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Travis Bader: I've got a
simple question for you.

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Are you happy with your life?

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Are you passionate about what you do?

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Do you wake up each morning,
excited and full of energy?

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If the answer is yes, fantastic.

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If the answer is no, have you explored
what you can do to change this?

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Would you turn your back on a
large sum of money in favor of a

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life that aligns with your soul?

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In today's podcast, Joe Appel
talks about walking away from the

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most lucrative contracts in his
professional football career to pursue

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a lifestyle that truly brings him joy.

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Now let's get on with the podcast.

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Our guest today is a former CFL player
who's transitioned seamlessly from

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the football field to the backcountry
with a passion for sustainable hunting

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and a dedication to conservation.

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He's made a significant impact,
both on and off the field.

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His story is one of resilience,
discipline, and an unwavering

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love for the outdoors.

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Welcome to the Silvercore
podcast, Joe Appel.

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Travis, thank you so much for having me.

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That was quite the introduction.

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You built me up pretty high.

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I better, uh, I better do my best
here to live up to expectations after

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that intro, but I appreciate it.

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Travis Bader: I tell you, you're
going to have to perform now.

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Well, I mean, we broke.

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The Cardinal rule that I usually have
when podcasting guaranteed, whenever I

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have a podcast, the best conversation
will happen before I press record

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and after I press record, because
everyone's going to be at ease.

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Right.

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And so usually what I like to do is I
like to sit down and kind of go into a

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blind, but what do we do this morning?

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We just

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came back from, I think, four hours out
on the, out on the ocean, doing some

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crabbing and hanging out and naturally.

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Two gentlemen such as ourselves could
not stop gabbing the entire time.

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So I think we would be hard pressed
to find a single topic that we

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haven't already touched on today.

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Travis Bader: You know what?

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We're going to try and then we're
going to act surprised when we

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talk about things that we've
already talked about on the boat.

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Oh, I, I think it will still be great.

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Cause to like, we were somewhat controlled
in that we cut ourselves off as we

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started getting down some interesting
tangents and you were very, you were

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far more responsible than I was, I
was like, yeah, let's keep chatting,

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Joe, we're drawing a line right here.

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Taking a note.

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We'll talk about this later.

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So I think we, we have a
good foundational knowledge.

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It'll be exciting to see
how it plays out this way.

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I'm interested.

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Travis Bader: Yeah.

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Yeah, me too.

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Well, I mean, I think the
audience will let us know as well.

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Some people will have
already known about you.

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They will have seen you on wild
TV or seen your show, the edge.

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And some people will know about you
through your professional career,

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playing football for the CFL.

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How would you tell me a little
bit about your background

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and we'll play it from there.

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Sure.

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I'll, uh, I'll try and keep
it somewhat short and sweet.

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Um, but yeah, with the outdoor
side of life, I mean, I was born

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and raised here in, uh, Bracadale
or Squamish, British Columbia.

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Uh, my father was a welder, um, and
then he had a landscaping company.

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My mother ran the local
mushroom buying station.

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Uh, but we gardened, we fished, we hunted.

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That's just what we did year round.

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That was my, my primary
passion in my younger years.

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Um, and, and, uh, Yeah, I, I just
absolutely love being in the outdoors

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and there's not really many places you
get to be where you're exposed to more

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of it than somewhere like Squamish.

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So I was very fortunate, uh, but as time
went on, um, I grew to be quite large.

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I mean, you and I look each other
in the eye, so I'm, I'm a tall man.

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I'm six, eight and, uh, I started to kind
of come out of people were like, Oh my

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God, this guy has some athletic potential.

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So the athletic side of my life
started to take me down a different

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path and pulled me away from
the outdoors for a little while.

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Um, but taught me a lot
of valuable life lessons.

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Um, but yeah, I ended up playing
college ball at Washington State, was

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fortunate enough to get drafted in the
CFL, played five years professional

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football for the Toronto Argonauts,
won a great cup, that was a blast.

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And then I realized my career was getting
to a point where I wasn't passionate about

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the sport anymore and I wanted to find
something that I was passionate about.

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So, I had made a lot of valuable,
Life connections at that time.

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And I stepped away from sports
and I went back to school.

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I got my master's, uh, my MBA
marketing and advertising focus

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and a little bit of sales in there.

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Um, and, uh, started transitioning
into life post athletics.

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Um, took on my first role managing Western
Canada for an athletic supplement company.

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And I just wasn't happy in that industry.

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It was a lot of, Nothing is people that
are, but it just wasn't as pertinent to

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my life anymore at that stage because
I've moved out of professional sports.

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Um, and I just kept my eyes open for
opportunities in the outdoor world.

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And that was my true passion from a
very young age, as mentioned, outdoors

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was always my biggest passion.

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And I was fortunate enough to
stumble across an opportunity in the

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marketing and sales side with wild TV.

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And fortunately for me, um, part of that.

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Career ended up opening some doors
as well to, to host a show on,

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uh, on wild TV, which is the edge.

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And I'm now we're filming season six.

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So I've been doing it for six years.

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It was crazy.

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And, uh, yeah, I mean, it's funny.

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My, my athletic career was it in my mind
as a child, my athletic professional

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athletic career was a more feasible,
reasonable goal, and, uh, you know,

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Having a career in the outdoor space
was unreasonable and unattainable.

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Um, and here I am fortunate enough to
have lived, you know, a professional

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athletic career, and now I'm
living like my true dream of being

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able to go out in the mountains
and share my passion with people.

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Um, but I still do have to work
a desk job in the background.

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So let's, let's be honest about that.

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It's not all fun and games.

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I do have to do a lot
of desk work as well.

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Well, how much desk work do you,
would you say you typically put in?

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If I'm not in the bush, I'm good,
you know, eight to 12 hours a day.

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This is my little lab.

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I have my computer screen,
but I'm doing a lot.

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It's a dealing a lot of, um, talking
with companies, planning corporate

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campaigns, um, helping them enter the
Canadian space, a lot of different stuff,

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a lot of boring things that people would
not be as interested in hearing about.

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But.

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They don't fire me when fall comes
around and I take a lot of time off

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for the hunting and doing all of that.

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So it's that, it's that balance where
when I'm home, I'm working basically

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full time, like more than full time.

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I'm, I'm a hundred
percent invested in that.

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But when hunting season rolls around,
if I got to take 10, 14 days off to

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go do a, you know, Back countries
don't cheat on, they don't bat an eye,

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Travis Bader: you know,
and, and I love it out here.

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And I've been looking at the
Squamish area for a while.

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It's like, you know, it's kind of nice.

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I live in Ladner.

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I'm in the downtown ish area.

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If I want to get somewhere, I'm
battling traffic for hours to get

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there that I'm battling traffic.

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I've got to get back.

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You've got the back country
right here in your backyard.

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Absolutely.

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God's country.

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You've got a free boat launch
right out here where we

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launched our crab traps from.

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Um, how does that impact your ability
to do your day job and your desk job?

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And obviously there's the benefit that
you can get out of the back country, but.

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Do you find there's a constant nag
and pull to, uh, have you outside?

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It, it makes it tough

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to stay at my desk when I wake up
and the weather conditions are right.

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And I'm like, I should be in the mountains
and I know I have to get through a

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pitch or a proposal or prepare some
documents or work on something there.

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And I'm like, but.

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There was a 10 degree temperature
drop last night and we're

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getting a black tail, right?

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Like maybe I should go hit the mountains
a bit and run some bluffs, but at the

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same time, it gives me the ability to
still be here and work consistently.

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And then if, if I do need to sneak out for
an evening hunt or go check trail cams or

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do something like that, it's, it's doable.

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I mean, here we are today, it's noon.

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We're back in my office, we've been
out on the water for how long today?

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Hanging out for hours.

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So that ease of access, it's, it creates
a lot of opportunity where I can, you

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know, kill two birds with one stone
in a day, but it definitely creates

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that pull where, you know, it's very
tempting to play hooky a little bit.

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Travis Bader: No kidding.

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And now you've got a, got a young one
running around and it's going to add

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this whole different dynamic to where
what's going to be pulling you in your

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time, that's, uh, quite the adventure.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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I mean, having having junior
around, um, is an absolute blast.

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It's almost like I get to be exposed
to the outdoors for the first time

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again, getting to see it all through
his eyes and share those experiences.

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It takes me back through my childhood,
so I get to relive that excitement and

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Having that be your child and knowing
and seeing him gain that appreciation

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for the outdoors, um, is really
special, but yeah, it definitely is a

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pull on time where before going away
on a hunt, like a 10, 14 day hunt,

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I could tell my wife, I have to go.

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This is part of what I'm doing.

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She understands it a lot
more than my son understands.

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He wants to jump in the truck,
wants to go hunting with dad.

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That's a challenge.

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That's going to be a hard one for sure.

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Travis Bader: So what happens if he
grows up to be a six foot eight giant?

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Then I don't have to pack my
moose out of the chicken carcass.

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That'll be great.

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Would you encourage him
to go down the same route?

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Do professional football.

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Would you encourage him to
go to professional sports?

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Cause you know, we, we went
to the same high school.

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It turns out I got in because I was a big
guy and I remember it was coach Del Monte

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and he's waiting down at the admissions
office down below and I'd written

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my test and I walk on in and I, I'm
getting ready to go and return my test.

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And I'm feeling pretty good.

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Like I wrote it well, and he stops
and he says, Trav, hold on a second.

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Um, do you play ball?

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I said, well, I mean, I've
played football before, right?

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And he says, well, will you
play football for our school?

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I'm like, I don't know, maybe, right?

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He's like, hold on.

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I'm going to cut to the chase.

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If you play football for our school.

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I'll make sure that this
test gets in the right hands.

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I'm like, I'll play football for
the school and I'll get on through.

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So, um, but my heart wasn't in it.

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My heart was not in that sort of
road, even though I was built for it.

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What would you tell your son?

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So

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I will absolutely.

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Motivate or push my son to get
into something where he can lose.

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That's what I want him to do.

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So I don't care if it's football.

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I mean, if he's smart, I'll tell him
not to play football because I've

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done a lot of damage to my body.

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I've had three reconstructive shoulders.

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Like this is as hard as high as
I can lift my arm to the side.

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I can't externally rotate.

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They've been wanting to do a shoulder
replacement since my mid twenties.

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I have a herniated C5 C6 slowly
causing my hands to go numb.

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I had a whole bunch of surgeries.

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It's a mess, but I learned
so many valuable life lessons

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through my athletic career.

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And it.

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I was mentioning earlier, it
built me up to be at a place

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where I had such a platform.

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It created these opportunities
for the outdoors.

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I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing today
if it wasn't for the life lessons I've

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learned, the academic career, my athletics
provided me, all of those types of things.

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Put me in the situation.

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I am today.

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My original plan was to work construction.

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I was working for Peter Kiewit redoing
the highway because we, we had the

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Olympic bid and that's what I would
have been doing and nothing against that

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career, but my life changed completely
because of the doors, my athletics.

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Opened up for me.

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Right.

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So, and, and I think it's important, you
know, going to a sport where you learn how

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to lose face, those moments where you, you
really want to win in the game, or you are

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the reason the team loses and you have to
deal with that heartbreak that motivates

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you to want to get better and improve.

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And I think those are some of the
biggest life lessons you can learn.

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So, um, one of my biggest things, I don't
care if it's ping pong, if it's bad,

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like whatever it could be competitive
knitting for all I care, if he gets in

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something where he can get his hopes up.

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Work hard, have his heart broken,
learn to improve, get better.

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That's, that's my goal for them.

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Travis Bader: That's a piece of the
puzzle that for many years, I think a

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lot of people have been overlooking.

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I think there are very well meaning
parents out there who want their

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child to do well, and this is
why we see eighth place ribbons.

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You come in eighth place, but
you still get a ribbon, right?

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No ribbons are for the people who win or
the parents will go in and they'll say,

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uh, they'll argue with the teacher and
they'll try and get their grades raised.

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Yeah.

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And they don't realize the disservice that
they're actually doing to an individual.

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I think that's why we have safe spaces
now, because people lack the ability

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and the resilience that's created
from, from losing there's winners.

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There's losers, maybe, maybe a lose
the foot race every single time,

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but man, you're a good artist.

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Yeah, it

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forces you to either want to get
better at your craft, at what

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you're working on, or realize maybe
that's not the direction for you.

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What else can you excel
at and get better at?

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I mean, you know, There's heartbreaks
in life, and as a parent you want to

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protect your kid from that, but I think
it's a selfish thing to do, and this is

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my opinion, so anybody out there that
has a different opinion, that's your

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opinion, but I think it's selfish for
the parent not to understand that's our

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burden to take on, and to help guide and
coach your kid how to get through that.

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So for me, like the biggest things
that have led to me becoming a

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stubborn prick, And makes me somewhat
successful, somewhat, very much your

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quotations, somewhat successful in the
back country is I know how to fail.

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I know how to push through adversity.

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I know how to do all of that because
a lot of my athletic career was around

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not succeeding, was around being
big enough, but not good enough.

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Oh, we'll keep working on
him because he's so large.

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He can't teach size.

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But he sucks.

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So we'll keep working on him.

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I can relate to that.

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Exactly.

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So then, so then I learned
how to fail, but keep working

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to get better, to get better.

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Because I was so big, people
were like, he sucks right now.

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But if we keep working on him,
keep pushing him in the right

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direction, he'll eventually get good.

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So I eventually got half decent at sports.

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Um, but I learned the value of
failing, the value of getting

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back at it and improving.

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And then I got to see the benefit
of getting to the other side.

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And that's one of the biggest things
is I think nowadays people coddle

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because as a parent, you don't want
to see your kid fail because for you,

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it's going to make you feel terrible
and you're going to, you, you're going

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to, it's going to break your heart.

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Travis Bader: Um, that, and I
think a lot of parents put their

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own, their own, uh, aspirations,
their own dreams onto their child.

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And they.

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They lose sight of the fact
that this is their child's life.

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And they're, they feel like a
failure if their child fails and

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they don't want to, I don't know,
look bad in front of other parents.

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Whereas I'm in the same camp as you.

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I'd much rather see my kids fall
and get up, fall and get up.

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And I, and I wonder, I wonder if that's
just got to do with the fact that I

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failed so many damn times as a child
and I can see the benefit to that.

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Yeah.

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You learn such a

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resilience through that.

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And, and I think, yeah, there's just
invaluable life lessons that come with

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that failure process and understanding
the work and then the pride and the

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self confidence that's gained when
you do work through that and you get

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through it and you're like, Oh my
God, I'm capable of so much more.

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Like, think about hunting.

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You go on a hunt day one,
you're successful on that hunt.

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You're like, that was a cool hunt.

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You don't appreciate it.

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You go out, you have a close call,
you miss an animal, you blow a stock,

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something happens, you are heartbroken.

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You don't stop thinking about it.

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You think in your mind, how can I improve?

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What can I do to get better?

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And you work towards it.

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Then when you are successful,
that success is so much sweeter

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because you've worked for it.

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You've earned it and you
gain that confidence.

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You've gained that knowledge.

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It didn't just happen.

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You earned it.

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And I think that leads
to so much more success.

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And I think that's.

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That's the same across the board through.

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Scholastics through athletics, through

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Travis Bader: hunting,
through anything you do.

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So you're playing pro ball and
you decide at some point, maybe

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this isn't the path for me.

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What was it that, that pushed you?

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Was it injuries?

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Was there something burning inside
your heart saying, Hey, I've got to,

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I got to move somewhere different.

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What was it for you?

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It was

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good question.

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It was, it was kind of a perfect
storm of a lot of different

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things happening at the same time.

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Um, I had had my.

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Second and third shoulder surgery
in a very close period of time.

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Um, and I had been picked up by auto in
the expansion draft Toronto Argonauts.

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They could protect a
certain amount of people.

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They didn't protect me cause I had two
surgeries planned for that off season.

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So I ended up getting drafted by
Ottawa and I was going to a new team.

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Um, my father, um, during that off
season, tough subject, but he was

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diagnosed with brain cancer and ended
up passing that same off season.

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So I spent a lot of time, he.

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I was by his side through the whole
process, and we had a lot of talks and

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talked about, you know, quality of life,
living a dream you want to do, don't

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push things you're not passionate about.

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He kept saying, we were in Ontario,
he wanted to get back to BC, he

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wasn't physically able to travel
anymore, they wouldn't even, you

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know, I couldn't buy him a plane
ticket or have anybody fly him.

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So he ended up passing in Ontario and
wanted to be back in the mountains, and

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there was, there was a lot to that, uh,
I did a lot of soul searching and, and

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was able to gain a lot of perspective
through my dad's eyes at that time.

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And then I sat in on the CBA negotiations
and I watched how the ownership behind

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the CFL talked about the athletes and I
really started feeling like a complete

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piece of meat and a cog in the system.

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And there was just a few
things that happened.

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So surgeries, perspective shift through
my conversations with my father and, and,

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and kind of seeing life through a new
light and then seeing how the ownerships.

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They talk to you sweet in one way,
but in the CBA negotiations, it's

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completely different conversation.

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So I took a look back and I was
like, what am I doing with my life?

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Am I happy here?

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Was not happy.

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I was playing a sport that I was good
at, that I was quote unquote billed for.

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I was never truly passionate
about football the way I was

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passionate about other things
in life, but I was big enough.

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So I fit, I fit the, I fit
the puzzle and it worked.

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Can't eat size.

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Um, so then I looked at myself and
like, well, I have a lot of great

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Network connections, a lot of people
that if I could add value back to

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them, it would open a lot of doors.

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So I walked away from the best CFL
contracts I had in my entire career.

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Um, I walked away from them
all and I retired and I.

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When I did my GMAT and I got ready
to go back to school and do my MBA.

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Travis Bader: What did people say?

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Did people look at you and they start
judging and say, what are you doing?

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Why are you leaving
these awesome contracts?

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You know, for a guy who went and

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did really well on his GMAT,
I got called stupid a lot.

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I'll tell you that.

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Um, yeah, a lot of people
were really questioning, you

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know, why I would walk away.

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I had worked.

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I was getting to the point
again where I'm having my best.

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Contracts put on the table in front of me.

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And as soon as I started to saying, I was
going to walk away from the sport coaches

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were putting way more money on the table
in front of me than they ever did before,

00:19:20.739 --> 00:19:23.209
because they're like, he's not begging us.

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We're begging him.

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Funny how that works.

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And still like it got really
tough towards the end.

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And I was just like, Nope, not happening.

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I'm at a life shift.

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I don't have a wife.

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I don't have a house.

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I don't have mortgage.

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I don't have any of these things.

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I don't have bills to pay.

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This is my time to make a career shift.

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And that's what I'm going to do.

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So I went back to school.

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I got my MBA and, uh,
started looking for what

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Travis Bader: was next in my life.

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So many people don't recognize
that so many people don't recognize

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that point in their life when
it's time to make that shift.

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And I think a lot of people look like
they'll look at it, like they're running

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away from something as opposed to the
running towards something more desirable.

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Um, and, and I think it's.

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Difficult when everybody around you is
probably saying like, Holy crow, like give

00:20:02.754 --> 00:20:04.135
your head a shake, like what's going on.

00:20:04.554 --> 00:20:07.314
Did you find that your circle
of friends started to change?

00:20:07.314 --> 00:20:09.695
Did you find that there is social changes?

00:20:09.935 --> 00:20:11.724
There was definitely social changes.

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Um, I definitely missed being around
such a motivated, driven group

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of individuals on a daily basis.

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Luckily for me, I had a very good core
group of individuals that were around me.

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So.

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You know, even though I wasn't on the team
anymore, we stayed in contact and kept

00:20:25.215 --> 00:20:28.375
each other motivated, but there was times
for myself where I was, like, I found it

00:20:28.375 --> 00:20:31.275
challenging going back to school, paying
your own way through your, your master's

00:20:31.275 --> 00:20:32.775
program on a short period of time.

00:20:32.805 --> 00:20:33.814
It's challenging.

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Um, I had also bought into a gym at the
time and I was restaffing our gym and

00:20:38.505 --> 00:20:42.255
doing a whole bunch of like financially,
I was watching my bank account and I

00:20:42.255 --> 00:20:43.765
was really questioning my decisions.

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Um, And yeah, there was a lot of moments
where I was sweating and I was like,

00:20:47.524 --> 00:20:49.225
did I really make the right decision?

00:20:49.254 --> 00:20:52.915
But I, I knew I was having a
lot of injuries and I wasn't

00:20:52.915 --> 00:20:53.835
passionate about it anymore.

00:20:53.885 --> 00:20:57.125
And I wanted to make sure I
stepped away from the sport on

00:20:57.125 --> 00:20:58.935
my terms and I did step away.

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Are there times where I look back
and maybe I could have squeezed

00:21:01.435 --> 00:21:03.605
out a few more years or who
knows what could have happened?

00:21:03.615 --> 00:21:04.254
That's fine.

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Yes, but I stepped away at a
time where I was happy and.

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Went through some rough years with ups
and downs and have to go back to school

00:21:11.315 --> 00:21:12.855
and not having that money coming in.

00:21:13.815 --> 00:21:18.505
But here I am today living, I'm
fortunate where I can truly say like

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I'm living a career that truly aligns
with my true passions, which is,

00:21:22.674 --> 00:21:24.384
it's, I feel very lucky to say that.

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Travis Bader: So now you take the leap
and you say, I want to be outdoors.

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I want to be in the outdoor sphere.

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How long did it take to, for you
to move from being a professional

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footballer to obviously went to school,
to finding yourself back into the

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outdoor sphere where your heart was?

00:21:42.250 --> 00:21:47.189
It, it was a little bit less of a direct
translation transition for me actually.

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So when I first retired from, uh,
football and I went back to school

00:21:50.840 --> 00:21:52.280
for my MBA, I bought into a gym.

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I co owned a gym.

00:21:53.920 --> 00:21:57.049
So I did the whole like specialist
trainer thing for a while, which worked

00:21:57.049 --> 00:22:00.610
out really well just to keep me busy
while I was going through my MBA and

00:22:00.620 --> 00:22:01.980
did cover some of the bills there.

00:22:02.580 --> 00:22:05.790
Then I contacted a
longtime partner of mine.

00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:08.870
Uh, an athletic supplement company
and I told him, I was like, listen,

00:22:08.929 --> 00:22:10.129
you guys aren't doing as well.

00:22:10.129 --> 00:22:11.550
You should be doing in Western Canada.

00:22:11.669 --> 00:22:13.159
I want to get back to Western Canada.

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You're going to hire me to
take over that region and I'm

00:22:15.540 --> 00:22:17.290
going to bump your numbers up.

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And they're like, yeah, you know what?

00:22:19.480 --> 00:22:20.770
That's exactly what's going to happen.

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So it, it worked out.

00:22:22.930 --> 00:22:26.769
I created a position for me with
this company and, um, they believed

00:22:26.770 --> 00:22:30.550
in me, I moved out back to BC
and it worked out really well.

00:22:30.560 --> 00:22:35.470
I think we more than doubled or tripled
their sales in the area quite well.

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And, and, um, it was a ton of
fun and I really appreciated

00:22:39.210 --> 00:22:40.420
the opportunity with them.

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But I will say that I just.

00:22:42.610 --> 00:22:44.520
I thought I was gonna be really
passionate about the industry

00:22:44.520 --> 00:22:46.729
because everything else in my life.

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So previous to football as well, I was, I
was on the national track and field team.

00:22:50.179 --> 00:22:50.709
I was a thrower.

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I did shot and hammer.

00:22:51.719 --> 00:22:52.099
Right.

00:22:52.169 --> 00:22:55.829
Um, so athletic supplements and that side
of things was always really big for me,

00:22:55.830 --> 00:22:58.850
but now it was less of a synergy for me.

00:22:58.850 --> 00:23:00.439
It wasn't something that
was so big in my life.

00:23:00.439 --> 00:23:01.830
So I just, I wasn't in it.

00:23:02.350 --> 00:23:05.510
And I just kept saying, I want to look
for something, a new opportunity, see

00:23:05.510 --> 00:23:07.270
what else, what other doors might open.

00:23:07.669 --> 00:23:13.639
So I saw a posting from wild TV and it
was just this opportunity, basically.

00:23:14.110 --> 00:23:20.519
To start working with the network and I
submitted my information and, um, yeah,

00:23:20.519 --> 00:23:22.350
it started to create some opportunities.

00:23:22.399 --> 00:23:26.290
It was a lot of complications,
definitely undervalued for

00:23:26.329 --> 00:23:27.579
what I brought to the table.

00:23:27.579 --> 00:23:27.849
Sure.

00:23:28.079 --> 00:23:30.890
And again, a big leap, but I had
done it all at a time in my life

00:23:30.900 --> 00:23:34.079
where it was okay and I didn't have
these big commitments financially.

00:23:34.079 --> 00:23:37.729
So I spoke with my then girlfriend,
now wife, uh, Kristen, and we were

00:23:37.729 --> 00:23:38.844
talking about it and she said, yep.

00:23:38.924 --> 00:23:41.444
Let's, you know, I'm okay to
be by your side through this.

00:23:41.444 --> 00:23:46.954
So I started bottom level with wild TV,
um, doing some hosting on the edge, which

00:23:46.954 --> 00:23:48.764
is part of it again, just testing, like.

00:23:49.475 --> 00:23:50.564
If you screw up, you're out.

00:23:51.165 --> 00:23:52.294
Like if people hate you, you're out.

00:23:52.395 --> 00:23:55.915
And that's a lot of pressure
joining a cast of individual

00:23:55.915 --> 00:23:58.685
like Steve Ackman, who's had some
amazing success in his career.

00:23:58.705 --> 00:23:59.044
Right.

00:23:59.254 --> 00:24:02.594
Um, and so that, and then
also the sales opportunity.

00:24:02.725 --> 00:24:05.544
So then I was selling marketing
and advertising on the network.

00:24:05.950 --> 00:24:10.400
Um, and then slowly over the years, I
just kept my head down and kept grinding.

00:24:10.400 --> 00:24:13.220
And now I'm the director of
business development with wild TV.

00:24:13.540 --> 00:24:16.840
I get to do a ton of great fun work
with wild TV, cowboy channel, Canada,

00:24:16.870 --> 00:24:20.220
RFD TV, uh, the production company
behind it all recoil creative group.

00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:23.769
And I'm filming my sixth
season with the show.

00:24:24.010 --> 00:24:26.100
Travis Bader: What was it like when he
first stepped in front of the camera?

00:24:26.150 --> 00:24:27.320
Did it come natural for you?

00:24:28.165 --> 00:24:29.495
The exact opposite.

00:24:29.554 --> 00:24:29.804
Yeah.

00:24:30.264 --> 00:24:30.884
Tell me about

00:24:30.884 --> 00:24:31.225
this one.

00:24:31.235 --> 00:24:33.925
I, I am a, I think we
talked about it earlier.

00:24:33.925 --> 00:24:36.794
When you're a big guy, you always
stick out and you're very self

00:24:36.794 --> 00:24:39.495
conscious because you don't like
being the center of attention.

00:24:39.935 --> 00:24:44.024
And I'm the exact, like in school, I
couldn't speak in front of two people.

00:24:44.565 --> 00:24:46.775
Like I could not speak in
front of two individuals.

00:24:46.815 --> 00:24:48.325
And that's something I
realized I was bad at.

00:24:48.325 --> 00:24:52.304
So throughout my athletic career, I
did a lot of, um, talks at schools,

00:24:52.334 --> 00:24:54.655
right to, you know, elementary schools.

00:24:54.655 --> 00:24:56.395
And I started getting involved
in groups where we go around and

00:24:56.395 --> 00:24:57.635
do motivational talks and things.

00:24:57.635 --> 00:24:59.355
So I saw it as a weakness
and I developed it.

00:24:59.854 --> 00:25:02.884
Um, but still that all aside.

00:25:03.300 --> 00:25:06.420
When someone points a camera at you
and says, act natural, you completely

00:25:06.580 --> 00:25:08.040
forget like, what is natural again?

00:25:08.040 --> 00:25:09.300
Like, what do I do with

00:25:09.300 --> 00:25:09.860
Travis Bader: my hands?

00:25:09.870 --> 00:25:10.010
Yeah.

00:25:10.010 --> 00:25:10.300
We're going to

00:25:10.300 --> 00:25:10.939
film your boots.

00:25:10.949 --> 00:25:11.740
Walk normally.

00:25:12.100 --> 00:25:13.340
You're like, start side skipping.

00:25:13.340 --> 00:25:14.879
You're like, I don't know,
I don't know what I'm doing.

00:25:14.929 --> 00:25:19.090
You trip over yourself because it's
so awkward and so weird to just

00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:23.750
forcefully tell yourself, okay,
be natural, say natural things.

00:25:24.100 --> 00:25:25.270
So you're in the moment.

00:25:25.270 --> 00:25:29.275
You're like, I have pressure to act
smart, to sound cool, to talk about

00:25:29.275 --> 00:25:32.420
things that I don't necessarily
know about because I feel like

00:25:32.420 --> 00:25:34.425
I'm supposed Really knowledgeable.

00:25:35.035 --> 00:25:36.925
And, uh, one of the best things
I've learned through my career

00:25:36.925 --> 00:25:38.615
is it's okay to be wrong.

00:25:38.685 --> 00:25:39.705
Not know what you're talking about.

00:25:40.425 --> 00:25:41.825
Fess up when you screw up.

00:25:42.615 --> 00:25:43.195
Fail, right?

00:25:43.455 --> 00:25:46.264
Because I've, Lord knows I've
failed a lot on camera and made

00:25:46.264 --> 00:25:47.535
a lot of boneheaded mistakes.

00:25:47.884 --> 00:25:50.694
But now I'm at the point where, I
think fortunately for me, I'm at

00:25:50.694 --> 00:25:54.144
the point in my career where I've
screwed up so many times and so bad.

00:25:54.145 --> 00:25:57.665
I look back, I'm like, well, even
if today goes completely terrible,

00:25:57.705 --> 00:25:59.215
it'll never be as bad as that day.

00:26:00.324 --> 00:26:01.475
And it makes it way easier.

00:26:01.475 --> 00:26:03.425
So it gets easier as you screw up more.

00:26:04.045 --> 00:26:06.095
Travis Bader: Do you get
ripped on, on social media

00:26:06.095 --> 00:26:07.065
when you make these screw ups?

00:26:07.065 --> 00:26:07.785
Do you see it?

00:26:07.785 --> 00:26:08.235
Do, do people?

00:26:08.255 --> 00:26:08.795
Oh Lord.

00:26:08.795 --> 00:26:09.095
Yeah.

00:26:09.095 --> 00:26:09.765
I mean, you

00:26:09.765 --> 00:26:13.915
definitely, um, you know, as, as soon
as you get in a position where more

00:26:13.915 --> 00:26:17.675
people are seeing you and watching
you, uh, yeah, people rip on me.

00:26:17.675 --> 00:26:19.635
The funny thing is most of the
time when people are ripping on

00:26:19.735 --> 00:26:21.864
me, it's for mistakes that I've
already ripped on myself for.

00:26:21.864 --> 00:26:23.375
I've always been the toughest critic.

00:26:23.445 --> 00:26:23.805
Yeah.

00:26:23.835 --> 00:26:27.445
Um, so yeah, people like you, you go on
a hunt, you make a boneheaded mistake.

00:26:28.774 --> 00:26:31.754
I can hide that and make it look like
I'm a superhero on camera and I never

00:26:31.754 --> 00:26:32.975
make a mistake, but that's not real.

00:26:32.975 --> 00:26:33.814
That's not authentic.

00:26:33.814 --> 00:26:35.184
So yeah, roll it, put it in the camera.

00:26:35.184 --> 00:26:38.705
And sometimes it's because I'm
worrying about what do I need

00:26:38.705 --> 00:26:39.855
to say to the camera next?

00:26:40.395 --> 00:26:41.505
Are we getting the right angle?

00:26:41.505 --> 00:26:42.205
What's happening?

00:26:42.205 --> 00:26:43.275
Are we positioning ourselves?

00:26:43.275 --> 00:26:43.525
Right.

00:26:43.605 --> 00:26:46.004
Whereas I can't be fully
invested at times in the hunt.

00:26:46.035 --> 00:26:48.895
So you start thinking about too
many things and you make mistakes.

00:26:48.945 --> 00:26:49.525
It happens.

00:26:49.845 --> 00:26:51.175
Um, but yeah, you.

00:26:52.130 --> 00:26:55.990
It's not all, it's not all roses
and rainbows when it comes to DMS

00:26:55.990 --> 00:26:58.880
and messages, you see the odd meme

00:26:58.890 --> 00:26:59.410
Travis Bader: rolling around.

00:26:59.420 --> 00:27:01.680
That's just part of the
package, part of the package.

00:27:01.729 --> 00:27:04.810
You know, I, I'm of the mindset of
you don't have people ripping on you.

00:27:04.820 --> 00:27:06.889
If you don't have people
pointing out your flaws, you're

00:27:06.889 --> 00:27:08.649
probably not trying hard enough.

00:27:08.900 --> 00:27:10.159
You could be doing more.

00:27:10.510 --> 00:27:11.300
Exactly.

00:27:11.389 --> 00:27:12.509
The more people are.

00:27:12.835 --> 00:27:15.825
Yeah, bashing on you, that means more
people are knowing about you, right?

00:27:15.835 --> 00:27:19.504
Nobody, what was it, there was an old
saying where, yeah, nobody talks about

00:27:19.524 --> 00:27:20.985
being significant or something, right?

00:27:20.985 --> 00:27:24.743
So like, it's almost like you feel
excited when people start bashing you

00:27:24.743 --> 00:27:28.304
in a weird way, but I mean, heck, I used
to, my favourite thing when I was playing

00:27:28.304 --> 00:27:31.924
football was playing away games, and when
we had the most haters in the stands,

00:27:31.924 --> 00:27:34.804
because the best way to shut them up.

00:27:35.125 --> 00:27:37.745
What's to be sitting there at
halftime and just point at the score.

00:27:39.565 --> 00:27:41.195
Well, what were you guys saying earlier?

00:27:42.115 --> 00:27:45.234
So I loved going into a noisy
stadium where people were cussing

00:27:45.235 --> 00:27:48.525
at you, shouting at you, and then
walking off at the end of the game.

00:27:48.565 --> 00:27:50.035
And it's just dead quiet.

00:27:50.575 --> 00:27:51.264
I love haters.

00:27:51.304 --> 00:27:51.894
I love it.

00:27:51.894 --> 00:27:53.024
So that doesn't phase me at all.

00:27:53.135 --> 00:27:53.765
It fuels you.

00:27:53.865 --> 00:27:54.455
Exactly.

00:27:54.455 --> 00:27:56.295
It makes me like, yeah, you
know, and sometimes you do

00:27:56.295 --> 00:27:57.525
get great advice from haters.

00:27:57.895 --> 00:27:59.745
Like some of these people call you
out and you're like, you know what?

00:27:59.765 --> 00:28:00.275
You're right.

00:28:00.345 --> 00:28:01.725
You said that in a malicious way.

00:28:01.725 --> 00:28:03.164
You wanted to hurt me, but I'm like, Yeah.

00:28:03.445 --> 00:28:06.889
That's actually like some of the
best coaching I could have got,

00:28:06.889 --> 00:28:08.184
Travis Bader: right.

00:28:08.185 --> 00:28:08.965
Oh, I like that.

00:28:09.774 --> 00:28:15.834
I got to imagine, so you take something
you love, you make it a business, the

00:28:15.834 --> 00:28:20.405
business of what you love can start
to leach some of that enjoyment away.

00:28:20.435 --> 00:28:23.474
And if you've got a camera in front
of you and you've got a film crew,

00:28:23.474 --> 00:28:26.434
or if you've got to film yourself,
can take you out of the moment.

00:28:26.674 --> 00:28:30.494
Do you ever find yourself on hunts
when you're like, man, I sure wish I

00:28:30.494 --> 00:28:32.115
didn't have a camera crew here with me.

00:28:32.595 --> 00:28:33.105
Yes,

00:28:33.575 --> 00:28:39.255
I should probably feel guilty for saying
that, but, um, I love Solo hunting.

00:28:39.295 --> 00:28:42.315
One of the biggest things I love about
the outdoors is just your, I call

00:28:42.315 --> 00:28:43.915
it like connecting by disconnecting.

00:28:43.915 --> 00:28:46.525
So like when you get in tune with
nature, when you sit out there and

00:28:46.525 --> 00:28:49.095
you're sitting next to a tree as the
sun rises and nothing knows you're

00:28:49.095 --> 00:28:51.394
there and you watch the birds and
the squirrels and all that start to

00:28:51.394 --> 00:28:53.424
wake up, you feel this connection.

00:28:53.574 --> 00:28:56.404
When a camera's there, it's very
difficult to get that because

00:28:56.415 --> 00:28:58.875
you're trying to think of so many
different things at the same time.

00:28:58.965 --> 00:28:59.515
Hmm.

00:28:59.840 --> 00:29:01.220
I'm getting better at it.

00:29:01.750 --> 00:29:05.450
The longer I've been doing this where
I can, it's becoming more natural.

00:29:05.850 --> 00:29:09.449
Um, but it definitely does take
away from the hunt at times.

00:29:09.590 --> 00:29:11.299
Um, I still hunt.

00:29:11.350 --> 00:29:14.809
So we film, I'll film, you
know, six, seven hunts a year.

00:29:15.769 --> 00:29:17.909
I come home and there's times
where I come home for a hunt.

00:29:17.909 --> 00:29:20.689
And my, my wife definitely
understands that I need that time.

00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:24.410
In the bush because that's, I, I go
back, I get grounded and I come home

00:29:24.410 --> 00:29:28.020
and I'm a better person and I'll
come home from a hunt sometimes and

00:29:28.020 --> 00:29:31.010
things might not have gone the right
way or, you know, it's challenging

00:29:31.010 --> 00:29:32.439
or, you know, Whatever it might be.

00:29:32.439 --> 00:29:35.060
And my wife looks at me and she's
like, you need to go on out.

00:29:35.200 --> 00:29:39.480
Like you need to go into the mountains
for a few days, go on the wine,

00:29:39.510 --> 00:29:40.989
decompress, and then come home.

00:29:41.150 --> 00:29:42.500
Cause then you're going
to be the Joe we need.

00:29:42.820 --> 00:29:45.219
And, and it works well,
but she recognizes it.

00:29:45.219 --> 00:29:49.510
And I certainly recognize it because
although I'm hunting and we are, don't

00:29:49.510 --> 00:29:54.870
get me wrong, I I'm extremely fortunate
and lucky to be doing what I do, but.

00:29:55.815 --> 00:29:58.995
It's not the same hunt experience
as it would be if I didn't have the

00:29:58.995 --> 00:30:00.465
camera and we, if we weren't filming.

00:30:00.825 --> 00:30:01.815
Travis Bader: I can appreciate that.

00:30:01.845 --> 00:30:04.275
And you know, this is the second
time that you've brought up just

00:30:04.275 --> 00:30:07.395
in this podcast about your wife and
the support that she's provided.

00:30:07.395 --> 00:30:07.455
Yeah.

00:30:08.185 --> 00:30:12.595
Um, where do you think you'd be if she
just said, no, I, I don't think this

00:30:12.595 --> 00:30:13.915
is a direction we should be going.

00:30:13.915 --> 00:30:15.445
You don't have my support on this one.

00:30:16.740 --> 00:30:18.470
Fortunately, she's never
put me in that situation.

00:30:19.410 --> 00:30:22.290
That's a very challenging
question because, um, like

00:30:22.290 --> 00:30:23.830
I absolutely love my wife.

00:30:23.860 --> 00:30:25.750
She's been an amazing support for me.

00:30:25.750 --> 00:30:31.080
And I think a big part of what works
so well in our relationship and why

00:30:31.600 --> 00:30:34.650
we work so well together is because
we support each other so well.

00:30:35.210 --> 00:30:38.190
So if she was a type of person
that wasn't supporting me in my

00:30:38.190 --> 00:30:39.560
passion, she wouldn't be my wife.

00:30:39.690 --> 00:30:40.280
A hundred percent.

00:30:40.290 --> 00:30:45.130
So that's a very, Work around
way back at your question, but

00:30:45.130 --> 00:30:46.290
that's the truth about it, right?

00:30:46.330 --> 00:30:49.910
Is if she was telling me we can't
do this, it's not about living the

00:30:49.910 --> 00:30:51.520
lifestyle that makes us both happy here.

00:30:52.430 --> 00:30:53.870
She wouldn't be the woman I married.

00:30:54.350 --> 00:30:57.690
So, um, you know, we both
agreed to a lifestyle.

00:30:57.860 --> 00:31:00.724
It's challenging at times, but
she's fully supportive of what I do.

00:31:01.205 --> 00:31:05.195
She gets it, um, and yeah,
it's, it's challenging.

00:31:05.195 --> 00:31:07.355
And I, I wouldn't necessarily
be here doing what I'm doing

00:31:07.355 --> 00:31:10.015
without her, but I don't think
she'd ever asked me to step away.

00:31:10.425 --> 00:31:12.345
Travis Bader: So a few things that
we're talking about on the boat and

00:31:12.345 --> 00:31:15.585
I'm like, okay, maybe we should stop
and we can pick it up again here when

00:31:15.585 --> 00:31:18.465
we're talking, some of your sponsors,
some of the people that you work with,

00:31:18.705 --> 00:31:21.495
I'm genuinely curious about on X Hunt.

00:31:21.815 --> 00:31:26.475
I tried it a few years ago in, uh, in
Canada, and I think they were kind of in

00:31:26.475 --> 00:31:29.325
their infancy in the, in the Canada side.

00:31:29.665 --> 00:31:34.605
Um, Can you tell me about Onyx
Hunt, how you use it, what's good.

00:31:34.605 --> 00:31:36.835
What, what are your favorite
pieces of that, that puzzle?

00:31:36.935 --> 00:31:41.055
Yeah, I will say Onyx, um, so Dylan,
when, like when they shifted and came

00:31:41.055 --> 00:31:44.335
up into Canada, they did a bit of a
test where they were in Alberta and

00:31:44.335 --> 00:31:48.225
then they were expanding a little bit
and I think they tried to push in, they

00:31:48.225 --> 00:31:50.585
might shoot me for saying this, but I
think they tried to push in a little

00:31:50.585 --> 00:31:55.805
too early where they didn't realize some
of the technology and the uses that we

00:31:55.805 --> 00:31:58.845
use up here in Canada is very different
than what they use in the U S right.

00:31:58.965 --> 00:32:00.495
So we need certain things.

00:32:00.855 --> 00:32:03.925
Different for our style of hunting
and our regulations than they had.

00:32:04.255 --> 00:32:05.565
So it was a learning experience.

00:32:05.655 --> 00:32:05.915
Right.

00:32:05.955 --> 00:32:09.745
And, um, I think the early
platforms were not successful.

00:32:10.295 --> 00:32:13.285
And then one of the biggest things, so
yes, we, we are partnered with Onyx, but

00:32:13.285 --> 00:32:16.075
one of the things I really liked about
them is we started talking early on

00:32:16.125 --> 00:32:20.245
about what they wanted to improve on it
and they came to us and said, what are

00:32:20.245 --> 00:32:24.585
the things that we need to do to tailor
our services to the Canadian space?

00:32:24.825 --> 00:32:26.955
So I really appreciated that about
them and they're working on it.

00:32:27.025 --> 00:32:28.235
Are all the changes overnight?

00:32:28.235 --> 00:32:30.025
No, but there's constant
development on it.

00:32:30.025 --> 00:32:33.215
Um, but I have found a lot
of advantages with regards to

00:32:33.215 --> 00:32:35.065
their e scouting opportunities.

00:32:35.415 --> 00:32:39.395
Being able to find different areas, set
parameters where you can see certain

00:32:39.485 --> 00:32:43.255
hillside gradients, slopes, different
altitude ranges, things like that

00:32:43.265 --> 00:32:48.075
you can see over the years I've been
successful in these types of areas.

00:32:48.135 --> 00:32:48.425
And then.

00:32:48.805 --> 00:32:52.185
Set those parameters and it'll highlight
areas on the map across the province

00:32:52.285 --> 00:32:53.405
that might be similar for that.

00:32:53.405 --> 00:32:55.095
So like something like
that is really good.

00:32:55.095 --> 00:32:58.195
So you can go, okay, drop my pin
every year, and then you can slide

00:32:58.195 --> 00:33:01.645
up and down like hillside gradients
or sun exposure, degrees of

00:33:01.645 --> 00:33:03.315
exposure, different things like that.

00:33:03.825 --> 00:33:07.375
And it'll highlight and you go, okay,
this green patch right here, that's

00:33:07.375 --> 00:33:10.305
highlighted here is where I've had a lot
of my success for mule deer or black tail.

00:33:10.795 --> 00:33:13.545
And then you can zoom out and
you can see other areas that

00:33:13.545 --> 00:33:14.775
are highlighted that same.

00:33:14.875 --> 00:33:15.755
Oh, that's cool.

00:33:15.965 --> 00:33:18.485
Um, so that, or there's some
features where you can go on.

00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:21.720
From here, I can pull it up on my
e scouting on my phone or on my

00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:26.320
computer and click on a hillside and
then click a button and it'll show

00:33:26.320 --> 00:33:29.630
me based on that elevation, which
other spaces in that area I should

00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:31.060
be able to glass from that hillside.

00:33:31.080 --> 00:33:33.640
So we've all done it where you're in
the mountains and you go from down

00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:35.610
here, it looks like if I hike to that
ridge, I can get there and I'm going

00:33:35.610 --> 00:33:36.870
to be able to glass this certain area.

00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:38.754
You've got a bowl you want to see.

00:33:39.295 --> 00:33:42.035
This app will actually, like their
platform will give you the opportunity

00:33:42.035 --> 00:33:44.755
to see, will you be able to see
into that area from this ridge?

00:33:44.835 --> 00:33:45.425
Oh, that is cool.

00:33:45.425 --> 00:33:47.165
So e scouting has got some
really cool features and those

00:33:47.165 --> 00:33:49.065
are just small, small details.

00:33:49.115 --> 00:33:53.235
Another thing that I've really found
beneficial that's very easy to get

00:33:53.235 --> 00:33:55.595
into is how accurate their tracking is.

00:33:56.475 --> 00:34:00.655
So they take a lot of pride in making
sure that real time tracking is very true.

00:34:00.655 --> 00:34:04.515
So I've used it, um, bluffed out in
the dark, coming out of hunts, fogged

00:34:04.515 --> 00:34:07.425
out, going through swamps and you go
through, and you know, if you go a

00:34:07.425 --> 00:34:11.605
few yards, either side of your path,
you're going to be way steep in water,

00:34:11.635 --> 00:34:12.745
or you're gonna be falling off a cliff.

00:34:13.035 --> 00:34:13.485
Right.

00:34:13.545 --> 00:34:15.980
And, uh, I've been in situations
where I can't see anymore.

00:34:15.980 --> 00:34:17.990
It's gotten foggy, whatever
it might be, or dark.

00:34:18.060 --> 00:34:20.990
And I follow that blue line and
I'm walking past the same rocks.

00:34:20.990 --> 00:34:21.980
I walked past on the way in.

00:34:22.020 --> 00:34:24.520
Whereas on some of the other apps, cause
I've run a lot of apps over the years.

00:34:24.550 --> 00:34:24.810
Sure.

00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:26.730
Other apps, you're like,
okay, I'm on the same Ridge.

00:34:27.030 --> 00:34:30.260
I'm in the same ballpark, but I
may be 20, 25 yards off my path.

00:34:30.900 --> 00:34:33.850
There are times where the
difference in 25 yards means did

00:34:33.850 --> 00:34:35.030
you get bluffed out coming out?

00:34:35.030 --> 00:34:36.570
And you got to spend an hour backtracking.

00:34:36.580 --> 00:34:38.200
Like there's some
sketchy stuff picking up.

00:34:38.210 --> 00:34:43.470
So that, and then also I was telling
you, um, for rifle hunting or for archery

00:34:43.470 --> 00:34:47.745
hunting, When I shoot in a direction,
you've quite often range that animal and

00:34:47.745 --> 00:34:49.315
you have some landmarks in that direction.

00:34:49.345 --> 00:34:55.495
So I'll pull up my phone after my shot
and I'll range that spot and then I'll

00:34:55.495 --> 00:35:00.295
drop a pin at that exact range with
those landmarks from where I am and more

00:35:00.295 --> 00:35:05.200
often than not, when I go to that pin,
Within five or 10 yards again, cause I'm

00:35:05.200 --> 00:35:08.170
not the exact spot, but within five or
10 yards of that pin I've dropped, I've

00:35:08.170 --> 00:35:12.340
found, you know, where the animal at
point of impact has dug deep and their

00:35:12.370 --> 00:35:13.500
footprints are deeper in the ground.

00:35:13.500 --> 00:35:17.260
So I've been able to track animals
or start finding blood or, or do

00:35:17.290 --> 00:35:19.020
things like that or mark my arrow.

00:35:19.180 --> 00:35:19.950
That is so useful.

00:35:19.950 --> 00:35:21.910
Cause we've all done it where
you look at a hillside and you're

00:35:21.910 --> 00:35:23.430
like, okay, it's by that red tree.

00:35:23.660 --> 00:35:24.640
I just got to find that right tree.

00:35:24.650 --> 00:35:26.560
You get over there, you
cannot find that red tree.

00:35:26.580 --> 00:35:27.470
Not for the life of you.

00:35:27.550 --> 00:35:27.730
Bye.

00:35:27.850 --> 00:35:28.190
Bye.

00:35:28.595 --> 00:35:31.165
You drop a pin and now you go and
you look at your phone, you're like,

00:35:31.285 --> 00:35:34.345
if you can trust that spot and go,
okay, if I go right to that pin and.

00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:35.330
Holy cow.

00:35:35.330 --> 00:35:37.000
I'm standing by the
trunk of that red tree.

00:35:37.650 --> 00:35:39.170
That's huge in my opinion.

00:35:39.310 --> 00:35:42.180
Travis Bader: So I heard, and
I, I don't know if it's a newer

00:35:42.180 --> 00:35:44.220
technology or how it communicates.

00:35:44.240 --> 00:35:49.200
Uh, I heard it specifically with a pair
of SIG binos with a laser range finder.

00:35:49.200 --> 00:35:50.090
I don't think it was a kilo.

00:35:50.090 --> 00:35:54.120
I think it's a different one, but
it'll talk directly with on X and

00:35:54.120 --> 00:35:56.960
it will, if you range rate to it
and it'll tell you don't even have

00:35:56.960 --> 00:35:58.260
to drop a pin, it'll do it for you.

00:35:58.560 --> 00:36:00.860
Sorry, Vortex, but it's, it's a Leopold.

00:36:02.020 --> 00:36:03.680
Yeah, my buddy, actually, funny story.

00:36:03.690 --> 00:36:07.080
My backup quarterback at Washington
state is high up with them.

00:36:07.420 --> 00:36:09.639
So he's, he's pretty high up with them.

00:36:09.640 --> 00:36:12.620
He was in sales and now I think he
might be in the product development

00:36:12.620 --> 00:36:16.240
side, but, uh, a great guy, but he was
actually telling me about that feature.

00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:17.340
Interesting.

00:36:17.350 --> 00:36:17.570
Yeah.

00:36:17.720 --> 00:36:18.220
Travis Bader: Okay.

00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:21.370
So I am, I am a vortex guy,
but, uh, so don't shoot me.

00:36:23.650 --> 00:36:26.265
Travis Bader: Um, And then of
course your hat there, you're

00:36:26.265 --> 00:36:27.385
wearing, how do you pronounce that?

00:36:27.385 --> 00:36:28.475
Kee fuh roo?

00:36:28.595 --> 00:36:29.675
fah roo.

00:36:30.265 --> 00:36:30.395
Maybe.

00:36:30.425 --> 00:36:31.195
That's how I say it.

00:36:31.195 --> 00:36:32.255
Nobody's told me to shut up.

00:36:34.455 --> 00:36:35.715
I, I've looked at their packs.

00:36:35.795 --> 00:36:36.775
I've been looking at it for a while.

00:36:36.775 --> 00:36:38.045
It's going to be the next pack I get.

00:36:38.485 --> 00:36:40.585
Um, what would you suggest?

00:36:40.585 --> 00:36:44.835
You're a similar, similar
size to what I'm, I am.

00:36:44.845 --> 00:36:46.065
What would you suggest for me?

00:36:46.165 --> 00:36:48.365
Um, I've had a lot of success
with Kee fah roo packs.

00:36:48.365 --> 00:36:51.435
So I used, I've ran a lot of packs
over the years and I had issues with

00:36:51.525 --> 00:36:56.870
hot spots and Issues, getting a heavy
load coming out of the mountain secure.

00:36:57.460 --> 00:37:00.020
Um, you know, there's always that
little bit of give in a bag and a

00:37:00.020 --> 00:37:03.260
wobble, which makes you so like, if
you're coming down a steep ridge,

00:37:03.700 --> 00:37:06.910
any little shifting in that weight
on your back is what's going to lose.

00:37:06.920 --> 00:37:07.840
You're going to lose your balance.

00:37:08.130 --> 00:37:10.100
Throw an ankle, blow a knee,
something bad's going to happen.

00:37:10.500 --> 00:37:14.760
So yes, the faroo bags have been
known to be maybe a pound, pound

00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:16.040
and a half heavier when empty.

00:37:16.405 --> 00:37:21.145
But my ability to make 150 pounds on
my back or 175 pounds on my back feel

00:37:21.145 --> 00:37:23.455
like a hundred pounds or, or 75 pounds.

00:37:23.815 --> 00:37:23.845
Mm.

00:37:24.255 --> 00:37:27.435
Because it's secure and pulled
tight to your body is where

00:37:27.435 --> 00:37:28.785
those backpacks will shine.

00:37:29.295 --> 00:37:29.325
Mm.

00:37:29.325 --> 00:37:31.335
Whereas those lighter backpacks
are really good, you're gonna

00:37:31.335 --> 00:37:33.855
have an, you know, a pound and a
half less when you're going up.

00:37:33.915 --> 00:37:34.755
But when you come down.

00:37:35.220 --> 00:37:39.480
125 pounds can feel like 200 pounds
because it's like a barrel of water

00:37:39.570 --> 00:37:42.000
right on your back that's slopping
and shifting as you're coming down.

00:37:42.390 --> 00:37:44.580
So that's personally for
me, for my style of hunt.

00:37:44.610 --> 00:37:47.150
That's why I prefer far stuff.

00:37:47.150 --> 00:37:48.470
And it's built bomber proof.

00:37:48.470 --> 00:37:53.350
Like if you see some of the stuff, I've
put those bags through . I'm a meathead

00:37:53.350 --> 00:37:57.730
and I like to push myself and, and
I've loaded my backpack like stupid,

00:37:57.730 --> 00:38:01.815
stupid halls and have not been able to
have any of those bags fail on me yet.

00:38:02.470 --> 00:38:07.199
But, um, my old favorite for my day hunts
and my day packs was the hellbender.

00:38:07.200 --> 00:38:08.630
That easily accessible meat shelf.

00:38:08.670 --> 00:38:13.440
Like I had, I was telling you, I
had a full rack of elk ribs, a bag

00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:17.350
that had backstraps, tenderloins,
and some neck meat, and then a full

00:38:17.540 --> 00:38:19.240
Quarter all strapped in there at once.

00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:22.390
Plus my hunting gear, plus my gun,
plus my spotter and my tripod.

00:38:22.630 --> 00:38:23.940
And I held that out with the hellbender.

00:38:24.020 --> 00:38:27.480
I've taken full DRO, strapped like
cross body in there, my wife's

00:38:27.520 --> 00:38:30.190
bear, a full bear in that backpack.

00:38:30.670 --> 00:38:35.620
This year I've tested out, um, the manimal
and then the new Absorica is going to

00:38:35.620 --> 00:38:39.060
really get the Absorica has got some
new type of pocket options for them.

00:38:39.340 --> 00:38:41.360
And it's really versatile from
a day hunt all the way up.

00:38:41.360 --> 00:38:44.000
It's what I'm going to use on my
stone sheep hunt this year, or on my,

00:38:44.040 --> 00:38:45.780
I should say, goat and caribou hunt.

00:38:46.530 --> 00:38:49.840
I'll be in stone sheep country, but I'm
really not planning on shooting a stone.

00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:53.740
So we'll see what happens, but it's
good for, it's good for short term

00:38:53.740 --> 00:38:54.960
hunts and really good for long term.

00:38:54.960 --> 00:38:56.440
And so that's one of the promising ones.

00:38:56.440 --> 00:39:01.440
But, um, Yeah, without going too deep
into it, their backpacks, basically, you

00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:04.800
can find something that works for any
style, but if you're someone that does

00:39:04.810 --> 00:39:09.780
plan on having some big, heavy packouts,
that's where their backpacks really,

00:39:09.790 --> 00:39:13.290
truly shine is they can do the work.

00:39:13.450 --> 00:39:14.820
They're bomber, they're bomber.

00:39:14.870 --> 00:39:17.030
They can haul they're made to work.

00:39:17.500 --> 00:39:21.075
Um, You know, like I said, you might
sacrifice that extra pound, pound

00:39:21.075 --> 00:39:24.345
and a half going up, but coming down,
you're going to have that security.

00:39:24.345 --> 00:39:27.625
Like you're almost going to, you're
not going to forget you have 150 pounds

00:39:27.625 --> 00:39:30.975
on your back, but you're not going to
have that where it feels completely

00:39:30.975 --> 00:39:33.115
separate from your body, it feels secure.

00:39:33.665 --> 00:39:35.175
If it moves, it's cause
you're already moving.

00:39:35.185 --> 00:39:37.505
You're not going to have that
where you start leaning out from

00:39:37.505 --> 00:39:39.215
a hillside and then your backpack.

00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:43.610
Slips a bit, because sometimes that
little nudge is just enough momentum.

00:39:43.610 --> 00:39:44.930
And that's why you go down the hillside.

00:39:44.970 --> 00:39:46.250
Travis Bader: Oh, I've
been injured that way.

00:39:46.260 --> 00:39:46.460
Yeah.

00:39:46.970 --> 00:39:50.640
Um, so people will look
at your social media feed.

00:39:50.640 --> 00:39:54.740
They'll look at the, the show, the edge,
and they'll see the highlight reels.

00:39:55.710 --> 00:39:58.600
What are some of the challenges
that they're not seeing and

00:39:58.600 --> 00:39:59.610
how do you deal with them?

00:40:00.410 --> 00:40:01.830
The challenges in everything,

00:40:03.490 --> 00:40:09.320
everything, um, I mean, from sneaking
around the bush with a camera guy, an

00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:13.770
extra person or two in the field with
you at all times, it's a huge challenge.

00:40:14.090 --> 00:40:16.830
Um, just the logistics of
that logistics of travel.

00:40:16.860 --> 00:40:22.545
Another thing that I definitely
underestimated Was I had success hunting

00:40:22.585 --> 00:40:26.435
previous to being with the show, but, and
I'd go on these hunts and go, Oh my God,

00:40:26.455 --> 00:40:28.215
that would have made such an amazing show.

00:40:28.265 --> 00:40:29.205
I should have filmed that.

00:40:29.205 --> 00:40:30.145
It would have been so cool.

00:40:30.695 --> 00:40:33.955
But you forget all of the hunts that
you go on that aren't successful, right?

00:40:34.325 --> 00:40:37.475
You're planning out as I, you're
expected to film six or seven

00:40:37.475 --> 00:40:38.695
successful hunts in a season.

00:40:39.115 --> 00:40:40.025
That's a big season.

00:40:40.455 --> 00:40:43.195
Now, not only are you supposed to
have six or seven successful hunts,

00:40:43.675 --> 00:40:47.135
You're expected to harvest animals
that are quote unquote, show quality

00:40:47.135 --> 00:40:49.075
or industry standard animals, right?

00:40:49.505 --> 00:40:52.855
So you're supposed to six or seven
hunts that are above the average

00:40:53.725 --> 00:40:55.775
and that are impressive hunts.

00:40:56.035 --> 00:40:58.815
I don't have the financial means
or the show budget to be able

00:40:58.815 --> 00:41:00.155
to do a lot of guided hunts.

00:41:00.185 --> 00:41:00.855
Now, don't get me wrong.

00:41:00.865 --> 00:41:05.945
We do some guided hunts, but a lot of them
are self guided over the counter competing

00:41:05.945 --> 00:41:07.215
against everybody else on the Hill.

00:41:07.325 --> 00:41:12.230
And you somehow have to let other, like,
Let a lot of stuff walk, have these

00:41:12.230 --> 00:41:15.030
higher standards and have the success
in a short period of time, because

00:41:15.030 --> 00:41:19.330
camera guys aren't cheap and all of this
stuff, like there's a lot of investment

00:41:19.330 --> 00:41:22.760
that goes into the show production and
you have all these people that expect

00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:25.430
you to exceed expectations, right?

00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:30.380
So there's a lot of pressure aside
from not sounding like a complete

00:41:30.380 --> 00:41:32.020
idiot, which I'm really good at.

00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:35.190
Thank God we cut like 90
percent of what I say on camera.

00:41:35.570 --> 00:41:40.010
Um, but not sounding like an idiot,
um, not making too many boneheaded

00:41:40.040 --> 00:41:43.480
mistakes, checking all the boxes,
having that successful hunt.

00:41:43.530 --> 00:41:47.520
And then for some reason, people
love to watch successful people fail.

00:41:48.150 --> 00:41:51.684
So for some reason, right,
everybody wants to like.

00:41:51.785 --> 00:41:54.925
You want to be the person that's
bad mouthed at the waterhole.

00:41:55.045 --> 00:41:55.815
Like, right.

00:41:55.815 --> 00:42:00.035
Cause that means you're successful,
but everybody's looking there and

00:42:00.035 --> 00:42:03.365
they're like, man, what can I pick
apart about what this person does?

00:42:03.365 --> 00:42:04.635
How can I knock them down a peg?

00:42:04.635 --> 00:42:09.045
How can we, so you get a lot of haters,
you get a lot of backlash, but there's

00:42:09.055 --> 00:42:11.215
a lot of benefits that come from it too.

00:42:12.025 --> 00:42:17.915
Travis Bader: You know, I, A fellow,
I know he's a head of training for

00:42:17.915 --> 00:42:22.245
hunter education and firearms training
in the Bavarian region of Germany.

00:42:22.395 --> 00:42:28.495
And he talks about, he was telling me
a different, uh, styles of hunts and

00:42:28.495 --> 00:42:31.535
what, what they consider acceptable
and their different levels of training.

00:42:31.535 --> 00:42:34.085
And, but one of the things
that really struck me was.

00:42:34.520 --> 00:42:38.150
In North America, the hunter will go
out and they'll show them on the show.

00:42:38.150 --> 00:42:41.520
And if they're successful, they're the
hero and they got all the hero shots.

00:42:41.520 --> 00:42:46.080
And, but over there, he says,
when the hunter is successful,

00:42:46.090 --> 00:42:49.760
it's now a very expensive endeavor
because drinks are on him.

00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:51.690
He's got to be helping everybody else out.

00:42:52.080 --> 00:42:56.550
The cook, the people who, uh, help
set up the camp, the, uh, the guides,

00:42:56.770 --> 00:42:59.830
if they have guides or everybody else
around them, and it's not the hunter

00:42:59.830 --> 00:43:01.414
that's celebrated, but rather the hunter.

00:43:01.585 --> 00:43:05.245
The support crew all around the hunter,
which I thought was a really interesting

00:43:05.245 --> 00:43:09.365
way to, to look at it because the hunter
would not have been as successful without

00:43:09.365 --> 00:43:10.765
all of that help that got them there.

00:43:11.075 --> 00:43:11.335
No, a

00:43:11.335 --> 00:43:11.945
Travis Bader: hundred percent.

00:43:11.945 --> 00:43:12.005
I

00:43:12.015 --> 00:43:16.085
think there's a big part of, um, you
know, like I mentioned, I do some hunts

00:43:16.155 --> 00:43:18.635
completely solo, or I have a camera
guy that comes along, just follows

00:43:18.635 --> 00:43:23.325
me in films, I've self filmed some
stuff, um, which is just a completely.

00:43:23.765 --> 00:43:28.425
Different can of worms, not a
camera guy, but, uh, no, there's

00:43:28.425 --> 00:43:29.525
a lot of people behind the scenes.

00:43:29.525 --> 00:43:31.705
I mean, even the footage we bring back.

00:43:31.705 --> 00:43:34.705
So the camera guys have, it's a lot
of pressure for a camera guy to be

00:43:34.705 --> 00:43:38.735
able to capture everything we're
doing, wake up, put up with us.

00:43:38.765 --> 00:43:41.555
I'm passionate about getting out there
and hiking up and down because I'm trying

00:43:41.555 --> 00:43:45.125
to hunt an animal and like the switch
and you're in the, now all of a sudden.

00:43:45.790 --> 00:43:51.090
A camera guy has to follow my stinky,
grumpy butt around and somehow find

00:43:51.090 --> 00:43:52.610
the same passion that I'm able to do.

00:43:52.610 --> 00:43:54.680
So like I can get up over rich
because I've got adrenaline

00:43:54.680 --> 00:43:55.580
pumping through my system.

00:43:55.590 --> 00:43:58.660
You got to have a camera guy that's
equally passionate, capturing

00:43:58.660 --> 00:43:59.770
the moment and capturing all.

00:44:00.060 --> 00:44:01.670
Then you have to have
a post production team.

00:44:01.670 --> 00:44:02.590
I don't do my own editing.

00:44:02.590 --> 00:44:05.349
So post production team
that can take that vision.

00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:08.600
Put it onto the screen and
tell the story of the hunt that

00:44:08.600 --> 00:44:10.320
you were on in a tasteful way.

00:44:10.460 --> 00:44:11.060
Mmm.

00:44:11.160 --> 00:44:15.030
Do justice to the animal, not do
just a whack and stack episode.

00:44:15.370 --> 00:44:17.940
Show the appreciation, help our
viewers feel like they're there.

00:44:18.400 --> 00:44:21.535
There's a lot more to it than
just Go out and have a successful

00:44:21.575 --> 00:44:22.395
hunt every now and then.

00:44:22.405 --> 00:44:24.105
And it's like, you got to succeed.

00:44:24.345 --> 00:44:27.415
The network's like, they
don't want you to fail ever,

00:44:27.905 --> 00:44:28.375
Travis Bader: ever.

00:44:29.045 --> 00:44:33.325
See, I always thought that was one of
the neat things that, um, and I, I'll

00:44:33.335 --> 00:44:35.685
be guilty of not watching a lot of TV.

00:44:35.685 --> 00:44:39.515
I don't watch a lot of different
hunt shows, but meat eater, when they

00:44:39.515 --> 00:44:44.875
started coming out, they found success
in telling the story and not always

00:44:44.885 --> 00:44:47.435
having to be successful on, on the hunt.

00:44:47.530 --> 00:44:51.160
And I, and I've seen a shift and I
don't know if it was meat eater or if

00:44:51.160 --> 00:44:55.140
it was other shows or it's just the
zeitgeist, but being able to tell the

00:44:55.140 --> 00:44:59.770
story of the failure, I think is just as
powerful as having, having that success.

00:45:00.110 --> 00:45:03.960
I, I definitely think there's a
relatable, uh, aspect to that where

00:45:04.830 --> 00:45:08.070
the average individual and most
people do fail on a lot of hunts.

00:45:08.090 --> 00:45:09.720
So it's very common to
have a lot of failures.

00:45:09.770 --> 00:45:10.890
So it's, it's relatable.

00:45:10.910 --> 00:45:14.260
And if there's, there's some
value, so lesson learned.

00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:18.350
Um, what you would do differently next
year, something taken from the experience.

00:45:18.370 --> 00:45:18.970
Absolutely.

00:45:18.970 --> 00:45:19.360
It can still go.

00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:20.120
And don't get me wrong.

00:45:20.130 --> 00:45:22.690
We do air episodes where we don't
harvest enough or we don't kill.

00:45:22.870 --> 00:45:23.090
Right.

00:45:23.100 --> 00:45:27.730
That's, that's not a faux pas,
but the thing is, everybody

00:45:27.730 --> 00:45:30.060
says, well, we want the, like you
said, everybody wants a story.

00:45:30.060 --> 00:45:31.500
We want to see the failures as well.

00:45:31.970 --> 00:45:33.060
The ratings don't lie.

00:45:33.650 --> 00:45:36.700
People, we can see people tune
in and they're like, Oh, this

00:45:36.700 --> 00:45:37.930
doesn't seem like it's going well.

00:45:39.730 --> 00:45:42.990
And then the episode airs again and nobody
watches it the second time, but everybody

00:45:42.990 --> 00:45:44.590
goes, we wanted to see that stuff.

00:45:44.680 --> 00:45:45.210
You air it.

00:45:45.570 --> 00:45:46.190
Nobody sees it.

00:45:46.200 --> 00:45:47.090
Your ratings plummet.

00:45:47.260 --> 00:45:48.930
That's a good way to come off the TV.

00:45:48.940 --> 00:45:54.010
So it's, it's people say they respect and
want something, but the numbers don't lie.

00:45:54.270 --> 00:45:57.890
And then I'll like, so that's,
that's the cold reality of it.

00:45:57.890 --> 00:45:59.180
But like we like, I like.

00:45:59.810 --> 00:46:01.450
Being able to share the truth behind it.

00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:02.640
I screw up a lot.

00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:03.660
I make mistakes.

00:46:03.700 --> 00:46:04.490
I learned from it.

00:46:05.070 --> 00:46:08.190
I mean, for me, I feel better putting
something out there like that.

00:46:08.210 --> 00:46:11.890
I feel like that's something like my
son one day will want to see, like,

00:46:11.890 --> 00:46:13.080
you know what, dad wasn't perfect.

00:46:13.410 --> 00:46:19.230
He may, I mean, he'll see that a lot
in one of the years anyways, but, uh,

00:46:19.230 --> 00:46:24.970
yeah, like I think that side is you
want to balance the, The reality of it,

00:46:25.010 --> 00:46:30.200
the blown stocks, the mistakes, all of
that stuff, but still have the success

00:46:30.220 --> 00:46:35.200
because the truth is that's what fills
seats, which is a cold, dirty truth.

00:46:35.730 --> 00:46:38.540
Travis Bader: Well, that, and that's
interesting because from my perspective,

00:46:38.540 --> 00:46:43.030
not really being in that industry,
I would think like, you're right.

00:46:43.030 --> 00:46:45.600
The numbers don't lie and
I don't see those numbers.

00:46:45.600 --> 00:46:47.240
I don't, I don't see that side of it.

00:46:47.250 --> 00:46:50.300
And I would just naively think,
Oh, tell the story, put it out.

00:46:50.310 --> 00:46:52.690
You could have a whole
season of unsuccessful hunts.

00:46:53.700 --> 00:46:53.990
I'm not,

00:46:54.020 --> 00:46:54.590
I'm not like.

00:46:54.900 --> 00:46:58.380
So historically, maybe there will be
a transition or a shift at times, and

00:46:58.390 --> 00:47:01.610
it definitely probably just puts a lot
more pressure on like really quality

00:47:01.610 --> 00:47:04.620
content or, you know, storytelling
to be able to pull it through.

00:47:04.620 --> 00:47:08.620
Like look at Steve Rinella, that man,
he, his background is in journalism.

00:47:08.820 --> 00:47:09.110
Right.

00:47:09.140 --> 00:47:09.950
So he's a wordsmith.

00:47:09.980 --> 00:47:10.670
He can.

00:47:11.105 --> 00:47:13.645
Talk to you about watching paint
dry and you would sit there and

00:47:13.645 --> 00:47:15.415
watch him talk for an hour, right?

00:47:15.465 --> 00:47:19.015
The way he invites you into a story
and describes everything is beautiful

00:47:19.015 --> 00:47:20.655
and you just can't stop right?

00:47:20.685 --> 00:47:26.655
Whereas I am a football player like
like a journalist who has a way with

00:47:26.655 --> 00:47:30.505
words and a guy that used to smash his
head against other guys for a living

00:47:30.855 --> 00:47:34.920
so I Don't have that Ability there.

00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:36.920
Travis Bader: So play to your strengths.

00:47:36.920 --> 00:47:40.530
Tell me about guided hunts.

00:47:40.540 --> 00:47:44.180
So I've never, I shouldn't say
I've never been on a guided hunt.

00:47:44.210 --> 00:47:49.640
I think it's a fantastic way to fast track
a knowledge acquisition by watching other

00:47:49.640 --> 00:47:51.600
people who, who know what they're doing.

00:47:51.890 --> 00:47:56.510
Uh, my guided hunt that
I Molokai for Axis Deer.

00:47:56.510 --> 00:48:00.820
And I, I, I didn't know the rules.

00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:02.330
My first out of country hunt.

00:48:03.495 --> 00:48:06.095
Figured made it might as well go with
somebody who knows what they're doing.

00:48:06.095 --> 00:48:10.645
And it was, it was a very different
experience to how I've ever hunted,

00:48:10.645 --> 00:48:17.035
which is, uh, hard and long and, uh,
through a lot of, um, school hard knocks.

00:48:17.655 --> 00:48:21.795
Uh, what, what, tell me what the world
of guided hunts and what people who

00:48:21.795 --> 00:48:27.035
are used to doing either solo hunting
or hunting in a remote wilderness

00:48:27.035 --> 00:48:28.865
areas should, should be looking for.

00:48:31.405 --> 00:48:34.855
That's, yeah, like, it was
an interesting transition for

00:48:34.865 --> 00:48:36.135
me with my first guided hunt.

00:48:36.295 --> 00:48:42.045
Um, But going out on a guided hunt,
it is like, if you're fortunate, it's

00:48:42.075 --> 00:48:46.885
like a friend is hunt hosting you and
you show up and you're like, I want

00:48:46.945 --> 00:48:50.945
to be able to offer some insight, but
understand that I'm not the person

00:48:50.945 --> 00:48:52.295
that knows the most about this area.

00:48:53.035 --> 00:48:56.055
The deer in this area, the elk in this
area, the moose in this area might react

00:48:56.055 --> 00:48:57.795
differently to what I typically do.

00:48:58.585 --> 00:49:01.885
Um, don't go in acting like a know it
all cause they do not appreciate that.

00:49:01.935 --> 00:49:05.925
But, but be willing to like, listen,
learn, Understand more, like I've

00:49:05.925 --> 00:49:09.705
learned some amazing stuff about hunting
through watching these guides, different

00:49:09.705 --> 00:49:11.045
people and the way they react in areas.

00:49:11.075 --> 00:49:13.975
So I like to go in and be a
sponge, but I'm not afraid at

00:49:13.975 --> 00:49:15.965
times to offer insider suggestions.

00:49:16.510 --> 00:49:19.800
But at the same time, if they tell me
to shut up and sit back in my seat,

00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:22.600
Joe, like, I'm like, okay, yeah, just
thought I'd put my hand up for the

00:49:22.600 --> 00:49:26.180
class, but it does make you better.

00:49:26.180 --> 00:49:30.320
And you learn a lot, um, about
hunting different terrain, hunting

00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:32.370
different animals and different
seasons, because they get to be

00:49:32.370 --> 00:49:33.500
out there for the entire season.

00:49:34.130 --> 00:49:37.650
We get to be out there for a week,
10 days, a short period of time.

00:49:38.070 --> 00:49:41.300
Um, so it's, it's a different experience.

00:49:41.905 --> 00:49:43.695
I've learned a lot through it.

00:49:43.745 --> 00:49:47.005
I think guides are, they have a wealth
of knowledge, which is amazing and

00:49:47.005 --> 00:49:48.825
really exciting to, to, to watch.

00:49:49.215 --> 00:49:52.895
Um, but at the same time, I really
enjoy my own hunts and being

00:49:52.895 --> 00:49:54.115
able to do my own stuff as well.

00:49:54.975 --> 00:49:57.325
Travis Bader: What are some of the
biggest things that you've learned

00:49:57.325 --> 00:50:00.869
throughout your career with wild
TV, or maybe from the guides?

00:50:02.600 --> 00:50:03.370
Biggest things I've

00:50:03.370 --> 00:50:06.910
learned throughout the years, throughout
the year, that's, that's a very vague.

00:50:07.100 --> 00:50:07.830
It's very vague.

00:50:07.900 --> 00:50:07.990
I

00:50:07.990 --> 00:50:09.040
Travis Bader: left it open for a reason.

00:50:09.040 --> 00:50:09.540
The biggest thing

00:50:09.540 --> 00:50:12.130
I've learned is that I do
not know much about hunting.

00:50:12.570 --> 00:50:15.380
Travis Bader: I am reminded of
that over and over again in myself.

00:50:15.970 --> 00:50:19.720
It's, I don't think I'll ever get to
a point where I feel that I'm at a,

00:50:19.960 --> 00:50:24.469
at a level where I can call myself
expert in any, any part of hunting.

00:50:24.670 --> 00:50:29.110
Cause just when I think I know a
good amount, I learned that I, I'm

00:50:29.110 --> 00:50:30.410
really low on the Dunning Kruger.

00:50:30.510 --> 00:50:31.090
Absolutely.

00:50:31.090 --> 00:50:35.260
And like, when you go into a new area,
that species might not act the same way.

00:50:35.430 --> 00:50:38.030
It didn't, they, they can act very
similar, but there's no guarantee

00:50:38.030 --> 00:50:39.350
that it's going to be the exact same.

00:50:39.390 --> 00:50:43.730
So, and like I said, it's just
understanding, truly understanding and

00:50:43.730 --> 00:50:45.524
appreciating how much I do not know.

00:50:45.525 --> 00:50:46.575
About hunting.

00:50:46.575 --> 00:50:50.315
And like I said, I went home, I
think I was four when my dad started

00:50:50.315 --> 00:50:53.725
taking me out hunting and we're, you
know, blacktail hunting and grouse

00:50:53.735 --> 00:50:55.035
hunting around here, things like that.

00:50:55.035 --> 00:50:57.535
But I grew up, my mom ran the
local mushroom buying station.

00:50:58.095 --> 00:51:00.025
So we spent a lot of time in
the bush doing all of that.

00:51:00.035 --> 00:51:03.335
We picked greens because my mom
like made wreaths and garland.

00:51:03.335 --> 00:51:05.425
So I spent so much time in
the bush when I was younger.

00:51:05.425 --> 00:51:06.449
I used to think I knew a lot.

00:51:06.450 --> 00:51:09.279
Yeah,

00:51:09.280 --> 00:51:12.900
Travis Bader: we, we were talking about
mushrooms and it was always one of

00:51:12.900 --> 00:51:16.710
these things in my head, these people
that go out foraging for mushrooms,

00:51:16.710 --> 00:51:18.410
man, they got to be some drippy hippie.

00:51:18.450 --> 00:51:18.720
Right.

00:51:18.720 --> 00:51:21.590
And I'm like, who would want to go
and do this until I finally did it.

00:51:21.620 --> 00:51:24.670
And like, whereas it's been
all my life, it's amazing.

00:51:24.670 --> 00:51:26.470
I'm outside, I'm connecting with nature.

00:51:26.470 --> 00:51:29.070
These it's like an Easter
egg hunt for adults.

00:51:29.070 --> 00:51:33.560
It's so much fun, but this
is one of your, your passions

00:51:33.560 --> 00:51:35.330
is, is foraging and mushrooms.

00:51:35.635 --> 00:51:35.995
Yeah.

00:51:35.995 --> 00:51:39.015
I mean, I was introduced, like I said,
I was introduced to it at a young age

00:51:39.015 --> 00:51:43.915
and I'm sure there's certain being
raised where you get that excitement.

00:51:43.915 --> 00:51:46.515
It's like Christmas when you get to
come home with a big haul of mushrooms,

00:51:46.865 --> 00:51:48.275
the whole family gets excited.

00:51:48.735 --> 00:51:49.565
You feel good.

00:51:49.565 --> 00:51:50.535
Everybody else feels good.

00:51:50.535 --> 00:51:52.325
So like there's that tie in my book.

00:51:52.345 --> 00:51:54.165
So I'm sure I get those
endorphin releases.

00:51:54.560 --> 00:51:56.830
When I find them on my own,
because it's just that subliminal,

00:51:56.830 --> 00:51:58.770
like you're checking that box.

00:51:59.170 --> 00:52:01.270
Uh, but, but I just truly enjoyed it.

00:52:01.270 --> 00:52:03.820
Like my mom, so it was a
pine mushroom buying station.

00:52:04.030 --> 00:52:07.010
Um, there's a big market
for them over in Japan.

00:52:07.160 --> 00:52:10.550
You buy them, like there was times
when I was younger, we, we didn't

00:52:10.550 --> 00:52:12.390
have a ton of money growing up.

00:52:12.390 --> 00:52:14.130
Like we, it was small town living.

00:52:14.140 --> 00:52:16.500
My father worked hard.

00:52:16.885 --> 00:52:18.025
But we didn't have everything we needed.

00:52:18.025 --> 00:52:20.725
So we hunted, we legitimately
hunted, fished and gardened

00:52:20.835 --> 00:52:22.155
everything to feed our family.

00:52:22.155 --> 00:52:22.775
That's what we did.

00:52:22.925 --> 00:52:23.215
Right.

00:52:23.275 --> 00:52:25.505
Um, so we shot a lot of forks,
spikes, all of that stuff.

00:52:25.545 --> 00:52:26.685
It was true like meat hunters.

00:52:26.725 --> 00:52:27.125
Travis Bader: Yep.

00:52:27.195 --> 00:52:30.955
Um, but mushrooming, you could be out
hunting, blacktail hunting or mule

00:52:30.955 --> 00:52:33.805
deer hunting, and you could happen
across a good patch of pine mushrooms.

00:52:33.825 --> 00:52:36.615
And at the time, like I remember
at one point, They were over

00:52:36.695 --> 00:52:38.845
120 a pound for a class one.

00:52:38.875 --> 00:52:40.745
So like there's class one
through five with pine

00:52:40.745 --> 00:52:42.155
mushrooms, whether it's a button.

00:52:42.175 --> 00:52:45.425
So the veil is all attached or partially
detached and yada, yada rating scores.

00:52:45.905 --> 00:52:47.755
So 120 plus dollars a pound.

00:52:47.755 --> 00:52:49.235
And that's back when I was young.

00:52:49.235 --> 00:52:50.415
So that's, I'm getting old.

00:52:50.815 --> 00:52:51.375
That's a while ago.

00:52:51.375 --> 00:52:52.295
So that's a lot of money.

00:52:52.695 --> 00:52:54.565
Um, so now you could go on these hunts.

00:52:55.315 --> 00:52:59.965
And not only pay for the gas, so it wasn't
a big hit, but like, you could come back

00:52:59.965 --> 00:53:03.655
home, there'd be food on the table, and
money in the bank, and everybody was

00:53:03.655 --> 00:53:08.205
happy, so it was this really exciting
time, where, yeah, and then my passion for

00:53:08.205 --> 00:53:12.205
that, it's just, it's still, even without
the money, it's just fun going out there

00:53:12.205 --> 00:53:15.430
and picking mushrooms, and if you're going
to be out there anyways, a lot of the best

00:53:15.430 --> 00:53:20.505
mushrooms grow in the fall, chanterelles,
pine mushrooms, um, lion's mane, bear's

00:53:20.505 --> 00:53:24.075
tooth, Cauliflower, mushrooms, like
all those bleats, any of that stuff,

00:53:24.075 --> 00:53:25.225
Travis Bader: that's all
out there that time of year.

00:53:25.935 --> 00:53:29.815
So you had some good advice talking
about if somebody wanted to get into

00:53:29.815 --> 00:53:35.815
mushroom picking and not necessarily
having to be an expert in everything.

00:53:36.075 --> 00:53:38.915
What advice would you give to
somebody who wants to get into it?

00:53:39.465 --> 00:53:40.155
Learn

00:53:40.615 --> 00:53:41.324
one thing.

00:53:41.895 --> 00:53:42.765
Species of mushroom.

00:53:43.445 --> 00:53:45.785
Just pick one that you're
interested in learning.

00:53:46.095 --> 00:53:49.645
Look into, there's a lot of
information online regarding your

00:53:49.645 --> 00:53:52.545
location and what mushrooms are
readily available in that area.

00:53:52.545 --> 00:53:55.845
There's a ton of information
online and pick one mushroom

00:53:55.845 --> 00:53:56.865
that interests you and learn it.

00:53:57.345 --> 00:54:02.215
And learn it really well, learn how
to identify the species you want and

00:54:02.215 --> 00:54:06.025
how to identify the similar mushrooms
that aren't the ones you want, because

00:54:06.025 --> 00:54:07.535
sometimes they can be very poisonous.

00:54:08.055 --> 00:54:11.495
Um, some of them might just cause
discomfort or be bitter and you

00:54:11.495 --> 00:54:13.795
don't want to mix the mushrooms
because cross pollination of even

00:54:13.795 --> 00:54:16.795
the spores on the mushrooms can
sometimes make your stomach upset.

00:54:17.205 --> 00:54:18.685
But learn one mushroom at a time.

00:54:19.355 --> 00:54:22.245
And you can spend a whole year, you
learn one, and then in a few years,

00:54:22.435 --> 00:54:25.885
you're going to have A big amount of
mushrooms, you know how to pick and

00:54:25.885 --> 00:54:26.765
you're going to feel really confident.

00:54:26.805 --> 00:54:29.515
To this day, I go out with friends and
they're like, what's that mushroom?

00:54:29.515 --> 00:54:30.115
What's that mushroom?

00:54:30.115 --> 00:54:31.345
I'm like, I call them lever rights.

00:54:31.345 --> 00:54:32.335
I'm like, oh, that's a lever, right?

00:54:32.335 --> 00:54:33.441
And they're like, oh,
what's a lever right?

00:54:33.441 --> 00:54:34.795
I'm like, leave it right there.

00:54:34.805 --> 00:54:37.045
Cause I have no clue what the
heck it is, but don't touch it.

00:54:37.575 --> 00:54:38.235
We'll take a picture.

00:54:38.235 --> 00:54:38.975
I'll look it up later.

00:54:39.015 --> 00:54:39.325
Yeah.

00:54:39.385 --> 00:54:42.185
Um, cause I don't know what a lot
of them are, but the ones I do

00:54:42.185 --> 00:54:44.175
know, I'm very, very confident.

00:54:44.175 --> 00:54:45.865
I have a hundred percent
confidence can pick it.

00:54:46.260 --> 00:54:46.970
Know how to cook it.

00:54:47.000 --> 00:54:47.880
And I'm happy with that.

00:54:47.940 --> 00:54:49.540
And I know the areas to
find them and everything.

00:54:50.070 --> 00:54:54.870
And I likened it earlier to if somebody
wanted to go hunting and they wanted to go

00:54:54.870 --> 00:55:00.130
on their first hunting trip, feeling like
they needed to understand every species

00:55:00.130 --> 00:55:05.430
ID, every sex ID, being able to age class
a sheep, do all of these things before

00:55:05.430 --> 00:55:06.790
they wanted to go hunt grouse or rabbit.

00:55:06.850 --> 00:55:07.480
Forget about it.

00:55:07.480 --> 00:55:11.300
Like you can figure out what a grouse
looks like and go hunt grouse and then

00:55:11.300 --> 00:55:13.210
go, okay, I'm really good on grouse.

00:55:13.785 --> 00:55:17.395
Now I want to look up rabbit and
differentiate, like find the difference

00:55:17.395 --> 00:55:21.965
between a cottontail and different
types of rabbits or deer or moose

00:55:22.015 --> 00:55:24.825
or, and then eventually work your
way up to the more complicated ones.

00:55:24.855 --> 00:55:29.365
Cause yeah, like if you want to go pine
mushrooming, the pine mushroom has a

00:55:29.375 --> 00:55:33.915
very distinct smell, very identifiable
features, but there are some mushrooms

00:55:33.965 --> 00:55:36.455
in this area, like one of them is
called like the angel of death.

00:55:37.145 --> 00:55:40.775
And if you eat it, if you eat like a
cap, an adult can eat a cap or half

00:55:40.775 --> 00:55:43.505
a cap, go to the hospital, tell them
you ate that mushroom, they're going

00:55:43.505 --> 00:55:44.505
to keep you comfortable till you die.

00:55:45.105 --> 00:55:45.355
Right.

00:55:45.375 --> 00:55:47.565
Like that's it, you're done,
because it causes organ failure.

00:55:48.095 --> 00:55:49.435
Travis Bader: So, but.

00:55:49.495 --> 00:55:50.995
That happened recently, didn't it?

00:55:51.005 --> 00:55:54.935
Just recently there is a group of, I
believe, uh, they're Japanese jurists.

00:55:55.295 --> 00:55:56.155
Did you hear about this one?

00:55:56.265 --> 00:55:57.015
I I've heard

00:55:57.055 --> 00:55:59.865
a few cases over the years, but I don't
know if I've heard this specific case.

00:55:59.915 --> 00:56:00.185
No.

00:56:00.275 --> 00:56:00.635
Travis Bader: Okay.

00:56:00.635 --> 00:56:01.945
I think, what were they looking for?

00:56:01.945 --> 00:56:06.255
There was, um, because one will grow on
a hardwood and one grows on a softwood,

00:56:06.595 --> 00:56:09.445
one will grow one type of tree, one
will grow on a different type of tree

00:56:09.445 --> 00:56:11.455
and they, they look very similar.

00:56:11.455 --> 00:56:16.745
And I think it was the, I think it was,
and I wish I knew more about mushrooms

00:56:16.745 --> 00:56:20.475
to be able to identify which is which,
but, um, from what I understood,

00:56:20.475 --> 00:56:21.725
there's a family that ate them.

00:56:21.735 --> 00:56:23.475
It was a lookalike and they ended up, uh,

00:56:23.985 --> 00:56:24.705
not making it.

00:56:25.060 --> 00:56:29.440
It's, it's scary, but what I will
say is don't let that scare you away

00:56:29.440 --> 00:56:32.880
from it, because once you do know,
there is some very, very obvious, like

00:56:32.900 --> 00:56:36.190
the veil on a pine mushroom attaches
higher up the stem, the veil on an

00:56:36.200 --> 00:56:37.770
angel of death attaches to the bottom.

00:56:37.770 --> 00:56:37.970
It's bulbous.

00:56:38.960 --> 00:56:42.815
Um, the, the, Angel of death has
these little square chunks on

00:56:42.815 --> 00:56:44.065
top that'll kind of shake off.

00:56:44.085 --> 00:56:46.625
Whereas a pine mushroom doesn't,
pine mushroom has a very firm

00:56:46.625 --> 00:56:48.375
stock, very pleasant smell.

00:56:48.685 --> 00:56:50.865
Angel of death stinks, like it's gross.

00:56:50.865 --> 00:56:52.975
Like, you smell it and you're like,
why would I ever want to put that in,

00:56:53.065 --> 00:56:54.185
like, why would I want to eat that?

00:56:54.385 --> 00:56:56.405
Pine mushroom, you're like, I don't
know if I'm going to get this back

00:56:56.405 --> 00:56:57.815
to my kitchen before I bite into it.

00:56:58.885 --> 00:57:00.984
But, you don't want to screw up on it.

00:57:01.315 --> 00:57:04.065
So, but there's easier ones start
with like a yellow chanterelle,

00:57:04.725 --> 00:57:08.435
start with, you know, a cauliflower
mushroom, very distinct.

00:57:08.445 --> 00:57:09.015
Start with a morel.

00:57:09.015 --> 00:57:09.995
Morel.

00:57:09.995 --> 00:57:13.485
I just picked morels for my first
time this year and that makes me

00:57:13.485 --> 00:57:14.675
feel stupid because they're amazing.

00:57:14.835 --> 00:57:15.585
Oh, they're so

00:57:15.585 --> 00:57:17.435
Travis Bader: good and
they're easy to identify.

00:57:17.445 --> 00:57:21.055
And if you find a fresh burn,
they're, they're abundant.

00:57:21.175 --> 00:57:21.665
Oh, I love

00:57:21.665 --> 00:57:22.125
morels.

00:57:22.175 --> 00:57:22.405
Yeah.

00:57:22.455 --> 00:57:23.315
So they're, they're great.

00:57:23.315 --> 00:57:26.705
But yeah, there's really easy mushrooms,
there's beginner level and then

00:57:26.705 --> 00:57:28.015
there's advanced and there's once.

00:57:28.305 --> 00:57:31.375
Not even necessarily advanced, but have
more of a risk if you make a mistake

00:57:32.085 --> 00:57:36.075
and start with the easy ones, learn
one or two a year, get really good.

00:57:36.145 --> 00:57:36.905
And before long,

00:57:37.095 --> 00:57:38.405
Travis Bader: you're going
to look like a pro out there.

00:57:38.785 --> 00:57:39.835
I think that's good advice.

00:57:39.865 --> 00:57:43.005
You know, the other one that gave me some
comfort was Hank Shaw, who said, there's

00:57:43.005 --> 00:57:47.525
a lot of mushrooms that you can pick that
are going to give you an upset stomach.

00:57:47.655 --> 00:57:50.855
There's only a few that are
going to really do damage to you.

00:57:51.245 --> 00:57:51.825
Absolutely.

00:57:51.835 --> 00:57:52.085
Yeah.

00:57:52.085 --> 00:57:52.815
Like I talked about.

00:57:53.900 --> 00:57:54.110
Right.

00:57:54.110 --> 00:57:55.940
Again, it's one of the nicknames it has.

00:57:56.370 --> 00:57:58.400
Anyways, um, it's not overly common.

00:57:58.440 --> 00:58:02.020
I've found them in the same areas
where I pick pine mushrooms, but

00:58:02.380 --> 00:58:06.740
they're not overly common and Yeah.

00:58:06.770 --> 00:58:09.200
So it's, don't let, don't let
that scare you away from it.

00:58:09.350 --> 00:58:12.540
Just understand that you should
appreciate and definitely put the effort.

00:58:12.540 --> 00:58:14.570
Don't go out there and just willy
nilly, pick a bunch of mushrooms,

00:58:14.730 --> 00:58:16.630
throw them in a basket and go, I'll
figure this out when I get home.

00:58:17.060 --> 00:58:18.480
Travis Bader: Oh, we got
a, got a friend as well.

00:58:18.480 --> 00:58:22.980
She went out for a hunt and pick some
morels and chewing away and eating them,

00:58:22.980 --> 00:58:24.510
thinking these things are fantastic.

00:58:24.550 --> 00:58:26.660
Not realizing you're supposed
to cook them first, right?

00:58:26.680 --> 00:58:30.290
You have them raw, didn't understand
why her, and I think she was out with

00:58:30.290 --> 00:58:32.370
her father, why her and her father had.

00:58:32.455 --> 00:58:35.405
Uh, uh, some GI upset afterwards.

00:58:35.425 --> 00:58:35.795
Yeah.

00:58:35.795 --> 00:58:36.595
That'll get you moving.

00:58:36.605 --> 00:58:36.625
Um,

00:58:37.975 --> 00:58:38.645
Yeah, definitely.

00:58:38.645 --> 00:58:40.945
Certain mushrooms are more palatable, raw.

00:58:42.085 --> 00:58:44.755
Some you can get away with
and some deer really like.

00:58:44.765 --> 00:58:48.565
So if you're finding like, I've had
a lot of success going into areas.

00:58:48.565 --> 00:58:50.235
I talked about it earlier
when we go hunting.

00:58:50.745 --> 00:58:53.925
If I go into my pine mushroom spot
and my mushrooms are all chewed down

00:58:53.925 --> 00:58:57.495
to the stems, I got to keep my eyes
peeled because there's deer in the area.

00:58:58.215 --> 00:59:00.105
But if I go in there and I end
up with a huge haul of pine

00:59:00.105 --> 00:59:01.305
mushrooms, I get to win, win.

00:59:02.055 --> 00:59:04.295
Um, but yeah, like deer
will love pine mushrooms.

00:59:04.415 --> 00:59:07.815
Chanterelles grow in blacktail spots
a lot and those same mossy bluffs.

00:59:08.295 --> 00:59:11.215
Um, so there's a lot of, you're going
to be there anyways, you might as well

00:59:11.215 --> 00:59:12.955
ID a few mushroom species while you're

00:59:12.965 --> 00:59:13.315
Travis Bader: in there.

00:59:13.575 --> 00:59:16.835
It's interesting when you
start, uh, realizing how

00:59:16.875 --> 00:59:18.235
interconnected everything is.

00:59:18.555 --> 00:59:18.955
Absolutely.

00:59:18.985 --> 00:59:21.835
And interconnected while they're alive.

00:59:21.835 --> 00:59:24.295
And, uh, blacktail with some

00:59:24.295 --> 00:59:24.974
pine mushroom

00:59:24.975 --> 00:59:28.645
Travis Bader: sauteing on the side,
like that, that hits the spot.

00:59:28.745 --> 00:59:29.465
I agree.

00:59:29.565 --> 00:59:29.735
Yeah.

00:59:29.735 --> 00:59:29.969
Yeah.

00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:34.350
Is there anything that we haven't
talked about that we should be touching

00:59:34.350 --> 00:59:37.960
on because right now I'm having a
difficult time differentiating between

00:59:37.960 --> 00:59:41.390
what we've talked about on the podcast
and what we talked about for the

00:59:41.390 --> 00:59:42.800
last number of hours on the boat.

00:59:42.880 --> 00:59:44.540
Yeah, we've talked about a whole bunch.

00:59:44.580 --> 00:59:48.970
Um, I mean, like I said, I'm
typically pretty open book.

00:59:48.970 --> 00:59:49.440
I don't.

00:59:50.365 --> 00:59:52.515
Shy away from any topics
and I'm pretty easygoing.

00:59:52.515 --> 00:59:55.305
I don't have a, an agenda
with us chatting today.

00:59:55.305 --> 00:59:57.925
I'm just enjoying chat with you, learning
more about you and your background

00:59:57.925 --> 01:00:00.735
and, and sharing some stories and
hopefully offering some insights that

01:00:00.735 --> 01:00:01.855
people can take something out of.

01:00:01.905 --> 01:00:06.125
But, uh, yeah, I mean, we've talked about
parenthood, we've talked about career and

01:00:06.295 --> 01:00:08.195
misconceptions about what I actually do.

01:00:08.205 --> 01:00:12.085
We've talked about, um, you
know, passions with hunting and

01:00:12.095 --> 01:00:14.925
mushrooming foraging background.

01:00:15.055 --> 01:00:16.300
Um, Yeah.

01:00:16.300 --> 01:00:16.710
I mean, it's

01:00:17.140 --> 01:00:17.530
Travis Bader: okay.

01:00:17.560 --> 01:00:18.080
Well, he's done

01:00:18.080 --> 01:00:19.130
pretty decent so far.

01:00:19.130 --> 01:00:19.560
I'd say,

01:00:19.660 --> 01:00:22.660
Travis Bader: well, what if we
go forward a little bit, because

01:00:22.670 --> 01:00:26.770
you know, everything will have a
shelf life in its current state.

01:00:26.790 --> 01:00:29.580
You can have different iterations
and change it over and have something

01:00:29.580 --> 01:00:31.470
that can last longer and longer.

01:00:31.970 --> 01:00:35.430
Uh, what does future Joe look like?

01:00:36.350 --> 01:00:37.480
Future Joe.

01:00:38.480 --> 01:00:41.660
I'm kind of, I guess I'm kind of
pushing into that realm right now.

01:00:42.130 --> 01:00:46.100
Of, I'm really trying to introduce
my son to the outdoors and I'm really

01:00:46.100 --> 01:00:49.740
wanting to gain, and I've said quite
often, like I get asked a lot, do you

01:00:49.740 --> 01:00:51.170
really want your son to play football?

01:00:51.180 --> 01:00:52.250
Do you really want your son to hunt?

01:00:53.310 --> 01:00:56.910
I would be very proud if my son grew
a passion for hunting and fishing.

01:00:57.350 --> 01:00:59.390
But as long as he likes the
outdoors, I'll be happy.

01:00:59.390 --> 01:01:02.460
So if he likes just being outdoors,
if he just wants to hike, if he wants

01:01:02.460 --> 01:01:05.530
to, as long as he has an appreciation
for the outdoors, I'm happy.

01:01:06.040 --> 01:01:08.930
If we can share those experiences
through hunting and fishing and

01:01:08.930 --> 01:01:12.370
everything, that's like the cherry
on top, that's the gold standard.

01:01:12.910 --> 01:01:14.190
So far I've been very fortunate.

01:01:14.190 --> 01:01:15.680
He really enjoys getting out there.

01:01:15.700 --> 01:01:16.860
He really enjoys hunting.

01:01:17.435 --> 01:01:20.665
Like he'll come in here and grab my
binos and be like, let's go hunting.

01:01:20.665 --> 01:01:23.505
Or like he sees dad's truck and he'll
ask me, like, I pick him up from daycare

01:01:23.505 --> 01:01:27.035
and he asked if we can go on the boat
and go crabbing or can we go hunting?

01:01:27.035 --> 01:01:30.155
Or he understands when we're going
hunting and, and he really enjoys that.

01:01:30.155 --> 01:01:33.945
So, um, for me right now, it's
that side of things I'm involved

01:01:33.975 --> 01:01:35.895
with, like wild sheep society, BC.

01:01:35.985 --> 01:01:39.245
I'm on their board of directors trying to
make sure that a lot of our opportunities

01:01:39.245 --> 01:01:40.935
that we have now are available.

01:01:41.355 --> 01:01:43.785
To the next generation, those
opportunities will be there that

01:01:43.795 --> 01:01:46.515
the wildlife will be there to enjoy.

01:01:47.205 --> 01:01:49.525
Um, so that's a lot of it.

01:01:49.575 --> 01:01:53.725
Um, and then hopefully if I do a
good job at that, it means I'll get

01:01:53.725 --> 01:01:56.615
to hunt longer because he'll pack
my stuff out of the bush for me.

01:01:56.895 --> 01:01:57.535
I love it.

01:01:57.985 --> 01:01:58.465
I love it.

01:01:58.465 --> 01:02:00.865
So then we don't have to talk
about the next chapter too soon

01:02:00.865 --> 01:02:01.945
because he'll be there with me.

01:02:01.945 --> 01:02:04.585
And when my knees fail, he'll
be like, I'll take that for you.

01:02:04.665 --> 01:02:05.725
Oh, that's amazing.

01:02:05.785 --> 01:02:08.345
Yeah, but, uh, but yeah, I
don't see myself walking away

01:02:08.345 --> 01:02:09.595
from the outdoors anytime soon.

01:02:09.595 --> 01:02:10.975
If I'm, if I'm successful.

01:02:11.660 --> 01:02:12.940
This is the type of thing where,

01:02:13.190 --> 01:02:13.480
Travis Bader: I mean,

01:02:13.790 --> 01:02:13.940
I'll

01:02:13.940 --> 01:02:15.600
Travis Bader: work till
I die and I just love it.

01:02:16.520 --> 01:02:19.150
Joe, thank you so much for
being on the Suffercore podcast.

01:02:19.150 --> 01:02:20.440
I've really enjoyed our day.

01:02:20.480 --> 01:02:21.630
I've really enjoyed the conversation.

01:02:21.630 --> 01:02:23.110
Pleasure's been all mine.

01:02:23.110 --> 01:02:25.297
Anytime

01:02:25.297 --> 01:02:27.485
folks.

01:02:27.485 --> 01:02:36.234
Thanks for having me.