WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:01.560 Sometimes you make me so angry. 2 00:00:01.879 --> 00:00:03.480 Oh wow, I'm just kidding. 3 00:00:03.560 --> 00:00:06.360 I'm just kidding. But sometimes some things makes God angry. 4 00:00:06.440 --> 00:00:09.039 Well, yesterday Paul started off telling us, Hey, this whole 5 00:00:09.039 --> 00:00:10.640 book is going to be talking about the good news, 6 00:00:10.679 --> 00:00:12.759 but sometimes in order to get to the good news, 7 00:00:12.800 --> 00:00:15.320 you have to have clearly defined what the bad news is. 8 00:00:15.720 --> 00:00:18.440 And that's what he's talking about today. So he's Chris 9 00:00:18.480 --> 00:00:20.239 and I'm Jeff, and we're the Bible guys. 10 00:00:31.719 --> 00:00:34.079 So Jeff, yes, we're going to do a segment today 11 00:00:34.119 --> 00:00:37.320 called the Whisper Challenge, which is I think we've seen 12 00:00:37.399 --> 00:00:39.960 made famous by Jimmy Fallon. I think is who it is, 13 00:00:40.560 --> 00:00:43.439 and you put the head phone Actually I think several 14 00:00:43.600 --> 00:00:46.039 late late night show guys do this. But yeah, but 15 00:00:46.119 --> 00:00:48.119 you put the headphones on and then you just try 16 00:00:48.119 --> 00:00:50.799 to whisper a phrase. I don't have a phrase prepared. 17 00:00:50.840 --> 00:00:52.520 Do you have a face one? 18 00:00:52.560 --> 00:00:53.640 I have one for you if you want to. 19 00:00:53.560 --> 00:00:55.200 Oh, excellently good. I'll go first. 20 00:00:55.240 --> 00:00:57.479 Then okay, okay, what did you do too? 21 00:00:57.960 --> 00:00:58.960 Come up with two phrases? 22 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:02.280 Then I'll switch, Well, came up with one? Come on, okay, 23 00:01:02.520 --> 00:01:02.880 here you go. 24 00:01:04.159 --> 00:01:06.640 I'm putting them on. I cannot hear you, all right, 25 00:01:06.799 --> 00:01:07.599 and then I'm gonna. 26 00:01:07.359 --> 00:01:11.680 Play play some music, so okay, and I have to whisper. 27 00:01:12.159 --> 00:01:13.519 I have to whisper, but you have to be able 28 00:01:13.560 --> 00:01:18.719 to see me, right, I have to whisper. Okay, ready, yes, sure, okay, okay, 29 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:20.719 I have not because you ask me. 30 00:01:22.359 --> 00:01:23.280 I'm not even close. 31 00:01:24.280 --> 00:01:31.239 Go slower, have not because you. 32 00:01:28.959 --> 00:01:30.719 You have something. 33 00:01:33.239 --> 00:01:34.079 No, you don't have it. 34 00:01:35.480 --> 00:01:36.640 I'm not even close on this one. 35 00:01:37.239 --> 00:01:39.239 Book, James says, you have not because you ask not. 36 00:01:39.480 --> 00:01:42.760 Oh I saw that you have yeah yeah, yeah, yea yeah, okay, 37 00:01:43.159 --> 00:01:45.719 you want to do another one, sure. 38 00:01:45.599 --> 00:01:46.920 Let me think of another one real quick. 39 00:01:47.079 --> 00:01:51.239 All right, tell me when play? I said iPod. Okay, 40 00:01:51.319 --> 00:01:54.000 this is really hilarious. Okay, not iPod, it's my iPhone. 41 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:56.480 Here you go. 42 00:01:56.480 --> 00:01:58.840 God so loved the world that he gave his only son. 43 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:01.560 For God so loved the world that he gave his 44 00:02:01.640 --> 00:02:02.159 only son. 45 00:02:03.400 --> 00:02:04.200 I said it out loud. 46 00:02:04.239 --> 00:02:05.560 So you said gott son. 47 00:02:05.680 --> 00:02:07.000 No, I said his only son. 48 00:02:06.879 --> 00:02:09.919 His only son. Excellent, Okay, yeah, yeah, all right, yeah. 49 00:02:10.280 --> 00:02:11.680 I kind of planted in your head that it was 50 00:02:11.719 --> 00:02:15.280 Bible versus right. Ye, well, let me choose. 51 00:02:15.439 --> 00:02:17.560 And by the way, he chose the most famous one 52 00:02:17.599 --> 00:02:18.120 of all time. 53 00:02:18.280 --> 00:02:19.919 I was hoping you'd know that one. I mean, you 54 00:02:19.960 --> 00:02:22.520 are one of the Bible guys, right, all right, so 55 00:02:22.560 --> 00:02:23.680 I'm gonna put these headphones on. 56 00:02:23.879 --> 00:02:24.759 Ye and then. 57 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:31.919 Okay, all right, ready, yes can you hear me? Whoa? 58 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:32.439 My goodness? 59 00:02:32.560 --> 00:02:37.639 I know? Ready, okay, here, that's a spicy meet the ball. 60 00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:44.759 Oh man, you said something about that. Let's say it again. 61 00:02:45.719 --> 00:02:47.879 That's a spicy Meet the ball. 62 00:02:48.080 --> 00:02:52.879 That's a spicy meatball, I said. 63 00:02:52.879 --> 00:02:54.639 I said, that's a spy I meet the ball. 64 00:02:55.319 --> 00:02:58.840 Yeah, all right, I picked up on spicy. And then 65 00:02:58.879 --> 00:03:00.719 I thought, okay, zar Bas gonna be talking about me, 66 00:03:01.080 --> 00:03:01.840 Yeah for sure. 67 00:03:02.319 --> 00:03:04.039 Let me think of another one. Here we go, okay, 68 00:03:04.360 --> 00:03:10.159 all right, here we go, all right, here we go. Okay, 69 00:03:10.639 --> 00:03:15.599 I bought a Honda. Should have bought a Hyundai? What 70 00:03:16.159 --> 00:03:19.319 I bought a Honda? Should have bought a Hyundai? 71 00:03:20.759 --> 00:03:23.599 Something? All day? I don't know, I can't. 72 00:03:24.560 --> 00:03:26.919 I said, I bought a Honda, should have bought a Hyundai. 73 00:03:32.240 --> 00:03:40.759 That's funny, Okay, that's right, that's right, that's hilarious, making fun. Okay, 74 00:03:41.479 --> 00:03:43.879 those are fun fun ones to do. They're so hard, Yeah, 75 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:45.280 they're really difficult. 76 00:03:45.680 --> 00:03:47.479 Yeah, it's it's pretty pretty amazing. 77 00:03:47.479 --> 00:03:50.360 Actually, it dawned on me just a second ago. I 78 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:51.919 have a phrase I'm going to say next time we 79 00:03:51.960 --> 00:03:54.360 do it. Oh oh yeah, wow. 80 00:03:55.240 --> 00:03:57.560 Well jeez, you know we're only three minutes in. 81 00:03:58.199 --> 00:04:00.280 I promise you you will not get it. It's not 82 00:04:00.479 --> 00:04:01.639 possible that you could get it. 83 00:04:03.599 --> 00:04:06.240 Yeah, all right, I guess we'll just save the suspense 84 00:04:06.919 --> 00:04:11.000 because the minutes are going all right. So anyway, so 85 00:04:12.199 --> 00:04:17.199 yesterday we introduced the idea that Paul is writing a 86 00:04:17.240 --> 00:04:20.759 book or actually writing a letter to the Church of Rome, 87 00:04:21.079 --> 00:04:22.959 but he's actually never been to the Church of Rome. 88 00:04:23.480 --> 00:04:26.439 So there's a there's a church that has, you know, growing, 89 00:04:26.480 --> 00:04:30.680 it's popular, and you know, Paul eventually gets there, but 90 00:04:30.759 --> 00:04:32.800 right around fifty seven AD. And I'll keep in mind 91 00:04:32.839 --> 00:04:36.639 he actually dies in Rome and write around sixty eight 92 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:39.480 or sixty nine AD. So this is about eleven years 93 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:42.639 before his death that he doesn't know that's coming obviously, 94 00:04:42.959 --> 00:04:45.160 and and he says, hey, I long to get to you. 95 00:04:45.480 --> 00:04:48.800 And it's actually the second time that he goes to Rome. 96 00:04:48.839 --> 00:04:51.879 He was actually advised not to go, but he went anyway, 97 00:04:52.000 --> 00:04:54.000 and he ends up you know, losing his life, was 98 00:04:54.040 --> 00:04:57.439 in prison and things like that. But anyway. So right now, 99 00:04:57.680 --> 00:05:00.600 he's just introducing himself to the the Church of. 100 00:05:00.639 --> 00:05:03.480 Rome, right, So that was the first seventeen verses, yep. 101 00:05:03.560 --> 00:05:07.040 And then he immediately pivots. I think the most important 102 00:05:07.120 --> 00:05:11.120 verse that we're going to read in understanding why he 103 00:05:11.160 --> 00:05:14.879 writes the next three chapters was verse seventeen of yesterday 104 00:05:14.879 --> 00:05:17.759 when he says, this good news tells us how God 105 00:05:17.800 --> 00:05:23.079 makes us right in his sight. So that means you 106 00:05:23.120 --> 00:05:25.319 have to understand that means we're not automatically right in 107 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:28.639 his site. We need to be made right in his sight. 108 00:05:28.360 --> 00:05:28.480 Right. 109 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:32.040 So the good news is how God rescues us from 110 00:05:32.120 --> 00:05:37.560 our sins, how God saves us from the tragedy that 111 00:05:37.560 --> 00:05:40.680 we're heading towards apart from Christ. Right, So this whole 112 00:05:41.160 --> 00:05:42.879 thing that he's talking about now he's going to give 113 00:05:42.959 --> 00:05:45.279 us bad news, and it's like three chapters, four chapters 114 00:05:45.319 --> 00:05:49.720 of five chapters, six chapters of bad news, and so 115 00:05:49.839 --> 00:05:54.360 it's kind of tough unless you understand he's just setting 116 00:05:54.360 --> 00:05:59.199 the stage for the overwhelming delight of the good news 117 00:05:59.199 --> 00:05:59.920 of God's grace. 118 00:06:00.399 --> 00:06:02.199 You know, it's it's really good that you brought that up, 119 00:06:02.240 --> 00:06:05.079 because it's also important for you know, for all of us, 120 00:06:05.319 --> 00:06:07.600 not just our listeners, but but me and you to 121 00:06:07.680 --> 00:06:12.240 understand that even though this may seem like common sense 122 00:06:12.319 --> 00:06:14.480 to you and I because we've grown up living in 123 00:06:14.560 --> 00:06:17.839 church world, this was brand new news for them. Yes, 124 00:06:17.920 --> 00:06:21.480 think about think about Let's pretend you're a man who's 125 00:06:21.680 --> 00:06:24.519 thirty years of age and you live in Rome, Okay, 126 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:26.879 and the only thing you really know about religion and 127 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:30.920 especially the god of the Jewish people, right, is that 128 00:06:31.079 --> 00:06:35.079 is that people have temples everywhere, right, actually one main temple, right. 129 00:06:35.480 --> 00:06:35.560 Uh. 130 00:06:36.079 --> 00:06:39.600 And you you're supposed to bring, you know, sacrifices to 131 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:42.240 pay for your sins, and and you know, and there's 132 00:06:42.279 --> 00:06:45.079 all these sort of you know, laws that are laid 133 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:47.399 out and you hear about them, and there's so many 134 00:06:47.519 --> 00:06:50.959 of them, and and and so I mean, you just really, truly, 135 00:06:51.839 --> 00:06:54.680 you know, don't have an understanding of what poets talking about. 136 00:06:54.680 --> 00:06:57.920 Paul's laying the ground, because what he's saying is is like, Hey, 137 00:06:58.319 --> 00:07:00.240 I'm going to talk about all this bad news, all 138 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:03.560 this sin because theologically you have to understand what happened. 139 00:07:04.079 --> 00:07:06.800 The event of Jesus Christ coming to the earth has 140 00:07:06.839 --> 00:07:10.680 theological implications for the world but also for you, and 141 00:07:10.720 --> 00:07:13.240 so I'm going to get very specific because this is 142 00:07:13.439 --> 00:07:15.480 brand new news for people. 143 00:07:15.319 --> 00:07:17.160 That's right. So he's going to give the bad news 144 00:07:17.360 --> 00:07:20.319 now so that he can delight us with the good 145 00:07:20.360 --> 00:07:22.600 news of God's grace and that God's grace is enough. 146 00:07:22.759 --> 00:07:25.480 Remember he talked about that in Two Corinthians when he 147 00:07:25.600 --> 00:07:28.040 begged God to take away this storn in the flesh. Remember, yeah, 148 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:30.240 And God's answer was, my grace is enough for you. 149 00:07:30.839 --> 00:07:34.480 And so Paul delights in teaching us about God's grace. 150 00:07:34.839 --> 00:07:37.680 But again, you don't need grace unless there's something in 151 00:07:37.720 --> 00:07:40.519 your life that requires it. So I just want to 152 00:07:40.560 --> 00:07:43.839 caution people as we read. He gives lists of various 153 00:07:43.839 --> 00:07:45.879 sins and different things, and a lot of times we 154 00:07:45.920 --> 00:07:48.360 focus on the one that's not our issue, or we 155 00:07:48.399 --> 00:07:50.959 can only see the one that is our issue. But 156 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:54.959 I understand in this next passage he's unpecking almost every 157 00:07:55.040 --> 00:07:57.360 kind of sin you cannot yeah, and so like twenty 158 00:07:57.360 --> 00:07:59.519 of them. So this applies to every one of us, 159 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:01.199 every one of us as what he's talking about here, 160 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:03.240 there's none of us that aren't included in Paul's next 161 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:05.040 little talk. So here we go. Ready, this is going 162 00:08:05.079 --> 00:08:08.720 to be interesting. In verse eighteen of the first chapter Romans, 163 00:08:08.720 --> 00:08:11.519 He says, but God shows his anger from heaven against 164 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:16.240 all sinful, wicked people who suppressed the truth by their wickedness. 165 00:08:16.519 --> 00:08:18.720 They know the truth about God because He's made it 166 00:08:18.759 --> 00:08:22.480 obvious to them forever since the world was created, people 167 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:25.399 have seen the earth and sky through everything God made. 168 00:08:25.519 --> 00:08:29.000 They can clearly see his invisible qualities, his eternal power, 169 00:08:29.040 --> 00:08:31.480 and divine nature, so they have no excuse for not 170 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:34.720 knowing God. Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn't worship 171 00:08:34.840 --> 00:08:37.200 him as God or even give him thanks, and they 172 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:39.759 began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. 173 00:08:40.080 --> 00:08:43.679 As a result, their minds became dark and confused. Claiming 174 00:08:43.720 --> 00:08:46.480 to be wise, they instead became utter fools, and instead 175 00:08:46.480 --> 00:08:49.919 of worshiping the glorious, ever living God, they worshiped idols 176 00:08:49.919 --> 00:08:52.200 made to look like mere people and birds and animals 177 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:55.559 and reptiles. So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful 178 00:08:55.559 --> 00:08:59.320 thing their heart's desired. As a result, they did evil 179 00:08:59.360 --> 00:09:02.279 and degrading things with each other's bodies. They traded the 180 00:09:02.360 --> 00:09:04.679 truth about God for a lie, so they worshiped and 181 00:09:04.720 --> 00:09:08.240 served the things God created instead of the creator himself, 182 00:09:08.279 --> 00:09:12.039 who's worthy of eternal praise. Amen. That is why God 183 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:14.840 abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned 184 00:09:14.879 --> 00:09:17.559 against the natural way to have sex and instead indulge 185 00:09:17.600 --> 00:09:19.399 in sex with each other. And the men, instead of 186 00:09:19.440 --> 00:09:22.080 having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for 187 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:24.480 each other, men did shameful things with other men, and 188 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:27.279 as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves 189 00:09:27.279 --> 00:09:30.000 the penalty they deserved. Since they thought it foolish to 190 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:32.960 acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and 191 00:09:33.080 --> 00:09:35.320 let them do things that should never be done. Their 192 00:09:35.360 --> 00:09:41.919 lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, 193 00:09:42.360 --> 00:09:46.840 malicious behavior, and gossip. Their backstabbers and haters of God. 194 00:09:47.159 --> 00:09:50.799 Insolent and proud and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, 195 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:54.320 and they disobey their parents. They refuse to understand, they 196 00:09:54.360 --> 00:09:58.039 break their promises, are heartless and have no mercy. They 197 00:09:58.080 --> 00:10:00.879 know God's justice requires that those who do these things 198 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:03.879 deserve to die, yet they do them anyway worse. Yet 199 00:10:04.080 --> 00:10:05.919 they encourage others to do them too. 200 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:09.600 Yeah, so there's a lot in this passage there's a 201 00:10:09.639 --> 00:10:12.759 ton and when when when Paul sort of shifts gears 202 00:10:12.799 --> 00:10:15.720 in verse number eighteen, which is where we started. Let's 203 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:17.600 talk about that first part before we get into all 204 00:10:17.600 --> 00:10:21.200 those those lists. Absolutely, but when it says, by the way, 205 00:10:21.240 --> 00:10:27.360 I absolutely love this idea because Paul says, he starts 206 00:10:27.399 --> 00:10:31.279 off very clearly saying that God has anger and judgment 207 00:10:31.720 --> 00:10:34.519 for wickedness and for sin. He talks about that, and 208 00:10:34.559 --> 00:10:36.600 then he goes right on to say they know the 209 00:10:36.639 --> 00:10:39.240 truth about God because He's made it obvious to them. 210 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:41.840 And I think that that is so interesting because he says, 211 00:10:42.120 --> 00:10:44.200 for since the world was created, people have seen the 212 00:10:44.240 --> 00:10:48.120 earth and sky, and through everything God made, they can 213 00:10:48.279 --> 00:10:54.000 clearly see his invisible qualities, his eternal power, and divine nature. 214 00:10:54.039 --> 00:10:56.320 So they have no excuse for not knowing God. And 215 00:10:56.720 --> 00:11:00.600 so isn't this the sort of the big debated passage 216 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:04.480 about you know, the scenario of what if a man 217 00:11:04.639 --> 00:11:07.440 was born on an island and he's lived and died 218 00:11:07.480 --> 00:11:10.559 and he's nobody's ever going to tell him about Jesus Christ, 219 00:11:11.039 --> 00:11:13.080 you know, how can he come to know God? And 220 00:11:13.960 --> 00:11:16.639 that's really sort of the scenario in the Christian world, 221 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:17.360 right Well, I've. 222 00:11:17.200 --> 00:11:19.639 Told the story before getting out in a village where 223 00:11:19.679 --> 00:11:22.320 there's never been any outsiders coming too the village. And 224 00:11:22.360 --> 00:11:24.759 when we asked the chief, we had a big meeting. 225 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:27.279 There's all these chiefs there and elders of the village 226 00:11:27.279 --> 00:11:29.200 and the main chief, I've got a photo of him 227 00:11:29.240 --> 00:11:32.080 on my phone, and we asked them, have you ever 228 00:11:32.080 --> 00:11:34.960 heard of Jesus Christ? And they all had a consultation, 229 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:37.399 they met, and the chief came back and said, none 230 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:39.120 of us here know who Jesus Christ is, but if 231 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:41.120 you tell us what village's from, will help you find him. 232 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:44.240 And all they didn't know who Jesus Christ was. They 233 00:11:44.240 --> 00:11:46.240 thought these white guys are in a village because some 234 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:49.000 guy named Jesus Christ was lost, so they never heard 235 00:11:49.039 --> 00:11:51.360 of him. So what happens to that person? Right? And 236 00:11:51.399 --> 00:11:55.440 God is saying that every person is without excuse in 237 00:11:55.559 --> 00:12:01.200 that creation exists, which should make us recognize there's creator. Right, 238 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:03.840 And that's the beginning. The beginning is that, and then 239 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:06.960 us being sent out with the Great Commission is to 240 00:12:06.960 --> 00:12:09.399 tell everybody is that may or may not help people 241 00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:12.960 connect automatically to Jesus Christ and salvation, but it should 242 00:12:13.039 --> 00:12:16.200 point us towards the Creator, and so God's riled up 243 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:19.519 in this passage over people who've rejected even the idea 244 00:12:19.519 --> 00:12:22.200 of the Creator. Rejecting that idea, He's riled up, and 245 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:25.879 instead they've gone on and they've worshiped the created things. 246 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:28.840 Have you ever been You've been in Rome? Right? Have 247 00:12:28.879 --> 00:12:29.440 you been in Rome? 248 00:12:30.559 --> 00:12:33.759 Yes? I've been in Rome only on a layover. We're 249 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:35.399 there for like twelve hours and we sort of drove 250 00:12:35.399 --> 00:12:36.600 around quickly and saw. 251 00:12:36.480 --> 00:12:38.279 Things, coliseum and stuff like that. 252 00:12:38.279 --> 00:12:39.799 Just drove by it. You didn't even get to go 253 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:40.080 in it. 254 00:12:40.679 --> 00:12:43.399 There's a building there that's a church. It became a church, 255 00:12:43.480 --> 00:12:48.639 but in the early times it's called the pantheon. And 256 00:12:48.840 --> 00:12:51.559 the Romans celebrated the fact that they have lots and 257 00:12:51.639 --> 00:12:54.559 lots of gods, and inside the pantheon, all around the 258 00:12:54.600 --> 00:12:56.320 inside of the pantheon, they were all these statues of 259 00:12:56.320 --> 00:12:59.440 all these gods, and they embraced many of the gods 260 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:01.720 that the Greeks had, they just renamed them. And the 261 00:13:01.720 --> 00:13:05.840 Greeks had tons of gods, some of them were created things, 262 00:13:06.200 --> 00:13:08.919 and like the Egyptians, it was mostly all their gods 263 00:13:08.919 --> 00:13:12.960 were created things, and some were you know, characters that 264 00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:15.240 they kind of had put in place to worship, and 265 00:13:15.279 --> 00:13:17.799 God said, this is the natural thing. Either you choose 266 00:13:17.799 --> 00:13:20.440 to believe in the Creator, or you start worshiping the create, 267 00:13:20.480 --> 00:13:25.480 the things that the Creator made. Humans naturally worship. It 268 00:13:25.559 --> 00:13:29.080 wasn't until the Enlightenment when you know, Voltaire and a 269 00:13:29.080 --> 00:13:31.799 few others began to put out this idea of atheism. 270 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:34.879 Very I mean, this is a very new thing in 271 00:13:34.919 --> 00:13:37.919 the development of humanity to start rejecting the idea of 272 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:41.639 any god. It's that so we have always been pre 273 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:45.080 wired to worship, and either we worshiped the Creator or 274 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:47.639 we worship what's been created. Yeah. 275 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:51.759 Yeah, And I love that because I think that, you know, 276 00:13:51.840 --> 00:13:56.000 the idea that there is a god, you know, is 277 00:13:56.200 --> 00:13:59.360 just it's amazing to me how you can look at 278 00:13:59.360 --> 00:14:01.919 creations and you can say, man, there has to be 279 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:05.200 a creator. And also it's also amazing to me how 280 00:14:05.240 --> 00:14:08.200 people look at that and think, no, you know what 281 00:14:08.240 --> 00:14:10.360 I mean, like the idea that somebody would say that 282 00:14:10.360 --> 00:14:13.639 there is not a creator. I actually saw a TikTok 283 00:14:13.639 --> 00:14:16.320 the other day with Ronald Reagan and he said, he said, 284 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:20.399 I long to have a dinner with the atheists and 285 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:24.320 agnostics of the world. I love Reagan's jokes, and they're 286 00:14:24.360 --> 00:14:25.679 becoming more popular by the way. 287 00:14:25.679 --> 00:14:27.039 They're coming back their color. 288 00:14:27.919 --> 00:14:30.639 And he said, he says, and I long to give 289 00:14:30.679 --> 00:14:32.879 them the best meal that they've ever had, like a 290 00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:36.440 nine course meal, he said, just just to delight them 291 00:14:36.480 --> 00:14:38.559 in such a way to where they would have no 292 00:14:38.639 --> 00:14:42.200 choice but to say, please give our compliments to the chef. 293 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:44.919 And and he goes, I would look at them and say, 294 00:14:45.799 --> 00:14:48.240 whatever gave you the idea that there was a creator 295 00:14:48.240 --> 00:14:48.759 of this food? 296 00:14:49.759 --> 00:14:52.240 Yeah, a chef. But I didn't know Reagan had a 297 00:14:52.279 --> 00:14:53.960 TikTok Does that creep you out just a little bit? 298 00:14:54.360 --> 00:14:55.960 It's not Reagan's TikTok oh. 299 00:14:56.039 --> 00:14:57.519 I thought you said you saw I saw on. 300 00:14:57.600 --> 00:14:58.559 A TikTok oh? 301 00:14:58.679 --> 00:15:00.840 I see, yeah, yeah, I'm pretty simple person. 302 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:03.080 His jokes are very clever, very clever. 303 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:07.080 Now, so so this idea, then, you know, he's talking 304 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:10.559 to Romans who would build a building to celebrate all 305 00:15:10.600 --> 00:15:13.159 their gods. And it's in that context that he's trying 306 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:17.799 to differentiate between the way that the major majority of 307 00:15:17.840 --> 00:15:21.720 their population, which was very sophisticated, even by our own standards, 308 00:15:21.799 --> 00:15:25.559 very sophisticated. The indoor plumbing, Uh, they took baths, they 309 00:15:25.679 --> 00:15:29.519 had uh, you know, water in their homes. They built, 310 00:15:29.960 --> 00:15:33.120 they built stadiums as big as the stadiums we build now, right, 311 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:37.799 their sophistication, they're the ones who developed the republic concept 312 00:15:37.960 --> 00:15:41.320 of government. Now they have an emperor at this point, 313 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:43.320 but they they're the ones who developed it. They had 314 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:46.600 a senate, they had representative government, they had the most 315 00:15:46.600 --> 00:15:50.519 powerful military in the world. They were incredibly sophisticated people. Yeah, 316 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:53.720 and and yet they worshiped all these other gods. And 317 00:15:53.759 --> 00:15:55.759 so he's he's kind of going at that that there's 318 00:15:55.799 --> 00:15:58.039 either one God or there's all these gods, and that's 319 00:15:58.039 --> 00:16:00.679 what happens. But the natural order of things is when 320 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:04.039 you reject the Creator, then you begin to indulge just 321 00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:07.919 in your own flesh. And then the Creator steps back 322 00:16:07.919 --> 00:16:10.639 and says, fine, do your thing, and then that's where 323 00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:14.000 he brings up all these issues. He brings up homo sexuality, 324 00:16:14.120 --> 00:16:17.240 he brings up every kind of wickedness and sin and 325 00:16:17.320 --> 00:16:20.639 greed and hate and envy and murder and quarreling and deception, 326 00:16:21.039 --> 00:16:24.279 malicious behavior and gossip and backstabbers and haters of God, 327 00:16:24.600 --> 00:16:29.840 insolence and pride and boastfulness, and disobedient to parents and 328 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:33.200 refusing to be taught, and they break their promises and 329 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:35.279 they're heartless and they have no mercy. He gives like 330 00:16:35.360 --> 00:16:37.879 these twenty things. Yeah, they said, this just becomes the 331 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:42.399 natural order of society when you've rejected the creator. Yeah. 332 00:16:42.440 --> 00:16:45.399 And it's interesting the concept of what he's trying to 333 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:47.799 talk about here. And he spends a few extra verses 334 00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:51.440 talking about sexual sin. But you know, this is actually 335 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:54.840 the pattern of Paul. You know, later on in Romans, 336 00:16:54.879 --> 00:16:58.000 doesn't he talk about how of all the things that 337 00:16:58.039 --> 00:17:01.279 we do, sexual sins are are done with our bodies 338 00:17:01.720 --> 00:17:04.599 and uh, and he says that Firstians and no, yeah, 339 00:17:04.640 --> 00:17:07.400 I'm sorry, Yeah, that's right, it's first Corinthians and and uh. 340 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:10.000 And so Paul hangs on that and and he actually 341 00:17:10.039 --> 00:17:13.279 lists all these other things and and the the umbrella 342 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:15.839 of what he's talking about is he's talking about how 343 00:17:16.079 --> 00:17:19.880 when people get lost in their own ways, and they 344 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:21.599 get lost and they get hung up with all these 345 00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:24.519 different things. Number one, not only are they denying the 346 00:17:24.559 --> 00:17:28.759 god of creation, which they should surely know, and he's saying. 347 00:17:28.519 --> 00:17:29.400 They've rejected them. 348 00:17:29.680 --> 00:17:31.759 But then he's also saying some people can get so 349 00:17:31.960 --> 00:17:35.400 lost in their ways and and and in their sins 350 00:17:35.559 --> 00:17:38.400 that God turns them over, turns them over, He abandoned 351 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:41.119 them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. And 352 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:44.119 it just gives this laundry list of people. And then 353 00:17:44.160 --> 00:17:46.799 I think it's interesting how he says, uh, that they 354 00:17:46.880 --> 00:17:49.960 start worshiping the creator instead. 355 00:17:49.640 --> 00:17:52.319 Of creation, the creation, the creation instead of the Creator. 356 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:55.000 Yeah, I'm sorry backwards. Yeah, And I love also how 357 00:17:55.039 --> 00:17:59.880 he gets specific and says, they make these idols represent 358 00:18:00.279 --> 00:18:02.480 mere mortals and mere animals. 359 00:18:02.559 --> 00:18:03.079 Right. 360 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:07.079 You know, he's really taking what they worship. You know, 361 00:18:07.119 --> 00:18:09.960 they're they're thinking, oh, they're worshiping these idols. They treat 362 00:18:09.960 --> 00:18:13.039 them as God's little g And he's saying, that's a 363 00:18:13.079 --> 00:18:14.119 statue of a bird. 364 00:18:15.359 --> 00:18:18.000 It's just a bird. It's just it's not even a 365 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:19.720 real bird. It's a statue of right. 366 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:22.599 It just it ranks all the way down here. Right, 367 00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:25.640 they're just mere mortals. These are things that are going 368 00:18:25.720 --> 00:18:28.920 to turn into dust. Right, And you're and you're worshiping 369 00:18:28.960 --> 00:18:31.279 these things. And that's sort of the category that he's 370 00:18:31.319 --> 00:18:34.240 listening these sins to. Right, He's saying, he's saying, listen, 371 00:18:34.480 --> 00:18:38.240 God has given things and we just we just we're 372 00:18:38.319 --> 00:18:44.279 just spending all of our time indulging, worshiping, and focusing 373 00:18:44.359 --> 00:18:46.720 on all the wrong things. And we could do it 374 00:18:46.759 --> 00:18:50.039 to such a degree that God just abandons us and 375 00:18:50.039 --> 00:18:53.559 our sin and just says, man, they're just lost. And 376 00:18:53.559 --> 00:18:55.519 and then then he goes on and talks about how 377 00:18:56.200 --> 00:18:58.440 you know, he says, he makes a really sort of 378 00:18:58.480 --> 00:19:03.119 a big statement and says, they know God's justice requires 379 00:19:03.559 --> 00:19:06.880 that those who do these things deserve to die. And 380 00:19:06.880 --> 00:19:09.759 by the way, some of these things he's listening, I'm 381 00:19:09.759 --> 00:19:13.000 sure that there are laws that we talk about death. 382 00:19:13.359 --> 00:19:15.839 But actually I think Paul is actually referring to the 383 00:19:15.880 --> 00:19:20.400 spiritual here because he's talking about how sin he's about 384 00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:23.559 to unpack, right, how sin brings death. 385 00:19:23.680 --> 00:19:25.079 Yeah, chapter five, he's gonna bring that up. 386 00:19:25.160 --> 00:19:27.119 Yeah, chapter five. So he's leading up to the fact 387 00:19:27.440 --> 00:19:28.920 that there is a high price. 388 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:32.880 It's physical and spiritual death. All of the terrible things 389 00:19:32.920 --> 00:19:36.960 in life, like death, are because of sin. Right, And 390 00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:38.359 this is what he's trying to do, is he's building 391 00:19:38.359 --> 00:19:40.880 the argument. So some people get hung up on whatever 392 00:19:40.920 --> 00:19:43.480 their favorite thing is to argue about. In this passage 393 00:19:43.519 --> 00:19:46.319 on oh it's you know, he gave special attention to 394 00:19:46.319 --> 00:19:49.319 sexual sin or whatever, and then they'll minimize disobeying their 395 00:19:49.359 --> 00:19:52.920 parents or being heartless, or refusing to understand or breaking 396 00:19:53.079 --> 00:19:56.039 you know, promise breakers. They refuse to recognize those things. 397 00:19:56.119 --> 00:19:59.039 But what Paul's trying to say is all these sins 398 00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:03.920 are rejecting God. There's a consequence. It's physical and spiritual death. 399 00:20:04.039 --> 00:20:06.440 Later on, he's going to say all the world is 400 00:20:06.559 --> 00:20:10.119 broken and groans, all of creation groans under the weight 401 00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:13.440