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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun, in

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<v Speaker 1>practical ways. Everybody the Bible Guys man, we appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 2>That was pretty enthusiastic.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, well you know what, Jeff, I'm a bold

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<v Speaker 1>of enthusiasm.

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<v Speaker 2>You're nothing if you're not enthusiastics.

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<v Speaker 1>I am. Yeah, and you know what, pure enthusiasm is

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get me through this episode. Not Bible knowledge, but

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<v Speaker 1>pure enthusiasms.

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<v Speaker 2>We've already established that for both of us.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. That's right. Hey, well listen we uh before

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<v Speaker 1>we dive into the Book of Hebrews.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we are.

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<v Speaker 1>We are going to do what Desiree calls a hot

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<v Speaker 1>takes showdown. Now, this is a very quick segment, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is what she says. She says, stand your ground

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<v Speaker 1>while debating these topics.

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<v Speaker 2>No middle Oh, but I'll be honest.

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<v Speaker 1>She picked she picked two very very bold statements like

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<v Speaker 1>it's one thing to say so kind of, but she said, definitively.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I hadn't even read these.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I just read them a second ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you're right, I don't know if I.

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<v Speaker 1>Could definitively stand on my grounds on both of these,

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<v Speaker 1>although I do want to build a case for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, go ahead, all right, you want me to take So

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<v Speaker 2>the first one is Taco Bell is the best fast

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<v Speaker 2>food restaurant out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Ok. Well, it depends on what she means by the

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<v Speaker 1>word best. I'm a very literal person, so best means

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<v Speaker 1>it has to be number one, superior, which means on

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<v Speaker 1>all different levels. So if I were to be literal,

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<v Speaker 1>I would.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's best, Your best or everybody else's best? No, my

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<v Speaker 2>favorite has to be your fath Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's the thing. I think Chick fil a is

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<v Speaker 1>a much better fast food restaurant. However, I go to

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<v Speaker 1>Taco Bell ten times more than I do Chick fil

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<v Speaker 1>Ay because I love it that much.

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<v Speaker 2>You love Taco Bell.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but see, I already have this love hate relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with Taco Bell, which I know my body is not

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<v Speaker 1>going to thank me the next day, right, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>sluggish afterwards. I'll get up in the middle of the night,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, worship the porcelain God.

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<v Speaker 2>But you love it. I love it, you love it.

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<v Speaker 1>But then I then I'm also angry about it because

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<v Speaker 1>they'll bring items and then they'll take them away. They'll

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<v Speaker 1>just they'll bring them and I'm like, this is the

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<v Speaker 1>best I am. They're like just kidding and they'll take

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<v Speaker 1>them away. And I don't understand that philosophy.

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<v Speaker 2>I just I I it feels to me like even

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<v Speaker 2>though she said no middle ground, it feels like you

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<v Speaker 2>are just conquering the middle ground here.

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<v Speaker 1>I am, which which again because she used the word best.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think I think the proof is in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't tell me what you think is best, show me

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<v Speaker 2>what's best. And in your life, you're showing me that

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<v Speaker 2>Taco Bell is what's best.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's my conundrum.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, yeah, the Book of James. It's a biblical principle. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>don't just talk about faith.

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<v Speaker 1>Faith, Jeff w I right there, I sit at your feet.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm I'm just trying to enforce the rules. She

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<v Speaker 2>said no middle ground, and you just spent the whole

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<v Speaker 2>time in the middle ground.

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<v Speaker 1>I did, Okay, But I think your.

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<v Speaker 2>Lifestyle proves Okay, Taco Bell is your favorite.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, then yes, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go full

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<v Speaker 1>all in. Taco Bell is the best one out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I crave it the most. I have it the most.

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<v Speaker 1>It's my greatest weakness of all the fast food restaurants.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think when I hit and when they bring

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<v Speaker 1>back an item that I love, I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>You love it? So what what what item have they

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<v Speaker 2>recently brought back that you love?

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<v Speaker 1>They brought back the Mexican pizza for the umpteenth time.

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<v Speaker 1>They took away the inchurito. They brought it back. Now

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<v Speaker 1>they took it away again. Haha, it's gone forever. You're

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<v Speaker 1>so funny. The chili cheese burrita, the Gordidas are gone, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean all these different things.

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<v Speaker 2>You're convincing me. There is no middle ground for you.

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<v Speaker 2>This is I can't go through the Taco Bell menu.

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<v Speaker 1>What you don't know these things?

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<v Speaker 2>Well I know them. When you say them, I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>think of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I still remember the Bell Beefer when I was a kid.

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<v Speaker 2>Bell Beefer.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was actually a hamburger.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I remember, I remember let cheese. It was essentially

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<v Speaker 2>a Mexican sloppy Joe what it was.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm telling you we love the Bell Beefers, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're just like just kidding. No more Bell Beefers, no

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<v Speaker 1>more happiness.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well I'm going to stand my ground and say

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<v Speaker 2>this is a ridiculous statement. It's not true. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that the best fast food restaurant in America is Boy.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I'm about to waffle on this one. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>say Shakeshack.

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<v Speaker 1>Whoa you mean shake shack Okay, at first I thought

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<v Speaker 1>you were gonna say steak.

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<v Speaker 2>And shake shake shack y. Yeah, those are those are

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<v Speaker 2>the best fast food. Smash burgers. I like the crinkly fries,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I like all their varieties.

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<v Speaker 1>And I literally don't know another human that would say

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<v Speaker 1>that is the best fast You know.

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<v Speaker 2>The guy who founded Shakeshack was a very high end

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<v Speaker 2>He ran one of the top restaurants in the world

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<v Speaker 2>when he founded Shakeshak. Really that's a fact. Yeah, wow, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a legit chef.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, I've never once heard a single

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<v Speaker 1>person say, hey, let's go get some eat real quick.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go to Shakeshak.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because it costs you three arms and two legs.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh it's expensive, but you drop in there and if

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<v Speaker 2>you order a single burger, a fry, and a drink,

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna cast you twenty bucks. Yeah, that's why. By

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<v Speaker 2>the way, as opposed to a tackle bell. You could

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<v Speaker 2>have ordered half the menu twice.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, exactly, which, by the way, just because this was

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit quicker of a segment, even though we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't get to the second question yet. Do you know

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<v Speaker 1>where the phrase that will cast your arm and a

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<v Speaker 1>leg came from? No, back when they used to do

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<v Speaker 1>massive self portraits of important people, right, yeah. Yeah. They

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<v Speaker 1>would always paint from the chest up, and you often

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes see like full portraits all the way down where

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a full body and they would charge you

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<v Speaker 1>by an arm down to your waist, full legs and

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to cast your armored leg is because the

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<v Speaker 1>cost was dependent on how big the suff portrait was.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I knew that as soon as you start talking

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<v Speaker 2>about it. I remember reading that before. That's great, man, Yeah, okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>now's the second one. Pizza is way better cold.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna have to say, no, way, yeah, it is good.

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<v Speaker 2>There is no debate on this one.

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<v Speaker 1>No, there's no debate.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sorry, now, way, she even used way better.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm saying. What a strong statement. Way better.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not just better, Jack, I know it is way better.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm almost embarrassed by the question.

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<v Speaker 1>If she would have said way better hot, we'd have

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<v Speaker 1>been like absolutely absolutely, Yeah, tell me why it's not

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<v Speaker 1>better cold.

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<v Speaker 2>Because it's better hot. The melty cheese, a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of grease, pulling in the in the in the the

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<v Speaker 2>the pepperonis, yeah yeah, yea. The soft sausage.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, you're getting hung good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So that was a quick one for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>The garliky flavor stands out a little bit more.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's no middle ground on this one either. I

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<v Speaker 1>like cold pizza. I just don't know. I don't I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think I know anybody. I'm not sure I've asked

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<v Speaker 1>this question. Really, Hey, you like a better cold? I

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<v Speaker 1>do know that almost everybody I know likes cold pizza. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I like cold pizza. I'll eat it, it's just not better.

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<v Speaker 2>I just got a pizza stone from my from my grill.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you build yourself in a wood fire oven?

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<v Speaker 2>No, it goes inside of my smoker. Oh it's so good.

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<v Speaker 1>The wait the stone. Yeah, you're gonna make pizza in

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<v Speaker 1>your grill? Oh, in your smoker?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah yeah yeah, because my smoker will go up

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<v Speaker 2>to six hundred degrees.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it's a it's a wood pellette smoker like

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<v Speaker 2>six degrees and the stone goes in there. We make

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<v Speaker 2>our dough, we put it in there and make the

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<v Speaker 2>whole pizza thing. Put it in there. It's like crispy

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<v Speaker 2>on the bottom. It tastes like and smells like wood

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<v Speaker 2>fired pizza, because that's what it is. It's inside the smoker.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, and it's amazing and your your family loves it.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, well you just said I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it. I like it because it makes a mess.

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<v Speaker 2>I destroyed the whole kitchen. So my wife's like, are

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<v Speaker 2>we making pizza again? Because that's when I cook. I

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<v Speaker 2>get like every pan, every measuring cup. I destroy the

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<v Speaker 2>kitchen and then it takes us an hour to clean

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<v Speaker 2>it up. But I like it. Anyways, there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>So we held our ground on one and then we

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<v Speaker 2>both took the same position on the other. So it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't a debate. You we didn't hold our ground. We're

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<v Speaker 2>debating with her. That's it. You're wrong, We're right. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what standing your ground really means. It means

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<v Speaker 1>attaching your name and your opinion to to to what

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<v Speaker 1>you say.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yes, that's credit.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's attaching your name to it. And you know

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<v Speaker 1>what doesn't have any name attached to it?

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<v Speaker 2>What the Book of Hebrews. Yeah, you're right, that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't know who the author is.

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<v Speaker 1>That's correct. Which, by the way, if you are a

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<v Speaker 1>person who wants to get to know more about the Bible,

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<v Speaker 1>you know you can you can sort of take some

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<v Speaker 1>books of the Bible. You can categorize them, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's like we said just yesterday, there's my major prophets,

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<v Speaker 1>minor prophets. We talked about Jeremiah. In the New Testament,

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<v Speaker 1>there's the Gospels, and then there's the Birth of the Church,

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<v Speaker 1>and then there's the Prison epistles. You know, Paul wrote

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<v Speaker 1>those when he was in the prison and all those

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<v Speaker 1>kind of things. And then there's Hebrews. And Hebrews, I

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<v Speaker 1>New Testament, right that one.

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<v Speaker 2>In Jude I would say, right, well, I would say,

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<v Speaker 2>Hebrews balances off Romans. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So in Romans,

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<v Speaker 2>Paul's explaining the Gospel to gentiles, and he's kind of tough,

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<v Speaker 2>buttoning up all the loose ends so they understand. In Hebrews,

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<v Speaker 2>the author of Hebrews is kind of doing the same thing, except.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, like Jews that would really know their own theology.

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<v Speaker 1>of people, but I know that there's definitely a lot

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<v Speaker 2>All in the King James version which we grew up reading, right, Paul,

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<v Speaker 2>when he writes, sometimes a whole chapter will be one great, big,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes that happens, where it's eight, nine, ten, twelve verses,

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<v Speaker 2>this has got to be Paul, right. And then there's

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<v Speaker 2>other times I read it and it doesn't sound anything

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<v Speaker 2>like how Paul writes. In Romans, for instance, Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>Paul also is the one who said I've become all

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<v Speaker 2>I might save some. I think he also was very much,

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<v Speaker 1>He could have written this in pharisee mode, yeah right,

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe it was the style of the Pharisees. That's

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<v Speaker 2>He's a full on Hebrew theologian. Yes, that's saying, and

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus is the messiah we were looking for. Yeah right,

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<v Speaker 2>that that's what he's doing. And I don't know that

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<v Speaker 2>we know anybody else in that early Christian history. There

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<v Speaker 2>have been some people who've questioned if Nicodemus wrote it,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, right, I had it. He was a pharisee,

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<v Speaker 2>and the first Christian pharisee we know, first christ Father.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's there's there's been that question to have something.

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<v Speaker 1>I keep reaching for it cobweb or something.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, so, so there it could be that.

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<v Speaker 2>It could be some people think silas because we don't

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<v Speaker 2>have silas. Thank you. It's oh, there you go, that's

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<v Speaker 2>it tickling me, yeah, thank you. We're like gorillas now,

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<v Speaker 2>so uh, some people think maybe silas. Some people have

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<v Speaker 2>suggested Barnabas. There's no real evidence of that. Yeah. Priscilla

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<v Speaker 2>specifically is interesting because it's not signed. A woman would

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<v Speaker 2>not have signed a treatise like this back then, right

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<v Speaker 2>times wouldn't take credit. They'd write under male pseudonyms and

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<v Speaker 2>things for credibility. So that's it. I don't believe that

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<v Speaker 2>that's the case here. And then when I get to

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<v Speaker 2>this chapter, chapter thirteen, I finally come back and go

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<v Speaker 2>chapters it's Paul. No, it's not Paul. It's Paul. No,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not Paul. But I get the chapter thirteen and

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<v Speaker 2>I end it with I think it's Paul.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's because he ends this book the same way

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<v Speaker 2>he ends every book. He writes, Oh, he's got like

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<v Speaker 2>nine things, he needs a cram it. Don't forget this,

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<v Speaker 2>don't forget this, don't forget this, for don't forget this. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's kind of what he's doing. So let's just

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<v Speaker 2>read it and you'll pick up on it. Says, keep

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<v Speaker 2>on loving each other as brothers and sisters. Don't forget

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<v Speaker 2>to show hospitality to strangers. For some who've done this,

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<v Speaker 2>I entertained angels without realizing it. We've talked about that

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<v Speaker 2>many times, right, Remember those in prison. So you see,

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<v Speaker 2>he just said, keep on loving each other, show hospitality.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember people in prison. Angels, Yeah, angels. He just cramming

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<v Speaker 2>stuff in now at this point, at the end, it's

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<v Speaker 2>wants to finish stuff. Remember also those being mistreated, as

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<v Speaker 2>if you felt their pain in your own bodies. Give

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<v Speaker 2>honor to marriage. Where is this come from? Give honor

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<v Speaker 2>to marriage? Or remain faithful to one another in marriage.

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<v Speaker 2>God will surely judge people who are immoral and those

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<v Speaker 2>who commit adultery. Don't love money. Now he's talking about money.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't love money. Be satisfied with what you have, for

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<v Speaker 2>God has said I will never fail you, I will

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<v Speaker 2>never abandon you. So we can say with confidence the

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<v Speaker 2>Lord is my helper, So I will have no fear.

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<v Speaker 2>What can your people do to me? Now he's talking

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<v Speaker 2>about leaders. Remember your leaders who taught you the word

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<v Speaker 2>of God. Think of all the good that has come

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<v Speaker 2>from their lives, and follow the example of their faith.

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus Christ is the same, yesterday, today and forever. So

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<v Speaker 2>do not be attracted by strange new ideas. Your strength

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<v Speaker 2>comes from God's grace, not from rules about food, which

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<v Speaker 2>don't help those who follow them. Where did the food

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<v Speaker 2>thing come from?

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<v Speaker 1>No idea.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even remember him talking about food in Hebrews,

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<v Speaker 2>but he brings it up here, he says. But Paul

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<v Speaker 2>talks about it in Philippians, right, he talks about in Galatius.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't even mention. He just says, your strength comes

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<v Speaker 1>from God's grace. No romans from rules about food.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, he talks about food, and romans he talks

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<v Speaker 2>about So we have an altar from which the priests

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<v Speaker 2>in the Tabernacle have no right to eat under the

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<v Speaker 2>old system, the right the high priests brought the blood

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<v Speaker 2>of animals into the Holy Place as a sacrifice for sin,

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<v Speaker 2>and the bodies of the animals were burned outside the camp.

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<v Speaker 2>So also Jesus suffered and died outside the city gates

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<v Speaker 2>to make holy his people holy by means of his

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<v Speaker 2>own blood. So let us go out to him outside

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<v Speaker 2>the camp and bear the disgrace hebore. For this world

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<v Speaker 2>is not our permanent home. We are looking forward to

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<v Speaker 2>a home yet to come. Therefore, let us offer through

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus a continual sacrifice of praise to God, proclaiming our

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<v Speaker 2>allegiance to his name. And don't forget to do good

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<v Speaker 2>and to share with those in need. These are the

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<v Speaker 2>sacrifices that police God. Obey your spiritual leaders who do

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<v Speaker 2>what they and do what they say. Their work is

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<v Speaker 2>to watch over your souls, and they are accountable to God.

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<v Speaker 2>Give them reason to do this with joy and not

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<v Speaker 2>with sorrow that would certainly not be for your benefit.

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<v Speaker 2>Pray for us, for our conscience is clear, and we

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<v Speaker 2>want to live honorably in everything we do. And especially

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<v Speaker 2>pray that I'll be able to come back to you soon.

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<v Speaker 2>That feels like Paul. Now, may the Grace of Peace

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<v Speaker 2>or the God of Peace, who brought up from the

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<v Speaker 2>dead our Lord Jesus, the Great Shepherd of the Sheep,

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<v Speaker 2>and ratified an eternal covenant with his blood. May He

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<v Speaker 2>equip you with all you need for doing his will.

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<v Speaker 2>May He produce in you, through the power of Jesus Christ,

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<v Speaker 2>every good thing that is pleasing to him, All glory

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<v Speaker 2>to Him forever and ever. Amen. That feels like Paul.

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<v Speaker 2>I urge you, dear brothers and sisters, to pay attention

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<v Speaker 2>to what I've written in this brief exhortation. That feels

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<v Speaker 2>like Paul. I want you to know that our brother

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<v Speaker 2>Timothy has been released from jail.

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<v Speaker 1>That really sounds like Paul.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the only time is mentioned that Timothy ever

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<v Speaker 2>went to jail. By the way, if he comes here soon,

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<v Speaker 2>I will bring him with me to see you. Greet

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<v Speaker 2>all your leaders and all the believers there. The believers

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<v Speaker 2>from Italy send you their greetings. That sounds like Paul.

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<v Speaker 2>Make God's grace be with you all. So it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>it that he's just He talks about marriage, he talks

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<v Speaker 2>about money, he talks about leaders, he talks about he

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<v Speaker 2>talks about theology, Jesus dying outside the city. He talks

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<v Speaker 2>about everything in this last ten Yeah. Yeah, food, the law, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>be kind to people and yeah yeah, angels yeah angels yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, you're right. He does that often at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of chapters. He just sort of at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the books, it's almost like, hey, uh now mom

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<v Speaker 1>babysitter and make sure that you're really good. Well, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like it's like, okay, now, don't forget, don't forget, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, make your bed, go to bed on time,

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<v Speaker 1>brush your teeth, right, it's all those things. And so

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<v Speaker 1>Paul is like he's sort of saying that. He's saying like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll come I'll come back soon, just like the babysittering, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm coming back back soon, but don't forget. In the meantime,

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<v Speaker 1>do these twelve things right.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like and it's no fighting, right, don't jump

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<v Speaker 2>on the bed, you know. So anyways, I think it

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<v Speaker 2>feels very much like Paul Paul's writing here, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>one of the reasons why I love the chapter so

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<v Speaker 2>much is because he genuinely loves the people he's writing to.

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<v Speaker 2>This isn't just some kind of theological treatise where he's

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<v Speaker 2>is listen. He starts off talking to dear brothers and sisters.

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<v Speaker 2>He's ending talking to dear brothers and sisters. He's saying, listen,

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<v Speaker 2>let me use my expertise. So, whether this is Paul

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<v Speaker 2>or not, whoever's writing it has a love for the

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<v Speaker 2>very deeply. He knows their belief system very well, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's able to connect everything they believe to Jesus. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>let me start at the beginning of the Bible, get

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<v Speaker 2>to the end of the Bible. Everything points to Jesus.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just telling you, if you knew Jesus like I

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<v Speaker 2>know Jesus, everything would change. And I've talked about that before.

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<v Speaker 2>I've had different people that you know, working around the world,

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<v Speaker 2>talking to people who were really skeptical of me being

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<v Speaker 2>coming into his village and I admitted to him I'm

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, I believe Jesus loves Christians and Jews.

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<v Speaker 2>But I said, I also believes he loves Palestinians and

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<v Speaker 2>Egyptians and he loves you, and he goes, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that too. I said, it's fantastic, and he goes, well,

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<v Speaker 2>then why are you here? He said, are you trying

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<v Speaker 2>to make us all become Christians? And I felt like

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<v Speaker 2>and he totally like it diffused everything because he's thinking,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a battle of religions, right, and it said,

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<v Speaker 2>time you find him going, I just wish you knew

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<v Speaker 2>what I knew. I wish because Jesus changes everything, and

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<v Speaker 2>you get to this point where he's like, Jesus is

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<v Speaker 2>sacrificial system and then made himself the sacrifice. That's all.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the same yesterday, today, and he'll be the same forever.

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<v Speaker 2>If you just knew this, it changed everything. I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I love the comparison. How I mean, think

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<v Speaker 1>about all the different symbolisms. He's like, Hey, you know

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<v Speaker 1>how God used to live in the temple. Well, guess

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<v Speaker 1>what your body's now the temple, he says. You know

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<v Speaker 1>how like you had to have a priest be the

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<v Speaker 1>mediator between you and then the God who lives in

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<v Speaker 1>the temple, Jesus is the high priest. And he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know how you had to bring a sacrifice

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<v Speaker 1>to pay for your sins. Jesus is also the sacrifice, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's going on and on, and he's saying, like,

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<v Speaker 1>all the things you grew up with, all the symbolism,

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<v Speaker 1>even even to the point where he's saying like, just

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<v Speaker 1>like it's outside the city, it's even down to the

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<v Speaker 1>very location, right, and all the symbolism about about it.

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<v Speaker 2>He squeezes that. In the end, he's already had this big,

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<v Speaker 2>long theological argument saying it's all about Jesus anyway. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, and he died outside the city.

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<v Speaker 1>Right right, right, it's great. So yeah, I'm gonna tell

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<v Speaker 1>you a quick thing. I'm not sure I've ever told

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<v Speaker 1>you this before, but Hebrews four sixteen, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm you know, just jumping around just for the sake

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<v Speaker 1>of this conversation. But it said, this is when he's

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<v Speaker 1>talking about Jesus Christ is our high priest, yes, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And so verse fourteen says, so, then, since we have

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<v Speaker 1>a great high priest who has entered heaven, Jesus the

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<v Speaker 1>Son of God, let us hold firmly to what we believe.

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<v Speaker 1>This high priest of ours understands our weaknesses, and he

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<v Speaker 1>has faced all the same test things we do, yet

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<v Speaker 1>he did not sin. And then here's the verse I

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<v Speaker 1>chose for my ministry. It says, so let us come

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<v Speaker 1>boldly to the throne of our gracious God, and there

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<v Speaker 1>we receive his mercy, and we'll find grace to help

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<v Speaker 1>us when we need it the most. Right. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that nobody could enter the Holy of Holies. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>But then obviously the veil rips in two. There's another symbolism, right,

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<v Speaker 1>there's another piece of you know, symbolism where when the

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<v Speaker 1>veil rips in two, the spirit of God, which had

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<v Speaker 1>an address, now rushes out, and now God exists in

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<v Speaker 1>the heart of every believer. So God ceases to be

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<v Speaker 1>in one location, and now God is everywhere because of

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<v Speaker 1>the veil, right, And so so every time you bow

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<v Speaker 1>your head, you are entering into God's throne room. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So it's you know, long you have to go to

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<v Speaker 1>a location. You bow your head before our heavenly Father,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're before his before his face. You become bold

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<v Speaker 1>to the throne of our gracious God. And so that's

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<v Speaker 1>the invitation. So here's what I looked up. I looked

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<v Speaker 1>up this big diagram. Now, I started a college ministry

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<v Speaker 1>and it was on the third floor of the educational building,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I called the ministry third floor, okay, And

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted people to know where it was. But I

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<v Speaker 1>based it off of this, and I said, if you

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<v Speaker 1>do a study on the temple, the Holy Holies is

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<v Speaker 1>on the third level. So there's one set of stairs,

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<v Speaker 1>two sets of stairs, and then on the third level

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<v Speaker 1>is the Holy of Holies. So every time you buy

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<v Speaker 1>your head, welcome to the third floor. That that was

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<v Speaker 1>the idea, right, And it was this all. It was

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<v Speaker 1>all this symbolism and everything else, and people are like, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the coolest ministry. That's the coolest meaning, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>And I would always give that meaning. I would always

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<v Speaker 1>read that verse. I would say, it's the third floor

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<v Speaker 1>of the temple, welcome to the third floor. And then

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<v Speaker 1>we moved and our college ministry no longer met on

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<v Speaker 1>the third floor. And now all of a sudden we

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<v Speaker 1>met on the first floor of the student center. And

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<v Speaker 1>everybody came to me and they go, so, what are

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<v Speaker 1>you gonna call the ministry? And I said, third floor,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's the third floor of the it's the presence

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<v Speaker 1>of God. And they're like, that doesn't make any sense.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, then you never got it. And I can

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<v Speaker 1>totally tell who got it and who did right, but

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<v Speaker 1>like ninety percent of the people didn't get it.

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<v Speaker 2>And every time I said, well, now we meet on

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<v Speaker 2>the first floor, not like every time you pray, you

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<v Speaker 2>were on the third floor.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, that's right, but nobody got it, and so

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<v Speaker 1>and so anyway, I kept the third floor, and I

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<v Speaker 1>had to like bend over backwards, explaining to people the

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<v Speaker 1>symbolism of, you know, of the New Testainment.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, finally he knows he's talking to people who are

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<v Speaker 2>going to struggle with that same thing. So in verse

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen he says, therefore, let us offer through Jesus, a

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<v Speaker 2>continual sacrifice of praise to God, proclaiming our allegiance in

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<v Speaker 2>his name, and don't forget to do good and share

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<v Speaker 2>with those in need. Those are the sacrifices that please God.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's buttoning it all up, explaining, listen, Jesus is

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<v Speaker 2>the sacrifice. You don't need a sacrifice anymore. You want

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<v Speaker 2>to keep sacrificing for God, worship Him through Jesus.

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<v Speaker 1>That's awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>And then bring the sacrifice of doing good for others, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and those sacrifices please God now. And yeah, so he's

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<v Speaker 2>still pointing the fact that it's all symbolic. So it's great, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I love it. Good one well toay.

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<v Speaker 1>Just as a reminder, our key verse today was Jesus

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<v Speaker 1>is the same yesterday today changes he's unchanging, He's unfailing.

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<v Speaker 1>The God of the Old Testament is the God of

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<v Speaker 1>the New Testament. It's the same God of our lives,

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<v Speaker 1>with the same promises, so that is definitely our time.

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<v Speaker 1>So hopefully we'll see you tomorrow on the Baba Gus