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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to the Bible Guys, a podcast where a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun in

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<v Speaker 1>practical ways. Welcome back, Chris, Hey, welcome back to you. Jeff.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you are welcome. Always always really good goodness. I

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<v Speaker 1>think so.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes I walk in and I'm like, I wonder if

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to be happy of him here.

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<v Speaker 1>Today, always happy even when you struggle to get her

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<v Speaker 1>on time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was late today, late today. It was I

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<v Speaker 2>should get a free pass on this one though, Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes you should. Yeah. Okay, So today, actually we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to start out with something pretty fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So Desiree has what she has listed as a fun

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<v Speaker 1>jobs draft list.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And so it reads this way. If you hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>pursued a career in ministry where they're enjoyable jobs, might

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<v Speaker 1>you have considered do you rock paper scisors to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out who gets the first pick? We'll do a draft

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<v Speaker 1>of three each. Okay, are you ready? Rock paper scisors? Ready?

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<v Speaker 2>Two?

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<v Speaker 1>Three? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>He did rock? I did scissors all right, So I

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<v Speaker 2>was quick and easy.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've I've often said this, it's gonna be the

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<v Speaker 1>easiest one for me. But I like Graham Norton's talk show.

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<v Speaker 1>They actually in London they call it a chat show,

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<v Speaker 1>chat show, a chat show. So so I think that

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<v Speaker 1>I would do well with that. And I like that idea.

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<v Speaker 2>And you like the idea of bringing in like three

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<v Speaker 2>or four guests at a time and bring them all

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<v Speaker 2>at once.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then and then just get them to interact

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<v Speaker 1>and just have a good time.

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<v Speaker 2>So talk show host. Yeah, well then hey, we're helping

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<v Speaker 2>you lift some of your dream right here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well this isn't exactly why you're not interviewing people, but yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, So a talking head, that's that's your that's

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<v Speaker 2>your dream job.

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<v Speaker 1>Talking head. Would you say, that's a talking head?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what those people do. I mean yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean yeah sure. Okay, So mine my first one,

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<v Speaker 2>my favorite job I ever had outside of ministry. I

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<v Speaker 2>love hospital so I love the like. I worked at

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<v Speaker 2>Marriott on Michigan Avenue just north of the river, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>magnificent mile, twelve hundred and eighty rooms. I loved serving.

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<v Speaker 2>I loved that whole hospitality hotel kind of environment. Was

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of fun. Yeah, So that was by far

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<v Speaker 2>my favorite job. I everhead, Wow, yeah, outside of ministry, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. I would say my second it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be pretty vague, but I would say being just

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<v Speaker 1>being a business owner in general, running my own business,

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<v Speaker 1>probably in sales somewhere. I think I could find myself

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<v Speaker 1>happy in another lifetime outside of ministry if I had

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<v Speaker 1>chosen such a thing with being the organizer of a

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<v Speaker 1>company that is able to get a product into somebody's

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<v Speaker 1>hands and meet a need and to so I think

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<v Speaker 1>that if it was involved, if it involved sales, and

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<v Speaker 1>it involved me running the company, I would that's what

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<v Speaker 1>I would do. It actually probably be my very first choice.

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<v Speaker 2>Sales. Yes, yes, I can see as a good salesperson. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>you've done well in sales in the past, so yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you're that guy. I think my fallback job, I always say,

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<v Speaker 2>is opening up a taco truck. So so yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the I really like cooking. I like the fast pace

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<v Speaker 2>of the pressure of short order cooking. Yeah right, so

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<v Speaker 2>I've done jobs like that before. I also helped manage

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of little of restaurants and things, and I

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<v Speaker 2>like that experience. I like the pressure of it. And

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<v Speaker 2>then because it's a food truck. It's different places every day,

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<v Speaker 2>serving different people, and that'd be kind of fun. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I make good tacos.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh yes you do. There's no doubt about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So that'd be fun.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I would say my third choice would be

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<v Speaker 1>movie critic.

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<v Speaker 2>A movie critic, Yeah, there you go. Yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that you want to write or would you want to

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<v Speaker 2>be like another a talking head? Graham Norton arguing about movies.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I I think, well, I've had just a teeny

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<v Speaker 1>tiny sliver of experience with a couple of directors talking

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<v Speaker 1>about some movies, and uh, and from both directors, I

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<v Speaker 1>got back a really sort of positive response right where

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<v Speaker 1>people are like, hey, that's that's a good response. And

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<v Speaker 1>so I feel like if I can get an actual

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<v Speaker 1>legitimate Hollywood director to tell me that that that's good insight,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that there's something there and it's super fun

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<v Speaker 1>for me. Right, So I think I think, So would

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<v Speaker 1>you be writing as a critic or talking? I think

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<v Speaker 1>all the above. I think, Yeah, I just wrote a

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<v Speaker 1>script yesterday for a video that we're doing a church,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and and I was imagining the shots and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, imagining. Yeah, yeah, I think I'm decently good

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<v Speaker 1>at it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think my last one.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, by the way, whether I'm good at it or not,

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<v Speaker 1>I like it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think my last one, in another life younger than

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<v Speaker 2>I am now, Yes, would be like an adventure guide.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, right right, whitewater rafting, hunting out in the bush, camping,

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of thing. I love. I love that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff, So that'd be fun. Yeah. So yeah, other

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<v Speaker 2>other than the hotel job, the other two make no money,

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<v Speaker 2>but sound like fun to me, right right. Yeah, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I've been in a ministry all this time. We're

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<v Speaker 2>not getting money anyways.

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<v Speaker 1>To be honest, I was going to say, to be honest,

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't even thinking about the money part. Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>owning the own business and sales sounds like that's a

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<v Speaker 1>money grab, But that's not even really what I was

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<v Speaker 1>even thinking of, although I'm sure they'd be lucrative if

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<v Speaker 1>I was good at it. But well, hey, that was

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<v Speaker 1>a fun one.

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<v Speaker 2>And we got little insights as to How'sarba's mind works

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<v Speaker 2>and yours and what he daydreams about when he thinks

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<v Speaker 2>about it. If I ever get fired from here.

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<v Speaker 1>To be honest, I totally can see you the taco dark. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I totally can see it. Jeff's taco truck, right, el

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<v Speaker 1>hefes elafes l hafes Taco supreme.

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<v Speaker 2>L hafe means the big Boss.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, yes, yep, that's great.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so there you go. Hey, the other day I

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<v Speaker 2>smoked pork shoulder and made pulled pork sandwiches. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>so if the taco truck doesn't work, maybe I'll do

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<v Speaker 2>pulled pork sandwich.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, or maybe I'll do both. Maybe I'll just

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<v Speaker 2>add it on my menu. Maybe it'll be like handheld stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>You got to do one thing, well, yeah, just do

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<v Speaker 1>one No.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the thing. All right, Well I'm conflicted now, that's

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>I take it back.

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<v Speaker 2>If the taco truck doesn't work, I'm gonna do a

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<v Speaker 2>barbecue truck. Okay, there you go. Okay, so today we

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<v Speaker 2>are talking about again another These judges have so much

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<v Speaker 2>character and uh such personality. Right, and so I hear

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<v Speaker 2>people say, oh, I read the Bible and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>understand it. It's because it get hung up on the

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<v Speaker 2>big words, like I couldn't hardly read yesterday. Right, But

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<v Speaker 2>if you just get into the story some of these things. Dude,

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<v Speaker 2>was it yesterday we read about some lady who nailed

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<v Speaker 2>the guy to the ground with a tend steak. That's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty interesting, right. So the Bible is very interesting. And

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<v Speaker 2>if you can then learn and go look at the

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<v Speaker 2>story and go, how does this apply to me? Or

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<v Speaker 2>what principle can I draw out that applies to me? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>then it becomes very dynamic, very exciting. So the characters,

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<v Speaker 2>especially through the Book of Judges, are so dynamic, and

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<v Speaker 2>they do such incredible things, and God does amazing things

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<v Speaker 2>through them. And here's another one. His name's Gideon. And

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<v Speaker 2>again one of my favorite stories to tell. So we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna start off in verse eleven of the Judges, chapter six.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna read a few verses. Here says, then the

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<v Speaker 2>Angel of the Lord came and sat beneath the great

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<v Speaker 2>trea Ophra, which belonged to joe Ash of the clan

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<v Speaker 2>of Beezer. Gideon's son of joe Ash was threshing wheat

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<v Speaker 2>at the bottom of the wine press to hide the

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<v Speaker 2>grain from the Midianites. The Angel of the Lord appeared

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<v Speaker 2>to him and said, mighty Hero, the Lord is with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Sir Gideon replied, if the Lord is with us, why

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<v Speaker 2>has all this happened to us? Where are all the

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<v Speaker 2>miracles our ancestors told us about, didn't they say? The

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<v Speaker 2>Lord has brought us up out of Egypt. But now

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<v Speaker 2>the Lord has abandoned us and handed us over to

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<v Speaker 2>the Midianites. Then the Lord turned to him and said,

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<v Speaker 2>the Midianites. I'm sending you. But Lord Gideon replied, how

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<v Speaker 2>can I rescue Israel. My clan is the weakest in

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<v Speaker 2>the whole tribe of Manassa, and I'm the least in

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<v Speaker 2>my entire family. The Lord said to him, I will

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<v Speaker 2>be with you, and you will destroy the Midianites as

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<v Speaker 2>if you were fighting against one man. Giddeon replied, if

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<v Speaker 2>you are truly going to help me, show me a

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<v Speaker 2>sign to prove that it is really the Lord speaking

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<v Speaker 2>to me. Don't go away until I come back and

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<v Speaker 2>bring my offering to you. He answered, I will stay

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<v Speaker 2>here until you return. Gideon hurried home. He cooked the

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<v Speaker 2>young goat, and with a basket of flour, he baked

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<v Speaker 2>some bread without yeast, and then carrying the meat in

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<v Speaker 2>a basket and the broth in a pot. He brought

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<v Speaker 2>them out and presented them to the Angel who was

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<v Speaker 2>under the Great Tree. The Angel of God said to him,

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<v Speaker 2>place the meat in the unleavened bread on this rock,

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<v Speaker 2>and the broth over it. Gideon did as he was told,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the Angel the Lord touched the meat and

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<v Speaker 2>and fire flamed up from the rock and consumed all

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<v Speaker 2>he had brought. The Angel the Lord disappeared. When Gideon

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<v Speaker 2>realized that it was the Angel of the Lord, he

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<v Speaker 2>cried out, Oh, Sovereign Lord, I'm doomed. I've seen the

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<v Speaker 2>Angel of the Lord face to face. It's all right,

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<v Speaker 2>the Lord replied, do not be afraid. You will not die.

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<v Speaker 2>And Gideon built an altar to the Lord there and

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<v Speaker 2>named it Yahweesh Shalom, which means the Lord is Peace.

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<v Speaker 2>The altar remains in Ophrah, in the land of the

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<v Speaker 2>clan of Abiezer to this day, Abbiezer, to this day.

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<v Speaker 2>That night, the Lord said to Gideon, take the second

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<v Speaker 2>bull from your father's herd, the one that is seven

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<v Speaker 2>years old, pull down your father's altar to bail, and

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<v Speaker 2>cut down the asher pole standing beside it. Then build

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<v Speaker 2>an altar to the Lord, your God here on this

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<v Speaker 2>hilltop sanctuary, laying the stones. Carefully, sacrifice the bull as

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<v Speaker 2>a burnt offering on the altar, using as fuel the

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<v Speaker 2>household and the people of the town. Early the next morning,

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<v Speaker 2>as the people the town began to stir, someone discovered

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<v Speaker 2>that the altar of Bail had been broken down, that

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<v Speaker 2>the Ashai pole beside it had been cut down. In

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<v Speaker 2>their place, a new altar had been built, and on

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<v Speaker 2>after asking around and making a careful search, they learned

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<v Speaker 2>that it was Giddy and the son of joe Ash.

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<v Speaker 2>Bring out your son. The men of the town demanded

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<v Speaker 2>a joe Ash, he must die for destroying the altar

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<v Speaker 2>of Balen, for cutting down the Ashai pole. But Joash

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<v Speaker 2>shouted to the mob that confronted him, why are you

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<v Speaker 2>defending Bail? Will you argue his case. Whoever pleads his

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<v Speaker 2>truly is a god, let him defend himself and destroy

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<v Speaker 2>Gideon was called Jerebale, which means let Bail defend himself,

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<v Speaker 2>the valley at Jezreel. Then the Lord took possession at Gideon.

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<v Speaker 2>He blew a ramshorn as a call to arms, and

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<v Speaker 2>the men of the Klan of Abbiezer came to him.

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<v Speaker 2>And he also sent messengers throughout Manassa, Asher, Zebulun, and Naftalai,

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<v Speaker 2>summoning their warriors, and all of them responded. Then Gideon

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<v Speaker 2>me to rescue the Israel as you promise, prove it

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<v Speaker 2>to me in this way. I'll put a wolf fleece

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<v Speaker 2>on the threshing floor tonight. And if the fleece is

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<v Speaker 2>wet with dew in the morning, but the ground is dry,

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<v Speaker 2>then I'll know that you are going to help me

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<v Speaker 2>rescue Israel as you promised. And that is just what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>When Gideon got up early the next morning, he squeezed

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<v Speaker 2>the fleece and wrung out a whole bowl full of water.

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<v Speaker 2>Then Gideon said to God, please don't be angry with me,

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<v Speaker 2>but let me make one more request. Let me use

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<v Speaker 2>the fleece for one more test. This time, let the

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<v Speaker 2>fleece remain dry while the ground around it is wet

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<v Speaker 2>with dew. So that night God did as Gideon asked.

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<v Speaker 2>The fleece was dry in the morning, but the ground

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<v Speaker 2>was covered with dew. So let's just decide tomorrow we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to do the rest of Gideon's story. Well, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>we are defeating the Midianites. Well, yeah, we weren't. We

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<v Speaker 2>were skipping onto another one. But let's let's deal with

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's crazy of him setting up. And then if

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't read Gideon, I would be out right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we're reading Gideon, but you know the big battle,

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<v Speaker 2>big battles coming.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the details of the battle, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>So we won't reference the battle much today. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>let's let's stick with this. God thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So the first thing that stands out to my mind is, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Uh, he said the Lord is with you,

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<v Speaker 1>and then Gideon immediately says, how can the Lord be

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<v Speaker 1>with me if bad things around me are still happening? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and and and so you know, and yet at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time that that one verse, there's a sermon in

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<v Speaker 1>there somewhere, isn't there, Because sometimes we feel as if

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<v Speaker 1>God has abandoned us, God hasn't answered our prayer. The

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<v Speaker 1>bad things in our lives aren't going away. We go

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<v Speaker 1>through tragedy and uh, you know. And yet if God

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<v Speaker 1>were to appear in the room, he would say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>God is with you, and we would say, well, there's

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<v Speaker 1>no way that God is with us. You know. I

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<v Speaker 1>think sometimes in our heart we believe in our head

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<v Speaker 1>we know that God is with us, but in our

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<v Speaker 1>heart we feel like he's not. And so if that's

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<v Speaker 1>what people pray for, they pray that they would feel peace,

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<v Speaker 1>they pray that they would feel God's presence, and they'd say,

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<v Speaker 1>I just can't feel God being there. And in his case,

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<v Speaker 1>it was the midst of actual oppression from the Midian nights. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, it's just a great encouragement to help us

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<v Speaker 1>realize that. You know, God promises to us as Christians,

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<v Speaker 1>he will never leave us, He'll never forsake us. God

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't promise an easy life, but he does promise through

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<v Speaker 1>every single thing we go through, he's going to walk

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<v Speaker 1>beside us and be with us every step of the way.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the themes in the Book of Judges, which we

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<v Speaker 2>didn't read this time, but if we'd gone back to

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<v Speaker 2>verse one in the chapter says, the Israelites did evil

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<v Speaker 2>in the side of the Lord, right, right, so the

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<v Speaker 2>Lord handed them over to the Midianites. So this is

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<v Speaker 2>a theme. They honor God. You know, they followed Deborah

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<v Speaker 2>for forty years, they honored God, held back. Then she

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<v Speaker 2>dies and they immediately go back to worshiping Bail and

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<v Speaker 2>putting up a share of poles, right, and so bail

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<v Speaker 2>represents power and fertility. The a share of pole also

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<v Speaker 2>represented fertility. It basically, they would always shift, They would

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<v Speaker 2>shift away from honoring God into some kind of sex

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<v Speaker 2>cult again and say, go back and forth, back and forth,

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<v Speaker 2>back and forth.

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<v Speaker 1>Were fact symbols.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, and so this is what's happened. They've gone

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<v Speaker 2>back and so there's a really amazing. Note for verse

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<v Speaker 2>thirteen in the Life Application Study Bible says, Gideon questioned

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<v Speaker 2>God about the problems he and his nation faced and

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<v Speaker 2>about God's apparent lack of help. What he didn't acknowledge

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<v Speaker 2>was the fact that the people had brought calamity upon

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<v Speaker 2>themselves when they decided to disobey and neglect God. How

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<v Speaker 2>easy it is to overlook personal accountability and blame our

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<v Speaker 2>problems on God and others. Unfortunately, this does not solve

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<v Speaker 2>our problems. It brings us no closer to God, and

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<v Speaker 2>it escorts us to the very edge of rebellion and backsliding.

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<v Speaker 2>When problems come, the first place to look is within

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<v Speaker 2>Our immediate response should be confession to God of sins

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<v Speaker 2>that may have created our problems. Right. So, so where we

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<v Speaker 2>have Gideon, who doesn't seem to be a guy who

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<v Speaker 2>is actively working against God. His family was, His family

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<v Speaker 2>had an altar to bail, had in a share a pole.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what God said is, Hey, if I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to use you, go tear down that altar, go get

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<v Speaker 2>rid of that a share a pole, and then I'll

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<v Speaker 2>use you. Right. So, this is something that has permeated

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<v Speaker 2>all of the culture including even Gideon's own family. And

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<v Speaker 2>there's consequences to going against God, right, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>think a lot of times people play the victim like

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<v Speaker 2>somehow God's a bully instead of acknowledging, Man, my own

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<v Speaker 2>decisions have brought me to this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there are many many times that's the case.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a person not long ago come and weep

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<v Speaker 2>and ask me why did God take my wife away

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<v Speaker 2>from me? After we just talked about he was he

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<v Speaker 2>had just got caught in his well in multiple affairs, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure God took your wife away from you.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why I told him. I said, dude, don't let

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<v Speaker 2>me be I'm not being a jerk, but as your friend,

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<v Speaker 2>let me call it as I see it. God did

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<v Speaker 2>not go I'm going to take your wife away from you.

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<v Speaker 2>Your bad choices broke her heart and ruined your relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what happened. So you're blaming God, like somehow God

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<v Speaker 2>could have stopped this. Should that you deserve to have

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<v Speaker 2>God supernaturally intervene and stop this as opposed to acknowledging

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<v Speaker 2>My sin destroyed everything that's important to me. And I said, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>you have no hope moving forward. In a successful life

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<v Speaker 2>until you step back and accept your own responsibility. He

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<v Speaker 2>sat there cried, this was quite some time ago. Cried

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<v Speaker 2>for quite a while. I went, you're right, and then

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<v Speaker 2>thanked me. He said, I needed somebody to be honest

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<v Speaker 2>with me and tell me because I'm willing to blame

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<v Speaker 2>everybody else. He said, that's been the habit of my life.

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<v Speaker 2>I blame everybody else my problems instead of accepting myself.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So the second thing that I was observing to in

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<v Speaker 1>the story, because there's so much in here, is that

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<v Speaker 1>he says, Uh, isn't it interesting how he says, my

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<v Speaker 1>the smallest among my family. So God chose the smallest

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<v Speaker 1>clan and then the most the least insignificant person from

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<v Speaker 1>a from an insignificant family. So Gideon has, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>grown up to have this view of himself as obviously

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<v Speaker 1>somebody who's not a great war here hero, because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you know, so we grew up reading the

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<v Speaker 1>King James version. He and what does he say? He says,

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<v Speaker 1>Gideon now mighty man of Valley, and and He's like,

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<v Speaker 1>and Gideon's like, what He's like, I think you're talking

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<v Speaker 1>to the wrong guy, right, I don't know who you're

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<v Speaker 1>looking at. But that's not me. And we all know

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<v Speaker 1>that at the end, Gideon becomes a mighty man of

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<v Speaker 1>valor after the big victory. You know, people in history will.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we told him there's going to be a battle.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't tell who wins.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that's right, Gideon dies.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not what happens either.

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<v Speaker 1>But but so anyway, yeah, he becomes a mighty man

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<v Speaker 1>of holor. So it reminds me then of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus when he looks at Peter and he says, your

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<v Speaker 1>name shall be Cephis or you know, rock, right Peter,

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<v Speaker 1>and and uh, but but yet when Jesus told Peter

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<v Speaker 1>that his name was going to be the rock or

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<v Speaker 1>the stone, really it was a stone that you hold

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<v Speaker 1>in your hand. His life wasn't really rock like yet.

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<v Speaker 1>But eventually, Peter, you know, especially through the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Book of Acts, he becomes a solid rock, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's because God sees in us greatness before we

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<v Speaker 1>see it in ourselves. And so here's the Angel calling, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Gideon a great hero. What does what does

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<v Speaker 1>this version say, mighty hero, mighty hero, and Gideon's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you got the wrong guy because I'm the

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<v Speaker 1>smallest of my clan and i the least in my family.

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<v Speaker 1>That was his immediate response. So again, that's just another

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<v Speaker 1>thing that we can look at too to apply to

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<v Speaker 1>our own lives.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's funny that he caused a mighty hero while

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<v Speaker 2>he's hiding in a wine press. You don't normally thresh

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<v Speaker 2>wheat right down in a wine press. You normally would

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<v Speaker 2>thresh wheat. They would thresheat up on hilltops, right, And

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<v Speaker 2>a wine press doesn't have to be some deep pit either.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, did you see the little wine press area

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<v Speaker 2>in Nazareth when you were in Israel?

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<v Speaker 1>I think I did.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's first century. Very likely Jesus and Mary

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<v Speaker 2>would have been getting you know, crushing their wine grapes there, right,

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<v Speaker 2>but kind of neat anyways, you know, it's it's just

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<v Speaker 2>like a depression in the ground that can capture in rock,

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<v Speaker 2>that can capture the wine that's being pressed out, and

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<v Speaker 2>then there's usually a runoff spot to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>pour into bowls or something. It's not very significant, but

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<v Speaker 2>when you're threshing wheat, you want to be up high

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<v Speaker 2>where there's a breeze, because what you're trying to do

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<v Speaker 2>with threshing wheat is there's there's the kernel of wheat

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<v Speaker 2>on the inside and there's chaff on the outside. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like a protective Uh you ever have you ever chewed

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<v Speaker 2>on And this is kind of a weird thing to say,

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<v Speaker 2>you ever eat popcorn and then get the outside of

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<v Speaker 2>the seed stuck in your teeth? Yes, okay, that's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of what the chaff of wheat is, is that outside

421
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<v Speaker 2>covering of the seed. So when you beat the wheat right,

422
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<v Speaker 2>so they would thrash the wheat on the thing, what

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<v Speaker 2>it do is to begin to separate that outside part

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<v Speaker 2>of the kernel. And it's really light, and so the

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<v Speaker 2>grain would fall because it's heavy, and the chaff would

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<v Speaker 2>blow away, oops would blow away if you had a

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<v Speaker 2>reasonable breeze. So you're always up in the up in

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<v Speaker 2>the higher places. But he's afraid of the Midianites. The

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<v Speaker 2>midia Nites are get a bunch of roving bandits running around,

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<v Speaker 2>and so he doesn't want to be visible, and so

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<v Speaker 2>he's hiding and God shows up as a hey mighty

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<v Speaker 2>man of Valor. While he's hiding from the Midianites and God,

433
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<v Speaker 2>God sees in him while he doesn't see it.

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<v Speaker 1>I almost wonder if he's hiding, because had they seen him,

435
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<v Speaker 1>you know, a thrashing wheat, they would take his wheat.

436
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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, yeah, exactly. So he's not out there challenging the Midianites.

437
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<v Speaker 2>He's not out there going I don't give a rip

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<v Speaker 2>what you guys think. I'm going to go ahead and

439
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<v Speaker 2>live my life. Right, that's not what he's doing. He's hiding, right,

440
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<v Speaker 2>he's hiding. Please, I can't see him. And his work

441
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<v Speaker 2>is harder because of it, oh way harder, because of

442
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<v Speaker 2>his lack of courage to be out you know, where

443
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<v Speaker 2>there's a breeze instead of being down in the wine press.

444
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<v Speaker 2>His work is much harder, and he's you got to know,

445
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<v Speaker 2>in his mind, there's a little bit of defeatism. Sure, right,

446
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<v Speaker 2>he made the choice not to do the job where

447
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<v Speaker 2>he should have done it, where it would have been easier.

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<v Speaker 2>So now the job is harder. Have you ever done

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<v Speaker 2>a job and you know that the decision you made

450
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<v Speaker 2>made the job harder, but you have some reason why

451
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<v Speaker 2>it has to be harder, right, So he's you know it,

452
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<v Speaker 2>and you're thinking it through. I think he knows such

453
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<v Speaker 2>a loser. And that's when the Angelord shows him and goes, hey,

454
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<v Speaker 2>mighty hero.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, Well that's that's a pretty to be honest, that's

456
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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of a harsher perspective than I was thinking.

457
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<v Speaker 2>I was thinking, when you're hiding, you're not being courageous,

458
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<v Speaker 2>well for sure, And I think that there's a little

459
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<v Speaker 2>bit of tongue in cheek here when he calls him

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<v Speaker 2>mighty no.

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<v Speaker 1>No, everything you're saying I agree with, but except for

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that like maybe maybe that's exactly what you'd

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<v Speaker 1>have done or what done it absolutely because because maybe

464
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<v Speaker 1>it's a known fact that you know, there's about a

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<v Speaker 1>ninety percent chance that if you're going to thrush weed

466
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<v Speaker 1>on top of that hill, you're not gonna have weed

467
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<v Speaker 1>by the end of the day, right, So it's like,

468
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<v Speaker 1>you know, and and if you challenge him, you're going

469
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<v Speaker 1>to die, right, there was a good chance, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>really good chance, right, could be that way, you know,

471
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<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's the uh. It reminds me of that

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<v Speaker 1>the New Testament when they were being impressed by Rome,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, they want to challenge them, but nobody

474
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<v Speaker 1>nobody can do it, you know, they can't. They can't

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<v Speaker 1>rise up against the forces.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, so there's two kinds of well, multiple people

477
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<v Speaker 2>in the world, multiple kinds of people. But in my worldview,

478
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<v Speaker 2>there's two kinds. There's the kind of guy who hides

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<v Speaker 2>from potential struggle and like like a Gideon, and then

480
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<v Speaker 2>there's people like you know, Patrick Henry, who says, give

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<v Speaker 2>me a liberty, to give me death. I'm willing. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>willing to risk it all sure to go and and

483
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<v Speaker 2>and I'm going to go up against the mightiest empire

484
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<v Speaker 2>in the history of the world up to that point,

485
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<v Speaker 2>and we're likely to lose, but I'm willing to sacrifice

486
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<v Speaker 2>my fortune in my life for freedom. Right. So, so

487
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<v Speaker 2>that's not Gideon. Gideon's not Patrick Henry. I thought's hiding

488
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<v Speaker 2>in the I thought.

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<v Speaker 1>You use that opportunity to bust on me. For a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like, there's two kind of people in this world,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought you were going to say, like brave

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<v Speaker 1>and then you Chris.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, really, no, that's mean.

494
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<v Speaker 1>No, I was just joking.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So so for me, right, he's not He's not

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<v Speaker 2>taking a Patrick Henry kind of a mindset. Right, he

497
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<v Speaker 2>is hiding. Yes, And when you make that choice, when

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<v Speaker 2>you make the choice to not confront evil in front

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<v Speaker 2>of you, even you kind of know. I'm kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a sissy, right right, you know, you know. And so

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<v Speaker 2>that's why it's so funny to me that the angel

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<v Speaker 2>shows up and says, hey, you mighty man, I'm going

503
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<v Speaker 2>to turn you into great way. And then he's afraid. Right,

504
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<v Speaker 2>he's afraid the whole time, keeps testing God.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's what I was going to say, because we're

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<v Speaker 1>out of time. Let's at least through a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>sentences in there about the fleece. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So what does he do is he is, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he gets a word from God and he's like, okay,

510
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<v Speaker 1>that's great. I want to believe you, but do this

511
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<v Speaker 1>great miracle, got the police and the dow and then

512
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<v Speaker 1>God does it and he's like, oh, well that was great.

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<v Speaker 2>That's maybe it was a coincidence.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe it was a coin said do it the opposite,

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<v Speaker 1>and so he does the police and to do the opposite,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like and it's hilarious because that's what we want.

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<v Speaker 2>We want we see ourselves in him so much.

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<v Speaker 1>We want confirmation from God.

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<v Speaker 2>He's talking to God who when he fixed this meal

520
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<v Speaker 2>for the angel, he set it on fire with the

521
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<v Speaker 2>fire and then disappears, and then God's voice tells him,

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<v Speaker 2>don't worry, I'm not going to kill you.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>The same voice right says all right, now you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to go and deliver the people of Israel from meting.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes, yeah, so how about you do this fleece

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<v Speaker 2>thing for me? Same voice, dude, how much more do

528
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<v Speaker 2>you need? If the dinner I just made turned into

529
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<v Speaker 2>smoke and the guy I made it for it disappears.

530
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<v Speaker 2>And then I hear God's voice from heaven talk to me.

531
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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna remember that voice. It's gonna make it a point.

532
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<v Speaker 2>So Gideon is so funny. He's so unbelievably timid, and

533
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<v Speaker 2>so it's encouraging to me that, Hey, if you find

534
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<v Speaker 2>yourself kind of being consumed by timidity, just understand God

535
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<v Speaker 2>wants to use you to have the courage. Hear God's voice,

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<v Speaker 2>and tomorrow we're gonna follow up with one of the

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<v Speaker 2>most amazing stories in the Old Testament, and

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see you that hopefully on the Baba Gush