WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.049 --> 00:00:00.409 Alan: Anyway, 00:00:01.129 --> 00:00:05.509 Mario: Yeah, now we are, so, 00:00:05.629 --> 00:00:05.840 Alan: Yeah. 00:00:06.739 --> 00:00:07.129 Mario: Yeah. 00:00:07.179 --> 00:00:10.000 Yeah, I've been doing a little bit more marketing lately. 00:00:10.097 --> 00:00:11.427 You might have noticed. 00:00:11.496 --> 00:00:15.255 Yeah, not as much as I would like to, but I have been putting 00:00:15.285 --> 00:00:16.605 a little more focus on that. 00:00:16.667 --> 00:00:18.857 I haven't been back to the code base in a while. 00:00:19.697 --> 00:00:19.907 Yeah. 00:00:19.907 --> 00:00:21.916 I've been you know, working on the website and. 00:00:22.536 --> 00:00:25.236 Alan: I mean, I, you know, so we talked about before I think this. 00:00:26.566 --> 00:00:28.906 That you need to add right now. 00:00:28.906 --> 00:00:33.616 Is there everything that you've got it's, it's workable as a product it's usable. 00:00:33.616 --> 00:00:34.336 It's billable. 00:00:34.359 --> 00:00:37.656 So, you know, I know that's always a difficult, it's easier for 00:00:37.656 --> 00:00:40.176 somebody else to say that than yourself I'm at the same situation. 00:00:40.176 --> 00:00:40.296 Right. 00:00:40.296 --> 00:00:45.576 It's like I could build these beta users, but I still don't feel like I should, 00:00:45.606 --> 00:00:48.066 but even though I probably could right? 00:00:48.931 --> 00:00:49.501 Mario: Yeah. 00:00:49.561 --> 00:00:49.861 Yeah. 00:00:49.891 --> 00:00:53.281 Well, especially when these kinds of issues pop up, it 00:00:53.281 --> 00:00:56.011 makes me feel uneasy about that. 00:00:56.011 --> 00:00:58.441 You know, I feel like it's not quite solid. 00:00:58.441 --> 00:01:02.609 It's not really there because all these little things can pop up. 00:01:02.609 --> 00:01:06.852 But I I'm getting ready to go back to the code base and 00:01:06.852 --> 00:01:08.772 start working on the product. 00:01:08.772 --> 00:01:12.342 And I think I mentioned last time that I'm trying to. 00:01:12.342 --> 00:01:17.432 Get into a routine where I spend one week doing product development 00:01:17.432 --> 00:01:18.872 and one week doing marketing. 00:01:19.622 --> 00:01:24.032 And so for the past few weeks, this, you know, I just thought of 00:01:24.032 --> 00:01:28.654 this recently, but for the past few weeks I've been focusing on other 00:01:28.654 --> 00:01:30.574 things other than the product itself. 00:01:30.604 --> 00:01:33.623 So, you know, marketing stuff mainly 00:01:33.687 --> 00:01:38.457 . Last week, my goal was to wrap that up and this week start with, you 00:01:38.457 --> 00:01:40.017 know, getting back to the code base. 00:01:40.078 --> 00:01:43.691 But it didn't turn out that way because I still had some lingering 00:01:43.901 --> 00:01:46.451 things tying up some loose ends. 00:01:46.491 --> 00:01:50.271 I was writing a blog post that I just wanted to finish it and post it. 00:01:50.781 --> 00:01:53.650 And so I did that yesterday and today is. 00:01:54.530 --> 00:01:56.930 Alan: So, so the, I read the, I read it in the. 00:01:56.999 --> 00:01:57.689 MegaMaker right. 00:01:57.719 --> 00:01:59.129 So you post it for comments. 00:01:59.309 --> 00:02:00.299 So that's really cool. 00:02:00.329 --> 00:02:04.405 I think that's that's a really good start for the type of content 00:02:04.405 --> 00:02:05.905 you're going to want to '[publish. 00:02:05.905 --> 00:02:06.145 Right. 00:02:06.145 --> 00:02:07.645 It's almost like. 00:02:08.395 --> 00:02:11.455 I mean that that's, that's a good summary post of like, here's some great tips 00:02:11.455 --> 00:02:13.375 for, you know, basically getting going. 00:02:13.427 --> 00:02:18.129 In fact, some of them, it might be nice to all actually incorporate into your like 00:02:18.129 --> 00:02:23.049 session startup process rate, almost like, you know, w whenever, when someone starts 00:02:23.049 --> 00:02:26.859 a session, it might be worth, you know, just reminding, making sure that you've 00:02:26.859 --> 00:02:31.539 done these things, you know, turn on, do not disturb, or, you know, maybe we're. 00:02:31.989 --> 00:02:34.719 You know, closing other browser windows, if you got too many open, 00:02:34.719 --> 00:02:38.669 that kind of thing, just to like give them a gentle nudge because I 00:02:38.669 --> 00:02:41.819 mean, I forget to, you know, hit the, do not disturb thing all the time. 00:02:42.449 --> 00:02:43.919 Mario: Yeah, I do that too sometimes. 00:02:45.764 --> 00:02:48.854 Alan: So yeah, that potentially, especially for guests, because I 00:02:48.854 --> 00:02:52.214 mean, if you're the one recording the podcast yet, you know, all about it. 00:02:52.214 --> 00:02:52.424 Right. 00:02:52.424 --> 00:02:57.774 You know, you in theory, if someone's not as used to doing it, then yeah. 00:02:57.794 --> 00:03:00.234 Just kind of giving them a gentle nudge to let you know, maybe it's worth 00:03:00.234 --> 00:03:04.134 rebooting before you start recording, just to make things go smoother or, 00:03:04.524 --> 00:03:07.374 you know, close, close your other browser, windows, something like that. 00:03:07.954 --> 00:03:08.374 Mario: Yeah. 00:03:08.434 --> 00:03:12.772 And even for experienced podcasters sometimes you're just in a hurry, I've 00:03:12.772 --> 00:03:17.632 gotten, I've had conversations with podcasters where they say, you know, yeah. 00:03:17.632 --> 00:03:20.783 Sometimes I'm just in a hurry you know, running from one thing to another to 00:03:20.783 --> 00:03:26.243 the next and I, you know, finally get to getting ready to record and I forget 00:03:26.243 --> 00:03:30.413 to, you know, do something I forget to hit record or something like that. 00:03:30.418 --> 00:03:34.248 Alan: I mean, this is one of the, the really nice things about Fusioncast 00:03:34.248 --> 00:03:35.998 though using browser recording. 00:03:35.998 --> 00:03:39.568 Anyway, is it minimizes the amount of stuff you have to remember to do? 00:03:39.568 --> 00:03:39.898 Anyway? 00:03:39.898 --> 00:03:44.098 I mean, having, you know, done recordings, even just a simple recordings is 00:03:44.098 --> 00:03:47.248 just, there's a lot to remember unless you're doing it everyday. 00:03:47.248 --> 00:03:47.578 Right. 00:03:47.878 --> 00:03:49.284 It's so knowing that. 00:03:50.099 --> 00:03:53.219 You've got a load of those things taken care of, just making sure that it's 00:03:53.219 --> 00:03:57.066 recording there's backups there's you know, double ended recordings, it's 00:03:57.066 --> 00:03:59.376 split it's that that's all taken care of. 00:03:59.376 --> 00:04:01.806 So you can focus on your actual conversation. 00:04:01.806 --> 00:04:02.046 Right. 00:04:02.046 --> 00:04:04.923 So that, that's where I think was like, nudges, just as you start the 00:04:04.923 --> 00:04:08.137 call, like, ah, just make sure, you know, remember these things even. 00:04:08.757 --> 00:04:11.367 You know, just making sure that the microphone is in a good 00:04:11.367 --> 00:04:12.627 position and that kind of thing. 00:04:12.627 --> 00:04:16.268 It might be just a nice little reminder as part of the the call stop for. 00:04:17.923 --> 00:04:18.403 Mario: Yeah. 00:04:18.793 --> 00:04:19.933 Yeah, that's a good suggestion. 00:04:19.993 --> 00:04:22.063 I'll look into that for sure. 00:04:22.383 --> 00:04:24.723 Alan: I mean, I've been I think I mentioned last time, you know, I've 00:04:24.723 --> 00:04:28.677 been looking at this effectively, the onboarding I know people 00:04:29.067 --> 00:04:30.057 really don't like that word. 00:04:30.537 --> 00:04:32.067 I'm kind of impartial to. 00:04:33.907 --> 00:04:37.027 And there's always someone and she's like, I hate this word so much. 00:04:37.057 --> 00:04:39.757 It's I can feel that a little bit. 00:04:39.761 --> 00:04:43.635 But just that the process of winning someone overall convincing them, 00:04:43.665 --> 00:04:47.355 you know, what to do or why they should be doing this is really hard. 00:04:47.505 --> 00:04:51.765 So I've been experimenting with a few different ways that, that seem 00:04:52.215 --> 00:04:54.345 okay to me and not too intrusive. 00:04:54.403 --> 00:04:57.103 You know, like I've been playing with these, you know, the guided tour. 00:04:58.383 --> 00:04:59.448 little pop-up windows. 00:04:59.464 --> 00:05:01.444 And I'm, I'm not convinced. 00:05:01.474 --> 00:05:05.704 I mean, I always that they are knowing me, but I know they helpful to some people. 00:05:05.704 --> 00:05:10.774 So I'm like, eh, it's kinda just solve it with just, you know, a modal that kind of 00:05:10.774 --> 00:05:14.134 welcomes you and gives you an explanation what to do and hope that you can figure 00:05:14.134 --> 00:05:17.674 out the rest or do I, you know, put little pointy arrows to everything on the 00:05:17.674 --> 00:05:19.338 screen and guide them through the process. 00:05:19.338 --> 00:05:22.048 So I might end up trying a few different things, but I guess the. 00:05:22.823 --> 00:05:26.303 Shock for this was that, that software to do this as in that 00:05:26.303 --> 00:05:28.386 there's a million and one guided tour. 00:05:28.401 --> 00:05:31.581 I forgot what they call it, a digital adoption platform, 00:05:31.581 --> 00:05:34.458 something there there's a term that I discovered that I didn't know. 00:05:34.483 --> 00:05:38.181 It's really expensive or at least bootstrapper's point of view Like the, 00:05:38.181 --> 00:05:40.371 the, the average normal price for them. 00:05:40.371 --> 00:05:43.131 It's like, you know, $250 $300 a month. 00:05:43.341 --> 00:05:44.811 And I'm like, wait, wait, what? 00:05:45.466 --> 00:05:45.856 Mario: Wow. 00:05:46.281 --> 00:05:46.851 Alan: Yeah. 00:05:46.851 --> 00:05:49.191 I mean, I found one help here. 00:05:49.258 --> 00:05:51.919 That is like 60 or 50 or 60. 00:05:51.919 --> 00:05:55.827 And that it's it's obviously not as feature rich is obviously a smaller 00:05:55.827 --> 00:06:01.275 company, but even that that's by far the cheapest one I can find Intercom has a 00:06:01.275 --> 00:06:03.456 And new as it start up kind of thing. 00:06:03.456 --> 00:06:06.456 And it's like, oh, it's only $75 a month for the first year. 00:06:06.666 --> 00:06:10.176 And of course, then it goes up to $350 $400, $500 a month. 00:06:10.506 --> 00:06:13.026 And so even though it's like, do I want to get dependent on that? 00:06:13.026 --> 00:06:14.976 And then realize I've got to pay $500 a month. 00:06:14.976 --> 00:06:16.156 I'm like, oh really? 00:06:16.186 --> 00:06:21.646 So the going with just a simple, put a few modals up and tell you what to do 00:06:21.646 --> 00:06:24.196 is it's nice from a cost perspective. 00:06:24.225 --> 00:06:27.658 And not, I realize starting to rely on another external service 00:06:27.658 --> 00:06:29.533 that Yeah, it's one, expensive. 00:06:29.533 --> 00:06:34.183 And two, just another thing to, to rely on is probably what I'm 00:06:34.183 --> 00:06:35.263 going to do at least at first 00:06:35.848 --> 00:06:39.238 Mario: And another layer of complexity, because now it's some integration that 00:06:39.238 --> 00:06:41.518 you have to, you know, take care of. 00:06:42.623 --> 00:06:47.243 Alan: it's another JavaScript file to throw in the ever growing list of things. 00:06:47.423 --> 00:06:51.233 Well, I've actually removed the feedback button thing I had. 00:06:51.233 --> 00:06:53.033 So I was using a service called feedback fish. 00:06:53.578 --> 00:06:54.568 Mario: Yeah, remember that 00:06:54.568 --> 00:06:55.723 Alan: Yeah, and it's nice. 00:06:55.723 --> 00:06:56.323 I like it. 00:06:56.323 --> 00:07:00.023 There's no, I've got no issues with it, but people just aren't using it. 00:07:00.064 --> 00:07:02.314 So, and I needed the space. 00:07:02.368 --> 00:07:05.368 I saw I'd probably put it back as something else in 00:07:05.368 --> 00:07:07.168 another dropdown or something. 00:07:07.278 --> 00:07:11.191 But it, I th the only people who used it were people. 00:07:11.262 --> 00:07:15.072 Could've just emailed me anyway that people I know, and there will people 00:07:15.072 --> 00:07:17.262 I hoped would use it as in customers. 00:07:17.262 --> 00:07:18.012 I don't know. 00:07:18.012 --> 00:07:20.638 And, you know, have a it don't have a relationship with me anyway. 00:07:20.708 --> 00:07:22.058 Just actually didn't use it. 00:07:22.058 --> 00:07:25.868 They're the people who emailed me about it rather than the friends that 00:07:25.868 --> 00:07:30.638 are using it, use the button, which is the opposite of what I expected. 00:07:30.638 --> 00:07:31.718 So I'm like, oh, okay. 00:07:31.765 --> 00:07:34.299 I'll probably put it back, but I removed it for the moment anyway. 00:07:34.929 --> 00:07:35.349 Mario: Yeah. 00:07:35.589 --> 00:07:35.979 Yeah. 00:07:37.509 --> 00:07:37.899 Yeah. 00:07:37.966 --> 00:07:38.994 Alan: What other marketing efforts. 00:07:38.994 --> 00:07:39.954 Have you been up to? 00:07:41.239 --> 00:07:45.489 Mario: Well actually these past two weeks, haven't been, like I was saying haven't 00:07:45.489 --> 00:07:47.409 been as productive as I wanted them to. 00:07:47.409 --> 00:07:47.823 be. 00:07:47.823 --> 00:07:51.720 Just because of other things going on, you know, with work and just 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:57.850 haven't been able to find enough time to work on Fusioncast related items. 00:07:57.880 --> 00:08:02.236 So just managed to get those, you know to write that blog post and, 00:08:02.386 --> 00:08:05.371 you know, post on Twitter here and there and interact with people 00:08:05.371 --> 00:08:07.111 more, get out there a little more. 00:08:07.201 --> 00:08:10.884 Also part of these past two weeks besides that in the back of my mind, I've been 00:08:10.884 --> 00:08:15.234 thinking about this main issue that I need to resolve that recording issue 00:08:15.234 --> 00:08:17.660 that, I've been having with Fusioncast. 00:08:17.812 --> 00:08:22.377 So I've been, thinking about it and, you know, doing some research 00:08:22.827 --> 00:08:24.469 here and there trying to brainstorm. 00:08:24.477 --> 00:08:28.437 How I can go about it to, to fix that problem. 00:08:28.557 --> 00:08:31.707 Alan: I mean, I guess that's, that's your, probably your biggest engineering 00:08:32.287 --> 00:08:35.857 challenge right now is making sure that this is resolved for good. 00:08:35.857 --> 00:08:36.157 Right? 00:08:36.177 --> 00:08:38.235 So it might be worth just yes. 00:08:38.235 --> 00:08:42.388 Spending the next engineering chunk of time, rather than the marketing 00:08:42.418 --> 00:08:44.128 chunk of time of just like that. 00:08:44.128 --> 00:08:45.238 That's the thing to fix. 00:08:45.238 --> 00:08:45.448 Right? 00:08:46.318 --> 00:08:50.578 I mean, everything else is pretty much, you know, there's this endless, 00:08:50.578 --> 00:08:51.988 like everything can be improved. 00:08:51.988 --> 00:08:52.198 Right. 00:08:52.198 --> 00:08:53.938 But everything else is fine. 00:08:53.938 --> 00:08:57.868 But if that isn't a hundred percent reliable, then that's a problem. 00:08:57.868 --> 00:08:58.078 Right. 00:08:58.223 --> 00:08:58.883 Mario: That's an issue. 00:08:58.883 --> 00:08:59.423 Exactly. 00:08:59.423 --> 00:09:03.306 And that's why it's been in the back of my mind, but it kind of 00:09:03.376 --> 00:09:09.166 slowed me down in in trying to focus on the market and the marketing stuff. 00:09:09.196 --> 00:09:11.206 During that time that I was supposed to be focused. 00:09:12.131 --> 00:09:14.951 Oh, that was supposed to be dedicated to marketing. 00:09:15.401 --> 00:09:17.801 You know, I've been thinking about this and then kind of like 00:09:17.801 --> 00:09:21.461 gravitating towards that and how am I going to fix it and brainstorming. 00:09:21.461 --> 00:09:25.947 And so it wasn't like the best situation, you know, that mental 00:09:25.947 --> 00:09:28.902 model wasn't really the best. 00:09:28.962 --> 00:09:29.652 So, 00:09:30.257 --> 00:09:32.567 Alan: get this thing fixed and then you can focus all of your 00:09:32.567 --> 00:09:33.707 attention next time on that. 00:09:33.707 --> 00:09:33.947 Right. 00:09:34.302 --> 00:09:35.052 Mario: Exactly. 00:09:35.052 --> 00:09:35.592 yeah. 00:09:35.592 --> 00:09:38.412 Alan: I do like the idea, like the video you put on your homepage. 00:09:38.412 --> 00:09:41.022 So I like, like the redesign, the, the video that's cool. 00:09:41.032 --> 00:09:41.872 Mario: oh, cool. 00:09:41.902 --> 00:09:42.382 Thanks. 00:09:42.972 --> 00:09:46.227 Alan: I, I do like video explainers and walkthroughs and much more 00:09:46.227 --> 00:09:49.137 so than just, you know, an animation and advertising marketing 00:09:49.137 --> 00:09:51.207 animation is like, no, it's again. 00:09:52.157 --> 00:09:56.770 Puts that, the name, that person there just an obvious, this is what the 00:09:56.770 --> 00:09:58.360 product is and this is how it works. 00:09:58.385 --> 00:09:59.165 I like that. 00:09:59.206 --> 00:10:03.369 And I'm, I'm going to record another one for my onboarding kind of thing. 00:10:03.424 --> 00:10:05.800 So that's just because the product. 00:10:06.505 --> 00:10:09.745 Changed enough that it's not entirely like that anymore. 00:10:09.755 --> 00:10:11.575 It's not a hundred percent the same screen anymore. 00:10:11.725 --> 00:10:13.855 And I just think I can do a better version of that now. 00:10:13.855 --> 00:10:17.678 So I'm going to try and record that this well, I will record that this week. 00:10:17.738 --> 00:10:18.488 There's no try. 00:10:19.998 --> 00:10:20.688 Mario: There you go. 00:10:21.378 --> 00:10:21.858 Yeah. 00:10:22.518 --> 00:10:26.088 And it's, it takes, It takes a long, a long time to get, to 00:10:26.138 --> 00:10:27.938 Alan: a surprisingly amount of time, right? 00:10:27.938 --> 00:10:31.058 Just to do something simple, like, you know, a 30 second or a one minute 00:10:31.058 --> 00:10:33.218 video is like, it's a lot of work. 00:10:33.728 --> 00:10:34.238 Mario: Yeah. 00:10:34.268 --> 00:10:34.598 Yeah. 00:10:34.598 --> 00:10:38.408 We had to do it over and over and over and tried different things. 00:10:38.408 --> 00:10:43.448 And when we thought it was done and it was working, then we thought it was something 00:10:43.448 --> 00:10:46.298 else wasn't working and did it again. 00:10:46.298 --> 00:10:48.428 And then editing took forever too. 00:10:48.878 --> 00:10:51.418 So, but It turned out good. 00:10:51.518 --> 00:10:53.398 I'm I'm my worst critic. 00:10:53.418 --> 00:10:55.468 I'm never satisfied with anything I do. 00:10:55.468 --> 00:10:57.478 So, so, 00:10:57.523 --> 00:10:57.743 Alan: know. 00:10:57.838 --> 00:10:58.288 Mario: you know. 00:10:59.818 --> 00:11:02.128 so to me it's like it's, it's good enough. 00:11:02.128 --> 00:11:05.751 just put it out there and but I I've gotten pretty good feedback about it. 00:11:06.081 --> 00:11:06.351 Alan: Cool. 00:11:06.685 --> 00:11:07.105 excellent. 00:11:07.315 --> 00:11:10.735 No, I mean, it's a, I say it's whole aisle feels like it's coming together. 00:11:10.735 --> 00:11:14.383 It's I think at some point you're going to have to almost do. 00:11:14.501 --> 00:11:21.371 I don't want to say a launch because it's, it's hard launch is not easy 00:11:21.491 --> 00:11:23.261 or feasible to do on your own. 00:11:23.561 --> 00:11:28.661 Not, not very manageable anyway, but yeah, you're, you almost need a kind of like a 00:11:28.751 --> 00:11:33.696 deadline or some some moment in time when you can say, okay, it's, it's actually 00:11:33.876 --> 00:11:36.336 live and you know, there's nothing. 00:11:38.031 --> 00:11:41.551 There's no hesitation in giving people a signup URL. 00:11:41.571 --> 00:11:41.781 Right. 00:11:42.741 --> 00:11:47.121 I guess that's the thing, which for me is like, it feels like, it feels like 00:11:47.121 --> 00:11:51.231 it's forever getting further away, even though in theory, it's getting closer. 00:11:51.231 --> 00:11:55.511 It just feels like that the amount of stuff I need to do to, to 00:11:55.521 --> 00:11:59.361 be comfortable doing that feels like it's it's ever increasing. 00:11:59.361 --> 00:11:59.571 Right. 00:11:59.601 --> 00:12:01.251 Even though realistically is not. 00:12:01.350 --> 00:12:04.770 I think there's the, it's the confidence thing again, isn't it. 00:12:04.770 --> 00:12:05.070 Right. 00:12:05.250 --> 00:12:05.520 It's. 00:12:06.495 --> 00:12:11.985 It's knowing that, okay, it's not mine anymore in terms of, you know, there's not 00:12:11.985 --> 00:12:16.384 a wall that I let you in one at a time, it's like, no, just climb over the wall. 00:12:16.384 --> 00:12:16.984 If you feel like 00:12:17.929 --> 00:12:18.359 Mario: Yeah. 00:12:18.814 --> 00:12:20.434 Alan: a, it's a scary moment. 00:12:20.434 --> 00:12:25.172 And it does feel that I've got to hit that soon or else I'm 00:12:25.172 --> 00:12:26.282 going to go a little bit crazy. 00:12:27.062 --> 00:12:27.392 Right? 00:12:29.117 --> 00:12:29.507 Mario: yeah, 00:12:29.612 --> 00:12:30.092 Alan: feel the same. 00:12:30.887 --> 00:12:31.397 Mario: Yeah. 00:12:31.397 --> 00:12:33.838 And we risk hitting a burnout. 00:12:33.868 --> 00:12:38.384 You know if, if we don't make significant progress and, and new 00:12:38.384 --> 00:12:43.214 things are happening, it feels like you're just in the same spot and 00:12:43.214 --> 00:12:47.024 you're spinning wheels and wasting all this energy and not getting anywhere. 00:12:47.131 --> 00:12:51.721 So Yeah, I totally get it, but Yeah. 00:12:51.721 --> 00:12:55.222 I don't really have much much of an update on my end. 00:12:55.264 --> 00:12:57.904 I'm getting back to the code base, starting tomorrow. 00:12:57.904 --> 00:13:01.234 My goal is to completely eliminate the need for this 00:13:01.234 --> 00:13:03.124 recovery feature that I created. 00:13:03.184 --> 00:13:03.784 You know, right. 00:13:03.784 --> 00:13:07.469 Because if that's my target, then that means you know, Fusioncast 00:13:07.489 --> 00:13:13.309 will handle every situation more reliably, you know, even if the page 00:13:13.309 --> 00:13:15.349 is refreshed or whatever happens. 00:13:15.379 --> 00:13:18.829 Alan: So right now, if I, obviously, if I go into, try to leave, it'll 00:13:18.829 --> 00:13:20.779 say no, wait until it's finished. 00:13:20.809 --> 00:13:24.554 Do you catch the tab or window close as well? 00:13:24.554 --> 00:13:26.038 Will it stop me from closing the window? 00:13:26.463 --> 00:13:27.973 Mario: It won't, do anything. 00:13:27.973 --> 00:13:32.083 It'll, you'll be able to close the window or the tab or the browser, 00:13:32.113 --> 00:13:38.383 you know, any time it won't stop you because I tried doing that and what 00:13:38.383 --> 00:13:40.003 ends up happening for some reason. 00:13:40.123 --> 00:13:44.143 And I may revisit this, but what ends up happening is the 00:13:44.239 --> 00:13:44.599 camera. 00:13:45.434 --> 00:13:47.684 Signal is interrupted for some 00:13:47.818 --> 00:13:51.848 It's not, it's not a clean, way of handling it. 00:13:51.908 --> 00:13:55.538 At least the way I tried it, I tried all different ways and I 00:13:55.568 --> 00:13:59.068 couldn't get it to pop the message that you normally get without that. 00:13:59.419 --> 00:14:03.249 Interrupting the communication or what's going on, the camera would 00:14:03.789 --> 00:14:07.774 disappear or some weird thing would happen and I just couldn't get it. 00:14:07.774 --> 00:14:09.134 So I might, revisit that, but 00:14:09.134 --> 00:14:09.823 Alan: you might, you might, 00:14:09.883 --> 00:14:10.543 Mario: the challenges. 00:14:10.903 --> 00:14:11.233 Alan: You might. 00:14:11.233 --> 00:14:14.902 So you might require the The recovery mode just for that case. 00:14:14.902 --> 00:14:15.142 Right. 00:14:15.142 --> 00:14:19.312 And if somebody does close the browser and there is a hanging a 00:14:19.342 --> 00:14:23.962 bit of upload left, then you know that you might need it for that. 00:14:23.962 --> 00:14:25.672 But hopefully that's the only case. 00:14:25.672 --> 00:14:25.912 Right? 00:14:26.062 --> 00:14:29.452 Or do you just kind of say, well, you lost that, that's it finish 00:14:29.462 --> 00:14:31.372 the file and that's the problem. 00:14:31.842 --> 00:14:32.382 Mario: Yeah. 00:14:32.412 --> 00:14:32.862 Yeah. 00:14:32.892 --> 00:14:36.972 See, the thing is if only a few seconds are lost at the end, 00:14:36.972 --> 00:14:38.172 I don't think it's a big deal. 00:14:38.532 --> 00:14:39.432 I think. 00:14:39.462 --> 00:14:45.432 Well, you know, it's, it could be handled that way and not be a major issue. 00:14:45.521 --> 00:14:46.841 But Yeah. 00:14:46.901 --> 00:14:53.005 it's it's, it's a, it's a tough problem to solve, at least with what I have 00:14:53.005 --> 00:14:57.171 what I know the way, the way you know, engineering, this thing it's a tough 00:14:57.201 --> 00:15:01.426 problem to solve and I don't know how other services have handled it. 00:15:01.726 --> 00:15:06.376 Some claim that it's not an issue for them, but I don't really 00:15:06.376 --> 00:15:07.696 know because I don't use them. 00:15:07.790 --> 00:15:08.310 So. 00:15:08.310 --> 00:15:11.813 I just need to figure it out my own way to do it. 00:15:12.258 --> 00:15:12.468 Alan: Yeah. 00:15:13.253 --> 00:15:13.793 Interesting. 00:15:14.243 --> 00:15:18.468 Yeah, that's a it, cause as you say, if it's only a case of oh, you lost 00:15:18.498 --> 00:15:22.428 the last 10 seconds because everything else up until then was uploaded. 00:15:22.428 --> 00:15:23.698 Cause you're constantly uploading. 00:15:23.718 --> 00:15:23.988 Right. 00:15:24.288 --> 00:15:26.028 Then, Hey, you know, well, that's your fault. 00:15:26.028 --> 00:15:27.648 You closed the browser too too quick. 00:15:28.248 --> 00:15:28.728 Mario: Yeah. 00:15:29.328 --> 00:15:32.448 Alan: but yeah, if it's, if it's significantly more like it's, if it's a 00:15:32.448 --> 00:15:34.698 few minutes, then that's, that's not good. 00:15:34.728 --> 00:15:34.998 Right. 00:15:35.243 --> 00:15:35.513 Mario: Yeah, 00:15:36.233 --> 00:15:39.683 Alan: And again, because you won't, as the recorder, you won't have 00:15:39.683 --> 00:15:41.333 control over what the guest does. 00:15:41.333 --> 00:15:41.603 Right. 00:15:41.653 --> 00:15:47.276 But at the same time, removing that whole entire leg of the, of the process 00:15:47.276 --> 00:15:48.716 and saying, well, there, that's just it. 00:15:48.746 --> 00:15:51.806 Once they've closed the browser, the session ends and it's, you know, well, 00:15:51.816 --> 00:15:56.846 you've got what you've got it removes complexity on your end and it removes 00:15:57.236 --> 00:16:01.556 instructions and a whole, well, you know, you need to go and do this. 00:16:01.556 --> 00:16:02.816 It's just like, it's all gone. 00:16:02.816 --> 00:16:03.056 Right. 00:16:03.056 --> 00:16:03.356 So. 00:16:04.026 --> 00:16:04.656 Mario: Exactly. 00:16:04.861 --> 00:16:06.981 Alan: There's a big yeah, that's a nice thing to do. 00:16:07.131 --> 00:16:12.141 And just say, well, don't close the browser, really press leave 00:16:12.141 --> 00:16:14.541 and let the session finish before you close your browser. 00:16:14.601 --> 00:16:15.749 That's that's your problem. 00:16:15.779 --> 00:16:21.831 So, Hmm that's I think this is one of the I, I think this also is something 00:16:21.831 --> 00:16:27.803 I feel is It's more difficult as a solo small team is you, you want 00:16:27.803 --> 00:16:31.973 to almost like, please everybody, you want to catch all of the cases 00:16:31.973 --> 00:16:33.863 you want to make everybody happy. 00:16:33.863 --> 00:16:34.133 Right. 00:16:34.133 --> 00:16:37.523 Whereas I know if I was making that decision. 00:16:37.552 --> 00:16:41.482 You know, we were a company and there was, you know, lots of us building a product. 00:16:41.842 --> 00:16:43.642 And somebody came to me with that feature. 00:16:43.702 --> 00:16:46.312 I'd be like, that's low that's. 00:16:46.402 --> 00:16:48.142 We know that's not going to stop shipping. 00:16:48.142 --> 00:16:48.352 Right. 00:16:48.922 --> 00:16:51.472 That's not going to stop a shift when we put up a thing to say, that's it. 00:16:51.712 --> 00:16:56.530 But when it's your own, you really do feel like a a much more responsibility then. 00:16:57.295 --> 00:16:59.245 And I it's eats. 00:16:59.275 --> 00:17:03.344 That's a really hard thing to to get through. 00:17:03.387 --> 00:17:06.987 The thinking process is you really do feel like, I mean, I hit this all 00:17:06.987 --> 00:17:08.277 the time with, with DotPlan, right? 00:17:09.372 --> 00:17:13.812 There's features that I'm building that I'm like, if I was building this for a 00:17:13.812 --> 00:17:19.602 company, I just would deprioritize and say, it's not a priority for this release. 00:17:20.322 --> 00:17:22.632 I would literally put a line through it and say, you know what? 00:17:22.632 --> 00:17:23.502 We're not tackling that yet. 00:17:23.712 --> 00:17:28.722 Whereas I do feel right now, it's very difficult to say to in your mind, 00:17:28.752 --> 00:17:29.892 I'm not going to think about that. 00:17:29.982 --> 00:17:32.262 I'm just not a problem you want to. 00:17:33.267 --> 00:17:36.219 You feel much more I'm not sure if the word responsibility, 00:17:36.219 --> 00:17:38.469 but you feel like this I'm 00:17:38.884 --> 00:17:39.674 Mario: Compelled to, 00:17:39.739 --> 00:17:39.969 Alan: yeah. 00:17:39.969 --> 00:17:40.339 Compelled. 00:17:40.379 --> 00:17:41.439 There you got that's it, yes. 00:17:41.584 --> 00:17:45.314 Mario: to make it a perfect or to make it you know, really solid. 00:17:45.429 --> 00:17:45.789 Alan: yes. 00:17:46.269 --> 00:17:48.899 And I think that's also difficult because I've never done. 00:17:49.869 --> 00:17:51.049 Product management. 00:17:51.049 --> 00:17:54.826 You know, I've done, you know, technical, leading, that's fine. 00:17:54.826 --> 00:17:59.896 I can prioritize and organize a technical team to make sure we build 00:17:59.896 --> 00:18:01.496 the things which need building. 00:18:01.519 --> 00:18:06.759 But making those product calls is not something I've I've advised 00:18:06.759 --> 00:18:09.969 from a technical point of view, but I've, that's never been my job. 00:18:10.209 --> 00:18:10.749 And. 00:18:12.234 --> 00:18:13.914 It's a really hard thing to learn. 00:18:14.484 --> 00:18:19.764 I think so I actually joined a there's a product tank, Tokyo slack group that 00:18:19.779 --> 00:18:25.552 and it's for product managers which I, I know it's that there, and I know 00:18:25.562 --> 00:18:29.422 the role exists and I know a little bit about it, but I've never really. 00:18:30.742 --> 00:18:35.692 Thought about it as like a community that discusses the challenges of their role. 00:18:35.692 --> 00:18:35.962 Right. 00:18:35.962 --> 00:18:37.072 So I'm like, okay. 00:18:37.072 --> 00:18:41.002 So I joined this, introduce myself, they have meetups and all the rest, and they 00:18:41.002 --> 00:18:47.722 were excited to, you know, welcome a, an engineer into their, into that group. 00:18:47.752 --> 00:18:52.012 They say, well, you know, we'd love to hear your take on it as a, you know, as 00:18:52.012 --> 00:18:56.072 a founder, as an engineer, trying to Come to terms with these, these challenges. 00:18:56.141 --> 00:18:59.951 So, you know, they, they actually said, you know, would you be willing 00:18:59.951 --> 00:19:03.371 to, you know, talk did we talk about this when things are back 00:19:03.371 --> 00:19:04.721 in that talking kind of sense? 00:19:04.721 --> 00:19:05.411 I'm like, well, okay. 00:19:05.441 --> 00:19:08.711 I was just saying, oh, so it was interesting to see that, you know, 00:19:08.711 --> 00:19:12.311 they obviously have a different set of challenges in getting engineering 00:19:12.311 --> 00:19:14.381 to do, almost do what they want, 00:19:15.291 --> 00:19:15.801 Mario: Yeah, 00:19:16.211 --> 00:19:19.121 Alan: it does feel like there's a, you know, in the same way that, you 00:19:19.121 --> 00:19:20.921 know, design and engineering has a. 00:19:20.959 --> 00:19:22.208 Push pull relationship. 00:19:22.238 --> 00:19:25.448 I think product engineer or product management and product engineering has 00:19:25.458 --> 00:19:27.643 a a different set of dynamics, right? 00:19:27.673 --> 00:19:31.873 That they both have different priorities and goals, and you need 00:19:31.873 --> 00:19:34.543 somewhere to meet in the middle. 00:19:34.543 --> 00:19:34.753 And 00:19:34.753 --> 00:19:35.216 Mario: Yeah. 00:19:36.686 --> 00:19:37.436 Yeah, totally. 00:19:38.396 --> 00:19:39.296 Yeah, it is. 00:19:39.386 --> 00:19:40.016 It is. 00:19:40.706 --> 00:19:44.625 So I'm hoping to, you know, figure it out at some point. 00:19:44.652 --> 00:19:49.218 I just need to spend more time and try different things and I have 00:19:49.218 --> 00:19:51.267 some ideas of how to go about it. 00:19:52.187 --> 00:19:54.157 I have to try it out and see how it goes. 00:19:55.622 --> 00:19:59.252 Alan: That's all get that work in that's that's the challenge. 00:19:59.282 --> 00:20:00.602 That's your task 00:20:02.107 --> 00:20:02.527 Mario: yup. 00:20:02.612 --> 00:20:03.962 Alan: No ifs or buts, just got to get it done 00:20:04.957 --> 00:20:05.347 Mario: yeah. 00:20:05.677 --> 00:20:06.427 Eventually 00:20:06.442 --> 00:20:07.492 Alan: I mean, it must be frustrating. 00:20:07.512 --> 00:20:10.882 I mean, it's obviously frustrating for you because there's, as I said, 00:20:10.882 --> 00:20:16.402 that's the, from my perspective, that's the barrier now for you to launch 00:20:16.432 --> 00:20:18.545 everything else is a is a technicality. 00:20:18.545 --> 00:20:23.135 It's, you know, this there's nothing else, but at the same time, I can understand 00:20:23.135 --> 00:20:28.175 you, you know, your hesitancy to, to want to bring on anyone else until 00:20:28.175 --> 00:20:31.745 you know, this is solid and reliable. 00:20:32.545 --> 00:20:32.935 Mario: Yeah. 00:20:32.995 --> 00:20:33.235 Yeah. 00:20:33.235 --> 00:20:35.745 The way I see it, it's the core part of the product 00:20:36.065 --> 00:20:36.720 Alan: This is what it 00:20:36.720 --> 00:20:37.050 does. 00:20:37.325 --> 00:20:38.635 Mario: it's, it's what it does. 00:20:38.635 --> 00:20:42.565 So it needs to be more solid than it than it is now. 00:20:42.565 --> 00:20:44.125 It is pretty good right now. 00:20:44.125 --> 00:20:44.905 It works. 00:20:44.905 --> 00:20:47.174 It, you know if it's used. 00:20:48.084 --> 00:20:49.344 Properly right. 00:20:49.437 --> 00:20:50.457 Quote, unquote properly. 00:20:50.457 --> 00:20:56.073 If it's, if it's used within the you know, the, the normal use cases, it 00:20:56.073 --> 00:21:01.593 works really well, but once, you know, if we get it out into those outliers, 00:21:01.818 --> 00:21:03.378 Alan: That'd be me then I'm the outlier. 00:21:03.828 --> 00:21:04.398 Basically. 00:21:04.398 --> 00:21:05.808 There's only ever happens with me, right? 00:21:06.953 --> 00:21:07.223 Mario: yeah, 00:21:07.908 --> 00:21:08.178 Alan: Yeah. 00:21:08.963 --> 00:21:09.263 Mario: Yeah. 00:21:09.318 --> 00:21:11.498 Alan: I'm not saying it's your fault Alan, but it's your fault, right? 00:21:11.498 --> 00:21:11.588 Mario: no. 00:21:11.738 --> 00:21:14.968 Alan: I take full responsibility. 00:21:17.473 --> 00:21:18.343 Mario: Well, we'll see. 00:21:18.408 --> 00:21:19.848 I think it'll, be fine. 00:21:19.848 --> 00:21:20.608 I'll figure it out. 00:21:20.698 --> 00:21:22.468 I have to tell myself that I'll figure it 00:21:22.468 --> 00:21:26.501 Alan: Oh you will well, I, I mean, you you've solved so many of the challenges to 00:21:26.501 --> 00:21:28.571 get this working as smoothly as it does. 00:21:28.571 --> 00:21:30.581 This is a, it is an edge case. 00:21:30.611 --> 00:21:36.234 And yeah, it's probably just something to do with the way we're faffing around 00:21:36.234 --> 00:21:38.274 with setting up calls and, you know, 00:21:38.929 --> 00:21:39.319 Mario: Yeah. 00:21:39.386 --> 00:21:44.406 Alan: My browser issues and although I say, so I switched out of this machine, so 00:21:45.126 --> 00:21:50.645 I I had a 16 inch I nine MacBook pro thing with you know, lots 00:21:50.645 --> 00:21:51.845 of ramen and all the rest. 00:21:51.845 --> 00:21:55.115 So I've switched it to an M1 MacBook air. 00:21:55.127 --> 00:21:59.960 So our last recording that we did like two weeks ago because I was having 00:21:59.960 --> 00:22:04.969 so much issues with it, overheating, I It was just like going crazy. 00:22:04.969 --> 00:22:09.949 I couldn't run the, in the laptop monitor and the, an external mantra at the same 00:22:09.949 --> 00:22:13.639 time, it would just like threatful to 800 megahertz and just like become unusable. 00:22:13.909 --> 00:22:15.377 So I had to choose one or the other. 00:22:15.405 --> 00:22:19.700 So I did our last call on battery because I didn't have a charger around. 00:22:19.710 --> 00:22:23.600 I think I remember I had to end the call at the end because I'd run out of battery. 00:22:23.600 --> 00:22:23.810 Right. 00:22:24.050 --> 00:22:29.210 So that used an entire charge of that 16 inch MacBook pro from hundred percent 00:22:29.210 --> 00:22:31.987 to zero in one hour and 10 minutes. 00:22:32.052 --> 00:22:40.674 So now I'm on this M1 with like basically no fan and everything, and it's just 00:22:41.304 --> 00:22:42.894 smooth as can be it's. 00:22:42.894 --> 00:22:44.334 Mario: and it's 99%. 00:22:44.554 --> 00:22:45.154 Alan: Pretty much. 00:22:45.154 --> 00:22:45.454 Yeah. 00:22:45.484 --> 00:22:46.204 It's nothing. 00:22:46.234 --> 00:22:48.004 No, no issues whatsoever. 00:22:48.004 --> 00:22:48.943 So yeah, 00:22:50.013 --> 00:22:50.223 Mario: yeah, 00:22:50.223 --> 00:22:51.973 I've heard great things about the M1 00:22:52.303 --> 00:22:54.593 Alan: I mean, the crazy thing is it's, you know, it was half 00:22:54.593 --> 00:22:56.483 the price literally as well, so 00:22:56.621 --> 00:22:57.101 Mario: Nice. 00:22:59.931 --> 00:23:02.691 Alan: so yeah, I, I, I'm still trying to get used to the small 00:23:02.691 --> 00:23:05.667 screen, but you know, I can do that. 00:23:06.842 --> 00:23:08.102 Mario: But you, you can connect it 00:23:08.337 --> 00:23:08.507 Alan: Yeah. 00:23:08.507 --> 00:23:08.667 Yeah. 00:23:08.667 --> 00:23:08.997 I've got it 00:23:09.152 --> 00:23:09.322 Mario: right? 00:23:09.332 --> 00:23:09.602 Large 00:23:09.657 --> 00:23:09.927 Alan: screen. 00:23:09.927 --> 00:23:10.347 as well as 00:23:10.352 --> 00:23:10.742 Mario: Yeah. 00:23:10.862 --> 00:23:11.162 Yeah. 00:23:11.997 --> 00:23:14.247 Alan: every time I look at it, I'm like, Ooh, this screen is 00:23:15.047 --> 00:23:16.227 That's literally the only thing. 00:23:16.227 --> 00:23:16.527 So 00:23:16.707 --> 00:23:17.337 everything else has. 00:23:18.242 --> 00:23:18.432 Mario: Yeah. 00:23:18.482 --> 00:23:20.072 it's just you're you you're used to the other one 00:23:20.072 --> 00:23:20.682 Alan: Yeah, exactly. 00:23:22.137 --> 00:23:22.317 Yeah. 00:23:22.317 --> 00:23:25.107 So that, that actually slowed me down development wise a little bit 00:23:25.107 --> 00:23:28.767 as well, because just switching to a new machine takes time. 00:23:28.767 --> 00:23:29.007 Right. 00:23:29.051 --> 00:23:30.038 Mario: I hate doing that. 00:23:30.038 --> 00:23:33.278 It takes forever to get it back to where you want it to be. 00:23:33.333 --> 00:23:35.313 Alan: Better than it used to be with iCloud. 00:23:35.313 --> 00:23:38.733 And, you know, obviously everything is in GitHub now. 00:23:38.746 --> 00:23:43.126 You know, it's, it's either an iCloud or it's in get hub and, but, you 00:23:43.126 --> 00:23:46.516 know, obviously things don't always go quite as smoothly as you hope. 00:23:47.171 --> 00:23:47.681 Mario: yeah. 00:23:47.731 --> 00:23:47.861 Yeah. 00:23:48.136 --> 00:23:52.786 Alan: So that, that actually slow me down a little bit, but at the same time, say. 00:23:54.211 --> 00:23:58.683 I've been trying to solve this not solve, but improve this onboarding thing. 00:23:58.709 --> 00:24:01.469 And so the, the solution I've come up with, I, I played around 00:24:01.469 --> 00:24:02.849 with a bunch of these tools. 00:24:02.849 --> 00:24:03.789 I tried Intercom. 00:24:03.839 --> 00:24:04.959 I tried Helppier. 00:24:05.009 --> 00:24:06.764 I tried I think three or four of them. 00:24:06.786 --> 00:24:09.186 They all Appcues was the one, Appcues is nice. 00:24:09.186 --> 00:24:13.176 But again, it goes from zero to $250. 00:24:13.217 --> 00:24:15.972 Literally overnight, you know, you go from What is it? 00:24:16.152 --> 00:24:16.752 I can't remember. 00:24:16.842 --> 00:24:21.876 They they have a limited number of displays of the help the modals 00:24:21.876 --> 00:24:23.226 or the guided tour you can do? 00:24:23.274 --> 00:24:26.004 Depending on how many of those you've view per month, and it's not a high 00:24:26.004 --> 00:24:29.244 number it goes from free plan to 250 plan. 00:24:29.247 --> 00:24:32.502 Literally if you go one over and I'm like, I I don't want to commit to that. 00:24:32.502 --> 00:24:34.062 right now. 00:24:34.382 --> 00:24:37.722 Especially when I'm not sure that, you know, it's, it's a lot of work to get 00:24:37.722 --> 00:24:40.662 that set up as well, you know, just because I'd have to go through and, 00:24:40.692 --> 00:24:44.240 you know, all of these tools pretty much work the same in terms of the like 00:24:44.450 --> 00:24:49.580 usually a Chrome extension that you, you browse to your site to you enable it. 00:24:49.820 --> 00:24:51.470 And then you, you know, you set up a flow. 00:24:51.470 --> 00:24:52.400 So you say this element. 00:24:52.895 --> 00:24:54.935 It brings up this box and you write the text for the box. 00:24:54.935 --> 00:24:56.615 And then when you click this, it goes to another one. 00:24:56.615 --> 00:24:59.485 So you basically set up this whole flow of of onboarding somebody 00:24:59.485 --> 00:25:02.035 through your product and then they take them to this page. 00:25:02.035 --> 00:25:05.736 And so there's, it's a lot of work to to actually get this set up. 00:25:05.766 --> 00:25:09.516 And it's a non-zero cost to change either because each one you'd have 00:25:09.516 --> 00:25:12.906 to, you know, if you decided to change from, you know, Appcues to Intercom, 00:25:13.116 --> 00:25:15.936 it'd have to go through the whole process again, it's not just an import 00:25:15.985 --> 00:25:17.505 you know, you input your app cues. 00:25:17.735 --> 00:25:18.980 Onboarding to Intercom. 00:25:18.980 --> 00:25:22.340 You'd have to go through the whole process and there's subtle differences 00:25:22.340 --> 00:25:26.060 in terms of, you know, some of them can't do this type of button layout. 00:25:26.540 --> 00:25:31.974 So I spent a few hours trying those out and came to the conclusion that this 00:25:31.974 --> 00:25:34.134 isn't what I should be doing right now. 00:25:34.210 --> 00:25:37.775 So I've just gone for what I'm doing is putting up. 00:25:37.775 --> 00:25:41.906 So when you create an account, you get a that there's two different paths. 00:25:42.756 --> 00:25:46.616 If you create an account and create a workspace, you get one modal, which 00:25:46.616 --> 00:25:49.494 is basically explaining what to do. 00:25:49.563 --> 00:25:54.256 With the, the demonstration video embedded in that modal. 00:25:54.256 --> 00:25:55.563 You can just close that and it's gone. 00:25:55.572 --> 00:25:59.874 Have it, I'm going to put like a help button somewhere, which will re show that. 00:26:00.444 --> 00:26:02.934 And then when you go to the. 00:26:04.284 --> 00:26:08.454 Like the, the, the new check-in paste of traits and new check-in, I've got, I'm 00:26:08.454 --> 00:26:09.834 coming up with a different model for that. 00:26:09.834 --> 00:26:13.764 So I'm writing that at the moment, which is the previous one is telling 00:26:13.764 --> 00:26:18.364 you what the service does for you and how you should use this. 00:26:18.364 --> 00:26:22.774 And then the check-in page modal basically tells you what to do on that page. 00:26:23.324 --> 00:26:28.304 So this is where a guided tour with the buttons would go if I committed 00:26:28.304 --> 00:26:29.594 to that, but I'm like, okay. 00:26:29.594 --> 00:26:31.964 In the meantime, in the short term, I'm just going to put up a 00:26:31.994 --> 00:26:34.544 modal and tell you what to do and hope that you can figure that out. 00:26:34.544 --> 00:26:35.744 It's not rocket science, right? 00:26:36.974 --> 00:26:39.314 So that's my free solution 00:26:39.614 --> 00:26:39.754 Mario: Right 00:26:40.604 --> 00:26:42.584 Alan: rather than committing to $250. 00:26:42.590 --> 00:26:45.763 And I'm hoping that just gets past the barrier of people, you 00:26:45.763 --> 00:26:48.187 know, hitting that page and going well, I don't know what to do. 00:26:48.207 --> 00:26:53.429 If it's a reasonably concise, clear explanation then that that 00:26:53.429 --> 00:26:57.149 will hopefully let them at least have the confidence to try it out. 00:26:57.979 --> 00:27:02.744 and then the other one, which I haven't done yet is if you've been invited to 00:27:02.744 --> 00:27:06.481 the service from someone on your team the person who created it or somebody 00:27:06.481 --> 00:27:11.368 else Pulling up a different introduction modal I'll keep the same one for the 00:27:11.558 --> 00:27:13.138 check-in page, how to use the check-in. 00:27:13.173 --> 00:27:16.773 But for the welcome, I'm writing a different modal, which is, you 00:27:16.773 --> 00:27:20.673 know, you've been invited to this team and this is what you should do. 00:27:20.673 --> 00:27:22.923 So similar content, but different contexts. 00:27:22.958 --> 00:27:26.426 Just because again at the moment that th this is actually the. 00:27:27.351 --> 00:27:30.471 Path through the application right now is if you're invited 00:27:30.471 --> 00:27:35.931 by somebody, because it literally drops you in, go as there you go. 00:27:36.681 --> 00:27:41.601 And that's, it's, it's I wouldn't say it's keeping me up at night, but it's 00:27:41.601 --> 00:27:43.911 really annoying me that this is so bad. 00:27:43.941 --> 00:27:49.308 So this is the, the one thing that those three modals effectively I've 00:27:49.308 --> 00:27:50.538 got one and a half of them done. 00:27:50.568 --> 00:27:53.310 I need to write the third one and improve the, the second one. 00:27:53.820 --> 00:27:55.470 And then that's my. 00:27:56.570 --> 00:27:58.970 That's my big push for this week. 00:27:59.030 --> 00:27:59.420 Really. 00:27:59.486 --> 00:28:03.566 I'm hoping to, my plan is I want to send out some more invitations this weekend. 00:28:03.630 --> 00:28:08.400 And I feel that this is the thing that I, I don't want to send out the 00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:13.380 invitations without this in there, just because I'll hit the same. 00:28:13.470 --> 00:28:17.817 I don't think I'll learn anything new by people going through the same process. 00:28:17.847 --> 00:28:23.097 I think I will learn something new by having a better onboarding and then 00:28:23.427 --> 00:28:25.107 finding out how people respond to that. 00:28:25.107 --> 00:28:27.537 So that's my push for this week. 00:28:27.657 --> 00:28:29.457 That's my, I will get it done. 00:28:30.137 --> 00:28:30.577 Mario: Nice. 00:28:31.107 --> 00:28:31.517 Nice. 00:28:31.557 --> 00:28:32.077 You will 00:28:32.367 --> 00:28:36.005 Alan: how well I have I have a clear, well, I mean the same as 00:28:36.335 --> 00:28:41.135 this, I have a million, my things on my list that I really desperately 00:28:41.135 --> 00:28:43.035 a high number one priority. 00:28:43.099 --> 00:28:44.859 But again, I'm trying to apply a little bit of. 00:28:45.619 --> 00:28:48.696 Product manager think and I'm like, okay, what are these 00:28:48.696 --> 00:28:50.016 stopping me, Nana, none of that. 00:28:50.016 --> 00:28:51.216 None of these are this one. 00:28:51.576 --> 00:28:53.406 It's purely that the learning process. 00:28:53.406 --> 00:28:55.026 Again, I could send out the invitations. 00:28:55.026 --> 00:28:55.596 There's nothing. 00:28:55.656 --> 00:29:00.366 There's not nothing stopping me, but I don't think I'd learn anything new. 00:29:00.786 --> 00:29:00.996 Sorry. 00:29:01.026 --> 00:29:02.166 Something just fell into my desk. 00:29:02.199 --> 00:29:06.441 Eh, so yeah, the so I could send these out, but by getting this 00:29:06.441 --> 00:29:09.861 onboarding done, I definitely feel I would learn something new from it. 00:29:09.861 --> 00:29:14.331 So that's my goal for this weekend, well this week, this weekend. 00:29:14.821 --> 00:29:15.511 Mario: Nice. 00:29:15.541 --> 00:29:15.991 Nice. 00:29:16.021 --> 00:29:16.882 Sounds good. 00:29:16.882 --> 00:29:19.875 Wanting to ask back to those modals that you're creating. 00:29:19.904 --> 00:29:23.004 Have you thought about using video instead of text. 00:29:23.584 --> 00:29:23.894 Alan: Yes. 00:29:23.894 --> 00:29:24.214 Well, 00:29:24.449 --> 00:29:26.519 Mario: do like little screencasts there 00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:30.045 Alan: So actually that's what I'm doing for the for the main welcome page. 00:29:30.135 --> 00:29:35.085 I was, so I was going to put like the demo welcome video on that page. 00:29:35.825 --> 00:29:39.585 I'm thinking I'm going to not do that and just say welcome to 00:29:39.585 --> 00:29:43.095 the service to give a little bit more space for explanation there. 00:29:43.875 --> 00:29:47.672 And then when you go to the create a check-in page which I'm 00:29:47.672 --> 00:29:49.042 renaming , it's currently called. 00:29:49.397 --> 00:29:50.837 My plans or Your plans. 00:29:50.840 --> 00:29:53.469 I'm changing that to create a check-in 00:29:54.399 --> 00:29:54.909 Mario: Okay. 00:29:55.209 --> 00:29:59.307 Alan: the word plan is it's just, it's not working out in terms 00:29:59.307 --> 00:30:00.807 of people get confused by it. 00:30:00.807 --> 00:30:03.807 So I'm actually changing that to just create a new check-in. 00:30:04.347 --> 00:30:05.967 I use, you know, check-in is the. 00:30:07.712 --> 00:30:10.082 The core thing that the whole product is based around. 00:30:10.112 --> 00:30:12.122 So that should be the button, right. 00:30:12.152 --> 00:30:13.188 That's what you're creating. 00:30:13.234 --> 00:30:16.234 So when you go to the, create a new check-in page, then I'm 00:30:16.234 --> 00:30:19.151 going to put a video explaining how to use that page on there. 00:30:19.181 --> 00:30:21.281 That's that's my plan for that. 00:30:21.281 --> 00:30:24.135 So I have a little bit of text and then a video doing that, the. 00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:28.230 One, actually, I guess this isn't a problem. 00:30:28.327 --> 00:30:31.267 Because obviously I've got the Japanese English pages to do, but all the 00:30:31.267 --> 00:30:36.577 people I intend to invite will be in English for this, the next batch. 00:30:37.237 --> 00:30:39.727 So, and the I'm not going to pop this up. 00:30:39.757 --> 00:30:42.727 If you're already in an already a member, this is only for new 00:30:43.327 --> 00:30:46.567 signups, so that won't actually affect any of the existing users. 00:30:46.567 --> 00:30:46.867 So. 00:30:48.427 --> 00:30:49.707 So, so, 00:30:49.717 --> 00:30:54.847 yeah, cause I think the, the, that that creates a new check-in pages. 00:30:54.941 --> 00:30:58.931 It's not complicated, but again, it's, it seems to be the one that I've 00:30:58.931 --> 00:31:02.220 had the most response that I don't know what I should do on this page. 00:31:02.220 --> 00:31:04.740 And so I actually got a redesign in the works, but again, 00:31:04.740 --> 00:31:05.730 I don't want to rush that. 00:31:05.753 --> 00:31:06.343 It's good enough. 00:31:06.463 --> 00:31:08.353 It's it's usable right now. 00:31:08.383 --> 00:31:12.343 The one I'm working on is much better, but I also don't want to rush that 00:31:12.343 --> 00:31:13.903 out before I feel it's it's ready. 00:31:13.903 --> 00:31:15.853 And also that would confuse existing users. 00:31:15.853 --> 00:31:19.123 If I suddenly throw in a redesign of a page without at least 00:31:19.333 --> 00:31:20.573 letting them know what's going 00:31:21.293 --> 00:31:22.373 Mario: Yeah, exactly. 00:31:22.403 --> 00:31:22.793 Yup. 00:31:22.853 --> 00:31:28.288 That's always a challenge keeping in mind those existing users and 00:31:28.288 --> 00:31:28.754 Alan: this is 00:31:28.934 --> 00:31:33.644 Mario: you know, not undermine what, what, what they're used to and what they yeah. 00:31:33.674 --> 00:31:34.284 What they like. 00:31:34.324 --> 00:31:37.871 Alan: I mean, this is it's also one of the reasons I'm not, I mean, I think 00:31:37.871 --> 00:31:42.281 you're similarly and I don't want to throw in too many uses right now or 00:31:42.281 --> 00:31:44.291 open the flood gates flood gates, right? 00:31:44.291 --> 00:31:44.411 Yeah. 00:31:45.371 --> 00:31:46.031 That's going to happen. 00:31:47.411 --> 00:31:49.468 The theoretical flood gates all, okay. 00:31:49.468 --> 00:31:51.888 It's anybody going to sign up please? 00:31:51.945 --> 00:31:52.425 Mario: Never know. 00:31:52.510 --> 00:31:53.380 Alan: you never know, right? 00:31:53.439 --> 00:31:58.106 Once, yeah, people do start signing up, then it becomes ever 00:31:58.106 --> 00:31:59.756 harder to make radical changes. 00:31:59.756 --> 00:31:59.996 Right. 00:31:59.996 --> 00:32:03.581 So I would like to get this new check-in page design done 00:32:03.581 --> 00:32:05.561 before I, before too long. 00:32:05.561 --> 00:32:08.591 That's kind of like my next big priority. 00:32:08.591 --> 00:32:11.434 I've got, there's some, you know, a bunch of other smaller features that I 00:32:11.474 --> 00:32:13.694 need to finish off or add or improve. 00:32:13.694 --> 00:32:16.829 But the, the next big thing is the redesign check-in page. 00:32:16.889 --> 00:32:17.219 And. 00:32:18.599 --> 00:32:22.769 After that again, I'm, I'm reaching that point where I'm 00:32:22.769 --> 00:32:24.179 like, I've got no excuse anymore. 00:32:24.245 --> 00:32:30.245 I could come up with a million excuses, but I'm desperate to try to, not to. 00:32:31.825 --> 00:32:32.335 Mario: Yeah. 00:32:32.435 --> 00:32:32.765 Alan: I try. 00:32:32.765 --> 00:32:36.065 I try and apply a little bit of this to say this product manager thinking 00:32:36.065 --> 00:32:39.425 just because it's otherwise it could go on forever and we don't want that. 00:32:39.520 --> 00:32:41.440 Mario: As you should, you should. 00:32:43.565 --> 00:32:44.045 Alan: It's hard though. 00:32:44.075 --> 00:32:44.585 It really is. 00:32:44.585 --> 00:32:47.453 It really is hard to make that like, like cutoff in your mind. 00:32:47.453 --> 00:32:47.663 Right. 00:32:47.783 --> 00:32:52.223 It's I mean, the, in the same way that it's difficult to go from marketing to 00:32:52.223 --> 00:32:55.832 engineering and, you know, I think it's again, it's a similar kind of going 00:32:55.832 --> 00:32:57.542 from front-end to backend is no longer. 00:32:57.601 --> 00:32:58.791 Doesn't bug me anymore. 00:32:58.791 --> 00:33:03.321 I mean, that used to be like more difficult to switch between. 00:33:03.321 --> 00:33:03.591 Right. 00:33:03.677 --> 00:33:05.597 I don't really feel that anymore. 00:33:05.597 --> 00:33:05.777 Now. 00:33:05.807 --> 00:33:06.827 That's the same thing. 00:33:06.857 --> 00:33:07.277 That's kind of. 00:33:08.207 --> 00:33:09.437 Engineering the product. 00:33:09.437 --> 00:33:09.644 Right. 00:33:09.714 --> 00:33:13.914 Whereas now the, I guess, as the scope of what you're doing, your, 00:33:13.944 --> 00:33:19.764 your job role grows, there's only so many divisions you can make. 00:33:19.764 --> 00:33:20.004 Right. 00:33:20.304 --> 00:33:23.456 So I guess those are just merged into just engineering. 00:33:23.486 --> 00:33:24.996 That's just writing code now. 00:33:25.040 --> 00:33:28.357 And yeah, it's definitely a challenging step. 00:33:29.192 --> 00:33:30.222 Mario: Yeah, yeah. 00:33:30.264 --> 00:33:32.094 The fun of building software. 00:33:32.809 --> 00:33:36.799 Alan: It's yeah, it's, it's exhausting at times, but 00:33:38.849 --> 00:33:39.179 Mario: Yeah, but 00:33:39.179 --> 00:33:40.349 it's super rewarding too. 00:33:40.349 --> 00:33:40.949 I love it. 00:33:41.059 --> 00:33:41.389 Alan: oh, wait. 00:33:42.029 --> 00:33:43.289 Mario: could complain, but I love it. 00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:43.409 I 00:33:43.459 --> 00:33:43.999 Alan: I mean, this 00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:44.729 Mario: end of the day, 00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:48.313 Alan: this is, the, I was kind of you know, doing the well, you know, what if 00:33:48.408 --> 00:33:51.318 Kind of extrapolation in your mind or, you know, what, what did you do if you 00:33:51.318 --> 00:33:57.168 did suddenly have an influx of users and or money, what would, what would you do? 00:33:57.168 --> 00:34:00.798 Or even if you had some kind of an exit, you know, that was potentially possible. 00:34:02.358 --> 00:34:03.018 And what would you do? 00:34:03.018 --> 00:34:05.058 And I'm like, I'd probably do the same thing again, right. 00:34:05.718 --> 00:34:08.658 Probably just to keep on doing this are very boring. 00:34:08.737 --> 00:34:14.137 And it's like, I, I can't actually think of anything that I'd rather, okay. 00:34:14.137 --> 00:34:17.587 I'd rather just be, you know, playing video games or something in, in theory. 00:34:17.587 --> 00:34:21.427 But I know I wouldn't want to, I know that I'd get incredibly bored very 00:34:21.427 --> 00:34:26.527 quickly and building products that solve and make things better and make people 00:34:26.601 --> 00:34:27.801 Mario: people's lives easier. 00:34:27.946 --> 00:34:28.246 Alan: easier. 00:34:28.246 --> 00:34:28.546 Yeah. 00:34:28.696 --> 00:34:30.346 I really enjoy doing that. 00:34:30.376 --> 00:34:33.863 And and I think this is why also I'm not a there was a Twitter 00:34:34.073 --> 00:34:35.987 thing this week, last week. 00:34:35.995 --> 00:34:40.348 Somebody saying, you know, that the definition or the, the Division 00:34:40.378 --> 00:34:43.648 between like front-end and back-end is kind of the wrong division. 00:34:43.648 --> 00:34:43.858 Right. 00:34:43.858 --> 00:34:47.502 You know, it's, it's more division between a more realistic division 00:34:47.566 --> 00:34:52.829 separation is between product engineering and infrastructure engineering. 00:34:53.309 --> 00:34:58.919 And I kind of feel that it I'm a hundred percent. 00:34:58.983 --> 00:35:00.065 Product engineer, right? 00:35:00.245 --> 00:35:05.255 That what I, the, how I use my tools, the tools I use, the, 00:35:05.395 --> 00:35:07.295 the, the deployment services. 00:35:07.295 --> 00:35:09.480 I use that how everything is built. 00:35:09.900 --> 00:35:11.760 Like the CIU is all this. 00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:14.940 I really don't care so much about that, as long as it works 00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:16.660 well, and I know how to use it. 00:35:16.660 --> 00:35:21.966 But making those product decisions and trying to think through the whole. 00:35:22.926 --> 00:35:27.576 Works and how it can work in someone's life is, is really 00:35:27.906 --> 00:35:29.076 the enjoyable bit for me. 00:35:29.123 --> 00:35:31.515 Writing the code is the making that happen. 00:35:31.545 --> 00:35:33.855 And it's really nice to be able to do both. 00:35:33.970 --> 00:35:39.030 But I don't feel so, so really that excited about the, the 00:35:39.110 --> 00:35:40.330 infrastructure side of things. 00:35:41.770 --> 00:35:43.750 Mario: Yeah, I think I feel the same way. 00:35:45.070 --> 00:35:45.520 Yeah. 00:35:45.670 --> 00:35:47.794 It's yeah, I couldn't have said it better. 00:35:50.194 --> 00:35:51.454 Alan: I just enjoy building products. 00:35:51.904 --> 00:35:55.774 And again, this is probably why I would find it very difficult to fit 00:35:55.774 --> 00:36:02.524 within a, you know, one of the FANG companies is you almost can't do this. 00:36:03.284 --> 00:36:04.144 Extended roll. 00:36:04.144 --> 00:36:04.444 Right. 00:36:04.549 --> 00:36:05.539 Or at least not easily. 00:36:05.640 --> 00:36:10.200 You know, you, you would be an engineer and, and your, the scope 00:36:10.200 --> 00:36:11.910 of your role would be very tight. 00:36:11.954 --> 00:36:15.745 And I could just get really fidgety and antsy when that happens. 00:36:17.350 --> 00:36:17.950 Mario: Yeah. 00:36:18.595 --> 00:36:21.295 Alan: I mean, this is why, you know, it's, I guess I've tended towards 00:36:21.295 --> 00:36:26.104 startups for the last, I don't know what 12, 14 years probably longer. 00:36:26.171 --> 00:36:30.753 It's just because it is feasible and it's possible to do, to be 00:36:30.753 --> 00:36:33.033 involved in, in all, on all things. 00:36:33.033 --> 00:36:33.333 Right. 00:36:33.355 --> 00:36:38.575 You're not just a an engineer that happens to be in this very niche kind of area. 00:36:38.649 --> 00:36:41.587 And it's I dunno, I don't think I'd do very well. 00:36:43.892 --> 00:36:48.712 You know, you see the, the, well, you see the salaries and you see the, you know, 00:36:48.952 --> 00:36:53.782 the nice offices and the, you know, and, and it would be super interesting to work 00:36:53.782 --> 00:36:55.762 on some of these massive scale projects. 00:36:55.774 --> 00:36:58.248 But I know I probably wouldn't fit me very well. 00:36:59.193 --> 00:36:59.583 Mario: Yeah. 00:36:59.613 --> 00:37:00.303 same here. 00:37:00.303 --> 00:37:01.893 I mean, it would be interesting. 00:37:01.955 --> 00:37:03.933 But I don't know. 00:37:03.933 --> 00:37:08.483 I just think it's way more I don't know if it's way more interesting. 00:37:08.543 --> 00:37:09.293 How to put this. 00:37:09.366 --> 00:37:13.326 I, I think those, that would be pretty interesting to work in some, 00:37:13.536 --> 00:37:17.655 you know, a huge project that affects you know millions of people and, 00:37:18.195 --> 00:37:24.751 and, and your work is, is you know, it, your work touches so many lives, 00:37:24.856 --> 00:37:25.186 Alan: mean, yeah. 00:37:25.216 --> 00:37:29.146 Can you imagine working on like, you know, Facebook or Instagram or something, 00:37:29.146 --> 00:37:32.686 knowing that there's, you know, a billion people using these things, 00:37:32.686 --> 00:37:34.276 it's kind of crazy to think, right? 00:37:34.596 --> 00:37:35.136 Mario: Yeah. 00:37:35.166 --> 00:37:39.876 Yeah, but at the same, it is cool, But at the same time, if you're in 00:37:39.876 --> 00:37:44.916 that environment, in that context, then your work is there's more going 00:37:44.916 --> 00:37:48.350 on you know, behind the scenes and there's there's some, there are 00:37:48.500 --> 00:37:50.900 other agendas happening, right. 00:37:50.900 --> 00:37:51.218 but. 00:37:51.218 --> 00:37:53.180 That these huge companies are. 00:37:54.015 --> 00:37:54.705 Following. 00:37:55.155 --> 00:38:00.555 And so your work is engulfed in that, and, and, and it, it has 00:38:00.602 --> 00:38:06.183 another, a secondary effect that you probably don't even intend to have. 00:38:06.213 --> 00:38:09.523 So, you know, I had a, wouldn't want to be. 00:38:09.553 --> 00:38:17.753 in that situation that I'd rather, you know, work in a small, you know, calm, 00:38:18.563 --> 00:38:22.493 a slow growth company of my own, Right. 00:38:22.553 --> 00:38:29.142 That that has ma you know, for sure a lot less of an impact, but Hey, as 00:38:29.142 --> 00:38:34.077 long as you can make a positive impact in someone's life it does, it doesn't 00:38:34.077 --> 00:38:36.507 have to be millions around the world. 00:38:36.687 --> 00:38:36.957 Alan: Right. 00:38:37.137 --> 00:38:42.299 I mean yeah, I mean, it it's, it's th the, the scale and the scope is less 00:38:42.299 --> 00:38:43.679 important to me than the quality. 00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:43.979 Right. 00:38:44.029 --> 00:38:44.449 Mario: Yup. 00:38:45.074 --> 00:38:46.634 Alan: for me and for my customers, 00:38:48.259 --> 00:38:48.739 Mario: Yup. 00:38:48.889 --> 00:38:49.279 Yup. 00:38:49.604 --> 00:38:50.174 Alan: is important. 00:38:50.899 --> 00:38:51.529 Mario: That's it. 00:38:51.739 --> 00:38:52.759 That's it right there. 00:38:53.309 --> 00:38:58.519 Alan: it's but it's sometimes it's I think also the, I mean, this, the 00:38:58.539 --> 00:39:03.689 whole startup culture is I sometimes feel that even though I've been with 00:39:03.689 --> 00:39:08.129 it since the beginning, you know, at the end, even before, before it, right. 00:39:08.129 --> 00:39:12.276 You know, my first web product I sold in what, 2002 and I guess, 00:39:12.276 --> 00:39:14.406 no, it's not value web two dot. 00:39:14.406 --> 00:39:14.796 Oh, right. 00:39:14.796 --> 00:39:20.658 You know, And it, but it feels so alien to me to kind of read about 00:39:20.718 --> 00:39:22.488 what startups are considered. 00:39:23.658 --> 00:39:25.878 And it's like, are these, even though you talking about the 00:39:25.878 --> 00:39:27.138 same thing is kind of weird. 00:39:27.768 --> 00:39:28.278 Mario: Yeah. 00:39:28.458 --> 00:39:28.908 Yeah, 00:39:29.563 --> 00:39:32.863 Alan: But so just, you know, forge your own path, work out what works for you. 00:39:32.863 --> 00:39:37.175 And it's it, as I said, I'd probably just be doing the same thing, even 00:39:37.175 --> 00:39:41.795 if you know, that plan was bringing in lots and lots of money, which is 00:39:42.305 --> 00:39:46.018 it's, it's kind of I don't wanna say refreshing it's it's like a release to 00:39:46.018 --> 00:39:48.378 know that, oh, well the whole, and this is what I should be doing anything. 00:39:48.378 --> 00:39:48.598 Right. 00:39:49.253 --> 00:39:49.793 Mario: Yeah. 00:39:50.063 --> 00:39:51.263 Yeah, totally. 00:39:52.038 --> 00:39:52.758 Alan: in some ways. 00:39:53.663 --> 00:39:54.083 Mario: Yeah. 00:39:54.893 --> 00:39:55.283 Yeah. 00:39:56.808 --> 00:39:57.228 Alan: Cool. 00:39:57.383 --> 00:39:57.743 Mario: right. 00:39:58.103 --> 00:39:58.373 So, 00:39:58.638 --> 00:40:00.918 Alan: the, how's your editing going by the way, next episode. 00:40:01.223 --> 00:40:02.093 Mario: Oh, yes. 00:40:02.156 --> 00:40:06.236 When it's talk about that I, I edit I'm editing the next 00:40:06.266 --> 00:40:07.766 episode and I had a weird. 00:40:07.766 --> 00:40:12.686 issue with garage band where one day I was editing and everything was fine. 00:40:13.106 --> 00:40:17.306 And then I stopped for the day and the following day I came back to it. 00:40:17.409 --> 00:40:21.879 I left it open, so, you know, it was in the background and I came back to it. 00:40:21.939 --> 00:40:23.952 And now there's no audio. 00:40:23.952 --> 00:40:24.492 Everything is. 00:40:25.807 --> 00:40:31.297 And every, Yeah, And the waves are there of all the audio from all the tracks. 00:40:31.957 --> 00:40:36.337 But when I try to play it and preview it, I can't hear anything. 00:40:36.337 --> 00:40:37.417 There's nothing. 00:40:37.417 --> 00:40:41.497 And I don't know what it's doing, so I need to figure that out. 00:40:41.497 --> 00:40:44.007 I don't know if it's my computer or yeah. 00:40:44.017 --> 00:40:45.247 I've played with all. 00:40:45.337 --> 00:40:45.637 Yeah. 00:40:45.637 --> 00:40:50.045 I played with settings and you know, all the settings within garage, banner. 00:40:50.045 --> 00:40:50.915 I mean, I didn't to change 00:40:51.050 --> 00:40:52.750 Alan: Yeah, just like it's gone. 00:40:52.830 --> 00:40:53.310 There's no audio. 00:40:53.310 --> 00:40:53.450 water. 00:40:53.615 --> 00:40:53.885 Mario: Yeah. 00:40:53.915 --> 00:40:58.535 I just, you know, I left my computer, came back the next day 00:40:58.715 --> 00:41:01.595 and weird, you know, no, no audio. 00:41:02.435 --> 00:41:03.215 So I don't know. 00:41:03.215 --> 00:41:04.415 I'll have to figure that out. 00:41:04.445 --> 00:41:09.748 But other than that, yeah, just hopefully I'll get it to, 00:41:09.772 --> 00:41:14.861 Alan: Like expo, you can download like a trial of logic pro which imports 00:41:14.891 --> 00:41:16.941 GarageBand may be worth late doing that. 00:41:16.941 --> 00:41:19.781 The, I think it's a 14 or 30 day trial of logic. 00:41:20.081 --> 00:41:21.821 Just seeing if that yeah. 00:41:21.851 --> 00:41:24.251 Cause that's, Apple's basically pro GarageBand. 00:41:24.251 --> 00:41:24.444 Right? 00:41:24.484 --> 00:41:28.144 So it might be worth seeing if it loads in that all send it to 00:41:28.144 --> 00:41:29.734 me and see if it loads on mine. 00:41:30.154 --> 00:41:33.474 It may just be some weird thing crank. 00:41:34.269 --> 00:41:34.629 Mario: yeah. 00:41:35.224 --> 00:41:36.034 Alan: I've never heard of that, 00:41:36.789 --> 00:41:37.929 Mario: yeah, yeah, 00:41:38.524 --> 00:41:40.384 Alan: especially if you can see the wave forms, there's like the 00:41:40.384 --> 00:41:41.554 there, but I can't hear them. 00:41:42.304 --> 00:41:42.784 Mario: Yeah. 00:41:42.874 --> 00:41:43.354 Yeah. 00:41:43.410 --> 00:41:46.080 I got to try it again after I restarted my computer. 00:41:46.080 --> 00:41:49.890 I didn't, I mean, I've restarted my computer since then and 00:41:49.890 --> 00:41:50.940 I haven't tried it again. 00:41:50.940 --> 00:41:53.880 So maybe, maybe it'll clear up on its own. 00:41:54.570 --> 00:41:55.050 Yeah. 00:41:55.140 --> 00:41:55.590 Yeah. 00:41:56.130 --> 00:41:57.030 Alan: How was the editing going for? 00:41:57.030 --> 00:41:57.900 That was, it was getting there. 00:41:58.010 --> 00:41:58.980 It was going 00:41:59.020 --> 00:42:01.000 Mario: yeah, it, yeah, it's going okay. 00:42:01.088 --> 00:42:01.448 It's still. 00:42:01.513 --> 00:42:02.293 Alan: than you expected. 00:42:04.158 --> 00:42:07.518 Mario: No, I still quite a, quite a bit of editing that needs to be done, 00:42:07.518 --> 00:42:12.836 but I think as we progress and keep recording, it's getting a little better. 00:42:12.836 --> 00:42:18.369 So hopefully it'll take less time as we move forward, 00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:19.319 Alan: So 00:42:19.319 --> 00:42:20.999 his, so here's 00:42:20.999 --> 00:42:22.648 something I was kind of thinking about. 00:42:22.678 --> 00:42:29.372 So I attended a, a online webinar of A few days ago for it was organized 00:42:29.372 --> 00:42:34.592 by the Sheba startup center, which is Tokyo, same way that Fukuoka the city 00:42:34.592 --> 00:42:36.811 has like a startup advisory thing. 00:42:36.901 --> 00:42:38.371 Sheba has only Tokyo. 00:42:38.851 --> 00:42:41.585 So they had a this thing about accelerator. 00:42:42.925 --> 00:42:48.221 Systems that are in active in Japan for English speaking founders. 00:42:49.076 --> 00:42:49.766 Mario: Oh, cool. 00:42:49.991 --> 00:42:53.951 Alan: and so one of them is actually organized by 500 startups. 00:42:54.021 --> 00:42:57.920 And the other two are more locally based smaller, well, one of them, 00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:01.730 small diesel ones, not small at all, but it's, it's local to Asia. 00:43:01.730 --> 00:43:04.160 It's I think it's started around here somewhere. 00:43:04.980 --> 00:43:05.170 Mario: Okay. 00:43:05.409 --> 00:43:09.609 Alan: So they're all, you know, free to apply that the, the program is free. 00:43:09.612 --> 00:43:13.649 But obviously their goal and the like the third phase of all of their 00:43:13.649 --> 00:43:16.949 program, so that they all have like a three or four month program, you 00:43:16.949 --> 00:43:20.774 know, Th that are all virtual at the moment, which is kind of nice. 00:43:20.789 --> 00:43:23.843 But they all have you know, there's a few hours a week that are basically, 00:43:24.233 --> 00:43:27.440 you know, lessons, courses, ment, and then there's mentors and all the rest. 00:43:27.498 --> 00:43:30.108 And so they're all like super interesting just because the topics 00:43:30.108 --> 00:43:33.108 they cover are super relevant to this. 00:43:33.138 --> 00:43:33.408 Right. 00:43:33.408 --> 00:43:34.158 You know what we're doing? 00:43:34.398 --> 00:43:37.068 And they're all like, you know, early stage, you know, just, you 00:43:37.068 --> 00:43:41.148 know, around this half an MVP or have a product and all the rest. 00:43:41.568 --> 00:43:43.228 And I'm like, okay, I don't. 00:43:44.853 --> 00:43:48.843 All of them have this goal, which at the end of it is, and then you 00:43:48.843 --> 00:43:50.433 can, we'll help you get funding. 00:43:50.463 --> 00:43:55.863 And I'm like, well, I don't want to do, but I'm very interested 00:43:55.863 --> 00:43:57.063 in all the previous stuff. 00:43:57.273 --> 00:44:02.583 So I'm like, is it unethical to actually apply and do these things, but then be 00:44:02.583 --> 00:44:06.933 like, I don't really so interested in it because I mean, that's their goal. 00:44:06.933 --> 00:44:08.643 That's how they make money. 00:44:08.643 --> 00:44:08.913 Right. 00:44:08.913 --> 00:44:12.063 As an accelerator is that their goal is to get you to. 00:44:13.668 --> 00:44:17.178 Participate in a funding round and they can, you know, obviously 00:44:17.178 --> 00:44:20.298 that that's their, their goal and probably how they operate. 00:44:20.345 --> 00:44:24.095 But I'm like, it sounds super useful, but that's not my goal. 00:44:25.060 --> 00:44:25.630 Mario: Yeah. 00:44:25.905 --> 00:44:26.975 Alan: I'm like, Hmm. 00:44:28.234 --> 00:44:30.874 Mario: you're interested in the in, in the interaction, 00:44:30.934 --> 00:44:32.714 the networking, the connections 00:44:32.714 --> 00:44:35.139 Alan: the community, the connections, the mentorship, the, 00:44:35.469 --> 00:44:37.629 the whole network is invaluable. 00:44:37.629 --> 00:44:37.959 Right. 00:44:37.989 --> 00:44:41.589 But obviously the, the third phase or the last phase is always like, 00:44:41.589 --> 00:44:45.025 and then we help you hone your pitch which is, that's not bad. 00:44:45.055 --> 00:44:45.725 That's helpful. 00:44:45.725 --> 00:44:51.476 And then, you know, we'll set up a demo day and I'm like, yeah, For investors. 00:44:51.476 --> 00:44:52.796 And I'm like, man, that really 00:44:52.796 --> 00:44:53.756 is just supposed to, by that. 00:44:53.783 --> 00:44:54.893 Mario: Yeah, for sure. 00:44:55.863 --> 00:44:56.363 All right, Alan. 00:44:56.603 --> 00:44:57.643 Again, as always. 00:44:57.643 --> 00:44:59.066 I'll see you in a couple of weeks. 00:44:59.066 --> 00:44:59.306 Alan: Nice. 00:44:59.516 --> 00:45:00.086 Okay. 00:45:00.176 --> 00:45:01.166 I'll catch you in two weeks.