WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.050 --> 00:00:02.510 Alison: And then we're, we became best friends. 00:00:02.600 --> 00:00:02.720 Uh, 00:00:02.795 --> 00:00:06.034 Matt: And then, and you're like, I love you, and Oh, I'm super comfortable now. 00:00:06.034 --> 00:00:06.694 Are You Yeah. 00:00:06.749 --> 00:00:10.619 Sarah: You could see my visual spatial working memory issues. 00:00:11.520 --> 00:00:13.650 Alison: I don't know what you're talking about yet cuz we haven't 00:00:13.710 --> 00:00:15.630 unfolded the assessment results. 00:00:15.665 --> 00:00:16.255 Matt: Oh yeah. 00:00:16.255 --> 00:00:16.695 All right. 00:00:17.085 --> 00:00:17.575 Okay. 00:00:17.580 --> 00:00:19.835 So first have to say, um, hi Alison. 00:00:20.061 --> 00:00:21.255 Alison: There it is. 00:00:21.491 --> 00:00:24.331 Hi, Matt, we can't, we can't start a podcast without those two 00:00:24.331 --> 00:00:26.521 words in exactly that inflection. 00:00:26.706 --> 00:00:27.396 Matt: Hi Alison. 00:00:27.546 --> 00:00:29.506 I'm very excited about today's podcast. 00:00:31.186 --> 00:00:38.242 Because, today marks the second guest that has ever been had on ADHd20, 00:00:38.522 --> 00:00:48.102 which is a podcast that tries to find the correlation of ADHD and RPGs. 00:00:48.412 --> 00:00:49.282 Alison: Yes. 00:00:49.552 --> 00:00:56.042 You know, I love this because it's season two, episode two, second guest ever. 00:00:56.072 --> 00:00:57.392 Matt: Oh my God. 00:00:57.812 --> 00:00:58.552 Two, two. 00:00:58.912 --> 00:01:00.952 Sarah: You, Do you know my birthday is two, two? 00:01:01.972 --> 00:01:02.122 Alison: No. 00:01:02.122 --> 00:01:03.232 Sarah: It's February 2nd 00:01:04.022 --> 00:01:04.712 Alison: Stop it. 00:01:05.572 --> 00:01:08.882 Sarah: And I'm turning 44 this year, which are multiples of two. 00:01:09.602 --> 00:01:10.232 Alison: Oh my. 00:01:10.262 --> 00:01:11.422 Okay, okay. 00:01:11.452 --> 00:01:12.112 Okay. 00:01:13.492 --> 00:01:14.302 Mind blown. 00:01:14.307 --> 00:01:14.962 Show over. 00:01:14.962 --> 00:01:15.802 Can't go on. 00:01:16.252 --> 00:01:16.702 Sarah: That's it. 00:01:17.012 --> 00:01:18.002 Everything's connected. 00:01:18.002 --> 00:01:19.172 Alison: That's not even... 00:01:19.172 --> 00:01:19.582 Matt: That is weird. 00:01:19.582 --> 00:01:21.222 Alison: Everything, Everywhere, All At Once. 00:01:21.262 --> 00:01:21.432 Yep. 00:01:21.432 --> 00:01:22.392 Matt: I I love it though. 00:01:22.552 --> 00:01:24.082 Sarah: So happy they got nominated. 00:01:24.082 --> 00:01:24.382 Matt: I know. 00:01:24.382 --> 00:01:24.772 Me too. 00:01:24.772 --> 00:01:24.912 Alison: I know. 00:01:24.942 --> 00:01:25.782 Me too. 00:01:25.852 --> 00:01:28.372 Matt: Do you wanna, you guys wanna just like spend the entire 00:01:28.372 --> 00:01:30.142 hour talking about that movie? 00:01:30.232 --> 00:01:31.862 Everything Everywhere all At Once? 00:01:32.042 --> 00:01:32.392 Yes. 00:01:32.602 --> 00:01:32.792 Okay. 00:01:32.792 --> 00:01:37.522 Alison: Let's be very ADHD and not, and just avoid the task at hand completely. 00:01:37.702 --> 00:01:38.152 And. 00:01:38.752 --> 00:01:39.412 Sarah: We'll do it next time. 00:01:39.802 --> 00:01:40.012 Matt: Yeah. 00:01:40.172 --> 00:01:40.662 Alison: Okay. 00:01:40.662 --> 00:01:41.022 Okay. 00:01:41.022 --> 00:01:41.222 Okay. 00:01:41.227 --> 00:01:41.362 Okay. 00:01:41.392 --> 00:01:41.662 Okay. 00:01:42.415 --> 00:01:42.835 I love it. 00:01:43.285 --> 00:01:48.625 You know, we know who our beautiful, intelligent, funny guest is. 00:01:49.165 --> 00:01:52.525 Uh, our listeners just are hearing this voice from beyond. 00:01:52.615 --> 00:01:55.495 Uh, Sarah, please, please introduce yourself. 00:01:55.495 --> 00:01:57.055 Tell us, Tell us, you know, 00:01:57.115 --> 00:01:58.075 Matt: What kind of topics do you like? 00:01:58.105 --> 00:01:59.305 Sarah: Oh, friends. 00:01:59.305 --> 00:02:02.245 I have an undergrad in musical theater. 00:02:02.545 --> 00:02:05.635 I have a graduate degree in special education. 00:02:06.075 --> 00:02:10.382 I'm like really into love and not like in the like, , surface love 00:02:10.382 --> 00:02:14.342 that a lot of times people get caught in, but like everything's 00:02:14.342 --> 00:02:15.752 connect, like everything everywhere. 00:02:15.752 --> 00:02:16.352 All at once. 00:02:16.352 --> 00:02:16.892 Love. 00:02:16.922 --> 00:02:16.982 Yeah. 00:02:17.492 --> 00:02:18.932 You, you've all seen it. 00:02:19.232 --> 00:02:19.682 Yeah. 00:02:20.252 --> 00:02:21.002 That's real. 00:02:21.062 --> 00:02:24.602 And I'm like trying to tap into that in every conscious way I 00:02:24.602 --> 00:02:26.882 possibly can and it really helps. 00:02:26.912 --> 00:02:27.002 Alison: Mm-hmm. 00:02:28.052 --> 00:02:30.182 Sarah: That doesn't tell you very much about me. 00:02:30.362 --> 00:02:31.112 Matt: It actually does. 00:02:31.322 --> 00:02:34.082 That's actually a pretty good intro to my friend. 00:02:34.202 --> 00:02:37.274 So I, I have known Sarah since we were both very young. 00:02:37.574 --> 00:02:42.554 Uh, she is also a Winston-Salemite, Winston-Salem, North Carolina, which 00:02:42.554 --> 00:02:43.964 you call Winston if you're from there. 00:02:44.060 --> 00:02:48.095 And, uh, the moment I remember is, we had Krispy Kreme together and we were 00:02:48.100 --> 00:02:52.955 all sitting outside and I was already in the rock band, uh, at that moment. 00:02:53.465 --> 00:02:57.935 And you guys, I think something Amy just said, Hey, you wanna go to Krispy Kreme? 00:02:58.475 --> 00:02:59.255 I was like, cool man. 00:02:59.255 --> 00:03:00.105 I'd love Krispy Kreme. 00:03:00.125 --> 00:03:02.465 Sarah: Amy was the coolest, She is the, the coolest. 00:03:02.465 --> 00:03:03.065 She's the coolest. 00:03:03.065 --> 00:03:03.125 Yeah. 00:03:03.225 --> 00:03:08.265 We used to, we were teenagers and you were our favorite band, and we 00:03:08.265 --> 00:03:12.375 would bake cookies for you before the show and bring them back. 00:03:12.375 --> 00:03:15.225 Like the nerdiest, dorkiest you can think of. 00:03:15.255 --> 00:03:15.465 Yeah. 00:03:15.765 --> 00:03:19.515 Um, because we loved your art and we loved you because of your art. 00:03:19.515 --> 00:03:23.665 So that's, it's so, and it's like, you know, Alison, how 00:03:23.665 --> 00:03:25.795 you're like I was a fan first. 00:03:25.855 --> 00:03:30.390 So, sitting here talking to y'all is like, what's my life right now? 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:31.380 Alison: Mean, same. 00:03:31.539 --> 00:03:34.849 I do say that often, that if I could go back and explain to 19 year old 00:03:34.849 --> 00:03:39.799 Alison what's coming in about 20 years, she wouldn't believe me and I, I, I'm 00:03:39.804 --> 00:03:41.484 guessing 19 year old Sarah either. 00:03:41.484 --> 00:03:46.165 Sarah: No, It is the truth that like every seven years, all our cells regenerate. 00:03:46.195 --> 00:03:46.255 Yeah. 00:03:46.255 --> 00:03:48.115 And we become a whole new being. 00:03:48.235 --> 00:03:48.415 Yeah. 00:03:48.445 --> 00:03:52.195 But our bio computers, remember our old beings. 00:03:52.405 --> 00:03:52.585 Yeah. 00:03:53.185 --> 00:03:57.500 So there's a lot of disconnect sometimes with people's, like emotional state 00:03:57.505 --> 00:04:01.830 of being on reconciling that that was like the old operating system. 00:04:01.904 --> 00:04:02.524 Matt: Wow. 00:04:02.610 --> 00:04:02.870 Sarah: Yeah. 00:04:02.870 --> 00:04:06.140 you've upgraded, you've ascended your new levels. 00:04:06.489 --> 00:04:10.344 Alison: Something I'm actively working on is how to assess 00:04:10.374 --> 00:04:11.754 the changes that I wanna make. 00:04:11.834 --> 00:04:15.764 But then also honoring your former self for getting you that far. 00:04:15.764 --> 00:04:20.504 So it's okay to say you were really loud and really obnoxious for a 00:04:20.504 --> 00:04:22.844 long time, and that's the way that you protected yourself and that's 00:04:22.849 --> 00:04:24.074 the way that you carried yourself. 00:04:24.074 --> 00:04:27.280 But now is the time to start listening to other people self and 00:04:27.280 --> 00:04:29.590 not hate on the former, you know, 00:04:29.655 --> 00:04:30.075 Sarah: yes, 00:04:30.175 --> 00:04:30.595 yes. 00:04:30.595 --> 00:04:30.955 Yes, 00:04:30.965 --> 00:04:34.058 So when you're talking to yourself in your head, it's, what am I 00:04:34.058 --> 00:04:36.998 saying to myself both out loud? 00:04:37.028 --> 00:04:41.038 I mean, if you talk out loud to yourself like I do or to, to yourself 00:04:41.038 --> 00:04:42.398 in your head like, oh, I'm so dumb. 00:04:42.398 --> 00:04:43.238 I shouldn't have done that. 00:04:43.448 --> 00:04:44.348 Stop that. 00:04:44.428 --> 00:04:46.213 Do the work to stop that lovingly. 00:04:46.243 --> 00:04:48.403 Don't be like, I'm so stupid. 00:04:48.433 --> 00:04:49.333 Oh, I shouldn't say that. 00:04:49.393 --> 00:04:50.033 I'm, ugh. 00:04:50.083 --> 00:04:50.803 I'm so mad at myself. 00:04:50.833 --> 00:04:55.963 Like it becomes this rolling ball down the hill of I feel guilt and shame for 00:04:55.963 --> 00:04:57.283 the thing that I'm trying to change. 00:04:57.463 --> 00:05:00.403 And that does not help in the ascension away from it. 00:05:00.433 --> 00:05:00.523 Yeah. 00:05:01.153 --> 00:05:01.633 So, 00:05:01.963 --> 00:05:02.713 Matt: Because you're moving downwards. 00:05:02.873 --> 00:05:03.553 Sarah: You're doing the work. 00:05:03.553 --> 00:05:05.773 Alison Good Good for you. 00:05:05.803 --> 00:05:06.703 Matt: Oh, she's doing the work. 00:05:07.288 --> 00:05:10.378 Alison: And it starts, it starts with setting the intention of, 00:05:10.378 --> 00:05:13.888 I'm going to recognize when I do it, queuing people to help you. 00:05:13.888 --> 00:05:15.298 So Matt is one of my helpers. 00:05:15.298 --> 00:05:17.758 Well, he will in a moment say, I need to stop you right there. 00:05:17.758 --> 00:05:19.078 That wasn't nice self-talk. 00:05:19.588 --> 00:05:22.654 And then again, it's the learning, so I said something mean to myself. 00:05:22.654 --> 00:05:24.634 I'm not gonna harp, I'm not gonna sit with that. 00:05:24.634 --> 00:05:27.844 I'm just going to choose some different words and keep moving forward. 00:05:27.874 --> 00:05:31.331 And every time it does get a little easier to the point where you used to 00:05:31.331 --> 00:05:33.251 say, I'm so nervous, I'm so anxious. 00:05:33.301 --> 00:05:36.559 So it's just rewiring myself instead of saying, I'm so anxious about this, 00:05:36.564 --> 00:05:38.419 to say I'm so excited about this. 00:05:38.493 --> 00:05:40.833 It's the same feeling in my body. 00:05:40.833 --> 00:05:44.313 I'm just am choosing a different word for it actively by setting that 00:05:44.318 --> 00:05:48.743 intention that I would notice when I'm talking about being nervous. 00:05:49.888 --> 00:05:51.138 Sarah: Absolutely genius. 00:05:51.318 --> 00:05:52.218 You're genius. 00:05:52.488 --> 00:05:55.068 Alison: I'm so ready to to get nerdy with all of 00:05:55.128 --> 00:05:55.338 Matt: Yeah. 00:05:55.338 --> 00:05:59.445 I, I don't wanna stop it, but but, we do need to, Roll some dice. 00:05:59.505 --> 00:06:01.935 Alison: Sarah, I, I think you should, I think you should get the 00:06:01.935 --> 00:06:06.115 first roll today and remind me you have or have not played any D&D? 00:06:06.170 --> 00:06:07.820 Sarah: I've been begging Matt, but he's busy. 00:06:07.850 --> 00:06:08.540 Matt: I, I'm busy. 00:06:08.545 --> 00:06:09.140 but but 00:06:09.150 --> 00:06:09.590 Sarah: I'm busy, too. 00:06:09.590 --> 00:06:09.770 It's okay. 00:06:09.770 --> 00:06:13.850 Matt: But one of my themes to, to your point, is to play more this year and 00:06:13.855 --> 00:06:15.830 I've, I have, uh, I've been talking. 00:06:15.830 --> 00:06:17.120 I've been, I've been trying to work it out. 00:06:17.330 --> 00:06:19.340 Anyway, these are the, the ones that you can choose from for, so 00:06:19.340 --> 00:06:23.073 while you do that, I'll, I'll finish the story of the weirdness of then 00:06:23.073 --> 00:06:25.113 how we got reconnected as adults. 00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:30.610 Through the, this is gonna actually fit into the D&D world, which is, we met again 00:06:30.610 --> 00:06:33.457 through The Chicago improvisational scene. 00:06:34.057 --> 00:06:36.187 And then we were like, oh my God, I know you What? 00:06:36.192 --> 00:06:37.747 And then, and now we're neighbors. 00:06:37.957 --> 00:06:38.527 Sarah: We're neighbors! 00:06:38.527 --> 00:06:40.537 Matt: It's, it's a beautiful story. 00:06:40.542 --> 00:06:41.147 Sarah: It's beautiful. 00:06:41.197 --> 00:06:42.157 Matt: It's a gorgeous story. 00:06:42.157 --> 00:06:43.117 Sarah: it's really wonderful. 00:06:43.200 --> 00:06:43.410 Okay. 00:06:44.923 --> 00:06:46.543 Matt: Oh, 65, 00:06:46.573 --> 00:06:48.043 Sarah: 65's good. 00:06:48.043 --> 00:06:49.093 Alison: Let's go. 00:06:49.227 --> 00:06:53.457 Oh, interestingly enough, so this is actually the question Matt had last week. 00:06:54.282 --> 00:06:55.152 Sarah: Synchronicities. 00:06:55.152 --> 00:06:56.142 My goodness. 00:06:56.187 --> 00:07:00.907 Alison: So your question is for the second time, if you could live in any 00:07:00.907 --> 00:07:03.697 fantasy location, where would you choose? 00:07:04.122 --> 00:07:05.912 Sarah: I mean, like Middle Earth, look at it. 00:07:05.972 --> 00:07:06.362 Matt: Yeah. 00:07:07.397 --> 00:07:07.757 Alison: There it 00:07:07.952 --> 00:07:10.482 Sarah: Look at it it's got everything, yo. 00:07:10.922 --> 00:07:11.942 Matt: it has great terrain. 00:07:12.432 --> 00:07:14.132 Sarah: Or where do they come, where do the elves come from? 00:07:14.197 --> 00:07:17.557 Alison: So let's, yes, and this, so you live in Middle Earth, and I think you 00:07:17.557 --> 00:07:20.925 just answered the question for me, but do you wanna be an elf are you a hobbit? 00:07:20.930 --> 00:07:22.155 Or like, are you a dwarf? 00:07:22.160 --> 00:07:22.340 Are you 00:07:22.340 --> 00:07:23.400 Sarah: Totally an Mm-hmm. 00:07:23.450 --> 00:07:24.060 But a nice one. 00:07:24.060 --> 00:07:24.360 Not a 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:26.180 Alison: You're totally an elf. 00:07:26.210 --> 00:07:27.660 Sarah: Like, a nice one. 00:07:28.245 --> 00:07:33.705 Alison: You're such a wise, magical, ethereal being that I'm buying all of it. 00:07:33.705 --> 00:07:35.475 I think you might actually be an elf. 00:07:35.475 --> 00:07:38.795 Sarah: I'm not gonna go full Grimes or anything and get those ears, but 00:07:39.698 --> 00:07:40.388 Matt: Bless your heart, 00:07:40.388 --> 00:07:40.748 Sarah: Grimes, 00:07:40.898 --> 00:07:45.168 Alison: Oh, the nerd force is strong with this one and I am here. 00:07:45.288 --> 00:07:46.078 Matt: Oh, man. 00:07:46.228 --> 00:07:46.718 Sarah: Good. 00:07:46.718 --> 00:07:49.358 Good, um, like seriously, I'm in nature. 00:07:49.368 --> 00:07:51.578 When I'm like, what matters? 00:07:51.878 --> 00:07:52.418 Nature. 00:07:52.748 --> 00:07:56.678 When I'm like, I can't, have dying emotionally, I need help. 00:07:56.678 --> 00:07:59.438 And I know that if I go on a walk, I'm like, oh, I'm fine. 00:08:00.728 --> 00:08:01.688 It's crazy. 00:08:01.868 --> 00:08:05.528 If I could be a doctor, I would be like, what's wrong? 00:08:06.218 --> 00:08:08.558 Okay, If you can go on a walk. 00:08:10.208 --> 00:08:13.658 Matt: Uh, Alison, I'm going to have to pause for a second and, 00:08:13.658 --> 00:08:15.617 and get the d100 link from you. 00:08:15.617 --> 00:08:20.867 I, you know what, what, I, need to do is I need to add it to Slack as a hot. 00:08:21.512 --> 00:08:23.132 I'm gonna do it right as we do this. 00:08:23.222 --> 00:08:27.555 Yeah, it's in a big, so if I copy the link and then I go to, 00:08:27.915 --> 00:08:30.385 uh, text expander that's good. 00:08:30.385 --> 00:08:31.315 And then I'm gonna close it. 00:08:31.320 --> 00:08:33.235 So now when I Do 00:08:33.459 --> 00:08:37.734 Sarah: I do wanna point out that like how Matt is talking through 00:08:37.734 --> 00:08:43.110 his processes right now is playing to, I mean, his strength, which 00:08:43.110 --> 00:08:47.010 is why y'all's scores are so good. 00:08:47.340 --> 00:08:49.110 Matt: Oh, spoiler 00:08:49.275 --> 00:08:49.965 Alison: so good. 00:08:50.052 --> 00:08:52.722 I will say Matt and I are nothing if not self-aware. 00:08:52.752 --> 00:08:57.592 Like we have definitely honed processes that work for us and figured. 00:08:57.757 --> 00:09:00.667 Sarah: That is the beauty of the self-awareness is as soon as you've 00:09:00.667 --> 00:09:04.327 like our onion selves, as soon as you've uncovered one level of 00:09:04.327 --> 00:09:09.997 awareness, there's like whole new ones that you're like, oh, Oh! 00:09:10.837 --> 00:09:14.917 And the, the trending towards awe and wonder as opposed 00:09:14.917 --> 00:09:16.687 to guilt and shame is where. 00:09:17.395 --> 00:09:20.260 Alison: Oh, trending towards awe and wonder. 00:09:20.265 --> 00:09:23.830 I wanna bottle up the way that I felt when I heard you say that 00:09:23.830 --> 00:09:25.090 for the first time and remember it 00:09:25.185 --> 00:09:25.675 Matt: Good. 00:09:26.305 --> 00:09:30.015 Sarah: That should be on my gravestone trend towards awe and wonder. 00:09:30.285 --> 00:09:32.275 Alison: Trending towards awe and wonder. 00:09:32.432 --> 00:09:32.612 Okay. 00:09:33.962 --> 00:09:35.432 Uh, I am a, 00:09:35.432 --> 00:09:37.322 Matt: Thirty one. 00:09:37.730 --> 00:09:42.633 If you could give Matt, Alison, or our guest a superhero name, 00:09:42.816 --> 00:09:44.486 what would it be and why? 00:09:44.546 --> 00:09:45.506 We've never gotten this one. 00:09:45.516 --> 00:09:47.406 Alison: You just, you just set us up for it. 00:09:47.406 --> 00:09:51.646 Sarah, I, I officially dub thee "Awe and Wonder Woman" 00:09:51.976 --> 00:09:57.426 Sarah: What I leveled up. 00:09:58.096 --> 00:09:59.306 Alison: I mean, that just 00:10:00.396 --> 00:10:01.086 Sarah: Things vibrating. 00:10:01.786 --> 00:10:02.586 Matt: Level up. 00:10:03.126 --> 00:10:03.996 That was so good. 00:10:04.676 --> 00:10:04.996 Sarah: Fireworks! 00:10:06.666 --> 00:10:07.546 Matt: That was so good. 00:10:08.466 --> 00:10:10.146 Alison: That was, I was, that was all you. 00:10:10.151 --> 00:10:12.556 You set that right up and I just spiked it over the 00:10:12.556 --> 00:10:12.876 Sarah: net. 00:10:12.906 --> 00:10:13.286 Perfect. 00:10:13.306 --> 00:10:13.906 We're best friends. 00:10:14.166 --> 00:10:14.627 Matt: I know it. 00:10:15.486 --> 00:10:16.266 God bless. 00:10:16.416 --> 00:10:16.626 Alison: it. 00:10:16.746 --> 00:10:19.056 Sarah: I told Matt, I was like, I'd be really good friends 00:10:19.056 --> 00:10:20.076 with Alison when I meet her. 00:10:20.226 --> 00:10:21.156 Matt: Yep, she did say that. 00:10:21.156 --> 00:10:21.336 Yep. 00:10:21.636 --> 00:10:22.116 Mm-hmm. 00:10:22.456 --> 00:10:23.286 .And here we are. 00:10:23.606 --> 00:10:24.056 We're dancing. 00:10:24.326 --> 00:10:25.406 Uh, okay. 00:10:25.706 --> 00:10:25.766 Alison: on, 00:10:25.856 --> 00:10:26.096 Matt: Oh yeah. 00:10:26.486 --> 00:10:29.016 And I'm going to of course use my new dice. 00:10:30.736 --> 00:10:31.696 64. 00:10:31.696 --> 00:10:32.216 Sarah: 64. 00:10:32.221 --> 00:10:33.536 That's one less than 65. 00:10:33.856 --> 00:10:35.086 Alison: 64. 00:10:36.556 --> 00:10:41.076 I love this question for you specifically, Matthew Bivins, aside from D&D, 00:10:41.266 --> 00:10:43.096 what's the nerdiest thing about you? 00:10:43.450 --> 00:10:43.780 Yeah. 00:10:43.780 --> 00:10:46.593 There's no one thing, but pick your favorite nerdy thing about 00:10:46.598 --> 00:10:48.153 yourself since you have so many. 00:10:49.713 --> 00:10:52.053 Matt: Well, yeah, it has to. 00:10:52.443 --> 00:10:52.923 it has to. 00:10:52.923 --> 00:10:53.343 be. 00:10:53.506 --> 00:11:00.153 I mean, I, I guess show of hands how many people watch videos on YouTube about 00:11:00.993 --> 00:11:04.353 Obsidian or Notion or Airtable for fun? 00:11:05.103 --> 00:11:09.303 Sarah: I watch about obsidian the stone because I'm into rocks, so you know, 00:11:09.748 --> 00:11:13.428 Matt: Well, that would also be nerdy I think rock crystals are far 00:11:13.433 --> 00:11:17.598 cooler than PKMs, but I think, um, that's probably the nerdiest thing. 00:11:17.603 --> 00:11:18.858 Would, would you, would you agree. 00:11:18.858 --> 00:11:19.428 I would agree. 00:11:19.548 --> 00:11:19.818 Okay. 00:11:20.918 --> 00:11:21.188 So, 00:11:21.323 --> 00:11:23.933 Alison: Well, I, I think that now we get to dive right on 00:11:23.933 --> 00:11:26.123 into the meat and potatoes. 00:11:26.198 --> 00:11:28.508 Matt: So here, I'll, I'll give a little backstory here. 00:11:28.518 --> 00:11:32.025 Sarah has been working uh, very hard just, on all the things that she's 00:11:32.025 --> 00:11:34.215 mentioned before, just, uh, self, wise. 00:11:34.455 --> 00:11:36.761 And, in doing so, there's a new job. 00:11:36.831 --> 00:11:40.961 There was a time where she was in a job that she deeply loved and was not giving 00:11:40.961 --> 00:11:42.491 her what she needed, and she moved on. 00:11:42.551 --> 00:11:46.541 And I think it's it's, still a process and a search almost. 00:11:46.871 --> 00:11:53.375 But I tell you one thing, dude, you are on the right track of 1000% like this one. 00:11:53.765 --> 00:11:54.365 So nice dude. 00:11:54.370 --> 00:11:57.605 This one and that one actually pointing to Alison. 00:11:57.935 --> 00:12:06.051 I think y'all, the two of you absolutely, are, you know, most, grab the bull by 00:12:06.056 --> 00:12:10.491 the horns moving forward, changing the things about that they, that they did 00:12:10.491 --> 00:12:12.981 not love and moving forward and better. 00:12:13.198 --> 00:12:14.268 And Sarah too. 00:12:14.268 --> 00:12:16.471 And, she has a job where she helps people. 00:12:16.760 --> 00:12:19.150 And especially neuro spicy people. 00:12:19.630 --> 00:12:20.260 Sarah: That's my job. 00:12:20.470 --> 00:12:24.340 Matt: And uh, so we're, we're rooting for her to dive more into that. 00:12:24.345 --> 00:12:26.890 Maybe even on a more personal level. 00:12:27.070 --> 00:12:28.840 Sarah: I have three personal clients now. 00:12:28.845 --> 00:12:29.080 Yes. 00:12:29.080 --> 00:12:29.500 Matt: Three. 00:12:30.100 --> 00:12:30.730 Three. 00:12:30.780 --> 00:12:31.340 Sarah: three. 00:12:31.560 --> 00:12:33.510 I had one last week and now I have three. 00:12:34.940 --> 00:12:35.830 Alison: That's amazing. 00:12:36.060 --> 00:12:36.710 I mean, come 00:12:36.800 --> 00:12:37.490 Matt: it is amazing. 00:12:37.490 --> 00:12:38.390 And through work 00:12:38.390 --> 00:12:39.920 Sarah: It's manifestation too, Alison. 00:12:39.920 --> 00:12:40.040 It is. 00:12:40.045 --> 00:12:42.560 It's just, you're like, it's happen, it's happening. 00:12:42.620 --> 00:12:44.720 You're like, in awe and wonder of it. 00:12:44.725 --> 00:12:46.220 You're like, oh, I'm do, I'm doing this. 00:12:46.670 --> 00:12:49.370 Alison: And the more it happens, the better you feel and the better you 00:12:49.370 --> 00:12:51.920 feel, the higher your vibration and the higher your vibration, the more 00:12:51.920 --> 00:12:55.550 that you're pulling in all of your hopes and dreams and magic and so 00:12:55.550 --> 00:12:56.270 Matt: Awe and Wonder Woman! 00:12:57.393 --> 00:12:59.236 So when you got this newer job 00:12:59.446 --> 00:12:59.716 Sarah: Mm-hmm. 00:13:00.096 --> 00:13:03.416 Matt: You had access to this, cognitive assessment report. 00:13:03.506 --> 00:13:03.656 Yes. 00:13:04.046 --> 00:13:07.986 And, uh, this, this report, put out by Cambridge. 00:13:07.996 --> 00:13:10.528 Sarah: it's a Computerized standardized assessment 00:13:10.528 --> 00:13:10.618 Matt: Yes. 00:13:10.708 --> 00:13:13.118 Sarah: Of cognitive functioning. 00:13:13.188 --> 00:13:15.748 And it's by Cambridge Brain Science, 00:13:15.753 --> 00:13:16.498 Matt: Brain Science, yes. 00:13:16.978 --> 00:13:21.388 Sarah: Cambridge did all of the norming I mean, test stuff is so nerdy. 00:13:21.388 --> 00:13:24.598 If you wanna get a master's degree, you can just go into assessments. 00:13:24.598 --> 00:13:28.733 But I I wanted y'all to take it cuz I've been listening to the podcast and 00:13:28.793 --> 00:13:34.013 I was like, oh, these are crazy awesome nerdy adults that probably love data. 00:13:34.373 --> 00:13:39.173 And when you can get data about your, what your, brain is doing, because 00:13:39.173 --> 00:13:40.643 we're not always conscious of that. 00:13:40.853 --> 00:13:47.243 It can be very powerful and it can be like aha moments of like, oh yeah, this 00:13:47.243 --> 00:13:49.043 totally connects to the way I do this. 00:13:49.043 --> 00:13:54.743 And it's again, bringing another layer of that onion of awareness and power. 00:13:55.253 --> 00:13:55.533 Power! 00:13:55.898 --> 00:13:56.318 Matt: I love it. 00:13:56.688 --> 00:14:00.604 The funny thing, of course is that you had to send me a link to this test three 00:14:00.814 --> 00:14:05.998 times because, Well, when you click on the link, I was always excited to do it. 00:14:05.998 --> 00:14:09.688 But it, says, this is gonna take you 45 minutes and you gotta be, 00:14:09.804 --> 00:14:13.694 you gotta lock yourself down into a basement and don't talk to anybody. 00:14:13.694 --> 00:14:17.054 And you know, and I, and I said, okay, I can do that. 00:14:17.204 --> 00:14:21.494 But then it's just hard for me to sit down and actually do it until I decided 00:14:21.494 --> 00:14:23.744 to body double pair with my friend Alison. 00:14:23.744 --> 00:14:24.824 And then we got it done. 00:14:25.094 --> 00:14:27.374 And, uh, it is fascinating. 00:14:27.374 --> 00:14:30.794 And if, and you, you gave me all kinds of warnings like, Hey, 00:14:30.794 --> 00:14:31.934 Sarah: I did, I was annoying to Matt. 00:14:31.934 --> 00:14:33.074 Matt: You're gonna get stressed out like this. 00:14:33.104 --> 00:14:33.464 Sarah: it's okay. 00:14:33.464 --> 00:14:34.454 I just took it again. 00:14:34.454 --> 00:14:38.214 And I wanna tell you this, it depends like the day, the time of day 00:14:38.264 --> 00:14:41.064 Alison: Nothing about my brain likes a standardized test. 00:14:41.069 --> 00:14:42.474 I don't think that's neuro spicy. 00:14:42.474 --> 00:14:44.544 I just think that's human nature, by the way. 00:14:44.603 --> 00:14:48.397 So Matt and I, at the same time, we, we got onto, a Slack huddle. 00:14:48.727 --> 00:14:51.847 We both went on mute so we couldn't hear or see each other. 00:14:51.852 --> 00:14:56.077 Cause we got this, you know, warning that you can't be distracted while you do this. 00:14:56.077 --> 00:14:57.517 You have to shut everything down. 00:14:57.707 --> 00:14:58.877 And immediately I hate it. 00:14:58.937 --> 00:15:03.384 Like I can feel, I'm not a very grounded in my own body person. 00:15:03.384 --> 00:15:05.814 I, a lot of therapists have, not liked this about me. 00:15:05.819 --> 00:15:07.464 They're like, how do you feel in your body right now? 00:15:07.464 --> 00:15:09.474 And I'm like, what does my body have to do with my brain? 00:15:09.714 --> 00:15:11.604 Let's keep talking about my thoughts, right? 00:15:12.084 --> 00:15:18.024 So like it, but in my body, I can feel the anxiety rising, like lava into my throat. 00:15:18.024 --> 00:15:20.004 And I, and I hated it with every ounce of my being. 00:15:20.454 --> 00:15:25.614 Except for, I knew that Matt was on the other side of the mute button feeling 00:15:25.614 --> 00:15:30.204 the same way, and there was some level of like, we're in this together and 00:15:30.204 --> 00:15:31.944 there's a reason that we're doing this. 00:15:32.004 --> 00:15:36.094 And that is what got me through the brain assessment. 00:15:36.094 --> 00:15:37.244 Sarah: What incredible feedback. 00:15:37.249 --> 00:15:40.734 like at any part of a test, even like the how you're prepping or how 00:15:40.734 --> 00:15:45.384 you feel about it are like huge data points that are not usually talked 00:15:45.384 --> 00:15:48.484 about in standardized assessments like when they give you the report. 00:15:48.484 --> 00:15:48.754 Matt: Interesting. 00:15:48.784 --> 00:15:49.744 Sarah: It's very technical. 00:15:49.744 --> 00:15:49.927 Alison: Yep. 00:15:50.221 --> 00:15:50.641 Sarah: Oh man. 00:15:50.651 --> 00:15:53.071 I was like, getting ready for the podcast. 00:15:53.071 --> 00:15:55.351 I was like, how am I gonna talk about this? 00:15:55.411 --> 00:15:55.531 Matt: Yeah. 00:15:55.921 --> 00:15:59.227 Sarah: Um, especially because I had asked Alison if she wanted the 00:15:59.232 --> 00:16:00.607 results before, and she was like, no. 00:16:00.612 --> 00:16:02.437 Reveal, reveal on the podcast. 00:16:02.442 --> 00:16:03.817 And I was like, yes, definitely draw. 00:16:03.847 --> 00:16:04.297 I love it. 00:16:04.327 --> 00:16:04.927 Uh, the drama. 00:16:05.077 --> 00:16:08.891 And then I was like, wait a minute, because, I would never, as 00:16:08.891 --> 00:16:12.311 a professional sit down with two people and give friends and give 00:16:12.311 --> 00:16:14.441 them their scores publicly together. 00:16:14.501 --> 00:16:15.011 Matt: Oh, yeah. 00:16:15.016 --> 00:16:16.211 Oh, I don't care about that for sure. 00:16:16.216 --> 00:16:20.281 Sarah: Um, and I I, didn't think y'all are doing this podcast to bring 00:16:20.281 --> 00:16:24.181 people into the fold and like show vulnerability and talk about it, 00:16:24.186 --> 00:16:28.831 which helps, it helps everybody to feel like I'm not, I'm not alone in 00:16:28.836 --> 00:16:31.351 these things that I feel like About. 00:16:31.361 --> 00:16:33.211 There's other people that experience that. 00:16:33.451 --> 00:16:33.511 Yeah. 00:16:33.516 --> 00:16:35.701 Maybe in different ways, but we're same boat. 00:16:35.701 --> 00:16:35.881 Yeah. 00:16:35.881 --> 00:16:37.276 So, I like that. 00:16:37.678 --> 00:16:41.308 Alison: By the way, I will mention I, because I, I feel like 00:16:41.308 --> 00:16:42.578 I was just very negative about 00:16:42.578 --> 00:16:42.808 Sarah: It was! 00:16:43.228 --> 00:16:45.808 Alison: Test, even though I'm, I'm loving all this, that it's, it's, brought us 00:16:45.808 --> 00:16:49.108 together, but I love an assessment. 00:16:49.168 --> 00:16:50.968 I am an Enneagram seven. 00:16:50.998 --> 00:16:53.548 I am somewhere between a D and an I on a DISC assessment. 00:16:53.788 --> 00:16:57.688 I am E N F P . I am a Woo in Gallup. 00:16:57.688 --> 00:17:01.348 Like I, we can sit here all day and talk about all the different assessments. 00:17:01.678 --> 00:17:02.218 I love 'em. 00:17:02.218 --> 00:17:03.118 I love it. 00:17:03.123 --> 00:17:03.958 Love it, love it, love, love it. 00:17:04.408 --> 00:17:06.448 Matt: I don't understand anything that Alison just said. 00:17:06.598 --> 00:17:08.748 So maybe that's the nerdiest thing about her. 00:17:08.748 --> 00:17:09.368 Sarah: It was wonderful. 00:17:09.418 --> 00:17:09.868 I did. 00:17:09.868 --> 00:17:10.318 I got it. 00:17:10.318 --> 00:17:10.438 Okay, good. 00:17:10.438 --> 00:17:12.148 I'm like, oh yeah, I feel the same. 00:17:12.148 --> 00:17:15.148 like, when I was taking the test, and I feel the same about the data 00:17:15.148 --> 00:17:17.428 is like, Ooh, okay, I need this. 00:17:17.988 --> 00:17:21.088 Matt: Well then give give Alison exactly what she needs for this. 00:17:21.103 --> 00:17:25.623 I want to see her sparkle in the unveiling of all of these answers. 00:17:25.973 --> 00:17:29.318 Sarah: So I don't wanna be too long, but I wanna say that I want 00:17:29.318 --> 00:17:32.888 to put forth a little bit of my feelings about standardized tests. 00:17:33.068 --> 00:17:35.588 I was a teacher for 10 years and part of the reason that 00:17:35.588 --> 00:17:37.058 I was like, I cannot do this 00:17:37.068 --> 00:17:37.678 Alison: Mm-hmm. 00:17:38.253 --> 00:17:39.183 Sarah: For kids with special needs. 00:17:39.183 --> 00:17:39.243 Yeah. 00:17:39.273 --> 00:17:42.243 I cannot do this, right, is because standardized tests are the only 00:17:42.243 --> 00:17:44.103 measure that they do of growth. 00:17:44.163 --> 00:17:44.283 Matt: Mm-hmm. 00:17:44.763 --> 00:17:48.273 . Sarah: And you're like, this kid, executive functioning wise, has grown. 00:17:48.713 --> 00:17:50.023 incredible amounts. 00:17:50.203 --> 00:17:53.353 It does not show on this particular standardized test. 00:17:53.533 --> 00:17:57.263 And a standardized test, like any, informal or formal assessment is 00:17:57.263 --> 00:17:59.723 just literally one pop of time. 00:17:59.963 --> 00:18:01.973 What is your holistic being 00:18:01.973 --> 00:18:02.063 Matt: Right. 00:18:02.493 --> 00:18:03.443 Sarah: Functioning at that moment? 00:18:03.683 --> 00:18:08.063 So you can't take it as an absolute, again, the fluid, the flow, the fluid. 00:18:08.063 --> 00:18:10.343 We're not, we're not ever static. 00:18:10.733 --> 00:18:12.173 That's how I know we're in the Matrix. 00:18:12.203 --> 00:18:13.013 None of this real. 00:18:13.323 --> 00:18:17.483 Matt: I'll also say it's kind of like writing a song or, setting up 00:18:17.483 --> 00:18:21.053 a session in, in the game where it's like that moment of time and people 00:18:21.053 --> 00:18:22.583 say, oh, you wrote that song about me. 00:18:22.588 --> 00:18:23.393 No, I didn't. 00:18:23.393 --> 00:18:25.673 I wrote the song about a moment. 00:18:25.814 --> 00:18:27.494 Sarah: This is all, everything's connected. 00:18:28.527 --> 00:18:33.657 And what I wanna say is that besides the ones that you're overdeveloped in, so 00:18:33.662 --> 00:18:39.647 you both have above average subscores that it's a huge celebration because 00:18:40.007 --> 00:18:44.117 A, all of your scores, even the lower ones, are within the average range. 00:18:44.627 --> 00:18:46.907 So none of your I know. 00:18:46.907 --> 00:18:47.987 There there it is. 00:18:48.077 --> 00:18:52.547 And I should have had like, more aplomb, these like you're average. 00:18:52.757 --> 00:18:55.787 But here is the other thing I, and I have to read this. 00:18:56.327 --> 00:19:00.197 Since you have both been officially diagnosed with ADHD and have been working 00:19:00.347 --> 00:19:04.067 both unconsciously and consciously for your entire lives to build the 00:19:04.067 --> 00:19:08.087 strategies to aid you in functioning, I would say that both of your outcomes are 00:19:08.117 --> 00:19:11.357 like, incredibly positive in general. 00:19:11.597 --> 00:19:16.457 Oh, you've worked hard to be functioning within the average for your gender and age 00:19:16.457 --> 00:19:19.307 range, and that alone is to be celebrated. 00:19:19.307 --> 00:19:19.817 So if we, 00:19:19.817 --> 00:19:19.877 Matt: Wow. 00:19:20.117 --> 00:19:22.217 Sarah: Didn't talk about the rest of this at all. 00:19:22.457 --> 00:19:23.267 Didn't dive in. 00:19:23.537 --> 00:19:25.847 It's just a huge celebration period. 00:19:25.987 --> 00:19:28.417 we have to celebrate this y'all 00:19:36.307 --> 00:19:37.087 And we're done. 00:19:37.087 --> 00:19:37.927 End of episode. 00:19:38.167 --> 00:19:39.187 your, you're average. 00:19:39.187 --> 00:19:40.387 Matt: That's so informative. 00:19:40.387 --> 00:19:40.897 Thank you. 00:19:40.957 --> 00:19:41.437 Thank you. 00:19:42.197 --> 00:19:42.757 Great. 00:19:42.757 --> 00:19:44.737 Sarah: Which I hope is good to hear because again, 00:19:44.737 --> 00:19:44.887 Matt: it is 00:19:44.887 --> 00:19:46.237 Sarah: I like, felt the same 00:19:46.237 --> 00:19:48.007 about my test scores. 00:19:48.067 --> 00:19:52.434 Alison: One, one of the, um, the topics that I, I need to research 00:19:52.434 --> 00:19:55.750 more on, and, uh, understand better is this, the rejection 00:19:55.750 --> 00:19:58.870 sensitive dysphoria aspect of ADHD. 00:19:58.967 --> 00:20:02.327 I was feeling it hard taking the test, you know, I'm like, I'm, I'm dumb. 00:20:02.427 --> 00:20:05.247 Like this is the point where Sarah's like, it's so bad. 00:20:05.247 --> 00:20:06.717 I don't even wanna tell you about it. 00:20:06.717 --> 00:20:10.107 And Matt's like, I can't be your friend anymore, uh, from a dumb 00:20:10.107 --> 00:20:13.257 standardized test, you know, ,like, that's where my brain. 00:20:13.724 --> 00:20:16.464 And, and where I've grown is understanding my brain's gonna have 00:20:16.464 --> 00:20:17.574 the thoughts that it wants to have. 00:20:17.574 --> 00:20:20.694 I can't stop those, but it's how I choose to respond and say, you know 00:20:20.699 --> 00:20:24.614 what, actually, so hearing I'm completely average is best news ever cuz I 00:20:24.629 --> 00:20:26.819 Sarah: And you're not completely average. 00:20:26.859 --> 00:20:28.289 and I didn't hit that hard enough. 00:20:28.289 --> 00:20:29.639 We like celebrated the average. 00:20:29.819 --> 00:20:35.369 But you both have scores that are in the above average range. 00:20:35.495 --> 00:20:39.215 because there's 12 sub tests, I decided to break it down like this, y'all. 00:20:39.372 --> 00:20:42.032 I picked the top three of each of yours? 00:20:42.252 --> 00:20:47.222 And then I picked the bottom three and I aggregated the data, which is great 00:20:47.222 --> 00:20:50.822 because y'all have many similarities and of, of course, differences. 00:20:50.827 --> 00:20:54.902 But I was like, let's focus on the similarities for talking about strengths 00:20:54.932 --> 00:20:57.752 and how to build up the, the lowest area. 00:20:57.842 --> 00:21:01.322 Literally for all of us All three of us scored, scored the 00:21:01.327 --> 00:21:03.782 lowest on the same subsection. 00:21:03.782 --> 00:21:03.942 Matt: Really? 00:21:03.962 --> 00:21:04.082 Wow. 00:21:04.372 --> 00:21:06.792 Sarah: And y'all scored the exact same score. 00:21:07.782 --> 00:21:07.842 . Matt: Wow. 00:21:07.842 --> 00:21:07.962 Weird 00:21:09.762 --> 00:21:12.432 Sarah: But I don't wanna start with low because that's the other thing is Sure. 00:21:12.432 --> 00:21:15.342 A lot of times, uh, standardized tests are like, you're fine. 00:21:15.342 --> 00:21:15.762 You're fine. 00:21:15.762 --> 00:21:17.232 Except for this, you're really bad at this. 00:21:17.232 --> 00:21:17.322 Matt: Yeah. 00:21:17.322 --> 00:21:21.012 Sarah: And it's like, no, the first, we have to spend a lot of 00:21:21.012 --> 00:21:23.592 attention on what is above average. 00:21:23.592 --> 00:21:27.702 Because your strengths are what you use to build up the areas 00:21:27.702 --> 00:21:29.172 where you, those are the wins. 00:21:29.202 --> 00:21:29.382 Yes. 00:21:29.412 --> 00:21:29.662 Mm-hmm. 00:21:29.742 --> 00:21:30.022 Okay. 00:21:30.189 --> 00:21:34.509 So, you have to think of this test as your character generation. 00:21:34.869 --> 00:21:37.499 Like rolling dice for your character's attributes. 00:21:38.119 --> 00:21:38.569 Okay. 00:21:38.569 --> 00:21:40.069 I was like, oh, this, is great. 00:21:40.249 --> 00:21:40.609 Okay. 00:21:40.609 --> 00:21:42.679 And you're born with those. 00:21:42.684 --> 00:21:44.269 So it really is like rolling. 00:21:44.449 --> 00:21:45.829 You're like, you don't have a choice. 00:21:45.829 --> 00:21:49.159 you roll the die and that's what your your attribute is. 00:21:49.279 --> 00:21:57.109 But your strategies are like your magic ring or sword that give you the plus. 00:21:57.242 --> 00:22:01.732 So, and a magic ring or sword that would work for one particular 00:22:01.732 --> 00:22:04.342 character might not work for another. 00:22:04.342 --> 00:22:05.752 And that's the same with strategies. 00:22:05.752 --> 00:22:05.842 Matt: Yes. 00:22:05.902 --> 00:22:08.362 Sarah: Is we, we can share strategies and it's like, that's great. 00:22:08.362 --> 00:22:08.932 Let me try it. 00:22:08.992 --> 00:22:10.462 Well, that one doesn't really work for me. 00:22:10.462 --> 00:22:10.952 It's me looking. 00:22:10.952 --> 00:22:12.312 Matt: Sometimes you have to attune. 00:22:12.492 --> 00:22:12.872 Sarah: Yes. 00:22:12.872 --> 00:22:13.322 Attune. 00:22:13.352 --> 00:22:13.952 Yes. 00:22:13.982 --> 00:22:14.282 Okay. 00:22:15.184 --> 00:22:15.594 I'm a nerd. 00:22:15.774 --> 00:22:16.074 Okay. 00:22:16.534 --> 00:22:17.164 Alison: I love it. 00:22:18.064 --> 00:22:18.484 Sarah: Okay. 00:22:18.597 --> 00:22:24.557 So I'm gonna start with, uh, Alison and your top three scores. 00:22:25.177 --> 00:22:29.067 . your verbal reasoning is as good as, or better than 86% of the 00:22:29.067 --> 00:22:30.567 population this was normed on. 00:22:30.567 --> 00:22:31.227 That's huge. 00:22:31.257 --> 00:22:32.187 It's really, really high. 00:22:32.857 --> 00:22:35.717 Alison: A, and this was the only one that I was like, when I 00:22:35.897 --> 00:22:36.407 Sarah: This is, this 00:22:36.412 --> 00:22:37.187 Alison: I got this one. 00:22:37.247 --> 00:22:40.547 I, I knew what this one was measuring, and that I nailed it. 00:22:40.597 --> 00:22:43.117 Sarah: it speaks to your, again, self-awareness of your 00:22:43.117 --> 00:22:44.977 strengths is so, is so important. 00:22:44.977 --> 00:22:49.117 Alison it's what's helping All the growth and inner work that you're doing. 00:22:49.237 --> 00:22:52.052 The grammatical reasoning subtest. 00:22:52.292 --> 00:22:55.405 I'm gonna explain it real quick when y'all were taking it. 00:22:55.405 --> 00:23:01.705 This is the test that had a circle and a square, and you had to put true or false. 00:23:02.165 --> 00:23:06.065 And it would say this, the circle is smaller than the square. 00:23:06.070 --> 00:23:06.395 Matt: Mm-hmm. 00:23:06.475 --> 00:23:07.895 Sarah: And you had to put true or false. 00:23:07.900 --> 00:23:08.115 Matt: Mm-hmm. 00:23:08.220 --> 00:23:13.980 Sarah: And so it shows that you are incredibly good at the ability to quickly 00:23:13.980 --> 00:23:18.600 understand and make valid conclusions about concepts expressed in words. 00:23:18.810 --> 00:23:21.125 So, Alison that was your top toppest one. 00:23:21.605 --> 00:23:22.235 The next one. 00:23:22.235 --> 00:23:25.779 is kind of this one of all of the subtests, cuz there are 12. 00:23:25.879 --> 00:23:30.169 And it's so, it's so strange when you're like, wow, This is one of the best ones. 00:23:30.169 --> 00:23:30.919 this is great. 00:23:31.549 --> 00:23:34.489 But I knew, this is the other part, I was like, oh yeah, I 00:23:34.489 --> 00:23:35.669 can tell this about Alison. 00:23:35.699 --> 00:23:38.829 She comes into the podcast and is like, we're doing this. 00:23:38.829 --> 00:23:42.129 This is now part of how we're building this This is built, and it's this way. 00:23:42.339 --> 00:23:44.789 And you're, you're building a structure, right? 00:23:44.794 --> 00:23:45.419 You're building a routine. 00:23:45.649 --> 00:23:45.889 Matt: Mm-hmm. 00:23:45.969 --> 00:23:47.549 , Sarah: Which is beautiful and so good. 00:23:48.042 --> 00:23:53.117 Deductive reasoning, you're in the 72nd percentile, deductive reasoning is logic. 00:23:53.447 --> 00:23:54.777 You're really good at logic. 00:23:55.427 --> 00:24:01.487 The next one is working memory, and that was the 63rd percentile. 00:24:01.517 --> 00:24:03.767 You're very good at holding. 00:24:03.878 --> 00:24:08.618 stuff in your short term memory to be able to apply it to your deductive reasoning. 00:24:08.618 --> 00:24:12.278 And you're probably using your verbal reasoning to strengthen all of that. 00:24:12.278 --> 00:24:13.628 So those are your top three. 00:24:13.875 --> 00:24:17.745 The lowest three, which I will reiterate are still within the average. 00:24:17.750 --> 00:24:21.495 So it's like nothing to be like, oh, the lowest three are 00:24:21.615 --> 00:24:23.685 visual, spatial, working memory. 00:24:24.735 --> 00:24:29.538 And that is a measure of the ability to remember information 00:24:29.538 --> 00:24:31.038 about objects in space. 00:24:31.218 --> 00:24:37.548 This relates directly to the example you were giving about your body not being a 00:24:37.548 --> 00:24:39.295 thing when you're working in your brain. 00:24:39.295 --> 00:24:40.919 And Matt, I'm gonna jump 00:24:40.919 --> 00:24:43.649 the boundary I've made and be like, Matt, yours is also the 00:24:43.649 --> 00:24:44.939 lowest, it's the same as hers. 00:24:44.939 --> 00:24:45.359 Exactly. 00:24:45.419 --> 00:24:48.419 And you, I know you've talked about like bumping into stuff 00:24:48.419 --> 00:24:50.219 and, and feeling clumsy. 00:24:50.224 --> 00:24:55.289 And that is directly related to this area, and it's the lowest one. 00:24:55.709 --> 00:24:58.589 Meaning that y'all have already to be in the average. 00:24:58.589 --> 00:25:04.349 You all already do work to function within the average of this range, but it is low. 00:25:04.619 --> 00:25:09.035 And knowing that, I'm gonna tell you that's also my lowest area. 00:25:09.318 --> 00:25:09.738 Alison: Yay. 00:25:09.978 --> 00:25:12.738 Sarah: I started to look at, uh, the other test that I've given and 00:25:12.738 --> 00:25:17.478 be like, is this typically a like really low area for people with ADHD? 00:25:17.478 --> 00:25:18.228 And it's true. 00:25:18.258 --> 00:25:18.528 It is. 00:25:18.948 --> 00:25:19.008 Matt: Wow. 00:25:19.238 --> 00:25:24.398 Sarah: Matt, your top three scores first was working memory, 83rd percentile. 00:25:24.403 --> 00:25:24.618 Matt: Mm-hmm. 00:25:24.703 --> 00:25:27.128 Sarah: So you can, you have that information and can 00:25:27.128 --> 00:25:30.248 use it like adept quickly. 00:25:30.548 --> 00:25:31.358 Wonderful. 00:25:31.928 --> 00:25:32.498 Matt: Interesting. 00:25:32.498 --> 00:25:32.858 Working. 00:25:32.968 --> 00:25:33.458 Okay. 00:25:33.458 --> 00:25:33.898 Mm-hmm. 00:25:33.978 --> 00:25:34.898 Sarah: Your verbal reasoning. 00:25:34.988 --> 00:25:36.248 82nd percentile. 00:25:36.248 --> 00:25:39.408 So very high, like in, in sync with Alison 00:25:39.433 --> 00:25:39.458 Matt: Okay. 00:25:39.458 --> 00:25:43.688 So that, ha that obviously has nothing to do with, uh, uh, uh, stumbling 00:25:43.688 --> 00:25:47.918 over words or I, as long as I, get to the point, then it's going to 00:25:47.918 --> 00:25:50.348 be, the reasoning itself is sound. 00:25:50.498 --> 00:25:55.748 Even if as it gets out of my mouth it's not clear, concise, uh, and so on. 00:25:55.898 --> 00:25:55.978 And. 00:25:56.573 --> 00:25:57.023 Sarah: Yeah. 00:25:57.263 --> 00:25:57.533 Matt: Okay. 00:25:57.533 --> 00:25:57.653 Good. 00:25:58.198 --> 00:25:58.733 Sarah: Yes. 00:25:58.973 --> 00:26:00.353 Everything that you just said, 00:26:00.473 --> 00:26:02.003 Matt: Everything I just barely said. 00:26:02.063 --> 00:26:04.793 Sarah: Your third area is response inhibition. 00:26:04.793 --> 00:26:10.433 And that is the ability to put to the side things that aren't relevant to 00:26:10.433 --> 00:26:13.163 the task that you are focusing on. 00:26:13.163 --> 00:26:14.693 Matt: Whoa. 00:26:15.040 --> 00:26:18.910 Alison: One of the things that Matt is great at is knowing that he's not 00:26:18.910 --> 00:26:21.580 good at that and like, and stopping it. 00:26:21.650 --> 00:26:24.860 So I will try, I will try to do the work that I'm doing and 00:26:24.860 --> 00:26:26.840 listen to you and fail at both. 00:26:27.020 --> 00:26:30.890 Matt will just block me out and be like, I I'm not listening to you right now. 00:26:31.070 --> 00:26:31.850 I, I'm only, 00:26:31.905 --> 00:26:32.835 Matt: That's very new. 00:26:32.885 --> 00:26:35.855 Sarah: You have, you can see the outcome of your work. 00:26:35.885 --> 00:26:35.975 Matt: Mm-hmm. 00:26:36.215 --> 00:26:36.665 Sarah: Right there. 00:26:36.665 --> 00:26:36.725 Yeah. 00:26:36.725 --> 00:26:41.555 And it's like really gratifying to be I'm bad at this, but look, I'm, 00:26:41.615 --> 00:26:43.865 I'm like literally using strategies. 00:26:43.938 --> 00:26:44.478 Matt: Wow. 00:26:45.318 --> 00:26:48.331 Sarah: So Let me pause and be like, , how do you, how do you feel? 00:26:48.361 --> 00:26:49.751 What's your reactions? 00:26:49.891 --> 00:26:53.461 Matt: Well, I was wondering if, Well, just like, just because 00:26:53.461 --> 00:26:55.861 this is the intersection of ADHD 00:26:55.861 --> 00:26:55.951 Sarah: Mm-hmm. 00:26:56.191 --> 00:26:58.451 , Matt: and you know, Dungeons & Dragons. 00:26:58.451 --> 00:26:58.651 Mm-hmm. 00:26:58.651 --> 00:27:02.731 So the, the two, I'll just, we'll just go the two highest for me. 00:27:02.736 --> 00:27:05.611 Working memory and verbal reasoning. 00:27:05.651 --> 00:27:07.331 There's three that kind of pop out. 00:27:07.481 --> 00:27:11.561 There's, there's a Charisma score, an Intelligence score, and a Wisdom score. 00:27:11.651 --> 00:27:13.901 Now, those are very super broad. 00:27:13.901 --> 00:27:17.251 Would you say, Alison, you could probably have the, the working memory 00:27:17.251 --> 00:27:23.401 attribute, but I wonder if, if one of them might be considered Charisma. 00:27:24.281 --> 00:27:24.631 Oh. 00:27:25.471 --> 00:27:26.101 Or would you say no? 00:27:26.106 --> 00:27:30.061 Or would you say more Wisdom and more Intelligence and Wisdom is more, 00:27:31.021 --> 00:27:33.271 Alison: Intelligence is knowing that a tomato is a fruit. 00:27:33.331 --> 00:27:36.931 Wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad is the way that 00:27:36.931 --> 00:27:38.581 I was trained to do these scores. 00:27:39.776 --> 00:27:40.496 Matt: Say, say that. 00:27:40.496 --> 00:27:41.186 one more time. 00:27:41.482 --> 00:27:43.732 Alison: intelligence is knowing that a tomato is a fruit. 00:27:43.732 --> 00:27:45.712 Wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad. 00:27:46.717 --> 00:27:47.207 Sarah: Amen. 00:27:47.207 --> 00:27:48.197 Unless you know it might 00:27:48.202 --> 00:27:50.932 Alison: So intelligence is more like learned book. 00:27:50.932 --> 00:27:53.332 Smart wisdom is more common sense. 00:27:54.052 --> 00:27:56.002 Uh, yeah, exactly. 00:27:56.092 --> 00:27:59.062 I I would put verbal reasonings straight into Charisma though 00:27:59.092 --> 00:28:02.512 because of your, because charisma is where persuasion lives. 00:28:02.542 --> 00:28:06.172 It's where intimidation lives, it, all of those different things where you 00:28:06.172 --> 00:28:10.582 can use your verbal reasoning to both get yourself into pickles and back 00:28:10.582 --> 00:28:12.592 out of them, which I think Matt and 00:28:12.617 --> 00:28:13.187 Sarah: Yes. 00:28:13.187 --> 00:28:16.717 And socially, it makes you very socially, adept no matter how you're 00:28:16.717 --> 00:28:19.677 feeling about social experiences. 00:28:19.677 --> 00:28:19.997 Mm-hmm. 00:28:20.082 --> 00:28:22.997 It makes you it makes you adept at them. 00:28:23.267 --> 00:28:24.282 Alison: It's it's masking. 00:28:24.282 --> 00:28:24.552 Matt: It's masking. 00:28:24.621 --> 00:28:27.591 Alison: Even if we're having shitty days, like other people will 00:28:27.596 --> 00:28:31.941 have no idea because we've gotten so good at reading the room and 00:28:31.941 --> 00:28:35.931 adapting ourselves to it, instead of expecting people to adapt to us. 00:28:36.312 --> 00:28:38.922 Matt: So working memory would then be, that would be closer 00:28:38.922 --> 00:28:39.972 to intelligence, right? 00:28:39.977 --> 00:28:41.442 Cause that's not as emotional. 00:28:41.502 --> 00:28:43.572 Sarah: And they're all connected, like working memory. 00:28:43.752 --> 00:28:44.699 Matt: That's why it's Not a one to one 00:28:44.699 --> 00:28:47.712 Sarah: With deductive reasoning, because you need all those pieces to make 00:28:47.712 --> 00:28:52.752 logical choices about planning and into the way you're going to move forward. 00:28:53.172 --> 00:28:53.332 Matt: Interesting. 00:28:53.337 --> 00:28:54.552 And then another high one for you. 00:28:54.552 --> 00:28:56.442 AK was, was it? 00:28:56.492 --> 00:28:57.357 Sarah: Working memory. 00:28:57.357 --> 00:28:57.877 That's the thing. 00:28:57.877 --> 00:28:58.797 Oh, that, that was the other thing. 00:28:58.797 --> 00:28:59.357 Working memory. 00:28:59.362 --> 00:29:01.737 Deductive reasoning Were your high ones. 00:29:02.967 --> 00:29:05.217 Matt: High charisma, high intelligence. 00:29:05.337 --> 00:29:05.487 Sarah: Mm-hmm. 00:29:05.732 --> 00:29:06.207 . Matt: What is that? 00:29:06.207 --> 00:29:06.897 Warlock. 00:29:06.997 --> 00:29:07.387 What would they 00:29:07.392 --> 00:29:07.837 Sarah: Cleric? 00:29:07.943 --> 00:29:09.713 No, clerics aren't very Charismatic. 00:29:09.983 --> 00:29:10.523 Is that true? 00:29:10.523 --> 00:29:11.183 They yeah. 00:29:11.183 --> 00:29:12.293 Matt: They don't need to be. 00:29:12.357 --> 00:29:14.167 Sarah: But they're high intelligence 00:29:14.397 --> 00:29:15.567 Matt: They are high intelligence. 00:29:15.567 --> 00:29:17.457 They need, they need a lot of Wisdom. 00:29:17.517 --> 00:29:17.607 Sarah: do 00:29:17.637 --> 00:29:18.212 Alison: honestly. 00:29:18.452 --> 00:29:19.502 Paladin. 00:29:20.812 --> 00:29:21.442 Matt: Paladin? 00:29:21.802 --> 00:29:22.252 Sure. 00:29:22.360 --> 00:29:24.790 Alison: Paladin could go high Wisdom, high Intelligence, but 00:29:24.790 --> 00:29:27.850 you could absolutely do a build of high Charisma, high Intelligence. 00:29:28.010 --> 00:29:28.550 Matt: Paladin. 00:29:28.583 --> 00:29:31.853 Alison: And, and that's the other thing too, is that high Charisma 00:29:31.853 --> 00:29:34.103 doesn't have to mean likable. 00:29:34.163 --> 00:29:37.858 Matt: And and that is the class that I've, I think that you would be in real life. 00:29:38.034 --> 00:29:38.574 Paladin. 00:29:38.775 --> 00:29:41.865 There's just something, there's something about how, how passionate you 00:29:41.865 --> 00:29:46.191 get about, things, and that to me is what, that to me is what paladins are. 00:29:46.298 --> 00:29:46.988 Sarah: Passionate. 00:29:47.618 --> 00:29:49.598 Matt: Passionate, certainly the charismatic part. 00:29:49.628 --> 00:29:50.018 Okay. 00:29:50.108 --> 00:29:50.378 I like 00:29:50.458 --> 00:29:52.478 Alison: The, the ultimate fan girl. 00:29:52.478 --> 00:29:52.928 Matt: Yes. 00:29:53.108 --> 00:29:54.698 Yeah, exactly. 00:29:54.813 --> 00:29:57.963 Tell me a little more about visio spatial processing again. 00:29:58.093 --> 00:29:58.743 Sarah: Oh goodness. 00:29:58.743 --> 00:30:02.133 And this is where I was like, okay, I need to have good, notes on this 00:30:02.523 --> 00:30:04.593 visual spatial working memory. 00:30:04.648 --> 00:30:09.118 Okay, so it means you're a strong, maybe visual learner. 00:30:09.328 --> 00:30:09.508 Okay. 00:30:09.508 --> 00:30:16.248 But not great at, The, processing means that, okay. 00:30:16.768 --> 00:30:19.688 I'm I'm trying to put it in the most real example as possible. 00:30:19.693 --> 00:30:22.018 So if you have a, a mess in front of you 00:30:22.023 --> 00:30:22.448 Matt: Uhhuh. 00:30:22.533 --> 00:30:27.028 Sarah: You, you realize it's a mess and you could have a plan for fixing it. 00:30:27.028 --> 00:30:27.278 Mm-hmm. 00:30:27.358 --> 00:30:30.228 But the working memory part makes that challenging. 00:30:30.422 --> 00:30:32.987 So, you feel strong. 00:30:33.077 --> 00:30:35.777 You realize there's doom piles, okay. 00:30:36.550 --> 00:30:38.400 You could you have strategies for that? 00:30:38.850 --> 00:30:41.675 Your working memory is, there's a doom pile. 00:30:41.825 --> 00:30:42.725 I gotta do this. 00:30:42.725 --> 00:30:44.255 And the doom pile sits. 00:30:44.255 --> 00:30:45.035 Matt: Oh my God. 00:30:45.155 --> 00:30:48.605 Sarah: So I, I, said this for all for all of us, since this is our lowest 00:30:48.605 --> 00:30:52.265 score of the visual spatial memory is this can be reasons for your mess. 00:30:52.805 --> 00:30:56.495 Your doom piles physical organization of items and clumsiness. 00:30:56.558 --> 00:30:56.978 Matt: Wow. 00:30:57.673 --> 00:30:58.063 Alison: That 00:30:58.148 --> 00:30:59.258 Sarah: Tracks I know. 00:30:59.323 --> 00:31:04.020 Alison: And it's why like, I've had many conversations with my more 00:31:04.025 --> 00:31:06.120 neurotypical friends about my mess. 00:31:06.660 --> 00:31:07.830 You know, cause they, they don't understand. 00:31:07.830 --> 00:31:10.920 They're Like, just, just clean it just, and like, I don't, I need 00:31:10.920 --> 00:31:12.630 somebody both to pair with me. 00:31:12.630 --> 00:31:14.580 Like I need somebody physically in my space. 00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:17.450 And in some ways I need somebody to show me because I'm such 00:31:17.450 --> 00:31:18.350 a visual learner, right? 00:31:18.350 --> 00:31:21.200 I need you to show me, cuz I don't know I don't know how to do this. 00:31:21.530 --> 00:31:26.870 But I also think about this in the application of why I have taught myself 00:31:26.870 --> 00:31:28.970 that I am bad at art all these years. 00:31:29.150 --> 00:31:32.270 Cuz I see it in my brain and I have no, there's, I've always 00:31:32.270 --> 00:31:35.120 said there is a connection missing from my brain to my hand. 00:31:35.360 --> 00:31:39.457 So I can see the thing that I wanna create and what comes out is not good. 00:31:39.457 --> 00:31:41.137 I can't draw a stick figure sometimes. 00:31:41.142 --> 00:31:41.767 And that's, 00:31:41.852 --> 00:31:45.002 Sarah: That's one of the, it it is, it's directly I, cuz I was like 00:31:45.002 --> 00:31:48.802 visual spatial, working memory is what we all want to improve in. 00:31:48.802 --> 00:31:52.072 So I, I went and found a bunch of strategies and one of them is 00:31:52.072 --> 00:31:57.052 to take up art, start painting, start drawing, start practicing. 00:31:57.202 --> 00:32:00.322 That's the thing is, and it's, it just is logical. 00:32:00.322 --> 00:32:05.392 This will go to your deductive reasoning, Alison, is that your brain is a muscle and 00:32:05.392 --> 00:32:07.372 if you want to improve it, you have to. 00:32:07.522 --> 00:32:08.002 Matt: Work out. 00:32:08.512 --> 00:32:10.402 Sarah: Consciously practice that. 00:32:10.612 --> 00:32:13.012 You can't just be like, oh, I'm putting a lot of attention on 00:32:13.012 --> 00:32:14.332 it, but not doing the thing. 00:32:14.332 --> 00:32:17.032 you have to do the thing to grow the muscle. 00:32:17.195 --> 00:32:17.495 Alison: Yeah. 00:32:17.495 --> 00:32:21.035 We have talked at length about how if I am not instantly good at something, 00:32:21.035 --> 00:32:22.595 I want nothing to do with it. 00:32:23.235 --> 00:32:29.525 And, and art is the prime example of this where I, I don't see instant lift. 00:32:29.580 --> 00:32:32.760 Sarah: Your needle doesn't move fast enough and you're like, this is worthless. 00:32:32.820 --> 00:32:35.100 I need to, I need to focus on something where I can move that 00:32:35.100 --> 00:32:37.830 needle, but those are the spaces you 00:32:38.585 --> 00:32:42.912 Alison: And, apparently, I could be off base on this, but I, I remember somebody 00:32:42.912 --> 00:32:46.272 in one of our earliest episodes leaving a comment saying, this is more prevalent 00:32:46.272 --> 00:32:52.182 in women, like the, the pressure to get it right, to be good, to be perfect. 00:32:52.632 --> 00:32:55.482 And so when we are not, I don't know if that's the rejection sensitive 00:32:55.482 --> 00:33:00.492 dysphoria kicking in or what it is we're, we are as women more apt to 00:33:00.552 --> 00:33:04.632 leave it behind and go back to something that we do feel more adept with. 00:33:04.982 --> 00:33:05.832 Sarah: Absolutely. 00:33:06.442 --> 00:33:06.862 Matt: Wow. 00:33:07.042 --> 00:33:08.012 Sarah: It's wild. 00:33:08.432 --> 00:33:11.932 Matt: I love, I love this list that you have nine ways to improve 00:33:11.942 --> 00:33:13.742 visual, spatial working memory. 00:33:14.312 --> 00:33:15.452 Sarah: And see, I'm not a genius. 00:33:15.452 --> 00:33:19.905 I just know how to look up the wonderful research that people have been doing 00:33:19.905 --> 00:33:23.925 on this and like my past experiences and put them together and be like this. 00:33:23.925 --> 00:33:24.885 This is what we do. 00:33:25.659 --> 00:33:26.719 Lifehack.org. 00:33:26.876 --> 00:33:27.176 Okay. 00:33:27.259 --> 00:33:29.059 Number one, move your body. 00:33:29.064 --> 00:33:29.369 Matt: Mm-hmm. 00:33:29.689 --> 00:33:30.709 Sarah: Take a dance class. 00:33:30.709 --> 00:33:31.909 Take a workout class. 00:33:31.909 --> 00:33:33.079 Martial arts. 00:33:33.159 --> 00:33:35.319 So take up painting or drawing. 00:33:35.409 --> 00:33:35.709 Matt: Okay. 00:33:35.709 --> 00:33:38.389 Sarah: Alison, do it. 00:33:38.949 --> 00:33:42.309 Alison: I don't know if I told anybody about this, but my mom, but I had this 00:33:42.309 --> 00:33:44.269 idea kind of around Christmas time. 00:33:44.269 --> 00:33:48.679 I need to, I need to act upon it how ADHD of me, I want to get a 00:33:48.679 --> 00:33:54.173 typewriter, an old typewriter, and I want to create little micro poetry 00:33:54.558 --> 00:33:54.978 Matt: Yes, 00:33:55.219 --> 00:33:56.899 Alison: And then take pictures of that and like put 00:33:56.964 --> 00:33:57.384 Sarah: Yes. 00:33:58.159 --> 00:34:00.019 Alison: Like that's what I want to, to create. 00:34:00.096 --> 00:34:02.736 So how on brand of me did I want to create art, but with words. 00:34:03.031 --> 00:34:06.844 Sarah: But it's, it's exactly what, what all of us should do is figure 00:34:06.844 --> 00:34:11.944 out those strong parts and use them to pull up the parts that we want to grow. 00:34:12.184 --> 00:34:12.274 Mm-hmm. 00:34:12.279 --> 00:34:14.044 And that's exactly what you just said. 00:34:14.738 --> 00:34:17.508 So mixed media are even like cutting them out, putting 'em, 00:34:17.618 --> 00:34:18.758 taking a picture, all of it. 00:34:18.758 --> 00:34:20.888 Like even the graphic design portion of it. 00:34:20.888 --> 00:34:21.098 Yeah. 00:34:21.191 --> 00:34:23.718 Alison: And I have to give, Evan credit where credit is due. 00:34:24.258 --> 00:34:29.928 Wanting to push on that as Evan is a vastly talented artist, graphic designer. 00:34:30.108 --> 00:34:32.388 So I went to him a few weeks ago and said, okay, I've kind 00:34:32.388 --> 00:34:34.428 of got some downtime work wise. 00:34:34.938 --> 00:34:37.188 I'd like to work on graphic design. 00:34:37.188 --> 00:34:42.168 And so he has every morning reminded me to do my studies, which is 00:34:42.168 --> 00:34:43.998 huge cuz I need that consistency. 00:34:43.998 --> 00:34:45.708 And he has been my rock for it. 00:34:46.518 --> 00:34:49.908 And you know, then, you know, like waits until I tell him I'm done with my day's 00:34:49.908 --> 00:34:52.968 lessons, asks me what questions I have. 00:34:52.998 --> 00:34:56.593 He's asked me to teach him things knowing that like my teaching 00:34:56.598 --> 00:34:57.933 will reinforce my learning. 00:34:57.963 --> 00:35:02.973 Like so find you and Evan Bivins, everybody who is going to support you and 00:35:02.973 --> 00:35:04.863 pair with you in this very specific way. 00:35:05.013 --> 00:35:05.763 I'm making Sarah 00:35:05.833 --> 00:35:07.153 Sarah: It's beautiful. 00:35:07.453 --> 00:35:08.203 beautiful? 00:35:08.493 --> 00:35:08.763 Alison: are 00:35:09.493 --> 00:35:10.153 Sarah: I love it. 00:35:10.153 --> 00:35:10.243 Yes. 00:35:10.243 --> 00:35:11.833 You want that for everybody Yeah. 00:35:11.863 --> 00:35:14.833 You want everybody to set up little communities for yourself. 00:35:14.833 --> 00:35:18.583 Where you have you both give that and do you have It from them? 00:35:18.853 --> 00:35:19.693 And it's beautiful. 00:35:20.023 --> 00:35:20.923 It is making me cry. 00:35:20.953 --> 00:35:21.373 Don't look at me. 00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:21.789 Matt: Okay. 00:35:21.789 --> 00:35:22.639 I won't look at you. 00:35:22.663 --> 00:35:24.553 what else you got Get I don't like the next one. 00:35:24.553 --> 00:35:25.123 Sarah: I know. 00:35:25.123 --> 00:35:25.753 Matt: I don't like the next one. 00:35:25.758 --> 00:35:28.603 Sarah: Of course, you don't like it because it pushes against that area 00:35:28.603 --> 00:35:29.803 that you don't feel comfortable with. 00:35:30.493 --> 00:35:32.503 Ditch your gps and use a map. 00:35:32.563 --> 00:35:32.923 Yeah. 00:35:33.213 --> 00:35:33.673 Alison: Absolutely. 00:35:33.913 --> 00:35:34.053 Sarah: Yeah. 00:35:34.053 --> 00:35:36.519 Both of you're like, no f no , but. 00:35:36.596 --> 00:35:40.226 I mean, and I'm not saying that's very like black and white binary 00:35:40.226 --> 00:35:43.556 of like the get rid of it, but like maybe once in a while. 00:35:43.556 --> 00:35:44.206 Matt: No, you're right. 00:35:44.211 --> 00:35:46.466 Sarah: I'm gonna get a map of this museum I've never been to 00:35:46.466 --> 00:35:48.886 and go try to follow Mm-hmm. 00:35:48.966 --> 00:35:48.967 . Okay. 00:35:48.972 --> 00:35:51.806 Little by like, that's how you think of attacking these things 00:35:51.811 --> 00:35:53.636 is like, I don't wanna do that. 00:35:53.636 --> 00:35:53.696 Yeah. 00:35:53.786 --> 00:35:58.286 But like, what part of it can you do to grow that you feel comfortable with? 00:35:58.856 --> 00:36:03.206 The next one y'all are gonna like, yeah, it's it's play video games, 00:36:03.296 --> 00:36:08.006 Tetris being like the, example that they gave of the visual spatial planning 00:36:08.006 --> 00:36:09.866 of this was gonna fall down here. 00:36:09.986 --> 00:36:10.676 And go here. 00:36:11.366 --> 00:36:17.636 But, uh, games in general where you have a map and a board and 00:36:17.636 --> 00:36:19.576 different characters moving around. 00:36:19.576 --> 00:36:19.896 Yes. 00:36:19.896 --> 00:36:23.156 D&D is, is helpful for growing this area. 00:36:23.156 --> 00:36:23.876 Matt: Yeah. 00:36:23.891 --> 00:36:26.941 Alison: Think so that's, and that's the genesis. 00:36:29.261 --> 00:36:29.681 Woo. 00:36:35.096 --> 00:36:38.456 Sarah: So I can tell you, you all are genius because you started this 00:36:38.456 --> 00:36:40.976 podcast and that it's, it's right. 00:36:41.096 --> 00:36:41.756 You're correct. 00:36:41.966 --> 00:36:42.386 Do it. 00:36:42.563 --> 00:36:44.543 Everybody play D&D right now. 00:36:45.443 --> 00:36:48.473 Another one is 3D puzzles or Legos or models. 00:36:48.528 --> 00:36:48.858 Matt: Okay. 00:36:48.888 --> 00:36:52.428 Sarah: Are helpful for building that area, working with brain teasers. 00:36:52.428 --> 00:36:57.644 Specifically ones involving patterns like Sudoku Build stuff like IKEA 00:36:57.644 --> 00:37:01.814 furniture or like again with Legos, if you're not gonna get into buying 00:37:01.814 --> 00:37:03.134 furniture and filling your house with it. 00:37:03.134 --> 00:37:03.524 Cause you built 00:37:04.874 --> 00:37:05.024 Matt: Yes. 00:37:05.024 --> 00:37:05.624 That is 00:37:05.984 --> 00:37:11.084 Sarah: Read books with lots of action and perhaps maps that you have to think 00:37:11.084 --> 00:37:13.574 about the characters moving around in. 00:37:14.054 --> 00:37:16.634 So think, think Lord of the Rings. 00:37:16.964 --> 00:37:22.004 Like, oh, where is where is this Where are they traveling to? 00:37:22.374 --> 00:37:22.734 Okay. 00:37:22.734 --> 00:37:29.107 Least like, and in conjunction with that, they said watching a movie that has a lot 00:37:29.107 --> 00:37:35.837 of action like Star Wars and then going over where the different scenes went to. 00:37:35.897 --> 00:37:36.077 Mm-hmm. 00:37:36.317 --> 00:37:36.947 are helpful. 00:37:37.057 --> 00:37:37.357 Okay. 00:37:37.717 --> 00:37:37.987 Yeah. 00:37:38.077 --> 00:37:40.147 And learn and practice an instrument. 00:37:40.267 --> 00:37:41.887 Matt: That one is very interesting to me. 00:37:42.127 --> 00:37:43.507 Learn and practice an instrument. 00:37:43.697 --> 00:37:48.410 Was i, does that mean that I was inherently drawn to trying to improve my 00:37:48.410 --> 00:37:50.510 visual spatial by learning instruments? 00:37:50.570 --> 00:37:55.534 Sarah: Well, the wonderful thing is music is inspiring and then that's the thing 00:37:55.539 --> 00:37:59.254 is like, I don't know, I was drawn to theater, I was dyslexic and the theater 00:37:59.254 --> 00:38:01.114 helped me become a better reader. 00:38:01.144 --> 00:38:01.474 Matt: Interesting. 00:38:01.774 --> 00:38:02.794 Sarah: Like build my language. 00:38:02.824 --> 00:38:02.914 Matt: Mm-hmm. 00:38:03.154 --> 00:38:06.574 . Sarah: And I don't, there's something also to, to be said about 00:38:06.574 --> 00:38:09.034 this that I was gonna wait till later, but I'll say it right now. 00:38:09.364 --> 00:38:09.994 Magic. 00:38:10.264 --> 00:38:11.974 Your brain is freaking magic. 00:38:12.034 --> 00:38:14.284 There are things that we don't understand 00:38:14.444 --> 00:38:14.724 Matt: Mm-hmm. 00:38:14.804 --> 00:38:18.214 Sarah: That are just like, how could two of us with looking at the areas 00:38:18.214 --> 00:38:22.294 where we struggle the most and then just naturally have chosen things 00:38:22.299 --> 00:38:22.484 Matt: mm-hmm. 00:38:22.564 --> 00:38:23.974 Sarah: that are gonna build that up. 00:38:23.997 --> 00:38:28.642 Alison: Matt, you've, written a blog about that in the far and distant past. 00:38:28.642 --> 00:38:31.202 Like not only did you play instruments, but it's why you 00:38:31.202 --> 00:38:32.522 were a multi-instrumentalist. 00:38:32.522 --> 00:38:37.022 It was your ADHD serving you to kind of pick things up and 00:38:37.022 --> 00:38:38.702 it at least become proficient. 00:38:38.702 --> 00:38:39.432 How very Bard 00:38:39.667 --> 00:38:40.227 Matt: Right? 00:38:40.697 --> 00:38:41.187 Yeah. 00:38:41.237 --> 00:38:43.277 Alison: It's the, jack of all trades, master of none 00:38:43.407 --> 00:38:44.007 Matt: Yes, Yes. 00:38:44.592 --> 00:38:45.492 That's interesting. 00:38:45.560 --> 00:38:48.849 So I am not a master of any one of the instruments. 00:38:49.029 --> 00:38:53.869 There is always a point where I, not for boredom, simply 00:38:53.869 --> 00:38:56.269 because I wanted more and more. 00:38:56.636 --> 00:39:01.016 I feel like maybe what this is really saying is learn 00:39:01.316 --> 00:39:03.596 and practice one instrument. 00:39:03.646 --> 00:39:06.691 Sarah: Pick one that really inspires and interests that's 00:39:06.691 --> 00:39:08.071 the other thing is motivation. 00:39:08.071 --> 00:39:12.241 When you, when you have ADHD and you can get into the hyperfocus, you can 00:39:12.241 --> 00:39:14.131 really work on building the area. 00:39:14.131 --> 00:39:18.451 But the funny thing is, Matt, I was like, oh, of course Matt does that already. 00:39:18.451 --> 00:39:22.111 So this is so interesting because we're adults and we took this test, 00:39:22.166 --> 00:39:27.356 and it could be that all of us started like in the way low below average. 00:39:27.361 --> 00:39:27.666 Matt: Mm-hmm. 00:39:27.746 --> 00:39:29.266 Sarah: And the work we have been doing. 00:39:29.316 --> 00:39:29.786 Oh yeah. 00:39:29.786 --> 00:39:29.906 Yeah. 00:39:29.906 --> 00:39:33.356 All the things here, like, reading the books, playing D&D, 00:39:33.536 --> 00:39:37.106 playing the instruments have gotten us to just within average. 00:39:37.106 --> 00:39:37.196 Matt: Mm-hmm. 00:39:37.441 --> 00:39:41.786 Sarah: All that work we've been doing has brought us up from really struggling 00:39:41.786 --> 00:39:43.576 with it to like being able to function. 00:39:43.976 --> 00:39:44.096 Matt: Yeah. 00:39:44.736 --> 00:39:48.956 Sarah: And you want to, all of us, everybody wants to, be like above average. 00:39:48.956 --> 00:39:49.826 Let's get up there. 00:39:49.826 --> 00:39:55.299 But like, you have to celebrate when you start, like in, the mud and you like 00:39:55.299 --> 00:39:59.199 pull yourself up to like sitting in a chair and you're like, but I wanna run. 00:39:59.259 --> 00:40:01.479 And you're like, okay, but you were in the mud. 00:40:01.509 --> 00:40:01.929 Okay. 00:40:02.319 --> 00:40:02.559 Matt: Right. 00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:05.159 Alison: At ADHd20, we celebrate mediocrity. 00:40:05.259 --> 00:40:06.249 Sarah: Hard. 00:40:06.519 --> 00:40:07.919 Celebrate hard. 00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:08.789 Celebrate it. 00:40:08.789 --> 00:40:09.329 Hard. 00:40:10.689 --> 00:40:11.469 And reach goals. 00:40:11.469 --> 00:40:13.509 Like, we've all got so many goals. 00:40:13.509 --> 00:40:15.814 it's the process of sitting with, somebody Yeah. 00:40:15.814 --> 00:40:19.864 And really listening And saying, okay, this is where you are. 00:40:20.224 --> 00:40:21.724 this doesn't work for you. 00:40:21.784 --> 00:40:22.924 You love this. 00:40:22.984 --> 00:40:24.514 Let's find something together. 00:40:24.574 --> 00:40:24.784 Matt: Right. 00:40:24.814 --> 00:40:28.264 Sarah: That is sustainable and works for you gets that needle 00:40:28.269 --> 00:40:30.034 moving, which makes you feel good. 00:40:30.034 --> 00:40:30.904 It empowers you. 00:40:30.904 --> 00:40:33.394 You're like, I can I can do this. 00:40:33.464 --> 00:40:36.704 Matt: I want everyone that ever listens to this podcast, this episode to 00:40:36.704 --> 00:40:38.294 take, to be able to take this test. 00:40:38.384 --> 00:40:38.954 I really do. 00:40:39.024 --> 00:40:39.624 I do, too. 00:40:39.764 --> 00:40:45.362 And I know that they can't, but however, Sarah, if they wanted to work with you, as 00:40:45.362 --> 00:40:50.642 a person and to, to glean your knowledge and delight and joy and excitement and, 00:40:50.642 --> 00:40:54.720 and, experience, How, would they get in touch with you to start that relationship. 00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:57.120 Sarah: Oh my gosh, that's so nice of you. 00:40:57.150 --> 00:41:00.630 Cuz I am trying to build that because I have ADHD, I have been 00:41:00.630 --> 00:41:02.790 focusing on my jewelry business. 00:41:02.833 --> 00:41:04.813 Cosmic Octopus Creations. 00:41:04.818 --> 00:41:04.843 Ooh. 00:41:04.873 --> 00:41:08.263 and just was, have been building and focusing a lot on that. 00:41:08.263 --> 00:41:12.823 But now I'm shifting to the coaching, mentoring, executive functioning and 00:41:12.823 --> 00:41:16.990 I probably will eventually change this, but you can find me online. 00:41:17.290 --> 00:41:19.390 Sarah Mobley, I'm all over those things. 00:41:19.390 --> 00:41:19.420 Okay. 00:41:19.690 --> 00:41:25.579 And then My email, which I'll give out is AlbinaTritina at gmail.com. 00:41:25.759 --> 00:41:26.829 It's spelled crazy. 00:41:26.959 --> 00:41:33.449 So A-L-B-I-N-A-T-R-I-T-I-N-A. 00:41:33.667 --> 00:41:35.287 And if you're like, what the hell is that? 00:41:35.617 --> 00:41:36.787 Matt: What the hell is that? 00:41:37.107 --> 00:41:40.167 Sarah: It is my great-great grandmother's name. 00:41:40.167 --> 00:41:40.257 Mm-hmm. 00:41:40.500 --> 00:41:43.290 . And she's buried in the cemetery up the street. 00:41:44.310 --> 00:41:44.970 Matt: That's right. 00:41:44.970 --> 00:41:45.510 That's right. 00:41:45.610 --> 00:41:47.080 From your Chicago kin, right? 00:41:47.380 --> 00:41:48.140 Sarah: Didn't know. 00:41:48.195 --> 00:41:51.340 Bought a house close to my great-great grandmother's grave. 00:41:52.423 --> 00:41:57.598 So many things similarly with y'all, I am all about figuring 00:41:57.603 --> 00:41:59.868 out this thing together. 00:41:59.928 --> 00:42:00.078 Yeah. 00:42:00.138 --> 00:42:05.121 In, in accordance and community with others and, and saying, 00:42:06.231 --> 00:42:07.641 you're great the way you are. 00:42:08.361 --> 00:42:09.111 Whatever you wanna do. 00:42:09.381 --> 00:42:09.531 Yeah. 00:42:09.536 --> 00:42:10.791 You're gonna be great at that too. 00:42:10.961 --> 00:42:11.401 Yeah, 00:42:11.841 --> 00:42:12.411 Matt: It's true. 00:42:12.411 --> 00:42:13.491 She is the best at that. 00:42:13.491 --> 00:42:16.101 There's No one I know, but that can, that, that is better at 00:42:16.101 --> 00:42:18.021 that than you not one person. 00:42:18.148 --> 00:42:21.868 Um, and, And it has been such an amazing, amazing gift that 00:42:21.873 --> 00:42:23.158 you came on this podcast. 00:42:23.608 --> 00:42:26.098 Sarah: I, I'm so thankful for the moment I heard it. 00:42:26.098 --> 00:42:29.638 I was like, and, and I do want you all. 00:42:30.208 --> 00:42:33.408 Since I've come and talked to you about your, all of these, your brain. 00:42:33.408 --> 00:42:33.468 Yeah. 00:42:33.918 --> 00:42:36.258 Maybe you can play D&D with me. 00:42:37.608 --> 00:42:39.348 Matt: Just play more. 00:42:39.348 --> 00:42:40.548 Play more, play 00:42:40.748 --> 00:42:41.528 Alison: Yes. 00:42:42.058 --> 00:42:46.948 I am so happy, privileged, and grateful to have finally gotten 00:42:46.948 --> 00:42:48.268 to meet my new best friend. 00:42:48.748 --> 00:42:49.498 Uh, that's. 00:42:49.541 --> 00:42:49.941 Sarah: Yeah. 00:42:49.941 --> 00:42:51.481 I'm like, oh my God, I'm so excited. 00:42:51.486 --> 00:42:54.061 Matt: Y'all are gonna be peas in a pod. 00:42:54.066 --> 00:42:54.101 Sarah: Pod. 00:42:54.183 --> 00:42:56.493 Alison: We're gonna be out here like some blue hair and old 00:42:56.493 --> 00:43:02.703 ladies in our loud colors with our big glasses, just embracing 00:43:02.703 --> 00:43:05.463 every single quirk and forgetting 00:43:05.488 --> 00:43:08.698 Sarah: Partying on the street and being like, love your life people. 00:43:08.698 --> 00:43:09.418 Yeah! 00:43:10.066 --> 00:43:10.486 Alison: Yes. 00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:11.330 Yep. 00:43:11.948 --> 00:43:17.008 Well, Sarah, we love you and your energy and everything that you bring, and will 00:43:17.028 --> 00:43:20.598 continue to bring, thank you so much for, you know, shedding your sparkle, 00:43:21.193 --> 00:43:22.033 Sarah: Thank you so much. 00:43:22.403 --> 00:43:23.354 So I love you. 00:43:23.359 --> 00:43:25.963 I love your community on Discord. 00:43:25.968 --> 00:43:29.203 I they just think, I think everybody that you are in your 00:43:29.203 --> 00:43:32.023 beautiful dancing tornadoes. 00:43:32.728 --> 00:43:36.688 Life drawing in magnetizing to yourselves. 00:43:36.688 --> 00:43:38.518 and they're dancing with you. 00:43:38.518 --> 00:43:40.198 And I mean, me too and the, tornado. 00:43:40.498 --> 00:43:40.768 Beautiful. 00:43:41.058 --> 00:43:43.978 Matt: The dancing tornado sounds like a high school dance core team. 00:43:44.128 --> 00:43:44.458 I love it. 00:43:44.458 --> 00:43:45.418 Sarah: I think we should start one. 00:43:45.478 --> 00:43:46.378 Matt: I think we're gonna start one 00:43:46.378 --> 00:43:47.008 Sarah: Since dance is one, 00:43:47.008 --> 00:43:47.848 Matt: Because I need to, yeah. 00:43:48.028 --> 00:43:48.418 Okay. 00:43:48.418 --> 00:43:48.688 Great. 00:43:48.688 --> 00:43:48.988 Great. 00:43:49.170 --> 00:43:52.550 Alison: If you're not a dancing tornado, what are you even doing with your life? 00:43:52.975 --> 00:43:53.395 Matt: Don't know. 00:43:53.815 --> 00:43:54.375 Dunno. 00:43:54.595 --> 00:43:56.185 Awe and Wonder Woman!