WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:02.876 --> 00:00:04.166 Matt: You're really gonna love this part. 00:00:04.166 --> 00:00:04.706 Are you ready? 00:00:05.816 --> 00:00:08.186 I have no idea what we're talking about today. 00:00:13.916 --> 00:00:14.786 Oh man. 00:00:15.506 --> 00:00:16.316 100. 00:00:16.436 --> 00:00:18.086 How many points do I get for that one? 00:00:18.086 --> 00:00:20.246 How much XP do I get for that? 00:00:21.266 --> 00:00:24.116 Alison: You get XP for admitting it, right. 00:00:24.146 --> 00:00:26.576 For not coming in here and trying to bullshit me. 00:00:27.356 --> 00:00:29.156 I would see right through it anyways. 00:00:30.146 --> 00:00:30.596 But, 00:00:30.776 --> 00:00:31.556 Matt: Oh boy. 00:00:31.766 --> 00:00:32.036 Oh. 00:00:32.196 --> 00:00:36.446 Alison: This is our, our last, episode before I take a vacation. 00:00:36.506 --> 00:00:37.466 And it is 00:00:37.631 --> 00:00:38.291 Matt: It better be good. 00:00:38.815 --> 00:00:39.175 Alison: Yeah. 00:00:39.175 --> 00:00:42.866 Lining up to be the, the height of, professionalism, 00:00:42.866 --> 00:00:46.946 sophistication, chaos, and otherwise. 00:00:47.426 --> 00:00:47.906 Feels good. 00:00:47.906 --> 00:00:48.505 Feels great. 00:00:49.571 --> 00:00:50.291 Matt: It does. 00:00:51.090 --> 00:00:53.700 Alison: Aren't those of you who joined us live on YouTube, excited 00:00:53.705 --> 00:00:56.881 that you did so you could see Matt's happy dance that he did just now? 00:00:57.001 --> 00:00:58.605 Matt: I do a little happy dance a lot though? 00:00:58.666 --> 00:01:00.405 I really do dance a lot. 00:01:00.750 --> 00:01:01.170 Alison: Mm-hmm 00:01:02.385 --> 00:01:03.840 Matt: I mean, you can attest to that. 00:01:04.450 --> 00:01:05.170 Alison: I can. 00:01:05.170 --> 00:01:06.381 There's always a lot of dancing. 00:01:06.381 --> 00:01:07.506 Matt: There's a lot of dancing. 00:01:08.041 --> 00:01:12.171 Alison: So I thought today, we could talk about your favorite, things! 00:01:12.511 --> 00:01:14.161 You know, instead of Oprah's Favorite Things episode 00:01:14.161 --> 00:01:15.841 it's Matt's Favorite Things. 00:01:15.841 --> 00:01:21.841 So this is, this could be the episode where you walk us through all of the 00:01:21.841 --> 00:01:25.321 different bits and baubles that you have to keep yourself productive. 00:01:25.489 --> 00:01:28.399 Matt: Oh man, I can always talk about productivity systems. 00:01:29.029 --> 00:01:31.586 I mean, it's all I ever think about. 00:01:32.666 --> 00:01:33.506 First off. 00:01:34.136 --> 00:01:34.886 Hello, Alison. 00:01:36.266 --> 00:01:36.916 How are you? 00:01:37.346 --> 00:01:38.536 Alison: I'm good, how are you? 00:01:40.388 --> 00:01:43.268 Matt: Um, let's see. 00:01:43.328 --> 00:01:43.658 Yes. 00:01:43.658 --> 00:01:47.798 So today we were gonna talk about productivity methods or I was 00:01:47.798 --> 00:01:51.398 specifically gonna talk about productivity methods, and then I forgot about that. 00:01:51.704 --> 00:01:59.684 We could kind of talk about it in terms of tools of course, but also just 00:01:59.977 --> 00:02:02.004 Alison: Like things we do to get through the day. 00:02:02.064 --> 00:02:03.384 I have some of those. 00:02:03.639 --> 00:02:06.429 Matt: Tricks, tips, tips, and tricks! 00:02:06.999 --> 00:02:09.579 Alison: I love that we're on video, cuz it gives me the chance to show 00:02:09.579 --> 00:02:10.659 off which dice I'm rolling with. 00:02:11.269 --> 00:02:16.929 And so this is since this is our first live stream, I decided to roll with 00:02:16.929 --> 00:02:19.059 the very first set of dice that I got. 00:02:19.599 --> 00:02:23.299 So this is the super sparkles are, uh, were a gift from Fitz. 00:02:24.843 --> 00:02:25.293 Matt: I'm ready. 00:02:25.653 --> 00:02:26.073 dice. 00:02:26.423 --> 00:02:27.293 Dee dee dee dee dee 00:02:27.743 --> 00:02:30.143 Alison: I rolled a 21. 00:02:30.682 --> 00:02:35.472 Matt: All right, Alison, what is one topic that you researched so thoroughly 00:02:35.712 --> 00:02:41.982 during a moment of hyperfocus that you are now an accidental expert on it? 00:02:42.361 --> 00:02:43.071 Alison: Wow. 00:02:43.291 --> 00:02:48.226 Matt: went into such a zone, such a rabbit hole that you came out the other side. 00:02:48.226 --> 00:02:52.066 Like I know, I know something better, more than anybody. 00:02:52.071 --> 00:02:53.326 I actually have one of those too. 00:02:53.802 --> 00:03:00.712 Alison: Uh, uh, I think that's how I got started in marketing and more 00:03:00.712 --> 00:03:02.512 specifically social media marketing. 00:03:02.752 --> 00:03:07.372 I won't say that this is now a current research expert level, uh, anymore, 00:03:07.372 --> 00:03:09.562 since it's a, an ever changing game. 00:03:09.562 --> 00:03:14.962 But I'm pretty sure that one day I just kind of wanted to know how it all worked, 00:03:14.967 --> 00:03:21.502 like why I was seeing certain things in my feed and how I could, you know, be more 00:03:21.502 --> 00:03:24.262 successful at getting more engagement. 00:03:24.562 --> 00:03:26.182 And one thing led to another. 00:03:26.182 --> 00:03:31.792 And then suddenly I was charging people money to run their social media. 00:03:31.792 --> 00:03:36.802 And it was, it was kind of an accident, I guess I'll admit here on air, cuz 00:03:36.802 --> 00:03:40.732 I just went down a rabbit hole and didn't surface for many, many years. 00:03:40.812 --> 00:03:41.102 Matt: Yeah. 00:03:41.992 --> 00:03:44.602 I was just gonna say that mine, not that I'm allowed to answer this 00:03:44.602 --> 00:03:46.492 question, but mine was captioning. 00:03:46.852 --> 00:03:51.142 I just wanted to see if I could get Lindsay into a show that I was doing. 00:03:51.412 --> 00:03:53.162 Again, completely accidentally. 00:03:53.552 --> 00:03:58.622 Alison: I mean, go us, like going on such hyper focuses that we actually 00:03:58.622 --> 00:04:05.432 managed to make careers and businesses and touch people's lives with our 00:04:05.432 --> 00:04:07.602 knowledge, that feels kind of good. 00:04:07.952 --> 00:04:09.932 Matt: Dropping knowledge is...no, it is fun. 00:04:09.932 --> 00:04:12.908 It's really, I think that's one of the cool things about the ADHD 00:04:12.913 --> 00:04:16.068 brain is that you have that thirst. 00:04:16.548 --> 00:04:20.868 You have the ideas, you have the desire and, and you'll just burn through things 00:04:20.868 --> 00:04:22.818 that you like, that you're interested in. 00:04:23.238 --> 00:04:28.348 Like that learning, um, Alison, my number is 30… 00:04:29.268 --> 00:04:29.488 two. 00:04:30.308 --> 00:04:31.438 Alison: 32. 00:04:31.988 --> 00:04:33.148 Your question is 00:04:33.288 --> 00:04:33.588 Matt: Yes, 00:04:35.268 --> 00:04:35.988 Alison: I love this one. 00:04:36.378 --> 00:04:39.498 What is a language you wish you could speak? 00:04:39.648 --> 00:04:43.368 Note, this absolutely includes fantasy languages. 00:04:43.528 --> 00:04:43.818 Matt: Whoa. 00:04:44.418 --> 00:04:44.838 Alison: Mm-hmm 00:04:45.715 --> 00:04:46.315 Matt: Okay, so. 00:04:47.285 --> 00:04:52.775 I think my problem is that apparently languages weren't enough 00:04:52.775 --> 00:04:56.285 of a hyper focus thing for me, for me to learn them fluently. 00:04:56.285 --> 00:04:59.165 So that's always very frustrating is that I get to a point with a 00:04:59.165 --> 00:05:05.345 language like a Spanish, especially since I've been to Spain and Mexico. 00:05:05.375 --> 00:05:09.785 And it's always very frustrating that I can speak just enough. 00:05:10.375 --> 00:05:10.795 Alison: mm-hmm 00:05:10.955 --> 00:05:11.405 Matt: And then. 00:05:12.395 --> 00:05:13.535 and then I don't understand. 00:05:13.565 --> 00:05:17.555 So it's like, I'm not able to be, you know, a part of a 00:05:17.555 --> 00:05:19.295 conversation with strangers. 00:05:19.565 --> 00:05:22.655 I, I can't be that weird guy that just goes up to strangers and starts 00:05:22.655 --> 00:05:25.055 talking to them while I'm in Mexico. 00:05:25.385 --> 00:05:26.285 Uh, so 00:05:27.025 --> 00:05:27.925 Alison: I'm sorry for your loss. 00:05:27.935 --> 00:05:28.625 Matt: That's okay. 00:05:28.655 --> 00:05:29.465 Spanish. 00:05:29.615 --> 00:05:31.055 I've always loved French though. 00:05:31.145 --> 00:05:35.015 Uh, I think like French was the third language, which apparently is the 00:05:35.015 --> 00:05:36.845 one where things start to click in. 00:05:37.145 --> 00:05:41.075 So I really understand French when I hear it, but I don't speak it cuz 00:05:41.075 --> 00:05:43.685 it's very hard to say those things. 00:05:44.285 --> 00:05:46.145 Um, but if we're talking fantasy, 00:05:46.675 --> 00:05:47.095 Alison: Mm-hmm 00:05:47.714 --> 00:05:48.714 Matt: I think it have to be Elvish. 00:05:48.794 --> 00:05:49.154 Right? 00:05:49.424 --> 00:05:50.954 Alison: I knew you were gonna say that. 00:05:51.524 --> 00:05:52.094 I did. 00:05:52.094 --> 00:05:53.224 I was like, Matt's gonna say Elvish. 00:05:53.224 --> 00:05:56.024 Matt: Probably like the French it's, you know, it's like the 00:05:56.024 --> 00:05:57.554 French of fantasy languages. 00:05:57.559 --> 00:05:57.674 The, 00:05:57.944 --> 00:05:59.324 Alison: Yeah, yeah. 00:05:59.904 --> 00:06:05.664 I think for some reason, I, I almost always choose Primordial with like, I 00:06:05.664 --> 00:06:10.494 don't know why, but I wanna, I wanna speak with the beings at first inhabited 00:06:11.154 --> 00:06:14.244 a world and their low grumbling. 00:06:15.574 --> 00:06:15.864 Yeah. 00:06:17.574 --> 00:06:21.174 Um, I, I, whenever I get like a, you randomly get to pick a 00:06:21.174 --> 00:06:23.604 language nine times outta 10. 00:06:24.354 --> 00:06:24.914 That's what it. 00:06:25.059 --> 00:06:25.779 Matt: That's interesting. 00:06:26.289 --> 00:06:26.889 Alison: I don't know why. 00:06:27.219 --> 00:06:27.699 Matt: Yeah. 00:06:28.299 --> 00:06:28.589 Okay. 00:06:28.909 --> 00:06:33.099 Primorial yeah. 00:06:33.639 --> 00:06:34.149 Love that. 00:06:34.969 --> 00:06:39.379 In this, in this world that we're building, um, I have this 00:06:39.379 --> 00:06:47.545 whole faction of sexy, assassins that are all Frenchy French. 00:06:47.545 --> 00:06:50.505 Alison: And Evan plays the sexiest of assassins. 00:06:51.105 --> 00:06:51.615 Matt: Yeah. 00:06:51.945 --> 00:06:57.579 Uh, one, one time we should have an episode about is it an aspect 00:06:57.579 --> 00:07:04.709 of ADHD to be attracted to the avatar of your fellow players? 00:07:07.179 --> 00:07:11.439 am very, very attracted to Fitz's character named Charlie. 00:07:12.459 --> 00:07:15.249 Alison: I'm very attracted to Evan's character named Bale. 00:07:17.319 --> 00:07:18.789 Matt: These are just drawings, people. 00:07:18.849 --> 00:07:20.049 These are not human beings. 00:07:20.049 --> 00:07:21.429 They're just cartoons. 00:07:22.219 --> 00:07:26.379 Alison: I'm heading over to our project management tool, monday.com 00:07:26.709 --> 00:07:29.559 to take that note as a future. 00:07:30.099 --> 00:07:33.349 Cause you know, otherwise it's just like, PYUNG! 00:07:33.399 --> 00:07:35.469 And gone and, and we'll never come back to it. 00:07:35.979 --> 00:07:36.579 So! 00:07:36.729 --> 00:07:37.269 Matt: Yes. 00:07:37.549 --> 00:07:41.939 Alison: Here we go into ADHd20, which houses all of our beautiful 00:07:41.939 --> 00:07:44.609 outlines that we make and, and toss. 00:07:45.029 --> 00:07:47.429 Matt: And that's, and that's a good segue too, right? 00:07:47.429 --> 00:07:50.219 Because you start talking about productivity. 00:07:50.279 --> 00:07:57.729 And I think we mentioned last episode, my biggest tip, not even a tip is a necessity 00:07:57.729 --> 00:08:01.089 for me is, is writing things down. 00:08:01.639 --> 00:08:02.059 Alison: Mm-hmm 00:08:02.389 --> 00:08:03.079 Matt: Immediately. 00:08:03.469 --> 00:08:07.909 Like don't ever assume that I will remember anything. 00:08:07.909 --> 00:08:13.395 Yeah, I have to get things out of my, brain as they happen. 00:08:13.515 --> 00:08:17.745 So that's like a combination of talking to watches. 00:08:17.805 --> 00:08:25.522 And like I said, last time a command space will make notes but yeah, to 00:08:25.522 --> 00:08:29.092 get just what you did, you know, you opened up the project manager and you 00:08:29.092 --> 00:08:31.762 said we won't remember that later. 00:08:31.812 --> 00:08:33.272 Alison: Having a recording does help. 00:08:33.272 --> 00:08:34.642 Sometimes that keeps us honest. 00:08:35.702 --> 00:08:39.602 I have found myself more and more because I can't trust my own notes anymore. 00:08:39.962 --> 00:08:41.912 And this is something that's getting worse with age. 00:08:41.912 --> 00:08:43.712 I used to have elephant brain, man. 00:08:43.712 --> 00:08:47.852 I can still remember choreography from when I was 12, but I can't remember why I 00:08:47.852 --> 00:08:53.072 walked into a room, like it's bad, but I, my notes are making less and less sense. 00:08:53.072 --> 00:08:59.252 So I have started recording more and more, um, client meetings, just so I can 00:08:59.252 --> 00:09:02.672 have that last five minute wrap up of the things that I said I would go off 00:09:02.672 --> 00:09:04.292 and do before the next time we meet. 00:09:05.342 --> 00:09:08.522 Even if I write that down now, I either can't find it can't make sense 00:09:08.522 --> 00:09:12.872 of it, forgot the, the things we talked about, the pain points leading 00:09:12.877 --> 00:09:14.642 up to whatever it is I'm gonna do. 00:09:15.542 --> 00:09:18.062 So now I just, Loom has become my best friend. 00:09:18.132 --> 00:09:21.432 So I can just record a meeting and then look back on it. 00:09:21.567 --> 00:09:22.227 Matt: Nice. 00:09:22.617 --> 00:09:24.097 Uh, there's another one. 00:09:24.147 --> 00:09:26.637 You have to pay for it, but it is pretty amazing. 00:09:26.637 --> 00:09:31.077 It's called otter.ai and you can just kind of plug it into Zoom or 00:09:31.077 --> 00:09:34.317 all these other things, and it will just transcribe meetings for you. 00:09:34.767 --> 00:09:35.817 Anything that it hears. 00:09:35.937 --> 00:09:40.142 Similar to our friend Descript to translate voice into text. 00:09:40.142 --> 00:09:40.322 Yeah. 00:09:41.302 --> 00:09:41.702 Alison: Interestingly enough. 00:09:41.702 --> 00:09:45.242 So I use like that and I think it's just a worse program. 00:09:45.242 --> 00:09:46.652 I think it's called Firefly. 00:09:47.202 --> 00:09:52.177 So it, when I set up a Google meeting, it basically follows me in when I start 00:09:52.177 --> 00:09:54.997 the meeting creepy and transcribes it. 00:09:55.627 --> 00:09:59.257 I don't know if everybody that I've ever met with while using this platform, 00:09:59.557 --> 00:10:05.887 self included mumbles or I, I have a really hard time making sense of it. 00:10:06.437 --> 00:10:08.737 I might be able to catch key phrases. 00:10:09.307 --> 00:10:14.077 Um, but I also wonder cuz I'm not a very good, I'm not an auditory person. 00:10:14.357 --> 00:10:16.627 I, I, I need to, I'm a visual person. 00:10:16.627 --> 00:10:17.617 Like I need to see it. 00:10:17.827 --> 00:10:23.077 And I understand a transcript is written, but there's something about rewatching, a 00:10:23.077 --> 00:10:24.817 recording that I've already lived through. 00:10:25.732 --> 00:10:29.332 That I can see that and be like, oh, we're about to dive into the subject. 00:10:29.332 --> 00:10:34.942 I need to rewatch next that doesn't hit the same on a, on a screen or a piece of 00:10:34.942 --> 00:10:37.132 paper when I'm just reading a transcript. 00:10:37.132 --> 00:10:41.242 I get really, really lost in a transcript even with a search function. 00:10:42.132 --> 00:10:42.352 So. 00:10:42.922 --> 00:10:43.342 Matt: Okay. 00:10:43.642 --> 00:10:43.792 Yeah. 00:10:43.792 --> 00:10:44.422 I can see that. 00:10:45.202 --> 00:10:51.552 So the thing about all of my productivity tools is that as I've mentioned, 00:10:51.552 --> 00:10:54.892 I have a problem and that problem is that I always think there's 00:10:54.897 --> 00:10:56.992 gonna be something better, right? 00:10:57.552 --> 00:11:01.749 The, the number one rule for any kind of productivity system is it's 00:11:01.749 --> 00:11:03.969 not going to be perfect for you. 00:11:04.425 --> 00:11:07.384 And, once you accept that and move. 00:11:08.179 --> 00:11:09.769 Your life will be easier. 00:11:10.009 --> 00:11:11.879 I haven't yet, but I'm working on it. 00:11:13.359 --> 00:11:14.129 Alison: Everyday, Matt! 00:11:14.129 --> 00:11:16.259 Matt: Everyday, just one day at a time. 00:11:16.609 --> 00:11:17.659 Sweet Jesus. 00:11:17.899 --> 00:11:23.629 So, um, yeah, I, I just, uh, that is really hard for me to learn because 00:11:23.634 --> 00:11:28.705 there are so many talented developers out there making, to do apps and 00:11:28.705 --> 00:11:35.215 project management apps and, um, note taking apps and calendar apps. 00:11:35.215 --> 00:11:38.485 I mean, it is an endless, endless line. 00:11:38.875 --> 00:11:43.168 And so many of them are great, and you think that when something new 00:11:43.173 --> 00:11:47.414 comes out or what's really, really, really uncomfortable is the dance 00:11:47.474 --> 00:11:50.744 of you try something you're like, oh, it's not ready for prime time. 00:11:50.864 --> 00:11:51.644 And then you leave it. 00:11:52.109 --> 00:11:53.699 And then, but you have an account. 00:11:53.699 --> 00:11:57.479 So, you know, a year later they come back and they're like, Ooh, now we have this. 00:11:57.479 --> 00:11:58.529 And I'm like, Ooh. 00:11:58.529 --> 00:12:00.629 And so I'll jump into that again. 00:12:01.439 --> 00:12:05.849 Oh, maybe that's, maybe it's better to the point where I will like be able to use it. 00:12:06.479 --> 00:12:13.799 Um, no, no, really what you need to do is to stop the switching 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:15.509 back and forth if you can. 00:12:15.669 --> 00:12:18.744 I think right now people are trying to find the one and done 00:12:18.844 --> 00:12:19.984 the one that does everything. 00:12:20.254 --> 00:12:25.620 So there is an app called Notion, which is really, really amazing. 00:12:25.720 --> 00:12:30.550 I use it as just a pure Wiki that, cuz you can easily put whatever you've 00:12:30.555 --> 00:12:33.400 written online, but it's super powerful. 00:12:33.660 --> 00:12:38.550 It's, It's a combination of, of a database app like Airtable with 00:12:38.555 --> 00:12:43.450 a writing app, like, you know, Microsoft Word with task management 00:12:43.450 --> 00:12:47.502 and just all kinds of calendaring. 00:12:47.772 --> 00:12:50.012 But, it does try to do all of those things. 00:12:50.012 --> 00:12:55.545 And I, I have not been able to successfully, live inside one app to 00:12:55.575 --> 00:12:57.585 much to my chagrin, much to my chagrin. 00:12:57.615 --> 00:13:01.302 And I think it's partly because my brain is going to jump around and I 00:13:01.302 --> 00:13:06.115 want to learn about new things and I'm gonna wanna keep testing new things. 00:13:06.565 --> 00:13:12.442 Um, so as I mentioned, one of the first things my ADHD coach said was 00:13:12.742 --> 00:13:19.382 alright, yes, I, I know the world of the magical new unicorn app, 00:13:19.382 --> 00:13:20.582 that's coming around the corner. 00:13:20.582 --> 00:13:22.502 She knows that she lives that herself. 00:13:22.562 --> 00:13:28.262 She says, just find ones that do the best job for you right now. 00:13:29.252 --> 00:13:33.332 And then don't leave them for a while. 00:13:33.872 --> 00:13:40.176 So I'm very proud of myself for the last almost year now 00:13:40.326 --> 00:13:44.101 sticking to three -ish main apps. 00:13:44.351 --> 00:13:51.231 And they are, there's a todo app slash sort of project management called Todoist. 00:13:51.596 --> 00:13:54.876 That is for like quick capturing things I have to do. 00:13:54.926 --> 00:13:59.241 And the reason that it won out of the others, it has so many integrations. 00:13:59.301 --> 00:14:04.284 So you could, anywhere you are at any moment, you can get something into to do. 00:14:04.314 --> 00:14:04.704 And that's the 00:14:04.884 --> 00:14:05.304 Alison: mm-hmm 00:14:05.754 --> 00:14:06.054 yep. 00:14:06.174 --> 00:14:07.074 Matt: Todoist sorry. 00:14:07.114 --> 00:14:11.894 Todoist .The second set of things, the note app is called Obsidian. 00:14:12.504 --> 00:14:17.239 And then the last one is basically Google calendar, but I have different interfaces. 00:14:17.239 --> 00:14:18.229 So I like this. 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:25.759 I like this Mac app called Fantastical because you can, you know, with a key 00:14:25.849 --> 00:14:30.469 command, you can open up a, just a little prompt and you can write, um, 00:14:30.739 --> 00:14:34.579 lunch with Alison tomorrow at noon. 00:14:35.342 --> 00:14:39.522 And it will, you know, spit out that into your calendar. 00:14:40.362 --> 00:14:42.222 And you can set that up for multiple calendars. 00:14:42.282 --> 00:14:47.322 And also, also Fantastical has this really nice, um, new thing where 00:14:47.322 --> 00:14:50.202 you can schedule so you can sit, it 00:14:50.332 --> 00:14:50.552 Alison: Mm. 00:14:50.657 --> 00:14:52.992 Matt: Give you a link, so you can set up a bunch of different. 00:14:53.052 --> 00:14:57.492 Um, that was one major pain point is like, if I wanna have a meeting with 00:14:57.492 --> 00:14:59.982 someone it's like, so when are you free? 00:15:00.256 --> 00:15:02.566 Email two, I'm free here, here, here. 00:15:02.776 --> 00:15:05.566 Email three, please, please. 00:15:05.626 --> 00:15:09.076 So it's very, it still makes me uncomfortable to send a link 00:15:09.106 --> 00:15:10.576 like that, but it really works. 00:15:11.760 --> 00:15:14.490 Those are the three main ones and I've used one more app, 00:15:14.820 --> 00:15:16.800 sometimes, it's called Drafts. 00:15:16.850 --> 00:15:18.230 It's Mac only. 00:15:18.830 --> 00:15:21.410 And what Drafts does is like little snippets of text. 00:15:21.420 --> 00:15:24.240 Like if it's not important enough, really to get into Obsidian. 00:15:24.660 --> 00:15:27.480 Sometimes I'll even write texts in Drafts. 00:15:27.870 --> 00:15:32.280 Like if I need to reply to someone, because if I, I know that if I open up 00:15:32.280 --> 00:15:36.420 my messages app on the computer, I will read things and I'll get distracted. 00:15:36.510 --> 00:15:41.700 The, the goal for me currently is to find every way possible to 00:15:41.700 --> 00:15:45.120 not get sucked into something. 00:15:45.390 --> 00:15:48.743 So if I have to write an email, then I try to do it in another 00:15:48.743 --> 00:15:50.603 app, like Drafts or Obsidian. 00:15:51.023 --> 00:15:51.353 Right? 00:15:52.013 --> 00:15:54.773 And, and then I'll send it to mail. 00:15:55.613 --> 00:16:00.383 Because if I can skip the inbox, then that's just one more chance 00:16:00.383 --> 00:16:01.973 that I won't get sucked in. 00:16:02.023 --> 00:16:02.563 Alison: Interesting. 00:16:03.109 --> 00:16:07.429 Yeah, I'm so guilty of, oh, I'm just gonna hop in here and send that quick email. 00:16:08.149 --> 00:16:10.609 And then I get distracted, especially cuz I have like nine 00:16:10.759 --> 00:16:12.409 inboxes or something obscene. 00:16:13.489 --> 00:16:15.139 So it's bad. 00:16:15.139 --> 00:16:15.979 It's a problem. 00:16:16.054 --> 00:16:19.234 Matt: It can be real, real frustrating. 00:16:19.354 --> 00:16:22.054 And so those are the three things I'm I'm using. 00:16:22.424 --> 00:16:24.624 Todoist is, is pretty easy to explain. 00:16:24.704 --> 00:16:28.954 I would go ahead and say that if I weren't a programmer and 00:16:28.954 --> 00:16:31.394 I preferred looking at text, 00:16:32.084 --> 00:16:32.444 Alison: mm-hmm 00:16:32.444 --> 00:16:34.804 Matt: I would not recommend Obsidian for most people. 00:16:34.834 --> 00:16:35.704 I really wouldn't. 00:16:36.154 --> 00:16:39.791 Uh, it's really, really fast because the nice thing about Obsidian 00:16:39.796 --> 00:16:44.771 it's super safe because it's actually files on your computer. 00:16:44.981 --> 00:16:49.183 So if Obsidian for some reason goes under, like the app, the company, you 00:16:49.183 --> 00:16:53.859 still have all of your data in files, little markdown files, which are 00:16:53.859 --> 00:16:55.359 text files, which can take anywhere. 00:16:55.389 --> 00:16:58.029 So you'll never ever lose your data in that way. 00:16:58.313 --> 00:16:59.153 So super secure. 00:16:59.200 --> 00:17:04.398 But, it also is kind of a tinkerer's dream, which is a pro and a con for me. 00:17:04.413 --> 00:17:05.223 It's really great. 00:17:05.253 --> 00:17:10.554 And especially for D&D, it's incredible for D&D because you can drag files 00:17:10.554 --> 00:17:12.294 and throw things in there as well. 00:17:12.604 --> 00:17:15.204 And so you kind of have your own miniature database 00:17:15.234 --> 00:17:17.274 of just files, which is fun. 00:17:17.334 --> 00:17:21.624 And, and the magic of Obsidian really is this concept of back linking. 00:17:21.954 --> 00:17:27.474 So if you, with just like the smallest bit of formatting, you can just type as normal 00:17:27.534 --> 00:17:29.634 you again, you don't switch any context. 00:17:29.634 --> 00:17:38.877 You say, um, the party, rescued brackets, Ireena from Strahd, and 00:17:39.177 --> 00:17:41.277 that links that one sentence to 00:17:43.287 --> 00:17:45.177 No, that's what you I'm making it up. 00:17:45.567 --> 00:17:46.197 That hasn't happened. 00:17:46.947 --> 00:17:48.447 Uh, keep going. 00:17:48.567 --> 00:17:55.667 So in that one sentence, I've, I've linked, Ireena and Strahd who, and 00:17:55.672 --> 00:17:59.597 they have their, they each have their own files, their own pages. 00:17:59.787 --> 00:18:03.307 So on the Ireena page, I can write anything I want about Ireena, a 00:18:03.337 --> 00:18:07.377 picture, any, any kind of information I want about her, same with Strahd. 00:18:07.617 --> 00:18:12.537 But now when I go to Ireena's page, I'll see a link to that one 00:18:12.542 --> 00:18:16.497 sentence that I wrote, it just kind of blank, blank, blank, and you 00:18:16.497 --> 00:18:18.177 can just hop all the way around. 00:18:18.177 --> 00:18:23.877 So it's really great for an ADHD brain because you don't sit 00:18:23.877 --> 00:18:25.467 around and futz with folders. 00:18:26.046 --> 00:18:28.296 Notion is similarly amazing. 00:18:28.506 --> 00:18:32.016 Yeah, Fitz is saying Notion's lack of privacy is off-putting, I wish 00:18:32.016 --> 00:18:34.506 Obsidian worked better for me cuz the platform is way more secure. 00:18:34.506 --> 00:18:34.806 Yeah. 00:18:35.586 --> 00:18:41.412 Um, I understand though Obsidian is just, it is not on the user friendly side. 00:18:41.417 --> 00:18:43.302 It's it's it's just a little too nerdy. 00:18:43.482 --> 00:18:47.352 But for me, especially when I'm working on code, because I could 00:18:47.357 --> 00:18:51.282 use my actual code editor and open up any of my Obsidian files. 00:18:51.687 --> 00:18:53.187 Which is really amazing. 00:18:53.547 --> 00:18:58.737 And going back to D&D there is, there are nerds that take my virtual 00:18:58.737 --> 00:19:06.117 tabletop of choice and allow you to point my code editor to a folder 00:19:06.177 --> 00:19:11.607 and turn that into an entire module adventure, just with markdown files. 00:19:11.877 --> 00:19:13.617 And that can be read by Obsidian. 00:19:13.707 --> 00:19:19.107 So it's like, it's a nerd's, PKM, , you know, Personal Knowledge Management. 00:19:19.207 --> 00:19:25.057 That's what the, the newest, um, name for like a note taking app is. 00:19:25.387 --> 00:19:27.932 That Notion and Obsidian, they're not just note apps. 00:19:27.932 --> 00:19:32.912 They're, PKMS they're personal knowledge managers. 00:19:33.212 --> 00:19:34.202 Or management. 00:19:34.302 --> 00:19:36.002 Alison: I demand a sexier name than that. 00:19:36.072 --> 00:19:37.452 Matt: I know it's not super sexy. 00:19:37.632 --> 00:19:38.082 Yeah. 00:19:38.162 --> 00:19:39.182 I've been talking a lot. 00:19:39.182 --> 00:19:40.442 Please say something, help me. 00:19:43.307 --> 00:19:46.547 Alison: You're just so good at it though, Matt, like, I don't have as much to 00:19:46.547 --> 00:19:52.193 add, but what was kind of coming to mind was, um, so we'll pull back the 00:19:52.193 --> 00:19:56.123 curtain here for a minute into the inner workings of Bivins Brothers Creative. 00:19:56.573 --> 00:20:01.223 Um, and so I guess more than a year ago, maybe even closer to two, at this 00:20:01.223 --> 00:20:06.833 point, we were in desperate search of our own kind of project management 00:20:06.833 --> 00:20:10.643 note taking, we were kind of doing what Matt was saying is nearly impossible. 00:20:10.643 --> 00:20:12.663 You're not gonna find an all-in-one. 00:20:12.683 --> 00:20:16.013 So find the solutions that fit the need, um, and then 00:20:16.018 --> 00:20:18.443 tailor them to your existence. 00:20:18.796 --> 00:20:24.136 But one way that we did not all see eye to eye on at all was project 00:20:24.136 --> 00:20:27.736 management and task management and how we were gonna hold ourselves and one 00:20:27.736 --> 00:20:31.576 another accountable to deadlines and deliverables and due dates and all of 00:20:31.576 --> 00:20:32.866 those other "d" words that we hate. 00:20:33.466 --> 00:20:39.761 And so Matt surprising to no one took point on this project and would find 00:20:39.821 --> 00:20:45.191 different tools and we would, you know, take their free trial periods and test 00:20:45.191 --> 00:20:47.741 them out, try and run a project on them. 00:20:47.741 --> 00:20:50.261 And there were some that we collectively hated. 00:20:50.571 --> 00:20:53.383 There were some where some would hate and some would love and 00:20:53.383 --> 00:20:54.883 Notion was definitely that one. 00:20:55.333 --> 00:21:00.343 When Matt presented Notion to us he was on cloud nine. 00:21:00.343 --> 00:21:05.833 He was so excited and he even took the time to like personalize little 00:21:06.273 --> 00:21:10.243 personal pages for me and Evan with graphics and things he thought we 00:21:10.243 --> 00:21:13.063 would, you know, grip, hold of. 00:21:13.693 --> 00:21:15.583 Evan hated it, hated it. 00:21:15.613 --> 00:21:16.513 Matt: So much. 00:21:17.323 --> 00:21:18.433 Alison: I was somewhere in the middle. 00:21:18.433 --> 00:21:22.693 Like I was because of the work Matt had done, I think had Matt just 00:21:22.693 --> 00:21:25.033 opened it up to a blank screen. 00:21:25.983 --> 00:21:31.453 My feelings would've been more similar to, to Evan's, but because you knew 00:21:31.453 --> 00:21:34.663 me enough to at least not give me a totally blank screen and at least 00:21:34.663 --> 00:21:36.463 like, show me the possibilities. 00:21:37.003 --> 00:21:40.063 I, I was like, okay, I could, I could see a world where this works, 00:21:40.453 --> 00:21:43.603 um, in the, in a world, um, where. 00:21:43.663 --> 00:21:45.493 We didn't choose that one in the end. 00:21:45.553 --> 00:21:47.563 And sometimes, sometimes I regret that. 00:21:47.578 --> 00:21:48.298 Matt: I regret it. 00:21:48.328 --> 00:21:54.058 I regret it because not too, too long after that they did open up integrations 00:21:54.118 --> 00:21:59.851 too, which, it's still not, not, not where Monday is even, but it... 00:22:00.215 --> 00:22:04.145 the thing about The thing about Notion is so daunting is that 00:22:04.295 --> 00:22:05.705 you have that blank slate. 00:22:06.095 --> 00:22:10.738 But the thing about Monday and these other ones, Monday, Asana, and Click Up. 00:22:10.788 --> 00:22:12.498 They're super daunting to me. 00:22:13.038 --> 00:22:17.988 Because it is just, if, when I open it up, it is no noise, nonstop 00:22:17.988 --> 00:22:20.238 noise, and I can't turn it off. 00:22:20.238 --> 00:22:24.318 Like Monday is so hard for me to go into because it never starts 00:22:24.318 --> 00:22:25.578 me where I want it to start. 00:22:25.668 --> 00:22:28.758 And I have to find every time where I want it to go. 00:22:28.818 --> 00:22:33.055 And in that journey of getting where I need to go, once I get there, it's great. 00:22:33.595 --> 00:22:37.015 But in that journey, I'm just, I'm so distracted. 00:22:37.070 --> 00:22:39.620 Alison: I, I told Matt, it was, I guess a couple of months 00:22:39.625 --> 00:22:42.060 ago that I, I Matt-ed, Monday. 00:22:42.090 --> 00:22:46.800 Like I, I just like sat down with here's the problem, how am I gonna fix it? 00:22:46.800 --> 00:22:51.390 And I just went into hyper-focus mode until I had built exactly the 00:22:51.390 --> 00:22:56.100 dashboard with exactly the views that I needed to make my little brain work. 00:22:56.580 --> 00:23:00.780 That's one big way that I differ from, I think you and Evan is, I am 00:23:00.840 --> 00:23:03.390 constantly like zooming in and out. 00:23:04.320 --> 00:23:06.180 So I'm looking at the big picture and then I'm looking at 00:23:06.180 --> 00:23:08.190 the, the levels of granularity. 00:23:08.760 --> 00:23:14.130 There's there's a fun word to try and say, um, granularity, um, up next we 00:23:14.130 --> 00:23:17.010 will start an ASMR podcast anyways. 00:23:17.085 --> 00:23:17.775 Matt: Granularity 00:23:18.160 --> 00:23:22.580 Alison: I still though, I remember the day that you and I were on a call 00:23:22.580 --> 00:23:26.780 and we figured out that we probably weren't going to find something that 00:23:26.780 --> 00:23:28.970 made everybody happy all of the time. 00:23:29.390 --> 00:23:29.660 Matt: No. 00:23:30.010 --> 00:23:32.770 Alison: But giving ourselves that freedom, cuz we had been trying to do that up. 00:23:32.770 --> 00:23:39.040 We had been trying to find the solution that would give each of us what we needed. 00:23:39.280 --> 00:23:43.180 And when you just had, I remember watching the light bulb go off in your head. 00:23:43.185 --> 00:23:47.020 Of it doesn't have to be perfect and it doesn't have to be for all of us. 00:23:47.020 --> 00:23:52.830 If I can integrate it enough to get things into my personal PKM. 00:23:53.080 --> 00:23:53.500 Matt: Mm-hmm 00:23:54.310 --> 00:23:56.740 Alison: I wanna say PKD, I want it to be like database instead 00:23:56.740 --> 00:23:57.880 of manager for some reason, 00:23:57.970 --> 00:23:58.180 Matt: Sure. 00:23:58.270 --> 00:23:58.810 Go for it. 00:23:59.684 --> 00:24:03.404 Alison: When you realized you could hack Monday enough to get what 00:24:03.404 --> 00:24:07.844 you needed out of it, while also giving me what I needed in it, um, 00:24:07.844 --> 00:24:08.924 that kind of changed everything. 00:24:09.434 --> 00:24:13.184 Um, do you have any non-digital things that you do ever, or is all 00:24:13.184 --> 00:24:16.304 of Matthew Bivins' life all the time, digital and digital only? 00:24:16.604 --> 00:24:23.114 So are there any, yeah, like, you know, uh, analog productivity hacks or, or 00:24:23.114 --> 00:24:25.844 things, um, that you've gotten to know 00:24:26.174 --> 00:24:26.684 Matt: Yeah, 00:24:26.684 --> 00:24:31.769 Well, I mean, most of them are digital, but one year, Lindsay bought me a 00:24:31.769 --> 00:24:33.839 bunch of incredible fountain pens. 00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:38.369 I really just wanted to connect with my father who always used a fountain 00:24:38.369 --> 00:24:41.129 pen to write everywhere he went. 00:24:41.189 --> 00:24:45.419 And he had beautiful handwriting and, uh, so I wanted to connect with him. 00:24:45.424 --> 00:24:51.073 So I, so Lindsay found this, this maker of fountain pens, they're made for people 00:24:51.299 --> 00:24:53.759 with ADHD in that they, you can drop them. 00:24:53.819 --> 00:24:57.479 They actually have a video on their website where they, they drive 00:24:57.484 --> 00:25:02.969 a car over their pens, they're super, they're tank-like, um, but 00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:05.849 really, really fantastic pens. 00:25:05.909 --> 00:25:09.239 She gave me a couple of those with different type nibs. 00:25:09.359 --> 00:25:16.349 And I always have a, um, like a moleskine or a, or a leuchtturm or something around. 00:25:16.439 --> 00:25:20.104 And, and so what I, what I do with that is a couple of things. 00:25:20.109 --> 00:25:25.684 Number one, when I'm starting a project, it usually has to be some kind 00:25:25.684 --> 00:25:27.944 of visual thing, much like yourself. 00:25:27.994 --> 00:25:33.334 And so one thing I do is mind map a lot, if I cannot figure something else 00:25:33.364 --> 00:25:37.204 out, and there are, there are some really great mind mapping digital tools. 00:25:37.774 --> 00:25:44.194 Um, but sometimes you just want to paper and pen it, cuz you can 00:25:44.194 --> 00:25:48.064 just draw and write and draw and write and all the little boxes and 00:25:48.069 --> 00:25:50.164 lines that go just so much easier. 00:25:50.764 --> 00:25:55.174 Uh, and then the second thing I'm trying to do, I'm trying to do is one 00:25:55.174 --> 00:26:00.559 thing of my day that I feel like I'm missing is, the downside of having 00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:05.059 quick capture and an incredible app like Todoist to capture all the tasks. 00:26:05.159 --> 00:26:10.089 And sometimes they all, and a lot of them end up on today. 00:26:10.749 --> 00:26:16.989 I try to not overload today, but, but when they do, I try to sit down 00:26:16.989 --> 00:26:23.619 with something that is not digital and pick three, maybe four things. 00:26:24.159 --> 00:26:24.579 Alison: Mm-hmm. 00:26:24.854 --> 00:26:27.579 Matt: Honestly, one thing needs to be done. 00:26:27.609 --> 00:26:32.609 And at the end of the day, and this has gotta be, an ADHD key. 00:26:32.969 --> 00:26:36.929 This has got to be, cuz it feels so correct when I do this right. 00:26:36.959 --> 00:26:37.259 But. 00:26:37.507 --> 00:26:41.737 If I say, I'm gonna do this one thing, and if I do this one thing, then a successful 00:26:41.737 --> 00:26:44.437 day, it is a successful day, period. 00:26:45.197 --> 00:26:49.787 If I have like a major list of stuff and I'm just checking random stuff off, I 00:26:49.787 --> 00:26:51.587 might still have a major list of stuff. 00:26:51.592 --> 00:26:56.117 And I only focus on the stuff I didn't get done, which makes me feel bad. 00:26:56.717 --> 00:26:59.537 So when I do this, when I follow this, there's a couple 00:26:59.537 --> 00:27:01.592 of different methodologies. 00:27:01.592 --> 00:27:03.812 There's, there's a new one called Bento. 00:27:03.812 --> 00:27:05.972 There's a really great one called Make Time. 00:27:06.362 --> 00:27:07.472 Very, very similar. 00:27:07.742 --> 00:27:10.862 Don't look at your whole task list. 00:27:11.342 --> 00:27:13.322 You pick three ding dang things. 00:27:13.802 --> 00:27:15.362 One has to be done. 00:27:16.082 --> 00:27:19.472 A second one is like, if you have time for that, and then maybe a 00:27:19.472 --> 00:27:21.182 third one is like small and fun. 00:27:21.632 --> 00:27:24.482 And if you can get all three done, then your day is just gonna be 00:27:25.022 --> 00:27:25.442 Alison: Made 00:27:26.222 --> 00:27:26.612 Matt: Made. 00:27:27.302 --> 00:27:31.382 So that's what I'm trying to use paper for, because while there are beautiful 00:27:31.382 --> 00:27:35.492 apps like Bento and Make Time, it does feel real good to write those out. 00:27:35.732 --> 00:27:39.722 Do you have any tips and tricks now that I've talked the whole podcast? 00:27:40.037 --> 00:27:43.387 Alison: Uh, man, get on TikTok and find ADHD TikTok. 00:27:43.467 --> 00:27:49.377 It's so fun to watch it cuz some things I've realized I do without being told to. 00:27:49.377 --> 00:27:50.307 And I'm like, I do that. 00:27:50.307 --> 00:27:51.597 So now I know why I do that. 00:27:51.657 --> 00:27:56.187 Like I saw one recently, uh, where somebody just gave the tip of, do you need 00:27:56.187 --> 00:27:57.447 to be productive while you're at home? 00:27:57.447 --> 00:27:59.847 Especially if you're working from home? 00:28:00.567 --> 00:28:01.497 Keep your shoes on. 00:28:02.337 --> 00:28:04.347 It sends a signal to your brain. 00:28:04.797 --> 00:28:06.507 This is not cozy time. 00:28:07.017 --> 00:28:08.427 This is, and I do that. 00:28:08.427 --> 00:28:13.107 I've done that when I first made the switch long before the pandemic 00:28:13.152 --> 00:28:16.002 Matt: Uh, oh, I'm putting my shoes back on. 00:28:16.002 --> 00:28:17.187 Alison: Put your shoes back on! 00:28:17.487 --> 00:28:20.697 When I made the switch before the pandemic to work from home many, 00:28:20.697 --> 00:28:23.427 many years ago, I, I started a rule. 00:28:23.432 --> 00:28:25.262 I had two hard and fast rules. 00:28:25.592 --> 00:28:29.792 One I could wear PJs, but they had to be different PJs than the ones I woke up in. 00:28:32.342 --> 00:28:36.362 No going from bedtime into daytime. 00:28:36.392 --> 00:28:41.822 So cozy clothes are fine, but they have to be clean, fresh, not what I slept in. 00:28:42.182 --> 00:28:44.402 Two, no working on the couch. 00:28:44.432 --> 00:28:47.702 Cuz I knew that that would become slippery slope to working on any surface 00:28:47.702 --> 00:28:51.932 all over the house and having no work well and having no work/life balance. 00:28:52.472 --> 00:28:55.472 Um, and so I, I made those rules. 00:28:55.472 --> 00:28:58.592 I stuck to those rules and somewhere along the way, I started both getting 00:28:58.597 --> 00:29:03.542 dressed, not in PJ's, but in actual clothing and also putting on shoes. 00:29:03.782 --> 00:29:07.712 And then now to hear somebody else be like, yeah, put on shoes, but try it. 00:29:07.712 --> 00:29:11.792 It does, I I'm, I'm worse about it in the winter when I wanna be wearing slippers. 00:29:11.792 --> 00:29:15.212 So I have like hard-soled slippers that are like my daytime slippers that are 00:29:15.217 --> 00:29:16.682 different from my nighttime slippers. 00:29:16.982 --> 00:29:17.202 Matt: Yes. 00:29:17.422 --> 00:29:21.922 And, and for those of you, uh, like our friend Fitz that says shoes in the house 00:29:21.942 --> 00:29:23.612 are a deal breaker, which I understand, 00:29:23.942 --> 00:29:25.202 Alison: So have house shoes. 00:29:26.192 --> 00:29:28.172 Matt: Or, or business socks. 00:29:28.232 --> 00:29:31.952 Alison: It's about sending the signal to your brain, that this is a differentiation 00:29:31.952 --> 00:29:34.802 of time and space, because as we've talked about before, we don't have 00:29:34.802 --> 00:29:41.252 the same relationship with time that neurotypical people may, and that's fine. 00:29:41.252 --> 00:29:45.752 And so it's all about another trick that I learned is, and it's kind of 00:29:45.757 --> 00:29:47.102 in line with what you were saying. 00:29:47.612 --> 00:29:54.932 First thing in the day, you need to come up with some kind of low reach gratifying 00:29:54.932 --> 00:29:58.892 task because that starts signaling the brain that today's gonna be a good day. 00:29:58.892 --> 00:30:00.242 Today's gonna be a productive day. 00:30:00.542 --> 00:30:05.672 So if, even if it's like, you know, on it, it's your day off and you were gonna 00:30:05.972 --> 00:30:11.972 clean the house and do the laundry and the dishes, and also binge watch, you 00:30:11.972 --> 00:30:13.622 know, whatever the latest and greatest is. 00:30:13.922 --> 00:30:16.982 Don't get up and go to the couch, get up and do a, just, you 00:30:16.982 --> 00:30:18.662 know, take the garbage outside. 00:30:19.502 --> 00:30:22.892 It's two minutes, but then that signals to your brain, we're 00:30:22.892 --> 00:30:24.062 being productive right now. 00:30:24.062 --> 00:30:29.972 And that feels so good that you associate that good feeling, that accomplishment 00:30:30.272 --> 00:30:33.422 with marking more tasks off your list. 00:30:33.472 --> 00:30:37.162 Because it's so much harder to lift yourself out of that borderline, 00:30:37.162 --> 00:30:40.282 you know, just lethargic, comatose state on the couch. 00:30:40.552 --> 00:30:43.282 Then if you just stay upright in the beginning. 00:30:43.672 --> 00:30:48.802 And that's where I think people with ADHD get a bad rap for procrastinating. 00:30:48.802 --> 00:30:50.932 It's not, you know, something we're doing. 00:30:50.932 --> 00:30:54.862 It's something that we fell into and if we had just reversed order, 00:30:55.282 --> 00:30:57.772 um, and in reversed engineered that. 00:30:57.802 --> 00:31:00.952 Um, and so now I do, when I know I have to get through some things, I'll try and get 00:31:00.952 --> 00:31:07.912 up, do something gratifying first and see how long I can keep that momentum going 00:31:07.912 --> 00:31:12.012 until I'm ready to sit on my butt and binge watch something, which is also okay. 00:31:12.052 --> 00:31:12.862 Matt: Is also okay. 00:31:12.922 --> 00:31:15.622 Which is also, you know, you get points, you get points for these things. 00:31:15.892 --> 00:31:20.722 Um, but, but there's a system called Eat the Frog, which is the opposite 00:31:20.722 --> 00:31:21.622 of what you just talked about. 00:31:21.622 --> 00:31:21.862 Right. 00:31:21.862 --> 00:31:25.762 Do the most difficult unpleasant thing first to get outta your way. 00:31:25.912 --> 00:31:27.172 That just doesn't work for us. 00:31:27.172 --> 00:31:28.792 I don't think it works for us at all. 00:31:29.006 --> 00:31:32.966 I think it has to be a way to, like you said, you need that 00:31:33.036 --> 00:31:37.086 reinforcement and that kind of like rollercoasterness of, okay. 00:31:37.086 --> 00:31:38.166 Well I guess I'm working now. 00:31:38.166 --> 00:31:38.376 Okay. 00:31:38.376 --> 00:31:40.086 Maybe I can do the, okay. 00:31:40.086 --> 00:31:41.916 Maybe the frog is, is edible now. 00:31:41.986 --> 00:31:44.906 Alison: I, I always get my brain ,chemicals mixed up about what's 00:31:44.926 --> 00:31:46.366 serotonin and what's dopamine. 00:31:46.366 --> 00:31:49.396 And, but there is something chemical to that, you know, I've, 00:31:49.516 --> 00:31:53.116 I've accomplished something that, that just gets you into that mode. 00:31:53.626 --> 00:31:53.896 Maybe. 00:31:53.896 --> 00:31:56.146 I don't know somebody who knows science better than me is that 00:31:56.151 --> 00:31:57.826 serotonin, dopamine or something else? 00:31:58.366 --> 00:31:59.626 Um, but. 00:32:00.346 --> 00:32:02.116 So, yeah, I don't think Eat the Frog would work. 00:32:02.116 --> 00:32:05.446 And I also just want to quickly say, as far as humans go, we 00:32:05.446 --> 00:32:06.676 don't have to earn our rest. 00:32:06.676 --> 00:32:10.336 Like we just get to rest because like we're not robots. 00:32:10.351 --> 00:32:10.561 Matt: True. 00:32:11.506 --> 00:32:16.066 Alison: Sometimes you feel like, oh, I, I can't sit still or I can't take 00:32:16.066 --> 00:32:21.766 a day until, uh, no, you can, if you want to, you absolutely can just 00:32:22.186 --> 00:32:24.586 drop it and do what you wanna do. 00:32:24.616 --> 00:32:28.146 We give you permission and you should give yourself permission too. 00:32:28.231 --> 00:32:28.531 Matt: Mm-hmm 00:32:29.431 --> 00:32:29.941 Yes. 00:32:30.271 --> 00:32:32.371 Tell 'em ADHd20 said so. 00:32:32.991 --> 00:32:35.454 Alison: the way, we didn't do a good job. 00:32:35.459 --> 00:32:38.694 So last week we told everybody that we now have Patreon and we 00:32:38.694 --> 00:32:40.194 would love for you to join there. 00:32:40.584 --> 00:32:43.254 Mostly just to be part of the conversation and to be part of our 00:32:43.494 --> 00:32:45.834 crowd, posse, whatever word we're using. 00:32:46.084 --> 00:32:46.504 Matt: Mm-hmm. 00:32:46.884 --> 00:32:51.594 Alison: So we've mentioned Fitz and our good buddy Meg Anderson-King party. 00:32:52.074 --> 00:32:55.584 Um, they were watching because that's one of the things that we're now 00:32:55.824 --> 00:33:01.434 probably going to offer is that we will stream these recordings live 00:33:02.094 --> 00:33:08.844 for our patrons, and you can hop on, join us in the chat, watch us dance. 00:33:09.134 --> 00:33:12.374 If that sounds fun to you, head to our Patreon page, if that 00:33:12.374 --> 00:33:14.384 does not, keep it to yourself, 00:33:14.504 --> 00:33:15.914 Matt: Yeah, no problem. 00:33:15.919 --> 00:33:16.724 Don't worry about it. 00:33:17.384 --> 00:33:18.244 Alison: No problem at all. 00:33:18.454 --> 00:33:19.304 Matt: It's cool. 00:33:19.304 --> 00:33:19.934 We love you. 00:33:20.774 --> 00:33:21.224 Alison: Yep. 00:33:21.254 --> 00:33:22.304 Absolutely we do. 00:33:22.404 --> 00:33:25.674 Matt: I feel great about everybody who joined us today 00:33:25.674 --> 00:33:27.444 and, and are listening right now. 00:33:27.714 --> 00:33:31.884 And, uh, yeah, if you have any questions about productivity and you want 00:33:31.944 --> 00:33:39.784 somebody with lots of opinions, but also willing to jump the ship and join 00:33:39.804 --> 00:33:41.754 whatever cool new thing you've got to. 00:33:42.024 --> 00:33:43.074 I'm your guy, man. 00:33:43.824 --> 00:33:44.214 Alison: Yeah, 00:33:44.424 --> 00:33:45.474 Matt: Yeah, I'm ready. 00:33:45.474 --> 00:33:45.784 Alison: You are. 00:33:46.134 --> 00:33:46.324 You're it. 00:33:46.344 --> 00:33:47.634 Matt: I'm ready to learn new things. 00:33:47.639 --> 00:33:47.934 So 00:33:48.564 --> 00:33:48.744 Alison: You're 00:33:48.774 --> 00:33:49.404 Matt: them together. 00:33:49.704 --> 00:33:49.884 Yeah. 00:33:50.664 --> 00:33:50.964 All right. 00:33:50.969 --> 00:33:51.594 Well, until the 00:33:51.774 --> 00:33:52.554 Alison: Thank you. 00:33:53.994 --> 00:33:54.704 Matt: until the next time, 00:33:55.764 --> 00:33:55.884 all. 00:33:56.184 --> 00:33:57.294 Alison: Talk to you soon. 00:33:58.389 --> 00:33:58.609 Matt: Bye 00:33:59.234 --> 00:33:59.454 Alison: Bye.