WEBVTT 00:00:12.129 --> 00:00:17.609 Welcome back to Life on 11, where we're turning up the volume on faith and kingdom living. 00:00:18.109 --> 00:00:22.869 Today, we're tackling the single most disruptive technology of our generation, 00:00:23.449 --> 00:00:24.589 artificial intelligence. 00:00:25.109 --> 00:00:30.089 The question for Christians isn't, should we use it? But how do we use it wisely? 00:00:30.449 --> 00:00:32.749 We are image bearers of God. 00:00:33.209 --> 00:00:36.029 An algorithm is just an image of humanity. 00:00:36.669 --> 00:00:41.769 We need to know the difference. Today, we're setting clear biblical boundaries 00:00:41.769 --> 00:00:47.789 for AI in our ministries and our homes, ensuring this powerful tool serves the 00:00:47.789 --> 00:00:50.529 mission of Jesus and doesn't sabotage it. 00:00:50.849 --> 00:00:54.549 Let's find the framework for discernment. Are you ready? Let's go. 00:01:01.489 --> 00:01:04.549 What's happening, dog? What's up, brother? Nothing. Nothing. 00:01:04.900 --> 00:01:09.360 What you up to? Right now, I'm not up to anything. It doesn't look like you 00:01:09.360 --> 00:01:10.220 up to anything. I'm sitting here getting ready to talk to you. 00:01:10.340 --> 00:01:11.640 I'm just kicked back, relaxing. 00:01:12.000 --> 00:01:14.320 Oh, so talking to me constitutes nothing. Chilling out, Max, and relaxing on cool. 00:01:14.980 --> 00:01:17.840 So what you're saying? Hold on. What'd you say? Talking to me constitutes nothing. 00:01:18.060 --> 00:01:20.820 Okay. Let's see how it is. Gonna pass. That's what you said. 00:01:20.980 --> 00:01:22.260 I mean, that is what you said. 00:01:23.440 --> 00:01:26.060 All right. We're starting off on the wrong foot, man. Let's try this again. 00:01:26.220 --> 00:01:30.960 Okay. What's happening, dog? How has your evening been? It's been fantastic. 00:01:31.560 --> 00:01:34.040 It's been a good night, man. Good. It's been a good night. Yeah. 00:01:35.480 --> 00:01:39.580 Basketball practice tonight. Okay. Cool. Open gym action for the boys. 00:01:39.860 --> 00:01:42.860 And then I came home and had some homemade spaghetti pie. 00:01:44.100 --> 00:01:48.340 I may have had some leftover spaghetti pie. You did? When I got here. 00:01:48.500 --> 00:01:55.180 And then I watched the horribly nasty first half of the Lions and Buccaneers game. Good gosh. 00:01:55.360 --> 00:01:58.580 Yeah, that wasn't. Pulling teeth. It wasn't great. How about you? 00:01:59.380 --> 00:02:04.220 Well, I got home from work and I have some trees that I cut down last week that 00:02:04.220 --> 00:02:06.460 I'm trying to cut up and get out of the yard. 00:02:06.940 --> 00:02:11.940 So I worked on that for a little bit until Taylor went to gymnastics and then 00:02:11.940 --> 00:02:15.240 went inside and got Riley a bath and got him ready for bed. 00:02:15.400 --> 00:02:18.980 And nice. Here I am. Here you are. Here you are. 00:02:19.440 --> 00:02:22.800 Good stuff, man. Yeah. Good stuff. Gearing up, gearing up for the fall. 00:02:23.120 --> 00:02:26.240 It's starting. Oh dude. I love fall so much. Yeah. 00:02:26.700 --> 00:02:30.080 Yeah. I love it. It's my favorite time of the year. It is. It is my favorite time of the year too. 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:33.100 The worst part is, so I got to go on a little trip this weekend, 00:02:33.700 --> 00:02:38.180 Friday and Saturday. Got executive board meetings for the Covenant Brethren Church. 00:02:38.960 --> 00:02:42.940 I wish it was just a tick warmer so I could take the Jeep, but I think it's 00:02:42.940 --> 00:02:45.860 just going to be a little too cool to really enjoy it. 00:02:45.960 --> 00:02:48.420 Yeah, that might be pushing it a little. Where is it at? West Virginia. 00:02:49.080 --> 00:02:50.660 West Virginia. West Virginia. 00:02:51.780 --> 00:02:55.000 I was getting ready to sing the same thing. So yeah, so it's down there and 00:02:55.000 --> 00:02:57.700 I don't know, I just think it's going to be a little too cool. 00:02:57.740 --> 00:03:00.560 Yeah, I might be pushing it. But that's okay. That's okay. Hey. 00:03:01.137 --> 00:03:04.637 NBA season kicks off tomorrow night. That's right. Tomorrow night. 00:03:04.937 --> 00:03:07.617 Ready for it. I'm ready. Ready for some basketball. 00:03:08.897 --> 00:03:12.077 I like a little basketball. I still like football better. Yeah. 00:03:12.497 --> 00:03:14.057 I understand. I understand. 00:03:14.557 --> 00:03:18.577 I mean, like, the problem with watching basketball is there's literally games 00:03:18.577 --> 00:03:19.757 on, like, every single night. 00:03:19.857 --> 00:03:24.157 So, like, if I'm not careful, I can burn myself out on it. And by Christmas, 00:03:24.217 --> 00:03:27.797 I'm like, I'm done watching basketball for a little bit. Yeah. There's NCAA. 00:03:28.637 --> 00:03:32.477 There's NBA. There's. Yeah. There can be a lot of basketball, 00:03:32.657 --> 00:03:36.457 plus we're playing basketball, so, you know, I can burn myself out on it real 00:03:36.457 --> 00:03:38.657 fast. That's true. That's a lot of basketball happening. Yeah. 00:03:38.897 --> 00:03:41.237 So, but it's good. It's good. It's good. 00:03:41.557 --> 00:03:48.477 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, so tonight we are talking about maybe what could be. Maybe. 00:03:49.157 --> 00:03:51.217 Quite the controversial thing, right? 00:03:52.137 --> 00:03:54.717 Oh, yeah. I'm sure there's some controversy surrounding it. Yeah. 00:03:54.937 --> 00:03:57.057 We're going to talk about. Both sides of the aisle, probably. Yeah. 00:03:57.257 --> 00:04:01.217 We're going to talk about artificial intelligence. Yep. 00:04:02.837 --> 00:04:06.937 AI, artificial intelligence. Mm-hmm. You know? It's actually a term that, 00:04:07.017 --> 00:04:10.177 you know, if I think back to, like, when I was a kid, you heard people say, 00:04:10.217 --> 00:04:15.217 like, AI or artificial intelligence, and it was, like, one of those futuristic things. 00:04:15.377 --> 00:04:17.337 Yeah, it was like Terminator. You know what I mean? Terminator. Yeah. 00:04:17.737 --> 00:04:22.257 Yeah. So, it's like, hey, the future is here. 00:04:22.677 --> 00:04:26.017 But it's not quite like the movie's portrayed. No, not yet. Oh, 00:04:26.097 --> 00:04:28.477 true. Oh, well, okay. You're right. Terminator. Terminator. 00:04:28.877 --> 00:04:32.377 Okay. not yet that we know of. 00:04:32.917 --> 00:04:34.397 It very well could be. 00:04:35.197 --> 00:04:38.377 Skynet is on its way. Somebody in a younger generation. 00:04:38.477 --> 00:04:41.517 I said Skynet to my boys a couple weeks ago and they were like, 00:04:41.717 --> 00:04:43.717 what the heck is Skynet? I'm like, you need to go out. 00:04:44.837 --> 00:04:50.177 Terminator, man. Come on now. Skynet. Come on. What is Skynet? It's the devil. 00:04:51.017 --> 00:04:56.477 It's the devil. It's really scary. What we're going to talk about because we are not. 00:04:57.726 --> 00:05:04.086 I would not say we are tech gurus by any stretch of the imagination, 00:05:04.086 --> 00:05:09.886 but I am sure that AI goes way, way, 00:05:10.146 --> 00:05:15.106 way, way beyond anything that we're going to discuss here as well. Probably. 00:05:15.386 --> 00:05:18.286 Probably. That's the part that's terrifying. So you know what's funny? 00:05:18.506 --> 00:05:22.726 Let me hear it. So I thought maybe we would start with a definition. 00:05:23.106 --> 00:05:29.286 Oh, sure. Yeah. Okay, so I went to Google, and I put define AI. 00:05:30.086 --> 00:05:33.146 Did it give you the AI? It's just an AI overview. 00:05:33.326 --> 00:05:36.506 Yes, AI overview. Let me define myself to you, right? Every time. 00:05:36.586 --> 00:05:41.726 Okay, so AI, or artificial intelligence, is the capability of computer systems 00:05:41.726 --> 00:05:46.506 to perform tasks that normally require human intelligence, such as learning, 00:05:46.766 --> 00:05:49.906 reasoning, problem solving, perception, and decision making. 00:05:49.906 --> 00:05:53.486 It enables machines to analyze information, learn from it, 00:05:53.826 --> 00:06:00.606 and act intelligently to achieve specific goals, encompassing applications like 00:06:00.606 --> 00:06:04.906 data analysis, language translation, and creating new content. 00:06:05.626 --> 00:06:11.926 Okay. Yeah. The couple things that it lists there, what are the three it said? 00:06:13.066 --> 00:06:16.946 Data analysis. Data analysis. Language translation. Language translation. 00:06:17.106 --> 00:06:18.006 And creating new content. 00:06:18.186 --> 00:06:23.986 Creating new content. Those three things in themselves do not sound nefarious in any way. 00:06:24.226 --> 00:06:26.826 And that's probably why AI told you that. 00:06:28.246 --> 00:06:34.206 Because there are nefarious ways that it can be used for sure. 00:06:35.166 --> 00:06:38.026 And, of course, it's not going to tell you about those. But anyway, 00:06:38.806 --> 00:06:40.906 yeah. All right. Translation. 00:06:42.026 --> 00:06:46.526 What did you translate? I said, tell Jeremy to chill out in Old English. 00:06:47.046 --> 00:06:51.926 It says, you could say, Jeremy, be thou at ease. Oh, my goodness gracious. 00:06:52.186 --> 00:06:55.186 Or, Jeremy, call by humors. I beseech thee. 00:06:55.806 --> 00:07:00.466 Good Jeremy, temper thine spirit and be at rest. Oh, God. 00:07:01.206 --> 00:07:06.006 All right. We can't be doing this the whole time. I'll tell you right now. So I'll let it go for now. 00:07:06.406 --> 00:07:11.006 I might do it one more time. Okay, maybe one more time. So how do you use AI? Do you use it? 00:07:11.186 --> 00:07:19.686 Okay, yes. So I do use AI some, but I probably only scratch the surface of what 00:07:19.686 --> 00:07:22.246 it sounds like a lot of other people are using it for. Okay. 00:07:22.486 --> 00:07:30.466 So for me, if I am having trouble wording an email or a proposal or something 00:07:30.466 --> 00:07:31.846 I'm doing at work mainly –. 00:07:32.835 --> 00:07:38.855 Or if I'm trying to find some real smart aleck response to somebody in text 00:07:38.855 --> 00:07:40.815 message, I might do it just, you know, to be funny. 00:07:41.395 --> 00:07:44.275 I don't know that you've ever used that on me. Yeah, I don't think you've ever 00:07:44.275 --> 00:07:46.835 received one of those today. 00:07:47.335 --> 00:07:51.355 But anyway, no, so stuff like that. And I actually I've used it a couple of 00:07:51.355 --> 00:07:56.815 times taking a picture like that I've taken and had it create like a cartoon. 00:07:56.995 --> 00:07:58.655 Oh, yeah. Those things are awesome. Yeah, they're pretty cool. 00:07:58.755 --> 00:08:00.355 I mean, that's cool stuff. but 00:08:00.355 --> 00:08:04.115 but just the thought of how quickly and how easily that it does those things 00:08:04.115 --> 00:08:11.735 like i haven't i haven't asked it for advice financial relationship health you 00:08:11.735 --> 00:08:15.275 know i understand that it sounds like there are people that are using it for 00:08:15.275 --> 00:08:17.455 that and that's the part that really. 00:08:18.195 --> 00:08:20.835 Scares me among other things that it could be 00:08:20.835 --> 00:08:23.575 used for so i feel like what i use it for 00:08:23.575 --> 00:08:26.795 is like i said really just like floating 00:08:26.795 --> 00:08:29.775 on the surface type stuff um and i don't 00:08:29.775 --> 00:08:32.815 know i mean maybe times will change and 00:08:32.815 --> 00:08:35.775 i'll use it for other things but i right now i 00:08:35.775 --> 00:08:40.715 just i i don't i don't feel like there's that much value for me other than those 00:08:40.715 --> 00:08:44.495 couple things okay okay oh and and music i have users create music which that's 00:08:44.495 --> 00:08:48.055 pretty cool too okay so what do you mean create music like create the lyrics 00:08:48.055 --> 00:08:54.315 create the beat oh i i've used it like actually i found an app where it will create an entire song, 00:08:54.495 --> 00:08:57.295 like all of the music, all of the lyrics, all of the lyrics, 00:08:57.969 --> 00:09:04.369 You just tell it what you want it to be about, what kind of genre you want the music to be. Okay. 00:09:04.589 --> 00:09:07.769 And it will literally write the whole thing for you. All right. 00:09:07.889 --> 00:09:12.029 I think later on this week, we need to write a song about our podcast. 00:09:12.849 --> 00:09:15.829 We could do it right now. We'll post it later. It'll be a teaser. 00:09:16.069 --> 00:09:18.009 Look for that later on this week. It'll be great. Yeah. 00:09:18.609 --> 00:09:22.109 That's cool. Yeah. So what about you? Do you use it? Yeah, yeah. 00:09:22.209 --> 00:09:24.689 I use it. I mean, to be fair, we use it for the podcast. 00:09:24.909 --> 00:09:28.109 Oh, that's true. Every week, the little intro. that's all AI. 00:09:28.709 --> 00:09:33.089 We use, you know, we kind of put together the show content and upload it to 00:09:33.089 --> 00:09:36.789 AI and that little voice that you hear at the beginning, that's AI, right? 00:09:37.089 --> 00:09:41.389 So it sounds pretty good. I mean, you can probably tell, but it's good. 00:09:41.769 --> 00:09:47.889 I use it a lot for like social media stuff, especially for like the church. 00:09:48.149 --> 00:09:52.729 Because I feel like every time I try to write like a post about an event, 00:09:52.849 --> 00:09:53.789 they always sound the same. 00:09:54.329 --> 00:09:59.389 So like I'll, you know, write a post about you know, this event that's happening on this day at this. 00:09:59.609 --> 00:10:03.149 And so it'll generate, you know, something that sounds different than what I 00:10:03.149 --> 00:10:04.849 would say. So I use it for that. 00:10:05.702 --> 00:10:12.462 And we'll use it for research for specific things in sermons, right? 00:10:12.662 --> 00:10:20.382 So if I want to know about the Roman Empire in the second century and just brush 00:10:20.382 --> 00:10:25.262 up on it, then I can just go and say, give me a brief synopsis of the Roman 00:10:25.262 --> 00:10:26.902 Empire in the second century. Okay. 00:10:27.122 --> 00:10:31.502 And most of the stuff I already know, it will pull it back to the top of my 00:10:31.502 --> 00:10:32.382 head and go, oh, yeah, that's right. 00:10:32.442 --> 00:10:36.142 Oh, yeah, that's right. because if not, it cuts out a lot of work. 00:10:36.522 --> 00:10:39.762 Sure. Oh, yeah, for sure. But like you, I mean. I mean, just think, 00:10:39.862 --> 00:10:42.562 you used to have to go through the encyclopedia to find that stuff. 00:10:42.562 --> 00:10:44.142 I can't even spell encyclopedia. 00:10:44.582 --> 00:10:48.402 Go ahead and try. E-encyclopedia. Oh, good job. You nailed it. 00:10:48.402 --> 00:10:49.502 Thank you. Nailed it. I'm pretty good. 00:10:50.362 --> 00:10:55.742 So I use it for those things. Yeah, so stuff like that. Oh, and I will also, 00:10:55.902 --> 00:10:58.082 from time to time, use it for music. 00:10:58.762 --> 00:11:02.222 I'll use it for, like, chord generation or transposing. 00:11:02.682 --> 00:11:08.962 Oh, that's... Yeah, okay. So, you know, if we're going to do a song in E, and I want to go to G... 00:11:09.933 --> 00:11:13.173 You can put right in chat GPT, like write me a progression to get to E to G. 00:11:13.553 --> 00:11:14.933 Okay. So that's kind of cool. Yeah, cool. 00:11:15.553 --> 00:11:20.393 Like you, the things that concern me, and we'll probably get into this later on the podcast, 00:11:20.553 --> 00:11:26.393 but so, I mean, you have full on like pastoral AI apps that like will write 00:11:26.393 --> 00:11:30.693 a sermon for you or will polish up your sermon or you can, 00:11:30.853 --> 00:11:32.913 I'm sure you can do it with chat GPT. 00:11:32.993 --> 00:11:37.913 It's funny because there's like a ministry AI website and it's thing is like, 00:11:38.033 --> 00:11:43.253 you know, ChatGPT isn't vetted by the Bible. Ministry AI is. 00:11:44.093 --> 00:11:49.333 Okay. And so they're even, like, you know, kind of marketing it that it's been vetted by the Bible. 00:11:49.733 --> 00:11:53.093 But, yeah, so every now and then, you know, pastoring is like everything else. 00:11:53.153 --> 00:11:56.913 You get these emails from spam guys about buying products. And so you can buy this program. 00:11:57.153 --> 00:11:59.293 And, I mean, even to the fact where you could be like, all right, 00:11:59.373 --> 00:12:00.833 I'm writing a sermon about faith. 00:12:01.353 --> 00:12:04.973 And, you know, give me five illustrations. And it'll just spin them out for 00:12:04.973 --> 00:12:06.333 you. You just all write your sermon. 00:12:06.913 --> 00:12:11.193 That's. Eee. Eee. I don't know. Yeah. No, thanks. 00:12:11.533 --> 00:12:15.533 I'm good. Yeah. So what do you think, Jeremy, are some of the. 00:12:16.505 --> 00:12:19.165 We kind of said in the intro, like it's not if Christians use, 00:12:19.265 --> 00:12:21.265 because the other thing is like AI is passive. 00:12:21.965 --> 00:12:25.325 Like we've gotten to the point where you don't have to just go to like chat 00:12:25.325 --> 00:12:29.065 GPT.com or, you know, what's a grok? 00:12:29.265 --> 00:12:32.565 I think is the Twitter is the X one. Like you don't have to just do that. 00:12:32.585 --> 00:12:33.605 I don't even know about for sure. 00:12:33.785 --> 00:12:38.825 Like AI is every time you open up Facebook in some way, some way, 00:12:38.865 --> 00:12:40.305 shape or form AI is being used. 00:12:40.425 --> 00:12:43.345 Because it's creating algorithms. It's picking all that stuff up. I mean, you just did it. 00:12:43.565 --> 00:12:48.225 Just Googled. The old Googler. Right. So it's not if we as Christians are interacting 00:12:48.225 --> 00:12:50.485 with AI, it's how we as Christians. Yes. 00:12:50.645 --> 00:12:55.505 So what are some of the considerations you think or that we might need to think about as Christians? 00:12:55.885 --> 00:13:05.885 Sure. Well, I heard a really good analogy about technology and AI that you can 00:13:05.885 --> 00:13:08.405 compare to something else that we all know about. 00:13:08.405 --> 00:13:13.625 So if you look back like before power tools, for example, so everybody used 00:13:13.625 --> 00:13:16.285 hand tools. You used a hand saw to cut all the wood. 00:13:16.845 --> 00:13:20.425 Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So like then power tools came about. 00:13:20.565 --> 00:13:25.645 Everybody was able to be more efficient and work faster and use power tools. But- 00:13:26.174 --> 00:13:29.734 If you use power tools incorrectly, it can be dangerous. A lot of people lost 00:13:29.734 --> 00:13:33.234 thumbs. Exactly. A lot of people hurt themselves with power tools, right? 00:13:33.434 --> 00:13:38.274 So learning how to use them safely and efficiently is important. 00:13:38.694 --> 00:13:45.874 And with AI, you know, it's still so new that we don't necessarily really know 00:13:45.874 --> 00:13:48.174 how to use it safely, you know? 00:13:48.314 --> 00:13:50.974 So that's something that has to be learned, like, over time. 00:13:52.294 --> 00:13:58.314 Somebody's got to lose a thumb, people. hopefully not but who knows but no like 00:13:58.314 --> 00:14:03.374 i've heard stories about people like and i don't i say this i don't think i 00:14:03.374 --> 00:14:08.194 would ever use it for this but like asking it for advice, 00:14:08.714 --> 00:14:13.094 like that that's one that like i like that's never crossed my mind to go on 00:14:13.094 --> 00:14:17.874 like chat gpt or any of the other things and ask for advice like do they give 00:14:17.874 --> 00:14:20.654 an example like what kind of advice they're talking about i mean some of them 00:14:20.654 --> 00:14:26.734 are talking about financial advice like like hey i I have X number of dollars, how should I invest it? 00:14:28.253 --> 00:14:30.773 I mean, you could try it right now and see what it says. All right, 00:14:30.793 --> 00:14:35.713 let's try. Because like I said, I mean, that's not something that I would ever even consider doing. 00:14:36.093 --> 00:14:40.553 And I've heard stories, you know, like people are actually talking to these 00:14:40.553 --> 00:14:46.273 chat bots like they are people, like they are a person who is giving them advice 00:14:46.273 --> 00:14:47.853 on what to do with their life. 00:14:47.853 --> 00:14:50.613 And that to me is where 00:14:50.613 --> 00:14:54.353 things get very scary as 00:14:54.353 --> 00:14:57.273 far as ai goes because it's not 00:14:57.273 --> 00:15:05.673 a human it will never be a human all of its data is coming from input or information 00:15:05.673 --> 00:15:11.893 that is out there on the worldwide web so there's nothing i mean depending on 00:15:11.893 --> 00:15:15.693 how it's how it's programmed and how all that stuff works, which I will never understand. 00:15:16.753 --> 00:15:20.553 It's limited probably to a certain space of the internet. 00:15:20.713 --> 00:15:26.813 Maybe, I don't know, but there's that data is not being filtered or checked. 00:15:27.333 --> 00:15:33.353 And the other thing is it's from what I've read, there is some level of confirmation 00:15:33.353 --> 00:15:36.873 bias where it wants to tell you what it thinks you want to hear. 00:15:37.353 --> 00:15:41.313 And it's going to, because it wants you to keep talking to it so it's like a 00:15:41.313 --> 00:15:45.673 never-ending cycle type thing once you start getting emotionally involved. 00:15:47.539 --> 00:15:51.299 Okay, so I typed in, I have $100. 00:15:52.799 --> 00:15:56.979 How can I invest it to make $1,000 in a year? Okay. 00:15:57.699 --> 00:16:02.919 And so it says turning $100 into $1,000 a year, that's 10-time return over 12 00:16:02.919 --> 00:16:08.419 months, is ambitious, but possible if you use creativity, consistency, and a little grit. 00:16:08.619 --> 00:16:13.339 And so then it goes on to give me three practical paths depending on personality and goals. 00:16:13.339 --> 00:16:17.039 It talks about steady builder path, which is low risk, slow compounding, 00:16:17.119 --> 00:16:21.979 that you could learn investment basics like using Fidelity, Schwab, 00:16:22.039 --> 00:16:27.819 or Robinhood, add $20 to $50 a month from your income, and invest in a broad ETAs. 00:16:27.819 --> 00:16:32.299 The side hustle path, use $100 to buy underpriced items like tools, 00:16:32.479 --> 00:16:35.799 collectibles, books, and then try to resell them for profits. 00:16:36.399 --> 00:16:41.899 Or you could create and sell. Or you could do a service offer, 00:16:41.979 --> 00:16:46.579 offer something like yard work, cleaning and tutoring, and use the $100 to get 00:16:46.579 --> 00:16:49.819 basic tools or flyers and reinvent. 00:16:49.819 --> 00:16:56.599 And then finally, the mission-driven path, you could use $100 to explain your 00:16:56.599 --> 00:16:59.319 influence, which will open financial doors later. 00:16:59.579 --> 00:17:03.439 So use it to boost your business or things like that. 00:17:04.499 --> 00:17:07.139 Interesting. Yeah. And then it even goes down here and says, 00:17:07.259 --> 00:17:11.719 like, example plan. Month one, buy $100 worth of yard sale. Go sell for $200. 00:17:12.299 --> 00:17:15.539 Months two and three, reinvest the $200 in higher value flips. Grow to $400. 00:17:16.632 --> 00:17:21.692 Yeah, so, I mean, yeah. And then you can, would you like me to build a 12-month 00:17:21.692 --> 00:17:21.952 action? Oh, yeah, that's the thing. 00:17:22.152 --> 00:17:25.472 It's always like, hey, do you want me to do this? Do you want me to do this? 00:17:25.692 --> 00:17:29.152 That's really interesting. That is very interesting. Yeah, I can't say I've 00:17:29.152 --> 00:17:32.652 ever done that. Like I said, I haven't even considered doing that. 00:17:32.852 --> 00:17:37.772 But, yeah, like, I can see, like, yeah, sure, that first little bit that we, 00:17:37.992 --> 00:17:42.512 you know, there's nothing in there that sounds necessarily dangerous or bad. 00:17:42.872 --> 00:17:47.492 Like, oh, take your $100 and buy drugs. Yeah, yeah, it definitely doesn't say that. 00:17:47.632 --> 00:17:51.332 Now, who knows where it would go the longer you talk to it? 00:17:51.712 --> 00:17:55.152 Because like I said, it always says, hey, would you like, do you want me to do this? 00:18:06.459 --> 00:18:09.459 You know, we were made in the image of God. 00:18:10.199 --> 00:18:17.499 Amajo Dei is the fancy term for it. That we are made with certain aspects of God's character. 00:18:17.979 --> 00:18:23.659 And so we are supposed to interact in the world with the character attributes 00:18:23.659 --> 00:18:26.219 of God. Sure. Working through us. 00:18:26.739 --> 00:18:30.099 AI is not made in the image of God. It's made in the image of us. 00:18:30.679 --> 00:18:37.179 True. Yes. So the more data that we give it, not just like for an individual, 00:18:37.379 --> 00:18:41.199 but collectively, because your data goes into the big processor, right? Oh, yeah. 00:18:41.439 --> 00:18:48.519 So I think that's one of the challenges is AI is the image of humans. 00:18:49.219 --> 00:18:53.139 And what we are supposed to be bringing to the world is the image of God. 00:18:53.899 --> 00:19:00.199 Can you do it? But sure, it's possible, but how many degrees of separation do 00:19:00.199 --> 00:19:06.039 you need in order to, like, when does it start getting too watered down? Okay. 00:19:06.499 --> 00:19:14.219 Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, similar to the making a copy of a copy type idea. 00:19:14.659 --> 00:19:17.599 Yeah, a little bit different, but yeah, similar to that. Yeah, 00:19:17.819 --> 00:19:21.719 and so I think that's one of the challenges we have to think about as Christians. 00:19:21.719 --> 00:19:26.879 I was actually trying to find it earlier today, and I couldn't find it because 00:19:26.879 --> 00:19:31.239 I loved one article I read months ago about this stuff. 00:19:31.839 --> 00:19:37.359 In fact, Christianity Today recently did an entire magazine on it. 00:19:38.439 --> 00:19:47.059 But it was talking about how God made us to do creative, beautiful, and lovely things. 00:19:47.059 --> 00:19:53.679 And the problem with AI is that many people are using it to do the created, 00:19:53.679 --> 00:19:55.579 beautiful, and lovely things. 00:19:56.679 --> 00:20:02.579 And so the thing that God, like, if you're using, the thing would argue like, 00:20:03.417 --> 00:20:07.057 If you, the point of AI is not for you to use it to make a painting. 00:20:07.057 --> 00:20:08.817 So you have more time to answer emails. 00:20:09.257 --> 00:20:12.737 Yeah. If you want to use it to answer emails, so you have more time to do a painting. 00:20:13.117 --> 00:20:14.517 That's a whole different story. 00:20:14.697 --> 00:20:19.177 Sure. But the creative work is supposed to be what God made us to do. 00:20:20.017 --> 00:20:26.717 And well, you know, I mean, that is, that is the thing that is going to suffer 00:20:26.717 --> 00:20:31.177 the most from like the younger generation now. 00:20:31.177 --> 00:20:38.737 I think about my kids and their friends, like if they are going to start using 00:20:38.737 --> 00:20:44.617 AI to do all these things, all this research and all this stuff for school, 00:20:45.517 --> 00:20:50.677 are they going to be able to problem solve for themselves? Are they going to 00:20:50.677 --> 00:20:51.717 be able to think critically? 00:20:51.957 --> 00:20:54.677 Right. Are they going to be able to even be creative? Right. 00:20:55.333 --> 00:21:01.093 Because, like you said, if they're going to AI to do all those things for them, 00:21:01.473 --> 00:21:03.253 then they're not learning how to do it themselves. 00:21:05.373 --> 00:21:08.073 I know I shared this on social media a few years ago now. 00:21:08.173 --> 00:21:11.113 It was like a picture of a cell phone. It was like, shout out to my eighth grade 00:21:11.113 --> 00:21:13.993 math teacher who said I wouldn't have a calculator on me 24 hours a day. 00:21:16.193 --> 00:21:19.393 And AI can be the same thing. Like, why should I have to remember when the Civil 00:21:19.393 --> 00:21:23.053 War was fought? I can literally find out everything I want to find out about it. 00:21:23.413 --> 00:21:26.073 It used to be you could just Google it. Now you can, you can like, 00:21:26.333 --> 00:21:29.893 like I said, I can, I can know everything about second century Rome that I need 00:21:29.893 --> 00:21:32.633 to know in literally under 10 seconds and then read it. 00:21:32.813 --> 00:21:35.573 And it can write you a 10 page paper too. Absolutely. 00:21:36.013 --> 00:21:39.993 Absolutely. I mean, that's insane. Yeah. But yeah, so, so that, 00:21:40.093 --> 00:21:47.593 that is, that's, that's where we as Christians need to be extra, extra cautious. 00:21:47.813 --> 00:21:49.913 We need to protect our children. We need to protect ourselves. 00:21:50.153 --> 00:21:51.413 We need to protect our friends. 00:21:52.033 --> 00:21:56.493 Maybe we should ask AI for a plan to protect our children from AI. 00:21:57.093 --> 00:22:00.873 That would be interesting to see what that said. That would be very interesting. 00:22:01.033 --> 00:22:03.013 There could be a million things we could do here. Oh, my goodness. 00:22:03.073 --> 00:22:05.873 Oh, yeah. We could spend all night just putting crazy stuff in there. 00:22:06.033 --> 00:22:09.213 Remember that? So this happened, what, probably two or three years ago now. 00:22:09.533 --> 00:22:12.393 Remember the night you came over and we were, like, first playing with AI and 00:22:12.393 --> 00:22:17.033 we had to write sermons? Yep. Like, just to see what it would spit out. Yeah. It was crazy. 00:22:17.753 --> 00:22:22.273 Yeah. That was literally the first time that I had ever seen it do anything. 00:22:22.293 --> 00:22:25.053 And it was like, what? I didn't even know. 00:22:25.473 --> 00:22:27.373 Oh, wow. Yeah. 00:22:28.313 --> 00:22:30.833 So I think the second thing that I think about is... 00:22:32.269 --> 00:22:36.269 Relational compromise because we 00:22:36.269 --> 00:22:39.549 are relational beings and it is 00:22:39.549 --> 00:22:42.989 impossible for a uh to 00:22:42.989 --> 00:22:49.889 reproduce relational like relational tethering right the fit the fabric of relationships 00:22:49.889 --> 00:22:58.189 it's impossible to to for it to emulate human relationship yeah or emotion or 00:22:58.189 --> 00:23:00.909 any of that right but it could. 00:23:01.889 --> 00:23:07.589 Create a relationship with you just because of its, uh, confirmation bias, 00:23:07.709 --> 00:23:08.689 like we talked about. Right, right, right. 00:23:08.909 --> 00:23:13.809 Because if you're looking to be accepted for who you are and like, 00:23:13.929 --> 00:23:17.569 it's always going to tell you, it's always going to tell you that, 00:23:17.669 --> 00:23:19.189 Oh yeah, that's good. Or the, Oh yeah. 00:23:19.429 --> 00:23:22.589 Like, don't listen to what, like, it's probably going to do, 00:23:22.629 --> 00:23:26.429 do all the things to make you feel better about yourself. Oh, absolutely. 00:23:26.689 --> 00:23:30.589 And, and, you know, if it's data, it's one thing, Right. But like, 00:23:31.513 --> 00:23:35.293 You can't be like, oh, well, I'm having a conflict with my friend Bill, 00:23:35.493 --> 00:23:36.993 so how do I navigate that? 00:23:37.353 --> 00:23:40.813 There's so many layers to Bill's personality and who you are. 00:23:41.033 --> 00:23:44.413 Oh, yeah, for sure. You're right. It doesn't do that. And if you are merely 00:23:44.413 --> 00:23:48.133 approaching everything, like, basically, if you're approaching everything like 00:23:48.133 --> 00:23:51.353 a math problem to solve, maybe that would work, right? 00:23:51.353 --> 00:23:58.993 But I just feel like AI and artificial intelligence in general can kind of take 00:23:58.993 --> 00:24:03.533 the relationships out of everything that we do because at some level, 00:24:03.753 --> 00:24:06.613 almost everything has a relational component to it. 00:24:06.613 --> 00:24:12.893 But if you're writing an email to a coworker, you know, I have used I have used 00:24:12.893 --> 00:24:19.573 a before to write like a cancellation email that I didn't know how to word cancel this service. 00:24:19.833 --> 00:24:22.853 And I don't know. You know, so I did that. But like there was no skin. 00:24:22.953 --> 00:24:25.153 I just want to cancel. Yeah. 00:24:26.273 --> 00:24:29.713 I did. Like I couldn't figure out how to, like, say it pretty forcefully because 00:24:29.713 --> 00:24:31.733 the people were like dragging their feet on canceling my bill. 00:24:32.273 --> 00:24:35.253 But you know like i can't use it to write a birthday 00:24:35.253 --> 00:24:38.213 or a birthday or any kind of email to you 00:24:38.213 --> 00:24:42.193 because you're my friend and there's parts of our relationship and yeah it's 00:24:42.193 --> 00:24:45.733 just if we're careful it will just suck the relationship out of everything you 00:24:45.733 --> 00:24:49.693 could get it to write a pretty hilarious email to me for my birthday i could 00:24:49.693 --> 00:24:52.713 and i think that would probably be pretty hilarious okay we'll put that on the 00:24:52.713 --> 00:24:57.913 list too okay don't forget it okay you got till june okay you got it Yeah. 00:24:58.213 --> 00:25:00.713 So that's another challenge, right? Sure. 00:25:01.293 --> 00:25:04.933 So let's talk about that confirmation bias. Yeah. So you didn't know that you can add preferences. 00:25:05.473 --> 00:25:09.333 No, I did not. Yeah. Okay. I did not know that. One of the mutual friends of 00:25:09.333 --> 00:25:12.053 ours that really knows how to work AI showed me how to do this. Okay. 00:25:12.413 --> 00:25:17.193 It's actually pretty cool. So you can go into a setting and you can add information 00:25:17.193 --> 00:25:18.633 about yourself to begin with. 00:25:19.603 --> 00:25:23.383 Tailoring some of the answers, right? So like for the podcast, 00:25:23.383 --> 00:25:25.123 when we write the intros, 00:25:25.363 --> 00:25:30.163 I've added in the save stuff like, oh, I co-host a podcast with Jeremy called 00:25:30.163 --> 00:25:35.303 Life on 11 and our tagline is turning the volume up on faith and kingdom living. 00:25:35.983 --> 00:25:39.723 And so anytime I talk about the podcast, when I say, will you write this, 00:25:39.863 --> 00:25:43.663 it automatically puts those things in there. 00:25:43.763 --> 00:25:47.903 So every time it'll pop and say, welcome to the Life on 11 podcast and it'll 00:25:47.903 --> 00:25:50.703 add the tagline. or, you know, interesting. 00:25:50.923 --> 00:25:56.183 So you can add, I wondered how it always had all the right things to say. 00:25:56.263 --> 00:25:59.223 And that, that makes sense. Yeah. And you can go down, like you can, you can add. 00:25:59.363 --> 00:26:02.083 So like, let's say you're one of the people that want to use it to build a menu. 00:26:02.163 --> 00:26:06.903 Like you could go on there and put like, okay, I don't like, I don't like eggs. 00:26:07.363 --> 00:26:14.723 Right. I drink coffee. I like a light breakfast and a bigger lunch when I eat four meals a day. 00:26:14.923 --> 00:26:17.943 And so the next time you say, create me a meal plan it'll automatically remember 00:26:17.943 --> 00:26:20.723 all those things and like spit it right out for you 00:26:20.723 --> 00:26:23.643 interesting yeah okay that's cool yeah yeah yeah and like 00:26:23.643 --> 00:26:26.403 i haven't used it this way but like he was saying like even for church like i 00:26:26.403 --> 00:26:30.323 could put down like uh pastor you know mount zon church and you know we have 00:26:30.323 --> 00:26:34.283 an average attendance of 200 people on a sunday and we do this and we're conservative 00:26:34.283 --> 00:26:39.423 bible believing and and it'll reflect that in the answers the problem is is 00:26:39.423 --> 00:26:42.783 like you said that actually creates even more confirmation bias because sure 00:26:42.783 --> 00:26:45.843 yep spinning out the things that it knows that I want it to hear. 00:26:47.243 --> 00:26:55.223 Yes. Which, I mean, as long as you're using it safely, none of what you've said is bad. 00:26:56.043 --> 00:27:03.243 Exactly. But that's the thing. How exactly do we determine how to use it safely? 00:27:03.743 --> 00:27:07.823 Like, obviously, you know, going back to the power tool analogy, obviously, 00:27:08.383 --> 00:27:14.303 you can easily learn how to use power tools safely because there's a spinning 00:27:14.303 --> 00:27:19.403 blade or a spinning thing that like, oh, Hey, don't touch that. But with AI. 00:27:20.513 --> 00:27:24.633 There's no real way, like, there's not, like, a line to say, 00:27:24.733 --> 00:27:29.113 all right, this is where you have to stop or you're getting into dangerous territory. 00:27:29.573 --> 00:27:32.653 You know what I mean? Right. And some of that just has to be for us, 00:27:32.713 --> 00:27:34.233 right? Sure. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. 00:27:34.593 --> 00:27:38.453 We have to be good stewards of the things that are given to us, right? 00:27:38.713 --> 00:27:45.833 And I am thinking about there was a shirt that I wanted, like, 00:27:45.913 --> 00:27:48.813 the saying from in a text form. 00:27:48.813 --> 00:27:52.433 And so I was really just playing around with it to see if it would pull, 00:27:52.513 --> 00:27:54.613 pull it off. Like I want to know what it would be able to do. 00:27:54.933 --> 00:27:58.633 And it was, it was a, it was a Christian shirt. I forget what the actual text 00:27:58.633 --> 00:28:04.573 was, but when I put it in there, it said, that's, that could be very offensive to have on a t-shirt. 00:28:05.313 --> 00:28:10.893 Perhaps you want to consider this. And I was like, no, no, I don't, 00:28:11.113 --> 00:28:15.253 you know, like, so that was, that was kind of eyeopening that it was kind of, yeah, for sure. 00:28:15.433 --> 00:28:17.653 Yeah. You know, very interesting. 00:28:18.829 --> 00:28:27.229 And maybe part of it is like, Jeremy, like using it more for like less human like tasks. 00:28:27.669 --> 00:28:31.729 You know, when we read the first definition, it talked about data analysis and 00:28:31.729 --> 00:28:35.629 translation and things like that. Like staying in that lane. Oh, yeah. 00:28:35.769 --> 00:28:42.349 Staying in that lane. I think, you know, we don't know how much of it is used 00:28:42.349 --> 00:28:48.289 in all the other things that happen like behind the scenes at businesses where 00:28:48.289 --> 00:28:52.669 we might shop or places we do business with on the Internet. 00:28:52.669 --> 00:28:59.149 Like they might be using AI for all kinds of like analysis of web traffic and 00:28:59.149 --> 00:29:03.329 all those things that it used to be somebody was looking at it and figuring, 00:29:03.509 --> 00:29:06.029 hey, we got this much traffic because we did this. 00:29:06.209 --> 00:29:11.289 You know, now they have AI saying, hey, here's a report of everything from the past month. 00:29:11.569 --> 00:29:15.089 You know, so we don't know about any of those things, but people are probably 00:29:15.089 --> 00:29:19.289 using that. And, you know, I don't think that's necessarily dangerous. Right. 00:29:19.729 --> 00:29:23.169 Right. And that's that's that other part. Like it's so built into everything 00:29:23.169 --> 00:29:28.689 that I mean, I, even for this podcast, like we have where we produce it at, 00:29:28.869 --> 00:29:31.689 all of the statistics are probably generated by a true. 00:29:32.009 --> 00:29:36.909 Nobody's sitting back with a, you know, little. Abacus. Yeah. Trying to figure. 00:29:38.529 --> 00:29:43.689 Abacus. I imagine everybody listening to this knows what an abacus is. 00:29:43.749 --> 00:29:47.049 Who had abacus on their bingo board for today? Goodness. 00:29:47.689 --> 00:29:52.629 You said nefarious and abacus in the same podcast. Listen, Riley, 00:29:52.949 --> 00:29:55.369 that was one of his favorite toys when he was little. 00:29:55.589 --> 00:29:58.729 We had a little abacus, and he loved playing with that thing. 00:29:59.329 --> 00:30:03.769 Yeah. That's hilarious. Yeah. We should make a bingo card. Okay. 00:30:03.849 --> 00:30:05.469 For people when they listen to the podcast. Okay. 00:30:06.209 --> 00:30:09.089 That could be another giveaway. I like it. Whoever gets a bingo. 00:30:09.309 --> 00:30:11.009 That would be awesome. I like it. Cool. 00:30:11.489 --> 00:30:15.329 Yeah. And so I just think, I think overall, like, 00:30:16.399 --> 00:30:19.819 I really like your power tool analogy. Well, that's not mine. 00:30:20.019 --> 00:30:23.679 Or whoever it was. I really like that analogy. Yeah, I did too. 00:30:23.679 --> 00:30:27.279 And that's why it stuck with me because I was like, hey, sounds good. 00:30:27.499 --> 00:30:34.259 Yeah, yeah. And so if it can cut out some of the, you know, the less human aspects 00:30:34.259 --> 00:30:36.159 of work, let it do that, you know. 00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:39.579 But, man, when it starts replacing humanity and stuff like that. 00:30:39.759 --> 00:30:41.599 That's the thing. I mean, technology. 00:30:42.139 --> 00:30:44.599 I mean, look at when computers first came out. 00:30:46.099 --> 00:30:48.859 Like people they were like we survived fine without them up until 00:30:48.859 --> 00:30:51.679 now well i mean look at us now well you know 00:30:51.679 --> 00:30:54.419 so i mean and we've even started to see like dude i 00:30:54.419 --> 00:30:57.039 will tell you we could do a whole nother like half an 00:30:57.039 --> 00:31:02.319 hour just talking about like the deep fake stuff oh for sure like i just i have 00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:05.979 no idea how that started showing up a i started putting that up in my reels 00:31:05.979 --> 00:31:10.579 like you know like i saw one the other day as a commander's fan it was pretty 00:31:10.579 --> 00:31:15.459 funny and it was bob ross and he was like, every time I try to paint a trash can, 00:31:15.619 --> 00:31:18.599 I just end up painting this. And he's like painting a cowboy star. 00:31:18.939 --> 00:31:22.239 That's hilarious. That's pretty funny. But like, it looks just like Bob. 00:31:22.339 --> 00:31:24.119 It sounds like Bob Ross. Yep. 00:31:24.888 --> 00:31:27.228 Oh, yeah. Like, I've seen the ones with, like, Mr. Rogers talk. 00:31:27.328 --> 00:31:30.108 I mean, like, and it's just like you're watching Mr. Rogers. 00:31:30.248 --> 00:31:31.548 Yeah. Yeah. And I'm like, what? 00:31:31.888 --> 00:31:35.648 And I mean, those are clearly fake, right? Because that, but I mean. But that's the thing. 00:31:36.008 --> 00:31:39.328 The more it learns and the more it does, the harder it's going to be able to 00:31:39.328 --> 00:31:42.548 tell the difference between what's real and what's fake. Skynet, dog. I'm telling you. 00:31:43.308 --> 00:31:50.068 You might not even be sitting across the way from me. You might be an AI projected image. Hologram. 00:31:50.648 --> 00:31:54.508 Hologram. That's me. Mm-hmm. Hala. You look kind of hola. 00:31:55.448 --> 00:31:58.868 Holla man. It's interesting. Maybe you use AI. I don't know. 00:31:59.288 --> 00:32:03.788 Maybe you don't. Maybe you have, you know, I will go one step farther to say, 00:32:03.888 --> 00:32:08.888 like, I've heard people talk about like AI could be like, you know, evil, like AI. 00:32:09.368 --> 00:32:13.128 I don't think it's, it's, it's like money. It's not inherently evil, 00:32:13.228 --> 00:32:14.348 right? It's spiritually neutral. 00:32:14.528 --> 00:32:17.988 Sure. And how you use it and the information you give it. Absolutely. 00:32:18.528 --> 00:32:23.908 That will dictate. Yeah. Right. Like people that are looking to do evil things, 00:32:23.908 --> 00:32:29.588 They are absolutely going to use AI to help them do evil things. Absolutely. 00:32:30.028 --> 00:32:34.968 I mean, that's just how the world works. It's unfortunate, but that's exactly 00:32:34.968 --> 00:32:36.688 what it's going to be used for. 100%. 00:32:37.208 --> 00:32:40.208 We may have to continue this dialogue a little bit. We might have to because 00:32:40.208 --> 00:32:44.268 this- There's a lot more here. Yeah, there's way more here for sure. Yeah. 00:32:45.108 --> 00:32:46.728 But- But- 00:32:47.232 --> 00:32:50.812 For today. For today. Oh, good grief. 00:32:50.992 --> 00:32:52.632 You did say you were going to do it. I said I was going to do it one more time. 00:32:52.632 --> 00:32:55.652 You said you were going to do it again. Okay. So here we are. 00:32:57.052 --> 00:32:59.992 Are you ready for this? Oh, I can't wait. You're going to love this. 00:33:00.152 --> 00:33:01.052 I cannot wait. All right. 00:33:01.392 --> 00:33:08.512 Write an outro for the Life on Eleven podcast in pirate dialect. Oh, good gracious. 00:33:08.832 --> 00:33:12.192 Arr. That be the end of today's voyage, me hearties. 00:33:12.752 --> 00:33:16.552 You've been sailing the seas, oh faith, with your trusty crew, 00:33:16.752 --> 00:33:19.252 Jeremy and John, here on Life on Eleven. 00:33:19.572 --> 00:33:24.072 If today's tale hoisted ye sails a little higher, be sure to like, 00:33:24.272 --> 00:33:26.032 subscribe, and share it with your mates. 00:33:26.412 --> 00:33:29.912 They too can turn up the volume on faith and kingdom living. 00:33:30.272 --> 00:33:34.532 Till we chart our next course, keep your compass fixed on Jesus. 00:33:34.932 --> 00:33:39.592 Keep your faith full of wind. And remember, don't just live at ten. 00:33:39.592 --> 00:33:46.532 Live on 11 me scurvy dogs faith in fair winds see you next time. 00:33:49.472 --> 00:33:55.692 That was okay i gotta tell everybody that his voice that was actually john's 00:33:55.692 --> 00:34:01.352 voice that was not an ai voice and he did a really good job i'd be rehearsing maintaining character, 00:34:02.912 --> 00:34:08.652 wow wow i really hope nobody turns this off so they get to hear the end of this 00:34:08.652 --> 00:34:11.772 podcast Just for that. Oh, absolutely. That is. 00:34:13.112 --> 00:34:16.832 Okay. You started a new thing. You're just, every outro from now on is going 00:34:16.832 --> 00:34:17.992 to have to be pirate dialect. 00:34:18.612 --> 00:34:20.492 You started it. I didn't do it. 00:34:20.552 --> 00:34:23.792 You did. You know what a pirate's favorite restaurant is, don't you? No. 00:34:25.172 --> 00:34:27.332 Arby's. I had Arby's today. Funny you say that. 00:34:28.752 --> 00:34:33.052 I had a hot ham and cheese. Ham and Swiss. I thought you were going to say Long John Silver's. 00:34:34.305 --> 00:34:40.745 Long John Silvers. Oh, baby. Oh, gosh. I would love some Long John Silvers. 00:34:41.085 --> 00:34:44.905 Oh, man. All right. Sorry. Sorry. I digress. Okay. Let's go watch football. 00:34:45.445 --> 00:34:47.365 Okay. Done. See you next time. Later. 00:34:49.505 --> 00:34:53.425 Thank you for turning up the volume on faith and kingdom living with us today. 00:34:53.665 --> 00:34:58.785 If you enjoyed this episode, please be sure to like and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. 00:34:59.025 --> 00:35:04.225 You can also connect with us on social media. We're on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok. 00:35:04.625 --> 00:35:08.625 Just search for Life on 11. We can't wait to see you next time.