1 00:00:00,151 --> 00:00:03,266 Hello and welcome to the Modernize or Die podcast. 2 00:00:03,266 --> 00:00:04,948 We're glad to have you with us today. 3 00:00:04,948 --> 00:00:06,541 It is June 3rd. 4 00:00:06,541 --> 00:00:09,042 This is episode 234. 5 00:00:09,042 --> 00:00:12,547 My name is Eric Peterson and I'm joined today by Jacob Beers. 6 00:00:12,547 --> 00:00:13,169 Hey Jacob. 7 00:00:13,169 --> 00:00:14,563 Hello, thank you for having me. 8 00:00:14,563 --> 00:00:15,003 Always. 9 00:00:15,003 --> 00:00:17,834 Well, let's jump right into it. 10 00:00:17,834 --> 00:00:22,837 Let's jump into our Ortus news for the week or sorry, the last few weeks. 11 00:00:22,837 --> 00:00:24,587 We had a couple of new releases. 12 00:00:24,587 --> 00:00:27,049 CF Migrations version five is out. 13 00:00:27,049 --> 00:00:30,091 Sounds fancy, isn't as fancy as it sounds. 14 00:00:30,091 --> 00:00:35,654 Upgraded to be based off of qb 12 which was also a breaking change and CBMockData 4. 15 00:00:35,654 --> 00:00:39,527 So all of you should be able to upgrade without really noticing anything. 16 00:00:39,527 --> 00:00:54,598 It does have BoxLang certification now, both the normal BoxLang and with the CFML Compat module, which has, on the side note, been a fun thing to try to figure out matrix testing 17 00:00:54,598 --> 00:00:56,309 in CI. 18 00:00:56,309 --> 00:00:59,920 Thank goodness for CommandBox to make that more straightforward. 19 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:05,082 And then there's a little teaser, a simpler configuration for CommandBox migrations is coming soon. 20 00:01:05,082 --> 00:01:14,233 So if you are one of the many people who look at your data source configuration in there and think, why is this more confusing than CF config? 21 00:01:14,233 --> 00:01:15,744 We'll be fixing that. 22 00:01:15,744 --> 00:01:17,464 So thanks for being patient. 23 00:01:18,477 --> 00:01:20,037 CB Playwright also had a release. 24 00:01:20,037 --> 00:01:21,917 It's at 1.52.1. 25 00:01:21,917 --> 00:01:27,259 That corresponds to Playwright 1.52, which is why the version numbers are kind of weird there. 26 00:01:27,259 --> 00:01:30,941 I've been doing a lot of work there, mostly because I've been using it in a non. 27 00:01:30,941 --> 00:01:34,039 testing scenario and it works a little bit better in that now. 28 00:01:34,039 --> 00:01:37,830 So kind of doing my own web crawling for a client's project. 29 00:01:37,830 --> 00:01:38,512 It's kind of fun. 30 00:01:38,512 --> 00:01:39,880 Cool, very awesome. 31 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:44,865 Alright, so we've also got a couple more feature or news items that we want to talk about. 32 00:01:44,865 --> 00:01:49,527 We've got the ITB 2025 videos coming to CFCasts later this month. 33 00:01:49,527 --> 00:01:51,297 I'm personally really excited about that. 34 00:01:51,297 --> 00:01:59,212 You can still go and check out the Into the Box 2025 website where you can see the full agenda and pick out some videos that you're interested in watching. 35 00:01:59,212 --> 00:02:04,476 I've actually I've got four or five videos on my list that I've been waiting this entire time to be able to watch. 36 00:02:04,476 --> 00:02:06,008 So looking forward to that one. 37 00:02:06,008 --> 00:02:09,721 So that will come to all attendees of Into the Box. 38 00:02:09,721 --> 00:02:12,194 You'll get free access on CFCasts. 39 00:02:12,194 --> 00:02:23,494 If you are just a subscriber to CFCasts and you didn't attend Into the Box this year, you can either purchase it as a premium series or wait until around the end of the year when 40 00:02:23,494 --> 00:02:25,807 it will become available to all subscribers. 41 00:02:25,807 --> 00:02:26,318 Good to know. 42 00:02:26,318 --> 00:02:35,317 And we've got a news item that is very dear to my heart, which is that the Boxlang VS Code extension has released a new version, 1.7.1. 43 00:02:37,317 --> 00:02:43,017 Yeah, we've got some really cool features in it, including a couple of bug fixes, improved autocomplete. 44 00:02:43,017 --> 00:02:47,934 And then the thing that I'm the most excited about is actually AI integration with 45 00:02:47,934 --> 00:02:49,477 VS Code co-pilot. 46 00:02:49,477 --> 00:02:57,028 So that includes our BoxLang participant that can even reach out to the BoxLang documentation and answer questions intelligently about BoxLang. 47 00:02:57,028 --> 00:02:58,250 So very exciting stuff. 48 00:02:58,250 --> 00:03:01,245 We're really looking forward to the future that opens up for us. 49 00:03:01,245 --> 00:03:01,856 That's awesome. 50 00:03:01,856 --> 00:03:04,309 You've been doing such great work on that. 51 00:03:04,309 --> 00:03:07,603 I've been trying to dip my toes into it to help out a bit. 52 00:03:07,603 --> 00:03:09,427 It's an exciting place to be. 53 00:03:09,427 --> 00:03:09,966 Mm-hmm. 54 00:03:09,966 --> 00:03:17,743 All right, this episode is sponsored by Ortus Solutions, specifically our Elasticsearch and OpenSearch Consulting. 55 00:03:17,743 --> 00:03:28,415 So if you have a need to augment your search, maybe you're been creaking by just doing some database-like comparisons, but it's getting really slow to do those searches. 56 00:03:28,415 --> 00:03:30,333 It's just you want to give it lots more features. 57 00:03:30,333 --> 00:03:31,204 Contact us. 58 00:03:31,204 --> 00:03:34,968 We have implemented many Elasticsearch search. 59 00:03:34,968 --> 00:03:37,421 implementations and we can help you with yours as well. 60 00:03:37,421 --> 00:03:40,844 Custom implementations, log management, performance tuning. 61 00:03:40,844 --> 00:03:45,018 You can scale your data search with confidence and expert support. 62 00:03:45,018 --> 00:03:49,392 Learn more at ordersolutions.com slash services slash elastic search. 63 00:03:49,392 --> 00:03:56,319 And if you would like to get your product or service in front of our wonderful BoxLang and CFML audience, reach out to us on our website. 64 00:03:56,319 --> 00:03:59,723 We'd love to have you sponsoring an episode of the podcast. 65 00:03:59,723 --> 00:04:01,774 Let's jump into our BoxLang corner. 66 00:04:01,774 --> 00:04:03,235 We have a BoxLang release. 67 00:04:03,235 --> 00:04:05,796 Version 1.2.0 has been released. 68 00:04:05,796 --> 00:04:12,390 And I would say that this is probably an 80 % bug fix and improvements update. 69 00:04:12,390 --> 00:04:14,902 There's also a few new features you might be interested in. 70 00:04:14,902 --> 00:04:19,766 The biggest one I thought was interesting was enhanced Java integration with Maven. 71 00:04:19,766 --> 00:04:30,422 Maven's not something that we reach for a lot in the CFML community, and that is probably gonna change here with BoxLang, where you add in Maven with a pom.xml you put in your 72 00:04:30,422 --> 00:04:34,186 dependencies, and those dependencies will be available inside BoxLang. 73 00:04:34,186 --> 00:04:35,637 Nothing extra that you have to do. 74 00:04:35,637 --> 00:04:42,541 You can go ahead and import those classes, create new objects from them, not having to add it to this.javaSettings or anything like that. 75 00:04:42,541 --> 00:04:46,988 So some great stuff in there to integrate with the wider Java community. 76 00:04:46,988 --> 00:04:48,229 that's just the tip of the iceberg. 77 00:04:48,229 --> 00:04:52,092 Like I said, there's lots of performance improvements, and bug fixes as well. 78 00:04:52,092 --> 00:04:56,825 We'll put the blog release and you can check out all the different tickets that were closed in. 79 00:04:56,825 --> 00:04:58,390 BoxLang 1.2.0. 80 00:04:58,390 --> 00:05:00,890 and which there is a lot of tickets. 81 00:05:00,890 --> 00:05:05,121 I'm looking at the release notes now and I want to say that there's like 150. 82 00:05:05,121 --> 00:05:08,419 Maybe not that many, maybe 100, but there's quite a bit. 83 00:05:08,419 --> 00:05:12,395 do a quick count on the number of list items in here or something. 84 00:05:12,395 --> 00:05:12,745 don't know. 85 00:05:12,745 --> 00:05:14,258 But yeah, I'm with you. 86 00:05:14,258 --> 00:05:16,019 There's over 50 at least. 87 00:05:16,019 --> 00:05:18,787 Where's your CB Playwright web crawler when we need it? 88 00:05:18,787 --> 00:05:20,618 I mean, that takes time to write. 89 00:05:20,618 --> 00:05:22,088 It's not free. 90 00:05:22,448 --> 00:05:28,770 Could probably put this into AI and just say, count me the number of list items or something. 91 00:05:30,470 --> 00:05:35,454 I will uh lay claim that one of the bug fixes was mine. 92 00:05:35,454 --> 00:05:37,094 One out of 50 plus. 93 00:05:37,094 --> 00:05:38,309 So I'm part of this. 94 00:05:38,309 --> 00:05:39,675 I'm part of this. 95 00:05:39,675 --> 00:05:41,308 Yep, BL 1488, right? 96 00:05:41,308 --> 00:05:45,454 The very last one on the, the importance. 97 00:05:46,556 --> 00:05:47,447 Nice. 98 00:05:49,969 --> 00:05:53,440 Well, we have a new installment in our BoxLang FAQ this week. 99 00:05:53,440 --> 00:06:01,067 Last time we talked about the pricing model for BoxLang, specifically if it was free or just a paid product. 100 00:06:01,067 --> 00:06:08,981 The TLDR on that is BoxLang is free as in, well, Daniel said free as in BoxLang, but I think free as in. 101 00:06:08,981 --> 00:06:11,102 Beer is the one that we want. 102 00:06:11,102 --> 00:06:13,102 It's free free free, you can do whatever you want with it. 103 00:06:13,102 --> 00:06:13,563 Free. 104 00:06:13,563 --> 00:06:14,664 Production, everything. 105 00:06:14,664 --> 00:06:18,696 It also has support plans that we can help you get the most out of it. 106 00:06:18,696 --> 00:06:21,477 We'd love to have your support on it as well, but it's free. 107 00:06:21,477 --> 00:06:27,320 Today we wanna talk about is BoxLang just another CFML engine because you keep talking about it like it's more. 108 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:28,791 What's the answer to that, Jacob? 109 00:06:28,791 --> 00:06:30,631 Well, Eric, I'm glad that you asked. 110 00:06:30,631 --> 00:06:31,853 In fact, it is more. 111 00:06:31,853 --> 00:06:39,710 We do have a compatibility layer, which we've talked about endlessly to be able to migrate CFML applications. 112 00:06:39,710 --> 00:06:48,699 But we also have things that set BoxLang apart and make it its own language, including things like we've got syntax differences, we've got additional BIFs we've got... 113 00:06:48,699 --> 00:06:57,045 functional member methods, better Java interoperability, and lots of runtime features like scheduler, modules, async features, all kinds of great stuff. 114 00:06:57,045 --> 00:07:05,674 Some of the most important differences, some of them are, as people have pointed out, to be kind of cosmetic, like prefixing a tag with bx or something like that. 115 00:07:05,674 --> 00:07:07,380 But they shouldn't be... 116 00:07:07,380 --> 00:07:10,543 They shouldn't think that that's as deep as the changes that we've made go. 117 00:07:10,543 --> 00:07:13,226 There's actually quite a bit more that goes beyond that. 118 00:07:13,226 --> 00:07:18,352 Such as the syntax differences can be as simple as, like I said, BX and class. 119 00:07:18,352 --> 00:07:28,163 But then we have the static BIF access that allows you to get at the actual object of a BIF without invoking it so that you can pass it around into other functions or things like 120 00:07:28,163 --> 00:07:28,574 that. 121 00:07:28,574 --> 00:07:39,495 We also have functional member methods, which is an interesting shortcut to be able to invoke member methods on an object without having to create a closure to be able to do 122 00:07:39,495 --> 00:07:39,776 that. 123 00:07:39,776 --> 00:07:42,319 And it looks really slick in practice. 124 00:07:42,319 --> 00:07:46,993 And again, I actually demoed this last time in our webinar, but our Java Interop is awesome. 125 00:07:46,993 --> 00:07:49,657 And it almost gives you like a hybrid language of 126 00:07:49,657 --> 00:07:55,912 something like CFML plus all of the Java goodness to make something, you know, amazing BoxLang baby. 127 00:07:55,912 --> 00:08:03,817 And then I can't even talk about all the features, but Luis has been throwing things in there like crazy with scheduler and modules and all the dynamic stuff. 128 00:08:03,817 --> 00:08:06,139 there's quite a bit that sets us apart from CFML. 129 00:08:06,139 --> 00:08:17,576 Yeah, I noticed today, and we'll get to this in a second, that in Lucee 6, they've discontinued their Lucee dialect, which was their attempt and hope to make a language out 130 00:08:17,576 --> 00:08:19,701 of Lucee bigger than just CFML. 131 00:08:19,701 --> 00:08:25,045 I was sad to see that because I think we need to be pushing the boundaries and that's what BoxLang lets us do. 132 00:08:25,045 --> 00:08:28,138 We have our CFML parser. 133 00:08:28,138 --> 00:08:38,470 It understands CFML, but we can leave it and do things that are not CFML because it's better and it gives us the syntax that we want and the capabilities we want. 134 00:08:38,470 --> 00:08:42,192 So the good news with BoxLang is you get both. 135 00:08:42,192 --> 00:08:46,276 You don't have to choose, but BoxLang definitely isn't just CFML. 136 00:08:46,276 --> 00:08:46,773 Mm-hmm. 137 00:08:46,773 --> 00:08:49,486 All right, let's talk about some community updates now. 138 00:08:49,486 --> 00:08:53,279 Speaking of, I have a link here to the Lucee 6 upgrade guide. 139 00:08:53,279 --> 00:08:55,390 This is the first time I saw it. 140 00:08:55,390 --> 00:09:03,359 It might have been around a while, but given that I have many a client that's still on Lucee 5.4, I'm sure I will be referencing this quite a bit. 141 00:09:03,359 --> 00:09:10,594 In addition to that, we've got Fixinator 6.1 and Pete's been doing a great job with that as always. 142 00:09:10,594 --> 00:09:12,125 So you should go and check that out. 143 00:09:12,125 --> 00:09:22,110 You should check it out even if you're not a Fixinator customer, but especially if you're a Fixinator customer, go and check out the things that are there. 144 00:09:22,110 --> 00:09:27,286 And actually that this has to do specifically with the vulnerability that Adobe has fixed recently. 145 00:09:27,286 --> 00:09:31,528 having to do with undefined arguments and remote functions. 146 00:09:31,528 --> 00:09:36,922 it looks like he provides his scanning tool through Fixinator and can help you resolve that in your system really quickly. 147 00:09:36,922 --> 00:09:38,094 So, check it out. 148 00:09:38,094 --> 00:09:40,946 Now, I have to say, vulnerability, I put in air quotes. 149 00:09:40,946 --> 00:09:53,054 uh Like it has to do with being able to scope walk in Adobe or scope shadow, I should say, where you can kind of fake an argument scope by passing in something called arguments or 150 00:09:53,054 --> 00:09:54,254 variables like that. 151 00:09:54,254 --> 00:09:56,920 It will create a local variables. 152 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:58,202 I'm not saying this very well. 153 00:09:58,202 --> 00:10:03,036 If you bet you can, in Adobe confusion, you can create a local variable called variables. 154 00:10:03,036 --> 00:10:08,402 And then when your code asks for variables in that function, it gets the local scope, not the variable scope. 155 00:10:08,402 --> 00:10:12,535 And so you can essentially like override it and then, you know, wreck havoc. 156 00:10:12,535 --> 00:10:16,288 So that's not a thing in Lucee, which is why Lucee hasn't done the patch like this. 157 00:10:16,288 --> 00:10:22,435 And quite honestly, this patch is annoying me because I have to add in this environment variable everywhere to turn it off. 158 00:10:22,435 --> 00:10:28,341 So my tests run because I think mock box uses this and I like mock box. 159 00:10:28,341 --> 00:10:29,404 So anyway. 160 00:10:29,404 --> 00:10:34,420 But Pete can fixnator can find it for you in case you're like do I use this so? 161 00:10:34,420 --> 00:10:43,778 Anyway, sorry for the rant We have a blog post by James Moberg and first off is this a new site James you should let us know it's myCFML.com 162 00:10:43,778 --> 00:10:48,052 the article is using ColdFusion and XPDF to extract PDF metadata. 163 00:10:48,052 --> 00:10:53,647 I would name James Moberg the king of using command line tools inside ColdFusion. 164 00:10:53,647 --> 00:10:56,570 If you ever need to do that and you're having problems, he probably could help you. 165 00:10:56,570 --> 00:11:02,959 So this is another command line tool to get you more information about the PDF than you can just using the built in. 166 00:11:02,959 --> 00:11:07,586 ColdFusion tools, you can get a lot of it with the CF PDF, but this gets you even more data. 167 00:11:07,586 --> 00:11:12,339 So you can go ahead and check that out on his blog, XPDF and ColdFusion. 168 00:11:12,339 --> 00:11:20,301 In addition to that, we've got another blog post coming from Ben Nadel, which if you're not familiar with him, there's a new blog post every day. 169 00:11:20,301 --> 00:11:29,472 But specifically we're talking about today's, which has to do with a new feature that's been added to Adobe to make it easier to add jars into your CFML application. 170 00:11:29,472 --> 00:11:37,956 He's been doing kind of an interesting series on building barcodes using, I have no idea how to pronounce this, zeezing, zeexing? 171 00:11:37,956 --> 00:11:38,757 Sure. 172 00:11:39,129 --> 00:11:40,710 It's a barcode library. 173 00:11:40,710 --> 00:11:43,501 I think it's from Google and it's distributed via jar. 174 00:11:43,501 --> 00:11:47,572 And so he's doing some interesting experiments with that in Adobe 2025. 175 00:11:47,572 --> 00:11:48,780 So check that out. 176 00:11:48,780 --> 00:11:55,098 Now if you build any sort of cross compatible Module so like for cold box. 177 00:11:55,098 --> 00:11:56,314 It's supposed to run on Lucee. 178 00:11:56,314 --> 00:12:04,256 It's supposed to run on Adobe supposed to run on BoxLang And you wanted to use a Java library you might have noticed there's no good way to do it a lot of our docs now just say 179 00:12:04,256 --> 00:12:09,594 like you got to copy this into your Java settings because Lucee had a way to create 180 00:12:09,594 --> 00:12:14,745 a Java object by passing in an array of jars is a third argument to create object. 181 00:12:14,745 --> 00:12:18,836 BoxLang uses that and there was no way to do it in Adobe. 182 00:12:18,836 --> 00:12:22,298 Until 2025, Adobe 2025 gives it to us. 183 00:12:22,298 --> 00:12:24,909 It works the same as Lucee in BoxLang. 184 00:12:24,909 --> 00:12:36,651 And once I can drop support for 2021 and 2023 and you know, five years, it sounds so far away, but like it just makes building these cross compatible modules so much easier. 185 00:12:36,651 --> 00:12:39,824 because it just takes out a step that you right now have to do yourself. 186 00:12:39,824 --> 00:12:41,816 You have to get those jars in the right place. 187 00:12:41,816 --> 00:12:43,038 You got to make sure they're loaded. 188 00:12:43,038 --> 00:12:45,611 Soon we'll be able to just say, no, here's the jar. 189 00:12:45,611 --> 00:12:49,025 I'm putting it in the module, pointing to it in the file system. 190 00:12:49,025 --> 00:12:49,966 You're good to go. 191 00:12:49,966 --> 00:12:51,590 So very excited for that. 192 00:12:51,590 --> 00:12:53,272 All right, let's talk about some events. 193 00:12:53,272 --> 00:13:01,057 CF Camp happened just a couple weeks ago, and the slides and recording for the Ortus videos are now up on CF Casts. 194 00:13:01,057 --> 00:13:04,228 I think CF Casts and BoxLang Academy, so you can go check that out. 195 00:13:04,228 --> 00:13:07,342 Again, that's just the Ortus videos that we had there. 196 00:13:07,342 --> 00:13:12,007 We will let you know when CF Camp publishes all of their videos and where you can get ahold of those. 197 00:13:12,007 --> 00:13:15,000 Additionally, we have a couple webinars coming up. 198 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:19,143 This June, we have Building Dynamic AWS Lambda Applications with Boxlang. 199 00:13:19,143 --> 00:13:21,614 It will be June 18th at 11 a.m. 200 00:13:21,614 --> 00:13:22,405 Central Time. 201 00:13:22,405 --> 00:13:26,549 You can register and we'll put the link in the chat, in the show notes. 202 00:13:26,549 --> 00:13:34,816 That's gonna be led by Luis Majano And in July, we'll be having a webinar with Ray Camden and more details are coming about that soon. 203 00:13:34,816 --> 00:13:35,106 Cool. 204 00:13:35,106 --> 00:13:36,587 Looking forward to that. 205 00:13:36,587 --> 00:13:45,576 It looks like we're going to be, the Ortus is going to be participating in an announcement at America Digital Mexico on June 17th. 206 00:13:45,576 --> 00:13:49,920 Looks like it's a conference in Mexico City where we'll be showcasing BoxLang. 207 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:51,000 So definitely check that out. 208 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:52,002 That sounds really awesome. 209 00:13:52,002 --> 00:13:56,687 It looks like it's their ninth annual conference there and we're going to be at Booth. 210 00:13:56,687 --> 00:14:01,178 C36 in case you happen to swing by so come say hi. 211 00:14:01,178 --> 00:14:06,298 We also have another conference coming up later this month called Open South Code 2025. 212 00:14:06,298 --> 00:14:07,749 This one's in Spain. 213 00:14:07,749 --> 00:14:09,740 Me and we're taking over all the continents. 214 00:14:09,740 --> 00:14:14,411 That one's going to be from June 20th through the 21st in Málaga, Spain. 215 00:14:14,411 --> 00:14:16,311 And actually we're a gold sponsor of that one. 216 00:14:16,311 --> 00:14:18,262 So that's pretty, pretty awesome. 217 00:14:18,262 --> 00:14:27,637 Finally jumping forward to September, we have Adobe Cold Fusion Summit 2025 certification available either the day before or after, depending on what you would like. 218 00:14:27,637 --> 00:14:30,170 There is still a speaker application open. 219 00:14:30,170 --> 00:14:32,353 You can submit your topics and you should. 220 00:14:32,353 --> 00:14:34,407 And very looking forward to that event, 221 00:14:34,407 --> 00:14:40,308 Finally, we mentioned this last time, we are coming out soon with our blind ticket for Into the Box 2026. 222 00:14:40,308 --> 00:14:49,086 What that means is you buy a ticket without knowing what the workshops or speakers are going to be, and in return, we give it to you at a great discount. 223 00:14:49,086 --> 00:14:53,019 So you put your faith in us that we're gonna run a great event, you get a great discount. 224 00:14:53,019 --> 00:14:53,630 Win-win. 225 00:14:53,630 --> 00:14:54,202 Win-win. 226 00:14:54,202 --> 00:14:59,978 Now we have a question in the chat I wanted to jump back to from Scott Steinbeck with the new Maven integration. 227 00:14:59,978 --> 00:15:06,932 Asking if the Maven command was a part of command box or part of the BoxLang jar and I believe the answer is neither. 228 00:15:06,932 --> 00:15:11,728 It's you installing Maven onto your system according to the website documentation. 229 00:15:11,728 --> 00:15:16,434 So the normal Maven command, nothing that we are hooking into or anything. 230 00:15:16,434 --> 00:15:18,748 In fact, when you do a Maven install, it's all 231 00:15:18,748 --> 00:15:20,064 Normal Java Maven. 232 00:15:20,064 --> 00:15:23,456 I feel like we need a blog post explaining this functionality. 233 00:15:23,456 --> 00:15:24,841 This seems very important. 234 00:15:24,841 --> 00:15:26,740 And yes, that and the video. 235 00:15:26,740 --> 00:15:28,137 Luis, make it happen. 236 00:15:28,137 --> 00:15:28,751 Mm-hmm. 237 00:15:28,751 --> 00:15:29,335 All right. 238 00:15:29,335 --> 00:15:30,857 So we have a few minutes left. 239 00:15:30,857 --> 00:15:32,559 Usually at this point we're over time. 240 00:15:32,559 --> 00:15:38,173 And so I have some things in our show notes from Microsoft Build, which was a few weeks ago. 241 00:15:38,173 --> 00:15:42,013 So it might be old news, but things that I think are fun to talk about. 242 00:15:42,013 --> 00:15:48,112 Did you, see the new copilot features inside GitHub, like the GitHub website? 243 00:15:48,112 --> 00:15:49,141 no, I haven't. 244 00:15:49,141 --> 00:15:49,997 should tell me about that. 245 00:15:49,997 --> 00:15:56,340 So there is now, so CoPilot's been in VS Code for a long time, can do a lot for you. 246 00:15:56,340 --> 00:16:01,622 Now inside of GitHub, you can assign it as a reviewer of your pull request. 247 00:16:01,622 --> 00:16:05,542 And it will pull the code down, and I don't even know what it does. 248 00:16:05,542 --> 00:16:07,813 I'm afraid to try it. 249 00:16:07,813 --> 00:16:11,166 But do a code review, which, okay, interesting. 250 00:16:11,166 --> 00:16:15,418 Having my code reviewed by the robot that usually gets it wrong, but you know, we'll see. 251 00:16:15,418 --> 00:16:28,262 Additionally, and I'm not sure how you like turn this on or you can assign, I believe, issues, GitHub issues to GitHub Copilot, and it will attempt to fix it, make a pull 252 00:16:28,262 --> 00:16:31,214 request, and open that pull request back up. 253 00:16:31,214 --> 00:16:36,389 So like assigning a ticket to an AI bot, which is kind of boggling my mind. 254 00:16:36,389 --> 00:16:39,772 I kind of want to try it, but again, don't know if I trust it. 255 00:16:39,772 --> 00:16:41,024 I guess that's what tests are for. 256 00:16:41,024 --> 00:16:47,869 But yeah, that was the biggest one for me, not being like a Microsoft guy where I was like, this is interesting. 257 00:16:47,869 --> 00:16:55,970 How do you feel about throwing some GitHub issue at GitHub Copilot and having it go off and fix it and open the pull request for you? 258 00:16:55,970 --> 00:16:58,574 If you'd asked me a few weeks ago, I would have said not good. 259 00:16:58,574 --> 00:17:06,074 But actually I've been playing around with some of the AI stuff as well and especially with Copilot and Claude 4, that's an amazing combo. 260 00:17:06,074 --> 00:17:08,248 And I'd be willing to let it take a shot. 261 00:17:08,248 --> 00:17:11,013 So does GitHub Copilot let you use Cloud then? 262 00:17:11,013 --> 00:17:15,530 Cause isn't Microsoft, I thought Microsoft Copilot was the AI engine. 263 00:17:15,530 --> 00:17:16,769 Maybe I have this wrong. 264 00:17:16,769 --> 00:17:22,844 Well, so actually, it's cool that we're bringing this up because this will be maybe some future announcements in some of our podcasts. 265 00:17:22,844 --> 00:17:33,737 But at least in VS code, when you put your copilot into agent mode, you're able to pick the specific LLM that you want to use for your work. 266 00:17:33,737 --> 00:17:36,410 And Cloud4 is one of the ones that's accessible to it. 267 00:17:36,410 --> 00:17:46,176 And actually we just got a comment from Ben K that it's not as familiar with CFML, which is true, but that's why we've been adding in some of the BoxLang AI chat features like the 268 00:17:46,176 --> 00:17:48,118 BoxLang participant and things like that. 269 00:17:48,118 --> 00:17:56,302 We've found some ways in the VS Code documentation to be able to give it the information it needs to be able to interact with our ecosystem even without even having been trained a 270 00:17:56,302 --> 00:17:57,144 couple of years ago. 271 00:17:57,144 --> 00:17:58,495 So look forward to that in the future. 272 00:17:58,495 --> 00:17:59,686 That's going to be pretty exciting. 273 00:17:59,686 --> 00:18:06,983 Well, maybe after this podcast, there's been a couple of, quick issues that have been out there that I'm like, I wish I could, I had the time to dig into this. 274 00:18:06,983 --> 00:18:11,812 Maybe we'll, we'll throw a co-pilot at it, see how much of a mess it makes. 275 00:18:11,812 --> 00:18:23,203 don't let me see if there was anything else interesting at Microsoft build, the WSL, the. 276 00:18:23,203 --> 00:18:27,488 Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source, which, sure, cool. 277 00:18:27,488 --> 00:18:28,950 And they made their own Vim. 278 00:18:28,950 --> 00:18:30,034 I don't know if you saw this. 279 00:18:30,034 --> 00:18:33,168 I kind of laugh, again, based off the WSL news. 280 00:18:33,168 --> 00:18:41,583 Microsoft is just very much like, no, DOS, or whatever you call them now, command line, PowerShell, is like full throttle. 281 00:18:41,583 --> 00:18:46,218 They will not let it die or they will not accept to just, we should just do Unix tools. 282 00:18:46,218 --> 00:18:51,906 ah But yeah, now you can do, it's called Microsoft Edit and it's, Vim is the wrong word, it's more Emacs. 283 00:18:51,906 --> 00:18:53,127 Emacs for PowerShell. 284 00:18:53,127 --> 00:18:57,073 So if that's been your dream for these many years, congratulations. 285 00:18:57,073 --> 00:19:02,869 You can go download Edit on Windows, which is not the best name, but it is what it is. 286 00:19:03,268 --> 00:19:05,251 Yep, well notepad was already taken, 287 00:19:05,251 --> 00:19:07,913 And notepad++, which is still one of my favorite names. 288 00:19:07,913 --> 00:19:13,407 In fact, hopefully everybody has noticed that we took inspiration from that for the BoxLang subscriptions. 289 00:19:13,407 --> 00:19:18,521 They were talking about BoxLang +, and there were other names floated, but it had to be++. 290 00:19:18,521 --> 00:19:19,381 BoxLang++. 291 00:19:19,381 --> 00:19:24,023 So I guess we could have gone the Apple naming route, right? 292 00:19:24,023 --> 00:19:28,066 We could have done, let's see, it's Pro, Max, and Ultra in that order. 293 00:19:28,066 --> 00:19:30,451 because Ultra is bigger than Max, somehow? 294 00:19:30,451 --> 00:19:31,683 Anyways, awesome. 295 00:19:31,683 --> 00:19:37,468 Well, let's wrap up and thank all of you for listening and especially thank all of our Patreon sponsors. 296 00:19:37,468 --> 00:19:43,444 These are individuals and 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