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Mandy: Hello.

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Hello.

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It's Thursday, 4:20 PM Eastern.

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That means it's time for office
hours, AROYA weekly session for

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cultivators to hear from the experts
and talk to each other about what

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they're seeing with their grows.

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My name is Mandy and I'll be
covering for our lovely Kaisha today.

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She's representing AROYA
out at MJ Unpacked.

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So if you're out at Vegas at that
event, be sure you connect with her.

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We're also gonna be out out at a
couple of conventions coming up,

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like Hall of Flowers and MJ Bizcon.

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It's super exciting to be a part of
such an industry that's growing so fast.

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So today we're actually here for episode
40, so we're over live on YouTube.

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So make sure you post your
questions for me and I'll make

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sure I get those to the guys.

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If you're live with this here
and you have a question, you can

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type it in the chat at any time.

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If we do choose you, you can go ahead and
ask your question or I can ask it for you.

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But today we're here with Seth
and Jason live and on the air.

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Hey, what's up guys?

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Seth: Hey.

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Hey, Mandy.

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Hey.

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Mandy: Good to see you.

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How's your week going?

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Seth: Good.

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Yeah, it's it's pretty nice outside here.

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We finally got a little rain.

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Mandy: Nice.

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All right.

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Little turn of the seasons
happening soon over there.

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That's awesome.

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Love to hear about it getting
some more people joining us.

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Welcome.

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Welcome.

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Hi, Laura.

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Well, yeah we had a couple of questions
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a bunch from Instagram last week.

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So, you guys have any other
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into the crop during questions?

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Seth: Let's get started.

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Yeah.

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Mandy: I love, I love the game faces.

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Let's go you guys.

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Alright.

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Our first question came in
from Rich over on Instagram.

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This week.

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He wrote, I'm looking into
getting a tent to store my mom's.

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I also plan to use it for
root cuttings and to veg out.

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Do you have any advice before I get

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Jason: started?

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Make sure you've got some
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one of the starting places.

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Make sure your lights
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So sometimes, you know, just a good
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fan either or mixing fans in there.

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That's probably gonna be
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Other than that, it's just like having a
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And it's a great idea to kind
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from from your mom's, your

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Seth: little cuttings.

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And you know, just remember like if
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have any separation between your
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So, if for instance, your mom's
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your gonna have some problems
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So in an ideal world, you might want
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And then the other thing is just I
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as far as contamination goes, never
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If you go in and water your moms and
check your clones and do your veg

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watering in the morning, don't go back in
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You know, simple protocols to help
keep your place clean, go a lot

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farther than trying to spend a lot
of money on technology to do that.

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Mandy: Awesome.

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Thanks guys.

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We had another question come in from
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they wanna know Aqua Lab aside.

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What's your favorite method for measuring
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Jason: Aqua

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Well, when measuring it, I like
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and try to dry it down to almost
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That's gonna be pretty destructive
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So outside of Aqua Lab, the
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Jason: Yeah, and I mean, I hate
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have used wood moisture sensors.

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I, I mean an application.

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That's probably better than
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I don't know how many steps better
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and probably just because I have
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If you are processing lots of
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good route go to ensure that you're,
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over thousands of pounds of product.

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a big selling point is the fact
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If it doesn't, you know, just make
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out the door to get COAs is, is
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Seth: Awesome.

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I just wanna touch on that too and
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few people I work with that haven't,
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That's an eventual scale out plan.

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One thing that has really helped them
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equipment as they can afford into
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their dehumidification capability and
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that their dry room's consistent.

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So even outside of water activity,
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starting when chasing that is how
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Are we, you know, looking at seasonal
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That, that is just a big thing too.

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Getting your processes refined so that
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competent, that your quality is very,
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least having consistency in your process.

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And that's even with the equipment, that's
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It's not just to having an aqua
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It's also saying, Okay, can I,
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days when the plants are really
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kind of a hard outer crest.

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you can see before, assuming that you
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can and get, you don't always need the
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Jason: Yeah, that's a,
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systems to the place and he was very
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that we have in the array system.

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absolute humidity is a fantastic tool for
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then you're gonna wish everything
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We had a question come in over
let's see on Instagram today too.

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Bki Genetics wants to know I'm only
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maximize my yields with my space.

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I'm excited to introduce the
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Is there anything on our website where
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what to look for to steer either way?

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Jason: I don't know if we
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we do provide kind of an outline there.

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explains that kind of thing.

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So you could check out like one of
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maybe download some groan white papers.

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Those are the places that
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Seth: resources.

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Yeah, I'll definitely kinda expand it.

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So Flora Flex Tech support is actually
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They've got a lot of great guides
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having access to the equipment.

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without having that monitoring equipment.

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So like with the tariffs, with just the
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So long as you can really nail
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And then, you know, the next le
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you there to take those readings?

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If you can get a reading every
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control than if you can get a
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So you can't accomplish quite a lot.

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Yeah, and, you know, just
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There's, there's a lot of good information
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sources you, you might not expect.

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Like the groin, white
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You can go to their website, sign
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crops, and start to learn some of the
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this irrigation strategy do to plants?

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And then, you know, the more you
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very passionate about the cannabis
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you can kind of start to put together,
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generatively during this time period.

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Stretch.

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Here's why we're bulking when
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we're ripening when we're ripening.

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Jason: Yeah.

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You know, if you plan to you know, get
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you right in a production facility or
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like that size, then I definitely like
the university extensions as well.

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Many of 'em have greenhouse manuals
that they provide to their students

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that are enrolled in those programs.

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Download 'em and, you know, start to just
dive into the science behind cultivation.

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I found that really helped me
out when I began cultivating.

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Seth: Yeah.

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You know, if you, you can read a, a set
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and over, and if you aren't looking at
what kind of physiological changes and

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morphological changes we're producing
with the plant, then you, you're kind

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of just waiting to see what happens.

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You know, it's, it's kind of
in, in, when you're in business.

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Trial and error experimentation
is really, really expensive.

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We all know that.

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I will add to that though, if you are,
you know, working off of a caregiver

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model or some legal cultivation,
definitely hit up our sales there.

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You might be surprised with some
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out as long as they have the
proper licensing in their area.

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Great.

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Mandy: there's a couple of different ways
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but it's all about kind of having an
understanding of horticulture Yeah.

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And the science behind it.

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Mm-hmm.

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. Awesome.

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Thank you guys for that.

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We did have a question
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Gabe wants to know, will the open
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to operate through Xtra as well?

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Seth: No,

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not, no.

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No current plans for that.

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Mandy: Okay.

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Awesome.

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Thank you guys for that.

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We had some more come in on Instagram.

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Okay.

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So we had a user ask about
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entities that affects plants.

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They're asking about do we
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typically affect cannabis plants.

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Do you guys wanna talk about some of them?

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Some of the most detrimental
ones that you guys have seen?

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Jason: Yeah, I mean, so probably
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that we hear about top blant.

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fairly destructive on some crops.

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The fact that it's, it does take a
lab to verify that it is hop latent.

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Typically you'll see some plants
being gutted and not all plants are

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symptomatic, even if they are infected.

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And so it's, it's a tough one.

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Definitely worth worth getting
your mom's tested before you make

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large number of cuts and being
very diligent with cleaning.

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Deer cutting tools.

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Seth: Yeah.

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You know, full fore foreclosure.

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I'm not a certified or licensed
or . I have some plant pathology

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education, but I can't rattle off
15 s for you off the top of my head.

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At the end of the day though, when we're
talking about production systems, you

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know, we, we have a certain limit to how
we can treat different things, right?

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Like, if you've got hop latent,
what are we looking at doing?

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Well, hopefully putting
something into tissue culture

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and completely ning the facility.

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So at the end of the day, you gotta
look at, okay, how much is it to

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you know, Combat this vi, this vade.

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And what does it take?

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Well, at the end of the day, it
takes cleaning out the facility.

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It also takes that tissue culture
clean up, which is difficult

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cost and time consuming.

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Can it be worth it?

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Absolutely.

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But then going on from that, you
know, the more important thing

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with VIS is to look back and say,
Okay, where did it come from?

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How did I get it?

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You know, I mean, before we started
to see hops late, you know, one of

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the bigger ones was bringing in mites
or root aphids or, you know, all the

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results of bringing a potted teen into
your facility from another facility.

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Well, the same's true of the virus.

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And at the end of the day, we can
explore each of those thyroids.

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But, you know, cleanliness and
avoiding exposure is really the

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only way to keep him outta your.

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Good notes

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Mandy: for people out there
who are looking to avoid those.

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We had a bunch of questions come in
over on YouTube in just a minute.

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So Jason wants to know, Huh?

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Another Jason out there.

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Hey, AROYA team.

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I'm the DC for a license
producer in South Africa.

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I was wondering if you have any
thoughts on pollination prevention

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and high temp in greenhouses and
how can I get AROYA hardware?

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Jason: Yeah, let's start
off with the AROYA hardware.

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I  not positive we can sell
in South Africa right now.

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I think I'd, I'd have to check with
our team and some of the licensing

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on our radio for those devices.

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We'd love to get you some systems.

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So, you know, call our sales team
and, or I can check on check on

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if that's an area we can sell to
as far as reducing pollination.

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We'll start off with that one.

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We'll talk about high temps ways
to combat that in a greenhouse.

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So my favorite way of Avoiding pollination
is pressure positive greenhouses.

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So in a lot of greenhouses that
we see, traditionally older school

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designs, they will have exhaust fans.

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So this is going to create
a negative pressure box.

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That's what's pulling the
air through the, the intake.

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A lot of times that's a pad.

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And so if we actually run pressurizing
fans, then we're not creating a vacuum.

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So any of the leaks in our greenhouse, if
we are negative pressure, they're gonna

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pull in things like pollen, pasts you
know, dust, any of that type of stuff.

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And a lot of the newer greenhouses,
especially high tech ones, we're

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running positive pressure in there.

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So that's my favorite way of waiting.

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Pollination.

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What, what are your thoughts there?

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Seth: Yeah, yeah, I
mean, I completely agree.

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Treat your greenhouse like a flow hood.

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You know, pollen can't
move upstream in airflow.

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So if we have airflow pressurizing the
greenhouse, we're also not only, you

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know, Pushing air out of, you know,
the bigger or offices or vents and

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everything, but even the small parts
that are really difficult to seal up.

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And that can not only help with pollen,
but things like threats and mights

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and other stuff that's trying to
crawl in from the outside, you know?

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And then the other side of that I think
is starting to identify, you know, where

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do your pollination problems come from?

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Are you within a mile of a,
a traditional hops field?

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Are you really close to
a bunch of outdoor grows?

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In my experience and maybe this is
personal, you know, I found that when I

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had pollination issues in the greenhouse,
usually that was from hering plants.

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And unfortunately, I would find
that if I was grown, say seven

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different strains in there, some
of 'em might, you know, throw a.

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There any kind of herma trait
statements at different times.

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So I might have some
that like to do it early.

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So then, Alright, well I'm seeing some
pollination in some part of the greenhouse

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around week five, but then I've got other
ones that drop it week seven and then I

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don't really see like full seed formation.

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I see little seedlets that are,
you know, don't even have a

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developed embryo in 'em yet.

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So really look around and see, you know,
is it outside or is it happening inside?

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And especially sometimes when it happens
early and without a lot of prevalence

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with those hering plants, we can see
a lot of seeds deep inside the bud

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that get set before we enter bulking.

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So really, I mean, yeah, there's
some good tips to avoid it.

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One of the better ones though,
is really trying to figure out

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exactly the source of that pollen.

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You know, it's kind of like we talk
about hops laton just recently, well,

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if you can guess it came from hops
because here in the northwest we have

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a few regions that are really good for
growing hops and happen to have a lot of

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people that wanna grow cannabis there.

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So you add in, you know, the
recent push over the last decade

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to establish hemp agriculture.

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And we have a few lo locations
in the Northwest that are just

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a perfect environment for that.

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And then at breeding and the
traffic of clones and the lack

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of certification regulation for
the clone industry right now.

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And now you kind of get to where
we're at, so,  always try to

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find the base of your problems.

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Yeah.

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Jason: And I think we can lead into his
next question here is obviously to help

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reduce any her mathematic trades, you can
decrease some of the, the stressor points

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or beyond stressor points of your plants.

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So one of those would be heat in In a
greenhouse, and I'd imagine down over in,

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in South Africa, that is a real concern
a lot of, lot of portions of the year.

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So, couple ways to, to deal with that.

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And we probably just talk about
the, you know, the typical

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equipment ways cable vents.

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If you've got riffs that can pop
open, that's gonna naturally allow

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the hot air that's rising to escape.

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So rather than just being a
vertically exhausted greenhouse

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or a vertically or excuse me,
horizontally, exhausted greenhouse or

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horizontally pressurized greenhouse,
you can run those, those fence.

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If you are positive pressurized,
which is awesome, typically

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you'll see less gradient from
front to back of the greenhouse.

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You may not even have a front or the back
of the greenhouse like you would with

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a, a horizontally exhausted greenhouse.

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So make sure that you've got nice
cold water in your pad pumps.

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If you've got well water, that's ideal.

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One of the things that I did try when we
got, we got beyond our cooling capacity

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was actually put ice in the pad pump.

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And that made a pretty significant
difference on a day to day basis.

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Not probably what you want to do, but you
know, if you run practical to two or three

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days in a row that are, are way beyond
what you can handle, give it a shot.

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Seth: Even getting a water chill in
there in there can help a lot, honestly,

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especially if you've got a good return
rate, you're not evaporating too much.

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But you said though, water quality's key.

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If we're pushing a lot of hard water
through our pad vent, that means

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we're gonna have to clean it a lot.

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And also from personal
experience, if you do have hard

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water, don't turn off your pad.

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Vent through that run.

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, all that scale's gonna
shoot outta the pad.

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Vent all over your crop.

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Jason: Blackout.

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I, when I did programming on some
local greenhouses, we, I would

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basically have a high heat setting.

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So it was through a flag.

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And when I got, you know, 15 degrees
over my set point, I would basically

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go into an emergency heat standpoint.

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And what I'd do is end up closing
the blackout a certain amount, right?

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So, sure I'm jeopardizing some of
that free light that I could be

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getting, but when my heat's going
that far up, at that point, I'm just

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trying to, to salvage plant health.

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And so I know I'd close it like 25%
if I was 15 degrees above that point.

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Go to 50% if I was 20 degrees
over set point or all the way.

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Those probably aren't the exact numbers
that I used, but just trying to evaluate,

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hey, how much can I sacrifice in order
to, to keep that temperature down?

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And obviously a lot of good blackouts
are, are silver on the top side.

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And they'll help just reflect any of
that, that solar radiation coming through.

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If you do have the roof, you know,
and a reflective blackout, it's gonna

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play a huge factor in, in keeping
the, the lower portions of it.

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Cool.

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If you have hydraulic bench heaters,
a lot of times you can actually

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run that cool water through the
hydraulic system and keep your root

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zone even cooler as well, and that,
that can play a pretty big factor,

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especially if you can't keep the air

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Seth: temperature down.

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Yeah.

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You know, and one thing I always
find myself reminding cannabis

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growers about is, especially when
you get in the greenhouse, utilize,

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I mean, we always talk about plant
empowerment as being a good resource.

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There's several other resources
about greenhouse growing and.

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Well, I mean, there's a whole series
of textbooks, , not, not one series,

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but several that have been written over
the years that talk about how we can

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calculate airflow needs, humidity needs,
and how, you know, greenhouse designs.

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So it doesn't matter what we're
growing in the greenhouse, if

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we have X amount of humidity and
X amount of heat to get rid of.

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Those are calculatable things,
especially when we know some of

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the environmental conditions.

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So if you look into that a little
further, you can really start to

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analyze for yourself, like, Hey,
here's my, here's what I'm stuck with.

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Now.

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I'm seeing way too high
bpd, way too high heat.

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Based on these changes I'd wanna make,
which one might be the most effective

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based on movement of BTUs based on, you
know, gaining or losing humidity in there?

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What do we want to achieve?

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And that's probably the best way
to go about it, to be honest.

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Just try to learn as much as
you can about greenhouse design.

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That way you're not throwing
money at a problem that.

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You don't have quantified, you don't know
how much money it's gonna take, start

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there and then go forward, You know?

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And then the other thing too it's
gonna sound low tech, but hey, if

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your heat is way up and you just can't
keep your vpd under control we're,

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we're just joking about this before
the show actually sounds low tech.

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Get out there at the hose
and hose down the floor.

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You know, if you got a big concrete pad
in there, get it wet a few times a day.

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Unfortunately, to keep your
vpd in check at 90, 95 degrees,

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we need like 80% humidity.

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So, you know, just follow your vpd chart
and start to make decisions based on that.

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Mandy: Wow.

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Thank you guys.

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That was super educational.

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We had about five questions come in in
that time, so, and a couple of shoutouts

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Mista says, thanks for the reply.

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00:20:47,420 --> 00:20:48,980
We'll be in contact for sure.

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We have a question from Grateful.

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Have you ever seen or used scales
under rockwool to determine drive

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back percentage and shot scheduling?

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Jason: Sure.

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So let's talk about
load cells a little bit.

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In Dr.

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Greenhouses, you'll see
'em all over the place.

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People that are running, you know,
the high, high bay greenhouses doing

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cucumbers, peppers, tomatoes, you know,
they'll be running 15 foot high plants.

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They'll be running the entire bench
on load cells to evaluate water usage.

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So, on a really large scale, that
load cells are a great way to do it.

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When we go to evaluate our sensors
or do new sensor design, we're

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always cross-referencing it with,
with the scale in order to, to get

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those, those dry downs and stuff.

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So, In, Yeah, in application.

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It's fantastic.

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When it comes down to deploying
those type of sensors, it

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can be a little bit trickier.

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Obviously the cost of doing
a, a load cell setup in a

461
00:21:46,270 --> 00:21:48,655
greenhouse is it's pretty tough.

462
00:21:48,705 --> 00:21:51,735
There's, it's, it's a lot of money that's
going into there, and if you're looking

463
00:21:51,735 --> 00:21:53,865
to retrofit, almost never pays off.

464
00:21:53,925 --> 00:21:57,105
And that's where we see the
effectiveness of wireless sensor.

465
00:21:57,105 --> 00:22:01,035
Like the Terras 12 is, anybody can get
that purchased, you know, if they're

466
00:22:01,035 --> 00:22:04,935
in a 5,000 square foot greenhouse or
indoor, if they're in a hundred thousand

467
00:22:04,940 --> 00:22:10,245
square foot, they can have that system
up in a day without any engineering.

468
00:22:10,295 --> 00:22:16,005
You know, any saws, any any construction
workers revamp in that place.

469
00:22:16,035 --> 00:22:19,515
So if you, if you've got 'em,
absolutely take advantage of 'em.

470
00:22:19,605 --> 00:22:20,805
You know, as far as the principles.

471
00:22:21,180 --> 00:22:23,700
Pretty much the same
evaluating water content.

472
00:22:24,070 --> 00:22:27,730
You know, another advantage that TRA
12 s do have is you get temperature

473
00:22:27,730 --> 00:22:31,900
and electrical connectivity in
those substrates so that obviously

474
00:22:31,905 --> 00:22:34,825
you'd have to evaluate somehow
else if you are using load cells.

475
00:22:35,935 --> 00:22:38,365
Seth: Yeah, and you know that,
I think you nailed it there.

476
00:22:38,370 --> 00:22:42,665
It's really an implementation problem that
using wireless technology overcomes here.

477
00:22:43,145 --> 00:22:45,335
You know, if, if, how many load
cells would you need out there?

478
00:22:45,365 --> 00:22:48,605
If you had one per hundred square
foot, that would be so many load

479
00:22:48,610 --> 00:22:51,545
cells in a given facility and the
cost is gonna be so much greater.

480
00:22:52,145 --> 00:22:55,985
But currently, right now, where they
come in handy, honestly, is cloning.

481
00:22:57,035 --> 00:22:59,705
So where your dry rock
will slab, wet it up.

482
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:00,680
Weigh it.

483
00:23:01,310 --> 00:23:03,740
And then now, you know, every
gram is a milliliter of water.

484
00:23:03,770 --> 00:23:06,170
We can figure out how much water
those clones are pulling out.

485
00:23:06,170 --> 00:23:07,340
We can watch 'em getting lighter.

486
00:23:07,370 --> 00:23:08,840
We can watch 'em not getting lighter.

487
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,960
That's, that's kind of at this point
where scales and load cells come in.

488
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,340
The other thing is you know, over
the years looking at it, if we, we've

489
00:23:17,345 --> 00:23:20,520
gotta correct our measurement on
a load cell because we're building

490
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:21,900
weight in the plant above it.

491
00:23:22,650 --> 00:23:26,910
So at the end of the day, it is a
really cool measurement, but all we

492
00:23:26,910 --> 00:23:30,530
can really look at is the difference
between right after we water.

493
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,970
And then later in the day and always
know that we have a little bit of

494
00:23:33,970 --> 00:23:39,400
inaccuracy because we have a changing
by the minute weight above the pot.

495
00:23:40,420 --> 00:23:43,840
Jason: Yeah, that's, that's what I was
gonna mention as well as you know, the

496
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,530
high tech growers that have used them
in traditional horticulture, they have

497
00:23:47,860 --> 00:23:51,890
biomass accumulation models in which that
they're using to offset that load cell.

498
00:23:52,110 --> 00:23:56,280
Unless you really wanna dig into the
science of it and you know how fast

499
00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:01,690
your plants grow as far as their,
their carbon buildup, then it's gonna

500
00:24:01,695 --> 00:24:02,740
be quite a bit of work to get there.

501
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,300
If you're running a new genetic you
know, when you're dele, these are all

502
00:24:06,350 --> 00:24:10,550
weight attributes that are gonna adjust
the, the load cell and, and you're gonna

503
00:24:10,550 --> 00:24:13,640
have to account for those when you're
using it for water content if you want.

504
00:24:15,225 --> 00:24:15,465
Seth: Yeah.

505
00:24:15,465 --> 00:24:18,275
And, and I mean, a way I like to look
at it too is you know, using the load

506
00:24:18,275 --> 00:24:21,325
cells can kind of go back, you could
compare it to trade to calculate total

507
00:24:21,325 --> 00:24:24,325
transpiration across the greenhouse
based on, you know, leaf surfaces,

508
00:24:24,325 --> 00:24:26,785
bpd, and approximately leaf area index.

509
00:24:26,785 --> 00:24:30,625
Well, I know my leaf area index is
gonna be a very, very rough estimation.

510
00:24:30,725 --> 00:24:35,075
In fact, I'd just say it's a guesstimation
because it's gonna be wildly inaccurate.

511
00:24:35,465 --> 00:24:38,255
So I know if I'm calculating
transpiration rates and water

512
00:24:38,260 --> 00:24:39,905
usage that way, I'm gonna be.

513
00:24:40,325 --> 00:24:43,865
Looking at pretty wide averages isn't
something that's very approximate, and

514
00:24:43,865 --> 00:24:46,805
that's kind of the same way we look at
that load cell, unless you spend the time

515
00:24:46,805 --> 00:24:48,395
and money to take it to that next level.

516
00:24:49,445 --> 00:24:52,715
And right now, most cannabis producers
are too busy trying to make money.

517
00:24:52,955 --> 00:24:56,675
I, I will say, your, your time is
better spent building your business

518
00:24:56,675 --> 00:25:00,095
and making sure it's gonna be there
next year and the year after than it

519
00:25:00,095 --> 00:25:04,465
is pursuing expensive research in your
little fac in your not little, but

520
00:25:04,465 --> 00:25:06,115
any particular facility right now.

521
00:25:06,115 --> 00:25:07,135
It's, it's just expensive.

522
00:25:07,225 --> 00:25:10,855
You know, don't, don't take chances unless
you're willing to throw your weed away.

523
00:25:11,995 --> 00:25:12,985
That's kind of the way to look at it.

524
00:25:14,365 --> 00:25:14,455
Well,

525
00:25:14,455 --> 00:25:16,465
Mandy: when you put it that
way, it's an easy decision.

526
00:25:16,775 --> 00:25:19,175
Thank you guys for those questions
that are coming in over on YouTube.

527
00:25:19,175 --> 00:25:20,225
We did have a couple more.

528
00:25:20,745 --> 00:25:24,795
John wants to know my new stock
is in Pure Coco this next run.

529
00:25:24,795 --> 00:25:28,910
As for your advice, since there's a
ready to roll you said recently it takes

530
00:25:28,910 --> 00:25:31,340
longer for full spectrum l e d to rip in.

531
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,030
Can you gimme like a ballpark?

532
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:41,180
Jason: Not, not confidently without
knowing genetics and environment

533
00:25:41,180 --> 00:25:43,460
and light intensity at that canopy.

534
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:50,210
I, you know, maybe if, you know, you're
riping it over seven days, you might

535
00:25:50,215 --> 00:25:55,310
see 10 to 12 days of ripening, but
it's gonna be quite genetic dependent.

536
00:25:55,650 --> 00:25:59,850
You know, when we look at that,
that spectrum change, it's, it's

537
00:25:59,850 --> 00:26:02,840
affecting different different
chemicals in there, right?

538
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,650
So when we look at Cyros, cryptos
those are secondary tabloids.

539
00:26:06,980 --> 00:26:10,620
And the concentration of
those is, is widely different

540
00:26:10,620 --> 00:26:12,030
from cultivar to cultivar.

541
00:26:12,220 --> 00:26:15,310
And typically those are the ones
that are modifying how quickly we

542
00:26:15,310 --> 00:26:15,850
Seth: ripen up.

543
00:26:16,750 --> 00:26:16,990
Yep.

544
00:26:17,020 --> 00:26:20,260
And I, I wish I'd prepared some
pictures for this question.

545
00:26:20,340 --> 00:26:24,690
I have seen many, many examples of growers
that have both i d and L E D rooms.

546
00:26:24,690 --> 00:26:26,760
Typically they're running a
little bit longer, sometimes

547
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,080
in that four to five day range.

548
00:26:28,410 --> 00:26:31,260
Some strains I actually get quicker
under their LEDs with full spectrum.

549
00:26:31,380 --> 00:26:35,460
Like Jason said, it's genetically, it's
really hard to make that or tell you for

550
00:26:35,460 --> 00:26:37,110
what you're growing, what's gonna happen.

551
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,630
But back to the pictures just because
of the spectrum and type of radiation

552
00:26:41,630 --> 00:26:45,320
that's hitting those buds and that plant
in general throughout its life, a lot of

553
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:49,700
plants will look morphologically different
under an L E D versus an a, an hps.

554
00:26:49,700 --> 00:26:52,970
So like, and what I mean by that is
when we look up the L e D might just

555
00:26:52,970 --> 00:26:54,080
have a little bit different shape.

556
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,470
We might have a taller bud with
the i d in a shorter fatter bud

557
00:26:57,470 --> 00:27:00,320
with the L E d, we might have a
little slightly different color.

558
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,680
We might have a little darker green with
the i d versus the L E D or vice versa.

559
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,410
So there's a lot of little
differences to look at.

560
00:27:06,410 --> 00:27:09,905
And then even when we get into the
world of LEDs, . You know, do we

561
00:27:09,905 --> 00:27:12,275
have a far red supplementation?

562
00:27:12,275 --> 00:27:13,805
Do we have UV supplementation?

563
00:27:13,805 --> 00:27:16,745
There's a lot of factors in that
spectrum that are gonna influence that.

564
00:27:17,675 --> 00:27:20,615
Jason: And this, this is a
really fun area of study.

565
00:27:20,665 --> 00:27:23,365
Yeah, for me, because traditional
and agriculture, there hasn't

566
00:27:23,365 --> 00:27:28,765
been a ton of energy spent in the
sciences of was photo morphogenesis.

567
00:27:28,865 --> 00:27:32,175
And that would be talking about
how plants, physiology changes

568
00:27:32,175 --> 00:27:34,905
over time in respect to The light.

569
00:27:35,235 --> 00:27:35,355
Mm-hmm.

570
00:27:35,895 --> 00:27:40,005
, and that can be light intensity, like be
intensity combined with spectrum as well.

571
00:27:40,215 --> 00:27:44,900
So really neat things that we're seeing
especially moving to LEDs and we see

572
00:27:44,900 --> 00:27:50,600
some LED manufacturers doing adjustable
spectrum and their LEDs as well.

573
00:27:50,810 --> 00:27:55,730
So if you are using adjustable spectrum,
probably good to start doing some AB

574
00:27:55,730 --> 00:28:00,410
testing on rooms and, you know, playing
with the, the blues maybe earlier on.

575
00:28:00,410 --> 00:28:02,630
And then playing with some,
some infrared to see if you

576
00:28:02,635 --> 00:28:04,070
can't trim down your right time.

577
00:28:05,210 --> 00:28:05,420
Seth: Yeah.

578
00:28:05,420 --> 00:28:08,810
Then make sure you know, I mean, back to
any kind of experimentation, make sure you

579
00:28:08,815 --> 00:28:12,500
document it properly, you know, if you're
gonna be playing with that document.

580
00:28:12,500 --> 00:28:13,100
Every change you've.

581
00:28:13,930 --> 00:28:14,620
At every time.

582
00:28:14,620 --> 00:28:17,650
And then also, you know, we're
talking about the effects

583
00:28:17,650 --> 00:28:19,030
of light spectrum on plants.

584
00:28:19,450 --> 00:28:20,020
Go back to it.

585
00:28:20,020 --> 00:28:21,700
We've gotta look at that holistic run.

586
00:28:22,390 --> 00:28:26,050
So if I just change the spectrum for
two weeks in the middle of the run

587
00:28:26,050 --> 00:28:29,890
and I wanna call that a difference,
or one week or two days, I really need

588
00:28:29,890 --> 00:28:33,100
an extended period of time for that to
actually morphologically change the plant.

589
00:28:35,410 --> 00:28:35,830
Mandy: Awesome.

590
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:37,720
All super important
things to keep in mind.

591
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:39,600
John, I hope that answered your question.

592
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:39,960
Yeah.

593
00:28:40,060 --> 00:28:42,040
Follow up with any other
questions you have.

594
00:28:42,350 --> 00:28:49,340
Just for asks, what pH ranges have you
guys found most successful in rockwool?

595
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:51,310
Jason: 5.6.

596
00:28:52,390 --> 00:28:52,630
Seth: Yeah.

597
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:53,770
5.6.

598
00:28:53,830 --> 00:28:54,460
5.7.

599
00:28:54,460 --> 00:28:55,060
5.8.

600
00:28:55,060 --> 00:28:55,750
5.9.

601
00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:57,130
Usually right at 5.6.

602
00:28:57,130 --> 00:29:00,720
Going in though, cuz you don't have quite
as much variability as you would say co.

603
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:02,160
Jason: Yeah.

604
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:03,930
I'll add one caveat on that.

605
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:09,670
When we are wedding up a rockwool that
has a surfactant in it, a wedding agent,

606
00:29:09,970 --> 00:29:13,030
then sometimes we'll actually wanna go
just slightly lower because typically

607
00:29:13,030 --> 00:29:15,290
those surfactants are more basic.

608
00:29:15,650 --> 00:29:19,370
And so if I'm, we up rockwool for
the first time, a lot of times I'll

609
00:29:19,370 --> 00:29:24,750
go in it like five four just to make
sure that I am dissolving the that

610
00:29:24,750 --> 00:29:26,160
wedding agent out of the product.

611
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:31,170
And then I'll be at that, that standard
5, 6, 5 7 after the the we shop.

612
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:32,190
Seth: Yeah.

613
00:29:32,195 --> 00:29:36,235
You know, a good rule of thumb
for rockwool or Coco is VDC feed

614
00:29:36,235 --> 00:29:38,365
pH, that's what you're, what
we're typically going in at.

615
00:29:38,365 --> 00:29:42,355
And then if we test runoff, test
the plant, like coco for instance,

616
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,925
if we've got something that's super
salty , well you might wanna rinse it

617
00:29:45,925 --> 00:29:48,895
out a few times per the instructions,
test it to make sure it's good.

618
00:29:49,555 --> 00:29:53,450
And yeah, at the end of the day, I
think best practice is always when

619
00:29:53,450 --> 00:29:57,050
you've got either an old or new media,
wet it up with the solution you're

620
00:29:57,050 --> 00:30:00,050
gonna use, test it, make sure it's
sitting where you want it to sit.

621
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,060
Try to get a little runoff, make
sure you don't have anything that

622
00:30:03,060 --> 00:30:04,260
you don't wanna be planting in.

623
00:30:04,350 --> 00:30:06,900
You know, that's just best
safety practice for your plants.

624
00:30:08,940 --> 00:30:09,390
Mandy: Awesome.

625
00:30:09,390 --> 00:30:09,990
Thanks guys.

626
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:11,230
Laura had a question.

627
00:30:11,260 --> 00:30:12,480
Laura, do you wanna ask your question?

628
00:30:15,450 --> 00:30:15,900
Sure.

629
00:30:15,900 --> 00:30:20,460
Hey guys, I'm just curious to
know what exactly Coco is made.

630
00:30:21,870 --> 00:30:27,710
Jason: Coco Courier is made out of
coconut husk and it is crushed and

631
00:30:27,710 --> 00:30:33,260
shredded and then it's washed and dried
and sometimes it's compressed into

632
00:30:33,265 --> 00:30:35,150
blocks so that it stores and ships well.

633
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,565
Seth: Yeah, it's a, it's actually
a byproduct of the general coconut

634
00:30:38,835 --> 00:30:41,205
industry that has been around ever since.

635
00:30:41,205 --> 00:30:43,905
They started stripping coconuts can
and sending 'em over and sending

636
00:30:43,905 --> 00:30:46,455
'em overseas, so pretty neat.

637
00:30:48,795 --> 00:30:49,245
Mandy: Awesome.

638
00:30:49,335 --> 00:30:49,545
Thanks.

639
00:30:49,545 --> 00:30:50,025
Super neat.

640
00:30:50,025 --> 00:30:51,735
Thanks, . Thank you.

641
00:30:52,665 --> 00:30:54,885
Yeah, learning, learning things every day.

642
00:30:55,075 --> 00:30:57,925
Back to some of our Instagram
questions cuz we have a ton.

643
00:30:58,205 --> 00:31:00,845
This is a little bit
longer, so bear with me.

644
00:31:01,205 --> 00:31:05,165
What's the easiest way to raise your
substrate ec while generative steering?

645
00:31:05,315 --> 00:31:07,535
So I use smaller shot sizes.

646
00:31:07,815 --> 00:31:11,985
So do I use smaller shot sizes or do I
lower the frequency of irrigation events?

647
00:31:11,985 --> 00:31:16,245
During my P one, I'm currently
doing ten four percent shots

648
00:31:16,245 --> 00:31:17,835
until I hit Mac saturation.

649
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,595
And then sometimes I'll add
a couple of maintenance shots

650
00:31:20,595 --> 00:31:22,065
so I don't dry back too hard.

651
00:31:22,355 --> 00:31:24,845
I'm using six inch Hugo Blocks.

652
00:31:24,845 --> 00:31:28,855
It's been difficult to get
my EC up past two yeah, 2.0.

653
00:31:29,105 --> 00:31:31,745
I'm also wondering if my
sensors aren't working properly.

654
00:31:31,795 --> 00:31:33,920
It's another system that
I won't mention here.

655
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,100
. 
Jason: So , yeah, we,
we won't mention that.

656
00:31:38,335 --> 00:31:39,115
Part, either.

657
00:31:39,195 --> 00:31:39,435
Well, I

658
00:31:39,435 --> 00:31:41,925
Seth: don't think we have to
discredit them with this one though,

659
00:31:42,765 --> 00:31:44,205
. 
Jason: So a couple things.

660
00:31:44,205 --> 00:31:46,965
I mean, the easiest answer, if
everything else was right in, in

661
00:31:46,965 --> 00:31:50,505
track, then reducing runoff would
be, that's, that's the easy answer.

662
00:31:50,775 --> 00:31:52,335
Couple things going on here, though.

663
00:31:52,365 --> 00:31:54,315
So we're really glad that
you included the details.

664
00:31:54,435 --> 00:31:57,015
You know, if you're running in
a six by six Hugo and you have

665
00:31:57,015 --> 00:31:59,925
to do the maintenance shots then
it's gonna be tricky to do some of

666
00:31:59,925 --> 00:32:03,135
that, you know, reduce and runoff
and, and keeping your ec stacking.

667
00:32:03,385 --> 00:32:06,535
So if your plants are big enough, you
might just consider going in a little bit

668
00:32:06,535 --> 00:32:11,185
larger media you know, possibly into some
slabs and and or run like an eight by

669
00:32:11,185 --> 00:32:13,045
if you don't like slabs for some reason.

670
00:32:13,105 --> 00:32:14,305
I personally love slab.

671
00:32:14,725 --> 00:32:17,425
Yeah, so those, I guess those
would be kind of the, the

672
00:32:17,425 --> 00:32:19,555
more advanced solutions to it.

673
00:32:19,555 --> 00:32:21,655
And then also look at your cdc.

674
00:32:21,895 --> 00:32:24,655
If you're feeding too low, those
plants are gonna be eaten up the

675
00:32:24,660 --> 00:32:26,755
nutrients and they won't stack.

676
00:32:27,100 --> 00:32:27,460
Right.

677
00:32:27,730 --> 00:32:31,740
And so, you know, if you're going in
anywhere under say, two and a half

678
00:32:31,740 --> 00:32:35,010
with a two part salt, then you're
probably just running outta nutrients,

679
00:32:35,010 --> 00:32:36,000
and that's why it's not building.

680
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:37,610
Seth: Yeah.

681
00:32:37,610 --> 00:32:41,030
And you know, I mean, one really important
factor when you're trying to dial all

682
00:32:41,030 --> 00:32:44,630
this in, especially these shots, and
look at like, okay, how much, how much

683
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:48,020
runoff can I push and look at, you
know, what my EC is doing after that?

684
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,910
Right now it sounds like there's a
good chance that a lot of the time,

685
00:32:50,910 --> 00:32:53,520
especially with the maintenance shots,
like Jason mentioned, you're just

686
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,620
washing back to your CDCC basically.

687
00:32:56,220 --> 00:32:59,630
And another thing to consider too
is if you are trying to stack it up,

688
00:32:59,750 --> 00:33:01,190
you're, you can't keep up with it.

689
00:33:01,190 --> 00:33:03,050
We didn't come out of veg
with a high enough ec.

690
00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:08,090
Sometimes we gotta up that vdc, you know,
upping from a 2.5 to a 3.0 is a good

691
00:33:08,090 --> 00:33:11,540
place to start if that's where you're at,
which is where, you know, the highest,

692
00:33:11,540 --> 00:33:13,100
a lot of traditional mixes will come in.

693
00:33:13,630 --> 00:33:17,320
Even going up to a 3.5 or a
four sometimes is necessary.

694
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,290
If we've got a plant that
just cannot stack ec, but we

695
00:33:20,290 --> 00:33:21,370
always wanna balance that.

696
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:22,900
We always need some runoff.

697
00:33:23,350 --> 00:33:28,510
So, yeah, modulating runoff
is typically the way we, we

698
00:33:28,510 --> 00:33:30,400
stack EC on the AROYA program.

699
00:33:31,855 --> 00:33:32,155
Mandy: Great.

700
00:33:32,155 --> 00:33:33,175
Thanks for that advice.

701
00:33:33,465 --> 00:33:36,165
Jason also over on YouTube
has another question.

702
00:33:36,355 --> 00:33:38,125
What's your strategy for plant Dr.

703
00:33:38,185 --> 00:33:41,005
For plant not drying
evenly in our greenhouses?

704
00:33:41,245 --> 00:33:45,255
Overate the slow feeders or underwater,
the strong plant, the stronger plants.

705
00:33:45,255 --> 00:33:46,515
Thanks for any information you have.

706
00:33:47,695 --> 00:33:51,505
Jason: Process review and understand
what's resulting in those inconsistencies

707
00:33:51,565 --> 00:33:53,665
is where, where I like to go with it.

708
00:33:53,775 --> 00:33:59,085
Obviously prevention is ideal, so if
there's places in your cutting processes

709
00:33:59,085 --> 00:34:02,565
that you think you can improve, if you
need to tear out your drip emitters

710
00:34:02,565 --> 00:34:07,665
because they're clogged and not run any
any TOC based additives in the future.

711
00:34:07,735 --> 00:34:09,415
Those, those are definitely
things, you know, making sure you

712
00:34:09,415 --> 00:34:13,315
got enough pressure so that those
PCMs are operating appropriately

713
00:34:13,315 --> 00:34:15,325
across all of the, the plants.

714
00:34:15,565 --> 00:34:20,095
So my first step personally
would be just to review why we're

715
00:34:20,100 --> 00:34:21,685
running into those inconsistencies.

716
00:34:21,945 --> 00:34:25,455
And then obviously if I had to energy
left leftover from that, maybe I

717
00:34:25,460 --> 00:34:28,125
would, I would try to compensate
with, with what we're dealing with,

718
00:34:28,205 --> 00:34:28,405
Seth: right?

719
00:34:29,315 --> 00:34:29,585
Yeah.

720
00:34:29,585 --> 00:34:30,905
So I mean, a few things there.

721
00:34:30,965 --> 00:34:33,545
You know, number one,
we gotta go find those.

722
00:34:33,815 --> 00:34:37,265
We gotta establish, do we have a micro
climate problem in, in this facility

723
00:34:37,265 --> 00:34:39,055
or do we have a irrigation problem?

724
00:34:39,115 --> 00:34:43,165
So number one, if we've established that
the irrigation works, it's consistent.

725
00:34:43,170 --> 00:34:43,585
Alright.

726
00:34:44,215 --> 00:34:45,505
You know, number two processes.

727
00:34:45,505 --> 00:34:47,755
Alright, we, you know, how are
the plants coming out of veg?

728
00:34:47,755 --> 00:34:49,105
Do we actually have consistency?

729
00:34:49,105 --> 00:34:51,475
But you did say one thing that
tipped me off, which is greenhouse.

730
00:34:52,105 --> 00:34:55,285
Now a lot of cannabis greenhouse houses
that I've seen, you know, some of 'em

731
00:34:55,285 --> 00:34:58,165
are changing that, but typically I have
a longitudinal airflow, which means we

732
00:34:58,165 --> 00:35:02,575
have a pretty big gradient from where the
air enters the room and where it exits.

733
00:35:03,065 --> 00:35:08,255
The other side of this is the trend
in horticulture in general, especially

734
00:35:08,255 --> 00:35:11,555
pre cannabis, which is carried into
cannabis, is to install your benches.

735
00:35:12,795 --> 00:35:16,365
Parallel to that longitudinal
flow rather than perpendicular.

736
00:35:16,365 --> 00:35:20,745
And what that means is now we have
irrigation zones that are running a

737
00:35:20,775 --> 00:35:22,635
longitudinal differential across them.

738
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,695
So we have a zone where one end is
drying out faster than the other.

739
00:35:25,695 --> 00:35:26,355
Effectively.

740
00:35:27,235 --> 00:35:30,920
It doesn't sound exciting, but
sometimes in those situations you

741
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:36,220
know, ideally we'd re reorganize
the room so our zoning was correct.

742
00:35:36,220 --> 00:35:38,580
Well, sometimes we've already
invested all this money into

743
00:35:38,580 --> 00:35:39,620
this bench layout and stuff.

744
00:35:40,340 --> 00:35:41,420
What's the next option?

745
00:35:41,930 --> 00:35:42,620
More zones.

746
00:35:43,970 --> 00:35:44,750
Buy more solenoid.

747
00:35:44,750 --> 00:35:49,130
Zone it off so you can, you know, be more
precise with your irrigation application

748
00:35:49,135 --> 00:35:52,670
and treat those parts of the room that
you know you're having problems with.

749
00:35:53,220 --> 00:35:57,240
But it, but it really all starts, like
Jason said, foundationally, look at

750
00:35:57,240 --> 00:36:01,330
your processes, look at your greenhouse
and actually isolate that problem.

751
00:36:01,900 --> 00:36:06,370
Cuz again, if we have a big differential
and we put in the most consistent crop,

752
00:36:06,460 --> 00:36:11,970
but it's all in one irrigation zone,
then our, our ability to treat any

753
00:36:11,970 --> 00:36:13,500
one plan is kind of out the window.

754
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,720
Jason: Yeah, I I did a video just
on kind of the statistical basis

755
00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:22,320
of population data, and so go check
it out on our YouTube channel.

756
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:24,720
I think it's called Growth
Behavior or something like that.

757
00:36:25,050 --> 00:36:28,310
And it might give you a couple ideas
on how to identify those issues.

758
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:32,030
So obviously if you do see a very
clear gradient, like Seth's talking

759
00:36:32,030 --> 00:36:33,950
about it is probably climate related.

760
00:36:34,250 --> 00:36:38,630
If the consistency is spotty based,
then it's probably more likely

761
00:36:38,635 --> 00:36:41,110
irrigation or plant consistency based.

762
00:36:42,010 --> 00:36:42,970
Seth: Yep, that's a good point.

763
00:36:42,975 --> 00:36:44,140
And then we're looking at that too.

764
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,350
You know, remember we're always, we
don't have a sensor on every plant.

765
00:36:47,350 --> 00:36:48,760
We don't have a valve for every plant.

766
00:36:48,765 --> 00:36:51,400
So at the end of the day, we're
always playing a game of averages

767
00:36:51,820 --> 00:36:55,510
and working on a range for every,
every parameter we're looking at.

768
00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:57,730
The best we can do is try to
equip ourselves so we can make

769
00:36:57,735 --> 00:36:59,080
that range narrower and narrow.

770
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:01,840
Mandy: Awesome.

771
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:02,500
Thanks guys.

772
00:37:02,810 --> 00:37:05,870
Moving on down our list from our
questions from Instagram this past week.

773
00:37:06,260 --> 00:37:11,680
In our Y Garden is asking I'm looking for
some guidance on Target ec in the first

774
00:37:11,685 --> 00:37:18,570
20, in the first 21 days of Bloom and
target c 21 days until the end of Flower.

775
00:37:18,690 --> 00:37:19,950
Do you guys have any advice?

776
00:37:22,410 --> 00:37:23,790
Seth: What's your EC coming out of Veg?

777
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,580
That's, that's where we'll start.

778
00:37:26,940 --> 00:37:30,010
EC is a very it's not
a static Ranger number.

779
00:37:30,070 --> 00:37:33,450
It's a dynamic value that If we're
gonna approach what's optimal, it's

780
00:37:33,450 --> 00:37:37,110
not even for each strain we're going
down to, you know, each facility.

781
00:37:37,110 --> 00:37:40,320
Do you have h i d, do you have
l e d and then run to run.

782
00:37:40,890 --> 00:37:42,240
How consistent have you been?

783
00:37:42,300 --> 00:37:45,240
Where did you come out of veg
at and what can we expect to

784
00:37:45,300 --> 00:37:46,680
stack up to at these plants?

785
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:51,810
So some plants, if we come out of veg
at 1.5 or two, once we put those into.

786
00:37:53,140 --> 00:37:55,960
, I can guarantee you most plants
aren't gonna stack up very well

787
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,290
feeding at a 2.5 or a 3.0 because
they're gonna chop through that salt

788
00:37:59,290 --> 00:38:00,490
faster and we can get it on there.

789
00:38:01,090 --> 00:38:03,460
Now, when that's the case
what am I looking to do?

790
00:38:03,460 --> 00:38:05,650
Am I looking to really
jack up that EC right away?

791
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:06,850
Not necessarily.

792
00:38:06,940 --> 00:38:11,320
I'm gonna go look at plant health and say,
Okay, I might like to be in generative

793
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,090
up in maybe this four to nine range.

794
00:38:13,780 --> 00:38:15,160
That's not gonna happen, this run.

795
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:16,210
So what do I gotta do?

796
00:38:16,210 --> 00:38:18,220
I've gotta go back to
managing plant health.

797
00:38:18,940 --> 00:38:21,610
And when we're talking about ec, the
biggest thing to remember is that the

798
00:38:21,610 --> 00:38:24,100
plant can adapt to that EC only so fast.

799
00:38:24,670 --> 00:38:28,030
So during stretch, we're
gonna be building up, ideally.

800
00:38:28,590 --> 00:38:31,950
But if we couldn't build up in stretch now
we're gonna be running a little lower in

801
00:38:31,950 --> 00:38:33,450
bulking and a little lower in ripening.

802
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,070
That's just how it works.

803
00:38:35,070 --> 00:38:37,620
So, I mean, I know it sounds
weird that we're always hesitant

804
00:38:37,625 --> 00:38:41,390
to give exact numbers and that's
because there aren't exact numbers.

805
00:38:42,020 --> 00:38:45,200
You know, I could, same thing we were
talking about the same strain under l e d

806
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,270
and h I d I can show you the same strain.

807
00:38:47,270 --> 00:38:51,110
The same guy grew one finishing
out at, you know, over a 10 ec

808
00:38:52,070 --> 00:38:55,160
and then the other one trying to
flush, trying to taper it down.

809
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:55,820
And guess what?

810
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:58,820
The bud does look a little different,
but neither of 'em are bad.

811
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,780
And neither of 'em have a heavy
black ash or any problem like that.

812
00:39:02,785 --> 00:39:07,110
So, it really comes down to
your trajectory and then how

813
00:39:07,110 --> 00:39:10,650
well you can be consistent run
to run, to really dial that in.

814
00:39:12,765 --> 00:39:14,985
Jason: Yeah, and I think he's he's
one of our clients up there in

815
00:39:14,985 --> 00:39:16,695
Canada that's got AROYA system.

816
00:39:16,755 --> 00:39:21,395
So set your target ranges and alerts
in your harvest groups and and then,

817
00:39:21,395 --> 00:39:23,765
you know, if, if you don't have time
to be looking at the graph, maybe,

818
00:39:23,885 --> 00:39:27,665
you know, every single morning, then
our system can kind of just help you

819
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:31,865
keep in in those adjustment timeframes
when you need to make modifications

820
00:39:31,865 --> 00:39:33,335
to that are easy that you want.

821
00:39:34,115 --> 00:39:36,935
Seth: Yeah, and typically, you know,
I, I actually don't recommend that

822
00:39:36,935 --> 00:39:38,525
people set alerts for their ec.

823
00:39:38,595 --> 00:39:41,090
I always recommend you set an
alert for your water content.

824
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:46,130
Your high EC spike is always gonna
correspond to an over drying event.

825
00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:49,730
And then at that point we just gotta
look at how well did you try it all the

826
00:39:49,730 --> 00:39:51,440
way down to wilting, how far did we go?

827
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,180
And then evaluate the damage there.

828
00:39:56,300 --> 00:39:57,140
Mandy: Thank you guys.

829
00:39:57,530 --> 00:40:01,460
So one love Rebel wrote in on
Instagram crop steering and

830
00:40:01,460 --> 00:40:03,550
larger pots, five gallons and up.

831
00:40:03,550 --> 00:40:05,470
Do you guys have any advice from me?

832
00:40:06,700 --> 00:40:06,850
Any

833
00:40:06,850 --> 00:40:09,700
Jason: general tips, Grow
your plants outside, say big

834
00:40:09,700 --> 00:40:10,210
Seth: plants.

835
00:40:10,270 --> 00:40:12,310
It's all about pot to
plant size proportion.

836
00:40:12,310 --> 00:40:15,580
And then also one thing to
consider about those big plants.

837
00:40:15,660 --> 00:40:20,250
Hey, I, it's pretty cool to like veg
indoors and in May put out a six foot

838
00:40:20,255 --> 00:40:23,700
plant into the ground that, you know,
is gonna get to be 14 feet tall.

839
00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:27,250
You know, the danger, one of the
dangers about that is we tend to see

840
00:40:27,250 --> 00:40:32,070
a lot higher rates of root pathogen
and infection in l plants that are

841
00:40:32,070 --> 00:40:35,280
in a big pot for a longer amount of
time, just cuz we can't get consistent

842
00:40:35,340 --> 00:40:37,170
oxygen penetration into that pot.

843
00:40:37,710 --> 00:40:41,460
So we end up with anaerobic pockets
and depending on your environment,

844
00:40:41,460 --> 00:40:44,910
you could be exposed to fusarium or
pythium or a number of other soil

845
00:40:44,910 --> 00:40:46,980
diseases that we don't want in there.

846
00:40:46,985 --> 00:40:51,815
So, yeah, basic advice if you
wanna do that, you're going big and

847
00:40:51,815 --> 00:40:55,835
then, you know, I, all I can say
is send me pictures down the line.

848
00:40:57,305 --> 00:40:58,295
Mandy: Go big or go home.

849
00:40:58,355 --> 00:40:59,705
That's what I'm gonna say for this one.

850
00:40:59,955 --> 00:41:02,115
Awesome King Green Beast rode in too.

851
00:41:02,634 --> 00:41:05,575
Why are people convinced that
product comes out better when

852
00:41:05,580 --> 00:41:07,555
grown in coco instead of rockwool?

853
00:41:07,705 --> 00:41:08,545
Have you guys heard that?

854
00:41:09,924 --> 00:41:10,285
Seth: Yeah.

855
00:41:10,354 --> 00:41:11,549
I'll touch on that for a second.

856
00:41:11,660 --> 00:41:13,070
Because coco looks like dirt

857
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,190
And I will say there are some people out
there that are running kind of a hybrid

858
00:41:20,190 --> 00:41:24,060
system where they are throwing a lot
of different organic inputs and mixing

859
00:41:24,060 --> 00:41:25,820
up their own soilless mix with coco.

860
00:41:26,250 --> 00:41:30,180
So there may be certain additives
that you can get in there that people

861
00:41:30,185 --> 00:41:32,009
are not able to add to the rock wall.

862
00:41:32,009 --> 00:41:36,149
But man, I I, I need to see some
quantification because a lot of,

863
00:41:36,149 --> 00:41:37,810
I hear, a lot of it, I hear is.

864
00:41:38,390 --> 00:41:43,500
Well, I just feel, and you know, I, I
personally don't think there's a whole

865
00:41:43,500 --> 00:41:47,970
lot of, if I'm running the same nutrient
line in rockwool or coco, as long as I'm

866
00:41:47,975 --> 00:41:51,120
running that, and as long as I don't abuse
either of those plants and they come out

867
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:55,770
fairly consistent in terms of the way
I grew 'em, I probably, I would defy to

868
00:41:55,770 --> 00:41:58,830
tell the difference, you know, we, we
can go back to those old wine tasting

869
00:41:58,830 --> 00:42:02,520
things where they had the cheap wines
unlabeled next to some expensive ones.

870
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,430
And, you know, even some of the fine
wine people couldn't tell the difference

871
00:42:05,490 --> 00:42:07,180
when they framed it in the right way.

872
00:42:08,859 --> 00:42:12,500
, 
Jason: I mean, yeah, maybe it's
better because rock or Coco's more

873
00:42:12,740 --> 00:42:15,230
eco-friendly than rockwool, you know?

874
00:42:15,650 --> 00:42:15,799
Yeah.

875
00:42:15,980 --> 00:42:19,580
Seth: And that, that's debatable too when
we talk about, you know, carbon footprint.

876
00:42:19,850 --> 00:42:20,210
Yeah.

877
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:21,680
Shipping something across the ocean.

878
00:42:21,779 --> 00:42:24,779
Yeah, like I said, I personally think
it comes down to, it looks like dirt and

879
00:42:24,830 --> 00:42:28,760
it, it has a different feel, you know,
And then on either have their hand too.

880
00:42:29,240 --> 00:42:32,839
You don't typically see many
people running rockwool outside

881
00:42:32,845 --> 00:42:34,009
of a commercial application.

882
00:42:34,015 --> 00:42:38,750
Yes, it happens, but people at home tend
to have a lot more, a lot better luck

883
00:42:38,959 --> 00:42:43,270
watering hand watering coco than rockwool
just because if you miss a day with your

884
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:47,230
rockwool, we all know that run screwed
or at least the yield on that run is

885
00:42:47,230 --> 00:42:50,259
so the coco better results over time.

886
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:52,120
Mandy: Huh.

887
00:42:52,420 --> 00:42:53,740
That kind of makes some sense there.

888
00:42:54,100 --> 00:42:56,770
River City Growers also
gonna end another question.

889
00:42:57,020 --> 00:43:00,890
What would the recommended parameters
be for drying and curing, like

890
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,170
temperatures, times relative humidity?

891
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:05,340
Do you guys have any advice

892
00:43:05,340 --> 00:43:05,460
Jason: for.

893
00:43:06,734 --> 00:43:11,125
Kind of what I start off with without
knowing anything else about what's

894
00:43:11,125 --> 00:43:14,875
going in as far as, you know, product
size or the goals of the facility.

895
00:43:15,235 --> 00:43:17,785
60 to 60, 60 for 10 days.

896
00:43:17,845 --> 00:43:20,480
That's kind of just,
just the starting point.

897
00:43:20,540 --> 00:43:24,200
So 60 degrees Fahrenheit,
60% humidity, 10 days.

898
00:43:24,300 --> 00:43:27,120
Obviously you, it's
pretty tough to hit those.

899
00:43:27,180 --> 00:43:28,050
Exactly right.

900
00:43:28,050 --> 00:43:30,630
You know, the first few days you're
probably gonna be pushing your HVAC as

901
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:32,850
hard as you can to, to get close to 60.

902
00:43:33,110 --> 00:43:37,700
But if without any other information,
that's, that's kind of what I'd like.

903
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:41,000
Seth: Yeah, I, that's, that's
a very reasonable goal.

904
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,850
They, my biggest thing to say
there is again, the consistency.

905
00:43:43,850 --> 00:43:47,720
Like Jason said, it might be tough
those first few days to establish

906
00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:50,450
that, but that's where, you know,
dialing your HVAC comes in and saying,

907
00:43:50,450 --> 00:43:54,350
Okay, we need X amount of extra du
capacity for the first three days.

908
00:43:54,355 --> 00:43:58,600
Then we can back it off to maintain that
60 and 60, I think One of the worst things

909
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:03,370
you can do is dry too fast, too quick
and really kill some of your bud quality

910
00:44:03,370 --> 00:44:07,230
there because it's hard to it's hard to
get that jar peel back after we've really

911
00:44:07,230 --> 00:44:10,680
crunched up the outside of the nu then
throwing it in bins and tumbled it around.

912
00:44:11,260 --> 00:44:14,560
I mean, hopefully we're not beating it
up that much, but hey, it's reality.

913
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,850
If we got 200 pounds of, of product to
pull down from a dry room and if that

914
00:44:18,850 --> 00:44:21,670
product has been dried in away, that makes
it fall apart, we're gonna have problems.

915
00:44:21,670 --> 00:44:21,970
Right.

916
00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:26,380
So just, just that
consistency and being patient,

917
00:44:28,540 --> 00:44:29,750
Mandy: it's so important to be patient.

918
00:44:30,500 --> 00:44:31,910
We had a couple more questions.

919
00:44:32,510 --> 00:44:33,380
It's that simple.

920
00:44:33,380 --> 00:44:40,310
Four 20 is asking when calculating 1%
shot size for coco, do you use US gallon

921
00:44:40,370 --> 00:44:43,070
four liter or nursery trade gallon,

922
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:44,030
Seth: three liter.

923
00:44:46,865 --> 00:44:50,090
, I try to get the actual
volume from the manufacturer.

924
00:44:50,090 --> 00:44:54,440
So if the manufacturer says a gallon pot,
does it say four liter or does it say

925
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,750
three liter, or does it say 3.78 liter?

926
00:44:57,995 --> 00:45:03,965
So typically just try to get the actual
value from the manufacturer and maybe

927
00:45:03,965 --> 00:45:05,945
look to where, where is your product made?

928
00:45:06,695 --> 00:45:09,755
If we're talking about Canada or Europe,
you know, when they say one gal, it's

929
00:45:09,755 --> 00:45:13,415
gonna be that four liters we're talking
about the us it's gonna be 3.5 probably.

930
00:45:13,805 --> 00:45:15,035
Jason: And when in doubt, major

931
00:45:15,035 --> 00:45:15,515
Seth: it yourself.

932
00:45:16,025 --> 00:45:17,135
Yeah, exactly.

933
00:45:17,465 --> 00:45:18,985
There's there's no crime in that.

934
00:45:19,335 --> 00:45:20,345
Dump it out and measure.

935
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:23,220
Mandy: All right, there we go.

936
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,600
Anyone on the chat with us,
please submit your questions.

937
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,030
We are rounding out our
hour with Seth and Jason.

938
00:45:28,060 --> 00:45:29,710
We can go ahead and get
your questions asked.

939
00:45:29,900 --> 00:45:31,940
I had one more question from Instagram.

940
00:45:32,210 --> 00:45:37,650
When, when you cannot get your vpd down at
the beginning of flowering what do you do?

941
00:45:38,850 --> 00:45:41,460
What are some what are some
tips you have for lowering p

942
00:45:41,460 --> 00:45:41,790
Jason: d?

943
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,400
I mean, so usually, you know,
temperature, probably you're hitting

944
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:46,390
the temperature that you want.

945
00:45:46,540 --> 00:45:50,050
So if your VPDs too high, it's usually
because we're having a hard time

946
00:45:50,050 --> 00:45:51,310
getting enough humidity in the room.

947
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:55,450
A lot of times you will see that early
in flour simply because your plants

948
00:45:55,455 --> 00:45:59,950
aren't large enough to transpire and
add as much water to the water vapor to

949
00:45:59,950 --> 00:46:02,200
the air as you will see later in flour.

950
00:46:02,420 --> 00:46:07,520
So increased humid humidification
capacity would be probably the easiest.

951
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,540
Seth: Yeah, I mean, for a
lot of people I've talked to,

952
00:46:10,540 --> 00:46:11,650
it's come to that realization.

953
00:46:11,650 --> 00:46:15,220
They've hit a room size now where their
small plants can't keep up and it's

954
00:46:15,220 --> 00:46:18,820
actually making that, that first time
installing a humidification system.

955
00:46:18,850 --> 00:46:18,910
Yeah.

956
00:46:18,910 --> 00:46:22,510
You know, sometimes depending
on your, your size of the volume

957
00:46:22,570 --> 00:46:23,620
of the space you're grown in.

958
00:46:23,620 --> 00:46:26,740
Before it wasn't an issue and now
it is, you know, and we see that a

959
00:46:26,740 --> 00:46:30,460
lot with people that move into like
warehouse spaces with very tall ceilings.

960
00:46:30,540 --> 00:46:33,450
Greenhouses particularly because you
have a lot of radiant energy coming

961
00:46:33,450 --> 00:46:36,420
in and actually warming up the air
compared to just having grow lights.

962
00:46:36,420 --> 00:46:40,140
So it's actually in the summer can be
quite hard to maintain that humidity.

963
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:46,020
So don't, don't be scared to either
buy a humidifier or we go back to it.

964
00:46:46,020 --> 00:46:48,420
If you got concrete floors
in your greenhouse, low tech

965
00:46:48,450 --> 00:46:49,650
spray some water on the floor.

966
00:46:49,650 --> 00:46:50,610
If it's getting that bad.

967
00:46:51,540 --> 00:46:55,290
Jason: Yeah, and you know, we were
just kind of discussing like when,

968
00:46:55,410 --> 00:46:58,980
when you do run into those issues,
if, if it's a one off thing, you know,

969
00:46:59,070 --> 00:47:03,630
it's for, you know, two days of the
cycle, then you may not need to justify

970
00:47:03,730 --> 00:47:05,260
some type of humanification system.

971
00:47:05,540 --> 00:47:09,110
You know, if it's, it's just barely
get something, you know, really cheap

972
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,000
to, to get that humanification system.

973
00:47:11,180 --> 00:47:14,930
If it's a significant impact, it's
happened every time through the cycles

974
00:47:14,930 --> 00:47:19,725
all year round, then then you're,
you're way better financially ahead

975
00:47:19,725 --> 00:47:21,285
just to, to get something in there.

976
00:47:22,515 --> 00:47:22,845
Seth: Yeah.

977
00:47:22,905 --> 00:47:27,165
It all comes back to return on, return
on investment and cost benefit analysis.

978
00:47:27,165 --> 00:47:31,455
If we don't need this all the time,
maybe we can't get around it, but when

979
00:47:31,455 --> 00:47:35,165
it's time for a serious infrastructure
upgrade a lot of times it's a lot cheaper

980
00:47:35,170 --> 00:47:38,585
to take care of the problem rather
than bandaid it for a long time over

981
00:47:38,585 --> 00:47:40,145
and over and throw that labor at it.

982
00:47:40,940 --> 00:47:41,150
. Yeah.

983
00:47:41,150 --> 00:47:44,870
Jason: You know, it's kind of interesting
when we look at the plant life cycle.

984
00:47:44,930 --> 00:47:50,110
So if we look at the room for improvement
it's the largest younger the plant is.

985
00:47:50,170 --> 00:47:54,735
So as our plant grows, our you know,
impacts of making an improvement

986
00:47:54,740 --> 00:47:58,815
to that, that plant environment,
irrigation decreases cuz that plant

987
00:47:58,815 --> 00:48:03,295
has less life left to basically grow
off the improvements that we've made.

988
00:48:03,535 --> 00:48:06,835
So if we can keep things as, you know,
as tight as possible early on, that's

989
00:48:06,835 --> 00:48:08,185
really gonna pay off towards the end.

990
00:48:08,575 --> 00:48:13,465
And vice versa, we have obviously a lot
more plant value as the plant gets older.

991
00:48:13,465 --> 00:48:17,215
So if we can build that value
as fast as possible, then then

992
00:48:17,215 --> 00:48:18,205
we're making the right choices

993
00:48:18,205 --> 00:48:18,595
Seth: in the room.

994
00:48:19,465 --> 00:48:19,675
Yeah.

995
00:48:19,675 --> 00:48:22,675
And then, you know, taking, taking a
second to think about what when you

996
00:48:22,675 --> 00:48:27,055
are making those choices, you know,
prices side, sometimes obviously

997
00:48:27,055 --> 00:48:29,275
there's an obvious winner when I'm
looking at two products, there's

998
00:48:29,275 --> 00:48:32,995
price versus quality or price versus
one on one product versus another.

999
00:48:32,995 --> 00:48:34,405
The other I can't afford, but.

1000
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,290
You don't always want to
go as cheap as possible.

1001
00:48:38,290 --> 00:48:40,870
Anytime you're upgrading, always
think for the future and say, Okay,

1002
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:43,960
You know, if we're talking about deh,
it's the same thing as humidifiers.

1003
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,230
If I'm getting a dehumidifier and I
need to double my capacity, I don't

1004
00:48:47,230 --> 00:48:50,650
want one more, I probably want four
more smaller ones, just cuz now I

1005
00:48:50,655 --> 00:48:52,360
have a greater degree to control.

1006
00:48:52,660 --> 00:48:55,510
The same would be apply to your
humid humidification system.

1007
00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:56,350
All right.

1008
00:48:56,350 --> 00:48:59,500
In this room, I'm starting to look
at the room size and at the area of

1009
00:48:59,500 --> 00:49:03,310
influence that one humidifier can have,
and then also how does it perform?

1010
00:49:03,310 --> 00:49:05,680
How consistent is it inside
that area of influence?

1011
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:10,810
Well, In reality, if my room's 2000 square
feet instead of one or two big ones, I

1012
00:49:10,810 --> 00:49:14,770
might want a system that has, you know,
12 or 15 different nozzles and access

1013
00:49:14,770 --> 00:49:18,880
points that are more evenly distributing
that humidity that's around the room.

1014
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,060
That way I'm not just accidentally
blasting the front of one bench,

1015
00:49:22,780 --> 00:49:26,590
meanwhile 10 feet back, it's perfect
and 20 feet past that, it's bad again.

1016
00:49:26,620 --> 00:49:31,180
So, you know, just really when you're
doing that cost benefit analysis, try to

1017
00:49:31,180 --> 00:49:37,540
think of every aspect of that improvement
and that upgrade, not just only that

1018
00:49:37,540 --> 00:49:38,950
delta that we're calculating for.

1019
00:49:40,530 --> 00:49:41,090
Mandy: Great.

1020
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,180
We had a couple more questions coming
over on YouTube, so I'm gonna try

1021
00:49:44,180 --> 00:49:45,370
to go through those real quickly.

1022
00:49:45,930 --> 00:49:49,129
Gabe wants to know, do you
have any advice to avoid white

1023
00:49:49,129 --> 00:49:51,170
mold buildup on top of Hugos?

1024
00:49:54,024 --> 00:49:56,924
Jason: I mean, you can
always put a cap on 'em.

1025
00:49:57,344 --> 00:49:58,964
That's not my favorite thing to do.

1026
00:49:58,969 --> 00:50:04,244
I typically, the molds aren't gonna
affect the plant growth too much if

1027
00:50:04,244 --> 00:50:05,834
it's on just the substrate itself.

1028
00:50:06,434 --> 00:50:08,564
So I usually don't get
so worried about it.

1029
00:50:08,624 --> 00:50:13,064
Obviously, it is unsightly and not the
best thing in the world, but when we look

1030
00:50:13,064 --> 00:50:17,594
at how much energy it is to combat versus
how harmful it is to our production,

1031
00:50:18,074 --> 00:50:22,334
it's usually towards the bottom of
the list on corrective actions that we

1032
00:50:22,339 --> 00:50:23,054
Seth: need to be taking.

1033
00:50:24,164 --> 00:50:24,344
Yeah.

1034
00:50:24,349 --> 00:50:27,964
And you know, I mean, some to look at
there what is causing the mold, typically

1035
00:50:27,969 --> 00:50:29,344
what we'd see is a lot more algae.

1036
00:50:29,394 --> 00:50:32,185
Do you have a root drench that you're
doing that has an organic component that

1037
00:50:32,185 --> 00:50:34,345
stays behind that the mold can grow on?

1038
00:50:35,035 --> 00:50:36,205
What, what's going on there?

1039
00:50:36,209 --> 00:50:38,309
Typically that question
comes a lot more from al.

1040
00:50:39,384 --> 00:50:42,145
And again with the mold, probably
what I would do afterwards is just

1041
00:50:42,355 --> 00:50:46,285
start dissecting those blocks and
saying, Okay, like algae, we could

1042
00:50:46,290 --> 00:50:50,154
pull apart a, a Hugo and I can start
shaving it down and show you that the

1043
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,845
algae actually isn't competing with
the plant for water or nutrients.

1044
00:50:53,845 --> 00:50:56,785
And we can calculate that
the uptake of that algae.

1045
00:50:56,785 --> 00:51:01,075
And it's the percentage you're losing in
efficiency in your system is negligible.

1046
00:51:01,375 --> 00:51:03,384
You're losing more to run
off than you are to algae.

1047
00:51:04,435 --> 00:51:07,645
And then again, that's the reason to go
and at the mold and dissect it, is that

1048
00:51:07,645 --> 00:51:09,205
actually like, do I have good roots?

1049
00:51:09,535 --> 00:51:13,884
Do I have good root growth, or is this
mold happening because I have root rot in

1050
00:51:13,890 --> 00:51:18,145
this top block, in that that dead organic
material is actually what's feeding it.

1051
00:51:18,145 --> 00:51:21,865
So look, it's, it's an indicator that
you might wanna look deeper at what's

1052
00:51:21,865 --> 00:51:26,065
going on, but just like Jason said, once
you've investigated the problem, I mean,

1053
00:51:26,545 --> 00:51:30,355
I've even said this about fungus snaps a
bunch of times, you know, and I do a lot

1054
00:51:30,355 --> 00:51:33,865
still talking to coco growers, especially
ones that wanna run compost teas.

1055
00:51:34,584 --> 00:51:36,504
You know, and then do a
drench for fungus Nats.

1056
00:51:36,504 --> 00:51:38,604
I'm going, Okay, well quit
chasing your tail here.

1057
00:51:39,115 --> 00:51:42,444
You're spending money on the compost,
then you're spending money on the drench,

1058
00:51:42,984 --> 00:51:45,834
and then you're putting more compost
tea on and you're getting more nats.

1059
00:51:45,834 --> 00:51:49,314
And the reality is those, those
fungus nats don't feed on your roots.

1060
00:51:49,319 --> 00:51:52,105
They feed on the fungus in your root zone.

1061
00:51:52,705 --> 00:51:57,355
So where fungus Nats really do well is
if you bring in organic soilless mix and

1062
00:51:57,355 --> 00:52:00,535
you've got decomposing matter in there
and you've got beneficial fungus in your

1063
00:52:00,535 --> 00:52:03,235
soil, that's what those fungus nats eat.

1064
00:52:03,745 --> 00:52:09,205
So if you're just worried that you see
a fungus nat or a few around, eh, you

1065
00:52:09,205 --> 00:52:10,585
might wanna put some sticky cards out.

1066
00:52:10,590 --> 00:52:14,125
Start evaluating, Okay, how many am I
catching inside of a certain time period?

1067
00:52:15,655 --> 00:52:18,055
At what point do I think there's
so many fungus snaps in here that

1068
00:52:18,055 --> 00:52:20,845
are gonna like, stick to the buds
and people will see 'em in the jar?

1069
00:52:20,905 --> 00:52:25,525
Like really identify is it a problem
that bothers you or is it a problem that

1070
00:52:25,530 --> 00:52:27,625
actually affects quality and output?

1071
00:52:28,945 --> 00:52:31,785
You know, And the same can go if
you here's a classic one, switching

1072
00:52:31,785 --> 00:52:33,105
from generative to vegetative.

1073
00:52:33,135 --> 00:52:36,585
Washed my ec out, ran too much runoff.

1074
00:52:37,005 --> 00:52:38,025
That happens all the time.

1075
00:52:38,025 --> 00:52:38,355
Okay.

1076
00:52:38,385 --> 00:52:39,855
Try to build it back up a little bit.

1077
00:52:39,855 --> 00:52:41,955
But I got some burnt tips.

1078
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,445
I got some yellow leaves cuz I was
deficient for a few days while I

1079
00:52:44,445 --> 00:52:45,585
was trying to get that back up.

1080
00:52:45,590 --> 00:52:46,515
The plant didn't like it.

1081
00:52:46,545 --> 00:52:49,125
Well those leaves aren't
gonna turn back green.

1082
00:52:50,295 --> 00:52:55,004
So part of, part of I guess being a
grower is learning when you need to

1083
00:52:55,009 --> 00:52:58,185
let, when you can let things bother
you and when you need to put 'em down

1084
00:52:58,185 --> 00:53:00,674
and say, Okay, that does bother me.

1085
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:05,439
But that is not a a factor I need to worry
about for profitability in my system.

1086
00:53:05,950 --> 00:53:08,859
Cuz at the end of the day, if you're
too worried about your garden, I

1087
00:53:08,859 --> 00:53:10,029
mean, we all gotta go home and sleep.

1088
00:53:10,270 --> 00:53:11,919
We gotta have a life
outside the garden too.

1089
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:16,470
And you know, I don't think
anyone's in this to have a bad time.

1090
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:20,040
Most, most cannabis growers are
I find to be fairly passionate

1091
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:21,000
and enjoy what they're doing.

1092
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,120
So I like to do my best to
keep it that way for 'em.

1093
00:53:25,859 --> 00:53:26,640
Mandy: Thank you guys for that.

1094
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:27,900
They did have a follow up.

1095
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,440
They don't have any organic inputs and
they've never appeared on my plants.

1096
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:32,549
They're just unsightly.

1097
00:53:32,700 --> 00:53:34,680
So sounds like that's
some good advice for them.

1098
00:53:34,990 --> 00:53:35,799
I'm gonna go, sorry.

1099
00:53:35,980 --> 00:53:38,410
Jason: You could use just a, you
know, a small concentration of hyper

1100
00:53:38,410 --> 00:53:40,299
course acid in your feet as well.

1101
00:53:40,499 --> 00:53:43,470
You know, that's gonna do two things
to help keep your lines clean and

1102
00:53:43,470 --> 00:53:46,869
sanitized and give a little bit more
dissolved oxygen to that roots that'll

1103
00:53:46,869 --> 00:53:50,559
help prevent any anaerobic areas in.

1104
00:53:51,249 --> 00:53:51,849
Seth: Substrate.

1105
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:52,419
Yeah.

1106
00:53:52,419 --> 00:53:55,104
And to that point too, I do know
a few growers who do a very light

1107
00:53:55,104 --> 00:53:58,344
zero tall spray in, they're under
canopy early on after they've cleaned

1108
00:53:58,344 --> 00:54:00,174
it up just to keep the tables.

1109
00:54:00,174 --> 00:54:02,094
And it's, it's a sanitization
maintenance spray.

1110
00:54:02,099 --> 00:54:04,284
You're not actually ducking the
roots or putting, you're not

1111
00:54:04,289 --> 00:54:05,694
getting any into the root zone.

1112
00:54:05,699 --> 00:54:08,934
You're just doing a light
mis for sanitation reasons.

1113
00:54:09,054 --> 00:54:12,284
And a lot of times that's places
where they've had history of you know,

1114
00:54:12,704 --> 00:54:16,365
fusarium or pithia in their trays or
irrigation system, and they've just

1115
00:54:16,365 --> 00:54:20,354
developed some great sanitation measures
and sometimes developing that can

1116
00:54:20,354 --> 00:54:23,694
also help the some of those accessory
problems, like the mold and stuff.

1117
00:54:24,144 --> 00:54:27,894
If the rooms, if there's no mold in
the room, that also helps as well.

1118
00:54:28,674 --> 00:54:32,064
You know, finding that source
of, okay, is it in the bedroom?

1119
00:54:32,124 --> 00:54:32,964
Is it in the flower room?

1120
00:54:32,970 --> 00:54:35,394
Where's the mold in my facility
for these sports to come from?

1121
00:54:36,265 --> 00:54:38,785
. I mean, it doesn't, it doesn't
appear entirely out of nowhere.

1122
00:54:38,785 --> 00:54:40,015
Although sports are ubiquitous.

1123
00:54:40,015 --> 00:54:42,925
If we've gotta control
the environment, it is.

1124
00:54:43,195 --> 00:54:46,095
But if we've got a controlled
environment, we should be reducing

1125
00:54:46,100 --> 00:54:49,275
some of that compared to having
a trashcan full of moldy bread in

1126
00:54:49,275 --> 00:54:50,955
the room, you know, for instance.

1127
00:54:51,194 --> 00:54:51,404
Jason: Yeah.

1128
00:54:51,410 --> 00:54:55,805
I wonder if like a UV air purifier would,
would help in that kind of case too.

1129
00:54:56,105 --> 00:54:56,435
Yeah.

1130
00:54:56,615 --> 00:54:59,885
Seth: You know, any kind of air pur
via air sanitizer, you know, even

1131
00:54:59,885 --> 00:55:02,975
though I'll, you know, like you said,
those mold supports are everywhere.

1132
00:55:02,975 --> 00:55:04,445
They're ubiquitous to our environment.

1133
00:55:04,555 --> 00:55:05,814
, any effort does help.

1134
00:55:05,904 --> 00:55:09,444
Anytime you seal off an area and you
do start cleaning the air, you know,

1135
00:55:09,444 --> 00:55:11,484
getting too surgically clean in that room.

1136
00:55:12,504 --> 00:55:13,645
Yeah, that might be kind of hard.

1137
00:55:13,645 --> 00:55:16,305
But anytime we reduce
sport count it's better.

1138
00:55:16,725 --> 00:55:17,654
Less rates of infection.

1139
00:55:17,654 --> 00:55:20,825
I mean, that's even why we see for
compliance purposes and testing.

1140
00:55:20,825 --> 00:55:24,245
You know, we don't, we don't say,
Oh, it can have zero bacterial

1141
00:55:24,245 --> 00:55:25,565
fungus fungal spores in it.

1142
00:55:25,565 --> 00:55:28,935
No, we have a CFU count that
it's allowed to stay below.

1143
00:55:29,625 --> 00:55:32,055
And that's just because we know
if you go above well, we're

1144
00:55:32,055 --> 00:55:35,625
more likely to see problems with
bacteri and mold in the product.

1145
00:55:37,545 --> 00:55:37,965
Mandy: Awesome.

1146
00:55:37,970 --> 00:55:38,595
Thank you guys.

1147
00:55:38,895 --> 00:55:41,295
I'm gonna quickly cover our last question.

1148
00:55:41,405 --> 00:55:44,375
Jason, over on YouTube
wants to know what you see.

1149
00:55:44,375 --> 00:55:48,815
Do you expect to see in runoff during
week four flower compared to going in?

1150
00:55:49,125 --> 00:55:53,320
I'm seeing pH drop in one cult
in one cultivate, one cva.

1151
00:55:53,850 --> 00:55:55,560
How do you interpret a pH drop?

1152
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:59,340
Staying steady or rise in runoff pH?

1153
00:56:00,030 --> 00:56:05,010
Jason: Usually pH imbalances come
from the nutrient composition, the

1154
00:56:05,010 --> 00:56:06,360
way that the plants up taking it.

1155
00:56:06,430 --> 00:56:10,605
So you know, if you're seeing one cult
bar in an area that the pH looks good on

1156
00:56:10,605 --> 00:56:15,904
runoff no drift, and then one where it's
too low, it's likely that other cultivar

1157
00:56:15,904 --> 00:56:19,285
is just just trying to indicate that
it has an imbalanced nutrient pull up.

1158
00:56:19,365 --> 00:56:24,685
Meaning that the nutrient composition of
feed is not getting eaten up in proportion

1159
00:56:24,745 --> 00:56:26,575
for the elements in that nutrient on

1160
00:56:26,575 --> 00:56:27,085
Seth: that cultivar.

1161
00:56:28,420 --> 00:56:28,690
. Yeah.

1162
00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:31,150
And I mean, you know, treating
that there's, there's a

1163
00:56:31,150 --> 00:56:32,080
range of things we can do.

1164
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:35,559
Typically the easiest to do is to
start to up your ec in your feet

1165
00:56:35,559 --> 00:56:37,930
and push a little more runoff to
try to correct that imbalance.

1166
00:56:38,419 --> 00:56:42,374
What it is really often a sign of, again,
if it's drifting down, you're plants

1167
00:56:42,379 --> 00:56:45,494
feeding, It's pulling those negative
i, those cat ions outta solution.

1168
00:56:46,004 --> 00:56:50,264
Pushing that down, making the
solution more positive if it's going

1169
00:56:50,264 --> 00:56:54,134
the other way, well , why, why are
those negative ions accumulating?

1170
00:56:54,134 --> 00:56:55,994
Why are we going the wrong direction?

1171
00:56:55,999 --> 00:57:00,944
And usually we do want to see a, a
fairly static, if you know anything,

1172
00:57:00,944 --> 00:57:03,044
a slight drop in pH, but not much.

1173
00:57:04,724 --> 00:57:05,204
Mandy: Great.

1174
00:57:05,264 --> 00:57:06,345
Thank you guys for that.

1175
00:57:06,744 --> 00:57:08,814
That was all of our questions for today.

1176
00:57:08,934 --> 00:57:11,084
Yeah, we covered I feel
like a record amount.

1177
00:57:11,084 --> 00:57:13,814
I think I've said that before,
but we got through 'em all today.

1178
00:57:13,934 --> 00:57:14,744
Thank you guys.

1179
00:57:14,984 --> 00:57:18,949
Any other messages you guys wanna tell
our audience before we sign off for today?

1180
00:57:19,789 --> 00:57:23,089
Jason: Well, if if you're at Hall of
Flowers next week, come say hi to me.

1181
00:57:23,299 --> 00:57:24,739
I don't know if we'll
be doing office hours.

1182
00:57:24,739 --> 00:57:24,979
Maybe.

1183
00:57:24,979 --> 00:57:27,769
We'll we'll have a chance just to
highlight some of what's going on

1184
00:57:27,829 --> 00:57:29,779
down there at that, that exhibit.

1185
00:57:29,779 --> 00:57:32,234
And Seth can hammer out all
the knowledge on his own.

1186
00:57:33,914 --> 00:57:34,154
Seth: Yeah.

1187
00:57:34,154 --> 00:57:36,464
Hopefully we'll have some live
coverage next week, but who knows?

1188
00:57:36,469 --> 00:57:39,284
We gotta, Jason, Jason's
not a full news team.

1189
00:57:39,344 --> 00:57:40,664
We don't have a van to send for him.

1190
00:57:40,664 --> 00:57:43,574
So , we'll see what happens.

1191
00:57:43,579 --> 00:57:44,114
Who knows?

1192
00:57:44,119 --> 00:57:44,464
We'll have,

1193
00:57:44,464 --> 00:57:44,824
Jason: we'll

1194
00:57:44,934 --> 00:57:45,614
Seth: have planned.

1195
00:57:45,704 --> 00:57:48,164
Yeah, she's, she knows a little
bit more about that than we do.

1196
00:57:49,679 --> 00:57:49,859
There

1197
00:57:49,859 --> 00:57:50,279
Mandy: we go.

1198
00:57:50,339 --> 00:57:50,849
Who knows?

1199
00:57:50,849 --> 00:57:53,774
You guys are gonna have to log
in and see . With that, I'm

1200
00:57:53,774 --> 00:57:55,274
gonna go ahead and sign us off.

1201
00:57:55,274 --> 00:57:58,214
So Jason and said, thank you so
much for another great conversation.

1202
00:57:58,219 --> 00:58:01,724
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1203
00:58:01,724 --> 00:58:04,104
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00:58:04,204 --> 00:58:06,119
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1205
00:58:06,309 --> 00:58:07,564
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1206
00:58:07,624 --> 00:58:11,224
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1210
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1211
00:58:21,524 --> 00:58:22,784
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1212
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