WEBVTT 00:00:21.365 --> 00:00:25.685 Welcome to the podcast that refuses to live life on mute. 00:00:25.925 --> 00:00:29.965 It's time to amplify the truth and drown out the noise. 00:00:30.205 --> 00:00:35.985 Coming to you live from the Lord's Lair in the Shenandoah Valley, this is Life on 11. 00:00:36.285 --> 00:00:39.665 We're turning up the volume on faith and kingdom living. 00:00:40.085 --> 00:00:42.265 Here are your hosts, Jeremy and John. 00:00:49.464 --> 00:00:52.304 What's happening dog what's up brother what's going 00:00:52.304 --> 00:00:55.864 on over there just chilling yeah it's 00:00:55.864 --> 00:00:59.684 a good night to chill it is it's been a little chilly outside 00:00:59.684 --> 00:01:04.564 again we got the like the old fake spring now we're back in the thralls of winter 00:01:04.564 --> 00:01:10.884 but you know what that means real spring is coming yeah i saw it i saw a facebook 00:01:10.884 --> 00:01:16.484 post today that said please excuse winter and spring is they have a custody battle over Virginia. 00:01:17.344 --> 00:01:21.424 That's pretty accurate. Ooh. Pretty accurate. Speaking of custody battles over 00:01:21.424 --> 00:01:27.844 Virginia, I think next week we have a topic we might need to discuss. Mm-hmm. Virginia. 00:01:29.704 --> 00:01:32.804 Well, mainly Virginia. Mainly Virginia. Because that's where we live. 00:01:32.884 --> 00:01:34.984 That's right. And that's where we're dealing with issues right now. That's right. 00:01:35.344 --> 00:01:38.444 But that's next week. That's next week. That's a teaser. You don't want to miss it. 00:01:38.904 --> 00:01:42.344 Do not. You don't want to miss it. Miss it. We've been sitting on that one. 00:01:42.464 --> 00:01:45.584 We have been sitting on that one. For a little while. Yeah, it's true. It's true. 00:01:46.044 --> 00:01:49.344 So we just came back from Marriage Bible Study. We had Marriage Bible Study 00:01:49.344 --> 00:01:52.664 tonight. We did. I've enjoyed Marriage Bible Study. It's been fun. Yeah. 00:01:53.084 --> 00:01:57.064 And tonight we talked about everybody's favorite topic. Dun, dun, dun. 00:01:58.464 --> 00:02:02.004 Sex. Oh, yeah. It wasn't as awkward as I thought it was going to be. 00:02:02.124 --> 00:02:05.044 It could have been more awkward. That's true. It could have been. 00:02:05.144 --> 00:02:08.884 You know, as church folk, we love to talk about sex. Yeah, we do. 00:02:10.804 --> 00:02:15.904 Yeah. But we actually talked about that. That might be an interesting set of 00:02:15.904 --> 00:02:17.044 podcasts for us to do one day. 00:02:17.184 --> 00:02:19.484 Whoa. Because as I alluded to- Could be interesting. 00:02:19.704 --> 00:02:24.064 Yeah. As I alluded to during the Bible study, there's plenty of people out there 00:02:24.064 --> 00:02:28.684 that will say that the church has not done a good job talking about sex in a holistic way. 00:02:28.844 --> 00:02:31.504 Yes. You're absolutely right. I mean, yeah. 00:02:31.924 --> 00:02:36.164 And then it's actually stunted a lot of people's spiritual growth because we 00:02:36.164 --> 00:02:38.204 awkwardly don't want to talk about it. And so- 00:02:38.812 --> 00:02:41.952 But we don't mind listening to the world talk about it. That's it. 00:02:42.512 --> 00:02:46.112 Man, we're like, hold on. We got to be careful. We're like, we just did like 00:02:46.112 --> 00:02:48.812 too many podcasts in our intro. Yeah. 00:02:49.372 --> 00:02:52.852 So like we're really setting the bar pretty high. That's it. 00:02:53.152 --> 00:02:56.672 We better not mess these up. So basketball season's upon us. 00:02:57.092 --> 00:02:59.352 Oh, yeah. March Madness, baby. March Madness. Who you got? 00:03:00.152 --> 00:03:03.272 Who's your final four and who's your winner? Oh, goodness. 00:03:03.392 --> 00:03:07.092 I'd have to look to see my final four again. But I know it's Michigan. 00:03:07.092 --> 00:03:11.932 I got Michigan winning the whole thing. I got Duke, Purdue, Michigan. 00:03:13.032 --> 00:03:17.292 And man, can't remember who the other one was. 00:03:17.989 --> 00:03:21.029 Can't remember who the other one is. I'd have to pull it up and see. Yeah. 00:03:21.349 --> 00:03:23.529 But I got Michigan winning the whole thing. You got Michigan winning the whole 00:03:23.529 --> 00:03:24.509 thing. Yep. Are you confident? 00:03:24.809 --> 00:03:30.489 I mean, is anybody ever confident in March Madness? 00:03:30.669 --> 00:03:35.549 Yeah. Well, I mean, some people. I mean, the only time that I ever got the champion 00:03:35.549 --> 00:03:39.469 right was when UVA won it all. That was just a homer pick. 00:03:40.289 --> 00:03:46.009 And it was, yes. But. So I've got Michigan State, Arizona, Florida, 00:03:46.029 --> 00:03:49.689 and Michigan in my Final Four. and I got Florida to win it all. Okay. 00:03:50.129 --> 00:03:53.049 Okay. Which I'm not super confident about like you. 00:03:53.289 --> 00:03:56.209 Yeah, it's hard to be confident about that. 00:03:56.389 --> 00:03:59.669 Yeah, well, here's the thing. I just don't, I hate pick, I don't, 00:03:59.789 --> 00:04:04.749 it's really hard to repeat, especially in March Madness, but daggone that Florida team looks good. 00:04:05.089 --> 00:04:07.869 Yeah, okay, so I do have Florida in the final four. Yeah. Duke, 00:04:08.189 --> 00:04:09.529 Florida, Purdue, Michigan. 00:04:09.929 --> 00:04:13.149 I got Duke versus Michigan in the championship. 00:04:14.189 --> 00:04:18.189 Michigan winning by two. Okay, book it. That's what I got. 00:04:18.949 --> 00:04:20.929 What's your biggest upset? What's the biggest upset you have? 00:04:21.029 --> 00:04:22.529 What's the biggest upset I have on my bracket? 00:04:23.309 --> 00:04:27.129 I mean, some would say I have Kansas to beat Duke in the 16. 00:04:27.949 --> 00:04:30.949 Yeah, I mean, that's not... That's a pretty big upset, some would say. 00:04:31.109 --> 00:04:34.709 I know one I have that you really are going to be mad at me for. Yeah. 00:04:34.969 --> 00:04:37.329 South Florida over Louisville in the first round. Yeah, I am mad about that. 00:04:37.329 --> 00:04:39.809 I guarantee you don't like that. I actually erased that from my memory. 00:04:40.649 --> 00:04:42.049 Well, now it's back, buddy. 00:04:43.369 --> 00:04:47.549 Now it is back. No, I just can't get on that boat. 00:04:47.869 --> 00:04:53.209 Okay, so the biggest upset I have is McNeese over Vanderbilt in the first round. 00:04:53.289 --> 00:04:56.349 That's a 12 over a 5. That's my biggest upset. So what makes you go there? 00:04:56.929 --> 00:05:02.869 Well, Vanderbilt has been a little bit up and down here at the end of the season. 00:05:02.929 --> 00:05:06.549 So if they have a down night, they got a chance to get. 00:05:07.205 --> 00:05:10.885 Well, I don't know if this is necessarily an upset, but I know my controversial 00:05:10.885 --> 00:05:15.705 decision on my bracket that you were very mad at me about is I have Gonzaga 00:05:15.705 --> 00:05:18.105 going to the Elite Eight. Yeah, that's not happening. 00:05:19.085 --> 00:05:23.465 You are fundamentally opposed to that. I have Gonzaga beating Purdue going to 00:05:23.465 --> 00:05:25.105 the Elite Eight. Yeah, not going to happen. Not going to happen. 00:05:26.545 --> 00:05:29.325 But that's why they play the games. That is true. 00:05:29.545 --> 00:05:32.305 And I cannot wait. It's going to be fun. We're going to watch that. 00:05:32.305 --> 00:05:35.865 It's always fun. What do we watch tonight? Miami, Ohio, and... 00:05:37.245 --> 00:05:40.765 Over there. SMU? Is it SMU? Yeah, SMU. Yeah, I played SMU. Cool. 00:05:41.125 --> 00:05:44.105 Cool. I like it. I like it. It's always best time of year, man. 00:05:44.365 --> 00:05:45.965 Best time of year. Oh, man, I love it. Love it. 00:05:46.245 --> 00:05:49.965 Love it. And then when it's over, like, it's nice outside and, 00:05:50.285 --> 00:05:53.985 like, spring is here. It's like the ushering in of spring. Yep. I love it. 00:05:54.205 --> 00:05:56.925 Yep. It's good stuff, man. Yeah. It's good stuff. Everything else is good for 00:05:56.925 --> 00:05:57.965 you? Everything else is good? 00:05:58.285 --> 00:06:03.305 Yeah, I think so. I mean, I've been super busy at work. Just every day goes 00:06:03.305 --> 00:06:08.265 by like a flash because I'm so busy, but That's okay. I get that. 00:06:08.485 --> 00:06:09.645 How about for you? Everything else? 00:06:10.305 --> 00:06:13.265 It's good. I think it's good. Good. I think it's good. You know, 00:06:13.725 --> 00:06:20.725 had a little kink in my plans this week for my week, but it worked out good. 00:06:20.925 --> 00:06:22.625 I think I'm better off for it. 00:06:22.905 --> 00:06:25.225 Well, good. Yeah. It's always good to hit stuff running. 00:06:25.625 --> 00:06:28.285 Oh, we had our men's retreat over the weekend. Oh, yes. 00:06:28.765 --> 00:06:33.025 Yeah, dude. Yeah, we got to hit on that. Yeah, it was a really good time. 00:06:33.025 --> 00:06:34.405 It might have been my favorite men's retreat. 00:06:34.925 --> 00:06:38.225 I'm going to say it was my favorite, actually. Yeah. Yeah. 00:06:38.405 --> 00:06:45.985 Yeah. Yeah. We had some, I mean, always we have good food, but really good messages, I thought, 00:06:46.125 --> 00:06:51.065 about men on the Watchtower, which I thought was a really great theme, 00:06:51.065 --> 00:06:54.445 and the messages were very, very good. Yeah. 00:06:54.705 --> 00:06:56.985 And then we did a little... 00:06:57.780 --> 00:07:01.480 Shooting of weaponry. I'm going to bleep that out. 00:07:01.940 --> 00:07:06.980 Oh, sorry. We didn't do a little shooting of weaponry. We did a lot of shooting. We did. 00:07:07.180 --> 00:07:11.640 There was a lot of weaponry. It was a good like four or five hours that we shot. 00:07:11.900 --> 00:07:13.020 Yeah. Like, and that was. 00:07:13.320 --> 00:07:15.440 It was a good combination of guys. There were some older guys. 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:16.720 Yeah. Yeah. It was really good. 00:07:16.900 --> 00:07:20.520 I think. Yeah. And one thing I should say to everybody out there, 00:07:20.820 --> 00:07:28.420 the setup that we had for the range, like the safety setup we had was actually perfect. 00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:33.360 It was. Like it was really because a lot of times if you don't have somebody 00:07:33.360 --> 00:07:41.040 like in charge of that like things can get a little out of control and messy but it was very clean. 00:07:41.300 --> 00:07:44.060 Did a great job. I think it was I think it was just great. Yeah. 00:07:44.160 --> 00:07:46.840 It was a great men's retreat. Yeah. It was awesome. If you don't have a men's 00:07:46.840 --> 00:07:47.820 retreat you should get one. 00:07:48.300 --> 00:07:51.820 You should. You should. You should start that and if you don't have an idea 00:07:51.820 --> 00:07:53.600 how to start one you can reach out to us. 00:07:53.700 --> 00:07:57.520 Because there's some really awesome guys at our church that put one together, and they do a great job. 00:07:57.720 --> 00:07:58.800 And I'm sure they would be happy 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:02.340 to talk with you about it because I think it's – dudes need that time. 00:08:02.500 --> 00:08:06.260 Yeah, definitely, definitely. I mean, even though – I mean, really, 00:08:06.300 --> 00:08:11.880 we were only together for like 24 hours, but it does seem like longer than that 00:08:11.880 --> 00:08:13.620 for some reason. I don't know why that is. Yeah. 00:08:13.920 --> 00:08:18.000 But that's very good. Good stuff. Yeah. So tonight we're wrapping up our Anabaptism 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:21.180 Radical Frequencies, and we're going to put a bow on it tonight. 00:08:21.180 --> 00:08:25.380 And we're going to talk about why we need Anabaptism. 00:08:25.480 --> 00:08:30.260 I think we live in a space and time and a culture that needs Anabaptism. 00:08:30.360 --> 00:08:33.000 It needs an Anabaptist voice. 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:38.380 And like we've talked about, the bad news is some of that Anabaptist voice has 00:08:38.380 --> 00:08:41.620 been compromised by the world. And in other settings, it's just not... 00:08:42.260 --> 00:08:46.420 I think we talked about this early, that it's easy for us because we kind of 00:08:46.420 --> 00:08:50.120 live in the Anabaptist capital of the world, right? The valley up into Pennsylvania, 00:08:50.902 --> 00:08:54.342 Anabaptism is all over the place. Are you calling us the Anabaptist belt? 00:08:54.722 --> 00:08:57.902 Yeah, we kind of are. Okay. Yeah, we're in the Anabaptist belt. 00:08:58.202 --> 00:09:02.002 And for lots, actually, it would probably be the Anabaptist suspender. 00:09:02.482 --> 00:09:05.042 Just saying. Okay, the Anabaptist suspender. 00:09:06.822 --> 00:09:14.202 Wow. But it would, I think we can take for granted because there's a very dense 00:09:14.202 --> 00:09:17.442 population of Anabaptism where we are. Yes. There's not everywhere. 00:09:18.422 --> 00:09:25.302 That is true. So, yeah, it's kind of it's it's kind of be hard for us to to 00:09:25.302 --> 00:09:29.942 relate outside of here. So that sounds kind of weird. 00:09:30.122 --> 00:09:33.702 But somebody came to you and said, Jeremy, we want to start an Anabaptist. 00:09:33.902 --> 00:09:38.902 Why should we start an Anabaptist movement in a place that doesn't have the Anabaptist voice? 00:09:39.062 --> 00:09:43.862 What are some of the things you might say to him? I mean, not just to talk about 00:09:43.862 --> 00:09:46.442 all of the topics that we've discussed, 00:09:46.682 --> 00:09:54.442 but essentially every single one of those is the reason that anabaptism is beneficial 00:09:54.442 --> 00:09:56.582 everywhere. You've got community. 00:09:56.882 --> 00:10:03.062 You've got believing the Bible and putting God's word first. 00:10:03.062 --> 00:10:10.922 I mean, just those three things right there are a recipe for successful community 00:10:10.922 --> 00:10:15.922 and happy people and just joy, essentially. 00:10:16.182 --> 00:10:18.102 Yeah. And yeah. 00:10:18.962 --> 00:10:21.962 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, what, what, what else, what else can you add to that? 00:10:22.062 --> 00:10:24.722 I know I'm missing some of the ones we talked about. Yeah, I think the biggest 00:10:24.722 --> 00:10:28.662 thing for me is, and we've talked about this briefly on some podcasts, 00:10:29.122 --> 00:10:35.262 like we live in a world that is in a church culture that is extremely consumeristic. 00:10:35.662 --> 00:10:40.902 True. you know, the product of church is something that we have made into an 00:10:40.902 --> 00:10:42.202 experience that we consume. 00:10:42.462 --> 00:10:47.962 And Anabaptism at its roots is so hard to be a consuming movement, right? 00:10:48.082 --> 00:10:51.982 Because of that, like the emphasis on community and the emphasis on service 00:10:51.982 --> 00:10:53.682 and the emphasis on peace. 00:10:54.442 --> 00:11:00.422 Those things are very hard to just consume. They are things that you must participate in. 00:11:01.082 --> 00:11:07.202 Sure. And so I think when we live in a culture that Christianity can be promoted 00:11:07.202 --> 00:11:10.802 as, you know, or church experience can be promoted as a product, 00:11:11.162 --> 00:11:15.542 you know, show up, have somebody sing to you and have a band and have a pastor 00:11:15.542 --> 00:11:18.982 preach to you and drop your kids off in the nursery and come sit in church for 00:11:18.982 --> 00:11:21.602 an hour. And like, it's just all centered on your experience. 00:11:22.062 --> 00:11:26.742 It's very hard to do that in an Anabaptist flavor. 00:11:27.322 --> 00:11:29.762 And that would kind of be the number one thing that I would say to folks is 00:11:29.762 --> 00:11:32.382 it's like radically different than that. 00:11:32.902 --> 00:11:38.782 Because you can't do those things well. You can't do community or you can't 00:11:38.782 --> 00:11:40.462 do service. You can't do peace. 00:11:40.742 --> 00:11:45.442 You can't even really do simple living if you're only looking at your experience 00:11:45.442 --> 00:11:46.962 with Christ as something you consume. 00:11:47.182 --> 00:11:50.842 That would be the number one thing I would say. No, that's very, 00:11:51.002 --> 00:11:53.782 very well spoken. Yeah, like usual. 00:11:54.022 --> 00:11:57.022 I don't know about that. And I think the other side is, 00:11:57.582 --> 00:12:06.662 I feel like anabaptism wrestles with things better than some other denominational 00:12:06.662 --> 00:12:09.322 outlooks, like wrestles with the idea of peace, 00:12:09.542 --> 00:12:13.122 wrestles with the idea of non-conformity. I feel like... 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:18.079 At least the hard questions are asked, where in other places, they're not so much. 00:12:18.259 --> 00:12:23.519 Would you say Anabaptist does conflict well? 00:12:23.979 --> 00:12:27.799 Because some of those topics could create conflict. 00:12:28.119 --> 00:12:31.339 Okay. So I used to say when we were in the part of the Church of the Brethren, 00:12:31.539 --> 00:12:33.819 and their tagline was simply peacefully together. 00:12:34.079 --> 00:12:38.019 I said it probably ought to have said simply passive-aggressively together. 00:12:39.319 --> 00:12:44.579 Okay. Okay. We don't really do conflict well. Okay. But we do do Bible study well. 00:12:44.939 --> 00:12:49.519 Okay. All right. And I think animatism at its core makes that space, right? 00:12:49.859 --> 00:12:54.219 Now that can bubble up into conflict, you know. Yeah, sure. All sorts of places. 00:12:55.299 --> 00:13:01.999 But because, and like, we live in a very like me-centric. So one of the things. Oh, our society? 00:13:02.599 --> 00:13:07.159 Yes. Well, so it's interesting. One of the things I'd love to like, 00:13:07.259 --> 00:13:10.179 I'd love to do some research on that I've never gotten, I've never gotten the 00:13:10.179 --> 00:13:15.499 ability to that I would love to do some more research on is like the seventies 00:13:15.499 --> 00:13:19.799 and eighties coming out of like the radical Jesus movement into the, 00:13:19.979 --> 00:13:22.519 what I would call the me and Jesus movement. 00:13:22.739 --> 00:13:26.539 Okay. Where everything became so personal about our faith. 00:13:26.659 --> 00:13:29.339 Like, you know, it was all about personal salvation, a personal, 00:13:29.339 --> 00:13:31.139 a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. 00:13:31.139 --> 00:13:34.339 And nobody can know if you're going to heaven, but you'd like, 00:13:34.539 --> 00:13:38.319 and those things are all true, but it's almost become like we became fixated on that. 00:13:38.319 --> 00:13:41.499 And and and and so you know nobody gets 00:13:41.499 --> 00:13:44.399 to tell you what the holy spirit's saying to you or nobody 00:13:44.399 --> 00:13:47.619 gets to tell you what god's saying to you and anabaptism kind 00:13:47.619 --> 00:13:50.799 of pushes back on that and goes no no it's okay we 00:13:50.799 --> 00:13:55.459 can we have a book that could to speak and we have a community hermeneutic we 00:13:55.459 --> 00:13:59.979 talked about those things yeah yeah and and i think we do anabaptism's core 00:13:59.979 --> 00:14:05.459 puts value and if somebody you know in so we can talk about controversial things 00:14:05.459 --> 00:14:08.939 if our communal hermeneutic is right there you go with that, 00:14:09.499 --> 00:14:13.399 sorry yeah I can't if our group bible study is good hey okay alright now I know 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:15.699 what you're talking about how about that thoughts on that. 00:14:16.352 --> 00:14:25.352 Yeah, no, I mean, what you just said, when you look at how church has evolved 00:14:25.352 --> 00:14:30.252 from the 70s and 80s to then the you and Jesus and nobody can tell you except you, 00:14:30.472 --> 00:14:34.352 like what you, that is how Christianity, 00:14:34.812 --> 00:14:41.232 using the broad term, has gotten so loose, so to speak. 00:14:41.232 --> 00:14:46.412 Is because that has been taken all the way to the extreme, where, 00:14:46.692 --> 00:14:51.452 like you're saying, in Anabaptism, we're still like, hey, we're checking this 00:14:51.452 --> 00:14:54.592 against the Bible, and that don't check out, right? 00:14:54.832 --> 00:14:57.952 It's not just what you say. It's what the Bible says. Yeah. 00:14:58.452 --> 00:15:04.392 So in other Christian circles, and even some of the Anabaptist circles, 00:15:04.632 --> 00:15:07.392 we've gotten past that point. Yeah. 00:15:07.935 --> 00:15:12.355 And we've touched on that in some other podcasts, too, but that's exactly what's 00:15:12.355 --> 00:15:21.095 happened and why, oh, man, I might regret saying this, but real anabaptism is so important. 00:15:22.555 --> 00:15:29.335 Bonafide A1 gold standard. All right, so we didn't talk about this before the 00:15:29.335 --> 00:15:31.775 show. Oh, no. You may shoot me for us this question. 00:15:31.995 --> 00:15:34.515 I might. What are the shortcomings of anabaptism? 00:15:35.275 --> 00:15:44.195 Ooh. Well, I do think that in some ways, 00:15:44.675 --> 00:15:53.675 anabaptism still struggles with some legalism issues, maybe not as bad as when I was growing up. 00:15:53.675 --> 00:15:59.015 I don't think it's as severe or prevalent as it was then. 00:16:00.015 --> 00:16:06.095 But but i do like there is still some judgment to be brought down from some people not, 00:16:07.035 --> 00:16:10.015 justifiably because because we're 00:16:10.015 --> 00:16:15.855 taking the bible as as god's word as we should but we're also using it to make 00:16:15.855 --> 00:16:23.335 make rules and not not give grace yeah so so i think we struggle at that well 00:16:23.335 --> 00:16:27.335 because anabaptism kind of puts that like emphasis on it's not just what you 00:16:27.335 --> 00:16:28.895 believe it's how you act. Sure. 00:16:29.215 --> 00:16:32.555 Right. So actions, whereas some denominations are like, well, 00:16:32.655 --> 00:16:36.215 as long as you, you know, the one saved, always saved, as long as you pray a 00:16:36.215 --> 00:16:37.815 sinner's prayer, you're in. Yeah. 00:16:38.015 --> 00:16:41.115 And most Anabaptism wouldn't say that. Yeah. 00:16:41.375 --> 00:16:44.135 And so, yeah, so actions speak. Yep. 00:16:44.435 --> 00:16:46.915 Yeah. That makes sense. I mean, that's really probably the biggest one. 00:16:47.975 --> 00:16:52.495 Biggest downfall I can think of just with what, I mean, you know, 00:16:52.575 --> 00:16:54.755 you have it anywhere else, people are people. 00:16:55.135 --> 00:16:59.155 Yeah. You're going to have personal conflicts. That's not, special to Anabaptism 00:16:59.155 --> 00:17:03.855 that's everywhere you go anytime you have a group of people you have personalities 00:17:03.855 --> 00:17:07.415 and but that's everywhere that's not just Anabaptism yeah so. 00:17:08.962 --> 00:17:13.802 I got two. Okay. The first, and again, this is pain with really broad strokes, 00:17:14.042 --> 00:17:18.882 but I think as a whole, like number one, I don't think, I don't think Anabaptists do evangelism well. 00:17:19.982 --> 00:17:24.922 Okay. I think because we're like, we talk about simplicity and we talk about, you know, the ordinary. 00:17:25.302 --> 00:17:31.062 So I think, um, I don't think Anabaptism is really good at evangelism. I think that. 00:17:31.502 --> 00:17:37.642 And when you say evangelism, are you speaking not necessarily like sending missionaries 00:17:37.642 --> 00:17:42.582 to other countries? You're talking evangelism, like local community, like, yeah, next door. 00:17:42.822 --> 00:17:46.042 Exactly. Like thing. Well, and I mean, like a perfect example is that I know 00:17:46.042 --> 00:17:49.942 of at least two Anabaptist places that they do service ministries, right? 00:17:50.002 --> 00:17:53.302 They go in and they help rebuild houses and they do whatever, 00:17:53.582 --> 00:17:55.182 but they don't attach the gospel to it. 00:17:55.422 --> 00:17:58.482 And I'm like, oh, and they're like, well, if somebody asks us, 00:17:58.482 --> 00:18:01.522 you know, while we're there, we'll tell them about Jesus. 00:18:01.702 --> 00:18:02.402 But like, here's a really good- 00:18:02.402 --> 00:18:04.882 I feel like we've talked about this on a podcast before. I think, yes. 00:18:04.882 --> 00:18:08.822 You know, and so like all about helping and all about showing up, 00:18:08.902 --> 00:18:15.362 but sometimes like the, the, the evangelism part of that isn't there, 00:18:15.362 --> 00:18:16.782 you know, traditionally. 00:18:17.362 --> 00:18:21.662 Especially modern times, like Anabaptists and Mennonites and people like that, 00:18:21.742 --> 00:18:23.122 we're not really good church planters. 00:18:23.282 --> 00:18:26.382 Like that's something that we do well in our DNA, you know, like, 00:18:26.442 --> 00:18:29.082 because again, like, I think it's that simple approach and it's, 00:18:29.202 --> 00:18:31.602 you know, so that would be the first thing. 00:18:31.602 --> 00:18:36.202 And I think the second thing is, from my experience, I don't know that Antibaptism 00:18:36.202 --> 00:18:38.642 talks about the Holy Spirit a lot. 00:18:38.902 --> 00:18:42.182 I feel like we kind of, we were really good about talking about Jesus. 00:18:42.442 --> 00:18:46.902 We talk about Jesus a lot and focus our faith on, you know, what would Jesus 00:18:46.902 --> 00:18:50.042 do and following the footsteps of Jesus, being the hands and feet of Jesus. 00:18:50.722 --> 00:18:57.422 But a lot of, like, because again, I think because of DNA, we don't talk about 00:18:57.422 --> 00:19:01.062 the Holy Spirit a lot. And we don't, you know, when the Holy Spirit shows up, 00:19:01.142 --> 00:19:02.762 we talk about the spirit moving. 00:19:03.022 --> 00:19:07.302 In fact, funny enough, because one of the like hallmark brethren hymns is moving our midst. 00:19:07.702 --> 00:19:10.122 Okay. In our midst, our spirit of God. Right. Right. 00:19:11.186 --> 00:19:14.326 But there's a lot of times where like if the Holy Spirit would actually move 00:19:14.326 --> 00:19:19.646 in our midst, like it might scare some good Anabaptist folks, you know. 00:19:19.786 --> 00:19:23.466 So we talk about the spirit as a collective. I just I feel like that's a that's 00:19:23.466 --> 00:19:26.366 a that's a side of Anabaptism. I don't know. Maybe growing up in the Mennonite 00:19:26.366 --> 00:19:27.546 church, you might have a different experience. 00:19:28.966 --> 00:19:34.726 I mean, it was it was very talked about. I mean, you know, we were very, 00:19:35.226 --> 00:19:40.126 very deliberate talking about the Trinity, you know, God, the Father, 00:19:40.326 --> 00:19:42.046 Jesus, the Son and the Holy Spirit. 00:19:42.226 --> 00:19:44.806 I mean, we were like, that was something I was taught. 00:19:46.105 --> 00:19:51.145 Early on. So, so it was very, it was definitely talked about, but, but you're right. 00:19:51.145 --> 00:19:55.825 As far as like this, the Holy Spirit was kind of like just this little, 00:19:56.125 --> 00:20:02.125 this little thing out there that you didn't really understand or didn't really, 00:20:02.385 --> 00:20:05.325 didn't really have a good grasp on. 00:20:05.725 --> 00:20:08.665 So yeah, it was kind of just like out there, but yeah, you're right. 00:20:08.745 --> 00:20:11.305 I mean, there were, there was a lot more talk about Jesus and a lot more talk 00:20:11.305 --> 00:20:14.925 about God and the Holy Spirit was just like attached to the Trinity, 00:20:15.625 --> 00:20:19.645 but not really defined very well, if that makes sense. Yeah. 00:20:19.905 --> 00:20:23.585 So I would agree with what you're saying. Yeah. And it probably all depends 00:20:23.585 --> 00:20:27.345 on where you are and who is teaching you specifically as well. 00:20:27.545 --> 00:20:31.265 Well, and I think like overall, like I think denominations, when it comes to 00:20:31.265 --> 00:20:37.725 the Trinity, I think if you watch, like some of them gravitate towards aspects 00:20:37.725 --> 00:20:40.265 like, okay, so like, man, this could sound really stereotypical, 00:20:40.305 --> 00:20:41.025 but I'm just going to go there. 00:20:41.025 --> 00:20:45.945 You have your Assemblies of God, your Pentecostal movement. 00:20:46.025 --> 00:20:49.545 They talk about the Holy Spirit a lot, right? 00:20:50.585 --> 00:20:54.845 And most of them don't talk about God the Father as much, in my experience that I've seen. 00:20:55.745 --> 00:21:01.985 And you have Presbyterians, and you have Episcopalians, and they kind of talk about God a lot. 00:21:02.865 --> 00:21:07.145 They don't talk about the Holy Spirit a lot. And then you have good only Baptists like us. 00:21:08.185 --> 00:21:12.165 I think Baptists can be the same. like we talk about Jesus the most that's kind 00:21:12.165 --> 00:21:16.245 of where our emphasis is and just running in those circles maybe maybe that's 00:21:16.245 --> 00:21:20.425 something I pick up doing no I'd say I'd say you're probably right you know 00:21:20.425 --> 00:21:23.405 and so and that doesn't be like you like, 00:21:24.338 --> 00:21:27.498 talked about the Trinity, talked about, you know, all those things, 00:21:27.578 --> 00:21:32.298 but like most of the sermons are about Jesus, the life of Jesus. 00:21:32.478 --> 00:21:33.358 We put a special emphasis. 00:21:33.698 --> 00:21:37.618 Even, even if you listen, when we do our vows, you know, we say, 00:21:37.838 --> 00:21:43.198 you know, will you live your life by the rule as the new Testament, 00:21:43.198 --> 00:21:48.178 as your rule of faith and practice with an emphasis on the teachings of Jesus? 00:21:49.278 --> 00:21:51.938 I don't use the word emphasis in my most time because I find a little weird, 00:21:51.958 --> 00:21:54.538 but it's phrased sort of like that, you know, this is the good stuff, 00:21:54.698 --> 00:21:59.418 you know, but, you know, other, other people, people who might be listening to this might be like, 00:22:00.058 --> 00:22:02.598 okay, literally you're talking about the Trinity, God, Jesus, 00:22:02.658 --> 00:22:06.758 and the Holy Spirit, the three in one, like, yeah, you're talking about, right. 00:22:06.898 --> 00:22:10.358 You're just picking one of the three over the other, like how much, 00:22:10.538 --> 00:22:12.658 what, what difference does that really make? You know, that's, 00:22:12.658 --> 00:22:14.338 that's, that's debatable. 00:22:14.718 --> 00:22:18.638 Right. Right. Yeah. And especially, you know, like for those, 00:22:18.658 --> 00:22:21.798 you know, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it, 00:22:22.558 --> 00:22:26.058 it's splitting hairs but at the same time like 00:22:26.058 --> 00:22:29.038 you could you i think it could be it 00:22:29.038 --> 00:22:32.678 could be possible to live your whole life in the anabaptist faith and never 00:22:32.678 --> 00:22:37.178 really understand the holy spirit the holy spirit the ministry of the holy spirit 00:22:37.178 --> 00:22:42.498 if you're only viewing it through an anabaptist lens might be a good way of 00:22:42.498 --> 00:22:48.518 it i i i would say i guess i can't i can't really say but i. 00:22:50.193 --> 00:22:51.733 I would say you're probably right. 00:22:52.493 --> 00:22:58.333 I just can't really grasp it because of experiencing the spirit moving. 00:22:58.553 --> 00:23:06.013 Absolutely. Like, you know, I can't imagine that not being real to me. 00:23:06.013 --> 00:23:06.613 You know what I'm saying? 00:23:07.133 --> 00:23:10.153 So I have a hard time with that. But, yeah, I'm sure you're right. 00:23:10.673 --> 00:23:14.353 And, I mean, we just, like, I think overall, like, we live in a world where, 00:23:14.433 --> 00:23:17.833 man, that Anabaptist voice, think about, like, just all the conflict in the 00:23:17.833 --> 00:23:21.393 world. like if we got the peacemaking thing right, if we got that right, 00:23:21.553 --> 00:23:22.633 like, man, the world needs that. 00:23:23.413 --> 00:23:26.173 Absolutely. The world needs that, you know, it needs a lot, you know? 00:23:26.353 --> 00:23:30.933 And if we, if we could really get that right, man, we could be doing some real, 00:23:31.113 --> 00:23:36.813 like real life changing stuff in the world around us. And. 00:23:37.653 --> 00:23:43.913 You know, that that would be an amazing way of of of talking about human life and the value. 00:23:44.073 --> 00:23:47.953 Like when we're talking about, you know, again, whether it's war or if it's 00:23:47.953 --> 00:23:54.013 abortion or it's death penalty stuff or it's even a hot button telling immigration. 00:23:54.013 --> 00:23:57.753 Like if we get our peace position right and the dignity of human life, 00:23:58.293 --> 00:24:00.813 man, Anabaptism has something really important to say. 00:24:00.813 --> 00:24:04.613 And but when satan 00:24:04.613 --> 00:24:12.613 gets a hold of people uh-huh then if he if he can if he can get if he can get 00:24:12.613 --> 00:24:17.673 rid of the peace within the people in the church then he knows that they're 00:24:17.673 --> 00:24:21.173 not going to be able to move forward the peace outside of the church absolutely 00:24:21.173 --> 00:24:24.553 and that is what that is what we're facing in, 00:24:25.093 --> 00:24:27.633 I mean, have been for many years, forever. Absolutely. 00:24:27.893 --> 00:24:32.813 But especially, it sounds like a broken record, but especially in today's world. 00:24:33.013 --> 00:24:36.233 Yeah. You know, people have been saying that for 7,500 years, 00:24:36.413 --> 00:24:38.873 but you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's very interesting. 00:24:39.133 --> 00:24:42.173 The other thing to think about, we talked about this a little bit with the community thing. 00:24:42.413 --> 00:24:45.153 So earlier this week, I was talking to somebody about, you know, 00:24:45.233 --> 00:24:47.833 just church planting and church logistics and stuff like that. 00:24:47.893 --> 00:24:50.573 And they were like, have you ever thought about doing a small group ministry? 00:24:51.273 --> 00:24:54.053 And we were talking about all the ins and outs of that. And I laughed and I 00:24:54.053 --> 00:24:59.093 was like, well, you understand like small group ministry is kind of an Anabaptist 00:24:59.093 --> 00:25:03.953 thing, but that's actually, we invented small group. We were small groups for small groups for cool. 00:25:04.973 --> 00:25:08.193 Okay. And they were laughing. I was like, no, seriously, like if you go back 00:25:08.193 --> 00:25:12.753 and look in history, like even like when, so when brethren came to the United 00:25:12.753 --> 00:25:17.393 States many, many years ago now, most of their homes were built in a way that 00:25:17.393 --> 00:25:18.953 you could have church in your house every week. 00:25:19.033 --> 00:25:21.313 They didn't have sanctuaries and they didn't, they didn't build churches. 00:25:21.313 --> 00:25:25.313 Even like some had like walls that you could like pivot and, 00:25:25.905 --> 00:25:29.485 to make a bigger space for when you had church. Okay, cool. 00:25:29.785 --> 00:25:32.525 And I don't know if, I just know that for brethren, I don't know about Mennonites. 00:25:32.725 --> 00:25:36.405 And so like the idea of like the small group model of church is like, 00:25:36.425 --> 00:25:41.885 that's actually, we were doing that long before, long before the non-denominationals were doing it. 00:25:41.965 --> 00:25:46.465 You know, we did it, but, and just that, like the thing of doing life together. 00:25:46.705 --> 00:25:53.205 Yes. You know, that has been, you know, that is integral to what we stand for. 00:25:53.365 --> 00:25:54.425 I mean, people want to belong. 00:25:54.885 --> 00:26:00.125 People want to belong. And man, we could, you know, that's in our, the family. 00:26:00.365 --> 00:26:03.485 And I think, I think we've talked about it before, like with all the busyness 00:26:03.485 --> 00:26:07.745 in the world today and all the, all the things to take your time and take your attention. 00:26:08.865 --> 00:26:13.545 People, people are, people are looking for something in all of that. 00:26:14.305 --> 00:26:17.545 Like, let's do this one more thing to try to get what we're missing. 00:26:17.665 --> 00:26:19.965 Let's do this one more thing to try to fill this hole. 00:26:20.825 --> 00:26:23.685 But really the hole that they're that they're trying 00:26:23.685 --> 00:26:26.785 to fill is with a 00:26:26.785 --> 00:26:32.845 community of believers yeah and a lot of people don't don't really know that 00:26:32.845 --> 00:26:37.065 that's that that's what's what's missing yeah so yeah i think you're right as 00:26:37.065 --> 00:26:41.265 far as that goes yeah the small group thing and doing life together yeah i know 00:26:41.265 --> 00:26:45.645 i know i would say a majority of the people who listen to our podcast that i know, 00:26:46.165 --> 00:26:48.905 they're anabaptist and i would say to 00:26:48.905 --> 00:26:52.045 them if you're listening to this like speak loudly the world 00:26:52.045 --> 00:26:55.785 needs your voice yeah right it's okay we in 00:26:55.785 --> 00:26:59.925 in traditionally especially now like anabaptism is not the the biggest i mean 00:26:59.925 --> 00:27:03.985 we laugh one time we looked up like there were more southern baptist congregations 00:27:03.985 --> 00:27:07.905 in the state of texas than there were brethren congregations in the united states 00:27:07.905 --> 00:27:12.765 oh wow you know we are a minority and again we don't feel that because we're 00:27:12.765 --> 00:27:14.625 kind of in the most densely populated area. 00:27:14.885 --> 00:27:19.605 But the Anabaptist voice in the United States, especially is a small part of, 00:27:20.216 --> 00:27:25.556 of, of the conversation, but we need to be louder and we, we need to be sharing 00:27:25.556 --> 00:27:29.536 those things because there's a valuable insight that brethren have to offer 00:27:29.536 --> 00:27:31.176 or Anabaptists have to offer. 00:27:31.336 --> 00:27:33.796 And so if you're listening to this and you're Anabaptist, speak up, 00:27:33.936 --> 00:27:37.596 you know, be that, be that person who, who, who, who brings these things to 00:27:37.596 --> 00:27:40.616 the table because our world does need it. Absolutely. Absolutely. 00:27:41.436 --> 00:27:45.416 World also needs more March Madness. And I'm going to contribute to that here in just a moment. 00:27:47.376 --> 00:27:51.396 I plan on it as well. It's been fun, buddy. Hey, it's been great. 00:27:51.556 --> 00:27:55.956 Time has flown by this evening. It has. You don't want to miss next week? 00:27:56.636 --> 00:27:59.176 No. Tune back in. Dun, dun, dun. 00:28:00.056 --> 00:28:02.096 We have to decide which one of the two we're going to do first. 00:28:03.316 --> 00:28:05.176 Oh, we're going with the Virginia one first. Okay, all right, 00:28:05.236 --> 00:28:06.276 all right. Sorry. All right. Cool. 00:28:30.649 --> 00:28:35.109 To think about and apply to your walk with Christ. 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