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I'm Travis Bader,
and this is the

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Silvercore Podcast.

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Silvercore has been
providing its members

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with the skills and
knowledge necessary to be

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confident and proficient
in the outdoors for over

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20 years, and we make
it easier for people to

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deepen their connection
to the natural world.

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If you enjoy the positive
and educational content

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we provide, please let
others know by sharing,

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commenting, and following
so that you can join

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in on everything that
Silvercore stands for.

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I want to take a moment
to reflect on the life

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of Paul Rogan, who
recently passed and who

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founded and produced
the Canadian access

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to firearms newspaper
since 1984, my friend

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Donovan is carrying on
the legacy that Paul

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created by continuing
publication of the news.

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Canada's largest print by
itself and the shooting

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sports for those who are
interested, I've put a

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link in the description.

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If you've ever had an
interest in optics,

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weather, scopes,
binoculars, thermal

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night, vision and more
you're in luck today,

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I'm joined by the dark
Lord of optics himself.

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Welcome to the Silvercore
Podcast, iLya Koshkin.

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Wow.

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Thank you for having me.

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And it's a
self-proclaimed

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dark road of optics.

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So the, I did not really
come up with that.

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Well, I'm going to ask
you about that in a

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little bit, but for the
listeners, for those

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who aren't aware is
an optical physicist

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who has a talent for
taking complex ideas

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and problems and
relaying them in the

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most simplistic way.

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So that they're
understandable

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by everyone.

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He does this through
his website and YouTube

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channel named the dark
Lord of optics and

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https://darklordofoptics.locals.Com.

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And I'm gonna have
links to that in

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the description.

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So you guys can
check it out.

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Now Eylea, I received
an email from a good

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friend of mine and
past Silvercore Podcast

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guests, Paul Ballard,
who in turn, got the

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email from firearms
instructor and mutual

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friend, Curtis Miller.

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Chuck saying, you
have to check out this

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Elliot fellow I did.

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And the content that
you provide is amazing.

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And so I jumped at
the chance to have

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you on as a guest here

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and amazing.

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I don't know either
one of those guys know

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you probably don't.

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I probably should.

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Well, you know, we spoke
off air about kind of

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the best way to get
this information across.

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And we're talking about
breaking this into

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segments and where we
do a general overview

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of you and what you're
about and a bit about

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optics and what people
should be thinking about.

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And we can follow this
up at a later point

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with questions that
people might have more

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specific to optics.

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And you're talking
about more of a, sort

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of a white board lesson
where we get into the

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ins and outs of what.

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What people should
be looking for in

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optics and a bit of
an education there.

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So, uh, we'll, we'll
have that available at

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a later date as well.

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So I was like
a good plan.

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So Ilya, can you tell
me a little bit about

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yourself and how you
got into this wonderful

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world of optics?

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Uh, three lectures, OCD?

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Uh, no, uh, it was
kind of a funky story.

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Uh, I'm an optical
physicist by education.

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I have degree in applied
physics from a place

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called Caltech in
California, but not on

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a, what we call classical
optomechanical systems

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like rifle scopes.

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My field of expertise is
actually electronics, uh,

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image, sensors, cameras,
surveillance systems,

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targeting systems.

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I worked on things at
top in space flight

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and the drones,
that kind of stuff.

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I, when I was in
college, I purely by

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accident, uh, ended up
getting into guns and

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shooting mostly because
I don't handle failure.

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Very well.

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Friend of mine dragged me
out to a shooting range.

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We rented a gun that
fired five shots at

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the target from I
think, seven yards.

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Uh, another single shot
even touched the paper.

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Oh no.

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So I think I've mentioned
that I don't handle

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failure very well.

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So fast forward, 25
years here we are.

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But basically I started
shooting, right.

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I bought a hand gun.

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I bought a rifle.

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I bought a cheap
Chinese, uh, scope to

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put on that rifle and
it promptly fell apart.

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I hit the internet
looking for, uh,

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looking for information
and the stuff I got.

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It's a nice way
of saying this.

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Let's go with asinine.

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I think that's not
getting anybody

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to democratize.

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And here's the catch.

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I didn't know much of
anything about rifle

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school, but I had a good
background in optics.

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So I started digging,
took a couple apart,

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uh, bought a couple
here and there.

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And I started, uh,
talking about my

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impressions and
comparing optics and

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trying to explain
why everybody else is

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wrong and I'm right.

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Something that makes
me want to do that.

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Uh, but in this case,
most other people were

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wrong and I was right
for a simple reason

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that I did not approach
this from a shooter

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standpoint, I approached
it from a nerdy guy

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standpoint and that
was different enough.

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Uh, when the company
called as WFA op in

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Texas, they have a forum
called optic stock.

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That's where I
somehow landed

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purely by accident.

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Uh, they reached
out to me and said,

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Hey, um, we'll like
what you do with.

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And we will
offer you a deal.

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And the deal was
that whatever they

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had in stock, I was
able to purchase at a

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reasonable discount.

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So I could play with
it, do a review,

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sell it, sell it
and not lose money.

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And that's really
what got me into this.

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Okay.

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So you owe it all to
a significant degree

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to has WFM still
friendly with them.

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They're good people.

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And, um, I started
basically writing

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things up and it
went from there.

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I, uh, then at some
point I got tired

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of repeating myself
on different forums.

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So I started a website
where I could write

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this up a post it
and then link to it.

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And then I did another
website because

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I needed a better
blogging function.

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That's the download
of options.com.

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I started YouTube channel
purely by accident.

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Once again, after shot
show, I want you to

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talk into a camera to
record things while

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I remember them.

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And people started
watching that, so, okay.

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I'll have a
YouTube channel.

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Yeah.

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I and that at some point
I realized this is taking

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me a lot of time and
that it can be monetized.

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What was, I was trying
to figure out how to

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monetize had guns.

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And Emma came on, came
knocking and said,

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do you want to do
some writing for us?

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So I started writing
for guns and animals,

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especially in
just publications.

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And here we are, my
hobby became a side

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business and my wife
could no longer tell

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me to stop doing it
because it is a job.

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Right.

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Because a

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job.

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Yeah, I hear you.

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Well, w what is your
full business that you

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do?

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So for my day job, I
run a small company that

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builds electro-optical
test equipment, the

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types of things that
they use to test that

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characterize once again,
all the different optical

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systems I've mentioned
before, including rifle,

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scopes, among other
things, and lenses and

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cameras, uh, lots of,
lots of targeting systems

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would go on unmanned,
aerial vehicles, things

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like that, more or less.

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Anything that has
to do with optics

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or electronics.

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We do equipment to test
and make sense of it and

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in an odd sort of way.

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So I've spent a part of
my career, developing

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image, sensors, and
cameras and stuff like

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that for movies and also
for the military and

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probably an even larger,
even when I was doing

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that, a very significant
part of what I did was

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always test measurement
and characterization.

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So the specific niche
where I've always

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worked, wasn't trying to
understand and quantify

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how well things work.

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Right?

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So when I started, uh,
doing reviews and rifle,

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scopes, the mindset I had
was extremely applicable

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because I've spent my
entire professional

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career trying to figure
out how things work,

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whether they do what
they're supposed to,

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if not what is wrong,
and then verbalize it

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to non-technical people
who can tell the us

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from an album as far as
anything technical goes,

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that is what they did.

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Right now, when I say,
get Del DAS from an

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elbow, I'm not trying
to be derogatory.

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Right, right.

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They do other things
that I go to the stand.

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Sure.

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I spent the entirety
of my career sitting

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on this board a bit
with the technical and

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non-technical people
because they don't

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understand each other.

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And I translate and

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you're rushing background
will lend you to

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being very forthright.

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And so would say blunt in
your approach to relaying

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information, which

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is refreshing, that's
more of a personality

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than Russian background

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really well.

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I think a lot of
my Russian friends

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have the same
personality traits as

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yourself.

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I think that says
more about you than

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Russians, for sure.

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It,

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it very well may
be you select your

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friends, right.

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You know, show
me your friends.

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I'll show you
who you are.

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Right.

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Well, there you go.

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That's a spirit.

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Um, you also have
a patent out on.

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For image sensor,
combining high

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D dynamic range.

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I did some work with
HDR, high dynamic

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range imagers in the
best, but to be fair.

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So my patent, in that
case, just combined a

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few existing techniques
because we were trying to

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develop an image sensor
that would eventually be

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applicable for automotive
applications or something

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called ADAS or automated
driver assist systems.

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And that is a very
different, it's an

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imaging application,
but it's also sensing

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application because
you're trying to send

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the dangerous and you
will need image sensors

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that are able to see
both very dark and very

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bright, uh, parts of
this in simultaneously.

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Right?

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So that was an attempt
to do that to the

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best of my knowledge.

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Only one company is
currently using my

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patents because I
came up with it when I

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worked at somebody else,
they have the rights.

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Gotcha.

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Fair enough.

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So we were talking
a little bit off

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air about how.

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Relay your information
through the dark

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Lord optics, calm and
as well as YouTube.

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And if people were
to check one out or

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the over the other,
where would you prefer

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to see people going?

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Okay, well, this
becomes, this becomes

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a little bit of a
complicated question.

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YouTube is undoubtedly
a bigger audience, and

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I'm also the rumble and
all of those, right?

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So I tried to kind of
cross-pollinate the way

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the modern political
environment goes.

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I am assuming that at
some point, Facebook and

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YouTube will get rid of
all the people like me.

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They start with a bigger
channels, first budget

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monetizing and all that.

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Then they'll get to
the small fish like me.

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So dark Lord of
optics.com is hosted by

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a platform called locals.

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And that's sort of
the focal point of

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everything that.

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'cause, uh, it's a first
amendment friendly thing.

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I do talk about politics.

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And when I do that
on YouTube, they

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basically kill all
my videos, right.

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Because they
disagree with my,

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uh, political stance.

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Unlike the people at
YouTube, I used to live

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in the Soviet union.

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So my political stance
is extremely ambiguous.

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I don't want to clarify,
I don't want to live in

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a Soviet union again.

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I hear you.

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So locals basically has
everything that I do is

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converged on, uh, locals.

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But if you're trying
to find me, there's

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only one dark load of
optics, squid, literally.

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So search for dark, lot
of optics and all my

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different content pops

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up.

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How do you come
up with that name?

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The dark Lord of objects.

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Somebody

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called me that actually.

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Um, what was the
guy's name west?

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I think we were having
some sort of a profound,

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uh, argument on the
internet forum on optic.

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Right.

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And as one does, yeah,
this, this is going

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to sound very modest,
but you guys will

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have to forgive me.

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I don't lose
arguments about

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optics very much sure.

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For several reasons.

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Not because I'm that
good because I don't

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get into arguments that
I'm not going to win.

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Right, right.

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Uh, because I got to
choose my battles.

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Uh, Wes felt,

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and as argument gets
protracted, my natural

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dark sense of humor
and cynicism kind of

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float to the surface.

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Right.

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So fel west felt a little
bit wounded and came up

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with this dark Lord of
optics because I think

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he made it fellowship,
but he took it with a

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good sense of humor.

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And I thought it
was hilarious.

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And somebody else
started calling me

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that I said, oh yeah,
I'll just do that.

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So I don't have

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to, do you
remember what the

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argument was about?

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Yeah.

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And I can rifle sculps
um, Wes, uh, mark and I

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were, are getting mark.

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Uh, he, unfortunately
I'm still in touch

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with a guy, but he
kind of deleted most

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of his online presence.

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Uh, loved Nick
and rifle scopes.

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I did not like the
low-light before months

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of those, because
similar priced at the

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time Zeiss conquest was
better and where skim up

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with a dark Lord thing.

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And, uh, the other guy
says, you go descend into

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your a base, you know?

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Yeah.

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It is absolutely
great place to check

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low-light performance
and that's sort of how

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Steve rolled from there.

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We were all having
an absolute blast

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with it, with the.

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That's

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funny.

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So we were also talking
about any affiliations

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with any other optics
companies out there,

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and you made it very
clear that you aren't

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in order for you to be
able to do what you do.

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You're not directly
affiliated or sponsored

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through any, right.

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So I cannot be sponsored
by an optics company

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because I have to
remain unbiased.

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And the reason why people
listen to what I have

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to say in the subject
is that I am unbiased.

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I'm quite friendly with
good number of companies.

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And I rip them a new
one at one time or the

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other, and most of them
will take it like adults

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think it's instructive.

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Goodness.

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As men get better.

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Yeah.

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From a standpoint
of, uh, monetizing my

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presence on the web.

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I gave it a lot of time.

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So my YouTube channel
is monetized or though

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there's almost nothing
there since so many guns.

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He use D monetized.

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Uh, I do have some
affiliate accounts,

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but most of the larger
companies, like if I

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provide those into, let's
say brown, your Optech,

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I will make some small
sort of a commission,

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but then very particular,
I mostly deal with

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people who sell a large
variety of brands, right?

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They don't care to
commend and neither do I.

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The primary revenue
stream for me is

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actually a subscription
on my dark Lord of

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optics.com website.

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If you want to comment,
there is a small payroll

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and going forward, I
am planning to rely

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more on that than on
anything else, because

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that way my loyalty is
only to my audience.

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I don't owe anybody else.

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Anything.

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That's.

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So you lived in the
Soviet union up to what?

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Age?

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15.

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I came to United States
in 1991 and finished high

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school in California?

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No.

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Okay.

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So most of your
formidable years were

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spent over in the
Soviet union union?

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Yeah,

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the first major world
event I remember was

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a bridge near the
general secretary

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of the communist
party of the Soviet

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union dying in 1981.

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Then I was too busy
being an obnoxious kid.

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And then I remember
Chernobyl hit in 1986.

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And that was sort
of around the start

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of the Perestroika.

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My formative years
was essentially the

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collapse of Soviet union.

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Very memorable.

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Yeah, I'd say so
there's some definite

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lessons to be learned by
watching what happened.

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I don't

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know.

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I don't think we
learned them very well.

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Not looking at
what's happening

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now.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I'd have to say.

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Yeah, interesting
without delving too

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far into the, uh, the
political realm, but

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that's another
podcast right

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there.

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I think so.

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Yeah.

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You know, the Silvercore
Podcast, I started

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this as a way to share
positivity within

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the industry and to
highlight people who

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have a passion for what
they do and share that

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passion with others.

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And I have no problem
talking about different

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political things
that are going on.

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I always try to highlight
it with like, what, what

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can we do moving forward?

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Or what can we do in
a more positive light?

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Cause I don't know
too many problems that

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were solved just by
sitting in a basement

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and complaining
about them, that,

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um, health attitude,
the problem with talking

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about politics is it's,
uh, it, uh, soon enough

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all other conversations
stop, right?

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The only thing I can
say that's short and

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fundamental is it
stop trying to make

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the world better,
make yourself better?

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I like.

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I like the whole
problems start within.

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When you give up on
making yourself and

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people around you
better and start solving

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problems, you have
no reach or impact

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understanding of, and
that probably translates

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to the vast majority
of problems we have.

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Now.

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That's probably the most
concise I've ever heard.

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My fundamental thoughts
on the issue made.

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I don't think I could
have said that in such a

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short snippet, but that
is that's very true.

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The more you want to
change things that are

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happening outside, the
more you start applying

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your value structure
on to other people and

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putting your expectations
as to how it should

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be solved without
introspectively looking

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at how you can make
things better yourself.

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There's that, but
there's a lot, there's

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a lot more to it.

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Um, we have a drive
to feel good about.

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And then, uh, by that
same extension, it's

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much easier to feel
good about yourself.

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If there is no way to
evaluate whether you did

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anything good or not.

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And if you're protesting
global warming, poverty,

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monk, penguins, and
Antarctica, or something

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like that, do you feel
good by protesting, but

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there is no actionable
way to measure if you

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made the difference.

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So you get to
feel good without

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producing any results.

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The closer to you are
the things you're looking

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to change, improve,
whatever, use the word,

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the verb that agrees
with you, the more

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actionable things are.

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And the more likely you
are to be disappointed

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with your efforts.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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That's a good point.

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We should be doing
things that we can see,

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feel, and touch and be
ready to be disappointed

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because it'll make
her a better man.

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I like that.

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Well, let's talk
a little bit.

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Upticks.

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Let's talk about w
from a very broad,

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general sense.

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Cause I know we're going
to delve into this from

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a more technical aspect
of things in a future

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chat, but what are
some of the more common

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misconceptions in optics
that you hear you find?

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And that's, that's a
massive open question.

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Yeah, let's see.

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So there are a few
years ago started

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writing two books, one
of the politics, one

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on this rifle scopes,
and I've been kind of,

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I decided that instead
of publishing them, I'm

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going to convert them
to a bunch of essays.

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And that's one of
the things that goes

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out to my website
bit by bit times just

00:19:55.845 --> 00:19:56.745
started doing that.

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The biggest
single biggest,

00:20:02.025 --> 00:20:02.955
most fundamental.

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Problem is that, and
this is driven by rifle,

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scope, marketing, really
all by document, whatever

00:20:09.705 --> 00:20:12.524
else is that we spent
too much time worrying.

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What's inside that thing.

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What kind of lens it has,
what kind of coaching

00:20:16.635 --> 00:20:20.235
it has are, what kind
of metal it has, what

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kind of what, and these
are things that are

00:20:24.165 --> 00:20:27.675
easy to talk about,
but it's very hard to

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ascertain whether any
of that makes any real

00:20:29.385 --> 00:20:30.435
practical difference.

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If you really want one
concise thing, I think

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of a rifle scope or
binocular as a spotting

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scope as a black box,
something is going in,

00:20:42.705 --> 00:20:47.895
something's going out
how Ian it gets converted

00:20:47.895 --> 00:20:50.655
to our should not matter
to you as long as what

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comes out is good enough.

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Uh, so think, uh, and
this is, uh, once again,

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this, my background is,
uh, making some stuff.

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How do you test
a rifle scope?

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Take a rifle scope.

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You put a camera behind
it, you project some

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reasonable image at it.

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That's you know exactly
what you're projecting.

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You take a camera.

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Hopefully the camera
is very high quality

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so that it's not
corrupting the image.

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And you look at the
image that comes out.

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The image that comes out
is what matters, what

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the rifle scope does.

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There's a bunch of lenses
in there and all that.

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How exactly that
image gets massaged

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makes no difference.

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All of them phrase it,
it makes a difference.

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Makes no
difference to you.

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The details of what
happens is that

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they're intellectually
interesting.

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They're interesting.

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From a technical
standpoint, I can't

00:21:41.355 --> 00:21:44.625
explain most of them
to you in a way that we

00:21:44.625 --> 00:21:45.345
will truly understand.

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Now, you think you
understand that you

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don't, they're not that
difficult, but they

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really weird optics is
a very strange science

00:21:51.225 --> 00:21:54.045
because you can't really
touch and feel it right.

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Mechanical engineers
going to optics.

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It takes them a
couple of years to

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change their mind.

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Because you can use your
intuition does not work

00:22:01.950 --> 00:22:04.590
in optics if you are a
mechanical guy, right.

00:22:04.620 --> 00:22:07.230
Without some background,
but we all understand

00:22:07.230 --> 00:22:09.300
what an image is
because we all, or most

00:22:09.300 --> 00:22:11.580
of us, everybody who
uses the rifle scope

00:22:11.580 --> 00:22:13.860
has eyes and can see
let's talk about that.

00:22:13.860 --> 00:22:14.160
Right?

00:22:14.310 --> 00:22:14.610
Sure.

00:22:15.030 --> 00:22:16.470
And we all
understand what an

00:22:16.500 --> 00:22:18.030
image gets, right?

00:22:18.780 --> 00:22:20.610
That's this rifle
scope holds zero.

00:22:20.850 --> 00:22:23.190
Is the image pleasing
it, dealing with it

00:22:23.190 --> 00:22:25.410
by not colors, is
the image pleasing.

00:22:25.890 --> 00:22:27.060
Does it give
me a headache?

00:22:27.720 --> 00:22:30.240
You have to think
about it in terms of

00:22:30.870 --> 00:22:33.720
output, not in terms of
what's inside the box.

00:22:34.380 --> 00:22:35.070
Does that make sense?

00:22:35.430 --> 00:22:36.510
It totally makes sense.

00:22:36.600 --> 00:22:36.780
Yeah.

00:22:37.740 --> 00:22:39.150
So it would be
kind of like.

00:22:39.915 --> 00:22:41.355
Getting glasses, right.

00:22:41.895 --> 00:22:43.335
Prescription for
one person, I

00:22:43.335 --> 00:22:44.205
don't wear glasses.

00:22:44.205 --> 00:22:46.335
I put them on and they're
not going to work for me.

00:22:46.545 --> 00:22:48.465
So what could be
pleasing to my eyes or

00:22:48.465 --> 00:22:50.085
pleasing to somebody
else's eyes could be

00:22:50.085 --> 00:22:50.955
two very different

00:22:50.955 --> 00:22:51.165
things.

00:22:51.165 --> 00:22:51.795
It's rather simple.

00:22:52.245 --> 00:22:52.485
Yeah.

00:22:52.485 --> 00:22:53.475
There will be
some differences.

00:22:53.475 --> 00:22:53.685
Right?

00:22:54.105 --> 00:22:55.695
Uh, but you know, nice
rifle scopes will be

00:22:55.695 --> 00:22:57.015
nice for nearly everyone.

00:22:57.045 --> 00:22:59.505
They are designed for
a broad range of human

00:22:59.505 --> 00:23:02.595
eye conditions and the
IPS can adjust for it.

00:23:03.405 --> 00:23:05.655
But when you start
trying to figure out

00:23:05.655 --> 00:23:08.295
what exact kind of lens
material was used inside,

00:23:08.295 --> 00:23:09.945
and I see this all the
time, people on forums

00:23:09.945 --> 00:23:12.795
go, readopt something
on shot websites.

00:23:12.825 --> 00:23:13.275
Oh yeah.

00:23:13.275 --> 00:23:15.135
This rifle scope is
amazing because it uses

00:23:15.135 --> 00:23:16.575
this type of glass and
this type of glass or

00:23:16.585 --> 00:23:18.645
this type of glass,
absolute bullshit.

00:23:20.355 --> 00:23:22.515
You can barely spell
the word glass,

00:23:22.515 --> 00:23:23.295
not just the type.

00:23:23.655 --> 00:23:25.905
And it makes, and they
only think they know

00:23:25.905 --> 00:23:27.675
about it because somebody
told them, oh yeah.

00:23:27.675 --> 00:23:29.115
When you use this
glass, it's amazing

00:23:29.115 --> 00:23:30.105
ads nonsense.

00:23:30.615 --> 00:23:32.235
It's amazing when the
image that comes out

00:23:32.235 --> 00:23:33.015
of it as good that's.

00:23:34.050 --> 00:23:36.180
If it stays zeroed the
radicle doesn't move

00:23:36.180 --> 00:23:38.550
on the recoil and the
image is good enough for

00:23:38.550 --> 00:23:40.380
you to see really well
without eye fatigue.

00:23:40.410 --> 00:23:41.070
Then it's amazing.

00:23:42.510 --> 00:23:44.760
If somebody comes up
and is able to do this

00:23:44.760 --> 00:23:46.890
in a rifle scope with
every lens is made out

00:23:46.890 --> 00:23:48.480
of cheap plastic and
the image looks good,

00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:49.080
you should buy that.

00:23:49.080 --> 00:23:49.890
One's going
to be cheaper.

00:23:49.890 --> 00:23:51.450
And the images in
the image is good.

00:23:54.630 --> 00:23:56.040
Reticles moving.

00:23:56.610 --> 00:23:59.280
Do you find that
happening too often?

00:23:59.280 --> 00:24:00.450
And most modern
rifles skills.

00:24:00.450 --> 00:24:02.040
I know some older ones
that I've worked with.

00:24:02.040 --> 00:24:04.650
I see radical moving,
but those bottom

00:24:04.650 --> 00:24:05.580
ones seem to be meet.

00:24:06.060 --> 00:24:06.440
Yeah, pretty good.

00:24:06.440 --> 00:24:07.320
It depends on the price.

00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:12.120
The nice scopes are
they're robust, uh, some

00:24:12.120 --> 00:24:14.100
inexpensive scopes, not
so much, but then there's

00:24:14.100 --> 00:24:16.680
also always a sample
to sample variation.

00:24:16.680 --> 00:24:18.390
There's a, there are
quality control issues

00:24:19.320 --> 00:24:22.770
and you will find some
stuff that shifts around.

00:24:23.220 --> 00:24:25.490
You will also find things
that, uh, break in.

00:24:25.500 --> 00:24:28.530
I'll give you
an example of.

00:24:30.660 --> 00:24:34.380
Uh, vortex strike
Eagle five to 25 56.

00:24:34.380 --> 00:24:35.430
It's about self
harm bucks.

00:24:35.430 --> 00:24:37.080
So it's not a cheap
school, but not a

00:24:37.080 --> 00:24:38.760
very expensive one
by modern standards.

00:24:39.630 --> 00:24:44.160
Um, it's a nice scope
overall, but you know,

00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:46.620
whenever you think that
vortex, uh, a lot of

00:24:46.620 --> 00:24:49.590
people have accused me
of, uh, uh, getting, uh,

00:24:49.620 --> 00:24:51.600
preselected samples from
manufacturers, right.

00:24:51.840 --> 00:24:53.100
And tested to be good.

00:24:53.100 --> 00:24:55.290
And they are not always,
and also whenever I

00:24:55.290 --> 00:24:56.730
recommend the scope,
then I get my hands

00:24:56.730 --> 00:24:58.470
on a few more that
who bought through

00:24:58.470 --> 00:25:00.060
retail channels and
double-check, but then

00:25:00.060 --> 00:25:02.040
you have, so vortex sends
me this strike giggle.

00:25:02.400 --> 00:25:04.590
I start doing a tracking
test and I'm adjusting

00:25:04.590 --> 00:25:05.520
vertical tracking.

00:25:05.820 --> 00:25:07.650
And when I'm two meals
up, the radical moves

00:25:07.650 --> 00:25:10.800
left, I go three meals up
and it comes back and the

00:25:10.800 --> 00:25:11.850
regional adjustment line.

00:25:11.850 --> 00:25:12.060
Right.

00:25:12.750 --> 00:25:13.620
Oh, interesting.

00:25:14.130 --> 00:25:17.700
And, uh, that's
where it helps.

00:25:17.700 --> 00:25:18.570
I know how it's built.

00:25:18.600 --> 00:25:19.770
There is a pressure
pad that sits in

00:25:19.770 --> 00:25:20.340
the rector tube.

00:25:20.370 --> 00:25:21.930
They must've been in the
non-uniformity there.

00:25:21.930 --> 00:25:24.120
So I sit in front of
the computer and spent

00:25:24.120 --> 00:25:26.010
10 minutes twisting
journals, uh, charity.

00:25:27.600 --> 00:25:29.580
And this deviation
goes away, but the

00:25:29.580 --> 00:25:30.389
reticle did move.

00:25:30.479 --> 00:25:33.240
And if you did not spend
the time figuring out

00:25:33.419 --> 00:25:36.810
what it actually does,
and you decided to go

00:25:36.810 --> 00:25:40.050
shoot the competition
with it when adjusting

00:25:40.050 --> 00:25:42.419
to mills your radical
jump left half a mil.

00:25:44.370 --> 00:25:45.270
That's interesting.

00:25:45.270 --> 00:25:49.409
So I've never actually,
so I'll do a scope

00:25:49.439 --> 00:25:52.530
break-in which for me
really is just me turning

00:25:52.530 --> 00:25:55.020
the turrets on the thing,
counting how far it goes

00:25:55.020 --> 00:25:56.550
and checking it out.

00:25:56.580 --> 00:25:58.199
That's about all I
do when I break in a

00:25:58.209 --> 00:25:58.949
scope, I don't know.

00:25:59.760 --> 00:26:01.919
Is there much more,
that really goes

00:26:01.919 --> 00:26:03.000
into that process?

00:26:04.050 --> 00:26:04.469
Yeah.

00:26:04.469 --> 00:26:06.270
You'll have to S you
have to look where the

00:26:06.270 --> 00:26:08.370
point what's happens
to the point of, uh,

00:26:08.729 --> 00:26:10.830
aim and point of impact
when you do this.

00:26:11.280 --> 00:26:11.459
Right.

00:26:11.879 --> 00:26:12.750
So, okay.

00:26:12.840 --> 00:26:16.219
I took that as the
logical step within the,

00:26:16.219 --> 00:26:18.330
the, the twisting and
turning up and down.

00:26:18.510 --> 00:26:19.110
So I

00:26:19.139 --> 00:26:20.490
do this thing.

00:26:23.145 --> 00:26:25.695
Uh, that is sort of
the first thing I do

00:26:25.695 --> 00:26:28.095
with a lot of scopes,
eh, because it gives

00:26:28.095 --> 00:26:31.995
me a good idea of, uh,
uh, if I'm going to

00:26:31.995 --> 00:26:33.705
other, if there are any
obvious problems, right?

00:26:33.705 --> 00:26:35.655
That's subtle problems,
but are there any

00:26:35.655 --> 00:26:36.405
obits problems?

00:26:37.274 --> 00:26:40.155
Um, uh, zero it, right.

00:26:40.155 --> 00:26:43.034
I get excited and get
some ammo and uncle

00:26:43.034 --> 00:26:45.044
always could use some,
uh, bench practice.

00:26:45.044 --> 00:26:47.895
Anyway, I do this from
bench approach, shorter

00:26:47.895 --> 00:26:50.564
round adjust, one mil
up, shoot another round,

00:26:50.564 --> 00:26:53.625
one mil up, shoot another
round until I essentially

00:26:53.625 --> 00:26:54.435
run out of paper.

00:26:54.524 --> 00:26:57.435
Every one meal, every two
meals I get to the top.

00:26:57.435 --> 00:26:58.665
Then I just
done one bill.

00:26:58.665 --> 00:27:00.345
And every time I make
one shot, I go up

00:27:00.345 --> 00:27:01.455
and down a few times.

00:27:01.935 --> 00:27:04.004
So every morning the
region I end up with a

00:27:04.004 --> 00:27:06.284
three or five or four,
whatever amount of am

00:27:06.284 --> 00:27:07.935
I head shot groups.

00:27:10.004 --> 00:27:12.435
If I did my part, and
this is once again,

00:27:12.435 --> 00:27:14.085
this is also my
shooting practice Eve.

00:27:14.115 --> 00:27:15.075
I did my part.

00:27:15.075 --> 00:27:19.335
I should have roughly the
same size group lined up

00:27:19.365 --> 00:27:20.235
vertically one minute.

00:27:22.470 --> 00:27:22.890
Okay.

00:27:22.950 --> 00:27:25.080
What does does, um,
sometimes adjustments

00:27:25.080 --> 00:27:26.580
have histories as
meaning adjustment

00:27:26.610 --> 00:27:29.130
op is not the same as
adjustment down older

00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:30.060
scopes did this a lot.

00:27:30.060 --> 00:27:31.440
You adjust, then
you shoot them that

00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:32.160
settles a little bit.

00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:33.330
It moves, right.

00:27:33.600 --> 00:27:34.290
And you will scopes.

00:27:34.310 --> 00:27:36.240
Don't do this as much,
but I do run into this.

00:27:37.050 --> 00:27:39.510
Uh, I do run into this
occasionally, right?

00:27:39.510 --> 00:27:41.430
So it tells me what
happens when you adjust

00:27:41.460 --> 00:27:43.740
up, tells me what happens
when you just down.

00:27:44.070 --> 00:27:45.990
It tells me if there
any lateral wandering,

00:27:46.020 --> 00:27:48.630
and that does
happen, not just with

00:27:48.630 --> 00:27:49.470
vortex strike Eagle.

00:27:49.470 --> 00:27:51.540
I've seen this with a few
scopes here and there.

00:27:51.630 --> 00:27:54.720
Um, it kind of gives
me an idea of what

00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:55.260
I'm dealing with.

00:27:55.290 --> 00:27:57.900
If, if the scope passes
this with flying colors,

00:27:58.350 --> 00:28:00.450
I'm unlikely to run
into mechanical issues.

00:28:01.860 --> 00:28:02.190
Right?

00:28:02.310 --> 00:28:03.600
So that's sort of
the first thing

00:28:03.600 --> 00:28:06.870
that I do because it
gives me a lot of.

00:28:07.665 --> 00:28:09.495
Different things any
directly translates

00:28:09.495 --> 00:28:10.455
into the way I should.

00:28:10.755 --> 00:28:12.675
What I normally should
almost never dial

00:28:12.675 --> 00:28:15.615
for when I called
for window elevation.

00:28:16.035 --> 00:28:18.765
So work out the elevation
church, quite thoroughly,

00:28:18.765 --> 00:28:20.865
the windage store at
NAVAIR don't care.

00:28:21.745 --> 00:28:24.555
I check it because other
people want me to, but

00:28:24.765 --> 00:28:27.435
the way I shoot other
than zeroing and never

00:28:27.435 --> 00:28:28.395
touched the windage dirt.

00:28:29.175 --> 00:28:29.835
Interesting.

00:28:30.615 --> 00:28:34.695
Not even from making
compensation for a spin

00:28:34.695 --> 00:28:35.805
at diff at distance,

00:28:36.405 --> 00:28:38.025
no bullet dredges,
the reticle holes.

00:28:38.805 --> 00:28:39.255
Okay.

00:28:40.005 --> 00:28:41.325
So I prefer, well, okay.

00:28:41.385 --> 00:28:43.305
Assuming electrical I'm
using cards, reticle

00:28:43.305 --> 00:28:44.335
holds for it, but yes.

00:28:45.945 --> 00:28:48.345
Well what, what's
the preferred F and

00:28:48.345 --> 00:28:50.165
everyone's got opinions
on this, right there

00:28:50.175 --> 00:28:52.155
would they like, as
their preferred, uh,

00:28:52.185 --> 00:28:53.595
radical that they're
going to be used.

00:28:53.595 --> 00:28:55.605
Some people just
love the full-on

00:28:55.605 --> 00:28:58.215
grid or a Christmas
tree, you or some

00:28:58.215 --> 00:28:59.625
people want something
that's really fine.

00:28:59.745 --> 00:29:00.975
W what do you
like, what do you

00:29:00.975 --> 00:29:01.815
typically like to see?

00:29:02.385 --> 00:29:04.215
Well, so I'm very
fortunate in a sense

00:29:04.215 --> 00:29:06.425
that I occasionally
designed radicals for.

00:29:07.335 --> 00:29:09.105
So I get to use the
radicals that I like

00:29:09.115 --> 00:29:09.945
because I designed them.

00:29:10.485 --> 00:29:10.965
Awesome.

00:29:11.085 --> 00:29:14.865
Um, a good example of the
type of radical I like.

00:29:15.764 --> 00:29:17.475
And so in every
new design I do is

00:29:17.475 --> 00:29:18.314
slightly different.

00:29:18.314 --> 00:29:20.235
They all kind of carry
some of the same themes,

00:29:20.235 --> 00:29:22.425
but then I look at the
market response, use

00:29:22.425 --> 00:29:23.325
it to change something.

00:29:24.135 --> 00:29:25.995
A couple of years ago,
I designed a heretical

00:29:25.995 --> 00:29:28.155
for a company called
March, uh, scopes.

00:29:28.514 --> 00:29:30.314
It's a nice high-end
Japanese company,

00:29:30.645 --> 00:29:33.975
the radicals called
F M L T R one.

00:29:34.725 --> 00:29:35.054
Okay.

00:29:35.175 --> 00:29:38.235
So it's a tree type
reticle, uh, cause a

00:29:38.235 --> 00:29:41.625
slightly more prominent
primary aiming point,

00:29:41.625 --> 00:29:43.544
you know, kind of
seduction in the center.

00:29:43.905 --> 00:29:45.375
And then a lot of
people like I don't

00:29:45.375 --> 00:29:46.485
like ultra small dots.

00:29:46.485 --> 00:29:47.804
I think they
disappeared a little

00:29:47.804 --> 00:29:50.175
bit too easily against
complex backgrounds.

00:29:51.105 --> 00:29:54.405
It does have a tree,
but I sized that tree so

00:29:54.405 --> 00:29:57.495
that when you're below
10, 11 power essentially

00:29:57.495 --> 00:30:00.675
disappears, it looks like
a much simpler reticle.

00:30:01.215 --> 00:30:02.115
Interesting.

00:30:02.294 --> 00:30:04.935
So I made the tree
fairly thin, so it's

00:30:04.935 --> 00:30:05.895
quite unobtrusive.

00:30:07.679 --> 00:30:09.540
I like three radicals.

00:30:09.719 --> 00:30:11.879
I liked some abbreviated
grid radicals.

00:30:11.939 --> 00:30:15.840
Um, I don't like ho so
they could essentially

00:30:15.840 --> 00:30:18.300
three radicals are the
Horace radicals, right?

00:30:18.510 --> 00:30:20.370
They're basically
a mosquito net

00:30:20.370 --> 00:30:22.979
designers were dream
and mostly useless.

00:30:23.040 --> 00:30:27.240
Um, there's, I've
done videos on this.

00:30:27.629 --> 00:30:29.760
If you want to, that's
a separate conversation.

00:30:29.820 --> 00:30:31.530
There is a ton of things
that are wrong with them.

00:30:31.530 --> 00:30:33.570
The guy who convinced
the us military to use

00:30:33.570 --> 00:30:36.750
them as a world-class
snake oil salesman and,

00:30:36.780 --> 00:30:41.639
uh, most chorus designs,
in my opinion, take a

00:30:41.639 --> 00:30:44.070
good idea and then extend
it to the point where

00:30:44.070 --> 00:30:44.909
it becomes a bad idea.

00:30:45.870 --> 00:30:46.429
Interesting.

00:30:46.590 --> 00:30:48.780
Want a good grid
type radical

00:30:48.780 --> 00:30:49.830
Schmidt and vendors.

00:30:49.860 --> 00:30:52.919
G R  is a good example.

00:30:53.540 --> 00:30:54.600
I did some very
clever thing.

00:30:55.590 --> 00:30:57.570
Once again, the
radical detail, radical

00:30:57.570 --> 00:31:00.510
discussion as a whole
video, but I basically

00:31:00.510 --> 00:31:03.750
like somewhat compact
three, three agreed type

00:31:03.750 --> 00:31:05.940
radicals where on lower
magnifications the three

00:31:05.940 --> 00:31:09.030
other grade essentially
fade out and you rather

00:31:09.030 --> 00:31:09.720
than distraction.

00:31:10.860 --> 00:31:11.280
Got it.

00:31:11.280 --> 00:31:14.010
And would that be your
biggest, uh, negative

00:31:14.010 --> 00:31:16.080
point that you see
about a horse style?

00:31:16.080 --> 00:31:17.850
Radical is just that it's
just too distracting.

00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:19.180
Uh,

00:31:19.180 --> 00:31:20.760
oh no, God, no, that's
just the beginning.

00:31:20.909 --> 00:31:24.030
Um, uh, several, uh,
several, if you want

00:31:24.030 --> 00:31:24.690
to go there now.

00:31:25.050 --> 00:31:25.409
Sure.

00:31:25.990 --> 00:31:26.639
I want to hear

00:31:26.879 --> 00:31:33.300
so when you design a
reticle, what are you

00:31:33.300 --> 00:31:34.830
looking to achieve?

00:31:35.250 --> 00:31:36.120
What are trying to get?

00:31:36.120 --> 00:31:37.800
What kind of
functionality are

00:31:37.800 --> 00:31:38.730
you looking to build?

00:31:39.149 --> 00:31:41.340
And the catches you
have to build in all

00:31:41.340 --> 00:31:45.240
the functionality that
you need and none of

00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:46.129
the functionality that.

00:31:48.135 --> 00:31:50.774
And once again, that's
a, I like these simple,

00:31:50.805 --> 00:31:52.514
somewhat from the
mental phrases in case

00:31:52.725 --> 00:31:53.415
you didn't notice.

00:31:54.045 --> 00:31:54.315
Right.

00:31:54.345 --> 00:31:58.004
Uh, try to define it's
a fundamental principle

00:31:58.004 --> 00:31:59.325
in the short way.

00:31:59.325 --> 00:32:02.085
And this is the most
fundamental thing I can

00:32:02.085 --> 00:32:06.254
say about radicals in
your long range shooting.

00:32:06.284 --> 00:32:08.385
How many times have you
used the radical to hold

00:32:08.385 --> 00:32:09.885
30 Millar agent holdover?

00:32:10.485 --> 00:32:10.905
I haven't.

00:32:12.675 --> 00:32:16.365
So why do so many chorus
radicals, extended grid

00:32:16.665 --> 00:32:18.975
all the way down to
the Logan notification

00:32:18.975 --> 00:32:20.445
that just looks, it
looks like mosquito net

00:32:20.805 --> 00:32:22.065
30, 40 million agenda.

00:32:22.845 --> 00:32:23.625
That's a good point.

00:32:24.405 --> 00:32:26.385
Probably from a marketing
standpoint, central

00:32:27.075 --> 00:32:28.245
market's great.

00:32:28.274 --> 00:32:30.315
All them Monday
night quarterbacks

00:32:30.315 --> 00:32:30.945
in bold ninjas.

00:32:30.945 --> 00:32:31.365
Look at us.

00:32:31.425 --> 00:32:32.235
Oh yeah.

00:32:32.264 --> 00:32:34.784
I can shoot a testicle
off of, uh, off of a

00:32:34.784 --> 00:32:36.975
mosque oxides in Alaska
while I'm an Oregon,

00:32:37.034 --> 00:32:43.455
you know, it's does
not need to be there.

00:32:43.545 --> 00:32:46.050
And it is district,
you know, Since then

00:32:46.080 --> 00:32:47.760
they'll put a normal
rifle, scopes, a virtual

00:32:47.760 --> 00:32:49.530
or rifle, scopes have
some sort of distortion

00:32:49.530 --> 00:32:51.030
as you start going
away from the center.

00:32:51.389 --> 00:32:53.250
And you're kind of like
setting for the edges and

00:32:53.250 --> 00:32:54.030
the centers different.

00:32:54.780 --> 00:32:56.969
We all dial it in for
the center, right?

00:32:57.000 --> 00:32:59.669
Not want to use the
radical holes that

00:32:59.669 --> 00:33:01.469
would require different
paradox compensation.

00:33:02.820 --> 00:33:03.729
That's a good point.

00:33:03.990 --> 00:33:05.459
We want to be aiming
that far away from

00:33:05.459 --> 00:33:06.990
the center, right?

00:33:07.050 --> 00:33:09.899
Practical terms that
the 50 million radio for

00:33:09.899 --> 00:33:13.379
most schools, it varies
from school to school.

00:33:14.459 --> 00:33:17.510
And when you move you're
on loan modification

00:33:17.520 --> 00:33:19.649
and exit people as big,
when you move your eyes

00:33:19.679 --> 00:33:21.540
behind the scope, you
will see all the edges

00:33:21.540 --> 00:33:23.520
kind of swim and distort
like almost like a,

00:33:23.520 --> 00:33:25.290
um, fishbowl effect.

00:33:25.350 --> 00:33:25.649
Right?

00:33:25.740 --> 00:33:26.280
Right.

00:33:27.330 --> 00:33:30.209
Notice that that
stuff is there.

00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:32.550
That effect is not
particularly distracting.

00:33:32.790 --> 00:33:34.800
Unless some income
Pope decided to extend

00:33:34.800 --> 00:33:36.419
his reticle all the
way to the edges.

00:33:36.419 --> 00:33:38.459
And now the lines of the
radical it's supposed

00:33:38.459 --> 00:33:41.639
to be straight, all
look like waving crap.

00:33:41.820 --> 00:33:42.270
Right.

00:33:42.270 --> 00:33:43.379
And you will see
nothing else.

00:33:43.379 --> 00:33:43.860
You will just be like.

00:33:44.835 --> 00:33:45.195
Right.

00:33:45.675 --> 00:33:46.005
Okay.

00:33:46.035 --> 00:33:47.085
That is distracting.

00:33:47.775 --> 00:33:47.985
Yeah.

00:33:48.675 --> 00:33:50.805
When you are taking
a quick glance at

00:33:50.805 --> 00:33:52.965
heretical, there has to
be center primary aiming

00:33:52.965 --> 00:33:54.675
point, and your eye has
to be drawn to that.

00:33:55.365 --> 00:33:57.375
When you look through
a Horus radical Egypt

00:33:57.395 --> 00:34:00.525
denied tremor three,
or God forbid, tremor

00:34:00.525 --> 00:34:04.485
five, uh, when you
glance at it, where's

00:34:04.485 --> 00:34:05.535
the primary aiming point.

00:34:06.585 --> 00:34:07.845
What's somewhere
in there.

00:34:08.145 --> 00:34:08.534
Right?

00:34:09.105 --> 00:34:09.335
Right.

00:34:09.495 --> 00:34:13.245
Where when you haven't
slept for 36 hours,

00:34:13.245 --> 00:34:15.255
can you pick it
out in one glance?

00:34:16.605 --> 00:34:17.025
You can't.

00:34:18.014 --> 00:34:19.275
No, it's, it's a little

00:34:19.275 --> 00:34:19.755
bit of surgeon.

00:34:20.775 --> 00:34:21.075
Okay.

00:34:21.105 --> 00:34:21.405
Correct.

00:34:21.405 --> 00:34:24.255
So you want and
low magnification.

00:34:24.284 --> 00:34:26.325
So when you are
using, and then on

00:34:26.325 --> 00:34:26.865
top of it, right.

00:34:27.195 --> 00:34:29.699
So if you're shooting far
away and it requires 20

00:34:29.699 --> 00:34:33.045
million agent of holdover
or whatever else, okay.

00:34:33.105 --> 00:34:35.505
You're probably going
to be on somewhat high

00:34:35.505 --> 00:34:37.514
magnification, except
with the, if you're

00:34:37.514 --> 00:34:39.345
trying to do 20 million
region with a radical,

00:34:39.525 --> 00:34:41.205
you have to dial
back on magnification

00:34:41.205 --> 00:34:42.855
because when you
made the Reginald.

00:34:43.875 --> 00:34:44.324
Right.

00:34:44.654 --> 00:34:46.604
So why is it there?

00:34:47.234 --> 00:34:48.734
And if you're trying
to keep the unification

00:34:48.734 --> 00:34:51.314
comparatively high,
so you just see the

00:34:51.314 --> 00:34:53.384
20 million radiant
holdover point, you're

00:34:53.415 --> 00:34:55.455
aiming with the edge
of the field of view.

00:34:57.014 --> 00:34:58.904
How are you going to spot
something if you missed?

00:34:58.904 --> 00:35:00.674
And I guarantee if you
are doing 20 million

00:35:00.674 --> 00:35:02.895
region of holdover, that
is a really good chance.

00:35:02.895 --> 00:35:04.995
You cannot miss and
have to correct.

00:35:05.785 --> 00:35:07.575
See that in the edge
of your rifle scope.

00:35:07.814 --> 00:35:08.055
No.

00:35:08.055 --> 00:35:09.285
So you'd have to
drop a notification

00:35:09.285 --> 00:35:09.884
even further.

00:35:10.274 --> 00:35:10.634
Right?

00:35:10.964 --> 00:35:13.575
Right now, everything
is waving distorted, and

00:35:13.575 --> 00:35:17.745
you could don't see your
target as well because

00:35:17.745 --> 00:35:19.455
you got gaming with the
wrong part of the image,

00:35:20.024 --> 00:35:21.314
scope manufacturers
and Ms.

00:35:21.325 --> 00:35:21.884
Love you.

00:35:22.814 --> 00:35:28.325
Oh, so you brought
up a term, which, uh,

00:35:29.055 --> 00:35:30.705
people who've used
rifle scopes will

00:35:30.705 --> 00:35:32.504
understand some people
who might be getting

00:35:32.504 --> 00:35:33.404
into it might not be.

00:35:33.404 --> 00:35:35.714
You talk about
parallax now.

00:35:36.765 --> 00:35:40.485
Uh, On the side of
some scopes, you're

00:35:40.485 --> 00:35:41.925
going to have a
parallax adjustment.

00:35:41.955 --> 00:35:44.115
And some people will call
that they're focusing on.

00:35:44.355 --> 00:35:46.035
They say, Hey, I just
bring it into focus.

00:35:46.035 --> 00:35:47.265
And some people say,
no, no, no, it's a,

00:35:47.425 --> 00:35:48.525
it's a parallax thing.

00:35:49.145 --> 00:35:51.765
I've heard some say
you have to gently

00:35:51.765 --> 00:35:53.595
move your head back and
forth and watch that

00:35:53.595 --> 00:35:55.305
reticle to see where
it's moving in, adjust

00:35:55.305 --> 00:35:58.005
that parallax knob until
the radical deviates,

00:35:58.005 --> 00:36:00.075
the least amount, which
is difficult without

00:36:00.075 --> 00:36:04.095
inducing other movement
on the, um, on the scope.

00:36:04.095 --> 00:36:05.835
And some people
say if it's in

00:36:05.835 --> 00:36:06.735
focus, you're good.

00:36:07.245 --> 00:36:09.945
Uh, what, what are
your thoughts about,

00:36:11.025 --> 00:36:11.835
uh, yes.

00:36:11.835 --> 00:36:14.505
And all of the above, uh,
depends on what you're

00:36:14.505 --> 00:36:16.365
looking to do depending
on how big of a target

00:36:16.365 --> 00:36:19.965
you're shooting, uh,
site focus or paradox,

00:36:19.965 --> 00:36:20.895
not easy to focus.

00:36:20.895 --> 00:36:23.265
Knob rifle scope
has three optical

00:36:23.265 --> 00:36:23.955
systems in it.

00:36:23.985 --> 00:36:25.875
Objective,
erector and IPS.

00:36:26.535 --> 00:36:26.715
Right?

00:36:26.745 --> 00:36:28.275
There are two focal
planes front for

00:36:28.275 --> 00:36:30.285
co-parents second
focal plane for

00:36:30.285 --> 00:36:31.035
most long range.

00:36:31.065 --> 00:36:34.275
Precision scopes these
days, uh, in front of

00:36:34.275 --> 00:36:35.325
focal plane, clearly.

00:36:36.810 --> 00:36:38.710
Uh, so let's say you
have your reticle in the

00:36:38.710 --> 00:36:40.740
front focal plane and
it's fixed to the front

00:36:40.740 --> 00:36:45.089
of your Eretria tube
and it's fixed in place.

00:36:45.210 --> 00:36:47.230
It been scores up and
down when you adjusted

00:36:47.430 --> 00:36:49.259
with a digitalization,
but front back it's

00:36:49.259 --> 00:36:50.040
fixed in place.

00:36:50.850 --> 00:36:53.490
The way optics work, the
objective of the rifle

00:36:53.490 --> 00:36:55.350
scope is kind of like
a camera lens, right?

00:36:55.920 --> 00:37:00.029
When you're looking at
an object, let's say a

00:37:00.029 --> 00:37:02.430
hundred yards away, the
objective creates an

00:37:02.460 --> 00:37:04.920
image at a particular
spot behind it.

00:37:05.700 --> 00:37:08.370
We want that spot to be
where the reticle is, so

00:37:08.370 --> 00:37:10.560
that the image created,
but objective as a super

00:37:10.560 --> 00:37:11.640
imposed on the radical.

00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:12.750
Okay.

00:37:13.020 --> 00:37:15.000
So you adjust your
side, focus, snob

00:37:15.299 --> 00:37:15.930
and what it does.

00:37:15.930 --> 00:37:17.730
It moves the image
that's generated by the

00:37:17.730 --> 00:37:19.230
objective lens, front
and back a little bit

00:37:19.740 --> 00:37:20.580
for enough movement.

00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:21.299
Okay.

00:37:23.069 --> 00:37:25.230
Now you've switched
and you're looking

00:37:25.230 --> 00:37:28.620
at something that
is 500 yards away.

00:37:28.680 --> 00:37:30.000
And when you look
at something that's

00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:30.569
further away.

00:37:31.259 --> 00:37:33.580
If you did not adjust
your site focus,

00:37:33.580 --> 00:37:35.550
snob or whichever
focusing method, you

00:37:35.550 --> 00:37:38.130
have the image more
forward a little bit.

00:37:38.340 --> 00:37:40.230
It's no longer
superimposed the reticle.

00:37:40.500 --> 00:37:42.660
And now when you
move your head, the

00:37:42.660 --> 00:37:44.190
radical superimposed
on the image.

00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:47.130
Okay.

00:37:47.160 --> 00:37:48.810
So focus in
parallax adjustment

00:37:48.840 --> 00:37:50.970
are functionally
the same thing.

00:37:50.970 --> 00:37:53.370
So then you go to your
site, focus now and

00:37:53.370 --> 00:37:56.370
adjust that very slightly
and it physically moves

00:37:56.370 --> 00:37:58.770
location that image
and superimposes on

00:37:58.770 --> 00:38:01.050
the superimposes, that
image and the reticle.

00:38:01.050 --> 00:38:04.830
Again, you with me 100%.

00:38:05.130 --> 00:38:05.580
Excellent.

00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:07.830
All of that works
if you just did

00:38:07.830 --> 00:38:08.790
the IPS correctly,

00:38:09.780 --> 00:38:10.470
right?

00:38:11.400 --> 00:38:11.759
Okay.

00:38:12.210 --> 00:38:16.530
So the site focus,
essentially it just the

00:38:16.530 --> 00:38:18.930
objective lens or the
rifle scope to super

00:38:18.930 --> 00:38:22.320
impose the image on the
radicle while the IPS

00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:23.940
focus, adjust everything.

00:38:23.940 --> 00:38:26.910
That's uh, everything
is behind the radicle

00:38:27.390 --> 00:38:30.300
sorter so that your art.

00:38:31.200 --> 00:38:32.700
Is looking at the
spot where the

00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:33.720
radicalism focus.

00:38:34.200 --> 00:38:34.680
Right.

00:38:35.130 --> 00:38:35.460
Okay.

00:38:35.730 --> 00:38:38.640
Did you have, you have to
set up your IPS correctly

00:38:38.640 --> 00:38:41.010
and there is a couple
of methods to do that.

00:38:41.640 --> 00:38:44.820
If your IP is set up
correctly, from the

00:38:44.820 --> 00:38:48.180
standpoint of the
site focused dirt, the

00:38:48.180 --> 00:38:50.550
sharpest you mentioned
was Al will also be the

00:38:50.550 --> 00:38:52.260
one that's superimposed
in the radical, you

00:38:52.260 --> 00:38:53.550
know, we'll give
you minimal paradox.

00:38:55.490 --> 00:38:55.970
I love it.

00:38:56.390 --> 00:38:58.640
So when people talk
about a parallax free

00:38:58.640 --> 00:39:00.980
scope, there's no such
thing would there be,

00:39:02.860 --> 00:39:04.610
or I guess if it's at
a set distance, you

00:39:04.610 --> 00:39:06.050
could say everything
at this distance.

00:39:06.230 --> 00:39:06.440
Yeah.

00:39:06.750 --> 00:39:06.980
So

00:39:06.980 --> 00:39:08.990
you can say that,
um, some scopes

00:39:08.990 --> 00:39:11.810
will have very high,
uh, depth of field.

00:39:12.410 --> 00:39:12.740
Okay.

00:39:13.160 --> 00:39:13.490
Right.

00:39:13.550 --> 00:39:15.260
The greatest depth
of field of any

00:39:15.260 --> 00:39:16.550
conventional rifle scope.

00:39:16.550 --> 00:39:20.900
I know all of you as a
Canadian should be proud.

00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:25.580
Uh, what the hell
is that thing?

00:39:29.790 --> 00:39:30.660
Tangent theater.

00:39:30.810 --> 00:39:32.970
I had a couple of them
here just a moment ago.

00:39:33.770 --> 00:39:33.930
Good.

00:39:33.930 --> 00:39:34.860
Old hands and feta.

00:39:35.730 --> 00:39:41.100
Uh, you day like
misplace a $5,000 school.

00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:49.200
So here's a tangent data.

00:39:49.380 --> 00:39:51.990
Five to 25 by 56 is
cause the greatest depth

00:39:51.990 --> 00:39:52.800
of field of them all.

00:39:54.240 --> 00:39:57.810
Interestingly, uh,
interestingly, when

00:39:57.810 --> 00:39:59.430
the score has very high
depth, the field, it's

00:39:59.430 --> 00:40:02.640
actually harder to figure
out where that focus

00:40:02.640 --> 00:40:05.430
is perfect, but now the
are was, is not going

00:40:05.430 --> 00:40:07.350
to be very large the
way it's, uh, the way

00:40:07.350 --> 00:40:08.250
this thing is designed.

00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:09.300
Okay.

00:40:09.330 --> 00:40:11.790
If you're shooting bench
rest, you need it to be

00:40:11.790 --> 00:40:12.960
perfectly dialed out.

00:40:13.710 --> 00:40:18.300
If you're shooting
objects of finite size,

00:40:18.510 --> 00:40:19.680
let's say metal plates.

00:40:20.130 --> 00:40:21.480
That's not what we're
talking about, but

00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:22.380
let's say metal plates.

00:40:23.730 --> 00:40:26.240
Uh, your error is
likely to be with it.

00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:27.689
Okay.

00:40:28.140 --> 00:40:30.089
So for example, with all
that, my danger dangerous

00:40:30.089 --> 00:40:31.980
that I use, and I use a
lot of different scopes.

00:40:31.980 --> 00:40:34.439
So when you see if you
in front of me behind

00:40:34.439 --> 00:40:36.899
me, I mean, I'm doing
a comparison right

00:40:36.899 --> 00:40:40.259
now on some fancy
50 millimeter scopes

00:40:41.970 --> 00:40:43.620
who we grow.

00:40:44.129 --> 00:40:45.040
There's a
couple of bucks.

00:40:45.060 --> 00:40:45.359
Hey,

00:40:46.259 --> 00:40:50.250
uh, that's about 20 grand
on a truck to drop that.

00:40:51.450 --> 00:40:51.870
That's okay.

00:40:51.890 --> 00:40:52.830
On the one of
them is mine.

00:40:57.450 --> 00:40:57.810
Hold on.

00:40:58.049 --> 00:40:58.500
There we go.

00:40:58.890 --> 00:40:59.460
For the list.

00:40:59.460 --> 00:41:02.490
As you can see this,
uh, Ilya just held up

00:41:02.490 --> 00:41:03.779
a bar with what was it?

00:41:03.899 --> 00:41:04.169
Was there a

00:41:04.169 --> 00:41:04.830
seven on there?

00:41:04.890 --> 00:41:07.890
Six rifles, scopes,
tangent theater, us

00:41:07.890 --> 00:41:11.370
optics, Steiner, Schmidt,
them bander March.

00:41:11.669 --> 00:41:13.620
And did all, this is
the religious direction.

00:41:13.620 --> 00:41:14.220
The rifle scope.

00:41:14.580 --> 00:41:14.850
Yeah.

00:41:15.930 --> 00:41:17.609
Zeiss is supposed
to becoming shorter

00:41:18.450 --> 00:41:21.000
when you deal
with that much.

00:41:21.120 --> 00:41:21.210
Oh

00:41:21.210 --> 00:41:21.720
yeah.

00:41:21.750 --> 00:41:23.189
Uh, I just sent
one back there.

00:41:24.135 --> 00:41:26.535
Yeah, but anyhow, so
to get back to their

00:41:26.535 --> 00:41:31.155
original depth of field
conversation with danger

00:41:31.165 --> 00:41:33.555
theater scopes, if I'm
shooting further out, I

00:41:33.555 --> 00:41:37.335
essentially just, uh, uh,
set the parallax in the

00:41:37.335 --> 00:41:38.985
three to 400 yard range.

00:41:38.985 --> 00:41:39.975
I never have to
mess with it.

00:41:41.595 --> 00:41:43.905
So the paradox is never
perfectly Del dog,

00:41:43.935 --> 00:41:46.455
but it's good enough
where I can keep hit

00:41:46.455 --> 00:41:49.305
the small things and I
can transition between

00:41:49.305 --> 00:41:50.145
targets quite quickly.

00:41:50.535 --> 00:41:52.055
One of the strings
let's have tangent

00:41:52.065 --> 00:41:54.675
datas and quite a few
like his accomplice.

00:41:54.675 --> 00:41:54.975
Good.

00:41:54.975 --> 00:41:57.765
And, uh, Minox a few
others, but the agent

00:41:57.765 --> 00:41:58.755
is the best at that.

00:41:59.805 --> 00:42:02.035
I'm trying to say like
by a measurable amount or

00:42:02.035 --> 00:42:03.045
are we just talking, but

00:42:03.225 --> 00:42:03.675
I can see it.

00:42:03.675 --> 00:42:04.215
I can measure it.

00:42:05.385 --> 00:42:08.865
And this Delfield
has other advantages

00:42:08.865 --> 00:42:10.905
for shooting in
strange air and stuff.

00:42:12.240 --> 00:42:15.270
Um, so stranger, you mean
just like more particles

00:42:15.270 --> 00:42:15.870
float in the air?

00:42:16.380 --> 00:42:19.080
Uh, when, uh, so I have
more experience shooting

00:42:19.080 --> 00:42:21.780
when it's hot and not
super humid because I

00:42:21.780 --> 00:42:22.710
live in California now.

00:42:22.710 --> 00:42:23.490
I live in New Mexico.

00:42:24.030 --> 00:42:24.240
Yeah.

00:42:25.020 --> 00:42:27.360
Um, once in the civic
show, I've had a

00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:29.190
bunch of fences, 56
millimeter scopes.

00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:31.710
I started looking at them
with a PRS buddy of mine.

00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:33.870
And so we're looking
at them and they

00:42:33.870 --> 00:42:36.840
look good in closer
distances, close to

00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:38.040
distant tangent theaters.

00:42:38.460 --> 00:42:39.530
It doesn't have the
highest resolution

00:42:39.540 --> 00:42:40.230
contrast to call.

00:42:40.230 --> 00:42:40.740
They're very good.

00:42:41.490 --> 00:42:44.610
Um, then we start looking
further out and the it

00:42:44.620 --> 00:42:46.710
starting warming up and
Niraj starts popping

00:42:46.710 --> 00:42:48.300
up at 6, 7, 800 yards.

00:42:48.810 --> 00:42:51.150
And looking at the target
through that neurotic

00:42:51.150 --> 00:42:53.160
tangent, uh, aged out
other scopes, and the

00:42:53.160 --> 00:42:56.040
difference became Opus
and that's depth of

00:42:56.040 --> 00:42:58.950
field and, and, and,
uh, um, the ability

00:42:58.950 --> 00:43:01.530
to rent a color color
is very important.

00:43:02.220 --> 00:43:05.100
So just in terms of
how we perceive images,

00:43:06.180 --> 00:43:07.720
but that's going to be
pretty subjective to

00:43:09.150 --> 00:43:09.840
yes and no.

00:43:12.735 --> 00:43:13.815
Uh, how was he?

00:43:13.815 --> 00:43:15.735
Color's a little
bit subjective, but

00:43:15.735 --> 00:43:16.695
we all see color.

00:43:16.695 --> 00:43:20.745
And a color is a huge
component of how we

00:43:21.195 --> 00:43:23.385
understand images, right?

00:43:23.475 --> 00:43:26.655
Um, if you have an
image that's super

00:43:26.655 --> 00:43:28.965
sharp, but the colors
are a little bit blend.

00:43:29.955 --> 00:43:31.665
It is super sharp
objective that

00:43:31.665 --> 00:43:32.355
can measure it.

00:43:32.445 --> 00:43:34.425
But in terms of how
sharp it looks to your

00:43:34.425 --> 00:43:37.695
eye, it will frequently
lose look, especially

00:43:37.695 --> 00:43:40.425
under difficult lighting
conditions, less sharp

00:43:40.935 --> 00:43:42.645
than ultimately lower
resolution image,

00:43:42.645 --> 00:43:46.245
where the colors pop
more, right, because

00:43:46.245 --> 00:43:47.535
of how we perceive.

00:43:47.535 --> 00:43:53.325
So something that's
not well covered in

00:43:53.325 --> 00:43:56.085
the industry is that
how we see things is

00:43:56.085 --> 00:43:58.725
more about the brain
than the eye, as far

00:43:58.725 --> 00:44:01.005
as far as the camera
and go to the eyes, a

00:44:01.005 --> 00:44:01.995
very primitive camera.

00:44:02.775 --> 00:44:05.955
What is remarkable is
how well our brain makes

00:44:05.955 --> 00:44:06.585
sense of those things.

00:44:07.985 --> 00:44:08.235
Right.

00:44:08.655 --> 00:44:10.725
And we have no idea
how it does it.

00:44:10.845 --> 00:44:13.245
We have no means to
replicated within the

00:44:13.245 --> 00:44:14.025
machine vision world.

00:44:14.025 --> 00:44:15.615
We sort of give up and
trying to understand how

00:44:15.615 --> 00:44:16.755
human brain does this.

00:44:17.355 --> 00:44:19.785
And we've gone off on a
different tangent trying

00:44:19.785 --> 00:44:23.355
to make automated machine
vision cameras better,

00:44:23.565 --> 00:44:25.335
but the way we are doing
this as glued different

00:44:25.335 --> 00:44:28.365
than the way our brain
does it, no idea how

00:44:28.365 --> 00:44:30.315
the brain gets an image.

00:44:30.315 --> 00:44:32.565
So remarkable out of such
a primitive camera as

00:44:32.565 --> 00:44:34.245
a human, right, right.

00:44:35.345 --> 00:44:36.045
Big part.

00:44:36.255 --> 00:44:39.195
We know of how the
brain processes, this

00:44:39.195 --> 00:44:40.095
is color information.

00:44:40.995 --> 00:44:44.055
One of the big reasons
you use your lose, your

00:44:44.055 --> 00:44:47.475
visual acuity as the
light drops is that all

00:44:47.475 --> 00:44:50.295
of a sudden, you see
colors, a look less and

00:44:50.305 --> 00:44:52.065
a rifle scope that has
good enough contrast to

00:44:52.065 --> 00:44:54.135
maintain some semblance
of color vision into

00:44:54.135 --> 00:44:56.175
lower light levels will
look markedly better

00:44:56.175 --> 00:45:00.135
than objective is
sharper imaging optic

00:45:00.345 --> 00:45:02.565
that does not pertain
the view ability to see

00:45:02.565 --> 00:45:05.565
color and to as late of
a, as late of a light,

00:45:05.685 --> 00:45:09.270
uh, It's a little bit
light environment.

00:45:10.290 --> 00:45:10.740
Right.

00:45:10.830 --> 00:45:11.009
Okay.

00:45:11.740 --> 00:45:12.209
Makes sense.

00:45:12.779 --> 00:45:13.980
It totally a
hundred percent.

00:45:14.490 --> 00:45:15.029
Absolutely.

00:45:15.060 --> 00:45:15.509
Excellent.

00:45:16.200 --> 00:45:16.620
So,

00:45:18.870 --> 00:45:23.040
uh, so when you talk
about the IPS being set

00:45:23.040 --> 00:45:25.500
up and, and the parallax
being dependent on the

00:45:25.500 --> 00:45:27.509
IPS being properly set
up and we're talking, I

00:45:27.509 --> 00:45:30.330
guess we're adjusting the
diopter on your scope.

00:45:31.709 --> 00:45:32.609
There's a few
ways to do it.

00:45:32.640 --> 00:45:35.430
How often do you find
people are incorrectly

00:45:35.609 --> 00:45:36.689
adjusting that diopter?

00:45:38.520 --> 00:45:43.169
Oh, how much of your
audience do want to lose?

00:45:45.750 --> 00:45:48.419
Maybe we saved that
for the, um, uh, for

00:45:48.419 --> 00:45:49.140
the next podcast.

00:45:49.140 --> 00:45:50.370
We get a little
bit more technical.

00:45:51.569 --> 00:45:53.339
No, nine out of 10.

00:45:54.420 --> 00:45:56.910
Really actually did
a couple of videos

00:45:56.910 --> 00:45:59.190
on YouTube on how to
focus, how to focus

00:45:59.190 --> 00:46:00.270
rifles, go by pieces.

00:46:00.270 --> 00:46:01.620
And it's different
for front vocal

00:46:01.620 --> 00:46:03.150
pen versus second
focal plane scopes.

00:46:03.630 --> 00:46:05.430
And it's different
for conventional

00:46:05.850 --> 00:46:07.830
rifle, scopes versus
low power variables.

00:46:08.610 --> 00:46:10.500
It's not markedly
different, but you're

00:46:10.500 --> 00:46:11.790
trying to achieve a
slightly different

00:46:11.790 --> 00:46:13.440
effect and there are
different priorities,

00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:15.180
but that is a fairly
lengthy conversation.

00:46:16.260 --> 00:46:17.700
Well, tell you what,
if you want to get

00:46:17.700 --> 00:46:19.290
those links over to me,
I'll put them in the

00:46:19.290 --> 00:46:21.090
description so people
can just go straight over

00:46:21.090 --> 00:46:22.050
to your YouTube page.

00:46:22.590 --> 00:46:22.950
Uh,

00:46:23.220 --> 00:46:25.770
I will, uh, dig them up.

00:46:25.860 --> 00:46:27.000
I need to redo
those videos.

00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:29.250
They're fairly old, but
it's just me sketching

00:46:29.250 --> 00:46:32.250
things in front of the
whiteboard, but they

00:46:32.250 --> 00:46:33.420
should be legible enough.

00:46:34.770 --> 00:46:37.140
Well, so light gathering.

00:46:37.650 --> 00:46:39.050
So there's, there's
a lot of people that

00:46:39.050 --> 00:46:40.830
talk about the whole
light gathering myth.

00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:44.070
When I asked, is this
something we got what?

00:46:44.070 --> 00:46:46.590
A maximum of eight
millimeters for the

00:46:46.590 --> 00:46:49.530
human eye to be able
to actually accept.

00:46:53.445 --> 00:46:54.404
You told me about this.

00:46:57.375 --> 00:46:57.975
Okay.

00:46:58.275 --> 00:47:05.025
So in Mong, the very
vast field of marketable

00:47:05.025 --> 00:47:06.555
bullshit out in the
optics industry,

00:47:06.555 --> 00:47:07.154
that's one of them.

00:47:08.325 --> 00:47:11.835
Uh, everybody goes, all
right, I can only dilate

00:47:11.835 --> 00:47:13.125
to seven millimeters.

00:47:14.295 --> 00:47:17.924
And because of that, uh,
exit pupil, that's more

00:47:17.924 --> 00:47:18.884
than seven millimeters.

00:47:18.884 --> 00:47:20.085
Doesn't do
anything for you.

00:47:20.085 --> 00:47:21.045
Ass nonsense.

00:47:21.555 --> 00:47:25.904
First of all, um, some
people I can dilate the

00:47:25.904 --> 00:47:28.695
12 millimeters they're
young and have large eyes

00:47:29.295 --> 00:47:30.435
sunken or Deloitte, much.

00:47:30.435 --> 00:47:32.505
As you get older,
your ideal elation

00:47:33.665 --> 00:47:35.715
ability for your eye
to dilate goes down.

00:47:35.715 --> 00:47:37.904
That's why you lose the
ability to see at night,

00:47:38.985 --> 00:47:43.154
uh, your ability to have,
uh, your eye of your eye.

00:47:43.154 --> 00:47:44.895
People to contract
also goes down.

00:47:44.895 --> 00:47:46.785
That's why you can
see things up close.

00:47:47.295 --> 00:47:47.985
I don't know
how old you are.

00:47:48.015 --> 00:47:48.705
Travis.

00:47:49.785 --> 00:47:51.465
44 as of

00:47:52.365 --> 00:47:53.805
the same age, 45.

00:47:54.315 --> 00:47:55.545
So you're beginning
to see some of those

00:47:55.545 --> 00:47:56.295
wonderful effects.

00:47:56.355 --> 00:48:01.515
Um, I started a couple of
years ago, almost cried

00:48:01.515 --> 00:48:08.775
my eyes, but, um, uh, we
don't know, basically we

00:48:08.775 --> 00:48:11.385
don't know, you can kind
of measure how far your

00:48:11.385 --> 00:48:14.525
IPO dilates, but what
kind of light conditions

00:48:14.535 --> 00:48:17.115
and dilates onto how
dark it needs to get.

00:48:17.385 --> 00:48:19.215
And then your eyes
are wonderfully dark

00:48:19.215 --> 00:48:20.985
adapted, and you look
at your rifle scope.

00:48:21.015 --> 00:48:22.755
There's an image,
looks a little

00:48:22.755 --> 00:48:24.795
brighter and there's
something bright in it.

00:48:24.855 --> 00:48:27.555
That's far away and
immediately, uh,

00:48:27.585 --> 00:48:28.575
IP will contracts.

00:48:28.575 --> 00:48:31.665
Again, it changes all
the time, but the way

00:48:31.665 --> 00:48:33.075
your eye works, it
doesn't elect to be

00:48:33.075 --> 00:48:33.765
fixed in one spot.

00:48:34.845 --> 00:48:37.605
So if you have a large
editor for your eye,

00:48:38.175 --> 00:48:40.095
if it's forced to be
fixed in one spot, it

00:48:40.095 --> 00:48:40.965
gets tired really fast.

00:48:40.965 --> 00:48:41.985
It likes to move around.

00:48:42.435 --> 00:48:44.015
And as it moves around
that, essentially

00:48:44.025 --> 00:48:45.675
think of it as almost
like snaps images

00:48:46.275 --> 00:48:47.055
and construction.

00:48:47.055 --> 00:48:48.415
That's one of the
things that helps.

00:48:49.379 --> 00:48:52.080
Uh, brain to see much
better, so larger

00:48:52.109 --> 00:48:54.810
exit people can be
helpful, but in the

00:48:54.810 --> 00:48:58.080
rifle scope, exit
pupil is a large exit.

00:48:58.080 --> 00:48:59.190
People means lower
magnification

00:48:59.190 --> 00:49:00.960
magnification also
helps you see, right?

00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:02.580
So there is a balance
and it's going to

00:49:02.580 --> 00:49:04.259
be different for
different situations in

00:49:04.589 --> 00:49:05.460
different environments.

00:49:05.940 --> 00:49:06.359
Hmm.

00:49:07.049 --> 00:49:07.290
Okay.

00:49:08.790 --> 00:49:11.430
Uh, light gathering by
itself as an godawful

00:49:11.430 --> 00:49:14.850
term, uh, because
your rifle scope does

00:49:14.850 --> 00:49:17.190
not go start walking
out of the metals

00:49:17.190 --> 00:49:17.819
and gathering light.

00:49:18.779 --> 00:49:22.470
Uh, there is an objective
lens day immature and

00:49:22.470 --> 00:49:25.230
everything that falls
on that objective lens

00:49:25.290 --> 00:49:28.560
from whatever field of
view your are dealing

00:49:28.560 --> 00:49:32.549
with, which is the
magnification, uh, enters

00:49:32.549 --> 00:49:33.779
into the rifle scope.

00:49:34.049 --> 00:49:36.069
Some of it last, you
have the reflection

00:49:36.069 --> 00:49:38.040
of different surfaces,
sketching, a little

00:49:38.040 --> 00:49:39.450
bit of absorption
and stuff like that.

00:49:39.930 --> 00:49:41.190
And most of it makes
it out of that.

00:49:42.585 --> 00:49:46.995
Okay, so it doesn't
gather anything, but

00:49:47.055 --> 00:49:50.445
you do have a larger
collecting aperture than

00:49:50.445 --> 00:49:52.185
your unaided art, right?

00:49:52.185 --> 00:49:56.985
So this is, I have this
danger data here, 56

00:49:56.985 --> 00:49:57.825
per meter objective.

00:49:57.825 --> 00:49:58.125
Right.

00:49:59.445 --> 00:50:02.715
If you have it sitting,
let's say on, I don't

00:50:02.715 --> 00:50:07.335
know, uh, for, for the
ease, let's say I've got

00:50:07.335 --> 00:50:10.425
it sitting on 23 power.

00:50:10.755 --> 00:50:11.025
Right?

00:50:11.055 --> 00:50:12.315
So that means I
have two millimeter

00:50:12.345 --> 00:50:14.115
exit pupil, right?

00:50:14.505 --> 00:50:14.625
Yeah.

00:50:14.665 --> 00:50:17.295
So all of the light
that got into that rifle

00:50:17.295 --> 00:50:22.515
scope, uh, got, uh,
barring some transmission

00:50:22.515 --> 00:50:25.275
losses through the,
through the scope gods

00:50:25.305 --> 00:50:27.495
to your eye, but here's
the catch, right?

00:50:27.495 --> 00:50:29.895
So your objective lens
diameter for most of

00:50:29.895 --> 00:50:34.455
the magnification is
stays the same, but on

00:50:34.455 --> 00:50:36.705
lower magnifications,
there is more light.

00:50:36.875 --> 00:50:38.205
It's collecting it
from a wider angle.

00:50:38.205 --> 00:50:39.105
You feel the
views, right?

00:50:39.105 --> 00:50:40.095
Or lower modifications.

00:50:40.980 --> 00:50:41.279
Right.

00:50:41.520 --> 00:50:43.500
So it will look a little
bit brighter, but no

00:50:43.500 --> 00:50:45.240
matter how you slice
it, it's going to give

00:50:45.240 --> 00:50:47.070
you more light and
more information than

00:50:47.070 --> 00:50:47.880
your, I need your day.

00:50:52.049 --> 00:50:55.950
So if we were to,
well let's, how

00:50:55.950 --> 00:50:56.850
would the iBox?

00:50:56.880 --> 00:50:58.380
So I remember there
was a handhold.

00:50:58.390 --> 00:51:01.020
I was using one time
and had a really large

00:51:01.290 --> 00:51:04.290
iBox on there, which I
thought was desirable.

00:51:04.290 --> 00:51:07.930
I liked that it was easy
to get clear glass from

00:51:07.930 --> 00:51:09.210
a, from a large distance.

00:51:09.600 --> 00:51:12.060
Is there a drawback
to having a large iBox

00:51:12.060 --> 00:51:13.529
other than perhaps
a cost of making

00:51:13.529 --> 00:51:14.250
these sort of things?

00:51:15.450 --> 00:51:15.960
Yeah.

00:51:16.049 --> 00:51:18.240
Every time somebody says
I box, I imagined this

00:51:18.240 --> 00:51:20.100
wooden box full of guys.

00:51:21.570 --> 00:51:23.190
I hate that term, but I
don't have a better one.

00:51:23.190 --> 00:51:25.740
I, uh, I often say I
really flexibility, but

00:51:25.740 --> 00:51:27.540
I think I'm giving up
and beginning to use

00:51:27.540 --> 00:51:30.330
iBox I read the box.

00:51:30.390 --> 00:51:34.560
Um, there is a certain
re uh, range of, uh,

00:51:34.590 --> 00:51:36.600
positions for your eye
that the IP is correct.

00:51:37.725 --> 00:51:39.015
And it's not
shaped like a box,

00:51:39.645 --> 00:51:39.915
right.

00:51:40.605 --> 00:51:41.625
It's more
clinical, right.

00:51:45.464 --> 00:51:47.955
It's more like an
ellipsoid action.

00:51:48.524 --> 00:51:48.884
Okay.

00:51:49.515 --> 00:51:50.805
Um, but um,

00:51:54.015 --> 00:51:57.105
nice designed IPS
will give you better.

00:51:57.105 --> 00:51:58.515
iBox right.

00:51:58.904 --> 00:52:00.315
So there are
trade-offs right.

00:52:03.105 --> 00:52:05.024
Everything in optics
is a compromise.

00:52:05.654 --> 00:52:07.214
For example, you
mentioned the scope as

00:52:07.214 --> 00:52:09.585
Eco's eco zero compromise
optics, really nice,

00:52:09.585 --> 00:52:11.565
very, very high in
the scopes that have

00:52:11.595 --> 00:52:13.725
done a very good job
marketing themselves.

00:52:14.745 --> 00:52:16.185
And the company has
done a very good job

00:52:16.185 --> 00:52:17.924
marketing, but the
scopes market themselves,

00:52:17.924 --> 00:52:19.964
why they are designed.

00:52:19.964 --> 00:52:21.915
So they're extremely
forgiving to get behind.

00:52:21.915 --> 00:52:23.265
And all of the
user controls are

00:52:23.265 --> 00:52:24.375
really well done.

00:52:24.734 --> 00:52:27.375
Small calibrated, no
sharp edges, just a

00:52:27.375 --> 00:52:28.785
great user experience.

00:52:29.504 --> 00:52:31.035
Objective, if you
looked at the images,

00:52:31.035 --> 00:52:32.955
very, very good, but
let's say attention

00:52:32.955 --> 00:52:33.435
to is obstacles.

00:52:34.424 --> 00:52:34.964
In my opinion.

00:52:34.964 --> 00:52:36.825
So the guys I'm friendly
with the guys at Z comp.

00:52:36.855 --> 00:52:38.535
Every time I say that,
I think they're about

00:52:38.535 --> 00:52:40.694
to have an aneurysm,
but so far nobody died.

00:52:41.325 --> 00:52:41.865
They're good people.

00:52:41.865 --> 00:52:42.345
I like them.

00:52:42.705 --> 00:52:44.865
They don't like it
when I say that, but

00:52:44.865 --> 00:52:46.545
to their great credit,
they still talk to me.

00:52:46.545 --> 00:52:46.845
Right.

00:52:47.415 --> 00:52:49.154
It just speaks
well of them.

00:52:49.154 --> 00:52:54.674
There are companies who
no longer do, uh, to get

00:52:54.735 --> 00:52:59.235
that super forgiving IPS,
uh, uh, I box, they ended

00:52:59.235 --> 00:53:00.464
up giving up a little
bit of field of view.

00:53:02.085 --> 00:53:03.825
The image looked
huge because of how

00:53:03.825 --> 00:53:04.815
the IP stands field.

00:53:04.815 --> 00:53:07.455
The view is, is a
bad mid-pack for

00:53:07.455 --> 00:53:10.015
fancy scopes, for
example, right?

00:53:11.685 --> 00:53:12.975
That's one of
the compromises.

00:53:13.785 --> 00:53:15.825
You do not have to make
that compromise too much.

00:53:15.825 --> 00:53:17.924
I just started looking
at the latest vortex

00:53:17.924 --> 00:53:22.275
razor, a gen three,
six to 36 by 56.

00:53:23.355 --> 00:53:26.205
It has extremely
forgiving iBox Adams

00:53:26.205 --> 00:53:27.645
has rather than
wide field of view.

00:53:27.645 --> 00:53:29.725
So they changed something
in design, right?

00:53:29.755 --> 00:53:31.305
Every time they come
up with a new design,

00:53:31.305 --> 00:53:33.075
the compromise gets
less restrictive.

00:53:34.725 --> 00:53:36.765
Um, really, really
nice scope by the way,

00:53:38.595 --> 00:53:40.665
uh, amazingly nice.

00:53:40.695 --> 00:53:41.745
Give her what it costs.

00:53:42.555 --> 00:53:47.715
Um, but my significantly
better than I expected,

00:53:47.745 --> 00:53:48.915
I'm friends with a
bunch of people at

00:53:48.915 --> 00:53:50.745
vortex that told me it's
going to be very nice.

00:53:50.745 --> 00:53:51.855
I told them they're
full of shit.

00:53:51.955 --> 00:53:52.665
I'm looking at it.

00:53:53.355 --> 00:53:54.315
Those Besters were right.

00:53:56.475 --> 00:54:00.195
It is a unusually nice
for what it costs.

00:54:01.065 --> 00:54:02.025
They wouldn't be
able to keep them in

00:54:02.025 --> 00:54:03.465
stock for a couple
of years, at least.

00:54:04.965 --> 00:54:06.375
But then, but I digress.

00:54:06.645 --> 00:54:08.985
So that's the, there
are compromises, uh,

00:54:09.015 --> 00:54:11.325
to the iBox their
regional rifle scope.

00:54:11.325 --> 00:54:13.395
That was the most
forgiving of my position.

00:54:13.395 --> 00:54:16.065
Wasn't did the hand salt,
uh, one of my favorite

00:54:16.065 --> 00:54:17.565
designs overall, it's
still the three to

00:54:17.565 --> 00:54:18.675
12 by 56 cents sold.

00:54:18.675 --> 00:54:19.845
I thought it was
a wonderful scope.

00:54:20.595 --> 00:54:20.985
Yeah.

00:54:21.105 --> 00:54:23.835
Um, but, um, it's
also easier to do

00:54:23.835 --> 00:54:25.375
when you have lower
magnification larger.

00:54:26.834 --> 00:54:29.564
That's a good point, add
lower erector ratios,

00:54:29.564 --> 00:54:32.504
menu, the ratio between a
high, low magnification.

00:54:33.044 --> 00:54:35.924
So all of those help,
but a lot of it is

00:54:35.924 --> 00:54:36.705
just good design

00:54:40.575 --> 00:54:43.845
and technologies
move forward.

00:54:44.055 --> 00:54:44.294
Right?

00:54:45.584 --> 00:54:49.665
So I mean, w what
I was going to just

00:54:49.665 --> 00:54:50.984
mention with the
same Hensoldt right.

00:54:51.015 --> 00:54:52.814
The saw the cancel
doesn't care about

00:54:52.814 --> 00:54:55.185
civil and market, and
it's, they develop a

00:54:55.185 --> 00:54:56.024
scope for the military.

00:54:56.024 --> 00:54:57.314
And while there, then
they'll sell it to

00:54:57.314 --> 00:55:00.345
civilians the latest
and greatest, not that

00:55:00.345 --> 00:55:04.004
new anymore is a three
and a half to 26 by 56.

00:55:04.814 --> 00:55:05.145
Right.

00:55:05.384 --> 00:55:09.105
And, uh, when it first
came out, it was $7,000

00:55:09.105 --> 00:55:10.904
and everybody was
running around saying

00:55:10.904 --> 00:55:11.895
how wonderful it is.

00:55:12.825 --> 00:55:14.955
Uh, you know, that's,
that's either people

00:55:14.955 --> 00:55:16.904
who haven't seen it
to people who justify.

00:55:17.940 --> 00:55:19.620
Shelling out seven
grand, right?

00:55:20.010 --> 00:55:21.990
It was built for a
particular purpose.

00:55:21.990 --> 00:55:23.430
They had to make
it very short.

00:55:23.550 --> 00:55:25.710
Um, the elevation,
it has to have a lot

00:55:25.710 --> 00:55:27.600
of adjustment image.

00:55:27.600 --> 00:55:30.600
Quality is not that great
compared to the speaking.

00:55:31.410 --> 00:55:33.000
It's not as easy to
get behind as the

00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:34.800
older simpler consults.

00:55:35.370 --> 00:55:37.410
And the church is
unadulterated crap

00:55:37.680 --> 00:55:39.270
because the military
forced them to stick with

00:55:39.300 --> 00:55:41.040
18 minute radiant and
the comparative small

00:55:41.040 --> 00:55:41.980
dam or the tourists.

00:55:41.980 --> 00:55:43.350
So the clicks are
not that distinct.

00:55:44.190 --> 00:55:45.660
It's, well-built,
it's robust.

00:55:45.660 --> 00:55:47.400
It's good for
the constraints,

00:55:47.400 --> 00:55:48.090
the food on it.

00:55:48.780 --> 00:55:50.250
But if you are not
operating with the same

00:55:50.250 --> 00:55:51.930
constraints, the military
wants you to very short.

00:55:51.930 --> 00:55:53.520
So they put a clip on
in front of it and all

00:55:53.520 --> 00:55:53.970
that sort of stuff.

00:55:53.970 --> 00:55:56.550
The German military,
if you're not operating

00:55:56.550 --> 00:55:59.430
with those constraints,
you just wasted seven

00:55:59.430 --> 00:56:00.750
grand and you'll go
buy something else

00:56:00.750 --> 00:56:01.230
for less money.

00:56:02.010 --> 00:56:02.340
Right.

00:56:02.940 --> 00:56:03.240
Right.

00:56:03.840 --> 00:56:05.910
But here's a confirmation
bias for you.

00:56:05.910 --> 00:56:08.490
If you, people who bought
them, they went around

00:56:08.490 --> 00:56:10.350
saying how wonderful,
how amazing this thing.

00:56:13.035 --> 00:56:14.745
Because if you just spent
seven grand, what else

00:56:14.745 --> 00:56:15.254
are you going to say?

00:56:15.464 --> 00:56:15.915
You're

00:56:16.004 --> 00:56:17.595
not going to turn around
and say this piece of

00:56:17.595 --> 00:56:19.004
garbage, unless you
got lots of money,

00:56:19.545 --> 00:56:20.865
not a piece of garbage.

00:56:21.045 --> 00:56:21.495
No.

00:56:21.975 --> 00:56:24.435
It's w if you're
operating within the

00:56:24.435 --> 00:56:26.805
constraints that were
in that large tender,

00:56:26.805 --> 00:56:28.515
that it was designed
for, it is a very

00:56:28.515 --> 00:56:29.205
impressive effort.

00:56:31.395 --> 00:56:33.045
It's not that great of a
scope for the rest of us.

00:56:34.395 --> 00:56:36.855
Well, with constant
advancements in

00:56:36.915 --> 00:56:39.884
optics and scopes, I
mean, everyone looks

00:56:39.884 --> 00:56:41.625
like they're a lot
of it's marketing

00:56:41.625 --> 00:56:42.495
from my perspective.

00:56:42.495 --> 00:56:45.884
And from talking to you
now, uh, integrating

00:56:45.915 --> 00:56:47.745
electronics within
the scope, whether

00:56:47.745 --> 00:56:50.415
that'd be illuminated
reticles or like, uh,

00:56:50.924 --> 00:56:55.125
uh, laser rangefinders
or, uh, levels digital

00:56:55.125 --> 00:56:56.984
levels to tell you
if your level or not.

00:56:57.435 --> 00:57:00.075
Is there anything that
is being currently

00:57:00.075 --> 00:57:03.285
marketed that you think
is like, what a gimmick?

00:57:03.404 --> 00:57:05.115
And is there anything
that's kind of really

00:57:05.115 --> 00:57:08.355
getting you excited
that, uh, the optics

00:57:08.355 --> 00:57:09.375
world is, is moving to.

00:57:11.025 --> 00:57:12.555
Uh, the other things
that are interesting

00:57:13.155 --> 00:57:17.145
and within those that
get mix, um, I've

00:57:17.145 --> 00:57:18.885
been looking a lot at
thermals and clip-ons

00:57:18.885 --> 00:57:19.725
and stuff like that.

00:57:19.995 --> 00:57:21.495
That's sort of my field
of expertise, right?

00:57:21.495 --> 00:57:23.055
So I've spent a lot
more time with thermal

00:57:23.685 --> 00:57:24.945
imagers than everything.

00:57:24.945 --> 00:57:25.515
Anything else?

00:57:25.995 --> 00:57:27.285
Some of them are
still orbiting the

00:57:27.285 --> 00:57:28.605
earth and looking at
your license plate.

00:57:29.745 --> 00:57:30.195
Uh,

00:57:34.695 --> 00:57:37.245
a lot of, uh, gimme
craze in the marketing.

00:57:38.535 --> 00:57:41.115
I have to say a lot of
the gimme Curie is in,

00:57:41.115 --> 00:57:42.675
when you start going
into electronics, you

00:57:42.675 --> 00:57:46.605
have this tendency
to put everything and

00:57:46.605 --> 00:57:49.365
the kitchen sink into
the wifi ser the 28

00:57:49.365 --> 00:57:54.165
different versions of
Bluetooth plea porn

00:57:54.165 --> 00:57:55.635
from your cell phone
as you're looking for

00:57:55.635 --> 00:57:57.015
the school, but I don't
know what else to do.

00:57:57.015 --> 00:57:57.195
Right.

00:57:58.725 --> 00:58:00.735
All that crap just drains
the battery really.

00:58:03.360 --> 00:58:06.540
Uh, but a lot of it is
useful innovation and the

00:58:06.540 --> 00:58:09.660
market will eventually
kind of filter through

00:58:09.660 --> 00:58:10.470
all the nonsense.

00:58:11.310 --> 00:58:14.580
I think I eliminated
radicals that there

00:58:14.580 --> 00:58:16.380
stayed the most exciting
thing for me is the

00:58:16.380 --> 00:58:17.340
active, radical stuff.

00:58:18.420 --> 00:58:20.009
That's going to make
a huge difference.

00:58:20.040 --> 00:58:22.215
Uh, vortex, just,
I think one or $2.8

00:58:22.215 --> 00:58:25.170
billion contract for the
next, uh, NGS w rifle

00:58:25.170 --> 00:58:27.300
scope, uh, look that up.

00:58:27.990 --> 00:58:30.360
Uh, it's a rifle scope
with integrated laser

00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:33.720
range finder, a normal
radicle and an active

00:58:33.720 --> 00:58:34.620
projected radicle.

00:58:35.190 --> 00:58:37.650
So that I think is all
the information that's

00:58:37.650 --> 00:58:38.460
publicly available.

00:58:38.460 --> 00:58:40.590
So I can say more all
the select obstacle

00:58:40.590 --> 00:58:43.290
integration makes a
ton of sense when you

00:58:43.290 --> 00:58:45.509
can overlay some sort
of projected reticle

00:58:45.509 --> 00:58:48.270
features that reflect
the ballistic solution.

00:58:51.255 --> 00:58:53.265
When you can combine a
normal fixed, radical to

00:58:53.265 --> 00:58:56.115
use normal conventional
shooting with a active,

00:58:56.325 --> 00:58:58.275
actively controlled
projectors radical that's

00:58:58.275 --> 00:59:00.405
when you have something
special, because then

00:59:00.405 --> 00:59:02.035
everything else, all
your Clevelands, all

00:59:02.035 --> 00:59:04.845
of those sorts, other
things can easily,

00:59:04.875 --> 00:59:05.805
uh, fetal on there.

00:59:05.805 --> 00:59:06.134
Right.

00:59:06.195 --> 00:59:09.615
Right now, for example,
I'll give you an example.

00:59:10.905 --> 00:59:13.275
You have, let's say
you're hog hunting

00:59:13.275 --> 00:59:15.435
at night, right?

00:59:15.525 --> 00:59:16.875
You have your thermal
clip on, in front

00:59:16.875 --> 00:59:17.475
of the rifle scope.

00:59:17.475 --> 00:59:20.325
You can only look
through the clip-on.

00:59:21.975 --> 00:59:23.535
If you have your laser
range finder built

00:59:23.535 --> 00:59:24.555
into the rifle scope.

00:59:24.795 --> 00:59:27.045
Normally like, actually,
like a lot of them are

00:59:27.225 --> 00:59:28.845
now no longer works
because it doesn't see

00:59:28.845 --> 00:59:29.505
through the clip-on.

00:59:29.505 --> 00:59:29.745
Right.

00:59:30.195 --> 00:59:30.615
Right.

00:59:31.095 --> 00:59:31.545
Okay.

00:59:31.605 --> 00:59:33.884
So while this new
solution has an offset

00:59:34.315 --> 00:59:36.945
is a range finder that
can see around the

00:59:36.945 --> 00:59:37.845
clip on whatever else.

00:59:37.845 --> 00:59:39.105
And it could
project a ballistic

00:59:39.115 --> 00:59:40.095
solution radical.

00:59:40.725 --> 00:59:41.805
What if you extended it?

00:59:41.835 --> 00:59:43.475
Uh, what if you
extended it further,

00:59:43.525 --> 00:59:46.095
you could, uh, use the
next generation of this

00:59:46.095 --> 00:59:47.735
actual radical technology
to project and.

00:59:48.585 --> 00:59:50.024
And, or just overlay
an image on there.

00:59:50.024 --> 00:59:52.035
Now, your Cleveland
doesn't have to

00:59:52.035 --> 00:59:52.964
be in front of
the rifle school.

00:59:52.964 --> 00:59:53.865
Couldn't be on the
side of the hand

00:59:53.865 --> 00:59:56.415
card, uh, more cited.

00:59:56.444 --> 00:59:57.495
So that will point
you in the same

00:59:57.495 --> 00:59:59.714
direction and you'll
use a normal scope.

00:59:59.714 --> 01:00:01.225
And at some point,
whether you're kind

01:00:01.225 --> 01:00:02.504
of on a hand guard,
you press a button

01:00:02.504 --> 01:00:04.424
and you just got your
thermal image overlaid.

01:00:05.625 --> 01:00:06.464
Very cool.

01:00:07.395 --> 01:00:10.125
Uh, I familiar with
the Shiner a CQT,

01:00:10.935 --> 01:00:13.575
uh, I, I, I've not
used one note, but

01:00:13.575 --> 01:00:14.745
I've, I'm somewhat

01:00:14.745 --> 01:00:15.165
familiar.

01:00:15.375 --> 01:00:16.964
So I saw I've played
with it for quite a

01:00:16.964 --> 01:00:18.585
long time, but then I
find the, remember that

01:00:18.585 --> 01:00:20.024
I have it and asked
me to send it back.

01:00:20.055 --> 01:00:21.045
I'm a little
sore about that.

01:00:22.035 --> 01:00:24.855
Uh, it's basically a
combination of a normal

01:00:24.855 --> 01:00:27.254
reflects a site with
a projected thermal.

01:00:29.475 --> 01:00:31.035
When you look a
use the thermal

01:00:31.035 --> 01:00:33.615
optic, uh, you lose
situational awareness

01:00:33.645 --> 01:00:34.785
because the image
looks very different.

01:00:34.785 --> 01:00:35.924
And you're looking
through this thing.

01:00:37.214 --> 01:00:39.705
CQT souls, the
situational

01:00:39.705 --> 01:00:40.455
awareness problem.

01:00:40.815 --> 01:00:42.855
If you're going to be
doing, using a fused

01:00:42.884 --> 01:00:46.050
optic for self-defense
purposes, It's

01:00:46.050 --> 01:00:47.970
expensive, 10 grad,
that's expensive,

01:00:48.690 --> 01:00:50.400
but it's basically
reflex site that also

01:00:50.400 --> 01:00:51.120
gives you thermal.

01:00:51.180 --> 01:00:52.950
You can't hide from this
stupid thing and you

01:00:52.950 --> 01:00:54.840
have not lost any of your
situational awareness.

01:00:55.470 --> 01:00:56.910
You can use a
magnifier with it.

01:00:56.910 --> 01:00:58.670
You can use a flashlight
will work fine, you

01:00:58.670 --> 01:01:00.150
see it all, and you
still have a little

01:01:01.350 --> 01:01:05.910
interesting it's, uh,
you know, a really,

01:01:05.910 --> 01:01:06.870
really impressive effort.

01:01:07.110 --> 01:01:08.670
You know, it's going
to come down on prices.

01:01:08.700 --> 01:01:10.320
They sure make more
of them and all that.

01:01:10.650 --> 01:01:12.810
So these are the kinds
of things that excite me

01:01:13.410 --> 01:01:15.240
that I find interesting.

01:01:15.240 --> 01:01:19.380
And most of them are in
a fusion of a traditional

01:01:19.380 --> 01:01:20.580
optics with electronics.

01:01:21.120 --> 01:01:27.180
Um, so if you were based
on the current market and

01:01:27.180 --> 01:01:29.130
you're telling somebody
entry-level, let's

01:01:29.130 --> 01:01:32.520
say, and I don't know,
price range, K keep it.

01:01:33.450 --> 01:01:37.950
What would you consider
a good, rather than

01:01:37.950 --> 01:01:39.540
constraining you by
the amount of money

01:01:39.540 --> 01:01:40.530
that somebody is
going to be sending.

01:01:41.685 --> 01:01:44.385
Uh, what would you
recommend somebody

01:01:44.385 --> 01:01:46.155
be considering
when purchasing

01:01:46.155 --> 01:01:47.085
their first optic?

01:01:47.115 --> 01:01:48.795
And we'll break it
into, let's say for a

01:01:48.795 --> 01:01:50.475
hunting optic and maybe
something that's going

01:01:50.475 --> 01:01:52.755
to be used for maybe
PRS 10 style shooting.

01:01:53.145 --> 01:01:54.645
Uh, so two different
categories.

01:01:55.155 --> 01:01:56.775
So conventional
big game hunting,

01:01:57.555 --> 01:01:57.885
right?

01:01:57.915 --> 01:01:58.275
Yes.

01:02:01.155 --> 01:02:02.835
Are they ever going to
do PRS or other things?

01:02:02.835 --> 01:02:03.765
Is it the same person?

01:02:03.765 --> 01:02:05.025
Is it just the guy
who's going to take

01:02:05.025 --> 01:02:08.175
out his rifle and go
try to, uh, shoot a

01:02:08.175 --> 01:02:09.015
deer twice a year.

01:02:09.555 --> 01:02:09.915
Okay.

01:02:09.915 --> 01:02:11.535
Well, originally I
was thinking like,

01:02:11.835 --> 01:02:13.515
you know, just the
guy shooting, just a

01:02:13.515 --> 01:02:15.435
hunting and the separate
one, but you know, you

01:02:15.435 --> 01:02:16.215
raise a good point.

01:02:16.395 --> 01:02:17.895
A lot of people will
want an all-in-one

01:02:17.895 --> 01:02:19.575
thing that they can do
their target shooting

01:02:19.575 --> 01:02:20.445
and their hunting with.

01:02:20.955 --> 01:02:22.965
Uh, that's actually not
where I was getting, um,

01:02:24.485 --> 01:02:27.645
normal, uh, shooting at
point blank distance.

01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:31.140
Well, you don't have
to do hold overs

01:02:31.140 --> 01:02:31.799
and stuff like that.

01:02:32.340 --> 01:02:34.799
Most conventional context
scopes will work fine,

01:02:35.819 --> 01:02:38.730
but if this is a guy who
will spend most of his

01:02:38.730 --> 01:02:40.950
time shooting PRS through
the year, then we'll

01:02:40.950 --> 01:02:42.630
go hunt in November.

01:02:43.770 --> 01:02:45.420
I would actually
recommend some sort of

01:02:45.420 --> 01:02:48.720
front focal plane object
in both cases so that

01:02:48.750 --> 01:02:51.000
he, because he will not
resist the temptation

01:02:51.180 --> 01:02:53.279
to ask me how I know,
uh, will not resist the

01:02:53.279 --> 01:02:55.020
temptation to use his
country rifles, to shoot

01:02:55.020 --> 01:02:55.890
at ups in distances.

01:02:55.890 --> 01:02:58.650
Occasionally it
happens, right?

01:02:59.279 --> 01:03:01.590
So the single choice
for all of the above

01:03:01.620 --> 01:03:04.259
is the vortex razor HD
LHD four and a half to

01:03:04.259 --> 01:03:06.240
22 by 50 it's a front
focal plane scope.

01:03:06.240 --> 01:03:07.440
It's under 22 ounces.

01:03:08.340 --> 01:03:10.440
And I have a rifle
called the fix that

01:03:10.440 --> 01:03:12.450
I use for hunting and
precision and everything.

01:03:12.480 --> 01:03:17.700
Uh, and the scope can
do all of that, right?

01:03:18.720 --> 01:03:19.799
Because it's
fairly lightweight.

01:03:19.799 --> 01:03:21.480
Most precision
oriented scopes are

01:03:21.569 --> 01:03:23.720
our habit, but that's
an example of what's.

01:03:23.720 --> 01:03:24.720
What's called
the crossover.

01:03:28.020 --> 01:03:30.450
Uh, a rifle scope
has been around

01:03:30.450 --> 01:03:31.530
for a long time.

01:03:31.830 --> 01:03:33.000
I don't think it's
easily available

01:03:33.000 --> 01:03:33.870
in Canada, though.

01:03:33.900 --> 01:03:35.130
You may want to
consider moving.

01:03:35.220 --> 01:03:38.910
Uh, it's an as WFA
three to nine by 42,

01:03:38.910 --> 01:03:40.800
it's a front vocal pen
scope made in Japan.

01:03:41.100 --> 01:03:44.190
Um, simple, robust, uh,
really, really, well-made

01:03:44.970 --> 01:03:49.980
not super heavy, simple
like meal scale radical.

01:03:50.730 --> 01:03:52.800
You can use the scope
to shoot far away

01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:54.600
or just use it as a
regular hunting scope.

01:03:54.810 --> 01:03:57.480
And it has a very good
reputation for being

01:03:57.480 --> 01:03:58.800
robust about 600 bucks.

01:03:59.460 --> 01:04:00.360
That's a good
price point.

01:04:00.870 --> 01:04:03.090
Uh, it doesn't do
anything exotic.

01:04:03.300 --> 01:04:05.040
It doesn't have
elimination radical.

01:04:05.070 --> 01:04:08.610
It doesn't, uh,
shine your shoes.

01:04:08.690 --> 01:04:10.080
Doesn't tie
your shoelaces.

01:04:10.650 --> 01:04:12.420
It's a, but it's a
simple and robust thing.

01:04:12.420 --> 01:04:14.490
If you're budget for
hunting scope, basically

01:04:14.490 --> 01:04:15.480
don't go super exotic.

01:04:16.320 --> 01:04:18.000
They've worked x-ray's
edge deal HD that I

01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:19.830
was talking about as
in the $1,500 range.

01:04:20.100 --> 01:04:25.050
Now, if I were just
setting up a basic.

01:04:26.670 --> 01:04:28.290
Hunting a rifle.

01:04:28.640 --> 01:04:30.270
There are two options
select the most,

01:04:30.270 --> 01:04:31.980
although that's not
short of two options.

01:04:32.340 --> 01:04:37.380
One is that as WFA 3, 2 9
scope, just put it on and

01:04:37.380 --> 01:04:39.810
use that also to shoot
far away, dial you hold

01:04:39.810 --> 01:04:42.300
where the article, if you
want a more traditional

01:04:42.300 --> 01:04:44.340
second focal plane scope
with some learning long

01:04:44.340 --> 01:04:46.650
range capability, vortex.

01:04:46.920 --> 01:04:48.960
HDL is the second focal
plane scopes are under

01:04:48.960 --> 01:04:51.000
a thousand dollars in
the U S three to 15 by

01:04:51.000 --> 01:04:52.770
42 through the 15 by 50.

01:04:52.770 --> 01:04:54.720
And they are also
reasonably lightweight,

01:04:55.260 --> 01:04:59.490
but nice Leopold VX five
is in that same, uh, in

01:04:59.490 --> 01:05:03.030
that same conversation,
uh, tracked toric

01:05:03.030 --> 01:05:04.470
three to 15 by 42.

01:05:04.740 --> 01:05:06.540
You're looking for
the second or front

01:05:06.540 --> 01:05:08.190
focal plane scope,
but about three or

01:05:08.190 --> 01:05:09.880
four on the low end.

01:05:09.880 --> 01:05:10.590
That's not too heavy.

01:05:11.340 --> 01:05:11.670
Right.

01:05:11.940 --> 01:05:13.890
And if I had to list
all of them, if I

01:05:13.890 --> 01:05:15.780
tried to list all of
them here, you will

01:05:15.780 --> 01:05:17.580
have enough material
for eight podcasts.

01:05:18.840 --> 01:05:19.530
There's a lot of them.

01:05:20.100 --> 01:05:20.310
Okay.

01:05:20.330 --> 01:05:24.465
Uh, You pick one
from the company that

01:05:24.495 --> 01:05:26.985
has good customer
support and has good

01:05:26.985 --> 01:05:27.855
enough field of view.

01:05:27.855 --> 01:05:29.415
And that has heretical
that's visible

01:05:29.415 --> 01:05:30.375
enough on low power.

01:05:31.425 --> 01:05:34.515
You know, I've, I've
used a loophole my

01:05:34.515 --> 01:05:37.245
entire life, uh,
like their scopes.

01:05:37.905 --> 01:05:39.975
And, but from the
customer support

01:05:39.975 --> 01:05:42.855
standpoint, I got to
say, vortex has been

01:05:42.885 --> 01:05:46.495
just phenomenal in the
way that, I mean, you

01:05:46.545 --> 01:05:48.525
could be on Instagram
and message them, and

01:05:48.525 --> 01:05:50.325
they'll walk you through
cycling your rifle when

01:05:50.325 --> 01:05:54.045
you're, uh, on the range
via messenger system,

01:05:54.675 --> 01:05:56.535
big players right
now do have good

01:05:56.535 --> 01:05:57.435
customer support.

01:05:57.525 --> 01:05:59.535
And a lot of it was
driven by the pressure

01:05:59.535 --> 01:06:00.465
created by waters.

01:06:01.795 --> 01:06:03.915
Waters has had that
amazing customer support,

01:06:03.975 --> 01:06:05.145
arguably the longest.

01:06:05.205 --> 01:06:08.685
So they're better at it,
but it's generally good

01:06:08.685 --> 01:06:10.395
customer support, right?

01:06:10.545 --> 01:06:14.325
Uh, across the
board, there are some

01:06:14.775 --> 01:06:16.785
manufacturers still that
insist on not doing this

01:06:16.785 --> 01:06:18.975
very well and they'll
learn their lesson.

01:06:20.445 --> 01:06:21.795
So have you ever
come out and had

01:06:21.795 --> 01:06:23.985
just blanket warnings
for certain types

01:06:23.985 --> 01:06:25.425
of optics, stay away

01:06:27.195 --> 01:06:30.255
all the Amazon brands
fee, Archie monster

01:06:30.255 --> 01:06:31.845
from all that crap
just don't do it.

01:06:32.535 --> 01:06:32.775
Yeah.

01:06:33.255 --> 01:06:34.275
I think of it this way.

01:06:34.935 --> 01:06:39.975
If they're selling a
skull for 200 bucks and

01:06:39.975 --> 01:06:43.215
it has every feature
known to man, if it sells

01:06:43.215 --> 01:06:46.515
for two current box, that
means the retailer makes,

01:06:46.515 --> 01:06:50.085
I don't know, 50, 60
bucks on it distributor,

01:06:50.145 --> 01:06:53.505
another 50 bucks, then
the manufacturer sold

01:06:53.505 --> 01:06:54.135
it to somebody else.

01:06:54.135 --> 01:06:55.905
So basically it costs
25 bucks to make.

01:06:57.945 --> 01:07:00.555
It has 16 optical
elements, machined,

01:07:00.555 --> 01:07:02.505
aluminum jurors,
all sorts of stuff.

01:07:02.775 --> 01:07:04.095
And it cost 25
bucks to make you

01:07:04.095 --> 01:07:04.695
going to trust that.

01:07:05.145 --> 01:07:06.375
Yeah, no, here's
the catch.

01:07:06.435 --> 01:07:07.785
Every once in a while
somebody will find

01:07:07.785 --> 01:07:08.355
a good one, right?

01:07:08.355 --> 01:07:11.055
Then he'll hit every
forum saying that yay,

01:07:11.055 --> 01:07:13.485
my $25 or whatever it is.

01:07:14.175 --> 01:07:15.315
If you have any
Russian audience,

01:07:15.315 --> 01:07:16.875
they will appreciate
what I just said.

01:07:17.475 --> 01:07:21.915
Uh, Is just as amazing
as the $5,000 Schmidt

01:07:21.915 --> 01:07:24.915
and abandon you overpaid
by $4,900, right?

01:07:25.035 --> 01:07:27.375
It's you just got to
have a good one and

01:07:27.375 --> 01:07:29.415
it will fall apart in
you eventually, but

01:07:29.415 --> 01:07:31.275
since you will likely
never use it, they'll

01:07:31.275 --> 01:07:33.615
sit in the safe to be
pulled out and shown to

01:07:33.615 --> 01:07:34.875
unsuspecting victims.

01:07:34.875 --> 01:07:36.645
Occasionally it will
never fail on you because

01:07:36.645 --> 01:07:37.695
you're never going to
do anything with it.

01:07:38.355 --> 01:07:41.925
If you use it full buy,
there are cheap, simple

01:07:41.925 --> 01:07:43.425
sculpts that have been
made for a long time.

01:07:43.455 --> 01:07:43.695
Right?

01:07:43.695 --> 01:07:46.605
If you are in a budget,
go buy burst fulfilled

01:07:47.355 --> 01:07:50.535
$250 made in the
Philippines they've been

01:07:50.535 --> 01:07:52.335
making forever and a
day it's cheap to make

01:07:52.335 --> 01:07:55.485
because the simple scope
it is robust, right?

01:07:55.545 --> 01:07:56.595
For the mentally.

01:07:58.515 --> 01:08:02.385
There is these brands
that are really crappy,

01:08:02.385 --> 01:08:05.175
have been weeded out
from most regular

01:08:05.175 --> 01:08:06.315
competitive landscape.

01:08:07.305 --> 01:08:10.035
They go through eBay,
Amazon, basically,

01:08:10.035 --> 01:08:12.585
they're trying to get
to people who have not

01:08:12.585 --> 01:08:16.845
been around, got a world,
a long enough goodbye.

01:08:17.820 --> 01:08:20.790
But if you stick with
reputable brands or some

01:08:20.790 --> 01:08:22.560
of the smaller companies
that were started by

01:08:22.560 --> 01:08:25.020
people from reputable
brands, athletic will

01:08:25.020 --> 01:08:26.520
not as that small of a
company anymore, good

01:08:26.520 --> 01:08:28.430
company case came out.

01:08:28.500 --> 01:08:30.180
Guys came out of Bush,
not started their own.

01:08:30.420 --> 01:08:33.420
Do really well attract,
attract optics, small

01:08:33.420 --> 01:08:34.380
company out of New York.

01:08:34.380 --> 01:08:36.120
Two guys from Nikon
came out, started their

01:08:36.120 --> 01:08:37.530
own brand and amazing
customer support.

01:08:37.530 --> 01:08:40.200
Good guys, small company
really take care of

01:08:40.200 --> 01:08:43.650
their customers, uh, as
WFA does very good job,

01:08:43.680 --> 01:08:44.990
but you know, we talked
about war techs and

01:08:45.010 --> 01:08:48.300
loophole, uh, SIG changes
stuff very quickly.

01:08:48.360 --> 01:08:49.950
Sometimes I don't
know what to make

01:08:49.950 --> 01:08:50.730
heads or tails of.

01:08:51.270 --> 01:08:51.510
Okay.

01:08:51.540 --> 01:08:53.010
I'm not impressed
with budgets.

01:08:53.010 --> 01:08:54.810
I scopes higher
end stuff is good.

01:08:54.930 --> 01:08:58.080
It seems to be good
budget stuff from Zeiss

01:08:58.200 --> 01:08:59.910
has so much variation
that I don't know what

01:08:59.910 --> 01:09:00.690
to make out of it.

01:09:01.740 --> 01:09:03.540
Uh, Bush and other
companies that are

01:09:03.540 --> 01:09:05.310
mystifying to me, that
changing product quite

01:09:05.320 --> 01:09:07.260
so rapidly that for
a guy like me, who

01:09:07.260 --> 01:09:09.000
makes her commendations
it's totally useless.

01:09:09.870 --> 01:09:11.040
I can just look
at the scope.

01:09:11.040 --> 01:09:12.840
States could not actually
use these things and

01:09:12.840 --> 01:09:13.350
spend a lot of time.

01:09:14.354 --> 01:09:14.745
Right.

01:09:15.014 --> 01:09:16.604
If you're changing your
product lines every

01:09:16.604 --> 01:09:18.555
year, I can't recommend
your products because I

01:09:18.615 --> 01:09:19.694
don't have enough time.

01:09:19.694 --> 01:09:19.904
Right.

01:09:19.904 --> 01:09:21.465
By the time I'm done
evaluating it, you

01:09:21.465 --> 01:09:22.365
just discontinue at it.

01:09:22.365 --> 01:09:23.144
Okay, great.

01:09:23.505 --> 01:09:24.194
That's helpful.

01:09:26.295 --> 01:09:28.724
Uh, so I look at stuff
that's been a, that's

01:09:28.724 --> 01:09:31.484
been out in Maine for a
little while where I've

01:09:31.484 --> 01:09:33.764
been able to, and if
I recommend something,

01:09:33.764 --> 01:09:34.484
then I'll go and track.

01:09:34.484 --> 01:09:35.865
How does for people
who bought it from

01:09:35.865 --> 01:09:36.615
American foundation.

01:09:36.615 --> 01:09:39.194
So I ended up with
reasonably good feel of

01:09:39.194 --> 01:09:40.545
how the product performs.

01:09:42.014 --> 01:09:44.205
So you will not find
the recommendations

01:09:44.205 --> 01:09:47.385
on my websites, uh,
of something that just

01:09:47.385 --> 01:09:51.014
gets rotated every
year, because I can't

01:09:51.495 --> 01:09:54.345
in good faith, evaluate
the performance.

01:09:54.375 --> 01:09:55.305
There's a type
factor too.

01:09:56.144 --> 01:09:56.894
Yeah, it makes sense.

01:09:57.345 --> 01:09:59.115
So look for things,
either from very

01:09:59.115 --> 01:10:01.875
reputable companies,
all look for things

01:10:01.875 --> 01:10:03.165
that have been made
for a little while.

01:10:04.815 --> 01:10:06.675
Well, on that note,
is there anything

01:10:06.675 --> 01:10:08.715
else that we should be
touching on before we

01:10:08.715 --> 01:10:09.345
start looking at rap?

01:10:14.175 --> 01:10:16.185
We haven't talked at all
about observation optics.

01:10:17.055 --> 01:10:18.435
We, didn't not one bet

01:10:21.435 --> 01:10:24.045
by not killers and
a spotting scopes.

01:10:29.055 --> 01:10:31.695
If you're a hunter
or precision shooter,

01:10:31.695 --> 01:10:34.515
you should have a, by
not a hundred percent.

01:10:34.545 --> 01:10:39.285
If you are primarily a
shooter, you should be

01:10:39.285 --> 01:10:41.295
considering a binocular
with a built-in laser

01:10:41.295 --> 01:10:43.635
range finder or a
radicle, or both

01:10:43.755 --> 01:10:45.105
mobile barely exists.

01:10:46.035 --> 01:10:47.925
They used to
be much worse.

01:10:47.985 --> 01:10:50.205
Now they're actually
getting pretty decent.

01:10:50.925 --> 01:10:51.255
Okay.

01:10:51.525 --> 01:10:52.125
To be fair.

01:10:52.125 --> 01:10:54.165
I still hunt with a
conventional binocular

01:10:54.165 --> 01:10:57.375
using vortex razor, Ugg
10 by 50 and a separate,

01:10:57.405 --> 01:11:02.835
uh, like a rangefinder
. Uh, but I'm carefully

01:11:02.835 --> 01:11:05.265
investigating all the
binomials with built in

01:11:05.265 --> 01:11:07.155
laser rangefinders and
they get to increasing

01:11:07.155 --> 01:11:08.775
the better soon enough
there isn't going to be.

01:11:09.900 --> 01:11:12.060
Penalty or not
optics aware.

01:11:12.060 --> 01:11:13.050
I can just
switch to that.

01:11:13.950 --> 01:11:15.930
They're already laser
range finder binoculars.

01:11:15.960 --> 01:11:17.940
They do not have enough
Pendleton optics, but

01:11:17.940 --> 01:11:18.750
they're very expensive.

01:11:18.750 --> 01:11:21.060
Like the, like, uh,
three, two hundred.com

01:11:21.090 --> 01:11:24.060
$3,000, like a
sort of size, but

01:11:24.060 --> 01:11:25.590
not goes with the
integrated laser range.

01:11:25.590 --> 01:11:26.490
Finders are amazing.

01:11:27.750 --> 01:11:29.490
I might still pick one
up, but for now I'm okay

01:11:29.490 --> 01:11:30.330
with the separate ones,

01:11:31.800 --> 01:11:33.600
but over the
SIG, the kilos

01:11:34.500 --> 01:11:34.860
with this.

01:11:34.890 --> 01:11:37.500
So I actually use the
kilo range rangefinder

01:11:37.500 --> 01:11:41.130
for quite awhile at the
latest, a skill of 10

01:11:41.130 --> 01:11:43.830
K uh LRF by not like
I haven't seen yet.

01:11:44.250 --> 01:11:44.490
Yeah.

01:11:45.060 --> 01:11:45.280
So

01:11:46.380 --> 01:11:48.030
I've been impressed
with their laser range

01:11:48.060 --> 01:11:50.490
finder capabilities,
I think like has

01:11:50.490 --> 01:11:51.390
got better glass.

01:11:51.630 --> 01:11:55.770
Yeah, the LRF,
uh, on seeks is

01:11:55.770 --> 01:11:56.250
very good though.

01:11:56.260 --> 01:11:57.960
The lack of has very,
very natural Ahrefs.

01:11:57.970 --> 01:11:59.190
I mean, I just
switched from a sick

01:11:59.190 --> 01:12:02.430
to like a dedicated
laser range finder.

01:12:03.990 --> 01:12:08.430
Um, I can compromise
in the binocular

01:12:08.430 --> 01:12:09.240
on this so much.

01:12:09.900 --> 01:12:11.700
And as far as the laser
range finder works.

01:12:11.760 --> 01:12:14.550
So it kind of depends
on what you're doing

01:12:14.550 --> 01:12:15.360
right for hunting.

01:12:15.660 --> 01:12:18.210
Do you really need to
laser rate to laser

01:12:18.210 --> 01:12:22.890
that pronghorn at 8,000
yards now for longer in

01:12:22.890 --> 01:12:24.780
shooting, sometimes you
want to be able to laser

01:12:24.780 --> 01:12:27.090
them into a ballistic
solution fairly far out.

01:12:27.690 --> 01:12:27.990
Right?

01:12:28.680 --> 01:12:34.590
So from hunting for
hunting standpoint, I, I

01:12:35.580 --> 01:12:37.440
am not really willing to
compromise on the quality

01:12:37.440 --> 01:12:38.980
of the binocular doesn't.

01:12:38.980 --> 01:12:40.380
I'm going to spend a
lot of more time staring

01:12:40.380 --> 01:12:41.820
through binocular
than lasing stuff.

01:12:43.590 --> 01:12:43.830
Okay.

01:12:43.950 --> 01:12:46.470
And if the animal is
2000 yards away, I'm

01:12:46.470 --> 01:12:48.060
not shooting it at
that distance anyway.

01:12:48.390 --> 01:12:48.660
Right.

01:12:48.750 --> 01:12:51.570
And better modern laser
range finders will

01:12:51.570 --> 01:12:54.990
raise, will laser a large
object at a distance.

01:12:54.990 --> 01:12:56.370
I know roughly where
that animal is.

01:12:56.370 --> 01:12:59.370
I don't have to laser
the actual animal just to

01:12:59.370 --> 01:13:01.920
being, uh, further than
I can lays is already

01:13:02.190 --> 01:13:03.000
a piece of information.

01:13:04.500 --> 01:13:04.740
Good.

01:13:05.550 --> 01:13:06.810
So with the laser,
I try and you can

01:13:06.810 --> 01:13:07.350
buy an ocular.

01:13:07.500 --> 01:13:10.710
There's up to a
certain point.

01:13:10.710 --> 01:13:12.420
I'm not willing to
sacrifice an obstacle

01:13:12.420 --> 01:13:18.480
course for comp for
precision PRS use

01:13:18.480 --> 01:13:19.440
and stuff like that.

01:13:20.670 --> 01:13:22.440
Uh, get the high
magnification, get a

01:13:22.440 --> 01:13:24.870
high-quality 15, 18
power binocular, because

01:13:24.870 --> 01:13:26.070
you'll be staring
through this thing a

01:13:26.070 --> 01:13:27.990
lot and looking through
things with two eyes

01:13:27.990 --> 01:13:29.670
as much less fatiguing
than with one eye.

01:13:31.440 --> 01:13:33.660
And everybody goes,
oh, it's not that bad.

01:13:33.660 --> 01:13:34.740
My eye will just rest.

01:13:34.740 --> 01:13:36.420
No, it takes a long
time until you sleep.

01:13:36.420 --> 01:13:37.410
Your eye is not
fully rested.

01:13:37.440 --> 01:13:39.240
If you're going to be
glassing for a while

01:13:39.240 --> 01:13:41.250
and then shooting,
you want to cut

01:13:41.250 --> 01:13:42.060
down a knife at you.

01:13:42.630 --> 01:13:46.320
So I, I always will glass
with my, um, my left

01:13:46.320 --> 01:13:48.120
eye because I'm shooting
predominantly right.

01:13:48.120 --> 01:13:48.750
Eye dominant.

01:13:49.050 --> 01:13:49.320
I do

01:13:49.320 --> 01:13:50.520
bless with a
spotting scope.

01:13:50.910 --> 01:13:51.270
Yes.

01:13:51.780 --> 01:13:51.990
Yeah.

01:13:52.020 --> 01:13:52.830
Glass with binoculars.

01:13:55.890 --> 01:13:58.800
So I'll, I'll do both by
nose and spotting scope,

01:13:58.860 --> 01:14:01.200
but you'd say doing
both eyes to restrain on

01:14:01.200 --> 01:14:01.980
both is better, is it?

01:14:02.790 --> 01:14:03.120
Yeah.

01:14:03.150 --> 01:14:05.910
So the, if you're
only looking through

01:14:05.910 --> 01:14:07.800
the spotting scope,
are you all right?

01:14:07.800 --> 01:14:10.200
I still straining
less than the last

01:14:10.320 --> 01:14:11.010
it's still straining.

01:14:11.490 --> 01:14:11.910
Okay.

01:14:12.330 --> 01:14:14.280
Because remember it's the
brain that's interpreting

01:14:14.280 --> 01:14:15.600
the images, right.

01:14:16.200 --> 01:14:16.440
Okay.

01:14:17.290 --> 01:14:17.670
Good point.

01:14:17.940 --> 01:14:23.100
Uh, my, what elk
hunting in New Mexico.

01:14:23.910 --> 01:14:25.260
We never needed
a spotting scope.

01:14:25.260 --> 01:14:28.920
Once we'll use 10 to
12 power binoculars,

01:14:29.700 --> 01:14:30.600
sheep hunting.

01:14:31.230 --> 01:14:35.040
We only needed a spotting
scope to judge, uh,

01:14:35.040 --> 01:14:38.670
the horns for finding
sheep and et cetera.

01:14:38.700 --> 01:14:40.440
If I wasn't going for the
biggest stuff, I wouldn't

01:14:40.440 --> 01:14:42.210
need a spotting scope.

01:14:42.690 --> 01:14:43.050
Right.

01:14:43.620 --> 01:14:45.720
But fifth generation
power binoculars that

01:14:45.720 --> 01:14:46.950
a couple of people
had ended up being

01:14:46.950 --> 01:14:47.670
extremely useful.

01:14:48.480 --> 01:14:48.900
Okay.

01:14:49.470 --> 01:14:52.500
Um, by.

01:14:53.985 --> 01:14:57.765
Bye high-power by an,
on a tripod is quite

01:14:57.765 --> 01:14:58.485
a remarkable tool.

01:14:58.495 --> 01:15:00.555
You you'll be amazed in
how far you can see with

01:15:00.615 --> 01:15:02.235
what you don't think
as much manifestation.

01:15:03.225 --> 01:15:05.175
Um, if you see powered
by an ocular will

01:15:05.175 --> 01:15:08.025
generally over any
length of time will

01:15:08.055 --> 01:15:10.365
give you a better image
than comparable quality

01:15:10.365 --> 01:15:11.925
at 2223 power spotter.

01:15:13.215 --> 01:15:13.905
Interesting

01:15:15.255 --> 01:15:17.175
last week for everyone
with this trade-off

01:15:17.175 --> 01:15:19.365
this, uh, is a little bit
different for everyone,

01:15:19.365 --> 01:15:20.175
but that's the ballpark.

01:15:20.775 --> 01:15:22.245
I did some tests a
little while back,

01:15:22.275 --> 01:15:26.145
uh, on, uh, 20 power
by not killers versus

01:15:26.145 --> 01:15:29.205
15 power binoculars
versus a spotting scope.

01:15:30.045 --> 01:15:32.265
Uh, the 20 power
binoculars had 56

01:15:32.265 --> 01:15:33.015
millimeter objectives.

01:15:33.015 --> 01:15:34.365
So there's the pupils
got a little bit too

01:15:34.365 --> 01:15:37.395
small for me glassing
off of the tripod,

01:15:37.425 --> 01:15:39.525
15 to 18 powers where
the sweet spot was.

01:15:40.215 --> 01:15:40.575
Okay.

01:15:40.635 --> 01:15:42.195
I could see really
far away with not

01:15:42.195 --> 01:15:42.915
that much effort.

01:15:42.925 --> 01:15:43.905
You're going to go
through the glass

01:15:43.905 --> 01:15:44.505
for a long time.

01:15:45.495 --> 01:15:46.125
Interesting.

01:15:46.965 --> 01:15:48.585
Let's weaken the pack,
which is nice too.

01:15:50.879 --> 01:15:52.900
Now if you are
Traficante, you

01:15:52.900 --> 01:15:54.540
really need to look
at antlers in animal

01:15:54.540 --> 01:15:55.769
ease indeed far away.

01:15:56.849 --> 01:15:59.400
The spotting scope might
not be a bad thing,

01:15:59.400 --> 01:16:01.769
but, um, I'm probably
a less experienced

01:16:01.769 --> 01:16:02.460
hunter than you are.

01:16:02.460 --> 01:16:09.210
So use your best
judgment, but if I'm

01:16:09.240 --> 01:16:11.700
dry or riding around
in a four by four and

01:16:11.700 --> 01:16:13.920
ATV or something like
that, I'll, I'll happily

01:16:13.920 --> 01:16:15.299
have a spotter in it,
but I'm not going to

01:16:15.299 --> 01:16:16.110
hike with it up here.

01:16:17.940 --> 01:16:19.830
yeah, she punting I'll
bring the spotting scope

01:16:19.830 --> 01:16:22.259
for just making sure
you're making that legal

01:16:22.259 --> 01:16:23.250
shot, but you're right.

01:16:23.250 --> 01:16:24.870
The majority of the
work is done with

01:16:24.870 --> 01:16:25.740
your, your by knows.

01:16:27.750 --> 01:16:28.920
And it's another
thing, if you think

01:16:28.920 --> 01:16:30.719
it might be taking a
longer shot, right?

01:16:30.719 --> 01:16:32.309
If there's a lightweight
scope that gives you

01:16:32.309 --> 01:16:34.259
a mobile notification
and it's a very high

01:16:34.259 --> 01:16:41.730
quality scope, is that
a spotter right here is.

01:16:43.230 --> 01:16:47.130
Uh, that's a March
five to 42 by 56.

01:16:47.130 --> 01:16:49.530
Really amazing obstacle
quality look heavier

01:16:49.530 --> 01:16:52.290
than I want on the sheep
rifle, but it's, uh,

01:16:52.310 --> 01:16:54.780
it takes less weight
to put this on a nice

01:16:54.780 --> 01:16:56.850
long range rifle than to
carry an extra spotter.

01:16:57.960 --> 01:16:58.560
That's a good point.

01:16:58.560 --> 01:16:59.610
It goes up to 40 power.

01:17:02.460 --> 01:17:03.810
Yeah, that's a
good consideration.

01:17:04.230 --> 01:17:04.500
Right?

01:17:04.530 --> 01:17:06.450
So there is more
than one way to skin.

01:17:06.450 --> 01:17:10.650
A cat, um, spotting
scopes do have their

01:17:10.660 --> 01:17:14.340
place, but for me,
that place is not

01:17:14.340 --> 01:17:14.940
in my backpack.

01:17:16.320 --> 01:17:18.060
I did not get
fat by doing

01:17:18.060 --> 01:17:19.140
unnecessary exercise.

01:17:20.520 --> 01:17:20.640
Right.

01:17:22.020 --> 01:17:23.790
So you're usually
using your spotting

01:17:23.790 --> 01:17:24.870
scope, the range

01:17:25.440 --> 01:17:26.340
on the range
all the time.

01:17:26.790 --> 01:17:27.030
Yeah.

01:17:27.150 --> 01:17:31.860
Um, but when I'm shooting
a yards and stuff like

01:17:31.860 --> 01:17:34.380
that, when I'm doing
precision stuff, like.

01:17:35.340 --> 01:17:36.870
And not magnification
the rifle scope.

01:17:37.440 --> 01:17:39.180
So I'll use a spotting
scope of him setting

01:17:39.180 --> 01:17:39.900
up behind the shooter.

01:17:39.900 --> 01:17:40.740
If I'm shooting
with somebody, I

01:17:40.740 --> 01:17:41.460
set up behind them.

01:17:41.460 --> 01:17:42.630
When I look at the
trace, that kind of

01:17:42.630 --> 01:17:44.760
stuff, I'm not going to
set up my rifle behind

01:17:44.760 --> 01:17:45.450
somebody shooting.

01:17:46.110 --> 01:17:48.300
It could be, I mean,
I'm cocky with it, but

01:17:48.300 --> 01:17:49.170
the guy in front of my

01:17:49.170 --> 01:17:50.340
rifle might be,
might not be.

01:17:51.269 --> 01:17:52.740
What are your
thoughts on those

01:17:52.740 --> 01:17:54.059
core spotting scopes?

01:17:54.360 --> 01:17:58.530
Um, the balance
again, I'm a shooter,

01:17:58.530 --> 01:17:59.940
not, not a birder.

01:17:59.970 --> 01:18:01.920
I will not buy a spotting
scope without a radicle.

01:18:02.910 --> 01:18:03.390
Okay.

01:18:04.380 --> 01:18:05.910
If I am spotting
for somebody, I need

01:18:05.910 --> 01:18:07.530
the radical to call
out corrections.

01:18:08.340 --> 01:18:10.830
If I'm trying to find
something, I can use

01:18:10.830 --> 01:18:13.230
the radical for quick
range estimation.

01:18:13.740 --> 01:18:16.920
Since I'm not trying to
distinguish a, kolibri

01:18:17.190 --> 01:18:20.190
eating a mosquito,
uh, three miles out,

01:18:20.460 --> 01:18:21.750
the radical does
not get in my way.

01:18:24.030 --> 01:18:26.220
Colwell doesn't
like guns.

01:18:26.220 --> 01:18:28.710
So they refuse to put the
radical in their raffles,

01:18:28.769 --> 01:18:29.940
in their spotting scopes.

01:18:30.510 --> 01:18:30.809
Yeah,

01:18:30.840 --> 01:18:36.075
unfortunately, well, And
so what, what radical

01:18:36.075 --> 01:18:38.415
spotting scope, uh, are
you currently using?

01:18:39.705 --> 01:18:45.945
I use an Athlon, uh, S
uh, UHD Athlone Kronos.

01:18:46.005 --> 01:18:47.775
Uh, they have a, kind
of a field spotter

01:18:48.405 --> 01:18:49.095
with the radical.

01:18:51.645 --> 01:18:53.955
I helped them
conceptualize

01:18:53.955 --> 01:18:54.495
those radicals.

01:18:54.495 --> 01:18:55.425
So they work well for me.

01:18:55.935 --> 01:18:56.535
Very nice.

01:18:56.685 --> 01:19:00.825
If I could afford it,
I'd be using a consult

01:19:01.395 --> 01:19:02.295
it's even expensive.

01:19:03.555 --> 01:19:05.445
Uh, there's another
spot or coming out

01:19:05.445 --> 01:19:06.165
to the market soon.

01:19:06.165 --> 01:19:07.335
They haven't
announced it yet.

01:19:07.935 --> 01:19:11.745
Which if all goes
well, should work kind

01:19:11.745 --> 01:19:13.005
of like the canceled
for less money.

01:19:13.005 --> 01:19:13.965
I might pick that one up.

01:19:14.475 --> 01:19:14.715
Okay.

01:19:15.555 --> 01:19:19.875
Um, so it's going
to be interesting.

01:19:20.415 --> 01:19:23.145
Uh, vortex razor has
a radical IPS for the

01:19:23.205 --> 01:19:24.165
85 millimeter spot.

01:19:24.165 --> 01:19:25.035
It's actually quite nice.

01:19:26.295 --> 01:19:29.025
Uh, for quite a
while I used the.

01:19:30.059 --> 01:19:34.530
Um, Swarovski S T R
spotting scope with

01:19:34.530 --> 01:19:36.360
a projected, uh,
eliminated radical.

01:19:36.360 --> 01:19:37.380
That was very, very nice.

01:19:37.950 --> 01:19:39.750
Let's just sold it
in used Hensoldt

01:19:39.750 --> 01:19:40.110
for a while.

01:19:40.110 --> 01:19:41.610
I think Hansel had
better that the field

01:19:41.610 --> 01:19:42.179
a little bit better.

01:19:42.690 --> 01:19:42.900
Okay.

01:19:42.929 --> 01:19:45.059
Both are very nice
expensive though, right?

01:19:45.059 --> 01:19:45.360
Yeah.

01:19:46.769 --> 01:19:48.780
In practical terms,
the one I use the most

01:19:48.840 --> 01:19:53.880
is the Athlone era's
a UHG and I have a, I

01:19:53.880 --> 01:19:56.309
think it's a 22 power
IPS for the radical,

01:19:57.150 --> 01:19:58.800
and that's basically
enough for my purposes.

01:19:58.800 --> 01:19:59.969
I don't really need
more than that.

01:20:00.000 --> 01:20:01.920
And it's small and
light and I could move

01:20:01.920 --> 01:20:05.790
it around easily and we
find one to more of a

01:20:06.510 --> 01:20:08.910
field support or take
something into the field,

01:20:08.910 --> 01:20:10.230
actually use this guy.

01:20:10.290 --> 01:20:11.130
This is also.

01:20:12.464 --> 01:20:15.615
This is a Kronos,
it's a seven to 42

01:20:15.615 --> 01:20:18.105
magnification, 50,
60 minute Metro

01:20:18.105 --> 01:20:19.605
objective module.

01:20:19.605 --> 01:20:21.375
It's not the most amazing
school, but it is quite

01:20:21.375 --> 01:20:24.405
good, but because it goes
down to seven power, I

01:20:24.405 --> 01:20:26.285
can use it as a handheld
monocular wouldn't

01:20:26.285 --> 01:20:27.764
I need to, right.

01:20:28.094 --> 01:20:29.474
So I actually use
this quite a lot.

01:20:30.764 --> 01:20:31.964
That's good enough
for my purposes.

01:20:35.804 --> 01:20:38.144
Well, I think we've,
uh, we've kinda

01:20:38.384 --> 01:20:41.054
covered the broad
gamut about you, your

01:20:41.054 --> 01:20:44.174
background, about dark
load of Octa XR, calm.

01:20:44.295 --> 01:20:46.514
Uh, it gives people some
food for thought when

01:20:46.514 --> 01:20:49.394
thinking about a rifle,
scopes and binoculars

01:20:49.394 --> 01:20:50.504
and spotting scopes.

01:20:51.134 --> 01:20:55.575
Um, I think, uh, from a,
a more technical in-depth

01:20:55.575 --> 01:20:57.825
sort of standpoint, I
would love to, to, uh,

01:20:57.855 --> 01:21:03.585
do a deep dive into
some of the optics and,

01:21:03.674 --> 01:21:05.804
uh, how they work and
how people should be

01:21:05.804 --> 01:21:06.825
setting them up properly.

01:21:07.155 --> 01:21:08.594
But I think that's
something probably safe

01:21:08.594 --> 01:21:09.754
for, uh, for a future.

01:21:11.880 --> 01:21:15.389
Food for thought,
go shoot.

01:21:18.150 --> 01:21:18.690
Just shoot.

01:21:21.030 --> 01:21:22.530
If you don't shoot,
you do not know

01:21:22.530 --> 01:21:23.070
what you need.

01:21:25.380 --> 01:21:27.090
Shoot in different
lighting conditions,

01:21:27.599 --> 01:21:29.400
shoot from different
shooting positions.

01:21:30.630 --> 01:21:33.120
Get off the bench,
shoot with the rear of

01:21:33.120 --> 01:21:34.080
the rifle on support.

01:21:34.790 --> 01:21:37.230
It will change how you
look at rifle scopes.

01:21:40.969 --> 01:21:43.490
Yeah, it will put
sitting, standing

01:21:44.179 --> 01:21:47.599
kneeling fraud,
supported rear supported,

01:21:47.809 --> 01:21:50.570
learn to shoot with a
sling undershoot prod

01:21:50.570 --> 01:21:52.490
with a sling, learn
to shoot kneeling

01:21:52.490 --> 01:21:54.290
with a sling that
supports you slightly.

01:21:56.120 --> 01:21:58.130
If you're basing your
rifle scope decision

01:21:58.130 --> 01:22:00.530
based on, uh, if you're
basing a rifle, scope

01:22:00.530 --> 01:22:04.400
decisions, primarily on
shooting from the bench

01:22:04.400 --> 01:22:07.009
at a hundred yards,
you're doing a troll.

01:22:10.559 --> 01:22:12.059
Yeah, there's a hell
of a lot more to it

01:22:12.210 --> 01:22:13.200
than just that the

01:22:13.200 --> 01:22:17.160
choice over a rifle
scope is primarily driven

01:22:17.160 --> 01:22:18.210
by the application.

01:22:18.719 --> 01:22:19.620
Not by the gun.

01:22:19.620 --> 01:22:20.429
You have it sitting on.

01:22:20.429 --> 01:22:21.900
Like I keep on
hearing this nonsense

01:22:21.900 --> 01:22:22.410
thousand dollars.

01:22:22.440 --> 01:22:23.969
God need a thousand
dollars scope.

01:22:24.450 --> 01:22:25.440
No bullshit.

01:22:26.400 --> 01:22:29.790
The scope has to be
matched to the targets.

01:22:29.790 --> 01:22:30.330
You're shooting.

01:22:30.330 --> 01:22:31.860
How far, where you're
shooting them with

01:22:31.860 --> 01:22:33.240
lighting conditions,
you're shooting them

01:22:33.240 --> 01:22:36.210
with and the requirements
for the iBox meaning

01:22:36.210 --> 01:22:37.110
shooting positions.

01:22:38.040 --> 01:22:40.559
I have not said anything
about what rifle it's on.

01:22:42.360 --> 01:22:44.849
I've had $5,000
rifles rifle scopes

01:22:44.849 --> 01:22:45.990
on $500 rifles.

01:22:45.990 --> 01:22:50.340
They were quick  if
you only shoot off the

01:22:50.340 --> 01:22:52.740
bat, you can put the
$500 scope in a $5,000

01:22:52.750 --> 01:22:53.429
rifle it'll work.

01:22:53.519 --> 01:22:53.820
Great.

01:22:55.769 --> 01:22:55.980
Okay.

01:22:56.610 --> 01:22:57.870
It's not about the rifle.

01:22:57.870 --> 01:22:58.769
It's about what
you do with it.

01:22:59.610 --> 01:23:00.780
That's how you
choose a scope.

01:23:03.540 --> 01:23:06.780
Thank you very much for
being on that social core

01:23:06.780 --> 01:23:09.690
podcast relief really
enjoyed our conversation

01:23:09.750 --> 01:23:11.400
and learned a lot.

01:23:12.270 --> 01:23:13.050
Oh, excellent.

01:23:14.310 --> 01:23:15.240
Nice conversation.

01:23:15.240 --> 01:23:17.400
I reckon we should
do this again.