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Don't cram plenty people on Zoom fluorescent lighted office all day long.

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You know, you probably are going to work from home.

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Hello and welcome to No Office, a podcast about work technology and life from a remote

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company perspective.

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My name is Rafal Sobolewski and as always, I'm joined by CEO of our No Office company,

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Nozomi, Michael Sliwinski.

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Hello, Michael.

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How are you today?

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I'm good, good.

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- Good, good.

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Summer vibes, good weather, June and all that stuff

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is a little bit impacting my work

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because it's just so beautiful out there.

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But on the other hand, it also helps me

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when I get into the groove of deep work,

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it just helps me to stay there

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and just enjoy taking my iPad on a balcony

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or somewhere else just to write there,

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to have a nicer writing environment

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and thinking environment.

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- Yeah, yeah, I can relate to this

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because currently I'm at the lake house.

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- At the lake house.

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- At the lake house, yes.

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At the lake house and yeah,

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I'm enjoying like the long evenings that it's like,

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the sun is setting around 10 o'clock even.

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- Wow.

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- So the days are really long

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and we spend those long evenings at the lake fishing,

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enjoying the nature and yeah, that's really relaxing.

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And during the day, I just walk

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because I can thanks to know of his lifestyle.

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- I mean, come on Rafał, please explain yourself.

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Please explain to everyone how many hoops

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you had to jump through to get a permission

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from your boss to go to a lake house and to--

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- Oh, my boss doesn't know.

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- He doesn't know, like how can you do that?

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Like you are cheating on your boss right now.

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- No, no, he just doesn't care.

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- Exactly.

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- As long as tasks are done.

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Exactly. But, you know, recently I just got the feedback from on one of my columns in

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a magazine about how I'm criticizing Apple. We'll talk about Apple later in the show,

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but how I'm criticizing Apple for their, you know, forcing people to go back to the office

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and how nobody should complain about it. And I'm like, really, really, this is the angle.

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Nobody should complain about it. Like, you know, we have been called many names as Nozbe.

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we have been called a very strange company, different company, you know, not a normal

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company, because, you know, in normal companies, people go to the office and normal companies,

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people work nine to five. But in Nozbe is not a normal company. So as a not normal company,

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we let you choose when and where you work from, you know, like, you don't, you didn't

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have to apply for a permission to go to your parents' lake house. You didn't have to apply

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for a permission to work flexibly. And even when we had our individual meeting, you dared

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to, instead of sitting by the desk, just walk around. And I actually did the same thing.

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Exactly. So we were on a walk together in two different parts of the world while having

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an individual conversation, which was actually a business talk, right?

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Yeah, that's true and I really enjoy this because walking is a very nice exercise and you just receive more oxygen to your brain

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and you have better ideas, better understanding and better connection with the person on the other side.

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Thanks to this, I'm starting to consider that I should have all the meetings this way

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because I'm not tempted to check Twitter or something during the meeting when something

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is like, for example, I have some meetings during the week and often you say the same

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stuff on marketing begin, which I already heard on directors meeting. You tell the same

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story. Yeah. So at that time I've often find myself browsing Twitter or something because

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Because I already knew the story.

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And walking outside would prevent it.

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I would like to defend myself that I'm not that boring.

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But because apart from you, there is a completely different audience on the marketing meeting

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and the directors meeting.

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Yes, yes, I know.

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And you are the only overlap.

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I do tend to repeat some stories because some stories are important for our marketing.

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And we have discussed them more deeply usually on Monday and then on Tuesday when I refer

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to them, you know, for you, it might be a bit boring. That's true.

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Yeah. Plus, it's often stories like from your private life. So and we, as we don't have an

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office like it's it's the only opportunity we can share them with with our colleagues. So I don't

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don't hesitate that we spent like 15 or 10 minutes at the beginning of the meeting to share those

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stories. I mean, anyway, our regular meetings like the directors meeting and marketing meeting

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are usually for just having a coffee together and discussing some things. And we tend to discuss,

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you know, I would say 50/50, like 50/50 personal stuff and business stuff, because the rest is in

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tasks anyway. So, Rafał, not only did I allow you, without actually asking for permission,

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to work from anywhere you want, I also allowed you, without asking for permission, to go to a

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to a conference, to a physical conference where people go to, right?

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in central Europe, I guess. And it was awesome experience. I really miss that because on

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the last conference I was in Hamburg in 2019. So it's three years ago and I was worried,

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How am I going to react? Will I have an energy to meet new people, to talk to strangers, etc.

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But maybe it was a problem for first 30 minutes or so. And then just I needed to take notes

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for all the people I met because I couldn't remember all the names, etc. So yeah, I had

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I had a really great experience and wanted to share some thoughts on it because I finally

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started using my LinkedIn account again because apparently most people during these conferences

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like using LinkedIn to connect with each other.

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Yeah, I mean, they don't use business cards anymore, right?

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Like the idea of a business card is completely gone.

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There was no one with business cards.

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of people are connected with LinkedIn and some of them on Instagram. And the pro tip

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is to have this LinkedIn here, this feature that you can scan QR code of your profile.

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So it's nice to have it ready when you talk to someone.

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How do you mean? What kind of QR code?

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QR code to connect with in the LinkedIn app. You can, instead of searching with your name

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and surname which often is difficult because many people in Poland have this very common

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names and surnames.

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Yeah, I should know.

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So yeah, you just show the QR code of your profile and others scan it with their smartphone

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and they already have the button to connect.

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So all right.

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That's cool.

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Can you make it also a wallet thingy?

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I mean, I don't know.

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I haven't optimized it.

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Oh, I'll try it.

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I'll try it.

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Okay, so that's the new business cards.

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Like you connect via LinkedIn.

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And this has been also my experience

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on the last places I met people physically

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in normal space that you would actually

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exchange LinkedIn contacts and not anything else.

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And which I find very cool that this is really ecological.

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You don't need to print business cards

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which I have still a pile of business cards

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which are with our old logos and everything.

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So they're completely useless for me right now.

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So yeah, not a good idea, not a good use of paper and money.

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So, all right.

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So you went to a, you know, physical conference

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and before we start, I would like to give shout out

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to Maciej Seganowski, the organizer of ProductCamp

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and he's a dear friend,

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but you went there just as a normal, you know, attendee.

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So, tell me, how was the experience?

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'Cause before you were a speaker as well,

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but on individual version.

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- I signed up for 2020 edition, so two years ago

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And then pandemic started and yeah, they canceled it.

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And like, they just actually moved it to online.

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And I even became a speaker at this back home thing they have.

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I will talk about it later.

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And I was an online speaker, but you know,

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online they did what they could, but really like,

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I haven't met anyone during this conference online.

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I just watched some keynotes and that's it.

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And here, like I met plenty of people.

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I did some live demos of Nozbe, which was very cool,

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and I really enjoy it.

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And most of people were Polish,

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but I had some opportunities to talk with

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to Ukrainian people in English.

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And I think that this podcast made a good job

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because I didn't feel overwhelmed by talking English.

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- Oh, that's good.

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- Like I had, and I had experience of being overwhelmed

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talking English in three years ago in Hamburg.

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What was really nice and I enjoyed showing Nozbe to people because like 50% of people

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around that I talked to actually knew Nozbe, but knew Nozbe as a personal to-do app for

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getting things done, not as a team collaboration app.

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So we have to do a better job here.

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Of course we have.

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I mean, you know, we've made this kind of pivot silently that we are right now foremost

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to the team collaboration app, but also a personal to-do app.

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So we are both, but with the team communication,

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team collaboration as the main thing.

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And after so many years of being the personal to-do app

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or a GTD app even, it takes a while

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to change people's perspective and people's attention.

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So great that you started on this road.

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- Another project is to have, for example,

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I had this t-shirt with a Ukrainian flag and FCK PTN.

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- Yeah, so that was a great conversation starter

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with many Ukrainian people started talking to me

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because of that.

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So that was nice.

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Yeah, I had a Nozbe hoodie.

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That was also like two or three times conversation starter

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and our backpack because there were two other people

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that having the same backpack, of course,

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without our Nozbe logo, but the same exact model.

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So yeah, that was nice as well to have the same accessory.

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Yeah, it is very popular.

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I mean, this is actually a good pro tip that when you go to a conference, physical conference, it's good to stand out.

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You don't have to color your hair in a different color like you can, but you don't have to.

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But what you can do is, you know, shirts.

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For example, I had this shirt for a conference, like I had it done also for other people that have my name Michael and number one.

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And also, so it was also a good conversation starter because people, people could see it

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says Michael. So they assumed that my name is Michael. So they already knew my name,

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you know, so it's, it's also a good, a good tip. And, and here, like, you know, your t-shirt

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related to the war in Ukraine is, is a great idea because it also stands out and people love this

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shirt and they, you know, I've, I've been asked several times on Twitter, where can they get the

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the shirt. Yeah, that's true. And because now that all the tickets are digital, and

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we didn't even get some badges with our names. So, yeah, we only got this braces on our wrist

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to prove that we are attendees. And so it was hard sometimes when you are in the group

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and yeah, you just meet people and hi, hi, I'm Rafal, I'm like John, Fedelico, et cetera.

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And you cannot remember all the names in this.

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- But then that's why the QR code with LinkedIn is better

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because you don't, okay, so let's connect with LinkedIn.

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Okay, but what was your name?

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You don't have to do this.

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You just show the QR code.

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- There you go, Rafal.

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There is an idea for a shirt for our next reunion.

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We have to get people's QR codes on LinkedIn

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and put them on the individual shirts.

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So people have, "Hi, my name is Michael."

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QR code from Leighton and then you know people can scan your chest like this.

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Yeah or even with their seat back.

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That would be even even even better but but I think and I'm not I'm not sure how how well

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the the you know the the print would have to be on the shirts for the QR codes to function.

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Yes yes that's that's the good point.

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We could try it out though.

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Yeah so let's go to the product complex here with a bigger team and.

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- Let's see.

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Yeah, I mean, I kind of promised Maciek

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that I will participate soon in the product camp.

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So maybe next year would be a good year

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that I could plan it ahead and really go there

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because I was at product camp many years ago

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and I really enjoyed the conference.

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So yeah, it would be good to go.

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- Yeah, me too.

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Like I think I enjoy it more than Hamburg one

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that was from Mind the Product,

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which is because this product camp is historically,

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it's the conference more for product designers,

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not for product managers, but now it's mixed.

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And I found more tips, more knowledge, more experience,

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more ideas related to my work here

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than three years ago in Hamburg.

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So that was really cool.

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And yeah, the structure of the conference was that

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And bar camp presentation, you could just choose the free slot because there were like

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five different rooms and time slots so you can give a presentation there.

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So it's a very nice, it has its advantages and disadvantages because it's a nice, it's

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the conference.

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So the quality of those talks are very different, but still people can practice it.

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But the keynote, opening keynote, closing keynote for the day are well, very inspiring.

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Funny thing, which I noticed that all the keynote speakers had MacBooks and most of

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back home speakers had Windows laptops.

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And so I haven't seen any bad quality talk

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from the person who had MacBook.

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So that's funny.

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- So it means that to become a keynote speaker,

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you need to qualify and get a laptop from Apple.

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- Yes.

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That's true.

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So anyway, yeah, the keynote speakers were like designer

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strategy and operation manager from IKEA

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and strategic designer consultant.

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And yeah, the keynotes were very cool.

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I had plenty of notes and inspiration for there.

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I have like 10 books recommendation to read.

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And it was very cool that after the keynote,

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I was able to talk to two keynote speakers

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and actually have a dinner with one after the conference.

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So really we exchanged many ideas,

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not only about product management,

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also about some politics, et cetera.

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So that was very interesting and refreshing to really meet so many people in the short time.

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And I really worried that I will feel exhausted after all.

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But after the two days of conference, I went to the evening walk to the sea in Gdynia.

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Yeah, and I just wanted to talk to more people and ask them where they came from.

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Hi, I'm Rafa. Where do you come from?

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Yeah. So, yeah, the conclusion is here,

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but maybe I'm not an introvert anymore.

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Oh, no, no, no.

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You never were.

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So I don't know where you got this idea from.

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I think you and I, we are this kind of extroverts

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who love people and love hanging out with people,

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but we also cherish our alone time to work.

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So I think we can alter between these two realities.

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For example, now I had lots of people from the family

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here over because of my daughter's communion and I was still working. And I remember how annoyed I

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was when, you know, when people would interrupt me when I was working in the middle of something. So

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I do appreciate having my confinement, my deep work session with no interruptions. I do love it,

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but I also love hanging out with people. So I think this is who we are. Like, we are more

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extroverts than introverts, but we still have this kind of, you know, and I think it's more

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because we work from home. So we learned these habits of being able to shut everything down and

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just focus on the task and enjoy the silence around us. But then we do feed off people's energy.

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>> Yeah, that's true. I can totally tell that. That's my case as well. All right, so moving on.

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I had a really nice experience with my tech setup for this conference because I used like,

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I had my MacBook with me to India, but I haven't taken it with me to the conference itself.

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I just used my iPhone to connecting with LinkedIn and iPad for taking notes,

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which worked awesome because it's very convenient, iPad mini.

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So you can you can hold it in one hand and note with the pencil another and pro tip just switch to the camera on iPad and take photos of the slides of presentation.

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On the slides, you can take notes also.

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So that was very useful.

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Like I totally recommend iPad mini as a as a conference conference device.

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Plus it worked very well.

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when I was traveling to the train as my hotspot for my MacBook.

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Like I traveled for five and a half hours in train and I was working almost the whole time

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and was connected to this hotspot. It took like 50% of battery of iPad. So it's good, good enough.

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The iPad, I mean, any iPad, it's superior to any MacBook because it has the LTE connection.

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Sorry, man, but it's still true. So and, and the cool thing is that if you use it as a hotspot,

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but and turn off the screen, the iPad can last many, many hours as a hotspot. So that's why

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even when it's searching for the you know, several connection all the time, especially when you're

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in a moving train, especially in the tray when you when when you are moving, like, I took my iPhone

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and put it on airplane mode because like, yeah, it's always on the long trip on train or etc.

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It always takes too many juice from your iPhone. So yeah, the pro tip is to like put it in airplane

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mode because if I have my MacBook connected via hotspot on the iPad, I still have connection so I

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still can receive and send iMessage, signal messages, Slack messages or Tusky, Nozbe.

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that's fine for connectivity.

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Yeah, completely. Still, again, iPad.

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Much superior. Internet built-in.

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And plus, iPad with magic keyboard takes much less space than MacBook in the train.

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So yeah, so for the train, I would say iPad is superior.

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For travel, yeah.

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All right. Any more tips for us?

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Yeah, like I really enjoyed because that was a travel with no hashtag, no car travel.

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So it started that I pack myself backpack only.

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Of course, I just supposed to write to our Nozbe backpack.

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I took a walk to the city bike station, took a bike there and like road two kilometers to

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tram stop then I took a tram to the main railway station then I took a train and I didn't reach

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Gdynia with a train just I stopped in Gdansk to meet Ola our colleague from work. I actually met

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her husband and her dog Pedro. Pedro is the cutest dog ever. Pedro is our actually you know

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Nozbe puppet. I mean, whenever there is a meme, there's a Pedro.

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Yes. Pedro is the cutest one. And yeah, we ate a nice, nice, nice lunch in Gdansk. And then I

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took a quick city ride, which is in Gdansk and so forth, this Tri-City area. And I really like this,

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I really like this, this quick, quick, quick ride that you have in Tri-City. And funny thing is that

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There are still a lot of old trains there, like renovated.

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This EN57 train, which is actually the oldest train still being used in the world, I think,

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at this scale. And this class have had the longest production period in the world for electric

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multiple units, actually.

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All right.

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Yeah. And they were made in Wroclaw. And my grandfather worked in the factory there.

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Nice.

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I really enjoyed it. So this speedy railway train between the cities was my main way of transport

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when I was in high school and then when I was in the college. So that was the... I was using it

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every day. I was... Yeah, like many people use it because it's the most effective way of

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transportation. Yeah, I mean, you could basically, you know, be on the north part of three cities

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and go to the south-west city, the center in 50 minutes, which by car you would never do.

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I mean only without any traffic maybe and by breaking every speed limit.

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So it was really fast and that with stopping on many stops. So it's very efficient, very fast and

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yeah, I used to really enjoy it and this is how I also met one of my best friends because we were

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on the same train every day, going to the same university.

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So we became best buddies because we met on this train.

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So I have really good fond memories.

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Also, as you said, you know, carless transport.

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I was also beating my records from home

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to the train station.

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Like, 'cause normally it would be like seven minutes

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to get to the train station.

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But of course, every morning I would leave very late.

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So my record was below two minutes to get the train.

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Yeah, so because, you know, if you would miss the train,

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you would have to wait 12 minutes for the next one.

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So that's what, that was really,

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so you didn't want to have this penalty.

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- Yeah, 12 minutes is not that bad, actually.

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- No, but then you're late for class.

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Like if you're going to school, like 12 minutes,

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it makes or breaks your, you know.

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- I would never take the last possible train.

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I always want to have a buffer, but that's just me.

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Yeah, I mean, you know, I was waking up in the morning and I was trying to extend my sleep as much as I could.

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So now I would take the last possible train always, and I would leave like two minutes before it arrived at the station.

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That's why I was always running, but I would always get it.

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Maybe once or twice I missed it or something, but normally I wouldn't.

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That's good. You can work from home.

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Let's wrap up this topic.

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The last thing I wanted to mention is Gdynia, this city.

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- My hometown.

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- Your hometown, actually.

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I think that's the only town in Poland

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that I can imagine me living in,

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besides Blosław, of course, that I currently live in.

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Yeah, this is really a nice city.

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Like it was built like 100 years ago.

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So it's pretty new.

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It was built during modernism.

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So the urban urban structure of the city is really nice and really the public spaces are

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really nice to walk and have many many many trees many green green areas and yeah the

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only downside is that it doesn't have trams but you have this quick light well light well

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trains so that's cool that's good enough and there were no city bikes yeah because they

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was there was some issue because we had city bikes. There was some issue with the company

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whatever and I'm sure they're coming back. I don't know when. Yeah they are coming back next year.

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Oh you see next year the the contract is already signed and yeah the next one. Oh good. But it was

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like so good because it was the I think on Friday it was international day of biking and I didn't

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have a bike to ride. I couldn't set up. Yeah, that's true. That's true. No, I couldn't agree

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more. I love Gdynia. This is my hometown. This is where I was born. And I still I don't live there

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anymore. But I do have an apartment there with my family. And we are actually going to Gdynia for

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for July and August with my family. So and we try to do it actually every every year to spend

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at least two, three months in Gdynia because we do like our hometown and we do like being back.

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Of course, we do like connecting with our family and our friends. So yeah, I like Gdynia because

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it's a smallish town of, you know, 300,000 more or less inhabitants and because it's next to the sea,

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so and next to the mountain, I mean, hills, let's say hills with woods. So it's, you know, you can

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enjoy woods walks in the woods you can enjoy walks on the cliff and you know see them you know

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the sea the sea and it's and as and as you said it's a modern-ish town with which is not too big

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as well yet if you need something bigger there is times very close and you can go and and have a you

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know bigger city life if you want to so yeah overall I do agree Gdynia is a beautiful town

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and I do recommend if you want to visit Poland, do visit Warsaw, Wroclaw and Kraków

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as the most important things to visit. But if you happen to want to go north,

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I would recommend seeing Gdynia in Gdansk.

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Yep, that's totally true. And last thing, Gdynia has the best city app in Poland.

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Oh, really?

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I mean, city app for citizens, because there is one app and you can do like everything related to

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to the city there. Actually, the guy who created this app had a backup talk during the conference.

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Yeah, and I was amazed.

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I don't have that app.

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Yeah, you need to install it because it's one app and you have everything there. Because,

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for example, in Wozław, I have five many different apps for many things that are city-related.

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And here you have everything in one app and it's really convenient.

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You can find parking spaces there, train schedules, all the events, cultural events, school things,

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et cetera.

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There's plenty of them.

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And I really enjoyed the talk of the guy from Gdynia.

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And yeah, we talked actually after his talk about for 30 minutes about the quality life

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in cities.

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Yeah, that was really nice.

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Okay, so we'll link in the show notes to this app.

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So this way we will promote even more that people visit Ktea.

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All right, so let's take a break here.

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So our Nausby podcast is sponsored by our own app, Nausby, which is a task-based communication

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tool that you can use by yourself or together with your team to communicate effectively

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in asynchronous way, again, with your teammates or with yourself from the future.

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So let's hear what Nozbe customers say about the product.

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Once I started using Nozbe, that's when we started to really think beyond like a freelance

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mindset to more of a team mindset.

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And the beauty of it is that we can have a remote team.

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So we could hire people based on their credentials

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or based on relationships that we had

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and people that we knew would be really good

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and didn't have to hire based on location

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and somebody that's within a mile radius,

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something close to where we were.

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It also, Nozbe is very intuitive and easy

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for a team to use.

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So as we add new people,

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whether it's a contractor or an employee to the team,

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we can get them set up with Nozbe

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and within really an hour,

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they can see projects and tasks that are assigned to them

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and start working.

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So most of our team's really taking those pretty easily.

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So Michael, tell me, have you installed iPadOS Beta 16 already?

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Yes, but not on my main iPad yet.

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Because I am still testing it to testing how stable it is.

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So I managed to actually get back my old baby iPad.

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So the 9.7 inch iPad Pro, which my mom had

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and my mom was here, she's not using it anymore.

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So I took it back.

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- I think it's still supported

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because like I think it's the iPad from 2016,

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the spring 2016.

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- Yeah, it's still supported.

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All iPad Pros are supported.

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So even the baby iPad Pro is supported.

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And I think even the earlier, you know, 13 inch,

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the big beast that they announced earlier is even supported.

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So all iPad Pros are supported.

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And that's why I got iPad OS 16 on it.

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And it works pretty good,

464
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but of course it doesn't have all these features

465
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,780
that M1 iPad Pros have.

466
00:30:49,780 --> 00:30:51,600
So it doesn't have stage manager,

467
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,440
which is for me, this was most important thing to try.

468
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,540
So I will see, I wanna,

469
00:30:56,540 --> 00:31:00,940
my plan is to run two betas on this iPad,

470
00:31:00,940 --> 00:31:03,940
install the apps that I would normally use.

471
00:31:03,940 --> 00:31:07,420
and give them a try and see how they work.

472
00:31:07,420 --> 00:31:09,020
And if everything works correctly,

473
00:31:09,020 --> 00:31:11,860
I am going to pull the plug and install iPad OS 16

474
00:31:11,860 --> 00:31:12,940
on my main iPad.

475
00:31:12,940 --> 00:31:17,380
So I'm gonna be brave, but first I wanna, you know,

476
00:31:17,380 --> 00:31:20,180
be prudent for the first two or three weeks,

477
00:31:20,180 --> 00:31:21,380
but then I'm gonna go all the way

478
00:31:21,380 --> 00:31:23,020
if everything works correctly.

479
00:31:23,020 --> 00:31:26,660
So for example, right now I'm working on some cool shortcuts

480
00:31:26,660 --> 00:31:29,500
for Nozbe, some cool shortcuts for journaling,

481
00:31:29,500 --> 00:31:31,540
I mean, improved journaling shortcuts.

482
00:31:31,540 --> 00:31:38,500
So I want to try all of them on the iPad OS 16 and see how they perform and if there are some issues with the shortcuts and if they're short.

483
00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:44,620
Because for me last year was when shortcuts app was really broken on the betas.

484
00:31:44,620 --> 00:31:49,120
And I was annoyed because I depend on shortcuts a lot.

485
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,620
Yeah actually it was broken even publicly.

486
00:31:51,620 --> 00:31:53,100
Yes yes yes.

487
00:31:53,100 --> 00:31:54,700
Later it was still broken.

488
00:31:55,620 --> 00:31:59,840
- With each release, like dot release,

489
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,380
they really made a lot of fixes.

490
00:32:02,380 --> 00:32:05,600
- Yeah, but that's why I was burned by that.

491
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,380
And I really depend on my shortcuts.

492
00:32:07,380 --> 00:32:10,980
I use so many shortcuts all the time.

493
00:32:10,980 --> 00:32:14,340
For me, working on the iPad means using shortcuts a lot.

494
00:32:14,340 --> 00:32:16,620
That's why I have a few shortcuts to fix,

495
00:32:16,620 --> 00:32:20,100
a few shortcuts to tweak, and I wanna tweak them.

496
00:32:20,100 --> 00:32:22,000
And just one by one, I'm gonna be importing them

497
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,000
to the iPad OS 16 and trying them out.

498
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:31,300
again, trying the apps that I normally would use to see if they work with iPadOS 16.

499
00:32:31,300 --> 00:32:36,400
And if everything works, also try out Nozbe on iPadOS 16. I will install it today.

500
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:46,100
So I'm trying all that and I can't wait to actually give a more thorough try with the iPad.

501
00:32:46,100 --> 00:32:53,500
So I'm actually thinking of getting an external screen when I'm in my hometown

502
00:32:53,500 --> 00:32:56,500
to actually have one at home because I don't have one at home

503
00:32:56,500 --> 00:33:00,620
and to be able to test the external screen support with the iPad.

504
00:33:00,620 --> 00:33:06,980
So, yeah, there are things to try and I can't wait.

505
00:33:06,980 --> 00:33:10,900
I am very excited about the iPad OS 16 because of the multitasking

506
00:33:10,900 --> 00:33:13,180
and because of the windowing and all that stuff.

507
00:33:13,180 --> 00:33:18,860
And also because of many new small refinements that they announced on WWDC,

508
00:33:18,860 --> 00:33:21,740
many small refinements to files app, which I use a lot.

509
00:33:21,740 --> 00:33:27,500
And I'm hoping that the iPad OS 16 will be a very big upgrade for me.

510
00:33:27,500 --> 00:33:33,820
Yeah, it looks like this. And normally, even a while ago, I would have been very excited.

511
00:33:33,820 --> 00:33:43,180
Now I have iPad mini and it doesn't have M1 processor, so it doesn't get this state manager,

512
00:33:43,180 --> 00:33:50,220
which is very controversial change. I like the direction they are going, but there are many

513
00:33:50,220 --> 00:33:55,180
details they need to figure out. Yeah, but that's really nice. And I really can't wait even to test

514
00:33:55,180 --> 00:34:02,460
it on MacBook because the stage manager is also available on Mac OS. And I often, there are

515
00:34:02,460 --> 00:34:10,140
situations that I found myself that I can't find the one window. And it's hidden below other

516
00:34:10,140 --> 00:34:17,740
windows. And yeah, and stage manager apparently resolves that problem, but yeah, it may create

517
00:34:17,740 --> 00:34:21,340
other ones so of course we'll see how it works in practice

518
00:34:21,340 --> 00:34:25,340
but yeah i'm excited that they are exploring this this new path and

519
00:34:25,340 --> 00:34:31,580
that it it can work on both mac and ipad yeah i mean you know in my case

520
00:34:31,580 --> 00:34:35,340
i'm using right now um the the m1 macbook air

521
00:34:35,340 --> 00:34:38,700
um to to hooked up to the external screen

522
00:34:38,700 --> 00:34:42,780
but this might change in the future where i just you know hook up

523
00:34:42,780 --> 00:34:46,380
my ipad to the external screen and just use that

524
00:34:46,380 --> 00:34:51,180
So, and then use the MacBook as just a MacBook, you know, a computer that downloads things and just.

525
00:34:51,180 --> 00:34:56,220
- Yeah, you know what would be good to have two external screens, one connected to MacBook,

526
00:34:56,220 --> 00:35:02,540
second to iPad, and then use universal control to control both of them with one set of keyboard

527
00:35:02,540 --> 00:35:08,540
and mouse. - Yeah, yeah, this could be cool. And I'm actually considering getting the,

528
00:35:08,540 --> 00:35:12,300
'cause I have the logic keyboard, but I'm considering getting just the, you know,

529
00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:18,620
the Mac keyboard, the one with Touch ID, so that I have an external keyboard with Touch ID,

530
00:35:18,620 --> 00:35:25,740
which I can use through universal control on both the iPad and the MacBook. So we'll see.

531
00:35:25,740 --> 00:35:32,140
I have some ideas of what to do, but for me right now the most exciting thing is to be able to try

532
00:35:32,140 --> 00:35:40,300
iPadOS 16 on my main computer. So we'll see. And what are the, besides the stage manager,

533
00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:43,820
- Oh no, let's talk more about stage manual

534
00:35:43,820 --> 00:35:47,580
because like that's the one thing we finally know

535
00:35:47,580 --> 00:35:51,460
why they put M1 inside iPad Pro and iPad.

536
00:35:51,460 --> 00:35:55,740
- Yeah, I mean, this is also an answer for me.

537
00:35:55,740 --> 00:35:56,900
Why?

538
00:35:56,900 --> 00:35:58,660
'Cause I did something crazy last year.

539
00:35:58,660 --> 00:36:03,660
If you remember, I was considering getting the iPad Pro

540
00:36:03,660 --> 00:36:07,860
256 gigabytes with eight gigabytes of RAM

541
00:36:07,860 --> 00:36:12,900
or pay the money and get the one terabyte with 16 gigabytes of RAM.

542
00:36:12,900 --> 00:36:19,180
And I decided to pay the man and I bought the beefier iPad

543
00:36:19,180 --> 00:36:21,540
and I don't need the one terabyte of space.

544
00:36:21,540 --> 00:36:23,820
I have 256 gigabytes of space there.

545
00:36:23,820 --> 00:36:26,060
So I don't need really that much space.

546
00:36:26,060 --> 00:36:30,820
But I was thinking if I would need more RAM because I want to have more things in RAM

547
00:36:30,820 --> 00:36:34,820
and I'm using the iPad a lot and I was always frustrated when iOS would,

548
00:36:35,220 --> 00:36:39,900
you know, iPad OS would actively kill Windows I was using.

549
00:36:39,900 --> 00:36:43,740
And yeah, so I bought it basically for the future, right?

550
00:36:43,740 --> 00:36:48,300
And apparently now the iPad OS improvements

551
00:36:48,300 --> 00:36:52,180
are helping not only managing the Windows

552
00:36:52,180 --> 00:36:55,100
as in Stage Manager, but also managing the apps

553
00:36:55,100 --> 00:36:57,160
in such that they use virtual memory

554
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,080
and then they use the RAM more and they use more of the RAM.

555
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,620
So this way, it might be that on iPad OS 16,

556
00:37:03,620 --> 00:37:05,980
it might be, we'll see in the future,

557
00:37:05,980 --> 00:37:08,420
that I will have just a bit better experience using it

558
00:37:08,420 --> 00:37:10,660
because of my 16 gigabytes of RAM.

559
00:37:10,660 --> 00:37:12,780
- Yeah, yeah, that's true because now we have

560
00:37:12,780 --> 00:37:16,340
the stage manager plus external display support.

561
00:37:16,340 --> 00:37:20,060
You could have like eight apps open at the same time

562
00:37:20,060 --> 00:37:24,820
or even have some pair of apps to connect it together.

563
00:37:24,820 --> 00:37:27,900
So maybe even more, I'm not sure about it,

564
00:37:27,900 --> 00:37:32,360
but yeah, but still like RAM memory is needed to do this.

565
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:39,140
Plus you can, you have now the scaling mode, so you can actually change the resolution

566
00:37:39,140 --> 00:37:42,420
of your iPad to have more content.

567
00:37:42,420 --> 00:37:47,580
So the higher resolution that it will also consume some RAM memory.

568
00:37:47,580 --> 00:37:52,820
Yeah, but this is really nice because apparently you can upscale the resolution and in the

569
00:37:52,820 --> 00:37:58,360
stage manager mode, you can have the window that decides that original iPad full screen

570
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:06,360
app and still have a dock and the apps in stage windows in stage manager view on the side.

571
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:13,560
That's really nice. And yeah, like finally with this scaling mode, it really makes sense to connect

572
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:21,080
the iPad to external displays because before if you connected it only some apps like mind maps or

573
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,400
or keynote had this mode for external display support.

574
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,160
And now, and other one, it was just mirrored

575
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:30,660
on the big display.

576
00:38:30,660 --> 00:38:32,400
It was, everything was to be.

577
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,800
- I mean, for me, external screen for the iPad

578
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,400
was only useful when I was watching YouTube videos

579
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,800
because they would put the YouTube videos in full screen.

580
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,200
But other than that, it was, or any kind of videos.

581
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,100
So if I wanted to watch something on the iPad here

582
00:38:45,100 --> 00:38:46,600
I would just hook it up to the external screen

583
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:47,840
to just see it on the big screen.

584
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,240
but now it's a completely different ball game.

585
00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:53,280
And so I'm excited about it.

586
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:54,360
We'll see how this goes.

587
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,120
We'll see how this performs.

588
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,720
I will keep our listeners updated as I struggle

589
00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:02,580
with installing it on my iPad and everything.

590
00:39:02,580 --> 00:39:04,440
So yeah, we'll see.

591
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,280
For me, vacation time, I mean, July and August

592
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,120
will be also lots of vacation time.

593
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:11,680
So it will be also a good time

594
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:12,720
to experiment with these things.

595
00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:15,680
So I can just experiment with a bigger screen

596
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,360
and then, you know, like different font sizes,

597
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,020
you know, the new iPadOS.

598
00:39:20,020 --> 00:39:21,840
So we'll see how this goes.

599
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,420
- Okay, what else?

600
00:39:23,420 --> 00:39:27,400
Maybe let's go through some things we like the most

601
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,880
from new features very introduced.

602
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,120
- I mean, for me, another confirmation of the fact

603
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,720
that what we are doing, we are onto something.

604
00:39:35,720 --> 00:39:39,000
So as you know, as you said before the ad,

605
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,880
we are, you know, collaboration tool.

606
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,280
Nozbe is not just getting things done to do up.

607
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:46,480
It's a to-do app for teams.

608
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,560
It's to-do app to do things together.

609
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,360
And this is actually the main thing.

610
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,760
And we were trying to explain to people

611
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,440
that you are no longer alone.

612
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,440
You need to do things together with other people.

613
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,100
And instead of sending list of tasks back and forth,

614
00:40:03,100 --> 00:40:05,680
you should share a project, like basic thing, right?

615
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,200
Share the task, you know, like share things.

616
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,560
And I think it's the direction where iPadOS and macOS

617
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,940
and all the OSs that they presented are going

618
00:40:16,940 --> 00:40:18,320
is more collaboration.

619
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,060
More collaboration in similar way

620
00:40:20,060 --> 00:40:23,160
that you don't share a copy of your document.

621
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,320
You share a way to edit your document online.

622
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,580
So you collaborate.

623
00:40:28,580 --> 00:40:30,000
And I liked it.

624
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,800
I liked it, it confirmed that we are going

625
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:32,640
in the right direction.

626
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:37,640
It confirmed that at least if this becomes a norm for people

627
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,480
they will have it easier to understand what we are doing.

628
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,680
'cause right now people are still struggling to understand

629
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:45,760
that, you know, what do you mean?

630
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,220
I mean, I have my to-do list.

631
00:40:47,220 --> 00:40:49,060
I have my great app for to-dos

632
00:40:49,060 --> 00:40:51,600
and I don't wanna share it with anyone else.

633
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,040
You know, you have your to-do list

634
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,120
and maybe we'll talk about it later.

635
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,400
Instead of we are working on a to-do list together, right?

636
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:03,400
So I think for me, this direction that in the OS,

637
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,840
you share things more was exciting

638
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,280
and was just a confirmation.

639
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:14,360
And that finally you don't have to have a FaceTime call to start

640
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:18,400
collaboration. Exactly, exactly. You can just do it. You don't have to...

641
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,160
You can communicate via iMessage thread, so asynchronously. So just like...

642
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:27,840
Yes. Not just like in Nozbe, but asynchronous. So that's the good

643
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:33,360
direction I had it too. I really liked it too. And of course another feature that I

644
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:37,440
really liked and something personally dear to me, especially now that we are

645
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:42,640
starting the summer holidays here on the Northern Hemisphere. Finally, Apple

646
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:51,080
recognizes that a family actually needs a family photo place.

647
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:55,960
Before that, the wife would have a different camera

648
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,400
with different iCloud account, the husband would have different iCloud

649
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,280
account, then the kids would have different iCloud accounts.

650
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,920
And then they would share albums but they were not full resolution, they were

651
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:11,600
kind of cropped or whatever. So it was really clunky. And because of that, you

652
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,480
know, me and my wife, we are still using the same iCloud account on both of our

653
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:19,760
iPhones. So it's not an intended way to use it, but we use it anyway

654
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:25,080
because we just prefer to have access to all of our photos. We don't want to be

655
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:30,120
choosing who's taking pictures today and who's sending them and whatever. And

656
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:36,040
I'm really happy for this change because hopefully with iOS 16 I will then

657
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:40,600
configure my wife's iPhone and my iPhone with different iCloud accounts, and then

658
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:45,040
configure our family album. I mean, the family album.

659
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,540
- Library. - Photo. Exactly. Family shared library.

660
00:42:48,540 --> 00:42:53,760
And this would be awesome, because this is how families should work, and they also introduce some

661
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,760
automatic ways to put things in this library, and I think they're great.

662
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,520
And we'll see how much management it is, because I don't want to have too much

663
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,980
management, because what I appreciate now is I take the picture and I know my wife

664
00:43:03,980 --> 00:43:10,060
have access to this picture. That's it. And we'll see how this works, but I hope it works well.

665
00:43:10,060 --> 00:43:15,740
And this way we will have our shared library and we'll be able to contribute and we'll also be able

666
00:43:15,740 --> 00:43:21,660
to get contributions from our children. So we'll see how this works. But finally recognizing that

667
00:43:21,660 --> 00:43:27,980
families need a common place to put photos in full resolution is great.

668
00:43:27,980 --> 00:43:35,500
Yeah, that's I can't wait as well. Because like with Anya, we find ourselves many times in those

669
00:43:35,500 --> 00:43:43,020
situations when we talk to someone and okay, so talking about subtopics and that we have photos

670
00:43:43,020 --> 00:43:49,420
related to this and we just don't remember. Okay, you took this photo or I took this photo.

671
00:43:49,420 --> 00:43:50,940
Yeah, exactly.

672
00:43:50,940 --> 00:43:58,700
Yeah, so now if it's in the shirt library now that the problem is gone. So yeah, and speaking

673
00:43:58,700 --> 00:44:05,820
of photos, there are two other features that I really like, but it actually weren't mentioned

674
00:44:05,820 --> 00:44:12,860
in the keynote, but now Photos App can find duplicates in your photos actually, and not

675
00:44:12,860 --> 00:44:18,460
like delete the worst one, but merge them together and even make the photos better.

676
00:44:18,460 --> 00:44:19,580
Ah, very cool.

677
00:44:19,580 --> 00:44:19,740
Yeah.

678
00:44:19,740 --> 00:44:20,220
Very cool.

679
00:44:20,220 --> 00:44:22,020
So that's really nice.

680
00:44:22,020 --> 00:44:27,620
I mean, so many times we take like two, three photos of the same thing, and then it would be nice to have just one, but a very good one.

681
00:44:27,620 --> 00:44:37,120
If you edit some photos in the Photos app, you don't use any third party app because like the edits that are available in the Photos app are good enough for you.

682
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:42,120
Then you can now copy the edits from one photo and apply them to other photos.

683
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,220
So that's a really nice feature for me.

684
00:44:45,220 --> 00:44:48,300
to have like a template of things you use

685
00:44:48,300 --> 00:44:51,420
or you always use with certain types of photos.

686
00:44:51,420 --> 00:44:52,260
Yeah, cool.

687
00:44:52,260 --> 00:44:54,900
- Another features I like that, yeah,

688
00:44:54,900 --> 00:44:59,900
the new home app and this grouping of categories of devices.

689
00:44:59,900 --> 00:45:03,740
So they finally redesigned this app

690
00:45:03,740 --> 00:45:07,780
because it always took so many taps or swipes

691
00:45:07,780 --> 00:45:09,900
to find the device I want to switch.

692
00:45:09,900 --> 00:45:12,860
And now it should be easier.

693
00:45:12,860 --> 00:45:15,740
and this new lock screen on iPhone and customization

694
00:45:15,740 --> 00:45:17,500
and connection to focus modes,

695
00:45:17,500 --> 00:45:21,660
which maybe finally pushed me to finally embrace

696
00:45:21,660 --> 00:45:23,160
and configure my focus modes

697
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,540
because the barrier of those focus modes

698
00:45:25,540 --> 00:45:29,300
is too big for me and I don't want to spend

699
00:45:29,300 --> 00:45:31,220
the whole Friday on that.

700
00:45:31,220 --> 00:45:32,620
- Yeah, I might want to do that too.

701
00:45:32,620 --> 00:45:36,540
I mean, like finally have the focus modes defined

702
00:45:36,540 --> 00:45:38,620
and when they are defined,

703
00:45:38,620 --> 00:45:40,860
having a different lock screen is a good idea.

704
00:45:40,860 --> 00:45:43,140
So, and different lock screen with different widgets

705
00:45:43,140 --> 00:45:44,220
and everything is a good idea.

706
00:45:44,220 --> 00:45:45,840
So I'm happy about it.

707
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,660
What I'm not happy about is that,

708
00:45:47,660 --> 00:45:50,660
so it's good that iPhone is borrowing things

709
00:45:50,660 --> 00:45:54,140
from the widgets from the watch basically.

710
00:45:54,140 --> 00:45:55,980
So that's great, but I'm not happy

711
00:45:55,980 --> 00:45:58,800
that watch still didn't get the watch faces,

712
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,300
the custom, completely watch faces.

713
00:46:01,300 --> 00:46:03,540
You know, it's like Apple is still, you know,

714
00:46:03,540 --> 00:46:05,100
has a tight control over the watch

715
00:46:05,100 --> 00:46:06,300
and I think they should let it go.

716
00:46:06,300 --> 00:46:10,460
They should let the developers develop watch faces.

717
00:46:10,460 --> 00:46:12,780
this would completely, you know,

718
00:46:12,780 --> 00:46:16,980
I think this would catapult the whole watch community

719
00:46:16,980 --> 00:46:19,620
and environment because people would really,

720
00:46:19,620 --> 00:46:21,140
people have proven over and over

721
00:46:21,140 --> 00:46:22,480
that they need more customization.

722
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:23,820
That's why the lock screens right now.

723
00:46:23,820 --> 00:46:25,340
So people wanna customize.

724
00:46:25,340 --> 00:46:28,740
And now the possibilities of customizing the Apple Watch

725
00:46:28,740 --> 00:46:31,980
are already big, but with custom watch faces,

726
00:46:31,980 --> 00:46:33,420
that would be just awesome.

727
00:46:33,420 --> 00:46:35,100
And there is no wrong watch face.

728
00:46:35,100 --> 00:46:37,760
If somebody likes a queer Q watch face

729
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:42,080
or an unaligned watch face or whatever, why not?

730
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:43,680
If they want it, it's their wrist.

731
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,080
- Yeah, that's true.

732
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,200
Hopefully they will get there.

733
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:48,440
- Next year is watchOS 10.

734
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,520
So maybe in watchOS 10 they will do the change.

735
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:51,340
Here's hoping.

736
00:46:51,340 --> 00:46:52,200
- It's like a nice idea.

737
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,200
Okay, so now we speak things we didn't like.

738
00:46:55,200 --> 00:47:00,040
So there is no shortcuts automation for macOS still.

739
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,400
Like it seems like an obvious feature

740
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,680
to introduce to the new macOS Ventura,

741
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,360
but yeah, there is nothing.

742
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:12,980
So you still have to manually run shortcuts on Mac OS.

743
00:47:12,980 --> 00:47:14,880
Yeah, and speaking of Mac OS,

744
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,280
widgets on Mac OS are still useless.

745
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:18,120
- Yeah.

746
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,240
- No updates about this.

747
00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:22,200
I'm disappointed about this.

748
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,080
Yeah, and that's it from my list.

749
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,160
- Yeah, and the new Mac Book Air is very pretty.

750
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:28,080
- Oh yeah, yeah.

751
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,560
Mac Book Air is awesome.

752
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:34,420
The problem is that I hope that there will be more cores,

753
00:47:34,420 --> 00:47:35,320
like the iMac.

754
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:36,160
- Yeah.

755
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:41,860
can understand that MacBook R is a different scale than iMac because

756
00:47:41,860 --> 00:47:48,700
the number of units, the set of MacBook R is far higher than the iMac one.

757
00:47:48,700 --> 00:47:54,760
So maybe with all these problems with logistics in today's world

758
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,080
it would be hard to manage it.

759
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:02,600
Maybe. I mean, I don't know. They should have done more colors definitely.

760
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,000
And then they should have called it just the MacBook,

761
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,040
not the MacBook Air.

762
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,200
Like I would embrace a new name.

763
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:13,160
- I think MacBook Air has a better brand.

764
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,240
So just- - Maybe, yeah.

765
00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:16,440
Yeah, so that's it.

766
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,840
And for me, like these were the highlights of the WWDC.

767
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,720
And I also, so additional,

768
00:48:23,720 --> 00:48:26,840
so connected to your part of the show with Product Camp,

769
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:31,080
what Apple did there was it did a hybrid kind of conference.

770
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:40,680
So it did invite people over to attend for at least the first day, which was great.

771
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,960
People could still watch the same keynote as we did.

772
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,440
So no change there, but they could still see other people.

773
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,880
They could participate in some live events.

774
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,080
So I think it was great.

775
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:59,720
And I think maybe next year or I would be tempted to go again to try it out in real life form.

776
00:48:59,720 --> 00:49:04,720
if I would have a chance, but it's still a long travel

777
00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:06,360
and a long way to go.

778
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,720
But I think this hybrid mode of this conference

779
00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:11,760
makes total sense that people,

780
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,060
and that millions of developers can access everything

781
00:49:15,060 --> 00:49:18,880
right then and can have labs virtually and all that stuff.

782
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,160
I actually, next year, I'm planning to attend it more,

783
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,600
this conference, I'm planning to attend also in the labs.

784
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,360
I have quite a few questions to Apple,

785
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,640
so I would use the labs more.

786
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:33,680
And I would invite our developers also

787
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,720
to try to be more active in that sense.

788
00:49:37,720 --> 00:49:40,320
So I think going forward, this is a way to go,

789
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,880
to make WWDC a hybrid conference,

790
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,560
where some people go and then they have some kind

791
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:50,440
of live event and some kind of corresponding live events.

792
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,700
But on the other hand, the content and labs

793
00:49:53,700 --> 00:49:56,320
and all that stuff, the Apple engineers,

794
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,720
they are available for everyone,

795
00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:02,720
for everyone who has an Apple developer account.

796
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:04,800
So I think this is a better way to go

797
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,340
because limiting it to just five or 6,000 people,

798
00:50:08,340 --> 00:50:10,240
it seems a big number,

799
00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:12,000
but when you consider there are

800
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,460
34 million developers registered,

801
00:50:14,460 --> 00:50:16,640
it's just too elitist.

802
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,760
- Yeah, it's just a different type of conference

803
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,760
than ProductCamp, yeah, for this.

804
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:21,580
- Exactly.

805
00:50:21,580 --> 00:50:24,920
- ProductCamp, like it's very,

806
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,200
I don't see any sense or organizing it online.

807
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:34,520
But for WWDC, this kind of approach, I think it's an optimal solution.

808
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:35,520
Yeah, exactly.

809
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:36,520
Exactly.

810
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:37,780
Because that's the thing.

811
00:50:37,780 --> 00:50:42,880
Some conferences make sense to do them physically, but some conferences are just too big.

812
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,520
And then you have to do a hybrid thing.

813
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:51,040
So this way you can make the content and the people accessible to everyone and then they

814
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,400
don't have to travel around the world to be there.

815
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:55,400
All right.

816
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:56,760
I think we can wrap up this episode.

817
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:03,260
So thanks for listening guys and remember we released this episode on Fridays and Friday

818
00:51:03,260 --> 00:51:04,640
so make it Mighty Friday.

819
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:09,700
Do your weekly review, plan priorities for next week and learn something new to have

820
00:51:09,700 --> 00:51:10,980
a great weekend.

821
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All the links and show notes you can find on nooffice.fm/42.

822
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:17,860
So that's it for today.

823
00:51:17,860 --> 00:51:18,860
Say goodbye Michael.

824
00:51:18,860 --> 00:51:25,940
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825
00:51:25,940 --> 00:51:34,940
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826
00:51:34,940 --> 00:51:45,940
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