Unknown: Then I went through a really difficult, just gut
wrenching period where I'm like, Okay, I can't play football
anymore, like it's over, like no one cares about how fast I can
run or how much I can lift. I'm not a football player. For an
athlete, yeah, and I a lot of times, for a musician, you find
your ego and what you do. And I have had my whole life planned.
I made every decision around the game. What does it look like? I
made all the sacrifices? I felt like I worked really hard and I
deserved to be in a certain spot. But when it didn't happen,
I kind of felt like, Okay, I've done all that. How does that
apply to me now, you know. And so I struggled. I struggle with
my confidence. I say this all the time. I couldn't look at a
woman in the eyes because my identity was so wrapped up in
how am I playing on the field? How can I be anything for you if
I'm not pro?
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We're sitting on a gold mine because I know we're gonna have
an amazing conversation today. Today's guest hailing from
Detroit, which is a monster Music City, calling Nashville
home for 20 years, and recently, a new Floridian calling Orlando
home for the last year, he's been the drummer for the Grammy
Award winning band Little Big Town for 10 years, celebrating
10 years with them, which is a major accomplishment in this
massively competitive industry. He's also worked with folks like
Pharrell Williams, David nail, Jake Owen, Kemo, love and theft.
Leona Lewis, Adam Lambert, the Oak Ridge Boys, list goes on and
on. Our friend. Hubert Payne, what's up, man, what's up?
What's up. It is so good to have you here. Now I gotta tell
everybody that you are such an overachiever. We've been trying
to do this for a while, but I was like, Are you sure you want
to drive to Spring Hill? Because tonight you are playing a
headlining show in downtown Nashville with your band, Little
Big Town at the Bridgestone Arena. And we all know that
traffic is no joke in Nashville now, like going back, like maybe
10 years, you know, but it's, it's, it's fierce now. So thanks
for joining us. Thanks for having me. I'm honored, man,
dude, we go way back. And I tell you, look at this smile. I mean,
model actor, excited. Model actor, like, for my heroes. When
did we meet? Though, it was with Katie armagedd, yeah, yeah. And
was it was with Aldean in the early days, I believe, and Katie
was opening, and you were her drummer. And I was like, man,
that guy's got fire and Moxie and attitude and physicality.
That's where we met.
When was that? The first thing I thought about was having to
learn your parts? Oh, my God, that's right, because we
produced her. And I'm a nerd, so I remember I've had to figure
out how to, like, get my left foot independence. Good, to do
splashes over at Rock groove. Oh my gosh, don't do it. Oh, you're
so So you took that thing and then added it to your package.
Oh,
yeah, that's what it's all about. For me, yeah, I use it to
stop and hi hat over. I wonder what's
going on with Katie. Yeah, I don't know. She's awesome. And
had to, this must have been like, 2006 Yeah, early, right,
right around there. So, but you were also that was an early gig
for you. You were coming off a football career, right? Tell us
about that. Because, I mean, you look, you
look like an athlete, yeah, yeah. So, from Detroit,
Michigan, and I was playing football at school in Michigan,
Saginaw Valley, state. I went to boarding school for high school
was all about sports. We didn't have music, so I kind of was
only playing music alone
in my basement. I mean, did you have the NFL in your site? So
that kind of like, Absolutely,
yeah. I thought I was gonna go pro and play the game. So in
Michigan, the school I was at, they moved me to defense. They
were like, we feel like you're a physical player, and we want to
use you here. And I just, I couldn't sleep. I couldn't I was
having a really difficult time, and I had gained 20 pounds to
try to run the football, you know. So, long story short, I
ended up transferring. And I transferred to Middle Tennessee
State, and not knowing that I was moving to music city. So was
that? So I played at Mt, 2002
three interesting, yeah, my business partner went there and
you're about the same age, yeah, yeah, I wonder if you knew each
other.
Yeah, I was a lot. All I did was lift weights and play drums,
just
pounding chicken
breast. Yeah, I was pretty, pretty, pretty locked in. But
yeah, and then I ended up finishing my last few years at
Maryville College in East Tennessee. Okay,
I gotta ask, being that you're from Detroit. Yep, Lions fan.
Huge. It's the time right now, right I'm a Lions fan right now.
Yeah. How can you not? What do you mean just right now? Because
Courtney and I got into watching these documentary shows, these
Docu series shows about football, and they did one on
HBO. It's not on HBO, most think about it in Amazon, but HBO is
doing one as well. Yeah, and there's one that they did
profiling the lions. They embed a film crew in the team, and
they put up like series episodes out on like timely events. So
they embedded a team or a crew with the lions right when Dan
Campbell came on board, and my wife and I just fell in love
with the guy. Yeah, he's such a great coach, yeah, and it's
like, because of him, we've watched the games and become,
like, afar fans of the lions. Now we're just cheering for him,
yeah, because I think they're 12 and one now, Yep, yeah, they're
super bowl bound,
buddy. Yeah, I can't say I was a Dan Campbell believer in the
beginning, right? But what I do love about it now is they are a
reflection of his spirit, right? Like his principles they play.
And the funny thing is, by the time this episode comes out, I
don't know when the Super Bowl is going to be, probably
February, January, February, so it's going to be, we're on the
precipice of the Super Bowl at this point, usually
the second week of February, right, right before Valentine's
Day. Yeah,
yeah. So,
I mean, it's hopefully everything we're talking about
here, kind of projects forward, and we're speaking goodness into
the Yeah, I'd love to see them as a Detroit Yeah,
well, as a top down thing. You know, a team's culture, I'm sure
starts with the coach has
to Yeah, well, starts from the owner and then the general
manager. I would think everything starts from
the top. So, so you had your sights set. Yeah, you were doing
the thing.
So I thought then I went through a really difficult, just gut
wrenching period where I'm like, Okay, I can't play football
anymore, like it's over, like no one cares about how fast I can
run or how much I can lift. I'm not a football player,
right? What this is strange. This is explain. Explain. So,
you know, for a foot, for an athlete, yeah, and I a lot of
times for a musician, you find your ego and what you do. And I
have had my whole life planned. I made every decision around the
game. What does it look like? I made all the sacrifices? I felt
like I worked really hard and I deserved to be in a certain
spot, but when it didn't happen, I kind of felt like, Okay, I've
done all that. How does that apply to me now? You know? And
so I struggle. I struggle with my confidence. I say this all
the time. I couldn't look at a woman in the eyes because my
identity was so wrapped up in how am I playing on the field?
How can I be anything for you if I'm not pro? Right? Interesting,
yeah. But the awesome part of that was, when it came to music,
there's no ego. I'm a football player, yeah? So, yeah, I can go
to your house and just watch what you eat for breakfast,
because I want to learn what you're doing. Yeah, there's no
ego. I'm a football player. Yeah, I can ask rich 1000
questions, yeah?
Because so there was total humility around your upcoming
music career,
which is awesome, yeah? Yeah, that was the blessing, and I
didn't really understand that at the time, yeah? But when I look
back, I'm like, wow, the humility at every step in my
career was really the thing that separated me. Because a lot of
people that play drums and at a point, everyone can play a song,
yeah, but do you want to be around that person and their
energy 24 hours a day? Can they
play it well, that's right, yeah, that's right. That's
right. So that you know the football thing, and I'm we'll
get to it in the story, but it's all, it's really coming full
circle at this season of my life.
So were you always, even though you had the aspiration and the
laser focus to be a professional football player, were you also
playing drums? Cinder pops was a drummer. My dad
was a drummer. He took care of us, playing the drums. He's a
phenomenal drummer. Amazing. Still playing No no he he messes
around. Now he's starting to come back. I got him a drum set
for Christopher go for his birthday. So he's he's coming
back. But for him. He just felt like, you know, my son, he hates
when I share this with the truth. He dropped out of high
school to play drums. He went back and finished. But he's he
built his life around the drum set, right? And he took care of
me and my brothers playing the drums. Even though he was a
great drummer and one of the top call guys, he wanted more for
me. He didn't want me to live gig, to gig. Yeah, because you
can go on a great tour for three or four or five years, and then
it's over, and you're, you know, you got to figure it out. Yeah,
tough to sustain a marriage and a family. And if you want, like,
I wanted babies. I want, I wanted a bunch of kids ever
since I was a kid, yeah, and he knew, and so he felt like, I
know you're gonna play drums, but I'm not gonna put you in
position to focus on that right now. So I just kind of, I
watched him. I never had any friends that played drums when I
was growing up. I play African drums in a group. But as far as
drum set, I just played by myself, doing like Jim Bay.
Yeah, I played Jim Bay, so, but when it came to drum set, it was
really just in my own head, yeah, which later on, I realized
that's also a blessing, because I my pocket comes from listening
to myself for 20 years before I played with people. Yeah, you
know what I mean. So,
yeah, your dad was in a in a recording act called the
dramatics. Yes. And also work with Snoop Dogg
Andrew, yes, yeah, yes, he did. He lived in LA and worked with
Dr Dre in the studio, just putting down beats, sneaking
background vocals, whatever it called for that day. Nice. That
was a great experience. Now
he your dad's going to go see you play tonight. Yes, this has
got to he's got to be very proud. He's very
proud now, yeah, he's also very proud that I have other options.
Yeah, now,
people love to hear about paradiddles and stuff. We don't
talk a lot about that. What are the other options? Because you
and I resonate in that sense, in that sense that we know how
drums fit into the big picture in life, and how we can make
other people happy and change lives doing it. But also in that
process, there's a way for us to have an our name on the marquee.
It's it's amazing to be part of huge organizations. You know
these, you know these groups going down the high with it,
with their tractor trailers and busses, and they pull up and,
ladies and gentlemen, and you're part of that thing, and it feels
amazing, but have your name on the marquee, and you figured
that out. You're doing that. I'm
doing that, yeah, and I have to just put a pin right here and
share something with you. You probably remember it, but you
made me dangerous. And part reason why I'm like, Yeah, my
whole family's come to the show tonight, and you know, we're
gonna play a headlining show at Bridgestone. But I'm like, this
is an opportunity to spread how you personally helped me become
dangerous. I don't know anything about this is good. This is
good. Jim, this is exciting. So when I first got little, big
town, you know, lot of people were shooting me texts. Hubert,
Congrats, man, you called me and I'm like, Rachel called me like,
you're like, man, congrats. This is an awesome opportunity where
you're going to be. I'm going to be honest with you, it's not the
ceiling is not much higher, right? And knowing that, just
keep it 100 and real financially, you're going to be
close to the ceiling, yeah? And if you don't make a decision to
diversify and figure out other things that you can do to take
care of your your family or your life. You'll be stuck now it was
a tragic, tragic thing to only point at the artist to take care
of you and your life at that point, because you can literally
use your position to to multiply what you can make. I came out of
the blue and said that, yes, you went in on me. You're like, man,
you even went through your own habits. Think about this, the
perception of the opportunity you have. You can build an
opportunity off that. Yeah, you can develop your skill set. You
can keep reinventing yourself. And that message, along with
little, big talent, just being, I mean the sweetest people
you've ever met, and
they've had you on all their records. They've had me
on the records, yeah. And to take it a step further, they saw
that, you know, number one, I have six kids, and they know,
they know how much I make, yeah. And I don't know if it's just
because of the money, but they've been very proactive
about Hubert, if you want to do this, we're going to help you do
this has nothing to do with music. If I can introduce you to
someone, I will if we can put you in position, if we can
represent you, if we can put in a word, if we can, you know, put
you in this room. Hey, you should be thinking about this.
There's been times Karen, over to Mike, has said. It Hubert
paint on the drums. He's an awesome life coach, according to
who she knows, right? It's awesome.
I mean, there's people, you know, I've been around them
backstage, you know, the skirm horn and just various things and
and they probably want to help you be because you never mail it
in for them. No. I mean, you could be sick and jet lagged,
and it's like, you know what your job is, and you know what
you have to do, and you do it with a spot that smile. That's
right. So maybe
they need a podcast, and I could produce the podcast, what
do you need a podcast? Call Jim to have them and ask them
questions that will benefit people would be amazing. Yeah,
I've learned so much from them. They are but
was one of the requirements to be born and raised and
that's the same good episode from laugh USA, totally.
But I mean that How exciting. I mean it's like, congratulations
on, you know, 10 years. What is that? You know, 3650 days of
playing those songs, traveling the world that, like, off the
top of your head, yeah? I just had a couple zeros, and just
never mailing it in, you know, and just bringing your spirit
and your energy to the drums. And that's really what the drums
are. It's like, it's, it's a extension of our own spirit and
energy, yeah. And I really feel like most drummers are, are more
often than not, friendly, approachable, high energy,
outgoing. People rarely do. I meet a drummer that's like,
yeah. Like Steven Wright, yeah, goes to be here. You know what I
mean? There are some
drummers I've seen that are just like they couldn't get hitting
the space bar on their laptop. You know, they just, it was odd.
I went to a show. I'm not going to name names or bands or
anything, but we went to a show and it's of a band that I want
to play in, and he just like, you know, the singer had to go
back and help him during the show.
Oh, I mean, if all he's got to do is press space bar, we can
handle that. Like, the drummer was like, whatever,
you know, you do your thing, and I'm gonna sit here and wait,
yeah, yeah, interesting. Well, that's not that guy. No, no, no,
no. Drummers, I find are octopuses. They're, we're able
to get into a lot of other things besides the drums, and
maybe it's because we're so multifaceted with the instrument
and, you know, multitasking. I mean, I'm a drummer, and look
what's, you know, everything that's in front of me here, I
feel like I'm sitting at, you know, the Starship Enterprise
driving thing. Yeah, you're
totally as a great point. Yeah, my one of my good buddies, my
favorite musician in the world, Akil Thompson, plays with with a
big time, yeah, he and I talk about this all that's Chester
son.
Chester Thompson. He plays keys. He plays keys. And just
keep him away from the drones, because he can play very well. I
remember seeing him a lot at the blue bar in Midtown Nashville,
going back like 15 years. Yeah,
yeah. He and I, we get into all kinds of life and really deep
conversations about musicianship. And we we talk
about the stories that musicians make up about well, this is all
I can do. This is what I do. But we are so multifaceted. To your
point, if you open that door, I had this past, maybe since I've
been in Orlando, had a job as Director of Sports Performance.
I can't believe I'm saying that. This is great. Say it again. Say
it again. I was Director of Sports Performance, over 110,000
square foot facility in Lake Nona in Orlando, huge facility.
I got the job, and it was my first time really. I've had a
couple other things that I've been doing since I've been a
little big time, but this particular job is, like, very
corporate. I'm talking about, you're going to meetings two and
three times a week, and and looking at quarter one and
revenue and and making certain changes, and being in those
rooms, I'm like, Oh my gosh. Musicians are so creative. We're
so resourceful, and we don't realize that our skill set can
be transferred in those rooms and just light fires every day
and but we, we take this mindset of like, Man, I gotta sell out
to the game. I call it like the tattoo on face mentality. It's
like, well, if I'm a musician, I'm really doing this. I can't
be doing anything else. It's lies.
Man, yeah, it's a mindset. It's a limited mindset. You heard
that too, you know, what else am I? I mean, the previous
episodes. Guy, what else am I gonna do? Dude, you're a pilot.
You've got so many other skill sets,
so and, and there's just so much beauty in. Then someone who sat
down for their whole life used their imagination to create
music, we take it for granted. It is a beautiful gift. I
do feel like we get, we get beat down mentally by the
expectations and limitations of our industry. Because if you're
you know not, if you're not writing the songs, you're not
the front person. Sometimes there's a massive chasm between
and and so people just accept their the lot. They're a lot in
life. But there's, God, you roll up your sleeves and you just do
some thinking, and if you're not not afraid to shout from a
mountaintop, I exist. And that's something that, you know, I have
gotten in trouble for, you know, hey, you know, I've made some
mistakes with social media over promoting, but at the same time,
I'm also not afraid to let people know, hey, somebody's
gonna get the job. Why not me, right? Mm, hmm, you just throw
your hat. Why not me throw your hat in the ring? You know, went
to Los Angeles for five years at great expense, on Mondays,
Tuesdays and Wednesdays for five years. I studied TV hosting,
voiceover, improv comedy acting, and I got my sag card in under
five years. And there's people that have been acting for 25
years that still don't have that freaking card, and I did it in
under five years, in only three days a week. So it's what we do
with our mind. Starts in the mind, right? And then the path
will be revealed. You just have to have that desire to do
something, and you're doing it,
yeah. So one thing that I learned I want to share about
this experience, so I worked at it's a wellness retreat
facility. It's called on site workshops. It's about hour and a
half outside of Nashville, and people go there and do deep
healing work. It is phenomenal, man, I was talking about people
who are dealing with loss, death, people who face public
shame, people were just overworked. So it's not
necessarily a 30 day intensive rehab. It's not, it's not for
addiction, right? It's just, I need to go get centered. And I
worked there. I was hired as the only coach ever a Karen
Fairchild connect, by the way, but I was hired as the only
coach, and they brought me in, and they taught me the method of
how to like walk people from A to B. And it's fascinating work.
But one thing that I took from that was the trauma piece, and I
realized without trauma, right? And I define trauma as anytime
we can't respond from power. So if you got a situation in your
life, you can't respond from power, you form a defensive
posture internally, with your emotions, with what you hope
for, and what I hear you saying is, man, sometimes, why not me?
And we get stuck because we have all these defensive postures of,
oh, they told me I couldn't that oh, maybe the way I had to be
with my parents is not really conducive to like that voice
that's inside of me, right? So at on site I was I had the
opportunity to see people walk through those walls, and I
started realizing, like, oh my gosh, everything is about
connecting to that authentic version. And the trauma creates
an environment where, if you gonna heal from it, that's gonna
be the gift, if you think about it, if you lose someone, you
don't have time or energy to think about anything else other
than what's gonna get you to healing in the other side, yeah?
Like you just you shut down a noise, right? But it's just, we
all have different things that happen, different levels of
that, but that journey of being able to connect to this is
authentically me. I'm good enough. What's for me is for me.
What's not is not. We can't be competing, because we all have a
different fingerprint, yeah? And when I learned that, and then
brought that back to the music, I'm like, Oh my gosh, this is
what I want to do. And this is, this is why the drum journey was
the drum journey, yeah, my dad, the way he poured into me, my
parents, my mom, she's amazing. This is why, right, like, so I
can go off on a tangent.
So the on site thing is, yeah, is that a franchise or it's just
here in Middle Tennessee? So
they have one here. They have a location in California as well.
Um, the one here is the flagship program. Is the Living Center
Program, yeah, and music cares, does an amazing job of
connecting musicians so it is not cheap. I'll say that
I was gonna say a retreat where you go to recenter. Yes, this is
upper income. Yes, that can afford this. Yes.
Uh, five days, all inclusive, they take your phone, but, uh,
Mills, but the awesome opportunity musicians have is
music cares. They see us, and they have opportunities through
music cares where, if you're in a way, or your spouse is in a
way, or a loved one, they can help you build a bridge to go
there and experience that work, yeah, and my hope is, because
what I've done in the last few years started to realize, like,
Okay, I see a journey that helps people deal with their mental
health. But then I started realizing, like, wait a minute,
that's the same journey for high performance. There is no
disconnect. And once you realize, oh man, the same things
that are stopping me from showing up and being able to
connect to my relationship are the same things that are
stopping me from connecting with the instrument I'm being robbed
of being present because of what happened to me. Right? Yeah. So
I've been on this journey of like, oh my gosh, these there's
the blueprint is very similar. How can I spread that to as many
people as possible? Yeah, and learn along the way. So that's
what fires me up. So from
studying all this, yeah, psychology, mental health, high
performance tactics, when you sit behind the drums these days,
are you treating your performance differently, or the
things that are happening in your mind differently? Yes,
different,
yes, yeah, I would say number one thing. So if you, if you, if
you look at trauma, that defensive posture I got to
protect myself from things that look like past, things that hurt
me, yeah, the first way we all have, we all have that in
different
ways. It could be very subtle, just the way, the way our
parents talk to us or treated us. Yes, I
also believe we have like versions of performance trauma.
I didn't get that audition. So I'm gonna protect myself from
putting myself in those situations by being defensive,
and I'm gonna fly a little bit lower, like a diet version of
myself, so I don't hurt again. Wow, right? So we get robbed of
the present moment, if I can, if I'm thinking about like I've
been, I've been working on this concept. It comes from a
therapeutic concept, but it basically says, Okay, we
organize that internal voice in three ways, either the parent,
the adult or the child, right? It's called transactional
analysis. If you think about it like this, and the parent voice
is super concerned with the future. Don't do that if you
think about any, any kind of mental self talk that's got that
wagon finger, and a lot of times it comes from whoever our
caretaker was or wasn't, yeah, right, don't do this. Don't do
that, yeah,
my dad was scary, right? Yeah, anxious. That's
right. About the future, that's right, that's right, the child,
the child version, consumed with the past, right? And you know,
you can bounce between these voices. They might be applicable
in certain moments, but you want to be consumed with the adult,
because the adult is present. The adult pauses before here,
her speaks and can make decisions based on the present
moment. So if I'm playing music grooving, which is my favorite
thing, is about being present. And I learned that from
Broadway, because you never know who you're gonna play with. And
everybody's like, Oh man, I don't want to go down there and
you're gonna be playing with all these guys. I'm like, man, what
an opportunity to figure out how to
like stretches you play with stretches.
Okay, what does the band need to groove right now? And I'm going
to become that.
So you did your time down there? Oh yeah. When was that? Oh
man, after Katie armagedd, yeah, I probably, I've played on
Broadway most of my time. A little big time, yeah.
Oh yeah. So that never bothered you to say, Okay, I got a drum
tech. I'm with this huge act. We got busses and catered meals,
and now I'm going to slip my drums down into Legends and and
play for tips
Absolutely. That didn't bother you, no, because it's about,
it's about skill acquisition, all right, right,
Jim, this is, it's good stuff. This is good stuff because
a lot of folks are like on do that.
So for me, it goes back to the football thing. In my culture of
sports, you don't make it to the NFL and stop lifting weights,
right? It's triple down at that triple down, right? Drums. I
love playing the drums. I love it. So I want to be the best
player I can be. The gigs will be a symptom. If Little Big Town
ended tomorrow, you know, you're still gonna play the drums. I'm
gonna play the drums. I love helping people's song come to
life and using the instrument Amen And and so for me, I'm
like, Okay. If people practice eight hours a day, why do I feel
like I'm excluded? Like, if that's what it takes, that's
what it takes, that's an opportunity to play for four
hours with people and make some money. So you're
getting the little, big town gig was, you're almost like a hyper
validation from the universe, like, Hey, I'm good. This
happened. I achieved this thing, and now I'm gonna keep working
on this skill set.
Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah. I mean, and even, even getting the gig,
was, it was insane. It was insane. So was
there people are always asking, you know, hey, is the audition
thing a thing anymore? And I'm like, doesn't seem like it, it
seems like it's all relationships, yes, guys calling
their buddies, yes, right? But that was a big audition, right?
It was like, it was like a cattle call.
I don't know if it was a cattle maybe a cattle call before they
start bringing people in, but uh, Seth, put my name in a hat,
gotcha. And I was playing with David nails. So they, they it's,
I want to tell the story, because I love Seth, and I know
Seth has been on the show, Heck, yeah. And I really want to,
I love that dude, Seth Roush, What's up, buddy? We go way back
to and, you know, I remember first meeting him, and he was
just playing with everybody, and he had his rock tea and his
blazer on. I was like, Yo male model. I mean, you know, the
kitty and just like, crushing it, I'm like,
he looked like when he walked in. Chris Cornell. Chris
Cornell, totally looks like. Chris. Getting back to what
you're saying about the voice in your head you follow a lot of, I
would imagine the same people that I follow, Gary V and
CARDONE and stuff like that. Bradley. Bradley,
yeah. So
I got some opinions about all those guys. Yeah, yeah. I'm sure
you do awkward silence. So Brad
Lee has said something in the past that's always resonated
with me. He's, I'm actually going to his house on Sunday,
yeah, reconfigure his studio for him. He called me today, but he
he said, what pronoun is the voice in your head using? And I
was like, Is it a you, or is it a me? Type of, you know, I'm
gonna do the lose 50 pounds by, you know, my birthday? No,
you're not. Or no, I'm not that way. I was like, Oh, that's
good. You ever pay attention to the pro town? What pronouns they
use? Yeah, yeah, that crazy, yeah, because I mean, it's true,
yeah, it's external, or it's you,
absolutely. And a lot of times that gets convoluted.
So, so what are your opinions on those guys? Well,
I'll more talk about what I feel like. Don't forget your story
about Seth, yeah, sorry, it'll transition. I'm a big love. I'm
a faith based Christian, dude, yeah. And one thing that I
learned at on site that just it was huge. I dove into a
therapeutic model called internal family systems. And the
idea is that our internal environment is different parts,
different voices, and even when it comes to addiction, we don't
have any bad parts. And if you have parts of a family that are
out of control or overreacting, you don't stand up to them. You
don't. People don't they're not lacking willpower. You know it's
not about I'm not strong enough to say, no, what have you loved
yourself in the right position, right? It's not about cursing
yourself down off the ledge. I feel like there's an alternate
way to healing and operating from health, and I think, is
based in extreme compassion, extreme curiosity and and things
like that, as opposed to the finger. And, you know, I can't
believe you did that again. You know, if you think about it,
didn't work well in music, either. Yeah, and, and you'll
groove better when it's when it's your breathing, which I
learned from Seth. But Seth and I preached this man, take
responsibility for your inspiration. Anything inspires
you, I don't care if it's the most small thing you're curious
about. Keep going down that road and you get to that, that part
where you talking about earlier, like, this is me. It's my
authentic version. So I was playing with David Neil, and I
loved Little Big time. And I love more specifically, Seth, to
the point where I would listen to all his records and like, I'm
like, Man, Seth does that a lot. Pontoon. Boom, he does that.
Even when I say it, I can feel like his body motion and so,
like, I'm like, my buddy, Blaine knew him, and I said, Blaine,
we're playing with little, big town this festival, like, later
this month, you got to connect me with Seth. He texted him.
Seth was like, yeah, we'll connect. So I meet Seth in a
trailer. Um. For this, this con. It was like, you know, with the
wood pan? I'm like, Yeah, knocking the door. He's in
there, hanging out. I'm like, the door opens up. He's got a
light over his head. I'm like, No. Like, Seth, Rush. So I sit
down, and I proceed to ask this man probably 1000 questions in
an hour. Like, dude, what were you thinking on tornado? Why
didn't you play the hi hat? What on pontoon? Like, where'd that
groove come from? And then it got I'm like, don't think I'm
weird. I know you got five kids. How do you do it? Like, I heard
that, you know? Like, it's like a legend around little big time.
He used the runner every day to go to mass or church, and his
faith was very important to him, so I was just asking him, how do
you integrate in all these things?
Wow, he's taking the runner to go to church every show day. I
don't know if I was supposed to share
that. Wow. He's very disciplined. And, like, I just
look up to him so much, wow.
Um, and he had five kids, and you're like, I'm doing six.
Well, he's got
six now he had another one.
Yeah, so, so, so he's kind of looking at me, like, man, you
really listened. I'm like, Yeah, bro. Like, I love what you do.
Your groove is, like, it inspired me, yeah? So he, he
came out. I saw him watch me. He play, watch two songs, and I'm
like, All right. I saw him walk off the stage. I didn't think
anything of it. And a few months later,
well, I'll say this, I asked him. I said, Seth, your
little big time. You're playing on the records. What's next for
you? He's like, dude, nothing's next. I love this band. I get to
play on the records. We work, just enough great. He didn't
know about Keith Urban. He's gonna call him. So when he got
the call, he put my name in the hat for the audition. Well,
it's perfect, because it's awesome. He loved your vibe and
energy. And he also knew you knew the material. Yeah, you're
like, plug
and play. That's right. So I kind of cheated in the audition.
Of like, I've been thinking about this moment. I've been
watching little, big town and thinking, if I got that gig,
this is what I would do with it, right? And I think Karen
appreciates that, and she felt my conviction right, because you
got all you know, in Audition, it's all kinds of nerves flying.
But I was convicted about, this is what I got to say about if I
had this opportunity, right? Yeah, and I got all these kids,
so I need some help. Yeah,
somebody tells me you're a great dad. I mean, I try, I mean, but
that seems like a, I mean, I'm just like, one child would be
such a just a challenge. So,
yeah, I think the secret to being a great dad is thinking
that you're an awful dad, yeah, that's, that's where, that's
what I think about me. That's where I
am, Jim, you are not an awful dad. Well, that's the but
that's,
you know, it kind of keeps you grounded. Yeah? You know that I
could be always doing better, yeah? And, you know, your kids
will remind you if you screw
up Absolutely. Seems incredibly difficult to find the balance
between being friendly and nurturing and loving and at the
same time being a task master and letting them know that they
messed up and punishing them. And that's a lot,
especially when you're working in a mental health space and you
sit with people and you realize your parents screwed you up. And
my parents, no one's parents are perfect, and most of the time,
you can trace certain behavior patterns back to parents. And
for me, my wife is phenomenal. She's like the one person that
could navigate what we've tried to build, what we've been
building, and so, and someone said this to me one time, like,
you know, what you're trying to do is impossible. I'm like,
Yeah, that's right, it's impossible. That gives me some
grace, yeah, but
I mean to be an amazing father, yeah? And then build your
speaking and play the drums and all the travel associated with
it. Last time I checked, it's only 24 hours in the day, yeah,
but they drive me, yeah. Like, I don't. I love playing the drums,
but like, my decisions are made around providing, and that's why
it's important for me, and my hope is that I get more
opportunities with, like, I appreciate this, to speak to
musicians. And it's like, we come up with these dreams when
we're young. We don't really calculate. All right, so when I
get married, if I want to get married, and then when I have
kids, like, how am I going to do that, you know, and still play?
And I think, man, the heart position and the reasons why you
do it? They have to. They have to line up, right? And if they
don't, you know, figure out your priorities and then work from
there. Yeah, and I want to be the one that helps people do
that. Like there are a lot of dads and moms that are trying to
figure out I have. This love for this music, and this is what
it's going to take for me to go out and do it. And I have this
love for these children and my spouse. How do they both
coexist? And I don't know that there's enough resources out
there, or people talking about that, like, I love parados. I'm
a nerd. I love all that. I love it, but I appreciate the
opportunity there
might be, there might be a like a book or a coaching program for
musicians. I mean, I see that now, now I know that you have
been starting to speak, and are you, what kind of venues are
hiring you, and what is the angle of your talk?
So, beautiful thing about being at on site, I can pretty much go
in any direction, right? I've been dealing with a lot more
football players, so I'd go a lot of college football teams
and speak. They're
probably and people love music. They're enamored. It's like a
mystical it's like a it's like, I don't want to call it like a
dark art but it's like, it's such a mystery. Musical
artists want to be athletes, and athletes absolutely always.
Every
time there's athletes backstage, they're just like, oh my god,
you guys are living the dream, and you're filthy rich, like
you're rich.
Yeah, it's very interesting. My one of my main messages is about
transition and figuring out transferable skills. Yeah,
right. That's huge for me, because when I went through the
phase, I talked about where, okay, not a football player.
That hurt. But it's also a blessing in that, because it's
like, Wait, I don't need that ball to define my ego anymore.
What I learned was how to learn from people, yeah, how to be
very detailed about watching someone else perform, and then
being able to put all those traits and characteristics in my
own bag. That's what I learned. I learned about what is the
actual culture of getting better.
You also, I guess, of a side, seeing you from the outside, you
put a lot of emphasis on the identity being in football, but
you also had the identity as being a drummer. Maybe the
emphasis the hierarchy, is more priority to football. In your
mind, it was, yeah, it was, here's the thing, and I always
talk about this with athletes, is that even my wife grew up
very athletic, her brothers did as well. I said, here's the
thing about the difference between that kids like me who
took the musical path versus the athletic path, is that at some
time, at some point, the athletic path, you just can't do
it anymore. That's right, your body can win poses, yeah. The
musician path, you can do it into your 60s. And
the speaker path, you could do it till you drop dead with that
mic in your hand. Boom.
That's why I love it. That's why I love it. And one thing about
music, and I was trying to explain this to my daughter,
probably being a little bit too hardcore. She's only 11, and
playing flute. Her concerts are this week, and I hate that I
missed him but, but she's like, Dad, it's just this one piece.
I'm really struggling with it. I'm like, well, babe, when's
your concert Friday? I'm like, What's today is Monday? Game
practice? I'm like, here's the thing about music, it's a lot
different from sports and football. You can train all day
and eat, eat eat well, and, you know, make sacrifices and play
running back and someone not blocking, you can't run through
the hole, right? Music, you know the song is going to be 334, you
know when it's going to happen. You You have heard either the
drummer who recorded it. You've heard you know you you can
create a plan about how you want to execute it, and it's just
about, are you going to be willing to sit there and be
patient enough to to master that performance and then do it in
front of people or with people? Yes, you know what the song is
going to be. Yeah, there is no guessing game. Yeah.
I mean, in football, anything can happen, right? You're
guessing what the play is gonna be, and then as that play is
happening, you got a jib and jab in the moment. It's like jazz.
It is true improvisation. I wish I had played sports a little bit
more, like I experimented with some things. I mean, I was a
pretty dang good disco roller skater. I was a speed skater,
which is a very bougie New England thing to do. And I tried
T ball, but I just knew I had those sticks. Yeah, man, you
know, they kicked the soccer ball to me. I ran the wrong way.
I mean, I just it wasn't my thing. I was but, and I will
say, if you guys are, if you guys feel like this podcast, is
that the I'd hit that podcast, it's a very famous podcast, but
it's really noisy. Yeah, he's always set up at some restaurant
or something, Jim's, this is his place of business, and he's
having his Christmas party out there. Yeah, so people are
starting to eat through sugar cookie. Season they're getting
home, she worked up on sugar,
yeah, certainly not alcohol, that's for sure. No way, no,
no way. So this, I mean, this is, this is fascinating. And as
you know, it's my thing, my challenge, even all these years
in, you know, as a speaker, you know that entire industry seems
to run most effectively being you're represented by a bureau,
so you're with Washington speakers bureau, or you're with
all these different little boutique bureaus, and somebody
you know from corporate America, you know, they call up the
agency, and they're like, you know, we need somebody in the
entertainment space, or we need someone in the education space.
And we'd like it to be below this dollar amount. And if you
go above this dollar amount, you know, you can get our ex
saxophone playing president. But if you go down this direction,
you can get a drummer, you know, so, but the thing is, is that
the whole industry is based on that, and it's they don't
necessarily market on your behalf and go to the you know,
get down and dirty for you. They just respond to the interest
from the caller. So how do we figure out how to get more work?
And for me, it's just been through human relationships. You
know? Is that how you find you get your gigs? Yeah,
so man, like I got, I've spoke. I did universal, Universal
Studios in Orlando, big I spoke, and it went really well, and I
traded tickets, lot of tickets, but they called me back this
this past week and said, Hey, can you come back and speak
again so you repeat business? Yeah, I'm like, this is, this is
awesome. It's great. And I can, I could definitely be a lot more
strategic in the speaking lane, but I think I was just speaking
on mental health, yeah, and and performance, because to me, it's
the same thing. I don't, I don't, there are, there's two
schools of thinking. There's a lot of people who feel like, if
you take an athlete or a musician, you get them out of
that environment, you rescue them, and then you put them in a
space to just really work on their mental health. But you and
I know, if the gig doesn't go well, we sit with that, yeah
and, and the way to get me from A to B and operating from the
healthy versions of myself, we got to address how I'm playing,
how I'm not playing, yeah, like, what are the gaps? Like, let's
deal with that. So to me, I mix high performance and mental
health. So whatever it is that you do, it's two things. Same
thing to me, high performance in relationships, because what I
found is people get broken in three ways, in relationship with
relationship with other people, with themselves or their higher
power and and you can put it in that box of once we get broken,
we get defensive. So if I can help people build that bridge
back to being connected with that hopeful version of me,
yeah, or what I hoped about you in our relationship or my higher
power, whatever it is, right? Um, that's good work. So I just
try to operate from that lens. And somebody can tell me
anything. Hey, Hubert we want our employees to be better at
having difficult conversations? I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna bring
it back to that. Okay, what's your self talk? Are you able to
have difficult conversations with yourself. You know what I
mean? Start there, no. So
a lot of times, you know, I'll have a difficult conversation
with myself in the mirror, and then
I go, All right, let's go for glass one. Yeah,
I'll just bury my bury my feelings. Which is not the whole
thing about mental health, as we know that it's, it's a daily
thing. Yeah, it's like, what are the things that are going to
center you? I mean, I like to get up in the morning. I have a
little quiet time myself, a nice dark cup of coffee. I gots to
stretch. I gotta hydrate, I gotta go on a walk. I gotta read
something, gotta do something for my that's got to be
difficult to because you know how they say put yourself first
so you can show up for everyone else. How do you put yourself
first when you got six kids? Man, that's
tough. Grace. Yeah, so you said something. You said, I'll have
this hard talk with myself, and then I'll just go to the wine.
Dang. That's public record, guys, I think I I think
here's, here's here's what's important, though, there's a lot
of people that are in that cycle, and it might not be wine,
it might be something else. Sure, I feel like we all
perfectly got right where we are right, and understanding that,
and throwing in a ton of grace, you know, we're just all trying
to figure out how to make it work. And if you approach
yourself with grace, like, as far as far as what I know that's
the best way to do it. In other words,
don't be so hard on your That's right, that's right. Like, push
yourself. But if something happens where you don't get your
workout in, or you don't get your me time, or something
doesn't go as planned, don't be so hard, I know.
So you love it into right size, and I bet you it would go a
whole lot better. And, you know, especially high performers, like
I would imagine, the internal, rich voice on the drums is like,
Hey, man, you gotta, you gotta be more clean. You gotta really
give this part the energy it needs. Yeah. But a lot of times
that voice spills out into our relationships. And I'ma speak
from personal experience. The guy, the voice here, my dad's a
very hands on. He was disciplinary and very like
present with me, mine too. And his voice is that critical.
Voice is there, and is great for developing on the drums or, you
know, skill set, it is not so great developing in relationship
with the woman or even my kids, right? Was he encouraging,
though? To you? Oh, yeah. Super encouraging. Very positive,
dude. Yeah. I
had my brother on my podcast not too long ago, and you remember
my brother said, what lives in his head is our father telling
him, if you go to music, you're going to be a garbage man.
That's tough. And that, I mean, but that that your brother took
that to heart, yeah,
but he, he ended up doing the path that was laid before him
instead of what he felt like he could do. Yeah, you know, he
became the attorney. He went to college, and he does that. He's
okay being he's happy being an attorney. He's a great attorney,
but he's at the stage of life where he could move here and
have leverage and give it a shot. And I've been encouraging
him to do that, yeah, hopefully he does. So, yeah.
So on that point, it's never too late to step into your
authenticity, because it's always there. It's always there.
I mean, I like, I have my own band now, the networks, funk
band. Yeah, tell
me. So what was the inspiration to be like you just wanted to
have a creative outlet for yourself, where you can call the
shots, pick the repertoire, hire the players, you get it, yeah?
Because
at a point you realize being an amazing side man is being an
amazing waiter. Yeah, I'm here to serve. We serve you. Don't
want me to play the symbol. I will not. And I'm a smile, not
playing the symbol. That's right, and that's the gig.
That's right. It's not my gig. It's not my business. And that
reflects, you know, and and the you know, it's not my band. I'm
happy to be here. I will contribute as much as you'd
like, my ideas or not, yeah. But with my band, I just, I got some
guys together that I felt like I wanted to play with. Like, who
could I just play with? Two o'clock in the afternoon? Who
would I want to play with? Nice
and that's a great way to, yeah, to find the guys, yeah. Who
would I want to play with, just right now, right now
and and what's interesting that I found, we just started getting
in a room and playing, and I found, I feel like I found my
voice, like I kind of knew who I was on the drums and what I'm
not, you know, working towards, yeah, but creating helps you get
the fingerprint, you know, like, Oh, this is my sound, yeah, you
know, so, and being around people that lift you up too,
that's right, stretch you Yeah? And it's okay, like, I feel
comfortable enough I try this, man, you know,
yeah, it's a safe space. Yeah, to do that, yep, Oh, yeah. I'm
always looking to play different music and stuff. But I've
mentioned this on so many shows. The tough part is finding that
front person that doesn't is not swimming in ego and confront a
band can sing, is willing to do it, you know, because this town
is all about I'm a solo artist, and I've got some people in the
back wearing black. That's the mentality. So,
so the network is the opposite of that. Yes, we literally play,
I mean, horns to funk band, no front person. Oh, everyone takes
turns singing. Someone will take turns singing or will bring up
people. But it's, it's more movements, it's funk music. So,
yeah, you know it's,
it's P funk. You're doing James Brown, you're doing, we music,
we create. Oh, it's original. It's
all original funk music. And we were, I'm super proud of this,
because we were, like, one of the we did, like a whiskey jam
residency at one point, and it was like, for a whole month. Do
you guys have a record out? No, we don't. We haven't even
recorded music yet, but it's almost like the Trans Siberian
Orchestra model, yeah, lead singers? No, I wanted to do and
it actually makes it very awkward in an entertaining way.
Yeah, I lead the band. I'll and we got the mic back
there telling jokes in between songs and stuff. No, because I
don't like talking. Oh, I guess it's weird, because, you know,
you give me a mic, we have a great time.
I'm more like everybody laughing because I leave, I lead the band
by like, whoo, and we've played together so much, I would just
kind of, we have, like, a strategic plan, yeah, and it's,
it's dance music. It's about a vibe and moment? Well,
that needs to come back the the experience of going out on a
Friday or Saturday night and waiting in a line and getting
into a place, and then it's standing room only, and the
people are it's mostly dancing and it's sweaty, and it's like
the waitress is trying to come through with the Martini,
spilling it all over the place, and everyone's just sweaty. And
you. Heck, yeah, that's, that's, that's, that was the goal. That
sounds like a good time, yeah? And it's kind of like the
opposite of everything else, yeah, well, I mean,
like, Look at this. I'm looking at this track record. Were you
on that KEB mo record with Keo? That was key.
I did make the record, but you played live, but I've played
with Kevin, a ton. He lives
around here, right? Yeah, he's, man, I'm a brilliant dude. I
mean, I love that, that theme song of Mike and Molly,
yeah, he's great. Oh God, Adam Lambert, yeah, yeah. What was
that stuff? A Little Big Town
Oak Ridge Boys, yeah. They came out. Opry,
Jana Kramer, I toured with Jana
for a little bit. Hunter Hayes, what happened to Hunter man,
man,
Hunter, so fun story. I was just a fan of Hunter man, like,
Hunter is a phenomenal musician, if people don't
know, it's kind of like a country John Mayer, kind of next
level, right? Like the next level up. Seriously, yeah. And I
was a fan of his. And one day we were doing, like, I was playing
with little, big town, and we were doing awards, and he was
kind of doing, like, you know, they have, like, if you go to
Vegas, like, the amas used to be there or something like that,
yeah. But he was doing, like, a side show, and he was, he only
brought in his MD, and it was a house band, yeah. And I was
like, I'm gonna go over there and watch Hunter. So I'm
watching him rehearse. And I'm like, Man, this is not his vibe.
And he looked at me, and I had met him before, and I was just
joking. I'm like, bro, I know all your songs. He's like, what
you want to play. He's like, because this is, this is so bad
dude in the middle of, like, getting ready for little big
time on, on, like, playing live TV. I went to my hotel, and just
like he gave me what he's gonna play, we played, like a, like a,
probably a 60 minute set, crushed it. He was like, bro,
that was phenomenal. Is this
during the Steve Sinatra, after
after, right after, that's right after. So I started working with
him like he would bring me in every once in a while. And I got
a call one day from his MD, my buddy Andy Sheridan. He's like,
Hubert Hunter is about to go into the new year, man, and he
needs a whole new band. It was like, right when Steve had left
for good and and I was like, dude, well, don't call anybody.
I gotta. I got a band. He's like, what? I'm like, yeah, man,
I just started my own band. It's called the network. We're a funk
band, but I think you're gonna like these guys. And he's like,
Well, when can I hear him? And I was like, tomorrow. He's like,
all right, where I'm like, my buddy's garage. And he showed
up. I called my friends, but got to the band, like, Yo, we got to
get together tomorrow. We didn't have rehearsal, so he showed up,
drove his very nice car in East Nashville, parked in front of
the garage. Hunter Hayes sits in the corner. We just played
through a couple songs that we and he said, Call me back that
night. I want the whole band. Obviously, I'm like, Man, I
little, big town is really great for me right now. So he took
that band on the road. And I call one of my buddies from
Chicago because he's a young drummer. You probably know him
now. He's phenomenal. Dude named Dez is black drum hippie on
Instagram. Black drum hippie, yeah, I follow him. So when he
was younger, I met him in Chicago. He's like, Dude, I want
to play country music. I'm like, but you got to join the circus,
bro. I got friends in town.
That's branding. Oh, I know the black drum hippie,
yeah. So he, I, he came and stayed with me for the audition,
and I gave him some like, dude, go play these drums and do it
like this. He, he's, I did not tell him how to play because
he's elite on drums, yeah, but, uh,
the network, yeah, sounds great. Well, you next, next step is a
record for you guys, or, yeah, live record.
Yeah, that'd be fun. We so we've done Hunter, actually, because
he loves the band. He recorded us. We did like a thing at
Rudy's, and he recorded like a version of it, yeah? He just
loves the bands, because he ended up touring with those guys
for a couple years. Awesome. Yeah,
see now you're you're a net, you're a connector. Yes. I mean,
you set those guys up for success, yes. And now they're
all a job. Now
they all play for the bass player plays it Lauren and Elena
Colton, oh, yeah, yeah. And then the keys player, Jonathan plays
brothers Osborne. Now, yeah, those Adam on Adam box. That's
my brother. I love that dude. Yeah, you want to talk about
that's my spirit animal. Man, yeah,
you know what I gotta I gotta apologize to you. I It sounds
like we were off to a really, really great start together, and
I haven't seen you in years. Man, oh, man. So I'm just, I've
just been a bad friend. No,
it's all, it's all good because I was always watching from you,
man, I'm just happy. I'm
just happy that you're doing the thing. You got a healthy life,
healthy family, you got a rock solid gig celebrating 10 years.
You know, your build. You got this side hustle. You got your
speaking thing happening. I think the I think the book is
next. You write a book gives you a little bit more credibility.
Phone will ring a little bit more. Or, you mean, you're
totally credible. Anybody in the world would be happy to have
you. But there's something about trying to get five books under
your butt. I want to just kind of shoot for five, man heck,
shoot for 50. But, you know, I got three out. Put out another.
You know, they say, get the five if you can. You know, five
books, and then people can stumble across you're like, oh,
published author, Amazon bestseller, just one more little
feather in your cap. And they go, how much do you need? And it
just justifies it.
You know what's interesting? I've had this huge defensive
posture towards the first book, yeah, but when you said five, it
it almost like released me from it like, Hey, I'm going for five
The first one's fine.
Hey, look at Grant Cardone. We thought when we interviewed
Grant Cardone, he said, You know what, man I was, I didn't want
to be paralyzed by this. Just he I said, just there. He says the
first book had typos. It just get it out. He
said, It's a best selling book, not a best written book.
Just get it out. And then just content, content, content. Gary
V. I was telling, uh, Jim the other day, I reposted something
for Gary V. I thought it was some cool little quote he had
scribbled on a napkin. Hit me back man, on a DM said, great
work. Keep building. You know what I mean? I'm like, so good
man. I needed that. I needed that kick. Because sometimes I'm
sometimes I feel like, Oh, my God, I'm going to be, you know,
going to be 55 years old. I can live in a 55 and older
community. I'm going to be driving around a golf cart. You
know, are my best days behind. You know what I mean, you get
this, they're not man, I've got energy. I've got ideas. You
know what Gary would say to you? He'd look at you and go, and he
just go like, he's like, okay, you've done all this, and that's
right. And just keep going. That's right. Just keep going.
You know? So remember your purpose? 2025 you know my
purpose? Statement, real easy. My purpose in life is to affect
people in a positive way and change lives. One sentence, do
you have a sentence?
I don't know of a sentence, but what
about couple sentences? I'll say this,
and I wish
it's very simple. I
want to be Christ. Like, I
want to be Christ. Like, well, that's better than mine. It's
the highest it's the highest form of high performance. Like,
like, I don't know if it's the Holy Well, it probably is the
Holy Spirit. But when I look at how Christ moved, that is the
highest form of high performance. That's Jordan,
that's COVID. That's, yeah, that's LeBron. That's LeBron,
yeah. I mean his principles, the way that he moved, the grace,
his convictions. And I think, you know, for me, like going
back into the Word and being like, you know, I don't want to,
I don't want to have a perception of what I was told
about it. I want to, you know, be breathed on every day and and
in a new season about what I'm experiencing from the word like,
that's that will guide me on who I should be helping. How do I
organize my skill set, and how do I divide time between pouring
into my babies and and keeping my wife on board, you know,
like, it's too complex for me to create a mission that does it
all because it's impossible. It's impossible. And I think
that sounds crazy to think that impossible is a hopeful thing,
but it is because I know I'm not alone, like, I got great
friends, yeah, great mentors, amazing people who I look up to
that I might not talk to them every day, but I glean from
them, right, like yourself. So there's
something very powerful in, you know, and Jim can attest to
this, you know, just the idea of like, just release it to God,
you know what I mean? Just like, just like, just, just, dude, lay
it at the foot of the cross. Just, just, just like, it's,
it's good to know some to the overachiever in me feels like
that's too easy. Yeah? Sounds like work. It's got to be hard.
Yeah, sweaty. It's got to be the sweat of your brow in 23 hour
days. And maybe not. Yeah,
maybe not. I mean, like, I do want to share this because I
woke my wife up at like, 430 in the morning the other day. So
hey, and I thought about this idea, I was like, Babe, because
we were playing spades, it's a, it's a real African American
family game, but my wife is not. She was playing like over
Thanksgiving, and we and we were playing, so spades is like a
partner game. It's two on two, and you know, you're playing,
and it's super fun card game. And I was like, hey, what you
don't realize is, okay, I have 13 cards. You're my partner.
Your cards are my cards. I just can't see them. And I was like,
Hey, we all have a hand that we're dope. And we have other
people in our life, our lives, that have the other cards, but
we got to be open to hearing from them, you know, being able
to delegate and being able to trust other people with our
secret parts, being able to look up to people without the ego
being in a way right,
trust people with our secret parts. Oh my God, dude, I hope
you're right. You wrote it's all down. It's going in your speech.
I hope you wrote all this down. I
just thought about that, but that's what an engagement.
Headline,
yeah, wow, Jim, ask your question.
So you have to make a decision for the rest of your life to
play in a tribute band, and that's all you can do. There's
nothing else. It's too easy. This is too easy. I love it.
What tribute band is it going to be
for Dave Matthews Band? Oh my god.
Dave Matthews Carter. We need to get Carter on. Carter is
ambidextrous. Oh, rock Carter, because
I went to boarding school and and I was just trying to make
friends one night my freshman year, and I walked into this
guy, he was from Ohio, and I walked into his room, and he had
a stack of CDs at the time, and I had my little CD player, and I
was just trying to make friends. I'm like, Hey, man, what's man,
what's this? When it says band, I just figured that it was live.
It was Dave Matthews Band live at Red Rocks. Wow, man. I put
that CD in and in the way, and then
the Huertas on the symbol and the time and the snare, the
way it sounded, and and it was, it was a blessing for me,
because that's what kept my fire going from 14 to 18, when it was
all about football and yeah, there was no music. I got under
the table and drumming and I had the car.
Did you wear the skin tight scuba gear and stuff like that?
I could pull that off. But he was like, yeah, he
was the kangal guy at a point like
the Jerry looked just like did his chambers. Yes, pretty much
he basically, at the one point he would wear hockey jerseys,
yes, and I did that for a while, you know, because he did it. So,
yep, yeah, Carter, not flattering, though. No, not at
all. My Courtney couldn't stand me wearing those.
Hey, we're gonna do the Fave Five. What's your favorite
color? Red. Nice. All right, so many red drums, yeah, oh yeah.
Porsche red candy apple reds. Porsche, Porsche, Porsche,
Porsche. Favorite food or dish?
Oh, a peach cobbler. My grandmother used to make it
with, um,
cool whip or no, no Cool Whip. Just naked,
yeah, just naked. All kinds of crusts and peaches
and then with milk or coffee or ice cream, milk would be good.
I never thought about that vanilla ice cream that just
evokes something. Anyway,
I haven't tasted cow milk in so
long. I'm so lacto. It's rare for me now, yeah,
it's favorite drink.
Favorite drink?
I like power eight and Gatorade. Yeah, it makes me feel like I'm
doing something important.
Not the zero, not the zero. Is probably
more healthy. But no, too
much, too many chemicals. What's your favorite song at the
moment? Ooh,
or of all time,
ghost note has a song called revival.
I saw those guys at pas two years ago. They did a concert at
the percussive Art Society. And all these you know, marimba
players and timpanists from around the world dancing their
brains out to go snow.
Yeah? Robert sputzy, right, yes, but is a hero, yeah? Um, his,
his grind, the way that he's reinvented himself and like,
just like, all right, I'm the funk guy now. Yeah, he's very
ambrodit, but he's super funky. And it's a song called revival
on there. It's like, maybe track seven or something on the last
have to check that out record, but it's the tempo is really and
Travis toy from Rascal Flatts is playing on it, solos on it.
Really, yes, crazy. It's great, very, it's nuts.
Yeah, one time Travis um, filled in on bass when we were opening
up for the rascal flats, because totally had to go have a baby,
and he jumped up and played some bass with us. Crazy, that guy.
We were only playing four songs, Favorite movie of all time at
the moment, the program, Oh, I saw it. I was trolling your
Facebook page. I went all the way down. It's like, what else
can I learn about Hubert James Khan? Yes, he's the coach,
right? Yes. So how have I Jim? Have you seen this movie? I've
never seen this movie. I
have not seen him, the progress cult
classic. And what's interesting is, like with today's nio error,
like that movie is so important, so important. It
in today's what culture in
IO, so now college athletes can be paid legally. Oh yeah, yeah,
about time, yeah. And I'm, I'm, I'm working in that space right
now, but that movie was about before it was legal, and how to
build a program under the table where the boosters were paying
guys and buying a car, and the kind of culture that that
creates, and the dynamics of college football and the
freshmen it's coming in. It's
an older movie, right? 70s,
80, maybe early 90s, actually. So is it a thing
you watch over and over, like we over and over. We'll watch like,
I'll watch alien over and over, or Shawshank Redemption. Or,
what's the one for you, buddy? Oh
gosh, there's so many of them. I like Shawshank too. Yeah,
Shawshank. We watched that not too long ago. But, I mean, for
me, it's anything of any of the Marvel stuff. But,
oh yeah, he's a big Marvel guy. Yeah.
I also like Count of Monte Cristo. That story is just like,
I
like a good Monte Cristo sandwich,
good Monte Cristo cigar, man. We can talk, yeah, all day, but I
know you got a headlining show to play tonight. Yeah, you got
to push into Nashville. You got to find I'm sure they got some
parking set aside for you, right this way, Mr.
Broadway veteran, right there? No, I'm a Broadway veteran. I
know where to
park sweet spots. So it's so nice to spend this time with
you, and I am very happy for you, and very I appreciate
that. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, I wouldn't be me without
you. I mean,
I love to just be a part of your story. Man, and people can hire
you. You're on ear gigs, right? Your gigs,
I'm on air gigs yet now and and reach out to me. Man, Huber,
pain, Instagram, uh, dealing with things most wanted to talk
to you. I'm a coach. That's
the best way to get to you. It's just at Hubert pain, yeah, on
Instagram, yeah, you guys heard it here first, Jim, we're
batching. Man, I had so much fun. Thank you. Now we get to go
to your company party. Yeah, we're gonna hang out and have
some have some egg knock all
the stuff. We have eggnog, but we might have hot chocolate, but
sometimes,
whatever it is, we're getting into it. But Hubert, you're
welcome to
stick around as long as you like. I appreciate
you guys having me. This is so
great. Sorry. It's so noisy
I can't hear it. It's fine.
Thanks again. But and to all the listeners, thank you guys so
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