WEBVTT Kind: captions Language: en-GB 00:00:08.310 --> 00:00:12.459 I'm Travis Bader, and this is the Silvercore Podcast. 00:00:13.959 --> 00:00:17.910 Silvercore has been providing its members with a skills and knowledge 00:00:17.910 --> 00:00:22.770 necessary to be confident and proficient in the outdoors for over 20 years, and 00:00:22.770 --> 00:00:27.120 we make it easier for people to deepen their connection to the natural world. 00:00:27.720 --> 00:00:32.640 If you enjoy the positive and educational content we provide, please let 00:00:32.640 --> 00:00:37.730 others know by sharing commenting and following so that you can join in on 00:00:37.790 --> 00:00:39.620 everything that Silvercore stands for. 00:00:40.700 --> 00:00:43.580 If you'd like to learn more about becoming a member of the Silvercore 00:00:43.580 --> 00:00:48.250 Club and community, visit our website at Silvercore.ca 00:01:07.490 --> 00:01:07.610 I'm 00:01:07.610 --> 00:01:13.370 sitting down with Jesse Bone Jesse's with filter studios, and he said, Travis, 00:01:14.450 --> 00:01:16.550 I've got a new movie putting it out. 00:01:16.550 --> 00:01:17.750 It hasn't been released yet. 00:01:17.780 --> 00:01:18.800 It's called transmission. 00:01:18.860 --> 00:01:21.350 I'd like to watch it with you first in the studio. 00:01:21.770 --> 00:01:26.300 And as we roll credits, we can then turn the recording on and talk about it. 00:01:27.050 --> 00:01:31.160 So this is a very interesting movie, extremely well done. 00:01:31.310 --> 00:01:33.590 You guys did a fantastic job putting this together. 00:01:33.650 --> 00:01:34.150 Thank you. 00:01:35.429 --> 00:01:40.020 It's called transmission and it talks about movie or, uh, 00:01:40.080 --> 00:01:43.350 Michael plasma of over pneumonia. 00:01:43.380 --> 00:01:44.009 Did I say that the 00:01:44.009 --> 00:01:46.710 pneumonia, pneumonia, mycoplasma. 00:01:46.970 --> 00:01:47.470 Pneumonia. 00:01:47.669 --> 00:01:48.169 Okay. 00:01:48.990 --> 00:01:55.320 Can you first give me a little bit of a background on yourself and 00:01:55.320 --> 00:01:57.929 then about the movie, and we're going to talk about both of these. 00:01:58.919 --> 00:01:59.429 Okay. 00:01:59.640 --> 00:02:00.570 Um, yeah. 00:02:00.600 --> 00:02:03.539 So again, well, first of all, thanks for having me here. 00:02:03.720 --> 00:02:10.800 Um, thanks for trying something new, um, and viewing the film and, um, yeah. 00:02:11.220 --> 00:02:12.390 Going through it this way. 00:02:12.420 --> 00:02:13.650 Um, being. 00:02:14.625 --> 00:02:15.975 Unprepared, I guess. 00:02:16.065 --> 00:02:18.975 Um, and, and just kind of looking at the film and then talking about it. 00:02:18.975 --> 00:02:24.375 So, um, background on me, um, I don't know how far back do you want to go? 00:02:24.675 --> 00:02:25.845 Well, you're a pilot, 00:02:25.845 --> 00:02:26.345 aren't you? 00:02:27.075 --> 00:02:27.405 Okay. 00:02:27.405 --> 00:02:28.005 Let's start there. 00:02:28.155 --> 00:02:33.885 So, um, yeah, coming out of high school, I knew I was dead set on becoming a pilot. 00:02:33.915 --> 00:02:36.675 So that was my, that was my career path. 00:02:36.705 --> 00:02:41.355 I, uh, I was a bit of a dummy in high school and I was a C plus student. 00:02:41.355 --> 00:02:46.125 So I, I, uh, worked extra hard and got my math up and then applied to flight 00:02:46.125 --> 00:02:50.445 school in Abbotsford to, it was the university college of the Fraser valley. 00:02:51.405 --> 00:02:58.065 Now UFE, um, and did, uh, worked pretty hard to get into the program. 00:02:58.125 --> 00:03:02.025 I remember going through a big application process and interview, which was crazy, 00:03:02.025 --> 00:03:07.545 but got in, um, for the bachelor of business administration in aviation. 00:03:07.665 --> 00:03:09.675 And, uh, I got my pilots license there. 00:03:10.515 --> 00:03:16.605 Um, and then, um, after that became a flight dispatcher to not become a pilot. 00:03:17.025 --> 00:03:21.495 Um, so I got a little preview into the industry and, uh, I 00:03:21.495 --> 00:03:24.975 was a flight dispatcher for, for awhile, for a small airline. 00:03:24.975 --> 00:03:30.255 And I really found out that being a pilot and, uh, being away a long time 00:03:30.255 --> 00:03:35.145 and just that lifestyle wasn't really, it wasn't really, for me, not for everybody. 00:03:35.445 --> 00:03:35.955 Yeah. 00:03:35.985 --> 00:03:37.095 Yeah. I love flying. 00:03:37.155 --> 00:03:40.485 Um, the, the idea of flying, you know, flying small planes is. 00:03:41.310 --> 00:03:42.810 Is a, is a big passion. 00:03:43.320 --> 00:03:46.350 Um, but uh, the career path didn't work out. 00:03:46.530 --> 00:03:52.290 So I, uh, um, just kind of messed around in the lower mainland, had 00:03:52.290 --> 00:03:54.060 a bunch of miscellaneous jobs. 00:03:54.060 --> 00:03:58.320 And I remember I was in Ikea furniture, um, installer for a while. 00:03:58.320 --> 00:04:00.780 That was fun out of the Ikea here in Richmond. 00:04:01.405 --> 00:04:06.415 Um, and, uh, yeah, and then, uh, my wife and I got married and we moved 00:04:06.415 --> 00:04:11.605 to the island and kind of put roots down there unintentionally, but 00:04:11.605 --> 00:04:14.335 we just kind of, we call it on the island, we call it barnacle cling. 00:04:14.545 --> 00:04:18.834 So we just barnacled on the island and, uh, haven't really, haven't really 00:04:19.015 --> 00:04:21.385 stopped, loving it, loving living there. 00:04:21.445 --> 00:04:22.525 It's a local island term. 00:04:22.525 --> 00:04:23.094 Is it Barney, 00:04:23.455 --> 00:04:24.955 Barney tickling our barnacle. 00:04:25.135 --> 00:04:25.495 I don't know. 00:04:25.495 --> 00:04:28.795 You just don't go anywhere because we're, we're pretty happy on the island. 00:04:28.795 --> 00:04:32.455 So it's, uh, it's difficult to, to get us to come off of the islands. 00:04:33.655 --> 00:04:34.155 Okay. 00:04:35.034 --> 00:04:39.414 Um, and then, yeah, just to just kind of found fuddled around 00:04:39.414 --> 00:04:40.945 for a little while, and then I. 00:04:41.674 --> 00:04:46.685 After we had my son, um, I decided to, as, as we have a new baby, 00:04:46.685 --> 00:04:50.195 decided to start a new career in my own business as a photographer. 00:04:50.765 --> 00:04:54.784 So it was a photographer for three years, you know, started out in weddings, 00:04:54.905 --> 00:04:57.844 got, uh, did portrait photography. 00:04:58.115 --> 00:04:59.164 Did you have a background of that? 00:04:59.164 --> 00:05:01.445 Or you just pick up a camera and say, I'm going to be a photographer. 00:05:01.505 --> 00:05:01.895 That's 00:05:01.895 --> 00:05:05.044 pretty much it learn DIY trained myself, 00:05:05.075 --> 00:05:06.125 just watching Peter McKinnon 00:05:06.125 --> 00:05:07.164 on the YouTube. 00:05:07.205 --> 00:05:08.195 Again, didn't exist. 00:05:08.195 --> 00:05:13.414 When I was starting, I was re I was like that part of that new wave of 00:05:13.414 --> 00:05:17.075 when digital cameras started to come out, like when the, when the five D 00:05:17.075 --> 00:05:20.580 came out, that was like, Revolutionary. 00:05:20.640 --> 00:05:21.060 It was. 00:05:21.060 --> 00:05:23.760 Yeah, but they also brought in, so the five D and five D mark 00:05:23.760 --> 00:05:25.470 two brought video to the variety. 00:05:25.520 --> 00:05:26.040 Exactly. 00:05:26.070 --> 00:05:28.680 So you got a little flavor for video at the same time as doing 00:05:28.770 --> 00:05:29.250 well. 00:05:29.250 --> 00:05:33.060 I, I was pretty, I was pretty deep in the wedding photography scene. 00:05:33.060 --> 00:05:37.710 I even hosted some, uh, some like gatherings and workshops who brought 00:05:37.710 --> 00:05:41.220 some friends from New York, some pretty high end wedding photographers. 00:05:41.220 --> 00:05:44.700 And the weird thing that was happening around that time was this thing called. 00:05:45.840 --> 00:05:51.180 So it was where, um, wedding photographers or photographers are starting to roll 00:05:51.180 --> 00:05:53.010 video clips while they were shooting. 00:05:53.400 --> 00:05:57.840 And then they do like a slideshow and then they'd show like the bride 00:05:57.870 --> 00:06:03.630 and the groom pictures of their first viewing, but then they'd roll 00:06:03.630 --> 00:06:05.370 a little clip in there as well. 00:06:05.400 --> 00:06:10.800 So it was like this like mix of videos, like an awkward stage for video and photo. 00:06:10.800 --> 00:06:11.300 Right. 00:06:11.340 --> 00:06:17.100 Because never had a photographer, had the ability to roll video so easily, right. 00:06:17.130 --> 00:06:19.470 From the same camera that they could get the same pictures 00:06:19.470 --> 00:06:19.920 from. 00:06:19.920 --> 00:06:22.080 That was revolutionary when they came out with that. 00:06:22.080 --> 00:06:22.440 Yeah. 00:06:22.440 --> 00:06:22.940 Yeah. 00:06:23.370 --> 00:06:24.600 Yeah. So I was part of that. 00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:30.240 And so, you know, me being a photographer, um, the way that, you know, kind of 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:35.280 filter started, um, Tasha and I knew each other from the photography scene. 00:06:35.310 --> 00:06:40.920 Um, we were both on the island in an IMO and, um, I was starting to get a bunch 00:06:40.920 --> 00:06:42.660 of clients, ask for video projects. 00:06:42.870 --> 00:06:46.500 And then he, he was working at the news station and he was getting 00:06:46.500 --> 00:06:50.910 a bunch of side jobs and people asking him to do side work as well. 00:06:50.940 --> 00:06:55.710 Cause he did like, you know, the, you know, come down and pick up a car and 00:06:56.070 --> 00:06:59.970 come down to Bob's junkyard and you know, we'd give you a car for $500 00:06:59.970 --> 00:07:03.180 or whatever he did those commercials and it wasn't really fulfilling his 00:07:03.180 --> 00:07:06.000 creative side, I would have thought. 00:07:07.050 --> 00:07:07.440 Yeah. 00:07:07.440 --> 00:07:12.330 So it, um, so yeah, it was just this, this weird time where this fusion was 00:07:12.330 --> 00:07:14.520 happening, video and photo were melding. 00:07:14.520 --> 00:07:16.950 And I was like, I know how to shoot photos. 00:07:16.950 --> 00:07:20.160 I got a ton of people asking me to do video, like should, can 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:21.240 we work together or something? 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:23.790 And then we just kind of sat down and decided. 00:07:25.020 --> 00:07:26.190 Heck let's just do it. 00:07:26.580 --> 00:07:28.890 Let's just jump right in and start doing video. 00:07:28.890 --> 00:07:29.190 Yeah. 00:07:29.190 --> 00:07:32.099 I remember the day peeling, my Jesse bone photography stickers 00:07:32.099 --> 00:07:33.390 off the side of my truck. 00:07:33.510 --> 00:07:37.020 And, uh, and then the next, we were just all of a sudden the video 00:07:37.020 --> 00:07:38.789 production company, your filter studios. 00:07:38.849 --> 00:07:39.419 That's right. 00:07:39.570 --> 00:07:40.070 Oh man. 00:07:40.469 --> 00:07:43.020 It took us forever to find a name forever. 00:07:44.039 --> 00:07:48.580 Well, w again, it was, um, you know, we looked at what we kind of do and 00:07:48.580 --> 00:07:51.780 we, we kind of filter things through and we, we, cause what we really 00:07:51.780 --> 00:07:55.500 do is take a lot on from the client and help by the translate that, or 00:07:55.500 --> 00:07:57.419 remind them more or help build out. 00:07:57.479 --> 00:08:02.400 Um, I don't like to say strategy, but it is a strategy to accomplish their goal. 00:08:02.640 --> 00:08:06.890 So we kind of filter things just a little cheesy, but whatever it works, it works. 00:08:07.080 --> 00:08:07.710 It works. 00:08:08.849 --> 00:08:09.090 Yeah. 00:08:09.090 --> 00:08:16.995 So that's kind of, um, how filter started and then Tasha and I, uh, Started 00:08:16.995 --> 00:08:18.945 filter and we were a be all and end all. 00:08:18.945 --> 00:08:21.165 We just did video production to pay the bills. 00:08:21.285 --> 00:08:23.175 That's all, all we kind of did. 00:08:23.715 --> 00:08:29.025 Um, and about fi I would say about six years into it. 00:08:29.445 --> 00:08:33.165 Um, we, um, it was, it was actually kind of crazy. 00:08:33.165 --> 00:08:37.245 We, I emailed some, some well-known people in the industry and I just said, Hey, we 00:08:37.245 --> 00:08:41.745 have a client that said they, um, they wanted to do a feature length documentary, 00:08:41.775 --> 00:08:43.635 not this one, a previous client. 00:08:44.235 --> 00:08:46.335 And I'm like, can you help us? 00:08:46.605 --> 00:08:48.315 Can you, like, I don't have a mentor. 00:08:48.315 --> 00:08:51.915 We don't, we don't look, we don't know what to do, so we'll figure it out. 00:08:51.915 --> 00:08:53.535 But is there anything you have to offer? 00:08:54.015 --> 00:08:57.255 And they're like, come on down to Portland, um, we'll sit you down 00:08:57.255 --> 00:09:00.255 for four or five days and we'll talk it through and we'll work it out. 00:09:00.885 --> 00:09:05.715 And, um, through that, they kind of mentored us and we kind 00:09:05.715 --> 00:09:06.885 of started a mentorship with. 00:09:07.920 --> 00:09:12.270 But through that, um, they kind of asked us some key questions about looking 00:09:12.270 --> 00:09:15.780 a little bit deeper into what we do. 00:09:16.050 --> 00:09:22.770 And so we, um, you know, came back from that mentorship, um, 00:09:22.800 --> 00:09:24.900 and just kind of evaluated. 00:09:24.990 --> 00:09:26.670 They essentially asked us one question. 00:09:26.700 --> 00:09:29.970 They said, what do you want your work to say, when you put the 00:09:29.970 --> 00:09:31.770 cameras up at the end of your career? 00:09:32.070 --> 00:09:33.840 And he said, we never thought about that. 00:09:33.960 --> 00:09:36.570 We'd just been like heads down, grinding to pay bills. 00:09:36.600 --> 00:09:37.100 Right. 00:09:37.140 --> 00:09:42.630 Like we've never come up for air and said, uh, I don't know that we could pay bills 00:09:42.870 --> 00:09:44.340 what a game changer. 00:09:44.400 --> 00:09:45.720 So Mindshift. 00:09:45.750 --> 00:09:46.140 Yeah. 00:09:46.140 --> 00:09:48.630 And it was just one small question because to them, it was 00:09:48.630 --> 00:09:49.680 like, yeah, what do you think? 00:09:49.680 --> 00:09:52.680 And we're like, oh my gosh, we haven't even thought about that. 00:09:52.680 --> 00:09:55.650 So then we, then we, um, we came back. 00:09:56.805 --> 00:10:00.105 Um, Tasha and I both love to hunt and fish and be in the outdoors. 00:10:00.405 --> 00:10:04.035 And so we said, okay, let's focus in on the hunting and fishing industry. 00:10:04.035 --> 00:10:05.415 Cause that's, what's closest to us. 00:10:05.775 --> 00:10:10.095 So whatever's near and dear to us can really, um, translate better as a 00:10:10.095 --> 00:10:13.275 creative and um, those types of things. 00:10:13.665 --> 00:10:18.705 Um, so then, so it's been about five years. 00:10:18.705 --> 00:10:22.245 Yeah, we've been, we've been a production company for coming up on 10 years now. 00:10:22.635 --> 00:10:28.485 So for about five, four or five years of it, um, we've really focused on doing, you 00:10:28.485 --> 00:10:32.085 know, conservation minded work, whether that's on the ocean or the mountains. 00:10:32.535 --> 00:10:37.455 Um, and it's just translated into doing more meaningful, uh, more 00:10:37.455 --> 00:10:42.075 passion-driven work, which depending on the goal, but most, most, uh, 00:10:42.165 --> 00:10:43.635 most clients want that kind of thing. 00:10:43.995 --> 00:10:45.045 Does that pay the bills? 00:10:45.285 --> 00:10:47.325 That's the, that's the golden question. 00:10:47.715 --> 00:10:51.065 Um, and that's, that's the waters you're navigating, right? 00:10:51.075 --> 00:10:51.575 So. 00:10:52.890 --> 00:10:56.820 Yeah, it doesn't fully pay the bills, but we're getting close. 00:10:57.240 --> 00:10:57.740 Right. 00:10:57.870 --> 00:11:01.620 It's um, just because, especially when you deal with the nonprofit 00:11:01.620 --> 00:11:07.080 world, which is a lot of what these are, and you just have to put your 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:11.760 passion first and know things that will kind of work out towards the end. 00:11:11.760 --> 00:11:12.210 So 00:11:12.210 --> 00:11:13.740 the universal and folders, it should. 00:11:13.830 --> 00:11:15.060 Yes, exactly. 00:11:15.120 --> 00:11:19.650 You know, I honestly do believe that if you put whatever your goal is, 00:11:20.340 --> 00:11:22.980 make it a worthwhile goal, make it something that's worthwhile to you 00:11:23.130 --> 00:11:25.740 and he make that your guiding light, your north star, everything else will 00:11:25.740 --> 00:11:27.240 figure itself out in the process. 00:11:27.660 --> 00:11:30.390 If you're worrying too much about, is that going to pay the bills and 00:11:30.690 --> 00:11:34.370 make that your motivator and make that your driving light, you're 00:11:34.380 --> 00:11:35.820 going to lose art in the passion. 00:11:35.850 --> 00:11:40.020 And you're probably not going to have the money that you're chasing anyways. 00:11:40.020 --> 00:11:40.860 You're going to be behind that. 00:11:41.040 --> 00:11:41.430 Yeah. 00:11:41.430 --> 00:11:41.930 Yeah. 00:11:42.170 --> 00:11:43.140 It's so true. 00:11:43.140 --> 00:11:46.650 And it's such a, I think an underrated mentality. 00:11:47.385 --> 00:11:54.735 Um, towards, especially self-employment, uh, creative self-employment is like 00:11:54.765 --> 00:11:59.715 grind yourself into a pulp and try to get the job done and put it out 00:11:59.715 --> 00:12:00.215 there. 00:12:00.255 --> 00:12:03.405 Well, you start setting boundaries, both for yourself and for your 00:12:03.405 --> 00:12:08.625 clients boundaries as to what you will do where you'll go or, uh, sure. 00:12:08.625 --> 00:12:11.985 The money's good, but is this something I really think is going to be worthwhile? 00:12:11.985 --> 00:12:14.655 Will I feel good about myself after I finish this or yeah. 00:12:14.735 --> 00:12:15.765 Yeah, exactly. 00:12:15.945 --> 00:12:16.445 And. 00:12:17.250 --> 00:12:20.880 Uh, you know, I, I did a podcast with, uh, Lucas Hogue. 00:12:20.910 --> 00:12:26.460 He's a country music star, and he's talking about a very similar concept. 00:12:26.460 --> 00:12:28.760 He's been very successful with what he's done. 00:12:28.780 --> 00:12:32.130 He says, you know, P people come up and they want me to do a, B or C. 00:12:32.130 --> 00:12:34.830 They'll say, I want, can you give me a hundred grand? 00:12:34.830 --> 00:12:36.720 We've got this big thing that we're, we're putting together. 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:37.620 We need some donations. 00:12:37.620 --> 00:12:42.330 He says, no, but I have some talents and I can lend my talents to you. 00:12:42.330 --> 00:12:45.810 And through that, we can build, we can grow some revenue for you. 00:12:45.810 --> 00:12:50.130 We can build something for you, but he's making so many, both personal 00:12:50.130 --> 00:12:52.980 and business connections and he's doing something he truly loves. 00:12:53.730 --> 00:12:54.300 And it sounds like. 00:12:55.260 --> 00:12:56.370 A very similar sort of thing. 00:12:56.370 --> 00:12:59.250 You're looking at what it is that you love to do, and you're surrounding 00:12:59.250 --> 00:13:00.900 yourself with other like-minded people. 00:13:01.290 --> 00:13:01.620 Yeah. 00:13:01.620 --> 00:13:02.250 That's key. 00:13:02.250 --> 00:13:07.620 And, and a big thing that, um, a few years ago, Tasha and I really, 00:13:07.860 --> 00:13:13.020 um, as a company and as, I mean, we spend so much time together. 00:13:13.050 --> 00:13:17.850 My wife always, um, jokes, you know, when I say, oh, we're going to this place. 00:13:17.880 --> 00:13:19.610 Oh, we, we were going to Haiti for it. 00:13:19.610 --> 00:13:21.270 I'm like, oh, we're going to Haiti. 00:13:21.270 --> 00:13:22.230 And she's like, we're going to hit. 00:13:22.260 --> 00:13:23.670 I I'm like, oh no. 00:13:23.670 --> 00:13:29.700 I mean, Tasha and I, and she always jokes and says, I remember when we was us. 00:13:31.890 --> 00:13:34.260 So we'd spent a lot of time together and we've kind of. 00:13:34.980 --> 00:13:35.640 Grown a lot. 00:13:35.640 --> 00:13:38.970 We've made like, like we started hunting again at the same time 00:13:38.970 --> 00:13:41.070 together and kind of grew into that. 00:13:41.520 --> 00:13:46.410 Um, but it's, uh, yeah, it's just, it's been, uh, a crazy evolution. 00:13:47.430 --> 00:13:51.660 So you're now marrying your passion for the outdoors and for 00:13:51.660 --> 00:13:53.820 hunting and fishing with your work. 00:13:54.350 --> 00:13:56.850 You've been doing that for, so you've been doing the work on 00:13:56.850 --> 00:13:58.170 the video side for 10 years. 00:13:58.170 --> 00:14:01.890 How long have you been doing the mostly outdoors? 00:14:02.280 --> 00:14:08.444 Yeah, that's probably been about, uh, Five solid years of that, 00:14:08.535 --> 00:14:10.484 of really putting, putting out. 00:14:10.515 --> 00:14:14.324 I mean, we still have corporate work that we do, or you know, that we have 00:14:14.324 --> 00:14:19.005 to, I mean, we still have bills to pay, so, and it's, it's not like I'm doing 00:14:19.005 --> 00:14:22.425 nonprofit work, pays all the bills and pays some bills, but not all of them. 00:14:22.425 --> 00:14:26.444 So there's, there's other stuff that we do, um, along the way, but we've 00:14:26.444 --> 00:14:30.885 really tried to highlight this as the work that we want to do and, and 00:14:30.885 --> 00:14:34.694 for good reason, because it means something and therefore the work can do. 00:14:34.694 --> 00:14:41.925 And it's, it's honestly, um, When you get to do stuff that you're passionate about. 00:14:42.015 --> 00:14:43.725 And I mean, you're creative as well. 00:14:43.965 --> 00:14:49.875 You know that when, when you have, um, you know, when you get back from a shoot and 00:14:49.875 --> 00:14:54.525 you know, that you just loved the images so much, you're in there, you're starring, 00:14:54.555 --> 00:14:56.235 you're like, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. 00:14:56.235 --> 00:14:56.745 Quick edit. 00:14:56.775 --> 00:14:57.165 Oh yeah. 00:14:57.165 --> 00:15:00.225 It does look like you're just energized by it. 00:15:00.285 --> 00:15:00.785 Totally. 00:15:00.825 --> 00:15:04.995 So it's the same thing on, on a, on a, on a bigger scale when you're dealing 00:15:04.995 --> 00:15:08.505 with, you know, film, production and stuff, that means something to you. 00:15:09.375 --> 00:15:13.155 Um, and, and it kind of has these energizing moments along the way. 00:15:13.485 --> 00:15:16.365 So it's an issue that you're passionate about, but then all of a sudden, 00:15:16.365 --> 00:15:19.995 somebody that is also passionate about an issue, but then they also let you 00:15:19.995 --> 00:15:24.885 in, into their inner circle and share their story and share their passions. 00:15:25.155 --> 00:15:29.535 Then it's just, oh, there's another level of engagement and like of, 00:15:29.625 --> 00:15:34.425 of, of how it just touches to your core and a different level. 00:15:34.875 --> 00:15:36.765 Um, and it energizes. 00:15:38.280 --> 00:15:41.040 That's why I started this Silvercore Podcast, so people can 00:15:41.040 --> 00:15:44.699 share their passion with others and for my own selfish reasons. 00:15:44.969 --> 00:15:46.650 So I can share that as well. 00:15:46.650 --> 00:15:46.979 Right. 00:15:46.979 --> 00:15:50.430 Because that's, it's, it's infectious. 00:15:50.430 --> 00:15:51.240 It's contagious. 00:15:51.270 --> 00:15:51.449 Yeah. 00:15:51.449 --> 00:15:57.900 But do you find, do you find that having the camera with you outdoors takes you 00:15:57.900 --> 00:16:00.360 out of the outdoors that you love so much? 00:16:00.930 --> 00:16:01.469 Yeah. 00:16:01.500 --> 00:16:03.510 I think that's a maturing process. 00:16:03.599 --> 00:16:07.560 Um, there's, there's, it's like a. 00:16:09.584 --> 00:16:10.574 It evolves. 00:16:10.725 --> 00:16:15.925 I think in my, in my like, best way to put it, um, yes, there's been like a 00:16:15.944 --> 00:16:19.245 big thing that we did to start was we do a lot of productions and fishing, 00:16:19.334 --> 00:16:21.495 lots of we're on the river all the time. 00:16:21.855 --> 00:16:24.345 Um, I remember we were up fishing on the Nass river 00:16:24.345 --> 00:16:26.055 filming a steelhead fishing show. 00:16:26.505 --> 00:16:31.725 Um, and, um, I was like desperate to just, can I just grab the rod? 00:16:31.755 --> 00:16:35.834 And, um, up here there's like steel head, the size of Chinook salmon up here. 00:16:35.834 --> 00:16:37.215 Like it's just amazing. 00:16:37.665 --> 00:16:41.175 Um, and it was like four or five days and. 00:16:42.030 --> 00:16:46.710 It does get in the way a bit, but you're also like grad, you have gratitude and 00:16:46.710 --> 00:16:49.199 thankfulness that you are where you are and you're getting paid to be there. 00:16:49.350 --> 00:16:49.850 Sure. 00:16:49.860 --> 00:16:54.540 Um, and, and again, it's, it's a mix of, in my mind, just putting 00:16:54.540 --> 00:16:57.180 yourself in a different mode, like, okay, I'm here to shoot this. 00:16:57.330 --> 00:17:00.480 I'm not here to get, you know, I'll get what I can out of it by 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:01.800 doing a good job shooting this. 00:17:02.280 --> 00:17:07.319 Uh, I'm not gonna be like bummed out or, you know, I'm not gonna sacrifice 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:10.319 getting the shot because I'm like, oh, just put the camera down for a minute 00:17:10.319 --> 00:17:14.280 and I'll just go, you know, float one, one, swing, one fly over here. 00:17:14.700 --> 00:17:18.270 Um, and then meanwhile, you know, the guy gets a fish on and you 00:17:18.270 --> 00:17:19.139 missed the shot or whatever. 00:17:19.139 --> 00:17:20.550 It's like, I'm in this mode. 00:17:20.550 --> 00:17:22.079 Just be grateful for what you can get. 00:17:23.339 --> 00:17:27.420 So this movie that you just did, how long did it take you to do? 00:17:29.430 --> 00:17:32.160 Ah, that's the, actually the funny one about it, let's 00:17:32.160 --> 00:17:32.910 start at the beginning. 00:17:32.910 --> 00:17:34.080 Like how you got into it. 00:17:34.080 --> 00:17:35.070 Like you're interested in that. 00:17:36.795 --> 00:17:42.585 So, yeah, it, it all started back in, I think it's June of 2019, um, 00:17:42.615 --> 00:17:47.835 where, uh, Sabrina from the wild sheep society BC contacted us through, 00:17:48.195 --> 00:17:51.765 I think, a mutual contact, um, in the industry and just said, Hey, we 00:17:51.765 --> 00:17:55.335 have this, um, issue that's going on and we want to do a film about it. 00:17:55.335 --> 00:17:56.595 We don't know what the film is. 00:17:56.625 --> 00:17:58.155 We don't know what all we want to do. 00:17:58.185 --> 00:18:02.355 The main goal is to raise awareness about this, uh, disease 00:18:02.355 --> 00:18:03.615 mycoplasma over pneumonia. 00:18:04.125 --> 00:18:08.535 Um, and so we just dug in and we just learned about it. 00:18:08.595 --> 00:18:16.095 Um, there was, um, like when the, the farmers moved down, um, we just went and 00:18:16.095 --> 00:18:17.715 shot some stuff cause we didn't know. 00:18:17.715 --> 00:18:21.405 So we did this big discovery mission along the way of just like learning 00:18:21.405 --> 00:18:27.435 what the real issues are, learning what, um, this disease is and how it works. 00:18:28.005 --> 00:18:32.895 Uh, and so, um, back then, yeah, the society. 00:18:33.930 --> 00:18:35.760 We need to raise awareness of this. 00:18:35.760 --> 00:18:38.100 That's our number one goal is to raise awareness, but it 00:18:38.100 --> 00:18:39.450 needs to be a balanced message. 00:18:39.480 --> 00:18:44.070 It can't, can't say hunters are blaming farmers or vice versa. 00:18:44.100 --> 00:18:48.360 We need to just lay this out there as it's an issue that we can all collaborate 00:18:48.360 --> 00:18:52.290 with and we can all deal with at the same time when we're supporting each other. 00:18:52.440 --> 00:18:52.940 So. 00:18:54.135 --> 00:18:55.335 Some time working on us. 00:18:55.335 --> 00:18:56.925 You and I just watched a movie. 00:18:57.105 --> 00:19:00.855 The listeners might not know what movie is. 00:19:01.245 --> 00:19:01.815 Yes. 00:19:01.845 --> 00:19:04.785 Well, I mean, that's, that's the whole point of, of what the film is. 00:19:04.785 --> 00:19:09.765 So mycoplasma over pneumonia or movie for short is, uh, as a bacteria. 00:19:10.125 --> 00:19:15.705 So it's a bacteria that, um, originates in domestic sheep, um, and domestic 00:19:15.705 --> 00:19:19.095 sheep for thousands of years have been in close contact with each other. 00:19:19.455 --> 00:19:21.235 Um, they've learned and learn. 00:19:21.555 --> 00:19:25.155 I don't know if they've learned, but they've evolved and kind of, uh, grown 00:19:25.155 --> 00:19:27.855 with this bacteria and can live with it. 00:19:28.335 --> 00:19:31.725 Um, the issue that happens and it's similar to, you know, how we 00:19:31.725 --> 00:19:35.565 were dealing with COVID, um, is that it's spread through droplets. 00:19:35.805 --> 00:19:40.965 So, so nose to nose, contact or sneezing or sharing grazing grounds, grazing. 00:19:41.785 --> 00:19:42.415 Grazing grounds. 00:19:42.445 --> 00:19:42.945 Yeah, that's right. 00:19:42.955 --> 00:19:43.705 Graze grows 00:19:43.705 --> 00:19:49.495 brows on it's always remember grease stuff grows, browsing branches. 00:19:49.555 --> 00:19:50.275 Oh good. 00:19:50.275 --> 00:19:50.785 I like that. 00:19:50.815 --> 00:19:51.445 I can't remember that. 00:19:51.504 --> 00:19:53.095 C PhD learning tips. 00:19:53.155 --> 00:19:59.455 So you have a flock of domestic sheep, um, in, and this is where it really, um, 00:19:59.935 --> 00:20:05.095 comes into contention is when they're in big horn range, like the Coutnies 00:20:05.125 --> 00:20:09.595 and like the Fraser river systems, um, all of these where there's populations 00:20:09.595 --> 00:20:14.665 of people and that kind of overlap with where typically big horn ranges are. 00:20:14.665 --> 00:20:18.925 There are some thin horn overlaps up north and stuff like that, but yeah, 00:20:18.925 --> 00:20:22.675 it's mainly, it's mainly a big horn thing maze, basically, just because of 00:20:22.675 --> 00:20:24.895 the density and the close proximity. 00:20:26.230 --> 00:20:31.750 Mainly when the, when the user in estrus during the rut, um, the big horns, which 00:20:31.780 --> 00:20:37.270 will also be around because there's really good grass and grazing, um, food all over 00:20:37.270 --> 00:20:41.350 where domestic sheep are, but specifically when they're in estrus and when the ruts 00:20:41.350 --> 00:20:45.250 happening, the Rams will come in and they'll send the use sometimes even mate. 00:20:45.700 --> 00:20:49.030 Um, and so that's where the contact happens. 00:20:49.060 --> 00:20:55.570 That's where domestic sheep and wild sheep will, um, either sneeze or like I said, 00:20:55.570 --> 00:21:02.560 share grazing, um, spots and, um, uh, you know, actually physically touch noses 00:21:02.889 --> 00:21:04.360 because they're checking each other out. 00:21:04.780 --> 00:21:07.660 Um, and that's where those droplets are transmitted. 00:21:07.660 --> 00:21:10.450 That's where the bacteria goes from domestic sheep to wild sheep. 00:21:10.480 --> 00:21:13.540 And then essentially the wild sheep just don't have the immune 00:21:13.540 --> 00:21:15.700 system to deal with that bacteria. 00:21:16.240 --> 00:21:19.090 Um, and it typically leads to a pneumonia. 00:21:19.180 --> 00:21:21.910 Now there are a lot of, um, mature. 00:21:22.800 --> 00:21:28.560 Uh, Rams and use of wild sheep that can, um, live with it for a while. 00:21:28.590 --> 00:21:31.470 Some can't live with it and are dead quickly. 00:21:32.370 --> 00:21:35.310 Um, but the big concern, the big evidence that they see on 00:21:35.310 --> 00:21:37.530 the ground is a lamb production. 00:21:37.530 --> 00:21:41.490 So a mom will, will have the bacteria and be living with it, but 00:21:41.490 --> 00:21:42.870 constantly shedding it from the nose. 00:21:42.870 --> 00:21:46.950 So when she has that lamb and sheds the back too, because I mean, 00:21:46.980 --> 00:21:50.070 they're licking and nosing their lambs, especially when they're born. 00:21:50.340 --> 00:21:54.030 So a newborn lamb that gets this bacteria, and then that bacteria 00:21:54.030 --> 00:21:58.230 usually leads to some sort of infectious disease, which is most common. 00:21:58.440 --> 00:22:00.360 The most common one is, uh, pneumonia. 00:22:00.930 --> 00:22:01.770 Um, and then. 00:22:02.735 --> 00:22:05.615 No two week old lamb with pneumonia doesn't last too long. 00:22:06.034 --> 00:22:06.695 Um, no, 00:22:06.695 --> 00:22:07.445 there's up there. 00:22:07.665 --> 00:22:08.615 What were they saying? 00:22:08.615 --> 00:22:12.185 Six to eight weeks was sort of the average expectancy of any 00:22:12.185 --> 00:22:14.645 lamb for, from a U that has movie. 00:22:14.675 --> 00:22:15.304 Exactly. 00:22:15.335 --> 00:22:18.965 So that's one of the, that's one of the key signs that they see 00:22:18.965 --> 00:22:23.195 on the landscape is they'll see herds with no lambs coming through. 00:22:23.405 --> 00:22:27.544 So, uh, when they go for their lamb counts, if they see very little land 00:22:27.544 --> 00:22:33.004 production or zero land production, which is, you know, one of the, the, the herd 00:22:33.004 --> 00:22:37.534 that we talked about in the film they've there were two years with zero lambs or 00:22:37.534 --> 00:22:39.875 three years previous, um, zero lamps. 00:22:39.875 --> 00:22:40.745 They've been counting them. 00:22:40.925 --> 00:22:44.495 So there's a big alarm bells going off like, okay, these lambs aren't surviving. 00:22:44.915 --> 00:22:48.095 Um, and there there's probably multiple factors, but you know, 00:22:48.115 --> 00:22:52.355 the fact that zero lambs are surviving is, is cause for concern. 00:22:54.030 --> 00:22:56.960 So you started this pre COVID when you started 00:22:57.160 --> 00:22:57.660 the felony. 00:22:57.750 --> 00:22:58.740 Yes, exactly. 00:22:58.740 --> 00:23:04.629 So we, we started, um, basically did our first filming 20 the fall 00:23:05.129 --> 00:23:07.590 end of summer and fall of 2019. 00:23:08.040 --> 00:23:10.500 And then, um, had a plan of the film. 00:23:10.800 --> 00:23:14.760 We were out filming it and then COVID hit. 00:23:15.360 --> 00:23:20.520 Um, and then we had to, you know, a lot of our, um, initial plan 00:23:20.520 --> 00:23:22.020 was we were doing door knocking. 00:23:22.020 --> 00:23:24.330 We were going in people's houses, you know, stuff like that. 00:23:24.330 --> 00:23:27.270 And you just couldn't, you couldn't even approach with COVID. 00:23:27.629 --> 00:23:32.160 Um, so we just had to just kind of roll with it, you know? 00:23:32.190 --> 00:23:37.290 Um, and thankfully the society was very patient and they, they, they 00:23:37.290 --> 00:23:39.420 told us from the start, make it good. 00:23:39.510 --> 00:23:40.080 Don't worry. 00:23:40.080 --> 00:23:41.370 We'll work through these delays. 00:23:41.370 --> 00:23:43.050 We'll work through these other issues. 00:23:43.050 --> 00:23:43.800 Just make it good. 00:23:43.800 --> 00:23:45.090 We need to tell the right story. 00:23:45.090 --> 00:23:48.540 That's how important this issue is and how important it is 00:23:48.540 --> 00:23:49.710 to raise awareness about it. 00:23:50.985 --> 00:23:55.185 So, uh, we, I mean, we had like, you know, COVID had a little 00:23:55.185 --> 00:23:58.065 bit of a break and everybody was kind of okay with it for a bit. 00:23:58.065 --> 00:24:02.745 So we did a little bit more filming and essentially my job was to just constantly 00:24:02.745 --> 00:24:07.065 be communicating with people and like gauging comfort levels and, oh, well, this 00:24:07.065 --> 00:24:11.175 person's comfortable to shoot outside, so let's go get this scene shot or whatever. 00:24:11.175 --> 00:24:18.645 And, um, but, uh, then we finally, um, got most of it done towards the 00:24:18.645 --> 00:24:25.365 end of COVID and then for the past, uh, for the past six, seven months, 00:24:25.425 --> 00:24:27.735 um, has been just solid postpartum. 00:24:28.455 --> 00:24:29.264 Just full. 00:24:29.355 --> 00:24:32.295 Like my partner Tash is the lead editor. 00:24:32.295 --> 00:24:34.965 He's a, he's a wizard at editing. 00:24:35.325 --> 00:24:40.185 Um, and I essentially locked him in his editing room since October. 00:24:40.695 --> 00:24:41.195 And 00:24:41.274 --> 00:24:42.795 basically just him doing all the other thing. 00:24:42.795 --> 00:24:43.155 No. 00:24:43.155 --> 00:24:46.455 Well, it's a close collaboration with him and Dan, our director. 00:24:46.845 --> 00:24:49.665 So Dan Minsky's the director, he's an amazing writer. 00:24:49.965 --> 00:24:51.195 He's an amazing director. 00:24:51.195 --> 00:24:53.685 He was, you know, you can see him in the film when he's drinking 00:24:53.685 --> 00:24:55.155 and she runs the interviews. 00:24:55.245 --> 00:25:00.764 Um, he's like, uh, um, I've said this before, but I'll say it again. 00:25:00.764 --> 00:25:05.115 He's like a drill bit when we need to get to the core of something Dan comes 00:25:05.115 --> 00:25:06.735 out and then he can go right to the core. 00:25:06.735 --> 00:25:10.665 He is a really, it's a, it's a, it's a very good talent and it 00:25:10.665 --> 00:25:13.245 helps translate that film into. 00:25:14.280 --> 00:25:17.730 Something that's actually the core and the deep meaning that it needs to be. 00:25:18.360 --> 00:25:24.030 Um, so, um, so it's essentially Dan and Tash, um, working in 00:25:24.030 --> 00:25:25.980 the editing room for months. 00:25:26.580 --> 00:25:32.670 And, um, Dan being the director, he helped, uh, he basically is a, it turns 00:25:32.670 --> 00:25:36.990 into a story editor once we get into post-production and helps direct hash 00:25:36.990 --> 00:25:40.230 on, okay, we need to put this part here, this part here, and then Tash will build 00:25:40.230 --> 00:25:43.050 the scene and then they'll look at it and revise it and revise it and revise it. 00:25:43.740 --> 00:25:48.570 And it's just been essentially Tash and him and editing for six to eight weeks. 00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:50.640 So I'm watching the production. 00:25:50.670 --> 00:25:51.450 It looks flawless. 00:25:51.450 --> 00:25:52.230 Looks fantastic. 00:25:52.230 --> 00:25:55.080 What are you thinking who, and we're watching it the side from 00:25:55.080 --> 00:25:57.980 one of our cameras or one of our screens here having a bit of leg 00:25:57.980 --> 00:25:58.480 in it. 00:25:58.800 --> 00:25:59.040 Yeah. 00:25:59.040 --> 00:26:02.970 Well, that's, you know, as I want it to be presented well, so that's, that's my 00:26:02.970 --> 00:26:08.220 main thing when I, when I present it, um, I've seen it so many times, um, to Ashton 00:26:08.220 --> 00:26:11.460 Dan, like all of us have seen it so many times there've been so many revisions and 00:26:11.460 --> 00:26:14.400 so many iterations of, of how it's going. 00:26:14.400 --> 00:26:18.270 So I'm, I'm curious to see what, how it's going to be received by people. 00:26:18.780 --> 00:26:24.570 Um, we just had our, um, cast and crew screening where we had, um, the majority 00:26:24.570 --> 00:26:27.810 of our cast out and everything, and we're just, we're able to share it. 00:26:27.810 --> 00:26:31.770 And thankfully, most of our, um, cast and crew, it was our first time seeing it. 00:26:32.280 --> 00:26:35.700 And so it was, uh, it was super, it was pretty emotional. 00:26:36.030 --> 00:26:39.810 Um, but it was, it was great to see that validation from people, 00:26:39.870 --> 00:26:43.980 um, about the messaging and how we've put it together and how we've 00:26:43.980 --> 00:26:46.530 crafted it because it's a very. 00:26:47.429 --> 00:26:48.750 Delicate subject. 00:26:48.750 --> 00:26:54.000 And in the conservation world, we talk all the time that we need to, um, share 00:26:54.000 --> 00:27:00.330 the message you want me as hunting and fishing, uh, people, um, when we come 00:27:00.330 --> 00:27:04.200 back from those adventures, we always talk about how there's that, like that thing 00:27:04.379 --> 00:27:09.419 that we can't quite explain, like, there's that like feeling, you know, when you step 00:27:09.419 --> 00:27:13.439 out, when you, when you go hunting, you take that first step into the Bush and 00:27:13.439 --> 00:27:15.540 you're like, Ooh, there's a magic here. 00:27:15.600 --> 00:27:16.470 Ineffable feeling. 00:27:16.500 --> 00:27:17.490 Yes, exactly. 00:27:17.490 --> 00:27:18.450 So we talk about that. 00:27:18.450 --> 00:27:19.110 So we're, we're. 00:27:19.995 --> 00:27:23.955 So as a, as a film production company, we've always been trying to 00:27:23.955 --> 00:27:29.294 explain that, uh, to people and to, to try to convey that it's not easy. 00:27:29.415 --> 00:27:31.544 It's one of the most difficult things ever. 00:27:32.054 --> 00:27:35.835 Um, this one because of the client, because of the time, because of the 00:27:35.835 --> 00:27:40.605 story, because of the characters we have in there, we feel like it finally helps 00:27:40.665 --> 00:27:45.254 relay some of that emotion that needs to be relayed in this conservation space, 00:27:45.254 --> 00:27:48.314 because in conservation there's no black. 00:27:49.105 --> 00:27:51.565 It's all gray, it's all nuance. 00:27:51.655 --> 00:27:55.045 It's all about just sitting down and having these meaningful conversations. 00:27:55.045 --> 00:27:58.555 And maybe you have that conversation and don't draw a conclusion out of it, 00:27:58.585 --> 00:28:03.235 but you have to have those conversations and they need to be at that deep level. 00:28:03.655 --> 00:28:06.385 It's V there's so many different factors with all of these things. 00:28:06.385 --> 00:28:10.575 So that's why it was, that's why we did the film, the way that 00:28:10.585 --> 00:28:12.445 we did that, it's emotional. 00:28:12.445 --> 00:28:17.005 And it, it is, it goes to those right places, um, that we need to for, 00:28:17.065 --> 00:28:22.255 for conservation, because as, as you know, conservation is worth it and it 00:28:22.255 --> 00:28:24.745 deserves, um, these kinds of things. 00:28:24.895 --> 00:28:25.165 It's, 00:28:25.165 --> 00:28:27.625 it's a difficult dichotomy because they talk about. 00:28:28.410 --> 00:28:30.090 It shouldn't be based on science. 00:28:30.090 --> 00:28:31.320 There should be no emotion. 00:28:31.320 --> 00:28:34.530 You shouldn't be basing your opinions on emotion, but in order for people 00:28:34.530 --> 00:28:40.230 to care, to begin with, to look at the science and look at what solutions could 00:28:40.230 --> 00:28:43.680 be, there has to be some emotional tug. 00:28:43.950 --> 00:28:44.640 They have to care. 00:28:44.700 --> 00:28:47.130 Well, that's the thing is, is we're human beings. 00:28:47.550 --> 00:28:49.950 Like we are emotional beings. 00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:56.070 Um, in a, as a kind of ethos of storytelling that we do is, um, you know, 00:28:56.070 --> 00:29:00.900 there are, we love animals and there's lots of things that people connect to. 00:29:01.020 --> 00:29:05.610 People will connect to us in the wild sheep society, connect to sheep very 00:29:05.610 --> 00:29:07.470 deeply because we care about wild sheep. 00:29:07.500 --> 00:29:12.690 Um, other people connect to other animals, but at the core being, we all connect 00:29:12.690 --> 00:29:14.850 to people most above anything else. 00:29:14.850 --> 00:29:18.450 And that's because we're emotional motive, people and human beings. 00:29:18.840 --> 00:29:20.940 And so that needs to be. 00:29:21.545 --> 00:29:22.475 A big part of it. 00:29:22.505 --> 00:29:28.115 The, the, the problem is, is that we think emotion is just B is just this 00:29:28.115 --> 00:29:29.915 one thing, but it's not it's war. 00:29:29.915 --> 00:29:34.685 It's like a marbled swirl into everything that we do and how we exist. 00:29:35.285 --> 00:29:37.475 So it's, it is part of the conversation. 00:29:37.625 --> 00:29:42.395 It's just, this whole conversation is more complicated than just, oh, 00:29:42.515 --> 00:29:44.915 I understand this in this, right. 00:29:45.185 --> 00:29:45.685 Yeah. 00:29:45.875 --> 00:29:46.375 So, 00:29:47.315 --> 00:29:51.875 and you know, I'm, I'm, I'm looking at, it's an interesting idea too. 00:29:51.875 --> 00:29:54.665 So you're, you're telling the emotional connection with the 00:29:54.665 --> 00:29:56.945 wildlife and the outdoors. 00:29:57.660 --> 00:30:02.850 But you're using people as the catalyst or is the carrier here too? 00:30:03.290 --> 00:30:03.790 Yeah. 00:30:04.350 --> 00:30:04.560 Yeah. 00:30:04.560 --> 00:30:08.850 That's well, that's, that's the big thing is there's really no secret to what we do. 00:30:09.150 --> 00:30:15.900 Um, in film is we just, we look at these situations and go through these, um, 00:30:15.930 --> 00:30:20.580 scenarios and these conversations and these complications through people's eyes. 00:30:20.940 --> 00:30:23.760 And if you can see through people's eyes and you can connect in that human, 00:30:23.790 --> 00:30:27.600 and then that's the same as when we talking in like hunting and fishing 00:30:27.600 --> 00:30:30.720 trips, when we're like, oh, that connection that I can't quite explain. 00:30:31.170 --> 00:30:31.380 Right. 00:30:31.380 --> 00:30:34.290 It's that same kind of, uh, emotional connection. 00:30:35.670 --> 00:30:37.230 A lot of people are scared of their emotions. 00:30:37.230 --> 00:30:37.730 So 00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:42.420 you funny how that is, even though that's such a big part of how we interact 00:30:42.420 --> 00:30:45.480 and why we make our decisions, how we respond to things and how we just, 00:30:45.660 --> 00:30:47.730 what formulates our thought processes. 00:30:47.940 --> 00:30:49.290 Oh, emotional based. 00:30:49.590 --> 00:30:50.040 Yeah. 00:30:50.040 --> 00:30:50.250 Yeah. 00:30:50.250 --> 00:30:55.600 People try to divorce, see emotion from the intellectual side of things. 00:30:55.980 --> 00:30:57.240 Really you're right. 00:30:57.300 --> 00:31:01.650 It is a marbled sort of a marble quagmire. 00:31:02.910 --> 00:31:04.050 Interesting. 00:31:04.830 --> 00:31:11.820 So there with this movie, you didn't make this movie for 00:31:11.820 --> 00:31:13.800 hunters necessarily you, yes, 00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:14.910 that's correct. 00:31:14.940 --> 00:31:20.700 That's the, so one of the big things that we, it was mainly our 00:31:20.700 --> 00:31:23.100 D the direction from the society. 00:31:23.220 --> 00:31:28.290 They said, we need to, um, share this with, uh, domestic sheep producers. 00:31:29.595 --> 00:31:32.175 One of the things we've been battling movie, especially in 00:31:32.175 --> 00:31:33.495 the states for a long time. 00:31:33.885 --> 00:31:38.415 And the typical process with battling mobi is removing it out of the wild sheep 00:31:38.415 --> 00:31:43.905 population so that it can stop that cycle, stop that spread so that the moms can 00:31:43.905 --> 00:31:49.695 pass it onto their, um, lambs, moms, or use can't pass it onto their, um, lambs. 00:31:49.755 --> 00:31:51.015 And then they stop that cycle. 00:31:51.015 --> 00:31:55.185 So it's usually a calling, you're calling out the wild sheep, the positive sheep. 00:31:55.335 --> 00:31:59.355 Um, and that's how we've kind of dealt with a movie on the landscape. 00:31:59.895 --> 00:32:05.055 Um, the new thing that's that, that we're working on now is, um, and what Helen's 00:32:05.265 --> 00:32:13.395 kind of going through in this story is potentially, um, creating science that can 00:32:13.395 --> 00:32:17.565 study if we can remove it from the source, because if you remove it from the source. 00:32:18.629 --> 00:32:20.700 And you don't have to worry about keeping them separate. 00:32:21.030 --> 00:32:22.920 You don't have to build these fences. 00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:26.760 You don't have to worry about separation as much as you do now. 00:32:27.450 --> 00:32:33.389 Um, so that's, that's the big, vague, um, thing with that we're 00:32:33.510 --> 00:32:34.379 kind of talking about in this 00:32:34.379 --> 00:32:34.770 story. 00:32:34.770 --> 00:32:36.180 So separation requires. 00:32:37.830 --> 00:32:42.090 A hundred percent and that's right now, the best cure for all of 00:32:42.090 --> 00:32:44.280 this is let's keep them separated. 00:32:44.340 --> 00:32:44.940 Right? Yeah. 00:32:44.940 --> 00:32:45.990 It's like the, yeah. 00:32:45.990 --> 00:32:49.740 Well, and that's the big thing is, um, you know, I spent, I spent 00:32:49.740 --> 00:32:53.670 a lot of time with Jeremy from the BC sheep separation program. 00:32:54.210 --> 00:32:56.640 Um, and he's essentially that outreach tool. 00:32:56.640 --> 00:33:00.990 So he'll go to farmers and say, Hey, do you know that domestic sheep have this 00:33:00.990 --> 00:33:03.120 bacteria called mycoplasma pneumonia? 00:33:03.390 --> 00:33:07.140 And that it's a potential deadly, um, can be a deadly 00:33:07.140 --> 00:33:08.550 disease passed onto wild sheep. 00:33:08.550 --> 00:33:09.150 And for the most. 00:33:09.689 --> 00:33:13.230 People are like, I had no idea, uh, willing to help. 00:33:13.260 --> 00:33:17.550 Um, but there also are a lot of people that just say, get off my land. 00:33:17.550 --> 00:33:18.570 Don't tell me what to do. 00:33:18.840 --> 00:33:23.370 So it's a delicate thing to, uh, communicate and it 00:33:23.370 --> 00:33:24.629 usually stops at the wallet. 00:33:24.840 --> 00:33:28.620 So if we say, okay, well, these are the suggested ways that you can keep 00:33:28.620 --> 00:33:33.179 your sheep separate, but you know, building a, you know, 16 foot double 00:33:33.179 --> 00:33:37.500 fence is not really something that someone's willing to do for free. 00:33:37.560 --> 00:33:37.860 Yeah. 00:33:37.860 --> 00:33:41.909 So enter wild sheep society, BC, where they've stepped up 00:33:41.909 --> 00:33:42.899 and said, okay, that's good. 00:33:42.929 --> 00:33:43.429 You find. 00:33:44.445 --> 00:33:46.245 Well, raise money will buy those fences. 00:33:46.755 --> 00:33:50.505 So they've actually spent, you know, 50, $60,000 on fence lines. 00:33:51.425 --> 00:33:56.955 So they install these fences on these farms, but then, you know, what's, and it 00:33:56.955 --> 00:34:01.275 has happened on farms where a farmer will be like, oh, I don't want cheap anymore. 00:34:01.695 --> 00:34:05.775 And so they spend this money on these, these fence fences and a year later, the 00:34:05.775 --> 00:34:07.275 farmers like, oh no, I sold my sheep. 00:34:07.995 --> 00:34:10.455 Great. That's not, and it's not the fix, right? 00:34:10.455 --> 00:34:11.445 Yeah, exactly. 00:34:11.505 --> 00:34:13.455 I mean, it's a bandaid, it's a bandaid. 00:34:13.455 --> 00:34:13.965 Exactly. 00:34:13.965 --> 00:34:18.945 So the, the, the potential excitement throughout everyone that, that we've 00:34:18.945 --> 00:34:22.514 talked to with all the wildlife biologists is, you know, if we can eliminate 00:34:22.514 --> 00:34:27.284 it from the source that changes the game, that changes the game that a lot 00:34:27.284 --> 00:34:28.905 of people have been at for a lot of 00:34:28.905 --> 00:34:29.405 years, 00:34:29.445 --> 00:34:32.955 because right now, if I understand this correctly, if I was paying 00:34:32.955 --> 00:34:39.014 attention properly, there is no mandatory regulated or legislation. 00:34:39.915 --> 00:34:46.005 Uh, testing on importing of the, uh, domestic sheep of owning 00:34:46.005 --> 00:34:48.465 domestic sheep for, for movie. 00:34:48.525 --> 00:34:49.025 Yeah. 00:34:49.174 --> 00:34:51.404 That's, it's not even a part of the conversation. 00:34:51.404 --> 00:34:56.205 And I think one of the people is saying, you know, we need more than legislation. 00:34:56.205 --> 00:34:57.165 We need policy. 00:34:57.915 --> 00:35:03.884 So legislation is basically the teeth that the government creates to enforce 00:35:03.884 --> 00:35:08.924 policy, but policy would have the sort of systemic buy-in from interested 00:35:08.924 --> 00:35:10.605 parties and groups from the people. 00:35:10.605 --> 00:35:13.455 And it's created by all of them, including the government. 00:35:13.455 --> 00:35:17.924 So I guess what the individual's saying is he wants, he wants a 00:35:17.924 --> 00:35:23.355 Mo uh, a fundamental shift in how people approach us to be normalized. 00:35:23.445 --> 00:35:23.835 Right. 00:35:23.835 --> 00:35:28.595 And that's where I see this film as having some really good power because. 00:35:29.505 --> 00:35:34.905 When you're talking about telling the story, telling the story through 00:35:34.905 --> 00:35:38.805 other people's eyes, there's a fundamental principle in rhetoric 00:35:38.805 --> 00:35:40.725 and in philosophy called charity. 00:35:41.085 --> 00:35:44.855 And essentially, I guess, more the archaic term with charity 00:35:45.105 --> 00:35:48.765 relates to love as opposed to giving money to, to other people. 00:35:48.765 --> 00:35:54.045 And, uh, in rhetoric and philosophy, they say somebody says something that 00:35:54.255 --> 00:35:58.425 you don't see eye to eye with either it's not even on your radar or you 00:35:58.425 --> 00:36:00.525 don't agree, completely disagree. 00:36:01.560 --> 00:36:05.520 Try and think about it from the most charitable position, putting it in the 00:36:05.520 --> 00:36:11.310 strongest possible position on their side and see how it stands up to analysis. 00:36:11.850 --> 00:36:14.430 And that way you can kind of recalibrate where you're coming from. 00:36:14.430 --> 00:36:17.939 If all of a sudden you hold a particular belief and you've now used 00:36:17.939 --> 00:36:21.089 this principle of charity, and you're looking at it from the other side and 00:36:21.089 --> 00:36:23.250 you say, well, I can see their point. 00:36:23.250 --> 00:36:26.580 I can see their background that allows you to recalibrate your approach. 00:36:26.640 --> 00:36:27.060 Right? 00:36:27.060 --> 00:36:30.870 And likewise, if you say, no, my, my position doesn't change. 00:36:30.870 --> 00:36:35.939 If anything has gotten stronger, it allows you, it gives you the, uh, the, 00:36:35.939 --> 00:36:39.990 sort of the roadmap, your mental roadmap of how you continue to comport yourself. 00:36:40.500 --> 00:36:45.000 And that's what I see you doing in this, by introducing the. 00:36:45.915 --> 00:36:47.984 Uh, characters as you call them, right? 00:36:47.984 --> 00:36:51.794 These are people, this isn't a play, but by introducing the different characters 00:36:51.794 --> 00:36:55.335 and perspectives, you get a real good opportunity to look at it from actual 00:36:55.335 --> 00:37:00.495 stakeholders, different indigenous groups, uh, conservation officers, farmers, uh, 00:37:00.524 --> 00:37:03.975 scientists, biologists, um, the, uh, 00:37:04.285 --> 00:37:04.904 hunters. 00:37:05.265 --> 00:37:05.765 Yep. 00:37:06.015 --> 00:37:06.734 Yeah, exactly. 00:37:06.734 --> 00:37:10.815 And that's why presentation and the way it's crafted was so important. 00:37:11.205 --> 00:37:14.745 And that's why it took us so long to make this film and especially in 00:37:14.745 --> 00:37:20.895 post-production and, and because it was such a delicate issue that has to be 00:37:20.895 --> 00:37:25.515 presented properly, because if you present that in a different way, if you say, 00:37:25.665 --> 00:37:28.424 um, Hey farmers, this is what's wrong. 00:37:28.424 --> 00:37:29.685 This is really important. 00:37:29.924 --> 00:37:32.355 You need to do this, this, this, this, this, because it's 00:37:32.384 --> 00:37:34.154 causing real impacts on the land. 00:37:34.875 --> 00:37:37.274 Um, we're saying that. 00:37:38.055 --> 00:37:40.485 But we're not saying it's your fault, right? 00:37:40.575 --> 00:37:42.285 We're not saying this is your fault. 00:37:43.035 --> 00:37:43.995 How dare you? 00:37:44.355 --> 00:37:45.345 We're saying listen. 00:37:45.345 --> 00:37:48.795 Like, and, and, and it's evident with the people we've talked to people we've 00:37:48.795 --> 00:37:52.634 worked with in the film and the more people we talk to, and that's the whole 00:37:52.634 --> 00:37:57.525 point of this, this film is to have those conversations to say, it's not your fault. 00:37:57.525 --> 00:37:59.955 It's not anyone's fault, but this is what's actually happening. 00:37:59.985 --> 00:38:01.154 And it's really serious. 00:38:01.545 --> 00:38:02.955 So define really serious. 00:38:02.985 --> 00:38:03.765 I heard a number about 00:38:03.765 --> 00:38:04.634 90%. 00:38:04.665 --> 00:38:04.995 Yeah. 00:38:04.995 --> 00:38:08.355 So, um, I have an example of a, of a herd. 00:38:08.355 --> 00:38:12.375 I was talking with, um, Chris Proctor, who's our senior wildlife biologist. 00:38:12.375 --> 00:38:18.285 He's, he's been the main movie, um, uh, biologist on the Fraser herd. 00:38:18.345 --> 00:38:22.335 Um, and he was telling me about a herd that, um, they've tested. 00:38:22.755 --> 00:38:24.884 Um, it was a herd of around 200. 00:38:26.325 --> 00:38:34.065 And within, um, a year and they, they tested, um, uh, uh, from the necrosis 00:38:34.095 --> 00:38:36.855 she's so they could, they could test actually the strain of movie. 00:38:37.215 --> 00:38:41.535 Um, just like, um, uh, COVID there's different strains, same with this. 00:38:41.535 --> 00:38:42.495 So that. 00:38:43.305 --> 00:38:45.975 Not necessarily that they have them all categorized and they know what 00:38:45.975 --> 00:38:49.575 they all are, but at least they know like, okay, this strain is, this is 00:38:49.575 --> 00:38:53.985 a single strain that killed off this many sheep, which could in theory, 00:38:53.985 --> 00:38:55.455 say that came from one source. 00:38:55.965 --> 00:38:57.615 So one farmer, one exposure. 00:38:58.125 --> 00:39:02.745 Um, and this herd in, um, I believe it's been about three years. 00:39:02.805 --> 00:39:08.415 Uh, they were at 200 now they're now at 11 sheep from one senior trained 00:39:09.135 --> 00:39:15.825 one single strain of, uh, of movie, which we're not saying that it is, but 00:39:15.945 --> 00:39:17.775 potentially that's from one exposure. 00:39:17.865 --> 00:39:18.365 Sure. 00:39:18.435 --> 00:39:22.815 So it's, it's similar to influenza and smallpox. 00:39:22.815 --> 00:39:27.285 When, you know, Europeans came where, you know, the other population doesn't 00:39:27.285 --> 00:39:30.255 have the immune system live with it and that's how rampant it just spreads. 00:39:30.855 --> 00:39:34.605 So if domestic sheep have Mojave and they're able to kind of live with 00:39:34.605 --> 00:39:39.750 it, Is that something that would be of concern for the domestic farmers? 00:39:39.750 --> 00:39:41.220 Like, does it change the taste of the meat? 00:39:41.459 --> 00:39:44.609 Is it going to change the life cycle of that animal to being 00:39:44.729 --> 00:39:46.560 subbed up optimal for profit? 00:39:46.620 --> 00:39:46.950 Yeah. Yeah. 00:39:46.950 --> 00:39:50.640 Well, that's interesting because what we discovered along the way, and as 00:39:50.669 --> 00:39:54.089 the, kind of the farm we were working with discovered as well along the way is 00:39:54.089 --> 00:39:57.359 that movie's actually more detrimental to their herd than they thought. 00:39:57.899 --> 00:40:04.439 So having their domestic sheep movie positive, um, actually they've 00:40:04.439 --> 00:40:07.770 been seeing significant die-offs within their domestic flock. 00:40:08.609 --> 00:40:13.410 There was another, so, um, we follow Helen along her trial, um, with one farm, 00:40:13.410 --> 00:40:18.180 she actually did another farm in BC and that farm almost lost their entire flock 00:40:18.600 --> 00:40:20.790 from a domestic sheep farm from movie. 00:40:20.939 --> 00:40:21.419 Wow. 00:40:21.419 --> 00:40:24.509 Thankfully with treatment and eliminating movie out of the herd. 00:40:24.975 --> 00:40:27.855 I heard flock heard wild flock domestic. 00:40:28.065 --> 00:40:28.964 I keep those mixed up. 00:40:29.355 --> 00:40:33.375 Um, and now her flocks bounce back and they're healthy. 00:40:33.645 --> 00:40:37.545 So there's a lot of complications that it's even, uh, that domestic farmers 00:40:37.545 --> 00:40:40.935 are finding out that, you know, having rampant Mojave within their domestic 00:40:40.935 --> 00:40:46.785 sheep is actually causing detrimental, um, a detrimental impact on their flock. 00:40:46.785 --> 00:40:53.055 And, and you know, a lot of, um, these sheep are not necessarily a lot of the 00:40:53.055 --> 00:40:56.985 sheep that we've kind of done or for wool production, which is, you know, you 00:40:56.985 --> 00:40:59.325 want more and you want good quality wool. 00:40:59.325 --> 00:41:04.395 So even Moby positive, um, sheep, their wool production is weak. 00:41:04.755 --> 00:41:09.315 So they produce wall, but it's very thin and it's, it's pretty much sheared off and 00:41:09.315 --> 00:41:11.475 putting the compost bin is interesting. 00:41:11.475 --> 00:41:15.615 So there's, there's, there's detrimental impacts for the domestic world as 00:41:15.615 --> 00:41:16.095 well. 00:41:16.095 --> 00:41:18.855 So that, that creates policy buy-in as well, even if it's 00:41:18.855 --> 00:41:20.475 just talking to the pocketbook. 00:41:21.315 --> 00:41:21.675 Yeah. 00:41:21.675 --> 00:41:25.665 And in order to treat them, we're watching, it's what a five day process 00:41:25.695 --> 00:41:32.415 currently there is nasal flushes, which looked just delicious where they're 00:41:32.415 --> 00:41:33.285 injections as well. 00:41:33.315 --> 00:41:33.645 Yeah. 00:41:33.645 --> 00:41:35.475 So there was an injection and a nasal flush. 00:41:36.045 --> 00:41:41.415 And so this, and this is just, it's interesting getting to learn about, 00:41:41.565 --> 00:41:43.365 um, Helen and doing her trial. 00:41:43.665 --> 00:41:48.285 Um, I feel for her because what, she, she's a scientist trying to 00:41:48.285 --> 00:41:52.185 produce a paper that says this either works or this doesn't work. 00:41:52.215 --> 00:41:52.665 Right. 00:41:52.665 --> 00:41:57.105 But she going down that path to just create the science, to say it works or 00:41:57.105 --> 00:41:59.655 doesn't work, she's getting roadblock after roadblock, whether that's 00:41:59.655 --> 00:42:02.895 funding, whether that's politics, whether that's people's step stepping 00:42:02.895 --> 00:42:04.215 in and saying, oh, this isn't right. 00:42:04.215 --> 00:42:05.175 You shouldn't be doing this. 00:42:05.505 --> 00:42:08.745 And she's just like, whether it's right or wrong, I need to see this through to the 00:42:08.745 --> 00:42:11.685 end so that we can determine if it is yes. 00:42:11.685 --> 00:42:13.005 A viable solution or not. 00:42:13.545 --> 00:42:14.505 Um, yeah. 00:42:14.985 --> 00:42:15.135 Yeah. 00:42:15.135 --> 00:42:18.495 That's I I'd say that's difficult because so often I find that 00:42:18.495 --> 00:42:20.145 people look at solutions. 00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:25.260 Without looking at what the actual problem is, or the level of impact 00:42:25.260 --> 00:42:27.330 on it, because yes, they might be correct in their solution. 00:42:27.330 --> 00:42:31.020 Their solution can work and the solution is worthwhile for that problem. 00:42:31.020 --> 00:42:35.610 But where does that problem stack up against what what's the buy-in 00:42:35.610 --> 00:42:36.780 from the scientific community? 00:42:36.810 --> 00:42:38.670 What's the emotional buy-in from the public. 00:42:38.700 --> 00:42:42.630 I mean, there's some important things out there that people just don't care about. 00:42:42.990 --> 00:42:44.790 Right. Because they just don't know. 00:42:44.790 --> 00:42:48.810 And that's where having these conversations here on the podcast, 00:42:48.810 --> 00:42:53.310 having these videos out is, uh, helps reach more people and at 00:42:53.310 --> 00:42:54.270 least puts them on the radar. 00:42:54.330 --> 00:42:58.230 Like somebody in the UK might turn around and say, what do I care about wild sheep. 00:42:58.860 --> 00:42:59.360 Yeah. 00:42:59.520 --> 00:42:59.700 Yeah. 00:42:59.700 --> 00:43:03.990 Well, that's, it's, uh, you know, when we talk about, you know, having movie 00:43:03.990 --> 00:43:08.130 free flocks and, and, you know, kind of testing animals, and we talk about, you 00:43:08.130 --> 00:43:13.500 know, the, the biggest issue is like, oh, uh, she only domestic sheep that 00:43:13.500 --> 00:43:17.820 are within range of wild sheep are a concern, but then you have the idea of. 00:43:18.705 --> 00:43:23.295 Um, the farmer that we, that we, that was in our film, they got 00:43:23.295 --> 00:43:26.085 movie into their head because they imported a sheet from Ontario. 00:43:26.504 --> 00:43:27.734 There's no mandatory testing. 00:43:27.734 --> 00:43:28.484 There's nothing like that. 00:43:28.484 --> 00:43:34.035 So someone on the island say where there's no sheep sells a sheep to, um, a 00:43:34.035 --> 00:43:35.924 farmer in Kamloops where there are sheep. 00:43:36.165 --> 00:43:37.095 They don't care. 00:43:37.154 --> 00:43:39.915 They don't care about movie or don't want them, them to be tested or whatever. 00:43:40.154 --> 00:43:44.384 All of a sudden, the import of sheep unknowingly into sheep range 00:43:44.865 --> 00:43:46.694 and that's where things can happen. 00:43:46.694 --> 00:43:47.654 So, so 00:43:47.654 --> 00:43:50.745 I had two questions that kind of popped up into my mind, which 00:43:50.745 --> 00:43:52.035 he might not know the answer to. 00:43:52.154 --> 00:43:54.015 Maybe, maybe I should ask him okay with that. 00:43:54.375 --> 00:44:01.095 But first one was, we watched Helen and her team go through and, uh, 00:44:01.125 --> 00:44:05.625 treat these sheep and had a massive reduction of movie after putting the, 00:44:05.984 --> 00:44:09.915 uh, the nasal flush and the injections. 00:44:10.814 --> 00:44:11.865 Can they be reinfected? 00:44:12.674 --> 00:44:14.145 Well, yeah, that's the complicated thing. 00:44:14.145 --> 00:44:15.495 It can be for sure. 00:44:15.495 --> 00:44:17.504 It can happen at any point. 00:44:17.504 --> 00:44:23.415 And it will, unless there's policy and there's a process in place of if, 00:44:23.415 --> 00:44:27.975 uh, if a sheep is coming into a flock, um, or you're buying a sheep from 00:44:27.975 --> 00:44:29.504 otherwise, they have to be tested. 00:44:29.564 --> 00:44:33.615 So as Jeremy said in the film is like, yeah, you can have sheep wherever 00:44:33.615 --> 00:44:37.185 you want, but let's just make sure they're, you know, free of this 00:44:37.515 --> 00:44:41.174 deadly disease that, that affects wild populations on a very serious level. 00:44:41.865 --> 00:44:47.984 Um, so yes, reinfection can happen and it can, and I mean, but I don't want to speak 00:44:47.984 --> 00:44:51.044 out of turn because we're getting into a bit of science and stuff from right. 00:44:51.075 --> 00:44:54.225 From what I understand it can reoccur and it can happen. 00:44:54.225 --> 00:44:54.725 So. 00:44:55.575 --> 00:44:58.755 That's that's, that's the thing, as we're getting into a world of like 00:44:58.785 --> 00:45:03.225 unknown and development, so we need to be patient and we need to like, uh, 00:45:03.255 --> 00:45:08.985 just, just go along with what the science is saying and that, which science, I'm 00:45:08.985 --> 00:45:12.825 not going to try to define science, but science is constantly evaluating 00:45:12.825 --> 00:45:15.405 and reassessing trust the science. 00:45:15.735 --> 00:45:16.365 Come on. 00:45:16.455 --> 00:45:19.515 Trust the science it's in stone here. 00:45:19.585 --> 00:45:20.205 Exactly. 00:45:20.595 --> 00:45:21.255 That's not science. 00:45:21.315 --> 00:45:22.365 No, that's not exactly. 00:45:22.485 --> 00:45:23.705 That's exactly not science. 00:45:23.715 --> 00:45:25.575 It's the exact opposite of science, right? 00:45:25.585 --> 00:45:26.595 Yeah, exactly. 00:45:26.655 --> 00:45:29.115 I guess the other one was okay for the wild sheep. 00:45:29.715 --> 00:45:35.565 There was a, uh, a capture and test process, and that was a pretty cool to 00:45:35.565 --> 00:45:40.695 see, pretty cool to watch a lot of hard work and people that, um, big hearts. 00:45:41.385 --> 00:45:46.245 Now, obviously, if you capture one that has movie it's out in the wild, 00:45:47.385 --> 00:45:51.675 if we don't have some sort of a cure for it, your only other option is. 00:45:52.424 --> 00:45:55.395 To put that animal down to euthanize it. 00:45:56.654 --> 00:46:00.734 Now what's the stop. 00:46:01.305 --> 00:46:07.185 The sheep that are being, let go that have been tested as negative from now 00:46:07.185 --> 00:46:12.075 being handled by humans who have touched movie positive sheep and being, let go. 00:46:12.075 --> 00:46:12.575 Is that 00:46:14.654 --> 00:46:16.605 transmission like that? 00:46:16.665 --> 00:46:19.665 I mean, like during the capturing call events, everything's 00:46:19.665 --> 00:46:22.274 very, um, clean steroidal. 00:46:22.274 --> 00:46:26.625 So there, you know, everybody there is designed it's, it's, it's a design 00:46:26.625 --> 00:46:31.455 process to not transmit from, you know, for handling a wild sheep and, you know, 00:46:31.455 --> 00:46:34.484 working around there knows that we're not going to cross-contaminate sheep. 00:46:34.964 --> 00:46:36.314 Um, so during that event, it was. 00:46:37.335 --> 00:46:37.995 Scientific. 00:46:38.595 --> 00:46:41.985 It was very kind of, it was basically a lab in the field. 00:46:42.465 --> 00:46:47.085 So, um, it was a very, you know, Helen was the lead on that and 00:46:47.085 --> 00:46:50.115 she was very, um, let's see. 00:46:50.115 --> 00:46:54.585 Amazing thing about Helen is that, um, she's an amazing leader. 00:46:54.945 --> 00:47:00.645 Um, but she can, she can also be a bit of a goofball, um, you know, and, but people 00:47:00.645 --> 00:47:05.745 follow her, uh, like when, when she says this goes this way, everybody says, yes. 00:47:06.105 --> 00:47:09.375 You know, like it's just, it's, she's just so well-respected 00:47:09.405 --> 00:47:10.995 because she knows what she's doing. 00:47:10.995 --> 00:47:15.015 And because she knows how to, how to basically command a group in 00:47:15.015 --> 00:47:17.655 a very respectful, meaningful way to get everybody on board, which 00:47:17.655 --> 00:47:18.975 is the definition of a leader. 00:47:19.275 --> 00:47:19.785 Good leader. 00:47:19.815 --> 00:47:20.445 Right. So, 00:47:20.445 --> 00:47:22.785 yeah, leadership's the art of influencing human behavior. 00:47:23.085 --> 00:47:25.475 So as to accomplish a mission in the manner, so desired 00:47:25.475 --> 00:47:26.595 by the leader, there you go, 00:47:26.595 --> 00:47:27.095 here you go. 00:47:27.315 --> 00:47:28.815 That's kind of said it better myself. 00:47:29.385 --> 00:47:30.405 I couldn't have said it like that. 00:47:31.905 --> 00:47:32.595 Um, but. 00:47:33.420 --> 00:47:37.890 Th so, so that's, but that's the crazy thing when, like, when I was getting 00:47:37.890 --> 00:47:40.529 into this, when you're having these conversations with biologists, I'm 00:47:40.529 --> 00:47:45.180 like, okay, well then, you know, we, we capture and call, we call out all 00:47:45.180 --> 00:47:50.430 the positive sheep what's to say that a farmer just doesn't bring in some 00:47:50.430 --> 00:47:52.140 sheep and then they're exposed again. 00:47:52.170 --> 00:47:54.089 He's like, nothing says that, like that could happen. 00:47:54.270 --> 00:47:54.509 Right. 00:47:54.509 --> 00:47:55.980 That's what we're dealing with on the lens. 00:47:57.089 --> 00:48:01.200 So, again, it's not to say that it's all domestic sheep or domestic farmers 00:48:01.560 --> 00:48:06.240 problem or issue and they're to blame, but it's just to say, if everyone was 00:48:06.240 --> 00:48:10.740 aware of this and knew, and we tested animals to know if I bought, even if 00:48:10.740 --> 00:48:14.250 they're Mo movie positive, you know, to isolate them or, you know, to 00:48:14.250 --> 00:48:16.379 keep them out of, um, sheep brains. 00:48:16.379 --> 00:48:21.060 So if an island, uh, domestic farmer on the island has Mo mobi positive sheep, 00:48:21.509 --> 00:48:25.319 we're not saying you have to have them all treated and, and, and done, but 00:48:25.350 --> 00:48:30.029 like don't sell that cheap to a, um, a big horn range or, or a thin horn 00:48:30.029 --> 00:48:33.450 range farm, you know, like, just be aware of, of what's going on and the 00:48:33.450 --> 00:48:35.190 impacts that it could be it's avoidable. 00:48:36.029 --> 00:48:39.330 And as one person said, it's absolutely avoidable in the movie there. 00:48:39.419 --> 00:48:40.080 Exactly. 00:48:42.690 --> 00:48:43.319 Interesting. 00:48:45.509 --> 00:48:46.319 So when does 00:48:46.319 --> 00:48:46.980 the movie come out? 00:48:47.450 --> 00:48:48.859 Yeah, that's the golden question. 00:48:48.859 --> 00:48:50.690 So that's, that's what we're doing. 00:48:50.779 --> 00:48:53.390 Um, and thankfully the society is on board with it. 00:48:54.335 --> 00:48:58.395 As they're doing this a little more unique because the goal is 00:48:58.395 --> 00:49:03.465 to have engagement beyond our hunting conservation echo chamber. 00:49:05.115 --> 00:49:06.975 Echos pretty, pretty loudly. 00:49:07.365 --> 00:49:09.165 You know, we, we speak to each other a lot. 00:49:09.464 --> 00:49:11.055 Um, so we want to reach beyond that. 00:49:11.055 --> 00:49:15.254 So actually one of the things that they really asked us to do was to go after 00:49:15.254 --> 00:49:19.995 film festivals, because that has potential to then reach outside and go beyond. 00:49:20.145 --> 00:49:21.615 And we really did. 00:49:21.674 --> 00:49:26.325 We did a conscious decision to focus on the human element of this, of this 00:49:26.325 --> 00:49:28.605 whole story so that it can reach beyond. 00:49:29.500 --> 00:49:32.500 So we're going through the festival circuit, which typically happens in 00:49:32.500 --> 00:49:36.460 the fall and winter, and right now as the application process for festivals. 00:49:36.460 --> 00:49:41.050 So it's basically just getting submitted, nonstop, the festivals fun. 00:49:41.140 --> 00:49:41.640 Yeah. 00:49:41.640 --> 00:49:45.970 And so, but instead of it just being on lockdown until festivals come out, um, 00:49:45.970 --> 00:49:50.380 we're going to do a private tour events throughout the kind of spring and summer. 00:49:50.890 --> 00:49:55.000 So, um, on the website movie, free.org, we're going to be releasing 00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:58.540 kind of the event dates and, and where we're going to host it. 00:49:58.930 --> 00:50:04.120 Um, and the first screening, which is a wild sheep society 00:50:04.120 --> 00:50:06.040 of BC membership only event. 00:50:06.460 --> 00:50:09.070 Um, but it's in prince George and April 23rd. 00:50:09.220 --> 00:50:11.410 Um, it's horn aging with bill jacks. 00:50:11.410 --> 00:50:15.160 And then at the same time, um, what we're going to do horn aging, I think 00:50:15.160 --> 00:50:17.830 things start around two o'clock and then in the evening we're going to 00:50:17.830 --> 00:50:19.630 have dinner and watch the movie. 00:50:19.630 --> 00:50:24.160 So that's kind of our very first like public, uh, kind of 00:50:24.160 --> 00:50:25.300 members only screening, right. 00:50:26.050 --> 00:50:32.320 Um, but then like, basically we're just securing locations and dates, 00:50:32.380 --> 00:50:37.030 um, through the spring and summer, um, all to be announced, uh, because 00:50:37.090 --> 00:50:38.650 things are being secured, so yeah. 00:50:38.860 --> 00:50:41.620 So who do you most want to get this message in front of? 00:50:42.220 --> 00:50:43.930 Um, it's the farming community. 00:50:44.230 --> 00:50:48.430 That's who we're, that's who we're, um, that we want to, 00:50:48.460 --> 00:50:49.540 that's what we want to watch it. 00:50:49.990 --> 00:50:52.750 Um, it's so four H clubs. 00:50:52.840 --> 00:50:54.550 Um, that's a big one. 00:50:54.610 --> 00:50:59.980 Um, anyone in agriculture, um, fall fair events, uh, stuff like that. 00:50:59.980 --> 00:51:05.320 Anybody that's that's deals with the agriculture industry or 00:51:05.320 --> 00:51:07.120 farming or, or anything like that. 00:51:07.120 --> 00:51:08.170 That's our target audience. 00:51:08.170 --> 00:51:11.380 So we're not, we're not speaking to. 00:51:12.299 --> 00:51:15.900 W we are speaking to the hunting community, but everybody, I think 00:51:15.900 --> 00:51:19.350 in the hunting community is going to understand and love this message. 00:51:19.380 --> 00:51:21.480 And we're not going to have a difficult time. 00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:27.420 So we're really going after the domestic sheep producers, 00:51:27.450 --> 00:51:28.589 that's our target audience. 00:51:28.980 --> 00:51:29.640 Interesting. 00:51:30.330 --> 00:51:33.450 So what could people listening to this podcast do to help 00:51:33.450 --> 00:51:34.710 get that message further? 00:51:34.710 --> 00:51:37.860 If the video's only going to be shown in a few private places? 00:51:38.490 --> 00:51:43.799 Well, I mean, that's the thing, like it's still, we we're, we're, we're not trying 00:51:43.799 --> 00:51:49.860 to, um, be a blocker and we're not trying to be a roadblock to, you know, oh, this 00:51:49.860 --> 00:51:54.060 is exclusive, but what we're trying to do, and it's kind of worked out well that. 00:51:54.975 --> 00:51:59.175 Right now, I think everybody is craving getting out and doing 00:51:59.175 --> 00:52:01.185 things and going to events. 00:52:01.245 --> 00:52:07.245 So, um, by having these screener events, we can, we can put seats in, 00:52:07.275 --> 00:52:11.115 uh, in the, I don't want to say it's going to be a theater, but other, that 00:52:11.115 --> 00:52:14.985 location that the filming's at, and the main goal from that is that we 00:52:14.985 --> 00:52:16.515 have people like we're doing right now. 00:52:16.515 --> 00:52:19.515 We watched the film and now we're talking about this issue and we're 00:52:19.515 --> 00:52:23.145 talking and raising awareness about it so we can show the film and then 00:52:23.145 --> 00:52:26.535 we can have, um, you know, in certain locations we'll bring people out 00:52:26.535 --> 00:52:30.975 that were in the film and we have a meaningful discussion about what's next. 00:52:30.985 --> 00:52:35.235 And what's going, going on moving forward and, and just help solidify 00:52:35.445 --> 00:52:38.655 and clarify, um, what this issue is and what they can do about it. 00:52:39.615 --> 00:52:40.335 So let's say. 00:52:41.430 --> 00:52:47.580 The universe unfolds as a shed, everything happens in a way where it's, uh, it 00:52:47.580 --> 00:52:52.320 gets the message out and people become aware of movie and steps are taken 00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:54.240 to introduce policy and legislation. 00:52:54.240 --> 00:52:57.930 So it can be either a radicating or properly controlled. 00:52:58.800 --> 00:53:01.080 Um, what's next? 00:53:01.830 --> 00:53:06.270 Well, the, the big plan or, or what's happening is that the 00:53:06.270 --> 00:53:07.590 movie is still in the landscape. 00:53:07.710 --> 00:53:11.910 You know, if everything by tomorrow, the, the switch flipped and now we're, 00:53:11.910 --> 00:53:16.830 we're, we're working on, you know, treating and basically creating a 00:53:16.830 --> 00:53:21.090 movie free domestic population movies already, still on the landscape. 00:53:21.090 --> 00:53:22.530 So there's a lot of work to be done. 00:53:22.560 --> 00:53:25.500 And the, you know, as we highlighted in the Fraser river 00:53:25.500 --> 00:53:26.850 system, there's a lot of work. 00:53:26.850 --> 00:53:29.910 There's a lot of sheep there and it's very rampant throughout the entire system. 00:53:30.510 --> 00:53:32.220 Um, so there's a lot of work on the landscape. 00:53:32.250 --> 00:53:36.360 It's still needs to be done, done to, to eliminate that from the landscape. 00:53:36.930 --> 00:53:38.830 Um, moving forward, I think. 00:53:39.765 --> 00:53:45.285 It's it's about, um, not bringing those preconceived ideas into conversations, 00:53:45.285 --> 00:53:50.145 but being open and collaborative on, on, on working towards the same kind 00:53:50.145 --> 00:53:55.695 of goal of, you know, making sure that we have healthy domestic sheep 00:53:55.725 --> 00:54:00.945 and we have a healthy, uh, wild sheep population, um, out on the landscape. 00:54:00.945 --> 00:54:06.345 So, well, again, like we've kind of talked about how these con con 00:54:06.435 --> 00:54:09.075 conservation conversations, oh, that's a, 00:54:09.285 --> 00:54:10.065 that's a good one. 00:54:10.245 --> 00:54:11.805 It's like say Irish wristwatch 00:54:13.395 --> 00:54:18.765 attempt that, but it's about, um, just knowing that we're working on this 00:54:18.765 --> 00:54:21.435 together, it's not like, okay, it's fixed, boom, move on to the next one. 00:54:21.435 --> 00:54:21.975 It's like, okay. 00:54:21.975 --> 00:54:25.395 Yeah, it's still complicated and there's still, and now there's 00:54:25.395 --> 00:54:26.955 going to be people turnover. 00:54:26.955 --> 00:54:29.985 And then we're going to probably deal with a new government essentially. 00:54:30.015 --> 00:54:33.695 Um, at some point, you know, a new ministry will come in and, 00:54:33.705 --> 00:54:37.905 you know, so we just have to be collaborative and work together on it. 00:54:39.690 --> 00:54:46.590 Yeah, well, having that conversation, getting, keeping it open and open 00:54:46.590 --> 00:54:49.290 to critical review because maybe somebody turns around and says, 00:54:49.290 --> 00:54:51.750 no, there's a completely different approach that we can be taking. 00:54:51.810 --> 00:54:52.170 Right. 00:54:52.170 --> 00:54:56.340 But that doesn't happen without having the conversation 100%, but it 00:54:56.340 --> 00:55:00.390 also raises a level of awareness for just caring for what's happening. 00:55:00.390 --> 00:55:04.380 And the impact that we have is humans by sticking our finger in the bowl 00:55:04.380 --> 00:55:07.950 of water and not expecting to see ripples because there will be ripples. 00:55:08.760 --> 00:55:11.340 We've had our fingers in the water for a long 00:55:11.340 --> 00:55:15.900 time, so long that now we have to make the, uh, the difficult decisions of 00:55:16.140 --> 00:55:18.990 if we take our finger out completely, what effects are we going to have? 00:55:19.050 --> 00:55:19.620 Right, right. 00:55:19.620 --> 00:55:19.740 Yeah. 00:55:19.740 --> 00:55:25.410 That's a good, and you know, Shane Mahoney said, well, I thought he says, um, uh, 00:55:25.830 --> 00:55:30.000 you know, people have this idea about there's us in those, the animals, and that 00:55:30.090 --> 00:55:32.880 somehow we have dominion over the animal. 00:55:33.660 --> 00:55:34.860 That's not the question. 00:55:35.100 --> 00:55:38.460 It's we are an animal and we are just so much a part of this 00:55:38.460 --> 00:55:39.990 earth as they are a part of it. 00:55:39.990 --> 00:55:42.000 And we work with them and they work with us. 00:55:42.240 --> 00:55:46.150 So finding a way to be able to, like I say, stick the finger in the water. 00:55:46.150 --> 00:55:51.570 I was Steven MacGyver and he's a biologist and regulatory. 00:55:51.600 --> 00:55:55.680 Sorry, you said, um, analyst to regulation analyst and oh yeah. 00:55:55.850 --> 00:55:59.220 Uh, oh, I'm going to get myself in trouble. 00:56:00.060 --> 00:56:00.560 Anyways. 00:56:01.020 --> 00:56:04.530 He's a smart guy works for, he works for the provincial government here. 00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:10.170 And, uh, he was talking about, uh, the impact of let's say, just bear 00:56:10.170 --> 00:56:14.970 hunting on, in the high-tech Y and when Leh was introduced, they were 00:56:14.970 --> 00:56:17.850 looking at the numbers of bears that were being taken out of there. 00:56:17.850 --> 00:56:21.120 And it was, you know, not many at all, but a second they introduced Leh. 00:56:22.154 --> 00:56:26.745 Put it on the radar, they're looking at like 200 applications coming through. 00:56:26.745 --> 00:56:30.555 Like everybody kind of wanted to go in and hunt bears and on the high 00:56:30.555 --> 00:56:34.785 Dugway, the second that they raise the awareness that, Hey, maybe there's 00:56:35.354 --> 00:56:36.495 this bear hunting app right here. 00:56:36.615 --> 00:56:37.115 Yeah. 00:56:37.125 --> 00:56:44.024 So, uh, that was an unintended consequence of, um, enacting 00:56:44.024 --> 00:56:46.634 some policy and legislation. 00:56:47.115 --> 00:56:48.645 I guess the other side of this is. 00:56:50.505 --> 00:56:53.985 There is a possibility of bringing in everyone saying, 00:56:53.985 --> 00:56:55.245 holy Crow, look at these sheep. 00:56:55.245 --> 00:56:56.655 I better get to them before they're gone. 00:56:56.685 --> 00:56:56.925 Right. 00:56:56.925 --> 00:57:00.015 I better come out of talking to a friend in, in the U S he was like, man, you have 00:57:00.015 --> 00:57:01.755 a general open season for sheep up there. 00:57:01.755 --> 00:57:02.715 That's insane. 00:57:02.715 --> 00:57:03.045 Right? 00:57:03.045 --> 00:57:03.525 Yeah. 00:57:03.525 --> 00:57:07.575 Um, all of a sudden having an unintended consequence of people 00:57:07.815 --> 00:57:10.395 rushing to, um, to, to fill that. 00:57:10.515 --> 00:57:11.015 Yeah. 00:57:12.165 --> 00:57:12.705 Interesting. 00:57:13.155 --> 00:57:14.775 Wow, man, if we want to get into 00:57:15.195 --> 00:57:19.995 it, it's a rabbit hole, but it's just sort of a side aside thought on, on 00:57:20.175 --> 00:57:24.315 just trying to navigate how we conduct ourselves as people who love the 00:57:24.315 --> 00:57:28.935 outdoors and love the wildlife and how we have these conversations, uh, 00:57:29.115 --> 00:57:32.595 in a way that will affect a positive 00:57:33.795 --> 00:57:34.485 repercussion. 00:57:34.785 --> 00:57:35.145 Yeah. 00:57:35.145 --> 00:57:37.305 And I think that's, that's a big message. 00:57:38.250 --> 00:57:43.350 Um, we're trying to cultivate and kind of show is that it, it takes this 00:57:43.350 --> 00:57:47.580 conversation and it takes, it does take emotion as much as most people 00:57:47.580 --> 00:57:49.350 don't want to touch on their emotions. 00:57:49.620 --> 00:57:54.090 If you cry in this film, which a lot of people do, that's completely okay. 00:57:54.120 --> 00:57:57.120 You don't have to suck that tear back in, just let it flow. 00:57:57.240 --> 00:57:58.260 It's human. 00:57:58.290 --> 00:58:00.600 You know, we are humans, we are emotion, right? 00:58:00.600 --> 00:58:05.220 So, um, the delicate balance is, you know, emotions also go the other 00:58:05.220 --> 00:58:07.800 way when we get frustrated and when we get angry and when we get up. 00:58:08.940 --> 00:58:10.980 So it's like, we're emotional beings. 00:58:11.040 --> 00:58:12.060 We're allowed to get upset. 00:58:12.060 --> 00:58:12.840 We're allowed to get angry. 00:58:12.840 --> 00:58:14.820 We're allowed to get emotional. 00:58:14.820 --> 00:58:17.760 It's just about how you deal with that and how you kind of 00:58:18.870 --> 00:58:20.940 cultivate those situations. 00:58:20.940 --> 00:58:22.740 So, yeah. 00:58:23.790 --> 00:58:26.400 Is there anything else we should be talking about before we look 00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:27.390 at wrapping things up here, 00:58:28.110 --> 00:58:29.490 man, I think we got it. 00:58:29.490 --> 00:58:31.770 Like we we've talked about the film. 00:58:31.830 --> 00:58:35.970 I was kind of in my head thinking about, okay, well one, but, and you're good at 00:58:35.970 --> 00:58:39.950 this, you know, you know, when to queue and winter asked the right question, so 00:58:40.140 --> 00:58:41.010 I'm still figuring it out. 00:58:41.010 --> 00:58:44.850 I die every, everyone's a learning, a learning experience, 00:58:44.850 --> 00:58:45.930 each person, each one. 00:58:45.930 --> 00:58:46.590 It's a, but 00:58:46.590 --> 00:58:47.090 it's fun. 00:58:47.100 --> 00:58:47.730 That's good. 00:58:48.210 --> 00:58:52.080 This is a bit of like what we do in film too, as we kind of. 00:58:52.640 --> 00:58:55.340 Have these little houses I was saying before, when somebody kind of lets you 00:58:55.340 --> 00:58:58.220 into the circle and you get to know them, it's a little energizing and 00:58:58.220 --> 00:59:02.930 it's, these are like a pressure cooker of, of that, where you can sit down 00:59:02.930 --> 00:59:06.500 and get to know someone and have these kind of the, like coming into this. 00:59:06.500 --> 00:59:11.120 I didn't know, or how, I didn't know how our conversation would go or where we 00:59:11.120 --> 00:59:15.710 go, but man, we went to some, some great places that are meaningful and, and, uh, 00:59:15.860 --> 00:59:17.450 it's a symbol of all. 00:59:17.460 --> 00:59:19.370 He was a past podcast guests. 00:59:19.370 --> 00:59:22.100 He says, you know, meaningful conversations with meaningful 00:59:22.100 --> 00:59:23.900 people just absolutely love it. 00:59:24.290 --> 00:59:27.140 And all I really knew about you was that you were the, a recent 00:59:27.140 --> 00:59:32.450 recipient of the Sitka diverge, Tim, you won, you won the top place in 00:59:32.450 --> 00:59:34.220 your category, then the big game on. 00:59:34.220 --> 00:59:35.390 Yeah. That was amazing. 00:59:35.450 --> 00:59:36.710 And I'm looking at life like that. 00:59:36.740 --> 00:59:37.460 That is such a 00:59:37.460 --> 00:59:38.200 cool picture. 00:59:38.240 --> 00:59:43.490 Uh, yeah, that well, um, I can tell you a story about that picture if you want. 00:59:44.779 --> 00:59:45.799 We'll end on the story. 00:59:45.799 --> 00:59:46.299 So. 00:59:46.965 --> 00:59:50.205 Um, we were up filming in the, in the Yukon. 00:59:50.654 --> 00:59:56.205 Um, uh, it was myself Tash and, um, the guy that did all the post-production on 00:59:56.205 --> 01:00:00.435 audio, on our film here, Mike Patterson, he was doing field audio for us up there. 01:00:00.915 --> 01:00:03.345 So it was the three of us plus two hunters. 01:00:03.345 --> 01:00:05.535 And we were going out, we were just supposed to get foot. 01:00:05.535 --> 01:00:10.185 We were doing this film on this, um, this hunter, um, and it was 01:00:10.185 --> 01:00:11.835 a story of him being a vegan. 01:00:11.865 --> 01:00:12.465 So he was vegan. 01:00:13.845 --> 01:00:15.615 Probably seen it if you've been on one campfire. 01:00:16.035 --> 01:00:20.775 Um, and, uh, we were up there and we said, we've said to Carl, we said, listen, I, 01:00:20.805 --> 01:00:22.634 we just need footage of you going out. 01:00:22.845 --> 01:00:24.345 You know, if we see a bison, great. 01:00:24.435 --> 01:00:26.685 We had a day, we rented some snowmobiles. 01:00:26.685 --> 01:00:29.444 We'll just go out and we'll just get some atmosphere and just get 01:00:29.444 --> 01:00:31.005 a general vibe of you hunting. 01:00:31.634 --> 01:00:35.225 Um, and, uh, so we're out in the Yukon boreal. 01:00:35.895 --> 01:00:38.535 We're in the morning, we're from the south. 01:00:38.565 --> 01:00:43.964 We're not used to minus 35, 40 degrees, Tash and I in the morning as we're 01:00:43.964 --> 01:00:46.845 gearing up, we were both freaking out. 01:00:46.845 --> 01:00:48.225 Tasha was a bit more vocal. 01:00:48.855 --> 01:00:52.654 And um, the other hunter said, oh, Tash, I got some tracked and 01:00:52.654 --> 01:00:54.915 in the truck, I'll get you some he's like, yeah, yeah, please. 01:00:55.365 --> 01:00:57.915 And we all kind of stopped and looked at him and he goes, tracked. 01:00:57.915 --> 01:00:58.575 And like a man. 01:01:01.125 --> 01:01:03.285 And, uh, so it was cold. 01:01:03.285 --> 01:01:05.415 And we were like outside of our element. 01:01:05.475 --> 01:01:09.884 Um, anyways, we were, we were out, we felt we got great footage of him. 01:01:10.665 --> 01:01:13.125 Hunting quote unquote, but they actually were hunting. 01:01:13.305 --> 01:01:17.175 That was, we got what we needed and then sure enough, like three, I 01:01:17.175 --> 01:01:19.725 think it was towards the afternoon, like four o'clock in the afternoon. 01:01:20.145 --> 01:01:23.805 Oh, there's there's six or seven bison on that Hilltop. 01:01:23.805 --> 01:01:25.095 It's two kilometers away. 01:01:25.755 --> 01:01:26.805 And we're like, yeah. 01:01:26.835 --> 01:01:30.075 I mean, yeah, we're not going to say don't go because we want to go home. 01:01:30.075 --> 01:01:31.905 Let's uh, let's do it. 01:01:32.325 --> 01:01:35.295 So we go down to the lake, we park the snowmobiles and we do like 01:01:35.295 --> 01:01:37.185 a two and a half kilometer hike. 01:01:37.185 --> 01:01:40.605 And Carl and his hunting buddy are like, Carl's a beast. 01:01:41.025 --> 01:01:45.555 Like we are like sweating and like trying to keep up with Carl. 01:01:45.555 --> 01:01:49.995 And he's just like beast mode hiking, but like calmly through the snow and 01:01:49.995 --> 01:01:53.295 we're just going up and we get up to the bedside and the bites and her slowly walk. 01:01:53.305 --> 01:01:55.605 So we're just tracking them quietly, quietly, quietly. 01:01:56.355 --> 01:01:57.105 Sure enough. 01:01:57.135 --> 01:01:58.185 Right around sunset. 01:01:59.310 --> 01:02:03.420 Um, we come across and there's the big bison head, just leaning 01:02:03.420 --> 01:02:04.680 over, looking right at us. 01:02:04.770 --> 01:02:07.260 And, um, the hunter that was with Carl. 01:02:07.260 --> 01:02:09.690 So Carl didn't have the bison tag, the other guy did. 01:02:10.200 --> 01:02:14.880 Um, and he had a clean shot, took a shot and it was the craziest thing. 01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:15.930 And you can see it in the film. 01:02:16.380 --> 01:02:19.020 Um, they all went head to toe. 01:02:19.020 --> 01:02:21.000 I think there's about six or seven. 01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:24.300 It felt like 20, but there was like six or seven of them and they just went 01:02:24.300 --> 01:02:27.870 like a true, you train, just like rape. 01:02:27.930 --> 01:02:30.510 Like past us just went like one. 01:02:31.080 --> 01:02:35.130 Um, and so we were like, did you get like how he's like, yeah, it's shot felt great. 01:02:35.160 --> 01:02:36.060 Everything felt good. 01:02:37.770 --> 01:02:40.800 Massive animals, big target, big target, but they're also, 01:02:40.800 --> 01:02:42.720 they can suck up a 300 win mag. 01:02:42.750 --> 01:02:43.320 No problem. 01:02:43.770 --> 01:02:44.310 No problem. 01:02:44.340 --> 01:02:47.790 So we, we go along the train and we're seeing these little splits of blood, 01:02:47.880 --> 01:02:49.980 like, okay, we've got confirmation. 01:02:49.980 --> 01:02:52.620 So we're tracking and tracking, tracking, but they're light. 01:02:53.100 --> 01:02:59.040 They're like, like not it wasn't like, oh, this bison is going to be down soon. 01:03:00.240 --> 01:03:04.110 Um, so we're tracking, tracking, tracking on foot and then it gets to a certain 01:03:04.110 --> 01:03:06.960 point where like, okay, let's go back and get the snowmobiles and it's dark. 01:03:07.560 --> 01:03:08.550 Um, we'll come back. 01:03:08.580 --> 01:03:10.650 We get the snowmobiles and we're tracking, tracking, and then it's 01:03:10.650 --> 01:03:12.330 just like, it's getting late. 01:03:12.390 --> 01:03:16.020 And, um, me Tasha and Mike are just like, okay. 01:03:16.020 --> 01:03:16.170 Yeah. 01:03:16.170 --> 01:03:20.370 Well, I think we're going to wrap this up because we're not finding this bison. 01:03:20.490 --> 01:03:20.970 Right. 01:03:20.970 --> 01:03:21.990 And, uh, we pull over. 01:03:23.175 --> 01:03:25.965 And Carl's like, yeah, just go, he's talking to the 01:03:25.965 --> 01:03:27.195 other guys, go, go grab that. 01:03:27.195 --> 01:03:29.625 And then that, and then he comes over to us again. 01:03:29.625 --> 01:03:32.445 So let's go start collecting firewood and MOA. 01:03:32.475 --> 01:03:33.285 And we're like, what? 01:03:33.435 --> 01:03:34.875 We're going to have a fire. 01:03:34.875 --> 01:03:35.375 What? 01:03:35.475 --> 01:03:37.905 Like, aren't we going back to the trucking, like going home, this is 01:03:37.905 --> 01:03:40.725 like probably 11, 12 o'clock at night. 01:03:41.700 --> 01:03:44.640 Or like, and it's still like a three-hour snowmobile ride back to the truck. 01:03:44.740 --> 01:03:45.240 It's like, no, no. 01:03:45.240 --> 01:03:46.230 We're spending the night here. 01:03:46.530 --> 01:03:48.420 Um, and we're going to go keep looking. 01:03:48.420 --> 01:03:51.090 We're not going to leave an injured by this a note on the mountain. 01:03:51.510 --> 01:03:53.490 We're like, oh, nobody argued. 01:03:53.490 --> 01:03:54.930 No, everyone was like, okay, we're good. 01:03:54.960 --> 01:03:56.220 I guess we had no food. 01:03:56.400 --> 01:03:58.110 We had no tent, no sleeping bags. 01:03:58.140 --> 01:03:59.220 We were there for a day trip. 01:03:59.670 --> 01:04:00.750 Carl had one. 01:04:01.200 --> 01:04:01.890 How was it? 01:04:01.890 --> 01:04:02.610 How cold was it? 01:04:02.700 --> 01:04:03.200 Minus. 01:04:03.970 --> 01:04:04.470 Okay. 01:04:04.779 --> 01:04:06.970 W exactly, exactly. 01:04:07.450 --> 01:04:11.830 And, uh, he had one mountain house as like an emergency in his snowmobile. 01:04:11.859 --> 01:04:15.129 So the five of us shared one mountain house around a fire. 01:04:15.129 --> 01:04:18.670 We kind of found where there were two trees and, you know, read 01:04:18.670 --> 01:04:23.049 where the wind was coming from and essentially built a fire and five 01:04:23.049 --> 01:04:27.850 guys spooned out, spooning out in the middle of the boreal in minus 35. 01:04:27.970 --> 01:04:29.470 So you're like spooning. 01:04:30.629 --> 01:04:33.990 And you get really cold and you stand up and you go over tesserae around the fire. 01:04:33.990 --> 01:04:35.100 We keep the fire going all night. 01:04:35.609 --> 01:04:38.460 The good thing about the boreal is it's dry, everything burns. 01:04:38.640 --> 01:04:39.210 It's great. 01:04:39.540 --> 01:04:43.230 And the trees are so frozen that you just shake them and you can knock them down. 01:04:43.529 --> 01:04:44.100 It's amazing. 01:04:44.640 --> 01:04:49.470 Um, it's way different than, you know, growing up in a rainforest, knowing 01:04:49.470 --> 01:04:50.819 that nothing burns nothing at all. 01:04:50.850 --> 01:04:51.350 Yeah. 01:04:51.770 --> 01:04:53.430 So he was so nonchalant. 01:04:53.460 --> 01:04:55.680 I was like, stressing out that we're going to keep a fire going, 01:04:55.680 --> 01:04:56.819 how are we going to start a fire? 01:04:57.180 --> 01:04:58.170 Well, it was fun. 01:04:58.649 --> 01:05:00.359 So we had a fire we're spooning. 01:05:00.359 --> 01:05:03.000 We're doing this routine all night where, you know, you might get 20 01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:04.859 minutes of sleep and then you're up. 01:05:04.859 --> 01:05:05.790 Cause you're so cold. 01:05:06.180 --> 01:05:07.259 Get to the close to the fire. 01:05:08.490 --> 01:05:12.660 And then I remember waking up, we're all spinning and over the Ridge of my 01:05:12.660 --> 01:05:18.600 friend's back of Mike's back, I see the Aurora Borealis and I'm sitting there. 01:05:18.600 --> 01:05:19.950 We're in an all survival mode. 01:05:20.009 --> 01:05:21.060 It's a pretty good group. 01:05:21.060 --> 01:05:22.109 We're all pretty positive. 01:05:22.109 --> 01:05:23.129 Nobody's freaking out. 01:05:23.129 --> 01:05:23.729 It's all good. 01:05:24.299 --> 01:05:26.819 Um, I had this conversation with myself. 01:05:26.819 --> 01:05:28.439 I'm like, oh, that's so beautiful. 01:05:28.620 --> 01:05:31.259 I have to go get my camera. 01:05:31.859 --> 01:05:33.419 So I like slugged up. 01:05:33.450 --> 01:05:35.129 Everybody's sleeping at the fire. 01:05:35.129 --> 01:05:37.109 I went over like the key. 01:05:37.140 --> 01:05:39.390 And of course the cameras packed away in the case. 01:05:39.390 --> 01:05:40.410 It's in the snowmobile. 01:05:41.520 --> 01:05:42.870 I go to the snowmobile. 01:05:42.870 --> 01:05:43.979 I'm like, what am I doing? 01:05:43.979 --> 01:05:44.700 What am I doing? 01:05:45.089 --> 01:05:46.169 And I get the camera. 01:05:46.169 --> 01:05:48.750 And the, the, the sky is just so inspiring. 01:05:48.750 --> 01:05:51.750 We're talking about being a creative and energizing. 01:05:52.680 --> 01:05:56.190 And I was just like, I, like, I took my gloves off. 01:05:56.250 --> 01:05:57.300 I could feel all my fingers. 01:05:57.300 --> 01:05:58.320 I was just energized by it. 01:05:58.320 --> 01:05:59.430 It was so gorgeous. 01:05:59.910 --> 01:06:04.950 And, uh, I go and I'm walking around in the Bush and, um, I'm like, I don't 01:06:04.950 --> 01:06:07.860 even care if there's something lurking at me, I have to get this photo. 01:06:08.340 --> 01:06:10.530 And I took a bunch of different photos in that one. 01:06:10.530 --> 01:06:14.310 That, that one, the prize was, was it, so the fire that you see there, that's 01:06:14.310 --> 01:06:16.050 where all five guys were spooning. 01:06:16.050 --> 01:06:20.160 You can kind of see, my Gators are hanging, they're drying out. 01:06:20.220 --> 01:06:23.700 Um, and then the Royal Borealis and the stars and the boreal tree, like, 01:06:23.700 --> 01:06:26.220 it was just, it was amazing that just 01:06:26.220 --> 01:06:29.100 made that picture a thousand times better. 01:06:29.130 --> 01:06:30.480 Now, when I look at it with that 01:06:30.480 --> 01:06:30.870 story. 01:06:30.870 --> 01:06:31.200 Yeah. 01:06:31.200 --> 01:06:31.650 Yeah. 01:06:31.650 --> 01:06:34.200 And then, and, and then, um, we got up the next week. 01:06:35.385 --> 01:06:37.245 And, uh, no bison. 01:06:37.905 --> 01:06:38.385 Yeah. 01:06:38.385 --> 01:06:43.725 Carl Carl was very, um, he kind of taught us more about how that was. 01:06:43.725 --> 01:06:46.425 And he said like, if, if it was injured, it would have broken off from 01:06:46.425 --> 01:06:49.785 the herd, but it was a strong, the blood disappeared and it was a strong, 01:06:49.815 --> 01:06:52.035 they were all together moving away. 01:06:52.035 --> 01:06:58.185 So unfortunately, no bison, but, um, uh, I can't remember the coffee shop, but 01:06:58.185 --> 01:07:02.175 we went there and had this, like when we got out, cause everybody was starving. 01:07:02.475 --> 01:07:08.355 We had a coffee and a cinnamon bun, the size of a pie, and each of us had one 01:07:08.475 --> 01:07:11.475 and that was, yeah, it was, uh, it was 01:07:11.475 --> 01:07:11.925 amazing. 01:07:11.925 --> 01:07:15.135 So for fight club at breakfast, if he has some oral would be the best days 01:07:15.145 --> 01:07:16.605 of breakfast he's had in his entire 01:07:16.605 --> 01:07:16.935 life. 01:07:16.935 --> 01:07:17.325 Yeah. 01:07:17.325 --> 01:07:17.715 Yeah. 01:07:17.715 --> 01:07:19.845 So we all had some tracks and then we all made it out. 01:07:20.265 --> 01:07:20.765 Awesome. 01:07:21.255 --> 01:07:22.935 Great story, Jesse. 01:07:23.025 --> 01:07:25.485 Thank you so much for sharing the video with me. 01:07:25.515 --> 01:07:26.625 The movie with me. 01:07:26.655 --> 01:07:28.365 Thank you for being on the Silvercore Podcast. 01:07:28.725 --> 01:07:29.225 Thank you. 01:07:34.515 --> 01:07:35.174 Um,