1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,528 So prison. I live inside my head. So that's 2 00:00:03,544 --> 00:00:06,936 how you're doing your time. Are you really that much in control of your emotions? 3 00:00:07,048 --> 00:00:10,088 Been that way all my life. Only time I ever lost it. 4 00:00:10,144 --> 00:00:14,280 What got me in here? I'm familiar with your case history. So you 5 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,816 prefer your own company? Most of the time. I'm supposed to recommend 6 00:00:17,848 --> 00:00:21,096 whether or not you seem to require a detailed psychiatric evaluation. 7 00:00:21,208 --> 00:00:24,392 Other than the incident in the mess hall? That wasn't me. And why don't you 8 00:00:24,416 --> 00:00:28,336 go talk to the hotshot champions, Ask him about it. So you deny any responsibility? 9 00:00:28,448 --> 00:00:31,712 Yeah, I deny it. Now how does that affect me moving on? It has no 10 00:00:31,736 --> 00:00:35,520 bearing in your transfer to false. You know this whole thing. This whole thing 11 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,960 is about people being scared. Aren't you afraid of him? Afraid? 12 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,920 Shit. He's a fighter. I'm a fighter. If I'm better on that day, 13 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,152 I win. That's just the way it goes. Someday every fighter lose. Sooner or 14 00:00:45,176 --> 00:00:48,256 later somebody comes along and they got your ticket. Too old. 15 00:00:48,408 --> 00:00:51,280 Just wasn't your day. Whatever the reason is. In the end, 16 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,662 everybody gets most you can hope for that you stay on top of while be 17 00:00:54,686 --> 00:00:55,410 the best. 18 00:00:58,830 --> 00:01:01,958 Can you dig it? Can you 19 00:01:02,014 --> 00:01:05,810 dig it? Can you dig it? 20 00:01:08,590 --> 00:01:11,238 Every time you got a bar, a. Bar'S got somebody here that thinks he's. 21 00:01:11,254 --> 00:01:14,550 As tough as a nickel stick. But they all come to speed for the do. 22 00:01:14,590 --> 00:01:18,342 Ray, me. Now get this. We ain't partners, 23 00:01:18,406 --> 00:01:21,814 we ain't brothers and we ain't friends. My little brother 24 00:01:21,862 --> 00:01:26,250 was 15 years old. You think about that. 25 00:01:27,510 --> 00:01:31,182 You'll wait on me all. How about 26 00:01:31,206 --> 00:01:33,822 cutting hair? Oh, I get it. You want some kind of contest, 27 00:01:33,886 --> 00:01:37,530 huh? You're a real smart boy, ain't you? 28 00:01:37,830 --> 00:01:40,090 I guess maybe you'll have to kill me. 29 00:01:42,310 --> 00:01:43,930 It'll hurt if I do. 30 00:01:45,270 --> 00:01:46,010 Well. 31 00:01:48,470 --> 00:01:51,742 Looks like I finally ran into. Someone that likes to play as rough as 32 00:01:51,766 --> 00:01:55,742 I do. Yeah. This must be your lucky night. Am I 33 00:01:55,766 --> 00:01:58,522 bodied? They not nice like me. 34 00:01:58,706 --> 00:02:02,122 Are we supposed to say things? You're not supposed to 35 00:02:02,146 --> 00:02:04,830 say nothing, soldier. 36 00:02:05,250 --> 00:02:09,210 In the heart of the Mojave Desert lies Sweetwater Penitentiary. 37 00:02:09,290 --> 00:02:12,378 We house murderers, armed robbers, rapists. 38 00:02:12,474 --> 00:02:15,834 A high security prison with a long standing tradition. 39 00:02:15,962 --> 00:02:19,642 It's time. It's time. For 10 years, Monroe Hutchin 40 00:02:19,706 --> 00:02:22,506 has been undefeated. Monroe wins again. 41 00:02:22,658 --> 00:02:26,132 This is your house. You own this place. This was my house. I could get 42 00:02:26,156 --> 00:02:29,412 up and leave, but. Sweetwater is about to receive a 43 00:02:29,436 --> 00:02:33,764 new prisoner. George Iceman Chambers remains undefeated heavyweight 44 00:02:33,812 --> 00:02:37,428 champion. The word is the Iceman's day of arrival is tomorrow. 45 00:02:37,524 --> 00:02:41,620 Boxing's various governing Bodies began stripping you of your title belt. 46 00:02:41,700 --> 00:02:45,204 Who they think they kidding? Everybody knows I'm the champ. 47 00:02:45,372 --> 00:02:49,124 And I'mma be the champ till I quit. Now the heavyweight champion 48 00:02:49,172 --> 00:02:52,532 from the inside. In here, I'm the champ. Will meet the 49 00:02:52,556 --> 00:02:55,988 heavyweight champion from the outside. Nobody can stand up 50 00:02:56,044 --> 00:02:59,472 to what I got. You got the heavyweight champion of the world and 51 00:02:59,496 --> 00:03:02,640 an unbeaten prospect. Quit wasting time. Set the thing 52 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,632 up. Boy came up to me and said. That if I fight some punk in 53 00:03:05,656 --> 00:03:08,960 here, he can maybe get me out quick. You're a good champion. 54 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,400 We got a champion right here and he can 55 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:13,740 kick your ass. 56 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:19,088 Give him one. Take out the steeling. Well, rumor has it 57 00:03:19,144 --> 00:03:22,064 he took down. One of the skin boots. A lot of rumors in prison, 58 00:03:22,112 --> 00:03:25,874 you know. I want you to item in the cage at a finish, 59 00:03:26,002 --> 00:03:29,618 you win, that's 4 million bucks. And I think 60 00:03:29,674 --> 00:03:33,442 you can win. Wesley Snipes. I can take this guy and 61 00:03:33,466 --> 00:03:37,218 I don't need no help. Thing RS ain't but one champ in here. 62 00:03:37,274 --> 00:03:41,042 Peter Fogg. You better get ready to fight. Michael Rooker. 63 00:03:41,106 --> 00:03:44,530 Give me a situation right in here. And Wes studi I was 64 00:03:44,570 --> 00:03:47,634 in trouble. Two undefeated boxers. Right time, 65 00:03:47,722 --> 00:03:51,474 right place, right circumstance. They all 66 00:03:51,562 --> 00:03:54,882 can be beaten. An unprecedented event. And if I 67 00:03:54,906 --> 00:03:57,134 KN I had to. Go to jail and see a fight. Like this, I'd have 68 00:03:57,142 --> 00:04:00,850 did a crime a long time ago. One undisputed champion. 69 00:04:04,870 --> 00:04:06,210 Undisputed. 70 00:04:09,430 --> 00:04:13,342 Hello, folks. Welcome to the last call of Torches, the podcast 71 00:04:13,406 --> 00:04:16,766 all about one man's one man's mission 72 00:04:16,798 --> 00:04:20,490 to be a producer, director, writer, all those things. 73 00:04:21,310 --> 00:04:25,046 The king of Brandywine himself, Mr. Walter Hill. 74 00:04:25,158 --> 00:04:28,534 And with me to tonight, as always, 75 00:04:28,702 --> 00:04:31,530 is my brothers in this little venture, 76 00:04:32,030 --> 00:04:35,542 W. Russell. How you doing, sir? Well, I'm kind of a bum, 77 00:04:35,606 --> 00:04:39,094 you know, just a big uncoordinated. But I'm doing all right. 78 00:04:39,182 --> 00:04:42,902 So. Yeah, yeah, your footwork needs help too, is I'll say about that 79 00:04:42,926 --> 00:04:46,710 one. Yeah, it does. Oh my gosh. 80 00:04:46,870 --> 00:04:50,350 Also with you tonight from just to stayed over 81 00:04:50,390 --> 00:04:54,046 from me is Mr. Cameron Scott. How you doing, sir? 82 00:04:54,158 --> 00:04:56,490 I'm still the champ, you know. 83 00:04:59,670 --> 00:05:03,342 I'm doing just fine. I'm doing great. I'm having a good day. 84 00:05:03,446 --> 00:05:06,478 Can't complain. Good. Yeah, 85 00:05:06,654 --> 00:05:10,206 it's here tonight we're talking about. It's been a long time, guys. 86 00:05:10,238 --> 00:05:14,142 I apologize for that. You know, stuff kept happening and rescheduled and 87 00:05:14,166 --> 00:05:17,632 people getting sick and, you know, my gosh. 88 00:05:17,776 --> 00:05:21,552 But yeah, we're talking about Undisputed from 2002. 89 00:05:21,736 --> 00:05:25,424 Your cheap applause announces is this. When heavyweight champion 90 00:05:25,472 --> 00:05:29,216 George Iceman Chambers lands in prison, the resident Gangster 91 00:05:29,248 --> 00:05:32,592 arranges a boxing match with the 92 00:05:32,616 --> 00:05:37,008 reigning prison champ. This is directed by Walter Hill, of course written 93 00:05:37,024 --> 00:05:39,780 by David Giler and Walter Hill. 94 00:05:40,840 --> 00:05:44,252 Big ass cast in this movie of people that. Most of which have never been 95 00:05:44,276 --> 00:05:46,960 in a Walter Hill film before. So this is nice. 96 00:05:47,540 --> 00:05:51,436 Wesley Snipes as Monroe Hutchin. Bing Rames is George 97 00:05:51,468 --> 00:05:54,668 Iceman Chambers. The great Peter Falk as. 98 00:05:54,724 --> 00:05:58,556 As Mindy Ripstein. So I like to say Mindy for this movie. 99 00:05:58,588 --> 00:06:01,884 Yeah, yeah. Michael Rooker as, as A.J. 100 00:06:01,932 --> 00:06:05,484 merker. Our head. Our head guard, I guess he would call it. 101 00:06:05,572 --> 00:06:09,084 Uh, John SATA thought it was. I thought it was Freddie Rodriguez actually. But I 102 00:06:09,092 --> 00:06:12,570 was wrong about that. I did too. Oh no, 103 00:06:12,610 --> 00:06:15,722 I, I mentioned. I, I instantly pegged him because. 104 00:06:15,826 --> 00:06:19,258 Oh, one of. One of the guys from Homicide. Life on the street. 105 00:06:19,394 --> 00:06:22,970 Yeah. He was working man as 106 00:06:23,010 --> 00:06:26,298 a Jesus Chewy compost. The amazing West 107 00:06:26,354 --> 00:06:29,498 Studie has Mingo Pace. There's a lot of amazing actors. 108 00:06:29,594 --> 00:06:33,150 Fisher Stevens as James Rat Bag Krochek. 109 00:06:34,530 --> 00:06:37,390 What a name. Rap bag. 110 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,340 Dayton Kelly is Yank Lewis. 111 00:06:42,280 --> 00:06:45,840 Ed Lover as our MC in this film. Can't hate about this 112 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,300 as Marvin Bonds as your. As your ring announcer. 113 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,376 I can't hate on this because it has to do with the soundtrack and I'm 114 00:06:53,408 --> 00:06:56,592 not gonna go there, but I had to shout this guy out because I just 115 00:06:56,616 --> 00:06:59,888 seen him in another movie. I watched, I watched Barbed Wire today for no reason 116 00:06:59,944 --> 00:07:03,722 at all. And Nils Alan Stewart, that obnoxious 117 00:07:03,786 --> 00:07:06,954 dude with that back ponytail hanging out of his head all the time. 118 00:07:07,042 --> 00:07:11,082 You know this bald guy, he shows up in about a billion action movies. 119 00:07:11,226 --> 00:07:14,986 He's in this film. Stuntman, actor and second unit 120 00:07:15,018 --> 00:07:18,682 of or assistant director Nils Alan Stewart. Look him up. 121 00:07:18,786 --> 00:07:22,058 You have seen him in 10 action films. I can guarantee 122 00:07:22,074 --> 00:07:25,258 it. I've seen him in 10 action films this week alone. 123 00:07:25,354 --> 00:07:28,458 There you go. I had to mention him because 124 00:07:28,514 --> 00:07:31,342 I love I of. You know that, that guy, 125 00:07:31,406 --> 00:07:35,454 action stars. You know to do a whole podcast on Spinily Thorson. 126 00:07:35,502 --> 00:07:37,690 Just top, top 10 roles. Be all good. 127 00:07:38,470 --> 00:07:41,850 Oh my gosh. But yeah, this, this is, this is, 128 00:07:42,230 --> 00:07:45,566 this is good to an extent. I'm gonna kick it to Cameron first. 129 00:07:45,638 --> 00:07:49,230 Ask him what he thinks of Undisputed. Well, believe it or not, guys, 130 00:07:49,310 --> 00:07:53,006 this was the first time watch for me. I had not seen Undisputed. 131 00:07:53,038 --> 00:07:56,222 I had not seen any of the sequels which I. I've looked into and I 132 00:07:56,246 --> 00:07:59,330 bookmarked on the old plex. I'm gonna, you know, 133 00:07:59,370 --> 00:08:02,962 try to watch those and see if anything. What's that? 134 00:08:03,066 --> 00:08:05,554 They don't. But they're worth Your time. Okay. 135 00:08:05,602 --> 00:08:08,866 Okay. But I appreciated this 136 00:08:08,938 --> 00:08:12,690 was, I kind of, I, I think I, I, I, 137 00:08:12,810 --> 00:08:16,386 I think like Walter Hill does on this one, he just wanted 138 00:08:16,418 --> 00:08:19,938 to make a boxing movie that was just about a boxing that didn't have any 139 00:08:19,994 --> 00:08:23,570 ulterior motives. And for that, it's a good movie. 140 00:08:23,650 --> 00:08:26,786 It's, it's just about boxing. You know, it's about boxing 141 00:08:26,818 --> 00:08:29,470 in prison. But it's, it's kind of, 142 00:08:30,490 --> 00:08:34,050 I don't want to say it's not good, but it's definitely not great. I mean, 143 00:08:34,090 --> 00:08:37,762 it's got some great performances. I mean, Wesley Snipes is good with little. He's in 144 00:08:37,786 --> 00:08:42,002 it. Bing Rhames is powerhouse in 145 00:08:42,026 --> 00:08:45,602 more ways than one. He's, he's intense. I mean, 146 00:08:45,706 --> 00:08:49,218 everybody is somebody in this movie. You got Fisher Stevens, like we already talked 147 00:08:49,234 --> 00:08:52,706 about West Studi. Peter Falkland was the MVP here and it's 148 00:08:52,738 --> 00:08:55,826 got my boy Michael Rooker in it. I find it hard to hate on anything 149 00:08:55,858 --> 00:08:59,308 that's got a little bit of Michael Rooker. He's a class act. 150 00:08:59,364 --> 00:09:02,300 He's always good in everything he does. But, you know, 151 00:09:02,340 --> 00:09:05,612 it's, it's just kind of blase. It's oddly 152 00:09:05,676 --> 00:09:08,572 paced for a Walter Hill movie. Usually his movies, 153 00:09:08,636 --> 00:09:11,960 you know, are very swiftly paced and just, 154 00:09:12,420 --> 00:09:15,628 just misses the mark just a little bit. Like, like I was saying, 155 00:09:15,684 --> 00:09:19,276 I'm not hating on it completely. I'm just not loving on it completely 156 00:09:19,308 --> 00:09:22,540 either, if that makes any sense. But yeah, for, 157 00:09:22,580 --> 00:09:25,762 for a first time watch, I was, I was impressed enough where I would say 158 00:09:25,786 --> 00:09:29,746 I'd probably watch this again when I'm a little bit more in tune 159 00:09:29,778 --> 00:09:33,746 with the, with the sequels. And I can, I can, I can achieve 160 00:09:33,778 --> 00:09:36,466 that here in the next week or so because I got some time off. 161 00:09:36,618 --> 00:09:39,618 But I walked away from this movie thinking one thing. 162 00:09:39,754 --> 00:09:42,630 I love filthy Peter Falk, 163 00:09:43,130 --> 00:09:46,850 like Foul Mouth Columbo is my jam. 164 00:09:46,930 --> 00:09:49,602 That, that was just great. 165 00:09:49,786 --> 00:09:53,086 And some of the things that were great about this movie, 166 00:09:53,118 --> 00:09:56,958 you know, Peter Falk, Fisher Stevens, for once, not, you know, 167 00:09:57,014 --> 00:09:58,890 doing the short circuit thing and. 168 00:10:00,070 --> 00:10:03,550 Yeesh. Yeah, we do a whole show about that later. 169 00:10:03,670 --> 00:10:07,614 But, you know, this movie is a who's who of tough guy actors 170 00:10:07,662 --> 00:10:11,278 and you know, I mean, it's, it's a sir, it's a serviceable 171 00:10:11,374 --> 00:10:15,166 action movie and, you know, serviceable action drama 172 00:10:15,358 --> 00:10:19,198 and, you know, and again, Peter Falk is the mvp, so I'll leave 173 00:10:19,214 --> 00:10:21,670 it at that. That cool Ali. 174 00:10:22,970 --> 00:10:26,738 So it was a first time watch for me in the sense that I watched 175 00:10:26,754 --> 00:10:30,658 it for the first time for the Podcast, but because like you mentioned, 176 00:10:30,674 --> 00:10:34,098 Gary, it's been a while since we got this episode out. I had already 177 00:10:34,154 --> 00:10:37,362 watched it once before in anticipation that we were 178 00:10:37,386 --> 00:10:41,570 going to record before we had to cancel, like last minute. And I 179 00:10:41,610 --> 00:10:45,090 did find that with the second viewing I liked it a lot more. 180 00:10:45,130 --> 00:10:48,990 I was kind of where Cameron was on the first time I watched it. 181 00:10:49,300 --> 00:10:53,400 But the second time I watched it I enjoyed it a lot more. 182 00:10:54,420 --> 00:10:58,268 But I, I agree with Cameron. It's very simple 183 00:10:58,284 --> 00:11:01,708 and straightforward. It's, it's definitely just Walter Hill wanted 184 00:11:01,724 --> 00:11:05,580 to do a prison boxing movie or just a boxing movie. 185 00:11:05,660 --> 00:11:09,276 I mean, he already did Hard Times, so let's 186 00:11:09,308 --> 00:11:11,920 take Hard Times, but let's do it in, in prison. 187 00:11:13,060 --> 00:11:17,372 It works for what it is. It's very cheap. But it shows and 188 00:11:17,396 --> 00:11:20,600 it shows. But I mean it's, it's like effectively shot effect. 189 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,952 I think I'm in agreement. Like the first time I 190 00:11:24,976 --> 00:11:28,456 watched it, like Cameron was saying, it's slow 191 00:11:28,488 --> 00:11:31,336 in parts. Like it drags a little, the pacing's off, 192 00:11:31,408 --> 00:11:35,112 kinda. A lot of lovingly loving shots of 193 00:11:35,136 --> 00:11:38,620 Wesley Snipes building things with toothpicks. Yes. 194 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:43,240 But I think for me, the second time around I 195 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:47,706 found it much more palatable. My biggest problem is it 196 00:11:47,778 --> 00:11:51,482 starts off a little draggy with all the flashback stuff. Like I 197 00:11:51,506 --> 00:11:54,842 don't think this movie needed any flashbacks at all. And I 198 00:11:54,866 --> 00:11:58,458 think that's the worst part of the movie. Otherwise it's very 199 00:11:58,514 --> 00:12:01,670 straightforward. It works really well. 200 00:12:02,130 --> 00:12:05,210 If you cut the flashback stuff out, I think it would move at a much 201 00:12:05,250 --> 00:12:08,666 quicker pace. And then you get into it and 202 00:12:08,738 --> 00:12:12,202 it's just about the boxing match and the build up to the boxing match and 203 00:12:12,226 --> 00:12:16,688 you have all these great character actors just doing their thing and 204 00:12:16,824 --> 00:12:20,080 it's really enjoyable, I thought. And I'm not a big fan of 205 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,504 boxing movies and like that either. Like, I'm not really into that stuff 206 00:12:23,552 --> 00:12:26,928 and I found myself enjoying it a lot more the second 207 00:12:26,984 --> 00:12:30,288 time around. And yeah, I think it's pretty 208 00:12:30,304 --> 00:12:33,664 decent, I'm gonna say. You know, it's like upper middle of the pack 209 00:12:33,712 --> 00:12:36,848 for Walter Hill, in my opinion. 210 00:12:36,944 --> 00:12:40,352 So. But yeah, we'll get more into it as we, as we talk, but I'll 211 00:12:40,416 --> 00:12:44,042 pass the baton. Yeah, I, I dug this 212 00:12:44,146 --> 00:12:47,882 upon its release because of, you know, the time it 213 00:12:47,906 --> 00:12:51,738 came out there was, there was some decent boxing fair that wasn't 214 00:12:51,834 --> 00:12:55,130 like Rocky stuff coming out. You know, this, this was 215 00:12:55,170 --> 00:12:59,274 out Play to the Bone, the Ron Shelton movie 216 00:12:59,322 --> 00:13:02,890 with Woody Harrelson and, and Antonio Banderas. 217 00:13:02,970 --> 00:13:06,250 Oh yeah, yeah. I enjoyed 218 00:13:06,330 --> 00:13:09,780 stuff like this. So I was, I was like all in for it now, 219 00:13:09,820 --> 00:13:12,996 like you guys mentioned. You know, it's, it's, it's, it's good, 220 00:13:13,068 --> 00:13:16,692 you know, once it gets to the lead up to the fight. And it's fine 221 00:13:16,756 --> 00:13:20,436 before that too. I mean, leading up to. But, but at least at the flashback 222 00:13:20,468 --> 00:13:23,892 stuff, if you guys didn't know Ving Rham is supposed to be Mike Tyson, 223 00:13:23,956 --> 00:13:27,300 okay, this was supposed to be. But they keep going back to 224 00:13:27,340 --> 00:13:31,156 why he went to prison. They keep going back to media scenes of 225 00:13:31,308 --> 00:13:34,020 not Robin Givens telling her story as like, 226 00:13:34,060 --> 00:13:38,088 you just don't care. Just. You need two minutes of exposition 227 00:13:38,264 --> 00:13:41,656 of why he's in prison. And that's, that's all you should have. 228 00:13:41,808 --> 00:13:45,288 They should have maybe one of those flashback moments instead of like 229 00:13:45,344 --> 00:13:49,460 six. Yeah. Like a quick news bite or something. And you know, 230 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:54,100 I mean, this is. A movie that starts out with like the, 231 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:58,184 the so like 90s, early 2000s 232 00:13:58,312 --> 00:14:01,512 cliche of character introduced with title card kind 233 00:14:01,536 --> 00:14:04,616 of thing where it's like so and so in prison for this, 234 00:14:04,688 --> 00:14:08,284 this, and this. And it's like, okay, so there's your backstory 235 00:14:08,332 --> 00:14:11,724 that, like, that's the effective way you bring the backstory. And you don't 236 00:14:11,772 --> 00:14:15,532 need to know anything else. Like, and most people at this point watching this 237 00:14:15,556 --> 00:14:19,276 would know, oh, this is Mike Tyson. Like, this is. This is totally Mike Tyson. 238 00:14:19,308 --> 00:14:23,132 They're just not calling them Mike Tyson. So, like, you don't need 239 00:14:23,316 --> 00:14:27,020 all that extra flashback exposition stuff to know 240 00:14:27,060 --> 00:14:30,460 what this story is actually about. You know who else does this? 241 00:14:30,500 --> 00:14:33,868 Does it? That annoys me. This is going to be controversial statement, but I don't 242 00:14:33,884 --> 00:14:37,596 really need 20 minutes of the movie Sorcerer by William Friedkin. Oh, 243 00:14:37,628 --> 00:14:40,924 you can go right off the. Whole telling 244 00:14:40,972 --> 00:14:44,172 all their backstories and stuff. It kind of takes me out of it 245 00:14:44,196 --> 00:14:47,036 a little bit. I don't know why. Oh, you did to me, sir. 246 00:14:47,228 --> 00:14:50,844 I'm not even. I'm off this podcast. If you like it, 247 00:14:50,852 --> 00:14:54,204 you like it, and a lot of folks do. You're on my favorite movie of 248 00:14:54,212 --> 00:14:57,852 all time right now. This is a personal opinion. Yeah. 249 00:14:57,996 --> 00:15:01,036 Oh, man. Like, people that, that love the no Limit 250 00:15:01,068 --> 00:15:04,510 Soldiers. I'm not one of those people. And you know, 251 00:15:04,630 --> 00:15:08,286 I, I grew up right around 20 years old when these are 252 00:15:08,358 --> 00:15:11,726 8, 17, 18 when this came out and Master 253 00:15:11,758 --> 00:15:15,022 P and his no Limit soldier show up in this film and they show up 254 00:15:15,046 --> 00:15:17,822 on the soundtrack. And you know what? The biggest he takes me out of this 255 00:15:17,846 --> 00:15:21,326 film is not those flashbacks. It's the weak sauce hip 256 00:15:21,358 --> 00:15:25,054 hop soundtrack that's in this movie a 257 00:15:25,062 --> 00:15:28,526 little out. Of date, isn't it? It's not even that. It's just not very good. 258 00:15:28,598 --> 00:15:31,608 Well, that all? Well, that too, yeah. Master P was never any of that. 259 00:15:31,774 --> 00:15:35,268 I could watch the shocker. He wasn't there that good either. 260 00:15:35,364 --> 00:15:38,564 I could watch the movie colors and enjoy the hip hop soundtrack 261 00:15:38,612 --> 00:15:42,260 and that. Yeah, you know, that's, that's, that's a good hip hop 262 00:15:42,300 --> 00:15:45,796 soundtrack. And that came up before this. I can't say, hey, I don't 263 00:15:45,828 --> 00:15:49,188 like hip hop soundtracks. But, you know, this is, it really 264 00:15:49,244 --> 00:15:52,612 takes, you know, something that should 265 00:15:52,636 --> 00:15:56,500 have been a story that should have been told, not better. Because this was. 266 00:15:56,540 --> 00:16:00,352 This is a film filled with characters. I can't say all the characters 267 00:16:00,416 --> 00:16:04,288 mesh well together, but I love everything that they're doing, if that makes any 268 00:16:04,344 --> 00:16:07,600 sense. Yeah, everyone's getting 269 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:11,408 to play. Like, it feels like Walter Hill just kind of had 270 00:16:11,464 --> 00:16:14,512 people like, do, do your thing. Like, here's, here's the script and all. But, 271 00:16:14,536 --> 00:16:18,380 you know, do your thing. Like, you're great. I mean, I feel like 272 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,080 in one of the best parts of this movie, frankly, is that 273 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,432 like two minute monologue that Peter Falk has 274 00:16:25,576 --> 00:16:29,048 where like Cameron mentioned where he starts getting like 275 00:16:29,184 --> 00:16:32,648 every second word is. And, and, and, 276 00:16:32,784 --> 00:16:36,328 and the government taking the, putting, taking my taxes 277 00:16:36,344 --> 00:16:39,512 and the. My wife is sick and I had to 278 00:16:39,616 --> 00:16:42,504 move here. Yeah, suckers. 279 00:16:42,632 --> 00:16:46,456 Like, hearing Peter Falk say would have been 280 00:16:46,528 --> 00:16:49,592 worth the price of admission alone. Have I seen 281 00:16:49,616 --> 00:16:52,696 this in theaters? Yeah, it feels like, 282 00:16:52,848 --> 00:16:56,108 especially in that case, it feels like he just let Peter Falk go. 283 00:16:56,164 --> 00:16:59,452 Like he just like, just come up with something like, here's a bullet point 284 00:16:59,476 --> 00:17:03,100 of what you're talking about, but just come up with something and because it does 285 00:17:03,140 --> 00:17:06,604 not feel scripted to me, I could be totally wrong, but it 286 00:17:06,692 --> 00:17:10,540 does not feel scripted. It just feels like this is what. This is 287 00:17:10,580 --> 00:17:14,460 Peter Falk riffing. You know, I mean, Peter Falk's played these sort of characters 288 00:17:14,620 --> 00:17:18,012 his entire career, so it's like, it wouldn't be hard for him to 289 00:17:18,036 --> 00:17:21,301 like, be an old mobster in prison. He's like, he's like 290 00:17:21,325 --> 00:17:24,485 Alan Arkin. Yeah. Who could bring prestige 291 00:17:24,597 --> 00:17:26,969 to the Jerky Boys movie. Okay. 292 00:17:28,269 --> 00:17:31,541 Jerky Boys movie is salvageable because Alan Arkin is 293 00:17:31,565 --> 00:17:34,501 in it. You put Peter Falk in a movie like this where, 294 00:17:34,525 --> 00:17:38,133 you know, he has lots of great scenes in here to where he's like, 295 00:17:38,221 --> 00:17:42,277 the property first goes to the Iceman cell. And he's just talking 296 00:17:42,373 --> 00:17:45,609 about him being a one punch slug. And. Yeah, 297 00:17:46,100 --> 00:17:49,756 you're a Champion. Yeah, he's definitely trying to, 298 00:17:49,908 --> 00:17:53,596 I love it. He's, how he's subtly just like trying to send 299 00:17:53,628 --> 00:17:57,212 these two alpha bulls headbutting 300 00:17:57,276 --> 00:18:01,372 each other because it, you know, he can make a good bet on the 301 00:18:01,556 --> 00:18:05,132 fight. You know that, that's the big thing. Like he's still got power in prison. 302 00:18:05,196 --> 00:18:08,812 He's got outside contacts with bookies and stuff like that to 303 00:18:08,836 --> 00:18:12,728 make Vegas bets on this. And, and it's like I can, 304 00:18:12,884 --> 00:18:16,416 I can clean up betting in prison and I can clean up betting 305 00:18:16,448 --> 00:18:20,096 outside because there's people outside interested in this fight as well. 306 00:18:20,248 --> 00:18:23,360 And so he's, his entire thing is just to like 307 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:27,168 get Ving Rhames pissed off. Because Ving Rhames is a 308 00:18:27,304 --> 00:18:30,688 egotistical, self centered, 309 00:18:30,864 --> 00:18:34,960 just higher than thou who walks into 310 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,384 that prison with his chest puffed up like he's the biggest in 311 00:18:38,392 --> 00:18:41,512 the world. I mean, he's the world champion, so you could kind of 312 00:18:41,536 --> 00:18:45,000 get where he's coming from. You know, he walks in like he's a God among 313 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:48,872 men and he. Yeah, I mean, he pretty much is. I mean, but you 314 00:18:48,896 --> 00:18:51,688 know, the mortal words of Dennis Hopper, tone it down, 315 00:18:51,744 --> 00:18:55,400 man. Let's try to be that 316 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,632 pompous. He's trying to be. Again, they have the, the whole. 317 00:18:58,696 --> 00:19:02,120 Again, the Peter Fox stuff is amazing. I'll listen to 318 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,576 talk about Rocky Marciano for, for five minutes. 319 00:19:05,768 --> 00:19:09,736 The same reason why I listened to Pat McAfee talk about college 320 00:19:09,768 --> 00:19:14,296 football. I give a about college football, but he's enthusiastic 321 00:19:14,328 --> 00:19:17,592 about it, so he makes me care about college football. Yeah. 322 00:19:17,736 --> 00:19:20,856 When you hear someone have passion for something, even if it's something you're not into, 323 00:19:20,928 --> 00:19:24,568 and, but they can talk about it in a really eloquent and 324 00:19:24,624 --> 00:19:27,752 maybe even poetic way, then yeah, it's, it's going to be 325 00:19:27,776 --> 00:19:31,256 something you can listen to regardless. But yeah, I love the relationships, 326 00:19:31,288 --> 00:19:35,030 you know, the surprise relationships, because he gets, he gets west duty 327 00:19:35,530 --> 00:19:38,930 as, as a, as a cellmate and you wouldn't think they'd like 328 00:19:38,970 --> 00:19:42,994 come together and be buds, but they kind of come together, be buds. That's like 329 00:19:43,162 --> 00:19:47,090 his only like real soft spot is his relationship with Mingo in this movie. 330 00:19:47,170 --> 00:19:51,106 And he, it's hard not to love West Studio in anything because he's, 331 00:19:51,138 --> 00:19:54,482 he's stone face but, but you know, 332 00:19:54,666 --> 00:19:57,378 serious thing, you know, I just, he's, 333 00:19:57,474 --> 00:20:01,378 he's. Probably the closest like him and like John 334 00:20:01,434 --> 00:20:04,870 Cedar are probably the, the closest thing to 335 00:20:04,910 --> 00:20:07,910 like quote unquote nice guys in this prison, you know. 336 00:20:07,950 --> 00:20:11,382 Right, right. Because. Because they present Wesley Snipes and 337 00:20:11,406 --> 00:20:14,490 Ving Rhames as, like, major shades of gray 338 00:20:15,550 --> 00:20:19,174 because you. You don't like. You know, we see that Wesley Snipes killed somebody 339 00:20:19,222 --> 00:20:23,142 over, like, a kind of a lover's quarrel thing. Ving Rhames, 340 00:20:23,286 --> 00:20:27,206 it's never even really confirmed if he did rape 341 00:20:27,238 --> 00:20:31,420 that woman or not. But the way he carries himself 342 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,096 just makes you hate him anyway because, you know, 343 00:20:35,168 --> 00:20:38,856 like, he's talking to that female, like, prosecutor or lawyer or whatever 344 00:20:38,888 --> 00:20:42,680 the it is that he's talking to. And. And even when 345 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,688 she brings up, you know, she said this and this, and he's like, 346 00:20:45,744 --> 00:20:49,064 well, she enjoyed it, you know, and she wasn't feeling pain when I 347 00:20:49,072 --> 00:20:52,520 was her that night. Like, just how arrogant he is about it makes you 348 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:56,056 think maybe he did. Maybe he did rape that woman. 349 00:20:56,128 --> 00:20:59,752 You know, maybe he misinterpreted signals, but maybe he raped that 350 00:20:59,776 --> 00:21:02,898 woman. And. But you never really 100% know. 351 00:21:03,034 --> 00:21:07,522 And so that, like, makes him sort of the de facto villain with 352 00:21:07,546 --> 00:21:10,482 his attitude when he comes in prison, because everyone hates him. 353 00:21:10,506 --> 00:21:13,922 Everyone's like, immediately like, fuck this guy. He thinks he's better than everyone else. 354 00:21:13,986 --> 00:21:17,170 And so it's. It's. It's almost, you know, everyone starts, like, 355 00:21:17,210 --> 00:21:20,802 coming behind Wesley Snipes as a prison pride 356 00:21:20,866 --> 00:21:24,482 kind of thing. Like, he's not gonna walk in here and treat us like 357 00:21:24,506 --> 00:21:27,698 shit. Yeah. He's not gonna pretend like he's better than the rest of us because 358 00:21:27,754 --> 00:21:30,948 he's in here too. You know, whether he did it or not. 359 00:21:31,004 --> 00:21:34,356 You know, every. Everybody's got a story. Everybody's, you know, 360 00:21:34,428 --> 00:21:37,780 everybody's quote, unquote innocent. But, you know, 361 00:21:37,820 --> 00:21:41,092 they don't have to confirm whether or not he actually raped that 362 00:21:41,116 --> 00:21:44,260 woman or not, because we already know that he's a complete 363 00:21:44,340 --> 00:21:48,148 piece of. Yeah, he's just a scumbag. Although I guess. I guess some. 364 00:21:48,204 --> 00:21:52,244 Like the. One of the sequels that his. Like, his character carries 365 00:21:52,292 --> 00:21:56,990 over into one of the sequels not played by Ving Rhames. Right. But I. 366 00:21:57,030 --> 00:22:00,718 I guess he's like the. In, like, the sequel that his character carries over 367 00:22:00,774 --> 00:22:03,742 to is. He is like the. The good guy in that one, 368 00:22:03,846 --> 00:22:07,742 which is weird. Yeah, it's odd. That's not really, like, tracks with it 369 00:22:07,766 --> 00:22:11,358 with the. This one here, obviously, but it's 370 00:22:11,374 --> 00:22:15,050 all about Boycott and those sequels, so you don't really don't care, you know, 371 00:22:16,150 --> 00:22:19,358 Good old Scotty Atkins kicking all kinds of ass in those movies. 372 00:22:19,454 --> 00:22:23,134 Oh, yeah. Highly recommended Those. Those undisputed sequels, 373 00:22:23,182 --> 00:22:26,832 you know. Oh, my gosh. But, yeah, I. 374 00:22:26,936 --> 00:22:30,432 I like that. Like, I think the setup for the fight is pretty good. 375 00:22:30,536 --> 00:22:34,416 But then you get to the fighting, you just see how, because Wesley 376 00:22:34,448 --> 00:22:37,968 Snipes this film he's built himself up to be, you know, 377 00:22:38,024 --> 00:22:41,168 Bill, this is the, the slimmest and most muscular he's ever been 378 00:22:41,224 --> 00:22:44,752 in my. And oh yeah, he put the work in. 379 00:22:44,856 --> 00:22:48,112 I can't say so much about being reigns in this movie as far as like 380 00:22:48,136 --> 00:22:51,370 putting the work in. You know, I mean, I've seen, 381 00:22:51,410 --> 00:22:55,034 I've seen Vig Rhames like carry more like obvious fat 382 00:22:55,082 --> 00:22:58,202 on him in certain roles. Like he's pretty cut in 383 00:22:58,226 --> 00:23:01,594 this. Like he's just a big meaty, but you 384 00:23:01,602 --> 00:23:05,482 know, he's fairly cut at least in the arms. He looks like a boxer and 385 00:23:05,666 --> 00:23:08,922 Wesley Snipe looks like a boxer. And I'll say this, 386 00:23:08,946 --> 00:23:12,042 Wesley Snipe is really playing against type in this one too. He's not like a 387 00:23:12,066 --> 00:23:15,850 cocky, like kind of cynical guy or 388 00:23:15,890 --> 00:23:20,020 whatever. Like he usually plays something who. A guy who's like, you know, 389 00:23:20,140 --> 00:23:23,556 saying one liners and stuff like that. The Blade type 390 00:23:23,588 --> 00:23:27,044 role. Yeah. So he's, he's definitely like going a 391 00:23:27,052 --> 00:23:31,572 different direction here and it's like it wasn't for, you know, the, all those unfortunate 392 00:23:31,716 --> 00:23:35,108 like tax problems that he ran into and like 393 00:23:35,244 --> 00:23:38,868 he, he could have been like the one big 394 00:23:38,924 --> 00:23:42,484 action hero like successor to like the, the classic 395 00:23:42,532 --> 00:23:45,940 80s guys, I feel, because he's just so good and he's, he's a really good 396 00:23:45,980 --> 00:23:49,772 actor too. And yeah, I mean this is kind of his, his version of 397 00:23:49,796 --> 00:23:53,196 doing Stallone's Lockup just with Lock 398 00:23:53,228 --> 00:23:56,460 up if, you know, Stallone was playing Rocky in prison. 399 00:23:56,620 --> 00:24:00,124 Yeah. You know, this is, this movie is Lock 400 00:24:00,172 --> 00:24:04,124 up or it's like Penitentiary without 401 00:24:04,212 --> 00:24:08,092 like the, the more like cheapo exploitation 402 00:24:08,156 --> 00:24:11,996 elements. Like this is very. It's a kind of an old fashioned 403 00:24:12,028 --> 00:24:15,200 boxing movie really. Like, it's, it's very. It feels. 404 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,780 I think I've, I think I read a review that agrees with me on this. 405 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,992 Oh, I think it was. Ebert actually said it that like this 406 00:24:24,016 --> 00:24:27,816 reminded him of like a 1940s boxing movie. 407 00:24:27,928 --> 00:24:31,140 Like, just like a cheapo like you know, 408 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:36,232 programmer that they put out there. Like a boxing movie or something like 409 00:24:36,256 --> 00:24:39,656 that. And yeah, I'm kind of in agreement with that. It feels 410 00:24:39,688 --> 00:24:43,496 very old fashioned in a lot of ways. Like it's, it's not, it's not particularly 411 00:24:43,528 --> 00:24:47,160 sleazy. There's not like, there's, there's like one, 412 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,140 maybe one pair of tits in it in the flashback or whatever. 413 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,472 The violence is not exceptionally bloody or. 414 00:24:54,656 --> 00:24:57,496 Yeah, there's not a lot of gore in this. No. A lot of blood. 415 00:24:57,528 --> 00:25:00,456 I mean, there's the obligatory cut above the eye kind of thing. 416 00:25:00,528 --> 00:25:04,376 But yeah, when they show Wesley Snipes in the flashback 417 00:25:04,408 --> 00:25:06,936 doing, you know, killing the, 418 00:25:07,088 --> 00:25:11,162 the, his girls, like you know, side piece or whatever you would 419 00:25:11,186 --> 00:25:14,874 want to call it, you know, that's not bloody or gory or even particularly violent. 420 00:25:14,922 --> 00:25:18,954 I mean, like the most violence in this is the beginning opening 421 00:25:19,002 --> 00:25:22,106 boxing match, in the end boxing match. Yeah, I, 422 00:25:22,178 --> 00:25:25,914 I honestly, I think maybe that's what ultimately Walter 423 00:25:25,962 --> 00:25:28,794 Hill was going for. He was trying to make one of those like old fashioned 424 00:25:28,842 --> 00:25:32,122 boxing movies, but just set it in 425 00:25:32,146 --> 00:25:35,322 modern context, in modern times. So, like you get 426 00:25:35,346 --> 00:25:38,442 the hip hop stuff and you know, he's done that before. He did that all 427 00:25:38,466 --> 00:25:41,490 through the 90s when he was making movies with like, you know, 428 00:25:41,950 --> 00:25:44,610 trespass and stuff like that, you know, like. 429 00:25:46,510 --> 00:25:49,990 So, like, this is not, this is not new for him. But I mean, 430 00:25:50,110 --> 00:25:53,734 he's, he's, he's really trying to like frame it in a more modern context, 431 00:25:53,782 --> 00:25:57,414 but still do it like a classic kind of genre picture. 432 00:25:57,462 --> 00:26:00,774 And I think for that it works pretty well. 433 00:26:00,862 --> 00:26:04,102 Like I, I, like I said this second time going 434 00:26:04,126 --> 00:26:07,816 through it, I really enjoyed it. So I think I'm 435 00:26:07,848 --> 00:26:11,048 biased because when I used to work, I still work at the same place, 436 00:26:11,104 --> 00:26:14,712 but many, many moons ago, there was young kids there that 437 00:26:14,736 --> 00:26:17,100 would just eat up that no limit shit. 438 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,420 I just listened to against my will. 439 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,792 Mafia and all this shit all day long it just 440 00:26:24,816 --> 00:26:28,456 kept playing in a loop and I just wanted to kill myself in my 441 00:26:28,608 --> 00:26:31,912 place of work. And, you know, so the hip hop soundtrack in 442 00:26:31,936 --> 00:26:34,712 this kind of reminded me of the good old days to where I want to 443 00:26:34,736 --> 00:26:37,570 kill myself at work. Well, 444 00:26:37,610 --> 00:26:40,962 bad, bad hip hop for me just kind of like goes in one ear and 445 00:26:40,986 --> 00:26:44,914 out the other. I filter it pretty well. So I don't have your unique 446 00:26:44,962 --> 00:26:48,834 problem with that. Like I did. It was just like background radiation 447 00:26:48,882 --> 00:26:52,242 for me, really. Like, if I can ignore 448 00:26:52,306 --> 00:26:56,146 shitty country music, I can ignore shitty hip hop at the same time, you know, 449 00:26:56,298 --> 00:27:00,274 it's. Kind of like when Alicia Keys was on the radio every 45 minutes. 450 00:27:00,402 --> 00:27:03,746 First time you're like, wow, this sounds nice. Second time, this, this still sounds 451 00:27:03,778 --> 00:27:07,502 okay. Like that third or 18th time of the day because they're playing the 452 00:27:07,526 --> 00:27:10,734 same over and over again. Yeah, yeah, I just can't do it 453 00:27:10,742 --> 00:27:14,094 anymore. Leash keys. I can't do it. You know what I could have 454 00:27:14,102 --> 00:27:18,206 done with Maura in this movie was Fisher Stevens trying to 455 00:27:18,278 --> 00:27:22,110 act hard and punch Ving Rhames in the face. No, that was 456 00:27:22,150 --> 00:27:25,342 the best seat, that. Other than Peter Falk's, like, 457 00:27:25,366 --> 00:27:28,302 monologue. That was the best scene because I was just like, 458 00:27:28,326 --> 00:27:31,514 oh, no, dude, just walk away. Just walk away. 459 00:27:31,682 --> 00:27:34,922 You. You might be. You know, you're. Just because you're rat bag doesn't mean you 460 00:27:34,946 --> 00:27:38,826 have to be a rat bag, man. Fisher. Steven. I'm sorry. 461 00:27:38,858 --> 00:27:42,602 It's gonna end bad, you know? Yeah. Fisher. Fisher Stevens, 462 00:27:42,666 --> 00:27:46,874 like, looking like he's. He's. He's like auditioning 463 00:27:46,922 --> 00:27:50,442 to be like the. The successor to Tracy Walter 464 00:27:50,506 --> 00:27:53,962 or something in this movie. Because first time I 465 00:27:53,986 --> 00:27:57,470 watched this is like, is that Tracy Walter? Oh, no, that's Fisher Stevens. Holy. 466 00:27:58,610 --> 00:28:02,140 Yeah, he was not looking good at this point. Yeah, it was like. 467 00:28:02,180 --> 00:28:06,252 It was like Mr. Stevens trying to play Tracy Walters by way of 468 00:28:06,356 --> 00:28:09,740 Gary Oldman as Drexel and Jesus. 469 00:28:09,820 --> 00:28:13,180 True romance. Yeah, that. I can see that a little bit too. 470 00:28:13,220 --> 00:28:16,412 Yeah, I just. I just watched that literally, you know, because I guess it was 471 00:28:16,436 --> 00:28:19,820 white boy day, so I'll say about that. I guess it ain't white boy day, 472 00:28:19,860 --> 00:28:23,292 is it? Oh, man. It ain't white boy day. That's a 473 00:28:23,316 --> 00:28:26,870 great movie. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, I like, 474 00:28:26,910 --> 00:28:29,510 I like. It kind of reminds me of like the way you would, like, 475 00:28:29,550 --> 00:28:32,970 watch YouTube videos now, like, leading up to a fighter, like, tick tock. 476 00:28:33,390 --> 00:28:36,966 I kind of played like that, like, leading up to the fight in this movie. 477 00:28:37,078 --> 00:28:40,518 And of course, very theatrically, I enjoyed. 478 00:28:40,614 --> 00:28:44,390 I enjoyed that segment of this movie very, very much. And. 479 00:28:44,510 --> 00:28:47,334 And when you got to the fight, you know, it, it. 480 00:28:47,422 --> 00:28:50,130 It's Phil again. It's Walter Hill. It's film. Well, 481 00:28:50,510 --> 00:28:53,690 it looks good inside of. Inside of a cage. 482 00:28:54,830 --> 00:28:58,038 It ends with, you know. Yeah, the way it ends. 483 00:28:58,054 --> 00:29:00,102 I don't want to give it away. People saw it disputed, but, you know, 484 00:29:00,126 --> 00:29:03,526 it's. It's, It's. It's. The right man won the, 485 00:29:03,598 --> 00:29:08,006 the fight and got more. Peter Falk and Peter 486 00:29:08,038 --> 00:29:11,142 Fox took care of his man. I like that part of the movie. 487 00:29:11,206 --> 00:29:14,342 Yeah, I like that part too. That was a nice touch that. I did 488 00:29:14,366 --> 00:29:17,782 not have that on my. Bingo card because the way he was talking about 489 00:29:17,806 --> 00:29:21,134 him, like, like Mindy. Mindy, 490 00:29:21,222 --> 00:29:24,910 whatever his name is, had like Alzheimer's or something. 491 00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:28,622 He would come in and out of, like, different fight scenarios. I don't think he 492 00:29:28,646 --> 00:29:31,710 did because I think he just like talking about old, old fights, you know? 493 00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:35,006 Yeah, no, no, he. He. He plays 494 00:29:35,038 --> 00:29:38,686 a fully realized, like, kind of three dimensional character who. 495 00:29:38,838 --> 00:29:42,430 But he's not like, given a lot necessarily. In the script to do it with. 496 00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:46,302 It's just Peter Falk being Peter Falk and just, like, living in the 497 00:29:46,326 --> 00:29:50,382 shoes of the character. And, like, he. He's got stuff going on behind 498 00:29:50,486 --> 00:29:53,760 the eyes, you know, or the eye, I should say. 499 00:29:54,380 --> 00:29:58,068 Hey, but. But, you know, like, he. 500 00:29:58,204 --> 00:30:01,844 He is manipulating things behind the scenes for. Throughout the entire 501 00:30:01,892 --> 00:30:05,844 movie. And, like, honestly, it was the second watch through that really 502 00:30:06,012 --> 00:30:09,700 made me appreciate that more, where I was like, oh, yeah. No, Peter Falk is, 503 00:30:09,740 --> 00:30:13,028 like, on. On top of everything, he. He feels 504 00:30:13,044 --> 00:30:16,356 like he knows he's gonna die, basically. And. 505 00:30:16,428 --> 00:30:19,780 And he's been engineering this whole thing to, you know, give his 506 00:30:19,820 --> 00:30:23,130 friends of taking care of him some money and like that. So, you know. 507 00:30:23,220 --> 00:30:26,590 Oh, yeah. I never felt like he did have Alzheimer's. I thought he was 508 00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:30,542 playing everybody. Yeah, like, when he came up with that, that was like. 509 00:30:30,566 --> 00:30:33,774 Was it three pages of rules for the fight? And he's like, yeah, no gloves. 510 00:30:33,822 --> 00:30:36,450 He's like, why? Because the rules say no gloves. 511 00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:40,730 Why? Any other reason? Because I said so. 512 00:30:41,030 --> 00:30:43,010 Marcus of Queensberry. 513 00:30:46,390 --> 00:30:49,598 Dayton. Tally is so good in this, too. He's not given 514 00:30:49,654 --> 00:30:52,274 a whole heap and hell of a lot to do other than to be, 515 00:30:52,422 --> 00:30:55,786 you know, ving rhames, like, verbal punching 516 00:30:55,818 --> 00:30:59,306 bag. Yeah, but. Yeah, I mean, much like. 517 00:30:59,378 --> 00:31:02,906 Like, there's one big travesty in this movie is that they don't give Michael 518 00:31:02,938 --> 00:31:06,842 Rooker very much to do. Yeah, that's true. But they 519 00:31:06,866 --> 00:31:10,058 didn't give him the, you know, The. The atypical storyline, you know, 520 00:31:10,114 --> 00:31:12,634 the. The stereotypical, you know, 521 00:31:12,722 --> 00:31:16,202 badass, you know, you know, head of the guard or whatever you want 522 00:31:16,226 --> 00:31:19,402 to call him, you know, where he's just like, okay, you know, I mean, 523 00:31:19,426 --> 00:31:21,830 he. He definitely plays the. 524 00:31:22,660 --> 00:31:26,044 What the hell's the name of the guy that played the. The warden? 525 00:31:26,172 --> 00:31:30,044 Dennis something. I can't remember his full name. The place. Warden Lipscomb. 526 00:31:30,172 --> 00:31:33,452 But, you know, he's just like, yeah, what do you want me to do? 527 00:31:33,476 --> 00:31:36,492 He's like, I don't want anybody, you know, killing me on the way to my 528 00:31:36,516 --> 00:31:40,524 car or anything. Yeah. He's like, I ain't gonna. I ain't gonna cross 529 00:31:40,572 --> 00:31:43,932 these guys. No, he's a. He's like a middleman and a 530 00:31:43,956 --> 00:31:47,452 peacekeeper, and he just, like, you know, he. He skirts, you know, 531 00:31:47,476 --> 00:31:50,968 he. He. He jumps between both camps, like, kind of like 532 00:31:51,104 --> 00:31:54,424 making sure things move smoothly in the machine or whatever. 533 00:31:54,472 --> 00:31:57,560 Like, he. You know, he's. He's. He's kind of shucking and jiving, 534 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,696 but, you know, without like, stepping on anyone's Toes. 535 00:32:00,728 --> 00:32:04,184 And he's like a very smart character. 536 00:32:04,312 --> 00:32:06,856 And I, you know, I think, you know, part of the reason why you don't 537 00:32:06,888 --> 00:32:10,424 get a bit more from him is basically 538 00:32:10,472 --> 00:32:14,552 just because the movie's an hour and a half and it's like there 539 00:32:14,576 --> 00:32:18,244 is room for these characters to be in like a two hour 540 00:32:18,332 --> 00:32:21,764 movie. But that's not what Walter Hill was making here. You know, 541 00:32:21,852 --> 00:32:25,300 he's making a 15 million dollar movie 542 00:32:25,380 --> 00:32:28,628 in 2002. It's not going to be two hours long. 543 00:32:28,764 --> 00:32:31,796 It's just not happening. So he's gotta, 544 00:32:31,828 --> 00:32:34,660 he's got to keep things short. And I mean, he's looking, I feel, again, 545 00:32:34,700 --> 00:32:38,212 I feel like he's looking to make a simple, straightforward boxing movie. 546 00:32:38,276 --> 00:32:42,052 So, you know, some of those character things don't get expanded upon. 547 00:32:42,116 --> 00:32:45,932 But you know, Rooker's good for what limited screen time 548 00:32:46,036 --> 00:32:50,120 he has in this. Oh yeah, yeah, he's, he's still very good. 549 00:32:51,380 --> 00:32:54,860 What do you call it? Taking Kelly's got a great name 550 00:32:54,900 --> 00:32:57,920 too. Yank Lewis in this movie. Yank Lewis, yeah. 551 00:33:00,260 --> 00:33:03,468 Forget to mention, other folks show up in this film too. Like we mentioned, 552 00:33:03,484 --> 00:33:07,292 Peter Jason up there shows up for a hot second as 553 00:33:07,316 --> 00:33:11,440 a TV announcer. But one guy I want to mention is 554 00:33:11,900 --> 00:33:15,396 Stuntman and Super Freddy and the Thing himself, 555 00:33:15,588 --> 00:33:18,320 Michael Bailey Smith shows up in this as, 556 00:33:18,700 --> 00:33:21,640 as the head skinhead in this movie. Yeah, 557 00:33:22,060 --> 00:33:26,000 I like this guy and things. He's like, he shows up in action things, 558 00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:28,964 you know, similar to that guy with the ponytail. 559 00:33:29,092 --> 00:33:33,012 He shows up in things. He might even be in an Undisputed sequel. 560 00:33:33,076 --> 00:33:36,160 If I remember, he might even be. I, I think he is. 561 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:41,040 No, this was another film I'm thinking of In Hell with 562 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,040 Jean Claude Van Damme, which isn't a bad movie either. It's like a foreign 563 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:45,780 prison. 564 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,096 Yeah, it's not bad, but Undisputed. 565 00:33:52,128 --> 00:33:55,056 Anything else you guys want to say about Undisputed? Lee Russell, how you doing? 566 00:33:55,128 --> 00:33:58,160 What's up, sir? No, I, I think I said all I need to say about 567 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,472 it. I think it's good, I think it's worth watching. I think this is one 568 00:34:01,496 --> 00:34:05,262 of those ones that, you know, we can, we can all be 569 00:34:05,286 --> 00:34:08,590 honest here that this is not necessarily Walter Hill's best period for 570 00:34:08,630 --> 00:34:12,330 his films. We've kind of run into a couple stinkers or 571 00:34:12,870 --> 00:34:16,366 movies that haven't quite lived up to what we kind of expect from him 572 00:34:16,438 --> 00:34:20,334 in the last couple years. But this is 573 00:34:20,422 --> 00:34:23,774 really surprisingly good, especially for Walter Hill. 574 00:34:23,822 --> 00:34:27,694 2002. Someone got him the money 575 00:34:27,862 --> 00:34:31,502 and he put together a really good little B pitcher, basically is what 576 00:34:31,526 --> 00:34:34,990 this is. And it's one that I don't think people 577 00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:38,650 should sleep on. It's, it's actually a quality little. 578 00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:42,110 Especially if you like, you know, if you like boxing movies, if you're into that 579 00:34:42,150 --> 00:34:45,486 genre, this is a good one. It does all the things it's supposed 580 00:34:45,518 --> 00:34:49,022 to do. It's got a little bit of shades of gray, a little bit of 581 00:34:49,046 --> 00:34:52,238 like, is this character that 582 00:34:52,294 --> 00:34:55,470 much of a piece of or not? Who knows? Like, 583 00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:59,182 there's a. There's enough ambiguity in there to make it interesting. 584 00:34:59,246 --> 00:35:02,892 And a bunch of great performances. 585 00:35:02,956 --> 00:35:06,396 Wesley Snipes again, going a little bit against type here. 586 00:35:06,548 --> 00:35:09,708 Thing reigns. Just like owning every scene he's in. 587 00:35:09,764 --> 00:35:13,724 Peter Falk owning every scene he's in. Yeah, it's. It's definitely 588 00:35:13,772 --> 00:35:16,908 worth people's time to check out. I liked it quite 589 00:35:16,924 --> 00:35:19,708 a bit, so. Yeah. Because I think we have, like, redeeming, 590 00:35:19,804 --> 00:35:24,684 like, story arcs. No, there's a relationship is between Chewy 591 00:35:24,732 --> 00:35:27,788 and, And good old Mindy Ripstein there. 592 00:35:27,844 --> 00:35:31,204 Yeah. You know, because he kind of dumps on him, but at the end of 593 00:35:31,212 --> 00:35:34,420 the day, he takes care of him. Yeah, he took 594 00:35:34,460 --> 00:35:37,604 care of them. And that's what, that's what's important. Yeah. 595 00:35:37,652 --> 00:35:41,220 Listen, kid, you're a piece of. But I'm gonna give you $2 million when I 596 00:35:41,260 --> 00:35:44,372 die. And what about that 597 00:35:44,476 --> 00:35:48,084 sad ending? I mean, like, that, you know, 598 00:35:48,092 --> 00:35:51,172 Peter Falk ended up dying like three weeks after it, you know, 599 00:35:51,196 --> 00:35:55,220 was over. It's just like, oh, but, but, but I like crotchety old 600 00:35:55,260 --> 00:35:58,614 Peter Falk. Yeah. We'll not be back for 601 00:35:58,622 --> 00:36:01,558 the sequels, people. But. What. Yes. 602 00:36:01,654 --> 00:36:05,094 Spoiler. He didn't have his eye out for the sequel 603 00:36:05,142 --> 00:36:07,450 script. Yeah, damn. Literally. 604 00:36:09,790 --> 00:36:13,890 What about you, sir? Other than going for the low hanging fruit there? 605 00:36:14,750 --> 00:36:18,646 Like I said, I like this movie well enough. I, I feel like Lee's 606 00:36:18,678 --> 00:36:21,782 got a point that I probably should, you know, 607 00:36:21,806 --> 00:36:25,566 give it a second watch. I won't give it a second watch anytime soon because, 608 00:36:25,678 --> 00:36:29,006 you know, I, I want to revisit it again in maybe 609 00:36:29,038 --> 00:36:32,126 another year or so, in six months to a year. Because I believe in giving 610 00:36:32,158 --> 00:36:36,030 every movie a second ch. Chance. But it's, it's a serviceable, 611 00:36:36,110 --> 00:36:39,470 you know, boxing movie. I tend to like boxing movies, you know, 612 00:36:39,590 --> 00:36:43,502 a little bit. I'm not my biggest jam, but, you know, I'm here 613 00:36:43,526 --> 00:36:47,326 for the character actors. And like, I love guys like Peter Falk, 614 00:36:47,438 --> 00:36:51,278 Fisher Stevens, Wes Studi, Michael Rooker, Dayton Cali. 615 00:36:51,294 --> 00:36:54,992 I mean, they, they make movies like this because if you don't have 616 00:36:55,016 --> 00:36:58,320 somebody good for somebody like Wesley Snipes and big ribs to play 617 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,064 off of. Then what do you have? Yeah, you know, but I, 618 00:37:02,152 --> 00:37:05,824 I think it's definitely a step up from his, from Walter's 619 00:37:05,872 --> 00:37:09,520 previous movie Supernova. Oh yeah, because I think that's why 620 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,040 he probably made this lower budgeted movie. It wasn't an 80 million 621 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,384 dollar movie. It wasn't sci fi, it wasn't horror, it wasn't 622 00:37:16,432 --> 00:37:19,936 craziness. It wasn't like, you know, low rent and it's 623 00:37:19,968 --> 00:37:23,506 been calling Supernova low rent event horizon lately. 624 00:37:23,538 --> 00:37:27,186 But you know, I think he probably did the right thing by making something 625 00:37:27,258 --> 00:37:30,690 a little small, you know, almost not kind of studio 626 00:37:30,770 --> 00:37:34,130 picture, you know, using air quotes here that you can't see but 627 00:37:34,250 --> 00:37:37,938 you know, there's, there's enough meat on the bones here to you know, 628 00:37:37,994 --> 00:37:41,490 the satiate, you know, any good action lover. I think if 629 00:37:41,530 --> 00:37:44,898 you love, you know, Wesley Snipe being Rheims, watch it. 630 00:37:44,954 --> 00:37:48,066 Definitely. You'll probably like it. And if you like boxing 631 00:37:48,098 --> 00:37:51,318 movies, you'll probably like it even more. You know, I will give it a second 632 00:37:51,374 --> 00:37:54,678 chance and you know, give all Mikey Michael Bailey 633 00:37:54,694 --> 00:37:58,070 Smith and Nils Alan Stewart their, their day in court once 634 00:37:58,110 --> 00:38:01,798 again. Yeah, yeah. You know, 635 00:38:01,854 --> 00:38:05,142 but you know, with all the horniness and Supernova, this probably had really had one 636 00:38:05,166 --> 00:38:08,390 horny part in it. The part where you know, they offer the, 637 00:38:08,510 --> 00:38:12,374 the effeminate prisoner took ving rhames. I guess I 638 00:38:12,382 --> 00:38:15,228 forgot about that. But I digress. 639 00:38:15,374 --> 00:38:18,992 No, this is fine. This is, this is very more than serviceable 640 00:38:19,136 --> 00:38:22,704 as far as like you're in it for, for the character actors 641 00:38:22,832 --> 00:38:26,240 in, in my opinion. And you know that they're working, they're all 642 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,952 working their ass off of this movie. Even the small ones like 643 00:38:29,976 --> 00:38:33,376 you mentioned, Neil's, Allen Stewart and Michael Bailey Smith, 644 00:38:33,488 --> 00:38:36,480 they're all playing, they're all playing the role in the movie. 645 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,792 And I could say that about everybody in the cast that 646 00:38:39,816 --> 00:38:43,336 they're all playing that role in the movie. And yeah, nobody disappoints 647 00:38:43,368 --> 00:38:46,840 from an acting standpoint. Nope. But yeah, the, the, the, 648 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,632 the, the fact that, and I get there a time, I, I keep going 649 00:38:50,656 --> 00:38:54,136 back to this, the hip hop soundtrack. They're, they're all in this movie 650 00:38:54,168 --> 00:38:57,880 too as like whatever quartet was singing in the 651 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,340 ring. Yeah. Kind of Hypman or whatever for the crowd. 652 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,240 Master P and his no Limit soldiers are in this movie. And I 653 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,208 just, I, I, it, it doesn't fit the movie. 654 00:39:08,344 --> 00:39:11,312 Not that I'm dumping on hip hop, it just doesn't fit in the movie. 655 00:39:11,376 --> 00:39:15,216 And this movie could have used a run in from the West. West Texas 656 00:39:15,248 --> 00:39:18,380 rednecks so you can wrap his crap. Oh, man. 657 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,304 You know what? Does actually work somewhat in this movie, and I wouldn't have 658 00:39:22,312 --> 00:39:26,000 thought it when I looked at the cast. Ed Lover is great 659 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,672 in it. Like, the. The line he has about, like, if. I don't know, 660 00:39:28,696 --> 00:39:31,904 there was this much action of boxing in prison, I'd have committed crimes a 661 00:39:31,912 --> 00:39:35,488 long time ago. You know, that's just 662 00:39:35,544 --> 00:39:39,410 great. You know, but him and Ed love him. And, you know, the other 663 00:39:39,450 --> 00:39:42,898 Dr. Dre, you know that they brought rap music 664 00:39:42,954 --> 00:39:46,946 to two white kids all over America on YOMTV 665 00:39:46,978 --> 00:39:50,386 Rap, so. And they sold it very well. And he sells his. 666 00:39:50,458 --> 00:39:54,430 His role in this film, you know, it's kind of like. It's kind of like 667 00:39:54,890 --> 00:39:58,962 the weather should not be named the Rollerball Redux. 668 00:39:59,106 --> 00:40:02,358 Oh, God. You put Paul Haven in that film. 669 00:40:02,554 --> 00:40:05,838 It works with the. With Paul Heyman's on. Besides that, it's kind of. 670 00:40:05,894 --> 00:40:09,502 Kind of hot garbage. But you know what? Paul's trying real hard to 671 00:40:09,526 --> 00:40:13,210 make it something. Yeah, he's got a real. 672 00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:17,758 The more modern equivalent. I would probably sit on it. He's got a real, 673 00:40:17,814 --> 00:40:20,894 like, Tracy Morgan vibe to him. 674 00:40:20,982 --> 00:40:24,094 Kind of like. Yeah, I could. I could. Like, if they remade this movie, 675 00:40:24,142 --> 00:40:27,490 I'd put Tracy Morgan in that role. Oh, that'd be perfect. 676 00:40:28,590 --> 00:40:31,414 Oh, gosh. But, yeah, this is. This is very decent. 677 00:40:31,462 --> 00:40:35,366 I. I recommend. And unfortunately, it's. It's. It's owned 678 00:40:35,398 --> 00:40:39,190 by the mouse. And, you know, stuff that's owned by the mouse, stuff like this, 679 00:40:39,230 --> 00:40:42,982 they don't make really readily available. Although, you know, I. I have a whole 680 00:40:43,006 --> 00:40:46,710 argument about Disney plus and Hulu and the. They just 681 00:40:46,750 --> 00:40:49,942 don't put on there. You know, this is one of those things they 682 00:40:49,966 --> 00:40:53,766 can stream that people would watch. Like, you know, people to always 683 00:40:53,838 --> 00:40:57,182 say, oh, we just watched ripd on netflix, 684 00:40:57,246 --> 00:41:00,446 and it's like. It's like a top 20 movie on netflix. 685 00:41:00,558 --> 00:41:03,278 Like. Well, I saw when it came out and I enjoyed it then, so I'm 686 00:41:03,294 --> 00:41:07,150 just gonna throw it out there, you know. Yeah, they could put this on some 687 00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:10,958 streaming service and I think it'd be a hot movie. 688 00:41:11,134 --> 00:41:14,798 It would get some streams. You know, it's better 689 00:41:14,854 --> 00:41:18,606 than most of the. You see just get flung in Netflix 690 00:41:18,638 --> 00:41:21,692 these days. Honestly. Like, it's. Oh, yeah, 691 00:41:21,846 --> 00:41:25,664 yeah. And I mean, this, like, this was made for like 15 692 00:41:25,752 --> 00:41:29,616 to 20 million dollars, something like that. Like the. I assume the 693 00:41:29,688 --> 00:41:32,896 20 million is like 8 with added advertising budget 694 00:41:32,928 --> 00:41:36,896 or whatever. And like the box office was 15 million 695 00:41:37,048 --> 00:41:40,800 but apparently Miramax Films also bought it for like 4.5 696 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,700 million as well for distribution rights. So, like, I think everyone, 697 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,800 although this didn't make money, quote unquote, I think everyone basically got 698 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,804 paid at the very least. So, you know. Yeah, 699 00:41:51,852 --> 00:41:55,292 well, that's it. The check didn't bounce. No bounce, 700 00:41:55,356 --> 00:41:59,148 man. It did not bounce. But that's 701 00:41:59,164 --> 00:42:03,084 the end of this one. The next thing you should hear on this segment of 702 00:42:03,092 --> 00:42:06,956 the podcast, the main feed, we were discussing the Deadwood 703 00:42:06,988 --> 00:42:10,204 pilot, the HBO TV show. Walt Walter Hill 704 00:42:10,252 --> 00:42:13,420 directed the very first episode. So I forget if 705 00:42:13,460 --> 00:42:17,164 he's on the first episode, so you might get us talking more Dayton Cali in 706 00:42:17,172 --> 00:42:20,550 the next episode. I'd look this up 707 00:42:20,590 --> 00:42:23,270 to see if he's on there, but he did. I think he is. I think 708 00:42:23,310 --> 00:42:26,038 he isn't. Peter Jason definitely is here. 709 00:42:26,094 --> 00:42:29,250 Jason for sure. You know, good. Good old. 710 00:42:31,230 --> 00:42:34,570 Why is my mind a blank right now on this? He's Carradine, 711 00:42:35,630 --> 00:42:39,110 the one that calls a. Breakcock sucker on that show. Oh, yeah. 712 00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:42,806 Oh, Ian McShane. Yes. Why isn't my to a Blake 713 00:42:42,838 --> 00:42:46,586 right now? Swear engine or is 714 00:42:46,658 --> 00:42:49,754 the one character kept calling them swedging switching. 715 00:42:49,882 --> 00:42:53,290 Excellent TV. Walter directed the first episode. So we're going to discuss 716 00:42:53,330 --> 00:42:57,514 it on this episode of this. But over on the Patreon as Lee's 717 00:42:57,562 --> 00:43:01,690 choice and it's a good choice. I will. Spoilers ahead. Right now, 718 00:43:01,810 --> 00:43:05,402 the Empire Pictures tale of man versus monster 719 00:43:05,466 --> 00:43:09,098 and a fight you to death. Gonna talk about arena from 85. 720 00:43:09,154 --> 00:43:12,702 I think it is. 89. 89. Oh, wow. Oh my 721 00:43:12,726 --> 00:43:15,598 gosh. Way to make 1989 look like 1985, 722 00:43:15,654 --> 00:43:17,330 right? Exactly. 723 00:43:20,070 --> 00:43:23,390 But yeah, that's the end of this one. And we'll see you all next time 724 00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:27,038 on the last call of Torchies. Bye bye now. Bye bye. 725 00:43:27,134 --> 00:43:27,750 Bottoms up.