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Music coming to you from crash
studios in Music City, USA,

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Nashville. This is the rich
Redmond show. What's up, folks?

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It's that time.

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It's time for an exciting
episode of the rich Fredman

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Sure. We talk about all things
like music, motivation, success,

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and, of course, so much more
stuff. Always happy to be joined

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my by my co host, co producer,
longtime friend, Jim McCarthy.

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Jim McCarthy, voiceovers.com
What's up, Jim? How are you,

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sir, doing great. Hey, this,
this mic got all sorts of roomy.

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It got roomy all of a sudden. I

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think it's kind of like it
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at, oh, I

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just need to just stop yelling
into it maybe, oh, that's I'll

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work on it warmer right there.

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It's a continuous, I

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think it was picking up from
other mics, maybe, yeah, kind of

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sounds like

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we're getting some input from
our guest today, because he's

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not only a world class drummer,
but he's a fantastic engineer,

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hailing originally Fort Smith,
Arkansas, calling Nashville home

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since 2006 he's an ACM award
winning drummer of the year.

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He's played with folks like
Kenny Chesney, Reba McEntire,

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Luke Bryan, Jimmy Allen, Ronnie
Dunn, Keith, urban, Steven

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Tyler, Toby, Keith Maddie, and
just the list goes on and on.

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Our friend Evan Hutchings,
What's up, pal?

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What's going on?

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I'm sorry, man, I am so excited
to be in the room with you,

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because we were just like our
thumbs are sore from texting.

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Because you're such a busy guy,
it's like herding cats,

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literally. We

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got you here talk to my wife.

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You blow me away because the
fact that you know you make the

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hall every day to work on Music
Row. You got your own projects

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going on, and you're a family
man, yeah. So that's a lot. It's

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a lot going on. I

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appreciate you making making
time for us,

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absolutely. Man, I'm glad it
worked out. Yeah, I'm

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glad to be here. Thank you for
having me, of course.

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Now tell us, like, you know, we
could go back, we could start

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with what you're working on now,
we're there's so much stuff that

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we can talk about, but you moved
to Nashville in 2006 so we can

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start there, or you can, kind of
like, take us back. I know for a

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fact that so many drummers start
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and I think that was your
journey that,

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yeah, that's where it started
for me, two years old, so young

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a kid, I know. So the story
goes, my dad tells is that they

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were having worship band
practice. This This was actually

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in Hot Springs, Arkansas, and
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And or he had went to use the
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I don't know. And then I hopped
up on the kit, and they just

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thought he was there, you know,
they thought, Oh, the drummer's

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here. And they look back and
couldn't see anybody. And it was

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a little two year old me. And to
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wasn't that good.

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Do you remember who this guy
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was a great drummer. But anyway,
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to the drums. And during church
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at church, it was Sunday morning
service, Sunday night, Wednesday

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night, you know, so and I was
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go to the church, hang out, play
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cousins, they were always there.
So we formed bands together. The

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preacher, he was the pastor.
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pastor. Just retired, actually,
two weeks ago. Wow. 42 years.

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Congrats, a long time. Yeah,
amazing. That's

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a lot of pressure. Every Sunday,
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message, yeah. And

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he so he would preach at 9am
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radio show, TV show, Wednesday
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sermons, all different things.
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speaking reps in

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literally, yeah. And plus, you
were probably just like, raised

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to be like a very respectful
young man. Yeah,

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I knew how to pretend to be,

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but, uh, but yeah, so I would
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church, during the worship time,
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after church, he would show me
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Smith, who's the guy that really
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teaching me really cool stuff
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realize was way more advanced,
you know, like, Mozambique grew,

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oh yeah, like, Steve gad stuff,
picaro kind of stuff. And I was,

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like, literally, like, four or
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exposed to that kind of stuff.
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the church all afternoon in
between services, and just

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practice and practice and play
and play and play. Sunday night

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rolled around. Whenever I got
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band at church and stuff, and
so, yeah, it was just kind of

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non stop playing, which is great
for me, terrible for the people

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that worked at the church,

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but thankfully, they put up with
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and so, so your parents saw that
in you, and you didn't

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necessarily have to go and get
proper lessons right away,

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because you were just immersed
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Yeah, it was just all the time.
I got one drum lesson from. A

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lady in our hometown, and I
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Connect. You're too young, yeah,
I was too young, yeah, yeah. And

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I had my own kid at that time.
It was just always playing. I

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joined band, like, proper band
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also playing football, and that
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me. It wasn't something that I,
like, worked too hard at, you

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know? Yeah, so sports was, like,
really, where I was focused on,

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like, extra time and things like
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didn't want to march in my
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that's right. And when we were
playing, I was, like, kind of a

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cocky little kid, you know, and
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playing everything that we were
supposed to be learning. And,

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yeah, you know, the band
director didn't like that, and

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we just didn't really, we didn't
jive, you know. So what

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was the football your football
career did? Did you, did you get

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hurt? Or was it looking like,
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might do this. So we, I played
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enough, my senior year of high
school, I quit. But we, like,

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won state championship. We were
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football team in Arkansas, you
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great coaches, and that really
taught me how to show up and

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work really hard when you don't
want to, you know, just Yeah,

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before school, 5:30am in the
weight room, like that kind of

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stuff, yeah? So you just learn
how to grind. You learn how to

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work. Get over it, just like,
toughen up and show up, you

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know. And I feel like a lot of
that stuff still, I have a lot

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of those traits still today that
still connects with me today,

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which is cool, but yeah, so
senior year of high school, I

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joined a different band that I
was in Fast forwarding. There's

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a bunch of other bands in
between that, and we started

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touring the country. We would
book shows via MySpace. Back

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when MySpace was around, was
this the band? The exception,

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the exception, nice. So, yeah,
we just, we busted out an atlas

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and just said, Okay, I've got
family here, here and here.

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Let's book shows around that so
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Smart. So we went to Denver. We
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Chicago, Minneapolis, St Louis,
like, just kind of all around

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playing rock clubs, playing rock
clubs, yeah, like 1617, years

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old, with the dudes that you go
to the bathroom, and it was like

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a trough, yeah? And everybody
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You're like, hey, we weren't old
enough to be in the clubs we

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were playing. Yeah? I mean,
yeah. Which was great. It was

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great experience. Kind of learn
how to tour with people at a at

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an early age. Yeah, and yeah, we
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2006 that band did. And Mike
rinse, the bass player here in

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town, he was in that band. We
still do sessions together all

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the time. Beautiful. Yeah,
really cool.

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Maybe you guys were the only
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the aspirations or the skill set
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players. Yeah, there's

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another guy, Scott Hundley, was
also in that band. He's doing

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sessions mixing. He does a lot
of mixing, nice, fantastic

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mixer. These

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guys have a band house together.
We did, yeah, Eighth Avenue,

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eighth and Wedgewood, eighth and
Wedgwood by Zanies, right across

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the street from Zanies in the
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cleaner. Kind is, yeah, so

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if you were to turn, if you were
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on that side Douglas corner,
there's like a pocket of three

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houses right over there. We were
one of those houses. It was like

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900 bucks a month. Amazing.
We're a three bedroom, three

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bathroom, full basement where we
could practice. It was stupid

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cheap.

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Yeah, I remember all my bills
for like 500 bucks. Yeah, it was

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like, what I could spread. I can
spend that before breakfast.

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that's a lot, you know,

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on a pair of drumsticks at that.
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So yeah, I miss that old Douglas
corner. Douglas corner. So many

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great acts have been signed
there. So much great music has

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happened there. His 80s is a
magical place, too. I mean, any

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comic, who is, anyone has played

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that room, Yeah, huge. You know,
saw Mark Marin there, like, a

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couple years, Oh, yeah. Like
that, longer that. Just

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like, you know, the food is
good, the sweet potato fries,

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the veggie burger I'm overdue
for his Jim. Let's do it. We

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gotta. We're overdue for a
Zanies hit.

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We totally need to do it.

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I had an ex wife. She was a
psychic, and she still does

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Zanies, occasionally psychic,
not a sidekick. She the

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sidekick. The subway sidekick is
the footlong cookie, which does

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look good, but no, me and Billy
Hahn. Billy Hahn was Colby

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Calais percussionist, and now he
is Brett Young's touring

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drummer, awesome. And we had, we
had a little group called strike

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that where we would basically
play household objects or office

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supplies, and we would make
music. Oh,

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I thought it was, I'd hit that.
I thought that's what it was.

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hit that as a warts and all
podcast that you have done,

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yeah, with Dave, yeah. He has a
in he has a he has a a habit of

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setting up the interviews many
time in the most loud, busy

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places like restaurants, sirens
going by other people. Yeah,

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all. All the stuff. He's
awesome. It may it does make it

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charming. So anyways, so you
guys all come here and you're

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right there. Eighth Avenue.

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We're right up in the middle of
it, yeah, all up in it, yeah.

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And so I was going to MTSU at
the time, Lalo, right, yeah.

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With Lalo and Julie, you know,
teaching, yeah, you know, yeah,

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connections, right, yeah.

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And another teacher there, Tommy
G, Tom G and Pietro. His name,

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life changing teacher for me. He
was like, he was my guy that I

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really connected with and worked
with a bunch. Where's

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Tommy now? Because I used to run
into Tommy all the time on the

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tower records on West Avenue,
yeah. So he's teaching now at

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UMass and Amherst, okay, and
doing great things there with

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that program. Good for him. He's

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amazing. Yeah. We still talk,
like, at least once a week, say

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hey for me, please, I will,
yeah. I will, yeah. So I went

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in, like I was saying not a not
a lot of formal training for me,

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like, not a great reader, but a
great ear, great feel, and could

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just kind of play anything, but
just couldn't read that well,

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yeah, which you need to do when
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Shockingly, so I went as a music
production major and and then a

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music minor, and then after a
semester, switched that around

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and just kind of busted my tail
reading marimba for mallet

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stuff, Tiffany, like, all the
the classics, all the stuff,

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yeah, yeah. And then went from,
and then, you know, switch

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majors, which was kind of like a
jazz studies major with a

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minoring minor in recording
engineering, which is great. He

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played in a big band at the MTSU
band, yeah, like salsa band went

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from not being able to read to
just like could read anything

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nice, you know what? I mean,
yeah, just a lot of

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time that leveled out the your
skill sets now you now you had

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everything going for you,
practical stylistic knowledge,

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practical experience, playing in
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then you're in an academic
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okay, just need to get the
reading together. You

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did together? Busted it. Yeah,
it moved. I moved to

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Murfreesboro. I quit the band
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show at the end, you know, right
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Cash only, yeah, beer only. The
sound guy there, legendary,

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Legendary Cat, Bruce, Bruce,
yeah. S 10 truck, yeah,

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Bruce. I hope he's still around.
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think he might have passed away.
I know you know what, no Adam,

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he would know. He would know. He
would know. He would know. Yeah,

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we played one show and with some
great local bands, and I just

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thought to myself, we are not
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in our hometown. Yeah, classic
story, yeah. And so I thought to

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myself, You know what I'm gonna
I wanted to be a studio musician

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when I moved here. I just didn't
know what that looked like, or

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how you do that, or what that
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I decided, You know what, I'm
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a practice room for as long as I
can, and keep networking,

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hanging out with folks in
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hang on some sessions or
whatever, like, just do that

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whole thing. And then started
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left MTSU in 2008 the fall of
2008 was my last semester. Okay,

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yeah. Then started touring with
a guy named Griffin. How?

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Griffin house, then toured with
a girl named Katie HERZIG, yeah,

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and just a bunch of other
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started to work in some studio
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working with a producer, Nielsen
Hubbard, over in East Nashville,

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and, you know, just building up
those studio chops. And then it

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just kind of grew and grew and
grew right and took off. Yeah,

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yeah. Because, because you say,
I want to be a studio musician,

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but you don't know the pathway
to do it. So there had to be a

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couple of experiences. There was
like, Oh, this is, this is

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coming into focus. Yeah,

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I'm figuring this out. Yeah,
absolutely. There's

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a drummer will sales, who I met
while I was in high school. He

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was playing with a guy named
Derek Webb. And I was a fan of

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their music. They were kind of
Wilco ish, but like a Christian

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band too. You know, so
interesting. It was interesting.

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Really cool stuff.

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Um, I'd like to put, people are
always asking me, do you play

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local rich? You got any other
projects going? I'm like, I want

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to, I know I would love to put,
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thing together. But you know
what the most challenging thing

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is, is finding that fantastic,
charismatic front person, yeah,

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that doesn't want to just be
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with invisible players, right?
Like a band concept, yeah? You

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think it would be easier to do.
It is not, not easy,

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yeah? Because if someone is
great, they're probably already

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doing, you know, someone's found
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Which is also tough for artists
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town too, you know, younger,
younger artists, because if

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someone's really good, they're
gonna go get it to a ring gig or

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whatever, you know. Yeah? So,
yeah, we'll. Sales was hugely

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influential to me, and was kind
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me, even though he probably
didn't think so. He just, like

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this annoying kid is just asking
me questions, will sales is

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amazing, great, great drama
played with Matt Carney for a

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long time. Tons of like session
work. He Yeah, he's great. And

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so he would actually let me come
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sessions, you know, and I, I
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in the back. I wasn't, you know,
wasn't annoying, trying not to

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be like that annoying young kid,
yeah. So he would teach me like,

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this is how you tune drums for
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it's different, you know, live,
if you're tuning more to the

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microphone than you are to your
ear necessarily in the room, you

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know? And so I learned that at a
pretty young age. I was like 19,

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maybe 1819, or whatever. And so
yeah, and then he would kind of

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like help me out of like running
tracks, like learning how to

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build Ableton sessions and
things like that, just cool

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stuff, like recording at home
and and so, yeah, he my first

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master session, actually was
with him. It was a double drum

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session for an artist named
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drummers

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tracking at the same same

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time. Yeah, wow. So it was kind
of like a Jim Keltner, Matt

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Chamberlain type of vibe. Yeah,
you know it was, it was at House

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of David, which I think is still
there on Music Row, but yeah, so

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we would have, we had two kids
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One was sort of the weird,
bigger kick drum, kind of

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concert bass kick like weird,
funkier one, and then a more

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traditional kind of kid, because
we would swap. That's awesome.

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Yeah, it was great. It was
amazing. I love that. So I was

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still in college at that time, I
think. And so, yeah, just like

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all these experiences started to
add up, and then the, you know,

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word kind of gets out about you,
and people go, Hey, why don't we

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try this guy out, which is
really difficult for drummers,

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you know, I feel like it's one
of the harder instruments to

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break into in the studio world,
because it's the most expensive

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thing to record, yeah, if the
and if the drums aren't right,

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the whole thing just kind of
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one of the toughest chairs
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expectation is all right, we're
doing five songs in three hours,

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and we got to get that drum take
Yeah? So it's the hot seat, and

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if the drums aren't right, then
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guitar or whatever.

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So you have to, like, rerecord
everything. Yeah, I

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always thought the drums were
just easy. I mean, obviously

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getting into them and playing
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natural, you know, draw to it,
yeah. But I guess that's kind of

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interesting to hear at that

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yeah, it is, yeah. Like, for a
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they go into record, they want
to feel, I mean, you have to,

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you just have to have that ease.
And you want to know

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everything's going to be good
that I don't even want to you

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shouldn't have to worry about
the musicians that are there.

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Yeah? You know that's just like
your your comfort zone, yeah?

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You know, the foundation every

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rock band producer in the world
is saying to themselves, this is

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a band, please, let the drummer
be good, right? Because if he

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doesn't, it gets awkward, and
then they have to bring in a guy

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that do behind the scenes stuff,
yeah,

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if you have a because the thing
is, you could tell, can you tell

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if a guitar player is bad or a
bass player? Yeah, for sure,

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tone,

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I mean, toning, time, regular
ear, yeah? But then drummer,

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it's, it's obvious, right? Yeah.
And if you need to re record the

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guitar, you really only need
like, one microphone, right? Or,

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like, maybe, you know, so you
could go over to that at your

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play. But with drums, you need
the room. You need like, 12 to

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15 mics, or whatever it may be.
It's just a lot more expensive

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to fix.

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It's an organism. Yeah, it's a
it's quite

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the operation. Have you

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guys heard of the movie dream
wild?

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It's with, oh gosh, Casey
Affleck, Walton Goggins is in

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it, Beau Bridges, pretty big
cast, but my wife and I watched

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it last night, and it's a true
story about these guys, these

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brothers named Emerson. His last
name, Donnie Emerson, yeah. Does

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that ring a bell? No, there?
Well, one the brother, Walton

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Goggins, one of the brothers was
a drummer. They made, like a

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self produced record back in the
70s. Okay? And it like got

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discovered. These guys were out
of Washington State, yeah, and

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somebody, you know, back in the
birth of the Internet, they had

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these, you know, chat groups and
stuff like that. And they

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discovered their record that
they put out in the late 70s. It

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then would became relevant in,
like, the late 90s, early

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millennium. And, you know, these
guys just blew up, and the

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brother who wrote all the songs,
the front man, started be taking

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it very seriously. But back
then, his brother, who was on

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drums, was never, now all that
good. And that was the tension

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throughout the entire movie.
Gotcha, you know, trying to,

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okay, you gotta, you know, step
it up here if they want to put

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us on a tour. I

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remember seeing the previews for
that. I put that on my my watch

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list, did you? Yeah, it's insane
the amount of content we have,

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like an. So it's like, you put
you have your favorites, I think

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Amazon Prime, and it's my watch
list, or it's my stuff on you,

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and it's just loaded with stuff
stressful. It's giving me

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anxiety, the amount of things I
have to watch for fun,

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yeah, and then I just put on
SportsCenter. Call it a day.

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Watch like, a million. Is that
your favorite battery? Like

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Arrested Development in the
office, like that era,

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yeah, you know, so Arrested
Development is just hilarious.

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So good, yeah, it really is
still funny.

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We lost him. Oh my gosh, no, no,
we don't know where he is. We

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lost,

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yeah, he's gonna be all right.

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No, he lost his left hand, he's
gonna literally be, all right

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now, all right, get it just
dumb. Leslie Nielsen, right

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there.

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That is actually the same sample
that they use on Sirius Radio

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XM, the the comedy station. Oh,
really, yeah, that's

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funny, because we're using these
the rodecaster too.

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Hey, come on, folks, free plug.

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Yeah, all night. So, so what was
the name of that artist and that

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album, that was your first
master, so

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that was Aaron McCarley, and we
did two cover songs. One was, I

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can't even remember, actually
what the names of the songs

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were, which is crazy. I should
remember that. And I don't think

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it ever came up. There's

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been many songs since, yeah, so
that gives you the confidence.

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Hey, I can do this. Yeah, yeah.
I

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was like, Okay, this is cool.
This is fun. I love it. Yeah, I

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can do this. Like, sign in a
card, a union card. Had never

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done that amazing, and didn't,
you know, I wasn't. It wasn't

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really one of those stories of
like, okay, I did that one time.

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Now the floodgates are open. It
was still a grind, still, still,

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like figuring it out and like
working on this record and doing

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another record and doing this
and that led to that, or

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whatever. You know now,

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you did a little bit of touring,
so when you were, like, working

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with Katie or whatever, did you
kind of have an epiphany, like,

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Hey, this is cool, and this is
always an option, but it's like,

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I do not want to be on this bus
right now. Yeah, yeah.

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And that was kind of always my
thought. I never wanted to, I

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always wanted to be in the
studio. Like, I mean, everybody

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says that, but it's like, like,
for real. I really, I was drawn

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to it at an early age. I was
recording myself in my bedroom

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when I was a kid, you know,
like, on a crappy little Tascam,

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four channel tape recorder, you
know, yeah, it was just always

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enamored with that, like how to
get drums to sound good to a

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microphone. And once I started
to make a little bit of money,

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touring would buy some gear, buy
by a couple mics I still have

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today, actually, yeah. And so
the touring was sort of a means

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to get to meet more people, to
float myself, like financially,

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to be able to finally be able to
turn down tours because I was

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booked in the studio.

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Did you ever have to go do the
low brewery thing? Did you ever

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do never,

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did you know I never did, but I
was I did some odd jobs, like I

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was a maintenance man at an
apartment complex Charlotte

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playing Mr. Like, early, like,
straight up, wow, Craig's, like,

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January, super slow touring
schedule. Like, Well, I gotta

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make money somehow, you know.
And I done,

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were you married this time? No,
okay, I wouldn't. Um,

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so my overhead was low, but, and
that was valeting cars, you

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know, like, doing that kind of
stuff, and like, still and doing

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gigs around town, but just not
enough to, like, fully, you

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know, make the bills happen. So
yeah, couple weeks did that, and

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then got another tour and said,
Peace out. Yeah,

431
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now you say you moved here 2006
that's interesting, because that

432
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,120
would have been like, that would
have been like, maybe into

433
00:23:38,120 --> 00:23:42,100
Jason's, like, second or third
single, and I was, I wonder why

434
00:23:42,100 --> 00:23:46,360
we hadn't crossed paths until
just, you know, I know it's

435
00:23:46,360 --> 00:23:49,720
great, another decade later,
right? We must have just been

436
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,780
like we were working the road.
We were doing like, 200 shows a

437
00:23:52,780 --> 00:23:55,480
year, yeah, and I would come
into town on Mondays and

438
00:23:55,480 --> 00:24:00,900
Tuesdays and do my, do my
sessions, yeah, time I was about

439
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,560
your age right now, yeah. And
that was just a very, very

440
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:09,180
vibrant. I remember, you know,
having my drums with Harry, or

441
00:24:09,180 --> 00:24:12,360
whoever the heck I was with at
the time. And yeah, you do it 10

442
00:24:12,360 --> 00:24:15,420
o'clock at one place, then you'd
have a another kid over for a

443
00:24:15,420 --> 00:24:18,600
two o'clock. It was, it was
robust. Yeah, you know, it's

444
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,380
beautiful, man. And then you get
on the bus, and yeah, the music,

445
00:24:21,860 --> 00:24:22,220
yeah,

446
00:24:22,700 --> 00:24:23,360
come back Sunday.

447
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,519
But you're stay, you stayed in
town. And, I mean, this is a

448
00:24:25,519 --> 00:24:31,579
great body of work here, very,
very robust discography. You got

449
00:24:31,579 --> 00:24:34,999
anybody on here that you are
just like, that is like, wow.

450
00:24:34,999 --> 00:24:36,079
That was,

451
00:24:36,799 --> 00:24:40,699
you know, Steven Tyler was kind
of a wow moment in taller Rico,

452
00:24:40,699 --> 00:24:45,399
yeah, yeah. Like, I actually
recorded, so recorded some for

453
00:24:45,399 --> 00:24:48,699
him at my studio, at my own
place, doing overdubs and, like,

454
00:24:48,819 --> 00:24:53,799
having his vocals going through
your headphones is insane. Yeah.

455
00:24:53,859 --> 00:24:56,919
I mean, it's just like, you're
an Aerosmith for like an hour.

456
00:24:56,979 --> 00:25:00,299
You know, it was incredible.
Yeah, it was, it was. Saying, I

457
00:25:00,300 --> 00:25:02,820
mean, I remember taking, like,
videos of it and sending it to

458
00:25:02,820 --> 00:25:05,460
my parents, being like, check
this out. Was that was that his

459
00:25:05,820 --> 00:25:08,640
country solo records the
country, and then Sarah Tomic

460
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,360
went to go do the tour. Yeah.
Now I got called originally when

461
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,260
I actually, before Sarah did
that, I was playing with this

462
00:25:16,260 --> 00:25:18,360
man loving Mary, which is
basically the Stevens

463
00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:22,880
background, almost. But I hear I
can't be in two places at once.

464
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,940
So there's a reason for every
season in like. So Sarah

465
00:25:26,180 --> 00:25:29,360
killing, we got to get more
female drummers on this show.

466
00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:33,020
Jim, there's some great we
really do. Great. Yeah, I think

467
00:25:33,020 --> 00:25:36,620
people are going to look at the
episodes and be like, where's

468
00:25:36,620 --> 00:25:37,700
all the chicks?

469
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,100
The women drummers are slim
picking so

470
00:25:42,159 --> 00:25:44,739
well in this town, we've got
Sarah, yeah,

471
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,399
Megan Coleman, we've got

472
00:25:50,619 --> 00:25:51,759
two. We're just,

473
00:25:52,360 --> 00:25:54,700
we're just going blank right
now,

474
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,300
Evelyn Glenny and Sheila E and,

475
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,019
Oh yeah, yeah, right. Zoom her.
You

476
00:26:01,020 --> 00:26:03,600
know? Blackman, yeah. Cindy
Blackman, incredible. She's

477
00:26:03,599 --> 00:26:07,559
working here, right? Cindy black
Yeah, pushing, yeah.

478
00:26:07,679 --> 00:26:08,879
She married Carlos.

479
00:26:10,020 --> 00:26:12,840
She gets to play the smooth drum
fill like all the time.

480
00:26:15,059 --> 00:26:16,079
She married him.

481
00:26:16,439 --> 00:26:19,679
She is Miss Santana. Miss
really? Carlos Santana. Good for

482
00:26:19,679 --> 00:26:20,039
her.

483
00:26:20,340 --> 00:26:24,140
That drum fill cracks me up. I
play it kind of as a joke all

484
00:26:24,140 --> 00:26:28,160
the time, because it's so hooky,
like you immediately know what

485
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:29,060
song that is,

486
00:26:29,599 --> 00:26:33,799
the drum fill, but it's also the
conga congas, doubling it

487
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:34,700
up, yeah? Just

488
00:26:34,700 --> 00:26:36,860
like when you're like, checking
your drum sounds, I always do,

489
00:26:36,860 --> 00:26:41,560
like, some version of being
cracking, yeah, or I'll do the

490
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,220
jaded version, which was kind of
inspired by that, where you make

491
00:26:45,220 --> 00:26:50,200
sure that you can test both
times being I tell the young

492
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,520
kids, when you got to get drum
sounds live or in the studio,

493
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,660
don't do a drum solo, just play
a pattern that incorporates the

494
00:26:58,660 --> 00:27:02,100
sounds of the kit, Yeah. So
things can breathe, and you can

495
00:27:02,100 --> 00:27:05,280
actually see how the kids go,
yeah, exactly,

496
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,860
which is hard

497
00:27:10,740 --> 00:27:12,960
to do. Look what I can do.
Nobody

498
00:27:12,959 --> 00:27:14,279
does. Everybody wants some.

499
00:27:16,380 --> 00:27:17,460
You know what? I'm sorry.

500
00:27:21,540 --> 00:27:23,000
John hits. Know what?

501
00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:26,000
I'm sorry. Yeah, incredible. So
much fun.

502
00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:29,720
So Steven, Steven Talarico, was
great, and Keith

503
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,680
Urban, that was awesome,
attracted at my studio as well.

504
00:27:33,860 --> 00:27:34,160
So

505
00:27:34,339 --> 00:27:36,799
this is happening more often.
So, so yeah, we'll just tell

506
00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:39,439
people. You're in a suburb of
Nashville, and you've got your

507
00:27:39,439 --> 00:27:43,239
man cave above the garage filled
with great drums, great gear.

508
00:27:43,299 --> 00:27:46,419
Yeah, you go up there with your
cup of coffee in your skivvies,

509
00:27:46,479 --> 00:27:48,399
yeah? And do the drama shorts,

510
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,400
whatever. Yeah. And I tracked
the Barbie movie. One of the

511
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:57,400
songs from the Barbie movie at
my it's called push the Matchbox

512
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,380
20 song that Ryan Gosling did.
Track that like before a

513
00:28:01,380 --> 00:28:05,580
session, 8am at the house, and I
didn't know, I didn't really

514
00:28:05,580 --> 00:28:08,880
know the vibe of what the scene
was going to be, or what the

515
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,180
whole deal was. The producer
just hit me up, like, I think

516
00:28:12,180 --> 00:28:14,760
maybe even the night before, and
said, Hey, do you want to record

517
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,180
on this song is for a movie?
Yeah, absolutely. A national

518
00:28:18,180 --> 00:28:22,340
producer. National producer.
Amazing. And, sure, yeah, send

519
00:28:22,340 --> 00:28:26,420
me the files, go up, check it
out. And I it was Ryan Gosling

520
00:28:26,420 --> 00:28:29,900
singing. And in the movie, it's
sort of a funny thing. It's like

521
00:28:29,900 --> 00:28:33,920
him, kind of, he says, I'm gonna
sing at you Barbie, you know.

522
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,020
Oh, he's playing the guitar,
yeah? It's like, on the beach,

523
00:28:36,020 --> 00:28:38,480
yeah. And so it's kind of, it's
meant to be funny, but I didn't

524
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,800
know that, yeah. So I'm just
thinking, like, God, this is

525
00:28:41,980 --> 00:28:42,700
terrible,

526
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,320
like playing on a movie
soundtrack, but

527
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:48,340
it's Ryan.

528
00:28:48,639 --> 00:28:51,759
I didn't, you know. I just
thought it was like a demo

529
00:28:51,759 --> 00:28:56,439
session singer, kind of making
fun of that Rob Thomas kind of

530
00:28:56,439 --> 00:28:58,719
style, you know, like, because
it was over the top and all

531
00:28:58,719 --> 00:29:01,979
that, you know. And so did it
and sent it off. And even the

532
00:29:01,979 --> 00:29:06,479
mix, Jim Cooley mixed it, and
none of us really knew the the

533
00:29:06,539 --> 00:29:09,479
context of the song, which was
meant to be funny, yeah, but we

534
00:29:09,479 --> 00:29:11,699
didn't know that, and we were
just kind of like, what Cooley?

535
00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:12,119
Yeah. So

536
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:16,020
you remember now Jim Cooley has
become an award winning mix

537
00:29:16,020 --> 00:29:19,560
engineer, and he's back off the
mic just a tad, okay, but for

538
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,200
about a decade, we worked
together non stop, because when

539
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,800
we had new voice in new voice
entertainment, second engineer,

540
00:29:24,860 --> 00:29:28,280
he did. He mixed a lot of the
tops. He tracked square stuff,

541
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:32,360
the panel and stuff. Yeah, so
dude. So never leaves his man.

542
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,780
Case, he never does. He's in
there. I'm like, Dude, that's

543
00:29:35,900 --> 00:29:39,080
how do you not go crazy locked
up. He's

544
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,760
got a special skill to be able
to, like, stare at a screen for

545
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,680
hours and hours and hours keep

546
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,720
your ears fresh. I mean, I
guess, right, I guess you have

547
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,320
to maybe step out and you know
how, like when ginger is a

548
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,620
palate cleanser in between bites
of sushi. I don't know what a

549
00:29:53,740 --> 00:29:58,360
mix engineer would do to kind of
like, just, just silence some

550
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,960
birds or something. Yeah, every
once. Struggle. We'll see him,

551
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,120
like, pop out of his cave. And,

552
00:30:03,179 --> 00:30:05,999
I mean, he listens pretty loud,
too sometimes. I mean, it's

553
00:30:05,999 --> 00:30:10,679
like, and he's, he's, he's one
of the best mix engineers I've

554
00:30:10,679 --> 00:30:14,159
ever worked with. Her. Now, you
dabble with that as well, right?

555
00:30:14,159 --> 00:30:14,519
Yeah, I

556
00:30:14,519 --> 00:30:17,699
also mix a little bit, you know,
and produce and produce session

557
00:30:17,699 --> 00:30:20,159
lead and session, which is
great, yeah, the great thing

558
00:30:20,159 --> 00:30:24,859
about you must have a great ear,
because, you know, when I get

559
00:30:24,859 --> 00:30:26,959
called a lead session,
sometimes, like, I will get the

560
00:30:26,959 --> 00:30:32,599
charts done, you know what I
mean, but I am so slow at Yes,

561
00:30:32,599 --> 00:30:35,899
you know it's, you must be just
really fast to be able to do

562
00:30:35,899 --> 00:30:36,499
that all the time.

563
00:30:36,500 --> 00:30:39,560
Yeah, I grew up, actually,
guitar was my first instrument.

564
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,160
There you go. So that's kind of,
yeah, yeah. Started on guitar.

565
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,040
Well, it wasn't my first it was
the first instrument I got.

566
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,860
Drums were my first instrument,
but I never didn't have a drum

567
00:30:47,860 --> 00:30:51,340
set till I was nine years old.
Yeah, got a guitar when I was

568
00:30:51,340 --> 00:30:53,860
really young, and would just
play along to the room my dad.

569
00:30:53,860 --> 00:30:57,400
My dad kind of plays everything,
just like, good enough, you

570
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,680
know, to kind of get behind he
must be proud, right? Your

571
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,100
folks, oh yeah, they're super
proud. Just like, Look at this

572
00:31:02,100 --> 00:31:04,140
kid is done. He's doing it. It's

573
00:31:04,140 --> 00:31:06,300
amazing. He bought a house,

574
00:31:07,559 --> 00:31:10,379
yeah? Exactly, playing drum,
raising a family, playing the

575
00:31:10,379 --> 00:31:10,679
drums,

576
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,220
crazy, yeah. So he taught, he
taught me, like, just basic

577
00:31:14,220 --> 00:31:18,780
guitar stuff, when I was young,
piano. He sings, as well as my

578
00:31:18,780 --> 00:31:22,400
mom, my sisters all sing. One of
my sisters plays guitar. So it's

579
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,640
a real musical fan. So it was
just kind of the ear was always

580
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:26,240
in there, yeah,

581
00:31:26,299 --> 00:31:32,419
you know now, now, since Evan
session leads, Jim, his, his

582
00:31:32,419 --> 00:31:36,679
retirement, his, his pension
from the union will be bigger

583
00:31:36,679 --> 00:31:42,099
than mine, because he gets
double scale a lot, because he

584
00:31:42,099 --> 00:31:44,679
get double scale by session
leading. He he takes on the

585
00:31:44,679 --> 00:31:47,859
responsibility of getting
together with the artist and or

586
00:31:47,859 --> 00:31:50,439
just, you know, being
entertaining the rough demos.

587
00:31:50,439 --> 00:31:52,659
And then he does the number
charts, and he gets them all

588
00:31:52,659 --> 00:31:54,999
copied up, and he passes them
out with the coffee to all the

589
00:31:54,999 --> 00:31:57,759
players. And he had, just has to
kind of make sure that

590
00:31:57,759 --> 00:32:01,439
everything is going smooth.
Yeah, more responsibility. But,

591
00:32:01,499 --> 00:32:02,159
you know, like, I

592
00:32:02,159 --> 00:32:05,519
love it, yeah, I really enjoy
it, honestly. And like, I

593
00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:09,359
remember doing, you know, triple
demos, like, multiple days of

594
00:32:09,359 --> 00:32:13,079
triple demos with, like, Eric
leg over at Ocean Way Yeah, and

595
00:32:13,079 --> 00:32:16,619
factory Yeah, and just tones the
songs, which is, it was great,

596
00:32:16,619 --> 00:32:20,779
yeah. And sometimes, like, I
would have to just write the

597
00:32:20,779 --> 00:32:24,139
chart out there. They would
switch out the song, and so no

598
00:32:24,139 --> 00:32:27,139
guitar in hand, just like
writing it out, just ear

599
00:32:27,139 --> 00:32:29,239
training kind of stuff. You
know, Tommy harden

600
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,480
is really good at that, too. Jim
Riley's really good at that. But

601
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,480
usually it's a keyboard player
or a guitar player, because

602
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,720
you just have more of a
harmonic, right? Unless it's a

603
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,660
Christmas song, I'm good. Lot

604
00:32:40,660 --> 00:32:42,340
of chords in those Christmas
songs.

605
00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:45,699
Who's the guy on your sessions
for Jason? Oh, that's

606
00:32:45,700 --> 00:32:49,360
Adam Schoenfeld. Yeah, Adam
Jones. Adam was telling me what

607
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,600
his um thing is, and it's, yeah,

608
00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:53,559
not bad. It's

609
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,480
bigger, yeah, bigger.

610
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,260
But drums are more fun. Let's be
honest. It's the best chair. So

611
00:33:01,260 --> 00:33:03,180
it's the best seat in the house.
It really is. Yeah,

612
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,100
it's the sweatiest seat in the
house, for

613
00:33:06,059 --> 00:33:07,019
sure. Gear, bro.

614
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,680
So I don't have a kid
endorsement. I was talking to

615
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:15,240
Gretch for a while, but pulled
out of that, I played Gretch. I

616
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:20,300
play Gretsch, usually in the
studio, Gretch or Ludwig and

617
00:33:20,300 --> 00:33:24,380
Zildjian symbols, Vic, first
six, Evans, drum heads,

618
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:29,000
you and I can never do a clinic
tour together. A

619
00:33:32,420 --> 00:33:35,780
lot of banners, so many, so many
banners. You

620
00:33:35,780 --> 00:33:38,000
guys remember the D drums? Yeah,

621
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,980
they tracked great. They were
the sensitivity, the tracking,

622
00:33:42,100 --> 00:33:45,820
yeah. And they weren't, like, it
was a, it was a really nice

623
00:33:45,820 --> 00:33:48,100
feeling head, much more than the
mesh,

624
00:33:48,099 --> 00:33:51,159
not the, not the electric drums,
the acoustic drums that they

625
00:33:51,159 --> 00:33:51,939
had. Oh, I

626
00:33:51,939 --> 00:33:54,459
do remember those, but those
weren't as good as the as the

627
00:33:54,459 --> 00:33:56,079
electronic drums that they I

628
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,980
momentarily had a kit of D
drums, yeah. They were really

629
00:33:59,980 --> 00:34:00,780
nice. They rock,

630
00:34:01,199 --> 00:34:05,579
they're great for, like, heavier
rock, like, real punchy, Yep,

631
00:34:05,699 --> 00:34:06,179
yeah,

632
00:34:06,300 --> 00:34:10,740
they're great, really long
shells, yeah, kick drum shells,

633
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,420
Yeah, beautiful. Very long,

634
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,960
very long compensating. That's
right. Like, like, when you pull

635
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,420
up with your Porsche and you're
like, Yeah, okay, yeah. Someone

636
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,420
always told me, they're like,
Hey, you can always check out

637
00:34:23,420 --> 00:34:25,940
and see, like, how a session
player is, like, how well

638
00:34:25,940 --> 00:34:28,820
they're doing depending on,
like, what they're driving. So

639
00:34:28,820 --> 00:34:32,420
like, when Alia pulls up with
his like, Porsche grocery

640
00:34:32,420 --> 00:34:34,580
getter, yeah. The thing is, if I
look, if I have a Porsche, I

641
00:34:34,580 --> 00:34:37,400
don't want it to be a grocery
getter. I want it to be like a

642
00:34:37,460 --> 00:34:39,620
look at look at me. Demon. Yeah.
You know,

643
00:34:39,620 --> 00:34:42,820
totally Yeah, absolutely, yeah.
Ever drive one slow rocking?

644
00:34:43,660 --> 00:34:46,240
No. But you know, you know, I'm
an Audi man. You made me an Audi

645
00:34:46,240 --> 00:34:46,780
man. Thanks.

646
00:34:46,780 --> 00:34:49,360
You understand that Porsche is a
high end Audi.

647
00:34:50,260 --> 00:34:53,080
It's like a step above, right?
Yeah. What do you think like the

648
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,200
luxury version of an Audi? But
an Audi is luxury enough. I

649
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:56,620
mean, it's,

650
00:34:56,799 --> 00:35:00,119
those are great. They're great,
yeah? Amazing? Does? I. So,

651
00:35:00,420 --> 00:35:01,920
you know, for a high end
Volkswagen, they're

652
00:35:01,919 --> 00:35:05,939
fantastic. But some people just
don't want to put their money

653
00:35:05,939 --> 00:35:07,859
into cars. You know what? I
mean, it's like some people

654
00:35:07,859 --> 00:35:10,679
like, are proud owners of
Hondas. You've discovered that

655
00:35:10,679 --> 00:35:12,059
you're somewhat of a car guy.
You

656
00:35:12,060 --> 00:35:13,020
got a taste. I

657
00:35:13,020 --> 00:35:16,500
did get a taste of it. But right
now, I'm back in the in the

658
00:35:16,500 --> 00:35:18,540
grocery getter. Yeah, that's
what? Yeah, I'm

659
00:35:18,540 --> 00:35:22,160
Acura MDX guy, nice. And I'm
just gonna drive, you know, for

660
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:22,580
a high end,

661
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,260
those are great cars. It is.

662
00:35:24,620 --> 00:35:28,340
It's the, it's the luxury Honda.
It's a luxury Honda, and it will

663
00:35:28,340 --> 00:35:31,040
go for hundreds of 1000s of
miles. Yeah.

664
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,980
So back to the drums. There's no
reason for you to really take on

665
00:35:33,980 --> 00:35:36,560
an endorsement if you're not
touring, other than if you would

666
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,920
like to, you know, align
yourself with the company

667
00:35:39,980 --> 00:35:44,020
culture. And then you could, you
know, probably get some more

668
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,180
gear. Yeah, more often, yeah,

669
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:49,120
which is great, yeah. I mean,
I'm not opposed to it, for sure,

670
00:35:49,540 --> 00:35:53,800
it just hasn't presented itself
in a way that seemed like the

671
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,840
right choice. Yeah, for me at
the moment, are

672
00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:00,900
you a beefy stick? 5b 5b 5b
Yeah, 5b I get some people that

673
00:36:00,900 --> 00:36:04,080
are just like, how wide the 5b
I'm like, well, the five A is,

674
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,900
is it is nice, but it's just not
big enough. It's not enough,

675
00:36:06,900 --> 00:36:11,340
yeah? And I like to, I mean, I
don't hit super hard, yeah, but

676
00:36:11,340 --> 00:36:14,160
if I want a bigger sound, I feel
like the stick can get some of

677
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,880
that for you around and use the
butt. But that has this

678
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,720
different sound. Yeah, it has a
certain sound to it, which is

679
00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:24,500
cool sometimes, but not all the
time. And, I mean, all you can

680
00:36:24,500 --> 00:36:27,080
see on my left, because I
usually rim shot, like, just all

681
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:32,060
the time, yes, no. Left stick is
just frayed to, like, no end,

682
00:36:32,060 --> 00:36:32,600
you know? I mean,

683
00:36:32,780 --> 00:36:35,240
and then the shank of the right
stick, yeah, from the high Yeah,

684
00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:36,320
exactly, yeah.

685
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,500
So I'll kind of enter, you know,
yeah, interchange them up, but

686
00:36:39,500 --> 00:36:41,140
yeah, 5b man. I love it.

687
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,380
Now. I love that. And I know
I've seen your the Carter Drake.

688
00:36:44,380 --> 00:36:46,960
There's a lot of snare drums,
and they all have personalities

689
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,360
and characters. You got to be
able to pull things up really

690
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,480
quickly. But am I right in
saying that you could probably

691
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,660
get through just about any
situation in life with an

692
00:36:55,660 --> 00:36:58,000
acrolytic, super phonic and a
black beauty?

693
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,160
Yeah, you really could, right?
Yeah, even just a black beauty,

694
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,220
really. And I mean, it can do a
lot. And that was the first

695
00:37:05,220 --> 00:37:06,120
eardrum I bought.

696
00:37:06,180 --> 00:37:09,420
I don't have a piccolo, but I
want to call I've been listening

697
00:37:09,420 --> 00:37:12,420
to, I listened to, we just had a
Jason Hartless in here, so, oh,

698
00:37:12,420 --> 00:37:14,880
cool. He's Ted Nugent's drummer
for the last nine years, and he

699
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,060
just has made Nashville home, so
he just moved here. So like,

700
00:37:18,060 --> 00:37:20,100
Come on, let's have a
conversation. We were just

701
00:37:20,100 --> 00:37:22,820
talking about a one he had
downtime with uh Ted. He went

702
00:37:22,820 --> 00:37:26,240
out and played with a sponge. So
my new thing is now that we have

703
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:29,420
this Spotify thing that we pay
$10 a month for all the music in

704
00:37:29,420 --> 00:37:31,880
the world when, when, when I'm
reminded of a band, like

705
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,860
someone's the other day, was
like, helmet. I was like,

706
00:37:33,860 --> 00:37:36,500
helmet, oh. So then I went on
like, a helmet, deep Yeah. So

707
00:37:36,500 --> 00:37:39,740
the other day I go on a sponge,
Deep Dive. It's all Piccolo,

708
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:44,260
right? It's 90, that was the
thing. I'm just like, I don't

709
00:37:44,260 --> 00:37:48,040
have one right now, so I want to
maybe get one of those, like DW

710
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,160
carbon fibers or something.
They're cool. Just to

711
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,860
have one, you can crank it up
and kind of do the Steve Jordan

712
00:37:53,860 --> 00:37:57,040
thing with those, you know,
like, it can be funky and cool,

713
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:58,000
you know,

714
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,100
you do the large thing from st
anger,

715
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:01,200
yeah. Everybody,

716
00:38:04,140 --> 00:38:07,800
everybody makes fun of that
sound on that album. It's,

717
00:38:07,860 --> 00:38:11,220
it's arguably the worst snare no
offense Lars, if you're

718
00:38:11,220 --> 00:38:13,500
listening to this, he's like, I

719
00:38:13,500 --> 00:38:17,280
don't care. I am laughing all
the way to the worst snare drum

720
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,260
sound I've ever heard. He sure
is on a record, yeah, but, I

721
00:38:21,260 --> 00:38:24,020
mean, didn't stop him from
selling millions of records,

722
00:38:24,020 --> 00:38:27,440
right? We're Metallica, you're
not, yeah, he's playing

723
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,180
stadiums. I'm not, yeah,

724
00:38:31,460 --> 00:38:33,140
right? He's laughing now, yeah,
we

725
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,020
should be getting him on here
soon, right? Yeah,

726
00:38:36,500 --> 00:38:38,960
if they pass through, yeah, we
have to go through so many

727
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,260
layers of red tape. He's

728
00:38:41,260 --> 00:38:43,060
not on your cell phone. No,

729
00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:46,000
I know his drum tech. Yeah,
there you go, yeah. I

730
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,220
mean, maybe that's that would be
a convo. I

731
00:38:48,220 --> 00:38:49,600
would want to be a fly on that
wall.

732
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,420
Yeah? Maybe we need to have a
drum tech round table. That'd be

733
00:38:52,420 --> 00:38:53,920
really, really fun. Yeah,

734
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,280
tell all, spill the beans. Kind
of thing. Start talking. Liquor

735
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:57,700
them up.

736
00:39:00,820 --> 00:39:02,580
Whatever you say, there's no
backsies.

737
00:39:02,700 --> 00:39:07,320
Yeah, right. So, you know, black
beauty. So like a kid, you know,

738
00:39:07,860 --> 00:39:11,580
I tell the kids, like, look at
if you use a moon gel, a drum,

739
00:39:11,580 --> 00:39:16,860
dot, a drum, tack, the snare
weights the big fat snare drums,

740
00:39:16,980 --> 00:39:19,080
gaff tape and different
patterns,

741
00:39:20,340 --> 00:39:21,560
typing paper,

742
00:39:23,660 --> 00:39:27,620
uh, wallet, all of it is going
to make the drum sound

743
00:39:27,620 --> 00:39:31,160
completely different, totally
and absolutely, you know? So,

744
00:39:32,179 --> 00:39:35,179
yeah, I mean, I you could the
Black Beauty was the first snare

745
00:39:35,179 --> 00:39:38,659
drum I bought based on will
sales. The guy I was telling you

746
00:39:38,659 --> 00:39:40,899
about, I was like, hey, what
snare drum should I get that

747
00:39:40,899 --> 00:39:43,779
could be kind of a do it all
type of thing, yeah, six and a

748
00:39:43,779 --> 00:39:48,219
half black, beauty, cool, done.
Still use it to this day. Love

749
00:39:48,219 --> 00:39:49,659
it. It sounds incredible. Isn't

750
00:39:49,660 --> 00:39:52,000
that kind of what I have
upstairs, the black, it's a

751
00:39:52,060 --> 00:39:55,240
chrome over brass, right? Yeah,
yeah. Black chrome over brass,

752
00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:58,660
yeah. So I have the DW version
of that. They're great. Did you

753
00:39:58,660 --> 00:40:02,520
buy that? I traded in? A like a
snare drum and a symbol. And it

754
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,760
was an even exchange through
forks. Love at times, the drum

755
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,380
was on sale and it is just

756
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:12,660
swap. How about the three? We a
city this size. We have three

757
00:40:12,660 --> 00:40:13,740
World Class drum shops.

758
00:40:13,799 --> 00:40:18,959
It's incredible, beautiful. It's
amazing, really, well

759
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:24,200
time. I mean, for decades, up
until, like, what, like, the

760
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,240
last five or six years, maybe,

761
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:28,940
and now they have the
reputations like,

762
00:40:30,199 --> 00:40:33,259
what they do, but like forks is
like, is more like new gear, you

763
00:40:33,259 --> 00:40:35,419
know, and they have a repair
department, and there is some

764
00:40:35,419 --> 00:40:37,819
youth stuff. And then you go to
Nelson, it's like, well, we go

765
00:40:37,819 --> 00:40:40,519
there for the the espresso
machine and all the vintage

766
00:40:40,519 --> 00:40:43,239
stuff. And then you go to see
Andy, because he's got all the

767
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,519
weirdest rattly, totally things.
And

768
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:49,060
his snare drums that he makes
are incredible, man. They're

769
00:40:49,060 --> 00:40:52,480
great. I want to treat myself to
one. They're called Hello, hello

770
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,500
drum. I kind of helped name
that. Did you? Because they used

771
00:40:56,500 --> 00:41:01,440
to be called Best drum, yeah.
And I have a couple of those,

772
00:41:01,500 --> 00:41:05,760
and whenever I hit one of them,
I just said, like, hello. That

773
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,860
sounds like incredible.

774
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,880
What's the one to get? Oh, man,
you

775
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,440
get a hello snare drum. So

776
00:41:13,500 --> 00:41:18,900
the six and a half steel is
great. And if you get it with

777
00:41:18,900 --> 00:41:23,180
the no flange hoops, it's it's a
beautiful thing, like, where

778
00:41:23,180 --> 00:41:27,380
it's single flange, like the
straight up and down, yeah, it

779
00:41:27,380 --> 00:41:31,640
sounds better choppers, yeah,
yeah. Like those. That sounds

780
00:41:31,700 --> 00:41:35,480
incredible, man. I use that
snare drum on a bunch of Luke

781
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,260
Bryan number ones actually, like
that very one on a ton, ton of

782
00:41:39,260 --> 00:41:42,760
stuff. And so that would be the
one that I would probably go to

783
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,420
first. And then he also makes,
uh, I've got one of his five and

784
00:41:46,420 --> 00:41:48,220
a half coppers. That's really
cool.

785
00:41:48,220 --> 00:41:50,680
Yeah, I think that's when our
friend Larry aberman was like,

786
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,860
Oh, I like this one. Plus you
can get the wood rims on them as

787
00:41:53,860 --> 00:41:54,160
well. You

788
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:55,960
do the wood ramp thing. This is
great,

789
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,040
yeah, Andy sauce

790
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,760
yacht. Remember a yacht? Yeah,
great. And they're also,

791
00:42:00,820 --> 00:42:03,300
I had a snare drum from a
company called L company called

792
00:42:03,300 --> 00:42:04,920
Allegra love.

793
00:42:04,980 --> 00:42:05,820
But love them. I

794
00:42:05,939 --> 00:42:07,499
think they're still in business.
I

795
00:42:07,500 --> 00:42:12,360
think they are barely Yeah, but
yeah. But they niche. There are

796
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:13,740
they in, like Vancouver,

797
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,279
in our we had a the great flood
of 2010

798
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:23,899
and I lost a gorgeous sonar, 18
inch floor tom, which goes for

799
00:42:23,899 --> 00:42:24,559
like, $4,000

800
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,080
Yeah. What about the kick drum
you had,

801
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,360
it turned into a coffee table or
something.

802
00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:33,500
I lost those things, like a 26
inch

803
00:42:33,500 --> 00:42:36,560
kick drum that you had red and
black sparkle, and

804
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,380
it made it. It made it. And I
sold that Kip when I filmed

805
00:42:39,380 --> 00:42:42,880
drumming in the modern world.com
which is already coming up on 10

806
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:43,300
years.

807
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,380
Oh, wow, wow, that's awesome and
good for you. But, but, um,

808
00:42:47,380 --> 00:42:49,900
you know, it's just, I, you
know, I don't have kids. You

809
00:42:49,900 --> 00:42:52,120
guys that have kids, you have
this instant legacy. I'm like,

810
00:42:52,300 --> 00:42:53,140
What can I do?

811
00:42:56,860 --> 00:42:58,360
High Definition drone,

812
00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:00,220
a huge legacy

813
00:43:01,179 --> 00:43:04,199
that's amazing. He downplays
himself. So it's

814
00:43:04,260 --> 00:43:08,100
better to be aw shucks than look
at me. Yeah, I think.

815
00:43:08,340 --> 00:43:09,540
But the Allegro stuff, was

816
00:43:09,540 --> 00:43:12,780
it a master craft? It would
Yeah? Was like, Andy blonde with

817
00:43:12,780 --> 00:43:15,000
the wood rim killer, and I use
it for the

818
00:43:15,420 --> 00:43:17,160
Yeah, the kind of thing

819
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:18,600
birthday in

820
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,700
the studio. Does anybody really
tell No, yeah, you can eat more

821
00:43:22,700 --> 00:43:25,700
than anywhere else. I mean, if
you play, if you record a song

822
00:43:25,700 --> 00:43:28,880
with a CB 700 kit and you just
mic it and tune it the right

823
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,320
way, can you really tell just

824
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,900
all about how it sounds? I think
that was even for like a to make

825
00:43:32,900 --> 00:43:33,740
a weird loops,

826
00:43:33,740 --> 00:43:37,100
getting wood from the bottom of
Lake Superior and then putting

827
00:43:37,100 --> 00:43:40,600
the kit together. Can you really
tune No no, and you know, Lake

828
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:45,340
Superior would, you know,
charging $15,000 for a four

829
00:43:45,340 --> 00:43:46,180
piece that kind of,

830
00:43:46,180 --> 00:43:50,020
I mean, John good gets these
brilliant ideas, you know, it's,

831
00:43:50,020 --> 00:43:52,360
they're a for profit business,
so, you know, right

832
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,040
money, yeah, yeah, you

833
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,400
gotta, you know, innovate and
try and collect your collectors.

834
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,220
I would always say, I'm like,
Dude, you can put a pearl export

835
00:44:00,220 --> 00:44:03,960
kit on stage, Mike it, and once
it comes out the fronts, you're

836
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:04,920
not going to tell

837
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,160
Yeah, live is different than the
studio, because, like in the

838
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:12,600
studio, you are hearing every
single over nuance, and it has

839
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,200
to be versatile. If they go we
like the toms, but it's kind of

840
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,480
doing a Boing thing, you know?
And you're like, well, that's

841
00:44:18,540 --> 00:44:20,880
just in the drum because it's
this crappy drum set, yeah? So

842
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,360
if you have a good drum set, you
can change it. And it and make

843
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:24,260
it sound like anything.

844
00:44:24,260 --> 00:44:26,840
These are the only drums I have.
Okay, 700

845
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,140
you want this, you got to take
that. I've

846
00:44:30,140 --> 00:44:34,340
actually got some old CB Uh, hi
hats. That sound incredible.

847
00:44:34,940 --> 00:44:38,720
Really trashy, real trash. Yeah,
trashy. They're looking for

848
00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:39,200
loops.

849
00:44:39,199 --> 00:44:42,939
You look up like Wuhan China's,
yeah, those are great. China's

850
00:44:42,939 --> 00:44:45,219
Great. And there's, they're
cheap. Yeah,

851
00:44:45,219 --> 00:44:47,619
it doesn't have to be expensive
to be good. That's, that's for

852
00:44:47,619 --> 00:44:48,339
sure. Yeah,

853
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,080
upstairs, actually, yeah,

854
00:44:50,260 --> 00:44:52,720
you know they're they don't last
very long. They crack, but

855
00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:53,740
they're awesome. I

856
00:44:53,740 --> 00:44:56,860
beat the crap out of mine. I
watch me watch my freaking crack

857
00:44:56,860 --> 00:44:57,160
at them.

858
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,360
I remember that song by the out
the outfield, Joe. He's on a

859
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,820
vacation. We're far away, and
I'm in my garage in my early

860
00:45:02,820 --> 00:45:05,760
teens and twirling my six just
waiting to

861
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,920
exactly could not wait getting
after it coming up. Here we go,

862
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:11,280
Dude, I

863
00:45:11,279 --> 00:45:14,399
love it. So hey, so I want to
might as well steal some info

864
00:45:14,399 --> 00:45:18,779
from you, like you're you do a
lot of great loops, something

865
00:45:18,779 --> 00:45:21,559
like, say, Keith Urban's, you
know, wild hearts, super high

866
00:45:21,559 --> 00:45:24,259
fidelity loop. And then you've
got, like, some other kind of

867
00:45:24,439 --> 00:45:30,439
strange, trashy, Lo Fi stuff.
What, you know, Greg uses the

868
00:45:30,439 --> 00:45:35,059
AKAI MPC thing. Some guys have
just got the a physical machine.

869
00:45:35,059 --> 00:45:39,679
Other guys have got the machine
app on their iPad. What's your

870
00:45:39,679 --> 00:45:41,199
go to? Well,

871
00:45:41,559 --> 00:45:44,859
I've got, right now, I kind of
just switched it up. So I've got

872
00:45:44,859 --> 00:45:47,619
a hybrid of a bunch of a couple
different things. I usually

873
00:45:47,619 --> 00:45:51,399
whenever I'm traveling, or
whenever I'm my go to that comes

874
00:45:51,399 --> 00:45:53,559
with me all the time, or that
goes with me all the time, is

875
00:45:53,619 --> 00:45:56,199
the machine, the micro machine,
the little guy, yeah, because

876
00:45:56,199 --> 00:45:58,599
you can set it up wherever, and
doesn't take up a bunch of

877
00:45:58,599 --> 00:46:02,459
space. And I've got a bunch of
samples and stuff in my laptop

878
00:46:02,459 --> 00:46:04,979
that I can drag and drop and
pull into that and build

879
00:46:04,979 --> 00:46:10,139
something. And then I also in my
car to rig I've got, kind of

880
00:46:10,799 --> 00:46:14,039
almost like another recording
setup, you know, where I've got

881
00:46:14,039 --> 00:46:17,159
an interface, I'll set up a
couple microphones, record

882
00:46:17,159 --> 00:46:21,139
myself into Ableton, live, yeah,
chop that up, do some effects,

883
00:46:21,139 --> 00:46:24,199
and then send that out the same
loop lines that the machines

884
00:46:24,199 --> 00:46:24,679
going out

885
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,800
of. Just, you just tell the
guys, hey, I got it. Yeah, let

886
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,800
me just record this real quick,
and then I'll edit it, and then

887
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,400
throw some effects on it. And it
takes like, 10 seconds. Yeah,

888
00:46:34,460 --> 00:46:37,100
that's awesome, yeah, because,
you know, Ableton super fast.

889
00:46:37,100 --> 00:46:43,060
And then I've also got the SPDs
X Pro over to my left. Okay, so

890
00:46:43,420 --> 00:46:46,720
I'm kind of going in this hybrid
thing. We'll see how long it

891
00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:51,400
lasts, but triggers on kick and
snare, which is awesome. And

892
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,100
then I've also those are going
to their own outputs from the

893
00:46:54,100 --> 00:46:57,880
from the pad, triggering my own
samples or other samples that

894
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:02,520
I've got, you know, and then
I'll use the pad as well to to

895
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:06,480
play loose. So I've got a kick
drum trigger, like external

896
00:47:06,540 --> 00:47:10,260
trigger pedal, yeah. So I'll
play loops on the pad into

897
00:47:10,260 --> 00:47:14,340
Ableton, chop it up, send it
out, or I'll just play it live.

898
00:47:14,340 --> 00:47:17,520
You know it's like because you
can switch over play left, and

899
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:21,080
then here comes the chorus,
Phil, and now the feeder back on

900
00:47:21,380 --> 00:47:25,820
hi hat and kick drop, yeah. So
three options. So there's a lot

901
00:47:25,820 --> 00:47:28,340
of options. Yeah, that's great,
yeah. And then whenever I'm

902
00:47:28,340 --> 00:47:31,880
tracking at home, I usually just
a lot of times I'll just drag

903
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,880
and drop in samples if I'm
building a loop, or I'll just

904
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,240
play it on my kit and then kind
of affect it more, spend some

905
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:41,620
more time with certain things at
the house. Yeah, I love it.

906
00:47:41,620 --> 00:47:44,920
Okay, so I gotta get faster at
Ableton. So this is always, you

907
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,800
know, you don't want moss
growing on you. You gotta, I

908
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,740
know it's all about workflow.
And so what I tell people is,

909
00:47:50,740 --> 00:47:53,920
just spin that. Like, I would
practice this kind of stuff at

910
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,620
my own studio when I'm on my
own. So you're fast, yeah? So

911
00:47:56,620 --> 00:47:59,920
like, whenever I get to the
studio session, they're not

912
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:02,700
sitting around waiting on me,
and it's more like, All right,

913
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,480
we're creative. We want to be
the moment. Let's go cool. And

914
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,760
so sometimes, actually, while
we're listening to the song,

915
00:48:08,820 --> 00:48:11,580
I'll leave a little bit earlier,
if I kind of get the gist of the

916
00:48:11,580 --> 00:48:15,720
song, I'll leave around chorus
two or bridge, start building.

917
00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:18,600
Go into the room. Start building
something. So by the time

918
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,320
everybody's sitting down and
tuning and got their thing. I'm

919
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,200
ready to go. We printed the
loop. We're ready to rock.

920
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:24,920
You're thinking, you're

921
00:48:24,919 --> 00:48:27,319
thinking an efficiency, yeah?
Efficiency

922
00:48:27,619 --> 00:48:28,759
and so, because even

923
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:32,120
on a master recording, like,
it's a luxury to have, like,

924
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:37,340
say, one song every three hours,
right? Yeah, master recording,

925
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:38,540
it's more like, every

926
00:48:38,539 --> 00:48:42,219
90 minutes, two songs a session.
Yeah? It's usually two songs a

927
00:48:42,219 --> 00:48:44,979
session. Some guys still do one
song a session, which is great,

928
00:48:44,979 --> 00:48:49,299
yeah, um, sometimes it's three
songs one hour, baby, that's

929
00:48:49,299 --> 00:48:51,579
moving, that's moving, that's
usually, if they're going to do

930
00:48:51,579 --> 00:48:55,359
overdubs later, yeah, guitar
overdubs and things. But, yeah,

931
00:48:55,479 --> 00:48:57,339
two songs a session's a good
pace.

932
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,280
I like that. It's pretty much
the L That's the Aldean pace.

933
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:04,080
Yeah, we do one song every 90
minutes. So it's a, it's a four

934
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:08,400
song day, yeah? So we record 15
tracks for the record. So

935
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,400
really, we're done in about
three days. That's great, you

936
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:12,480
know? And yeah, it's

937
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:14,520
a lot of music. Adam

938
00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:18,779
comes in, does the does the
guitar over Dubs. I might come

939
00:49:18,779 --> 00:49:21,379
back on another day and do
shaker tambourines or whatever,

940
00:49:21,379 --> 00:49:24,199
kind of what a funky stuff we
got to do there. And then Jason

941
00:49:24,199 --> 00:49:27,319
sings at his own pace. Yeah.
It's

942
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,320
amazing, man. Keep her tracks.
Yeah. And in Nashville, I mean,

943
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,620
that's so that doesn't really
happen in other cities, which we

944
00:49:33,620 --> 00:49:37,700
don't we, we kind of forget in
Nashville how quick and

945
00:49:37,700 --> 00:49:40,900
efficient we are in the studio
and just like on it, you know,

946
00:49:40,900 --> 00:49:44,080
in the engineers too, like,
across the board, not just the

947
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,240
musicians, but it's the
engineers, the assistant

948
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:50,560
engineers. It's everybody, like,
the gear works, you know, like,

949
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,680
yeah, all that's been tested
out. Mics are tested out before

950
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,600
we get there, yeah, so that we
can just go

951
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,820
and the punching, like the
engineers that, like, you know,

952
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,620
working with Cam the other day,
sounds. So fast. I get you, I

953
00:50:01,620 --> 00:50:03,900
got you, I got you in, I'm gonna
get you out. Boom, boom. Richie

954
00:50:03,900 --> 00:50:06,060
going all the way down to the
top. Yeah, I'm going down with

955
00:50:06,060 --> 00:50:07,920
Adam again. Let's go.

956
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:12,480
He's built different. He's built
different. Man, he can hear five

957
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,800
different people talking at one
time. Encode it all, internalize

958
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:20,160
it while he's doing other stuff.
Yeah, you know, it's wild.

959
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,580
I'm relatively patient, like,
from being an educator, but,

960
00:50:22,580 --> 00:50:26,180
like, if I got five people
talking at me, like, Whoa, yeah,

961
00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:28,820
that's how I would be, yeah, one
at a time, please. Yeah,

962
00:50:29,300 --> 00:50:32,240
yeah. So what about the stuff
that you're, uh, producing.

963
00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:35,240
You're looking for talent all
the time. Yeah, scouting you?

964
00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:37,520
Are you looking at tick tock?
You just out on the town

965
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,920
watching showcases? Where do you
Where are you finding these

966
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:41,080
folks that you want to work

967
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,140
with. For me, producing usually
comes from writing. So whenever

968
00:50:44,140 --> 00:50:48,760
I'm writing with an artist and
I'm working on the demo, if they

969
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,700
like the demo, they go, Hey,
let's do a record together, or

970
00:50:51,700 --> 00:50:54,160
we'll write some more, or
whatever. So a lot of the a lot

971
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,280
of the production stuff I've
done has stemmed from just

972
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,700
writing with people, and so it's
a natural progression. I'm

973
00:51:00,700 --> 00:51:03,480
producing a record right now for
an artist that's actually in

974
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:07,800
Egypt, and they just hit me up,
like online, and it's really

975
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,320
close to how we wrote the whole
record together, lot of doom

976
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:15,480
back in there. Yeah, right.
Yeah. It's interesting, because

977
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,940
it's like more of a pop record.
Yeah, the artist is from

978
00:51:17,940 --> 00:51:20,660
California, but has lived in
Egypt for a little while. Yeah,

979
00:51:20,660 --> 00:51:24,740
and yeah, we wrote the record
remotely. I would send her

980
00:51:24,740 --> 00:51:28,580
tracks and stuff, and she would
write and sing on her phone,

981
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,480
melodies and lyrics. Send me her
vocals. I would chop that up and

982
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:36,080
arrange it all, you know. And
then she flew here, and we did

983
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,360
the record last week. So cool.
It's amazing. Yeah.

984
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:43,060
Now, do you have your like, your
ear contracts, like, here's my

985
00:51:43,060 --> 00:51:44,920
production contract, boom, yeah,

986
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,700
yeah, get it out of the way,
yeah, yeah. We usually talk. I

987
00:51:48,700 --> 00:51:51,340
like to talk about that stuff
beforehand, just so it's not so

988
00:51:51,580 --> 00:51:54,760
everybody's expectations are
set, you know. So you know, you

989
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,040
know what you're getting into.
You know, everybody knows what's

990
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:03,060
up and yeah, so do all that. And
I enjoy producing. It's just a,

991
00:52:03,060 --> 00:52:06,960
it's a totally different hat to
wear, because, you know, in the

992
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,380
session world, when you're done,
when that in that three, six

993
00:52:10,380 --> 00:52:14,220
hour, nine hour block, you're
done, you know, you go home and

994
00:52:14,220 --> 00:52:17,100
you don't see those sessions
ever again. When you're

995
00:52:17,100 --> 00:52:20,840
producing, it's like, so I'm,
I'm like, cutting vocals,

996
00:52:20,900 --> 00:52:24,560
editing vocals, tuning vocals,
doing harmonies with the artist.

997
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,860
I might sing some as well,
playing extra synth parts,

998
00:52:27,860 --> 00:52:30,440
guitar parts, incredible. Man,
yeah. So it's kind of like

999
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:34,700
renaissance man building it all,
you know, and then yeah, and I

1000
00:52:34,700 --> 00:52:37,700
enjoy it. It's just a different
creative outlet for me, yeah,

1001
00:52:37,700 --> 00:52:41,080
you know? And well, you're still
so young and you're already

1002
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:41,680
doing a lot, yeah?

1003
00:52:41,679 --> 00:52:43,779
Just like, Yeah, do it again.

1004
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,000
Do it better, yeah? But,

1005
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,060
I mean, yeah, you're in, you're
not even 40 years old, so, like,

1006
00:52:49,060 --> 00:52:52,780
this is a town like, you can
just keep working out, just keep

1007
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:56,440
growing and adding these skill
sets. And I can't imagine where

1008
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,960
you're going to be, like, 55
years old. I mean, you probably

1009
00:52:58,960 --> 00:52:59,740
winning Grammys.

1010
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,280
That would be, that would be
awesome. Yeah, that's, that's

1011
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,700
the goal, yeah, yeah. And so I
just enjoy it. You know, if I

1012
00:53:05,700 --> 00:53:08,160
was doing the same thing every
day, I'd probably get bored,

1013
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,160
yeah? Even tracking, like, if I
was to track at home every day,

1014
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,340
I'd probably get bored with it,
yeah? And if I wasn't tracking

1015
00:53:14,340 --> 00:53:17,340
at home at all, I would be like,
Man, I want to, I want to do

1016
00:53:17,340 --> 00:53:19,560
that. Yeah? So it's nice to mix
it

1017
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,760
up. And we were covered the
same, if you know what I mean,

1018
00:53:22,820 --> 00:53:25,280
we're, yeah, we're recording the
same song,

1019
00:53:26,540 --> 00:53:28,400
six or seven songs, yeah.

1020
00:53:28,460 --> 00:53:32,120
Is it a six eight? Is is it the
cute little thing with the bar

1021
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,960
four and the bar two, right? Or
but, you know, the bar three and

1022
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,180
the bar two, they kind of go
back and forth with each other,

1023
00:53:38,180 --> 00:53:41,060
yeah? Is it the definitely not a
shuffle, because we're not doing

1024
00:53:41,060 --> 00:53:43,840
shuffles anymore. It's rare.
Unfortunately, you know, is it

1025
00:53:44,140 --> 00:53:45,040
the trap at the

1026
00:53:46,179 --> 00:53:47,979
75 beats per minute? Yeah?

1027
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,220
Like that pattern probably a
probably 100,000

1028
00:53:55,420 --> 00:53:57,580
times. Yeah? And humans actually
pull that off.

1029
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,360
Oh yeah. Pat stuff,

1030
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,060
if you got the SPDs right next
to

1031
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,960
you, little five stroke rolls.
Yeah,

1032
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:09,660
right, yeah, exactly.

1033
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:15,120
Man, yeah. Jim, what comes to
mind for you? What do you want

1034
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,760
to know from this? This young
man is on fire. I mean, he's

1035
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,720
like, you know, winning the
awards. He's doing the thing

1036
00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:24,500
he's booked. What's, what's the
schedule? I mean, you get into

1037
00:54:24,500 --> 00:54:26,960
like, scheduling conference,
like, Oh no, I'm with dad this

1038
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,540
week. And then like, Can you
wait till the end of the month?

1039
00:54:29,660 --> 00:54:32,120
Awesome, crazy. It's exactly
what I was gonna ask. Sorry,

1040
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:32,660
Jim. Thanks.

1041
00:54:32,660 --> 00:54:35,060
Thanks for while I asked you. I
thought something that I just

1042
00:54:35,060 --> 00:54:35,360
wanted

1043
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:39,620
to check scheduling, I think, is
one of the more difficult

1044
00:54:39,620 --> 00:54:43,960
aspects to juggle in what and
what I do like, because

1045
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,560
sometimes, you know, you'll be
booked out for however long with

1046
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:51,160
somebody, and then you get a
master session or something that

1047
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:55,600
might, it's, you know, that
might just pay more, you know.

1048
00:54:55,660 --> 00:54:58,960
And you kind of, there's back
end money with those things too,

1049
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:02,460
that you have to like, Can.
Sitter and so. So for me, yeah,

1050
00:55:02,460 --> 00:55:06,480
it's just juggling
personalities. Who can I smooth

1051
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:10,560
this over? Can we look at maybe
another date? Or, if not, I'm so

1052
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,320
sorry, but I can help you find
somebody else that will do a

1053
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:14,820
great job. You know, if

1054
00:55:14,819 --> 00:55:18,959
you get hired for a custom
recording for some guy you know,

1055
00:55:19,499 --> 00:55:22,939
Joe from Montana that comes in,
and he's got a whole day booked.

1056
00:55:22,999 --> 00:55:25,939
Yeah, and then, and then Dan
Huff calls. Yeah, you

1057
00:55:25,939 --> 00:55:28,759
have to do the Dan Huff thing.
You try to send somebody else,

1058
00:55:28,819 --> 00:55:32,479
yeah, yeah. And, and everybody
gets it. Like the people that do

1059
00:55:32,479 --> 00:55:36,019
this a lot totally understand,
yep, it's only the people that

1060
00:55:36,199 --> 00:55:39,319
aren't really in the business,
or aren't necessarily. And this

1061
00:55:39,319 --> 00:55:43,119
sounds bad, but like doing it at
a high level, you understand?

1062
00:55:43,179 --> 00:55:45,339
And you've had to do that same
thing, like, Hey, man, something

1063
00:55:45,339 --> 00:55:47,739
else comes up. People bail on
me. Like, if I'm producing

1064
00:55:47,739 --> 00:55:50,139
something like that. Just
happened recently. Hey, so

1065
00:55:50,139 --> 00:55:53,499
sorry. Had a day of masters come
up. Can't do no worries.

1066
00:55:53,499 --> 00:55:56,259
Totally. Get it all good. We'll
find somebody else. Yeah,

1067
00:55:56,259 --> 00:55:59,379
there's so many great musicians
in this town. You know you're,

1068
00:55:59,379 --> 00:56:01,679
you're gonna be, they're gonna
be okay, yeah? I

1069
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,500
hear it's a music town, yeah,
yeah, big music town.

1070
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:08,400
Well, somebody amazing will be
available to come in and help. I

1071
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:09,900
mean, the pool is deep.

1072
00:56:10,140 --> 00:56:13,020
Hey guys, I'm all I'm always
available if you want something

1073
00:56:13,020 --> 00:56:15,780
to sound bad, let me know, Jim's

1074
00:56:15,780 --> 00:56:17,280
got a nice, natural feeling.
Let's

1075
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:18,120
go. Come on,

1076
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:21,200
Jim. I cut you off. I'm so
sorry, buddy. What? What were

1077
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:21,980
you thinking about?

1078
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:26,660
I was going back. I took a note
on you have like you noticed

1079
00:56:26,660 --> 00:56:30,740
that the guy, Bruce drove an S
10? Are you one of those guys

1080
00:56:30,740 --> 00:56:33,920
who memorizes the cars that
people drive?

1081
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,580
I've never thought about that,
but I kind of Yeah,

1082
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:42,040
you see why you do the same
thing rich. I mean, when you I

1083
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:42,220
have

1084
00:56:42,220 --> 00:56:45,040
a weird thing, I memorize
people's email addresses. Really

1085
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:49,540
bizarre. Yeah, man, yeah, you're
like, AOL, right?

1086
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:54,820
Yeah, if it's, if it's unique
and just odd, then it's hard to

1087
00:56:54,820 --> 00:56:57,880
forget. But yeah, I feel like
sometimes with it's like

1088
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:01,080
musicians, they play a lot of
times, like their personality,

1089
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,380
you know, yeah, and a lot of
times someone's car is kind of

1090
00:57:04,380 --> 00:57:07,140
like their personality a little
bit too. And so it just whenever

1091
00:57:07,140 --> 00:57:10,620
that's really connected, and it
goes together really well. It

1092
00:57:10,620 --> 00:57:12,180
sticks in my brain. When you

1093
00:57:12,180 --> 00:57:15,060
pull up to a session, you see a
beamer there. You kind of like,

1094
00:57:15,060 --> 00:57:17,220
um, yeah. Oh crap,

1095
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,140
Beamer. Here they are. They

1096
00:57:21,140 --> 00:57:22,340
must be leading the session.

1097
00:57:23,300 --> 00:57:26,240
Yes. Mercedes guy, yeah,

1098
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:30,260
only because, but I was never, I
never thought I'd be one, a

1099
00:57:30,260 --> 00:57:34,580
Mercedes guy. I sold cars once
upon a time, and I first started

1100
00:57:34,580 --> 00:57:37,340
selling Honda, which made sense,
because we drove a Honda Odyssey

1101
00:57:37,340 --> 00:57:40,600
for the family. It was our, you
know, the the the family

1102
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:44,080
truckster, and I had a customer
tell me that you need to be

1103
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:47,920
selling Highline. And at the
time, the company that I worked

1104
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:53,740
for had Porsche, Audi, BMW,
Mercedes. Mercedes had an

1105
00:57:53,740 --> 00:57:55,720
opening. I put in for a
transfer. I'm like, Sure, I'll

1106
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:59,320
give it a shot. I never knew I
would fall head over heels for a

1107
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:03,540
German vehicle. I know, right,
crazy. They're meant to go fast.

1108
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,960
But no, Mercedes is comfy.
That's comfort. You're you're

1109
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:10,320
going to be comfortable in it.
BMWs. You feel it in the

1110
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,560
steering wheel. You feel the
rise in the seat. Yeah, and

1111
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,780
Thomas Lang and I, we kind of
went head to head with our

1112
00:58:15,780 --> 00:58:18,420
conversation about about the
cars. Yeah, really, he's a

1113
00:58:18,420 --> 00:58:20,840
beamer guy, and I was a
Mercedes. There you go. And I

1114
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,140
told him, I say no, BMW
backwards stands for he goes,

1115
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,780
No. I said, watts, Mercedes
Benz.

1116
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:34,160
Hey, come off, bud. Just
whenever they

1117
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:37,820
start to sound bad, yeah, um,
Greg Morrow, he's like, he's

1118
00:58:37,820 --> 00:58:39,200
like, I like to keep those
tones.

1119
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,340
They've been on forever, for
decades, and they still sound

1120
00:58:42,340 --> 00:58:48,100
great. Man smooth whites that he
uses, yeah, yeah, for me, it's

1121
00:58:48,100 --> 00:58:51,580
maybe once. It just depends,
like, on my Cartage kit,

1122
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:56,980
probably once a month. You know,
snare drums more often, for

1123
00:58:56,980 --> 00:59:01,800
sure, yeah, I could just hear it
like, whenever I can't tune it

1124
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,560
how I want to, or if it starts
to sound a little too Slappy

1125
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:06,180
bounding, then it's like, gotta

1126
00:59:06,180 --> 00:59:08,820
go. Do you use lug locks for
your rim shots?

1127
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:12,600
I do, yeah. Drone, lifesaver,
the tama makes some that are

1128
00:59:12,780 --> 00:59:17,220
incredible, yeah, yeah. They're
like, black and red, and they're

1129
00:59:17,220 --> 00:59:21,080
kind of like diamond shaped, ah,
they work the best of anything

1130
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:25,040
that I've ever used. Like, yeah,
they're awesome. Speaking

1131
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:28,940
of drum kit endorsements, are
they going to be? I mean, who

1132
00:59:28,940 --> 00:59:31,820
here endorses Tama? Tama is not
too much of a country. Lonnie

1133
00:59:31,820 --> 00:59:32,660
Wilson,

1134
00:59:33,020 --> 00:59:37,220
Tama guy, they're a great
drummer. Others, they're great,

1135
00:59:37,220 --> 00:59:41,200
yeah, they're incredible. And
like Peter Erskine said Tama.

1136
00:59:41,260 --> 00:59:43,720
Tama guy, I always say Tom,
yeah, I don't know tama,

1137
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:47,260
Tama potato, pasty feisty, yeah,
exactly. But

1138
00:59:47,260 --> 00:59:51,160
they, they've kind of come into
a different market recently,

1139
00:59:51,220 --> 00:59:53,860
yeah, where it's like, not just
rock stuff, because they've kind

1140
00:59:53,860 --> 00:59:57,400
of been more known as, like,
Rock Metal, yeah, but they're,

1141
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,920
they're making, like, Great kits
that sound a little bit more.

1142
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,320
Into G or coming to more open.
Uh, Ronnie CASP is another

1143
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,980
drummer, so I did this Zildjian
event last year, last fall, up

1144
01:00:07,980 --> 01:00:11,460
in Boston. Yeah, honoring Eddie
bears. They're doing their it

1145
01:00:11,460 --> 01:00:15,540
was their 400th year anniversary
of being a company. Zildjian.

1146
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:21,380
Zildjian, Yeah, crazy. 1623,
like, wow. Oldest music company

1147
01:00:21,380 --> 01:00:24,440
in the world, yeah, anyway, um,
and they were also inducting

1148
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:26,720
some of their drummers into
their Hall of Fame. Eddie Bayers

1149
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,960
was one of those. So they hit me
up and said, Hey, can, can you

1150
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:33,200
come up and play in honor of
Eddie? You know, absolutely, of

1151
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:36,920
course, big time. So there was
some, like, it was just a ton of

1152
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:40,840
incredible drummers. I was just
like, why am I here? You know,

1153
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,840
like, what am I? I'm, like,
going up to Antonio Sanchez,

1154
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:47,860
going, like, you're a god, I
love what you do. Birdman, yeah,

1155
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,860
yeah. Birdman, which, like,
talking about music bed stuff

1156
01:00:50,860 --> 01:00:54,820
earlier. Oh, yeah, I got that
idea to do an all drum kind of

1157
01:00:54,820 --> 01:00:57,040
cinematic project from him,

1158
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,080
like, musicbed.com has been
piquing my interest. It's, yeah,

1159
01:01:01,140 --> 01:01:04,740
it's licensed music you can
license. But instead of, like,

1160
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:10,500
full songs for films, it's more
of, like, the bed, yeah, no, not

1161
01:01:10,500 --> 01:01:12,240
no lyrics. Well, there

1162
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,460
are some on there, yeah?
Production, like, there's a

1163
01:01:14,460 --> 01:01:17,460
bunch, yeah. So they have
everything, anything that you

1164
01:01:17,460 --> 01:01:20,100
would ever want, like,
musically, like, if you were

1165
01:01:20,100 --> 01:01:24,260
wanting to put it in a
commercial or a film or a video

1166
01:01:24,260 --> 01:01:26,720
for a wedding or whatever, you
know, you can find that on

1167
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:33,260
there. And, yeah, so I had the
idea to do just drums because I

1168
01:01:33,260 --> 01:01:36,260
had seen, you know, Birdman,
obviously that movie, Antonio

1169
01:01:36,260 --> 01:01:39,080
Sanchez scored all the music for
it, and most of it is just

1170
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:44,200
drums. And it's like some at a
time, kind of free jazz ish

1171
01:01:44,500 --> 01:01:47,500
stuff, which is really piqued my
interest, just because it's so

1172
01:01:47,500 --> 01:01:50,980
different than anything that I
do, yeah, you know. And then I

1173
01:01:50,980 --> 01:01:53,620
would watch, like, some
commercials I would see there

1174
01:01:53,620 --> 01:01:56,740
were just drums, and I'm going,
Okay, this is, I've never

1175
01:01:56,740 --> 01:02:00,040
noticed that, but this is a
thing. So reached out to them,

1176
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:03,000
and they were interested in it,
and did a project for them, and

1177
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:06,240
it did really well. And, I mean,
there are companies in Paris,

1178
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:10,500
France, like clothing companies,
that will use my drum songs, you

1179
01:02:10,500 --> 01:02:13,320
know, drum songs, like, for
their ads and stuff. Yeah,

1180
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:14,160
really cool. Like,

1181
01:02:14,580 --> 01:02:17,940
did you have to call them to do
the project? Or is it a thing

1182
01:02:17,940 --> 01:02:21,380
where, like, basically, you, you
sign up an account, and you load

1183
01:02:21,380 --> 01:02:23,420
your stuff up, and you throw
your hat in the ring, right?

1184
01:02:23,420 --> 01:02:24,320
Anybody can do it,

1185
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:28,700
not anybody can do it. They kind
of have to approve the idea. And

1186
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:33,020
so I had some, I had produced
some things, produced some

1187
01:02:33,020 --> 01:02:35,840
records with artists that had a
relationship with that company.

1188
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:40,540
And so I was already involved in
the company. And so that, I

1189
01:02:40,540 --> 01:02:43,060
guess, kind of helped with the
relationship was already there,

1190
01:02:43,060 --> 01:02:45,160
and I just had the idea and
said, Hey, would you guys be

1191
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:49,360
interested in this? And they
were, yeah. So I've done like,

1192
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:52,900
four or five different projects
now within nice and it's great

1193
01:02:52,900 --> 01:02:56,380
because I can, I can do it for
my place, and mix everything and

1194
01:02:56,380 --> 01:02:57,760
do it all myself. I kind

1195
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:01,380
of use that Birdman thing as an
inspiration, because this actor,

1196
01:03:01,380 --> 01:03:05,220
Larry Romano, reached out to me
last year, and he was on this

1197
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:08,700
show called King of Queens,
yeah, and he, but he's also a

1198
01:03:08,700 --> 01:03:11,220
film director, and he has a
movie coming out. It's going to

1199
01:03:11,220 --> 01:03:13,680
hit the festival circuit called
Saturday in the park. And he

1200
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:16,680
goes, I want this score to be
almost all wrong. That's

1201
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:20,420
awesome. So, you know. So we
went over to Tony Morris house,

1202
01:03:20,420 --> 01:03:23,180
and, you know, because Tony has
way more outboard gear than I do

1203
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:25,820
these, yeah, and it's nice to
work with another drummer,

1204
01:03:25,940 --> 01:03:28,160
right, you know, because we can
get each other inside each

1205
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:31,220
other's head, yeah, absolutely,
you know. And so, so hopefully

1206
01:03:31,220 --> 01:03:33,320
that'll see the light of death.
That's so cool, man. A lot of

1207
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:33,740
drums,

1208
01:03:33,739 --> 01:03:36,619
it's such a different way to
create than what we normally do,

1209
01:03:36,619 --> 01:03:40,779
because you're kind of, you have
to think a little bit more like

1210
01:03:41,019 --> 01:03:44,079
you're like, punching certain
spots, you know, like you're not

1211
01:03:44,079 --> 01:03:47,499
necessarily playing a form of a
song. I mean, you kind of are,

1212
01:03:47,499 --> 01:03:50,499
but it's just like a different
style of a song, yeah? And so I

1213
01:03:50,499 --> 01:03:53,919
would think, like, sometimes,
honestly, like, I would throw up

1214
01:03:53,919 --> 01:03:59,139
movies from YouTube and have it
with no sound, and then play to

1215
01:03:59,139 --> 01:04:01,619
the movie. That's smart. So it
would like, kind of create

1216
01:04:01,619 --> 01:04:06,479
certain hits or certain peaks,
emotion on the drums, you know,

1217
01:04:06,839 --> 01:04:10,499
and I did a lot of that stuff
with Tommy G at MTSU, like he

1218
01:04:10,499 --> 01:04:15,839
would go, I want you to play
like clouds. And I'm like,

1219
01:04:15,839 --> 01:04:16,439
that's cool.

1220
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:19,800
What is that? Lot of symbol
swells, maybe, yeah,

1221
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:23,000
or like, mallets on the Tom
swells, or just like a certain

1222
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,640
thing, he's like, okay, now I
want you to play like fire, or I

1223
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:29,300
want you to play like rocks, or
I want you to play like you're

1224
01:04:29,300 --> 01:04:32,780
mad or you're sad or whatever,
you know, evoking a certain

1225
01:04:32,780 --> 01:04:35,480
emotion, because that's what
music is, is like conveying

1226
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,840
emotion through your instrument.
And you know, you want to, you

1227
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:40,600
know, have somebody react to
that. We're not

1228
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:42,940
just playing patterns. And then
the occasional Motown. Phil,

1229
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:43,420
right,

1230
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,200
yes, if you want to make money,
yeah,

1231
01:04:49,179 --> 01:04:52,419
that's the money. And then you
have some samples that you got.

1232
01:04:52,419 --> 01:04:52,539
So

1233
01:04:52,540 --> 01:04:54,940
I just did a sample pack a
couple months ago, and you can

1234
01:04:54,940 --> 01:04:59,080
get it at my website. Evan
hutchings.com nice, yeah. And I

1235
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:06,240
made that for. For writers and
producers that want just good

1236
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:09,600
sounding drums to play to, you
know, there's samples, like,

1237
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:13,620
there's one shots in there of,
like, just kick snares toms,

1238
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:16,920
like, with a tight mix and with
a roomy mix, you know, and then

1239
01:05:17,220 --> 01:05:20,600
grooves and all different
tempos, dry mix where it's real

1240
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:24,200
tight, and then a big rock kind
of roomy thing, and fills and

1241
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,020
swells. I mean, it's the whole,
the whole shebang, smart. It was

1242
01:05:27,020 --> 01:05:30,020
fun. It was a blast to make.
Man, I'm actually working on

1243
01:05:30,020 --> 01:05:31,820
another one right now. It's
really cool.

1244
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:34,580
I got, I got a couple of
packages with yurt rock, I don't

1245
01:05:34,580 --> 01:05:36,800
know. Yeah, those guys are
awesome. That's a great company.

1246
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:41,200
Man, they're, they're like, the
biggest Ryan. He spends a lot of

1247
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:44,500
money on advertising, and he
gets the word out, yeah, you see

1248
01:05:44,500 --> 01:05:47,260
it all, all the time. But
practical, I'm always thinking

1249
01:05:47,260 --> 01:05:49,960
practical, because there's so
many loop packages and things

1250
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:52,360
out there that are just,
they're, they're almost too

1251
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:56,380
smart and almost unusable. Yeah,
let's do some knucklehead things

1252
01:05:56,380 --> 01:05:59,140
that somebody that wants to play
a three court country song two

1253
01:05:59,140 --> 01:06:01,320
can just immediately pull up
absolutely,

1254
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:03,780
sounds great, feels great. You
don't have to think about it.

1255
01:06:03,780 --> 01:06:07,440
Yeah, and so, and then,
ultimately, too, like, I'll be

1256
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:12,000
on sessions where the demo was
made with the drums from my

1257
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:15,060
sample pack. I love it. They're
like, well, you can just go grab

1258
01:06:15,060 --> 01:06:18,720
some coffee if you want, or
record it. You know, amazing,

1259
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:21,380
but it's cool, you know, it's
cool. It's kind of connecting

1260
01:06:21,380 --> 01:06:23,600
with people. And, yeah, it's the
same thing, like, what you're

1261
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:27,920
talking about. It's not overly
processed. So many sample packs

1262
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,800
are, like, the guys were just
bored. It sounds like, you know,

1263
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:33,080
and just like, throwing every
plug in on here, and, like,

1264
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:36,560
we're gonna blow this up and,
like, all those, which is fun to

1265
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:39,920
do, right? But then in like, a
practical setting for what we

1266
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:43,120
see in this area code that's not
really usable, you

1267
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:45,580
know? It's kind of like
scrolling through a Roland

1268
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:50,200
electronic drum kit. Yeah, the
TD kits, and like, 90% of the

1269
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:52,120
sounds on there are completely
unusable, right?

1270
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:54,100
They're fun to play for a
minute, right? But then, if you

1271
01:06:54,100 --> 01:06:57,040
want to, like, actually use them
practical, you're gonna go with

1272
01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:57,580
the classic,

1273
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:00,660
you know, this,

1274
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:05,580
I guess that could be used. That
was a bad example. That was

1275
01:07:05,580 --> 01:07:07,020
great sample

1276
01:07:07,020 --> 01:07:10,260
that, yeah, something like that.
Could, you know, hey, just throw

1277
01:07:10,260 --> 01:07:12,720
it in. Just, you know, give him
as many as we possibly can,

1278
01:07:12,780 --> 01:07:13,200
yeah,

1279
01:07:13,319 --> 01:07:16,679
yeah. That's fun. It's funny.
Guitar Center. That was me when

1280
01:07:16,679 --> 01:07:19,739
I was a kid. Man is on that
electric kids on Saturday,

1281
01:07:19,799 --> 01:07:20,719
Saturday morning, I

1282
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:23,420
want to hit the stadium setting.

1283
01:07:24,620 --> 01:07:29,300
Yeah, that's very inspiring. So
are you? What are you?

1284
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:31,880
Who are your favorite rumors
coming up? I was just sitting

1285
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:32,480
there, right?

1286
01:07:32,780 --> 01:07:37,100
Oh god, yeah. I mean he's like
the recording goat, you know,

1287
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:39,680
we're just holding it down. And
he died,

1288
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:45,220
tragic, like one year older than
you get that entire body of

1289
01:07:45,220 --> 01:07:45,700
work. It's

1290
01:07:45,700 --> 01:07:49,960
nuts. Man, crazy. No, he's 30.
He wasn't 3838 really? Yeah,

1291
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:55,300
it's so crazy. Yeah, crazy. So
yeah, him. Jim Keltner, early

1292
01:07:55,300 --> 01:07:59,140
on, was like a big influence.
Matt Chamberlain, nice, um, a

1293
01:07:59,140 --> 01:08:02,520
lot of lot of jazz guy like
Stanton Moore was a big

1294
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:05,340
influence on me. Early on, he
took some lessons with him,

1295
01:08:05,340 --> 01:08:07,920
yeah, whenever you know, he'd be
here doing clinics. And then,

1296
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:12,000
teacher, great. Teacher, yeah,
like that that I had a little

1297
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:16,620
like, New Orleans second line
band in my hometown, and we

1298
01:08:16,620 --> 01:08:18,840
would play at this Cajun
restaurant like every Thursday

1299
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:21,200
night. That's cool. It was super
cool. So it was like, just kick

1300
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:27,260
drum, snare, cowbell, ride and a
hi hat, and so just, and I was

1301
01:08:27,260 --> 01:08:30,560
like, all over the Stanton Moore
stuff, like, had his book, and

1302
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:33,680
was just like, eating it up,
yeah? So I just go there and

1303
01:08:33,740 --> 01:08:35,420
just kind of like, practice all

1304
01:08:36,500 --> 01:08:39,260
that stuff down to a sticking it
really

1305
01:08:39,260 --> 01:08:42,400
is, yeah, and it's really basic.
It's not anything crazy. It's

1306
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:45,460
just, and then what you do with
that, you know, is what makes it

1307
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:49,660
music. But, um, yeah, Matt
Chamberlain, he was a big

1308
01:08:49,660 --> 01:08:53,200
influence on me, early on, just
kind of looking up online,

1309
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:55,900
what's he using? Because I love,
always love the sounds of his

1310
01:08:55,900 --> 01:08:59,080
drums on records like Fiona
Apple stuff, or, you know, the

1311
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:02,580
wall flowers, all, I mean. And
then, you know, spanning that

1312
01:09:02,580 --> 01:09:07,080
from like Kanye West, and like
all these the, the his

1313
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:10,380
discography is crazy, yeah,
yeah, confusing him with the

1314
01:09:10,380 --> 01:09:13,200
drummer from Pearl Jam, that's
right, Matt Cameron. Cameron,

1315
01:09:13,260 --> 01:09:16,320
yeah, that's right. Also a great
drummer, yep. And there's also

1316
01:09:16,380 --> 01:09:17,520
Jay Chamberlain, too,

1317
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:19,020
yeah, Jimmy Chamberlain,

1318
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:23,660
Matt. Matt's a big risk taker,
real out of the box thinker, and

1319
01:09:23,660 --> 01:09:26,840
a man a few words. He looks the
drums do the talk. Yeah,

1320
01:09:26,900 --> 01:09:29,780
he is. And he kind of, he was
always, it seemed like he was

1321
01:09:29,780 --> 01:09:32,420
always recording himself too,
which was interesting to me.

1322
01:09:32,480 --> 01:09:35,900
Yeah, so it's okay, like, what
mice is he using? What's and, I

1323
01:09:35,900 --> 01:09:38,180
mean, it couldn't buy any of
that stuff, but I would just at

1324
01:09:38,180 --> 01:09:40,900
least see it, you know, and go,
Okay, maybe that sounds like

1325
01:09:40,900 --> 01:09:43,600
this, or this is before YouTube,
obviously, right? You

1326
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,060
know, you know, I'm glad to see
getting their due a little bit

1327
01:09:46,060 --> 01:09:48,820
lately, at least on social
media, is Brooks Wackerman,

1328
01:09:49,180 --> 01:09:51,400
yeah, he's amazing, incredible.

1329
01:09:52,060 --> 01:09:54,580
The whole Wackerman family,
they're all crazy. Good

1330
01:09:54,580 --> 01:09:58,180
drummers, yeah, um, family
business. He just needed to get

1331
01:09:58,180 --> 01:10:02,760
that job. That's a. Big job and
put them. It's like, here, it's

1332
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:06,840
a big platform for sevenfold.
Yeah, yeah,

1333
01:10:06,900 --> 01:10:07,560
incredible.

1334
01:10:07,860 --> 01:10:10,380
Is there any, like, sleepers in
there where they're like, Oh, I

1335
01:10:10,380 --> 01:10:13,320
wouldn't think that would be an
influence, like some weird rock

1336
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:14,760
metal dude or something. Oh,

1337
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:17,040
yeah. That's a good question.
Well, I grew up on, well,

1338
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:19,680
Christian music. I wasn't really
allowed to listen to anything

1339
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:22,640
non Christian when I was for a
while, yeah, wow, until I

1340
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:25,700
discovered Led Zeppelin,
there's, like, a lot of Sonic

1341
01:10:25,700 --> 01:10:28,160
flood DC talk. Yeah, it was,
like my first concert ever. Was

1342
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:33,440
DC talk, yeah. So I grew up
hearing Chris McHugh, Chad

1343
01:10:33,440 --> 01:10:36,560
Cromwell, Dan Needham, Scott
Williamson, you know, Steve

1344
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:39,980
Brewster. And I didn't know it,
you know, I would look at the

1345
01:10:39,980 --> 01:10:43,960
credits, but I didn't know who
those guys really were, yeah. So

1346
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:47,380
that's just all in there. It's
all in me, you know, just

1347
01:10:47,380 --> 01:10:50,680
ingrained in there. So whenever,
whenever I work with slows. It's

1348
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:54,280
just like two peas in a pod
because you've been listening,

1349
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:57,460
or like, Mark Hill, yeah, oh
yeah, been listening to his bass

1350
01:10:57,460 --> 01:11:01,200
playing since I could walk. You
know, Scott's

1351
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:03,180
son works for us here. Oh,
really, that's

1352
01:11:03,179 --> 01:11:05,219
cool, yeah, video producer,
that's

1353
01:11:05,219 --> 01:11:08,039
awesome. He's made a nice he
made a couple of nice videos for

1354
01:11:08,039 --> 01:11:10,199
me. Great kid. Yeah, it's cool.
The

1355
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:13,680
movie, that thing you do, that's
what made me really want to get

1356
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:23,060
a drum set, really, yeah? Kenny,
yeah. So after I saw that movie,

1357
01:11:23,060 --> 01:11:26,120
I'm like, Okay, I want to be
that guy. Yeah, that's what I

1358
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:28,400
want to do. My parents, like,
all right, you got to clean out

1359
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:32,240
the garage, and then we'll get
you a kid. So did it, and they

1360
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:36,440
did nice first kid it was, it
was actually a knockoff of a

1361
01:11:36,440 --> 01:11:39,320
pearl export. It was just an
expo

1362
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:43,360
by Piero, by

1363
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:44,980
Yeah, Pierre, I don't

1364
01:11:46,660 --> 01:11:50,680
even know. I mean, it was just,
it was like, yeah, just

1365
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:53,740
probably, like, 200 to 300
bucks, and the kids sounded

1366
01:11:53,740 --> 01:11:56,440
amazing. Like, what we were
talking about, did you hold onto

1367
01:11:56,440 --> 01:11:59,560
it? You still got it? Yeah,
folks, place, the Tom, the kick

1368
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:04,500
and the Tom sounded incredible.
Do some new heads on it. And, I

1369
01:12:04,500 --> 01:12:07,320
mean, I could, you could record
with it, you know, like a

1370
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:10,740
certain sound, you know, had all
my favorite band stickers on the

1371
01:12:10,740 --> 01:12:15,000
front and stuff with that tour
of that kid, a bunch. But was it

1372
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,820
brand new? When you got it, it
was, it was brand new, and a red

1373
01:12:17,820 --> 01:12:22,580
bow on the front, yeah, and I
annoyed the crap out of my

1374
01:12:22,580 --> 01:12:24,320
sisters. I got that kit.

1375
01:12:24,380 --> 01:12:28,220
I had dictionaries, dictionaries
and encyclopedias for my first

1376
01:12:28,220 --> 01:12:31,460
drum kit on a bed. Yeah, nice.
Hey,

1377
01:12:31,460 --> 01:12:34,220
that'll work, man, that worked
for Dave Grohl. That's right, he

1378
01:12:34,220 --> 01:12:36,320
learned how how to play on
pillows. I learned how to play,

1379
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:41,860
I will say probably he's, he's
my number one, yeah, influence

1380
01:12:41,860 --> 01:12:43,540
wise, right now, at least, yeah,

1381
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:48,280
he's not underrated, though.
Like, if you have to pick out

1382
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:51,280
who is an underrated drummer
right now, and you're like, Who

1383
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:52,480
comes to mind right now?

1384
01:12:53,139 --> 01:12:56,679
Uh, Ronnie caspy, the drummer I
was just talking about. She was

1385
01:12:56,679 --> 01:13:02,339
a girl, she from Israel, and a
monster, monster drummer,

1386
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:03,120
Ronnie CASP,

1387
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:07,680
Ronnie caspy. R o, n, i, k, A,
S, P, I check her out. She's got

1388
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:10,740
her own stuff. She's got her own
records. She plays with Avi Shai

1389
01:13:10,740 --> 01:13:15,900
Cohen, Israeli jazz guy, yeah,
Trio. And she went to Berkeley,

1390
01:13:15,900 --> 01:13:20,160
like, just a couple years ago,
left Berkeley and is, like, now,

1391
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:22,700
like she played at the Zildjian
event. That's how I met her. I

1392
01:13:22,700 --> 01:13:25,700
didn't, I didn't know of her
before that, and we're all like

1393
01:13:25,700 --> 01:13:28,400
me and Aaron spears and Adam
deitsch and all these guys

1394
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:31,880
hanging backstage. And you could
see at rehearsal, there was a

1395
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:35,180
TV, you know, broadcasting what
was going on on the stage. And

1396
01:13:35,180 --> 01:13:38,840
when she started playing,
everybody shut up. And was like,

1397
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:40,100
Good, yeah, she has

1398
01:13:40,820 --> 01:13:43,060
interesting choices,

1399
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:47,380
interesting phrases, like her
chops, her energy, just like,

1400
01:13:47,620 --> 01:13:51,340
ferocious on the kit. I mean,
she sits up. She's tiny. She's

1401
01:13:51,340 --> 01:13:56,020
probably, like, five one, you
know, and like, 100 pounds,

1402
01:13:56,260 --> 01:14:00,220
hairs, like pink, you know, like
she gets on the kit and she sits

1403
01:14:00,220 --> 01:14:04,140
up super high and just
demolishes the drum. Wow. Check

1404
01:14:04,140 --> 01:14:06,240
her out. It was amazing, yeah,
check her out.

1405
01:14:06,300 --> 01:14:07,740
Annika nillis,

1406
01:14:08,220 --> 01:14:10,020
Annika Niles. Niles, she's

1407
01:14:10,020 --> 01:14:13,320
amazing. She's incredible. She's
incredible. Yeah, absolutely.

1408
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:13,500
What

1409
01:14:13,740 --> 01:14:15,300
about maytal Cohen,

1410
01:14:15,480 --> 01:14:17,760
you know, haven't heard from her
in a while now,

1411
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:20,480
she kind of, like started a
family, yeah? But she was

1412
01:14:20,480 --> 01:14:23,600
playing, you know, like metal
covers and stuff like that. She

1413
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:23,780
had

1414
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:27,260
a lot of eyes for a long time,
pretty much

1415
01:14:27,500 --> 01:14:29,960
for a reason. She was wearing,
like, lingerie while she was

1416
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:30,320
playing.

1417
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:32,780
That is a trick that the girls
use sometimes. I

1418
01:14:32,780 --> 01:14:34,280
You don't want to see me doing
that.

1419
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:38,360
I try to pull the word off.

1420
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:45,940
That's funny. Get off the drums,
yeah, put on a shirt. But yeah,

1421
01:14:45,940 --> 01:14:50,800
she, she's kind of on, like, the
radar for me. Of like, I'll,

1422
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:53,680
like, just look her up on
YouTube and she'll blow your

1423
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:56,440
mind. Like, instantly, yeah,
whatever she's doing, it's

1424
01:14:56,500 --> 01:14:56,980
amazing.

1425
01:14:57,039 --> 01:14:59,799
Was there a jazz phase when you
were at MTSU with the.

1426
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,640
I think that's all I did,
really, when I was at MTSU. Was,

1427
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:06,480
like, it was a jazz snob kind of
guy, like, like, studying the

1428
01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:09,120
big band drummer, Big Band
drummers, yeah. I mean

1429
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:12,480
everything, like, going all the
way back, you know, like to the

1430
01:15:12,480 --> 01:15:16,320
early dudes, yeah, and then
modern guys as well. Brian blade

1431
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:20,840
was a huge influence on me,
like, so much so that I was

1432
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:23,900
like, trying. I was like,
subconsciously looking like him

1433
01:15:23,900 --> 01:15:26,240
when I was playing, and kind of
moving like him, because he's

1434
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:29,900
really animated when he plays.
And Tommy G, my teacher at the

1435
01:15:29,900 --> 01:15:33,200
time was like, Dude, you gotta
take a break. Stop that. No more

1436
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:38,300
Brian blade for a while. No more
Brian blade. It's affecting your

1437
01:15:38,300 --> 01:15:40,960
playing. Yeah. And then not a
good way, yeah.

1438
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:46,180
Topical things as at the moment,
the Alex Van Halen auction, did

1439
01:15:46,180 --> 01:15:47,140
you pick up anything

1440
01:15:47,260 --> 01:15:52,000
I didn't know? Have your eye on
anything I didn't even know was

1441
01:15:52,060 --> 01:15:56,740
going on? Should have asked that
first. Yeah, no, I didn't know,

1442
01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:59,800
but I'm sure. I mean, there's
some great stuff in there. What

1443
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:01,440
a legendary drummer. You know,

1444
01:16:01,799 --> 01:16:06,719
I'm still shocked at the 1981
Gong, 40 inch pisti Gong with

1445
01:16:06,719 --> 01:16:10,619
the stripes around the the rim.
I guess the holder went

1446
01:16:10,620 --> 01:16:12,300
for like 300 grand or something,
286,000

1447
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:16,980
that's a lot of money for a

1448
01:16:17,039 --> 01:16:19,679
gun. But were you gonna put
that? I guess,

1449
01:16:19,740 --> 01:16:22,820
yeah, that's true. It's probably
a doctor or lawyer definitely

1450
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:23,600
purchased that

1451
01:16:23,660 --> 01:16:24,620
damn doctors and

1452
01:16:24,619 --> 01:16:27,499
lawyers. Isn't it cool that our
parents never said be a doctor

1453
01:16:27,499 --> 01:16:29,479
or a lawyer. They're just, you
wanna play the drums, okay?

1454
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:29,719
Yeah,

1455
01:16:29,780 --> 01:16:32,420
they didn't say that. We just
didn't listen. Yeah, right,

1456
01:16:34,220 --> 01:16:38,540
yeah. I'm super thankful my
parents let me pursue this for a

1457
01:16:38,540 --> 01:16:43,120
career, and they let me go out
on, like, do tours when I was a

1458
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:47,920
teenager, you know, like, leave
home and we, I guess we had cell

1459
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:51,280
phones at the time, but, you
know, we didn't have GPS or

1460
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:53,980
anything. We just print off
Mapquest direction, math quest

1461
01:16:53,980 --> 01:16:56,260
direction. I mean, this is back

1462
01:16:56,260 --> 01:16:58,960
in the day. Yeah, that's what I
used to do, to go do my

1463
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:01,860
substitute teaching. That was my
day job around here when I moved

1464
01:17:01,860 --> 01:17:04,380
here, substitute teach during
the day, then playing the clubs

1465
01:17:04,380 --> 01:17:07,560
at night. You know, that's
awesome. Yeah, just grinding to

1466
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:07,740
that.

1467
01:17:07,740 --> 01:17:10,320
The last time I ever seen you
wear khakis, right, right,

1468
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:11,280
right, right, right.

1469
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:13,980
What are you wearing? Khakis?

1470
01:17:14,039 --> 01:17:16,559
You should. You should actually
do one of these episodes dressed

1471
01:17:16,559 --> 01:17:18,539
how you used to teach with my

1472
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:21,800
roller briefcase. I had a
briefcase

1473
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:25,220
gotta do it. Had to do that. We
should actually do that.

1474
01:17:25,220 --> 01:17:28,340
We should swap looks for one
episode, I should dress like you

1475
01:17:28,340 --> 01:17:30,620
and you should dress like me. I
could, I could put on

1476
01:17:30,620 --> 01:17:32,000
my valet jacket,

1477
01:17:34,700 --> 01:17:36,620
park cars, the sunset grill or
something like, yeah.

1478
01:17:36,620 --> 01:17:39,920
It was like those restaurants
Hillsborough, like private

1479
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:43,600
parties, yeah, like restaurants,
overfweston's, places like that.

1480
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:46,540
I hated it, man, I couldn't even
drive a stick. Did

1481
01:17:46,540 --> 01:17:49,000
you ever get those douche bags?
They were like, Hey kid, be

1482
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:49,540
careful.

1483
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:52,720
Thankfully, no. But there was
one time at a private party with

1484
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:56,440
the owner of the company. I was
like, you guys, I don't drive a

1485
01:17:56,440 --> 01:17:59,380
stick shift. It's just, it's
not, I don't, you know, I'm

1486
01:17:59,380 --> 01:18:03,360
just, if it's so standard, I'm
your guy, you know, or automatic

1487
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:06,900
whatever. Um, cool. Got it?
We'll make a note of that. No

1488
01:18:06,900 --> 01:18:09,900
worries. It's all good. So we're
at this private party, and it

1489
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:12,540
lets out and there's like,
couple 100 people there. It's

1490
01:18:12,540 --> 01:18:17,280
super nice, like, you know,
black tie event. And we're just

1491
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:19,860
running. We're just running. And
gone in and going to get cars,

1492
01:18:19,860 --> 01:18:24,560
whatever. So I get a BMW, that's
a stick shift, super nice car.

1493
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:28,220
And I'm like, oh God. And I
can't, like, go, Hey, can't you

1494
01:18:28,220 --> 01:18:32,120
know, you got to come back.
Yeah, yeah. So got it in

1495
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:35,780
reverse, doing the thing, pull
it up. And, like, I just staying

1496
01:18:35,780 --> 01:18:39,320
in first gear the whole time.
But pull it up to, like, the

1497
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:42,460
entryway of this, like, giant
mansion where the dude standing

1498
01:18:42,460 --> 01:18:45,280
there and waiting and like,
totally stalled the car.

1499
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:51,280
Your clutch in, the brake didn't
hit, and it was like, you're

1500
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:53,800
topping out of like 6000 RPMs on
the wheel.

1501
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:59,200
Yeah, that was me, and the guy
was super nice. He was like,

1502
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:04,020
hey, almost, that's fun, but
yeah, and he still tipped me,

1503
01:19:04,020 --> 01:19:07,800
which is great. That's great. At
least you gave it a shot. Bad.

1504
01:19:07,860 --> 01:19:09,960
You felt bad for me. Yeah,
that's right.

1505
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:12,540
Have you ever learned since, no,

1506
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:13,200
oh, man,

1507
01:19:13,980 --> 01:19:17,640
they don't make them. It's yeah,
millennial. It's the millennial

1508
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:21,260
car security system. It is, get
a get a stick shift, yeah, yeah.

1509
01:19:21,260 --> 01:19:22,940
No, nobody knows, yeah.

1510
01:19:23,359 --> 01:19:28,639
I mean, I did. I practiced, I
guess more after that. But you

1511
01:19:28,639 --> 01:19:31,279
have to, like, live with that,
you know, it's got to be a car

1512
01:19:31,279 --> 01:19:33,439
that your dad or somebody has,
that you can actually,

1513
01:19:33,619 --> 01:19:36,739
I learned the concept of stick
on a motorcycle, a dirt bike,

1514
01:19:36,859 --> 01:19:39,379
oh, yeah, yeah. Like, with a
clutch, yeah, clutch on the left

1515
01:19:39,379 --> 01:19:41,439
hand, and the throttle and the,
you know, you went through the

1516
01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:45,159
gears on the left foot. And I
would actually, my first car was

1517
01:19:45,159 --> 01:19:49,599
a Suzuki Samurai, Samurai, 1988
There you go with a five, five

1518
01:19:49,599 --> 01:19:52,059
speed stick shift. And I'd go
back and forth in the driveway,

1519
01:19:52,119 --> 01:19:55,479
just getting used to it. Yeah,
yeah. Way to learn I was, I was

1520
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:56,559
a really boring kid.

1521
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:00,840
Yeah. My dad taught me the
stick. Shift, and there was a

1522
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:02,700
lot of profanity, oh, I'm sure,

1523
01:20:04,979 --> 01:20:07,979
vanity and like smashing the
invisible brake on the right

1524
01:20:07,979 --> 01:20:08,399
side of the

1525
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:12,000
car. I had to teach Courtney
because we bought her a car when

1526
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:14,820
we were still dating, we were
living together. Her car got

1527
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:18,660
crapped to bed, and then we
traded that in, got her a Nissan

1528
01:20:18,660 --> 01:20:22,640
Sentra that was a stick shift.
That was a fun car to drive,

1529
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:25,940
yeah? And she just, she had no
idea how to drive him, yeah. And

1530
01:20:25,940 --> 01:20:30,140
we took it to a Costco parking
lot, all right? That's how you

1531
01:20:30,140 --> 01:20:32,120
learn love it. That's how she
learned,

1532
01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:34,880
I wouldn't want to live in San
Francisco

1533
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:40,360
and have to learn how to dress
when I like. I had a I had a

1534
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:44,260
stick out in LA and you'd be up
there right on, dohee, going up

1535
01:20:44,260 --> 01:20:48,160
to sunset, and that this the
hell's like that, yeah? Just

1536
01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:49,060
like, and you're like,

1537
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:53,260
Oh my God, no one pulls up
behind me, please.

1538
01:20:54,460 --> 01:20:56,020
Out of your bro crazy,

1539
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:59,740
yeah? Well, you know what, it's
time for the Fave Five. Don't

1540
01:20:59,740 --> 01:21:04,140
think about it. Favorite color
blue. That's high. We

1541
01:21:04,140 --> 01:21:04,920
get a lot more blue.

1542
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:07,620
New York Giants blue, even
though I don't like the giants

1543
01:21:07,620 --> 01:21:09,300
as a football team, but color
blue.

1544
01:21:09,900 --> 01:21:13,320
Love drums. Get a set of drums
like that.

1545
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:16,980
I should, you should, actually
should call it like a great

1546
01:21:16,980 --> 01:21:21,200
green olive satin flame kit.
That's pretty sick, nice. Yeah,

1547
01:21:21,260 --> 01:21:30,080
how many kids you got? Oh, God,
I think 11. Yeah, 11 kids, yeah,

1548
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:32,780
seven at my place, and then four
in guarded, nice,

1549
01:21:34,700 --> 01:21:36,920
favorite drink,

1550
01:21:37,939 --> 01:21:40,899
tequila, yeah straight, just
wow,

1551
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:42,460
yeah, chilled or anything.

1552
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:45,700
Oh no. On the rocks, okay, yeah,
that's good tequila on the

1553
01:21:45,700 --> 01:21:48,760
rocks. Just a little bit. I
don't like hot tequila. Oh god

1554
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:52,180
no, no, yeah. I used to be a
bourbon guy, but then that's

1555
01:21:52,180 --> 01:21:55,840
just, I can't do it. It's just
random, course, yeah, it sticks

1556
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:59,200
with me. You mean the next day,
yeah? Just don't feel don't feel

1557
01:21:59,200 --> 01:21:59,500
good. Yeah?

1558
01:21:59,500 --> 01:22:00,480
They do say, do the white

1559
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:05,699
liquors? Yeah, yeah. But that
and just literally water, I mean

1560
01:22:05,759 --> 01:22:11,159
cold beer, guys, sodas, not I
used to be, not as much anymore.

1561
01:22:11,159 --> 01:22:14,039
You know, oddly enough, yeah,
like, if I'm gonna have anything

1562
01:22:14,039 --> 01:22:17,039
to sip on at home after a long
day or something, just a little

1563
01:22:17,039 --> 01:22:17,939
bit of tequila, that's

1564
01:22:17,939 --> 01:22:19,439
nice. PB and J beer.

1565
01:22:19,799 --> 01:22:23,359
Oh yeah, Jim and I, Jim and I
had a PB and J beer. It was

1566
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:27,500
out incredible sour. Oh, a sour.
Yeah, interesting. Oh, it

1567
01:22:27,500 --> 01:22:31,340
tastes just like the bread the
peanut butter took me back to

1568
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:34,280
being six drinking. I

1569
01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:37,040
put it up. Oh, nice, yeah. On a
beer podcast, on the Ailes and

1570
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:39,740
tails podcast.com, Instagram
page, yeah.

1571
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:40,900
Everybody, check out

1572
01:22:42,460 --> 01:22:45,160
another podcast. We do. Jim's
got a

1573
01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:48,820
mostly Middle Tennessee business
podcast. He's got his production

1574
01:22:48,820 --> 01:22:52,840
company. It's your show.co,
yeah. He's got his hands in a

1575
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:55,360
lot of things. What about, um,
favorite dish, or

1576
01:22:55,360 --> 01:23:00,660
food? Pad Thai? Yeah, my wife's
Pad Thai. She's an incredible

1577
01:23:00,660 --> 01:23:03,660
Cook, wow, yeah, she's amazing.
Like, every year for my

1578
01:23:03,660 --> 01:23:04,200
birthday,

1579
01:23:07,020 --> 01:23:09,660
you don't do native tie, do you?
No, yeah, I

1580
01:23:09,660 --> 01:23:12,480
don't mess with that, man. I'll
do like, one star spicy.

1581
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:14,159
My colon would be like, yelling
at me. I

1582
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:17,100
just feel like it's so
inconsistent wherever you go.

1583
01:23:18,060 --> 01:23:22,040
American, zero, Americans, it
like, yeah, like the opposite of

1584
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:25,460
spicy zero. And there are guys
like, you know, Mike Johnson,

1585
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:30,080
obviously, yeah. And he'll get
like, five star or native hot

1586
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:33,500
sometimes, and just be fine, and
then we'll go still work. Mike

1587
01:23:33,500 --> 01:23:36,620
Jefferson, Mike's lessons. Mike
Johnson, no. Pedal Steel player,

1588
01:23:36,740 --> 01:23:39,080
okay, yeah, incredible. Pedal
Steel player.

1589
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:42,460
Plays a steal. And a lot of the
Aldean stuff. It's either him or

1590
01:23:42,460 --> 01:23:45,880
Russ Paul, depending on the
attitude and, yeah,

1591
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:47,680
the vibe needed.

1592
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:50,500
This is a tough one sometimes,
but it could be based on, oh my

1593
01:23:50,500 --> 01:23:52,660
god. I love this producer, I
love this band. I love this

1594
01:23:52,660 --> 01:23:55,120
drummer, this melody is
incredible. I can't escape this

1595
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:56,920
thing. It's favorite song.

1596
01:23:57,160 --> 01:24:03,540
Favorite song would be, uh,
there's a John Bryan song called

1597
01:24:03,540 --> 01:24:08,580
strings that tie to you. Yeah?
That was on. It was on a

1598
01:24:08,580 --> 01:24:12,840
soundtrack for what was that?
Jim Carrey movie, Eternal

1599
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:16,620
Sunshine of the Spotless Mind,
yo, yeah. And it's only like two

1600
01:24:16,620 --> 01:24:20,280
and a half minutes long, maybe
one of the most beautifully

1601
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:23,900
written simple songs, and Jim
Kellner plays on it, actually

1602
01:24:23,900 --> 01:24:27,020
beautiful. The Count off, even
on it, they left the count off

1603
01:24:27,020 --> 01:24:30,620
in and the song, it's just
everything about it is just

1604
01:24:30,620 --> 01:24:34,820
music, just beautiful music.
Like, if I'm on an airplane or

1605
01:24:34,820 --> 01:24:38,360
something, that song out, throw
the song on, stare out the

1606
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:39,980
window, and it's like, all is
right?

1607
01:24:39,979 --> 01:24:43,539
My version of that is Jeff
Buckley hallelujah, yeah. Oh

1608
01:24:43,540 --> 01:24:48,640
god, so good. Man, so great, so
good. Yeah, yeah, that's, that's

1609
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:52,480
one for me, yeah, man, movie on,
favorite movie, favorite movie.

1610
01:24:52,480 --> 01:24:55,960
Oh, wow, that's a Interstellar.
Oh,

1611
01:24:56,380 --> 01:24:57,160
yeah, yesterday,

1612
01:24:57,160 --> 01:24:58,120
did you really? Yeah?

1613
01:24:58,120 --> 01:24:59,920
We got that with someone
yesterday or the other.

1614
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:03,240
I bought a surround sound system
at my house just to watch that

1615
01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:03,480
movie.

1616
01:25:04,500 --> 01:25:08,760
That's so good, the Christopher
Nolan movies in life, it's so

1617
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:09,240
good, the

1618
01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:12,840
writing and it's great. And the
theoretical, the, you know, the

1619
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:16,080
theoretic physics of that movie
is all accurate, yeah, like,

1620
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:18,960
they worked with a physicist.
Yeah. I was really big into

1621
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:23,420
like, like string theory and
like the CERN, like Large Hadron

1622
01:25:23,420 --> 01:25:25,700
Collider and all that kind of
stuff at that time. String

1623
01:25:25,700 --> 01:25:28,160
Cheese theory, yeah, string
cheese theory, yeah, quantum

1624
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:32,180
physics, yeah. I mean, just, are
you a reader?

1625
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:34,880
Do you like? Yeah, I don't, not
as much anymore.

1626
01:25:36,380 --> 01:25:40,540
Reader, until I met my band and
my my IQ just dropped.

1627
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:45,100
It's weird. Yeah, it was crazy.
My wife is a huge reader. I

1628
01:25:45,100 --> 01:25:49,060
mean, she could read all day,
every day. She reads like, over

1629
01:25:49,060 --> 01:25:53,260
100 books a year. Wow, insane.
That's cool. Hand me downs,

1630
01:25:53,380 --> 01:25:56,080
yeah. And I just like, What are
you doing? She's like, reading.

1631
01:25:56,260 --> 01:26:01,800
Like, cool. I figured that a
book. Okay, great.

1632
01:26:01,860 --> 01:26:03,000
How long have you been married?

1633
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:05,100
Yeah, I was gonna say the same
thing, four years. See that?

1634
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:06,900
Wow. But how long did you guys

1635
01:26:06,900 --> 01:26:10,980
date? We dated for three years
before that's good time. Yeah,

1636
01:26:10,980 --> 01:26:13,440
she's just she would know that.
You'd have to explain the whole

1637
01:26:13,440 --> 01:26:16,800
thing. How many kids, one kid,
one kid, yeah, one and one and

1638
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:17,220
done.

1639
01:26:17,340 --> 01:26:19,560
Are you gonna get snips? Snip
already? Did

1640
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:21,260
he do that? Done? Get

1641
01:26:21,260 --> 01:26:23,000
the peas on the balls? It was,
yeah,

1642
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:27,020
it's perfect. Actually, it's the
like, that's the cliche for a

1643
01:26:27,020 --> 01:26:30,260
reason. Yeah, it's like, truly
works. That's what the doctor

1644
01:26:30,860 --> 01:26:33,320
said. So you guys, you guys
said, this is where, this is

1645
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:33,500
where.

1646
01:26:33,740 --> 01:26:37,580
Yeah, we had, we had tried some
more, and just had some

1647
01:26:37,580 --> 01:26:40,360
complications and work out. And
even after we had our boy's

1648
01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:43,900
name's Wyatt. He's a drummer
already. Wow, obviously, two

1649
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:46,660
years old. Yeah, already has his
own little kid, and he can

1650
01:26:46,660 --> 01:26:49,480
actually match tempo with you.
Like, I'll sit up. I'll set him

1651
01:26:49,480 --> 01:26:52,840
up on my lap. He'll play the
ride or the hi hat, and I'll

1652
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:56,440
play everything else, and he'll
keep time. Wow, it's crazy. It's

1653
01:26:56,440 --> 01:26:59,740
in his DNA. It's in the DNA. He
plays piano, like he'll kind of

1654
01:26:59,740 --> 01:27:03,300
just pluck around on it, yeah,
sings too, like we'll sing along

1655
01:27:03,300 --> 01:27:06,960
to songs. And it's wild. It's
great. It is. It's cool, it's

1656
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:10,800
cool, yeah, so we, we lucked
out. Huge blessing. He's the

1657
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:14,820
best kid ever. So even after I
was like, Man, I'm good, yeah, I

1658
01:27:14,820 --> 01:27:17,940
always wanted two kids or three
kids, or whatever. But whenever

1659
01:27:17,940 --> 01:27:19,080
he showed up, I was like,

1660
01:27:20,100 --> 01:27:22,280
we could be just spoiling good,
yeah,

1661
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:26,360
this is it. You know, rotten,
spoiled, rot, spoiled. Jump,

1662
01:27:26,540 --> 01:27:29,300
yeah, he's a ham too. He's a
performer. Yeah, he's gonna go

1663
01:27:29,300 --> 01:27:32,780
get in the middle of the room
and do his ABCs for the whole

1664
01:27:32,780 --> 01:27:33,860
family. He's gonna be

1665
01:27:33,860 --> 01:27:38,060
entertainer. I relate. Spider
Man,

1666
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:39,740
yeah, exactly. Yeah.

1667
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:40,280
Still do.

1668
01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:42,280
What do you mean, use that
you're right. You're right.

1669
01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:43,120
Whenever we got

1670
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:46,240
him his kit, we bought him his
his grandfather, one of his

1671
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:48,460
grandfathers, bought him a kit,
like just a little, you know,

1672
01:27:48,460 --> 01:27:53,440
Amazon, $200 toy kind of kid
kit, but as heads, you know, and

1673
01:27:53,440 --> 01:27:56,860
symbols, he got it for his
second birthday, and we

1674
01:27:56,860 --> 01:27:59,200
surprised him with it. Set it
up. We had a, you know, party

1675
01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:02,460
with the family at the house,
set up the kit, and he was

1676
01:28:02,460 --> 01:28:05,520
surprised, super surprised, when
we sat him down on it, and he

1677
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:10,020
was locked in, like, locked
like, started playing, got the

1678
01:28:10,020 --> 01:28:16,140
big cheer, everybody's clapping,
and he just kept playing. He

1679
01:28:16,140 --> 01:28:20,600
didn't stop. That's your job.
Okay, we're good now, buddy,

1680
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:23,420
yeah, let's take a break. Get
off the drums.

1681
01:28:24,140 --> 01:28:25,880
We have had enough. Oh, my God,

1682
01:28:26,300 --> 01:28:30,320
hey. So Evan hutchings.com Evan
hutchings.com and then you're

1683
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:33,560
active on the book of face, the
Instagram, yeah, all the

1684
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:38,000
socials, some on there. Yeah, I
love that. And then, folks, if

1685
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:41,020
you are listening to country
radio, Kenny Chesney, Reva

1686
01:28:41,020 --> 01:28:42,760
McIntyre, Luke, Bryan, Jimmy
Allen, Ronnie

1687
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:46,720
Evans on the drums, yeah, it's

1688
01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:50,740
good. Thankfully, it's really
good. Nate Smith, he's Top 10

1689
01:28:50,740 --> 01:28:54,160
right now. His latest single,
bulletproof. Brian Martin,

1690
01:28:54,220 --> 01:28:54,880
actually, too.

1691
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:55,780
Brian Martin, yeah,

1692
01:28:56,979 --> 01:29:00,219
that's top 10. I think he's
eight or nine right now. Yeah.

1693
01:29:00,219 --> 01:29:00,659
So,

1694
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:03,000
so you occasionally follow the
charts of being like,

1695
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:05,820
I do, yeah, I like to see, I
just like to see what's up,

1696
01:29:05,820 --> 01:29:09,060
where, how it's going, like,
what's climbing, what isn't

1697
01:29:09,060 --> 01:29:11,640
climbing, and not just songs I
played on. Just kind of, it's

1698
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:12,780
interesting. Muso.ai,

1699
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:19,140
yeah, hey. So sometimes I'll be
in the top point zero, 1% of

1700
01:29:19,140 --> 01:29:21,620
drummers in the world, you are
like, in the point. I mean,

1701
01:29:21,620 --> 01:29:23,960
it's, it's like, you're always
like, in the top,

1702
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:27,440
it is crazy. I don't know how
accurate that. There's no way

1703
01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:29,360
drummers on the planet. You

1704
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:31,280
know what? I mean, yeah, it is
wild.

1705
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:33,080
When I looked it up, and it's
like, if I'm in

1706
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:35,060
the mix somewhere, I'm like,
that's cool. But, I mean, the

1707
01:29:35,060 --> 01:29:38,960
first couple of guys are like,
yeah, you and near and yeah,

1708
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:42,940
McHugh and it's cool, yeah, it's
a cool studio, tans, and

1709
01:29:42,940 --> 01:29:46,180
everybody's just the community,
as you know, in this town is so

1710
01:29:46,180 --> 01:29:48,700
tight, and everybody's cool, you
know, like,

1711
01:29:49,060 --> 01:29:51,520
I'll hit up Chris or whoever.
Like, Hey man,

1712
01:29:53,140 --> 01:29:55,540
you know, let's grab lunch. Or,
yeah, you know, let's just hang

1713
01:29:55,540 --> 01:29:58,240
or, Hey, man, can you do this
session for me? Or he'll do the

1714
01:29:58,240 --> 01:30:01,200
same thing. Hey, man, can you
fill in? Or. Whatever, and, and

1715
01:30:01,200 --> 01:30:04,020
it's the the ego. I mean, you
have, everybody has an ego,

1716
01:30:04,020 --> 01:30:06,240
like, in a healthy way, usually,
and some more than others,

1717
01:30:06,240 --> 01:30:08,940
polite competition in Nashville,
Yeah, everybody's got each

1718
01:30:08,940 --> 01:30:11,580
other's backs, which is cool,
you know, how long does it

1719
01:30:11,580 --> 01:30:14,460
take to you feel like you're
part of the community? I guess

1720
01:30:14,580 --> 01:30:15,540
there's a lot of I

1721
01:30:15,539 --> 01:30:17,819
think it's different for
everybody. You know? I think,

1722
01:30:17,819 --> 01:30:21,019
like, once you play on a number
one song, you're kind of like,

1723
01:30:21,019 --> 01:30:25,219
okay, I'm I'm in the mix, you
know, school, not everybody's

1724
01:30:25,219 --> 01:30:29,479
done that, you know. And you
know, you people just start

1725
01:30:29,839 --> 01:30:32,659
being more friendly to you. If
you're like, a drummer hang or

1726
01:30:32,659 --> 01:30:36,259
something, meritocracy, you get
a little bit more respect from

1727
01:30:36,259 --> 01:30:36,979
people. Yeah,

1728
01:30:37,519 --> 01:30:40,339
right? This way. Mr. Hutchings,
yeah, right. Preferential

1729
01:30:40,819 --> 01:30:42,639
treatment. Brick tops, yeah.

1730
01:30:45,160 --> 01:30:46,660
Don't you know who I think I am

1731
01:30:47,860 --> 01:30:50,080
for us by preferential treatment
at Brix,

1732
01:30:50,140 --> 01:30:52,840
there you go. That's our
treatment. Hey, man, I'll

1733
01:30:52,840 --> 01:30:53,980
take that. Yeah, bricks pizza,

1734
01:30:54,159 --> 01:30:56,319
the deviled eggs at brick tops.
What about

1735
01:30:56,560 --> 01:31:00,100
the bacon on there? Dear god,
yeah, and they've got those

1736
01:31:00,100 --> 01:31:03,480
Shanghai shrimp. Oh, with a
martini. I'll probably do that

1737
01:31:03,480 --> 01:31:04,260
tonight before bus

1738
01:31:04,260 --> 01:31:06,480
you should call that's our
restaurant of choice. When we go

1739
01:31:06,480 --> 01:31:08,220
meet people. I know it's my
spot. That's

1740
01:31:08,219 --> 01:31:10,919
a good spot, guys, if you want
to buy us a drink, you want to

1741
01:31:10,919 --> 01:31:13,379
run into us just the brick tops
right there in Cool Springs.

1742
01:31:13,379 --> 01:31:14,039
That's it, man,

1743
01:31:16,380 --> 01:31:17,700
you'll see us there. Oh, my

1744
01:31:17,700 --> 01:31:20,360
God. Do you have any fun, like,
like, hobbies, or things like,

1745
01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:21,800
you know, cigars or,

1746
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:28,460
yeah, I do golfing. That's kind
of really the only other hobby

1747
01:31:28,520 --> 01:31:31,220
thing that I do that I have time
for. And it takes, it can take

1748
01:31:31,220 --> 01:31:31,700
up a lot of

1749
01:31:31,700 --> 01:31:35,660
time. Hey, my dad plays four
days a week, and he has four

1750
01:31:35,660 --> 01:31:36,140
hole in

1751
01:31:36,140 --> 01:31:40,300
ones. That's amazing, man. My
old memory four holes in one is

1752
01:31:40,300 --> 01:31:44,080
that four holes ones actually
got a hole in one on my bachelor

1753
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:49,000
party weekend. That's a great
golfing town. It was amazing,

1754
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:52,240
yeah, with my brother in law and
like some best friends, Scott,

1755
01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:52,780
yeah,

1756
01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:56,680
I'm so happy that we finally got
to do this. And it was worth it.

1757
01:31:56,680 --> 01:31:58,840
Man, it was worth the wait.
Evan, thank you so much. Thank

1758
01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:00,160
you so much for having me. Man,
yeah,

1759
01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:03,240
congratulations on your work.
Well, you do likewise. Man, an

1760
01:32:03,240 --> 01:32:05,280
honor to be here. Man,
fantastic. Thanks for being

1761
01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:07,800
here, folks. That's Evan
Hutchings. Evan hutchings.com,

1762
01:32:09,180 --> 01:32:11,520
you listeners. Thanks for
watching the show. Thanks for

1763
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:14,520
listening to the show. Be sure
to subscribe, share, rate and

1764
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:17,400
review. It helps people find the
show. Jim, as always, thanks for

1765
01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:20,540
your time and talent. Thank you,
sir, and we'll see you guys next

1766
01:32:20,540 --> 01:32:21,380
time, thanks, Evan,

1767
01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:26,600
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1768
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:27,080
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