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I used to try to practice, um, trying

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to slap people harder so that I could actually, like,

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I, I guess, like be able to match others who hit hard,

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but I just am unable to do it.

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Okay. Well, that makes a good quote for the beginning.

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Welcome to the Front Porch with Brian Bowry.

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I would like to welcome today's guest

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and associate project manager here at

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Pointer Rental, Cindy Choi.

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Cindy, welcome to the Front Porch. Thank you.

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And you are, you are an associate project manager? Yes.

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Or are you now a project manager?

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No, associate project Manager. Okay.

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Uh, let's start with the basic questions. Yeah.

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Who are you, where are you from, and

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what celebrity's house would you like to visit and why?

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Um, well, I am, um, let's see.

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You're Cindy Cho. I, that

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One? I'm Cindy Choi. I know

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that one.

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Um, I actually grew up in, um,

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the West Coast all the way in San Francisco,

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like actually in San Francisco.

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Lived there for 18 years of my life.

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And, um, and then I moved to another, um,

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place in San Francisco

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where I was only a mile away from Robin's Williams house.

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So I would actually say I would wanna go to,

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I would wanna see his house

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because every Halloween we would trick

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or treat around that area,

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and he would just send out people to, um,

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give out glow sticks or toothbrushes or, um, whatever it is.

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And we would just see his house.

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So, um, never got to go in,

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but kind of would be, I guess.

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'cause it's like this nostalgic childhood thing,

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so I guess wouldn't wanna see his house.

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Yeah. And plus, I mean, you were right there. Yeah.

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I was there so many times there. It's like, oh,

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I never had the chance to go in though.

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Yeah. All right.

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Well, yeah, it probably would've been a little creepy of him

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to invite everyone inside Yeah.

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On Halloween. So I'm glad that, glad you didn't go in there.

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Yeah. All right.

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So what did you wanna be when you were a kid?

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Whenever you remember first having that answer for,

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you know, every adult Ask

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the question. Yeah. Like, what do you wanna be when you

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Grow up? Um, I

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wanted to be a dentist.

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Um, I don't know what about teeth that I was drawn to,

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but I was just, I just wanted to be a dentist.

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Or maybe, I don't even remember.

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Or maybe it was because I only had a handful

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of careers in the back of my mind, so, um, Mm-Hmm.

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But yeah, I was always drawn initially to the health field.

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I was interested in diseases, wanted

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to help people get cured from their diseases.

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So, entertained, dentist, doctor, that, that kind of thing.

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Um, yeah, so that was my,

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Okay. Well, c well, I'm,

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I'm glad that you wanted

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to cure them. You're,

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You're not, like, not to harm them.

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I was real interested in diseases

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and how I could spread them.

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So at, at what point do you say, Hmm,

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I was interested in health as a kid,

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but this isn't,

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this isn't gonna be it for me moving forward.

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Yeah. Actually, it wasn't until, um, I was an adult

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because I actually pursued nutrition as a major Mm-Hmm.

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Um, I really liked, um, learning about

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how food affects our body, um, and the systems.

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But then I got jaded with a nutrition major.

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Um, I mean, I graduated in 2006, so it was a long time ago.

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That was when we still had like, somewhat of a food pyramid.

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And then I learned that a lot of the USDA influences,

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um, my curriculum.

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And then I started to not like it anymore.

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And then, um, after working for, um, in that field

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for a few years, I decided I should just switch out.

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Okay. So what fir first I wanna know what got you from

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dentistry into nutritionist?

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Yeah. I mean, obviously, you know,

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nutrition does start with teeth. I mean, yeah,

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It does. Um,

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when I, um, it was, it started with, um,

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my college applications

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and just looking through the list of majors.

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that entire college application process.

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And, um, so when I looked through the list of majors,

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nutrition really stood out to me.

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And I just remember growing up, um, um,

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my mom always talking about how fiber is really important,

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and then I just was kind of curious.

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Um, so there was no, like, dentistry major, obviously.

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and I just needed some kind of health major to get me there.

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And so I guess dentistry still was like an option too.

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But, um, as I studied, um, biology

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and biochemistry, um, all of that with nutrition,

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it was just really intriguing at that point.

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Okay. And, hmm.

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All right. So what, what was your first job out of college?

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You have this nutrition Oh,

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Yeah. You know, degree.

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Yeah.

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What, what's the first thing you're doing?

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So, I, I did work at a, um, a nutrition clinic.

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It's called Women Infants and Children.

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And so, um, surprisingly the first thing I did was help them

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build like a, a database to keep track

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of some medical equipment.

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and had the challenge of, um,

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knowing which medical equipment got rented out to who.

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And, um, it was hard finding, keeping track of that.

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And so I took that upon myself to like, yeah,

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let's, let's figure out a way.

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And so use, um, Microsoft Access and got with the dev guy.

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And yeah. So that was my first job, I guess my primary job.

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All right. Well, I think, I think a lot of people

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that would listen to this podcast could relate to the idea

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that it would be difficult to, uh, you know,

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follow stuff along as it's being rented out Yeah.

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And coming back. So that does seem, uh,

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absurdly relevant.

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Yes. Okay.

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So is, is there a point where you're just like,

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this isn't really what I had intended to go to school for,

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and this isn't really like nutritionist stuff,

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or where you just like, I actually really like this

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and this is kind of a field I want to go down.

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Yeah. You know, um, I wasn't super ambitious.

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And so with my nutrition degree,

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I should have gotten like a dietetic,

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like I should have become a dietician, but then I didn't.

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as a degree nutritionist,

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and then I just kind of hit a ceiling and then I had kids.

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And to be honest, I think that was like what got me to say,

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okay, you know, I'm not, the childcare bills are

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more than my salary.

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So I think it's time.

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'cause I have three kids, so I think

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after my second kid, um, yeah, that was when I switched out.

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Yeah. I think it's at a ca you get to a point

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where it's like, I'm actually losing money.

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Yeah, exactly. By doing this job.

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And also, I don't necessarily love it

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that much, that I that much, yeah.

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That I really wanna lose money doing it. Yeah.

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Because it was this, um, appointments like

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every 15 minutes.

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And so I would get so drained by the end of the day.

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Yeah. Is this a thing where you would have

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to travel doing appointments or like people would

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Come? Um, I,

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I would work in, um, so I was assigned

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to like three different offices.

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So each day I would be at a different office,

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sometimes driving as close as 15 minutes,

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as far as 45 minutes.

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And so it was just very, it was kind of taxing.

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Yeah. That, that sounds like a pain.

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Yeah. I was gonna say.

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Yeah. But they came to me, luckily I

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didn't have to go to anyone's homes.

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Okay. Well at least that's a little bit

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less, uh, driving around.

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'cause I know in a lot of parts of California,

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you definitely don't wanna be driving around a whole lot.

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Oh, yeah. Okay.

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Um, yeah, I, I was looking at your LinkedIn.

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I saw that you are a fellow higher ed,

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former higher ed person, and,

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and that you worked at uc Davis.

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Yeah. What were you doing there?

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Yes. Um, I was kind of doing HR for, um, professors.

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So I would put together, um, mainly their dossiers so

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that they could get their promotions

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or different advancements.

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So, um, I worked with about 50 professors there,

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and so just had to coordinate that process for them.

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Okay. So they're not, they're not creating their

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own like promotion stuff?

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No. There's a very strict process, um, that, um, they have

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to go through and the documentation for it is very specific.

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So I was just helping them manage all of those. Okay.

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That, that entire process.

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And you can never like, play favorites if No.

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There are a lot of people that are like going to you for

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accumulating all this stuff and putting it forward.

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You're like, well, I kind of like this person a little more.

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Yeah. Lemme prioritize

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That. Yeah.

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It was a very interesting job

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because, um, I've never been in the physics world

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and I got to meet a lot of physics and math professors

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and kind of learn about what they're doing and yeah.

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Let's just say they're very interesting people.

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You can't just say that.

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What, what was so interesting about it?

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Is that something that you had been interested in before?

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No, no. It was just, um, I guess, you know,

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if you watch like Big Bang

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or something, you kind of get a flavor for like, oh yeah,

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what physics people are like.

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But then I would actually meet these quintessential physics

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professors, and there is this one professor who came

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to visit to give a like, um,

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I guess these special talks Mm-Hmm.

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At, um, uc Davis. And he's kind of famous.

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And, um, he's known to lecture for a really long time.

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So I was helping out at that event,

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and it ended, I left about seven or 8:00 PM

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but, um, when I came back to work the next day,

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it turned out that he lectured

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until 4:00 AM Oh, that's, and, um,

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Interesting. Yeah, he's very

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interesting. Um,

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I thought it was gonna be a case where you were like,

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and it came back the next morning and he was still going

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and that he was almost, almost

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On level. Yeah. They actually took

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a, a photo,

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I think at like every hour when it hit the wee hours of the,

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the night to remember who is at that stage.

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So the crowd got smaller.

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Yeah. All right.

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Well, that sounds like a,

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a fun little experiment on it sounds Yeah.

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It sounds more like a sociological experiment rather than

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like a, a physics thing.

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Yeah. Who will stick around till the end. Yeah.

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I did not want to, Yeah,

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I was gonna say, you clearly did not win.

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I, I felt responsible, so I felt like, okay,

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I should stick around until as long as I could.

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But then there came a point where I realized, no,

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he's just gonna keep on going, so I'm gonna go,

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I'm not gonna, I refuse to enable this.

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Yeah. Okay.

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Um, and, and then you move across the country

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and you started project management officially.

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So what happens there?

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Like, I assume that it wasn't just this one lecture

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that you're like, all right, I'm freaking done here.

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Yeah. I think I always really liked project management.

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I liked, I liked processes, um, kind of thinking about how

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to best streamline things.

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I think in every single job that I've been at, there was

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that aspect that I applied project management skills.

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Even at the, um, when I worked at uc Davis, um,

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it was, it was such a crazy process

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that wasn't cleaned up.

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And so I, I really tried to streamline that process, kind

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of created like a Gantt chart and all of that.

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Um, and so I felt like, yeah,

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this is the field i, I wanna get into.

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And, um, so that's where I kind of pursued it

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after moving out here to the East coast.

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Okay. But, but why'd you move to the East Coast?

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Oh, okay. So my, my move to the East Coast, um,

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didn't have to do with my job, but I was, my, um, husband

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and I were very involved with our, with our church,

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and so they needed help in, um, our Maryland campus.

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So we are college ministers,

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and we, um, are mentors at, um,

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at a Christian fellowship on the u

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University of Maryland campus.

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And so we came to help out there.

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And so that's why, that's why I moved.

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So packed up our bags and moved across the country,

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but we didn't just move ourselves.

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We, um, we had a team

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and so of like, it's like 12 people total,

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so we all moved at the same time.

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That sounds pretty crazy. Right? I

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Was gonna say that seems like it would make it a little

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easier for the people that do move,

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because you already have like a built in group of people

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You can hang out with.

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Yeah. And they were all, they all volunteered to come,

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and so I was like pleasantly surprised, oh,

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you would wanna move with me. Nice.

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And it's, it wasn't just a case of like, well,

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we're going, so we're taking volunteers to go with us,

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or was it just like, uh, hey, this is like a, a task.

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How many volunteers do we have?

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Yeah. So it was kind of, yeah, like the latter.

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Okay, this is a task. How many volunteers do we have?

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Because we had like a group of like, I don't know,

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20 something people.

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And so yeah.

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A lot of, yeah, a good amount of them said, yeah, I'd,

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I'd like to go and move across.

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I guess the East Coast was kind of appealing too, just Yeah.

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Wanting to move. And a lot

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of them are a lot younger than I am without kids,

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and so it just sounded adventurous as well.

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Okay. And now that you're, now

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that you're on the East Coast, is this something that like,

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I don't know, when you took on this, uh, task Yeah.

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Is like, is there an obligation period?

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Is is it just like, go for this many years

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and then you can do whatever?

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Or is it like, Hey, you're here for life, or what?

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Um, it's, it's indefinite.

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I mean, things can always change, but Yeah.

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Um, anytime I make the move, it's not my,

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it's not my first time moving for a similar reason.

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Um, I just go with the assumption, okay, well,

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we're just gonna go and, um, indefinitely

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and until the tasks change

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or the needs change, I'm, I'm flexible.

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All right. Well, uh, good on you for being that flexible.

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It's like, I guess I've moved around a lot, so I, I'm, yeah,

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I'm okay with it, but So you don't, there's not like a plan

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to, to move back or anything?

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There's just, uh, wherever I am here wherever you

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may be taken, type thing.

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Yep. In A DMV.

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Alright. Okay. So how did you find a point of rental?

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Because you're not even in the Dallas Fort Worth area,

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it seems like you've been on both coasts

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and you're not even near the middle.

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No. So how do you discover point of rental?

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Um, so it was just through LinkedIn.

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It was, uh, the type of job that found, that got me

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to find point of rental, um,

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looking up associate project manager.

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And it came up

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and I was looking for something remote, just, um, needing

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that kind of flexibility at the season of my life

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as a mom of three kids.

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Yeah. And so, yeah.

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That it came up and, um,

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and it seemed like a good fit.

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Like did you know anything, uh, about the company,

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about the industry or

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Anything? No, not

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until Lathan called me. Yeah.

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I thought when he called, when I had a call with him,

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I thought, okay, I should at least look up.

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I should learn some basics. Yeah.

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I should learn some basics about the company.

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Okay. I can relate. Yeah.

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When, whenever I applied to here,

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I also like didn't know anything Yeah.

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About the industry. I was like, oh, yeah, I guess,

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I guess those people would need software.

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Huh. All right. I guess I can see, yeah, see why they exist.

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I have to say, I was very impressed by, um,

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all the testimonial videos, though.

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That was one of the things that caught my eye.

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All right. Well, good. Hopefully, uh, you know,

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hopefully we get some more people

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to, to join based off of this.

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Yes. Um, okay.

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So we, we've talked about this a little bit,

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but what does an associate project manager do?

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It's a, yeah, it could be anything. It feels like, yeah.

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It, it can be, and I kind of like it that it is pretty,

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um, open-ended.

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Um, um, I help out

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with various projects in the company, so I'm not wedded

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to a certain department per se.

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And so, um, like helping out with l and d

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or helping out, um, with

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Robert and his, um, team with the hackathon.

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Yeah. Um, um, or even with hr, I'm on a HR project,

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and so pretty much just getting in there to make sure that,

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um, their tasks, um, are recorded somewhere

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that someone follows through with it.

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And I'm there to try to help to remove any blockers,

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set up meetings, um, just whatever I can do to help move

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and push that project along so that it doesn't get stuck

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or just there to kind of remind people, Hey,

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we gotta do something here.

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Um,

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Yeah. It seems to be kind

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of a theme with you is like, you're,

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you're willing to go wherever.

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Yeah. You're willing to do whatever you're

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like, I'll just make sure things happen.

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But wherever people need me

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or wherever I need to be, I'm comfortable with not like,

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controlling that outcome.

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Yeah. And then I'll just make the best

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of whatever when I get there.

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Yeah. All I like that. Yeah. All right. Well, hmm.

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Oh yeah. So project management has been something

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that I've looked into getting into in the past

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because, you know, I've had spaces between some jobs

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and it's like, oh, what, what other skills do I maybe sort

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of have that maybe would be something

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that I can sell myself on?

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Um, and,

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but I think the perpetual, like teenager in me would if I,

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I want the PMP certificate so that I can have it at that

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after my name, but then I would get like that 50 cent song,

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PIMP stuck in my head every single time I see that.

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So it's like, uh, let's maybe not get that.

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But what are the biggest challenges about project management

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besides potentially getting

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that song stuck in your head all the time?

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Um, I think it is, um, trying to,

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I think one is, is just keeping track of all the tasks.

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Yeah. It's terrible of me to say,

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but yeah, I, I have challenges with that too.

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Um, asana's great,

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but there's this, when you got a lot of things going on,

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things can get lost.

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Yeah. Um, and then also, um,

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scheduling appointments with, um, the different groups

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of people, especially when they're really busy.

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Yeah. Um, and knowing how to prioritize.

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'cause I would hate to push something along,

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but then not realize in that other person's world

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that they have so many higher priorities.

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And so I think that's where it gets challenging.

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I want to make sure that, um,

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it is pushed along in the right way.

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Yeah. I don't, I don't wanna just force

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it down people's throat.

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Like, did you get this done? Why not? Yeah.

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Okay. Yeah. I was, I was wondering about

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that particular thing.

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'cause that's one of the things that seemed,

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I know it would be a challenge for me anyway.

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It is. Like, I like to get things done

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and it would be extremely frustrating,

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like always being on these projects where it's like,

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look, I can't do any of this stuff.

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Yeah. I need you to do this stuff. Yeah.

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And, and figuring out that way of, um, delicately wording

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the where's my stuff.

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Yeah. Um, so does being a remote employee,

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does it make it easier or tougher to, to manage that type

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Of thing? I think, um,

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I think there does come with,

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with its own being remote does have its own challenges.

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'cause I'm not interacting with people as much,

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so I'm not aware of everything else that might be going on,

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um, with their work world.

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Um, like for example, if I'm in the office

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and I'm able, I'm seeing

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that they're really stressed out over something,

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then I know, okay, I should kind of back off

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and give them some more time.

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Um, I think that's the hardest part about being remote.

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Um, just not being able to understand everything

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that's going on with that person.

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Um, but yeah. Other than that,

461
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I was gonna say on, on, on the plus side though,

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if you are remote, then like, people know,

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Hey, she's remote.

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She doesn't necessarily have all this

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extra context that Yeah,

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That's True. You would

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maybe be expected

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to know if you're in the office with me.

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Yeah. So please gimme Grace if you're watching this. Yeah.

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All right. Uh, so what's the part of the profession

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that makes it all feel worth

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it? Why do you stick around with this?

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Um, I really, I just really like working with,

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um, the people here.

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I think, um, we have a great set of employees, um,

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people who work really hard.

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I think this is the one place where I've, um, found people

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who really care about their job

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and who, um, just put in a lot of good thought

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and effort, creativity into, um, excellence.

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And I think that really motivates me

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to wanna give my best too.

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And, um, it's just more

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invigorating when other people care about their job

485
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because I've been in situations where it's kinda like, mm.

486
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Yeah. You know, it's kinda like those group projects in

487
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college where you're not really sure what to do

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with these people who are just

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relying on you to do all the work.

490
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Yeah. And it's like, okay, I don't wanna do it

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'cause you're not wanting to do this.

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Oh, so you were, you were the person within the group

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that was always depended on?

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Or were you the one that was like, I see all

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of you are trying to depend on me, so I'm not gonna Oh,

496
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I, yeah.

497
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I, I was the one depended on. Yeah. Okay.

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Before we get into your

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non-professional life, we gotta play a game.

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All right. The game is gonna be called Sin D or Saudi.

501
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It's, it works better in text. Okay.

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Uh, if you agree, if you agree with the statement,

503
00:21:58.665 --> 00:22:00.605
or if it's true, say Cindy Uhhuh.

504
00:22:00.625 --> 00:22:04.205
And if you disagree with it or it's untrue, say Saudi.

505
00:22:05.095 --> 00:22:08.005
Great. Um, I apologize in advance for, oh, wait, Nope.

506
00:22:08.005 --> 00:22:12.445
This one? Nope. Delete. All right.

507
00:22:12.445 --> 00:22:14.165
Cindy or Saudi? Cindy

508
00:22:14.165 --> 00:22:15.245
Or Saudi, you're,

509
00:22:15.245 --> 00:22:17.365
you're a, you like singing in the shower

510
00:22:18.545 --> 00:22:19.545
Saudi.

511
00:22:19.645 --> 00:22:22.295
Okay. So you're not, you're not gonna sing for us. No, no.

512
00:22:22.605 --> 00:22:24.495
There's like a karaoke set up out there.

513
00:22:25.415 --> 00:22:27.855
I don't think, um, anyone would wanna hear me sing.

514
00:22:28.195 --> 00:22:29.735
Oh, okay. Well, all right.

515
00:22:29.735 --> 00:22:32.175
Maybe we'll find some, something else for you to do. Yes.

516
00:22:32.515 --> 00:22:34.895
Uh, Cindy or so you've cheated at a board game,

517
00:22:36.765 --> 00:22:37.765
Huh? You

518
00:22:37.765 --> 00:22:40.545
know, I probably have to say Cindy,

519
00:22:40.545 --> 00:22:42.185
because I'm pretty sure I've cheated

520
00:22:42.445 --> 00:22:43.625
at some point in a board

521
00:22:43.625 --> 00:22:44.625
Game. Yeah. I was gonna say,

522
00:22:44.625 --> 00:22:45.305
I don't remember why.

523
00:22:45.465 --> 00:22:47.185
I feel like it doesn't necessarily need to be a,

524
00:22:48.185 --> 00:22:49.905
I think it's more of a philosophical thing rather

525
00:22:49.905 --> 00:22:51.225
than a specific time.

526
00:22:51.615 --> 00:22:54.465
Yeah. I think with board games, um, I think it's kind

527
00:22:54.465 --> 00:22:57.785
of okay to cheat because you're not, there's no like,

528
00:22:59.355 --> 00:23:01.925
real consequences to that game.

529
00:23:02.355 --> 00:23:03.365
It's just all for fun.

530
00:23:03.585 --> 00:23:05.885
And usually when I, I'm like a bad cheater,

531
00:23:05.945 --> 00:23:07.165
so people would know I'm cheating.

532
00:23:07.475 --> 00:23:09.865
Okay. Yeah. Um, and so

533
00:23:10.385 --> 00:23:11.385
I can go along with that. I think,

534
00:23:11.385 --> 00:23:13.185
yeah. I'm generally against lying,

535
00:23:13.285 --> 00:23:15.425
but I feel like yes, at some point the lie is

536
00:23:15.445 --> 00:23:17.425
so obviously fake that Yeah.

537
00:23:17.425 --> 00:23:19.185
It's on you. If you didn't understand

538
00:23:19.185 --> 00:23:20.585
that, I was clearly lying there. Yes,

539
00:23:21.105 --> 00:23:22.785
I agree with that. Okay. Yeah,

540
00:23:23.465 --> 00:23:24.465
I can understand that.

541
00:23:24.695 --> 00:23:26.915
But no, uh, board games are serious business

542
00:23:27.135 --> 00:23:30.475
and, uh, I will not tolerate any of these, uh, any

543
00:23:30.475 --> 00:23:32.195
of this cheating, uh, Cindy

544
00:23:32.215 --> 00:23:34.555
or Saudi, you've told an outrageous lie to a child.

545
00:23:36.175 --> 00:23:38.825
Oh, You have kids?

546
00:23:39.245 --> 00:23:42.345
Yes, Cindy? Yeah, I, I probably did.

547
00:23:42.585 --> 00:23:44.105
I don't, I can't recall any. And I

548
00:23:44.365 --> 00:23:46.085
Oh, well that, that's follow up been

549
00:23:46.165 --> 00:23:47.165
Interest I know. Is

550
00:23:47.165 --> 00:23:48.445
what's your best lie? What, what did it, yeah.

551
00:23:48.445 --> 00:23:49.485
What is my best lie?

552
00:23:50.855 --> 00:23:52.865
Okay. Well, if you think of one, you know, we'll,

553
00:23:52.875 --> 00:23:54.065
we'll try to edit it back in.

554
00:23:54.245 --> 00:23:56.705
But I, I do like hearing other people's stories.

555
00:23:56.985 --> 00:23:58.985
'cause often it helps and we share 'em. Yeah.

556
00:23:59.045 --> 00:24:00.585
And then other parents are like, Ooh, that one's good.

557
00:24:00.625 --> 00:24:01.705
I like that one. Keep it.

558
00:24:02.765 --> 00:24:04.745
Uh, Cindy or Santi your favorite,

559
00:24:05.255 --> 00:24:08.505
your favorite fast food fries are from McDonald's,

560
00:24:08.875 --> 00:24:09.875
Cindy. Yes,

561
00:24:09.875 --> 00:24:11.425
it is. I think, um,

562
00:24:11.865 --> 00:24:15.865
McDonald's did a really good job in, in, um, marketing to me

563
00:24:15.925 --> 00:24:19.865
as a child, as they did to many other children in America

564
00:24:20.165 --> 00:24:21.225
and now in the world.

565
00:24:21.975 --> 00:24:25.785
Yeah. Um, even though I know it's not the most crisp

566
00:24:26.435 --> 00:24:31.025
fries, but I do like the soggy ness of it.

567
00:24:31.285 --> 00:24:33.945
And there's just something about the particular

568
00:24:34.585 --> 00:24:36.465
McDonald's fries that I really enjoy.

569
00:24:37.085 --> 00:24:38.905
All right. I, I can understand that.

570
00:24:39.745 --> 00:24:42.305
I don't think that I usually get soggy fries for McDonald's,

571
00:24:42.305 --> 00:24:44.145
so maybe that's a, your McDonald's type

572
00:24:44.145 --> 00:24:45.145
Issue. But yeah, maybe my McDonald's,

573
00:24:45.145 --> 00:24:46.425
it does get kind

574
00:24:46.425 --> 00:24:47.825
of soggy after a little bit.

575
00:24:47.935 --> 00:24:49.345
Yeah. If, if you leave it in there for

576
00:24:49.345 --> 00:24:50.905
A while, it's a t it's not like BK fries.

577
00:24:51.205 --> 00:24:52.745
Mm. See I haven't gone to BK

578
00:24:52.745 --> 00:24:54.185
for a, a long, long time because

579
00:24:54.215 --> 00:24:55.215
Yeah. I don't really go to bk,

580
00:24:55.215 --> 00:24:55.945
but

581
00:24:56.345 --> 00:24:58.385
I had a bad experience with them as a, as a kid.

582
00:24:58.925 --> 00:25:00.785
And I've since realized that it's,

583
00:25:01.025 --> 00:25:03.865
I think I actually just was super dehydrated.

584
00:25:04.245 --> 00:25:06.785
Oh. So it wasn't actually them that caused

585
00:25:07.015 --> 00:25:08.145
what I thought was my sickness.

586
00:25:08.685 --> 00:25:09.945
Ah. But it's actually probably

587
00:25:10.105 --> 00:25:11.665
'cause I had played tennis

588
00:25:11.805 --> 00:25:14.345
for a few hours in some a hundred degree heat,

589
00:25:14.365 --> 00:25:17.625
and only had two giant sodas as hydration.

590
00:25:17.905 --> 00:25:19.425
Oh, No. That's terrible. I was a, I was a teenager,

591
00:25:19.485 --> 00:25:21.265
so I was like, ah, I can do whatever,

592
00:25:21.645 --> 00:25:23.145
but, uh, maybe I couldn't do whatever.

593
00:25:23.295 --> 00:25:25.545
Yeah. It's funny how like, that one bad experience,

594
00:25:25.545 --> 00:25:27.265
even though it's not directly connected.

595
00:25:27.455 --> 00:25:29.465
Yeah. I associated it with that for years.

596
00:25:29.645 --> 00:25:31.785
And then eventually I realized, oh, wait,

597
00:25:31.855 --> 00:25:33.185
dehydration makes you throw up.

598
00:25:34.085 --> 00:25:37.745
Oh, that's probably what had happened.

599
00:25:37.985 --> 00:25:40.505
'cause yeah, it was not pleasant. All right.

600
00:25:40.505 --> 00:25:43.105
Cindy or Saudi, you have an embarrassing nickname

601
00:25:43.105 --> 00:25:44.145
or a nickname that you hate

602
00:25:45.635 --> 00:25:46.635
Saudi? I don't

603
00:25:46.635 --> 00:25:49.265
have one. I think people have not been able to

604
00:25:49.935 --> 00:25:52.585
come up with a embarrassing nickname for me.

605
00:25:53.015 --> 00:25:55.665
Okay. So that's our new goal is to come up

606
00:25:55.665 --> 00:25:57.225
with embarrassing nickname that you hate.

607
00:25:58.055 --> 00:25:59.625
Okay. All right.

608
00:25:59.625 --> 00:26:01.785
Well, let's get to your, uh,

609
00:26:02.315 --> 00:26:04.465
about you type questions after this break.

610
00:26:04.575 --> 00:26:05.575
Yeah.

611
00:26:08.245 --> 00:26:12.585
It takes something special to dive into the unknown,

612
00:26:15.325 --> 00:26:16.825
to face the unpredictable

613
00:26:18.885 --> 00:26:21.345
and unlock the mysteries that awake beyond

614
00:26:24.335 --> 00:26:29.225
something tough, reliable

615
00:26:33.765 --> 00:26:37.185
to fuel your confidence where elements seem to conspire

616
00:26:37.245 --> 00:26:38.585
to blur your senses.

617
00:26:44.065 --> 00:26:45.485
An unwavering ally,

618
00:26:50.005 --> 00:26:52.765
relentlessly field tested by the pioneers

619
00:26:52.825 --> 00:26:54.165
who ventured there before

620
00:26:57.825 --> 00:27:00.285
It Was constantly perfected over time.

621
00:27:01.905 --> 00:27:04.245
For those who push their limits always further

622
00:27:05.545 --> 00:27:08.085
and shine an avenue light on our world,

623
00:27:15.145 --> 00:27:16.365
the point of rental.

624
00:27:16.665 --> 00:27:17.665
Go.

625
00:27:37.345 --> 00:27:40.205
All right, Cindy, this spring you went to Honduras. Yes.

626
00:27:40.465 --> 00:27:41.645
And you apparently didn't go there

627
00:27:41.645 --> 00:27:43.005
as a vacation. So what were you doing?

628
00:27:43.585 --> 00:27:46.165
So I went, um, with, um,

629
00:27:47.315 --> 00:27:49.095
an organization called Filter of Hope.

630
00:27:49.115 --> 00:27:53.095
And we went to provide clean water to, um,

631
00:27:53.535 --> 00:27:55.775
families in, um, a little town off

632
00:27:55.775 --> 00:27:58.575
of a big city in, in Honduras.

633
00:27:58.575 --> 00:28:00.215
So, Mm-Hmm. We would go house to house,

634
00:28:00.755 --> 00:28:03.975
and this never happens here, but you would just go Buena.

635
00:28:04.595 --> 00:28:07.495
And, um, they would let you come in

636
00:28:07.495 --> 00:28:09.615
and we would sit there for like an hour

637
00:28:09.615 --> 00:28:12.855
and a half sometimes just getting to know the family, um,

638
00:28:14.755 --> 00:28:17.375
put installing the filter, teaching them how to use it.

639
00:28:17.395 --> 00:28:20.975
And of course, because I went with a, um, that organization,

640
00:28:20.975 --> 00:28:23.175
which is Faith-based, we also, um,

641
00:28:23.355 --> 00:28:24.615
shared the gospel with them.

642
00:28:24.835 --> 00:28:29.215
And so that was what we did for three days straight, um,

643
00:28:29.245 --> 00:28:31.255
morning and afternoon with a lunch break in

644
00:28:31.255 --> 00:28:34.535
between just going to these homes to install these filters.

645
00:28:34.955 --> 00:28:36.495
All right. Well, I'm glad it was like a filter

646
00:28:36.555 --> 00:28:37.815
and you didn't just bring like a bottle

647
00:28:37.815 --> 00:28:39.095
of water, like, here you go.

648
00:28:39.165 --> 00:28:41.455
Yeah. Yeah. It was really impactful.

649
00:28:41.735 --> 00:28:46.095
I mean, like that, um, I think just to see, um,

650
00:28:46.875 --> 00:28:49.095
the living conditions of the people of Honduras,

651
00:28:49.475 --> 00:28:50.575
um, they're very poor.

652
00:28:51.155 --> 00:28:54.855
Um, the, their source of water is like river water,

653
00:28:54.875 --> 00:28:56.255
and sometimes they're lied to

654
00:28:56.315 --> 00:28:58.415
and they think that it's cleaner water,

655
00:28:58.875 --> 00:29:00.215
and they have to clean

656
00:29:00.215 --> 00:29:02.175
that water in all these different ways,

657
00:29:02.315 --> 00:29:04.095
but it's still inadequate.

658
00:29:04.325 --> 00:29:06.135
Yeah. And so, um, we come

659
00:29:06.155 --> 00:29:09.375
and in order to demonstrate how good the filter is,

660
00:29:09.555 --> 00:29:13.775
we actually dirty the water with dirt from just outside.

661
00:29:14.475 --> 00:29:15.935
And it's a leap of faith for me.

662
00:29:15.935 --> 00:29:17.255
It's like, each time it's like, all right,

663
00:29:17.395 --> 00:29:20.215
so I've installed this and let me show you how it works,

664
00:29:20.435 --> 00:29:22.895
and I'll be the first to drink this water

665
00:29:24.155 --> 00:29:27.175
and to demonstrate that it's, it's good.

666
00:29:27.205 --> 00:29:28.215
It's not gonna make me sick.

667
00:29:28.315 --> 00:29:30.775
And usually that kind of sells it to them

668
00:29:30.775 --> 00:29:34.095
because they think that Americans have weaker stomachs than

669
00:29:34.095 --> 00:29:35.735
they do, which I think Yes.

670
00:29:35.755 --> 00:29:38.655
Is true. And, um, they're like, okay. Yeah.

671
00:29:38.675 --> 00:29:40.815
If you think it's clean, if it's clean for you,

672
00:29:40.845 --> 00:29:42.005
then it's clean for me.

673
00:29:42.945 --> 00:29:45.045
All right. Well, I was gonna say, I think it's more of a,

674
00:29:45.115 --> 00:29:48.435
like when you get accustomed to the local type

675
00:29:48.435 --> 00:29:49.555
of water thing Yeah.

676
00:29:49.555 --> 00:29:51.435
Rather than necessarily an Americans thing.

677
00:29:51.435 --> 00:29:53.835
But, uh, I'm okay with leaning into the stereotype.

678
00:29:53.855 --> 00:29:55.075
You know what, if you wanna provide me

679
00:29:55.075 --> 00:29:56.315
extra clean water Yeah.

680
00:29:56.715 --> 00:30:01.235
Overseas I am. I'm great with that. Yeah. Um, okay.

681
00:30:01.235 --> 00:30:02.635
Another thing that we talked about

682
00:30:02.785 --> 00:30:04.595
that you are into is coaching.

683
00:30:04.625 --> 00:30:08.035
Yeah. So I'm assuming that, well, I,

684
00:30:08.115 --> 00:30:09.835
I don't want be judgy about this.

685
00:30:09.835 --> 00:30:12.555
Yeah. Is it sports or like regular, regular,

686
00:30:12.555 --> 00:30:13.915
more career type coaching? Yeah,

687
00:30:14.065 --> 00:30:15.555
Regular career type coaching.

688
00:30:16.155 --> 00:30:19.755
I do not intend to be a coach, um, in my career.

689
00:30:20.055 --> 00:30:23.515
Um, but it's mainly because of the role that I have

690
00:30:23.515 --> 00:30:25.955
with a lot of, um, people at my church is

691
00:30:25.955 --> 00:30:27.755
as a older person mentoring them

692
00:30:27.935 --> 00:30:31.515
and needing to, um, learn this skill in order to better

693
00:30:32.065 --> 00:30:35.715
have conversations with people, um, just to help guide them

694
00:30:35.715 --> 00:30:38.035
through different decisions that they come to me with.

695
00:30:38.305 --> 00:30:41.635
Because, um, my default is to problem solve.

696
00:30:41.665 --> 00:30:43.235
Like, I wanna give you the solution,

697
00:30:43.375 --> 00:30:45.715
but I don't wanna do that all the time.

698
00:30:46.075 --> 00:30:47.675
I don't think it's necessarily good

699
00:30:47.735 --> 00:30:49.875
to provide people with the solution.

700
00:30:49.975 --> 00:30:52.715
And so in the coaching model, you actually assume

701
00:30:52.715 --> 00:30:56.435
that the person being coached is the expert

702
00:30:56.815 --> 00:30:59.955
and you would lead with certain questions for them

703
00:30:59.975 --> 00:31:04.475
to arrive at a decision that they want to make. Yeah.

704
00:31:05.205 --> 00:31:07.095
Okay. I like that. So what, like,

705
00:31:07.095 --> 00:31:08.255
how did you get started in this?

706
00:31:08.255 --> 00:31:10.415
Is this something that you realized?

707
00:31:10.555 --> 00:31:12.455
Is this something that someone like, reached out

708
00:31:12.455 --> 00:31:14.175
to you in words like, you know, you'd be good for this?

709
00:31:14.685 --> 00:31:16.415
Yeah. This is something that, um,

710
00:31:16.685 --> 00:31:18.855
some people at my church, they, um,

711
00:31:19.805 --> 00:31:20.975
they found very beneficial

712
00:31:21.315 --> 00:31:24.015
and then they, um, made the ask

713
00:31:24.035 --> 00:31:26.175
to other people if they would wanna do it too.

714
00:31:26.275 --> 00:31:29.295
And so I said, yeah, sure, give it a I'll give it a shot.

715
00:31:29.515 --> 00:31:33.175
And I was surprised by, um, just what I learned.

716
00:31:33.395 --> 00:31:35.535
And in going through some of these sessions

717
00:31:35.555 --> 00:31:40.095
and watching sample coaching sessions, I was amazed at what,

718
00:31:40.235 --> 00:31:41.895
um, those sessions could do.

719
00:31:42.195 --> 00:31:46.755
It often went deeper than just solving the initial, um,

720
00:31:46.755 --> 00:31:48.355
problem that the person brought.

721
00:31:48.655 --> 00:31:52.395
And it really got deep and people were in tears sometimes.

722
00:31:52.615 --> 00:31:57.395
And it, I just saw the power of questions, the power of, um,

723
00:31:57.395 --> 00:31:59.635
leading someone to make their own decisions.

724
00:32:00.765 --> 00:32:03.215
Okay. So you wanted to make people cry? Is

725
00:32:03.695 --> 00:32:05.255
Yeah, I I wanna make people cry.

726
00:32:05.475 --> 00:32:08.335
Yes. Okay. I, I hate telling people what to do.

727
00:32:08.495 --> 00:32:12.375
I think that's one, one thing I, I don't want to be, um,

728
00:32:13.035 --> 00:32:16.535
if people, people often come to me with different questions

729
00:32:16.595 --> 00:32:18.215
or needing advice,

730
00:32:18.395 --> 00:32:21.495
and I don't want, I feel responsible if I tell them

731
00:32:21.555 --> 00:32:22.815
to go one way or another.

732
00:32:22.925 --> 00:32:24.935
Yeah. And if it's really something that they should,

733
00:32:25.615 --> 00:32:27.655
a decision they should make because they're an adult,

734
00:32:28.165 --> 00:32:30.415
they should be able to make their own decision,

735
00:32:30.595 --> 00:32:32.855
and I don't want to influence them,

736
00:32:33.245 --> 00:32:35.575
then I should empower them to make their own decisions.

737
00:32:35.885 --> 00:32:38.335
Okay. I'm, yeah. I'm picturing this working out as,

738
00:32:39.605 --> 00:32:41.365
I don't think it would work well for the, like,

739
00:32:41.545 --> 00:32:43.325
due dates in, in project management.

740
00:32:43.565 --> 00:32:47.605
No, not that. And that is something I would, yeah.

741
00:32:48.425 --> 00:32:50.445
But yeah, now, now that I think about it, it's like, hey,

742
00:32:50.445 --> 00:32:53.885
you do kind of generally ask like what the priority

743
00:32:54.545 --> 00:32:58.085
is on this, instead of necessarily saying like, Hey,

744
00:32:58.085 --> 00:32:59.445
this needs to get done now.

745
00:32:59.445 --> 00:33:00.645
Yeah. It's like more, it's like,

746
00:33:00.645 --> 00:33:02.405
is is this still a priority type thing?

747
00:33:02.545 --> 00:33:05.565
Yes. Okay. So, Hmm.

748
00:33:07.435 --> 00:33:09.725
All right. What, what, so you mentioned

749
00:33:09.725 --> 00:33:11.645
that you're still doing it within your church

750
00:33:11.645 --> 00:33:13.165
and with mostly younger people.

751
00:33:13.505 --> 00:33:15.205
Is is this something that you're still doing

752
00:33:15.225 --> 00:33:19.125
or are you like exploring it more beyond that?

753
00:33:19.145 --> 00:33:22.005
Or is this just like a side thing that you do?

754
00:33:22.145 --> 00:33:24.445
Um, I'm, I'm still doing it. I'm almost done.

755
00:33:24.515 --> 00:33:28.005
It's just, um, I'm getting a certificate

756
00:33:28.135 --> 00:33:32.825
after, I guess like in a few weeks I'll be done with my,

757
00:33:33.025 --> 00:33:36.785
I, um, with this portion of, of coaching,

758
00:33:36.905 --> 00:33:38.745
there's like different levels of coaching.

759
00:33:39.565 --> 00:33:41.785
Uh, do, do they give you like belts or what, what's the,

760
00:33:42.005 --> 00:33:44.545
Um, they, they have different levels of,

761
00:33:44.845 --> 00:33:45.905
uh, certification.

762
00:33:47.055 --> 00:33:49.705
This is terrible. I don't even know what, what it's called.

763
00:33:49.805 --> 00:33:51.345
The, the first level that I'm hitting.

764
00:33:51.705 --> 00:33:52.585
I was gonna say, once you have that

765
00:33:52.585 --> 00:33:54.265
first certificate, then you'll know. Yeah.

766
00:33:54.575 --> 00:33:56.265
Then, then I'd be certified coach.

767
00:33:56.295 --> 00:33:59.025
Like in this process, I can't even say I'm a coach

768
00:33:59.025 --> 00:34:00.585
because I'm not certified yet.

769
00:34:00.645 --> 00:34:02.985
But once that certification comes in,

770
00:34:03.185 --> 00:34:06.625
I could say I'm like a certain level of, of, of a coach.

771
00:34:07.775 --> 00:34:11.815
Interesting. Yeah. So what's, what goes into the,

772
00:34:12.435 --> 00:34:14.575
the coach training process?

773
00:34:14.805 --> 00:34:19.135
Like Yeah. Are you required to go through particular classes

774
00:34:19.475 --> 00:34:22.215
or do you listen to podcasts, read books?

775
00:34:22.765 --> 00:34:24.375
Yeah. It was, it's kind of like a mixture.

776
00:34:24.555 --> 00:34:26.455
Um, I did do an in-person training.

777
00:34:26.875 --> 00:34:29.015
Um, I did do like, like four hours

778
00:34:29.035 --> 00:34:33.055
of like video training prior to that session. And then,

779
00:34:33.055 --> 00:34:34.935
Oh, wait, you're, so are you coaching people in these

780
00:34:35.055 --> 00:34:37.135
trainings and they judge you or are you being

781
00:34:37.135 --> 00:34:38.135
Coached? So, yeah. So

782
00:34:38.135 --> 00:34:39.615
that, that was the first part.

783
00:34:39.675 --> 00:34:42.615
And then the, what I'm doing currently now is I'm in a small

784
00:34:42.615 --> 00:34:45.775
cohort where, um, each time we get together, um,

785
00:34:46.155 --> 00:34:47.255
we would coach each other

786
00:34:47.915 --> 00:34:49.495
and other people would give feedback

787
00:34:49.555 --> 00:34:50.695
on the coaching session.

788
00:34:51.635 --> 00:34:53.095
And so we would learn through that.

789
00:34:53.315 --> 00:34:57.215
And then, um, I also have one-on-ones with a coach,

790
00:34:58.785 --> 00:35:01.715
with another coach who's coaching me, um, through this.

791
00:35:02.015 --> 00:35:05.915
And, um, I would have to come with like a video recording

792
00:35:05.915 --> 00:35:08.635
of me coaching someone else who gave me permission

793
00:35:08.655 --> 00:35:10.035
to coach them and record them.

794
00:35:10.695 --> 00:35:12.275
And I would receive feedback on that.

795
00:35:12.415 --> 00:35:14.035
And then we would learn, um,

796
00:35:14.305 --> 00:35:16.235
different principles of coaching.

797
00:35:16.495 --> 00:35:20.915
And, um, there's like a rubric that would rate that,

798
00:35:20.935 --> 00:35:23.315
you know, she would go through to kind of say, yeah,

799
00:35:23.315 --> 00:35:25.035
this is the feedback form.

800
00:35:25.225 --> 00:35:27.395
This is how you did, and this is how you can improve.

801
00:35:27.615 --> 00:35:30.555
So it's a little bit nerve wracking at first,

802
00:35:30.615 --> 00:35:34.435
but it's all very good training.

803
00:35:34.825 --> 00:35:36.755
Yeah. I was gonna say, it feels all very meta

804
00:35:36.775 --> 00:35:38.885
of like getting coached in coaching.

805
00:35:39.225 --> 00:35:40.225
Yes.

806
00:35:41.195 --> 00:35:44.005
Yeah. I learned that I'm not as good

807
00:35:44.145 --> 00:35:45.805
as a listener as I thought I was.

808
00:35:46.715 --> 00:35:49.805
Yeah. I think that it's something that everyone

809
00:35:50.395 --> 00:35:51.965
kind of realizes at some point. Yeah.

810
00:35:52.955 --> 00:35:56.725
Yeah. I just, it's just amazing, like the levels

811
00:35:56.825 --> 00:36:00.745
of listening that people can go, go to.

812
00:36:00.935 --> 00:36:02.665
Like, yeah.

813
00:36:03.665 --> 00:36:08.055
I was just in watching other people get coached

814
00:36:08.355 --> 00:36:11.695
and seeing the, um, the very seasoned coach, coach,

815
00:36:12.835 --> 00:36:14.695
she just was able to pick up so much more.

816
00:36:14.995 --> 00:36:17.455
And I always just left to floor, like, wow.

817
00:36:17.605 --> 00:36:19.175
Like, I wouldn't have caught that.

818
00:36:20.455 --> 00:36:22.195
It was just pretty cool. I can, I can see it being kind

819
00:36:22.195 --> 00:36:23.955
of like an art form, and you're like, yeah.

820
00:36:24.465 --> 00:36:26.995
Whoa. That's another, that's a whole nother level. Yeah.

821
00:36:27.135 --> 00:36:30.075
All right. I wanna, I wanna do some, some coaching chat

822
00:36:30.075 --> 00:36:31.635
with you at some other time, but we don't,

823
00:36:31.635 --> 00:36:32.995
we don't need to spend the whole time talking about.

824
00:36:33.235 --> 00:36:37.355
Yeah. Uh, you mentioned earlier that you wanted

825
00:36:37.355 --> 00:36:38.875
to run a half marathon this

826
00:36:38.875 --> 00:36:39.875
Year. Yes, I do.

827
00:36:39.875 --> 00:36:40.635
I

828
00:36:40.655 --> 00:36:41.655
Do. How, how's

829
00:36:41.655 --> 00:36:42.875
training for that going?

830
00:36:43.055 --> 00:36:44.395
Oh, I'm glad you asked,

831
00:36:44.395 --> 00:36:47.155
because this is where I'm going to recommit

832
00:36:47.295 --> 00:36:48.715
to, um, my training.

833
00:36:49.425 --> 00:36:50.675
Well, what do you mean recommit?

834
00:36:50.675 --> 00:36:52.115
Like how long has it been?

835
00:36:53.185 --> 00:36:55.955
It's been a long time. The last time I did, um,

836
00:36:56.475 --> 00:36:58.235
a half marathon was in 2019.

837
00:36:58.335 --> 00:37:00.555
So you do the math. It's been a while.

838
00:37:00.555 --> 00:37:01.395
That means I've done a

839
00:37:01.395 --> 00:37:02.915
half marathon more recently than you.

840
00:37:03.135 --> 00:37:05.395
Yes. And I've realized I don't wanna do that again. So,

841
00:37:05.535 --> 00:37:09.035
Oh, I, I want to, I, I bought like a treadmill too,

842
00:37:09.035 --> 00:37:12.555
because now in Maryland, the weather is Yeah.

843
00:37:12.705 --> 00:37:15.395
Yeah. It's just not good for, for running. Consist

844
00:37:15.395 --> 00:37:16.715
It, it's not that California weather

845
00:37:16.715 --> 00:37:17.755
Consist No, it's not.

846
00:37:18.115 --> 00:37:20.515
I, I miss my old running route in California.

847
00:37:21.215 --> 00:37:23.675
It was, um, we were in a drought back then too, so

848
00:37:24.475 --> 00:37:27.235
I was able to get in running pretty consistently,

849
00:37:27.535 --> 00:37:30.675
but now I need to get back into it.

850
00:37:30.775 --> 00:37:34.275
So I'm gonna start after I get back from this trip.

851
00:37:35.255 --> 00:37:38.315
All right. Well, good luck to you. Thank you. Um,

852
00:37:38.335 --> 00:37:39.335
Are you gonna do it too?

853
00:37:39.755 --> 00:37:41.275
I don't know. Maybe, maybe I will,

854
00:37:41.445 --> 00:37:43.475
maybe I'll say you've inspired me

855
00:37:43.615 --> 00:37:45.195
and I am starting to get back into running.

856
00:37:45.575 --> 00:37:48.635
Um, my half marathon was like during Covid,

857
00:37:48.855 --> 00:37:50.075
so it was a remote one.

858
00:37:50.375 --> 00:37:52.915
So I ran my entire thing around a track. Oh.

859
00:37:53.175 --> 00:37:54.755
So it was 53 laps

860
00:37:55.415 --> 00:37:57.675
and it was like, wow, that sense. This is very boring.

861
00:37:58.575 --> 00:38:00.075
I'm impressed you did the whole thing.

862
00:38:00.425 --> 00:38:03.715
Well, it was like, I, I sort, I'd sort of trained for it

863
00:38:03.715 --> 00:38:04.875
and I'd been running all this thing

864
00:38:04.875 --> 00:38:07.275
and it was like, I promised, and then, yeah.

865
00:38:07.375 --> 00:38:09.955
It was one of those things where it's like, all right,

866
00:38:10.355 --> 00:38:14.475
I ran 53 laps with no one watching.

867
00:38:14.735 --> 00:38:16.715
Wow. And with random people just stopping by

868
00:38:16.715 --> 00:38:18.235
and running on the track for a little bit

869
00:38:18.235 --> 00:38:19.475
of it as well, because

870
00:38:19.475 --> 00:38:21.635
Part of my motivation is running with everyone else.

871
00:38:22.105 --> 00:38:23.115
Yeah. It, it felt like it

872
00:38:23.115 --> 00:38:24.235
would've been a little more fun Yeah.

873
00:38:24.345 --> 00:38:27.515
With other people. But I mean, hey, I had my,

874
00:38:27.795 --> 00:38:30.595
I had my headphones, I had some Oh, nice.

875
00:38:30.625 --> 00:38:32.075
Nice tunes. So it worked.

876
00:38:32.655 --> 00:38:34.875
All right. Well, you can follow up with me, which, um,

877
00:38:34.925 --> 00:38:36.405
half marathon I signed up for.

878
00:38:36.745 --> 00:38:38.005
All right. Well, we'll check in

879
00:38:38.005 --> 00:38:40.845
and we'll do, uh, uh, coaching sessions about Yeah.

880
00:38:41.205 --> 00:38:42.605
About preparing for the half marathon.

881
00:38:42.675 --> 00:38:44.005
Yeah. All right.

882
00:38:44.025 --> 00:38:46.045
Uh, what's something that people misunderstand about you?

883
00:38:46.985 --> 00:38:50.065
Oh, I think, um, I would have

884
00:38:50.065 --> 00:38:52.065
to say I interact a lot with my husband.

885
00:38:52.285 --> 00:38:53.425
So, uh, my tone.

886
00:38:54.145 --> 00:38:57.145
I, I don't know, I guess for all the people out there

887
00:38:57.145 --> 00:39:00.065
with relationships, maybe this is the thing where

888
00:39:00.665 --> 00:39:02.265
I would say something in a certain tone

889
00:39:02.525 --> 00:39:06.225
and he would, um, misunderstand me as a,

890
00:39:06.885 --> 00:39:10.345
not respecting him or something, or being sassy.

891
00:39:10.525 --> 00:39:13.785
But on my end, I'm just responding.

892
00:39:13.845 --> 00:39:16.885
I'm trying to be helpful or I'm, I didn't mean anything.

893
00:39:17.025 --> 00:39:18.045
Mm-Hmm. By that tone.

894
00:39:19.025 --> 00:39:21.365
See now I didn't think about your tone before that,

895
00:39:21.425 --> 00:39:23.085
and until you said I didn't

896
00:39:23.085 --> 00:39:24.125
mean anything, then it's like Mm.

897
00:39:24.195 --> 00:39:25.365
Kind of has a little sa to it.

898
00:39:25.835 --> 00:39:27.245
Yeah. Yeah.

899
00:39:28.065 --> 00:39:30.765
And even when I'm trying to be mindful of my tone, I'm not,

900
00:39:31.025 --> 00:39:35.845
I'm unable to produce the perfect tone

901
00:39:36.225 --> 00:39:40.485
by which to respond to a certain question or whatever it is.

902
00:39:40.955 --> 00:39:43.005
Okay. Well, maybe, maybe you can just claim

903
00:39:43.005 --> 00:39:45.925
that you have like, the inability to control your tone

904
00:39:46.265 --> 00:39:50.125
and really like, should be mindful of the fact

905
00:39:50.125 --> 00:39:52.165
that you don't have the ability to control this.

906
00:39:52.385 --> 00:39:55.125
Yes. Um, do you have any questions for me?

907
00:39:55.445 --> 00:39:58.005
I get to ask a lot of you, but you can only ask one.

908
00:39:58.265 --> 00:39:59.765
Oh, I can only ask one. Yep.

909
00:40:00.315 --> 00:40:01.965
Gosh, I was kind of thinking about this

910
00:40:02.185 --> 00:40:06.925
and me, IM curious, what was your,

911
00:40:07.755 --> 00:40:10.525
what, um, what was your career path leading up

912
00:40:10.525 --> 00:40:11.565
to where you are now?

913
00:40:12.785 --> 00:40:16.365
So I've done marketing for, I, it's a long career path.

914
00:40:16.525 --> 00:40:20.205
I started in the military, learned basically, that was kind

915
00:40:20.205 --> 00:40:22.525
of when I kind of figured out, Hey,

916
00:40:22.605 --> 00:40:23.805
I should actually go back to school and,

917
00:40:23.805 --> 00:40:25.565
and try, uh, this time.

918
00:40:26.345 --> 00:40:30.925
And so then I got my degree, um, got in journalism,

919
00:40:30.985 --> 00:40:32.685
but knew that I was gonna go into marketing

920
00:40:33.325 --> 00:40:34.565
whenever I just wanted to write.

921
00:40:34.945 --> 00:40:36.885
And, you know, bounced around a lot of places.

922
00:40:37.035 --> 00:40:40.645
Went worked in sports, worked in higher ed, worked in,

923
00:40:42.635 --> 00:40:43.755
actually, those are pretty much the main

924
00:40:43.755 --> 00:40:44.795
two since I've graduated.

925
00:40:45.375 --> 00:40:48.315
And yeah. Then came down here to point of rental

926
00:40:48.455 --> 00:40:51.195
and have stuck around for almost eight years now.

927
00:40:51.505 --> 00:40:53.155
Nice. Yep.

928
00:40:53.935 --> 00:40:57.995
And then if we wanna discuss myself in, in further detail,

929
00:40:57.995 --> 00:41:00.315
we'll, we'll wait and we'll talk about that, not on camera.

930
00:41:01.745 --> 00:41:04.675
Okay. Before we go to the five important questions, I, oh,

931
00:41:04.715 --> 00:41:06.875
I definitely popped the microphone on that one.

932
00:41:07.015 --> 00:41:09.195
Before we get into the five important questions, I need you

933
00:41:09.195 --> 00:41:10.715
to give me a top five list in a segment

934
00:41:10.765 --> 00:41:11.835
we'll call gimme five.

935
00:41:17.215 --> 00:41:19.195
Um, it seems like not everyone knows the rules

936
00:41:19.195 --> 00:41:20.835
of a top five list, so I'm gonna clarify with you.

937
00:41:20.835 --> 00:41:23.235
Mm-Hmm. You do start at number five and go up to number one.

938
00:41:23.345 --> 00:41:25.995
Okay. 'cause if you tell everyone you're number one first,

939
00:41:26.145 --> 00:41:28.315
then why would you listen to the rest of the list?

940
00:41:28.855 --> 00:41:31.275
So, first of all, what's your top five list gonna be about?

941
00:41:33.135 --> 00:41:36.535
Oh, um, We, we, we can have some choices.

942
00:41:36.675 --> 00:41:39.095
So I, yeah, I, I made up some potential ones for you. Sure.

943
00:41:39.225 --> 00:41:42.135
Which is like, you know, your top five church trips,

944
00:41:42.835 --> 00:41:45.455
top five things you can do to help your project manager,

945
00:41:46.295 --> 00:41:48.515
top five favorite plants, because I didn't mention anything.

946
00:41:48.515 --> 00:41:49.595
Oh, yeah. The plants that you like plants.

947
00:41:49.835 --> 00:41:51.435
I, I said that you would have to intro that with.

948
00:41:51.545 --> 00:41:53.155
Another thing I didn't mention earlier

949
00:41:53.255 --> 00:41:54.275
is that I really like plants.

950
00:41:54.775 --> 00:41:56.755
Ah, well, yeah. How about my trips?

951
00:41:56.915 --> 00:41:58.995
I think maybe those are the more interesting

952
00:41:59.025 --> 00:42:00.025
Ones. Okay. So

953
00:42:00.025 --> 00:42:02.995
your top five trips that you've, that you've taken.

954
00:42:03.575 --> 00:42:04.875
All right. Let's start with number five.

955
00:42:05.255 --> 00:42:07.795
So I hope you haven't prioritized. Alright.

956
00:42:07.945 --> 00:42:10.555
Your fifth best church trip that you've gone.

957
00:42:10.585 --> 00:42:15.385
Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So that was, um, to Taiwan.

958
00:42:16.335 --> 00:42:17.985
Okay. What was, what was that?

959
00:42:18.045 --> 00:42:22.305
Um, uh, so I also moved there like for a year

960
00:42:22.605 --> 00:42:24.225
before. And, um, wait,

961
00:42:24.225 --> 00:42:25.225
When, when was this?

962
00:42:25.445 --> 00:42:26.985
Oh, this was in, this is the

963
00:42:26.985 --> 00:42:28.065
whole timeline thing that we, oh,

964
00:42:28.065 --> 00:42:29.145
I know. We messed up the timeline. I

965
00:42:29.145 --> 00:42:30.145
Know. I'm sorry. This

966
00:42:30.145 --> 00:42:34.225
was in for one year from 2009 to 2010.

967
00:42:34.655 --> 00:42:37.945
Okay. Yeah. And so, um, I just remember I was,

968
00:42:38.345 --> 00:42:39.385
I look like everyone there,

969
00:42:39.485 --> 00:42:42.985
but I don't speak a lick of Chinese and I'm deaf

970
00:42:42.985 --> 00:42:45.025
and mute in a country where people look like me.

971
00:42:45.165 --> 00:42:47.185
And it's really disconcerting to people there.

972
00:42:47.985 --> 00:42:49.305
I was gonna say, that does seem challenging.

973
00:42:49.815 --> 00:42:52.825
Yeah. And so, um, people drive

974
00:42:53.685 --> 00:42:54.905
in very, yeah.

975
00:42:55.375 --> 00:42:57.625
There's no rules of traffic there.

976
00:42:58.525 --> 00:43:00.065
And so I was terrified of driving.

977
00:43:00.125 --> 00:43:02.745
And so it took me three months to get the courage to drive.

978
00:43:03.775 --> 00:43:04.995
Um, yeah,

979
00:43:07.175 --> 00:43:08.175
It's interesting. So have

980
00:43:08.175 --> 00:43:09.025
you only been on five trucks?

981
00:43:09.225 --> 00:43:10.745
'cause right now it sounds like that should

982
00:43:10.745 --> 00:43:11.785
not even be on the list.

983
00:43:12.045 --> 00:43:14.385
Oh. But if it's your number five, then it's like, okay.

984
00:43:14.385 --> 00:43:15.825
Well, I, I can see why there would

985
00:43:15.825 --> 00:43:16.865
be at least four better than that

986
00:43:17.405 --> 00:43:18.405
If, yeah.

987
00:43:18.565 --> 00:43:23.275
Um, I guess it's, it's, it's the least in terms of like, uh,

988
00:43:24.035 --> 00:43:26.275
I guess we'll, we'll see because we go onto

989
00:43:26.385 --> 00:43:28.475
4, 3, 2, and one.

990
00:43:28.865 --> 00:43:31.035
Okay. So you're number four.

991
00:43:31.665 --> 00:43:33.355
Best church trip that you've, that you've

992
00:43:33.355 --> 00:43:34.355
Been on. Okay. So number

993
00:43:34.355 --> 00:43:37.235
four, um, would be to,

994
00:43:37.775 --> 00:43:39.155
um, Oregon.

995
00:43:40.205 --> 00:43:41.835
Where North, Um, you still live in Oregon?

996
00:43:41.875 --> 00:43:44.515
I went to, uh, Portland, Oregon. Yeah. Yeah.

997
00:43:45.015 --> 00:43:48.795
Um, one of the things we did there was go on a food tour,

998
00:43:48.935 --> 00:43:51.195
of course, because of all the food there.

999
00:43:51.375 --> 00:43:54.635
And, um, I was looking forward to Voodoo Donuts. Yeah.

1000
00:43:54.895 --> 00:43:58.915
And then, um, but then my friend said, blue Star is better.

1001
00:43:59.675 --> 00:44:00.935
And so Have you been to both?

1002
00:44:01.325 --> 00:44:03.335
I've been to Voodoo, I haven't been to Blue Star. Yeah.

1003
00:44:03.355 --> 00:44:05.935
We had a, we had a, like promo opportunity, ah,

1004
00:44:05.935 --> 00:44:07.615
partnership thing with Voodoo. So we went there.

1005
00:44:07.635 --> 00:44:11.065
Oh, nice. At that time I did like Blue Star more.

1006
00:44:11.325 --> 00:44:15.105
And um, yeah, it was funny 'cause we, we were a big group

1007
00:44:15.105 --> 00:44:16.305
and we stayed in this house

1008
00:44:16.525 --> 00:44:18.905
and I was wondering why is this house so huge?

1009
00:44:19.245 --> 00:44:20.585
And like, everything's labeled

1010
00:44:20.725 --> 00:44:22.545
and they have like all this stuff.

1011
00:44:22.605 --> 00:44:25.545
And I realized they're like a Mormon couple. Oh, okay.

1012
00:44:25.545 --> 00:44:26.665
With a bunch of kids.

1013
00:44:26.885 --> 00:44:30.625
Um, but it was, uh, it was kind of a, it was a nice house

1014
00:44:30.645 --> 00:44:33.085
and they had chickens in the backyard, so we got to play

1015
00:44:33.085 --> 00:44:35.565
with the chickens and all of that.

1016
00:44:35.745 --> 00:44:37.285
So that was memorable.

1017
00:44:37.345 --> 00:44:40.965
And then we got to go to, um, crater Lake Okay.

1018
00:44:41.065 --> 00:44:43.805
On our drive back. So that made it memorable. Yeah.

1019
00:44:43.905 --> 00:44:44.925
I'm gonna say I'm kind of jealous

1020
00:44:45.085 --> 00:44:46.205
'cause it's like, I've lived in Oregon

1021
00:44:46.265 --> 00:44:47.645
for a couple years at a time.

1022
00:44:47.735 --> 00:44:50.645
Never actually have driven by Lake several times, no way.

1023
00:44:50.705 --> 00:44:51.725
But I've never actually gone to it.

1024
00:44:51.835 --> 00:44:53.405
Have you flown over it?

1025
00:44:54.405 --> 00:44:57.605
I mean, I don't think so. Uh, probably, I dunno.

1026
00:44:58.005 --> 00:44:59.725
I I lived on the West coast for most of my life,

1027
00:44:59.745 --> 00:45:01.005
but yeah. Yeah. Um,

1028
00:45:01.585 --> 00:45:02.585
That's pretty cool.

1029
00:45:02.595 --> 00:45:03.605
Okay, your number three?

1030
00:45:03.945 --> 00:45:07.405
My number three, um, top trip was to, um,

1031
00:45:08.675 --> 00:45:10.925
this was to Canada in Vancouver.

1032
00:45:12.945 --> 00:45:17.615
So we, we kind of, yeah.

1033
00:45:17.725 --> 00:45:20.175
That, that trip it was like 40 people.

1034
00:45:20.475 --> 00:45:22.175
So that was kind of memorable. Wow.

1035
00:45:22.175 --> 00:45:23.775
And everywhere we went, we played games.

1036
00:45:24.355 --> 00:45:26.015
And I was slightly embarrassed

1037
00:45:26.165 --> 00:45:28.415
because we're so loud and obnoxious.

1038
00:45:28.655 --> 00:45:32.295
And so we would go to, um, UBC, university

1039
00:45:32.315 --> 00:45:35.375
of British Columbia every day on to do some stuff there.

1040
00:45:35.515 --> 00:45:37.535
And, um, one day we went there

1041
00:45:37.715 --> 00:45:41.615
and some random stranger shouted out to us, Hey,

1042
00:45:41.615 --> 00:45:44.335
were you guys a group there at that restaurant last night?

1043
00:45:45.395 --> 00:45:49.055
I'm like, oh my goodness. We are, I'm so sorry.

1044
00:45:49.535 --> 00:45:51.735
I felt embarrassed. Maybe it was not a thing for them.

1045
00:45:52.075 --> 00:45:55.095
But, um, my thing is I'm always trying to keep up

1046
00:45:55.095 --> 00:45:56.775
with people a lot younger than me,

1047
00:45:57.035 --> 00:46:00.055
and so try to bring my energy and not,

1048
00:46:00.235 --> 00:46:03.815
and I'm like so thin skinned, I get embarrassed easily,

1049
00:46:04.395 --> 00:46:07.925
but that was a trip I had to like, like, all right,

1050
00:46:07.995 --> 00:46:09.085
this is just who we are.

1051
00:46:09.415 --> 00:46:11.165
We're just gonna make a scene everywhere we go,

1052
00:46:11.175 --> 00:46:12.365
we're gonna be obnoxious.

1053
00:46:12.505 --> 00:46:14.165
So that's all right. So

1054
00:46:14.165 --> 00:46:15.165
Now you're just gonna lean into it.

1055
00:46:15.275 --> 00:46:16.365
Yeah. You're like, all right. You know

1056
00:46:16.365 --> 00:46:17.405
what, we're the obnoxious people and

1057
00:46:17.405 --> 00:46:18.405
That's Yes. We're the obnoxious

1058
00:46:18.405 --> 00:46:20.445
people. Yeah.

1059
00:46:21.065 --> 00:46:23.045
All right. Uh, number two. Number

1060
00:46:23.225 --> 00:46:27.605
Two, um, I think that would be to Mexico.

1061
00:46:28.205 --> 00:46:32.405
I did go to Mexico, Ensenada, Mexico, um, years ago.

1062
00:46:32.665 --> 00:46:37.215
And we also went to different villages, um, to try

1063
00:46:37.215 --> 00:46:38.615
to like evangelize there.

1064
00:46:38.795 --> 00:46:42.215
And yeah, that was just my first time in Mexico. Mm-Hmm.

1065
00:46:42.515 --> 00:46:43.935
So that was really cool.

1066
00:46:44.235 --> 00:46:47.055
Um, I learned that I should call the credit card company

1067
00:46:47.115 --> 00:46:48.895
to tell them that I'm leaving the country.

1068
00:46:49.765 --> 00:46:51.655
Yes'. Probably good idea. And should be more cash with me.

1069
00:46:52.355 --> 00:46:55.095
Um, but it was just, it was a very, um,

1070
00:46:55.355 --> 00:46:58.085
it was beautiful there, and I yeah.

1071
00:46:58.105 --> 00:46:59.605
Really enjoyed that trip.

1072
00:47:00.025 --> 00:47:02.685
Trying to make, I think the reason why I put that

1073
00:47:02.685 --> 00:47:04.005
as number two is because it,

1074
00:47:04.005 --> 00:47:05.885
it was just a place I've never been to before

1075
00:47:05.945 --> 00:47:07.685
and I've never gone there.

1076
00:47:07.685 --> 00:47:10.765
I've never tried to like, practice any Spanish. Yeah.

1077
00:47:10.885 --> 00:47:14.445
I think before then. And, um, just being out of the country

1078
00:47:14.615 --> 00:47:16.925
where, yeah.

1079
00:47:17.315 --> 00:47:19.605
Yeah. I was gonna say, you know, the games

1080
00:47:19.905 --> 00:47:22.405
of British Columbia sounded a lot more fun Yeah.

1081
00:47:22.595 --> 00:47:24.845
Than, um, Mexico having your,

1082
00:47:25.265 --> 00:47:27.245
having your card, uh, have some issues.

1083
00:47:27.675 --> 00:47:29.525
Yeah. But it's usually those stressful moments

1084
00:47:29.635 --> 00:47:30.925
that make it more memorable.

1085
00:47:31.025 --> 00:47:33.525
And maybe that's why it, it came up to number two.

1086
00:47:33.625 --> 00:47:35.405
That's true. All right. Number

1087
00:47:35.425 --> 00:47:36.365
one, beating all of these

1088
00:47:36.365 --> 00:47:37.565
other things. What was your best trip?

1089
00:47:37.565 --> 00:47:41.245
Oh gosh. Okay. Um, okay. Maybe it was, I went to Cambodia.

1090
00:47:41.715 --> 00:47:43.045
Okay. Once in 2008.

1091
00:47:43.345 --> 00:47:46.405
Um, and it was, um,

1092
00:47:47.895 --> 00:47:50.145
that was just wild for me

1093
00:47:50.145 --> 00:47:53.745
because I, I guess in going there, I,

1094
00:47:54.105 --> 00:47:55.865
I learned about the history of, um,

1095
00:47:56.605 --> 00:47:58.225
the Khmer Rouge and how it, yeah.

1096
00:47:58.225 --> 00:48:00.145
I was gonna say it's not, not great from what I,

1097
00:48:00.365 --> 00:48:02.625
No, it's, it, it's such a war torn country.

1098
00:48:03.005 --> 00:48:06.505
And, um, it fell from great heights from where it was.

1099
00:48:07.245 --> 00:48:09.665
And, um, I think it was just very heartbreaking for

1100
00:48:09.665 --> 00:48:12.225
that reason to see every single person that I met,

1101
00:48:12.655 --> 00:48:16.105
they had people who, um, were affected by the Khmer Rouge,

1102
00:48:16.105 --> 00:48:18.225
whether it was that the family members got killed.

1103
00:48:18.455 --> 00:48:19.545
Yeah. Something like that.

1104
00:48:19.725 --> 00:48:21.625
And it was just a very impoverished place.

1105
00:48:21.725 --> 00:48:25.705
And I just learned and on that trip, how to appreciate just

1106
00:48:25.705 --> 00:48:27.465
what I have here in America.

1107
00:48:27.615 --> 00:48:29.945
Just even running water plumbing. Yeah.

1108
00:48:30.245 --> 00:48:33.985
Um, in order to have water, you just collect rain water

1109
00:48:34.485 --> 00:48:37.785
and you have to use that water for everything.

1110
00:48:38.125 --> 00:48:40.465
And, um, I, and when it did not

1111
00:48:40.465 --> 00:48:41.625
rain, you did not have water.

1112
00:48:41.885 --> 00:48:45.965
And so I had to experience that too.

1113
00:48:46.145 --> 00:48:48.165
And there was another thing that made it memorable,

1114
00:48:48.665 --> 00:48:50.445
but I think it's too gross to share.

1115
00:48:50.765 --> 00:48:51.805
'cause it's a bathroom story.

1116
00:48:51.905 --> 00:48:53.325
And let's just say

1117
00:48:53.615 --> 00:48:57.205
after cleaning that bathroom, I can handle

1118
00:48:57.725 --> 00:48:58.725
cleaning any bathroom.

1119
00:48:59.805 --> 00:49:03.125
I am not daunted by that task anymore.

1120
00:49:03.795 --> 00:49:05.045
Yeah. I've, I've, I've been

1121
00:49:05.045 --> 00:49:06.165
around some pretty gross bathrooms.

1122
00:49:06.225 --> 00:49:09.645
Yes. Um, one of my, well, I was in the military

1123
00:49:09.645 --> 00:49:10.765
and we went over to Iraq

1124
00:49:11.185 --> 00:49:15.485
and one of my roommates, uh, he was tasked

1125
00:49:15.485 --> 00:49:18.005
with having to empty all the, the porta potties.

1126
00:49:18.005 --> 00:49:22.965
Oh. And he had one day Wow. Where it spilled. Oh no.

1127
00:49:23.265 --> 00:49:24.265
On him.

1128
00:49:25.705 --> 00:49:27.485
Oh, that's gross. Okay. That's like, okay.

1129
00:49:27.485 --> 00:49:29.525
That my story. Okay. That seems gross.

1130
00:49:29.585 --> 00:49:31.805
At least, at least it wasn't me though, so. Yeah. Yeah.

1131
00:49:32.025 --> 00:49:33.805
You still have me beat as far as stories go.

1132
00:49:33.955 --> 00:49:35.045
Yeah. Okay.

1133
00:49:35.045 --> 00:49:36.085
The, the first thing that we do

1134
00:49:36.085 --> 00:49:38.645
before, the five important questions that I keep forgetting

1135
00:49:38.645 --> 00:49:39.845
to move to the previous page,

1136
00:49:39.965 --> 00:49:41.845
where I should put it, is a game.

1137
00:49:41.985 --> 00:49:43.565
I'd like to call it first pitch. Mm-Hmm.

1138
00:49:43.745 --> 00:49:45.845
Um, so pitch me on your rental business, if you were

1139
00:49:45.845 --> 00:49:48.085
to start a rental business of your own within the next month

1140
00:49:48.085 --> 00:49:50.165
or so, so you don't have like a whole ton of time

1141
00:49:50.165 --> 00:49:52.525
to plan it, um, what would your niche be?

1142
00:49:52.735 --> 00:49:54.125
Niche. Oh. What would your niche be?

1143
00:49:54.825 --> 00:49:58.605
Uh, um, maybe renting out,

1144
00:49:58.825 --> 00:50:00.605
um, kids toys.

1145
00:50:01.855 --> 00:50:06.705
Okay. The reason is, um, I guess my world is my kids.

1146
00:50:06.885 --> 00:50:10.985
So, um, just as I see them go through,

1147
00:50:11.405 --> 00:50:14.225
as I see them grow older, they just have so many toys,

1148
00:50:14.325 --> 00:50:17.665
but then they get tired of those toys

1149
00:50:18.205 --> 00:50:19.425
and it's still good,

1150
00:50:19.965 --> 00:50:22.905
and they're like wanting more or newer toys.

1151
00:50:23.125 --> 00:50:25.505
And, um, I just felt like, okay,

1152
00:50:25.885 --> 00:50:29.245
surely other parents have the same problem of needing

1153
00:50:29.245 --> 00:50:32.565
to supply their kids with like, newer toys

1154
00:50:32.625 --> 00:50:33.805
so that they're entertained.

1155
00:50:33.865 --> 00:50:35.565
And so why not just do this, like,

1156
00:50:35.715 --> 00:50:39.985
swap Like maybe we'll have like this rental thing where

1157
00:50:40.945 --> 00:50:43.445
we could just collect toys and switch 'em out.

1158
00:50:43.785 --> 00:50:46.645
Do that with books so that you don't have to like,

1159
00:50:48.805 --> 00:50:49.925
I don't know, get rid of them,

1160
00:50:50.065 --> 00:50:51.885
or there's just a more efficient way

1161
00:50:51.885 --> 00:50:53.045
of sharing our resources.

1162
00:50:53.315 --> 00:50:54.525
Yeah. I like it. I,

1163
00:50:54.725 --> 00:50:56.525
I don't have a good name for this business yet.

1164
00:50:56.525 --> 00:50:58.605
I don't either. Yeah. But I like it, uh,

1165
00:50:59.565 --> 00:51:00.805
everyone listening, you're not allowed.

1166
00:51:00.825 --> 00:51:01.885
You gotta credit Cindy

1167
00:51:01.985 --> 00:51:04.245
and you gotta like, cut her in on like, what, 80,

1168
00:51:04.245 --> 00:51:06.445
20 year way if they start this business

1169
00:51:06.445 --> 00:51:10.565
and it works. Five

1170
00:51:11.035 --> 00:51:12.365
Important questions.

1171
00:51:12.515 --> 00:51:14.565
Five important questions. Five important questions.

1172
00:51:14.875 --> 00:51:16.605
Five important questions.

1173
00:51:18.425 --> 00:51:19.925
Uh, okay. Let's do the five important questions.

1174
00:51:20.835 --> 00:51:22.965
What would you say is your greatest success in life?

1175
00:51:24.145 --> 00:51:27.045
Oh, my greatest success in life. Wow.

1176
00:51:27.045 --> 00:51:28.805
That's a, that's a packed

1177
00:51:29.005 --> 00:51:30.005
Question. We like to start it off

1178
00:51:30.005 --> 00:51:31.805
with an easy, like, light one.

1179
00:51:33.225 --> 00:51:37.605
Um, I think it's, um, well I, I'm very involved with,

1180
00:51:38.465 --> 00:51:41.565
you know, my church and there's different people that, um,

1181
00:51:42.555 --> 00:51:46.565
I've kind of mentored and I think that's my biggest success.

1182
00:51:46.835 --> 00:51:50.885
Some people that I've known for the pa 10 years ago,

1183
00:51:50.885 --> 00:51:51.925
they're still with me.

1184
00:51:52.075 --> 00:51:55.605
Yeah. And, um, just to go through the ups

1185
00:51:55.605 --> 00:51:57.125
and downs of life with them

1186
00:51:57.145 --> 00:52:00.285
and to help guide them through different rough patches,

1187
00:52:00.445 --> 00:52:01.525
I think, yeah.

1188
00:52:01.925 --> 00:52:03.405
I think that's my biggest reward.

1189
00:52:04.155 --> 00:52:06.885
Okay. So like you did mention that you have three kids.

1190
00:52:07.075 --> 00:52:08.245
Yeah. And it's kind of weird

1191
00:52:08.245 --> 00:52:09.685
that they would not be mentioned here,

1192
00:52:10.785 --> 00:52:12.565
but maybe it's a case of like you do.

1193
00:52:12.965 --> 00:52:16.085
I think a lot of the thing that people like about, you know,

1194
00:52:16.115 --> 00:52:18.205
raising kids is that whole, you get

1195
00:52:18.205 --> 00:52:19.285
that mentorship type thing.

1196
00:52:19.285 --> 00:52:21.125
Yeah. You get to watch them grow. Yeah.

1197
00:52:21.225 --> 00:52:23.685
It feels like you're already getting some of that

1198
00:52:23.905 --> 00:52:25.845
and you already are to the point where it's like

1199
00:52:26.405 --> 00:52:27.415
they're already grown.

1200
00:52:27.725 --> 00:52:29.095
Yeah. I think so.

1201
00:52:29.175 --> 00:52:33.335
I think with my kids, um, I, I feel like I will get to that.

1202
00:52:33.855 --> 00:52:36.215
I, I will experience that too when they hit their

1203
00:52:36.565 --> 00:52:37.815
teenage years.

1204
00:52:38.755 --> 00:52:41.535
Um, 'cause my oldest is 12

1205
00:52:41.755 --> 00:52:44.055
and then that the second one's like nine.

1206
00:52:44.635 --> 00:52:46.975
Oh no, 10 and nine. Yeah.

1207
00:52:47.035 --> 00:52:49.215
So 12, 10, 9 now I'm getting their ages

1208
00:52:49.215 --> 00:52:50.215
Mixed up. Well, it's okay. We

1209
00:52:50.215 --> 00:52:51.455
don't know when this will actually air,

1210
00:52:51.515 --> 00:52:53.215
so it might change anyway. Yeah,

1211
00:52:53.725 --> 00:52:54.725
Yeah. But

1212
00:52:54.725 --> 00:52:58.065
when they're so young, they don't, they're,

1213
00:52:58.065 --> 00:52:59.425
they're just in diapers

1214
00:52:59.425 --> 00:53:00.825
and you're just trying to keep 'em alive.

1215
00:53:01.085 --> 00:53:04.905
So, but I, I am fully preparing myself for,

1216
00:53:05.485 --> 00:53:06.945
for the few next couple of years.

1217
00:53:07.185 --> 00:53:08.985
I know that I was a lot of like,

1218
00:53:08.985 --> 00:53:10.465
tough years come up. Come up ahead.

1219
00:53:10.655 --> 00:53:12.505
Yeah. So you're gonna have lots of teenagers. Yes.

1220
00:53:12.965 --> 00:53:16.105
Uh, okay. Well that might lead into the next one. Yeah.

1221
00:53:16.105 --> 00:53:17.265
Which is what is your greatest fear?

1222
00:53:18.385 --> 00:53:20.585
I think yes. My, the teenage years,

1223
00:53:20.785 --> 00:53:21.905
I really am afraid of that.

1224
00:53:22.085 --> 00:53:24.865
Um, I think I do try to keep, um,

1225
00:53:25.315 --> 00:53:29.885
stay abreast on all the different generational trends that,

1226
00:53:30.065 --> 00:53:31.485
um, young people go through.

1227
00:53:31.825 --> 00:53:32.925
And yeah.

1228
00:53:32.995 --> 00:53:34.645
Part of that scares me just

1229
00:53:34.645 --> 00:53:37.645
because there's a lot that influences them that

1230
00:53:38.185 --> 00:53:39.205
was shielded from me.

1231
00:53:39.315 --> 00:53:41.165
Like just even having a smartphone. Yeah.

1232
00:53:41.165 --> 00:53:43.245
Like that opens up so much more for them.

1233
00:53:44.145 --> 00:53:49.125
Um, and so yeah, just afraid of how I'm going to interact

1234
00:53:49.125 --> 00:53:52.725
with them, how I can influence them, how I can not be

1235
00:53:52.725 --> 00:53:54.165
that nagging mom voice.

1236
00:53:54.745 --> 00:53:57.405
How I could maybe just coach them through different

1237
00:53:57.405 --> 00:53:58.405
Yeah. I was gonna say, is this

1238
00:53:58.405 --> 00:53:58.605
related

1239
00:53:58.605 --> 00:53:59.565
to your coaching thing? Yeah,

1240
00:53:59.605 --> 00:54:00.605
I think so too.

1241
00:54:00.605 --> 00:54:02.405
I think that's one of the things that

1242
00:54:02.925 --> 00:54:06.405
I really wanna use coaching for, just to, um, as a way

1243
00:54:06.405 --> 00:54:08.005
to communicate with my kids so

1244
00:54:08.005 --> 00:54:11.765
that I put decisions on their, you know, leave the decisions

1245
00:54:11.765 --> 00:54:14.085
with them, but help to talk through it with them.

1246
00:54:15.105 --> 00:54:16.445
But they need, the kids needs to know.

1247
00:54:16.585 --> 00:54:18.165
If it does come down to it, it's like,

1248
00:54:18.825 --> 00:54:19.925
but I can't tell you what to

1249
00:54:19.925 --> 00:54:20.925
Do. Yeah, exactly. There's

1250
00:54:20.925 --> 00:54:22.565
gonna be certain conversations

1251
00:54:22.565 --> 00:54:23.965
that are coaching conversations,

1252
00:54:24.065 --> 00:54:27.325
but other conversations where it's clearly not. Yeah.

1253
00:54:28.315 --> 00:54:30.365
Okay. Uh, if you could tell first day at point of rental,

1254
00:54:30.365 --> 00:54:32.325
Cindy, one piece of advice, what would you tell her?

1255
00:54:32.625 --> 00:54:35.165
Oh, I would, um,

1256
00:54:35.665 --> 00:54:38.915
say, don't be so nervous.

1257
00:54:39.295 --> 00:54:40.875
Um, people here are really nice

1258
00:54:41.415 --> 00:54:44.875
and you're gonna really enjoy it.

1259
00:54:45.455 --> 00:54:46.595
You won't know, but you will.

1260
00:54:48.855 --> 00:54:51.155
All right. I was gonna say, I don't know, I don't dunno

1261
00:54:51.155 --> 00:54:52.515
how to make a joke off of that one, so I dunno.

1262
00:54:52.695 --> 00:54:54.515
Uh, what is your most embarrassing moment

1263
00:54:54.515 --> 00:54:56.075
as a pointer since you know,

1264
00:54:56.215 --> 00:55:00.005
Oh gosh, gosh, I don't know.

1265
00:55:01.375 --> 00:55:05.675
Maybe that's a hard one.

1266
00:55:07.195 --> 00:55:08.935
I'm sure you had, I'm sure you had a lot

1267
00:55:08.935 --> 00:55:11.055
of awkward experiences early on because Yeah.

1268
00:55:11.055 --> 00:55:13.055
There's a lot of, yeah. You know, Thomas used to work here

1269
00:55:13.195 --> 00:55:15.135
and you guys have the same last name. Oh,

1270
00:55:15.135 --> 00:55:16.135
Yeah. You know, and what

1271
00:55:16.135 --> 00:55:17.495
it was, yeah, it was,

1272
00:55:17.795 --> 00:55:20.255
it was the Christmas party when I came in

1273
00:55:20.255 --> 00:55:23.215
and Colin thought I was Thomas's wife.

1274
00:55:24.975 --> 00:55:26.815
I thought he was kidding, but he wasn't.

1275
00:55:26.965 --> 00:55:28.255
Yeah, that's, I mean, I don't,

1276
00:55:28.255 --> 00:55:29.815
that's the problem is it's hard to also tell with,

1277
00:55:29.815 --> 00:55:31.935
With Colin, I mean, I don't blame people

1278
00:55:31.935 --> 00:55:34.015
because a lot of people here are related

1279
00:55:34.075 --> 00:55:35.295
or like married to each other.

1280
00:55:35.515 --> 00:55:38.655
So I totally expected that. And I don't get offended

1281
00:55:39.645 --> 00:55:40.645
Cool.

1282
00:55:40.875 --> 00:55:42.895
All right. Well, sorry. You've been sent

1283
00:55:42.955 --> 00:55:46.375
to death is now being mistaken for Thomas' wife

1284
00:55:47.275 --> 00:55:48.335
is a capital offense.

1285
00:55:48.995 --> 00:55:50.615
That's a weird international, I'm sorry.

1286
00:55:50.615 --> 00:55:52.495
But, um, it has to be that way.

1287
00:55:52.795 --> 00:55:54.335
So what is your last meal and why?

1288
00:55:55.275 --> 00:55:57.055
Oh, my last meal. Oh my gosh.

1289
00:55:57.355 --> 00:56:00.935
Um, I really like a dis

1290
00:56:00.955 --> 00:56:03.555
so ramen bowl.

1291
00:56:04.305 --> 00:56:06.395
Just 'cause I just love noodles

1292
00:56:07.135 --> 00:56:11.475
and there's nothing in particular about why that one.

1293
00:56:12.095 --> 00:56:15.475
Um, it's just kind of like a comfort food for me. Okay.

1294
00:56:15.475 --> 00:56:19.415
And I'd be totally fine as that, as

1295
00:56:19.415 --> 00:56:20.575
with that as my last meal.

1296
00:56:20.645 --> 00:56:22.415
Yeah. I feel like if you're, if you're about to die,

1297
00:56:22.415 --> 00:56:24.230
then you do do want some type of comfort food.

1298
00:56:24.230 --> 00:56:25.845
Yes. Comfort food. All right.

1299
00:56:25.845 --> 00:56:26.925
Are you gonna have any beverages or

1300
00:56:26.925 --> 00:56:28.165
dessert with this ramen or no?

1301
00:56:29.105 --> 00:56:30.925
Um, probably a seltzer water.

1302
00:56:31.865 --> 00:56:33.075
Okay. Well, yeah, that's,

1303
00:56:33.075 --> 00:56:34.075
That's, that's it. I,

1304
00:56:34.075 --> 00:56:36.755
it's not nothing too interesting. Yeah.

1305
00:56:36.755 --> 00:56:38.235
I was gonna say, you're not being very flashy with this.

1306
00:56:38.295 --> 00:56:40.555
No. This last meal. No. All right.

1307
00:56:40.575 --> 00:56:41.875
Uh, if you could change one thing

1308
00:56:41.875 --> 00:56:42.995
about yourself, what would it be?

1309
00:56:43.895 --> 00:56:47.235
Um, I would be a lot

1310
00:56:47.305 --> 00:56:49.255
more bold.

1311
00:56:49.875 --> 00:56:51.135
I'm a very fearful person.

1312
00:56:51.395 --> 00:56:54.975
And so even on my last trip to Honduras,

1313
00:56:54.995 --> 00:56:56.735
we had a fun day of zip lining.

1314
00:56:56.915 --> 00:56:59.895
And for a while I was committing to not do it

1315
00:57:00.325 --> 00:57:05.055
because I was a bit afraid, but my husband made me do it.

1316
00:57:05.235 --> 00:57:06.375
He said, you're gonna go first.

1317
00:57:07.275 --> 00:57:08.735
And I did it and it was fine.

1318
00:57:09.035 --> 00:57:12.215
And so I think, um, yeah, just even learning through

1319
00:57:12.215 --> 00:57:15.135
that trip that or that experience, that

1320
00:57:15.755 --> 00:57:17.265
fears are often overblown

1321
00:57:17.605 --> 00:57:21.305
and, um, the more you replay it, maybe it takes on,

1322
00:57:22.785 --> 00:57:23.845
it just grows.

1323
00:57:24.155 --> 00:57:26.525
Yeah. And, um, just gotta face it.

1324
00:57:26.885 --> 00:57:29.995
I was gonna say it. I feel like you're not

1325
00:57:30.515 --> 00:57:33.035
actually not bold.

1326
00:57:33.275 --> 00:57:34.555
I mean, you've been to all

1327
00:57:34.555 --> 00:57:35.755
of these places and done all these things.

1328
00:57:35.945 --> 00:57:37.755
It's like, I feel like if you're going

1329
00:57:37.755 --> 00:57:40.235
through all this stuff, like you did Zipline,

1330
00:57:40.255 --> 00:57:42.675
you didn't actually like not do it.

1331
00:57:42.795 --> 00:57:44.475
I think that Yeah.

1332
00:57:44.585 --> 00:57:46.755
Give yourself some more credit for, for being bold. Yeah.

1333
00:57:46.755 --> 00:57:50.985
I guess so. But I, I can definitely relate to the, like,

1334
00:57:51.745 --> 00:57:53.305
I wish this were easier Yeah.

1335
00:57:53.485 --> 00:57:54.705
To do. Um,

1336
00:57:55.045 --> 00:57:56.945
if you could change one thing at point of rental, what would it be?

1337
00:57:58.205 --> 00:57:59.465
Ooh. Um,

1338
00:58:01.455 --> 00:58:03.825
Immediately, like it's a snap change immediately, not a,

1339
00:58:03.825 --> 00:58:05.425
like over a period of many years.

1340
00:58:05.425 --> 00:58:07.225
Oh wow. I hope to help project manage this

1341
00:58:07.765 --> 00:58:09.625
to a happy resolution.

1342
00:58:09.775 --> 00:58:11.985
It's just like, if I could just make this snap happen,

1343
00:58:12.605 --> 00:58:15.985
Um, I guess, uh, to have a bigger project management team.

1344
00:58:16.625 --> 00:58:19.225
Alright. And, um, I think

1345
00:58:19.225 --> 00:58:21.065
that might even happen soon, but yeah.

1346
00:58:21.945 --> 00:58:23.315
Just to have more people with me

1347
00:58:23.315 --> 00:58:24.795
and right now it's just me and Kirk.

1348
00:58:25.345 --> 00:58:28.755
Alright. If you, uh, what is your spirit Spice?

1349
00:58:29.695 --> 00:58:31.515
My spirit Spice? Yes. Mm-Hmm.

1350
00:58:32.295 --> 00:58:36.115
Um, I think it, um, it would be, uh, cumin.

1351
00:58:36.975 --> 00:58:38.715
And why, why does Cuban, yeah.

1352
00:58:38.715 --> 00:58:39.795
Why does cumin speak to you?

1353
00:58:40.945 --> 00:58:45.595
Because it's kind of, um, it,

1354
00:58:45.745 --> 00:58:46.795
it's a, okay.

1355
00:58:46.795 --> 00:58:48.675
Maybe that's the wrong spice. I think that's too,

1356
00:58:49.095 --> 00:58:51.075
But you had such a good quick answer for

1357
00:58:51.075 --> 00:58:52.075
It. I know, I know.

1358
00:58:52.075 --> 00:58:53.815
I think it,

1359
00:58:54.765 --> 00:58:56.015
This is us testing your boldness.

1360
00:58:56.045 --> 00:58:58.015
Look, you boldly answered cumin.

1361
00:58:58.135 --> 00:59:00.935
I boldly cu and cumin is a bold spice. So it is

1362
00:59:00.935 --> 00:59:01.935
A bold spice, I think.

1363
00:59:01.975 --> 00:59:04.175
'cause I want to be bold. Okay.

1364
00:59:04.375 --> 00:59:08.015
I want to be that flavor that kind of adds

1365
00:59:08.395 --> 00:59:11.575
and, um, kind of is, you know, makes that

1366
00:59:12.295 --> 00:59:13.495
whatever it is better.

1367
00:59:14.445 --> 00:59:15.695
Okay. I think maybe that's

1368
00:59:15.695 --> 00:59:17.535
what I is. 'cause I, that's what I want.

1369
00:59:17.805 --> 00:59:19.255
Okay. It's your aspirational spirits

1370
00:59:19.255 --> 00:59:20.255
Place. It's my aspirational.

1371
00:59:20.255 --> 00:59:20.455

1372
00:59:21.505 --> 00:59:23.445
All right. Uh, tell me a secret about point of rental.

1373
00:59:24.265 --> 00:59:25.525
You have a unique perspective

1374
00:59:25.545 --> 00:59:27.405
and you're in all of these projects, so I'm sure

1375
00:59:27.405 --> 00:59:28.525
that you have some type of secret.

1376
00:59:29.645 --> 00:59:30.765
I don't know if it's a secret

1377
00:59:30.825 --> 00:59:32.285
to everyone else, but I'm like, wow.

1378
00:59:32.395 --> 00:59:33.805
Like Robert Flack.

1379
00:59:33.805 --> 00:59:34.805
He could be an actor,

1380
00:59:35.825 --> 00:59:38.285
but, um, I don't know how many people know that.

1381
00:59:38.545 --> 00:59:41.325
And maybe people have only seen his back flips

1382
00:59:41.325 --> 00:59:44.415
and maybe through the hackathon videos they've seen him,

1383
00:59:44.555 --> 00:59:46.615
but he has this super creative side.

1384
00:59:46.685 --> 00:59:48.375
Sometimes I'm thinking maybe we

1385
00:59:48.375 --> 00:59:49.535
should pull him into marketing.

1386
00:59:49.845 --> 00:59:52.095
Yeah. Sometimes to, yeah.

1387
00:59:52.125 --> 00:59:54.295
Just get some of the juices flowing for ideas.

1388
00:59:54.725 --> 00:59:57.815
Yeah. There's some level of, like, organizationally,

1389
00:59:58.095 --> 00:59:59.975
I probably can't pull him in for that many hours.

1390
01:00:00.415 --> 01:00:02.335
Yeah. But it's like, oh yeah, I do. Yeah.

1391
01:00:02.415 --> 01:00:03.615
I do enjoy working on hackathon

1392
01:00:03.615 --> 01:00:04.615
Stuff. And then, um, he's

1393
01:00:04.615 --> 01:00:06.895
also very organized, so I,

1394
01:00:06.975 --> 01:00:09.375
I see the project manager in him too. Yeah.

1395
01:00:10.315 --> 01:00:11.825
Thank you Cindy, for chatting today. Yeah.

1396
01:00:11.825 --> 01:00:14.105
Thank you. Uh, thank you also to Andrew Sherington

1397
01:00:14.105 --> 01:00:15.585
and Daria Tucker for the work behind the scenes.

1398
01:00:15.845 --> 01:00:18.265
And everyone, to everyone who made it to this point

1399
01:00:18.265 --> 01:00:19.785
with us, thank you for watching.

1400
01:00:20.165 --> 01:00:23.305
Um, please subscribe, rate, review, do whatever you can

1401
01:00:23.445 --> 01:00:26.145
to share us with other people so we can keep doing this

1402
01:00:26.145 --> 01:00:27.865
and talking to more pointers like Cindy.

1403
01:00:28.365 --> 01:00:31.745
Uh, we'll keep the port site burning for you and bye

1404
01:00:32.205 --> 01:00:33.205
Bye.

1405
01:00:43.365 --> 01:00:48.025
I, uh, there's a lot of these games that, um, that I play

1406
01:00:48.055 --> 01:00:49.905
that involve punishment

1407
01:00:49.965 --> 01:00:53.705
and usually hitting is one of the forms of punishment

1408
01:00:53.705 --> 01:00:55.265
that we used to resort to.

1409
01:00:55.485 --> 01:00:55.985
Not anymore.