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Welcome to a special episode of Primary
Technology.

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I'm your host, Stephen Robles,

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joined by my friend and co host Jason.

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How's it going, Jason?

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It's very good. I'm I'm very excited about
this extra episode.

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This is a fun episode where we have a big
debate because for the first time

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on this show we have special guest
Jennifer Pattison Touhy.

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Jen, thanks so much for being here.

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Hello, hello, so excited to be here,

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very honoured.

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Yes,

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and we met at CES earlier this year for
the first time,

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so that was super fun. ~ yes,

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Yes, the Akara event. And I have the pin.

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yeah, and that

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I haven't been to Antarctica though yet,

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sorry.

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yes, right, you do have our primary tech
pin.

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That's wonderful. And

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Akaro is gonna come up later in this
conversation because we're gonna compare
that.

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I have some questions about Apple Home
Collection,

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but HomeView, that's the story.

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You were there at the event in person.

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You had, I think, a great reel of all the
stuff.

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you got

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Yeah.

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to spend a long time with it. And a lot of
creators said that they couldn't actually

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use the device. Apple kind of used it for
them and they could record it.

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So, Jen, you were there in person.

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I want to hear from you.

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Overall impressions, how did you ~ how who
did you bribe to get hands

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on time with this thing? How did it go?

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Just tell me all about it.

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Yeah, yeah, okay. So it was a unique Apple
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because it was actually my very first
Apple event,

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because Stephen, in case you didn't know,

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they haven't done a lot of stuff around
Apple Home.

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It's been a minute. It's been a minute.

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So yeah, it was lots of different
experiences.

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So they had a keynote, which was...

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a video basically, and then Cecilia,

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who's one of the product managers on Apple
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kind of gave a little presentation.

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And then they had two apartments set up in
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kitted out as full New York City
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So it was the whole floor of this ~ five
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Five store.

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I think, I didn't count, but there were a
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Yeah yeah.

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of floors, at least five.

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And there were two different apartment
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And then there was a sort of staged area
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you probably saw were done, where it was
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of like an Apple iPhone event where
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all mainly in demo mode. So you couldn't
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You could just see different things,

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Yeah.

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different experiences.

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flying by, which was kind of difficult for
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Rotating around.

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because you were like, I want it back,

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come back. But

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yes, so there were those different
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The main room was the apartment that was
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They had the interior designer come out
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which was kind of neat because one of my
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is that much of it has not.

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being designed with the home in mind.

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It's often been designed by,

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and I say this, I've said this many times
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but by single male men, single men in
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in a small apartment. So it doesn't really
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the home space in mind.

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outside of a small apartment. ~ So,

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you know, it's got better over the years,

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definitely. And Google has done good stuff
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in nice colors. We've seen more of that.

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But anyway, I thought it was great that
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a really nicely designed apartment.

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It had like soft furnishings and,

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you know, it felt like a more traditional
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maybe not a normal home, because this is
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was a large apartment. But they had all
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the home as you would in your home.

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And it was very well done because you
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I sort of walked past things and missed
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It wasn't like really in your face.

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So it was giving you that, this is what
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which I thought was well done.

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And we've seen other companies try and do
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Amazon did it with its Alexa Echo event.

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this was an actual home, which I think
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We had very limited time in each space.

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We had very limited time in each space and
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each demo, but

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Mm-hmm.

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I just went in and started swiping.

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I did not ask permission.

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So you just didn't ask permission,

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you just went up. Okay.

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No one

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had said, don't touch.

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yes, and I just, and he was very...

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obliging and he kind of jumped

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in to to help when I got messed up because
it was a lot of swiping.

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You may have noticed in the video I was
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doing the up and down and it was a lot of
swiping.

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But you know it's a new UI so it kind of
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and an Apple Watch kind of UI.

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that was a little kind of took a bit of
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Siri so obviously you can also

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Mm.

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activate it with your voice but

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So then I'd get the little bubble

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Bubble.

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and it would be stuck there and wouldn't
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Siri real because so when you swipe down
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You spoke to it. It was speaking.

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it's not a type to Siri. You use it's only
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a full keyboard available in some places
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saw that pop up myself, but I did see that
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Really?

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other videos. Yeah, and I only had the
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how long I had. It was

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yeah, so look like two minutes.

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very short, but yeah, and because they
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you got to go to the next bit and see this
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four. So there was the one that I,

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the main one you saw, and that was sort of
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And that was the smart home view.

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leaving button, the door lock button.

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you're going in to sort of,

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if you're leaving the house, you might hit
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You have thermostat control, which is the
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use case for the wall. And then you go
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that's the Home app that you're looking at
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There's the Siri AI bubble. And then the
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that I was impressed with. It pulled up so
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And those were live feeds of real cameras.

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And that is something that smart displays
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So this so this this I wanna sit

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on for a second, because Jason and I
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and one of the things that no current
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one live camera view just persistently.

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Like the only good place to do that is on
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up like multiple camera feeds and see them
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Even then I'm not a hundred percent if
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any of your Apple devices.

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And obviously not on a home pod.

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You have to you see a freeze frame and
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far as you know, on the home view,

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you can have the four camera up view,

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and they're all live feeds of home kick
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you can have nine cameras on that

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little, I said, they're gonna be really
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And they're all love.

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they're all live, yeah, that's what they
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And you click in on them and it takes you
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the same experience you get in the iPhone
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that you can click into. So you could in
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right there so that you can turn on and
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was very much, ~ yeah, those were all live
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can have on one screen.

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So I know you had very limited time and
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and everything, but for something like
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is there a timeout on the screen?

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Does it does the screen like wake up when
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it so you could see this or like what's
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so there was a discrepancy I noticed,

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I hadn't read all the press releases,

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because this was at 9 a.m. and the press
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Right. At nine AM, yeah.

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And I think somewhere it said in a press
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or at least I read someone had written
that ~ it adjusts as you approach,

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which I did not see. So

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everything was static. And as you moved up
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it stayed that way. So that home view
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when you approached had ~ the same,

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I think it was, there's up to six widgets
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what you got. And it didn't change.

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There you go. Not six, I can't count.

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One, two, three, four, five, it is six.

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No, no, no. Well it's six like w with the
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yeah.

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and you can have more. I think you can
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you can. Okay.

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so it didn't change. It just looked like
that the whole time.

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And it didn't go away. And it doesn't have
a screensaver.

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So you choose whichever

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face you want. So this was a face,

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you could have a photo as a face,

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you could have the cameras as a face,

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but you can swipe so there are multiple
faces.

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So if you wanted a photo up the whole
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you could then have your home face as your
next one and just swipe to get to it.

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Or you just leave your home face up so you
can just come up and press the button.

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And that is key, I think. And that's
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display offers right now.

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is that ability to just come right up and
press a button and it works straight away,

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just like

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a light switch. He's

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Right. And so I'll let Jason ask a
question after this because I'm I'll
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the whole time. But with the no,

252
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I'm just enjoying the conversation.

253
00:09:36,138 --> 00:09:37,138
It's fine.

254
00:09:36,649 --> 00:09:39,060
no, no, no, no. Okay, I'll get no no I
know.

255
00:09:37,349 --> 00:09:38,349
still here.

256
00:09:39,060 --> 00:09:41,581
I just want one other question and then
and then Jason go next.

257
00:09:42,261 --> 00:09:45,092
So for the home control, you can have up
to nine widgets,

258
00:09:45,092 --> 00:09:46,333
you're saying, which makes sense.

259
00:09:46,333 --> 00:09:47,333
Like if you have like

260
00:09:46,644 --> 00:09:47,644
Yeah.

261
00:09:47,089 --> 00:09:50,915
small, medium, and large size widgets and
the the three across are the small,

262
00:09:50,915 --> 00:09:52,746
then you could have nine. Can

263
00:09:52,244 --> 00:09:53,244
Yes.

264
00:09:52,746 --> 00:09:56,697
you have and ~ Shane Watley was saying
that maybe you can only have one of these.

265
00:09:56,697 --> 00:09:58,198
Can you ha like could I make

266
00:09:58,827 --> 00:10:02,227
multiple of these screens. Yeah.

267
00:09:59,001 --> 00:10:03,440
multiple nine widget screens or does it
not seem that way?

268
00:10:03,527 --> 00:10:05,727
I did, so he, think he asked that
question,

269
00:10:05,727 --> 00:10:06,987
didn't he? Cause I think he said

270
00:10:06,165 --> 00:10:07,165
I think he did.

271
00:10:06,987 --> 00:10:10,687
he asked and they said no, but I don't
know.

272
00:10:09,406 --> 00:10:10,901
And okay then a file

273
00:10:10,687 --> 00:10:11,687
Cause you

274
00:10:10,907 --> 00:10:12,887
can have multiple photo screen.

275
00:10:12,887 --> 00:10:14,906
Well, I dunno. Yeah.

276
00:10:13,290 --> 00:10:14,290
That's this is what I'm saying.

277
00:10:13,930 --> 00:10:15,172
Like if it's like an Apple Watch

278
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face where you would have multiple but my
other question,

279
00:10:16,854 --> 00:10:18,667
you might not know this because we we we
don't have this hand,

280
00:10:18,667 --> 00:10:22,952
but is this a like personal face?

281
00:10:22,952 --> 00:10:25,234
Like when you have the six profiles,

282
00:10:25,234 --> 00:10:28,308
is like can I make a face that is just for
me,

283
00:10:28,308 --> 00:10:30,521
like the nine widgets, or this is a
public,

284
00:10:28,851 --> 00:10:33,325
No, all the faces are public because the
profiles

285
00:10:30,521 --> 00:10:33,064
like okay.

286
00:10:33,325 --> 00:10:35,777
don't appear until you get up close.

287
00:10:35,777 --> 00:10:36,937
So

288
00:10:36,352 --> 00:10:37,352
I see.

289
00:10:37,238 --> 00:10:41,842
the faces are shared and the profiles

290
00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:41,800
Okay.

291
00:10:41,842 --> 00:10:43,984
are what you see once you click in.

292
00:10:43,984 --> 00:10:46,466
So when you swipe up from the bottom,

293
00:10:46,466 --> 00:10:51,300
you get different apps and those you would
get separately based

294
00:10:50,699 --> 00:10:51,699
Okay.

295
00:10:51,300 --> 00:10:54,002
on your profile. And when you come up
close,

296
00:10:54,002 --> 00:10:56,184
I think that might be where that confusion
came.

297
00:10:56,184 --> 00:10:57,475
Because when you come up close,

298
00:10:57,984 --> 00:11:02,728
With your profile, it can switch to your
profile.

299
00:11:01,164 --> 00:11:06,043
But if that seems strange though because
that's what I'm saying.

300
00:11:02,728 --> 00:11:04,889
And I don't know what you then get to see.

301
00:11:04,889 --> 00:11:10,454
Yeah, what do you see? You don't want it
to change when you get up there.

302
00:11:06,043 --> 00:11:09,764
'Cause like if it's if it's the home
controls as the Yeah,

303
00:11:09,764 --> 00:11:10,972
I don't want it to change, right,

304
00:11:10,454 --> 00:11:13,396
Yeah, yeah, that,

305
00:11:10,972 --> 00:11:12,585
exactly. Like I want to control my home.

306
00:11:12,585 --> 00:11:13,908
That's strange.

307
00:11:14,097 --> 00:11:17,399
yeah, we still don't know. They didn't
sort of demo that.

308
00:11:17,399 --> 00:11:18,399
The

309
00:11:17,579 --> 00:11:18,579
Okay.

310
00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:18,760
only

311
00:11:17,980 --> 00:11:20,051
thing they demoed was switching faces,

312
00:11:20,051 --> 00:11:21,663
but then you were already in the face.

313
00:11:21,663 --> 00:11:25,506
So the way they switch faces in the top
left of,

314
00:11:25,506 --> 00:11:26,887
top right of the screen,

315
00:11:27,263 --> 00:11:31,214
there's a little profile icon and you can
click on that to manually switch

316
00:11:31,214 --> 00:11:32,685
or it should automatically switch.

317
00:11:32,685 --> 00:11:33,685
But yeah,

318
00:11:33,132 --> 00:11:34,132
Okay.

319
00:11:33,535 --> 00:11:38,366
there wasn't a lot of, obviously we
couldn't demo switching faces ourselves
because

320
00:11:38,406 --> 00:11:41,027
we're not on the profiles. So yeah,

321
00:11:41,027 --> 00:11:45,248
that's all stuff we're gonna have to wait
until we get our hands on and find

322
00:11:45,248 --> 00:11:47,979
out how that all works. But my

323
00:11:47,445 --> 00:11:48,445
Yeah.

324
00:11:47,979 --> 00:11:51,310
overall view of it, of the home view,

325
00:11:50,816 --> 00:11:51,816
Thank you.

326
00:11:51,490 --> 00:11:54,151
was my initial impression was,

327
00:11:54,151 --> 00:11:55,401
~ my goodness, it's tiny.

328
00:11:56,311 --> 00:11:57,933
I was expecting it to be much bigger.

329
00:11:57,933 --> 00:12:03,718
I was expecting a HomePod with a screen
and what we got was a HomePod mini with

330
00:12:03,718 --> 00:12:07,141
an Apple watch. A large Apple watch.

331
00:12:07,141 --> 00:12:11,084
And I was like, actually I quite like
that.

332
00:12:11,084 --> 00:12:15,729
I like the square screen and I like the
bezels again because I feel like

333
00:12:15,729 --> 00:12:17,690
it fits better in a home environment.

334
00:12:17,690 --> 00:12:22,595
It looks more like a photo frame and less
like an iPad or a screen.

335
00:12:22,987 --> 00:12:28,852
~ It looks more like an aura, ~ if you're
familiar with the aura photo frame.

336
00:12:28,852 --> 00:12:32,695
And I guess they, I feel like they went
square maybe to

337
00:12:32,695 --> 00:12:37,439
be different because everyone else is ~
rectangle.

338
00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,972
Hm. Rectangle. Yeah.

339
00:12:37,439 --> 00:12:38,439
But also

340
00:12:38,319 --> 00:12:42,102
I like that it takes much less space.

341
00:12:42,102 --> 00:12:46,126
It has a much smaller footprint than even
like the Echo Show 5,

342
00:12:46,126 --> 00:12:50,069
which is smaller in general, but that is
wider.

343
00:12:50,069 --> 00:12:51,069
So for

344
00:12:50,549 --> 00:12:51,549
Yeah, yeah.

345
00:12:50,940 --> 00:12:52,691
fitting this into like nooks and

346
00:12:53,196 --> 00:12:56,796
crannies and corners on a kitchen counter
or a bedside table.

347
00:12:56,796 --> 00:12:59,536
I think that size is quite nice.

348
00:12:59,536 --> 00:13:02,456
it's vertically, it's taller than most
other smart displays,

349
00:13:02,456 --> 00:13:06,636
but width-wise smaller. I really did not
like,

350
00:13:06,636 --> 00:13:08,976
and there is a picture of this in my
hands-on,

351
00:13:08,976 --> 00:13:14,636
the USB-C cable positioning. It sticks out
the back like a little rat tail.

352
00:13:14,636 --> 00:13:17,656
And I was like, no, no, no, no,

353
00:13:17,656 --> 00:13:19,856
this just feels so unappley.

354
00:13:20,435 --> 00:13:23,608
Yeah, you can see it there and then
there's another one where it's silver that

355
00:13:23,608 --> 00:13:28,102
you can see it a lot clearer. It might
actually be in my other article.

356
00:13:28,102 --> 00:13:30,284
wrote like seven articles, sorry.

357
00:13:28,819 --> 00:13:30,568
okay, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

358
00:13:30,284 --> 00:13:31,485
~

359
00:13:30,568 --> 00:13:31,568
No, no, it's all good.

360
00:13:31,485 --> 00:13:34,348
But it sticks out and you can see in that
picture that it's quite high up.

361
00:13:34,348 --> 00:13:35,348
I I feel like it

362
00:13:34,923 --> 00:13:35,923
Yeah.

363
00:13:35,279 --> 00:13:38,782
should be under and it should have a
little notch that it comes out and

364
00:13:38,782 --> 00:13:40,934
is much more elegant. Because

365
00:13:40,491 --> 00:13:41,491
Yeah.

366
00:13:40,934 --> 00:13:43,836
also if you're trying to stick this up in
the corner of your kitchen or something,

367
00:13:43,836 --> 00:13:46,599
that's an extra like two inches it's going
to have to stick out.

368
00:13:46,463 --> 00:13:47,463
You

369
00:13:46,613 --> 00:13:48,848
just gotta drill the hole right in the
island,

370
00:13:48,627 --> 00:13:49,849
in the middle of the island.

371
00:13:48,848 --> 00:13:50,823
just like the video. Okay, I'm sorry,

372
00:13:50,823 --> 00:13:51,823
Jason, you go ahead, go okay.

373
00:13:51,031 --> 00:13:52,031
Well, obvious

374
00:13:51,832 --> 00:13:55,014
I seems like the reason that the cord is
where it is is because that bottom part

375
00:13:55,014 --> 00:13:56,465
is the ventilation for the subwoofer,

376
00:13:56,465 --> 00:13:59,858
right? Like there's a sp it is?

377
00:13:57,003 --> 00:13:59,564
Yeah, but it's in the ventilation part.

378
00:13:59,564 --> 00:14:00,565
Yeah,

379
00:13:59,858 --> 00:14:00,911
Okay.

380
00:14:01,206 --> 00:14:03,647
it's stuck in the middle of all the little
grills.

381
00:14:03,647 --> 00:14:07,009
It's weird. It's weird.

382
00:14:04,349 --> 00:14:05,380
Yeah, I don't know what to tell you.

383
00:14:05,380 --> 00:14:09,042
Okay. Remarkably though,

384
00:14:07,009 --> 00:14:11,827
It just felt wrong. Yeah,

385
00:14:07,087 --> 00:14:08,091
That doesn't make any sense, yeah.

386
00:14:09,042 --> 00:14:11,364
I don't even think that that's the
weirdest thing about this device.

387
00:14:11,364 --> 00:14:16,148
Now, I'm not Yeah. That is really strange.

388
00:14:11,827 --> 00:14:13,293
you see there? You can see it's

389
00:14:13,215 --> 00:14:14,778
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

390
00:14:13,313 --> 00:14:14,353
in the grills.

391
00:14:16,948 --> 00:14:20,031
Okay. Well, it I I was thinking as you
were describing the experience.

392
00:14:20,031 --> 00:14:23,883
I'm like, I was at the WWDC when they did
the Vision Pro announcement and we

393
00:14:23,445 --> 00:14:24,445
Yeah.

394
00:14:23,883 --> 00:14:26,125
had to like go and take our glasses and
put them in there and they

395
00:14:26,125 --> 00:14:29,738
had to customize because there's so much
about that device that is personal to you,

396
00:14:28,703 --> 00:14:29,704
matters, yeah.

397
00:14:29,738 --> 00:14:31,569
right? Well, I was thinking like

398
00:14:32,073 --> 00:14:34,635
Wouldn't it have made a lot more sense for
them to just let you pair your iPhone

399
00:14:34,635 --> 00:14:36,797
to do this whole exper I realize it's a
little different 'cause did

400
00:14:36,797 --> 00:14:39,549
you really want your calendar to pop up in
front of all these other journalists

401
00:14:38,629 --> 00:14:39,629
hahahaha

402
00:14:39,549 --> 00:14:41,010
or whatever? I understand all that.

403
00:14:41,130 --> 00:14:45,633
But it does seem like it's a tough thing
to really experience without

404
00:14:45,194 --> 00:14:46,194
Yeah.

405
00:14:45,633 --> 00:14:48,425
actually experiencing it the way it's it'd
be like picking up an iPhone

406
00:14:48,425 --> 00:14:50,757
at the store is fine. You can tap through
things.

407
00:14:50,757 --> 00:14:53,779
But until you have your mail and people
are sending you messages,

408
00:14:53,024 --> 00:14:54,024
Yeah.

409
00:14:53,779 --> 00:14:55,541
it's hard to know what it's gonna be like.

410
00:14:55,541 --> 00:14:56,822
And I've

411
00:14:55,679 --> 00:14:56,680
Yeah, yeah.

412
00:14:56,962 --> 00:14:58,443
I've been to that townhouse in

413
00:14:59,220 --> 00:15:03,282
Manhattan for like an iPad announcement
and when the scary fast event with

414
00:15:03,282 --> 00:15:05,583
the MacBook Pros and stuff. So I'm trying
to picture it.

415
00:15:05,583 --> 00:15:09,655
Like Apple put a lot of effort if they
built out different apartments

416
00:15:09,655 --> 00:15:10,655
in that building.

417
00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:10,760
Yeah.

418
00:15:11,246 --> 00:15:16,649
But the thing I keep trying to figure out
is why do you think that Apple

419
00:15:16,669 --> 00:15:20,991
is making this device? Like why does this
particular device they went from zero

420
00:15:21,351 --> 00:15:23,462
really smart home care, other I mean,

421
00:15:23,462 --> 00:15:24,583
they call the home pod and the

422
00:15:24,107 --> 00:15:25,107
You

423
00:15:24,583 --> 00:15:27,124
Apple TV a home app ~ a home device,

424
00:15:27,124 --> 00:15:28,485
but they're kind of not.

425
00:15:28,627 --> 00:15:30,408
Right. They exist in your home.

426
00:15:28,639 --> 00:15:30,344
They're not, I call them, they're

427
00:15:30,866 --> 00:15:33,954
content consumption devices with a side of
smart home automation.

428
00:15:33,519 --> 00:15:35,780
Yeah. I mean I was telling Steven

429
00:15:34,119 --> 00:15:35,119
Side.

430
00:15:35,780 --> 00:15:38,941
that the only home thing I think about is
like our level lock that we have

431
00:15:38,941 --> 00:15:43,161
on our front door has to connect to a home
~ Apple TV.

432
00:15:41,768 --> 00:15:42,768
RIP.

433
00:15:43,161 --> 00:15:44,814
I listen, it mine still works.

434
00:15:44,814 --> 00:15:47,445
I don't care. I'm keeping it 'cause it
looks like a lock and my daughter knows

435
00:15:47,445 --> 00:15:48,645
how to use it to get in the house.

436
00:15:48,645 --> 00:15:51,126
But as soon as I swapped out ho Apple TVs,

437
00:15:51,126 --> 00:15:54,387
I had to like go through this process to
reset the whole thing.

438
00:15:54,387 --> 00:15:58,099
Apple has not figured this out and it I
was as I was listening to

439
00:15:58,099 --> 00:16:00,110
you and Steven talk, it's like Steven is
like,

440
00:16:00,110 --> 00:16:02,831
how do I figure configure and tinker with
this thing?

441
00:16:02,921 --> 00:16:06,621
Yeah that's not really what they want you
to do.

442
00:16:03,335 --> 00:16:04,796
And it feels like Apple is like,

443
00:16:04,796 --> 00:16:08,008
you're gonna do zero configuration and
tinkering with this thing.

444
00:16:08,008 --> 00:16:09,008
It's just gonna sit

445
00:16:08,778 --> 00:16:11,080
on the counter and it will know exactly
what to do.

446
00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:12,080
W

447
00:16:11,197 --> 00:16:12,197
Yeah.

448
00:16:12,100 --> 00:16:13,581
okay, so my question really is,

449
00:16:13,581 --> 00:16:17,173
why is Apple making this? Because the
people who want it want to

450
00:16:17,173 --> 00:16:21,686
do what Steven wants to do. And the people
who Apple thinks would benefit from this,

451
00:16:21,686 --> 00:16:22,897
I don't know that they care.

452
00:16:24,117 --> 00:16:27,929
So I think it's interesting that sort of
being the question to just since this

453
00:16:27,929 --> 00:16:29,989
device launched amongst the tech press.

454
00:16:29,989 --> 00:16:34,501
I am really interested to see once the
sort of mainstream press starts

455
00:16:34,501 --> 00:16:38,143
to pick this up because I really don't
think it's designed for

456
00:16:38,143 --> 00:16:41,084
the classic Apple tech nerd. It just
isn't.

457
00:16:41,084 --> 00:16:47,266
It is designed as a family device and it
is designed or a household device because,

458
00:16:47,266 --> 00:16:49,627
know, obviously it could work for
roommates as well.

459
00:16:49,627 --> 00:16:53,279
But as the video showed, the family is the
core.

460
00:16:54,092 --> 00:16:57,293
~ demographic that they think this is
going to fit.

461
00:16:57,293 --> 00:17:03,756
And I have a lot of friends who have
families or different ages

462
00:17:03,856 --> 00:17:09,098
and stages of life, and they all love
devices like the Facebook portal

463
00:17:09,558 --> 00:17:12,779
or the Skylight calendar or the Aura
frames.

464
00:17:12,779 --> 00:17:16,581
I mean, there is a big market for some of
these tech forward,

465
00:17:16,581 --> 00:17:22,793
but household centric devices that Apple
has not got ~ a skin in the game for.

466
00:17:23,443 --> 00:17:30,310
And this fits that space. This fits
something that your Apple-focused family
will

467
00:17:30,310 --> 00:17:33,354
buy for their house, to show their photos,

468
00:17:33,354 --> 00:17:38,019
to show the calendar ~ for shared
interactions.

469
00:17:38,019 --> 00:17:44,055
And honestly, the thing that caught me the
most about that video was that

470
00:17:44,055 --> 00:17:45,627
no one had an iPhone.

471
00:17:46,343 --> 00:17:47,854
everyone was using the device.

472
00:17:47,854 --> 00:17:51,726
And as a parent who does not like phones
at the dinner table or

473
00:17:51,726 --> 00:17:53,367
at the kitchen counter at breakfast,

474
00:17:53,367 --> 00:17:55,468
you know, it's always, you get like,

475
00:17:55,468 --> 00:17:57,269
but mum, we just need to check what,

476
00:17:57,269 --> 00:18:00,611
whether my, you know, what time my class
is tomorrow,

477
00:18:00,611 --> 00:18:02,802
what time my driving lesson is tomorrow,

478
00:18:02,802 --> 00:18:03,943
let's just pull out the phone.

479
00:18:03,943 --> 00:18:06,734
And then one person pulls out the phone
and everyone pulls out the phone.

480
00:18:05,620 --> 00:18:06,781
It's over. It's over.

481
00:18:07,014 --> 00:18:09,916
Whereas having a central device that you
can use that for,

482
00:18:09,916 --> 00:18:13,308
that is like, we do not need our phones
because if there's something

483
00:18:13,308 --> 00:18:15,399
you really need to do, we can do it with
this.

484
00:18:15,679 --> 00:18:19,742
This is actually what smart displays have
been good at to date because you can,

485
00:18:19,742 --> 00:18:23,105
or the current examples from Amazon and
Google,

486
00:18:23,105 --> 00:18:25,167
you can ask questions like that too as
well.

487
00:18:25,167 --> 00:18:30,651
But the differentiator I think here is
that this is an extension of your iPhone.

488
00:18:30,651 --> 00:18:34,324
So it does give you that more personal
element.

489
00:18:34,324 --> 00:18:38,318
I mean, again, both Google's displays and
Amazon displays have tried to

490
00:18:38,318 --> 00:18:39,849
do that and Google could do that.

491
00:18:40,349 --> 00:18:42,971
much better than they do. And maybe that's

492
00:18:42,219 --> 00:18:43,219
Yeah, yeah.

493
00:18:42,548 --> 00:18:43,548
Mm-hmm.

494
00:18:42,971 --> 00:18:47,684
coming. But Amazon struggles because you
have to give it all your data,

495
00:18:47,684 --> 00:18:50,215
whereas this device

496
00:18:49,011 --> 00:18:50,056
And then see ads.

497
00:18:50,215 --> 00:18:54,048
is just going to have it all. So that's
who I think,

498
00:18:54,048 --> 00:18:56,770
I really do think this is not designed for
you,

499
00:18:56,770 --> 00:18:59,211
Stephen. I think you're going to enjoy it.

500
00:18:59,539 --> 00:19:00,539
I'm getting three, yes.

501
00:19:02,674 --> 00:19:04,895
And it wasn't designed for all of the...

502
00:19:05,558 --> 00:19:07,419
for most of the creators that were there,

503
00:19:07,419 --> 00:19:11,350
the ones that probably use Unifi and Home
Assistant and everything

504
00:19:11,350 --> 00:19:14,561
in the background, they're still gonna
have fun with it and they're probably
gonna

505
00:19:12,662 --> 00:19:14,760
Yes. Yeah.

506
00:19:14,561 --> 00:19:15,561
find

507
00:19:15,192 --> 00:19:18,533
ways to do things on it that it really
wasn't designed to do,

508
00:19:18,533 --> 00:19:21,594
at least not yet. But it is,

509
00:19:21,594 --> 00:19:24,955
I think, and this was my other piece I
wrote last week was,

510
00:19:24,955 --> 00:19:29,257
I think its killer feature is gonna be its
simplicity,

511
00:19:29,257 --> 00:19:30,268
that you don't

512
00:19:29,834 --> 00:19:30,834
Yeah, yeah.

513
00:19:30,268 --> 00:19:33,959
have to program it, that you don't have to
figure out what widgets you want.

514
00:19:34,237 --> 00:19:40,051
It just will present the information that
you need or want in your household simply

515
00:19:40,111 --> 00:19:44,294
and easily. But we will see once we get
time to play with it.

516
00:19:44,619 --> 00:19:45,619
So

517
00:19:45,636 --> 00:19:46,636
go

518
00:19:45,767 --> 00:19:46,767
Let me follow

519
00:19:45,817 --> 00:19:46,817
ahead.

520
00:19:46,287 --> 00:19:49,649
up real quick, 'cause we have a I'm this
is gonna be painful for you 'cause

521
00:19:49,649 --> 00:19:51,509
I'm not gonna say the names of any of
these products.

522
00:19:50,581 --> 00:19:51,593
Google Nest Hub Max.

523
00:19:51,509 --> 00:19:55,470
Yes, we have one of those on our con We
have one of them on and

524
00:19:51,967 --> 00:19:54,025
Yeah, she knows, she knows.

525
00:19:55,470 --> 00:19:56,851
we have two of the smaller ones.

526
00:19:56,851 --> 00:19:58,161
One is in our bedroom and

527
00:19:57,586 --> 00:19:58,586
Nest Hub.

528
00:19:58,161 --> 00:19:59,161
one and one is

529
00:19:58,763 --> 00:19:59,763
Yeah.

530
00:19:59,062 --> 00:20:01,332
in our bathroom actually. 'Cause it
doesn't have a camera.

531
00:20:00,959 --> 00:20:01,959
doesn't have a camera.

532
00:20:01,332 --> 00:20:02,753
Right, exactly.

533
00:20:02,323 --> 00:20:03,323
Mm.

534
00:20:03,233 --> 00:20:05,554
Although I do remember when they sent me a
review unit and they're like,

535
00:20:05,554 --> 00:20:06,764
This will track your sleep. I'm like,

536
00:20:06,764 --> 00:20:09,115
How are you doing that? Exactly but it's
like sonar or something,

537
00:20:08,863 --> 00:20:10,129
Radar, yeah, solely

538
00:20:09,115 --> 00:20:10,115
but yeah.

539
00:20:10,129 --> 00:20:11,129
radar.

540
00:20:10,717 --> 00:20:13,721
So but we have that thing sitting on our
counter and it's wonderful.

541
00:20:13,721 --> 00:20:17,035
It just plays photos out of our favorites
from Google Photos.

542
00:20:17,035 --> 00:20:18,035
That's

543
00:20:17,077 --> 00:20:18,077
Yeah.

544
00:20:17,566 --> 00:20:21,280
great. The thing no one has ever once
asked me to do is,

545
00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,653
Dad, it'd be really nice if I could see my
calendar on this.

546
00:20:23,653 --> 00:20:25,786
Like no one wants that on that device.

547
00:20:25,786 --> 00:20:26,786
We use it

548
00:20:25,814 --> 00:20:26,814
Have you tried

549
00:20:26,566 --> 00:20:28,462
a skylight calendar or anything like that?

550
00:20:28,462 --> 00:20:29,716
No.

551
00:20:28,727 --> 00:20:29,827
No. I mean, I mean

552
00:20:29,578 --> 00:20:30,578
I haven't.

553
00:20:29,827 --> 00:20:34,210
we could, but like it plays Spotify for my
wife when she's cleaning the house.

554
00:20:34,210 --> 00:20:38,023
It plays timers. We set timers on it
because forever you could

555
00:20:38,023 --> 00:20:40,434
set multiple timers on that and you
couldn't do that on your Apple Watch,

556
00:20:40,434 --> 00:20:42,495
which is just insane to me. And it

557
00:20:42,037 --> 00:20:43,037
Yeah.

558
00:20:42,495 --> 00:20:45,447
shows photos, and then occasionally our
twelve year old who doesn't have

559
00:20:45,447 --> 00:20:48,219
an iPhone will walk up to it and look up
like Wikipedia articles,

560
00:20:48,219 --> 00:20:49,219
right? Like

561
00:20:48,416 --> 00:20:49,416
Yeah.

562
00:20:48,939 --> 00:20:50,420
it does those things just fine.

563
00:20:50,420 --> 00:20:52,612
We don't need it to be personal
necessarily.

564
00:20:52,607 --> 00:20:53,607
Yeah.

565
00:20:52,612 --> 00:20:53,612
So I

566
00:20:53,182 --> 00:20:54,883
and I feel like most of the people

567
00:20:55,488 --> 00:20:58,399
Who are in and I feel like I'm a little
more tech forward than the average person,

568
00:20:58,399 --> 00:20:59,609
right? I write about it all the time.

569
00:20:59,609 --> 00:21:03,510
But I think like most people are closer to
my thought process on this,

570
00:21:03,510 --> 00:21:05,031
which is we have a device that works.

571
00:21:05,031 --> 00:21:06,571
If I wanted something like this,

572
00:21:06,571 --> 00:21:08,362
I probably already have that, or an echo
show,

573
00:21:08,362 --> 00:21:12,893
or whatever. The audio it feels like the
audience Apple is really going after

574
00:21:14,354 --> 00:21:17,164
is probably already satisfied with the
Skylight Calendar or with

575
00:21:17,164 --> 00:21:19,235
one of these devices. And for

576
00:21:18,764 --> 00:21:19,764
Are you satisfied

577
00:21:19,525 --> 00:21:20,865
with your Google Nest Hub Max?

578
00:21:20,865 --> 00:21:26,403
I know,

579
00:21:20,957 --> 00:21:24,093
It does exactly except for that I never
remember the name of it.

580
00:21:24,093 --> 00:21:26,017
It's actually a fantastic speaker.

581
00:21:26,017 --> 00:21:27,039
Like it's a very

582
00:21:26,403 --> 00:21:27,414
but it's what, like

583
00:21:27,795 --> 00:21:32,721
seven years old now? You can't buy them
anymore.

584
00:21:29,323 --> 00:21:31,565
Yeah, and you know what it still works
gre.

585
00:21:29,962 --> 00:21:31,296
They're out of stock everywhere too.

586
00:21:31,296 --> 00:21:33,632
They're out of stock No one buys them.

587
00:21:31,565 --> 00:21:33,947
No, you're right. I'm not arguing,

588
00:21:33,947 --> 00:21:35,238
but you know what? It still

589
00:21:35,238 --> 00:21:38,991
works. And the fun thing is I can even
like shout at it and it will change
YouTube

590
00:21:38,991 --> 00:21:41,834
TV on our television. Which is like
wonderful.

591
00:21:40,170 --> 00:21:42,608
Yes, I know. Yeah.

592
00:21:41,834 --> 00:21:42,834
Like it does everything

593
00:21:42,745 --> 00:21:47,179
that we need it to do. So my point is
simply for a th well,

594
00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:47,113
There's a lot of these already out there.

595
00:21:47,179 --> 00:21:49,801
and for a three hundred dollar device that

596
00:21:49,504 --> 00:21:50,504
Yeah.

597
00:21:49,801 --> 00:21:52,303
wouldn't let me tinker and configure it
more,

598
00:21:52,303 --> 00:21:56,617
I'm like, I mean, it'll probably sound
better and it will be Apple.

599
00:21:57,225 --> 00:21:58,225
Which is all that's great. No,

600
00:21:57,354 --> 00:21:59,882
Yeah. Yeah.

601
00:21:58,205 --> 00:22:00,088
like I like all those things. But it's

602
00:21:58,388 --> 00:22:00,080
The Apple. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

603
00:22:00,088 --> 00:22:04,743
like we do all the other things that they
demoed on our iPhones just very happily.

604
00:22:04,743 --> 00:22:07,425
And then the the thing sits over there and
plays photos most of the time from

605
00:22:07,425 --> 00:22:08,927
our trip to Alaska, right? Like

606
00:22:09,312 --> 00:22:10,312
Yeah, well,

607
00:22:09,588 --> 00:22:10,588
So

608
00:22:09,952 --> 00:22:14,685
I mean, but the fact that you like that
device and use it is an argument

609
00:22:14,685 --> 00:22:18,657
for Apple making one. They just should
have made it a few years ago.

610
00:22:17,626 --> 00:22:20,656
Mm hmm Yeah. Yeah.

611
00:22:17,813 --> 00:22:18,993
Seven years ago. Yeah.

612
00:22:18,657 --> 00:22:20,998
And you know, the rumors

613
00:22:20,998 --> 00:22:23,940
are these, these have actually been ready
for two years sitting

614
00:22:23,940 --> 00:22:26,692
in warehouses because it was waiting for
Siri AI.

615
00:22:26,692 --> 00:22:28,542
And I agree, they should have,

616
00:22:28,542 --> 00:22:32,284
and Steven, I know you agree, they should
have released this a long time ago.

617
00:22:31,769 --> 00:22:32,769
yeah.

618
00:22:32,832 --> 00:22:38,528
But I don't think, I was talking to an
analyst about this and she was like,

619
00:22:39,050 --> 00:22:40,690
I said, Apple too late to the market?

620
00:22:40,690 --> 00:22:43,801
And she said, they can enter the market
whenever they want and do well.

621
00:22:43,801 --> 00:22:46,102
And I think she's right there.

622
00:22:46,102 --> 00:22:50,383
And also as much as I like to think every
person in the world has smart devices

623
00:22:50,383 --> 00:22:53,524
and loves smart home, it is still a niche
market.

624
00:22:53,524 --> 00:22:59,976
I think the statistics are somewhere like
40 % of all internet connected households

625
00:22:59,976 --> 00:23:05,237
has one smart home device, but that one
smart home device could be

626
00:23:04,979 --> 00:23:05,979
It's a ring camera.

627
00:23:05,183 --> 00:23:07,570
Lutron. It's like a Lutron switch or
something.

628
00:23:05,237 --> 00:23:08,048
a smart display or yeah, I mean,

629
00:23:07,804 --> 00:23:08,804
Or a ring the

630
00:23:08,048 --> 00:23:09,048
it could be

631
00:23:08,565 --> 00:23:10,920
ring camera that came with the house when
they bought it.

632
00:23:09,435 --> 00:23:10,435
yeah.

633
00:23:10,185 --> 00:23:12,337
Right, yeah, so there's

634
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:11,962
That's what they bought, yeah.

635
00:23:12,337 --> 00:23:16,880
still growth in this space. And I also
think there is room for Apple

636
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:22,855
to dislodge Google Nest Hub Maxes or Echo
shows from people's kitchen counters,

637
00:23:22,855 --> 00:23:27,799
both around privacy, because I think
there's a lot of concern around devices
that

638
00:23:27,859 --> 00:23:31,852
are always listening in your home and
which company it comes from is

639
00:23:31,852 --> 00:23:35,325
a big issue that's becoming a bigger issue
than it ever was.

640
00:23:35,325 --> 00:23:39,198
And the Echo shows all have ads on them
now,

641
00:23:39,198 --> 00:23:40,198
which are...

642
00:23:39,848 --> 00:23:44,892
infuriating. the Google has an opportunity
to come in here and say,

643
00:23:44,892 --> 00:23:48,636
hey, we're doing this, here's our version
and it's better.

644
00:23:48,636 --> 00:23:52,419
But they haven't. mean, the last one they
did was the Pixel,

645
00:23:52,419 --> 00:23:54,741
which is back here binging the Pixel
tablet.

646
00:23:54,741 --> 00:23:57,463
Yeah,

647
00:23:54,889 --> 00:23:56,464
I've got one of those right there
actually.

648
00:23:57,564 --> 00:24:00,526
and that was a great idea, but they just
abandoned it.

649
00:24:00,526 --> 00:24:02,538
This is another issue with the Google
stuff.

650
00:24:02,668 --> 00:24:06,268
So yeah, take, I mean, I think I totally
understand your point.

651
00:24:06,268 --> 00:24:09,968
What you have works great and you have no
need for this,

652
00:24:09,968 --> 00:24:11,828
specifically the personal element.

653
00:24:11,828 --> 00:24:14,028
And I also do think the personal element,

654
00:24:14,028 --> 00:24:16,868
whilst they're pushing it as their
differentiator,

655
00:24:16,868 --> 00:24:20,508
I'm not sure how useful it will be in
practice.

656
00:24:20,508 --> 00:24:25,148
I don't see my daughter checking her text
message from her secret boyfriend over

657
00:24:25,148 --> 00:24:26,148
dinner, over

658
00:24:25,194 --> 00:24:26,194
Right.

659
00:24:25,688 --> 00:24:28,808
breakfast. I just don't see that
happening.

660
00:24:28,808 --> 00:24:30,568
But yeah.

661
00:24:29,033 --> 00:24:30,619
So I w

662
00:24:31,222 --> 00:24:32,222
do

663
00:24:31,370 --> 00:24:32,441
I think people are going to buy

664
00:24:31,402 --> 00:24:32,402
you have a skylight, Jim?

665
00:24:32,441 --> 00:24:35,422
it. I did test the Skylight Max,

666
00:24:35,422 --> 00:24:36,422
the big one.

667
00:24:36,168 --> 00:24:37,168
Yeah, yeah.

668
00:24:37,123 --> 00:24:39,553
And yeah, I loved that. I thought it was a
great device.

669
00:24:39,553 --> 00:24:41,926
And that's the kind of, that's a mum tech
device.

670
00:24:41,926 --> 00:24:44,467
Like all the mums I know want something
like that.

671
00:24:44,820 --> 00:24:46,181
So my I'm

672
00:24:46,181 --> 00:24:48,963
I'm going to play my own devil's advocate
in a second,

673
00:24:48,963 --> 00:24:51,635
but we have a skylight and we love it.

674
00:24:51,635 --> 00:24:54,037
it was a sponsorship like a year ago,

675
00:24:54,037 --> 00:24:57,409
but we do use it every day and my kids use
it for like chore tracking,

676
00:24:57,409 --> 00:25:01,582
our calendars on there. And there's gonna
be a weird choice that families have

677
00:25:01,582 --> 00:25:03,653
to make where this holiday season,

678
00:25:03,653 --> 00:25:05,437
if we're gonna buy a thing to put on the
wall,

679
00:25:05,437 --> 00:25:06,437
are we gonna choose a

680
00:25:05,867 --> 00:25:06,867
Yeah.

681
00:25:06,295 --> 00:25:07,897
skylight or we can choose a home view?

682
00:25:07,897 --> 00:25:12,670
And the home view does not do all of this
kind of collaborative task stuff.

683
00:25:12,054 --> 00:25:13,054
No,

684
00:25:12,812 --> 00:25:13,812
yeah.

685
00:25:13,156 --> 00:25:14,156
Or

686
00:25:13,537 --> 00:25:15,322
like the skylight is also a picture frame,

687
00:25:15,322 --> 00:25:16,867
like I can send pictures and videos to it.

688
00:25:16,867 --> 00:25:20,117
So I still think like Apple has a long way
to go in that regard.

689
00:25:19,627 --> 00:25:20,627
But you have

690
00:25:20,147 --> 00:25:22,800
to pay like 80 bucks a month, a year for
the skylight,

691
00:25:22,770 --> 00:25:24,490
It's eighty bucks a year for some
features.

692
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:27,434
don't you? Yeah. The calendar import
stuff,

693
00:25:24,490 --> 00:25:28,672
Like if you want the chho the calendar
report,

694
00:25:27,434 --> 00:25:28,615
which is really good.

695
00:25:28,812 --> 00:25:30,872
it is really good. And the reward feature,

696
00:25:30,872 --> 00:25:33,143
which is honestly what we use the most
with our kids,

697
00:25:32,649 --> 00:25:33,886
Yeah, yeah.

698
00:25:33,143 --> 00:25:34,143
where like they

699
00:25:34,093 --> 00:25:35,574
clean the bathroom and they get stars,

700
00:25:35,574 --> 00:25:37,014
then they can redeem those stars.

701
00:25:37,014 --> 00:25:38,014
That's an

702
00:25:37,194 --> 00:25:38,194
Yeah.

703
00:25:37,554 --> 00:25:39,053
eighty dollar a year subscription,

704
00:25:39,053 --> 00:25:42,535
which which kind of stinks. But the two
use cases that I tried to make

705
00:25:42,535 --> 00:25:46,457
a valiant effort to defend this on last
week's primary tech episode,

706
00:25:46,045 --> 00:25:47,045
Yeah

707
00:25:46,457 --> 00:25:48,467
you know, having a timer

708
00:25:48,467 --> 00:25:51,688
that's visual is at least going that's

709
00:25:50,079 --> 00:25:51,702
the time is good. I like the way

710
00:25:51,702 --> 00:25:54,185
they did that. Yeah, that interface is
nice.

711
00:25:52,518 --> 00:25:55,480
Yeah, and that's at least that's gonna cut
down on

712
00:25:54,185 --> 00:25:55,547
The

713
00:25:55,547 --> 00:25:57,890
Google Nest Max Hub can do that as well
though.

714
00:25:57,811 --> 00:25:58,811
Yes.

715
00:25:57,832 --> 00:25:59,917
I'm sure I a lot of things can show a
timer visually,

716
00:25:57,890 --> 00:26:02,417
And it even has little

717
00:25:59,917 --> 00:26:02,354
but I'm just saying that'll be a good ~
feature.

718
00:26:02,577 --> 00:26:04,600
icons and pictures of what you're doing,

719
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:05,600
but yeah.

720
00:26:04,682 --> 00:26:06,543
Yeah, and that is cool. But the one

721
00:26:06,543 --> 00:26:09,573
other feature, and I'm curious if you had
any experience with this hands-on,

722
00:26:09,573 --> 00:26:11,904
is when it comes to recipes, you

723
00:26:11,412 --> 00:26:12,412
Hmm

724
00:26:11,904 --> 00:26:15,405
know, they show this recipe beaming from
your phone to the thing,

725
00:26:15,405 --> 00:26:17,405
or you can ask the voice assistant.

726
00:26:17,405 --> 00:26:19,886
But a situation that happened just
yesterday,

727
00:26:19,886 --> 00:26:22,667
my daughter wanted to make overnight oats,

728
00:26:22,667 --> 00:26:26,528
and my wife had the recipe in the notes
app on her phone.

729
00:26:26,431 --> 00:26:29,015
Yeah, I can't believe they don't have the
notes up on this.

730
00:26:26,528 --> 00:26:32,180
And s and that would be an ideal situation

731
00:26:29,015 --> 00:26:30,437
That's just, yeah.

732
00:26:32,180 --> 00:26:33,800
where if there was a home view on the
counter.

733
00:26:34,238 --> 00:26:38,101
that my wife could just like tap her phone
to it and the recipe from

734
00:26:38,101 --> 00:26:40,102
her note comes up on the home view.

735
00:26:40,102 --> 00:26:41,102
And

736
00:26:40,288 --> 00:26:41,288
Yeah.

737
00:26:41,063 --> 00:26:44,716
as far as I could tell, it does it seems
like recipes get on this thing

738
00:26:44,716 --> 00:26:48,309
one of two ways. You ask the voice
assistant for a random French toast recipe

739
00:26:48,309 --> 00:26:50,150
and it will go out to the internet and
find one.

740
00:26:50,251 --> 00:26:51,973
Well, that was through the text message.

741
00:26:51,973 --> 00:26:54,696
So that was text,

742
00:26:52,862 --> 00:26:54,105
That was r ~ okay.

743
00:26:54,696 --> 00:26:57,299
it said, because they were showing the
personal context.

744
00:26:57,299 --> 00:27:02,425
So show me the recipe that mum texted me
on French toast is what he said,

745
00:27:02,425 --> 00:27:05,358
or mum sent me. So, but that was probably
a URL.

746
00:27:05,358 --> 00:27:07,411
So same thing still coming from Safari.

747
00:27:07,955 --> 00:27:10,009
Right, but it does not seem as far as you
could tell,

748
00:27:10,009 --> 00:27:12,383
like if I have, as I'm sure many people
do,

749
00:27:12,383 --> 00:27:15,228
a bunch of recipes on in the notes app of
my phone,

750
00:27:14,153 --> 00:27:15,584
notes app. Yeah.

751
00:27:15,790 --> 00:27:18,174
is there any way to get that onto the home
view?

752
00:27:18,502 --> 00:27:21,494
Not as of now, no, because

753
00:27:21,130 --> 00:27:22,130
Hmm.

754
00:27:21,494 --> 00:27:23,244
for some reason, no Notes app on there.

755
00:27:23,244 --> 00:27:25,057
And that does seem like an oversight to
me.

756
00:27:25,057 --> 00:27:31,021
I, know, and there is a lot of interesting
aspects about what they decided

757
00:27:31,021 --> 00:27:33,323
to leave to include and what they didn't
on this.

758
00:27:33,323 --> 00:27:36,185
And I'm sure it will change. I'm sure more
things will come.

759
00:27:36,185 --> 00:27:39,547
I don't think it's weird. It doesn't have
an app store because none

760
00:27:39,547 --> 00:27:41,239
of the other smart displays have app
stores.

761
00:27:41,239 --> 00:27:43,761
This is not something these devices are
used as.

762
00:27:43,761 --> 00:27:45,622
They're not really.

763
00:27:46,048 --> 00:27:49,771
It's not a personal computing device that
you sit there and tap through your apps.

764
00:27:49,771 --> 00:27:52,954
I think, yeah, the Safari,

765
00:27:52,954 --> 00:27:57,738
they don't, I actually asked, it doesn't
integrate with Apple News's recipe

766
00:27:58,098 --> 00:27:59,449
app section

767
00:27:58,889 --> 00:27:59,889
Really?

768
00:27:59,449 --> 00:28:02,622
either. It's just Safari at the moment.

769
00:28:02,118 --> 00:28:05,989
What? I thought that was the whole reason
they added recipes to News Plus.

770
00:28:02,622 --> 00:28:06,115
Yeah, I know. I was like, I thought that
was the whole,

771
00:28:06,115 --> 00:28:07,366
I thought that, me too.

772
00:28:08,754 --> 00:28:10,072
It's right there! You could

773
00:28:10,072 --> 00:28:11,852
save the recipes in Apple News.

774
00:28:12,861 --> 00:28:15,512
But I said, it use Apple News recipes?

775
00:28:15,512 --> 00:28:17,404
And they said, it uses Safari.

776
00:28:17,404 --> 00:28:19,315
You know the whole Apple non-answer,

777
00:28:19,315 --> 00:28:22,447
we're not gonna say no, but we're gonna
tell you what we just said.

778
00:28:20,525 --> 00:28:21,525
Ha ha

779
00:28:20,946 --> 00:28:24,222
Well and like I mean and it's cool

780
00:28:24,222 --> 00:28:26,115
like in the demo and even in your short,

781
00:28:26,115 --> 00:28:31,384
like it shows beaming a webpage and then
it shows just full on safari

782
00:28:26,954 --> 00:28:31,589
And it goes, woo! Yeah,

783
00:28:31,465 --> 00:28:32,465
on the display.

784
00:28:31,589 --> 00:28:32,589
so you get the full,

785
00:28:32,510 --> 00:28:34,682
and so the whole recipe is there.

786
00:28:34,682 --> 00:28:36,534
And then if you see in that bottom left,

787
00:28:36,534 --> 00:28:39,216
bottom right corner is a little icon.

788
00:28:39,216 --> 00:28:41,268
And when you've tapped on that,

789
00:28:41,268 --> 00:28:46,584
it switches views. So it's basically a
view in Safari that goes from webpage

790
00:28:46,584 --> 00:28:50,858
to guided cooking. So that's what it's
switching.

791
00:28:49,512 --> 00:28:50,512
Which is actually

792
00:28:51,086 --> 00:28:53,711
doesn't Safari have that like on the Mac
or iPad right now,

793
00:28:53,711 --> 00:28:56,778
like if you go to a recipe page?

794
00:28:55,978 --> 00:28:57,130
It's like the reader

795
00:28:57,130 --> 00:28:59,383
mode in Safari.

796
00:28:58,931 --> 00:28:59,931
Right.

797
00:28:59,383 --> 00:29:02,408
Yeah, I've never tried that,

798
00:29:02,408 --> 00:29:05,463
but there may be, yeah, you may have the
option to do this on your phone too,

799
00:29:05,463 --> 00:29:08,487
or on your iPad. If you just want to buy
an iPad.

800
00:29:06,793 --> 00:29:09,268
You can so like right now like I just went
to

801
00:29:09,268 --> 00:29:11,011
an almond flour pancake recipe

802
00:29:11,105 --> 00:29:12,105
Yeah.

803
00:29:11,513 --> 00:29:14,918
and you can just you know, in if you go
into reader mode,

804
00:29:14,918 --> 00:29:18,146
there's like a table of contents I guess.

805
00:29:18,452 --> 00:29:20,585
Right, so it's doing, it's basically the
same thing,

806
00:29:20,585 --> 00:29:23,540
although the difference is it's adding in
the timers.

807
00:29:20,592 --> 00:29:24,713
It's kind of the same thing. The time the
time that's cool.

808
00:29:23,540 --> 00:29:25,132
And that's

809
00:29:25,132 --> 00:29:28,618
neat, you just tap it and it'll do the
timer for you.

810
00:29:27,646 --> 00:29:29,167
But that seems like a huge

811
00:29:29,468 --> 00:29:31,768
miss if like you the Apple News recipes,

812
00:29:31,768 --> 00:29:33,130
which is like a good interface.

813
00:29:32,010 --> 00:29:34,793
I know, it is, it's good.

814
00:29:33,130 --> 00:29:34,849
Like the Apple News plus recipes is

815
00:29:34,849 --> 00:29:36,653
good. Like if it doesn't move to the home
view,

816
00:29:36,653 --> 00:29:37,653
that's a miss. I

817
00:29:37,780 --> 00:29:42,892
So the Apple News is another one of the
apps that's default on the device,

818
00:29:42,892 --> 00:29:44,543
although it's not on the device,

819
00:29:44,543 --> 00:29:48,184
it's in the CarPlay projection side of
things,

820
00:29:48,184 --> 00:29:51,126
which I'm very interested to see how all
of this works.

821
00:29:51,126 --> 00:29:54,477
They didn't show any hands-on demos of the
AirPlay,

822
00:29:54,477 --> 00:29:57,238
well, the CarPlay apps.

823
00:29:56,286 --> 00:29:57,286
Mm hmm.

824
00:29:57,238 --> 00:29:59,989
It was all the built-in apps, so very
limited.

825
00:29:59,989 --> 00:30:02,500
But you do have Safari built in,

826
00:30:02,500 --> 00:30:05,432
so in theory, you can do anything you
like.

827
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,786
Yeah. Sure. Did do you 'cause I also

828
00:30:06,786 --> 00:30:13,027
saw the Apple T V app was built in and if
that's a CarPlay app.

829
00:30:09,798 --> 00:30:14,001
No, that's also a, that's a CarPlay one.

830
00:30:13,027 --> 00:30:14,570
So

831
00:30:14,001 --> 00:30:15,001
So

832
00:30:14,570 --> 00:30:15,570
you

833
00:30:14,852 --> 00:30:17,134
it's default, it's a default app on the
device,

834
00:30:17,134 --> 00:30:19,636
but it's not built in, it relies on your
phone.

835
00:30:19,946 --> 00:30:25,087
So hold on. So if my if a kid wanted to
play

836
00:30:25,087 --> 00:30:29,112
Toy Story Five and it was like purchased
in Apple T V.

837
00:30:29,112 --> 00:30:30,853
So it like in the Apple T V app.

838
00:30:30,853 --> 00:30:33,094
Is that not s they can't

839
00:30:31,230 --> 00:30:33,272
Yeah, don't,

840
00:30:33,272 --> 00:30:35,121
I'm not sure if it's the Apple TV and they
didn't,

841
00:30:35,121 --> 00:30:37,115
cause they didn't demo it, if it's the
Apple

842
00:30:36,626 --> 00:30:37,626
Hmm.

843
00:30:37,115 --> 00:30:41,368
TV app or if it's the Apple TV service.

844
00:30:42,017 --> 00:30:43,080
Not confusing at all.

845
00:30:43,530 --> 00:30:45,361
which would be different things,

846
00:30:45,361 --> 00:30:46,361
correct?

847
00:30:46,226 --> 00:30:47,258
So my seven year old

848
00:30:46,396 --> 00:30:49,660
Or if it's just an Apple T V four K and
you didn't know that.

849
00:30:49,764 --> 00:30:51,205
I mean, I'm assuming it's

850
00:30:50,004 --> 00:30:51,004
So my okay.

851
00:30:51,205 --> 00:30:53,436
the app. So yes, anything you downloaded,

852
00:30:53,436 --> 00:30:56,378
if you own Toy Story, you should be able
to play it,

853
00:30:56,378 --> 00:30:58,849
but they didn't clarify, so I'm not sure.

854
00:30:58,849 --> 00:31:01,521
So anything

855
00:31:01,106 --> 00:31:02,106
Mm.

856
00:31:01,521 --> 00:31:03,982
that works in Apple TV, you can airplay,

857
00:31:03,982 --> 00:31:07,355
but I don't see this as a video
consumption device personally.

858
00:31:07,355 --> 00:31:09,616
I really don't feel like that's its
purpose.

859
00:31:08,647 --> 00:31:09,647
No.

860
00:31:09,921 --> 00:31:14,548
But ~ the only place I see it could be
useful for that would be recipes.

861
00:31:14,548 --> 00:31:16,200
I mean, you might want to

862
00:31:15,412 --> 00:31:16,412
Right.

863
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,434
watch a YouTube version of a recipe or a
TikTok.

864
00:31:18,434 --> 00:31:22,540
That's my daughter makes all her cooking
is done with TikTok recipes.

865
00:31:22,540 --> 00:31:24,884
So I would want that if I could.

866
00:31:22,814 --> 00:31:24,876
I mean the the

867
00:31:23,889 --> 00:31:24,889
Sure.

868
00:31:25,076 --> 00:31:27,958
the video thing though, I mean this feels
pretty classic Apple.

869
00:31:27,958 --> 00:31:30,330
No, the iPad is for that. Right?

870
00:31:30,301 --> 00:31:31,301
Hehehehehe

871
00:31:30,330 --> 00:31:31,711
They're not gonna make this for

872
00:31:31,711 --> 00:31:34,513
three hundred dollars replace an iPad
mini.

873
00:31:34,513 --> 00:31:35,584
They're gonna be like, No, if you

874
00:31:35,083 --> 00:31:36,083
Right.

875
00:31:35,584 --> 00:31:38,066
wanted to give your kid a thing to watch
Toy Story five,

876
00:31:38,066 --> 00:31:40,448
you have sixteen hundred screens in your
house.

877
00:31:40,448 --> 00:31:42,029
This isn't going to be one of them,

878
00:31:41,149 --> 00:31:42,149
Yeah.

879
00:31:42,029 --> 00:31:45,532
but let me interest you in a in a nice
little iPad.

880
00:31:42,394 --> 00:31:46,907
Yeah. Much more expensive one.

881
00:31:44,754 --> 00:31:45,754
I bet.

882
00:31:45,532 --> 00:31:47,374
Yes.

883
00:31:46,907 --> 00:31:47,907
my god, my cat

884
00:31:47,717 --> 00:31:50,259
just jumped in my window on the second
story.

885
00:31:50,259 --> 00:31:53,261
~ What? No,

886
00:31:51,806 --> 00:31:53,380
Wait, like in real life, your cat right
now?

887
00:31:53,541 --> 00:31:56,703
he's yelling at me from the window.

888
00:31:55,658 --> 00:32:00,378
Do you need to go get Do you need to go
get the okay Okay.

889
00:31:56,703 --> 00:31:59,636
No, it's, he'll be fine. Well,

890
00:31:59,636 --> 00:32:00,636
I can't get him

891
00:32:00,466 --> 00:32:04,529
in. He's on the second story. Sorry.

892
00:32:02,826 --> 00:32:05,011
That's wild. Okay. Well they always land
on their feet,

893
00:32:05,011 --> 00:32:06,014
right? That's the that's the thing.

894
00:32:06,014 --> 00:32:08,861
So so like on the textbook

895
00:32:08,861 --> 00:32:12,109
page for the home view, it show I see now,

896
00:32:10,474 --> 00:32:12,439
Yes, see, there you go,

897
00:32:12,109 --> 00:32:13,109
yeah.

898
00:32:12,439 --> 00:32:14,697
apps available from iPhone. Yeah.

899
00:32:15,348 --> 00:32:18,877
But that's lo Okay, sure. But they they've
yeah.

900
00:32:17,632 --> 00:32:18,933
So what does, you know, what

901
00:32:18,933 --> 00:32:23,528
does that logo mean? Is that the streaming
service or is that the Apple

902
00:32:23,528 --> 00:32:25,809
TV access to everything app?

903
00:32:25,850 --> 00:32:29,999
I I assume that they mean the Apple T V
app since it's listed where apps available

904
00:32:29,674 --> 00:32:30,674
Yeah.

905
00:32:29,999 --> 00:32:32,926
from the iPhone. Right? Like I assume that
that's what that means.

906
00:32:31,018 --> 00:32:33,025
Right, so you should be able to get
anything

907
00:32:33,025 --> 00:32:34,801
that you pipe through Apple

908
00:32:34,398 --> 00:32:35,398
Yeah.

909
00:32:34,801 --> 00:32:35,801
TV, including...

910
00:32:34,994 --> 00:32:35,994
Yeah, the same thing with the

911
00:32:35,855 --> 00:32:37,515
music app and the podcast app.

912
00:32:37,515 --> 00:32:38,515
Like the music app,

913
00:32:37,857 --> 00:32:38,857
Yeah.

914
00:32:38,238 --> 00:32:39,539
if you're not subscribed to Apple Music,

915
00:32:39,539 --> 00:32:40,539
I don't know what you can hear,

916
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:41,902
but there's the there's the app.

917
00:32:41,494 --> 00:32:42,494
So they did

918
00:32:42,165 --> 00:32:46,840
say that you'll be able to use like
Spotify or any third party audio

919
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,992
app that's currently supported by CarPlay.

920
00:32:48,992 --> 00:32:52,326
Third party audio and video, although they
pointed out there are

921
00:32:52,326 --> 00:32:54,859
no video apps currently supported by
CarPlay.

922
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:54,160
I was gonna say

923
00:32:55,388 --> 00:32:56,388
Which

924
00:32:55,841 --> 00:32:58,466
makes sense since, you know, your car is
not typically the place that

925
00:32:58,466 --> 00:32:59,466
you watch videos.

926
00:32:59,356 --> 00:33:00,356
No,

927
00:32:59,697 --> 00:33:00,699
but apparently that's something

928
00:33:00,328 --> 00:33:01,328
Yeah.

929
00:33:00,699 --> 00:33:03,524
they added at WWDC, the ability

930
00:33:02,803 --> 00:33:03,803
Yes.

931
00:33:03,524 --> 00:33:07,662
to do this. So in theory, like if you're
sitting at a soccer match,

932
00:33:07,662 --> 00:33:10,496
you could sit and lean back and watch TV.

933
00:33:09,097 --> 00:33:11,620
Yeah. Well, and my kids, my favorite

934
00:33:10,312 --> 00:33:11,312
Well if the

935
00:33:11,620 --> 00:33:14,383
feature in the Tesla is that you can watch
Netflix in the Tesla,

936
00:33:13,927 --> 00:33:16,519
Yes. Only when it's in

937
00:33:14,383 --> 00:33:15,714
but only when it's in park.

938
00:33:15,533 --> 00:33:16,711
It's in Puck, right?

939
00:33:16,519 --> 00:33:21,072
park. But if it's any indication how long
YouTube took to make a Vision Pro app,

940
00:33:21,072 --> 00:33:24,034
they probably will take a few years to
make a CarPlay app,

941
00:33:24,034 --> 00:33:25,665
I would think. So although

942
00:33:24,704 --> 00:33:25,704
Yeah, I said.

943
00:33:25,665 --> 00:33:29,797
it'd be nice, like the YouTube on the home
view for recipes for cooking.

944
00:33:29,797 --> 00:33:30,797
Anyway.

945
00:33:30,527 --> 00:33:32,368
Yeah, I do feel like YouTube is,

946
00:33:32,368 --> 00:33:34,868
but you could, I mean, you could go to
Safari and do it,

947
00:33:34,868 --> 00:33:35,868
but I can't imagine the

948
00:33:35,646 --> 00:33:39,708
Hmm. Yeah, not great. Yeah,

949
00:33:35,828 --> 00:33:36,828
experience is going to be great.

950
00:33:36,808 --> 00:33:41,048
So this is all stuff we will find out once
we get to play with it though,

951
00:33:39,708 --> 00:33:41,729
yeah, yeah. So we'll

952
00:33:41,048 --> 00:33:42,048
for sure.

953
00:33:41,729 --> 00:33:44,148
we'll yeah, we'll talk once it's in hand,

954
00:33:44,148 --> 00:33:46,871
maybe we could talk again. But I need to
get your opinion on

955
00:33:46,871 --> 00:33:50,772
the Apple Home Collection. Because this
was

956
00:33:51,126 --> 00:33:54,614
you rumored LG Schneider, all this stuff.

957
00:33:54,614 --> 00:33:58,956
I was actually just this morning looking
for what other home

958
00:33:58,956 --> 00:34:01,247
kit secure video cameras are available
today?

959
00:34:01,247 --> 00:34:02,437
And I don't know if you've noticed this,

960
00:34:02,437 --> 00:34:03,958
but it seems like there's less and less.

961
00:34:04,150 --> 00:34:05,367
Hardly any, yeah.

962
00:34:04,742 --> 00:34:05,742
Over time it's like

963
00:34:05,513 --> 00:34:09,245
Akkara and that's it. ~ I don't know why
like

964
00:34:08,705 --> 00:34:09,705
Eve.

965
00:34:09,606 --> 00:34:14,509
I know Eve is out there and like but Tapo
used to make a bunch more and ~ like

966
00:34:13,928 --> 00:34:15,180
Yuffie has a few.

967
00:34:16,110 --> 00:34:19,082
Yuffie has a few, but it's it was
unfortunate because I was trying

968
00:34:19,082 --> 00:34:23,406
to compare like price wise. But if you
just even we take Accara and Eve,

969
00:34:23,406 --> 00:34:25,997
~ and then for door locks like Schlag and
stuff,

970
00:34:25,997 --> 00:34:26,997
like

971
00:34:26,177 --> 00:34:27,177
Yeah.

972
00:34:26,858 --> 00:34:31,962
Apple Home Collection, do you feel like it
is a compelling collection?

973
00:34:32,392 --> 00:34:37,036
Like would you choose any of the Apple
home collection devices over some

974
00:34:37,036 --> 00:34:41,229
of the other ones? Because like I can get
an ACARA video doorbell that's

975
00:34:41,229 --> 00:34:45,072
two and a half K, home could secure video
for ninety nine dollars.

976
00:34:45,078 --> 00:34:46,078
Yeah.

977
00:34:45,872 --> 00:34:47,814
Or do I have to pay what is it,

978
00:34:47,532 --> 00:34:48,532
Have you seen

979
00:34:47,814 --> 00:34:48,814
two hundred?

980
00:34:48,373 --> 00:34:50,455
the look of the acara door bellow?

981
00:34:50,455 --> 00:34:53,239
It's

982
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:52,752
I have it I have it I have it

983
00:34:53,459 --> 00:34:55,922
like a giant Mars bar on your front door.

984
00:34:55,828 --> 00:34:56,828
Yeah.

985
00:34:56,194 --> 00:34:57,326
Listen, now wait

986
00:34:57,326 --> 00:35:00,959
a minute now wait a minute. Now you could
get the

987
00:34:59,318 --> 00:35:00,318
Ha ha ha ha!

988
00:35:00,959 --> 00:35:01,959
well wait, which

989
00:35:01,310 --> 00:35:02,310
Designed by

990
00:35:01,901 --> 00:35:04,093
a twenty year old single guy in Silicon
Valley,

991
00:35:04,093 --> 00:35:05,435
right? That's what she said. Okay.

992
00:35:04,306 --> 00:35:08,211
Yes, yes, yes. Sure.

993
00:35:05,114 --> 00:35:07,987
Well that one's designed in China but
yeah.

994
00:35:08,291 --> 00:35:11,935
Well well well hold up. 'Cause a car has
like a bunch of the video doorbells,

995
00:35:11,935 --> 00:35:12,935
and

996
00:35:12,181 --> 00:35:14,151
I know. So the difference

997
00:35:12,206 --> 00:35:13,988
one one of them is not good.

998
00:35:14,151 --> 00:35:18,182
here is the Apple polish. And I know
people are like,

999
00:35:18,182 --> 00:35:20,633
~ this was made by LG. No, no,

1000
00:35:20,633 --> 00:35:24,584
this was designed by Apple. They made that
very clear.

1001
00:35:22,804 --> 00:35:25,969
By Apple. This is the Akar one that I by
the Jen.

1002
00:35:24,584 --> 00:35:28,285
There you go. Yes. Doesn't it look like a
Mars bar?

1003
00:35:25,969 --> 00:35:26,969
Is this the you were talking about?

1004
00:35:26,887 --> 00:35:29,635
It's fine. It's fine.

1005
00:35:30,906 --> 00:35:35,307
It's really chunky. I actually did a
review of the three current doorbells that
have

1006
00:35:35,307 --> 00:35:39,608
AI text description recently, and I have
all three doorbells on my front door.

1007
00:35:39,608 --> 00:35:40,728
So they're next to each other.

1008
00:35:41,426 --> 00:35:42,876
And so there's the Google Nest,

1009
00:35:42,876 --> 00:35:47,758
the Ring 4K and the Acara. I love Acara
stuff,

1010
00:35:47,758 --> 00:35:48,758
it's great.

1011
00:35:48,158 --> 00:35:49,158
Yeah.

1012
00:35:48,798 --> 00:35:53,656
But it doesn't look good. They do not have
the design down for something that you're

1013
00:35:52,970 --> 00:35:54,395
Do you think the Apple home one looks
good?

1014
00:35:53,656 --> 00:35:54,656
gonna put.

1015
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,990
I do, and do you know what it doesn't have
on it?

1016
00:35:57,990 --> 00:36:00,141
And what none of their products have on?

1017
00:36:00,141 --> 00:36:05,633
Are logos. I'm like, hate

1018
00:36:00,628 --> 00:36:05,386
Logos, logos, sure. Now I was so this

1019
00:36:05,633 --> 00:36:07,763
logos on devices stuck in my home,

1020
00:36:07,763 --> 00:36:09,384
especially ones stuck on my front door.

1021
00:36:08,180 --> 00:36:10,247
Yeah. I get it.

1022
00:36:11,016 --> 00:36:14,697
It's not high tech, like it's not cutting
edge.

1023
00:36:14,697 --> 00:36:19,538
~ my goodness, the cat's back.

1024
00:36:16,862 --> 00:36:18,086
Yeah, I've been hearing the cat.

1025
00:36:18,086 --> 00:36:20,977
We need the home view to get the cat off
the thing,

1026
00:36:20,977 --> 00:36:21,977
yeah.

1027
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:26,811
It's not, ~ yeah, these aren't like really
tech forward devices that

1028
00:36:26,811 --> 00:36:31,942
do wild and weird things, but they did
nail all the basics,

1029
00:36:31,942 --> 00:36:35,103
I think. And the design,

1030
00:36:35,103 --> 00:36:38,544
it's high tech looking, but it's not
garish.

1031
00:36:38,984 --> 00:36:44,599
So I think it will appeal. do think it's
hard to get these devices to look good

1032
00:36:44,599 --> 00:36:48,452
in homes. So I like the fact that they
went with a cohesive look.

1033
00:36:48,452 --> 00:36:53,496
So if you buy them all, kind of have a
sort of a lot of money.

1034
00:36:50,570 --> 00:36:54,712
Sure. And spend two thousand dollars on
it's a lot of money.

1035
00:36:53,496 --> 00:36:54,908
It's

1036
00:36:54,908 --> 00:36:56,509
a lot. They are expensive. mean,

1037
00:36:56,509 --> 00:36:58,841
doorbells, as you said, you can buy for
$99 now.

1038
00:36:58,841 --> 00:37:00,452
So this one is absurdly expensive.

1039
00:37:00,452 --> 00:37:02,955
It does have two cameras. And I do

1040
00:37:02,504 --> 00:37:03,504
Yes.

1041
00:37:02,955 --> 00:37:05,727
really like the light, motion sensing
light.

1042
00:37:06,010 --> 00:37:07,010
okay.

1043
00:37:06,833 --> 00:37:10,372
Yeah, I think the cohesive look is the
selling point.

1044
00:37:10,372 --> 00:37:11,372
The

1045
00:37:10,711 --> 00:37:11,711
Right.

1046
00:37:11,153 --> 00:37:14,335
prices are a little crazy. They're kind of
like,

1047
00:37:14,335 --> 00:37:16,887
well, they're very similar to the Google
Nest products,

1048
00:37:16,887 --> 00:37:21,241
actually, price-wise. And you're also
getting,

1049
00:37:21,241 --> 00:37:25,384
and I kind of did a deep dive into all of
this the end of last week,

1050
00:37:25,384 --> 00:37:28,687
you're everything that Apple Home offers.

1051
00:37:29,144 --> 00:37:32,405
which is actually something that a lot of
products haven't adopted.

1052
00:37:32,405 --> 00:37:38,206
Acara is probably the best at bringing
most of the features that Apple Home
offers

1053
00:37:38,206 --> 00:37:43,527
in, but you do have like thermostats have
Apple Adaptive Temperature,

1054
00:37:43,527 --> 00:37:48,209
Clean Energy Guidance, the door lock has
UWB Hands Free,

1055
00:37:48,209 --> 00:37:51,149
which only two other door locks offer
right now.

1056
00:37:50,638 --> 00:37:53,090
Schlage and a cara, yeah. I have them
both.

1057
00:37:51,149 --> 00:37:54,450
So I kind of see them

1058
00:37:53,090 --> 00:37:54,090
So but

1059
00:37:54,450 --> 00:37:56,551
like almost like reference devices as
well.

1060
00:37:56,551 --> 00:37:57,971
Like this is what you can get.

1061
00:37:58,735 --> 00:37:59,775
with Apple homes,

1062
00:37:58,922 --> 00:37:59,922
What it

1063
00:37:59,995 --> 00:38:05,015
the complete experience. But they're very
expensive and they

1064
00:38:03,498 --> 00:38:04,536
They're expensive.

1065
00:38:05,015 --> 00:38:07,635
don't, I don't think the look is gonna
appeal to everyone,

1066
00:38:07,635 --> 00:38:10,695
but also if you don't like something
techie looking,

1067
00:38:10,695 --> 00:38:13,315
you don't really have many other options.

1068
00:38:13,315 --> 00:38:17,275
I was disappointed in the door lock that
it has such a big bulky back housing.

1069
00:38:17,275 --> 00:38:18,275
Why

1070
00:38:17,588 --> 00:38:18,588
Yes.

1071
00:38:18,255 --> 00:38:20,615
they didn't just do a level like thing,

1072
00:38:20,615 --> 00:38:23,575
know, and level was right there for them.

1073
00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:24,411
That was weird. ~ two

1074
00:38:23,809 --> 00:38:24,809
Yeah.

1075
00:38:24,572 --> 00:38:28,305
two questions. So on the LG video doorbell
specifically,

1076
00:38:28,305 --> 00:38:30,486
it has the two cameras, one's pointing
down,

1077
00:38:30,486 --> 00:38:34,279
one's pointing out. Does the one pointing
out,

1078
00:38:34,279 --> 00:38:35,279
is it

1079
00:38:34,649 --> 00:38:35,649
Move.

1080
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,402
vertical or horizontal in aspect ratio?

1081
00:38:38,255 --> 00:38:40,875
~ I thought you were going to ask.

1082
00:38:38,402 --> 00:38:42,015
Did they even show a live video feed for
it?

1083
00:38:40,875 --> 00:38:42,416
They did,

1084
00:38:44,043 --> 00:38:45,043
Because I have the

1085
00:38:44,277 --> 00:38:45,277
but they

1086
00:38:44,707 --> 00:38:50,579
showed it of the package. They didn't show
it of a person when I saw a demo.

1087
00:38:48,085 --> 00:38:54,888
Right. Because that would that would be
cool because landscape.

1088
00:38:50,579 --> 00:38:56,601
So I'm guessing the top one is landscape
and the bottom

1089
00:38:54,888 --> 00:38:58,350
Yeah. Okay.

1090
00:38:56,641 --> 00:38:59,112
is vertical because you're just looking
straight down.

1091
00:38:58,350 --> 00:39:02,471
That's a genuinely new and different
feature because

1092
00:38:59,112 --> 00:39:00,112
Yeah.

1093
00:39:02,491 --> 00:39:04,872
most video doorbells have to go with the
tall,

1094
00:39:04,872 --> 00:39:05,872
ultra wide

1095
00:39:05,113 --> 00:39:06,113
that kind of,

1096
00:39:05,733 --> 00:39:06,733
view.

1097
00:39:06,064 --> 00:39:11,507
yeah, and it gives you that sort of
slightly distorted fish eye type lens
look.

1098
00:39:09,611 --> 00:39:11,890
Yeah. Right.

1099
00:39:11,507 --> 00:39:12,507
And

1100
00:39:11,955 --> 00:39:16,331
actually the wide, cause most originally
doorbells did the wide aspect ratio.

1101
00:39:16,125 --> 00:39:19,457
Right. Can't see the packages,

1102
00:39:16,331 --> 00:39:19,793
And then people, then they realized people
want to see the packages on the porch.

1103
00:39:19,457 --> 00:39:20,457
yeah.

1104
00:39:20,033 --> 00:39:23,866
But yeah, the wide aspect ratio is
actually better for security because

1105
00:39:23,866 --> 00:39:28,479
you see more of people coming from side to
side and see more of your front door.

1106
00:39:28,479 --> 00:39:30,530
So yeah, that the combination is useful.

1107
00:39:30,530 --> 00:39:33,052
mean, Eufy had a doorbell that does the
two,

1108
00:39:33,052 --> 00:39:34,233
that has the two cameras in.

1109
00:39:34,673 --> 00:39:35,673
~

1110
00:39:34,677 --> 00:39:35,677
Right.

1111
00:39:35,294 --> 00:39:41,030
But yeah, this is a much sleeker looking
device and it has a little mount

1112
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:43,744
on the back so it's actually sticking out
from your house.

1113
00:39:43,744 --> 00:39:45,365
It's not flush on your

1114
00:39:44,580 --> 00:39:45,580
~ okay.

1115
00:39:45,826 --> 00:39:50,972
wall. But $250 is a lot and it's only 2.5,

1116
00:39:49,654 --> 00:39:53,365
It's a lot. Okay, so that that's the other
thing I wanted to say.

1117
00:39:50,972 --> 00:39:53,255
which was a surprise.

1118
00:39:53,365 --> 00:39:54,365
L Jen, this

1119
00:39:54,236 --> 00:39:58,517
is driving me insane because we have asked
for HomeKit Secure Video higher

1120
00:39:58,517 --> 00:40:00,197
resolutions for years.

1121
00:40:00,207 --> 00:40:01,207
Yeah.

1122
00:40:00,698 --> 00:40:04,529
And Apple at WWDC announced four K HomeKit

1123
00:40:03,437 --> 00:40:04,437
Okay.

1124
00:40:04,529 --> 00:40:08,680
Secure Video and then their first foray
back into the smart home,

1125
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,761
they released a two and a half K camera.

1126
00:40:11,274 --> 00:40:14,062
So do you think maybe this has been a
development for two years as well

1127
00:40:14,062 --> 00:40:15,062
and they just...

1128
00:40:14,221 --> 00:40:16,573
~ sure. But here's

1129
00:40:16,573 --> 00:40:18,424
and here's my other question if you have
any inside knowledge.

1130
00:40:18,424 --> 00:40:22,568
I don't know because the Apple four K Home
Kitscure video,

1131
00:40:22,568 --> 00:40:24,069
I've talked to several brands,

1132
00:40:24,069 --> 00:40:27,992
and all of them say that their current
cameras on the market will

1133
00:40:27,992 --> 00:40:30,254
not support the higher resolution in Home
Secure Video.

1134
00:40:30,254 --> 00:40:32,716
I don't know why this can't just be a
feature update because

1135
00:40:32,836 --> 00:40:36,799
my Accara video doorbell is two and a half
K in the Accara app.

1136
00:40:36,799 --> 00:40:37,799
And

1137
00:40:36,996 --> 00:40:37,996
Yeah.

1138
00:40:37,500 --> 00:40:40,502
if maybe it's a play that they want you to
pay for the Accara subscription

1139
00:40:40,502 --> 00:40:43,885
and not Home Kitscure video, but why why
no four K?

1140
00:40:44,267 --> 00:40:46,409
That's my qu do you have any idea why no
four K anywhere?

1141
00:40:46,896 --> 00:40:51,839
So Apple released a new HomeKit Secure
Video spec at WWDC.

1142
00:40:51,839 --> 00:40:57,462
And that is the spec they have to adopt in
order to enable the 4K.

1143
00:40:58,006 --> 00:40:59,006
Okay.

1144
00:40:58,422 --> 00:41:02,164
And I don't know enough about the
development process of camera

1145
00:41:02,245 --> 00:41:06,187
to understand whether that maybe is
something that they just can't
retroactively

1146
00:41:06,407 --> 00:41:08,528
do or whether they're just, well,

1147
00:41:08,528 --> 00:41:12,530
this is a new feature we could add and get
more people to buy us new cameras.

1148
00:41:12,530 --> 00:41:15,012
And so we're going to do this going down
the road.

1149
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:19,431
I would be surprised if it was the latter.

1150
00:41:19,431 --> 00:41:24,333
I think most companies would want to add
value to their existing products,

1151
00:41:24,333 --> 00:41:25,512
the ones that are in this space,

1152
00:41:25,512 --> 00:41:27,485
because there's only a couple of them that
really offer.

1153
00:41:27,031 --> 00:41:28,031
Right.

1154
00:41:28,985 --> 00:41:33,687
But no, don't know exactly. I don't have
any inside knowledge in terms of why

1155
00:41:33,229 --> 00:41:34,229
Mm.

1156
00:41:34,107 --> 00:41:37,449
Apple did this. do think, and I did say
this in my piece last week,

1157
00:41:37,449 --> 00:41:39,489
and this is entirely speculation,

1158
00:41:39,489 --> 00:41:44,291
but you know the matter camera spec is
basically built on HomeKit Secure Video.

1159
00:41:44,291 --> 00:41:45,552
It's the same idea.

1160
00:41:46,028 --> 00:41:52,157
I honestly think these cameras will
probably support matter

1161
00:41:51,788 --> 00:41:52,788
Matter?

1162
00:41:52,938 --> 00:41:54,440
down the line. They have thread.

1163
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:55,622
They

1164
00:41:55,543 --> 00:41:56,543
They have thread

1165
00:41:55,622 --> 00:41:56,622
have...

1166
00:41:56,204 --> 00:42:00,060
and they don't support 'cause Apple Home
doesn't support matter cameras right

1167
00:42:00,060 --> 00:42:01,060
now at all.

1168
00:42:00,895 --> 00:42:05,166
No, because there are a few things in the
matter camera spec that don't line

1169
00:42:05,166 --> 00:42:06,697
up with HomeKit secure video yet,

1170
00:42:06,697 --> 00:42:11,488
but I think they're still being developed.

1171
00:42:11,488 --> 00:42:12,488
I

1172
00:42:11,735 --> 00:42:12,735
Mm-hmm.

1173
00:42:12,739 --> 00:42:18,090
do think that, and then if there's support
for matter cameras,

1174
00:42:18,090 --> 00:42:22,111
then obviously you could use these in
other ecosystems and it gives more
flexibility

1175
00:42:22,111 --> 00:42:27,213
and also means there'll be more cameras
that would work with HomeKit in the
future.

1176
00:42:26,999 --> 00:42:27,999
That's

1177
00:42:27,281 --> 00:42:28,297
true. That's true.

1178
00:42:28,065 --> 00:42:29,065
So

1179
00:42:28,535 --> 00:42:30,147
I think it's a watch this space thing.

1180
00:42:30,147 --> 00:42:32,799
But right now, if you want the whole
experience,

1181
00:42:32,799 --> 00:42:37,173
the Apple Home collection. I mean,

1182
00:42:36,973 --> 00:42:37,973
Expensive.

1183
00:42:37,173 --> 00:42:38,173
if you're

1184
00:42:38,154 --> 00:42:41,467
a Silicon Valley family setting up your
first home,

1185
00:42:41,467 --> 00:42:42,968
there you go. You just

1186
00:42:42,323 --> 00:42:43,323
Sure.

1187
00:42:43,168 --> 00:42:45,160
click buy. I mean, that's what it's for,

1188
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:46,771
right? It's all in one.

1189
00:42:45,974 --> 00:42:46,974
Yeah.

1190
00:42:46,975 --> 00:42:51,725
I feel like the packaging is for a very
select market.

1191
00:42:51,725 --> 00:42:55,789
The individual devices, I think I could
see the door lock being popular.

1192
00:42:56,143 --> 00:43:01,413
~ because it's UWB, ~ which I think is big
selling point.

1193
00:43:01,413 --> 00:43:03,418
If you haven't tried UWB, Jason yet,

1194
00:43:03,418 --> 00:43:04,418
you need to try it.

1195
00:43:05,621 --> 00:43:06,760
It's good. It is good.

1196
00:43:07,553 --> 00:43:08,553
Well,

1197
00:43:08,053 --> 00:43:09,814
my the thing I keep thinking, okay,

1198
00:43:09,814 --> 00:43:14,856
so I I mean, I get it. All the extr all
the home collection devices look great.

1199
00:43:14,856 --> 00:43:17,737
I I and I know why Apple had to have
something,

1200
00:43:17,737 --> 00:43:20,678
because if they're going to convince you
to buy this as your centerpiece,

1201
00:43:20,678 --> 00:43:22,798
then there have to be accessories
available,

1202
00:43:22,798 --> 00:43:24,309
right? And like w

1203
00:43:22,989 --> 00:43:24,075
Right, exactly.

1204
00:43:24,309 --> 00:43:28,570
I mean, we're like I think we're actually
fairly normal in the sense that like

1205
00:43:28,570 --> 00:43:30,321
we have some Google stuff, we have a

1206
00:43:30,434 --> 00:43:33,085
Some echoes, but th literally the only
reason we have Echo Dots is because

1207
00:43:33,085 --> 00:43:35,656
we have the LED ones and th those are
alarm clocks for our kids.

1208
00:43:35,656 --> 00:43:36,656
Like we didn't

1209
00:43:35,758 --> 00:43:36,758
Yeah.

1210
00:43:36,306 --> 00:43:37,357
buy them because we're like, hmm,

1211
00:43:37,357 --> 00:43:40,218
which smart home system should we be in,

1212
00:43:40,218 --> 00:43:43,329
right? And then in my office Yeah,

1213
00:43:40,685 --> 00:43:42,987
Yeah, and you probably got them for 25
bucks too.

1214
00:43:42,987 --> 00:43:46,161
Yeah. Yeah.

1215
00:43:43,329 --> 00:43:45,340
they're cheaper than air they're cheaper
than air tags,

1216
00:43:45,340 --> 00:43:47,611
I was thinking. I bet I got four of them
for a hundred bucks,

1217
00:43:47,611 --> 00:43:48,611
right? But

1218
00:43:48,501 --> 00:43:50,562
in like in my b when I did my office,

1219
00:43:50,562 --> 00:43:52,763
Steven told me to put in Lutron switches.

1220
00:43:52,763 --> 00:43:54,863
So I did, so I can control those things.

1221
00:43:54,863 --> 00:43:57,464
So I and it doesn't bother me to have
three different systems in

1222
00:43:57,464 --> 00:43:59,105
our house because we never like

1223
00:43:59,475 --> 00:44:03,688
all the ~ echoes are on home or on kid
mode so they won't shout ads at

1224
00:44:03,688 --> 00:44:05,289
us all the time, right? Like anyway,

1225
00:44:05,289 --> 00:44:07,371
so but I think for a lot of people,

1226
00:44:07,371 --> 00:44:11,074
the idea that they're going to start with
a home view and then they're going

1227
00:44:11,074 --> 00:44:13,195
to spend an extra whatever you said,

1228
00:44:13,195 --> 00:44:16,107
two thousand dollars to buy all these if
you've already got a ring doorbell

1229
00:44:16,107 --> 00:44:17,538
or if you've already got these things,

1230
00:44:17,538 --> 00:44:18,538
it kind of

1231
00:44:17,988 --> 00:44:18,988
Yeah.

1232
00:44:18,359 --> 00:44:22,772
feels like Apple approached this from like
the opposite direction.

1233
00:44:22,772 --> 00:44:26,155
Like the home device everybody wanted is
please just make a router again.

1234
00:44:26,656 --> 00:44:32,134
I know, I know. I even wrote that article
and I'm like,

1235
00:44:26,827 --> 00:44:29,569
Like just make a router and then go from
there.

1236
00:44:29,569 --> 00:44:30,569
And it seems like they're like,

1237
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:36,385
no, no, no. Yeah. It's like they have this
entire system.

1238
00:44:32,134 --> 00:44:37,451
yes, please, Apple, fix the problems.

1239
00:44:36,385 --> 00:44:38,507
So my I'm curious though.

1240
00:44:39,147 --> 00:44:43,251
Everything about the home view to me feels
like the Vision Pro.

1241
00:44:43,251 --> 00:44:44,892
Like I even I said that already once.

1242
00:44:44,892 --> 00:44:47,965
It and it feels I know,

1243
00:44:45,648 --> 00:44:46,648
It's not $3,000, Jason.

1244
00:44:47,965 --> 00:44:49,356
but compared to

1245
00:44:49,356 --> 00:44:51,698
some of its competitors, it is a lot,

1246
00:44:51,698 --> 00:44:55,481
right? It is more than what most people
are thinking they're going to spend.

1247
00:44:55,777 --> 00:44:58,473
Because you then also have to spend a lot
of money on all the things

1248
00:44:58,473 --> 00:45:01,470
to make it worthwhile. No one's gonna put
this on the counter just for recipes.

1249
00:45:01,470 --> 00:45:02,470
Like that's

1250
00:45:01,925 --> 00:45:02,925
Yeah.

1251
00:45:02,332 --> 00:45:03,895
insane, right? Like I'm not wrong,

1252
00:45:03,895 --> 00:45:04,895
am I?

1253
00:45:04,500 --> 00:45:05,500
No.

1254
00:45:06,448 --> 00:45:09,540
I think the two use cases that they pushed
it for,

1255
00:45:09,540 --> 00:45:14,012
which is ~ entertainment and

1256
00:45:14,613 --> 00:45:18,074
the personal family management side.

1257
00:45:18,074 --> 00:45:20,676
You can do all of that without smart home
devices.

1258
00:45:20,676 --> 00:45:25,158
But the video doorbell I could see being
the biggest reason to,

1259
00:45:25,158 --> 00:45:29,070
mean, the video, that's the only thing
that Apple doesn't have currently

1260
00:45:29,070 --> 00:45:30,721
in the home, as we discussed earlier,

1261
00:45:30,721 --> 00:45:34,683
that you can easily view your video
doorbell when someone rings

1262
00:45:34,683 --> 00:45:35,683
the doorbell through.

1263
00:45:35,946 --> 00:45:38,877
The Apple TV works, but then you have to
be in the living room where your Apple

1264
00:45:38,877 --> 00:45:41,199
TV is, or it has to be on. So

1265
00:45:40,619 --> 00:45:41,619
Yeah, yeah.

1266
00:45:41,199 --> 00:45:43,911
I think the video doorbell and probably
the door lock are the

1267
00:45:43,911 --> 00:45:45,502
two biggest selling points here.

1268
00:45:45,502 --> 00:45:48,404
And I agree, if you have a ring doorbell,

1269
00:45:48,404 --> 00:45:50,285
you're probably not swapping it out for
this.

1270
00:45:50,285 --> 00:45:52,846
If you don't have a video doorbell though,

1271
00:45:52,846 --> 00:45:55,048
this might convince you to get one,

1272
00:45:55,048 --> 00:45:59,771
I think is Apple's play. For the...

1273
00:45:56,647 --> 00:46:00,069
six hundred dollars for the display and
the video

1274
00:45:59,094 --> 00:46:00,206
Total, total and

1275
00:46:00,069 --> 00:46:01,069
dormo.

1276
00:46:00,206 --> 00:46:01,206
the doorbell.

1277
00:46:00,227 --> 00:46:01,808
The combination, yeah.

1278
00:46:01,948 --> 00:46:03,658
Well, if you buy this and then you're
like,

1279
00:46:03,658 --> 00:46:05,061
~ what else can it do? I mean,

1280
00:46:05,061 --> 00:46:08,914
that's how the Echo took off is people
bought these Echo smart speakers

1281
00:46:09,094 --> 00:46:10,555
and were like, ~ this is neat,

1282
00:46:10,555 --> 00:46:12,357
I wanna do more. And then

1283
00:46:12,032 --> 00:46:13,032
Mm.

1284
00:46:12,357 --> 00:46:15,633
they went and bought smart bulbs or then
they went and bought a smart thermostat,

1285
00:46:15,633 --> 00:46:17,181
because then they could control it with
their voice.

1286
00:46:17,181 --> 00:46:21,524
Like that was how the Echo became a
popular device originally.

1287
00:46:21,524 --> 00:46:24,687
So yes, Apple is quite late to this game,

1288
00:46:24,687 --> 00:46:29,691
but as I said earlier, there's still a
large slice of people that have not even

1289
00:46:29,953 --> 00:46:33,305
stepped into the smart home for various
reasons.

1290
00:46:33,305 --> 00:46:36,747
think cost is a big one. Not seeing the
value,

1291
00:46:36,747 --> 00:46:40,149
like any benefit is the leading reason.

1292
00:46:40,149 --> 00:46:42,500
And I think here with this device,

1293
00:46:42,500 --> 00:46:43,821
Apple is trying to say, here, look,

1294
00:46:43,821 --> 00:46:46,352
here's what you can do. Here's the
benefit.

1295
00:46:46,352 --> 00:46:48,273
I don't know if it's gonna be successful.

1296
00:46:48,273 --> 00:46:50,675
think, I don't think you're wrong,

1297
00:46:50,675 --> 00:46:54,166
Jason, in the Vision Pro comparison in
terms of whether this could potentially

1298
00:46:54,166 --> 00:46:58,599
be a flop because people just don't
understand why they want it or the
people...

1299
00:46:59,083 --> 00:47:02,886
who wanted it now don't want it because
it's not what they were expecting

1300
00:47:03,227 --> 00:47:05,048
and the people they're selling it to,

1301
00:47:05,048 --> 00:47:07,090
are they going to really understand the
value?

1302
00:47:07,090 --> 00:47:10,252
I mean, this is one of the hardest things
about the smart home is trying

1303
00:47:10,553 --> 00:47:15,323
to explain to people what the benefits
are.

1304
00:47:15,323 --> 00:47:18,899
I mean, it's my entire job ~ and I tell
you it's hard.

1305
00:47:17,632 --> 00:47:18,673
Ha ha ha.

1306
00:47:18,887 --> 00:47:21,971
It's good for you that it's difficult
because they are going to keep paying

1307
00:47:18,899 --> 00:47:22,923
It's good for me, it's difficult.

1308
00:47:21,971 --> 00:47:22,971
you forever.

1309
00:47:22,923 --> 00:47:25,765
But I think the

1310
00:47:23,116 --> 00:47:25,660
Employed forever. That's it. Yeah.

1311
00:47:25,765 --> 00:47:27,767
price point could be at Xavier.

1312
00:47:28,308 --> 00:47:29,308
Yeah,

1313
00:47:28,558 --> 00:47:29,558
The price

1314
00:47:28,593 --> 00:47:29,593
yeah.

1315
00:47:28,918 --> 00:47:30,448
point could be at Saving Grace.

1316
00:47:30,448 --> 00:47:32,209
It's cheaper than I was expecting.

1317
00:47:32,209 --> 00:47:35,010
I don't know it's going to stay cheap.

1318
00:47:35,010 --> 00:47:37,110
So I genuinely think if you're interested,

1319
00:47:37,110 --> 00:47:41,781
you might want to buy it now while they
clear out the warehouse of two years worth

1320
00:47:41,204 --> 00:47:42,204
Mm.

1321
00:47:41,781 --> 00:47:46,553
that apparently they had, because I could
see this getting more expensive.

1322
00:47:46,553 --> 00:47:51,334
But I think the price point is compelling
for families having this little,

1323
00:47:51,334 --> 00:47:53,324
it's a beautiful photo frame too.

1324
00:47:53,324 --> 00:47:55,435
mean, people spend a lot of money on those
auras.

1325
00:47:55,435 --> 00:47:56,435
Those are expensive.

1326
00:47:57,056 --> 00:47:58,109
and it has the exact same

1327
00:47:57,158 --> 00:47:58,158
I'm yeah.

1328
00:47:58,109 --> 00:47:59,109
features.

1329
00:47:59,509 --> 00:48:02,011
The one my last question, 'cause I know
you gotta go.

1330
00:48:02,011 --> 00:48:05,693
I'm trying to figure out where I'm gonna
put it because

1331
00:48:05,262 --> 00:48:06,262
Yeah.

1332
00:48:05,693 --> 00:48:08,004
we have an island and unlike Apple's
video,

1333
00:48:08,004 --> 00:48:09,755
I'm not gonna drill a hole in the granite.

1334
00:48:09,755 --> 00:48:10,755
But any

1335
00:48:10,201 --> 00:48:11,221
People do actually

1336
00:48:11,221 --> 00:48:12,802
have outlets in their islands,

1337
00:48:12,802 --> 00:48:16,804
I have to say. Yeah,

1338
00:48:13,004 --> 00:48:16,126
Well and I have Alet in the I like in the
middle of it though?

1339
00:48:16,804 --> 00:48:20,656
I've seen that. You have like a little
thing that comes up with all the outlets
on.

1340
00:48:20,656 --> 00:48:24,331
~ anyway. Yeah.

1341
00:48:21,418 --> 00:48:23,649
Like the Apple store tables where you like
wave your hand and then

1342
00:48:23,649 --> 00:48:25,721
the thing rolls up. But I like where

1343
00:48:25,721 --> 00:48:28,753
it 'cause if I put it where the outlets
are around the counters,

1344
00:48:28,753 --> 00:48:31,314
it's not near the stove where you would
want to use it to cook.

1345
00:48:31,437 --> 00:48:32,437
I know.

1346
00:48:32,175 --> 00:48:34,827
And if you want to put it like we have a
home pod mini in the kitchen,

1347
00:48:34,827 --> 00:48:38,369
but it's on a little shelf like kinda off
to the side and you wanna be able

1348
00:48:37,815 --> 00:48:41,207
And is it white or black? Is

1349
00:48:38,369 --> 00:48:41,361
to see stuff. White. I have a white home
pod mini.

1350
00:48:41,207 --> 00:48:45,060
it now off white?

1351
00:48:41,361 --> 00:48:45,564
Well, it's far enough where it's not it's
still white.

1352
00:48:45,060 --> 00:48:46,060
My

1353
00:48:45,780 --> 00:48:49,343
white HomePod is gross because it was in

1354
00:48:48,382 --> 00:48:49,382
I'm sure we'll be yeah.

1355
00:48:49,343 --> 00:48:50,845
the kitchen and it got all greasy.

1356
00:48:50,845 --> 00:48:53,717
So I do like that this is aluminum because
you can

1357
00:48:51,328 --> 00:48:53,695
Right. True.

1358
00:48:53,717 --> 00:48:57,119
wipe it clean. I think that's something
I've really struggled with with kitchen

1359
00:48:57,119 --> 00:49:01,612
devices. They're so gross. I'm putting it
next to my stove.

1360
00:48:57,846 --> 00:48:59,720
So have you decided where you're gonna put
it?

1361
00:48:59,720 --> 00:49:01,143
Like do you have you spotted out your
spot?

1362
00:49:01,143 --> 00:49:03,948
Okay. Okay.

1363
00:49:01,612 --> 00:49:03,253
I have outlets right next to my stove.

1364
00:49:03,253 --> 00:49:04,253
That's where I want

1365
00:49:03,984 --> 00:49:05,235
to do it. ~

1366
00:49:05,311 --> 00:49:06,311
Okay.

1367
00:49:05,347 --> 00:49:06,347
But

1368
00:49:05,707 --> 00:49:08,468
the downside of that, and this is probably
to your point,

1369
00:49:08,468 --> 00:49:14,071
is then the interaction by the rest of the
family won't work because they don't come

1370
00:49:14,071 --> 00:49:19,033
to the stove. So I might have to do like a

1371
00:49:15,115 --> 00:49:16,529
~

1372
00:49:15,924 --> 00:49:18,209
Right. You just gotta put one on the wall,

1373
00:49:18,209 --> 00:49:19,209
one on the stove.

1374
00:49:19,033 --> 00:49:22,004
week by the stove and then a week in my
other

1375
00:49:21,548 --> 00:49:22,548
Yeah, yeah.

1376
00:49:22,004 --> 00:49:23,455
spot where I put the smart displays,

1377
00:49:23,455 --> 00:49:25,025
which is on the kitchen counters.

1378
00:49:25,025 --> 00:49:27,336
But I have a long counter like this with a
wall,

1379
00:49:27,336 --> 00:49:30,958
so it'll go by the wall. And that's where
my kids,

1380
00:49:30,958 --> 00:49:32,939
the Google Nest Hub Max, they would watch.

1381
00:49:33,274 --> 00:49:37,147
Teen Titans go until one day it decided to
just only play in Spanish.

1382
00:49:37,147 --> 00:49:44,022
So we had to stop. But yeah,

1383
00:49:38,676 --> 00:49:40,685
It's a feature. It's a feature.

1384
00:49:40,685 --> 00:49:43,396
Sponsored by Duolingo. ~ that's it.

1385
00:49:42,059 --> 00:49:44,532
Yeah. Stephen, you know

1386
00:49:43,396 --> 00:49:44,396
well

1387
00:49:44,022 --> 00:49:45,022
placement's

1388
00:49:44,844 --> 00:49:46,453
going to be an issue for a lot of people,

1389
00:49:46,197 --> 00:49:47,197
Yeah, yeah.

1390
00:49:46,453 --> 00:49:47,453
I think.

1391
00:49:46,813 --> 00:49:49,675
Like, where is this a good spot that's not
going to get knocked off?

1392
00:49:50,274 --> 00:49:51,274
You

1393
00:49:50,384 --> 00:49:53,538
know, Steven, the device I hear that's
really good for cooking is the Vision Pro.

1394
00:49:53,538 --> 00:49:58,364
I'm just I'm just kidding. I'm just
kidding I'm just kidding I'm just kidding.

1395
00:49:55,167 --> 00:49:58,448
timers every every pot. Jen, I just before
you go,

1396
00:49:55,626 --> 00:49:56,731
Don't do that!

1397
00:49:58,448 --> 00:49:59,448
I just

1398
00:49:59,048 --> 00:50:00,048
want to show you one last thing.

1399
00:49:59,958 --> 00:50:01,849
I was inspired by HomeView and I didn't
want to wait.

1400
00:50:01,849 --> 00:50:07,451
So I vibe coded ~ a new iPad app that lets
me put ~ home view widgets

1401
00:50:04,683 --> 00:50:07,791
Look at that! That's fantastic.

1402
00:50:07,831 --> 00:50:11,532
and live camera view and you can fit more
than nine widgets.

1403
00:50:11,532 --> 00:50:14,873
So ~ so anyway. Yeah.

1404
00:50:11,639 --> 00:50:15,317
You can. And does that just stay or you
have to swipe to get to it?

1405
00:50:15,993 --> 00:50:17,684
No, well it's an app, so it'll just stay,

1406
00:50:17,504 --> 00:50:18,504
Okay.

1407
00:50:17,684 --> 00:50:18,684
but you

1408
00:50:17,944 --> 00:50:21,675
can also swipe for multiple pages of
controls.

1409
00:50:21,675 --> 00:50:22,675
So I

1410
00:50:21,783 --> 00:50:22,783
Okay, so now

1411
00:50:22,554 --> 00:50:25,666
we didn't answer your teaser question and
I have like two more minutes.

1412
00:50:25,666 --> 00:50:26,796
Why

1413
00:50:25,737 --> 00:50:26,737
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1414
00:50:26,796 --> 00:50:28,408
should this not just be an iPad?

1415
00:50:28,408 --> 00:50:32,460
Jason, you think this should have just
been an iPad,

1416
00:50:30,655 --> 00:50:34,209
Listen, I didn't Well, I don't think I
said that specifically.

1417
00:50:32,460 --> 00:50:37,074
right? Everyone on the internet has been
saying that.

1418
00:50:34,209 --> 00:50:37,784
What I think I said was what I think is
well,

1419
00:50:34,399 --> 00:50:35,399
No, no.

1420
00:50:37,784 --> 00:50:39,065
although the pixel tablet with the base

1421
00:50:39,065 --> 00:50:40,908
stand is actually kinda nice. I have one
right there.

1422
00:50:40,908 --> 00:50:43,531
But like I just think most of the things
you could they didn't make

1423
00:50:43,531 --> 00:50:45,984
a compelling case for anything you could
do on this other than the home

1424
00:50:45,984 --> 00:50:48,867
kit secure video, which doesn't bother me
at all because I don't have any of that,

1425
00:50:48,867 --> 00:50:49,867
that you couldn't just do on your

1426
00:50:49,303 --> 00:50:50,303
Yeah,

1427
00:50:49,788 --> 00:50:50,788
iPhone or your iPhone.

1428
00:50:50,704 --> 00:50:54,326
yeah, yeah. And I totally get that
argument.

1429
00:50:54,326 --> 00:50:59,370
And if you have your needs fully met by
those two devices,

1430
00:50:59,370 --> 00:51:04,513
great. But to me, I think when the iPad
came out,

1431
00:51:04,513 --> 00:51:06,665
that was an argument, was like,

1432
00:51:06,665 --> 00:51:10,507
why I can't do anything on this that I
can't do on my iPhone other than it's just

1433
00:51:10,507 --> 00:51:12,659
a slightly bigger screen. So I just,

1434
00:51:12,659 --> 00:51:18,733
feel like this device is another interface
for interacting with devices and apps.

1435
00:51:19,191 --> 00:51:24,034
some apps, limited number of apps that you
use on your phone or your iPad,

1436
00:51:24,034 --> 00:51:28,616
but you don't want to be always pulling
your phone out or pulling your iPad out

1437
00:51:28,097 --> 00:51:29,097
Yeah.

1438
00:51:28,796 --> 00:51:32,598
in this setting, in the kitchen or in your
bedroom,

1439
00:51:32,598 --> 00:51:35,360
not having to have your iPhone in your
bedroom.

1440
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,081
Like some people don't want their iPhones
in their bedrooms.

1441
00:51:38,081 --> 00:51:39,081
This gives you

1442
00:51:38,795 --> 00:51:39,795
That's true.

1443
00:51:39,302 --> 00:51:42,984
most of the basics you might still want
without having to have your phone,

1444
00:51:42,984 --> 00:51:45,585
without access to TikTok, without

1445
00:51:45,250 --> 00:51:46,250
Yeah.

1446
00:51:45,585 --> 00:51:47,907
access to Candy Crush. And then,

1447
00:51:47,907 --> 00:51:48,907
know,

1448
00:51:48,452 --> 00:51:49,613
this is what Apple's all about,

1449
00:51:49,613 --> 00:51:52,974
right? More screens to do the things you
want to do.

1450
00:51:52,974 --> 00:51:57,927
So it seems like a natural extension to me
of something where you've got a screen,

1451
00:51:57,927 --> 00:52:00,489
you can do everything you already did on
other devices,

1452
00:52:00,489 --> 00:52:04,181
but it's a different interface and it is
always plugged in,

1453
00:52:04,586 --> 00:52:05,586
Right.

1454
00:52:04,961 --> 00:52:09,143
it is always accessible, and it isn't in a
drawer or under the couch.

1455
00:52:09,143 --> 00:52:12,685
And there's no battery that's

1456
00:52:10,099 --> 00:52:12,554
And if there's no battery that swells if
it's plugged in.

1457
00:52:12,685 --> 00:52:15,347
gonna die. ~ So...

1458
00:52:15,989 --> 00:52:20,001
It's the always on, always accessible
element to it is something that neither

1459
00:52:20,001 --> 00:52:23,704
of those two devices offer. And I think
that is a selling point for this.

1460
00:52:23,704 --> 00:52:26,717
If that's a use case that you have come
across where you're like,

1461
00:52:26,717 --> 00:52:30,109
~ I want to change the thermostat and my
phone's dead.

1462
00:52:30,109 --> 00:52:32,711
Okay, yes, you can get up and go and do it
on the wall.

1463
00:52:32,049 --> 00:52:33,631
And it has fast user switching.

1464
00:52:32,711 --> 00:52:36,033
And it has fast user switching.

1465
00:52:33,631 --> 00:52:37,746
The iPad does not. Yes.

1466
00:52:34,323 --> 00:52:37,521
And fast user switching. It's the only
Apple device with it.

1467
00:52:36,033 --> 00:52:39,085
That the multi-user

1468
00:52:39,085 --> 00:52:42,708
device is obviously, and maybe they'll
bring that to the iPad and maybe you'll

1469
00:52:42,168 --> 00:52:43,168
That would be amazing.

1470
00:52:42,708 --> 00:52:43,708
be able to...

1471
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:47,401
skin your iPad and into a home view down
the line.

1472
00:52:47,401 --> 00:52:49,682
the

1473
00:52:48,459 --> 00:52:49,459
Be nice.

1474
00:52:49,682 --> 00:52:53,614
multi-user switching will be definitely
feels like a selling point because

1475
00:52:53,614 --> 00:52:56,165
especially for families that don't
necessarily want iPads,

1476
00:52:56,165 --> 00:53:01,338
you've got a device that's a multi-user
device in your home.

1477
00:53:01,338 --> 00:53:05,381
So ~ yes, can you do everything on this
that you can do on your iPhone

1478
00:53:05,381 --> 00:53:08,973
and your iPad? Yeah, you can.

1479
00:53:08,973 --> 00:53:11,934
I can see, I definitely understand that
argument,

1480
00:53:11,934 --> 00:53:13,355
but I also just feel like

1481
00:53:13,475 --> 00:53:16,937
This is a screen that people, especially
families or a household,

1482
00:53:16,937 --> 00:53:21,658
will find some use for, but I think it's
gonna be like most smart displays.

1483
00:53:21,658 --> 00:53:24,121
You will find one or two things that you
use this for,

1484
00:53:24,121 --> 00:53:25,872
and that's pretty much all you do.

1485
00:53:25,872 --> 00:53:30,654
Or you won't find a use at all and you'll
send it back.

1486
00:53:30,654 --> 00:53:32,375
So it's because every home is different,

1487
00:53:32,375 --> 00:53:34,026
and this is the challenge with a smart
home,

1488
00:53:34,026 --> 00:53:39,409
finding use cases that are gonna work for
you regularly enough for you

1489
00:53:39,409 --> 00:53:42,541
to want to invest in it. So that's gonna
be the...

1490
00:53:42,713 --> 00:53:47,282
the whether this thing sinks or swims is
if those use cases really

1491
00:53:47,282 --> 00:53:50,419
do come across once you get them in your
home and start playing with it.

1492
00:53:51,115 --> 00:53:52,256
Well, I'm excited to get three of them.

1493
00:53:52,256 --> 00:53:54,435
So, Jin, thanks so much for coming on.

1494
00:53:54,435 --> 00:53:56,062
We'll have you back sometime and talk
about smart home.

1495
00:53:56,062 --> 00:53:57,062
Thanks, Jin.

1496
00:53:56,358 --> 00:53:57,358
Wonderful,

1497
00:53:57,030 --> 00:53:58,103
thank you, great

1498
00:53:57,294 --> 00:53:58,294
Thanks, Jen.

1499
00:53:58,103 --> 00:53:59,103
to be here.