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What are drones really used for
in the construction industry?

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We had a poor guy who we were showing
some stuff on a project that was

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doing some kind of inspection, you
know, a building that was getting

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finished up and he was using
binoculars to do it, and, and poor guy.

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We showed him some of the kind of
functions within the platform and,

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you know, you could, you could
tell his ears and eyes were perking

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up, like, this is amazing and.

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All right.

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I wanna welcome Grant Hagan to the,
your drum questions Answered podcast.

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Thanks for coming on, grant.

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You bet.

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Hey, team, nice to be joining in
with us and, uh, yeah, excited

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to answer some questions.

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Uh, today's question we're gonna be
addressing is what are drones really

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used for in the construction industry?

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Um, we hear from people all the time.

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They know that drones
are used in construction.

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They have some loose ideas.

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Grant, do you wanna give just
like a quick, like 20 seconds

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on your background now?

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You've worked for construction
companies, you've worked for drones,

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now you've worked for Jones, and
now you work for DroneDeploy.

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We met at a drone conference.

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Let everybody know 20 seconds of
why they should, uh, listen to

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you, . Probably because I
have more construction spirits

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than, uh, than tech experience.

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But yeah, I worked, uh, went to school
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that led me to a construction and
architecture firm for about 10 years.

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Kind of worked my way through
project management, virtual

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design and construction.

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That was kind of where I, uh,
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Uh, and then was a longtime drone
deploy user and just, uh, had an

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opportunity to come on the team and
really help them with this idea of,

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uh, construction within their platform
and how to make it even better, uh,

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from a product side and enablement
side for customers that were using it.

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And so have been on the drone deploy
team for, uh, a little, uh, over

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a year, um, and have been in the
construction space for over 10 years.

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So, yeah, it's been really fun to
kind of see these two, uh, come.

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Sounds

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like you are the perfect
person for this question then.

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Uh, so I'm excited to, to dive into it.

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So why don't we just start on a high
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maybe less familiar with drones and
construction, what are just some

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quick hits, uh, kind of like right
now, today, the biggest ways you are

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seeing construction companies or drone
service providers using drones in

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cons.

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It's, it's a great question to,
to tackle cuz really there's

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a lot of facets to it, right?

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Like you can start 50,000 feet, move
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get it and land on the ground.

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But, you know, a big challenge in
construction, uh, unlike manufacturing,

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uh, where you, you know, have a controlled
environment, you're doing a lot of, uh,

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small things to eventually, you know, make
a re repetitive, uh, amount of a product.

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Construction's very much linear,
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product, uh, out in the field.

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And, uh, to track that and to really.

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As it gets built is very challenging.

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Um, and, and not only that,
uh, take yourself outside

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of a manufacturing facility.

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You know, we're working on, uh, tens
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And so to track information across
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across a large area is just
also really challenging as well.

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And, and, you know, drones really
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construction is it's a very simple tool.

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Uh, it's a really effective tool,
uh, and it's a really safe tool,

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which is also just a huge, uh,
added value in construction.

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To really perform and do things a lot
safer, uh, which is just really cool.

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So that's probably the 50,000 foot view
is really just tracking the changes

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that happen on a job, uh, and having
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uh, over a large project site, which
is typically what construction is in.

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You know, we were out on a project trying
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uh, just some really challenging scopes
of work, uh, on some roofing conditions.

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And, you know, the, the legacy
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construction is putting someone in
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Either using some binoculars
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challenging to see as well.

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Uh, and so at the time we were
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this drone could, could get us eyes
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that we weren't able to see.

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So the kind of 30,000 foot, you
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Uh, there's, there's a lot of
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a construction progress, uh, that
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C uh, and the really, the, the
legacy way of doing that is putting

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someone in that position, which
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Um, you know, the, a lot of times
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see people hanging off what we call
swing stages, which are just, you know,

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kind of window or maintenance or, uh,
exterior, uh, kind of elements that

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they use to maintenance buildings.

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someone in that unsafe condition.

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So that's really how I got into drones
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Hey, Uh, what could we use to put an eye
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to, uh, or we didn't have the ability to,
in just a much safer and efficient way.

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Uh, we didn't have to put someone
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a tie off or any kind of training
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Really just to put their eyes and
see what needed to be corrected.

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I think that's a challenge with drones
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issue and it's not really ever going
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in the loop element, but it is going
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that's really the inspection part of it.

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to know what you have to go into then?

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When you hear drones in construction,
I feel like the two things that pop

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up frequently in that conversation
are progress updates, just mm-hmm.

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generally wide shots, and then people
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creating some type of map or, mm-hmm.

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topography or like a record
or 3D model of the building.

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Of all of those, which is kind
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difficult, the most useful.

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Just thinking through,
you know, what you know.

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Drones can be used for, you know,

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talk a little bit about.

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Having progress documentation from,
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is just having a helicopter service.

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You know, that those were pretty prevalent
for a long time, which, you know, they go

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fly 30 sites in a, in a day or afternoon
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Um, just to kind of give that
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and, and that was really common.

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You know, thing for a really long time.

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And, you know, progress reports and
billing reports are a really big

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part of construction, uh, as you're
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and payments and things like that.

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And so those progress reports are huge.

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They give access to people that aren't
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that aren't in that region that
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And, you know, I think, uh, kind
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level, the 10,000 foot value add,
that's even really been more.

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Hear these last few years from Covid is
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You know, we're able to have
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perspectives, more ways, more media
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You know, we're a lot
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Don't just use it for mapping
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huge value add in itself.

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But, you know, they're doing things like
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Uh, You know, those are consistently,
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project that, you know, at the end
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little time lapse and see the changes
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they wanted through, you know, the
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So, you know, the mapping and
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that's a huge value add in itself.

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There's some kind of things that happen
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but the benefit is, and for many of
who've either used drone ploy or have

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looked into it as it's a really easy
thing to do, you're dragging photos

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into a photo processing engine.

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Gonna stitch together a high resolution
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we call a, a photogrammetry model,
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move around a building as if you're,
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or Apple Maps kind of view, uh, in

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3d.

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In your experience, you know, on
construction sites, how often are.

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They're actually like using drones for
these types of documentation or other

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like modeling, are they like, oh, we've
gotta have this on every project, or

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is it just like, we're gonna only use
it on projects of a certain size or

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like, I guess where do you see the
parameters of when someone is making

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DEC as a decision to use a drone,

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uh, or not?

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Yeah, that's a great question.

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Uh, one that we get asked a ton.

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Uh, and, and I would say across the
board, the most frequent answer is, is

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usually weekly, uh, for a couple reasons.

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One in which there's, you know, weekly
meetings that happen, uh, with your

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subcontractors and key stakeholders with
your owners or clients that you're working

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with, and they just wanna be updated.

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You know, construction sites can change so
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it's a, you know, a smaller job or a job.

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You know, hundreds of people on it and
all this stuff that's, that's changing.

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And so, you know, that weekly kind
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uh, the life cycle of construction.

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You know, specifically in the
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moving phase, you're for sure wanting
to be documenting it weekly just from

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all the changes that are happening.

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And, you know, as you're going up
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exterior work and facade work, you
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have really key milestone capture.

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As those different elements are
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to go back and take off any of those
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So yeah, just in a general sense,
weekly is, is pretty prevalent.

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Um, and then I would say adding on to
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So you could be documenting it weekly,
but know, hey, you're gonna be, um,

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you know, closing up an exterior wall
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a key, um, report to produce, uh, that
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Stone, uh, to document an app,
but, which is really surprising.

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You know, we used to do these
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month and we'd see so much change
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And, you know, I think as soon as the
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people to capture these more frequently
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know, they're not, Really doing much.

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They're just going out and watching
it, uh, go on performance mission, you

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know, we've seen people even document
it twice a week, you know, once at the

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beginning and, and once at the end.

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So, weekly is probably the most
common, but I would say it definitely

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ebbs and flows from the size of a
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of where it's at in the life cycle.

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So, speaking to the.

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People are seeking to do kind of a
drone service business and work with

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construction companies and they're like
kind of clueless about how to approach

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them or what their needs are, like
what's one piece of advice you would

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give them on like how to maybe have an
initial conversation with a construction

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company or kind of feel that out, see
if that's something that they could do

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for them.

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Great question.

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Uh, I have kind of a funny response and
then more of maybe a practical response.

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. Uh, first one fu funny maybe is
just like, Hey, go get yourself

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a bear of construction boots
and a, a construction vest.

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You know, I, I think oftentimes people,
you know, see a construction fence and

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they kind of wonder what's on the other
side of it and, you know, may have a

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chance to go engage in a conversation,
but, hey, you wanna, uh, engage

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with that community of individuals?

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You should, you should look like them and,
and, you know, put on a vest and get some.

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To and a hard hat to, you know,
basically show them, hey, uh,

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the, the most important thing on
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people home at the end of the day.

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And, and being in looking like
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know, attire to do that.

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That's why I just say it's funny.

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We, we interacted with a lot of service
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come with shorts and a t-shirt and
things that you're like, Hey, uh,

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there's some things here that maybe,
uh, you could go get a little bit

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more, uh, safe, uh, safer attire on.

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it's like, do they just instantly
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idea what they're doing.

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And, and, and I say that
jokingly, but also serious.

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about what is important to them.

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And that kind of leads into the second
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has such a, a vast community of people,
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projects to small, small projects.

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I, I could guess that.

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Someone on or listening to, you know,
a podcast like this knows someone in

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construction at some point or some level,
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member, and, and honestly going and asking
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the pain points you see on, you know,
projects that you've gotten to work on?

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I mean, construction people
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They love to talk about their projects.

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You know, it's, I heard it
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become a part of their family.

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Those projects that they work on are
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their family members and drive by those
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And, um, I, I would say becoming and
educating yourself, whether it's through

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listening to things like this or resources
or, you know, reaching out to individuals

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that you got to meet at a conference or
you got to hear through a podcast like

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this, like, uh, go, go really do the, to.

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Due to the due diligence of educating
yourself of, of what those pain points

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are to go and engage with, uh, those
potential customers that they may be.

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What's kind of your

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spiel that you give, like a person
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doesn't know as much about drones
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to adopting something new.

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Like what's your your best pitch
to get them to like take the

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pl.

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Start simply, simply start, you
know that drones aren't going away.

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Uh, they're, they're clearly have been
transforming the way that, you know,

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project teams have been, uh, ensuring
a safer project, uh, have been, you

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know, completing projects on schedule
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Like, you know, there, there's a period,
you know, five to seven years ago that

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drones were just kind of continuing to be.

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together and, and we're past that.

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projects really embrace this idea.

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And the idea of, you know, simply
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down to really however you want to.

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drone, and, you know, they.

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They see themselves in truly,
they are construction companies.

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They're not drone companies.

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provider or, um, you know, we have a
data on demand function within our, you

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know, platform that you can go and order
flights just as if, you know, you're

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ordering something off of Uber Eats.

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. That's really the encouragement
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hey, we, we've, we've seen this
technology isn't going away.

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That's what we've gotten so excited
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customers have really embraced it.

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Uh, but it, it's not as complicated
as you would think and, and you

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can get as involved, uh, and build
out your own team and pilots and

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programs as much as you want.

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expertise of a lot of people and, you

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know, folks like you and your community
that you're, you know, building

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through, uh, channels like this too.

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So just simply start and start.

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feel like that's a, a motto
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any area of like work or life.

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it's used

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Other parts too.

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never heard it, but I love it cuz one
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about drones, but just work in general.

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If you feel like a project is, is like
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always procrastinating or like try to
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Um, lemme just break it down.

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Hey, simply start.

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I love it.

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What's your favorite recent?

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Uh, in the construction world, um,
either something funny that happened or

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bad that happened on construction site.

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I don't know.

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What do you, any good story that you
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uh, in the world of construction?

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You know, anytime you show some folks,
uh, just how this can help them, um, you

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know, Really at the end of the day due
to their job more effectively or do it

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safely or, or save them some time to go
home to their, you know, family sooner.

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Those are always fun jobs.

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You know, we, we run into all the
time with just different features

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and functions within the tool of
like, man, I had no idea that that

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was something that, um, that you
guys could offer or that was done.

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You know, we, we had a poor guy
who we were showing some stuff,

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uh, to on a project that was
doing some kind of inspections.

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Uh, you know, a building that was getting
finished up and he was using binoculars to

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do it, and, and honestly can't blame him.

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I mean, he had a parking deck that
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and scan up and down the building.

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It was great.

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It, it was obviously the, the tool
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And, and poor guy, we showed him some of
the kind of functions within the platform

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and, you know, you could, you could
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Like, this is amazing.

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And, and we asked him, we said, Hey,
is, you know, do you think this is,

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could be a helpful tool for you?

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And he's like, man, No idea what I've
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know, sitting out on this parking deck
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and it was, you know, super hot out.

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And so, yeah, you know, those are
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you know, you, you hope that that's
the thing that's gonna kind of, uh,

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give people an opportunity to, to get
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safer and with the higher quality too.

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So I just love those
stories, you know, poor guy.

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He was excited to see some of
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could, could help him in his job.

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But, um, yeah, I just tho those
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and, and find ways to help them.

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I wasn't

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sure

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if that story was gonna go, he was really
bummed that he didn't, he, you took away

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his like job where he can chill and look
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But I guess you're sitting
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Maybe that's not as, uh,
luxurious as it sounds.

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He probably is dying out

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there.

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Yeah, he probably had a good
umbrella, uh, next to him too.

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But yeah, I was just, you know, those are,
those are hard cuz you're like, man, I, I

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really do want to help and, and find ways
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bit better than it was the day before

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Just bring him

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a, a ice cold bottle of water
and a DroneDeploy subscription.

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Be like, listen here.

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That's right.

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That's right.

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Awesome.

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Well, grant, uh, thanks for coming
on and talking about construction.

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I appreciate all your thoughts and,
uh, your experience sharing with us.

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Uh, so hope you, hope to have you on
again, uh, sometime when we get some

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more construction related questions.

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But,

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uh, appreciate you being here.

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Yeah, of course, David.

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Appreciate the time and yeah, if
anyone is interested about who we are

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as a company or other construction
related questions, uh, feel free to

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find us on LinkedIn and excited to
connect with y'all and appreciate.

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Sounds good.

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Thanks, grant.

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See you.

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Thanks, David.