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your ego and what you do. And I
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I made every decision around the
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my confidence. I say this all
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woman in the eyes because my
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how am I playing on the field?
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talk about all things like
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talked to authors, comedians,
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to hear about drummers. Drummers
the spice of life, and I know a

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lot of them. Jim McCarthy. Jim
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sir. How are you buddy? Good
man. We've been batching. We

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haven't been batching. You know,
we've been out. We're not

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bitching about it. Well, it's
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need us. We like Howard Stern in
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symbol, and we need like a
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an amazing conversation today.
Today's guest hailing from

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Detroit, which is a monster
Music City, calling Nashville

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home for 20 years, and recently,
a new Floridian calling Orlando

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home for the last year, he's
been the drummer for the Grammy

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Award winning band Little Big
Town for 10 years, celebrating

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10 years with them, which is a
major accomplishment in this

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massively competitive industry.
He's also worked with folks like

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Pharrell Williams, David nail,
Jake Owen, Kemo, love and theft.

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Leona Lewis, Adam Lambert, the
Oak Ridge Boys, list goes on and

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on. Our friend. Hubert Payne,
what's up, man, what's up?

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What's up. It is so good to have
you here. Now I gotta tell

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everybody that you are such an
overachiever. We've been trying

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to do this for a while, but I
was like, Are you sure you want

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to drive to Spring Hill? Because
tonight you are playing a

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headlining show in downtown
Nashville with your band, Little

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Big Town at the Bridgestone
Arena. And we all know that

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traffic is no joke in Nashville
now, like going back, like maybe

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10 years, you know, but it's,
it's, it's fierce now. So thanks

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for joining us. Thanks for
having me. I'm honored, man,

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dude, we go way back. And I tell
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model actor, excited. Model
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did we meet? Though, it was with
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was it was with Aldean in the
early days, I believe, and Katie

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was opening, and you were her
drummer. And I was like, man,

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that guy's got fire and Moxie
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When was that? The first thing I
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learn your parts? Oh, my God,
that's right, because we

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produced her. And I'm a nerd, so
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out how to, like, get my left
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splashes over at Rock groove. Oh
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so So you took that thing and
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yeah, that's what it's all
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stop and hi hat over. I wonder
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going on with Katie. Yeah, I
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had to, this must have been
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right around there. So, but you
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for you. You were coming off a
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about that. Because, I mean, you
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look like an athlete, yeah,
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Michigan, and I was playing
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in my basement. I mean, did you
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yeah. I thought I was gonna go
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Michigan, the school I was at,
they moved me to defense. They

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use you here. And I just, I
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having a really difficult time,
and I had gained 20 pounds to

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try to run the football, you
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that? So I played at Mt, 2002

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three interesting, yeah, my
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you're about the same age, yeah,
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pounding chicken

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breast. Yeah, I was pretty,
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yeah, and then I ended up
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Maryville College in East
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I gotta ask, being that you're
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Huge. It's the time right now,
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Courtney and I got into watching
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Docu series shows about
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HBO. It's not on HBO, most think
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doing one as well. Yeah, and
there's one that they did

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profiling the lions. They embed
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they put up like series episodes
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they embedded a team or a crew
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Campbell came on board, and my
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with the guy. Yeah, he's such a
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like, because of him, we've
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like, afar fans of the lions.
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yeah, because I think they're 12
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buddy. Yeah, I can't say I was a
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beginning, right? But what I do
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reflection of his spirit, right?
Like his principles they play.

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February, January, February, so
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the Yeah, I'd love to see them
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to Yeah, well, starts from the
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wrenching period where I'm like,
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anymore, like it's over, like no
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run or how much I can lift. I'm
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right? What this is strange.
This is explain. Explain. So,

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have had my whole life planned.
I made every decision around the

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game. What does it look like? I
made all the sacrifices? I felt

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like I worked really hard and I
deserved to be in a certain

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so I struggle. I struggle with
my confidence. I say this all

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woman in the eyes because my

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identity was so wrapped up in
how am I playing on the field?

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How can I be anything for you if
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yeah. But the awesome part of
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there's no ego. I'm a football
player, yeah? So, yeah, I can go

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to your house and just watch
what you eat for breakfast,

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because I want to learn what
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ego. I'm a football player.
Yeah, I can ask rich 1000

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humility around your upcoming

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music career,

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which is awesome, yeah? Yeah,
that was the blessing, and I

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didn't really understand that at
the time, yeah? But when I look

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back, I'm like, wow, the
humility at every step in my

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career was really the thing that
separated me. Because a lot of

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people that play drums and at a
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yeah, but do you want to be
around that person and their

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energy 24 hours a day? Can they

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play it well, that's right,
yeah, that's right. That's

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right. So that you know the
football thing, and I'm we'll

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get to it in the story, but it's
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circle at this season of my
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laser focus to be a professional
football player, were you also

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playing drums? Cinder pops was a
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was a drummer. He took care of
us, playing the drums. He's a

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phenomenal drummer. Amazing.
Still playing No no he he messes

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around. Now he's starting to
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for Christopher go for his
birthday. So he's he's coming

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back. But for him. He just felt
like, you know, my son, he hates

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truth. He dropped out of high

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school to play drums. He went
back and finished. But he's he

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built his life around the drum
set, right? And he took care of

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me and my brothers playing the
drums. Even though he was a

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great drummer and one of the top
call guys, he wanted more for

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me. He didn't want me to live
gig, to gig. Yeah, because you

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can go on a great tour for three
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it's over, and you're, you know,
you got to figure it out. Yeah,

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tough to sustain a marriage and
a family. And if you want, like,

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I wanted babies. I want, I
wanted a bunch of kids ever

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since I was a kid, yeah, and he
knew, and so he felt like, I

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know you're gonna play drums,
but I'm not gonna put you in

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position to focus on that right
now. So I just kind of, I

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watched him. I never had any
friends that played drums when I

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was growing up. I play African
drums in a group. But as far as

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drum set, I just played by
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when it came to drum set, it was

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really just in my own head,
yeah, which later on, I realized

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I my pocket comes from listening

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played with people. Yeah, you

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dramatics. Yes. And also work
with Snoop Dogg

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He lived in LA and worked with

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Dr Dre in the studio, just
putting down beats, sneaking

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background vocals, whatever it
called for that day. Nice. That

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he your dad's going to go see
you play tonight. Yes, this has

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got to he's got to be very
proud. He's very

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proud now, yeah, he's also very
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people love to hear about
paradiddles and stuff. We don't

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talk a lot about that. What are
the other options? Because you

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and I resonate in that sense, in
that sense that we know how

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drums fit into the big picture
in life, and how we can make

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other people happy and change
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process, there's a way for us to
have an our name on the marquee.

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It's it's amazing to be part of
huge organizations. You know

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these, you know these groups
going down the high with it,

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with their tractor trailers and
busses, and they pull up and,

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ladies and gentlemen, and you're
part of that thing, and it feels

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amazing, but have your name on
the marquee, and you figured

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that out. You're doing that. I'm

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doing that, yeah, and I have to
just put a pin right here and

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share something with you. You
probably remember it, but you

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made me dangerous. And part
reason why I'm like, Yeah, my

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whole family's come to the show
tonight, and you know, we're

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gonna play a headlining show at
Bridgestone. But I'm like, this

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is an opportunity to spread how
you personally helped me become

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dangerous. I don't know anything
about this is good. This is

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good. Jim, this is exciting. So
when I first got little, big

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town, you know, lot of people
were shooting me texts. Hubert,

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Congrats, man, you called me and
I'm like, Rachel called me like,

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you're like, man, congrats. This
is an awesome opportunity where

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you're going to be. I'm going to
be honest with you, it's not the

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ceiling is not much higher,
right? And knowing that, just

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keep it 100 and real
financially, you're going to be

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close to the ceiling, yeah? And
if you don't make a decision to

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diversify and figure out other
things that you can do to take

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care of your your family or your
life. You'll be stuck now it was

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a tragic, tragic thing to only
point at the artist to take care

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of you and your life at that
point, because you can literally

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use your position to to multiply
what you can make. I came out of

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the blue and said that, yes, you
went in on me. You're like, man,

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you even went through your own
habits. Think about this, the

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perception of the opportunity
you have. You can build an

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opportunity off that. Yeah, you
can develop your skill set. You

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can keep reinventing yourself.
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little, big talent, just being,
I mean the sweetest people

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you've ever met, and

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they've had you on all their
records. They've had me

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on the records, yeah. And to
take it a step further, they saw

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that, you know, number one, I
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they know how much I make, yeah.
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because of the money, but
they've been very proactive

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about Hubert, if you want to do
this, we're going to help you do

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this has nothing to do with
music. If I can introduce you to

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someone, I will if we can put
you in position, if we can

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represent you, if we can put in
a word, if we can, you know, put

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you in this room. Hey, you
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There's been times Karen, over
to Mike, has said. It Hubert

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paint on the drums. He's an
awesome life coach, according to

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who she knows, right? It's
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I mean, there's people, you
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backstage, you know, the skirm
horn and just various things and

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and they probably want to help
you be because you never mail it

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in for them. No. I mean, you
could be sick and jet lagged,

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and it's like, you know what
your job is, and you know what

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you have to do, and you do it
with a spot that smile. That's

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right. So maybe

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they need a podcast, and I could
produce the podcast, what

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do you need a podcast? Call Jim
to have them and ask them

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questions that will benefit
people would be amazing. Yeah,

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I've learned so much from them.
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was one of the requirements to
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that's the same good episode
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But I mean that How exciting. I
mean it's like, congratulations

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on, you know, 10 years. What is
that? You know, 3650 days of

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playing those songs, traveling
the world that, like, off the

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top of your head, yeah? I just
had a couple zeros, and just

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never mailing it in, you know,
and just bringing your spirit

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and your energy to the drums.
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are. It's like, it's, it's a
extension of our own spirit and

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energy, yeah. And I really feel
like most drummers are, are more

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often than not, friendly,
approachable, high energy,

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outgoing. People rarely do. I
meet a drummer that's like,

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yeah. Like Steven Wright, yeah,
goes to be here. You know what I

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mean? There are some

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drummers I've seen that are just
like they couldn't get hitting

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the space bar on their laptop.
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I went to a show. I'm not going
to name names or bands or

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anything, but we went to a show
and it's of a band that I want

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to play in, and he just like,
you know, the singer had to go

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back and help him during the
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handle that. Like, the drummer
was like, whatever,

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you know, you do your thing, and
I'm gonna sit here and wait,

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yeah, yeah, interesting. Well,
that's not that guy. No, no, no,

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no. Drummers, I find are
octopuses. They're, we're able

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to get into a lot of other
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maybe it's because we're so
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and, you know, multitasking. I
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what's, you know, everything
that's in front of me here, I

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feel like I'm sitting at, you
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driving thing. Yeah, you're

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totally as a great point. Yeah,
my one of my good buddies, my

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favorite musician in the world,
Akil Thompson, plays with with a

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big time, yeah, he and I talk
about this all that's Chester

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son.

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Chester Thompson. He plays keys.
He plays keys. And just

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keep him away from the drones,
because he can play very well. I

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remember seeing him a lot at the
blue bar in Midtown Nashville,

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going back like 15 years. Yeah,

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yeah. He and I, we get into all
kinds of life and really deep

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conversations about
musicianship. And we we talk

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about the stories that musicians
make up about well, this is all

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I can do. This is what I do. But
we are so multifaceted. To your

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point, if you open that door, I
had this past, maybe since I've

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been in Orlando, had a job as
Director of Sports Performance.

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I can't believe I'm saying that.
This is great. Say it again. Say

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it again. I was Director of
Sports Performance, over 110,000

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square foot facility in Lake
Nona in Orlando, huge facility.

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I got the job, and it was my
first time really. I've had a

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couple other things that I've
been doing since I've been a

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little big time, but this
particular job is, like, very

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corporate. I'm talking about,
you're going to meetings two and

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three times a week, and and
looking at quarter one and

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revenue and and making certain
changes, and being in those

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rooms, I'm like, Oh my gosh.
Musicians are so creative. We're

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so resourceful, and we don't
realize that our skill set can

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be transferred in those rooms
and just light fires every day

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and but we, we take this mindset
of like, Man, I gotta sell out

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to the game. I call it like the
tattoo on face mentality. It's

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like, well, if I'm a musician,
I'm really doing this. I can't

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be doing anything else. It's
lies.

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Man, yeah, it's a mindset. It's
a limited mindset. You heard

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that too, you know, what else am
I? I mean, the previous

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episodes. Guy, what else am I
gonna do? Dude, you're a pilot.

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You've got so many other skill
sets,

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so and, and there's just so much
beauty in. Then someone who sat

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down for their whole life used
their imagination to create

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music, we take it for granted.
It is a beautiful gift. I

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do feel like we get, we get beat
down mentally by the

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expectations and limitations of
our industry. Because if you're

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you know not, if you're not
writing the songs, you're not

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the front person. Sometimes
there's a massive chasm between

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and and so people just accept
their the lot. They're a lot in

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life. But there's, God, you roll
up your sleeves and you just do

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some thinking, and if you're not
not afraid to shout from a

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mountaintop, I exist. And that's
something that, you know, I have

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gotten in trouble for, you know,
hey, you know, I've made some

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mistakes with social media over
promoting, but at the same time,

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I'm also not afraid to let
people know, hey, somebody's

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gonna get the job. Why not me,
right? Mm, hmm, you just throw

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your hat. Why not me throw your
hat in the ring? You know, went

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to Los Angeles for five years at
great expense, on Mondays,

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Tuesdays and Wednesdays for five
years. I studied TV hosting,

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voiceover, improv comedy acting,
and I got my sag card in under

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five years. And there's people
that have been acting for 25

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years that still don't have that
freaking card, and I did it in

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under five years, in only three
days a week. So it's what we do

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with our mind. Starts in the
mind, right? And then the path

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will be revealed. You just have
to have that desire to do

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something, and you're doing it,

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yeah. So one thing that I
learned I want to share about

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this experience, so I worked at
it's a wellness retreat

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facility. It's called on site
workshops. It's about hour and a

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half outside of Nashville, and
people go there and do deep

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healing work. It is phenomenal,
man, I was talking about people

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who are dealing with loss,
death, people who face public

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shame, people were just
overworked. So it's not

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necessarily a 30 day intensive
rehab. It's not, it's not for

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addiction, right? It's just, I
need to go get centered. And I

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worked there. I was hired as the
only coach ever a Karen

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Fairchild connect, by the way,
but I was hired as the only

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coach, and they brought me in,
and they taught me the method of

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how to like walk people from A
to B. And it's fascinating work.

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But one thing that I took from
that was the trauma piece, and I

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realized without trauma, right?
And I define trauma as anytime

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we can't respond from power. So
if you got a situation in your

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life, you can't respond from
power, you form a defensive

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posture internally, with your
emotions, with what you hope

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for, and what I hear you saying
is, man, sometimes, why not me?

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And we get stuck because we have
all these defensive postures of,

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oh, they told me I couldn't that
oh, maybe the way I had to be

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with my parents is not really
conducive to like that voice

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that's inside of me, right? So
at on site I was I had the

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opportunity to see people walk
through those walls, and I

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started realizing, like, oh my
gosh, everything is about

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connecting to that authentic
version. And the trauma creates

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an environment where, if you
gonna heal from it, that's gonna

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be the gift, if you think about
it, if you lose someone, you

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don't have time or energy to
think about anything else other

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than what's gonna get you to
healing in the other side, yeah?

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Like you just you shut down a
noise, right? But it's just, we

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all have different things that
happen, different levels of

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that, but that journey of being
able to connect to this is

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authentically me. I'm good
enough. What's for me is for me.

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What's not is not. We can't be
competing, because we all have a

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different fingerprint, yeah? And
when I learned that, and then

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brought that back to the music,
I'm like, Oh my gosh, this is

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what I want to do. And this is,
this is why the drum journey was

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the drum journey, yeah, my dad,
the way he poured into me, my

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parents, my mom, she's amazing.
This is why, right, like, so I

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can go off on a tangent.

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So the on site thing is, yeah,
is that a franchise or it's just

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here in Middle Tennessee? So

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they have one here. They have a
location in California as well.

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Um, the one here is the flagship
program. Is the Living Center

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Program, yeah, and music cares,
does an amazing job of

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connecting musicians so it is
not cheap. I'll say that

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I was gonna say a retreat where
you go to recenter. Yes, this is

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upper income. Yes, that can
afford this. Yes.

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Uh, five days, all inclusive,
they take your phone, but, uh,

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Mills, but the awesome
opportunity musicians have is

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music cares. They see us, and
they have opportunities through

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music cares where, if you're in
a way, or your spouse is in a

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way, or a loved one, they can
help you build a bridge to go

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there and experience that work,
yeah, and my hope is, because

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what I've done in the last few
years started to realize, like,

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Okay, I see a journey that helps
people deal with their mental

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health. But then I started
realizing, like, wait a minute,

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that's the same journey for high
performance. There is no

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disconnect. And once you
realize, oh man, the same things

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that are stopping me from
showing up and being able to

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connect to my relationship are
the same things that are

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stopping me from connecting with
the instrument I'm being robbed

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of being present because of what
happened to me. Right? Yeah. So

428
00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:01,020
I've been on this journey of
like, oh my gosh, these there's

429
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:05,040
the blueprint is very similar.
How can I spread that to as many

430
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,340
people as possible? Yeah, and
learn along the way. So that's

431
00:26:08,340 --> 00:26:09,780
what fires me up. So from

432
00:26:09,780 --> 00:26:12,780
studying all this, yeah,
psychology, mental health, high

433
00:26:12,780 --> 00:26:18,240
performance tactics, when you
sit behind the drums these days,

434
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,500
are you treating your
performance differently, or the

435
00:26:21,500 --> 00:26:24,800
things that are happening in
your mind differently? Yes,

436
00:26:24,860 --> 00:26:25,580
different,

437
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:30,200
yes, yeah, I would say number
one thing. So if you, if you, if

438
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,520
you look at trauma, that
defensive posture I got to

439
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,280
protect myself from things that
look like past, things that hurt

440
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,300
me, yeah, the first way we all
have, we all have that in

441
00:26:40,300 --> 00:26:40,720
different

442
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,440
ways. It could be very subtle,
just the way, the way our

443
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,640
parents talk to us or treated
us. Yes, I

444
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,820
also believe we have like
versions of performance trauma.

445
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,740
I didn't get that audition. So
I'm gonna protect myself from

446
00:26:56,740 --> 00:27:00,660
putting myself in those
situations by being defensive,

447
00:27:00,660 --> 00:27:03,060
and I'm gonna fly a little bit
lower, like a diet version of

448
00:27:03,060 --> 00:27:10,260
myself, so I don't hurt again.
Wow, right? So we get robbed of

449
00:27:10,260 --> 00:27:15,120
the present moment, if I can, if
I'm thinking about like I've

450
00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:19,500
been, I've been working on this
concept. It comes from a

451
00:27:19,740 --> 00:27:23,120
therapeutic concept, but it
basically says, Okay, we

452
00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:27,320
organize that internal voice in
three ways, either the parent,

453
00:27:27,860 --> 00:27:32,000
the adult or the child, right?
It's called transactional

454
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:36,380
analysis. If you think about it
like this, and the parent voice

455
00:27:36,380 --> 00:27:40,240
is super concerned with the
future. Don't do that if you

456
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,240
think about any, any kind of
mental self talk that's got that

457
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,480
wagon finger, and a lot of times
it comes from whoever our

458
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,680
caretaker was or wasn't, yeah,
right, don't do this. Don't do

459
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:51,100
that, yeah,

460
00:27:51,100 --> 00:27:54,940
my dad was scary, right? Yeah,
anxious. That's

461
00:27:54,940 --> 00:27:58,360
right. About the future, that's
right, that's right, the child,

462
00:27:58,420 --> 00:28:04,140
the child version, consumed with
the past, right? And you know,

463
00:28:04,260 --> 00:28:07,560
you can bounce between these
voices. They might be applicable

464
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,340
in certain moments, but you want
to be consumed with the adult,

465
00:28:11,700 --> 00:28:16,680
because the adult is present.
The adult pauses before here,

466
00:28:16,740 --> 00:28:20,360
her speaks and can make
decisions based on the present

467
00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:24,140
moment. So if I'm playing music
grooving, which is my favorite

468
00:28:24,140 --> 00:28:28,160
thing, is about being present.
And I learned that from

469
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,980
Broadway, because you never know
who you're gonna play with. And

470
00:28:30,980 --> 00:28:33,200
everybody's like, Oh man, I
don't want to go down there and

471
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,660
you're gonna be playing with all
these guys. I'm like, man, what

472
00:28:35,660 --> 00:28:37,400
an opportunity to figure out how
to

473
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,740
like stretches you play with
stretches.

474
00:28:40,940 --> 00:28:44,200
Okay, what does the band need to
groove right now? And I'm going

475
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:45,040
to become that.

476
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,120
So you did your time down there?
Oh yeah. When was that? Oh

477
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:53,860
man, after Katie armagedd, yeah,
I probably, I've played on

478
00:28:53,860 --> 00:28:57,820
Broadway most of my time. A
little big time, yeah.

479
00:28:57,940 --> 00:29:03,240
Oh yeah. So that never bothered
you to say, Okay, I got a drum

480
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,380
tech. I'm with this huge act. We
got busses and catered meals,

481
00:29:07,380 --> 00:29:11,220
and now I'm going to slip my
drums down into Legends and and

482
00:29:11,220 --> 00:29:11,820
play for tips

483
00:29:11,820 --> 00:29:14,460
Absolutely. That didn't bother
you, no, because it's about,

484
00:29:14,460 --> 00:29:17,220
it's about skill acquisition,
all right, right,

485
00:29:17,220 --> 00:29:20,340
Jim, this is, it's good stuff.
This is good stuff because

486
00:29:21,660 --> 00:29:24,920
a lot of folks are like on do
that.

487
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:31,520
So for me, it goes back to the
football thing. In my culture of

488
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,760
sports, you don't make it to the
NFL and stop lifting weights,

489
00:29:35,060 --> 00:29:40,060
right? It's triple down at that
triple down, right? Drums. I

490
00:29:40,060 --> 00:29:44,620
love playing the drums. I love
it. So I want to be the best

491
00:29:44,620 --> 00:29:48,280
player I can be. The gigs will
be a symptom. If Little Big Town

492
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,640
ended tomorrow, you know, you're
still gonna play the drums. I'm

493
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,720
gonna play the drums. I love
helping people's song come to

494
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,440
life and using the instrument
Amen And and so for me, I'm

495
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,180
like, Okay. If people practice
eight hours a day, why do I feel

496
00:30:03,180 --> 00:30:07,140
like I'm excluded? Like, if
that's what it takes, that's

497
00:30:07,140 --> 00:30:09,540
what it takes, that's an
opportunity to play for four

498
00:30:09,540 --> 00:30:12,960
hours with people and make some
money. So you're

499
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:19,200
getting the little, big town gig
was, you're almost like a hyper

500
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,180
validation from the universe,
like, Hey, I'm good. This

501
00:30:23,180 --> 00:30:27,200
happened. I achieved this thing,
and now I'm gonna keep working

502
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:28,040
on this skill set.

503
00:30:28,100 --> 00:30:31,820
Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah. I mean,
and even, even getting the gig,

504
00:30:31,820 --> 00:30:34,220
was, it was insane. It was
insane. So was

505
00:30:34,340 --> 00:30:37,520
there people are always asking,
you know, hey, is the audition

506
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,780
thing a thing anymore? And I'm
like, doesn't seem like it, it

507
00:30:40,780 --> 00:30:44,560
seems like it's all
relationships, yes, guys calling

508
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,560
their buddies, yes, right? But
that was a big audition, right?

509
00:30:47,620 --> 00:30:49,720
It was like, it was like a
cattle call.

510
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,480
I don't know if it was a cattle
maybe a cattle call before they

511
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,840
start bringing people in, but
uh, Seth, put my name in a hat,

512
00:30:56,020 --> 00:31:01,000
gotcha. And I was playing with
David nails. So they, they it's,

513
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,300
I want to tell the story,
because I love Seth, and I know

514
00:31:03,300 --> 00:31:06,480
Seth has been on the show, Heck,
yeah. And I really want to,

515
00:31:08,220 --> 00:31:12,000
I love that dude, Seth Roush,
What's up, buddy? We go way back

516
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,640
to and, you know, I remember
first meeting him, and he was

517
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,400
just playing with everybody, and
he had his rock tea and his

518
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,200
blazer on. I was like, Yo male
model. I mean, you know, the

519
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,060
kitty and just like, crushing
it, I'm like,

520
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,180
he looked like when he walked
in. Chris Cornell. Chris

521
00:31:26,180 --> 00:31:28,520
Cornell, totally looks like.
Chris. Getting back to what

522
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,540
you're saying about the voice in
your head you follow a lot of, I

523
00:31:32,540 --> 00:31:36,260
would imagine the same people
that I follow, Gary V and

524
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,400
CARDONE and stuff like that.
Bradley. Bradley,

525
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:41,980
yeah. So

526
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,120
I got some opinions about all
those guys. Yeah, yeah. I'm sure

527
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,000
you do awkward silence. So Brad

528
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,060
Lee has said something in the
past that's always resonated

529
00:31:52,060 --> 00:31:54,880
with me. He's, I'm actually
going to his house on Sunday,

530
00:31:54,940 --> 00:31:57,820
yeah, reconfigure his studio for
him. He called me today, but he

531
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:05,940
he said, what pronoun is the
voice in your head using? And I

532
00:32:05,940 --> 00:32:10,560
was like, Is it a you, or is it
a me? Type of, you know, I'm

533
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,040
gonna do the lose 50 pounds by,
you know, my birthday? No,

534
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:19,980
you're not. Or no, I'm not that
way. I was like, Oh, that's

535
00:32:19,980 --> 00:32:23,000
good. You ever pay attention to
the pro town? What pronouns they

536
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,620
use? Yeah, yeah, that crazy,
yeah, because I mean, it's true,

537
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,960
yeah, it's external, or it's
you,

538
00:32:30,260 --> 00:32:33,740
absolutely. And a lot of times
that gets convoluted.

539
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,140
So, so what are your opinions on
those guys? Well,

540
00:32:37,220 --> 00:32:41,380
I'll more talk about what I feel
like. Don't forget your story

541
00:32:41,380 --> 00:32:47,440
about Seth, yeah, sorry, it'll
transition. I'm a big love. I'm

542
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,980
a faith based Christian, dude,
yeah. And one thing that I

543
00:32:50,980 --> 00:32:57,100
learned at on site that just it
was huge. I dove into a

544
00:32:57,100 --> 00:33:00,040
therapeutic model called
internal family systems. And the

545
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,660
idea is that our internal
environment is different parts,

546
00:33:03,660 --> 00:33:07,500
different voices, and even when
it comes to addiction, we don't

547
00:33:07,500 --> 00:33:13,260
have any bad parts. And if you
have parts of a family that are

548
00:33:13,380 --> 00:33:18,600
out of control or overreacting,
you don't stand up to them. You

549
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,880
don't. People don't they're not
lacking willpower. You know it's

550
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,720
not about I'm not strong enough
to say, no, what have you loved

551
00:33:26,780 --> 00:33:31,520
yourself in the right position,
right? It's not about cursing

552
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,960
yourself down off the ledge. I
feel like there's an alternate

553
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:40,240
way to healing and operating
from health, and I think, is

554
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:47,440
based in extreme compassion,
extreme curiosity and and things

555
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:52,840
like that, as opposed to the
finger. And, you know, I can't

556
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,540
believe you did that again. You
know, if you think about it,

557
00:33:55,540 --> 00:33:59,080
didn't work well in music,
either. Yeah, and, and you'll

558
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,860
groove better when it's when
it's your breathing, which I

559
00:34:01,860 --> 00:34:09,120
learned from Seth. But Seth and
I preached this man, take

560
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,000
responsibility for your
inspiration. Anything inspires

561
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,940
you, I don't care if it's the
most small thing you're curious

562
00:34:14,940 --> 00:34:18,660
about. Keep going down that road
and you get to that, that part

563
00:34:18,660 --> 00:34:21,140
where you talking about earlier,
like, this is me. It's my

564
00:34:21,140 --> 00:34:26,360
authentic version. So I was
playing with David Neil, and I

565
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:31,880
loved Little Big time. And I
love more specifically, Seth, to

566
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,600
the point where I would listen
to all his records and like, I'm

567
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:42,640
like, Man, Seth does that a lot.
Pontoon. Boom, he does that.

568
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,820
Even when I say it, I can feel
like his body motion and so,

569
00:34:45,820 --> 00:34:50,140
like, I'm like, my buddy, Blaine
knew him, and I said, Blaine,

570
00:34:50,140 --> 00:34:52,540
we're playing with little, big
town this festival, like, later

571
00:34:52,540 --> 00:34:56,020
this month, you got to connect
me with Seth. He texted him.

572
00:34:56,020 --> 00:34:58,660
Seth was like, yeah, we'll
connect. So I meet Seth in a

573
00:34:58,660 --> 00:35:02,340
trailer. Um. For this, this con.
It was like, you know, with the

574
00:35:02,340 --> 00:35:04,860
wood pan? I'm like, Yeah,
knocking the door. He's in

575
00:35:04,860 --> 00:35:07,260
there, hanging out. I'm like,
the door opens up. He's got a

576
00:35:07,260 --> 00:35:12,720
light over his head. I'm like,
No. Like, Seth, Rush. So I sit

577
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:17,940
down, and I proceed to ask this
man probably 1000 questions in

578
00:35:17,940 --> 00:35:21,260
an hour. Like, dude, what were
you thinking on tornado? Why

579
00:35:21,260 --> 00:35:25,160
didn't you play the hi hat? What
on pontoon? Like, where'd that

580
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:29,300
groove come from? And then it
got I'm like, don't think I'm

581
00:35:29,300 --> 00:35:33,800
weird. I know you got five kids.
How do you do it? Like, I heard

582
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,160
that, you know? Like, it's like
a legend around little big time.

583
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:42,940
He used the runner every day to
go to mass or church, and his

584
00:35:42,940 --> 00:35:45,760
faith was very important to him,
so I was just asking him, how do

585
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,140
you integrate in all these
things?

586
00:35:47,500 --> 00:35:50,860
Wow, he's taking the runner to
go to church every show day. I

587
00:35:50,860 --> 00:35:52,180
don't know if I was supposed to
share

588
00:35:52,180 --> 00:35:56,140
that. Wow. He's very
disciplined. And, like, I just

589
00:35:56,140 --> 00:35:57,520
look up to him so much, wow.

590
00:35:57,700 --> 00:36:00,720
Um, and he had five kids, and
you're like, I'm doing six.

591
00:36:00,780 --> 00:36:01,320
Well, he's got

592
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,020
six now he had another one.

593
00:36:05,700 --> 00:36:09,240
Yeah, so, so, so he's kind of
looking at me, like, man, you

594
00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:13,260
really listened. I'm like, Yeah,
bro. Like, I love what you do.

595
00:36:13,260 --> 00:36:19,020
Your groove is, like, it
inspired me, yeah? So he, he

596
00:36:19,020 --> 00:36:22,880
came out. I saw him watch me. He
play, watch two songs, and I'm

597
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,720
like, All right. I saw him walk
off the stage. I didn't think

598
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:28,880
anything of it. And a few months
later,

599
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,300
well, I'll say this, I asked
him. I said, Seth, your

600
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,140
little big time. You're playing
on the records. What's next for

601
00:36:36,140 --> 00:36:39,200
you? He's like, dude, nothing's
next. I love this band. I get to

602
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:43,120
play on the records. We work,
just enough great. He didn't

603
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,640
know about Keith Urban. He's
gonna call him. So when he got

604
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,700
the call, he put my name in the
hat for the audition. Well,

605
00:36:48,700 --> 00:36:50,920
it's perfect, because it's
awesome. He loved your vibe and

606
00:36:50,980 --> 00:36:53,860
energy. And he also knew you
knew the material. Yeah, you're

607
00:36:53,860 --> 00:36:54,280
like, plug

608
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,860
and play. That's right. So I
kind of cheated in the audition.

609
00:36:56,860 --> 00:37:00,600
Of like, I've been thinking
about this moment. I've been

610
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,080
watching little, big town and
thinking, if I got that gig,

611
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:08,520
this is what I would do with it,
right? And I think Karen

612
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:14,100
appreciates that, and she felt
my conviction right, because you

613
00:37:14,100 --> 00:37:17,040
got all you know, in Audition,
it's all kinds of nerves flying.

614
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,020
But I was convicted about, this
is what I got to say about if I

615
00:37:21,020 --> 00:37:24,080
had this opportunity, right?
Yeah, and I got all these kids,

616
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,900
so I need some help. Yeah,

617
00:37:28,100 --> 00:37:31,880
somebody tells me you're a great
dad. I mean, I try, I mean, but

618
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,820
that seems like a, I mean, I'm
just like, one child would be

619
00:37:34,820 --> 00:37:38,060
such a just a challenge. So,

620
00:37:38,540 --> 00:37:41,260
yeah, I think the secret to
being a great dad is thinking

621
00:37:41,260 --> 00:37:43,960
that you're an awful dad, yeah,
that's, that's where, that's

622
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,600
what I think about me. That's
where I

623
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,420
am, Jim, you are not an awful
dad. Well, that's the but

624
00:37:49,420 --> 00:37:49,780
that's,

625
00:37:49,780 --> 00:37:52,840
you know, it kind of keeps you
grounded. Yeah? You know that I

626
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,380
could be always doing better,
yeah? And, you know, your kids

627
00:37:56,380 --> 00:37:57,580
will remind you if you screw

628
00:37:57,580 --> 00:38:01,260
up Absolutely. Seems incredibly
difficult to find the balance

629
00:38:01,260 --> 00:38:06,960
between being friendly and
nurturing and loving and at the

630
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,320
same time being a task master
and letting them know that they

631
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:15,000
messed up and punishing them.
And that's a lot,

632
00:38:16,260 --> 00:38:18,840
especially when you're working
in a mental health space and you

633
00:38:18,900 --> 00:38:23,180
sit with people and you realize
your parents screwed you up. And

634
00:38:23,180 --> 00:38:28,220
my parents, no one's parents are
perfect, and most of the time,

635
00:38:28,220 --> 00:38:32,600
you can trace certain behavior
patterns back to parents. And

636
00:38:33,500 --> 00:38:39,140
for me, my wife is phenomenal.
She's like the one person that

637
00:38:39,140 --> 00:38:43,420
could navigate what we've tried
to build, what we've been

638
00:38:43,420 --> 00:38:47,740
building, and so, and someone
said this to me one time, like,

639
00:38:47,740 --> 00:38:50,920
you know, what you're trying to
do is impossible. I'm like,

640
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,400
Yeah, that's right, it's
impossible. That gives me some

641
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:55,840
grace, yeah, but

642
00:38:56,260 --> 00:38:59,860
I mean to be an amazing father,
yeah? And then build your

643
00:38:59,860 --> 00:39:03,120
speaking and play the drums and
all the travel associated with

644
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,480
it. Last time I checked, it's
only 24 hours in the day, yeah,

645
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:11,160
but they drive me, yeah. Like, I
don't. I love playing the drums,

646
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:17,580
but like, my decisions are made
around providing, and that's why

647
00:39:17,580 --> 00:39:21,140
it's important for me, and my
hope is that I get more

648
00:39:21,140 --> 00:39:23,480
opportunities with, like, I
appreciate this, to speak to

649
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,660
musicians. And it's like, we
come up with these dreams when

650
00:39:26,660 --> 00:39:29,180
we're young. We don't really
calculate. All right, so when I

651
00:39:29,180 --> 00:39:31,520
get married, if I want to get
married, and then when I have

652
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,900
kids, like, how am I going to do
that, you know, and still play?

653
00:39:36,380 --> 00:39:40,300
And I think, man, the heart
position and the reasons why you

654
00:39:40,300 --> 00:39:44,440
do it? They have to. They have
to line up, right? And if they

655
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:49,000
don't, you know, figure out your
priorities and then work from

656
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,300
there. Yeah, and I want to be
the one that helps people do

657
00:39:52,300 --> 00:39:58,600
that. Like there are a lot of
dads and moms that are trying to

658
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,940
figure out I have. This love for
this music, and this is what

659
00:40:02,940 --> 00:40:06,300
it's going to take for me to go
out and do it. And I have this

660
00:40:06,300 --> 00:40:10,860
love for these children and my
spouse. How do they both

661
00:40:10,860 --> 00:40:17,520
coexist? And I don't know that
there's enough resources out

662
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,040
there, or people talking about
that, like, I love parados. I'm

663
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:24,020
a nerd. I love all that. I love
it, but I appreciate the

664
00:40:24,020 --> 00:40:24,860
opportunity there

665
00:40:24,860 --> 00:40:28,580
might be, there might be a like
a book or a coaching program for

666
00:40:28,580 --> 00:40:33,560
musicians. I mean, I see that
now, now I know that you have

667
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:40,060
been starting to speak, and are
you, what kind of venues are

668
00:40:40,060 --> 00:40:43,360
hiring you, and what is the
angle of your talk?

669
00:40:44,260 --> 00:40:49,180
So, beautiful thing about being
at on site, I can pretty much go

670
00:40:49,180 --> 00:40:53,080
in any direction, right? I've
been dealing with a lot more

671
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,080
football players, so I'd go a
lot of college football teams

672
00:40:56,500 --> 00:40:57,100
and speak. They're

673
00:40:57,100 --> 00:41:00,660
probably and people love music.
They're enamored. It's like a

674
00:41:00,660 --> 00:41:03,060
mystical it's like a it's like,
I don't want to call it like a

675
00:41:03,060 --> 00:41:05,880
dark art but it's like, it's
such a mystery. Musical

676
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,180
artists want to be athletes, and
athletes absolutely always.

677
00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:09,840
Every

678
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,540
time there's athletes backstage,
they're just like, oh my god,

679
00:41:12,540 --> 00:41:16,200
you guys are living the dream,
and you're filthy rich, like

680
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:16,980
you're rich.

681
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:25,280
Yeah, it's very interesting. My
one of my main messages is about

682
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:29,780
transition and figuring out
transferable skills. Yeah,

683
00:41:29,780 --> 00:41:34,520
right. That's huge for me,
because when I went through the

684
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,640
phase, I talked about where,
okay, not a football player.

685
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,440
That hurt. But it's also a
blessing in that, because it's

686
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,700
like, Wait, I don't need that
ball to define my ego anymore.

687
00:41:46,420 --> 00:41:49,780
What I learned was how to learn
from people, yeah, how to be

688
00:41:49,780 --> 00:41:53,740
very detailed about watching
someone else perform, and then

689
00:41:53,740 --> 00:41:56,920
being able to put all those
traits and characteristics in my

690
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,240
own bag. That's what I learned.
I learned about what is the

691
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:02,160
actual culture of getting
better.

692
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,060
You also, I guess, of a side,
seeing you from the outside, you

693
00:42:06,060 --> 00:42:09,240
put a lot of emphasis on the
identity being in football, but

694
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,180
you also had the identity as
being a drummer. Maybe the

695
00:42:12,180 --> 00:42:15,720
emphasis the hierarchy, is more
priority to football. In your

696
00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:19,380
mind, it was, yeah, it was,
here's the thing, and I always

697
00:42:19,380 --> 00:42:22,340
talk about this with athletes,
is that even my wife grew up

698
00:42:22,340 --> 00:42:26,960
very athletic, her brothers did
as well. I said, here's the

699
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,840
thing about the difference
between that kids like me who

700
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:34,580
took the musical path versus the
athletic path, is that at some

701
00:42:34,580 --> 00:42:37,220
time, at some point, the
athletic path, you just can't do

702
00:42:37,220 --> 00:42:40,120
it anymore. That's right, your
body can win poses, yeah. The

703
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,640
musician path, you can do it
into your 60s. And

704
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,760
the speaker path, you could do
it till you drop dead with that

705
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,500
mic in your hand. Boom.

706
00:42:47,620 --> 00:42:51,040
That's why I love it. That's why
I love it. And one thing about

707
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,260
music, and I was trying to
explain this to my daughter,

708
00:42:53,380 --> 00:42:56,560
probably being a little bit too
hardcore. She's only 11, and

709
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,660
playing flute. Her concerts are
this week, and I hate that I

710
00:43:00,660 --> 00:43:06,060
missed him but, but she's like,
Dad, it's just this one piece.

711
00:43:06,060 --> 00:43:08,940
I'm really struggling with it.
I'm like, well, babe, when's

712
00:43:08,940 --> 00:43:12,540
your concert Friday? I'm like,
What's today is Monday? Game

713
00:43:12,540 --> 00:43:16,080
practice? I'm like, here's the
thing about music, it's a lot

714
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,260
different from sports and
football. You can train all day

715
00:43:19,260 --> 00:43:23,720
and eat, eat eat well, and, you
know, make sacrifices and play

716
00:43:23,720 --> 00:43:26,480
running back and someone not
blocking, you can't run through

717
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:32,060
the hole, right? Music, you know
the song is going to be 334, you

718
00:43:32,060 --> 00:43:35,780
know when it's going to happen.
You You have heard either the

719
00:43:35,780 --> 00:43:40,040
drummer who recorded it. You've
heard you know you you can

720
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,820
create a plan about how you want
to execute it, and it's just

721
00:43:42,820 --> 00:43:47,140
about, are you going to be
willing to sit there and be

722
00:43:47,140 --> 00:43:52,060
patient enough to to master that
performance and then do it in

723
00:43:52,060 --> 00:43:54,760
front of people or with people?
Yes, you know what the song is

724
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,280
going to be. Yeah, there is no
guessing game. Yeah.

725
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,040
I mean, in football, anything
can happen, right? You're

726
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,420
guessing what the play is gonna
be, and then as that play is

727
00:44:03,420 --> 00:44:07,380
happening, you got a jib and jab
in the moment. It's like jazz.

728
00:44:07,380 --> 00:44:13,020
It is true improvisation. I wish
I had played sports a little bit

729
00:44:13,020 --> 00:44:16,740
more, like I experimented with
some things. I mean, I was a

730
00:44:16,740 --> 00:44:23,060
pretty dang good disco roller
skater. I was a speed skater,

731
00:44:23,060 --> 00:44:26,900
which is a very bougie New
England thing to do. And I tried

732
00:44:26,900 --> 00:44:32,240
T ball, but I just knew I had
those sticks. Yeah, man, you

733
00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:35,300
know, they kicked the soccer
ball to me. I ran the wrong way.

734
00:44:35,300 --> 00:44:40,180
I mean, I just it wasn't my
thing. I was but, and I will

735
00:44:40,180 --> 00:44:43,540
say, if you guys are, if you
guys feel like this podcast, is

736
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,980
that the I'd hit that podcast,
it's a very famous podcast, but

737
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,160
it's really noisy. Yeah, he's
always set up at some restaurant

738
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:56,080
or something, Jim's, this is his
place of business, and he's

739
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,600
having his Christmas party out
there. Yeah, so people are

740
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,780
starting to eat through sugar
cookie. Season they're getting

741
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:02,220
home, she worked up on sugar,

742
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,240
yeah, certainly not alcohol,
that's for sure. No way, no,

743
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:09,900
no way. So this, I mean, this
is, this is fascinating. And as

744
00:45:09,900 --> 00:45:12,600
you know, it's my thing, my
challenge, even all these years

745
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:16,320
in, you know, as a speaker, you
know that entire industry seems

746
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,100
to run most effectively being
you're represented by a bureau,

747
00:45:20,100 --> 00:45:22,340
so you're with Washington
speakers bureau, or you're with

748
00:45:22,460 --> 00:45:25,640
all these different little
boutique bureaus, and somebody

749
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,160
you know from corporate America,
you know, they call up the

750
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,260
agency, and they're like, you
know, we need somebody in the

751
00:45:30,260 --> 00:45:32,840
entertainment space, or we need
someone in the education space.

752
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,380
And we'd like it to be below
this dollar amount. And if you

753
00:45:36,380 --> 00:45:39,560
go above this dollar amount, you
know, you can get our ex

754
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,820
saxophone playing president. But
if you go down this direction,

755
00:45:42,820 --> 00:45:46,720
you can get a drummer, you know,
so, but the thing is, is that

756
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:48,940
the whole industry is based on
that, and it's they don't

757
00:45:48,940 --> 00:45:54,700
necessarily market on your
behalf and go to the you know,

758
00:45:55,720 --> 00:46:00,840
get down and dirty for you. They
just respond to the interest

759
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:06,060
from the caller. So how do we
figure out how to get more work?

760
00:46:06,060 --> 00:46:09,840
And for me, it's just been
through human relationships. You

761
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,320
know? Is that how you find you
get your gigs? Yeah,

762
00:46:13,380 --> 00:46:18,060
so man, like I got, I've spoke.
I did universal, Universal

763
00:46:18,060 --> 00:46:24,260
Studios in Orlando, big I spoke,
and it went really well, and I

764
00:46:24,260 --> 00:46:29,300
traded tickets, lot of tickets,
but they called me back this

765
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,360
this past week and said, Hey,
can you come back and speak

766
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,000
again so you repeat business?
Yeah, I'm like, this is, this is

767
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,820
awesome. It's great. And I can,
I could definitely be a lot more

768
00:46:37,820 --> 00:46:42,880
strategic in the speaking lane,
but I think I was just speaking

769
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,600
on mental health, yeah, and and
performance, because to me, it's

770
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,020
the same thing. I don't, I
don't, there are, there's two

771
00:46:50,020 --> 00:46:52,660
schools of thinking. There's a
lot of people who feel like, if

772
00:46:52,660 --> 00:46:55,300
you take an athlete or a
musician, you get them out of

773
00:46:55,300 --> 00:46:58,300
that environment, you rescue
them, and then you put them in a

774
00:46:58,300 --> 00:47:01,380
space to just really work on
their mental health. But you and

775
00:47:01,380 --> 00:47:06,060
I know, if the gig doesn't go
well, we sit with that, yeah

776
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:09,840
and, and the way to get me from
A to B and operating from the

777
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:14,460
healthy versions of myself, we
got to address how I'm playing,

778
00:47:14,700 --> 00:47:18,360
how I'm not playing, yeah, like,
what are the gaps? Like, let's

779
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:22,760
deal with that. So to me, I mix
high performance and mental

780
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:28,100
health. So whatever it is that
you do, it's two things. Same

781
00:47:28,100 --> 00:47:32,300
thing to me, high performance in
relationships, because what I

782
00:47:32,300 --> 00:47:37,520
found is people get broken in
three ways, in relationship with

783
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,600
relationship with other people,
with themselves or their higher

784
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:46,360
power and and you can put it in
that box of once we get broken,

785
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,500
we get defensive. So if I can
help people build that bridge

786
00:47:50,500 --> 00:47:55,000
back to being connected with
that hopeful version of me,

787
00:47:55,060 --> 00:47:58,480
yeah, or what I hoped about you
in our relationship or my higher

788
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:03,120
power, whatever it is, right?
Um, that's good work. So I just

789
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:07,680
try to operate from that lens.
And somebody can tell me

790
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,400
anything. Hey, Hubert we want
our employees to be better at

791
00:48:11,460 --> 00:48:16,140
having difficult conversations?
I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna bring

792
00:48:16,140 --> 00:48:19,800
it back to that. Okay, what's
your self talk? Are you able to

793
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,060
have difficult conversations
with yourself. You know what I

794
00:48:23,060 --> 00:48:25,040
mean? Start there, no. So

795
00:48:25,580 --> 00:48:28,580
a lot of times, you know, I'll
have a difficult conversation

796
00:48:28,580 --> 00:48:30,440
with myself in the mirror, and
then

797
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,400
I go, All right, let's go for
glass one. Yeah,

798
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,260
I'll just bury my bury my
feelings. Which is not the whole

799
00:48:39,260 --> 00:48:43,000
thing about mental health, as we
know that it's, it's a daily

800
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,640
thing. Yeah, it's like, what are
the things that are going to

801
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,740
center you? I mean, I like to
get up in the morning. I have a

802
00:48:47,740 --> 00:48:51,460
little quiet time myself, a nice
dark cup of coffee. I gots to

803
00:48:51,460 --> 00:48:56,620
stretch. I gotta hydrate, I
gotta go on a walk. I gotta read

804
00:48:56,620 --> 00:48:59,080
something, gotta do something
for my that's got to be

805
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,460
difficult to because you know
how they say put yourself first

806
00:49:02,460 --> 00:49:05,040
so you can show up for everyone
else. How do you put yourself

807
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,740
first when you got six kids?
Man, that's

808
00:49:07,740 --> 00:49:12,180
tough. Grace. Yeah, so you said
something. You said, I'll have

809
00:49:12,180 --> 00:49:15,120
this hard talk with myself, and
then I'll just go to the wine.

810
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:20,280
Dang. That's public record,
guys, I think I I think

811
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,400
here's, here's here's what's
important, though, there's a lot

812
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,400
of people that are in that
cycle, and it might not be wine,

813
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,760
it might be something else.
Sure, I feel like we all

814
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,600
perfectly got right where we are
right, and understanding that,

815
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,960
and throwing in a ton of grace,
you know, we're just all trying

816
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,600
to figure out how to make it
work. And if you approach

817
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,860
yourself with grace, like, as
far as far as what I know that's

818
00:49:41,860 --> 00:49:43,360
the best way to do it. In other
words,

819
00:49:43,900 --> 00:49:46,420
don't be so hard on your That's
right, that's right. Like, push

820
00:49:46,420 --> 00:49:50,080
yourself. But if something
happens where you don't get your

821
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,780
workout in, or you don't get
your me time, or something

822
00:49:52,780 --> 00:49:55,600
doesn't go as planned, don't be
so hard, I know.

823
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:59,140
So you love it into right size,
and I bet you it would go a

824
00:49:59,140 --> 00:50:03,120
whole lot better. And, you know,
especially high performers, like

825
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,780
I would imagine, the internal,
rich voice on the drums is like,

826
00:50:06,780 --> 00:50:08,940
Hey, man, you gotta, you gotta
be more clean. You gotta really

827
00:50:09,180 --> 00:50:12,780
give this part the energy it
needs. Yeah. But a lot of times

828
00:50:12,780 --> 00:50:16,380
that voice spills out into our
relationships. And I'ma speak

829
00:50:16,380 --> 00:50:20,600
from personal experience. The
guy, the voice here, my dad's a

830
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:25,100
very hands on. He was
disciplinary and very like

831
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,540
present with me, mine too. And
his voice is that critical.

832
00:50:29,540 --> 00:50:34,520
Voice is there, and is great for
developing on the drums or, you

833
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:38,000
know, skill set, it is not so
great developing in relationship

834
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:42,580
with the woman or even my kids,
right? Was he encouraging,

835
00:50:42,580 --> 00:50:45,340
though? To you? Oh, yeah. Super
encouraging. Very positive,

836
00:50:45,340 --> 00:50:47,080
dude. Yeah. I

837
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,960
had my brother on my podcast not
too long ago, and you remember

838
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,840
my brother said, what lives in
his head is our father telling

839
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:56,020
him, if you go to music, you're
going to be a garbage man.

840
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,620
That's tough. And that, I mean,
but that that your brother took

841
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:01,920
that to heart, yeah,

842
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,360
but he, he ended up doing the
path that was laid before him

843
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,960
instead of what he felt like he
could do. Yeah, you know, he

844
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:13,260
became the attorney. He went to
college, and he does that. He's

845
00:51:13,260 --> 00:51:15,900
okay being he's happy being an
attorney. He's a great attorney,

846
00:51:16,140 --> 00:51:18,420
but he's at the stage of life
where he could move here and

847
00:51:18,420 --> 00:51:21,620
have leverage and give it a
shot. And I've been encouraging

848
00:51:21,620 --> 00:51:23,780
him to do that, yeah, hopefully
he does. So, yeah.

849
00:51:23,780 --> 00:51:27,500
So on that point, it's never too
late to step into your

850
00:51:27,500 --> 00:51:31,700
authenticity, because it's
always there. It's always there.

851
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,440
I mean, I like, I have my own
band now, the networks, funk

852
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:37,100
band. Yeah, tell

853
00:51:37,100 --> 00:51:39,680
me. So what was the inspiration
to be like you just wanted to

854
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,980
have a creative outlet for
yourself, where you can call the

855
00:51:41,980 --> 00:51:45,880
shots, pick the repertoire, hire
the players, you get it, yeah?

856
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:46,300
Because

857
00:51:46,300 --> 00:51:50,560
at a point you realize being an
amazing side man is being an

858
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:54,100
amazing waiter. Yeah, I'm here
to serve. We serve you. Don't

859
00:51:54,100 --> 00:51:57,100
want me to play the symbol. I
will not. And I'm a smile, not

860
00:51:57,100 --> 00:51:59,380
playing the symbol. That's
right, and that's the gig.

861
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:03,000
That's right. It's not my gig.
It's not my business. And that

862
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:09,600
reflects, you know, and and the
you know, it's not my band. I'm

863
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,480
happy to be here. I will
contribute as much as you'd

864
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:17,520
like, my ideas or not, yeah. But
with my band, I just, I got some

865
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,540
guys together that I felt like I
wanted to play with. Like, who

866
00:52:20,540 --> 00:52:22,700
could I just play with? Two
o'clock in the afternoon? Who

867
00:52:22,700 --> 00:52:24,380
would I want to play with? Nice

868
00:52:24,500 --> 00:52:27,440
and that's a great way to, yeah,
to find the guys, yeah. Who

869
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,960
would I want to play with, just
right now, right now

870
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:34,220
and and what's interesting that
I found, we just started getting

871
00:52:34,220 --> 00:52:37,940
in a room and playing, and I
found, I feel like I found my

872
00:52:37,940 --> 00:52:41,860
voice, like I kind of knew who I
was on the drums and what I'm

873
00:52:41,860 --> 00:52:47,200
not, you know, working towards,
yeah, but creating helps you get

874
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:51,460
the fingerprint, you know, like,
Oh, this is my sound, yeah, you

875
00:52:51,460 --> 00:52:54,340
know, so, and being around
people that lift you up too,

876
00:52:54,340 --> 00:52:57,520
that's right, stretch you Yeah?
And it's okay, like, I feel

877
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,040
comfortable enough I try this,
man, you know,

878
00:53:00,100 --> 00:53:03,660
yeah, it's a safe space. Yeah,
to do that, yep, Oh, yeah. I'm

879
00:53:03,660 --> 00:53:06,540
always looking to play different
music and stuff. But I've

880
00:53:06,540 --> 00:53:10,260
mentioned this on so many shows.
The tough part is finding that

881
00:53:10,260 --> 00:53:15,120
front person that doesn't is not
swimming in ego and confront a

882
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:19,560
band can sing, is willing to do
it, you know, because this town

883
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:23,600
is all about I'm a solo artist,
and I've got some people in the

884
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,540
back wearing black. That's the
mentality. So,

885
00:53:26,540 --> 00:53:32,960
so the network is the opposite
of that. Yes, we literally play,

886
00:53:33,860 --> 00:53:39,020
I mean, horns to funk band, no
front person. Oh, everyone takes

887
00:53:39,020 --> 00:53:42,940
turns singing. Someone will take
turns singing or will bring up

888
00:53:42,940 --> 00:53:47,140
people. But it's, it's more
movements, it's funk music. So,

889
00:53:47,140 --> 00:53:48,760
yeah, you know it's,

890
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,840
it's P funk. You're doing James
Brown, you're doing, we music,

891
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:54,640
we create. Oh, it's original.
It's

892
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:58,540
all original funk music. And we
were, I'm super proud of this,

893
00:53:58,540 --> 00:54:01,500
because we were, like, one of
the we did, like a whiskey jam

894
00:54:01,500 --> 00:54:04,560
residency at one point, and it
was like, for a whole month. Do

895
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,620
you guys have a record out? No,
we don't. We haven't even

896
00:54:07,620 --> 00:54:10,560
recorded music yet, but it's
almost like the Trans Siberian

897
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:15,180
Orchestra model, yeah, lead
singers? No, I wanted to do and

898
00:54:15,180 --> 00:54:18,060
it actually makes it very
awkward in an entertaining way.

899
00:54:18,060 --> 00:54:21,140
Yeah, I lead the band. I'll and
we got the mic back

900
00:54:21,140 --> 00:54:23,480
there telling jokes in between
songs and stuff. No, because I

901
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,520
don't like talking. Oh, I guess
it's weird, because, you know,

902
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,200
you give me a mic, we have a
great time.

903
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,280
I'm more like everybody laughing
because I leave, I lead the band

904
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,940
by like, whoo, and we've played
together so much, I would just

905
00:54:34,940 --> 00:54:37,940
kind of, we have, like, a
strategic plan, yeah, and it's,

906
00:54:38,060 --> 00:54:41,440
it's dance music. It's about a
vibe and moment? Well,

907
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,560
that needs to come back the the
experience of going out on a

908
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,140
Friday or Saturday night and
waiting in a line and getting

909
00:54:47,140 --> 00:54:49,480
into a place, and then it's
standing room only, and the

910
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:53,380
people are it's mostly dancing
and it's sweaty, and it's like

911
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,260
the waitress is trying to come
through with the Martini,

912
00:54:56,620 --> 00:54:59,560
spilling it all over the place,
and everyone's just sweaty. And

913
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:03,840
you. Heck, yeah, that's, that's,
that's, that was the goal. That

914
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,000
sounds like a good time, yeah?
And it's kind of like the

915
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,640
opposite of everything else,
yeah, well, I mean,

916
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,860
like, Look at this. I'm looking
at this track record. Were you

917
00:55:10,860 --> 00:55:13,080
on that KEB mo record with Keo?
That was key.

918
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:16,080
I did make the record, but you
played live, but I've played

919
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,120
with Kevin, a ton. He lives

920
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,620
around here, right? Yeah, he's,
man, I'm a brilliant dude. I

921
00:55:21,620 --> 00:55:23,720
mean, I love that, that theme
song of Mike and Molly,

922
00:55:23,780 --> 00:55:30,380
yeah, he's great. Oh God, Adam
Lambert, yeah, yeah. What was

923
00:55:30,380 --> 00:55:32,420
that stuff? A Little Big Town

924
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,780
Oak Ridge Boys, yeah. They came
out. Opry,

925
00:55:36,020 --> 00:55:38,300
Jana Kramer, I toured with Jana

926
00:55:38,300 --> 00:55:41,080
for a little bit. Hunter Hayes,
what happened to Hunter man,

927
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:41,440
man,

928
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:46,180
Hunter, so fun story. I was just
a fan of Hunter man, like,

929
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,120
Hunter is a phenomenal musician,
if people don't

930
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,360
know, it's kind of like a
country John Mayer, kind of next

931
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:57,580
level, right? Like the next
level up. Seriously, yeah. And I

932
00:55:57,580 --> 00:56:02,220
was a fan of his. And one day we
were doing, like, I was playing

933
00:56:02,220 --> 00:56:05,400
with little, big town, and we
were doing awards, and he was

934
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,320
kind of doing, like, you know,
they have, like, if you go to

935
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,140
Vegas, like, the amas used to be
there or something like that,

936
00:56:10,140 --> 00:56:14,100
yeah. But he was doing, like, a
side show, and he was, he only

937
00:56:14,100 --> 00:56:17,280
brought in his MD, and it was a
house band, yeah. And I was

938
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,500
like, I'm gonna go over there
and watch Hunter. So I'm

939
00:56:19,500 --> 00:56:23,060
watching him rehearse. And I'm
like, Man, this is not his vibe.

940
00:56:23,060 --> 00:56:27,500
And he looked at me, and I had
met him before, and I was just

941
00:56:27,500 --> 00:56:30,620
joking. I'm like, bro, I know
all your songs. He's like, what

942
00:56:30,620 --> 00:56:34,400
you want to play. He's like,
because this is, this is so bad

943
00:56:35,540 --> 00:56:39,560
dude in the middle of, like,
getting ready for little big

944
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:43,960
time on, on, like, playing live
TV. I went to my hotel, and just

945
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,320
like he gave me what he's gonna
play, we played, like a, like a,

946
00:56:47,380 --> 00:56:51,160
probably a 60 minute set,
crushed it. He was like, bro,

947
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,140
that was phenomenal. Is this

948
00:56:53,140 --> 00:56:55,480
during the Steve Sinatra, after

949
00:56:55,480 --> 00:57:00,780
after, right after, that's right
after. So I started working with

950
00:57:00,780 --> 00:57:04,200
him like he would bring me in
every once in a while. And I got

951
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:10,680
a call one day from his MD, my
buddy Andy Sheridan. He's like,

952
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:14,160
Hubert Hunter is about to go
into the new year, man, and he

953
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,800
needs a whole new band. It was
like, right when Steve had left

954
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:21,080
for good and and I was like,
dude, well, don't call anybody.

955
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,840
I gotta. I got a band. He's
like, what? I'm like, yeah, man,

956
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,480
I just started my own band. It's
called the network. We're a funk

957
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,420
band, but I think you're gonna
like these guys. And he's like,

958
00:57:29,420 --> 00:57:33,500
Well, when can I hear him? And I
was like, tomorrow. He's like,

959
00:57:33,500 --> 00:57:36,980
all right, where I'm like, my
buddy's garage. And he showed

960
00:57:36,980 --> 00:57:40,540
up. I called my friends, but got
to the band, like, Yo, we got to

961
00:57:40,540 --> 00:57:43,780
get together tomorrow. We didn't
have rehearsal, so he showed up,

962
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,960
drove his very nice car in East
Nashville, parked in front of

963
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:51,100
the garage. Hunter Hayes sits in
the corner. We just played

964
00:57:51,100 --> 00:57:56,500
through a couple songs that we
and he said, Call me back that

965
00:57:56,500 --> 00:57:59,800
night. I want the whole band.
Obviously, I'm like, Man, I

966
00:58:00,340 --> 00:58:03,900
little, big town is really great
for me right now. So he took

967
00:58:03,900 --> 00:58:07,020
that band on the road. And I
call one of my buddies from

968
00:58:07,020 --> 00:58:09,420
Chicago because he's a young
drummer. You probably know him

969
00:58:09,420 --> 00:58:13,620
now. He's phenomenal. Dude named
Dez is black drum hippie on

970
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:17,340
Instagram. Black drum hippie,
yeah, I follow him. So when he

971
00:58:17,340 --> 00:58:19,920
was younger, I met him in
Chicago. He's like, Dude, I want

972
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,700
to play country music. I'm like,
but you got to join the circus,

973
00:58:22,700 --> 00:58:24,140
bro. I got friends in town.

974
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:26,780
That's branding. Oh, I know the
black drum hippie,

975
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:33,020
yeah. So he, I, he came and
stayed with me for the audition,

976
00:58:33,020 --> 00:58:36,140
and I gave him some like, dude,
go play these drums and do it

977
00:58:36,140 --> 00:58:40,040
like this. He, he's, I did not
tell him how to play because

978
00:58:40,460 --> 00:58:42,580
he's elite on drums, yeah, but,
uh,

979
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:45,880
the network, yeah, sounds great.
Well, you next, next step is a

980
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:47,860
record for you guys, or, yeah,
live record.

981
00:58:48,220 --> 00:58:52,240
Yeah, that'd be fun. We so we've
done Hunter, actually, because

982
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,720
he loves the band. He recorded
us. We did like a thing at

983
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,600
Rudy's, and he recorded like a
version of it, yeah? He just

984
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,200
loves the bands, because he
ended up touring with those guys

985
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:02,700
for a couple years. Awesome.
Yeah,

986
00:59:02,700 --> 00:59:06,420
see now you're you're a net,
you're a connector. Yes. I mean,

987
00:59:06,420 --> 00:59:08,700
you set those guys up for
success, yes. And now they're

988
00:59:08,700 --> 00:59:09,720
all a job. Now

989
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:13,200
they all play for the bass
player plays it Lauren and Elena

990
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:17,820
Colton, oh, yeah, yeah. And then
the keys player, Jonathan plays

991
00:59:17,820 --> 00:59:22,220
brothers Osborne. Now, yeah,
those Adam on Adam box. That's

992
00:59:22,220 --> 00:59:25,220
my brother. I love that dude.
Yeah, you want to talk about

993
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,200
that's my spirit animal. Man,
yeah,

994
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,860
you know what I gotta I gotta
apologize to you. I It sounds

995
00:59:30,860 --> 00:59:33,500
like we were off to a really,
really great start together, and

996
00:59:33,500 --> 00:59:36,500
I haven't seen you in years.
Man, oh, man. So I'm just, I've

997
00:59:36,500 --> 00:59:37,760
just been a bad friend. No,

998
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,660
it's all, it's all good because
I was always watching from you,

999
00:59:40,660 --> 00:59:41,680
man, I'm just happy. I'm

1000
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,620
just happy that you're doing the
thing. You got a healthy life,

1001
00:59:44,620 --> 00:59:48,400
healthy family, you got a rock
solid gig celebrating 10 years.

1002
00:59:48,580 --> 00:59:52,240
You know, your build. You got
this side hustle. You got your

1003
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:55,840
speaking thing happening. I
think the I think the book is

1004
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,660
next. You write a book gives you
a little bit more credibility.

1005
00:59:58,660 --> 01:00:00,600
Phone will ring a little bit
more. Or, you mean, you're

1006
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,180
totally credible. Anybody in the
world would be happy to have

1007
01:00:03,180 --> 01:00:05,880
you. But there's something about
trying to get five books under

1008
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,640
your butt. I want to just kind
of shoot for five, man heck,

1009
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:12,660
shoot for 50. But, you know, I
got three out. Put out another.

1010
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,540
You know, they say, get the five
if you can. You know, five

1011
01:00:15,540 --> 01:00:18,240
books, and then people can
stumble across you're like, oh,

1012
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:22,100
published author, Amazon
bestseller, just one more little

1013
01:00:22,100 --> 01:00:24,860
feather in your cap. And they
go, how much do you need? And it

1014
01:00:24,860 --> 01:00:25,820
just justifies it.

1015
01:00:26,300 --> 01:00:30,740
You know what's interesting?
I've had this huge defensive

1016
01:00:30,740 --> 01:00:35,840
posture towards the first book,
yeah, but when you said five, it

1017
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,840
it almost like released me from
it like, Hey, I'm going for five

1018
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:39,680
The first one's fine.

1019
01:00:39,740 --> 01:00:42,280
Hey, look at Grant Cardone. We
thought when we interviewed

1020
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:45,220
Grant Cardone, he said, You know
what, man I was, I didn't want

1021
01:00:45,220 --> 01:00:49,780
to be paralyzed by this. Just he
I said, just there. He says the

1022
01:00:49,780 --> 01:00:53,260
first book had typos. It just
get it out. He

1023
01:00:53,260 --> 01:00:55,540
said, It's a best selling book,
not a best written book.

1024
01:00:56,860 --> 01:01:00,780
Just get it out. And then just
content, content, content. Gary

1025
01:01:00,780 --> 01:01:04,860
V. I was telling, uh, Jim the
other day, I reposted something

1026
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:08,100
for Gary V. I thought it was
some cool little quote he had

1027
01:01:08,100 --> 01:01:13,500
scribbled on a napkin. Hit me
back man, on a DM said, great

1028
01:01:13,500 --> 01:01:18,180
work. Keep building. You know
what I mean? I'm like, so good

1029
01:01:18,180 --> 01:01:21,800
man. I needed that. I needed
that kick. Because sometimes I'm

1030
01:01:21,860 --> 01:01:25,040
sometimes I feel like, Oh, my
God, I'm going to be, you know,

1031
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:28,340
going to be 55 years old. I can
live in a 55 and older

1032
01:01:28,340 --> 01:01:31,700
community. I'm going to be
driving around a golf cart. You

1033
01:01:31,700 --> 01:01:34,700
know, are my best days behind.
You know what I mean, you get

1034
01:01:34,700 --> 01:01:40,180
this, they're not man, I've got
energy. I've got ideas. You

1035
01:01:40,180 --> 01:01:44,140
know what Gary would say to you?
He'd look at you and go, and he

1036
01:01:44,140 --> 01:01:47,860
just go like, he's like, okay,
you've done all this, and that's

1037
01:01:47,860 --> 01:01:50,500
right. And just keep going.
That's right. Just keep going.

1038
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:56,080
You know? So remember your
purpose? 2025 you know my

1039
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:59,260
purpose? Statement, real easy.
My purpose in life is to affect

1040
01:01:59,260 --> 01:02:03,600
people in a positive way and
change lives. One sentence, do

1041
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:05,160
you have a sentence?

1042
01:02:07,860 --> 01:02:10,560
I don't know of a sentence, but
what

1043
01:02:10,620 --> 01:02:13,740
about couple sentences? I'll say
this,

1044
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:15,720
and I wish

1045
01:02:17,340 --> 01:02:18,240
it's very simple. I

1046
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:21,020
want to be Christ. Like, I

1047
01:02:23,180 --> 01:02:25,340
want to be Christ. Like, well,
that's better than mine. It's

1048
01:02:25,340 --> 01:02:29,420
the highest it's the highest
form of high performance. Like,

1049
01:02:29,660 --> 01:02:33,140
like, I don't know if it's the
Holy Well, it probably is the

1050
01:02:33,140 --> 01:02:37,460
Holy Spirit. But when I look at
how Christ moved, that is the

1051
01:02:37,460 --> 01:02:40,660
highest form of high
performance. That's Jordan,

1052
01:02:41,140 --> 01:02:45,640
that's COVID. That's, yeah,
that's LeBron. That's LeBron,

1053
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:49,180
yeah. I mean his principles, the
way that he moved, the grace,

1054
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:55,420
his convictions. And I think,
you know, for me, like going

1055
01:02:55,420 --> 01:02:57,940
back into the Word and being
like, you know, I don't want to,

1056
01:02:57,940 --> 01:03:00,220
I don't want to have a
perception of what I was told

1057
01:03:00,220 --> 01:03:05,160
about it. I want to, you know,
be breathed on every day and and

1058
01:03:05,340 --> 01:03:08,940
in a new season about what I'm
experiencing from the word like,

1059
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:13,620
that's that will guide me on who
I should be helping. How do I

1060
01:03:13,620 --> 01:03:17,820
organize my skill set, and how
do I divide time between pouring

1061
01:03:17,820 --> 01:03:21,380
into my babies and and keeping
my wife on board, you know,

1062
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:29,300
like, it's too complex for me to
create a mission that does it

1063
01:03:29,300 --> 01:03:33,140
all because it's impossible.
It's impossible. And I think

1064
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,680
that sounds crazy to think that
impossible is a hopeful thing,

1065
01:03:37,100 --> 01:03:40,960
but it is because I know I'm not
alone, like, I got great

1066
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:45,160
friends, yeah, great mentors,
amazing people who I look up to

1067
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:49,420
that I might not talk to them
every day, but I glean from

1068
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:52,120
them, right, like yourself. So
there's

1069
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:55,300
something very powerful in, you
know, and Jim can attest to

1070
01:03:55,300 --> 01:04:00,420
this, you know, just the idea of
like, just release it to God,

1071
01:04:00,420 --> 01:04:04,260
you know what I mean? Just like,
just like, just, just, dude, lay

1072
01:04:04,260 --> 01:04:06,900
it at the foot of the cross.
Just, just, just like, it's,

1073
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:11,700
it's good to know some to the
overachiever in me feels like

1074
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:16,740
that's too easy. Yeah? Sounds
like work. It's got to be hard.

1075
01:04:16,740 --> 01:04:21,320
Yeah, sweaty. It's got to be the
sweat of your brow in 23 hour

1076
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:24,500
days. And maybe not. Yeah,

1077
01:04:24,500 --> 01:04:29,060
maybe not. I mean, like, I do
want to share this because I

1078
01:04:29,060 --> 01:04:32,840
woke my wife up at like, 430 in
the morning the other day. So

1079
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,360
hey, and I thought about this
idea, I was like, Babe, because

1080
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:39,680
we were playing spades, it's a,
it's a real African American

1081
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:43,720
family game, but my wife is not.
She was playing like over

1082
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:46,540
Thanksgiving, and we and we were
playing, so spades is like a

1083
01:04:46,540 --> 01:04:51,280
partner game. It's two on two,
and you know, you're playing,

1084
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:56,320
and it's super fun card game.
And I was like, hey, what you

1085
01:04:56,320 --> 01:05:01,500
don't realize is, okay, I have
13 cards. You're my partner.

1086
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:06,480
Your cards are my cards. I just
can't see them. And I was like,

1087
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:11,340
Hey, we all have a hand that
we're dope. And we have other

1088
01:05:11,340 --> 01:05:16,560
people in our life, our lives,
that have the other cards, but

1089
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:20,540
we got to be open to hearing
from them, you know, being able

1090
01:05:20,540 --> 01:05:25,160
to delegate and being able to
trust other people with our

1091
01:05:25,220 --> 01:05:29,240
secret parts, being able to look
up to people without the ego

1092
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:30,680
being in a way right,

1093
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:34,160
trust people with our secret
parts. Oh my God, dude, I hope

1094
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,380
you're right. You wrote it's all
down. It's going in your speech.

1095
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:38,600
I hope you wrote all this down.
I

1096
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:40,900
just thought about that, but
that's what an engagement.

1097
01:05:40,900 --> 01:05:41,500
Headline,

1098
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:44,200
yeah, wow, Jim, ask your
question.

1099
01:05:45,220 --> 01:05:49,120
So you have to make a decision
for the rest of your life to

1100
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:52,360
play in a tribute band, and
that's all you can do. There's

1101
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:54,940
nothing else. It's too easy.
This is too easy. I love it.

1102
01:05:54,940 --> 01:05:56,620
What tribute band is it going to
be

1103
01:05:56,620 --> 01:05:58,480
for Dave Matthews Band? Oh my
god.

1104
01:05:59,500 --> 01:06:03,960
Dave Matthews Carter. We need to
get Carter on. Carter is

1105
01:06:04,020 --> 01:06:08,040
ambidextrous. Oh, rock Carter,
because

1106
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:11,640
I went to boarding school and
and I was just trying to make

1107
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:13,980
friends one night my freshman
year, and I walked into this

1108
01:06:13,980 --> 01:06:17,580
guy, he was from Ohio, and I
walked into his room, and he had

1109
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:20,580
a stack of CDs at the time, and
I had my little CD player, and I

1110
01:06:20,580 --> 01:06:23,060
was just trying to make friends.
I'm like, Hey, man, what's man,

1111
01:06:23,060 --> 01:06:26,000
what's this? When it says band,
I just figured that it was live.

1112
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:29,600
It was Dave Matthews Band live
at Red Rocks. Wow, man. I put

1113
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:33,800
that CD in and in the way, and
then

1114
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:37,340
the Huertas on the symbol and
the time and the snare, the

1115
01:06:37,340 --> 01:06:40,960
way it sounded, and and it was,
it was a blessing for me,

1116
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:46,420
because that's what kept my fire
going from 14 to 18, when it was

1117
01:06:46,420 --> 01:06:49,540
all about football and yeah,
there was no music. I got under

1118
01:06:49,540 --> 01:06:51,460
the table and drumming and I had
the car.

1119
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:55,480
Did you wear the skin tight
scuba gear and stuff like that?

1120
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:58,600
I could pull that off. But he
was like, yeah, he

1121
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:01,140
was the kangal guy at a point
like

1122
01:07:01,140 --> 01:07:05,520
the Jerry looked just like did
his chambers. Yes, pretty much

1123
01:07:05,700 --> 01:07:08,340
he basically, at the one point
he would wear hockey jerseys,

1124
01:07:08,340 --> 01:07:12,480
yes, and I did that for a while,
you know, because he did it. So,

1125
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:16,020
yep, yeah, Carter, not
flattering, though. No, not at

1126
01:07:16,020 --> 01:07:18,360
all. My Courtney couldn't stand
me wearing those.

1127
01:07:19,740 --> 01:07:22,400
Hey, we're gonna do the Fave
Five. What's your favorite

1128
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:27,800
color? Red. Nice. All right, so
many red drums, yeah, oh yeah.

1129
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:32,600
Porsche red candy apple reds.
Porsche, Porsche, Porsche,

1130
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,000
Porsche. Favorite food or dish?

1131
01:07:35,900 --> 01:07:38,300
Oh, a peach cobbler. My
grandmother used to make it

1132
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:39,020
with, um,

1133
01:07:39,380 --> 01:07:42,880
cool whip or no, no Cool Whip.
Just naked,

1134
01:07:43,060 --> 01:07:45,760
yeah, just naked. All kinds of
crusts and peaches

1135
01:07:45,820 --> 01:07:49,600
and then with milk or coffee or
ice cream, milk would be good.

1136
01:07:49,660 --> 01:07:51,760
I never thought about that
vanilla ice cream that just

1137
01:07:51,820 --> 01:07:53,080
evokes something. Anyway,

1138
01:07:54,460 --> 01:07:57,340
I haven't tasted cow milk in so

1139
01:07:57,340 --> 01:08:00,280
long. I'm so lacto. It's rare
for me now, yeah,

1140
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:02,580
it's favorite drink.

1141
01:08:03,300 --> 01:08:04,140
Favorite drink?

1142
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:10,260
I like power eight and Gatorade.
Yeah, it makes me feel like I'm

1143
01:08:10,260 --> 01:08:11,400
doing something important.

1144
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:15,660
Not the zero, not the zero. Is
probably

1145
01:08:15,660 --> 01:08:16,740
more healthy. But no, too

1146
01:08:16,740 --> 01:08:19,680
much, too many chemicals. What's
your favorite song at the

1147
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:20,840
moment? Ooh,

1148
01:08:22,220 --> 01:08:23,000
or of all time,

1149
01:08:26,060 --> 01:08:31,100
ghost note has a song called
revival.

1150
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:36,740
I saw those guys at pas two
years ago. They did a concert at

1151
01:08:36,740 --> 01:08:41,200
the percussive Art Society. And
all these you know, marimba

1152
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:44,260
players and timpanists from
around the world dancing their

1153
01:08:44,260 --> 01:08:45,820
brains out to go snow.

1154
01:08:46,179 --> 01:08:53,319
Yeah? Robert sputzy, right, yes,
but is a hero, yeah? Um, his,

1155
01:08:53,319 --> 01:08:57,519
his grind, the way that he's
reinvented himself and like,

1156
01:08:57,519 --> 01:09:00,719
just like, all right, I'm the
funk guy now. Yeah, he's very

1157
01:09:00,719 --> 01:09:04,259
ambrodit, but he's super funky.
And it's a song called revival

1158
01:09:04,559 --> 01:09:07,439
on there. It's like, maybe track
seven or something on the last

1159
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:11,279
have to check that out record,
but it's the tempo is really and

1160
01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:14,939
Travis toy from Rascal Flatts is
playing on it, solos on it.

1161
01:09:14,999 --> 01:09:17,939
Really, yes, crazy. It's great,
very, it's nuts.

1162
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:23,480
Yeah, one time Travis um, filled
in on bass when we were opening

1163
01:09:23,480 --> 01:09:26,360
up for the rascal flats, because
totally had to go have a baby,

1164
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:30,980
and he jumped up and played some
bass with us. Crazy, that guy.

1165
01:09:30,980 --> 01:09:34,340
We were only playing four songs,
Favorite movie of all time at

1166
01:09:34,340 --> 01:09:38,000
the moment, the program, Oh, I
saw it. I was trolling your

1167
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,180
Facebook page. I went all the
way down. It's like, what else

1168
01:09:40,180 --> 01:09:45,520
can I learn about Hubert James
Khan? Yes, he's the coach,

1169
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:48,100
right? Yes. So how have I Jim?
Have you seen this movie? I've

1170
01:09:48,100 --> 01:09:49,120
never seen this movie. I

1171
01:09:49,119 --> 01:09:50,919
have not seen him, the progress
cult

1172
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:56,200
classic. And what's interesting
is, like with today's nio error,

1173
01:09:56,740 --> 01:10:00,120
like that movie is so important,
so important. It

1174
01:10:01,260 --> 01:10:02,640
in today's what culture in

1175
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:08,160
IO, so now college athletes can
be paid legally. Oh yeah, yeah,

1176
01:10:08,220 --> 01:10:11,880
about time, yeah. And I'm, I'm,
I'm working in that space right

1177
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:16,200
now, but that movie was about
before it was legal, and how to

1178
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:19,380
build a program under the table
where the boosters were paying

1179
01:10:19,380 --> 01:10:22,580
guys and buying a car, and the
kind of culture that that

1180
01:10:22,580 --> 01:10:26,000
creates, and the dynamics of
college football and the

1181
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:27,200
freshmen it's coming in. It's

1182
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:28,520
an older movie, right? 70s,

1183
01:10:29,660 --> 01:10:32,120
80, maybe early 90s, actually.
So is it a thing

1184
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:34,520
you watch over and over, like we
over and over. We'll watch like,

1185
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:37,280
I'll watch alien over and over,
or Shawshank Redemption. Or,

1186
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:39,080
what's the one for you, buddy?
Oh

1187
01:10:39,140 --> 01:10:41,440
gosh, there's so many of them. I
like Shawshank too. Yeah,

1188
01:10:41,440 --> 01:10:44,080
Shawshank. We watched that not
too long ago. But, I mean, for

1189
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:46,180
me, it's anything of any of the
Marvel stuff. But,

1190
01:10:46,180 --> 01:10:47,860
oh yeah, he's a big Marvel guy.
Yeah.

1191
01:10:48,100 --> 01:10:52,240
I also like Count of Monte
Cristo. That story is just like,

1192
01:10:53,020 --> 01:10:53,140
I

1193
01:10:53,140 --> 01:10:54,880
like a good Monte Cristo
sandwich,

1194
01:10:57,160 --> 01:11:02,280
good Monte Cristo cigar, man. We
can talk, yeah, all day, but I

1195
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:04,740
know you got a headlining show
to play tonight. Yeah, you got

1196
01:11:04,740 --> 01:11:07,380
to push into Nashville. You got
to find I'm sure they got some

1197
01:11:07,380 --> 01:11:09,780
parking set aside for you, right
this way, Mr.

1198
01:11:09,780 --> 01:11:12,960
Broadway veteran, right there?
No, I'm a Broadway veteran. I

1199
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:13,800
know where to

1200
01:11:14,940 --> 01:11:19,380
park sweet spots. So it's so
nice to spend this time with

1201
01:11:19,380 --> 01:11:23,420
you, and I am very happy for
you, and very I appreciate

1202
01:11:23,420 --> 01:11:26,540
that. Thank you. Thank you.
Yeah, I wouldn't be me without

1203
01:11:26,540 --> 01:11:27,260
you. I mean,

1204
01:11:27,260 --> 01:11:30,260
I love to just be a part of your
story. Man, and people can hire

1205
01:11:30,260 --> 01:11:32,060
you. You're on ear gigs, right?
Your gigs,

1206
01:11:32,300 --> 01:11:36,320
I'm on air gigs yet now and and
reach out to me. Man, Huber,

1207
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:41,080
pain, Instagram, uh, dealing
with things most wanted to talk

1208
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:42,220
to you. I'm a coach. That's

1209
01:11:42,220 --> 01:11:46,120
the best way to get to you. It's
just at Hubert pain, yeah, on

1210
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:50,020
Instagram, yeah, you guys heard
it here first, Jim, we're

1211
01:11:50,020 --> 01:11:53,200
batching. Man, I had so much
fun. Thank you. Now we get to go

1212
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:55,720
to your company party. Yeah,
we're gonna hang out and have

1213
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:58,060
some have some egg knock all

1214
01:11:58,060 --> 01:12:00,460
the stuff. We have eggnog, but
we might have hot chocolate, but

1215
01:12:00,460 --> 01:12:00,880
sometimes,

1216
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:03,600
whatever it is, we're getting
into it. But Hubert, you're

1217
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:04,200
welcome to

1218
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:06,780
stick around as long as you
like. I appreciate

1219
01:12:06,780 --> 01:12:08,100
you guys having me. This is so

1220
01:12:08,100 --> 01:12:09,300
great. Sorry. It's so noisy

1221
01:12:09,900 --> 01:12:11,340
I can't hear it. It's fine.

1222
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:16,680
Thanks again. But and to all the
listeners, thank you guys so

1223
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,440
much for tuning in supporting us
all these years. Be sure to

1224
01:12:20,100 --> 01:12:23,720
subscribe, share, rate and
review. It helps people find the

1225
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:27,260
show. We'll be here. We'll see
you next time. Thanks. Hubert,

1226
01:12:27,260 --> 01:12:28,160
thank you guys. Kim,

1227
01:12:29,660 --> 01:12:34,460
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1228
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