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So I'm Haley.

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I privately investigate missing persons
cases, especially.

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I'm a medium.

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And so I'm kind of changing the narrative
of how private investigations work for

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missing persons cases.

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I'm taking a huge initiative towards how
we can work better within our justice

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system to fix issues within that and other
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And so that's what I do.

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OK, so.

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I think the audience needs a moment to
adjust from everything else they've heard

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from this show, but let's take it a step
by step.

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And I apologize.

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I've got a little bit of a respiratory
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So I've got a lozenger to help me not
cough, but let's take this one bite at a

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time.

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I agree.

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Private investigator.

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What kind of jobs do you take?

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Who would traditionally come to you?

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Of course, you know, maintain privacy, but
try tell us a story to the level that you

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can without giving any kind of private
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So I do everything kind of across the
board from custody battle investigations,

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divorce investigations, cheating spouses.

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But my specialty is your cold case,
missing persons cases.

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Those cases where you run into the complex
ones, typically there's police corruption

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or the police don't have the training
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time and just haven't had the resources.

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I actually just got contacted yesterday to
find somebody's birth parents.

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They were adopted when they were born and
they want to find their parents.

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And so everything across the board is what
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OK, let me drill into this.

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So cold case.

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What does that mean?

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So a cold case is a missing persons case
that's older than five years old.

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Prior to a prior to that five year mark,
somebody goes missing and for the FBI to

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get involved or things like that where
it's just your typical adult goes missing

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and the police don't have the resources,
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Once you hit that five year market opens
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within being able to have like FBI choose
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There's also the factors of time being a
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little bit harder.

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But that's what I like about it.

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It's what I enjoy about what I do is being
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So, okay, so this is terrible, but from
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after a certain amount of time is more
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Tell us the truth.

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What's the reality behind this and what
lies have TV told us?

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I guess it depends on what you base it off
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When you look at shows like Dateline and
stuff like that, you run into this simple

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issue of how dramatized a lot of it is and
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hours of investigative work that goes into
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When I first started my first case, I
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mean, countless hours through the night,
investigating just to get a basis.

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With social media, especially nowadays,
things get kind of crazy.

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There's conspiracy theories per se for
cases even, and they can get a little out

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of hand.

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when you run into like a rural town in the
Midwest, it's a small town and everybody

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knows small towns talk and gossip.

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And so trying to find any factual
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So you have to seek out those people that
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I've had a lot of luck, thankfully, in
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think to look and finding that.

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But TV, unless you're watching something
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pretty...

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on point with what they're giving out
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I think that there's the nitty gritty of
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shows like Dateline, but I think it should
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That's amazing.

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I mean, you know, you know, I watch a lot
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background, I'm like, you know, that's
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So I'm very skeptical about, you know,
what people show on TV.

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And yet many of these shows have advisors
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to make sure that the science and the fact
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these shows to a certain degree are
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So it looks like, at least in these cases,
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good job and they're being listened to.

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So what's the cutoff?

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We said that it takes five years before
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But when does it become incredibly hard to
pursue a missing persons case as opposed

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to when's the right time and easy time,
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Well, I mean, the right time would be to
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I don't think that the world will ever be
rid of that.

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There's people who go missing because they
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I've had a case where he simply just took
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weeks and then they found him.

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And he was like, no, I just I wanted to go
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As soon as somebody goes missing, I think
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there and get in touch with the people who
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I would say after probably that 10 -year
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into the issues of now you're a decade
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Even a year later, it's hard to be able to
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something and say, Hey, do you remember
this and have them remember it?

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but let alone a decade that's next to
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very good memory.

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And we're running into the issues nowadays
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because everything is so automated.

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So there's an aspect of human memory here.

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Is there an aspect of physical evidence
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Talk to us about the physical evidence,
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You know, on the other hand with social
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little easier nowadays?

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Yes, I think so.

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I would say, honestly, when you look at
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per se somebody went to, so since I'm out
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and that night disappeared.

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There's going to be 300 plus people at
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who are going to have videos.

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You might be able to see something in one
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and it really just takes diving into it
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Social media can connect you with people
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maybe have some valuable information.

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And so that's where that lies with social
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As for the forensics of things, I'm not a
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I'm not super delved into forensics.

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I'm currently going to school for my
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to law school.

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And I haven't taken my forensics class
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And so I haven't had to worry too much
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gonna happen, for when physical evidence
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I do know from years of studying, the
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like DNA evidence will always be there if
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There's a 30 year old frame.

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case where there's a man that's been
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he didn't commit and there's DNA evidence
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got brought into trial and it still has
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complexities.

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I was a math kid, not a science kid.

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I mean, but that's amazing, right?

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I mean, this whole concept and again, keep
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But the progress of technology is allowing
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these cold cases.

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And you know, it's just like within like
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testimony, pulling somebody from a lineup
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be 100 % valid all the time.

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So you have to have the tangible physical
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There's dozens and dozens and dozens of
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States that get exonerated after spending
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that they were this person or somebody
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And I think that comes with a lack of
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training and a lack of standard that we
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And I'm not saying that all investigators
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But I think that there should be a
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just do a training once every few years.

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This is so true in so many industries.

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I mean, you know, everybody obviously does
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know, the best person they had available
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And, you know, but not everybody is equal.

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I think you're right.

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There's something about standardization
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practices, the best tools and
democratizing that.

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So it's, you know, I don't, I wouldn't
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I have a huge respect to everybody of
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empowered with the best tools and best
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And I think it's really about giving them
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So this, this isn't only about you alluded
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It's not only about the people of service.

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It's also about the public.

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Tell us what the public can do.

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We have Amber Alerts, but what can we
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So the public, it's funny.

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That's actually how I got started on
working missing persons cases.

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So Chance Engelbert went missing July 6th,
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That was my first case that I started
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Because of the public, there's a couple of
different pages on Facebook that are

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private pages.

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where people can talk about their theories
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Now this is rural Nebraska.

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You don't have a huge population.

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I mean, what one city out in California
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whole state.

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These are people that talk to their
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You can catch everybody on Sunday after
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coffee, talking.

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And so having that public aspect to it is
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Now, then you run into the problem of an
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Like police force that you can, they'll
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And you don't know what you need to
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And I think that's something where police
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outsource within like private
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throughout the country where.

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They're able to look at those tips and
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And I feel like it's so stigmatized where
the police force, you know, is the police

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force and they're not going to do that.

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Search and rush search and rescue will
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Emergency services will come out.

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These big corporations and big foundations
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I can't think of the name of them right
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And that's adventures with a purpose.

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That's who I was thinking of.

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They go out and they'll find, you know,
they'll find vehicles that went missing

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with these people decades and decades and
decades ago, perfectly preserved in the

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water except for the rest and be able to
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And it's beautiful to see that I am so
inspired by what those guys do.

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And it's just something where I think that
there needs to be almost like a network of

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where everybody can talk about these
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option.

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And now with social media, you can maybe
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But getting in contact as a private
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contact as a civilian isn't even the
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What is contributing to that difficulty of
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people and asking questions?

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I mean, I can imagine that give us the
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I mean, so cost of travel is insane.

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cost of gas, cost of plane tickets.

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That's insane.

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I don't charge my loved ones.

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So that funding has to come from
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Now, if they want to contribute to it, by
all means, please do.

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But any traveling that I've done for any
of my cases, I brand GoFundMe is for.

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To be able to afford the travel, and I'm
still contributing a few hundred dollars

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out of pocket.

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I think that one of the biggest issues
when you get there is...

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you have it kind of set how you want to go
about it, but you're going to run into the

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issue where people aren't expecting you to
show up and ask questions.

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And in cases where somebody has been
missing for 10 years from a tiny little

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rural town, you start asking questions and
me, like I'm a female and going into a

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situation like that, you know, on my own
is never a safe situation because of the

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world that we live in today.

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And that's...

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hardest part because you can't call the
police force and say hey you know can we

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work together on this it's very rare that
you're able to find that and it's so

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disheartening as a private investigator i
would love more than anything to be able

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to work with these police forces and say
hey this is what i do like i i don't care

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why it is that you're not being able to
find these people on your own i want to

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help and let's work together on this and i
really hope that that's able to change one

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day honestly

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And when you come and you're talking to
basically the community and you're asking

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questions, they always just jump on and
they're always helpful.

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Or is there any barriers?

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I think that people have a lot of
speculation.

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Like I said, I deal with a lot of the
complex cases, the cases where you have

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dozens of different things and dozens of
stories going on and people who aren't

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talking.

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I'm fortunate enough that with

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being a medium and having that other
aspect to it and kind of integrating the

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two things that nobody's really integrated
before.

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Some people have, but a lot of the people
who have tried are not proving that

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they're able to do this.

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And so people are skeptical and that's the
issue I run into.

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I don't know about other private
investigators out there, but for me being

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a medium and basing myself on my intuitive
insight, my guidance, my channels, the

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things that I'm getting,

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from the other side as well as the
tangible evidence in front of me and being

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able to follow along with my tangible
evidence with what I'm getting channel

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wise and put those two together and line
them up and say, okay, I know this, I know

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this, this is irrefutable.

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And putting that all together can be a
little difficult.

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It's worked to my advantage though too.

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I've been able to interview a few people
that nobody else had gotten to interview

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in years of somebody being missing because
I was like, you know.

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I get it, you don't want to talk to just
whoever, you don't want stuff to go out on

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social media.

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What if we did a terror ring?

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What if we sat down and you could see for
yourself that I'm not here to create an

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issue for you, like total privacy for you.

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I will give you an insight into what I do.

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So you can see that I'm really just trying
to help find these people.

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And it's worked out wonders for me.

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It's brought wonders for cases for me.

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That's amazing.

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You know, I, I'm a big believer that magic
is just science we don't understand.

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And I don't know if it's offensive to call
mediums magic or not, but this concept of

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that there's a lot of stuff we don't know.

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I am a true skeptic.

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I'm a very hardcore science math person,
but I acknowledge that there are limits to

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my own knowledge and there are limits to
the knowledge of science.

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And in fact, I teach my children that
science is the art of figuring out what is

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wrong and what we don't know.

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It's not the art of saying, this is what
we know and it's correct.

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Sorry, the gift from this respiratory
virus, it's the gift that keeps on giving.

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If I'm not sucking these lozenges and with
tea, I just can't talk.

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Are you doing herbal tea?

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I am.

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I've got an herbal tea and this is like
the Coca -Cola thing.

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It's all very helpful.

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And I don't have the virus anymore, but
this is just the lung damage that I've

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sustained.

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Yeah, I know a bunch of people that have
just some respiratory infection going on.

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And so no, it could be a gift from COVID
or the vaccine or who knows, right?

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The doctors, the science is out, right?

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They're figuring it out right now.

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We no longer call it the flu or a simple
cold is basically where we're at.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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It's it's yeah, it is what it is.

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Right.

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So, I mean, this is this is just amazing.

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And I didn't want to a lot of times I'll
stop my my, you know, like, wait, hold on.

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But.

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I wanted to let you get through that, but
I was on the edge of my seat to stop you

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and say, well, hold on.

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What do you mean you don't ask for money?

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Let's let's do that now.

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Yeah, I know.

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I asked myself that constantly.

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But when I first started this, I mean, I
had no investigative background.

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I was just somebody that felt compelled
that I needed to do a terror reading for a

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case that I followed since the day
somebody I've known in life went missing.

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And it just happened overnight.

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And that's this magic that you talk about.

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It's I mean, that's it.

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It's kind of how that thing happens.

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I mean, with how we got connected through
alliances, alliances happened to me and I

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don't even understand how, you know, I
blame it on the higher power for sure.

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But I guess for me, it didn't feel right
to charge.

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It still doesn't.

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It's something that.

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I think growing up in South Dakota,
waving, I drive.

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And every time I drive past somebody, now
granted in Sioux Falls I don't, in bigger

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cities I don't, but when I'm driving on
the highway and I see somebody, it's a

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wave and a smile.

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When I walk up my stairs and a neighbor's
outside, it's a wave and a smile.

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That's the beautiful thing about South
Dakota and why so many people love it out

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here is because of our hospitality and
just neighborly ways of being, I guess you

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could say.

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And so for me, it just didn't feel right.

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You know, I'm...

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want to be able to provide that closure
for somebody and provide that relief for

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somebody.

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And if my gifts are going to be the ones
doing that, that's amazing.

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Now, getting the funding to do that at the
time, mind you, I just turned 21 when I

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started this.

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Yeah, I just turned 21.

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And so so last year, basically.

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Yeah, but it'll be two years this
December.

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And so.

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I was I was giving you a compliment.

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You have 23 now.

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I'll be 23 in December.

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You are young to be in this type of
business.

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my God.

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Yeah, I am there and I found my life
passion doing it.

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I have no doubt.

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Okay, hold on.

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Let me stop you this one.

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Okay.

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So, so look, you've got to make a living
somehow.

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Is there, is there like when you find like
what's the, is it just the go fund me's or

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once you find the person, the families,
are they very generous?

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Like, I mean, you can't just do this for
free forever.

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I agree.

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And so that's why I offer like my
mediumship services.

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I do tarot readings.

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I do astrological chart readings.

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I do chakra cleansing, opening
activations.

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I do distance energy healings.

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I do, you know, I do all of that.

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And then on top of that, any other
investigations that aren't for missing

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persons or for an Amber alert, those are
charged.

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There are charges for those.

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I'm not gonna jump into just any
investigation for free.

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missing persons is a little bit different
for me and I don't know why is I don't

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know exactly why it was yet.

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I think it's just no I I get it I get it.

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I have been very lucky to not have you
know that kind of issue impacting

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personally but without getting too
political a lot of my friends are in that

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situation right now but that's all I'll
say on the topic.

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So as I said, I'm a skeptic, but when you
tell me that you're using quote unquote

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unexplained science in conjunction with a
very, very serious activity, and you're

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not taking money in order to do that, it
lowers my barriers.

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I wouldn't say it makes me a believer, but
it makes me very curious is what I would

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say.

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So go ahead.

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Go ahead.

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I was going to say, like, if you really
want to ever explore into

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just kind of where like how energy works.

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When you're talking in a spiritual magical
essence, like I'm more than happy to it's

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as simple as we ground ourselves.

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I ask if I can come in and I can just give
you a little push of my energy and you'll

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be able to feel that energy come in and
it's unexplainable by science.

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You can't explain how you're where you're
at and I'm across, you know, the country

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or the world or wherever I am.

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and you're getting this energy from
somebody and it's able to do what it's

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able to do.

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That's why I do the distance energy
healings.

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It's honestly something I don't think that
where our cognitive line sits to where we

404
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just can't go any higher for a cognitive
understanding unless you are somebody

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that's just got the blood of that where
you've grown up with that.

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It's really hard to understand.

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I would agree that it's genetic.

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I would agree that people who have special
abilities that they themselves maybe can't

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explain.

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I think it is genetic and I think it is
special abilities.

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I think it's just magic that's
unexplained.

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And I think there are some explanations
that we can give such as superhuman

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intuitiveness, right?

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The ability to catch on to...

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you know, maybe a facial expression or
maybe a thing or maybe combine information

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on somebody's background or words or
combination or just things that we can't

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really understand as a science yet.

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And that gives you maybe tips.

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So that's the way as a, you know, as a, as
a non, you know, as a non -believer,

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right, as a skeptic, that's the way I
explain these phenomenal abilities that,

421
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you know, no, this person is gifted,
gifted in a way.

422
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And, you know, I see this, I see this on
my daughter.

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How, how do you explain my, like my son?

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He is incredibly intelligent, math,
sciences.

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Everybody loves my daughter.

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Every day she gets three to four calls to
come and do a play date, to come over.

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And she's 10.

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Like how does a 10 year old become super
extraordinarily social?

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There's some gift that she has that allows
her to execute flawlessly what hordes of

430
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salespeople wish they could do, right?

431
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And she's 10 and she's like the best.

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She doesn't use it to sell, but I mean, I
look at her and she's the best salesperson

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I've ever seen in the world.

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And she didn't get that from me or my
wife.

435
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So, no, I joke.

436
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My wife is amazing.

437
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People love her.

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But I think it is.

439
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It's something in the, I think it is
something in the blood.

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I truly do believe that.

441
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Let me, let me go ahead.

442
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Go ahead.

443
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I was just going to say like, and in
matters of that, there's, and this is just

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a little like off topic.

445
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And so I just want it like,

446
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throw this in there because I just had a
conversation about this yesterday.

447
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You see a lot of addicts and alcoholics,
especially in the United States, who have

448
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these spiritual capabilities.

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And because it's so profound and there's
such a negative stigma, when I say the

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word medium, you immediately think that
I'm going to sit in front of a crowd and

451
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throw out a letter until somebody makes a
facial expression.

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And there's such a negative stigma around
it that there's not a whole

453
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you know, now with social media, now that,
you know, it's 2024, in the last three

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years, there's been this huge, like,
opening up to understanding, and more

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people kind of talking about it and
wanting to know about it, wanting to talk

456
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about it, be like, hey, me too.

457
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But before that, you'd run into the issues
of you wouldn't have anybody where you

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could really talk to about that, and
people would tell you you're crazy.

459
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I don't want to know the amount of people
that have gone to like,

460
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a hospital or a psychiatrist to say what
is wrong with me because I don't

461
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understand this.

462
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I don't have the resources to understand
this.

463
00:25:22,935 --> 00:25:25,045
And they've said, you're having psychosis
episodes.

464
00:25:25,045 --> 00:25:26,155
You need to go to a loony bin.

465
00:25:26,155 --> 00:25:29,165
And they really weren't loony or they
didn't need to get put on medication.

466
00:25:29,165 --> 00:25:32,485
They just needed somebody to walk them
through what it was.

467
00:25:32,485 --> 00:25:37,885
Because when you get a channel, it's it
could be registered as a schizophrenic

468
00:25:37,885 --> 00:25:41,885
thing because you're audibly hearing
something when you get premonitions and

469
00:25:41,885 --> 00:25:43,045
things like that.

470
00:25:43,045 --> 00:25:46,701
Or like the vivid dreams, lucid dreaming,
they would.

471
00:25:46,701 --> 00:25:48,921
classify that as schizophrenic.

472
00:25:48,921 --> 00:25:54,261
And, and we know, we know that people that
have had different impacts to their brains

473
00:25:54,261 --> 00:25:57,361
can suddenly develop incredible
miraculous.

474
00:25:57,361 --> 00:26:01,841
So putting that line in the sand and
saying you're ill, you're not ill.

475
00:26:01,841 --> 00:26:06,061
I mean, that's borderline, you know, I
don't want to get religious, but I think

476
00:26:06,061 --> 00:26:10,161
that's not the work of men and yet doctors
need to do that.

477
00:26:10,161 --> 00:26:10,341
Right.

478
00:26:10,341 --> 00:26:12,781
That's their so commonly the, the

479
00:26:12,781 --> 00:26:16,181
place where you put the line in the sand
is you say, well, are you hurting yourself

480
00:26:16,181 --> 00:26:16,921
or others?

481
00:26:16,921 --> 00:26:17,781
Exactly.

482
00:26:17,881 --> 00:26:18,201
Right.

483
00:26:18,201 --> 00:26:21,741
That's where, but it's such a fine line,
isn't it?

484
00:26:21,741 --> 00:26:26,241
It's kind of, I don't want to use the word
crazy in this topic, but it is crazy.

485
00:26:26,241 --> 00:26:30,461
It's crazy that as human beings, we need
to make decisions that are, and it's not

486
00:26:30,461 --> 00:26:31,241
just doctors, right?

487
00:26:31,241 --> 00:26:32,311
It's social caseworkers.

488
00:26:32,311 --> 00:26:33,421
It's just across the board.

489
00:26:33,421 --> 00:26:34,031
It's bankers.

490
00:26:34,031 --> 00:26:38,901
Like everybody's making these decisions,
impacting the people around them based on

491
00:26:38,941 --> 00:26:40,361
all kinds of stuff, right?

492
00:26:40,361 --> 00:26:41,093
Yeah.

493
00:26:41,293 --> 00:26:43,313
But yeah, I just wanted to throw that in
there.

494
00:26:43,313 --> 00:26:45,673
No, I think it's fine.

495
00:26:45,673 --> 00:26:50,013
So look, there's going to be a time where
we understand more and it's happening all

496
00:26:50,013 --> 00:26:50,473
the time.

497
00:26:50,473 --> 00:26:56,053
And, you know, in a hundred years time or
50 or whatever, we're going to be like,

498
00:26:56,053 --> 00:27:00,353
yeah, we thought those people were crazy,
but actually they had, you know, whatever.

499
00:27:00,353 --> 00:27:03,093
And, you know, they were gifted in a way
that we did not understand.

500
00:27:03,093 --> 00:27:07,013
And then, yeah, some of them were crazy
and some of them were charlatans, but

501
00:27:07,013 --> 00:27:10,509
there was a significant percent or maybe,
you know, non -

502
00:27:10,509 --> 00:27:17,249
you know, non -small percent that had an
innate ability to see the patterns that we

503
00:27:17,249 --> 00:27:18,509
didn't think were possible to see.

504
00:27:18,509 --> 00:27:20,749
So I think that is a possibility.

505
00:27:20,749 --> 00:27:24,329
But so I'll be a skeptic because anybody
who says, I can do magic, give me your

506
00:27:24,329 --> 00:27:27,849
money, I'm going to be like, show me your
magic, then I'll give you your money,

507
00:27:27,849 --> 00:27:27,949
right?

508
00:27:27,949 --> 00:27:31,769
But, you know, so let me change the topic.

509
00:27:31,769 --> 00:27:35,109
And I promise that we'll get to the hard
questions.

510
00:27:35,549 --> 00:27:36,329
So.

511
00:27:39,309 --> 00:27:41,289
Child Human Trafficking.

512
00:27:44,301 --> 00:27:48,061
Tell me a little bit about, let's not dive
into the hard stuff just yet, but tell me

513
00:27:48,061 --> 00:27:51,551
a little bit about what's happening from
your perspective.

514
00:27:51,551 --> 00:27:53,581
We talked a little bit about Amber Alerts.

515
00:27:53,581 --> 00:27:54,911
We talked about the families.

516
00:27:54,911 --> 00:27:57,081
We talked about the community around.

517
00:27:57,081 --> 00:27:57,441
Yeah.

518
00:27:57,441 --> 00:27:58,261
No, I'm glad.

519
00:27:58,261 --> 00:28:02,701
What do we need to know as a community and
what have you experienced through your

520
00:28:02,701 --> 00:28:03,461
environment?

521
00:28:03,461 --> 00:28:11,201
So out here in South Dakota, in the
seventies, we have two active juvenile

522
00:28:11,201 --> 00:28:12,861
missing persons cases.

523
00:28:12,861 --> 00:28:14,117
Eighty is one.

524
00:28:14,573 --> 00:28:17,573
In the 2000 to 2010, one.

525
00:28:18,373 --> 00:28:21,553
We didn't get anything from 2010.

526
00:28:21,553 --> 00:28:23,493
And I think it might have been before
2010.

527
00:28:23,493 --> 00:28:25,073
I think it was 2009.

528
00:28:25,073 --> 00:28:29,503
But it wasn't until 2016 that we had
another kid that's still actively missing.

529
00:28:29,503 --> 00:28:31,253
And those were only two.

530
00:28:31,253 --> 00:28:33,673
2019, two.

531
00:28:33,893 --> 00:28:36,333
2020, three.

532
00:28:36,413 --> 00:28:38,533
2021, three.

533
00:28:39,113 --> 00:28:44,461
Now this is where I'm horrified.

534
00:28:44,461 --> 00:28:46,611
what I'm about to show you.

535
00:28:46,611 --> 00:28:49,921
I have just this little tiny piece of
paper, right?

536
00:28:50,121 --> 00:28:52,837
11 kids from 2022.

537
00:28:54,925 --> 00:28:57,985
And then you go to 2023.

538
00:28:57,985 --> 00:29:02,165
So like, my little paper, here's my 2022.

539
00:29:03,805 --> 00:29:05,725
2023 -16.

540
00:29:05,725 --> 00:29:07,785
Fills up the rest of my page.

541
00:29:08,545 --> 00:29:10,685
We are halfway through 2024.

542
00:29:10,685 --> 00:29:13,305
We aren't even done with 2024.

543
00:29:13,325 --> 00:29:19,225
And there is 72 active missing persons
cases for only juveniles.

544
00:29:19,225 --> 00:29:21,465
I'm not talking just missing persons in
general.

545
00:29:21,465 --> 00:29:22,265
This is ridiculous.

546
00:29:22,265 --> 00:29:26,565
I mean, if we did the math and I know you
were a math kid, that's exponential

547
00:29:26,565 --> 00:29:27,125
growth.

548
00:29:27,125 --> 00:29:27,725
Yeah.

549
00:29:27,725 --> 00:29:30,705
And it's terrifying to see that.

550
00:29:30,705 --> 00:29:32,733
And that's just in South Dakota.

551
00:29:32,877 --> 00:29:38,917
If you look at like the National Center
for Missing and Exploited Children's

552
00:29:38,917 --> 00:29:45,517
Statistics from 2023, overall, there was
70 kids that went missing.

553
00:29:46,217 --> 00:29:49,357
All but those, what did I say, 16?

554
00:29:49,357 --> 00:29:55,737
16 kids in 2023 had been either found or
had come home.

555
00:29:55,937 --> 00:29:59,365
And what I noticed in...

556
00:29:59,661 --> 00:30:04,261
the like in the times and the dates and
things in this year that things are

557
00:30:04,261 --> 00:30:04,981
happening.

558
00:30:04,981 --> 00:30:11,261
You've got multiple people on the same day
going missing, typically of the same

559
00:30:11,261 --> 00:30:14,281
gender from the same area.

560
00:30:14,501 --> 00:30:17,681
But a lot of them are in their teens.

561
00:30:17,681 --> 00:30:23,241
And so a lot of the time, and as much as I
like hate saying this, but a lot of the

562
00:30:23,241 --> 00:30:29,165
time I think people feel like these kids
are just running away or are.

563
00:30:29,165 --> 00:30:32,165
you know, staying with friends because
that's something you run into in South

564
00:30:32,165 --> 00:30:32,395
Dakota.

565
00:30:32,395 --> 00:30:34,345
I mean, I moved out at 13.

566
00:30:34,765 --> 00:30:36,455
Yeah, I mean, but it's not all of them,
right?

567
00:30:36,455 --> 00:30:40,985
So even if even if that accounts for some,
yeah, there's a percentage and I'm sure we

568
00:30:40,985 --> 00:30:44,685
can calculate that percentage and predict
that that percentage might apply forward.

569
00:30:44,685 --> 00:30:45,675
It's not all of them.

570
00:30:45,675 --> 00:30:46,285
No.

571
00:30:46,285 --> 00:30:48,085
And there's nobody talking about it.

572
00:30:48,085 --> 00:30:54,005
I have seen, I think, three things over
the last six months about kids that had

573
00:30:54,005 --> 00:30:54,935
like went missing.

574
00:30:54,935 --> 00:30:58,189
And one of them, he ended up his kid.

575
00:30:58,189 --> 00:31:01,929
left a party and had driven into a little
lake.

576
00:31:02,429 --> 00:31:08,209
One of them had fallen into the river just
yesterday and he was part of the colony

577
00:31:08,209 --> 00:31:09,529
outside of Huron.

578
00:31:09,529 --> 00:31:14,629
So it was just a tiny little Amish
community basically and one of the kids

579
00:31:14,629 --> 00:31:18,929
fell in the river while playing and all of
these other kids and we're not even

580
00:31:18,929 --> 00:31:20,309
including anybody from the tribe.

581
00:31:20,309 --> 00:31:24,889
I mean there's a few kids on there that
are from the tribe but like how many of

582
00:31:24,889 --> 00:31:27,757
these kids are going missing that aren't
getting reported because

583
00:31:27,757 --> 00:31:31,997
There's no way for anybody on the tribes
to really report it unless it gets

584
00:31:31,997 --> 00:31:34,077
reported from the BIA.

585
00:31:34,777 --> 00:31:40,177
And so it's terrifying to me.

586
00:31:40,557 --> 00:31:43,937
It's sickening to me, not knowing what is
going on.

587
00:31:43,937 --> 00:31:46,617
And now we're not even talking about it.

588
00:31:46,617 --> 00:31:50,197
This is something I just did, not even, I
did it not last night, but the night

589
00:31:50,197 --> 00:31:54,547
before and sat down and I was like, what
is going on here?

590
00:31:54,547 --> 00:31:56,717
Like, this isn't okay.

591
00:31:57,685 --> 00:32:00,265
So let's break this down.

592
00:32:01,205 --> 00:32:02,765
What can the parents do?

593
00:32:02,765 --> 00:32:04,445
What can the government do?

594
00:32:04,445 --> 00:32:06,665
What can the community do?

595
00:32:07,085 --> 00:32:14,085
Parents, seriously, I wish that there was
a way for apps like Snapchat, apps like

596
00:32:14,085 --> 00:32:19,285
Facebook, things like that, to not, to
like have to have a verification through

597
00:32:19,285 --> 00:32:25,513
an ID, like a physical ID, if you are
under 18, to get any of those apps.

598
00:32:25,709 --> 00:32:31,429
But you have apps like Kik, you have apps
like WhatsApp, Instagram, where all of

599
00:32:31,429 --> 00:32:33,429
these kids are posting all these things.

600
00:32:33,429 --> 00:32:39,209
And when everything that we're seeing out
in the world is all of these half naked

601
00:32:39,349 --> 00:32:40,249
women.

602
00:32:40,249 --> 00:32:44,169
I mean, if you go into the kids section,
95 % of the kids clothes, especially for

603
00:32:44,169 --> 00:32:46,029
little girls, is crop tops.

604
00:32:46,329 --> 00:32:49,009
And it's what?

605
00:32:49,009 --> 00:32:49,529
What?

606
00:32:49,529 --> 00:32:53,629
I just put my foot down on that yesterday
with my wife and she didn't necessarily

607
00:32:53,629 --> 00:32:54,757
agree with me.

608
00:32:54,829 --> 00:32:57,709
I mean, she bought it and I was like, no,
this is not happening.

609
00:32:57,709 --> 00:33:03,749
Yeah, I couldn't imagine like, and that's
something where I don't think that, you

610
00:33:03,749 --> 00:33:11,169
know, parents who haven't experienced any
sort of traumatic event like that and

611
00:33:11,169 --> 00:33:16,569
didn't experience a whole lot of trauma in
their life ever, I'm finding are usually

612
00:33:16,569 --> 00:33:18,419
the parents that don't.

613
00:33:18,419 --> 00:33:23,809
Well, she grew up with bombs exploding
around her, so she said she should.

614
00:33:24,429 --> 00:33:30,868
I'm more or less mean in the domestic
violence, sexual abuse situations.

615
00:33:30,868 --> 00:33:35,949
Those kinds of situations, then I see a
lot more of the awareness for it, but

616
00:33:35,949 --> 00:33:38,129
we're not talking about it enough.

617
00:33:38,129 --> 00:33:39,619
We're not putting enough of it.

618
00:33:39,619 --> 00:33:43,129
We might talk about it here and there, but
we're not putting an initiative to change

619
00:33:43,129 --> 00:33:43,309
it.

620
00:33:43,309 --> 00:33:45,229
We're not doing anything to change it.

621
00:33:45,229 --> 00:33:47,829
Is that part of the community issue?

622
00:33:47,829 --> 00:33:47,979
Yes.

623
00:33:47,979 --> 00:33:53,789
The awareness and the taboo, which is
actually leading to our own ignorance?

624
00:33:53,789 --> 00:33:54,565
Yeah.

625
00:33:54,637 --> 00:33:57,237
I have keyed the term.

626
00:33:57,237 --> 00:34:00,317
Anybody can start a revolution if you're
willing to be the one they burn at the

627
00:34:00,317 --> 00:34:01,257
stake.

628
00:34:01,337 --> 00:34:04,557
Anybody can start a revolution if you're
willing to be the one that's going to

629
00:34:04,557 --> 00:34:06,557
stand up and say, we need to talk about
this.

630
00:34:06,557 --> 00:34:07,977
We need to do something about this.

631
00:34:07,977 --> 00:34:09,337
This isn't right.

632
00:34:09,337 --> 00:34:15,517
And that goes anywhere from the laws to
talking about what we're doing with these

633
00:34:15,517 --> 00:34:16,007
apps.

634
00:34:16,007 --> 00:34:18,537
You know, they're talking about this big
TikTok ban.

635
00:34:18,537 --> 00:34:22,885
And it's all because TikTok shop is
exploding and they don't like that.

636
00:34:23,405 --> 00:34:26,945
Why aren't we talking about putting an age
restriction on things?

637
00:34:26,945 --> 00:34:34,265
Why aren't we talking about putting things
in place to where we're focusing on these

638
00:34:34,265 --> 00:34:36,605
child abductions that are going on
everywhere?

639
00:34:36,605 --> 00:34:39,805
Sex trafficking isn't at an all time high
right now.

640
00:34:39,805 --> 00:34:40,595
That's crazy.

641
00:34:40,595 --> 00:34:45,185
I think we both know the answer to that is
because money talks, shit walks.

642
00:34:45,185 --> 00:34:46,295
And this is all about money.

643
00:34:46,295 --> 00:34:48,653
It's not about communities.

644
00:34:48,653 --> 00:34:49,093
Yeah.

645
00:34:49,093 --> 00:34:50,533
But I think you're right.

646
00:34:50,533 --> 00:34:53,713
I think there's something incredibly
important in what you're saying.

647
00:34:53,713 --> 00:34:54,793
And keep me honest here.

648
00:34:54,793 --> 00:34:59,353
You're saying that communities have the
ability to make a change.

649
00:34:59,353 --> 00:34:59,773
Yeah.

650
00:34:59,773 --> 00:35:04,833
If they just understand that taboo is a
challenge, yes.

651
00:35:04,833 --> 00:35:07,913
But if we don't talk about this, if we
don't bring awareness, if we don't think

652
00:35:07,913 --> 00:35:11,773
about what's going to need to change,
nothing's going to change and money is

653
00:35:11,773 --> 00:35:14,673
going to keep moving things as opposed to
community.

654
00:35:14,973 --> 00:35:15,163
Exactly.

655
00:35:15,163 --> 00:35:17,069
You know,

656
00:35:17,069 --> 00:35:22,789
To get the injustice out of criminal
justice, we have to stand for justice.

657
00:35:22,789 --> 00:35:25,929
There's a lot of people that don't
understand how laws work.

658
00:35:25,929 --> 00:35:27,839
I was one of those people for a long time.

659
00:35:27,839 --> 00:35:34,249
And then I needed to file a protection
order against my abusive ex and wasn't in

660
00:35:34,249 --> 00:35:38,189
the county I reside in because I had fled
my home in fear.

661
00:35:38,189 --> 00:35:42,309
And I found out you can't file in the
state of South Dakota in a different

662
00:35:42,309 --> 00:35:43,169
county.

663
00:35:43,169 --> 00:35:44,429
So what did I do?

664
00:35:44,429 --> 00:35:48,029
I went and looked at the laws and I
studied them for a minute and I said,

665
00:35:48,029 --> 00:35:51,169
okay, this is where this crosses with
this.

666
00:35:51,169 --> 00:35:52,569
This isn't right.

667
00:35:52,569 --> 00:35:55,849
Why would I not be able to, if this is a
national standard where pretty much every

668
00:35:55,849 --> 00:35:57,249
other state you can.

669
00:35:57,249 --> 00:35:59,179
And so I contacted a legislator.

670
00:35:59,179 --> 00:36:04,049
I literally just looked at my list of
legislators on the South Dakota Code of

671
00:36:04,049 --> 00:36:10,249
Laws website and I picked one that lives
in my general area and I called him and I

672
00:36:10,249 --> 00:36:11,981
said, hi, this is my name.

673
00:36:11,981 --> 00:36:16,040
This is the situation I just ran into and
you're the first step in getting this

674
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:22,921
changed because God forbid a mother and
her child can't get a protection order

675
00:36:22,921 --> 00:36:25,561
against some psycho X and he kills them.

676
00:36:25,661 --> 00:36:26,931
Or his or her daughter.

677
00:36:26,931 --> 00:36:27,311
Yeah.

678
00:36:27,311 --> 00:36:34,221
Or she goes crazy on him one night and
stabs him and a kid sees that and then

679
00:36:34,221 --> 00:36:37,541
grows up to be a serial killer, you know?