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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun, in

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<v Speaker 1>practical ways.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we're back. I'm Jeff and this is Kyle, and

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<v Speaker 2>we are the Bible Guy. That's right where the Bible

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<v Speaker 2>Guys this week? Anyway, Yes we are. Chris is out

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<v Speaker 2>of town and so I have the great privilege of

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<v Speaker 2>being with Kyle dobbin Meyer. Kyle is a good leader

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<v Speaker 2>and a good Bible guy, and so I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be fun to this.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 2>So we have to talk about this in fun and

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<v Speaker 2>practical ways. Yes, you heard the rolling, Yes, so exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>let's do it too.

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<v Speaker 3>So one of the things, you know we've been talking

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<v Speaker 3>about was, you know Moses. We we read earlier this week.

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<v Speaker 3>You know Moses, he's passed epic life. Yes, and so

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<v Speaker 3>you know we've been talking a little bit about our

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<v Speaker 3>ministry experiences.

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<v Speaker 2>You and that's right because Moses and us were very

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<v Speaker 2>very similar to you means easy comparis.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm going to ask you a few questions actually

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<v Speaker 3>about my ministry experience and see if you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know me very well and I know Jeff, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, here.

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<v Speaker 3>I swear he remembers everything he reads or sees, so

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<v Speaker 3>this may be easier for him, but I'm gonna try

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<v Speaker 3>to keep I'll keep an easy one. Okay, we'll start

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<v Speaker 3>off an easy one.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're going to ask yes, your like ministry history

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<v Speaker 2>questions to see how well I know.

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<v Speaker 1>It, and I'll probably stick with true and faulty like

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Okay, well this is assuming I've been paying attention.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, exactly, who knows? Who knows? And yes, some

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<v Speaker 1>of these you'll be like, what was your name again, Carl?

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<v Speaker 2>You just introduced me.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So first thing, first things first, and hey, hopefully

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<v Speaker 3>you're paying attention earlier. But when I was did I

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<v Speaker 3>did I feel called in the ministry when I was younger?

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<v Speaker 3>Like when I when I was growing up? Was there

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<v Speaker 3>ever a time where I felt called in the ministry?

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<v Speaker 2>Called in the ministry? I know you resisted being called

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<v Speaker 2>in the ministry when you were young? Did you feel called? No? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I think yeah, I think you you were paying attention

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<v Speaker 1>to an episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Or two ago. That's good. So yeah, so you didn't

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<v Speaker 2>feel cold.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't until I was older.

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<v Speaker 3>I was actually twenty two on a mission trip to

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<v Speaker 3>Westford and and the church I was a part of.

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<v Speaker 1>I was serving as a high school leader.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, and had no interest ever before that, Just like you,

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, you know, resistant to the whole idea

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<v Speaker 3>for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Good okay, okay, well that was good. Then I knew

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<v Speaker 2>that one. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. What year did did I start at Heritage Church?

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<v Speaker 2>What year? Oh? No, you've been here?

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<v Speaker 1>This is a tough one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, see, COVID messes everything that does.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh COVID was what eighteen years ago?

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<v Speaker 2>It was like, yeah, hang on a second, I know

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<v Speaker 2>this one. Have you been with us eight years? Nine years,

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<v Speaker 2>seven years, seven years, seven years? Okay, I knew that years. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so then that would be twenty seventeen. Okay, yes, it

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<v Speaker 2>was good. Yeah. I was trying to so I offered

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<v Speaker 2>you a job when my son was getting ready to

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<v Speaker 2>marry your sister, and so I was trying to remember

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<v Speaker 2>how long of them been married? That that's why what

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<v Speaker 2>year was it?

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty seventeen?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, okay, I mean there there was a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of trains, a few things, you know, in twenty seventeen

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<v Speaker 3>and twenty eighteen. Uh that God was I think testing

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<v Speaker 3>and challenging with hair, but also a lot of great things.

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<v Speaker 3>There was the kids space, there was the youth space,

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<v Speaker 3>and also that's when I started. So a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>great things happened that year. Yeah, okay, next question. So

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<v Speaker 3>I was a youth pastor for ten plus years. Did

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<v Speaker 3>I ever leave a student on a trip? Accidentally leave?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you ever leave a student? I'm almost positive you did. Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>didn't you? No, I didn't you never have that one. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I did.

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<v Speaker 3>You ever leave?

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<v Speaker 1>Because you were a youth pastor for a long time,

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<v Speaker 1>I never did.

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<v Speaker 2>So I threatened till if I told everybody, if you

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<v Speaker 2>weren't on time, I'll pull away and leave.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's been more than one time. I was driving

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<v Speaker 2>to the front of the parking lot when somebody came

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<v Speaker 2>running you know. Oh yeah, we weren't asking to leave.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. When I think back on that, I was kind

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<v Speaker 3>of I mean, I was kind of a jerk sometimes,

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<v Speaker 3>but you know, for some of it, for good reason.

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<v Speaker 3>We go on these mission trips cross country, be driving,

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<v Speaker 3>you pull and forty fifty people with you, and you're

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<v Speaker 3>just thinking we're getting the car, use the bathroom now.

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<v Speaker 3>By the time we get in the car. We're not

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<v Speaker 3>stopping these big vans. And if you know who Connor

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<v Speaker 3>meat is, feel free to give him a shout out,

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<v Speaker 3>because that kid, we would he would it be an

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<v Speaker 3>hour down the road. He'd be like, I have to

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<v Speaker 3>use the bathroom. I'd be like, nope, no, And I

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<v Speaker 3>did not win any favor with his parents for a

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<v Speaker 3>period of time there. But Connor meade smallest bladder on

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<v Speaker 3>the trip for a while there.

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<v Speaker 2>So man, But so for me, I've always been I

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<v Speaker 2>hate being I hate being a minute late.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, hate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Hate being a minute late. So I always shoot for

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<v Speaker 2>being five ten minutes early. And then if I say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes and you've been a part of this before, sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>where we've had there's traffic problems out out on the

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<v Speaker 2>road or whatever, and people come say, hey, we need

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<v Speaker 2>to start the service, you know, five minutes late, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, no, we start on time. Remember, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>a frustrating thing for people. So as a youth pastor,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, if I say we leave at five,

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<v Speaker 2>I do not mean we leave at five fifteen or

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<v Speaker 2>five o five.

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<v Speaker 1>The youth pastors, I will leave you.

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<v Speaker 2>At five o'clock, right, and your mom and dad will

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<v Speaker 2>have to figure out how to get you home or whatever. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and my kids were always just scared enough that I

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<v Speaker 2>really would do it that I never had the leavening.

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<v Speaker 3>I just want to brag for a minute, as just

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<v Speaker 3>because you understand the challenge of this and the youth

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<v Speaker 3>when you're homeing people across country. I made an agenda.

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<v Speaker 3>This is I don't know, eight nine years ago, coming

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<v Speaker 3>home from Nashville, Tennessee with the group of students. And

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<v Speaker 3>I made an agenda three months before the trip, and

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<v Speaker 3>that I gave you to the parents where I said

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<v Speaker 3>I'd be home on Saturday at four thirty pm or

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<v Speaker 3>whatever whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>The time was, four thirty pretty much Saturday. I had

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<v Speaker 1>made that agenda.

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<v Speaker 3>We pulled into the parking lot at four thirty pm, literally,

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<v Speaker 3>and you're talking. We stayed in the hotel the night before.

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<v Speaker 3>We got a couple of gas breaks along the way.

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<v Speaker 2>That's impressive.

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<v Speaker 3>We stopped and got gas off the exit off six

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<v Speaker 3>ninety six, and I was like, I told people, four

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<v Speaker 3>thirty And it's funny because I.

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<v Speaker 2>Was doing ninety five miles an hour and a bus

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<v Speaker 2>is not a good way to do that. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>I was pretty proud of myself. I was made to

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<v Speaker 2>speed limits and yeah you got them there. Good job, Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>good hey man, Okay, so you didn't have to leave anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you have another one?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'll give you another one, just a truer false question.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is for anybody who pays attention to famous

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<v Speaker 3>mega church pastors. Okay, true or false that I met

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<v Speaker 3>Stephen Ferdick.

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<v Speaker 2>You met Stephen Ferdick. I'm going to say that is false,

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<v Speaker 2>and you.

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<v Speaker 1>Are right, good jolly. I never met him.

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<v Speaker 2>No, okay, I don't think.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he's a good speaker, but I'm not actually, actually,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think I've been to a conference.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh maybe I did. I went to I went to

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<v Speaker 1>a to one that.

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<v Speaker 3>Hed Kregershell and him or the or the or the

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<v Speaker 3>headlining speakers, which I'd like to meet Gregorshell.

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<v Speaker 2>That'd be cool, right, Yeah, he's a great leader.

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<v Speaker 3>He'd probably greatly like five minutes of nuggets of wisdom

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<v Speaker 3>and great leader.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, great?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, good, Hey, that was very interesting and I

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<v Speaker 2>think I got three three, three out of four.

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<v Speaker 1>You assumed I left a kid at I as soon.

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<v Speaker 2>As you left one, But I remember Zarba did and

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<v Speaker 2>I thinking, you know, as youth pastors, if you haven't

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<v Speaker 2>almost left a kid, Oh yeah, you're not that good

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<v Speaker 2>of a youth passage that you're not trying hard though,

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<v Speaker 2>did you almost?

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? Well good, well, hey, Now Moses in this past

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<v Speaker 2>as we're going through the key passages throughout the Old Testament,

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<v Speaker 2>we've gone through Genesis through Deuteronomy, which are the called

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<v Speaker 2>the Books of Moses. Obviously, the last couple of words

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<v Speaker 2>in the Book of Deuteronomy, Moses didn't write about his

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<v Speaker 2>own death right, so somebody buttons that up. I think

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<v Speaker 2>the way that it's so kind to Moses and all

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<v Speaker 2>those things, I bet you it was Joshua. They helped

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<v Speaker 2>write that, or somebody like that, like Joshua. But then,

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<v Speaker 2>just before Moses dies at one hundred and twenty years old,

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<v Speaker 2>he lays hands on Joshua and he says, be strong

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<v Speaker 2>and courageous. God's going to use you to lead the

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<v Speaker 2>people into Israel, right into the Promised Land, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be battles ahead, so you're gonna have to

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<v Speaker 2>be strong and courageous. Well, then, now in Joshua, Chapter one,

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<v Speaker 2>very creative title to Joshua's book, it's called Joshua, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's all about his leadership and how God uses names.

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<v Speaker 2>There's not the Book of Moses anywhere, right, but there's

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<v Speaker 2>Joshua has one book, and it's called Joshua. So in

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<v Speaker 2>Joshua chapter one, it says, after the death of Moses,

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<v Speaker 2>the Lord's servant, the Lord spoke to Joshua, son of Nun,

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<v Speaker 2>Moses's assistant. He said, Moses, my servant is dead. Therefore

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<v Speaker 2>the time has come for you to lead these people,

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<v Speaker 2>the Israelites, across the Jordan River, into the land I'm

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<v Speaker 2>giving them. I promise you what I promised Moses. Wherever

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<v Speaker 2>you set foot, you will be on land I have

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<v Speaker 2>given you. From the Negev Wilderness in the south to

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<v Speaker 2>the Lebanon Mountains in the north, from the Euphrates River

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<v Speaker 2>in the east to the Mediterranean Sea in the west,

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<v Speaker 2>including all the land of the Hittites. No one will

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<v Speaker 2>be able to stand against you as long as you live,

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<v Speaker 2>for I will be with you as I was with Moses.

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<v Speaker 2>I will not fail you or abandon you. Be strong

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<v Speaker 2>and courageous, for you are the one who will lead

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<v Speaker 2>in all you do. This is my command. Be strong

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<v Speaker 2>and courageous. Do not be afraid or discouraged. For the Lord,

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<v Speaker 2>your God is with you wherever you go.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's my favorite, my favorite leadership passage in the whole

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<v Speaker 3>people like Joshua. One nine is like a life verse,

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<v Speaker 3>right in so many ways. Well, I mean, you could

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<v Speaker 3>this is a good one to adopt, right, just because

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<v Speaker 2>and we forget study this book of instruction cantatally, meditate

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<v Speaker 2>on it day and night so you'll be sure to

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<v Speaker 2>and succeed in all you do. That is an unbeliev

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<v Speaker 2>promise from God. So we like the be strong and courageous,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm going to make you successful. But God tells

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<v Speaker 2>us the exact He gives us the exact formula for

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<v Speaker 2>being successful, and that is use my words, meditate on

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<v Speaker 2>them day and night, be careful to obey everything I've said,

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<v Speaker 2>and only then will you be successful and everything you do.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's there's very few times in the Bible

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<v Speaker 2>God talks about being successful in everything we do, and

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<v Speaker 2>two of them are when he talks to Joshua. Both

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<v Speaker 2>times he has this kind of an argument, or this

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<v Speaker 2>kind of if then promise. If you are meditating on

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<v Speaker 2>choose to obey me in everything that I say to do,

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<v Speaker 2>then only then will you have the exact formula for success.

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<v Speaker 2>So then of course you should be strong and courageous.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then even while Joseph old testament, Joseph says

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<v Speaker 3>that the Lord is with Joseph, and he succeeded and

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<v Speaker 3>everything he did, and it's oftentimes you said, oh and

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<v Speaker 3>he was successful, Well, the Lord is with him. Like

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<v Speaker 1>Being with him.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>The thing that stood out to me when I was

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<v Speaker 3>he says, I promise you what I promised Moses, wherever

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<v Speaker 1>On land I have given you.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't know, I just something about that is

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<v Speaker 3>like how he said wherever you step foot, Like I

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<v Speaker 3>think he was going down to like the simplest form

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<v Speaker 3>every footstep you take is the land that I have

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<v Speaker 3>given you. And it's so just thinking about how that

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<v Speaker 3>even applies because obviously that was a command he gave,

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<v Speaker 3>that was instructions he gave to Joshua. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we shouldn't take the Bible right away and apply it

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<v Speaker 3>to ourselves. Oftentimes I think people mistake that when they

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<v Speaker 3>read the Bible, they think it applies to you know,

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<v Speaker 3>me here and in twenty twenty four. First you have

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<v Speaker 3>to their context, their life. What was God saying to

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<v Speaker 3>take it and apply it.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you take the principles principles. Yeah, so this statement

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<v Speaker 2>here is made directly to Joshua. Yeah, yep, right exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So he didn't say that directly to Jeff. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he said it directly to Joshua exactly. But I can

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<v Speaker 2>take the principles that he says, if you do these things,

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<v Speaker 2>then I will do this for you. And I can

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<v Speaker 2>take those principles and go, okay, well, then God's the

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<v Speaker 2>same yesterday Todayever, the way that God treated those leaders,

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<v Speaker 2>then he will treat leaders today if we choose to

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And with that, it just makes me think though

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<v Speaker 3>that like when he's saying, we know, wherever you step foot,

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<v Speaker 3>this is the land I've given you, And how often,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, do we take some of those things for

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<v Speaker 1>Our own lives?

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<v Speaker 3>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>And I've witnessed it too. You probably have what people

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<v Speaker 3>Just don't even realize that the land that they're walking on,

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<v Speaker 3>it's like, well, God's like wants to remind somebody today

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<v Speaker 1>It's the land, the land He has given you.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I think it was really cool reminder, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>sure for Joshua, instead of just thinking, you know, he's

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<v Speaker 3>a leader, he's probably thinking twelve steps ahead and that

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<v Speaker 3>God was bringing downright to the simplest forms and hey,

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<v Speaker 3>just you know, every step you take, this is this

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<v Speaker 1>I've given it to you. I provide this is my

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So here they are. Now, they're in what is

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<v Speaker 2>plain where they are, because Aman Jordan's not very far

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<v Speaker 2>he's telling them everything from the Euphrates River, which is

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<v Speaker 2>into the Arabian Peninsula. Right, that's a massive space, much

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<v Speaker 2>larger than what Israel is today. God said, hey, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>promising all of that to you if you'll go take it.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's pretty amazing how the promises of God are available.

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<v Speaker 2>But then they had to go defeat these enemies, and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll read through Joshua's life and they defeated many of them,

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<v Speaker 2>but they didn't defeat all of them, even though God

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<v Speaker 2>there are battles that have to be fought, that there's

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<v Speaker 2>a struggle in the Christian life, right, But there's no

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<v Speaker 2>victories without a battle, and we're always surprised by this.

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<v Speaker 2>So he chooses Joshua as the leader. It's interesting Joshua

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<v Speaker 2>of others, and God had already used Joshua was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of Moses's military guy. And so here they are. They've

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<v Speaker 2>been wandering through the wilderness for thirty nine years. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>They've spent one year at Sinai. Then they wandered through

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<v Speaker 2>said as spies, Hey, we should go in. God promised it.

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<v Speaker 2>We can go take it. So thirty nine years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>this leader said we can take it. I believe God's

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<v Speaker 2>Moses also didn't push to go across the river, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Joshua and Caleb, they've all died. So now Joshua is

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<v Speaker 2>Caleb was older than Joshua, and he's standing up, going, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Be strong and courageous, obey everything I've command, meditate on,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll make you successful everything you do. And then

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<v Speaker 2>the people. Hey, God says, if we if we follow him,

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<v Speaker 2>and my house, we're going to cirve the lord. Kind

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<v Speaker 2>of mentality, right, that's not where he says it, but

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<v Speaker 2>which in those days used to flood, and they're looking

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<v Speaker 2>across the river. Now, remember thirty nine years ago, ten

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<v Speaker 2>of the twelve Spies came back and went, dude, look

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<v Speaker 2>at the size of these grapes. The olives are incredible,

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<v Speaker 2>the groves are amazing, the food is spectacular. The problem

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<v Speaker 2>fight against heavyweights. Right, that's what they think is gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 2>We are gonna get stomped if we go there. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>nothing has changed except those cities are more fortified than

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<v Speaker 2>the rumor has gotten out now that Hey, the people

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<v Speaker 2>of Israel are right across the river. Looks like they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to want to come over here. So they're all

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<v Speaker 2>this from the next story Rehab, where they've been anticipating

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<v Speaker 2>for a while something bad's gonna happen. Israel's coming across

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<v Speaker 2>to remind them to be strong, to be courageous. He

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<v Speaker 2>already fulfilled exactly the promise. Listen, you are the only

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<v Speaker 2>You and Caleb are the only two that are going

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<v Speaker 2>to survive. Everybody else is going to die. He'd already

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<v Speaker 2>Joshua had already seen them walk across on dry ground. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Joshua had already The God had fed the people for

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<v Speaker 2>forty years, dropping food out of heaven. Yes, right, he'd

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<v Speaker 2>the Amorites when they should not have won, won a

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<v Speaker 2>battle that they were not equipped for. God had done

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<v Speaker 2>so many amazing things, and yet when it's all done,

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<v Speaker 2>God has to come to Caleb or Joshua and go, okay, listen,

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<v Speaker 3>times he says it be strong? Yep, three different times. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>they says be strong and courageous. And you know in

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<v Speaker 3>scripture reading, whenever there's a repetition or or for three

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<v Speaker 1>Are very important.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we see that a lot throughout scripture. The

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<v Speaker 3>time three three of something being said has a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of significance throughout you know, from being to end. So

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<v Speaker 3>it's very important, you know. But it is funny because

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<v Speaker 3>you're like, like you're saying, Jeff, like when you think

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<v Speaker 3>that they would know, right, But no, they need to

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<v Speaker 3>be reminded to be strong and courageous, and then he

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<v Speaker 3>ends the verse by saying, for the Lord, your guy

432
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<v Speaker 3>is with you wherever you go.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, for me, I was thinking about this.

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<v Speaker 3>Because you know, I have one of my daughters is

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<v Speaker 3>a very she's a little bit of a nervous nelly,

436
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<v Speaker 3>a little bit anxious spirit. Ever since she was younger,

437
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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, ever since she was little, she was afraid.

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<v Speaker 2>A little more cautious.

439
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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it's little more cautious, yes, yeah, littlere cautious.

440
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<v Speaker 3>Everything she does just overthinks things, you know, And I

441
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<v Speaker 3>remember she had this, We had this this time where

442
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<v Speaker 3>this is like the verse that she like adopted as

443
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<v Speaker 3>like a five year old. You know, we'd read it

444
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<v Speaker 3>over before she go to bed, you know, for the

445
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<v Speaker 3>Lord's your guys with you ever ago, and so i'd

446
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<v Speaker 3>have her this great this saying I would actually say, uh,

447
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<v Speaker 3>I would ever say, I say knightly.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to say say this after me say.

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<v Speaker 3>I am brave, i am strong, I'm not afraid God

450
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<v Speaker 3>is with me. And so it became like a thing,

451
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<v Speaker 3>I'm brave, i am strong, I'm not afraid. God is

452
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<v Speaker 3>with you. Became like a mantra, be first you have

453
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<v Speaker 3>somethings that going a wrong, like Knightley, what do we say?

454
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<v Speaker 3>She's like, I'm brave, i am strong, I'm not afraid God.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, she'd say it's something her tears, you know.

456
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<v Speaker 3>But it's interesting because it's like it's one thing to

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<v Speaker 3>say those things, it's a different thing to believe them.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think what God was trying to do is

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<v Speaker 3>get them to believe that that, hey, you have to

460
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<v Speaker 3>here's some things to do, be strong, courageous. And then also,

461
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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna be with you wherever you go, and I

462
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<v Speaker 3>have been with you wherever you've gone.

463
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<v Speaker 1>Right, So I'm sure that was very reassuring for them.

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<v Speaker 2>The other thing that really jumps out at me is

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<v Speaker 2>how faithful Joshua was in sticking with it for thirty

466
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<v Speaker 2>nine years. Joshua already he could already see the promised land.

467
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<v Speaker 2>He could already envision. He and Caleb both could already

468
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<v Speaker 2>envision the all the land flowing with milk, honey, and

469
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<v Speaker 2>all the blessings of God, that God would fulfill all

470
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<v Speaker 2>of his promises. But then the people said no. And

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<v Speaker 2>instead of Caleb and Joshua just grabbing their own little

472
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<v Speaker 2>army and doing their own invasion or going and taking

473
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<v Speaker 2>their own village. They stayed with the people of Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I think a lot of times people bail.

475
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<v Speaker 2>They bail on their church, they bail on their small group,

476
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<v Speaker 2>they bail on their ministry team. When one little conflict

477
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<v Speaker 2>comes up, or one tension. Oh my goodness, this little

478
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<v Speaker 2>tense moment lasted for six months, or it lasted a year.

479
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<v Speaker 2>I'm bailing thirty nine years, thirty nine years. But you

480
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<v Speaker 2>know what happens at the end of the thirty nine years.

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<v Speaker 2>Joshua is the leader of two million people. And God

482
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<v Speaker 2>is going to fulfill every single promise that Joshua believe

483
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<v Speaker 2>you would have fulfilled thirty nine years ago. God is

484
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<v Speaker 2>going to fulfill those things now. And I think that

485
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<v Speaker 2>there's something to be said about somebody who's faithful to

486
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<v Speaker 2>their people, faithful to their family, faithful to their tribe,

487
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<v Speaker 2>even when the other people just can't. It's not that

488
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<v Speaker 2>he went ahead with them and went ahead and doubted God,

489
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<v Speaker 2>and he was still faithful. He still served Moses right,

490
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<v Speaker 2>he still looked forward to the promised Land. He did

491
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<v Speaker 2>the right thing all along. He didn't go ahead and

492
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<v Speaker 2>concede to them. But what he didn't do is he

493
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<v Speaker 2>didn't give up on them either. Yeah. Right, And there's

494
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<v Speaker 2>something to that to just say, hey, you know what,

495
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<v Speaker 2>I think. We bail on marriages too fast, we bail

496
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<v Speaker 2>on friendships too quickly, we bail on career opportunities too fast.

497
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<v Speaker 2>We bail on our jobs, we bail on our ministries,

498
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<v Speaker 2>we bail on our churches, we bail so fast on stuff,

499
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<v Speaker 2>as opposed to just going, hey, if this is where

500
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<v Speaker 2>God has me today, I'm just going to be faithful here.

501
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<v Speaker 2>And at the end, you know, God gave Caleb everything

502
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<v Speaker 2>he wanted, and God gave God gave Joshua the entire

503
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<v Speaker 2>nation and trusted him to lead the people. And there's

504
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<v Speaker 2>something honorable about that.

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<v Speaker 3>And I remember hearing something recently they refer to the

506
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<v Speaker 3>generation probably actually more of the millennial is the unfollowed generation,

507
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<v Speaker 3>because we've grown up in a society where you can

508
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<v Speaker 3>just if somebody you disagree with unfollowed or you know,

509
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<v Speaker 3>cancel culture, that sort of thing. But unfollowing, I remember

510
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<v Speaker 3>that's sticking with me, just that idea of like, hey,

511
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<v Speaker 3>you're you're dead to me, you're done me, And I

512
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<v Speaker 3>think you're right, like I think it's so easy with

513
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<v Speaker 3>the church, small group, family friend, just to cut somebody

514
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<v Speaker 3>off over one or something small. And even for me,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll be honest, Like I remember in my church experience

516
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<v Speaker 3>for a few I had actually bounced around from church

517
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<v Speaker 3>to church for a little bit, and remember somebody that

518
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<v Speaker 3>I really looked up to a lot finally kind of

519
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<v Speaker 3>challenged me. He said, Hey, the next place you go to,

520
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<v Speaker 3>you need to like put in roots and just see

521
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<v Speaker 3>the see the the fruit of that and the outpouring

522
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<v Speaker 3>of what God's going to do with your faithfulness. And

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<v Speaker 3>even for me, I mean, I've loved being you know,

524
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<v Speaker 3>the church, were both a part of It's our local

525
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<v Speaker 3>church here in Michigan, and I love being a part

526
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<v Speaker 3>of it. But even being asked for the new Stony

527
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<v Speaker 3>Creek campus, which is open up this fall, I remember

528
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<v Speaker 3>just like it was kind of interesting because I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>really pursue that. I mean, I when it was being

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<v Speaker 3>discussed about the new campus, I had people coming to

531
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<v Speaker 3>me saying, well, for sure you're gonna be that, and

532
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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, no, I'm I'm just doing my job. I'm

533
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<v Speaker 3>trying to keep my head down and be you know,

534
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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to be the person who in the

535
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<v Speaker 3>past would have been striving for the next thing. I

536
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<v Speaker 3>was like, I'm just gonna keep my head down and

537
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<v Speaker 3>just keep and it's been really cool again, and just

538
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<v Speaker 3>with God's faithfulness, I think it's shown that, like there's

539
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<v Speaker 3>something to that now. I didn't have to wait thirty

540
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<v Speaker 3>nine years, you know, but you see this and you're like, man,

541
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<v Speaker 3>what a beautiful principle of the fact that he was faithful.

542
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<v Speaker 3>He served underneath Moses' leadership, and then when the time came,

543
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<v Speaker 3>God used Joshua big way.

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<v Speaker 2>I can remember many years. I was thirty four when

545
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<v Speaker 2>I came to here to church right, and so the

546
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<v Speaker 2>church doubled and doubled again in four years. So we

547
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<v Speaker 2>went from two hundred and forty five people to a

548
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<v Speaker 2>thousand people in four years. And through a series of events,

549
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<v Speaker 2>I wounded up getting invited this thing that Rick Warren

550
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<v Speaker 2>was hosting with a few pastors out in California, and

551
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<v Speaker 2>so I was the young guy because all of Rick's

552
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<v Speaker 2>friends were, you know, fifteen twenty years older than me.

553
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<v Speaker 2>So I was the youngest pastor in that group at

554
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<v Speaker 2>that time. No as me and one other guy from

555
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<v Speaker 2>Arizona and so Rick came over at one point and

556
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<v Speaker 2>just sat down and say, hey, tell me your story.

557
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<v Speaker 2>How do I not know you? You know whatever? So I

558
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<v Speaker 2>start talking about things and he goes, hey, that's pretty great.

559
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<v Speaker 2>Four years man, this is God's got you on a

560
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<v Speaker 2>pretty gret journey. He said, you want to know what

561
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<v Speaker 2>the real test of your character and who you really

562
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<v Speaker 2>are is? And I said what? And he said, the

563
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<v Speaker 2>greatest churches are led by pastors that have been there

564
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<v Speaker 2>for fifteen years or more. He said, so talk to

565
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<v Speaker 2>me when you're fifty four. Wow. Right, And I'm fifty three.

566
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<v Speaker 2>So he said, you know, the greatest churches are not

567
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<v Speaker 2>the ones that spring up fast and you know, just

568
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<v Speaker 2>some guy that can do a thing. It's the person

569
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<v Speaker 2>who is able to lead well for a long period

570
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<v Speaker 2>of time and consistent growth over long periods of time

571
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<v Speaker 2>and building up disciples. And there's a faithfulness thing to it.

572
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<v Speaker 2>And I can tell you this. The things that used

573
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<v Speaker 2>to stress me out when I was thirty four and

574
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<v Speaker 2>I didn't even know the answer. Now literally, I can

575
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<v Speaker 2>make that decision in five minutes on a Tuesday morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, just because I have so much more experience

577
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<v Speaker 2>sticking with it. I instinctively know the politics of our

578
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<v Speaker 2>organization well. I know who the power players are. I

579
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<v Speaker 2>know where the tension points are going to be. I

580
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<v Speaker 2>know what we're doing well and what we're not yet

581
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<v Speaker 2>doing well. I know where our vulnerabilities are. I see

582
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<v Speaker 2>all those things because I have been here so long, right, Yeah,

583
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<v Speaker 2>And there's just something to that. And I think that

584
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<v Speaker 2>the reason why God chose Joshua instead of going out

585
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<v Speaker 2>and going on indeed and just trying to find some

586
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<v Speaker 2>leader this available right now, was because Joshua understood the intricacies,

587
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<v Speaker 2>the ins and outs, because he was faithful for so

588
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<v Speaker 2>long to stay in there. And if you want to

589
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<v Speaker 2>accomplish something really great with God, a part of that

590
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<v Speaker 2>in ministry is just being able to stick with it

591
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<v Speaker 2>and being faithful for a long period of time. That's good,

592
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<v Speaker 2>and that's what happened. So that he was there forty years.

593
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<v Speaker 2>That's the unspoken thing here, by the way, So having

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<v Speaker 2>wandered with Moses for forty years, then Moses dies, he

595
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<v Speaker 2>faithfully serves, he doesn't pull off a coup. Yeah, Moses

596
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<v Speaker 2>chooses him. Then he said, God says, be strong and courageous.

597
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<v Speaker 2>Then he says meditate on my word all the time,

598
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<v Speaker 2>memorize that, learn it, know it. Make all of your

599
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<v Speaker 2>decisions based on the word. Obey everything I commanded you,

600
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<v Speaker 2>be strong and courageous, and I'll make you succeed in

601
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<v Speaker 2>everything you do. Right. He brackets this strong and courageous.

602
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<v Speaker 2>Squeezed in the middle is obey and know my words

603
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<v Speaker 2>and obey everything I say, and I'll make you outrageously successful.

604
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<v Speaker 2>But all of that, none of that promise would have

605
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<v Speaker 2>been made if he hadn't been faithful for forty years. First,

606
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<v Speaker 2>that's wow. Yeah, that's great with them. That's super good stuff. Man,

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<v Speaker 2>That's why I love this passage. We can talk about

608
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<v Speaker 2>this for the rest of the week if we want to,

609
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<v Speaker 2>but we got to wrap it up there. Man, dig

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<v Speaker 2>into the Book of Joshua. I think you're gonna love

611
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<v Speaker 2>it as a as a reader, as a listener. And

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to continue tomorrow in the Book of Joshua

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<v Speaker 2>here on the Bible, guys, yep, see tomorrow.