WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.560 Here's what it'll be, and we are live. 00:00:06.280 --> 00:00:07.120 Sweet. 00:00:08.560 --> 00:00:10.760 Welcome to anyone and everyone who's looking. 00:00:10.760 --> 00:00:14.700 We are kind of trying to start a podcast 00:00:14.700 --> 00:00:16.320 because we need more of those. 00:00:16.320 --> 00:00:18.360 There's not enough of those in the world. 00:00:20.360 --> 00:00:24.580 I'll kind of hand it off to Bondor and Anson and Corey, 00:00:24.580 --> 00:00:27.959 but we all had this thought of Better Buy Bitcoin. 00:00:27.959 --> 00:00:31.280 We liked this idea and this title, 00:00:31.280 --> 00:00:35.200 and yeah, maybe we just kind of dive 00:00:35.200 --> 00:00:36.959 into what we all liked about it. 00:00:36.959 --> 00:00:38.560 Bondor, you want to kick us off? 00:00:40.639 --> 00:00:41.480 Sure. 00:00:42.599 --> 00:00:45.040 I mean, JD, it was your idea originally, 00:00:45.040 --> 00:00:47.880 but you sent it to the guys. 00:00:47.880 --> 00:00:50.320 Like, well, this is actually kind of something there 00:00:50.320 --> 00:00:55.320 in terms of there's no Bitcoin podcast as far as I know, 00:00:56.320 --> 00:01:00.080 and I'm not super into podcasting at this stage, 00:01:00.080 --> 00:01:03.680 where it's just guys who figured some stuff out, 00:01:03.680 --> 00:01:06.800 hashing it out, and it's just, that's it. 00:01:06.800 --> 00:01:10.559 And you bring on, between this group, 00:01:10.559 --> 00:01:13.959 we have a whole bunch of deep depth 00:01:13.959 --> 00:01:15.440 and understanding about stuff. 00:01:16.639 --> 00:01:18.879 And then with guests and the rest of it, 00:01:18.879 --> 00:01:20.519 you can kind of actually explore 00:01:20.519 --> 00:01:24.680 an entire territory conversationally, 00:01:24.720 --> 00:01:28.879 not a, today, we are talking about the thing. 00:01:28.879 --> 00:01:31.879 And it's just, you don't get that in the Bitcoin space. 00:01:31.879 --> 00:01:34.000 So that's one of the things that really appealed to me, 00:01:34.000 --> 00:01:36.360 and just, hey, what about just a bunch of guys 00:01:36.360 --> 00:01:38.760 who figured some stuff out, who can like, 00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:42.680 hey, we're in some trying times, 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:44.519 but we figured some stuff out, 00:01:44.519 --> 00:01:46.820 and we're now actually able to move forward. 00:01:46.820 --> 00:01:49.820 Like, we're winning in these trying times, 00:01:49.820 --> 00:01:52.959 and I don't know, that feels like 00:01:52.959 --> 00:01:54.360 not a lot of people can say that. 00:01:54.360 --> 00:01:55.199 So. 00:01:56.360 --> 00:01:59.760 Yeah, Wanda, I'd add, too, we're each guys 00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:03.199 who have found ways to make Bitcoin functional in our lives, 00:02:03.199 --> 00:02:05.400 make our lives better through Bitcoin. 00:02:06.559 --> 00:02:10.960 For me, it started touching places of my life and faith 00:02:10.960 --> 00:02:13.619 that I would never have expected Bitcoin to touch 00:02:13.619 --> 00:02:15.399 when I first came in as. 00:02:21.160 --> 00:02:22.059 Nope, we lost him. 00:02:23.059 --> 00:02:23.899 Right. 00:02:27.740 --> 00:02:29.139 Yeah, Corey, we can't hear you. 00:02:29.139 --> 00:02:29.979 You there again? 00:02:29.979 --> 00:02:33.100 We heard, we heard life and faith, and then you froze. 00:02:33.100 --> 00:02:35.979 You probably should get that Starlink you were talking about. 00:02:35.979 --> 00:02:37.539 Perfect, perfect. 00:02:39.259 --> 00:02:41.460 Internet by Bitcoin, let's do that one first. 00:02:43.339 --> 00:02:44.940 Yeah, go ahead. 00:02:44.940 --> 00:02:46.940 I'm streaming from my phone right now. 00:02:46.940 --> 00:02:47.779 For the first time ever, 00:02:47.779 --> 00:02:49.339 I've never used my phone as a hotspot. 00:02:49.339 --> 00:02:51.699 I'm in a Chick-fil-A parking lot right now. 00:02:52.339 --> 00:02:54.500 I was gonna use their Wi-Fi, but it doesn't reach. 00:02:56.580 --> 00:02:59.940 So I first met a lot of you guys at Bond, 00:02:59.940 --> 00:03:02.179 where I live in the same neighborhood, 00:03:02.179 --> 00:03:05.139 and I think you guys were already having 00:03:05.139 --> 00:03:08.580 a Bitcoin meetup in Los Angeles. 00:03:08.580 --> 00:03:13.580 And not a lot of my friends in the real world, 00:03:13.779 --> 00:03:16.860 outside of you guys now being my friends, 00:03:16.860 --> 00:03:17.899 are into Bitcoin. 00:03:17.899 --> 00:03:20.860 And so I didn't have people to talk about this with. 00:03:20.860 --> 00:03:23.860 And a lot of times, I was reading things on, 00:03:23.860 --> 00:03:26.779 watching YouTube videos, reading things on Twitter, 00:03:26.779 --> 00:03:30.380 and I wasn't even sure if I knew how to pronounce 00:03:30.380 --> 00:03:33.619 words correctly that I'd been kind of saying in my head. 00:03:33.619 --> 00:03:36.380 And so I sat down for a steak dinner with you guys 00:03:36.380 --> 00:03:41.380 in Bondorf's backyard, and I was blown away by a few things. 00:03:41.380 --> 00:03:42.419 People were eloquent. 00:03:42.419 --> 00:03:44.220 People were successful. 00:03:44.220 --> 00:03:47.740 Everybody was as into Bitcoin as I was. 00:03:47.779 --> 00:03:52.179 And it was just really, really inspiring to me 00:03:52.179 --> 00:03:56.179 to know that there are people out in the real world 00:03:56.179 --> 00:03:59.619 who are not just like, in their office, 00:03:59.619 --> 00:04:01.419 going down rabbit holes on Bitcoin. 00:04:01.419 --> 00:04:04.539 And it is, I mean, I think it's improved your lives. 00:04:04.539 --> 00:04:06.699 It's definitely improved my life. 00:04:06.699 --> 00:04:09.740 So, yeah. 00:04:09.740 --> 00:04:12.820 Yeah, it's wild, one of the first ever, 00:04:12.820 --> 00:04:14.979 so I still consider myself a baby Bitcoiner. 00:04:14.979 --> 00:04:16.779 I've not been in Bitcoin that long. 00:04:16.820 --> 00:04:19.220 But it's taken over everything that I want to do. 00:04:19.220 --> 00:04:21.339 You know, I've pivoted my entire business 00:04:21.339 --> 00:04:25.420 of advertising into like Bitcoin, Bitcoin-focused things. 00:04:25.420 --> 00:04:26.260 Why? 00:04:26.260 --> 00:04:28.660 Because I just can't stop thinking about it. 00:04:28.660 --> 00:04:31.260 It's the one-way door. 00:04:31.260 --> 00:04:34.140 And I remember one of the first, 00:04:34.140 --> 00:04:36.100 because I worked in San Francisco, I worked in LA, 00:04:36.100 --> 00:04:37.380 who worked kind of all over the place, 00:04:37.380 --> 00:04:42.380 and I remember one of the first conversations I ever had, 00:04:42.940 --> 00:04:47.619 Andy Edelstrom, formerly of Swan, 00:04:47.619 --> 00:04:48.459 I think he might still be of Swan, 00:04:48.459 --> 00:04:51.260 but he wrote the book, a Bitcoin book, 00:04:51.260 --> 00:04:52.500 and I'm blanking on the name of it right now, 00:04:52.500 --> 00:04:56.859 but he posted on Twitter. 00:04:56.859 --> 00:05:00.700 He was like, hey, I'm gonna be at father's office, 00:05:00.700 --> 00:05:01.540 and we'd have dinner. 00:05:01.540 --> 00:05:03.100 If anybody wants to show up, like, you can come. 00:05:03.100 --> 00:05:04.059 I was like, that's kind of weird. 00:05:04.059 --> 00:05:06.459 But at the same time, I'm like, I just got into this. 00:05:06.459 --> 00:05:08.380 I'd met Andy before, 00:05:08.380 --> 00:05:09.899 and I kind of want to just go talk to somebody 00:05:09.940 --> 00:05:13.420 about Bitcoin, because my wife refuses to talk about it, 00:05:13.420 --> 00:05:15.459 because it's all I wanted to talk about. 00:05:15.459 --> 00:05:18.059 And I was like, hey, can I go to this? 00:05:18.059 --> 00:05:20.859 And it was like an hour drive one way 00:05:20.859 --> 00:05:22.700 to get down to where he was at. 00:05:24.019 --> 00:05:25.299 And she was like, just go, 00:05:25.299 --> 00:05:28.779 because I just want you to stop talking to me about Bitcoin. 00:05:28.779 --> 00:05:30.779 And so I go to this dinner. 00:05:30.779 --> 00:05:34.540 It's me, Andy, and I'm blanking on the other guy's name, 00:05:34.540 --> 00:05:36.220 but it was literally just the three of us, 00:05:36.220 --> 00:05:38.540 and I'm so grateful that they let me show up and crash, 00:05:38.579 --> 00:05:41.940 but it was, one of those things where it was like, 00:05:41.940 --> 00:05:43.540 politically and ideologically, 00:05:43.540 --> 00:05:47.100 the three of us were on very different playing fields, 00:05:48.059 --> 00:05:50.140 and not necessarily of like, you know, 00:05:50.140 --> 00:05:51.339 intelligence or anything, but just like, 00:05:51.339 --> 00:05:53.540 we ideologically didn't agree on a lot of things, 00:05:53.540 --> 00:05:57.339 but because we had this Bitcoin layer of understanding 00:05:57.339 --> 00:06:00.579 of like, the money is broken, and if we fix this thing, 00:06:00.579 --> 00:06:02.260 everything would be made better. 00:06:02.260 --> 00:06:03.739 We could have a conversation about everything. 00:06:03.739 --> 00:06:04.619 We talked about abortion. 00:06:04.619 --> 00:06:06.220 We talked about vaccines. 00:06:06.220 --> 00:06:07.220 We talked about COVID. 00:06:07.220 --> 00:06:08.059 We talked about everything, 00:06:08.579 --> 00:06:13.059 and we talked about it in a very measured way, 00:06:13.059 --> 00:06:15.660 that nobody was angry or emotional or anything. 00:06:15.660 --> 00:06:18.339 It was like, we can just have this conversation 00:06:18.339 --> 00:06:22.220 because we believe that the world would be better 00:06:22.220 --> 00:06:23.820 on a Bitcoin standard, 00:06:23.820 --> 00:06:27.579 and so we can have discussions about things 00:06:27.579 --> 00:06:28.980 rather than disputes, 00:06:28.980 --> 00:06:31.299 and I think that's what I just have loved about this idea, 00:06:31.299 --> 00:06:33.339 about everything being better by Bitcoin, 00:06:33.700 --> 00:06:35.820 because at the end of the day, 00:06:37.100 --> 00:06:39.339 everything is better on a Bitcoin standard, 00:06:39.339 --> 00:06:41.540 and so it's just kind of, it's fun. 00:06:41.540 --> 00:06:43.540 It's been a cool rabbit hole to go down. 00:06:46.459 --> 00:06:47.299 For- 00:06:47.299 --> 00:06:49.500 Yeah, fundamentally changes all of reality, 00:06:49.500 --> 00:06:52.940 completely redoes all of the, 00:06:52.940 --> 00:06:55.500 whatever, retarded communism that we have. 00:06:55.500 --> 00:06:59.899 So I'm not going to put it quite so eloquently as that, 00:06:59.899 --> 00:07:02.260 but I would also say, like, coming into the groups 00:07:02.260 --> 00:07:04.579 of Bitcoiners that I've met increasingly, 00:07:04.579 --> 00:07:06.739 it makes people more individual. 00:07:06.739 --> 00:07:09.299 It allows people to be authentic and more of themselves, 00:07:09.299 --> 00:07:12.540 like a turned-up-to-11 version of themselves, 00:07:12.540 --> 00:07:13.700 and I think that- 00:07:13.700 --> 00:07:16.100 They're not answering anybody anymore. 00:07:16.100 --> 00:07:20.500 To really interesting people, pretty much without fail. 00:07:21.540 --> 00:07:22.700 Can you double-click on that? 00:07:22.700 --> 00:07:26.339 Because that's actually an interesting notion 00:07:26.339 --> 00:07:29.380 of, like, turned-up-to-11 version of yourself. 00:07:29.380 --> 00:07:34.380 Like, I love that as just kind of, like, 00:07:34.940 --> 00:07:37.220 Bitcoin, like, supercharges you, 00:07:37.220 --> 00:07:38.619 but can you, like, double-click on that 00:07:38.619 --> 00:07:41.140 and just kind of give more context? 00:07:41.140 --> 00:07:42.459 Yeah, yeah, it's interesting. 00:07:42.459 --> 00:07:44.700 I had someone recently ask me, 00:07:44.700 --> 00:07:47.019 is Bitcoin more significant than the Bible? 00:07:47.019 --> 00:07:50.380 And my immediate knee-jerk reaction was like, no, no way. 00:07:50.380 --> 00:07:53.859 But it took me longer than I realized to be like, 00:07:53.859 --> 00:07:56.179 no, no, it's still the Bible first, 00:07:56.179 --> 00:07:59.660 but why did I think about that for a second? 00:07:59.660 --> 00:08:02.260 That's something I never thought it would even approach. 00:08:02.260 --> 00:08:03.779 And I think, ultimately, 00:08:03.779 --> 00:08:06.459 it's because the Bible touches your soul 00:08:06.459 --> 00:08:09.380 and Bitcoin touches everything that money touches. 00:08:09.380 --> 00:08:12.420 And money is talked about tremendously frequently 00:08:12.420 --> 00:08:14.179 over the course of the Bible. 00:08:15.140 --> 00:08:18.380 So, you know, the way that I think about it 00:08:18.380 --> 00:08:21.739 is if Bitcoin fixes everything, 00:08:21.739 --> 00:08:24.540 or at least starts to unwind the ways 00:08:24.579 --> 00:08:28.299 that money has a hold over your life and your soul 00:08:28.299 --> 00:08:30.140 and the way that you operate in the world, 00:08:30.140 --> 00:08:32.539 especially in the wealthiest country of all time, 00:08:32.539 --> 00:08:35.099 especially in a capitalist society, 00:08:36.460 --> 00:08:39.020 then you're free to be yourself, 00:08:39.020 --> 00:08:42.299 unfettered by the fiat money. 00:08:42.299 --> 00:08:45.020 The more you get into it, the longer you're into Bitcoin, 00:08:45.020 --> 00:08:47.820 the more you let it change the way that you think, 00:08:47.820 --> 00:08:51.419 which is faith-like, right? 00:08:51.419 --> 00:08:52.979 And you see, I think, 00:08:52.979 --> 00:08:54.619 on the worst sides of the Bitcoin community, 00:08:54.619 --> 00:08:56.820 you see a kind of religious fanaticism. 00:08:56.820 --> 00:08:57.780 And on the best sides of it, 00:08:57.780 --> 00:09:00.859 you see people becoming a more authentic, 00:09:00.859 --> 00:09:04.859 more human version of that, 00:09:04.859 --> 00:09:07.140 whoever that individual person is. 00:09:07.140 --> 00:09:09.780 And it's not just like, 00:09:09.780 --> 00:09:12.539 oh, like some kind of weird definition 00:09:12.539 --> 00:09:15.700 of more authentic and more turn-yourself-up-to-11. 00:09:15.700 --> 00:09:18.820 It's like, no, no, no, your actual agency, 00:09:18.820 --> 00:09:22.299 your physical agency is improved. 00:09:22.299 --> 00:09:25.419 So what you want out of life, 00:09:25.419 --> 00:09:30.419 you're much more able to pursue and actually achieve. 00:09:30.539 --> 00:09:33.500 I just saw a really fascinating, 00:09:33.500 --> 00:09:35.900 or it connects the dot on this, 00:09:35.900 --> 00:09:37.580 also from a Christian perspective. 00:09:37.580 --> 00:09:39.700 Like somebody posted yesterday, 00:09:39.700 --> 00:09:42.580 Ross is free, Bitcoin is over 100K, 00:09:42.580 --> 00:09:44.099 Ethereum is falling apart. 00:09:44.099 --> 00:09:46.340 I used to pray for times like these. 00:09:46.340 --> 00:09:48.140 And the first thing that comes to my mind about that 00:09:48.140 --> 00:09:49.340 is like, oh, yeah, 00:09:49.340 --> 00:09:51.059 the prayers of the righteous avail much. 00:09:51.059 --> 00:09:55.020 And why would those prayers be answered? 00:09:55.020 --> 00:09:57.700 Oh, because we've repented of the thing 00:09:57.700 --> 00:10:00.659 that's destroying the world, which is fiat. 00:10:00.659 --> 00:10:02.380 And once you repent of fiat, 00:10:02.380 --> 00:10:04.219 once you get the, like, oh, yeah, 00:10:04.219 --> 00:10:05.739 like, oh, this is like, 00:10:07.500 --> 00:10:09.739 my pursuit of God and following God 00:10:09.739 --> 00:10:12.260 is not constantly being undermined 00:10:12.260 --> 00:10:16.140 by every economic thing in my life. 00:10:17.099 --> 00:10:20.700 It's genuine improvements to agency 00:10:21.979 --> 00:10:25.900 that are just like unfathomable, right? 00:10:25.900 --> 00:10:27.739 Especially when you like add prayer to it, 00:10:27.739 --> 00:10:28.580 where it's just like, okay, 00:10:28.580 --> 00:10:29.419 now we can pray about this stuff 00:10:29.419 --> 00:10:31.260 and like the prayers get answered. 00:10:31.260 --> 00:10:32.260 Because we're not, 00:10:32.260 --> 00:10:35.140 the prayers of the righteous avail much, right? 00:10:35.140 --> 00:10:37.179 It's incredible, it's beautiful. 00:10:39.739 --> 00:10:41.940 You know how on ledgers, 00:10:41.940 --> 00:10:45.460 it used to say, don't trust, verify? 00:10:46.260 --> 00:10:48.820 And I think every single Bitcoiner 00:10:48.820 --> 00:10:52.340 has spent a lot of time thinking, 00:10:52.340 --> 00:10:55.940 what if I had gotten into Bitcoin just a year earlier? 00:10:55.940 --> 00:11:00.099 Maybe not if it's like 2021 versus 2020 or something, 00:11:00.099 --> 00:11:02.380 but every one of us is like, 00:11:02.380 --> 00:11:05.580 ah, like I heard about Bitcoin in 2012 or 2013, 00:11:05.580 --> 00:11:06.619 what was I doing? 00:11:06.619 --> 00:11:08.539 And then you think about who are the people 00:11:08.539 --> 00:11:10.020 that did get into it at that point? 00:11:10.020 --> 00:11:13.340 And it was the people who knew the truth about money 00:11:13.380 --> 00:11:16.940 and were basically willing to say, 00:11:16.940 --> 00:11:21.140 fiat is, yeah, fiat's BS, 00:11:21.140 --> 00:11:22.419 I'm not participating in this, 00:11:22.419 --> 00:11:23.859 and they were looking for Bitcoin. 00:11:23.859 --> 00:11:26.659 And I don't know who, 00:11:26.659 --> 00:11:28.619 maybe it's Max Keiser is the one that said this, 00:11:28.619 --> 00:11:31.700 but that you get in at the price that you deserve. 00:11:33.419 --> 00:11:37.900 And yeah, so now every Bitcoiner, 00:11:37.900 --> 00:11:41.580 even if you don't totally agree with somebody ideologically 00:11:41.580 --> 00:11:46.500 or politically, or even sometimes like morally 00:11:46.500 --> 00:11:49.299 or religiously, you have this thing in common 00:11:49.299 --> 00:11:53.179 where you don't ever want to be late again, 00:11:53.179 --> 00:11:57.219 and you want to kind of ruthlessly pursue the truth. 00:11:57.219 --> 00:12:00.059 And so you have that thing in common with each other 00:12:00.059 --> 00:12:04.179 that you're not gonna like give in to the lies 00:12:04.179 --> 00:12:06.099 that people kind of collectively believe, 00:12:06.099 --> 00:12:07.900 and you're gonna kind of cut through that 00:12:07.900 --> 00:12:09.099 and be like, what is the actual truth? 00:12:09.580 --> 00:12:12.419 I don't wanna miss something as big as Bitcoin ever again. 00:12:13.460 --> 00:12:14.299 Yeah. 00:12:14.299 --> 00:12:16.340 Yeah, I think it frees you to be genuinely 00:12:16.340 --> 00:12:18.940 for the other person, right? 00:12:18.940 --> 00:12:21.659 And it's similar to faith, right? 00:12:22.979 --> 00:12:24.700 If I come with any sort of agenda 00:12:24.700 --> 00:12:27.020 when I'm talking about the Bible to somebody, 00:12:27.020 --> 00:12:29.380 it kills it entirely. 00:12:29.380 --> 00:12:30.700 But when you share Bitcoin, 00:12:30.700 --> 00:12:32.419 or hopefully when you share faith, 00:12:32.419 --> 00:12:35.460 there is nothing to be gained from that person to you, 00:12:35.460 --> 00:12:37.940 right, it is selfless. 00:12:37.940 --> 00:12:41.179 Necessarily, it has to be selfless, right? 00:12:41.179 --> 00:12:43.020 Unless you're like a true swindler or something, 00:12:43.020 --> 00:12:45.179 you're trying to take someone, something. 00:12:45.179 --> 00:12:46.380 A true swindler. 00:12:48.739 --> 00:12:50.020 That's our other podcast. 00:12:52.979 --> 00:12:54.340 It's our Ethereum podcast. 00:12:56.900 --> 00:12:58.219 I already got the URL. 00:12:59.820 --> 00:13:02.780 Did you guys see that Vitalik just started 00:13:02.780 --> 00:13:06.539 a huge sales team, like a high price sales team 00:13:06.539 --> 00:13:09.179 on Wall Street to push the Ethereum ETF? 00:13:09.179 --> 00:13:12.580 And it related to exactly what we're talking about now, 00:13:12.580 --> 00:13:15.900 is the whole Bitcoin community can just let the truth 00:13:15.900 --> 00:13:17.619 happen to the world, right? 00:13:17.619 --> 00:13:20.140 It's this incredible piece that we have, 00:13:20.140 --> 00:13:22.099 where if we disagree with someone, 00:13:22.099 --> 00:13:24.580 I don't have a responsibility to convince them, 00:13:24.580 --> 00:13:26.219 they don't have a responsibility to convince me. 00:13:26.219 --> 00:13:28.700 We just have a faith that the truth will out 00:13:28.700 --> 00:13:31.179 at some point, right, that reality will meet 00:13:31.179 --> 00:13:33.500 one or the other or both in some way. 00:13:33.500 --> 00:13:36.179 And we don't have to spend $25 million 00:13:36.820 --> 00:13:38.900 convincing Wall Street that our thing is worthwhile, 00:13:38.900 --> 00:13:40.900 or else it fails or something like that. 00:13:42.020 --> 00:13:45.099 You know, say what you want about the other altcoins, 00:13:45.099 --> 00:13:47.140 but at least Ethereum has a use case. 00:13:47.140 --> 00:13:50.219 You can use it for creating scam coins. 00:13:51.539 --> 00:13:54.219 The great Ponzi scheme generator. 00:13:54.219 --> 00:13:55.260 Yeah. 00:13:55.260 --> 00:13:58.940 As Safe says, it's the mother asshole 00:13:58.940 --> 00:14:01.260 from which all of the shit coins spread. 00:14:02.260 --> 00:14:04.619 Yeah, but I think the saddest part, right, 00:14:04.619 --> 00:14:07.979 is now Solana is probably actually better 00:14:07.979 --> 00:14:10.500 at creating shit coins than Ethereum. 00:14:10.500 --> 00:14:13.539 And the next one will be better than Solana. 00:14:13.539 --> 00:14:14.780 Yeah. 00:14:14.780 --> 00:14:15.739 Trump coin. 00:14:18.739 --> 00:14:23.140 I do, I did watch the entire Davos thing 00:14:23.140 --> 00:14:27.739 from Trump today, and it made me, 00:14:28.940 --> 00:14:31.979 I just love him so much, because at the end of the day, 00:14:32.900 --> 00:14:36.859 he called out Bank of America to his face 00:14:36.859 --> 00:14:38.179 in front of Davos. 00:14:38.179 --> 00:14:39.020 The thing that's going around, he was like, 00:14:39.020 --> 00:14:41.900 he's like, crypto, we're gonna be the big thing. 00:14:41.900 --> 00:14:43.260 But he literally just called out, 00:14:43.260 --> 00:14:44.539 I don't know the guy, his name's Brian, 00:14:44.539 --> 00:14:45.380 but I don't know his last name, 00:14:45.380 --> 00:14:47.099 but he literally just called him out to his face 00:14:47.099 --> 00:14:48.659 on the world stage on Davos, being like, 00:14:48.659 --> 00:14:50.739 you guys are scamming conservatives. 00:14:50.739 --> 00:14:52.219 I wish you wouldn't scam conservatives. 00:14:52.219 --> 00:14:53.380 I wish they could use your bank. 00:14:53.380 --> 00:14:54.419 But they can't use your bank. 00:14:54.419 --> 00:14:55.739 Why can't they use your bank, Brian? 00:14:55.739 --> 00:14:59.020 Literally just calls him out on the stage. 00:14:59.020 --> 00:15:03.299 I'm like, God, he's just gotta be the most uncomfortable 00:15:03.299 --> 00:15:04.140 man in the world right now. 00:15:04.140 --> 00:15:05.460 It's like the President of the United States 00:15:05.460 --> 00:15:07.419 just calling your bank out. 00:15:07.419 --> 00:15:08.460 He's like, I wish you could use it, 00:15:08.460 --> 00:15:10.859 but we can't use Bank of America, it's pretty terrible. 00:15:10.859 --> 00:15:11.739 You hate conservatives. 00:15:11.739 --> 00:15:12.739 I wish you didn't hate conservatives. 00:15:12.739 --> 00:15:13.739 Why do you hate conservatives, Brian? 00:15:13.739 --> 00:15:16.580 I was like, oh man, this is wild. 00:15:16.580 --> 00:15:18.020 Where is this real life? 00:15:18.020 --> 00:15:19.140 So good. 00:15:19.140 --> 00:15:20.820 That's like a six out of 10 Trump, by the way, 00:15:20.820 --> 00:15:22.179 which is pretty good. 00:15:22.179 --> 00:15:25.380 I feel like you're more youthful Trump. 00:15:25.380 --> 00:15:27.580 I want Trump to have that amount of energy. 00:15:27.619 --> 00:15:31.179 Dude, I don't know if it's the, 00:15:31.179 --> 00:15:34.460 I know one other guy who has as much energy as he does, 00:15:34.460 --> 00:15:36.580 and he also doesn't drink. 00:15:36.580 --> 00:15:39.219 So I don't know if it's the lack of alcohol. 00:15:39.219 --> 00:15:40.099 But then at the same time, 00:15:40.099 --> 00:15:42.099 I'm reading the Old Testament right now, 00:15:42.099 --> 00:15:46.340 and it's talking about how there's a lot of things 00:15:46.340 --> 00:15:48.140 God blesses, and he does bless wine. 00:15:48.140 --> 00:15:49.780 So I'm like, I don't know, man. 00:15:49.780 --> 00:15:52.859 I'm getting mixed signals here from the Bible 00:15:52.859 --> 00:15:55.340 and then the real life of things. 00:15:55.340 --> 00:15:58.340 Maybe it's the additives in our current modern day wine. 00:16:00.940 --> 00:16:04.059 You mean he eats a lot of steak, so that's probably. 00:16:05.859 --> 00:16:08.260 By steak, you mean McDonald's. 00:16:08.260 --> 00:16:11.700 Yeah, Trump also drinks Diet Coke, so yeah. 00:16:12.820 --> 00:16:14.700 Oh man, that's funny. 00:16:14.700 --> 00:16:17.619 So the other thing for anybody 00:16:17.619 --> 00:16:19.820 who is listening or watching right now, 00:16:19.820 --> 00:16:23.739 we're trying to figure this, figure out the format. 00:16:23.739 --> 00:16:27.380 We want to try to do one or two of these a week, 00:16:28.900 --> 00:16:30.820 but really try and just talk about 00:16:30.820 --> 00:16:33.580 why things are better on a Bitcoin standard. 00:16:33.580 --> 00:16:36.500 You better buy Bitcoin, the double entendre. 00:16:39.340 --> 00:16:40.840 It is interesting, though, the, 00:16:42.780 --> 00:16:44.580 I don't necessarily think we need a better, 00:16:44.580 --> 00:16:46.260 or another Bitcoin podcast, 00:16:46.260 --> 00:16:49.820 but I think what I currently haven't seen, 00:16:49.820 --> 00:16:51.500 or just what I would want to see more of, 00:16:51.500 --> 00:16:56.500 is just deeper dives into some of the things 00:16:58.739 --> 00:17:00.940 that I care about, like content creation, 00:17:00.940 --> 00:17:01.979 and just kind of like, 00:17:01.979 --> 00:17:04.459 I know something that Bondor is pretty passionate about 00:17:04.459 --> 00:17:06.180 is like, why government buildings 00:17:06.180 --> 00:17:10.060 don't look like hot garbage, which is, you know. 00:17:10.060 --> 00:17:11.020 Well, why everything? 00:17:11.020 --> 00:17:12.780 I mean, the culture stuff, for me, 00:17:12.780 --> 00:17:15.900 like the culture stuff is like, there's so many things. 00:17:15.900 --> 00:17:17.739 I mean, just today, I was like, posted a thing, 00:17:17.739 --> 00:17:22.739 and it's like, bro, like the meme of, 00:17:24.780 --> 00:17:25.739 what's the guy's name? 00:17:25.739 --> 00:17:26.739 I'm just looking up. 00:17:31.619 --> 00:17:32.859 Cary Grant. 00:17:32.859 --> 00:17:35.859 So the Cary Grant meme of, you know, 00:17:35.859 --> 00:17:39.699 it's like Cary Grant walking in like this dapper blazer, 00:17:39.699 --> 00:17:42.979 right, next to like somebody in a puffy jacket 00:17:42.979 --> 00:17:44.500 with like sweatpants, 00:17:44.500 --> 00:17:46.939 and the meme is always like, men, what happened? 00:17:46.939 --> 00:17:50.140 It's like, it's all, it's Fiat, Fiat happened. 00:17:51.380 --> 00:17:54.859 Fiat has destroyed our culture, completely destroyed it, 00:17:54.859 --> 00:17:57.579 and every different little facet, 00:17:57.579 --> 00:17:59.619 it's like worked its way all the way through everything. 00:17:59.619 --> 00:18:01.540 So like the culture for me is like, 00:18:01.540 --> 00:18:04.339 just everything's gonna change, 00:18:04.339 --> 00:18:05.640 and it's gonna be awesome. 00:18:07.020 --> 00:18:07.979 Yeah. 00:18:07.979 --> 00:18:10.739 Yeah, things will aesthetically improve. 00:18:10.739 --> 00:18:15.339 When you go back to pretty much any time in history 00:18:15.380 --> 00:18:19.459 when there has been hard money or real money, 00:18:19.459 --> 00:18:22.219 when like gold and silver was being used, 00:18:22.219 --> 00:18:24.819 the aesthetics of everything having to do with it 00:18:24.819 --> 00:18:27.780 was better, and as soon as, when it's government by Fiat, 00:18:27.780 --> 00:18:30.060 whenever freedom is taken away, 00:18:30.060 --> 00:18:33.859 you get basically communist block style architecture, 00:18:33.859 --> 00:18:37.739 and things get mass produced and made super cheaply, 00:18:37.739 --> 00:18:42.739 and, or financialization makes everything 00:18:42.819 --> 00:18:44.900 only need to last for 30 years, 00:18:45.459 --> 00:18:47.260 and so rather than making buildings 00:18:47.260 --> 00:18:49.260 that will stand the test of time, 00:18:49.260 --> 00:18:50.619 it's like, ah, we just need to make buildings 00:18:50.619 --> 00:18:53.420 that'll last as long as this loan takes to pay off, 00:18:53.420 --> 00:18:54.260 and yeah. 00:18:55.660 --> 00:18:58.420 And the exact same thing applies to the whole fast fashion. 00:19:00.819 --> 00:19:01.859 It's ridiculous. 00:19:01.859 --> 00:19:02.699 It just goes on. 00:19:03.619 --> 00:19:04.979 Painting. 00:19:04.979 --> 00:19:06.979 I'm heading over to Italy next week. 00:19:08.420 --> 00:19:09.260 Wait, can you hear me? 00:19:09.260 --> 00:19:10.300 Sorry. 00:19:10.300 --> 00:19:11.540 I'm heading over to Italy next week 00:19:11.540 --> 00:19:14.099 to shoot a show about beauty, 00:19:14.140 --> 00:19:19.140 and the whole conceit is that we used to value this, 00:19:19.859 --> 00:19:22.859 and this is very much from a faith perspective, 00:19:22.859 --> 00:19:24.140 but we're looking at things, 00:19:24.140 --> 00:19:27.300 and the only things that we can use for the show 00:19:27.300 --> 00:19:29.099 are hundreds of years old, 00:19:29.099 --> 00:19:31.300 and it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone 00:19:31.300 --> 00:19:33.819 that we can't get stuff from 20 years ago 00:19:33.819 --> 00:19:36.060 and just compare it to the Last Supper. 00:19:37.140 --> 00:19:39.780 It doesn't work, so we have to go to cities 00:19:39.780 --> 00:19:43.339 that are old enough to have been part of a culture 00:19:43.339 --> 00:19:44.579 that really valued that. 00:19:45.579 --> 00:19:47.060 The first thing on the chopping block 00:19:47.060 --> 00:19:48.939 when your left brain takes over, 00:19:48.939 --> 00:19:50.500 when efficiency takes over, 00:19:51.819 --> 00:19:54.020 when execution is the only thing that matters, 00:19:54.020 --> 00:19:56.099 the first thing on the chopping block is beauty, 00:19:56.099 --> 00:19:59.819 and as Christians, we believe that beauty 00:19:59.819 --> 00:20:01.699 is one of the three transcendental things, 00:20:01.699 --> 00:20:03.619 beauty, goodness, and truth, 00:20:03.619 --> 00:20:05.699 and if you leave beauty behind 00:20:05.699 --> 00:20:07.540 and you overemphasize truth, 00:20:08.739 --> 00:20:10.780 ultimately, you also lose truth, 00:20:10.780 --> 00:20:12.979 which I think is what we've found. 00:20:13.619 --> 00:20:15.300 You can't leave any of them behind, 00:20:15.300 --> 00:20:16.859 even when one of them feels like 00:20:16.859 --> 00:20:19.819 it's the most unnecessary, right? 00:20:19.819 --> 00:20:22.660 You lose beauty and you lose truth and goodness as well, 00:20:23.500 --> 00:20:25.500 so I'm fascinated by that topic 00:20:25.500 --> 00:20:29.020 and the way that Bitcoin slowly, inch by inch, 00:20:30.540 --> 00:20:31.739 corrects our incentives 00:20:31.739 --> 00:20:34.140 and leads us back toward transcendental things. 00:20:35.140 --> 00:20:36.420 It's really interesting, actually, 00:20:36.420 --> 00:20:38.219 that what you're talking about, 00:20:38.219 --> 00:20:43.219 because if you guys aren't familiar, 00:20:43.219 --> 00:20:44.140 I'm sure you guys are, 00:20:44.140 --> 00:20:47.619 but Frank Lloyd Wright was an architect back in the day. 00:20:47.619 --> 00:20:48.459 He was from Chicago, 00:20:48.459 --> 00:20:52.459 and if you ever get a chance to go to his house, 00:20:52.459 --> 00:20:53.859 his workshop, 00:20:53.859 --> 00:20:57.780 so he was responsible for a lot of really beautiful, 00:20:57.780 --> 00:20:58.619 big designs, 00:20:58.619 --> 00:21:01.339 but Frank's, one of his tenets of architecture 00:21:01.339 --> 00:21:04.380 was the building needs to tell a story, 00:21:04.380 --> 00:21:07.500 and what's cool is if you go to his workshop, 00:21:07.500 --> 00:21:08.339 it's in like, 00:21:10.260 --> 00:21:11.099 I can't remember the exact- 00:21:11.099 --> 00:21:14.500 Which one, Taliesin in Wisconsin? 00:21:14.500 --> 00:21:16.979 No, the one, his house in Chicago, 00:21:16.979 --> 00:21:18.339 so Frank Lloyd Wright. 00:21:18.339 --> 00:21:19.180 Oh, that was 00:21:23.459 --> 00:21:24.579 Oak Park. 00:21:24.579 --> 00:21:25.619 Yeah, there it is. 00:21:25.619 --> 00:21:27.459 His Oak Park home. 00:21:27.459 --> 00:21:30.939 So what's awesome about it is his home studio. 00:21:30.939 --> 00:21:32.060 That's what it was. 00:21:32.060 --> 00:21:34.900 So yeah, that's his place. 00:21:34.939 --> 00:21:39.619 So if you go to his home studio in Chicago, 00:21:39.619 --> 00:21:41.979 it's a really cool building 00:21:41.979 --> 00:21:43.819 because you kind of walk into it, 00:21:43.819 --> 00:21:45.780 and where you assume the door would be 00:21:45.780 --> 00:21:47.180 is not where the door would be, 00:21:47.180 --> 00:21:48.579 and that was an intentional choice, 00:21:48.579 --> 00:21:50.819 because basically when you walk into it, 00:21:50.819 --> 00:21:52.619 I know I could tell you in the tour why not, 00:21:52.619 --> 00:21:55.140 but every way you, 00:21:55.140 --> 00:21:55.979 so there's a thing, 00:21:55.979 --> 00:21:56.819 and we all do movies, 00:21:56.819 --> 00:21:59.260 that's the other thing about us as a group of people, 00:21:59.260 --> 00:22:01.979 so all of us have done content creation 00:22:02.060 --> 00:22:06.099 on the world scale for, 00:22:06.099 --> 00:22:07.099 I think between all of us, 00:22:07.099 --> 00:22:09.500 we probably have 100 years of experience, 00:22:09.500 --> 00:22:11.459 which is actually not an exaggeration. 00:22:13.540 --> 00:22:15.260 There's a thing called the rate of reveal, 00:22:15.260 --> 00:22:17.219 and it's like how you kind of tell the story 00:22:17.219 --> 00:22:18.339 and kind of move through it. 00:22:18.339 --> 00:22:20.260 Frank Lloyd Wright had the same perspective 00:22:20.260 --> 00:22:21.739 with how your buildings were designed. 00:22:21.739 --> 00:22:23.380 It's like you walk into his office, 00:22:23.380 --> 00:22:24.420 and you assume the door would be here, 00:22:24.420 --> 00:22:25.619 but it's not, it's over here. 00:22:25.619 --> 00:22:28.619 It's like he literally makes you walk into a wall, 00:22:28.619 --> 00:22:30.219 and then you turn to a right, 00:22:30.219 --> 00:22:33.500 and then you walk out of the mud room 00:22:33.500 --> 00:22:35.060 into the main thing, 00:22:35.060 --> 00:22:39.099 and he understood that when you walk into a space, 00:22:39.099 --> 00:22:42.020 you're gonna move your eyes across that space 00:22:42.020 --> 00:22:44.060 and kind of have this rate of reveal of where it is, 00:22:44.060 --> 00:22:46.020 and so what's interesting is you walk in, 00:22:46.020 --> 00:22:48.020 and he knows you're gonna look from left to right, 00:22:48.020 --> 00:22:51.420 because that's the way that he's forcing you to look, 00:22:51.420 --> 00:22:53.180 and when you first look, 00:22:53.180 --> 00:22:56.020 there's a big flashy office that you're gonna look into, 00:22:56.020 --> 00:22:58.579 and he would always put his drafters in that room, 00:22:58.579 --> 00:23:01.939 because that's the room you're gonna see big designs 00:23:01.939 --> 00:23:03.060 and all this stuff into, 00:23:03.060 --> 00:23:04.819 and it's also really cool, 00:23:04.819 --> 00:23:06.020 because it's kind of like a, 00:23:06.020 --> 00:23:08.939 like I can show you the actual thing here, 00:23:08.939 --> 00:23:10.699 and again, we're figuring out the format on all this 00:23:10.699 --> 00:23:11.540 and what it should look like, 00:23:11.540 --> 00:23:16.099 but you have this really cool just kind of like space. 00:23:16.099 --> 00:23:19.099 This is actually in his home studio, 00:23:19.099 --> 00:23:21.859 and I can't really go through, let's see, 00:23:21.859 --> 00:23:23.560 but you walk into it, 00:23:23.560 --> 00:23:26.739 and you actually see more on this home page, 00:23:26.739 --> 00:23:28.500 so this is what I'm actually talking about. 00:23:29.380 --> 00:23:30.339 Over here on the right, 00:23:30.339 --> 00:23:32.219 this is the thing, so you walk in actually over here, 00:23:32.219 --> 00:23:34.219 and then you look to the right, and you see this room, 00:23:34.219 --> 00:23:35.459 and it's like crazy, 00:23:35.459 --> 00:23:37.300 because the way it's actually designed 00:23:37.300 --> 00:23:38.979 is the entire room is actually designed 00:23:38.979 --> 00:23:42.060 as this giant weight in the middle of it, 00:23:42.060 --> 00:23:45.060 like this entire room actually has no, 00:23:45.060 --> 00:23:47.180 it's just built onto itself, 00:23:47.180 --> 00:23:48.500 and the way that the ceiling works, 00:23:48.500 --> 00:23:50.780 this is actually just like folding onto itself, 00:23:50.780 --> 00:23:51.780 and it's holding itself together, 00:23:51.780 --> 00:23:53.540 because it's like big massive ball. 00:23:54.939 --> 00:23:57.979 Beautiful, great, intentionally thought about, 00:23:57.979 --> 00:24:00.540 but the actual work in this building 00:24:00.540 --> 00:24:01.939 doesn't happen over there. 00:24:01.939 --> 00:24:03.300 The actual work happens, 00:24:03.300 --> 00:24:06.180 if you aren't paying attention, to your left behind you. 00:24:06.180 --> 00:24:08.339 You're gonna be drawn to that like a moth to a flame, 00:24:08.339 --> 00:24:09.400 because you wanna go see it, 00:24:09.400 --> 00:24:11.260 and he's like, I don't want clients coming in 00:24:11.260 --> 00:24:13.560 and disrupting the flow of actual work, 00:24:13.560 --> 00:24:15.819 and so you walk in, and you go over there 00:24:15.819 --> 00:24:18.260 to the shiny thing where his actual office 00:24:18.260 --> 00:24:19.780 or where the work is done is over to the left, 00:24:19.780 --> 00:24:21.939 because he's like, I want, don't bother me, 00:24:21.939 --> 00:24:23.780 go over there and actually do the work over here, 00:24:23.780 --> 00:24:25.939 and so coming back to what you were saying, 00:24:26.339 --> 00:24:31.339 Corey, is like what we've lost with this 00:24:32.660 --> 00:24:34.780 mechanic of like worthless things 00:24:34.780 --> 00:24:37.540 is like actual intention behind design. 00:24:37.540 --> 00:24:38.939 You know, it's like, oh, I'm gonna put a bathroom 00:24:38.939 --> 00:24:40.579 under the stairs, but I can't actually sit in it, 00:24:40.579 --> 00:24:42.619 because I didn't actually think about the fact 00:24:42.619 --> 00:24:44.479 that stairs are gonna take up this much space 00:24:44.479 --> 00:24:45.319 or whatever it is. 00:24:45.319 --> 00:24:48.060 Like, we lost this Frank Lloyd Wright style of thinking, 00:24:48.060 --> 00:24:50.699 where it's like everything needs to have a purpose, 00:24:50.699 --> 00:24:52.819 and the purpose is, oh, I wanna have a workroom, 00:24:52.819 --> 00:24:54.060 okay, so I don't wanna be interrupting 00:24:54.060 --> 00:24:54.900 when somebody comes in, 00:24:54.900 --> 00:24:55.900 but I want them to be able to see it, 00:24:55.900 --> 00:24:59.020 like all this stuff, and so I think Bitcoin, 00:24:59.020 --> 00:25:02.579 landing the plane on this, like the world and culture 00:25:02.579 --> 00:25:04.579 and everything will be better on a Bitcoin standard, 00:25:04.579 --> 00:25:07.979 because you're not gonna just flippantly spend your money. 00:25:07.979 --> 00:25:09.979 Like, you're gonna want somebody to take a minute 00:25:09.979 --> 00:25:11.739 to think about what you're doing 00:25:11.739 --> 00:25:14.739 and what they're doing for you and everything like that, so. 00:25:15.859 --> 00:25:16.699 Yeah, I like that. 00:25:16.699 --> 00:25:18.420 You know, I was thinking in film, 00:25:18.420 --> 00:25:20.579 one of the ways to understand film and independent film 00:25:20.579 --> 00:25:24.219 is especially is the setup of expectations 00:25:24.219 --> 00:25:25.979 and then whether you fulfill those expectations 00:25:25.979 --> 00:25:27.660 or you subvert those expectations, right? 00:25:27.660 --> 00:25:28.500 And generally- 00:25:28.500 --> 00:25:29.900 The checkoff run. 00:25:29.900 --> 00:25:31.900 Exactly, exactly. 00:25:31.900 --> 00:25:33.780 But with a very, very broad stroke, 00:25:33.780 --> 00:25:36.300 the lowest common denominator studio type movie 00:25:36.300 --> 00:25:37.939 is setting up expectations for you 00:25:37.939 --> 00:25:39.540 and then giving you what you're expecting, 00:25:39.540 --> 00:25:41.780 what you're hoping for, and it makes people feel safe 00:25:41.780 --> 00:25:43.739 and it makes people feel led through a thing. 00:25:43.739 --> 00:25:46.020 And the most interesting independent films, 00:25:46.020 --> 00:25:47.540 typically people's favorite films, 00:25:47.540 --> 00:25:50.500 the films that last, set up an expectation 00:25:50.500 --> 00:25:52.540 and then subvert it in a way that they weren't expecting 00:25:52.699 --> 00:25:55.260 and lands with them, it reveals something interesting 00:25:55.260 --> 00:25:56.619 about humanity to them. 00:25:56.619 --> 00:25:58.420 And similar to architecture 00:25:58.420 --> 00:26:01.459 and what you're talking about, JD, 00:26:01.459 --> 00:26:04.420 the first thing to go when you're in a fiat mindset, 00:26:04.420 --> 00:26:06.020 when you're in a lowest common denominator mindset, 00:26:06.020 --> 00:26:07.420 when you're in a squeeze, 00:26:07.420 --> 00:26:10.420 whatever the thing is for the last available dollar, 00:26:10.420 --> 00:26:12.939 the willingness to subvert expectations 00:26:12.939 --> 00:26:14.540 is one of the first things to go. 00:26:14.540 --> 00:26:17.819 It's also where a lot of beauty comes from, 00:26:17.819 --> 00:26:19.260 from unexpected things. 00:26:19.260 --> 00:26:21.739 So it's the way I see it play out in film. 00:26:22.780 --> 00:26:24.699 For me, this harkens back to, 00:26:24.699 --> 00:26:26.339 and you can cut this different ways, 00:26:26.339 --> 00:26:28.619 but it harkens back to the famous like, 00:26:28.619 --> 00:26:32.420 good, cheap, or fast, choose two. 00:26:32.420 --> 00:26:35.260 In a Bitcoin-denominated world 00:26:35.260 --> 00:26:37.819 with very low time preferences, 00:26:37.819 --> 00:26:40.300 you choose cheap and good 00:26:40.300 --> 00:26:42.979 because fast doesn't matter. 00:26:42.979 --> 00:26:45.060 You could wait, right? 00:26:45.060 --> 00:26:46.500 In a high time preference world 00:26:46.500 --> 00:26:49.420 where your money's losing value, 00:26:49.420 --> 00:26:52.140 the number one thing that matters is fast. 00:26:52.739 --> 00:26:54.180 And so that means you have to choose 00:26:54.180 --> 00:26:56.579 either good or cheap. 00:26:58.020 --> 00:27:01.099 And unless you have a ton of money, 00:27:01.099 --> 00:27:02.260 it's not gonna be good. 00:27:04.459 --> 00:27:05.660 Yeah. 00:27:05.660 --> 00:27:06.780 That's interesting. 00:27:09.660 --> 00:27:10.500 Go ahead, Anton. 00:27:10.500 --> 00:27:12.540 I was gonna say real quick, 00:27:12.540 --> 00:27:15.540 I'm crazy passionate about Frank Lloyd Wright, by the way. 00:27:16.979 --> 00:27:17.819 He was an asshole. 00:27:17.819 --> 00:27:18.660 All of his books, 00:27:20.099 --> 00:27:21.140 kind of have to be, I guess. 00:27:21.500 --> 00:27:23.780 But he was a hardcore individualist 00:27:23.780 --> 00:27:25.780 and kind of makes you an asshole. 00:27:25.780 --> 00:27:28.780 But so a lot of his books are out of print. 00:27:28.780 --> 00:27:29.619 They're amazing. 00:27:29.619 --> 00:27:32.099 You can get them from the LA Public Library, 00:27:32.099 --> 00:27:33.739 like 100-year-old books of his. 00:27:33.739 --> 00:27:35.380 And every once in a while, I'll have them. 00:27:35.380 --> 00:27:38.260 They literally deliver them to the local branch by me. 00:27:38.260 --> 00:27:41.420 But he, I'm not sure which book this is in, 00:27:41.420 --> 00:27:42.900 but he wrote a credo. 00:27:42.900 --> 00:27:44.819 And in the credo, the very first line is, 00:27:44.819 --> 00:27:46.579 I believe a house is more a home 00:27:46.579 --> 00:27:48.180 by being a work of art. 00:27:49.180 --> 00:27:51.739 And you think about it for our generation, 00:27:51.739 --> 00:27:53.699 any future generations, 00:27:53.699 --> 00:27:55.540 people can't even afford houses anymore. 00:27:55.540 --> 00:28:00.260 Like you're lucky to get an apartment 00:28:00.260 --> 00:28:02.380 with more than one bedroom. 00:28:02.380 --> 00:28:05.579 So it's just something that I think all of us hope 00:28:05.579 --> 00:28:08.020 that the price of Bitcoin goes through the roof 00:28:08.020 --> 00:28:10.579 so that we can buy a home 00:28:10.579 --> 00:28:11.859 and buy a really beautiful home. 00:28:11.859 --> 00:28:13.699 And yeah, so there's that. 00:28:13.699 --> 00:28:14.540 And then he also said, 00:28:14.660 --> 00:28:19.500 I believe the man is more a man by being an individual 00:28:19.500 --> 00:28:21.099 rather than a committee meeting. 00:28:22.380 --> 00:28:24.339 So yeah, anyway, I just think that Frank Lloyd Wright 00:28:24.339 --> 00:28:26.219 would have been a Bitcoiner. 00:28:26.219 --> 00:28:27.780 Do you guys think, 00:28:30.219 --> 00:28:34.339 do you think we stop laying out cities in grids 00:28:34.339 --> 00:28:35.459 on a Bitcoin standard? 00:28:37.300 --> 00:28:40.819 Like, do we go back to the old way of like following the, 00:28:40.819 --> 00:28:42.099 like meandering, right? 00:28:42.099 --> 00:28:43.900 Like we can't meander in a US city, 00:28:43.979 --> 00:28:45.780 especially in like LA, like you would need a car. 00:28:45.780 --> 00:28:48.380 Thank you, Goodyear for ripping out the system 00:28:48.380 --> 00:28:49.979 of trains that we have. 00:28:49.979 --> 00:28:50.819 It seems to me on that, 00:28:50.819 --> 00:28:53.780 because many of the city, 00:28:53.780 --> 00:28:57.060 like many of the meandering cities existed like that 00:28:57.060 --> 00:28:59.939 because of the history of the city, 00:28:59.939 --> 00:29:01.780 which goes back thousands of years. 00:29:01.780 --> 00:29:03.660 Oh, there was a path here and then there was no one here 00:29:03.660 --> 00:29:04.780 and somebody had a house here. 00:29:04.780 --> 00:29:06.699 And then like, it's just like, 00:29:06.699 --> 00:29:10.619 cattywampus, goofy, goofy, like why not, whatever. 00:29:11.020 --> 00:29:16.260 But then the discovery of America 00:29:16.260 --> 00:29:18.500 and the settling of America 00:29:18.500 --> 00:29:21.859 is the first thing that actually allowed a grid system. 00:29:21.859 --> 00:29:24.780 And there's tremendous benefits to a grid system 00:29:24.780 --> 00:29:26.219 and there's tremendous costs. 00:29:26.219 --> 00:29:27.739 You lose all the, you know, 00:29:27.739 --> 00:29:32.739 the intricate neighborhood duty of like do, do, do. 00:29:33.060 --> 00:29:38.060 But then you gain the unbelievable efficiency 00:29:38.979 --> 00:29:42.660 of a high powered city center, 00:29:43.500 --> 00:29:45.900 which you can't have, like, 00:29:45.900 --> 00:29:48.300 which is why Florence, you know, 00:29:48.300 --> 00:29:50.660 it's just, it's not like a financial capital 00:29:50.660 --> 00:29:51.500 of the world anymore. 00:29:51.500 --> 00:29:52.939 Sorry, it's just not, right? 00:29:52.939 --> 00:29:54.619 It was, it's not anymore. 00:29:57.099 --> 00:29:58.660 And now a lot of that changes with- 00:29:58.660 --> 00:30:00.859 We got a gold standard, by the way. 00:30:02.020 --> 00:30:06.160 A lot of these cities got laid out when we had hard money. 00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:11.680 So some of that efficiency comes from a time 00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:13.599 when things were objectively better 00:30:13.599 --> 00:30:17.560 because we basically didn't have inflation 00:30:17.560 --> 00:30:18.520 during that time period. 00:30:18.520 --> 00:30:21.040 And so when things are on a Bitcoin standard, 00:30:21.040 --> 00:30:25.800 some of the bureaucracies that rely on taxes 00:30:25.800 --> 00:30:27.640 and also getting money federally 00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:29.599 that they just print out of thin air, 00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:30.760 some of that's gonna go away. 00:30:30.760 --> 00:30:34.719 And so Bitcoiners are gonna be the ones driving development 00:30:34.719 --> 00:30:37.280 and kind of saying how things are. 00:30:37.280 --> 00:30:39.119 They're not gonna be held back by these regulations 00:30:39.119 --> 00:30:40.839 because the people making the regulations 00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:43.319 won't have the power that they currently have 00:30:43.319 --> 00:30:48.319 to stifle development and kind of the reforming of cities. 00:30:50.800 --> 00:30:52.160 Yeah, I think an interesting question 00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:54.760 as these sorts of things come up for us is, 00:30:54.760 --> 00:30:55.599 like for the grid system, 00:30:55.599 --> 00:30:58.479 is a grid system inherently ugly? 00:30:58.479 --> 00:31:01.239 And I don't think it necessarily is, right? 00:31:01.239 --> 00:31:03.260 Could a grid system be made beautiful 00:31:03.260 --> 00:31:04.099 in a hard money system? 00:31:04.459 --> 00:31:05.819 I think probably. 00:31:05.819 --> 00:31:06.660 Yeah. 00:31:08.660 --> 00:31:09.819 But I do have to run. 00:31:09.819 --> 00:31:11.699 I've got a script notes session, 00:31:11.699 --> 00:31:12.579 but this is very fun. 00:31:12.579 --> 00:31:13.920 Looking forward to more of them. 00:31:13.920 --> 00:31:17.819 Looking forward to reporting from Italy as well. 00:31:17.819 --> 00:31:20.219 Give some updates on what beauty list used to look like 00:31:20.219 --> 00:31:21.859 and what we lost. 00:31:21.859 --> 00:31:23.060 I think your challenge is gonna be 00:31:23.060 --> 00:31:27.180 to find a beautiful place to chat with us from every time. 00:31:27.180 --> 00:31:28.579 And then you can just walk us around. 00:31:28.579 --> 00:31:30.300 Oh, this is a Trevi Fountain 00:31:30.300 --> 00:31:33.339 or this is the Perthenon or whatever. 00:31:33.339 --> 00:31:35.540 Yeah, it's literally about history and culture 00:31:35.540 --> 00:31:38.099 and what was it about that culture 00:31:38.099 --> 00:31:39.319 that created those things. 00:31:39.319 --> 00:31:42.060 So it's gonna be all I can do from right behind camera 00:31:42.060 --> 00:31:44.219 to not say, it was the money. 00:31:46.739 --> 00:31:47.579 Just wear a hat. 00:31:47.579 --> 00:31:49.540 Just get a giant hat that says it was the money 00:31:49.540 --> 00:31:52.140 and just put the money on the back. 00:31:52.140 --> 00:31:53.420 All right, see you guys. 00:31:53.420 --> 00:31:54.260 Cool. 00:31:54.260 --> 00:31:55.079 Good talking to you. 00:31:55.079 --> 00:31:55.920 See you, Corey. 00:31:56.920 --> 00:32:00.359 Um, yeah. 00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:03.479 Bond or Anton, any kind of like closing thoughts 00:32:03.479 --> 00:32:06.640 or, you know, tease up for anybody, you know, 00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:08.439 if there's anybody, is anybody still watching? 00:32:08.439 --> 00:32:10.359 We have a couple kind of things that have trickled in, 00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:14.359 but I think our goal is to kind of like find a good format 00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:18.959 and find a way to add value to conversations in this. 00:32:18.959 --> 00:32:20.319 I think these first couple ones 00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:23.040 are just trying to get the reps in to like do it, 00:32:23.040 --> 00:32:23.880 get it done. 00:32:24.199 --> 00:32:26.560 Um, you know, done is better than perfect 00:32:26.560 --> 00:32:29.800 in the first pre-100 episodes. 00:32:29.800 --> 00:32:31.119 And so that's what we're trying to do is like, 00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:32.479 all right, get the reps in. 00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:34.959 Yeah, you were the one that said, you know, 00:32:34.959 --> 00:32:36.800 we should set a goal for 100 episodes 00:32:36.800 --> 00:32:39.280 and that most people don't make it past six episodes 00:32:39.280 --> 00:32:40.359 when they do a podcast. 00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:42.800 And yeah, there's so many podcasts out there. 00:32:42.800 --> 00:32:44.560 Do there need to be so many podcasts? 00:32:44.560 --> 00:32:46.839 Could people even possibly listen to all the podcasts? 00:32:46.839 --> 00:32:47.680 No. 00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:50.079 But I don't want to undersell who we are. 00:32:50.079 --> 00:32:52.640 We're A, we're Bitcoiners. 00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:55.199 We all live in the same region. 00:32:55.199 --> 00:32:59.719 Every single one of us has had really serious experience 00:32:59.719 --> 00:33:03.640 in the film industry, the real film industry. 00:33:03.640 --> 00:33:08.239 And I, I'm not, you know, I'm not going to go so far 00:33:08.239 --> 00:33:10.079 as they were like divinely appointed 00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:11.640 to put this group together, 00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:14.520 but it didn't happen by accident that we're all together. 00:33:14.520 --> 00:33:17.680 And the things that we're talking about 00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:21.160 are going to add value to a lot of people's lives. 00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:23.439 Even if it, even if it was a small group of people. 00:33:23.439 --> 00:33:25.560 So I think it's worth it for us 00:33:25.560 --> 00:33:27.239 to continue having these conversations 00:33:27.239 --> 00:33:29.599 and allow people to listen in on them. 00:33:29.599 --> 00:33:31.160 Yeah. 00:33:31.160 --> 00:33:34.479 I mean, going forward for me, I want, like, 00:33:34.479 --> 00:33:39.160 I would love that this podcast turns into, you know, 00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:44.160 we, a cultural, like, this is what, like, 00:33:44.359 --> 00:33:48.199 hey, we have, it's not a mecca. 00:33:48.199 --> 00:33:52.359 It's like a, it's a cultural, like, meeting, meeting place 00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:53.560 where we can say like, cool, 00:33:53.560 --> 00:33:55.400 here's, here's things that are happening. 00:33:55.400 --> 00:33:57.359 Here's like, here's, here's, 00:33:57.359 --> 00:34:00.199 here's a way to understand the world differently 00:34:00.199 --> 00:34:01.640 in a, in a better way. 00:34:03.160 --> 00:34:05.640 One thing that Corey has talked about a lot, 00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:06.959 maybe I can speak for him, 00:34:06.959 --> 00:34:09.000 but he'll probably have a different way to put it, 00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:14.000 is that this Bitcoin really does bring hope to the world. 00:34:14.520 --> 00:34:17.080 And we all live in LA. 00:34:17.879 --> 00:34:21.320 One of the darkest, craziest places you can live. 00:34:21.320 --> 00:34:23.120 I mean, I can't speak for you guys, 00:34:23.120 --> 00:34:24.719 but for me personally, like, 00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:27.399 apart from the grace of friends and family, like, 00:34:27.399 --> 00:34:29.040 I've been homeless in LA. 00:34:29.040 --> 00:34:31.719 Like, it's tough here. 00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:32.560 It's real. 00:34:32.560 --> 00:34:34.040 And Bitcoin makes it all better. 00:34:34.040 --> 00:34:35.360 It's crazy. 00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:36.320 Yep, yep, yep. 00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:38.280 So Bitcoin gives hope. 00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:41.840 And then there's some real implications with that 00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:44.800 in terms of, you can, and Christianity 00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:46.199 and how these two things come together 00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:48.560 and like walking these out, 00:34:48.560 --> 00:34:49.520 I think would be, 00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:54.159 for me, a goal of this podcast. 00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:57.919 Let's walk, walk out culture, Christianity, Bitcoin 00:34:58.919 --> 00:35:01.639 from LA, a cultural Mecca, 00:35:01.639 --> 00:35:03.879 if not the cultural Mecca of the world. 00:35:03.879 --> 00:35:05.600 And let's see, let's see how this is going to go. 00:35:05.600 --> 00:35:09.399 Let's try and like work through the next pieces 00:35:09.399 --> 00:35:12.280 on civilization and what's going to be built 00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:15.959 and how it's going to affect us all over the world 00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:21.080 because LA is the center of the cultural world. 00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:24.040 I like that a lot. 00:35:24.040 --> 00:35:24.879 And it's interesting. 00:35:24.879 --> 00:35:29.199 The, that's funny to think that like really reflecting, 00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:31.639 like I was also homeless at one point in time here in LA, 00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:32.879 like sleeping on a couch, 00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:36.040 which is like right before I got my, you know, 00:35:36.040 --> 00:35:38.479 quote unquote, big break into the industry, 00:35:38.479 --> 00:35:39.959 an email from an email from an email 00:35:39.959 --> 00:35:41.320 and literally just happened to be sleeping 00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:43.000 on somebody's couch who, 00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:44.520 when I read the names in the email, 00:35:44.520 --> 00:35:46.360 they're like, dude, say yes now. 00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:47.199 I was like, what? 00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:49.000 And he's like, it doesn't matter what you're doing. 00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:50.120 Just say yes. 00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:55.919 And it's just kind of wild that that's, you know, 00:35:55.919 --> 00:35:58.719 so right place, right time, 00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:03.320 like being in LA, like being in a place physically 00:36:03.320 --> 00:36:07.120 will be still just as important on a Bitcoin standard, 00:36:07.120 --> 00:36:08.639 but I think it'll be different 00:36:10.399 --> 00:36:12.879 because the internet makes everything smaller 00:36:12.879 --> 00:36:14.919 and you don't necessarily need to be physically in a place, 00:36:14.919 --> 00:36:18.159 but you need to be in a digital place, 00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:19.679 at least where people can find you 00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:21.040 and know that that's what you need 00:36:21.040 --> 00:36:22.040 and know that that's what you're good at 00:36:22.040 --> 00:36:24.040 and know that you can deliver when it kind of shows up, 00:36:24.040 --> 00:36:25.239 which is going to be an interesting thing. 00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:29.080 Cause yeah, I don't know. 00:36:29.080 --> 00:36:29.919 It's weird. 00:36:29.919 --> 00:36:32.919 It's weird to be able to be doing this. 00:36:34.439 --> 00:36:35.280 You know, it's like, 00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:36.800 our kids are never going to think that this is weird, 00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:40.439 but I know all of us grew up before the internet existed. 00:36:40.439 --> 00:36:42.479 And so we all have that moment of like, 00:36:42.600 --> 00:36:43.560 I remember being the first, 00:36:43.560 --> 00:36:46.719 like we were the first house on the street with internet, 00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:48.399 with even a computer type thing. 00:36:50.439 --> 00:36:51.959 And it's just wild to think about that, 00:36:51.959 --> 00:36:55.840 like 30 plus years ago of like, 00:36:55.840 --> 00:36:57.959 none of this existed, you know, 00:36:57.959 --> 00:36:59.199 to do what we're doing now, 00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:00.679 to do what you're doing right now on your phone 00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:02.639 and like, you know, 00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:05.239 you would have needed an army of people to do that. 00:37:06.080 --> 00:37:08.520 For a younger audience, I think, you know, 00:37:08.520 --> 00:37:12.320 people, guys that are 18 to 22 years old, 00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:15.840 we're at an age right now, all of us, 00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:19.479 where we were just far enough away from them 00:37:19.479 --> 00:37:22.040 to where we can give them some wisdom 00:37:22.040 --> 00:37:25.439 because we're the previous generation. 00:37:25.439 --> 00:37:30.439 So yeah, being able to talk about life before the internet, 00:37:30.479 --> 00:37:33.800 but still have some youthfulness to it. 00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:37.879 Some youthfulness to us is important 00:37:37.879 --> 00:37:39.320 for that younger generation. 00:37:44.520 --> 00:37:45.679 Sweet. 00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:50.679 So yeah, we're gonna kind of regroup on our side. 00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:52.879 If anybody, you know, is watching right now, 00:37:52.879 --> 00:37:54.919 you have any thoughts on like, hey, 00:37:55.919 --> 00:37:57.600 or anything constructive, 00:37:57.600 --> 00:37:59.919 feel free to type into the chat or ping any of us. 00:37:59.919 --> 00:38:01.600 Our handles are kind of under us. 00:38:02.040 --> 00:38:04.159 If there's anything you'd wanna see, 00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:05.399 anything you'd wanna hear from 00:38:05.399 --> 00:38:08.199 on people who actually like have an entertainment focus 00:38:08.199 --> 00:38:11.479 or like a, I don't know, we all like researching, 00:38:11.479 --> 00:38:12.520 so maybe we do something like that, 00:38:12.520 --> 00:38:16.000 but just stoked to get to hang out with you guys 00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:18.600 and then also, you know, anybody who's watching, so. 00:38:21.560 --> 00:38:22.399 Thanks. 00:38:22.399 --> 00:38:23.239 See you next week.