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Sam Acho: Welcome to Sam Macho
podcast featuring Clif Marshall.

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Today we have a special
guest, David Pollock.

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Clif.

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I'm gonna have you introduce David, but
we already been talking and man, we got so

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much goodness we just had to get started.

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So Clif, please introduce David and
we're just gonna keep it rolling.

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Clif Marshall: Certainly, man.

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David, thank you so much for
being here today on the podcast.

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We talk on this podcast about
faith, family, finances, and

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football, and I would consider you
an expert in all of those areas.

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David Pollack: bro, not finances.

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I, I'll give you three outta the four.

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Brother.

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We ain't talking finances.

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Clif Marshall: well, let me
a, let me say this though.

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You were truly a follower of Christ,
a husband and a father, and in that

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order, and that's what I respect
about you most, but I did want to

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share just our background together.

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If you're watching the podcast,
and you can see my video here, I've

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got Davey Pollock over here on this
shoulder who signed a picture from

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when he was a first round draft
pick to the Cincinnati Bengals.

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On my

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Sam Acho: You gotta show it.

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So if you gotta show it, because

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Clif Marshall: I, I do, I do.

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Sam Acho: we need to, we need
to get this right in the middle.

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Right in the middle so he

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Clif Marshall: There it
is right there, you guys.

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David Pollack: guy.

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Clif Marshall: Yes.

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And I've also got Sam on my other shoulder
because I was blessed to train Sam as well

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throughout his NFL career and that picture
there when he was with the Chicago Bears.

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But Davey and I met when he
was a first round draft pick

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to the Cincinnati Bengals.

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He was coming out of Georgia.

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He was a three time all American.

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He was an incredible defensive end,
one of the best ever in the SEC.

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And I was so lucky that we crossed
paths in Cincinnati when I was on the

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strength and conditioning staff there.

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Um, and we have remained
friends ever since.

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Davy has helped me through some
challenging times in my life.

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I would like to think I've been
there for him as well throughout

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some challenging times in his life.

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So, Davy, thank you so
much for being here today.

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David Pollack: Yeah, absolutely.

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Thanks for having me and I, and I
think obviously of people know Sam.

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Um, so it's a, it's a bigger name, but
Clif is, um, Clif is a wonderful dude.

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Um, wisdom.

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Patience.

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I mean, just, uh, always, always been
a good friend, but just a great dude.

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So anybody listening like this is,
you're getting it from both sides.

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'cause Sam's obviously a
great dude, great human.

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So this is, uh, this is a good idea.

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I'm glad you guys are doing it.

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We need more of this in the world.

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Like more men.

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We need more men to stand up and
show 'em that, hey, Jesus is cool.

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Clif Marshall: Hmm,

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David Pollack: he's the coolest person
to ever walk the face of this earth.

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And to show him what it looks like
and to model it and to show what

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it looks like when you succeed
and also how you handle failure.

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So I'm glad you guys are doing this.

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Clif Marshall: man.

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Well, we're glad you're here
with us and we are definitely

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gonna talk about Jesus today.

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We're gonna talk about some struggles.

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We're gonna talk about adversity,
we're gonna talk about pain

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and how pain has purpose.

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But before we get there,
let me just say, when I met.

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Uh, Davey as a first round
draft pick to the Bengals.

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There's a couple things that
I really remember about him.

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First and foremost, uh, was he was a
great dude to have in the weight room.

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I mean, this guy got after it, right?

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And he was super strong as well.

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I, I won't go into all his
numbers, but he was strong.

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Sam Acho: of the numbers, man.

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This dude,

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Clif Marshall: Well,

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David Pollack: I squatted
close to 700 at Georgia.

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Sam Acho: My

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Clif Marshall: what was, what was
more, what was more impressive?

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His five ten five at the NFL
combine, uh, would rival that

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of the top receiver that year.

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So Davey, would you weigh
probably 2 65 at the combine?

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David Pollack: Yeah, I was two, I
was right at two 70 in my, my, my

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three Co, no, not my three Coone.

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My 5 10, 5 was three high, three
sevens, I think, or three eights.

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Clif Marshall: Yes.

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Yes.

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David Pollack: Sam.

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I was not a fast guy.

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Like I, I had, and, and here's another
thing too for everybody that kind of

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wants to grow into being an athlete,
like when I hit puberty I started lifting

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legs, that's when I got more athletic.

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Seriously.

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Like, I got more powerful through here.

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And then I was be, I became
more and more explosive.

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So my, my five ten five and,
and my vertical and like that,

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that stuff was actually Clif.

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You'll love this.

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Samuel, you'll love this too.

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So my son's 16.

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And he ain't trying me yet, but
he's like doing it more and more.

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Uh, like he's sizing it up and thinking
about it and, and I'm trying to pour into

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him and I'm trying to get him to take
the Snickers challenge if he wants it.

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But, you know, we'll play one-on-one
basketball and he'll work out, but

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he's doing this stuff at this place
and they do this, this training.

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And he was like, I did
the broad jump today.

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And I was like, oh, sweet.

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So he's 16, he is about
six three, about two 20.

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And um, he was like,
what'd you do at combines?

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And I had the feeling like
knows what I did at combines.

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Like he

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Clif Marshall: Right, right.

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David Pollack: Dude knows
how to work a smartphone.

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And I was like, what'd you get bud?

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He was like, I got 10
feet on the broad jump.

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I was like, that's pretty good.

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He was, I was like, he was
like, he's like, what'd you get?

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And I was like, I don't really know.

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He's like, well look it up real quick.

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I was like, okay.

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So I got, I got 10 feet.

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So it was, it was fun to, it's fun to
watch, but no man, that weight room,

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dude, like, a, it's a great equalizer.

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It's, it's,

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Clif Marshall: It's

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David Pollack: Technique
matters in sports so much.

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Um, the older I get, the
more intelligence matters.

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I didn't realize that.

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I never, until I started coaching and
high school kids these last several

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years, man, I'm like, do you not see that?

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Like, how do like flash of color?

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How do you not see that?

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And it's something that
I saw, but they don't,

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Clif Marshall: mm-hmm.

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David Pollack: a lot of people don't see.

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So I think there's more, one more
than one way to be an athlete.

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And Clif didn't say that because I
walked in the, in there at six six

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with long arms and looked the part.

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I mean, I, I would argue I didn't really
look the part, but like God gives us

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different gifts that for all of us, that
we can all succeed in ways we can succeed.

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And mine was definitely my, my
legs and booty and my attitude.

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Clif Marshall: Yes, no question.

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Uh, the other thing I wanted to
mention very quickly, and I gotta

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share this, Sam, because this
does kind of tie into finances.

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So Davy comes in first round draft
pick and um, I always kind of like

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watching the vehicles that the
first round draft pick will select

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right when they're drafted, right?

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Because that paycheck, that paycheck,
that signing bonus is very, very nice.

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And so I parked in the parking
lot, uh, you know, for the

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Cincinnati Bengals players.

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But I would always park far away
and I would make my entrance, I

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would make my walk, and I would be
looking at all the vehicles, right?

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That these guys drive, and I'd see Rolls
Royce, Lamborghini, Ferrari, and all

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of a sudden I roll up on Davey Pollock,
especially the first couple weeks, and

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he's driving like a 1998 Chevy Blazer.

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It was green in color, it was all beat
up, and he drove it for a couple weeks.

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But to see him driving it like six
months later, I'm like, man, maybe he's

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gonna drive this throughout his career.

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So, Davey, why number one, do
you still have the vehicle?

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Number two, why didn't you go buy the
Rolls Royce or the, the, the Ferrari,

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like the rest of your teammates?

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David Pollack: That's my ride, man.

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Come on now.

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That was a, that, that was a good ride.

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And what Clify didn't tell you is the
passenger side door did not open the,

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the back pa right passenger door.

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I got hit, I got knocked on the road
literally by a semi I was driving

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and we, and, and he changed lanes
and hit me and just kept going.

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And I'm like, okay.

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Um, so it was kind of scary, but literally
the, um, the, the door wouldn't open.

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So we had to figure out a way to finagle
the finagle way in the other side.

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But not, I, man, I, I've
never cared about cars.

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I don't have a nice car to this day.

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I have an old raggedy truck and, um.

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It's just not something that
I've ever, I've never, never

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wanted to spend a lot of money.

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I, I don't buy new cars either.

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I'm gonna buy it used, um, because 'cause
of the, obviously when you drive it off

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the dealership, you lose so much value,
but it's just never, that's never been.

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So, listen, we got a nice house, like, and

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Clif Marshall: Mm-hmm.

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David Pollack: money on things,
but, um, you know, just cars

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never, never really done it for me.

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Sam Acho: Hmm.

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I was gonna ask about the transition.

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Uh, David, I know we got so much to
talk about, football, family, faith,

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adversity, but you started off as a
fullback and then made the switch.

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was that transition like from a position
you played to maybe a totally different

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position, uh, when you got to college?

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David Pollack: Well, it, it is funny.

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So all summer, Brian Van Gorder was my
defensive coordinator and he'd always

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see me in the weight room and he'd see me
competing in drills and, and he always,

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he was like, Hey man, like Pollock.

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And I was like, it's Pollock coach.

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And he goes.

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Poll lock, come here.

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And I was like, and, and I fixed him
enough times where finally he just, I just

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stopped fixing him 'cause he didn't do it.

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But he is like, you wanna play
defense at Georgia, don't you?

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I was like, coach y'all,
y'all put me in fullback.

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Like this is summer workouts.

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He was like, yeah, you need
to play defense poll lock.

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You need to come to the dark side.

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And I was like, care coach.

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Well, we get to spring ball and it's
because he saw me work out and compete

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and he liked the way I competed.

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We go to spring ball, uh, or
we go to, um, the summer of my

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freshman year, we go to camp.

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Everybody gets hurt at defensive tackle.

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So literally we lost
three or four D tackles.

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And so they're like, all right
poll, go to defensive tackle.

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So I went and played defensive
tackle as a freshman at, uh, Georgia.

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And then we had four guys
drafted a defensive end.

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Um, that, that year, so going
into my sophomore year, the

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qualifications needed for playing
def for defensive end at Georgia

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was breathing and being a warm body.

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So they were like, Hey, Pollock, you
know, you ain't that highly recruited.

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Go down there.

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And, um, first time I've ever
played defensive end in my life

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was at the University of Georgia.

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So, um, yeah, and I, I like to
tell people that all the time.

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I think people look at, people look at
and they go, three time All American,

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like, you must have killed it.

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I'm like, I switched three positions
in a calendar year at, on, on site,

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and, you know, I didn't care either.

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Like, I didn't, I didn't put up a fuss
because honestly all I wanted to do was

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contribute and be great wherever I was at.

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And I think that's something
for all of us, man.

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Like whatever it is, wherever you're at
there, there are very few times you're

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gonna take the elevator to the penthouse.

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Like most of the times you're
gonna have to take the stairs.

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And I had to take the stairs, man.

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And, and it was different and did play
some different positions and I had to

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work and I had to grow and take my lumps.

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George, George Foster and Matt and
Stinchcomb, Matt Stinchcomb were

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Clif Marshall: Mm-hmm.

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David Pollack: when I played
defensive end in Spring Ball.

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And I've never played it before.

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That didn't go well.

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awful.

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I was terrible.

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I was getting destroyed and I was
like, I gotta figure this out, man.

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And so, you know, really worked on
my hand placement at nauseum over

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and over and over and over again,
and continue to grow and get better.

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But like, you know, wherever
you're at, like, don't, don't,

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don't beg for a switch, don't beg.

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Like you want to go get something else,
like be great exactly where you're

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at and mandate somebody, hire you,

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Clif Marshall: Hmm.

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David Pollack: won't pass you over
like, you're so dang good man.

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They're like, wow, they're
really, really good.

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Like, I need them over here in this spot.

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And, um, so I think bring
value wherever you're at, man.

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Clif Marshall: Wow.

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That's, uh, obviously a, a, a, a different
day and age in college athletics.

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But I think the NIL and the transfer
portal, it's so easy for these kids now

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to just say, man, this isn't for me.

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I don't like where they're playing me.

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I don't like this.

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And, you know, they're running
from, and sometimes they're running

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from adversity sometimes if they're
maybe going to a better situation.

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But, you know, facing
adversity, I think, as you know.

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It makes us into the man we are today.

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And um, so with that being said, respect,
uh, for that, but obviously you had

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an incredible career at Georgia, um,
and you're drafted first round to the

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Bengals, um, and you go through training
camp and I'm able to watch that, you

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know, that transition because you went
from being a defensive end, right?

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And a four, three defense at Georgia
to being drafted to the Bengals.

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And then they're asking you to play more
of a linebacker role in standing up.

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Is that correct?

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David Pollack: Oh yeah.

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Clif Marshall: And then transitioning
to the season, I happened to be on

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the sidelines when we were playing
the Cleveland Browns, the day that

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you broke your neck and the day that
I watched them cart you off the field.

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And I guess my question for you there is
what do you remember specifically about

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that moment and when did you know that you
had played your final day on a football?

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I.

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David Pollack: Well, like I tell
people all the time, like playing

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four, three out or defensive end and
going to four, three outside linebacker

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was like moving from your parents'
basement to the like third floor.

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Like totally different.

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Like, I mean, night and day and
what you have to think about and

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you know, you don't have to think
about like there's a reason, you

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know, you play defense as it is.

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Usually defensive guys aren't as smart.

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It's sea ball, get ball, there it is.

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Go get it, right.

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Like it's, it's an easier job.

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But, so it was very difficult to learn
like multiple coverage at one time and

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indicators and all this different stuff.

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But, um, I remember everything
about it Clif, like I, I, it was.

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It was second down.

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I thought it was a pass 'cause they
ran a draw and I dropped back a

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couple steps and one of my goals was
to be a more physical or tackler.

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And this is back before you got kicked
outta games for tackling people.

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Um, so I try to, I, that was one of my
main goals and missions and I hit the

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running back and I hit 'em really hard.

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But, you know, I hit 'em with
a little bit of my, my head.

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And, um, I just remember my
legs were kicking and uh, I

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couldn't really move my arms.

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It felt like I had those really,
really horrible stingers,

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but I couldn't move my hands.

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And um, they wheel me under the tunnel
and you do an MRI right there, man.

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And you know, doctor comes out
and he is like, Hey man, you, you

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fractured your C six and C seven.

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I was like, cool.

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That's a couple weeks.

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And he is like, that
means you broke your neck.

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I was like, Ooh,

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Clif Marshall: Hmm.

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David Pollack: fractured C six C seven?

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'cause that sounds a heck of
a lot better than when you'd

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Clif Marshall: Right.

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David Pollack: neck.

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And um, know, and then it was on like,
then it was, you know, in the back of

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the ambulance with my baby doll and, um.

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What's next?

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I mean, I knew it right away.

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Like I, I know what that meant.

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Like I knew that wasn't breaking an arm.

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And, I knew the chances of playing again.

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Um, I knew it wasn't gonna be great.

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Like, I just, I just knew because, you
know, you break your neck once and, and

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you're able to move things and, and I
knew my second goal in life, my first

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goal was to pursue the NFL at, at a
breakneck pace, a hundred miles an hour,

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not taking anything less than that.

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My second goal, man, I
wanted to be a daddy.

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Like, that was my next thing, man.

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I, I wanted a bunch of kids
and I, I dreamed for the day of

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being a dad and with that really,
I knew wasn't a good thing.

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And so, um, you know, as I continued to
grow and get back healthy, obviously there

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was more decisions to make, but, but I
knew quickly that the chances weren't

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gonna be great, that I would play again.

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Sam Acho: If we could just pause
real quick to go to that moment.

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You said your wife was with you there.

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David Pollack: Oh yeah.

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Sam Acho: What,

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first, how did y'all meet?

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then second question is, what
was the moment like for her?

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David Pollack: Yeah, that's,
that's, that's a great question

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that I don't get asked very often.

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First, I met my baby
doll when she was nine.

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Okay.

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So she was super young.

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I played a a u sports with her brother.

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Um, and then I, I just played ball and
I, and I stayed outta trouble and things.

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I just didn't really have a, a
heart for going and doing things.

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And so I never really had a girlfriend.

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Like I tell people all the time, I kissed
one other girl one time and it was awful.

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And then I met, me and my baby dolls
started dating when I was a senior in

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high school, and she was a sophomore.

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um, so, but I, the thing was, I was
an old senior and she was a young

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sophomore, so I, I had just turned 18.

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She had, she was about to turn 15.

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So like, that ain't good.

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That's a lot, that's a big difference.

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Um, but we started dating man, and
like it was, was pretty instant for me.

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Like I, I, I've never felt like that.

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I, um, it's what changed my whole
life because I didn't know what love

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was and to feel it like that, like
changed the way I lived my life.

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And I think it's what led
to me accepting Christ.

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It's what led to me getting, growing
down the road because I really think she

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softened my heart to, to what love was.

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And um, so we started dating when
I was a, before I, right before I

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was my senior year in high school.

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And uh, and we got married when she
was, she was at Cincinnati, so she was a

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sophomore in college when she went to uc.

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And uh, when we went to the Bengals.

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And so that's, so we had been
married for less than a year.

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Like we had been married for a
couple of months when that happened.

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And, she is the definition
of a flat liner.

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So it's like she's cool as a cucumber
and, um, she took it in stride.

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But you talk about like.

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God's showing you something
really, really quickly.

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How about like, she thought she married
a football player, big, strong, making

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all this money, fame, all this stuff.

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She was my nurse for the next two years.

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Clif Marshall: Hmm.

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David Pollack: Like, she literally
cleaned my sights, like the halo

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goes in your skull right here.

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And she cleaned my sights every day.

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Like she had to do everything
for me for a solid four months.

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And listen, I ain't gonna argue with
the sponge baths, they weren't that bad.

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Okay.

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But like, but she had, she
didn't have a great job.

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But you talk about like seeing right
away, like God, putting someone in

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your life that's so special that
can help carry you through when

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things are really, really tough.

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It was.

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Um, so it was a unique experience
that she got by the way.

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She was, she was 18 years old,

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that was a young age to have to
go through something like that.

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Sam Acho: Hmm.

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You talked about, um, her
showing you what love was.

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How, how did she show you?

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David Pollack: Well.

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just had, uh, she had respect for people.

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She had love for people.

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Um, it didn't waver, it didn't change.

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It wasn't, um, it wasn't high, it
wasn't low, it was just steady.

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And, you know, she went to church
every week and she had the Holy Spirit.

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And that's really what the difference was.

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Like she just had a way of processing
things and treating people with so much

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respect that you just looked at it in awe.

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You were like, how do you always do that?

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Like, you're always nice,
you're always respectful.

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Like you always do the right thing.

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I tell this story all
the time to my friends.

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I'd never told it probably publicly.

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I'll never forget you talk about
my wife, like rule follower, year

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of high school, she's a sophomore.

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We go to spring break.

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There's people doing things on
the beach that I ain't gonna

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talk about in this podcast.

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Like drinking all the stuff that goes

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Clif Marshall: Right.

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David Pollack: I'd never forget we
went down to the, uh, first floor, the

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pool's down there, the hot tubs down
there, like we're gonna, the jacuzzi.

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The rope's there.

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I step over the rope step, I
jump right in the hot tub and

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she was like, we can't get in.

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I was like, why not?

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Ain't nobody here.

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She was like, it's past 10, it's 10 0 5.

00:18:37.652 --> 00:18:37.922
Like it

00:18:38.117 --> 00:18:38.507
Clif Marshall: Wow.

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David Pollack: at 10.

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I'm like, there's people on
the beach smoking pot, like,

00:18:44.312 --> 00:18:45.452
and getting obliterated.

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We can't get in the hot tub.

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She was like, I'm not getting in
the hot tub, but like, that's like,

00:18:50.012 --> 00:18:54.242
that's kind of her, you know, her
character was, you know, I will do

00:18:54.242 --> 00:18:59.282
the right thing for everyone at every
time and, and it was never changing.

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So it was really, it was just unique
and cool to see someone at that age

00:19:03.332 --> 00:19:07.502
to have that much maturity and wisdom
and, and want to do the right thing.

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It was really cool.

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Clif Marshall: Man, we talk about
marriage a lot on this podcast.

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And you know, when we say our wedding
vows, right, it's in good times

00:19:16.712 --> 00:19:19.142
and in bad till death do we part?

00:19:19.622 --> 00:19:23.252
And I think the three of us all
married, all fathers, right?

00:19:23.252 --> 00:19:24.452
All followers of Christ.

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That's the one thing that we have
to live through sometimes, right?

00:19:27.692 --> 00:19:31.412
And it could be health related, it
could be other issues that you're

00:19:31.412 --> 00:19:32.522
going through in your marriage.

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But the encouragement today is don't quit.

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Uh, don't quit your marriage.

00:19:37.592 --> 00:19:38.972
Uh, don't quit your faith.

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Like stay in the fight because
certain things are worth fighting for.

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And I believe your marriage
is certainly one of those.

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David Pollack: Hey, Clif.

00:19:47.942 --> 00:19:48.572
Clif Marshall: Yes.

00:19:48.572 --> 00:19:51.752
David Pollack: And to that point here,
here's what, here's what we gotta

00:19:51.752 --> 00:19:53.192
do a better job with our country.

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We gotta take divorce off the table.

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Clif Marshall: Mm-hmm.

00:19:57.902 --> 00:19:58.382
Yes.

00:19:58.742 --> 00:20:00.782
David Pollack: for richer, for
poor, for better or for worse.

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Like that.

00:20:01.982 --> 00:20:03.392
This is my ride or die.

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This is not, if it doesn't
work, we just do it again, like.

00:20:07.532 --> 00:20:11.072
I tell, I make sure my wife knows
all the time like, you are my girl.

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Like there is no other, like, no matter
what we go through, no matter how hard

00:20:15.062 --> 00:20:18.752
it gets, no matter how many times I
mess up or you mess up like you are

00:20:18.752 --> 00:20:22.472
my wife, like there is no, pull the
parachute and go get another one.

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Clif Marshall: Mm-hmm.

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David Pollack: if we took divorce off the
table, we'd fight a heck of a lot harder.

00:20:27.047 --> 00:20:27.467
Clif Marshall: Mm-hmm.

00:20:27.662 --> 00:20:30.332
David Pollack: accept some of these
things that are struggles and some

00:20:30.332 --> 00:20:31.202
of these things that are hard.

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We'd be like, you know what?

00:20:32.282 --> 00:20:34.112
It's hard, but I'll make it through.

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Clif Marshall: Mm-hmm.

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David Pollack: if it's
hard, I can quit like that.

00:20:37.412 --> 00:20:39.392
That would change divorce so much.

00:20:39.392 --> 00:20:43.172
If we would just say, Hey, this is my ride
or die, and when I take this commitment,

00:20:43.172 --> 00:20:45.092
I'm entering a covenant with this woman.

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Like this is not something that I can just
change when we get in a fight, like we're

00:20:49.232 --> 00:20:50.822
gonna figure this out no matter what.

00:20:50.822 --> 00:20:53.372
Ups, downs, you know,
rights, wrongs, whatever.

00:20:54.362 --> 00:20:57.962
Sam Acho: David, why do you think
people, why do you think people

00:20:58.142 --> 00:21:00.902
don't take marriage as seriously?

00:21:02.747 --> 00:21:05.837
David Pollack: Well, I think it's now
been modeled for, for generations that

00:21:05.837 --> 00:21:07.487
you're, it's okay to get divorced.

00:21:07.577 --> 00:21:12.137
It's, it's socially acceptable and
like, oh, that, well, they did this.

00:21:12.137 --> 00:21:14.117
I'm gonna do this and I'm gonna take off.

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And I think that, I think we've gone
through so many genera and now the divorce

00:21:17.177 --> 00:21:21.047
rate's over 50%, so that means over 50%
of people are quitting on their marriage.

00:21:21.827 --> 00:21:23.507
I mean, it's, that's high, man.

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That's a, that's a lot.

00:21:24.917 --> 00:21:26.207
I, I think people don't understand that.

00:21:26.207 --> 00:21:30.257
Like this, again, I didn't use, you
entered a marriage, I said a covenant.

00:21:30.632 --> 00:21:32.732
You in a covenant with God and your wife.

00:21:32.762 --> 00:21:36.272
Like this is not a like, just
a piece of paper that I signed.

00:21:36.512 --> 00:21:37.862
Like this is much bigger than that.

00:21:37.922 --> 00:21:39.992
If you read the Bible, this
is much bigger than that.

00:21:40.142 --> 00:21:41.342
Like this is a big deal.

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I, I get the opportunity now to build
this relationship to become one flesh.

00:21:45.602 --> 00:21:48.452
Like I'm telling you right now with
my life and what we're going through

00:21:48.452 --> 00:21:50.227
right now with some of the stuff that
I'm sure we'll get to in a little

00:21:50.227 --> 00:21:54.092
bit, like Genesis one, it talks
about like giving you a partner.

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Like it ain't easy.

00:21:56.612 --> 00:21:57.842
It's gonna be hard.

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Like, but we again, the, the,
the quitting, we've seen it quit.

00:22:01.352 --> 00:22:05.252
We, we see, we see the way people,
spouses talk to each other and

00:22:05.252 --> 00:22:06.662
get away with it and it's okay.

00:22:06.662 --> 00:22:10.712
And we've seen, and now I think the
number one problem is the number one

00:22:10.712 --> 00:22:12.932
problem nowadays is the kids rule.

00:22:12.932 --> 00:22:14.042
The household, the

00:22:14.172 --> 00:22:14.392
Clif Marshall: Hmm.

00:22:14.462 --> 00:22:15.302
David Pollack: take priority.

00:22:15.932 --> 00:22:19.922
And, and here's the thing, when you,
when you go to the hospital and your

00:22:19.922 --> 00:22:23.522
wife has that baby and you leave the
hospital when you get cleared, whether

00:22:23.522 --> 00:22:26.042
you're ready or not, 'cause we weren't
ready, but they gave us the baby anyways.

00:22:26.342 --> 00:22:29.672
When you leave the hospital,
the baby goes where.

00:22:31.202 --> 00:22:32.282
In the back seat.

00:22:33.782 --> 00:22:35.072
Mama rides shotgun.

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And that's where mama stays.

00:22:37.577 --> 00:22:38.177
Clif Marshall: Right.

00:22:39.332 --> 00:22:41.732
David Pollack: Mama rides shotgun with me.

00:22:41.852 --> 00:22:44.162
Me and her are riding
and driving this ship.

00:22:44.372 --> 00:22:45.152
Not the baby.

00:22:45.152 --> 00:22:46.652
The baby joins us.

00:22:46.652 --> 00:22:51.422
They join our family and, and you see
so much where the kids get this and

00:22:51.422 --> 00:22:54.752
the kids get that and the schedules
are pushing us this way and this way,

00:22:54.782 --> 00:22:56.372
and we're dividing and conquering.

00:22:56.372 --> 00:22:58.982
That's not what we're
trying to accomplish.

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We're doing this together.

00:23:00.482 --> 00:23:02.912
Like, but it, but it's,
it's you and your spouse.

00:23:02.912 --> 00:23:07.712
Fir God comes first, your spouse
comes next, your kids come next.

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And I think when we mess up that
order, I think marriage gets jacked up.

00:23:11.432 --> 00:23:12.782
And I think you see more divorce.

00:23:13.242 --> 00:23:13.462
Sam Acho: Hmm.

00:23:14.267 --> 00:23:17.837
David, you, um, and Clif, I know
we got some, we got some questions,

00:23:17.837 --> 00:23:19.097
but I do want to hit on this.

00:23:19.457 --> 00:23:22.342
Uh, just recently there's been
some news that's been shared.

00:23:22.342 --> 00:23:24.222
You've shared it publicly and, but I.

00:23:25.127 --> 00:23:28.607
like for you to talk us through,
before you post it on Instagram, the

00:23:28.607 --> 00:23:29.867
tweet about praying for your wife.

00:23:29.867 --> 00:23:35.507
Like talk us through kind of what
your last few weeks have looked like.

00:23:36.587 --> 00:23:41.417
David Pollack: Well, I don't, um, I don't
share personal stuff on social media.

00:23:41.447 --> 00:23:46.277
I'm not a personal, I don't, I don't
share, my kids' wins, my kids' losses.

00:23:46.277 --> 00:23:48.737
Like, I just don't, that's
just, I don't share my wife.

00:23:48.737 --> 00:23:53.867
I just, I've always kept that separate
And, um, and, and, and will continue to.

00:23:53.867 --> 00:23:57.437
But like, you know, a couple months
ago, like, uh, shoot, about six months

00:23:57.437 --> 00:23:59.267
ago we got diagnosed with brain cancer.

00:23:59.447 --> 00:24:02.237
And my wife, my baby doll got it.

00:24:02.237 --> 00:24:06.407
And um, so we knew she has a tumor in her
brain and we gotta do something about it.

00:24:06.407 --> 00:24:11.447
And um, so we know surgery's coming up
and here, here's what I know, prayer

00:24:11.447 --> 00:24:15.857
works and I've seen it and I've felt
it and I've seen it change lives.

00:24:15.857 --> 00:24:16.517
And I'm like, all right.

00:24:16.937 --> 00:24:18.977
I said, baby doll I'mma put
this out 'cause I want as many

00:24:18.977 --> 00:24:20.447
people praying as possible.

00:24:20.717 --> 00:24:23.597
And I knew it would reach
more people if we put it out.

00:24:23.597 --> 00:24:26.747
And so, you know, able to put it
out and just share like, yeah, my

00:24:26.747 --> 00:24:29.567
wife's dealing with this and you
know, we're fighting through this.

00:24:29.567 --> 00:24:31.927
And so, um, shared that.

00:24:31.927 --> 00:24:36.197
But the coolest thing was we had surgery
at Duke and it was, it was unbelievable.

00:24:36.197 --> 00:24:36.737
It was awesome.

00:24:36.737 --> 00:24:40.697
Everything's going great, but so when
you have surgery on the frontal lobe,

00:24:40.697 --> 00:24:44.927
which is where her cancer was, her tumor,
was, it, it affects your left side.

00:24:45.497 --> 00:24:49.667
So I posted the video of her
after surgery, and Sam and Clif,

00:24:50.147 --> 00:24:51.947
like goodness of God is her song.

00:24:51.947 --> 00:24:53.987
That's her jam, that's
our anthem right now too,

00:24:54.122 --> 00:24:54.242
Clif Marshall: Hmm.

00:24:54.347 --> 00:24:54.887
David Pollack: our family.

00:24:55.247 --> 00:24:58.247
But like, my wife couldn't
move her left hand at all.

00:24:58.307 --> 00:25:02.477
And she, she still, she spent 45
minutes the other day like fixing

00:25:02.477 --> 00:25:05.837
a padding in a bathing suit because
her coordination is just not there.

00:25:05.837 --> 00:25:08.177
And, and so it's just, you
know, it's, it's a struggle.

00:25:08.177 --> 00:25:08.807
It's hard.

00:25:09.077 --> 00:25:13.337
And so, but after surgery, I played
goodness of God in the hotel or

00:25:13.337 --> 00:25:14.617
in the, uh, in the operating room.

00:25:15.167 --> 00:25:17.207
And her hands went straight up.

00:25:17.892 --> 00:25:18.222
Clif Marshall: Wow.

00:25:18.222 --> 00:25:21.782
David Pollack: Both hands, her left hand,
she, she barely, she couldn't do that

00:25:21.782 --> 00:25:23.552
for the next four or five, six days.

00:25:23.732 --> 00:25:23.942
Like,

00:25:24.182 --> 00:25:24.752
Clif Marshall: Wow.

00:25:24.842 --> 00:25:27.092
David Pollack: that, the
spirit wouldn't be denied.

00:25:27.302 --> 00:25:27.962
That was the

00:25:27.977 --> 00:25:28.197
Clif Marshall: my,

00:25:28.492 --> 00:25:29.282
David Pollack: thing ever, man.

00:25:29.282 --> 00:25:31.412
Like I was, I was in tears.

00:25:31.412 --> 00:25:34.832
So just, um, you know, we, we've
been walking through it, man.

00:25:35.042 --> 00:25:38.042
We, God, God provides, you
know, God's gonna allow these

00:25:38.042 --> 00:25:39.362
storms to happen in our lives.

00:25:39.362 --> 00:25:43.712
And, and we're going through one, and
I'll be honest, man, this is, is by

00:25:43.712 --> 00:25:46.502
far the hardest thing I've ever been
to gimme the broken neck right now.

00:25:46.742 --> 00:25:47.912
Like, in a heartbeat.

00:25:47.972 --> 00:25:49.142
Like in a heartbeat.

00:25:49.232 --> 00:25:53.492
Um, 'cause here's the
thing, like I, I'm the man.

00:25:53.492 --> 00:25:56.342
I can, I feel like I can handle
it, you know, it's, it's mine, but

00:25:56.702 --> 00:25:58.262
like, I can't fix my baby doll.

00:25:58.562 --> 00:25:59.672
And that sucks.

00:25:59.702 --> 00:26:00.542
Like, it's hard.

00:26:00.542 --> 00:26:01.562
It's really hard.

00:26:01.922 --> 00:26:05.252
And, um, so like I've, I've
had to realize, man, like

00:26:05.582 --> 00:26:07.352
she's God's before, she's mine.

00:26:07.592 --> 00:26:12.632
And all I can do is, you know, show up
with a great attitude and serve and pray.

00:26:12.632 --> 00:26:12.662
I.

00:26:13.022 --> 00:26:15.812
And, um, we've been walking through
it, man, and we've been experiencing,

00:26:15.812 --> 00:26:18.812
we've experienced some good and
some bad and some ups and some

00:26:18.812 --> 00:26:21.572
downs, and we'll take some steps
forward and take some steps back.

00:26:21.572 --> 00:26:26.552
But, um, to see her struggle and, you
know, I tell her all the time, I'm

00:26:26.552 --> 00:26:27.962
like, you're making this look easy.

00:26:28.262 --> 00:26:32.462
Like, she just constantly has such,
it's, it's the same girl that I just

00:26:32.462 --> 00:26:33.662
told you about not too long ago.

00:26:33.902 --> 00:26:34.832
She has joy.

00:26:35.132 --> 00:26:40.112
Like, she just, the, the first part of it
when we came out, like it took a second

00:26:40.112 --> 00:26:43.502
to answer questions and, you know, it
took a second to calculate and calibrate

00:26:43.502 --> 00:26:46.592
and then, you know, we're trying to
do the next thing and the next thing.

00:26:46.592 --> 00:26:49.472
And there's, you know, there's always
something that, that, that we're

00:26:49.472 --> 00:26:52.952
fighting, that we're going through,
that we're trying to, to conquer.

00:26:52.952 --> 00:26:55.862
But here's the, the main thing
that I've learned, Sam, to your

00:26:55.862 --> 00:27:01.952
question, I've always, you know,
I've always leaned on God, but I've

00:27:01.952 --> 00:27:03.932
always kind of been strong enough.

00:27:04.742 --> 00:27:07.292
I've had, I, God gave me broad
shoulders and I've had a lot of

00:27:07.292 --> 00:27:08.222
adversity we could go through.

00:27:08.222 --> 00:27:08.972
I got a lot of it.

00:27:08.972 --> 00:27:10.742
Like I've had a, a heaping fool.

00:27:10.772 --> 00:27:11.732
I've had a bunch of it.

00:27:12.557 --> 00:27:14.237
And, and, but I'm okay.

00:27:14.297 --> 00:27:17.627
Like I can handle it and I can
lean on God, but I, but I say

00:27:17.627 --> 00:27:20.597
that like this, I, I can't do it.

00:27:21.077 --> 00:27:24.407
Like, I can't, like I can't carry this.

00:27:24.407 --> 00:27:28.187
Like at my kids and I'm like, this
is the hardest thing I've ever done.

00:27:28.187 --> 00:27:30.077
I don't have the capacity to do this.

00:27:30.077 --> 00:27:31.517
Like, I need y'all's help.

00:27:31.517 --> 00:27:32.627
I need y'all's grace.

00:27:33.017 --> 00:27:35.687
And I was like, and if I, I gotta
strap on the armor every day.

00:27:35.777 --> 00:27:36.947
Like, I gotta pray.

00:27:37.187 --> 00:27:39.767
I gotta read, I gotta get my mind right.

00:27:39.857 --> 00:27:43.577
Like, because I'm not strong enough
to walk through it, otherwise I'm

00:27:43.577 --> 00:27:44.927
not just gonna push through this.

00:27:44.927 --> 00:27:48.077
Like, it just doesn't happen
because, you know, taking on new

00:27:48.077 --> 00:27:52.337
responsibilities with things around
the house and like, I used to bring

00:27:52.337 --> 00:27:54.617
the fun, like that used to be my job.

00:27:54.617 --> 00:27:56.957
Like, I, I'm coming home from
something and I'm like, I'm

00:27:56.957 --> 00:27:59.147
gonna create a memory that's, I'm
always purposeful with my kids.

00:27:59.147 --> 00:28:00.647
I'm like, how do I
create a memory tonight?

00:28:00.647 --> 00:28:02.867
Like, I'm gonna do something
that's gonna create something

00:28:02.867 --> 00:28:03.977
that they're never gonna forget.

00:28:04.667 --> 00:28:08.897
you've cooked and cleaned and done laundry
and like organizing this, that, and

00:28:08.897 --> 00:28:10.907
the other, you're like, I'm exhausted.

00:28:11.792 --> 00:28:12.962
you're taking care of my baby doll.

00:28:12.962 --> 00:28:15.482
Like I don't have the capacity
to also have fun, you know,

00:28:15.482 --> 00:28:17.102
like to, to bring Joyce.

00:28:17.102 --> 00:28:19.922
But, but when I get on that treadmill and
I start walking and I start closing my

00:28:19.922 --> 00:28:23.342
eyes and I start praying and I ask God
to help me bring joy, I can bring joy.

00:28:23.582 --> 00:28:23.912
That's the

00:28:23.927 --> 00:28:24.147
Clif Marshall: Hmm.

00:28:24.272 --> 00:28:25.772
David Pollack: that's the
only way I can get through it.

00:28:25.772 --> 00:28:31.112
So it's been, um, it's been challenging,
but it's been, uh, it's been rewarding

00:28:31.112 --> 00:28:34.352
because God continues to show up
all through it and, and to be in it.

00:28:35.507 --> 00:28:38.147
Clif Marshall: Davey, let
me go back to this again.

00:28:38.152 --> 00:28:41.567
The, the marriage vows in
good times and bad till death.

00:28:41.567 --> 00:28:43.757
Do we park, how about this?

00:28:43.787 --> 00:28:48.527
As we talked and opened the show, talking
about you breaking your neck and then

00:28:48.617 --> 00:28:54.467
your baby doll, your wife is riding in
the ambulance with you to the hospital

00:28:54.647 --> 00:28:59.777
and then she literally served you for
the months that would follow that.

00:29:00.557 --> 00:29:05.567
And now it's come full circle to now where
she's going through her own issue, right?

00:29:06.797 --> 00:29:08.207
And now you're serving her.

00:29:08.237 --> 00:29:14.207
Like, to me that is a beautiful picture of
what marriage is supposed to be all about.

00:29:14.807 --> 00:29:20.237
And I again, respect you, man because of
what you're doing and how you're doing it.

00:29:20.237 --> 00:29:24.287
And just know that it is a, uh, trial.

00:29:25.067 --> 00:29:29.207
God is gonna use it to bring
honor and glory and so many

00:29:29.207 --> 00:29:30.407
people are gonna grow through it.

00:29:30.407 --> 00:29:34.997
You know, I say this all the
time, God doesn't cause pain, but

00:29:34.997 --> 00:29:37.697
he can use pain for his purpose.

00:29:38.087 --> 00:29:42.197
And I know he is, uh, using you guys right
now in the season of life that you're in

00:29:42.587 --> 00:29:44.567
to bring hope to so many other people.

00:29:44.892 --> 00:29:47.532
David Pollack: Well, it's not,
it's not me, but it's he that

00:29:47.532 --> 00:29:49.032
continues to, to get us through it.

00:29:49.032 --> 00:29:50.562
But it, it is cool.

00:29:50.562 --> 00:29:52.062
It's 20 years later, you

00:29:52.102 --> 00:29:52.322
Clif Marshall: Hmm.

00:29:52.572 --> 00:29:55.122
David Pollack: year anniversary's
coming up with, with, with my neck.

00:29:55.512 --> 00:29:56.427
Um, I.

00:29:56.427 --> 00:30:00.167
Like, you know, here's, here's
another thing too for like, imagine

00:30:00.167 --> 00:30:03.887
being in a car and we're driving
down the road, I think God's gonna

00:30:03.887 --> 00:30:05.387
navigate us through some potholes.

00:30:05.687 --> 00:30:07.907
Like, there's some things
God's gonna take you around,

00:30:08.512 --> 00:30:08.592
Clif Marshall: Hmm.

00:30:08.687 --> 00:30:11.867
David Pollack: but there are some things
God can only take you through, and

00:30:11.867 --> 00:30:13.367
it's the only way you're gonna learn.

00:30:13.757 --> 00:30:17.267
And I think we get to the point
where we get, we can handle it.

00:30:17.327 --> 00:30:20.267
We got this, we got this, and we
put it on auto autopilot, autopilot.

00:30:20.267 --> 00:30:23.087
And I, I got this, I can do this,
my schedule, I'm doing this.

00:30:23.357 --> 00:30:24.527
And then we have these storms.

00:30:24.527 --> 00:30:27.857
Man, we're just reminded like
the, the DeMar Hamlin situation.

00:30:28.067 --> 00:30:30.947
Like, I will never forget that moment.

00:30:31.127 --> 00:30:32.777
Like nobody's gonna forget that moment.

00:30:32.807 --> 00:30:33.227
Why?

00:30:33.407 --> 00:30:34.367
Because what does the bible says?

00:30:34.367 --> 00:30:37.907
The Bible says all knees will bow.

00:30:39.257 --> 00:30:39.767
Right?

00:30:40.427 --> 00:30:45.587
When, when these big, strong
strapping gladiator warriors.

00:30:46.097 --> 00:30:50.957
Bro, they got hit with some realness and
what happened, man, they were on their

00:30:50.957 --> 00:30:55.937
knees praying because they knew they had
no the answers, but they were like, holy

00:30:55.937 --> 00:30:58.127
cow, God, like, you're bigger than this.

00:30:58.157 --> 00:30:59.117
You can handle it.

00:30:59.207 --> 00:31:03.947
And I think, going through those
moments, those trials, bro, you

00:31:03.947 --> 00:31:05.417
come out the other side so much.

00:31:05.417 --> 00:31:08.837
But the neck, the neck injury
made me a better husband.

00:31:10.007 --> 00:31:11.927
The neck injury made me a better dad.

00:31:11.927 --> 00:31:13.427
It made me a better friend.

00:31:13.577 --> 00:31:17.447
Like it took, it, it, it helped me
realize like what was really important.

00:31:17.447 --> 00:31:19.517
The Bible says, be still
and know that I am God.

00:31:19.787 --> 00:31:21.227
I didn't do that before my neck.

00:31:21.677 --> 00:31:23.147
I, I was busy, busy, busy.

00:31:23.147 --> 00:31:24.017
Go, go, go.

00:31:24.137 --> 00:31:26.777
Yeah, I'll get some time in with
Jesus and, and I'll talk to you

00:31:26.777 --> 00:31:30.167
God, like when it's convenient,
like, you know, right now I'm busy.

00:31:30.437 --> 00:31:32.807
There ain't a relationship in
the world that exists like that.

00:31:32.807 --> 00:31:35.357
If you have a girlfriend that
you just plug into when you think

00:31:35.357 --> 00:31:37.637
it's necessary, you ain't gonna
have a girlfriend very long.

00:31:37.932 --> 00:31:38.352
Clif Marshall: Mm-hmm.

00:31:38.387 --> 00:31:39.377
David Pollack: not have a relationship.

00:31:39.377 --> 00:31:40.457
That relationship will not exist.

00:31:40.817 --> 00:31:42.137
God wants you to plug in, man.

00:31:42.257 --> 00:31:43.757
God wants you to invite him into his day.

00:31:43.757 --> 00:31:45.167
God wants you to, and listen.

00:31:45.872 --> 00:31:47.252
It's not always easy.

00:31:47.432 --> 00:31:49.622
And I say this all the time
to people because I want

00:31:49.622 --> 00:31:50.912
people to understand prayer's.

00:31:50.912 --> 00:31:51.452
Weird.

00:31:51.572 --> 00:31:52.412
It's awkward.

00:31:52.412 --> 00:31:54.302
It can be different, it can be repetitive.

00:31:54.302 --> 00:31:56.012
Like I don't know what to say.

00:31:56.342 --> 00:31:58.112
But here's the thing, like,
here's what I've learned.

00:31:58.232 --> 00:32:00.722
When you sit down, man,
just use a couple of Rs.

00:32:00.782 --> 00:32:01.442
Reflect,

00:32:02.252 --> 00:32:02.332
Clif Marshall: Hmm.

00:32:02.492 --> 00:32:04.142
David Pollack: reflect
on my day right now.

00:32:04.202 --> 00:32:06.302
Like reflect on, okay, where am I at?

00:32:06.632 --> 00:32:07.742
Where, where did I succeed?

00:32:07.742 --> 00:32:08.552
Where did I win?

00:32:08.822 --> 00:32:09.752
What happened?

00:32:09.812 --> 00:32:11.072
Oh, yesterday I went to Easter.

00:32:11.162 --> 00:32:13.892
Thank you Jesus, for allowing me to
go to church with my mom and daddy.

00:32:14.042 --> 00:32:16.322
Like thank you for having mom and
daddies that I can spend time with.

00:32:16.502 --> 00:32:19.862
Like if you reflect, we stay in the
moment and it becomes easier to pray.

00:32:20.042 --> 00:32:21.362
Repent is the next r.

00:32:22.162 --> 00:32:22.242
Clif Marshall: Hmm.

00:32:22.472 --> 00:32:23.852
David Pollack: God to forgive
you for some of those things

00:32:23.852 --> 00:32:25.022
that we continue to mess up.

00:32:25.052 --> 00:32:28.412
Like if you ask him in it and you take
him to it, he will, he will fix 'em.

00:32:28.532 --> 00:32:31.232
He will start to work on those
things and then repurpose.

00:32:31.232 --> 00:32:32.162
So it's three Rs.

00:32:32.402 --> 00:32:32.732
Like,

00:32:32.962 --> 00:32:33.042
Clif Marshall: Hmm.

00:32:33.332 --> 00:32:36.602
David Pollack: my life, God, like,
invite God into all the meetings,

00:32:36.662 --> 00:32:41.042
invite God into all the decision making
processes so he can, so that purpose

00:32:41.072 --> 00:32:43.322
is his, so that purpose is ours.

00:32:43.382 --> 00:32:46.922
'cause he's given us these different
gifts and qualities and things so

00:32:46.922 --> 00:32:50.402
that we can walk out our purpose
and we can walk out in the best way

00:32:50.402 --> 00:32:52.292
ours, but we do have to do our job.

00:32:52.502 --> 00:32:56.222
And that means getting still, that
means getting in the word like that

00:32:56.222 --> 00:32:58.232
means finding time to get in his house.

00:32:58.232 --> 00:33:02.192
And I think when we do those things, man,
when we're forced to slow down and we're

00:33:02.192 --> 00:33:07.112
forced to kind of experience some pain,
man, you're like, all right, I got you.

00:33:07.202 --> 00:33:07.742
I get it.

00:33:07.742 --> 00:33:10.502
Like, I know I, I, I've been
doing this on my own a little bit.

00:33:10.502 --> 00:33:12.002
Like, need you.

00:33:12.212 --> 00:33:12.482
Right?

00:33:13.477 --> 00:33:13.827
Clif Marshall: Right.

00:33:13.892 --> 00:33:15.182
David Pollack: you to,
to get through this.

00:33:15.182 --> 00:33:18.032
And then I think it helps us
to walk in, you know, the great

00:33:18.032 --> 00:33:19.442
things that he has for us.

00:33:20.307 --> 00:33:22.892
Sam Acho: David, you talked about
this being the right around the

00:33:22.892 --> 00:33:27.812
20 year anniversary between your
situation and your wife's situation.

00:33:29.042 --> 00:33:32.372
What have you learned
in the last 20 years?

00:33:34.127 --> 00:33:35.657
David Pollack: Oh, we don't
have a long enough podcast.

00:33:35.927 --> 00:33:41.657
Um, you know, I, I've learned
a lot about relationships.

00:33:41.657 --> 00:33:45.167
You've learned a lot about living,
um, you've learned a lot about

00:33:45.377 --> 00:33:47.387
making money, having success.

00:33:47.387 --> 00:33:49.367
Like you learn so much about it, man.

00:33:49.367 --> 00:33:53.297
But I think in the end, what it really
boils down to is just like when I married

00:33:53.297 --> 00:33:56.837
that little, little girl, you know,
years, 20 years, 20 years ago in May.

00:33:56.837 --> 00:34:00.097
Like, all that matters is the love.

00:34:00.737 --> 00:34:02.987
All that matters is loving
God and loving people.

00:34:03.107 --> 00:34:04.727
All that matters is the simple things.

00:34:04.727 --> 00:34:07.697
It's not, it's not where you
want travel around the world.

00:34:07.697 --> 00:34:09.167
It's not what you want to build.

00:34:09.167 --> 00:34:09.817
It's not what you want.

00:34:09.817 --> 00:34:12.659
to Buy like, it's about
your relationships, man.

00:34:12.659 --> 00:34:13.779
It's about making a difference.

00:34:13.877 --> 00:34:15.797
And, and, and I, I'm gonna
keep praying this prayer.

00:34:15.797 --> 00:34:19.367
I keep praying the three A's to
God, anytime, anywhere, anything.

00:34:20.267 --> 00:34:24.347
And I've used the word challenge
and, and I don't, like, I I, I've

00:34:24.347 --> 00:34:26.747
caught myself when I've, I was
like, God, I challenge you anytime.

00:34:26.747 --> 00:34:28.157
And I was like, all right,
lemme take that back.

00:34:28.157 --> 00:34:34.097
Like, I'm not, I'm wrong words God,
but like, know, I've, I've been, I've

00:34:34.097 --> 00:34:39.047
had success in different realms, but
I know now, man, like I'm gonna chase

00:34:39.047 --> 00:34:41.237
what I think God wants me to do.

00:34:41.477 --> 00:34:41.927
And that's

00:34:42.077 --> 00:34:42.157
Clif Marshall: Hmm.

00:34:42.707 --> 00:34:43.547
David Pollack: that's not money.

00:34:43.547 --> 00:34:46.397
And that might not be the fame, and it
might not be some of the stuff that I've

00:34:46.397 --> 00:34:49.607
been able to do, but like, I get to coach
high school football right now, bro.

00:34:49.607 --> 00:34:55.397
You talk about Sam, I get a hundred
plus kids a year, like every single year

00:34:55.637 --> 00:34:57.917
that I get to shape that, I get to mold.

00:34:58.097 --> 00:34:59.477
Like we've never won a state championship.

00:34:59.477 --> 00:35:00.917
We won our first state
championship last year.

00:35:00.947 --> 00:35:03.047
Like, you just watch and you're like, God.

00:35:03.227 --> 00:35:03.737
Yep.

00:35:04.787 --> 00:35:08.897
speaking, I, I spoke at tons of places
all over the place now at churches and FCA

00:35:08.897 --> 00:35:11.177
and men's group and I just, I love it man.

00:35:11.177 --> 00:35:13.607
I love to be able to challenge,
to motivate, to inspire and

00:35:13.607 --> 00:35:15.257
to use my story for his glory.

00:35:15.257 --> 00:35:17.207
And so I think that's the.

00:35:17.612 --> 00:35:19.202
Those three A's is what I've learned, man.

00:35:19.202 --> 00:35:24.932
Like anytime, any place, anything and,
and living for God, like kick those

00:35:24.932 --> 00:35:28.592
doors open, Lord, and shut the mess
out of 'em when they need to be shut.

00:35:28.592 --> 00:35:32.342
And, and so, um, I don't, I, and
again, I, I think that means I

00:35:32.342 --> 00:35:33.392
don't know what it looks like.

00:35:33.517 --> 00:35:38.102
I, I don't, don't have a, I don't
have these next year plans, like,

00:35:38.102 --> 00:35:39.122
especially with my baby doll.

00:35:39.122 --> 00:35:41.882
Like, you talk about living
day to day now, like it's a,

00:35:42.452 --> 00:35:43.682
it's a different life, man.

00:35:43.682 --> 00:35:46.832
Like, we're not, you know, we're,
we're, we're not trying to book trips.

00:35:47.072 --> 00:35:49.562
You know, we're trying to, we'd
love to get outta the house today.

00:35:49.982 --> 00:35:50.822
Like, that would be great.

00:35:50.822 --> 00:35:53.792
Like if me and her can go for
a walk, like that's a win.

00:35:54.242 --> 00:35:58.532
And, and I think those, those
struggles and those challenges,

00:35:58.592 --> 00:36:01.622
you know, they, they remind you of
what's really, really important.

00:36:01.892 --> 00:36:04.592
And what's really important is to
be able to live the life that God

00:36:04.592 --> 00:36:08.282
wants us to live and to influence and
inspire and pour into our kids and

00:36:08.282 --> 00:36:09.842
pour into the next, next generation.

00:36:11.867 --> 00:36:15.467
Clif Marshall: Hey, uh, David,
you mentioned a Bible verse

00:36:15.467 --> 00:36:16.967
from Psalms just a while ago.

00:36:17.297 --> 00:36:19.727
It says To be still
and know that I am God.

00:36:19.817 --> 00:36:24.227
And I just think, um, you know, obviously
you've had to do that throughout your

00:36:24.227 --> 00:36:25.937
career, especially with the broke neck.

00:36:25.937 --> 00:36:30.257
You're having to do that again right
now with your wife's situation, um,

00:36:30.257 --> 00:36:31.667
and what Lindsay's going through.

00:36:31.672 --> 00:36:38.267
But I also, um, the one word that comes
to my mind, and this is my one word

00:36:38.267 --> 00:36:44.027
that I chose for 2025, and that word
is yeah, I'm doing the John Gordon.

00:36:44.297 --> 00:36:46.127
And so the one word is surrender.

00:36:46.817 --> 00:36:52.037
So I did this with our IU basketball
team and our optional chapel this

00:36:52.037 --> 00:36:55.247
year where every player would
choose their one word, right?

00:36:55.757 --> 00:36:58.937
And, um, there's a test that
you can take and it'll help

00:36:58.937 --> 00:37:00.437
determine what your one word is.

00:37:00.437 --> 00:37:02.987
And so my one word was surrender, right?

00:37:03.557 --> 00:37:08.477
And so even in my life right now,
as I'm no longer employed by the

00:37:08.477 --> 00:37:12.467
university, uh, by Indiana University,
men's basketball as a strength and

00:37:12.467 --> 00:37:18.497
conditioning coach, it's like I'm having
to surrender every single day, right?

00:37:18.917 --> 00:37:23.447
My plans, uh, the future,
what that may look like.

00:37:23.562 --> 00:37:25.697
And you guys are doing
the exact same thing.

00:37:25.697 --> 00:37:30.197
So when you think of surrendering to
God, what does that look like for you?

00:37:31.262 --> 00:37:35.672
David Pollack: Well, I think we,
I think we, I think we're more

00:37:35.672 --> 00:37:37.622
inclined to surrender piece by piece.

00:37:37.772 --> 00:37:43.982
You know, like this thing, maybe
not the whole thing at one time.

00:37:43.982 --> 00:37:47.192
And I think that's what you,
you kinda learn like, hey, like,

00:37:47.192 --> 00:37:49.652
God, I want to give this to you
and I want to give this to you.

00:37:49.652 --> 00:37:54.392
But like, true surrender is, is really,
really hard to do, like really hard to do.

00:37:54.452 --> 00:37:58.322
And, you know, some of the stuffs that
we've done, I'm like, I'm like al,

00:37:58.322 --> 00:38:03.152
like God can't put more in, in our
hands right here if we got 'em closed.

00:38:03.887 --> 00:38:04.007
Clif Marshall: Hmm.

00:38:04.472 --> 00:38:05.612
David Pollack: Like we
gotta have 'em open.

00:38:06.327 --> 00:38:06.547
Clif Marshall: Wow.

00:38:06.662 --> 00:38:07.292
David Pollack: more in.

00:38:07.352 --> 00:38:08.942
But that means we gotta
give it away, right?

00:38:08.942 --> 00:38:13.112
That means it's gotta go and it, and
so I think it, it's a great word.

00:38:13.112 --> 00:38:16.772
And we do have to surrender and we do
have to give up because it ain't ours.

00:38:17.457 --> 00:38:17.577
Clif Marshall: Hmm.

00:38:18.122 --> 00:38:20.792
David Pollack: All this crap and
all these things, it ain't ours.

00:38:20.852 --> 00:38:22.712
Like do realize that, right?

00:38:22.712 --> 00:38:25.832
Like, we're gonna go and we're gonna
live and we're gonna, when we die,

00:38:25.922 --> 00:38:27.482
none of this stuff's gonna be ours.

00:38:27.932 --> 00:38:28.262
Clif Marshall: Right.

00:38:28.382 --> 00:38:32.252
David Pollack: of our stuff, all
of our things, all these things

00:38:32.252 --> 00:38:35.252
that we've accumulated all over the
years and the money, it ain't ours.

00:38:35.552 --> 00:38:37.562
Like that's not a legacy.

00:38:37.802 --> 00:38:42.212
Leaving a house full of, of stuff
and a hou, a hou a couple of houses

00:38:42.212 --> 00:38:44.252
for my kids, that's not legacy.

00:38:44.402 --> 00:38:47.072
Legacy is what I leave in my kids.

00:38:47.522 --> 00:38:48.572
That's a legacy.

00:38:48.992 --> 00:38:52.232
Not what I leave them, it's
what I leave right in here.

00:38:52.892 --> 00:38:53.112
Clif Marshall: Wow.

00:38:53.582 --> 00:38:56.852
David Pollack: I think learning
to, to daily surrender.

00:38:56.912 --> 00:38:59.132
Learning to pick up the cross
daily, isn't that what the

00:38:59.222 --> 00:38:59.642
Clif Marshall: Mm-hmm.

00:38:59.982 --> 00:39:00.402
Mm-hmm.

00:39:00.422 --> 00:39:01.382
David Pollack: the cross daily.

00:39:01.532 --> 00:39:05.552
And, and I was actually reading, and
it's, this is totally side note, but

00:39:05.552 --> 00:39:10.502
like Simon of Serene is mentioned in the
Bible and it's in Mark and it's a tiny

00:39:10.502 --> 00:39:14.522
verse, like it is one verse and is the
only time this dude is mentioned and

00:39:14.522 --> 00:39:15.992
it's in, uh, Matthew, mark, and Luke.

00:39:16.172 --> 00:39:20.372
And I was reading in Mark and it says
again, Jesus had just been beaten

00:39:20.492 --> 00:39:24.632
and put on the purple robe and mocked
and you know, the crown of thorns and

00:39:24.632 --> 00:39:25.982
he couldn't carry the cross anymore.

00:39:25.982 --> 00:39:29.852
And the Simon of Cyrene guy, they just
said, Hey man, up the cross and carry it.

00:39:30.767 --> 00:39:30.847
Clif Marshall: Hmm.

00:39:30.872 --> 00:39:30.992
David Pollack: it.

00:39:30.992 --> 00:39:32.732
It's the only time he is
mentioned in the whole Bible.

00:39:33.602 --> 00:39:34.172
That's it.

00:39:34.862 --> 00:39:36.902
I, I've read it a million times,
but it's never clicked to me.

00:39:36.992 --> 00:39:37.712
But guess what?

00:39:38.102 --> 00:39:39.182
You know what's gonna happen in life?

00:39:39.182 --> 00:39:42.422
We're gonna be forced to carry
across that we didn't deserve.

00:39:43.237 --> 00:39:43.317
Clif Marshall: Hmm.

00:39:43.577 --> 00:39:45.047
David Pollack: He didn't
deserve to carry that cross.

00:39:45.287 --> 00:39:46.787
I love too, he mentions two things.

00:39:46.937 --> 00:39:50.057
His two kids, he mentions both of his
sons that are, that are there beside him.

00:39:50.147 --> 00:39:50.897
Why did he mention that?

00:39:51.017 --> 00:39:53.957
Because we're also gonna be forced
to carry a cross that isn't ours.

00:39:54.227 --> 00:39:55.127
And our kids are watching.

00:39:56.132 --> 00:39:56.582
Clif Marshall: Hmm.

00:39:57.017 --> 00:39:57.947
David Pollack: They're
gonna be watching us.

00:39:58.367 --> 00:39:59.747
How are we gonna carry this cross?

00:39:59.837 --> 00:40:00.707
How are we gonna do it?

00:40:00.887 --> 00:40:02.387
Are we gonna pick up our cross daily?

00:40:02.387 --> 00:40:03.167
Are we gonna surrender?

00:40:03.347 --> 00:40:07.637
Another thing too, though, every time
we pick up that cross though, when,

00:40:07.637 --> 00:40:12.047
uh, when Simon and Serene picked
up that cross, what was on it, the

00:40:12.047 --> 00:40:13.337
blood of Jesus was on that thing.

00:40:14.417 --> 00:40:18.077
Every time you pick up that cross
and you go through those hard things

00:40:18.197 --> 00:40:21.227
and the blood of Jesus is right
there with you, like he's right

00:40:21.337 --> 00:40:21.557
Clif Marshall: Wow.

00:40:21.587 --> 00:40:22.337
David Pollack: you going through it.

00:40:22.337 --> 00:40:27.707
So I think daily surrender Clif,
like I I, my word this year is joy,

00:40:28.487 --> 00:40:28.567
Clif Marshall: Hmm.

00:40:29.297 --> 00:40:32.507
David Pollack: Finding joy
like in every circumstance.

00:40:32.567 --> 00:40:34.907
And no matter what it
is, like finding joy.

00:40:34.937 --> 00:40:37.487
'cause the older we get, the
less, the more curmudgeony,

00:40:37.487 --> 00:40:38.567
the more we get off my lawn.

00:40:38.567 --> 00:40:40.727
We get like, we don't relate to our kids.

00:40:40.727 --> 00:40:43.667
I got 16 and a 14-year-old and
they're like aliens sometimes

00:40:43.667 --> 00:40:45.947
I'm like, are so stupid.

00:40:46.097 --> 00:40:47.207
Like, what are we talking about here?

00:40:47.207 --> 00:40:47.957
Wasting our time.

00:40:47.957 --> 00:40:52.967
Then I'm like, God, like give me eyes
to see them through their eyes so I,

00:40:53.207 --> 00:40:57.227
not so I can change them, but, so I
can best lead them and equip them.

00:40:57.227 --> 00:40:59.777
Like, 'cause I, and I have
to constantly pray that.

00:40:59.777 --> 00:41:05.447
But but how do you get joy putting it in
the correct context of the word Jesus.

00:41:05.507 --> 00:41:06.047
Clif Marshall: Jesus.

00:41:06.257 --> 00:41:07.067
Others, you.

00:41:07.187 --> 00:41:08.597
David Pollack: joy by putting Jesus first.

00:41:08.717 --> 00:41:10.937
You put other second, you put you third.

00:41:11.387 --> 00:41:11.747
Clif Marshall: Hmm.

00:41:11.807 --> 00:41:16.157
David Pollack: you right now, I'm getting
a heap and spoonful of that and, and,

00:41:16.637 --> 00:41:20.117
and I need it because so many times
during my wife's situation I'm like,

00:41:20.117 --> 00:41:21.527
God, I gotta do this, I gotta do this.

00:41:21.527 --> 00:41:23.372
I'm like, you selfish butthole.

00:41:24.227 --> 00:41:27.167
Like, you're really gonna
complain about doing this.

00:41:27.167 --> 00:41:28.637
Like you get to do this.

00:41:28.817 --> 00:41:31.847
Like, I get to be here with my
baby doll and walk through this.

00:41:31.907 --> 00:41:36.557
And it's hard and it's difficult,
but like, man, it's, I, I told

00:41:36.557 --> 00:41:38.927
her, I was like, I just love
that we get to do this together.

00:41:39.197 --> 00:41:42.347
Like whether it's the throw up and
the trash cans and it's the, the

00:41:42.497 --> 00:41:45.317
passing out and whatever, like, we've
been through some stuff that ain't

00:41:45.317 --> 00:41:48.167
been fun, but I'm like, you know how
much fun it is to do this together?

00:41:48.227 --> 00:41:48.707
I'm like, well, I

00:41:48.752 --> 00:41:49.112
Clif Marshall: Mm,

00:41:49.247 --> 00:41:49.637
David Pollack: baby doll.

00:41:49.637 --> 00:41:51.197
Like, this is awesome.

00:41:51.197 --> 00:41:53.417
And that's, that's the
word for me, has been joy.

00:41:54.182 --> 00:41:54.662
Clif Marshall: joy.

00:41:55.052 --> 00:41:55.532
Wow.

00:41:56.312 --> 00:41:56.942
Sam Acho: Uh,

00:42:00.452 --> 00:42:06.267
what do you want your kids
to see as you love your wife?

00:42:06.647 --> 00:42:06.767
David Pollack: Huh.

00:42:09.317 --> 00:42:12.737
I think that's the, you know,
be careful what you pray for.

00:42:12.737 --> 00:42:14.327
Me and my wife have
prayed for a long time.

00:42:14.327 --> 00:42:18.407
Like, how do we, how do we do,
how do we bring hard to our kids?

00:42:19.097 --> 00:42:21.707
they don't do a lot of hard, they
have, we've talked about this

00:42:21.707 --> 00:42:23.087
since our kids were so little.

00:42:23.087 --> 00:42:25.607
I remember so many late trips coming
back and different things, and they're

00:42:25.607 --> 00:42:27.587
just like, how do we bring in struggle?

00:42:27.617 --> 00:42:29.297
'cause they don't struggle for much.

00:42:29.297 --> 00:42:30.377
They get what they want.

00:42:31.307 --> 00:42:34.847
um, I think that's what's cool
about this situation for us, man.

00:42:34.847 --> 00:42:37.067
Like this is forging
their own fire, right?

00:42:37.067 --> 00:42:40.337
Like this is, this is so great for
them because they're gonna have to lean

00:42:40.337 --> 00:42:44.207
on their faith and they're gonna have
to realize like, life is a vapor man.

00:42:44.267 --> 00:42:46.127
Like, we ain't guaranteed tomorrow.

00:42:46.187 --> 00:42:49.577
And we really, like, I'll never forget
Sam, this is the going right here.

00:42:49.577 --> 00:42:51.647
My, my baby girl called me.

00:42:51.707 --> 00:42:52.997
I was in Duke still with my wife.

00:42:52.997 --> 00:42:56.927
We were recovering from surgery she
called me and she was, she was upset man.

00:42:56.927 --> 00:43:00.587
And she's, she's the, she's the spitting
image of me in every way, shape or form.

00:43:01.037 --> 00:43:05.477
But her mommy's her person and uh,
she was like, daddy tonight at church.

00:43:05.507 --> 00:43:07.937
They were talking and she was
like, the girls were complaining

00:43:07.937 --> 00:43:10.997
about basketball and the girls were
complaining about flag football and

00:43:10.997 --> 00:43:14.927
the girls were complaining about school
and she was like, has brain cancer.

00:43:15.887 --> 00:43:17.927
She was like, I don't care about that.

00:43:18.257 --> 00:43:19.487
Like, I don't care
about any of that stuff.

00:43:19.487 --> 00:43:20.447
And I was like, listen.

00:43:20.627 --> 00:43:22.097
I said, here's what's awesome, baby.

00:43:22.157 --> 00:43:23.117
Here's the gift.

00:43:23.387 --> 00:43:27.197
I said, God's given you a gift
now that you will see when other

00:43:27.197 --> 00:43:28.667
people are going through hard times.

00:43:28.727 --> 00:43:31.337
And you will understand that,
and you'll get to jump into their

00:43:31.337 --> 00:43:33.257
problems and you'll get to help them.

00:43:33.317 --> 00:43:35.807
Like he's giving you eyes to see that.

00:43:35.807 --> 00:43:36.887
Like what a gift.

00:43:37.097 --> 00:43:38.237
Like how awesome is that?

00:43:38.237 --> 00:43:42.377
But like, so walking them through, you
know, this And like, we were at the

00:43:42.377 --> 00:43:46.457
beach, you know, a couple weeks ago and
week we were at the beach last week.

00:43:46.712 --> 00:43:48.617
And, and my wife, you know,
she was feeling better.

00:43:48.617 --> 00:43:50.507
And so she was getting up and
she was moving around more.

00:43:50.507 --> 00:43:53.777
And you know, my son's playing video
games in the living room and you know,

00:43:53.777 --> 00:43:59.507
she, she fainted and she went out and she
went down and you get to see that, right?

00:43:59.507 --> 00:44:02.087
Like picking her back up,
like getting her back too.

00:44:02.087 --> 00:44:06.107
And so I think like just, I, I
think they, first of all, before

00:44:06.107 --> 00:44:08.987
this ever happened, I, I wanted
them to see like, that's my girl.

00:44:09.857 --> 00:44:11.747
That is my girl.

00:44:11.777 --> 00:44:15.467
Like if your mommy tells me to, and we've
said this for years, and she laughs when

00:44:15.467 --> 00:44:18.557
she says it, but like if she tells me
to go to Oregon to pick up a truck, I

00:44:18.557 --> 00:44:20.537
don't need to know why I'm gonna do it.

00:44:20.927 --> 00:44:21.887
I don't give a crap.

00:44:21.977 --> 00:44:24.947
Like she tells me to do something,
something needs to be done.

00:44:25.007 --> 00:44:25.607
I'm gonna do it.

00:44:25.667 --> 00:44:29.297
And I think, so I've always understood
and appreciate when I walked in

00:44:29.297 --> 00:44:32.267
the house from traveling, 'cause I
traveled so many years from work, I

00:44:32.267 --> 00:44:35.027
made sure, man, I went right to mommy.

00:44:35.867 --> 00:44:37.337
Like, did my kids beat me?

00:44:37.337 --> 00:44:37.637
Yes.

00:44:37.637 --> 00:44:40.547
Sometimes they beat me to the door,
but I'm like, hold on, like, let

00:44:40.547 --> 00:44:41.357
me, let me tell you something.

00:44:41.357 --> 00:44:42.647
That's my girl right there now.

00:44:42.737 --> 00:44:46.427
Like, and I asked, used to ask Lee all
the time when she was little, little, and

00:44:46.427 --> 00:44:47.627
I was just like, who's, who's number one?

00:44:47.627 --> 00:44:48.137
She's like me.

00:44:48.137 --> 00:44:49.457
I was like, no, no, no, no.

00:44:50.117 --> 00:44:52.037
was like, she was here before you.

00:44:52.157 --> 00:44:53.537
She gonna be here after you.

00:44:53.567 --> 00:44:56.027
Like, that's my girl,
that's my number one.

00:44:56.027 --> 00:45:00.917
So I, I mean, I want them to see a, them
to see a relationship that like when they,

00:45:00.917 --> 00:45:02.297
when they get married, like they, yeah.

00:45:02.297 --> 00:45:03.557
They realize like their spouse.

00:45:03.557 --> 00:45:05.177
Man, that's a big priority, dude.

00:45:05.237 --> 00:45:06.287
Like not friends.

00:45:06.572 --> 00:45:11.072
Not this, that, and the other things
like this is, this is about her.

00:45:11.072 --> 00:45:12.872
And that's always gonna look different.

00:45:12.877 --> 00:45:15.002
And, and right now it looks a
lot different in our household,

00:45:15.002 --> 00:45:20.072
but, um, you know, whatever it
looks like I'm there, you know?

00:45:20.072 --> 00:45:21.422
And that's, that's what
we wanted to realize.

00:45:21.422 --> 00:45:26.642
Like hard, easy, um, agreement,
disagreement, whatever that looks like.

00:45:26.642 --> 00:45:27.482
Like it's us.

00:45:27.572 --> 00:45:28.652
Like it's me and you.

00:45:28.682 --> 00:45:31.562
It's, and that's another thing too,
don't argue in front of your kids, man.

00:45:31.562 --> 00:45:34.112
Like, don't, don't have
different belief points.

00:45:34.112 --> 00:45:36.932
Like if your husband says something
and, and your wife says something, it's

00:45:36.932 --> 00:45:38.312
the stupidest thing you've ever heard.

00:45:38.522 --> 00:45:41.132
When your kids ask you, you're like,
yes, that's what your mommy said.

00:45:41.372 --> 00:45:43.652
And then, then you go in the
room and you're like, what?

00:45:43.862 --> 00:45:44.702
Like, what are we talking about?

00:45:44.702 --> 00:45:45.812
Like, we've done that a lot in our house.

00:45:45.812 --> 00:45:46.202
Trust me.

00:45:46.202 --> 00:45:47.582
Like I've gone in the room
and I've been like, babe, what

00:45:47.582 --> 00:45:48.332
are we, what are we doing?

00:45:48.332 --> 00:45:53.132
Like, I, I would prefer not to do that,
but like in front of each other, man,

00:45:53.132 --> 00:45:56.672
we're a united front and we're showing
you like we're, this is what we do.

00:45:56.702 --> 00:45:58.172
We are together in every single thing.

00:45:58.172 --> 00:45:59.072
'cause we don't want cracks.

00:45:59.072 --> 00:46:00.932
'cause they, they, they're
master manipulators.

00:46:01.142 --> 00:46:03.092
Trust me, I got a 16 and 14-year-old like.

00:46:03.947 --> 00:46:06.647
getting to the age now where
they know exactly how to go to

00:46:06.647 --> 00:46:08.117
which one, and we're like, Nope.

00:46:08.147 --> 00:46:08.987
We're this together.

00:46:09.047 --> 00:46:10.247
Like, what, what did your mommy say?

00:46:10.307 --> 00:46:10.547
Okay.

00:46:10.547 --> 00:46:11.087
That's what I say.

00:46:11.147 --> 00:46:11.687
Same thing.

00:46:13.182 --> 00:46:17.807
Sam Acho: Uh, you talked about the days.

00:46:18.212 --> 00:46:21.782
When I think about vacations, I'm, I'm
like, I'm just trying to get to today.

00:46:21.782 --> 00:46:25.847
What does today look
like for you and Lindsay?

00:46:27.197 --> 00:46:28.512
David Pollack: Well, today's been good.

00:46:28.877 --> 00:46:32.957
Um, you know, she looked at me
today and she was like, um, she

00:46:32.957 --> 00:46:35.537
goes, Hey, can I, can I drive?

00:46:36.617 --> 00:46:41.687
And you know, she's, so we we're at
six weeks on Wednesday from surgery,

00:46:41.837 --> 00:46:43.997
and she's done amazingly well for her.

00:46:43.997 --> 00:46:46.727
But like, you know, like we,
we've, we've been walking for the,

00:46:46.727 --> 00:46:48.347
for the last four or five weeks.

00:46:48.347 --> 00:46:52.067
Like, we walk a couple miles a
day, um, at least once a day.

00:46:52.067 --> 00:46:53.717
Like we're getting out and
doing, and doing, doing.

00:46:54.587 --> 00:46:54.977
um.

00:46:55.607 --> 00:46:59.087
I just remember, I'll never forget,
man, I was in my halo and my wife was

00:46:59.087 --> 00:47:02.147
student teaching in Cincinnati, and
I'll never come, I'll never forget,

00:47:02.147 --> 00:47:05.027
she'd come home and I'm like, babe,
it all, I just need to see some trees.

00:47:05.807 --> 00:47:09.377
Like, I don't care where we go, I just
need to get in the car and go somewhere.

00:47:09.437 --> 00:47:10.877
And I remember that being in my halo.

00:47:10.877 --> 00:47:13.217
And so I was like, I
was like, let's do it.

00:47:13.487 --> 00:47:14.417
You know, like, let's do it.

00:47:14.417 --> 00:47:17.027
So, you know, she drove
and she felt great.

00:47:17.027 --> 00:47:18.917
Like, she, she went really, really slow.

00:47:18.977 --> 00:47:19.997
I mean, it wasn't the same.

00:47:19.997 --> 00:47:23.717
And like, you know, her reaction time
obviously is not what it, what it was.

00:47:23.717 --> 00:47:26.777
And, but I, I just, I think
the independence is so good,

00:47:26.837 --> 00:47:29.927
you know, and being able to do
something like that for yourself.

00:47:29.927 --> 00:47:31.607
But she's, she's definitely
getting to the point now.

00:47:31.637 --> 00:47:37.577
Like, she texted me earlier in the
week, earlier last week, and she

00:47:37.577 --> 00:47:39.047
was like, Hey, I was, I was gone.

00:47:39.047 --> 00:47:41.147
I was coming back and she was
like, Hey, I just did laundry.

00:47:41.147 --> 00:47:42.677
And she was like, I'm exhausted.

00:47:42.737 --> 00:47:43.727
Like I'm gonna take a nap.

00:47:43.847 --> 00:47:47.567
And I was like, okay, this, this is the
girl that used to walk an hour a day.

00:47:48.002 --> 00:47:50.942
Elliptical, 30 minutes a day,
lift weights 30 minutes a day.

00:47:50.942 --> 00:47:53.072
So she's like, go, go, go.

00:47:53.942 --> 00:47:55.112
then the next day she was laughing.

00:47:55.112 --> 00:47:56.612
She was like, my ribs are sore.

00:47:56.612 --> 00:47:57.302
I was like, from what?

00:47:57.302 --> 00:48:00.047
She goes And I was like, wow.

00:48:00.187 --> 00:48:06.392
So I mean, like, I, I, I mean it's, it's
a lot of, um, it's a lot of joy, man.

00:48:06.392 --> 00:48:09.302
There really is like, but now, like
we got our golf tournament, our

00:48:09.302 --> 00:48:13.562
annual golf tournament coming up
on, um, on five, five Cinco de Mayo,

00:48:14.012 --> 00:48:15.632
and this is our ninth year doing it.

00:48:15.632 --> 00:48:16.922
And so there's a lot of coordination.

00:48:16.922 --> 00:48:18.422
And my, and my baby doll does it all.

00:48:18.422 --> 00:48:19.172
She always does

00:48:19.187 --> 00:48:19.407
Clif Marshall: Mm.

00:48:20.012 --> 00:48:21.782
David Pollack: She looked
at me like two weeks ago.

00:48:21.782 --> 00:48:25.352
She was like, I don't have a
single item for the silent auction.

00:48:25.352 --> 00:48:26.642
I was like, oh, crap.

00:48:26.642 --> 00:48:27.842
I was like, okay, we'll get it.

00:48:27.842 --> 00:48:30.932
And then today she texted me with
something else, and so now we're kind of

00:48:30.932 --> 00:48:33.062
going through, you know, that stuff, but.

00:48:33.782 --> 00:48:36.062
We're progressing now to the
point where it's really cool

00:48:36.062 --> 00:48:38.192
and the independence is growing.

00:48:38.192 --> 00:48:41.647
Now listen, we, we grew in independence
and then we, when we had the, the

00:48:41.672 --> 00:48:44.102
pass out in the kitchen, I'm like, all
right, you lost a little independence.

00:48:44.102 --> 00:48:45.392
She was like, that's fine, I get it.

00:48:45.392 --> 00:48:47.702
I was like, I was like, you're gonna
have a big Native American wherever

00:48:47.702 --> 00:48:49.772
you go now for a little while,
and you're gonna be holding on my

00:48:50.012 --> 00:48:50.522
Clif Marshall: Alright.

00:48:50.762 --> 00:48:53.822
David Pollack: like, we went to the, uh,
basketball banquet as a team, and, um,

00:48:53.882 --> 00:48:55.322
she's standing up with everybody stand.

00:48:55.322 --> 00:48:57.272
I was, and I wheeled a chair
right underneath her, just a

00:48:57.272 --> 00:48:58.472
chair, and I was like, sit down.

00:48:58.472 --> 00:49:00.362
She's like, seriously,
I look like an idiot.

00:49:00.362 --> 00:49:01.562
I'm like, I don't really care.

00:49:01.592 --> 00:49:02.492
We ain't passing out again.

00:49:02.492 --> 00:49:03.512
Like, we're not hitting our nogging.

00:49:03.572 --> 00:49:07.712
So, um, it's a lot of joy, but
like, literally, it's, it's kind

00:49:07.712 --> 00:49:10.712
of cool, Sam, because you don't
really know what it's gonna be.

00:49:11.072 --> 00:49:14.432
You know, like some days,
some days you think like, oh,

00:49:14.432 --> 00:49:15.422
we're gonna be hyperactive.

00:49:15.422 --> 00:49:16.082
Go, go, go.

00:49:16.082 --> 00:49:19.232
And we might do this around the house
and, and walk, walk a couple miles,

00:49:19.232 --> 00:49:20.342
and then some days you're like, nah.

00:49:20.402 --> 00:49:22.442
Like I, I'm not, walking.

00:49:22.502 --> 00:49:23.432
Like, I don't wanna do that.

00:49:23.432 --> 00:49:26.312
So we, we've had, we've had
some cool mornings, man.

00:49:26.612 --> 00:49:30.332
So we ate breakfast for a couple,
for a couple, three or four,

00:49:30.542 --> 00:49:32.252
five days in a row at 2:30 AM.

00:49:33.272 --> 00:49:33.352
Clif Marshall: Hmm.

00:49:33.917 --> 00:49:35.567
David Pollack: She literally
woke up middle of the night.

00:49:35.567 --> 00:49:38.357
She was, she had problems throwing up
for a while, and then she had problems

00:49:38.357 --> 00:49:40.967
being restless through the night,
and she was like, I'm really hungry.

00:49:40.967 --> 00:49:42.407
I was like, let's go have some breakfast.

00:49:42.707 --> 00:49:43.367
So we'd go out there.

00:49:43.367 --> 00:49:45.827
I made her avocado toast or
eggs or whatever, and we'd eat

00:49:46.217 --> 00:49:49.007
breakfast from two 30 in the morning
till three 30 in the morning.

00:49:49.007 --> 00:49:52.097
Then I would be crossing, we'd be
like, all right, can we take a nap now?

00:49:52.457 --> 00:49:53.387
Like, yeah, let's do it.

00:49:55.362 --> 00:49:55.902
Clif Marshall: Wow.

00:49:55.962 --> 00:49:56.652
Uh, Davey.

00:49:56.652 --> 00:50:00.102
I wanted to, uh, quickly share a
bible verse that, uh, that I've

00:50:00.102 --> 00:50:04.212
kinda lived out, um, as a coach,
strength and conditioning coach.

00:50:04.812 --> 00:50:06.942
And it's Proverbs 27 17.

00:50:06.942 --> 00:50:12.372
It says, as iron sharpens iron, so
one man sharpens another, and I met

00:50:12.372 --> 00:50:17.832
you in 2006, but in 2007 I left and
became a performance director at a

00:50:17.832 --> 00:50:19.992
facility in Cincinnati called Ignition.

00:50:20.622 --> 00:50:23.322
And that bible verse
was, was up on our wall.

00:50:23.652 --> 00:50:27.372
And you walked through those doors
and you certainly sharpened me and the

00:50:27.372 --> 00:50:31.122
rest of our staff and every athlete
that was working out in that facility.

00:50:31.752 --> 00:50:37.722
Um, my question to you is, how
important is it to have men of

00:50:37.722 --> 00:50:42.192
character in your life, and also who
are those men in your life right now?

00:50:43.202 --> 00:50:44.642
David Pollack: It's, it's not debatable.

00:50:45.272 --> 00:50:48.362
It's, it's, it's not a negotiable.

00:50:48.512 --> 00:50:53.312
Like you have to have accountability
If the greatest person ever

00:50:53.312 --> 00:50:54.542
to walk this earth, Jesus.

00:50:55.307 --> 00:50:56.357
Didn't do it himself.

00:50:56.387 --> 00:50:57.557
You ain't doing it yourself.

00:50:57.737 --> 00:50:59.177
You're not gonna be able to survive.

00:50:59.327 --> 00:51:01.757
Like Jesus went through and
picked a bunch of folks, right?

00:51:01.757 --> 00:51:04.007
He picked his 12 and
said, come on, let's go.

00:51:04.097 --> 00:51:08.357
Like, and I think it's so important to
find different groups of, of ages too.

00:51:08.357 --> 00:51:12.077
Like somebody that you're pouring into,
somebody that's pouring into you, right?

00:51:12.077 --> 00:51:15.617
Like the Paul, the Timothy, like
the Barbi, like having Barnabas,

00:51:15.617 --> 00:51:18.347
having those, like somebody
pouring into you, you pouring into

00:51:18.347 --> 00:51:19.877
somebody else different stages.

00:51:19.877 --> 00:51:24.527
Like it's, it's impossible to do life
successfully without accountability.

00:51:24.677 --> 00:51:28.187
Like your job isn't as good,
your walk isn't as good,

00:51:28.277 --> 00:51:29.897
your workouts aren't as good.

00:51:30.077 --> 00:51:31.337
Like there's nothing about it.

00:51:31.337 --> 00:51:33.467
Like we, we need that accountability.

00:51:33.467 --> 00:51:34.097
We need that.

00:51:34.097 --> 00:51:35.507
Our iron sharpening iron.

00:51:35.537 --> 00:51:40.157
And um, you know, I get it from my
baby doll usually first and foremost.

00:51:40.157 --> 00:51:40.277
And

00:51:40.402 --> 00:51:40.822
Clif Marshall: Mm-hmm.

00:51:40.877 --> 00:51:42.737
David Pollack: out, she'll call
me the carpet, she'll tell me, I'm

00:51:42.737 --> 00:51:44.177
not doing this, I'm not doing that.

00:51:44.432 --> 00:51:47.702
Um, I have a, we have a small group,
which is one of the best things

00:51:47.912 --> 00:51:49.712
we've ever joined in a church.

00:51:49.712 --> 00:51:52.952
And then we start, we have a small group
in our house once a week, and we go

00:51:52.952 --> 00:51:55.832
over the different topics and we talk
about what's going on in our lives.

00:51:55.832 --> 00:51:59.402
Because again, Jesus didn't have
church on d Jesus didn't have

00:51:59.402 --> 00:52:00.512
church on Sunday with his guys.

00:52:00.512 --> 00:52:02.102
And like, all right, y'all
have fun, have a good week.

00:52:02.462 --> 00:52:03.482
That's not what it looked like.

00:52:03.602 --> 00:52:06.662
That's not what following Jesus looked
like, following Jesus looked like,

00:52:06.662 --> 00:52:11.552
okay, story time breaking into groups,
talking more about it, walking it

00:52:11.552 --> 00:52:14.912
out, going to another de destination,
talking to new people about it.

00:52:14.912 --> 00:52:19.052
So I think, you know, being able to have
those accountability partners, you know, I

00:52:19.052 --> 00:52:20.792
go walk with, with a couple of my buddies.

00:52:20.792 --> 00:52:24.332
I, I say walk, we play golf, but
I walk and they, and we walk.

00:52:24.752 --> 00:52:28.052
'cause I don't love golf that
much, but I love talking and, and

00:52:28.052 --> 00:52:29.372
I love talking about our kids.

00:52:29.372 --> 00:52:32.942
And, um, one of my buddies, Russ Tanner,
he was my roommate at Georgia too.

00:52:32.942 --> 00:52:34.322
One of my roommates like.

00:52:34.982 --> 00:52:38.882
We'll go walk one day a week at
the track and we'll walk four miles

00:52:38.882 --> 00:52:40.172
with a weighted vest and stuff.

00:52:40.412 --> 00:52:43.172
But it's, it's either his day to bring
the word or my day to bring the word

00:52:43.352 --> 00:52:47.012
and we'll talk about it for, you know,
for an hour plus, and just talk about

00:52:47.012 --> 00:52:48.122
what's going on in our lives, man.

00:52:48.122 --> 00:52:52.052
It's just, you know, like when you have
something in your heart or something

00:52:52.052 --> 00:52:56.102
that's, you know, even something that's
dark, like when you bring it to the light,

00:52:56.852 --> 00:52:57.332
Clif Marshall: Mm-hmm.

00:52:57.542 --> 00:52:58.052
David Pollack: anymore.

00:52:58.232 --> 00:53:00.932
And so having those people, man,
that you can walk through life with

00:53:00.932 --> 00:53:02.132
that will hold you accountable.

00:53:02.132 --> 00:53:04.442
And, and I, I would challenge
people with this too.

00:53:04.622 --> 00:53:06.662
My wife came home from a Bible
study a couple years ago and

00:53:06.662 --> 00:53:07.862
she was laughing her head off.

00:53:07.862 --> 00:53:09.032
She thought it was the
funniest thing ever.

00:53:09.032 --> 00:53:10.352
I'm like, what are you laughing at?

00:53:10.592 --> 00:53:11.882
She's like, I can't stop laughing.

00:53:12.062 --> 00:53:15.002
We went over the biblical definition
of a peacemaker and I was like,

00:53:15.002 --> 00:53:15.902
okay, well why is that funny?

00:53:16.682 --> 00:53:18.572
She said, 'cause you're a peacemaker.

00:53:18.632 --> 00:53:22.952
And she just started giggling and
like, I am very content and very,

00:53:22.982 --> 00:53:26.012
I'm very okay being the person that's
gonna say something that's not gonna

00:53:26.012 --> 00:53:28.532
make you feel good, going to help you.

00:53:28.952 --> 00:53:32.222
My ultimate goal is to help you,
is to bring peace to your life.

00:53:32.252 --> 00:53:34.262
Now, I didn't say it like
that before she said this.

00:53:34.442 --> 00:53:35.642
She was like, I'm a peace faker.

00:53:36.002 --> 00:53:36.932
You're a peace maker.

00:53:37.112 --> 00:53:37.382
Like,

00:53:38.002 --> 00:53:38.222
Clif Marshall: Wow.

00:53:38.402 --> 00:53:40.982
David Pollack: like there, there's not a
friend in your life that's a real friend,

00:53:41.132 --> 00:53:43.682
that you're gonna say something, Hey man,
you shouldn't talk to your wife like that.

00:53:44.942 --> 00:53:46.292
Hey man, you stepped
outta line right there.

00:53:46.352 --> 00:53:48.122
Like you shouldn't, you
shouldn't have said that.

00:53:48.122 --> 00:53:49.052
You shouldn't have done that.

00:53:49.232 --> 00:53:50.282
Hey, are you doing this?

00:53:50.552 --> 00:53:52.322
Like, if I don't show up to
church for a couple day, for a

00:53:52.322 --> 00:53:53.882
couple weeks, I'm gonna get a text

00:53:54.082 --> 00:53:54.502
Clif Marshall: Mm-hmm.

00:53:54.872 --> 00:53:55.772
David Pollack: I'm leading small group.

00:53:55.772 --> 00:53:57.812
The accountability with
that small group is amazing.

00:53:58.022 --> 00:54:01.172
Like again, continue to grow in
your different levels of faith.

00:54:01.172 --> 00:54:04.022
When you have to lead, like you have
to have a command over something, you

00:54:04.022 --> 00:54:05.432
have to learn it at a different level.

00:54:05.432 --> 00:54:07.112
You're held to a different accountability.

00:54:07.112 --> 00:54:10.742
So I think having people to go
through the word with is huge.

00:54:10.892 --> 00:54:12.572
Having people to go
through life with that.

00:54:12.572 --> 00:54:15.152
You say, listen, if you see
something like that, man, I

00:54:15.152 --> 00:54:16.202
want you to hold me accountable.

00:54:16.262 --> 00:54:20.852
And um, man, I've Clif, I've survived
because of people in my life that

00:54:21.002 --> 00:54:22.502
Reese Davis was that on game day.

00:54:22.982 --> 00:54:24.182
Reese Davis in a heartbeat.

00:54:24.182 --> 00:54:27.032
We would absolutely, um,
do that for each other.

00:54:27.032 --> 00:54:28.292
Talk about being on the road.

00:54:28.292 --> 00:54:31.232
Talk about let's make sure that we're
not in spots we shouldn't be in.

00:54:31.442 --> 00:54:33.332
Let's make sure we're not doing
things we shouldn't be in.

00:54:33.332 --> 00:54:35.522
And I think that is, it was huge, man.

00:54:35.522 --> 00:54:38.432
That iron will sharpen and you
will grow and we'll get better.

00:54:38.432 --> 00:54:42.002
But you can slip fast without
somebody being there to say,

00:54:42.182 --> 00:54:44.792
Hey, don't forget you're this,
this is why you're doing this.

00:54:45.857 --> 00:54:49.667
Clif Marshall: You know, uh,
as part of that, my pastor once

00:54:49.667 --> 00:54:54.527
shared with me, he said, Clif,
the devil wants you to isolate.

00:54:55.487 --> 00:54:57.557
But God wants you to insulate.

00:54:58.607 --> 00:55:01.997
And so that may be my
Clif note today, actually.

00:55:02.057 --> 00:55:05.117
Uh, Sam, the devil wants you to isolate.

00:55:05.537 --> 00:55:06.977
God wants you to insulate.

00:55:06.977 --> 00:55:10.067
The devil wants you to isolate because
that's where he can attack you.

00:55:10.157 --> 00:55:13.577
When you're vulnerable and you're
by yourself and you're in the dark,

00:55:14.027 --> 00:55:19.847
however, when you're around good
man, good people, friends who are

00:55:19.847 --> 00:55:24.017
gonna hold you accountable, that
insulation is gonna protect you.

00:55:24.017 --> 00:55:25.667
And that's what we need, I
think, in our day to day life.

00:55:26.117 --> 00:55:26.477
Right.

00:55:26.597 --> 00:55:26.897
Let's,

00:55:27.227 --> 00:55:28.427
David Pollack: in my name, there I am.

00:55:28.847 --> 00:55:29.507
Clif Marshall: that's true.

00:55:30.287 --> 00:55:33.317
David Pollack: it's, it's the,
the accountability all of it.

00:55:33.317 --> 00:55:34.637
It is, it is necessary.

00:55:34.637 --> 00:55:36.797
It's important for, for
every walk of your life.

00:55:38.342 --> 00:55:42.272
Sam Acho: Well, David, you know, Clif
loves to kind of end with his Clif note.

00:55:42.602 --> 00:55:46.802
Uh, I love to ask the question,
love to ask the question, and my

00:55:46.802 --> 00:55:51.782
question for you is this, uh, how
do you win without losing it all?

00:55:53.687 --> 00:55:55.332
David Pollack: How do you
win without losing at all?

00:55:55.772 --> 00:55:56.732
Sam Acho: Without losing it all?

00:55:56.732 --> 00:56:01.322
You've seen a lot of successes
on TV in sports, marriage.

00:56:01.322 --> 00:56:01.927
You've seen failures.

00:56:02.612 --> 00:56:06.122
On tv, in sports, in
marriage, even in finances.

00:56:06.542 --> 00:56:08.857
How do you win without losing at all?

00:56:10.362 --> 00:56:12.317
David Pollack: Well, I think
we win the ultimate prize.

00:56:12.677 --> 00:56:14.627
You know when you, when you get
up, when you get up to the pearly

00:56:14.627 --> 00:56:17.837
gates and it says, you know,
why do you deserve to be here?

00:56:18.077 --> 00:56:18.407
And you

00:56:18.452 --> 00:56:18.752
Clif Marshall: Hmm.

00:56:19.217 --> 00:56:19.877
David Pollack: I don't,

00:56:20.912 --> 00:56:21.362
Clif Marshall: Wow.

00:56:21.917 --> 00:56:23.207
David Pollack: I don't deserve to be here.

00:56:23.237 --> 00:56:26.777
Like, I'm hoping you'll let me in,
but hopefully I'm living a life that

00:56:26.777 --> 00:56:30.437
reflects, I mean, I, I don't think
you're gonna lose following Jesus.

00:56:30.557 --> 00:56:30.887
I think it's

00:56:30.962 --> 00:56:31.592
Clif Marshall: Wow.

00:56:32.237 --> 00:56:34.277
David Pollack: like, how can you lose

00:56:34.952 --> 00:56:35.312
Clif Marshall: Hmm.

00:56:35.477 --> 00:56:36.077
David Pollack: losses.

00:56:36.557 --> 00:56:39.197
It's lessons and it's things
that we need to learn.

00:56:39.437 --> 00:56:45.137
The loss, the, the losing becomes when
I start doing things for me and when

00:56:45.137 --> 00:56:48.917
I start doing things my way, I have
a tendency to really, really lose.

00:56:49.097 --> 00:56:51.917
When I love God and love
people, it's hard to lose man.

00:56:51.977 --> 00:56:54.917
Like, and by the way, God has
assured me victory already.

00:56:55.277 --> 00:56:59.117
Like who calls on the name
of the Lord shall be saved.

00:56:59.177 --> 00:57:03.017
Not the this, it doesn't matter you
what you've done, whoever you think

00:57:03.017 --> 00:57:04.757
you are, and you've gone way too far.

00:57:04.757 --> 00:57:06.197
I God can't love me.

00:57:06.197 --> 00:57:07.037
Yes, he can.

00:57:07.847 --> 00:57:08.447
word tells you.

00:57:08.447 --> 00:57:10.667
He will love every single person.

00:57:10.967 --> 00:57:13.427
Everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord shall be saved.

00:57:13.547 --> 00:57:19.637
And so, I think winning is keeping the,
the, the WIN what's important now, like.

00:57:20.072 --> 00:57:22.082
Keeping God at the center
of everything, right?

00:57:22.082 --> 00:57:23.882
Like that's, you're not gonna lose.

00:57:23.942 --> 00:57:27.482
Like if you keep chasing him,
you'll continue that process.

00:57:27.482 --> 00:57:28.532
It's called sanctification.

00:57:28.532 --> 00:57:31.472
You'll continue to grow and
he'll continue to sharpen you.

00:57:31.502 --> 00:57:34.502
That iron will continue to sharpen
and you'll grow and you'll get better.

00:57:34.502 --> 00:57:36.422
And here's the thing, wrinkles suck.

00:57:36.812 --> 00:57:42.632
Um, aches and pains suck, but the wisdom
that comes with that stuff doesn't.

00:57:42.962 --> 00:57:47.222
And the ability, like, and, and here's
another thing too, another thing about

00:57:47.222 --> 00:57:50.702
what I was telling you about Simon,
serene, Simon of Serene, another thing

00:57:50.702 --> 00:57:53.612
too about him picking up that cross,
and here's another thing I'm learning

00:57:53.612 --> 00:57:55.922
about 'cause I'm, I'm picking up
that cross and I'm carrying a cross.

00:57:55.922 --> 00:57:57.782
I don't wanna carry is, guess what?

00:57:58.082 --> 00:58:01.112
After I've carried it, I
know what it felt like.

00:58:02.432 --> 00:58:03.932
I know what it felt like.

00:58:04.142 --> 00:58:06.572
And when somebody else is
going through that, man, do I

00:58:06.572 --> 00:58:07.742
have an awesome opportunity?

00:58:07.742 --> 00:58:10.382
My, my baby doll has already
started her cancer ministry.

00:58:10.502 --> 00:58:13.382
She's already reaching out to people
that she find out with cancer.

00:58:13.382 --> 00:58:16.772
Like I'm talking to a, I'm talking
to a guy right now that, you

00:58:16.772 --> 00:58:18.902
know, we talked about we're in a
fraternity, we don't want to be in.

00:58:19.857 --> 00:58:20.077
Clif Marshall: Hmm.

00:58:20.297 --> 00:58:22.457
David Pollack: to be in a fraternity,
but like, we're in this fraternity

00:58:22.457 --> 00:58:26.057
now that we, and now we have an
opportunity because I think the only

00:58:26.057 --> 00:58:29.687
way you really have empathy for people
is when you feel how bad it hurts.

00:58:30.347 --> 00:58:30.427
Clif Marshall: Hmm.

00:58:31.097 --> 00:58:34.517
David Pollack: true wisdom is
learning from other people's mistakes.

00:58:34.817 --> 00:58:38.687
But I can tell y'all as, as
Davy, I, I don't do that great.

00:58:38.897 --> 00:58:39.977
But I learned from mine.

00:58:40.277 --> 00:58:42.437
I just wish I wasn't so
stubborn and hardheaded.

00:58:42.437 --> 00:58:46.877
I wish I could really learn from others
more than mine, I really learn when I'm

00:58:46.877 --> 00:58:48.287
getting slapped in the face with it.

00:58:48.317 --> 00:58:52.997
When I'm getting a a, a spoonful
of it, man, it helps me to, that

00:58:52.997 --> 00:58:54.887
sympathy, empathy, compassion.

00:58:54.887 --> 00:58:58.787
And the suffering and without the losses.

00:58:59.567 --> 00:59:01.217
How do we know how good we got it, man?

00:59:01.427 --> 00:59:03.827
You know, like we, we
see how good we got it.

00:59:03.827 --> 00:59:07.667
So, I mean, that's a long, long-winded
answer to, to your question,

00:59:07.667 --> 00:59:09.887
but them, I, I know one thing.

00:59:09.887 --> 00:59:13.367
Chasing, chasing Jesus is
not gonna lead you astray.

00:59:13.367 --> 00:59:15.617
There's no part of your
life that will get worse.

00:59:15.622 --> 00:59:17.507
And, and here's another thing too, like.

00:59:19.007 --> 00:59:25.997
If, if I told Sam a lie and then
Sam told everybody this lie, and

00:59:25.997 --> 00:59:29.327
then everybody came to Sam and
they're like, Sam, we're gonna kill

00:59:29.327 --> 00:59:30.977
you unless you tell us the truth.

00:59:31.457 --> 00:59:32.387
Sam, what would you do

00:59:33.107 --> 00:59:33.852
Sam Acho: I'm gonna tell the truth.

00:59:34.217 --> 00:59:35.057
David Pollack: by God?

00:59:35.057 --> 00:59:36.917
You would tell the truth in a heartbeat.

00:59:37.457 --> 00:59:44.537
Just think about the disciples and
Paul, they all saw a resurrected Jesus.

00:59:44.867 --> 00:59:48.197
Like they could have easily
just been like, bro, I'm out.

00:59:48.197 --> 00:59:49.487
Like, I don't know what
you're talking about.

00:59:49.727 --> 00:59:51.287
But they couldn't contain themselves.

00:59:51.287 --> 00:59:52.157
They kept talking.

00:59:52.367 --> 00:59:55.877
They kept preaching and they knew
what it, and they, they got burned.

00:59:55.877 --> 00:59:58.487
They got beheaded, crucified, upside down.

00:59:58.517 --> 01:00:04.637
Like for a lie, like if it was
a lie, every single one of them

01:00:04.637 --> 01:00:05.837
would've been like, I'm out.

01:00:06.487 --> 01:00:06.797
Clif Marshall: Right.

01:00:07.457 --> 01:00:10.277
David Pollack: like that's the great,
that's one of the greatest, like

01:00:10.367 --> 01:00:11.837
what do you need in a court case?

01:00:11.837 --> 01:00:14.207
If somebody, if somebody comes
to you and they're like, Hey man,

01:00:14.417 --> 01:00:17.297
like there's a court case, there's
one way to win a court case.

01:00:17.297 --> 01:00:22.307
Like that eye witness, I
saw him shoot her guilty.

01:00:23.177 --> 01:00:24.887
That's exactly what you got in the Bible.

01:00:25.187 --> 01:00:30.677
You've got eye witness accounts, hundreds
of eye witness accounts to this person.

01:00:30.677 --> 01:00:35.417
We just had Easter, man, like our, our
country is going in such a great way,

01:00:35.417 --> 01:00:39.887
man, and it's, I love to see so many
people praising Jesus, athletes praising

01:00:39.887 --> 01:00:44.687
Jesus because man, it's, it's awesome
because you can see and feel it like the,

01:00:44.687 --> 01:00:48.047
the country's starting to shift in the,
you don't have to be ostracized and you

01:00:48.047 --> 01:00:49.787
don't have to be weird and different.

01:00:49.787 --> 01:00:51.167
It's, it's a fun thing.

01:00:51.167 --> 01:00:55.397
It's a cool thing and it's the only
thing that you pursue consistently that

01:00:55.397 --> 01:00:58.067
will always be there every single time.

01:00:58.067 --> 01:01:00.197
Good, bad, hard, different, whatever.

01:01:01.547 --> 01:01:03.947
Clif Marshall: So, in other words,
Davy, what you're saying is when

01:01:03.947 --> 01:01:06.287
you obey God, you never lose.

01:01:07.457 --> 01:01:08.117
David Pollack: Never lose.

01:01:08.687 --> 01:01:11.747
Clif Marshall: That may be, that may be
the second Clif note of the show, Sam.

01:01:12.167 --> 01:01:14.777
David Pollack: I mean, hey,
he's already got the victory.

01:01:14.927 --> 01:01:15.257
It's

01:01:15.497 --> 01:01:17.087
Clif Marshall: Exactly, yes.

01:01:17.087 --> 01:01:17.687
Amen.

01:01:17.717 --> 01:01:18.407
David Pollack: dub.

01:01:18.557 --> 01:01:19.937
It's, it's already, it's already done.

01:01:19.937 --> 01:01:21.077
It's already been done.

01:01:21.077 --> 01:01:21.827
He's already got it.

01:01:21.827 --> 01:01:24.362
So as long as we on his squad, we win.

01:01:25.997 --> 01:01:29.297
Clif Marshall: Davy, I can't let
you go before I, the last question

01:01:29.297 --> 01:01:30.797
I've gotten, it relates to football.

01:01:31.457 --> 01:01:36.137
Sam was an All-American defensive
end for the Texas Longhorns.

01:01:37.067 --> 01:01:42.377
Davy was an All-American three-time
defensive end for the Georgia Bulldogs.

01:01:43.277 --> 01:01:47.087
Who, in your opinion, has the
better football team this year?

01:01:47.537 --> 01:01:47.927
Sam Acho: Oh,

01:01:47.957 --> 01:01:48.977
David Pollack: Oh, this year,

01:01:49.247 --> 01:01:49.997
Clif Marshall: Yes,

01:01:49.997 --> 01:01:50.657
David Pollack: Texas.

01:01:51.167 --> 01:01:51.917
Clif Marshall: Texas.

01:01:52.277 --> 01:01:52.847
Wow.

01:01:52.877 --> 01:01:53.147
Okay.

01:01:53.147 --> 01:01:54.167
You're going against the.

01:01:54.527 --> 01:01:56.597
David Pollack: hey, can we, can
we recap what happened last year?

01:01:56.597 --> 01:01:57.437
What happened last year?

01:01:58.877 --> 01:01:59.207
Okay.

01:01:59.207 --> 01:02:01.607
I, I just real quick.

01:02:01.607 --> 01:02:03.497
Last year I feel like
it was two to nothing.

01:02:03.527 --> 01:02:04.247
Yeah, it was two to nothing.

01:02:04.247 --> 01:02:04.547
Okay.

01:02:04.727 --> 01:02:10.667
Um, no, I, I tell you what I think, um, I
think Texas is, I think Texas has a chance

01:02:10.667 --> 01:02:12.497
to be one when all the polls come out.

01:02:12.857 --> 01:02:19.097
Um, arch Manning obviously coming in, SARC
has, has proven, you know, what he does.

01:02:19.427 --> 01:02:22.757
Um, at a high level, uh, the
receivers will be, will be great.

01:02:22.757 --> 01:02:23.957
The offense will be great.

01:02:23.957 --> 01:02:26.267
The defense, the scheme
in the system is awesome.

01:02:26.597 --> 01:02:29.807
Uh, returning the, the key guys to
me, the Pivotal guys, and you got

01:02:29.807 --> 01:02:32.537
young guys that you look at like
Hil, you're like, he's a superstar.

01:02:32.627 --> 01:02:33.407
He's a stud.

01:02:33.677 --> 01:02:36.647
Um, so I, I think that
they're building is great.

01:02:36.647 --> 01:02:37.397
And here's the thing.

01:02:37.397 --> 01:02:40.577
I think with NILI don't think any team
in the country benefited more than

01:02:40.577 --> 01:02:46.127
Texas, because just found $4 million
under this seat cushion right here.

01:02:46.157 --> 01:02:48.827
Like that oil money is real, right?

01:02:48.827 --> 01:02:51.107
Like, and here's the thing,
they're using it good.

01:02:51.107 --> 01:02:52.217
And Sark's a great coach.

01:02:52.217 --> 01:02:53.837
It's all aligning well, but like.

01:02:54.227 --> 01:02:58.397
I, I think it's such a great, um,
a great situation for NIL is is

01:02:58.397 --> 01:03:01.157
for Texas, but I, I think they're
gonna be, I think they'll be great.

01:03:01.157 --> 01:03:01.967
They're gonna be in the mix.

01:03:01.967 --> 01:03:04.577
The schedule is really,
really good again this year.

01:03:04.847 --> 01:03:07.277
Um, you look at Oklahoma coming
into the league and what they had

01:03:07.277 --> 01:03:08.597
to play last year and this year.

01:03:08.597 --> 01:03:09.467
Good gosh.

01:03:09.467 --> 01:03:12.797
Like they got the short
end of the stick for sure.

01:03:12.797 --> 01:03:16.307
But Texas has a chance to be a
national champion, like two back to

01:03:16.307 --> 01:03:18.677
back, to back, you know, final fours.

01:03:18.707 --> 01:03:21.197
I think they're going, their
trajectory is going in the right way,

01:03:21.602 --> 01:03:21.632
Sam Acho: Mm.

01:03:22.292 --> 01:03:23.252
I got a question then.

01:03:23.252 --> 01:03:25.922
You know, so we talked about
what's next for Texas and Georgia.

01:03:25.922 --> 01:03:27.332
What's next for Davey Pollock?

01:03:28.637 --> 01:03:29.717
David Pollack: broski, I don't know.

01:03:29.837 --> 01:03:34.277
Um, I, I, you gotta love the name
of my podcast for college football.

01:03:34.277 --> 01:03:34.937
It's sea ball.

01:03:34.937 --> 01:03:35.987
Get ball, like

01:03:36.182 --> 01:03:36.512
Sam Acho: I do

01:03:36.637 --> 01:03:37.352
Clif Marshall: Yes, I do.

01:03:37.517 --> 01:03:39.467
David Pollack: is nothing better
than that because again, they

01:03:39.467 --> 01:03:40.787
put the dumb players on defense.

01:03:40.787 --> 01:03:42.257
When the ball moves, you go get it.

01:03:42.257 --> 01:03:43.787
Like you just get the guy with the ball.

01:03:43.787 --> 01:03:44.597
That was my job.

01:03:44.597 --> 01:03:45.737
It was fantastic.

01:03:45.797 --> 01:03:46.367
Um, I.

01:03:46.682 --> 01:03:49.772
I think I'll definitely do the,
the, the podcasting world is fun.

01:03:49.772 --> 01:03:51.302
Just talking football is fun.

01:03:51.572 --> 01:03:57.002
I've had a pastor with my, or a podcast
with my pastor since 2021, I think, where

01:03:57.002 --> 01:04:00.632
we've done family goals and, and we just
talk about different things and, and what,

01:04:00.632 --> 01:04:03.632
how to goal set and how to accomplish
different things and different messages,

01:04:03.632 --> 01:04:04.862
and that's been really, really fun.

01:04:04.862 --> 01:04:09.512
But day at a time, baby, if I, if I
can bring joy to, to my people and

01:04:09.512 --> 01:04:14.132
to, to my area and influence and,
um, live a live, live, a life worth

01:04:14.132 --> 01:04:19.772
emulating and, and keep pointing up, I,
I think that will be very successful.

01:04:19.772 --> 01:04:22.862
But, um, you know, what we're
learning quickly is, you know, listen,

01:04:22.892 --> 01:04:24.782
we're getting young, we're getting
older, we ain't getting no younger.

01:04:24.897 --> 01:04:25.017
Clif Marshall: Hmm.

01:04:26.012 --> 01:04:27.422
David Pollack: the days
are shorter and shorter.

01:04:27.452 --> 01:04:31.712
You know, you see sickness all over
the place and it's not, it's not

01:04:31.712 --> 01:04:34.592
always the most fun thing, getting
old, but continuing to inspire,

01:04:34.592 --> 01:04:36.122
motivate, and, and help in any way.

01:04:37.637 --> 01:04:38.177
Sam Acho: That's awesome.

01:04:38.177 --> 01:04:41.687
Well, uh, David, thank you so
much for joining the show podcast

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featuring Clif Marshall, AKA Clif.

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We also wanna check out more of
the podcast, go to sam macho.com

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and David, once again, we thank you.

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David Pollack: Appreciate it guys.

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Oh, Clify.