WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:03.680 You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a 2 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.440 couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun, in 3 00:00:06.559 --> 00:00:16.079 practical ways. Oh, good morning, good morning. We talk the 4 00:00:16.120 --> 00:00:19.839 whole night do good morning, Good morning to you and 5 00:00:19.960 --> 00:00:21.679 you and you. 6 00:00:21.239 --> 00:00:24.280 Man, that was it right there. I was just caught 7 00:00:24.280 --> 00:00:24.760 off guard. 8 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:27.640 Yeah, well, you know, that's what I like to do, Jeff. 9 00:00:27.679 --> 00:00:30.120 I like to surprise people everybody. And it's been a while, 10 00:00:30.199 --> 00:00:33.159 it's been listen, it's a while. Well, it's it's only Tuesday, 11 00:00:33.280 --> 00:00:35.320 I know. Yeah, and I've been doing it lately on Tuesday. 12 00:00:35.640 --> 00:00:36.159 Did you catch it? 13 00:00:36.320 --> 00:00:36.520 Yeah? 14 00:00:36.600 --> 00:00:38.719 Yeah, yeah, Tuesday is my favorite good morning. 15 00:00:38.560 --> 00:00:39.399 Day, good morning. 16 00:00:39.479 --> 00:00:42.240 Yeah, who knows, Maybe I'll throw another good Morning before 17 00:00:42.280 --> 00:00:42.880 the end of the week. 18 00:00:43.679 --> 00:00:47.600 Wild So wow, you just Willy Nelly with his his 19 00:00:47.960 --> 00:00:50.320 Jeff I eat wild cherry life savers. 20 00:00:50.399 --> 00:00:54.280 That's how I roll. Hey, welcome to the Bible Guys. 21 00:00:54.439 --> 00:00:56.840 We are Chris and Jeff and we are going to 22 00:00:56.880 --> 00:01:00.000 start out our segment today with a dad joke compety. 23 00:01:00.320 --> 00:01:01.600 These are great. I haven't seen these. 24 00:01:01.880 --> 00:01:02.759 I have not looked at these. 25 00:01:03.520 --> 00:01:06.319 Desiree always chooses these for us, Yes, and so we're 26 00:01:06.359 --> 00:01:09.439 gonna love them. It's probably because of our delivery. 27 00:01:11.120 --> 00:01:12.040 It's all about us. 28 00:01:12.760 --> 00:01:15.040 It's all about well, we didn't choose them. 29 00:01:15.640 --> 00:01:19.640 That's so funny. Hey, so we're gonna vote who is 30 00:01:19.640 --> 00:01:20.400 the better batch? 31 00:01:20.480 --> 00:01:21.760 Okay, okay, better batch? 32 00:01:21.920 --> 00:01:22.760 Yeah, the better batch. 33 00:01:22.799 --> 00:01:24.319 So I have five? Do you have five? 34 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:24.760 I have five? 35 00:01:24.840 --> 00:01:28.400 Okay, you want to start? What part of the body 36 00:01:28.519 --> 00:01:30.519 always loses? Defeat? 37 00:01:31.359 --> 00:01:33.079 Oh? I actually like it. 38 00:01:33.159 --> 00:01:35.519 I like that. I like that, And I didn't defeat 39 00:01:35.519 --> 00:01:36.959 about it too long because you would have found this. 40 00:01:37.159 --> 00:01:40.159 Okay, how about this one? My daughter was doing history 41 00:01:40.239 --> 00:01:44.840 homework and asked if I knew about Galileo. I said 42 00:01:45.599 --> 00:01:48.840 he was a poor boy from a poor family. 43 00:01:50.200 --> 00:01:50.799 Galileo. 44 00:01:50.879 --> 00:02:00.799 Go oh, I'm just a poolivode from four family. Okay, there, 45 00:02:01.280 --> 00:02:01.840 that's a good one. 46 00:02:02.000 --> 00:02:05.959 Yes, yeah, okay. I'm at the airport and there's a 47 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:09.159 woman who's completely passed out on the baggage carousel. Oh, 48 00:02:09.280 --> 00:02:10.599 she's slowly coming around. Now. 49 00:02:14.360 --> 00:02:15.439 I like that one a lot. 50 00:02:15.680 --> 00:02:18.120 Okay, that's a good one. I'm two for two. I'm 51 00:02:18.159 --> 00:02:19.240 like Okay. 52 00:02:19.639 --> 00:02:21.520 I told the nurse I was bitten by a wolf. 53 00:02:22.240 --> 00:02:26.159 Where she asked, I answered, no, regular. 54 00:02:27.919 --> 00:02:29.919 What what read it? Again? 55 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:34.159 I told the nurse I was bitten by a wolf where, 56 00:02:34.599 --> 00:02:35.520 she asked. 57 00:02:35.400 --> 00:02:42.000 A were wolf? No, just a regular wolf. So where? No, 58 00:02:42.719 --> 00:02:43.599 just a regular. 59 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:46.120 Oh so it's all in the delivery. 60 00:02:45.719 --> 00:02:47.759 Of that was where he tried again. 61 00:02:47.919 --> 00:02:50.400 Only now I told the nurse I was bitten by 62 00:02:50.439 --> 00:02:54.599 a wolf where? But see it changes. She wouldn't be 63 00:02:54.599 --> 00:03:01.039 asking where, she'd say where. Okay, boo, No, I hate it. Okay, 64 00:03:01.080 --> 00:03:03.159 as you don't, I have crossed over to hate it. 65 00:03:03.360 --> 00:03:09.280 I hate number three. I'm starting a flight company exclusively 66 00:03:09.319 --> 00:03:12.319 for bald people. It's going to be called Receding Airlines. 67 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:16.280 Okay, you are three for three. I like it. 68 00:03:16.360 --> 00:03:18.439 I like that one. I like airlines. 69 00:03:18.439 --> 00:03:21.800 And I'm i'm I'm like, I'm like a half Okay, 70 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:24.960 here we go. A hacker just called and said he 71 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:27.960 has all my passwords. I jumped up, grabbed a pen 72 00:03:28.039 --> 00:03:33.879 and paper and said, thank goodness, what are they good? 73 00:03:35.319 --> 00:03:39.719 I like that one. That's not sorry, that's me. Okay, okay. 74 00:03:39.840 --> 00:03:42.039 Number four, yep, this is a scientific one. So you 75 00:03:42.120 --> 00:03:44.520 have to track with me on this one. Okay. A 76 00:03:44.639 --> 00:03:48.159 dragon would never explode, but a dino mite. 77 00:03:48.639 --> 00:03:53.080 Oh my goodness, you are banging all that cylinders. Yes, 78 00:03:53.919 --> 00:03:57.000 I love it, I love it. Yep, all right here 79 00:03:57.039 --> 00:04:00.599 we go. Stephen King has a son named Joe. I'm 80 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:02.479 not joking, but he is. 81 00:04:04.639 --> 00:04:05.080 Joking. 82 00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:07.680 Oh the joke King. 83 00:04:09.240 --> 00:04:09.919 I can't believe you. 84 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:10.639 They give it. 85 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:12.000 That's fantastic. 86 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:13.639 I a good one. 87 00:04:13.800 --> 00:04:15.879 Okay, I'm not joking, but he is. 88 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:18.439 Okay, all right, you like it? You like it? 89 00:04:18.759 --> 00:04:20.199 That was a good one. Yeah, ok for you're at 90 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:21.240 least at like one and a half. 91 00:04:21.480 --> 00:04:23.560 Okay, I'm one and a half. You're you're four for four. 92 00:04:23.800 --> 00:04:26.360 Okay, here's the last one. I's see, what do you 93 00:04:26.399 --> 00:04:31.000 call a security guard working out outside Samsung shops? 94 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:31.839 What? 95 00:04:32.079 --> 00:04:33.319 Guardians of the Galaxy? 96 00:04:34.240 --> 00:04:37.079 Okay, I love it like, I love it? 97 00:04:37.120 --> 00:04:38.920 Ye, Samsung Galaxy. 98 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:41.279 Yes the phone, Yeah, yes, I love it. I think 99 00:04:41.279 --> 00:04:43.600 it's great. Guardians of the Galaxy. 100 00:04:43.639 --> 00:04:44.120 Galaxy. 101 00:04:44.720 --> 00:04:46.160 It's it's great. 102 00:04:45.959 --> 00:04:48.000 Except it's a little off. It needed to see what 103 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:53.319 would you call some security guards working outside Samsung shops 104 00:04:54.399 --> 00:04:56.720 because it's guardians not guardian. 105 00:04:56.439 --> 00:05:00.639 Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, so little tweaking, but it's words matter. 106 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:03.920 Yeah, it's a little Yeah. That's all right. My last one, 107 00:05:04.160 --> 00:05:05.240 I feel like I'm five for five. 108 00:05:05.800 --> 00:05:10.000 How does an Englishman invite a dinosaur for lunch? 109 00:05:10.439 --> 00:05:10.879 I don't know. 110 00:05:11.720 --> 00:05:17.319 T Rex. No, Okay, I get it, I get that one. 111 00:05:17.519 --> 00:05:18.319 I think she I just. 112 00:05:18.240 --> 00:05:20.160 Didn't like it. Do you think so? 113 00:05:20.240 --> 00:05:23.839 Do you think so she's like forget one? Said Jeff. 114 00:05:24.040 --> 00:05:27.319 Yeah, well you know what, Actually I don't. I don't. 115 00:05:27.519 --> 00:05:28.199 I don't doubt that. 116 00:05:28.560 --> 00:05:33.600 No, I don't put that past desiree wow conspiracy now, No. 117 00:05:33.439 --> 00:05:37.199 No, no, it's actually that's a compliment to her, because no, 118 00:05:37.240 --> 00:05:40.240 it's it's not about you, Jeff. It's about it's about 119 00:05:40.399 --> 00:05:42.560 knowing that that's what we were going to do, is vote. 120 00:05:42.920 --> 00:05:45.160 And she's like, what if I stacked one stack one? 121 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:48.519 She happened to choose you, not on purpose, just because 122 00:05:48.560 --> 00:05:50.040 she had to choose somebody. 123 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:52.000 Whatever. You have to tell yourself. 124 00:05:52.680 --> 00:05:55.199 All right, well that was wonderful. 125 00:05:55.279 --> 00:05:57.839 Okay, I loved it. I'm gonna I'm going to declare 126 00:05:57.879 --> 00:05:58.680 myself the winner. 127 00:05:58.800 --> 00:06:01.959 I'm going to immediately I share all five of your 128 00:06:02.079 --> 00:06:06.160 jokes with my daughter, who loves them, and I am 129 00:06:06.199 --> 00:06:09.920 going to share none of mine. None, or I might 130 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:15.199 just do it just to show her how bad mine are. Okay, Yeah, okay, 131 00:06:15.759 --> 00:06:16.279 is great. 132 00:06:16.600 --> 00:06:17.319 That's a good one. 133 00:06:17.399 --> 00:06:22.040 Yeah, okay, so hey we're gonna go Hey, speaking of 134 00:06:22.120 --> 00:06:28.160 explosive stories, Wow, Wow. 135 00:06:28.600 --> 00:06:30.639 I don't know. I can't. I can't get there, man. 136 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:32.519 Okay, how do you get there? Well, I know it's 137 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:35.360 as good as anything, to be honest with you. Speaking 138 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:40.399 of explosive stories, I was going to say that, but 139 00:06:40.439 --> 00:06:42.519 mine was even worse. Mine was even worse. 140 00:06:42.560 --> 00:06:45.360 I was going to say something like, you're talking about 141 00:06:45.360 --> 00:06:46.879 the lady that's slowly coming around. 142 00:06:47.279 --> 00:06:48.680 I was gonna say. I was going to say, my 143 00:06:48.879 --> 00:06:54.120 jokes were deaf, and your jokes were healing. And speaking 144 00:06:54.120 --> 00:06:55.959 of which, there was a woman who was on her 145 00:06:55.959 --> 00:06:58.720 way to death until she met Jesus, and now she's healed. 146 00:06:58.800 --> 00:07:04.160 That's so good. Ah. So in Matthew chapter I'm sorry, Luke, Luke, 147 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:07.199 chapter eight, we're going to be reading verses forty through 148 00:07:07.319 --> 00:07:07.920 forty eight. 149 00:07:08.279 --> 00:07:09.319 Yeah, just eight verses here. 150 00:07:09.399 --> 00:07:10.680 Yeah, And it says on the other side of the 151 00:07:10.759 --> 00:07:13.120 lake the crowd Jesus is always going to the other 152 00:07:13.120 --> 00:07:14.720 side of lake. Wherever he's at, he's heading to the 153 00:07:14.720 --> 00:07:17.160 other ties, always on the other side of the lake. 154 00:07:17.199 --> 00:07:19.959 The crowds welcomed Jesus because they had been waiting for him. 155 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:23.439 And then a man named Jerius, a leader of the 156 00:07:23.480 --> 00:07:26.040 local synagogue, came and fell at Jesus' feet, pleading with 157 00:07:26.120 --> 00:07:28.600 him to come home with him. His only daughter, who 158 00:07:28.639 --> 00:07:31.360 was about twelve years old, was dying. As Jesus went 159 00:07:31.399 --> 00:07:33.639 with him, he was surrounded by the crowds. A woman 160 00:07:33.639 --> 00:07:35.800 in the crowd had suffered for twelve years with constant 161 00:07:35.800 --> 00:07:39.439 bleeding and she could find no cure. Coming up behind Jesus, 162 00:07:39.480 --> 00:07:41.399 she touched the fringe of his robe, and immediately the 163 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:44.720 bleeding stopped. Who touched me, Jesus asked. Everyone denied it. 164 00:07:44.759 --> 00:07:47.279 Peter said, Master, this whole crowd's pressing up against you. 165 00:07:47.759 --> 00:07:50.639 But Jesus said, someone deliberately touched me, for I felt 166 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:53.879 healing power go out from me. When the woman realized 167 00:07:53.920 --> 00:07:55.800 that she could not stay hidden, and she began to 168 00:07:55.839 --> 00:07:58.040 tremble and fell to her knees in front of him, 169 00:07:58.040 --> 00:08:00.360 and the whole crowd heard her explain and why she 170 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:03.480 had touched him, and that she had been immediately healed daughter. 171 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:06.639 He said to her, your faith has been made you 172 00:08:06.720 --> 00:08:09.839 well go in peace, and while he was still speak Oops, 173 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:12.839 that's it. I can't I can't read the next one. 174 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:15.279 Oh that's a cliffhanger, I know. 175 00:08:15.319 --> 00:08:17.000 But we got to leave it there because we're going 176 00:08:17.040 --> 00:08:18.199 to come back and address it later. 177 00:08:18.560 --> 00:08:20.519 Oh, I see, so's it's going to be the rest 178 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:24.360 of the story, hopefully, Okay, hopefully Luke chapter eight. 179 00:08:24.480 --> 00:08:26.920 Yeah, what Desiree told us was four through forty eight, 180 00:08:26.959 --> 00:08:28.439 so I'm not supposed to be reading forty nine. 181 00:08:28.600 --> 00:08:32.240 Okay, okay, okay, Oh, I'll start giving you bad jokes, right, 182 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:36.240 but of them. But we but we learned the first 183 00:08:36.320 --> 00:08:38.919 half of a story. This guy named was it Gyros 184 00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:41.399 or is it Jerrus? Ah, whatever you want to say, 185 00:08:41.960 --> 00:08:44.440 because in the Chosen his name's Gyros Gyrius. 186 00:08:44.759 --> 00:08:45.720 Okay, let's say Gyrus. 187 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:48.960 Okay, but Rus, which, by the way, it's it's one 188 00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:51.120 of my favorite moments. I'm not even kidding. It's one 189 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:54.159 of my favorite moments in all of the Chosen Gyrus. 190 00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:55.799 It's it's so good. 191 00:08:56.919 --> 00:08:58.080 But this little girl is sick. 192 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:01.240 Well, it's it's the way that they developed this character. Right, 193 00:09:01.559 --> 00:09:04.879 So anyway, let's not talk about him, because apparently we can't. Right, 194 00:09:05.039 --> 00:09:07.519 it's all about the woman who touched the robe. 195 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:10.519 Jesus is on his way to go try to heal 196 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:14.080 Gyrus's daughter, correct, she's sick, and. 197 00:09:14.159 --> 00:09:16.840 On the way he gets distracted, Yes, because a woman 198 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:20.000 and this is the same woman, by the way, who 199 00:09:20.039 --> 00:09:22.360 had a bleeding. This is the woman who had the 200 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:26.480 blood disease. And so she touched him and all of 201 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:28.720 a sudden, he says, I felt healing power go out 202 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:33.639 from me, which which, by the way, You know how 203 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:36.240 we always have these debates. I don't know about always, 204 00:09:36.279 --> 00:09:40.000 but we've had debates before about Remember I told you 205 00:09:40.159 --> 00:09:45.679 that my professor was talking about the whether Jesus knew 206 00:09:45.879 --> 00:09:47.159 that the woman was in Samaria. 207 00:09:47.240 --> 00:09:47.600 Remember that. 208 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:50.080 And it was a big debate in my Bible college 209 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:54.600 in the class where Professor Pratt said, oh, Jesus just 210 00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:57.360 wanted to cut through Samaria because it was a shorter route, 211 00:09:57.799 --> 00:10:00.480 and he was trying to make a statement about politics. 212 00:10:01.600 --> 00:10:03.960 But it says I must go through Samaria. And so 213 00:10:04.080 --> 00:10:05.559 the other people in the class said, well, no, he 214 00:10:05.679 --> 00:10:07.840 knew that this woman was going to be there from 215 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:11.120 his Jesus powers, right, And I'm saying this powers, yeah, 216 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:14.240 I'm saying a tongue in cheek. And then and and 217 00:10:14.600 --> 00:10:18.039 what you said, as you said, I believe that Jesus 218 00:10:18.120 --> 00:10:21.879 relied on the Holy Spirit in the same way that 219 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:24.000 you and I are capable of relying on the Holy 220 00:10:24.080 --> 00:10:24.679 Spirit today. 221 00:10:24.840 --> 00:10:29.480 Yeah, yeah, I believe that he was. There's a doctrinal terminology. 222 00:10:29.519 --> 00:10:31.080 I'm going to get into that, but there's a doctrinal 223 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:35.279 idea that because of his incarnation, he chose to limit 224 00:10:36.759 --> 00:10:40.399 his deity. Not that he wasn't fully God, It's just 225 00:10:40.559 --> 00:10:45.159 he wasn't God everywhere. Right, So the omnipresence, the omniscience, 226 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:51.279 the omnipotence, those things he chose to restrict in order 227 00:10:51.320 --> 00:10:54.519 to fully function as a human. So then everything he did, 228 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:56.120 the only way he could do what he did was 229 00:10:56.519 --> 00:10:59.440 as the model man for every Christian, every christ follower, 230 00:10:59.480 --> 00:11:02.279 that he than the power of the Holy Spirit. So 231 00:11:02.960 --> 00:11:04.759 you can say, greater things you'll do than I did? 232 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:11.240 Right? Right? Yes, So then how do you explain? So 233 00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:14.399 then how do you explain I felt Jesus powers. 234 00:11:14.200 --> 00:11:16.799 Like healing powers go from me. Yeah, right, because that's 235 00:11:16.840 --> 00:11:19.559 what he says. He says, Uh, I felt the healing 236 00:11:19.639 --> 00:11:20.480 power go out for me. 237 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:25.279 Yeah, So so number one, the healing comes from Jesus, 238 00:11:25.960 --> 00:11:32.759 right and uh? And so yes, do we have the 239 00:11:32.919 --> 00:11:35.559 ability to pray over somebody through the power of the 240 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:37.360 Holy Spirit and then for good to do miracles? 241 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:39.279 And he'll how many people in the in the Bible 242 00:11:39.519 --> 00:11:40.720 have do miracle. 243 00:11:40.840 --> 00:11:44.159 No, I'm supporting this statement, Peter, I'm saying I'm saying, 244 00:11:44.200 --> 00:11:46.759 I'm saying that we do too, es right, So I 245 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:49.720 believe that now you know whether or not a person 246 00:11:49.799 --> 00:11:52.360 has a gift of healing. I'm I'm still on the 247 00:11:52.559 --> 00:11:55.320 you know, fence about whether that he still he still 248 00:11:55.679 --> 00:11:57.919 throws out these gifts. I believe, I believe he does. 249 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:01.799 I think he does too. But uh, you know, I'm 250 00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:05.200 a skeptic at nature by nature, right, So, but I 251 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:08.840 believe one hundred percent that a person has the ability 252 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:12.039 today to pray over somebody and for God to use 253 00:12:12.080 --> 00:12:15.600 them to heal somebody one hundred percent. But that still 254 00:12:15.639 --> 00:12:19.039 doesn't explain Jesus's comment about he felt healing powers go 255 00:12:19.080 --> 00:12:22.159 out from him, Because if Jesus was more like us 256 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:24.480 in that moment, one hundred percent man relying on the 257 00:12:24.519 --> 00:12:27.440 Holy Spirit, do we feel healing power coming out of us? 258 00:12:27.799 --> 00:12:31.879 The answer is no, How do you know? Come on, 259 00:12:32.440 --> 00:12:36.000 how do you know? Well, first of all, I've prayed 260 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:38.759 where somebody's been healed. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't feel 261 00:12:38.759 --> 00:12:40.200 any healing POWERA economy. 262 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:44.320 Well, maybe you didn't have a lot of excess power yet. 263 00:12:44.399 --> 00:12:46.320 But by the way, did I did I my son 264 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:47.519 maybe like Jesus had so much. 265 00:12:47.519 --> 00:12:49.960 Probably like my son. 266 00:12:49.879 --> 00:12:52.360 Who listens every day Stephen on his way to work, 267 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:56.399 he actually tells me, he goes Chris or Dad, you 268 00:12:56.519 --> 00:12:59.000 need to go into hospitals and pray over people more, 269 00:12:59.600 --> 00:13:02.919 because uh, I did this recently in the last like 270 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:05.559 five years, where I've gone into a hospital and I've 271 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:08.919 prayed over somebody and laid my hands on them, and 272 00:13:09.039 --> 00:13:14.000 then coincidentally they were heading in one direction, and then 273 00:13:14.759 --> 00:13:18.039 almost miraculously, the next day, the doctors come in and say, 274 00:13:18.799 --> 00:13:21.039 I don't understand why, but you've taken a turn. And 275 00:13:21.080 --> 00:13:23.360 I'm not kidding like like and I'm not and I'm 276 00:13:23.360 --> 00:13:25.639 not saying it's me and I'm not saying you know 277 00:13:26.120 --> 00:13:28.159 that that I have these you know, the gift of healing. 278 00:13:28.519 --> 00:13:31.440 I am just saying that is what happened, right, And 279 00:13:31.639 --> 00:13:34.039 And in one case, one guy was dying and they 280 00:13:34.080 --> 00:13:36.080 had him on hospice and then all of a sudden 281 00:13:36.159 --> 00:13:38.200 he's back and he attends Heritage Church by the way, 282 00:13:38.799 --> 00:13:41.000 and and and then one guy. Anyway, it doesn't matter. 283 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:44.960 The point is is that I feel like that's happened 284 00:13:45.039 --> 00:13:47.240 to me, I feel like I have you know, God 285 00:13:47.320 --> 00:13:50.360 has used me in that way, and and I'm like, wow, 286 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:55.759 that's pretty incredible. But but the idea that Jesus was 287 00:13:55.879 --> 00:13:58.759 exactly like you and exactly like me, and we can 288 00:13:58.919 --> 00:14:02.879 you know, operating exactly like him. Statements like this say, 289 00:14:02.960 --> 00:14:04.799 wait a minute, he had an indifferent. 290 00:14:04.399 --> 00:14:06.120 No doubt with the amount of time that he would 291 00:14:06.120 --> 00:14:10.200 spend with his father, right that he would be deeply 292 00:14:10.320 --> 00:14:13.759 in tuned with the spiritual. And I think we wade 293 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:16.279 into the spiritual and back out of the spiritual often, 294 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:19.399 so maybe we're not as in tune with these things 295 00:14:19.440 --> 00:14:22.120 as Jesus was. But yeah, don't I don't think that 296 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:23.639 this negates the concept. 297 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:27.480 Yeah, I think I think I'm on the I think 298 00:14:27.519 --> 00:14:29.559 I'm on just on the other side of where you are. 299 00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:35.240 Whereas like, it feels good to me to say and 300 00:14:35.399 --> 00:14:39.519 believe that Jesus was in some ways. What you're saying 301 00:14:39.639 --> 00:14:44.480 is Jesus limited himself to be exactly like us. He 302 00:14:44.639 --> 00:14:46.559 wasn't exactly like us, but you're saying in terms of 303 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:50.759 like his abilities, right, Like that feels good because that 304 00:14:51.039 --> 00:14:53.919 then puts us on the same level as him. And 305 00:14:54.200 --> 00:14:57.519 you're saying if he says, well, the only way he 306 00:14:57.600 --> 00:14:59.399 can say you will do greater things than I am 307 00:14:59.799 --> 00:15:03.320 that then I is because of that. Whereas like I'm 308 00:15:03.399 --> 00:15:07.240 just thinking, like, does it though, does he have to 309 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:08.799 be exactly like us in order for him to make 310 00:15:08.840 --> 00:15:14.320 that statement, because he could. He could be making that 311 00:15:14.480 --> 00:15:18.080 statement by saying, through the power of the Holy Spirit, 312 00:15:18.440 --> 00:15:19.440 you can do greater things. 313 00:15:19.320 --> 00:15:23.279 Than calling you a heretic. But you walk a really 314 00:15:23.360 --> 00:15:30.679 fine line when you minimize his humanity. Sure, right, I'm 315 00:15:30.720 --> 00:15:35.360 not minimizing his deity, for sure, I know that. Right, 316 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:38.080 So I'm not minimizing his deity, but we can't minimize 317 00:15:38.120 --> 00:15:41.559 his humanity. He was fully God and fully man, and 318 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:43.960 so in that case, then if he was fully man. 319 00:15:44.919 --> 00:15:46.919 So here's what I find. I do find this to 320 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:48.440 be true, Chris, And I'm not saying this is true 321 00:15:48.440 --> 00:15:51.879 about you. I do find a significant number of Christians 322 00:15:51.919 --> 00:15:53.720 who go, well, he did it because he was God. 323 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:58.759 Also tell me that since they're not Jesus, they also 324 00:15:58.879 --> 00:16:01.639 can't be people of peace. And they also well, you know, 325 00:16:01.679 --> 00:16:03.279 I just have a temper. I'm not Jesus, and they 326 00:16:03.320 --> 00:16:06.759 start excusing so many of their behaviors. Yeah, but that 327 00:16:06.879 --> 00:16:09.919 sounds just misapplications. Well, it happens a lot though, where 328 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:12.720 people just kind of go, I don't have as important 329 00:16:12.759 --> 00:16:16.480 of a mission. I don't have it, whereas I think 330 00:16:16.919 --> 00:16:18.960 Jesus came to seek and to save that which was lost, 331 00:16:19.039 --> 00:16:21.039 and that is our mission, and it's everybody is important, 332 00:16:21.120 --> 00:16:23.200 our part as his. The difference is we're not dying 333 00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:24.759 on the cross and resurrecting right. 334 00:16:24.759 --> 00:16:25.799 Yes, that that part of it. 335 00:16:25.919 --> 00:16:28.360 So we are not because it's not we're not sinless, 336 00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:31.919 but all the rest of what Jesus did, I think 337 00:16:31.960 --> 00:16:34.080 that we're expected to do that. We're supposed to be 338 00:16:34.559 --> 00:16:36.879 like him all the time, not some of the time. 339 00:16:37.159 --> 00:16:39.080 And we shouldn't let ourselves off the hook when we 340 00:16:39.759 --> 00:16:42.200 when we you know, mess up, or when we when 341 00:16:42.279 --> 00:16:44.720 we fall short. We shouldn't let ourselves off the hook 342 00:16:44.759 --> 00:16:47.519 because we're not God. And I think that that's why 343 00:16:47.720 --> 00:16:50.200 Jesus functioned one hundred percent as a man in the 344 00:16:50.240 --> 00:16:54.480 power of the Holy Spirit, rather than leveraging Hisah, his God, 345 00:16:55.159 --> 00:16:56.399 you know, God had his deity for it. 346 00:16:56.519 --> 00:16:58.679 So my response to that would be that just sounds 347 00:16:58.720 --> 00:17:01.399 like a big misapplication that people use as an excuse. 348 00:17:01.519 --> 00:17:03.679 Right, what happens all the time yeah, of course it does. 349 00:17:03.759 --> 00:17:06.200 Of course it does. But then if you go down 350 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:08.359 that route, then it almost sounds like what we want 351 00:17:08.400 --> 00:17:11.880 to do is we want to conform our theological opinion 352 00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:15.440 so that we don't have excuses. So it's like, so 353 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:18.720 there's a big difference between a theological statement because I 354 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:22.200 often wonder and so I love it. I'm okay, I'm 355 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:24.519 okay with the mystery of God. Right, So that's the 356 00:17:24.599 --> 00:17:28.319 true definition of a postmodern Christian who says, hey, we 357 00:17:28.400 --> 00:17:31.279 embrace the mystery of God. So I'm not I certainly 358 00:17:31.480 --> 00:17:35.440 don't think that that theory undermines his deity, and I 359 00:17:35.519 --> 00:17:38.240 certainly don't think that the other way undermindes his humanity 360 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:41.319 at all. Even what I just said, it doesn't undermine 361 00:17:41.359 --> 00:17:43.880 his humanity. Well, I guess what I'm saying is, I 362 00:17:43.960 --> 00:17:47.519 don't think anybody knows. That's my statement. I don't think 363 00:17:47.559 --> 00:17:52.240 anybody knows how much he limited himself. And I don't 364 00:17:52.240 --> 00:17:54.680 think anybody understands like what he knew and didn't know. 365 00:17:55.319 --> 00:17:58.400 Because when I when I really truly, because I think 366 00:17:58.400 --> 00:17:59.799 about this a lot, and I thought, by. 367 00:17:59.720 --> 00:18:01.640 The way, yeah, I've thought about it comes up every 368 00:18:01.680 --> 00:18:03.240 time we come across these life. 369 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:06.240 I thought about it a lot because of doctor Pratt, Yeah, honestly, 370 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:08.519 And when he brought that debate up, and I'm there 371 00:18:08.559 --> 00:18:09.839 in the front row, and I made myself sit in 372 00:18:09.880 --> 00:18:13.200 the front row because he was super boring. But yes, 373 00:18:13.640 --> 00:18:15.359 and so I did it on purpose, and so I 374 00:18:15.519 --> 00:18:17.920 was forced to really pay attention. And I felt like 375 00:18:17.960 --> 00:18:20.400 I was engaged because he was so smart. He was 376 00:18:20.440 --> 00:18:23.599 just so dry, but I loved him, and I and 377 00:18:23.680 --> 00:18:25.599 I remember this debate and I'm thinking to myself, Wow, 378 00:18:25.720 --> 00:18:29.519 doctor Pratt really believes that. And and listening to all 379 00:18:29.640 --> 00:18:33.359 of these pastors kids, you know, spout out of everything, 380 00:18:33.400 --> 00:18:35.359 and I thought to myself, I wonder how it is. 381 00:18:35.400 --> 00:18:37.319 And so every time I read the Gospels, which has 382 00:18:37.359 --> 00:18:40.400 been my entire Christian life, I've thought about this, and 383 00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:43.119 I've thought about all the evidence, and I'm piecing it together, 384 00:18:43.599 --> 00:18:48.000 and I just think that there's evidence that he had 385 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:50.920 more Jesus powers than we do walking around. 386 00:18:51.799 --> 00:18:55.640 Sure, So in Hebrews, the Bible says that Jesus was 387 00:18:55.720 --> 00:18:59.720 tempted in every way like we are, and yet he 388 00:18:59.759 --> 00:19:02.240 sinned not. So I don't know that there's anything more 389 00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:06.880 human than temptation, right, So I think that the phrase 390 00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:10.799 in every way really highlights the humanity side of what 391 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:14.720 he's about. And then it's not hard logically if you 392 00:19:14.799 --> 00:19:19.759 just kind of follow it. Logically, he's not everywhere. He 393 00:19:19.880 --> 00:19:22.599 has to tap into the power of the Father. He 394 00:19:22.720 --> 00:19:26.920 has to be filled with the spirit right in order 395 00:19:27.039 --> 00:19:29.640 to do the things he does, which means he limited 396 00:19:29.759 --> 00:19:33.160 himself to even come and live in one body in 397 00:19:33.279 --> 00:19:36.119 one time and place. He's a creator from outside of 398 00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:40.319 time and space, limit all those things. He chose to 399 00:19:40.440 --> 00:19:46.119 limit himself, not some completely into a human body, uh, 400 00:19:46.279 --> 00:19:49.960 and then lived as a as a sinless man. And 401 00:19:50.119 --> 00:19:54.079