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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun, in

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<v Speaker 1>practical ways. Good Morning, good morning. We talked whole night

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<v Speaker 1>through good morning, good moaning to.

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<v Speaker 2>You and you and you nice dude. I have nothing

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<v Speaker 2>add to that. I'm this the silver Edition. I apologize,

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<v Speaker 2>I have nothing. I have nothing to add to that.

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<v Speaker 2>This is welcome to Kyle on the Bible Guys, the

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<v Speaker 2>silver Edition, not platinum, not bold.

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<v Speaker 1>But the last couple of weeks, I've done good Morning

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<v Speaker 1>on Tuesdays because normally I reserved for Wednesdays or Thursdays

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<v Speaker 1>late in the week. But by the way that I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how that became a thing. I think I

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<v Speaker 1>did it a long long time ago. I think I

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<v Speaker 1>had some people, like literally ad Heritage Church, which is

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<v Speaker 1>the shirt that I'm wearing, by the way, stays to

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<v Speaker 1>me in the lobby. Hey, that really cheered me up.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that. So there was one woman in particular

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<v Speaker 1>lessons every day and I said, well, I'll sing it

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<v Speaker 1>for you. That's just for you, right, And I did,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it sort of became a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So, oh man, someone's going to ask you this Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that now probably anyway, good morning. My name

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<v Speaker 1>is Chris. This is Kyle, and today we are the

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<v Speaker 1>Bible Guys Silver Edition. I want to say that I am.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. That's fine, dude, it's fine. It's silver Edition.

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<v Speaker 2>It's okay. I got on my gray hair growing out, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>that's true. Yeah, I get that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so. So anyway, Jeff is out of the country

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<v Speaker 1>and along with Dave Wilson and Tom Blount. Uh and

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<v Speaker 1>so anyway, they're doing great things, and so are we, Kyle.

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<v Speaker 2>We're great doing great things here holding on the four

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<v Speaker 2>that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>And today we are covering U famous sayings by Jesus

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<v Speaker 1>and it's really Jesus and the Outsiders, and that's the

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<v Speaker 1>theme of the week. And today's famous saying is come

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<v Speaker 1>down immediately, zach keus great names as zach Kus.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I gotta love that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it sounds like zucchini. I always think. Is really

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why that's funny, you know, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>how many how many words are have that sound?

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's it's strange. And I actually heard somebody recently

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<v Speaker 2>because this was the message actually that our herited church

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<v Speaker 2>kids can This is one of the messages, and the

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<v Speaker 2>person who gave the messager was like, man, this person

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<v Speaker 2>had a great The name was z A chias anybody

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<v Speaker 2>here knowing he's a chias Is And the kids were like,

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<v Speaker 2>hands shot up and they're like, you know, because if

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<v Speaker 2>you ask the kid, does anybody know? Everybody wants to

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<v Speaker 2>raise their hand right right right, And there's just funny.

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<v Speaker 2>All these kids hand shot up and you see and

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<v Speaker 2>bring their hand down, you know, is a kyus? No,

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<v Speaker 2>that's funny.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, So we're going to do a segment that Desiree

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<v Speaker 1>is placed in here for us called Phil in the Blank.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not a common segment. We've only done it

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<v Speaker 1>a few times. Listen, I'm gonna go on record. Oh boy,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go on record and say that this isn't

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff's thing. Okay, I've tried this with Jeff and this

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<v Speaker 1>just isn't his.

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<v Speaker 2>Are they like just sayings or no?

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<v Speaker 1>This okay, It says, let's see how Kyle does with

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<v Speaker 1>this segment. Boy, Chris will start a sentence and then

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<v Speaker 1>Kyle will have to complete it in unexpected ways.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, okay, okay, so you have to.

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<v Speaker 1>Use your imagination. Maybe maybe The problem is I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>give Jeff enough context. Okay, try to make it unexpected.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe fun if you can, right, but maybe just

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<v Speaker 1>something that's maybe a little bit outrageous.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Okay, let's give it a whirl.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's the beginning of the sentence. You're ready. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was on the golf course and the other day,

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<v Speaker 1>and you'll never believe what this one legged golfer did.

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<v Speaker 2>Comma, they putted the ball in with their big toe.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Okay, Hey, that's that's not about one

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<v Speaker 2>leged person, you know. I just I just imagine that

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<v Speaker 2>would be pretty impossible.

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<v Speaker 1>You're meaning his prosthetic big toe, right, yes, okay, okay. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a friend who's a prostal golf.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah about that.

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<v Speaker 1>He is a prosthetic limp was leg So I thought

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<v Speaker 1>of Kevin Balance. Yeah, I've heard a good friend as

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<v Speaker 1>a pastor in Florida.

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard he's a very good golfer too.

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<v Speaker 1>He's actually was one time, one time the number one

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<v Speaker 1>amputee golfer in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>And they would fly him everywhere. So I go for

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<v Speaker 1>them like just last look four weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I still got it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oah, he's crazy, he's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>That's frustrating. Here we are with our with our legs,

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<v Speaker 2>trying to.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's let's have another century.

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<v Speaker 2>Ready, I'll try.

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<v Speaker 1>I was walking down the steps of my house early

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning when suddenly.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, dude, on first thing out of.

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<v Speaker 1>Your mouth, it's the first thing in your mind. Go,

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<v Speaker 1>don't think about it. When suddenly, what.

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<v Speaker 2>Hurry, Come on, dude, this is so hard. Dude, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>trying to think of all your cats you got, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>trying to think of your life. I'm trying to think. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>when suddenly, when suddenly a cat yes, jumped on my leg, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and took me, tackled me down to the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, there you go. I don't know, there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>I see why Jeff doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't have to be be okay, why don't you try?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, how about read one because you probably read

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<v Speaker 2>the next one? Or are they done?

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's supposed to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you're making them up. Oh you're making them up.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh there's great, there's great. Now I got one for you,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, Okay, Okay, So I was driving down Hall Road, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle of Christmas season. Yes, And I looked

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<v Speaker 2>to my right and I see.

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<v Speaker 1>A man and a Halloween mask scaring everybody, with all

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<v Speaker 1>the children around him crying in the other cars.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, there we go. That's good. It's Halloween mask with

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<v Speaker 2>all the children. An that was good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, I I only said that because it's

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<v Speaker 1>the first thing that came to my mind. I saw

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<v Speaker 1>that on TikTok.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Oh really, there's a guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Wearing a Michael Myer's mask who literally would pull up

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<v Speaker 1>to people, roll down his window and then and then

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<v Speaker 1>get the film. The reaction and people would.

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<v Speaker 2>Scream, Oh really, that's son just so funny. You're like,

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<v Speaker 2>I could try that.

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<v Speaker 1>And so anyway, yeah, it's just the first thing that

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<v Speaker 1>comes to your mind.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so funny.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's unexpected.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah. And so yeah, well that's terrible. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>Well we may it may not be for me. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>you can bring platinum edition into it next time.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we'll try to see next time.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got a great imagination.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. Well, hey, Kyle, that was outrageous. It was wild,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know what else, was outrageous. The story of zach.

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<v Speaker 2>Tius dude, wildly outrageous, Yes, because actually it is outrageous. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>and unexpected. It is unexpected. What happens to is a

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<v Speaker 2>kias yes, when he falls out. Oh wait, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>know he fell out of traudvocate.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a spoiler spoiler alert falls out all right. Hey.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, there was a guy that I knew, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>who's a pastor in California. He preached this entire message

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<v Speaker 1>on a Sunday morning, the entire message, and he had

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<v Speaker 1>Nicodemus up in the sycamore tree. Oh my, and he

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<v Speaker 1>said Nicodemus the whole time. After he read the scripture,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, zachiis and then.

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<v Speaker 2>After that he just stuck on Nicodemus and.

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<v Speaker 1>He said Nicodemus. And not a single person in his

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<v Speaker 1>entire church raised their hand or shouted or came up

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<v Speaker 1>and whispered. They allowed the man to just say Nicodemus,

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<v Speaker 1>even though every person listening knew it was that cute.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like it's like if you have something hanging

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<v Speaker 1>out in your nose and nobody says anything yeah, or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, or like you know whatever it is right,

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<v Speaker 1>your zippers down, and nobody.

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<v Speaker 2>Tells this is the trigger for me because this just

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<v Speaker 2>happened six weeks ago to me. Really, yes, zipper down

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<v Speaker 2>and nobody told you yep on stage yep, So what happened? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it was six weeks ago. I hope Kristen's listening my

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<v Speaker 2>wife because I was a little friends. She was like,

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<v Speaker 2>what what do you want me to do? So we

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<v Speaker 2>I was wearing black pants. Luckily what I was wearing

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<v Speaker 2>underneath was not bright or louder. That was like gray,

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<v Speaker 2>so it kind of went a little bit. But apparently

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<v Speaker 2>my zipper had come down, and we're doing this element,

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<v Speaker 2>remember like the messages about like fear or something like that,

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<v Speaker 2>where we did like the what's in the box? Oh yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So she noticed when I put my hands around that

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, like my zipper was down.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>She mentions it to one person next to her. They

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<v Speaker 2>start giggling and laughing, and then somebody else on our

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<v Speaker 2>staff was texting saying, texting me saying, hey boss, your

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<v Speaker 2>zippers down, your zippers down, your zippers down. Nobody got

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<v Speaker 2>off like no, like this, let me sit there, and

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<v Speaker 2>then they got done. With the game. I did the

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<v Speaker 2>announcements with my zipper down. Oh and nobody goodness stopped

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<v Speaker 2>to say so.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, anybody listening in any church environment whatsoever,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're a church who has a stage hand, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>here's the right thing to do. Send the stage hand out,

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<v Speaker 1>yes to whisper something in Kyle's ear or the passer's

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<v Speaker 1>ear or the person's ear. And then, and by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>that's perfectly normal.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, normal. Yeah, I thought the same thing. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>just come tell me. She said, well, that would be

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<v Speaker 2>more weird. I'm like, it's more weird than sitting on

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<v Speaker 2>my zipper down. I don't know. So anyways, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So hey, I'm sure she really appreciated that you throwing

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<v Speaker 1>her into the yes in front of all of our listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me know next time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's so funny. Yes, all right, Well, hey, we

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<v Speaker 1>need to move on. So we are in Luke chapter

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<v Speaker 1>number nineteen yep, and today we're talking about the story

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<v Speaker 1>of Zechiez.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, So Luke nineteen Jesus entered Jericho and made

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<v Speaker 2>his way through the town. There was a man there

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<v Speaker 2>named Zachias. He was the chief tax collector in the region.

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<v Speaker 2>He had become very rich. He tried to get a

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<v Speaker 2>look at Jesus, but he was too short to see

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<v Speaker 2>over the crowd. There was a song about that, probably

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<v Speaker 2>So he ran ahead and climbed a sycamore fig tree

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<v Speaker 2>When Jesus came by, he looked up at Zechias and

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<v Speaker 2>Zakias quickly climbed down and took Jesus to his house

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<v Speaker 2>in great excitement and joy. But the people were displeased.

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<v Speaker 2>He has gone to be the guest of a notorious sinner,

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<v Speaker 2>they grumbled. Meanwhile, Ezekiah stood before the Lord and said,

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<v Speaker 2>save those who are lost. Love that verse, yeah, Luke,

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<v Speaker 2>of Man came to seek and save those who are lost.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, those who are those of us who

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<v Speaker 1>Realized how short I am, Kyle, until I see photos

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<v Speaker 1>of me next to people. So I'm five, like barely

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<v Speaker 2>and then you look like that's me, who's that guy? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? And we just take pictures all the time, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>of our staff and I'm like, are you kidding me?

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<v Speaker 1>from God. So I've made no secret about this before.

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<v Speaker 1>are the culture of christian some of the how about this?

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<v Speaker 1>The negative culture of Christian how about that? Right, So

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<v Speaker 1>either a Christian can be legalistic or a Christian could

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<v Speaker 1>be judging right. And by the way, even in the

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<v Speaker 1>healthiest of churches, that still happens, right And so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty great culture. But in the church our size, there's

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<v Speaker 1>understand you know, and all those different kinds of things. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>who ruin people's lives, Like, for instance, I'll give you

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<v Speaker 1>become a no. In fact, I wasn't even a Christian.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't even a Christian yet. And I was invited

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<v Speaker 1>to a car wash to do this great, big serving

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<v Speaker 1>I was not a Christian. I was only fifteen years old,

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<v Speaker 1>and here I'm trying to serve. And I run into

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<v Speaker 1>the bathroom to use the restroom. And there was a

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<v Speaker 1>And I was singing in Elvis Presley song, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was washing my hands because in the eighties that's

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<v Speaker 1>what people did they sung fifty songs now that we're

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<v Speaker 1>singing fifty songs and this man comes out of the

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<v Speaker 1>he says, that's the devil's music. And he started going

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<v Speaker 1>off and he says, if you have to tap your

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<v Speaker 1>toe before listening to the lyrics of any song, that's

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<v Speaker 1>from the devil. And he just started yelling at me

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<v Speaker 1>and condemning me and telling me that, you know, this

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<v Speaker 1>was no place for me, and all these kinds of thing. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I could have very easily been like, well, I'm never

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<v Speaker 1>coming back to this church or any church for that matter.

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<v Speaker 1>So do you catch the strength the weight of that, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you know? And it's like but instead, thank God that

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<v Speaker 1>I just said, oh, okay, well that guy is a goober,

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<v Speaker 1>because of him. One of our ladies on staff told

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<v Speaker 1>me one of the worst stories I've ever heard in

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<v Speaker 1>my life, in my whole life, where a guy in

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<v Speaker 1>back then in the seventies, and and the pastor looked

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<v Speaker 1>at him and said, young man, you're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, and I get so I had a

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<v Speaker 1>because he never because he never went over over a haircut, right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the negative hairbne. That's negative stuff I'm talking about, right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's terrible. And so anyway, all that to say this

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<v Speaker 1>But to see it says he's gone to the guest

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<v Speaker 1>of a notorious sinner. They grumble. So they were angry

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<v Speaker 1>because Jesus decided to forgive a notorious sinner. Well, zach

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<v Speaker 1>Kius was a tax collector right there. It was a man.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a chief tax collector in that reason, not

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<v Speaker 1>Tax collectors were people known in that culture to have

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<v Speaker 1>along with Herod and along with Pontius Pilot. They all

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<v Speaker 1>Roman government was over the Jewish people. So the Romans

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<v Speaker 1>So they betrayed their own people, worked for the Romans,

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<v Speaker 1>and then tax their own people unjustly. And so what

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<v Speaker 1>And what does Jesus say, he is truly a son

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, even even Jesus. You know, Matthew is another one,

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<v Speaker 2>if you know, you know scripture, Matthew was a tax

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<v Speaker 2>fold of the twelve, that was quite a you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a big thing. He wasn't the chief tax collector,

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<v Speaker 2>but he was hated. Matthew was hated among his own people.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think the thing that stands out for me is, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the whole tax collector thing, just to realize like how

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<v Speaker 1>Which is a huge deal.

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<v Speaker 2>And the thing I think that stands out for me

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, no, no, I'm just invite me over. He knew

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<v Speaker 2>those who are lost. But that's his mission that he

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<v Speaker 1>It's a cartoon? And he said, well, because the rule

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<v Speaker 1>exists because of this. This is the craziest rule I've

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<v Speaker 1>ever heard. He said, if you walk into a theater,

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<v Speaker 1>how do I know that you're going to go? You

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<v Speaker 1>can go be going to see The Little Mermaid, or

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<v Speaker 1>you can be going to see and he quoted like

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<v Speaker 1>a famous X rated film. Yea. He goes, and you

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<v Speaker 1>know it's a it's a title that we all have

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<v Speaker 1>heard of probably, and he goes, so you could be

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<v Speaker 1>seeing that film or this film. He goes, and so

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<v Speaker 1>how do we know? And I was like, I'm like really,

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<v Speaker 1>and he goes, so therefore no movie theaters?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow?

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<v Speaker 1>And I said and I said, okay, let me ask

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<v Speaker 1>a question. I go, where do you shop for your groceries?

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<v Speaker 1>And he says, why shop it? And he mentioned something like.

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<v Speaker 2>Kroger, like yeah, farmer jaz or well it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like, it's called Smitty's, but it's just like

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<v Speaker 1>a Kroger. I looked at him and I go, how

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<v Speaker 1>dare you? I literally said how dare you? And he goes,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you mean? And I go, you know they

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<v Speaker 1>have a liquor section in that when you walk into

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<v Speaker 1>that Smittis. I said, how do we know that you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to not go down that liquor aisle? How dare

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<v Speaker 1>you like this? And he looked at me and he goes,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not the same thing. And I said, that is

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<v Speaker 1>literally exactly the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It is.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, that is the craziest rule I've ever heard

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<v Speaker 1>in my entire life. I said, you can get so

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<v Speaker 1>crazy with rules.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And you can argue that with music that you

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<v Speaker 2>have in your car, or you can nowadays you can

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<v Speaker 2>argue like having a phone or going to a beach,

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<v Speaker 2>like what was your attention by going to beach? Like

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to go with my fifty There's so

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<v Speaker 2>many things, right.

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<v Speaker 1>So the point of that called conversation is that when

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus was in the home of a tax collector or

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<v Speaker 1>a sinner, right, or if he's drinking wine with somebody,

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<v Speaker 1>or he's saying listen, it's very clear Jesus never sinned.

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<v Speaker 1>So and Jesus was with them, and he was getting

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<v Speaker 1>called a drunkard, and he was getting accused of eating

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<v Speaker 1>with notorious sinners. Just know this. Jesus responded and said,

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<v Speaker 1>I have come for those who are unhealthy. I've not

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<v Speaker 1>come for the healthy. I've come for the sick. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to be affected. I'm not going to sin.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not going to affect me whatsoever. But I am

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<v Speaker 1>on mission, and I am in proximity with them. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>at a prostitute's house, I'm having conversations with lowly people.

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<v Speaker 1>I am I'm yes I'm around those who drink. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm around those who you know, betray their people and

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<v Speaker 1>they have bad reputations and everything else. But I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>being affected, right, I am being christ to them. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>bringing the message. And Jesus was on mission, but he

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<v Speaker 1>was around them. That's my point. And so for those

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<v Speaker 1>people who complain and say, how could you be around

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<v Speaker 1>to tour sinners, Well, as long as that person is unaffected,

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<v Speaker 1>as long as they are godly, as long as they're

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<v Speaker 1>on mission and they're there for a reason, right, then

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<v Speaker 1>you're on mission. Then then you know, then then let's

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<v Speaker 1>let's all realize that this is actually modeling what Jesus did.

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent. I actually manage a hockey team on

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<v Speaker 2>Tuesday nights in Rochester and I've been like the manager

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<v Speaker 2>of the team for like the last ten years. There's

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<v Speaker 2>like thirteen fourteen guys who play every year, and people

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<v Speaker 2>have asked me, you know, because I only have like

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<v Speaker 2>one night a week I can commit to this. I'd

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<v Speaker 2>like to play more, but that's what we have available.

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<v Speaker 2>People say, hey, why don't you turn that into like

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<v Speaker 2>a church league. Why don't you get like a church

491
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<v Speaker 2>you know, Christian Hockey League. I'll be honest, like I

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<v Speaker 2>have no I have no interest in that. Like we

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<v Speaker 2>have guys on the team who are Christians. I have

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<v Speaker 2>a friend who works at a local church. I have

495
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<v Speaker 2>other friends who are Christians, are even serve on our teams.

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<v Speaker 2>But I love the fact that like half our team

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't know geez. I love that. There was a situation

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<v Speaker 2>last year where a guy on our team who we

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<v Speaker 2>end up having a confrontation at the end of a

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<v Speaker 2>game because of something that happened on the ice. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I called them that next week and we had

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<v Speaker 2>a loving like conversation where I was able to share

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<v Speaker 2>like truth and grace with him about something that happen

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<v Speaker 2>where he got in a fight with that It was

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<v Speaker 2>a whole story, but anyways, I was able to be

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<v Speaker 2>a light to this guy on this team. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think that sometimes. I think when we where people a

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<v Speaker 2>especially new Christians, they tend to leave the old behind them,

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<v Speaker 2>the old people behind them. I think there's a season

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<v Speaker 2>of time. It's good if there's a temptation to want

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<v Speaker 2>to go back into the partying ways or at a

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<v Speaker 2>certain like, I think it's good.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you have to use your discernment, and again it's

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<v Speaker 1>that it's that whole. Are they affecting you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that was a great way of looking at it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do think that at the end of the

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<v Speaker 2>day though, like sometimes the mistake we make is to

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<v Speaker 2>think I have to leave all of those people. But

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of the day, people don't care how

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<v Speaker 2>much you know they They want to know how much

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<v Speaker 2>you care. And if you love those people and you

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<v Speaker 2>love them before, you could be the best influence for them.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, you know, the way I looked at it,

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<v Speaker 1>when I became a Christian, I actually did stop hanging

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<v Speaker 1>around eighty five percent of all my friends. I stopped

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<v Speaker 1>spending time with them, but I still tried to be

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<v Speaker 1>friends with them, and some of them walked away from

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<v Speaker 1>me because I stopped going to party and stopped drinking

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<v Speaker 1>and all those kinds of things. I stopped all that.

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<v Speaker 1>And and by the way, I was like in the

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<v Speaker 1>you know, ninth grade, like coming coming into the ninth grade.

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<v Speaker 1>But because my father, my grandfather owned a bar, there

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<v Speaker 1>was a point in time where I was supplying liquor

534
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<v Speaker 1>for all the underage parties. And and come to find out,

535
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<v Speaker 1>they just liked me because I was I was the

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<v Speaker 1>person who can get them liquor right, and so so

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<v Speaker 1>I stopped all of that, but I try to still

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<v Speaker 1>be a friend. And I think that I think that

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<v Speaker 1>there are times where we have to realize I need

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<v Speaker 1>to surround myself with good influences, and there are some

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<v Speaker 1>relationships I need to not spend time with at all,

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<v Speaker 1>but I can still maintain a loving relationship. And I did.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, I personally think that I even back then,

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<v Speaker 1>without having any knowledge, I found the fine balance of

545
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<v Speaker 1>ditching all the unhealthy relationships and trying my very best

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<v Speaker 1>to still be a light and an influence, trying to

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<v Speaker 1>maintain the friendships right, so you don't have to spend

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<v Speaker 1>time with them, but you can still have them as friends. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So that's good. Good, Hey, well that is our time.

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<v Speaker 1>And so what a great discussion and a great passage.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, so much more in there that

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't unpack, but it's still a good time. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>hit it again next time. So we'll see you then

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<v Speaker 1>on the Bible.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys,