1 00:00:04,110 --> 00:00:04,920 I am Adam Manis. 2 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:05,760 And I'm Peter Martin. 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:09,780 And you're listening to the You'll Hear It Podcast, music explored, explored, 4 00:00:09,780 --> 00:00:11,430 brought to you today by Open Studio. 5 00:00:11,430 --> 00:00:17,250 Go to open studio jazz.com for all your jazz lesson needs. 6 00:00:17,255 --> 00:00:17,315 Peter? 7 00:00:17,375 --> 00:00:17,595 Yes. 8 00:00:18,365 --> 00:00:25,445 We've wrapped up If I do so myself, another incredible, maybe the most 9 00:00:25,445 --> 00:00:27,845 incredible season of the here podcast. 10 00:00:27,845 --> 00:00:30,005 Honestly, it was a real blast this year. 11 00:00:30,065 --> 00:00:33,275 It was thinking all these episodes for you all listening to all this great music. 12 00:00:33,275 --> 00:00:34,420 Think about the music you listen to. 13 00:00:34,420 --> 00:00:34,660 Oh man. 14 00:00:34,660 --> 00:00:36,035 It started with Steely Dan's Asia. 15 00:00:36,215 --> 00:00:36,545 That's right. 16 00:00:36,545 --> 00:00:37,625 That's where we started. 17 00:00:37,625 --> 00:00:38,765 The year we started last year. 18 00:00:38,825 --> 00:00:42,725 We set the, we started on the mountaintop and looked out over the valleys 19 00:00:42,725 --> 00:00:43,595 and the other mountains and said. 20 00:00:43,855 --> 00:00:46,194 Gosh, we're gonna go climb some other mountains, my friends, man. 21 00:00:46,194 --> 00:00:47,364 So many highlights. 22 00:00:47,425 --> 00:00:47,635 Yep. 23 00:00:47,694 --> 00:00:48,444 A few low lights. 24 00:00:48,444 --> 00:00:49,794 Well, yeah, but not that many. 25 00:00:49,855 --> 00:00:50,455 We're not gonna name 'em. 26 00:00:50,515 --> 00:00:54,205 Um, but we thought that, you know, with, uh, putting on a a, a button on the 27 00:00:54,205 --> 00:00:57,535 end of this year that Yeah, instead of talking about some music that we would 28 00:00:57,535 --> 00:01:00,324 talk a little bit about New Year, new you. 29 00:01:01,164 --> 00:01:01,405 Ooh. 30 00:01:01,410 --> 00:01:01,620 And. 31 00:01:02,370 --> 00:01:03,450 The antidote to that? 32 00:01:03,690 --> 00:01:03,990 Yep. 33 00:01:03,990 --> 00:01:05,190 To the optimization. 34 00:01:05,194 --> 00:01:05,700 Old or old you. 35 00:01:05,940 --> 00:01:06,630 That would be the antidote. 36 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,240 Technically that's me every day. 37 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:10,440 Uh, no. 38 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,120 I thought we could talk about something. 39 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,580 We hint at a lot around here at the the You'll Hear It podcast and 40 00:01:14,580 --> 00:01:16,895 something we address directly at Open Studio all the time, which is the. 41 00:01:17,150 --> 00:01:18,620 Living a musical life. 42 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:19,430 I'm glad you said that. 43 00:01:19,430 --> 00:01:21,050 Wait, let me look at my agenda. 44 00:01:21,140 --> 00:01:22,250 I do have an agenda here. 45 00:01:22,250 --> 00:01:23,030 And what does it say? 46 00:01:23,060 --> 00:01:24,860 He's a how to live a musical life. 47 00:01:24,860 --> 00:01:26,150 Are you a sound effects artist? 48 00:01:26,155 --> 00:01:26,235 No. 49 00:01:26,235 --> 00:01:26,555 That's right. 50 00:01:26,555 --> 00:01:27,195 That's amazing. 51 00:01:27,345 --> 00:01:29,090 Well, no, I was gonna say we have no agenda, but we have 52 00:01:29,090 --> 00:01:30,140 a little bit of an agenda. 53 00:01:30,140 --> 00:01:33,020 But if we do have one, it's about, yeah, how can we. 54 00:01:33,645 --> 00:01:37,965 For selfish reasons ourselves, continue to live, enhance living a musical life. 55 00:01:37,965 --> 00:01:41,475 But mainly just talk with you guys and the community, the, the wonderful 56 00:01:41,475 --> 00:01:45,255 you'll hear at community that's developed about what that means, 57 00:01:45,285 --> 00:01:46,755 you know, living a musical life. 58 00:01:47,145 --> 00:01:48,735 Uh, because every time I hear it. 59 00:01:48,900 --> 00:01:51,900 Uh, it just puts a smile on my face and I start hearing beautiful 60 00:01:51,900 --> 00:01:53,460 music of, of different kinds. 61 00:01:53,460 --> 00:01:55,260 You know, that's the point of it kind of yes. 62 00:01:55,260 --> 00:01:59,280 You know, is to like, the point of living a musical life is to sort of get out 63 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:05,340 of the mindset of I have to set goals and achieve them all the time, right? 64 00:02:05,370 --> 00:02:06,780 There's nothing wrong with setting goals. 65 00:02:06,780 --> 00:02:11,340 In fact, very useful tool, but so often in today's like 66 00:02:11,340 --> 00:02:13,260 modern social media landscaped. 67 00:02:13,905 --> 00:02:18,225 We're, we're constantly pitted against other people and comparing ourselves. 68 00:02:18,255 --> 00:02:18,464 Yeah. 69 00:02:18,584 --> 00:02:24,704 And to their ridiculous, often fake, uh, daily routines that they'll 70 00:02:24,704 --> 00:02:28,905 post of like, waking up at 4:00 AM and then you say a mantra for an 71 00:02:28,905 --> 00:02:30,375 hour with your wife on a treadmill. 72 00:02:30,375 --> 00:02:30,975 You know what I'm saying? 73 00:02:30,975 --> 00:02:32,924 These kind of people, oh, when I wake up at 4:00 AM you should 74 00:02:32,924 --> 00:02:33,885 hear what I say to my wife. 75 00:02:33,885 --> 00:02:35,924 It's not, it's not a mantra and it's not very positive. 76 00:02:36,464 --> 00:02:37,364 I can tell you that right now. 77 00:02:37,424 --> 00:02:40,665 But no, you know, I got stoics telling me to walk down the street without a coat. 78 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,080 In the winter, which is cool that that works. 79 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:43,530 That does work. 80 00:02:43,705 --> 00:02:48,090 But, but here's what I'm saying is like, yes, setting goals and having, 81 00:02:48,150 --> 00:02:49,530 having goals is super important. 82 00:02:49,530 --> 00:02:53,670 And understanding how to, to work a, a checklist and set up 83 00:02:53,670 --> 00:02:56,370 a routine is good and important. 84 00:02:56,370 --> 00:03:00,780 But also the best musicians, the best artists that I know. 85 00:03:01,110 --> 00:03:04,050 And, and just speaking to artists, but really to people in general 86 00:03:04,050 --> 00:03:07,320 is like, like if you're, if, if I know someone who's a really great. 87 00:03:08,595 --> 00:03:11,415 Musician, it's not because they're really good at making a 88 00:03:11,415 --> 00:03:13,215 checklist and then checking it off. 89 00:03:13,275 --> 00:03:18,375 Mm. It's because they've committed their life to including music and their 90 00:03:18,375 --> 00:03:22,065 art right into damn near every aspect. 91 00:03:22,065 --> 00:03:25,965 I mean, I know people who are really talented runners like yours included. 92 00:03:26,145 --> 00:03:27,585 Well hopefully know some better ones, but yeah. 93 00:03:27,585 --> 00:03:27,765 Thank you. 94 00:03:27,765 --> 00:03:31,110 But I, and I know you have, you know, workouts and you, you've had 95 00:03:31,110 --> 00:03:33,735 coaches at various stages and, but. 96 00:03:34,620 --> 00:03:38,460 It's more like running is more than just that your, your Strava account to you. 97 00:03:38,460 --> 00:03:38,710 Right, right. 98 00:03:38,710 --> 00:03:42,090 It's like a, it's like a, a philosophical, almost, dare I 99 00:03:42,090 --> 00:03:43,650 say, spiritual part of your life. 100 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:43,920 Yeah. 101 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:49,350 And I, that to me stands out as what I wanna talk about is like, I think 102 00:03:49,350 --> 00:03:56,005 we get too inundated and we get too, uh, uh, self-imposed, uh, with like. 103 00:03:56,615 --> 00:04:01,235 Improvement, optimization, hacking, you know, goal setting, 104 00:04:01,265 --> 00:04:03,425 all of it can be very useful. 105 00:04:03,485 --> 00:04:03,695 Yeah. 106 00:04:03,725 --> 00:04:05,345 But with a little bit of perspective. 107 00:04:05,345 --> 00:04:12,065 More importantly, it's setting up your life to include the 108 00:04:12,065 --> 00:04:13,085 things that you love in it. 109 00:04:13,235 --> 00:04:16,115 Mm. And that first, the first step of that, um, in this journey for me, 110 00:04:16,115 --> 00:04:17,555 and maybe we can start here, is like. 111 00:04:18,555 --> 00:04:21,584 Determining what it is you love determining what it is Yeah. 112 00:04:21,584 --> 00:04:22,695 You want in your life. 113 00:04:22,755 --> 00:04:22,875 Yeah. 114 00:04:22,875 --> 00:04:23,985 A lot of people don't even know. 115 00:04:24,345 --> 00:04:24,825 That's right. 116 00:04:24,825 --> 00:04:25,305 That's right. 117 00:04:25,305 --> 00:04:29,925 And I think, um, this may be, you know, hearing you describe it, it 118 00:04:29,925 --> 00:04:34,965 like that gets me thinking that living a musical life and getting to know 119 00:04:34,965 --> 00:04:40,245 what it is that you love and enjoy is an area where I think we can be. 120 00:04:40,950 --> 00:04:44,969 A little bit selfish about the nourishment that we have from music. 121 00:04:45,300 --> 00:04:45,900 Hundred percent. 122 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:46,200 Yeah. 123 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,500 And that's a good thing because I think as musicians and, and no matter 124 00:04:49,500 --> 00:04:54,810 what it is we do professionally in this world, um, but certainly I think 125 00:04:54,810 --> 00:04:57,780 musicians or like what we do, what we're trying to do here with the 126 00:04:57,780 --> 00:05:00,125 podcast is very service oriented, right? 127 00:05:00,385 --> 00:05:03,780 So like we're trying to, you know, share music, share different 128 00:05:03,780 --> 00:05:06,240 outlets, uh, different outlooks. 129 00:05:06,575 --> 00:05:10,445 On music, ways to enjoy it, different angles to view it. 130 00:05:10,685 --> 00:05:13,055 You know, maybe another prism we're turning a little bit. 131 00:05:13,385 --> 00:05:17,015 And mainly just to sort of, you know, commune and, and commiserate with each 132 00:05:17,015 --> 00:05:21,395 other, with the listeners, uh, and share in these, these glorious recorded. 133 00:05:21,835 --> 00:05:24,535 You know, cultural artifacts that we have. 134 00:05:24,865 --> 00:05:27,865 And so like, there's a lot of service to what we do and, and I 135 00:05:27,865 --> 00:05:31,285 look at myself as a musician as basically being a server, right? 136 00:05:31,285 --> 00:05:33,355 Like I'm kind of put here to sit at the piano. 137 00:05:33,355 --> 00:05:36,745 I have a skill and that, but that's not to just make me feel good. 138 00:05:36,745 --> 00:05:38,185 In fact, that's not even the primary. 139 00:05:38,595 --> 00:05:39,525 Reason for it. 140 00:05:39,525 --> 00:05:42,675 It's to make, to uplift other people's lives, to give them 141 00:05:42,675 --> 00:05:44,535 some, some nourishment, right? 142 00:05:44,535 --> 00:05:44,625 Mm-hmm. 143 00:05:44,895 --> 00:05:50,895 To give them some selfish satisfaction in, in listening to something that they enjoy. 144 00:05:50,895 --> 00:05:55,215 Just like if you go to a, a, a great chef, you know, they're, they're serving fruit. 145 00:05:55,215 --> 00:05:56,535 You can go, you can make your own food. 146 00:05:56,535 --> 00:05:57,885 And a lot of times that's what we're doing. 147 00:05:57,975 --> 00:05:58,125 Yeah. 148 00:05:58,155 --> 00:06:01,185 But you're going to someone to serve you food, to get you to look at the 149 00:06:01,185 --> 00:06:04,845 world in a different way, to be a more positive, you know, to have this network 150 00:06:05,055 --> 00:06:07,365 effective positivity so that we can maybe. 151 00:06:07,780 --> 00:06:11,169 You know, counteract some of that adversarial algorithm that 152 00:06:11,169 --> 00:06:12,400 you mentioned on social media. 153 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:16,030 And so I think when we are in the service industry, it's okay to look 154 00:06:16,030 --> 00:06:20,169 at the other side of the musical life as a sort of a selfish thing, right? 155 00:06:20,169 --> 00:06:20,469 For sure. 156 00:06:20,590 --> 00:06:24,159 You know, in that we are consuming, being entertained. 157 00:06:24,605 --> 00:06:28,865 Um, with music and, and, but, but how do we go deeper and 158 00:06:28,865 --> 00:06:30,365 connect that with our playing? 159 00:06:30,365 --> 00:06:32,765 Or maybe we're not players and we never wanna play an instrument, 160 00:06:32,915 --> 00:06:36,605 but connect that with how we look at the world, how we interpret 161 00:06:36,605 --> 00:06:38,855 lyrics, how we interpret harmony. 162 00:06:39,005 --> 00:06:42,065 Like when we talk about harmony in music, how do we, how do we bridge 163 00:06:42,065 --> 00:06:44,195 that with harmony of human beings? 164 00:06:44,195 --> 00:06:44,585 That's great. 165 00:06:44,585 --> 00:06:44,855 Oh boy. 166 00:06:44,855 --> 00:06:47,645 Did I just jump onto another mountaintop that I can't quite climb to, I 167 00:06:47,645 --> 00:06:48,995 don't know, harmony of human beings? 168 00:06:48,995 --> 00:06:50,915 We've got a new thing to shoot for here. 169 00:06:51,155 --> 00:06:53,645 Well, let's, let's maybe start with just a couple, like, let's. 170 00:06:53,705 --> 00:06:54,664 Define a little bit. 171 00:06:55,115 --> 00:06:59,885 Uh, get, get down a little bit into the, to the granular bits of like what we mean 172 00:06:59,885 --> 00:07:01,565 when we talk about living a musical life. 173 00:07:01,565 --> 00:07:01,655 Mm-hmm. 174 00:07:01,655 --> 00:07:07,115 Like the first principle I think of and, and what prompted us to start 175 00:07:07,175 --> 00:07:13,115 using that term is the sentence, there is no finish line to this. 176 00:07:13,534 --> 00:07:13,835 Right. 177 00:07:13,835 --> 00:07:15,395 So I think a lot of people. 178 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:22,560 I know me personally, have felt at various times in my life that I need to be able to 179 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:27,450 do this by this point, or if I work hard for the next eight months, then I'll be 180 00:07:27,900 --> 00:07:29,730 right, then I'll have it transformation. 181 00:07:29,789 --> 00:07:33,930 Uh, it's gonna be a transformation that starts at a and ends at Z and 182 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:37,110 that is not how a lot of life is. 183 00:07:37,110 --> 00:07:39,240 No, that's just not how, and also that's not how any of 184 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:40,890 the artists that I admire are. 185 00:07:40,890 --> 00:07:44,849 Mm. It's, it's, it's a little bit bigger than that, but, but. 186 00:07:45,195 --> 00:07:49,515 Uh, the sentence, there is no finish line to like learning jazz piano, right? 187 00:07:49,965 --> 00:07:53,055 Is a lot, is freeing for a lot of people who think like, oh, 188 00:07:53,055 --> 00:07:54,645 I've gotta achieve something. 189 00:07:55,425 --> 00:07:58,155 Um, because what that means is you already have it now. 190 00:07:58,245 --> 00:08:01,335 Like what you want, you already possess. 191 00:08:01,930 --> 00:08:02,290 Right. 192 00:08:02,380 --> 00:08:06,400 The greatest players in the world have a true sense of like, 193 00:08:06,490 --> 00:08:08,110 I am, I'm giving you something. 194 00:08:08,110 --> 00:08:10,150 This is something I can present to you. 195 00:08:10,150 --> 00:08:12,670 And they're still always working on their craft. 196 00:08:12,670 --> 00:08:12,970 Right. 197 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,520 So like the working on your craft never ends. 198 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:15,610 Mm-hmm. 199 00:08:15,850 --> 00:08:19,330 There's no finish line to it, which may feel at some point, like daunting, 200 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:20,860 but also it's like, no, no, no. 201 00:08:21,190 --> 00:08:22,210 That means that you. 202 00:08:22,784 --> 00:08:26,294 You're not gonna be at a, like, you're not gonna go to sleep one night a, 203 00:08:26,414 --> 00:08:30,104 a beginner jazz pianist and wake up the next day a great jazz pianist. 204 00:08:30,104 --> 00:08:31,094 That's not gonna happen. 205 00:08:31,335 --> 00:08:36,674 It's all you right now, and you have permission to give people something 206 00:08:36,674 --> 00:08:40,664 interesting with what you have, the tools you have right now, and we're 207 00:08:40,664 --> 00:08:42,225 always just working on those tools. 208 00:08:42,230 --> 00:08:42,559 Right, right. 209 00:08:42,645 --> 00:08:44,835 It's this, it's this paradox of. 210 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,020 Of, I already have everything I need to be a great artist. 211 00:08:49,020 --> 00:08:49,290 Right. 212 00:08:49,830 --> 00:08:50,730 That's true of everybody. 213 00:08:50,730 --> 00:08:52,050 It's true of a, of a toddler. 214 00:08:52,350 --> 00:08:55,410 Like you already have everything you need to connect with someone. 215 00:08:55,560 --> 00:08:57,210 Delight them, nourish them. 216 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:58,770 Mm. It's all inside us already. 217 00:08:58,770 --> 00:09:00,270 We're, as a human beings we're. 218 00:09:00,270 --> 00:09:01,020 It's our birthright. 219 00:09:01,020 --> 00:09:01,650 We get that. 220 00:09:01,710 --> 00:09:01,770 Yeah. 221 00:09:01,770 --> 00:09:07,260 When we get born and the rest of the journey is, is spent. 222 00:09:07,815 --> 00:09:10,125 Honing those skills and making them better. 223 00:09:10,155 --> 00:09:14,805 And just because you are, you are not as far along on the skills path, 224 00:09:14,805 --> 00:09:18,465 doesn't mean that you don't deserve to do the other thing at any time. 225 00:09:18,675 --> 00:09:18,975 Right. 226 00:09:19,065 --> 00:09:23,265 And once you realize that you get to make great art whenever you feel like it. 227 00:09:23,385 --> 00:09:23,595 Yeah. 228 00:09:23,685 --> 00:09:26,985 And you're all also get to keep working on those skills. 229 00:09:27,105 --> 00:09:28,575 It also sort of takes the. 230 00:09:29,175 --> 00:09:34,155 The, it, it decouples you as a person from the art that you make. 231 00:09:34,245 --> 00:09:37,455 And so often the living musical life is also a great term of 232 00:09:37,455 --> 00:09:40,035 like, um, it's a musical life. 233 00:09:40,035 --> 00:09:42,340 It's not, it's not you, it's not. 234 00:09:43,245 --> 00:09:46,515 Your value is not wrapped up into what you achieve musically. 235 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:46,660 Right. 236 00:09:46,785 --> 00:09:46,935 Right. 237 00:09:46,935 --> 00:09:50,745 Which a lot of people were taught from a very early age, from some 238 00:09:50,745 --> 00:09:55,305 questionable teachers probably, that they either weren't a musician. 239 00:09:55,395 --> 00:09:55,545 Right. 240 00:09:55,545 --> 00:09:59,925 They didn't have what it took, they weren't, and that their, their value in 241 00:09:59,925 --> 00:10:02,055 music was wrapped up in their skillset. 242 00:10:02,175 --> 00:10:02,985 And I'm here to tell you. 243 00:10:03,219 --> 00:10:04,209 That is not the case. 244 00:10:04,209 --> 00:10:10,060 No, I mean, it's like I, I, I firmly believe, I know that all humans are 245 00:10:10,060 --> 00:10:15,550 musicians, right in, in that all humans have the potential from birth 246 00:10:15,550 --> 00:10:17,980 to be able to connect with music. 247 00:10:18,219 --> 00:10:22,209 Whether that's as a listener, as a musician, as a singer, we're all given 248 00:10:22,209 --> 00:10:24,010 voice just like we're all writers. 249 00:10:24,010 --> 00:10:27,610 Now, if you're, if, if, if you're, if you're not in the privilege. 250 00:10:27,950 --> 00:10:34,010 State of being where you learn how to write with a pencil or learn words 251 00:10:34,010 --> 00:10:35,690 or learn a language or something. 252 00:10:35,900 --> 00:10:40,070 That's something that has to be developed and nourished and, and you know, from 253 00:10:40,070 --> 00:10:41,750 parents or caregivers or whatever. 254 00:10:41,930 --> 00:10:43,370 But I think the potential is there. 255 00:10:43,370 --> 00:10:44,990 We all have that heartbeat. 256 00:10:44,990 --> 00:10:46,160 We all have that. 257 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:51,290 You, you know, that sort of innate internal desire to con, I 258 00:10:51,290 --> 00:10:54,320 mean, it's a powerful force now, does everybody connect with it? 259 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:54,650 No. 260 00:10:55,130 --> 00:10:58,220 And you know, does it become a self-fulfilling prophecy? 261 00:10:58,220 --> 00:10:59,180 Unfortunately, for many. 262 00:10:59,420 --> 00:11:00,140 I'm not musical. 263 00:11:00,140 --> 00:11:01,160 I'm not a dancer. 264 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:01,790 I'm not. 265 00:11:01,820 --> 00:11:03,740 I wanna be all that and I am all that. 266 00:11:03,740 --> 00:11:04,280 You know what I mean? 267 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:04,500 Yeah, yeah. 268 00:11:04,820 --> 00:11:07,130 And, and I think we're all athletes too. 269 00:11:07,220 --> 00:11:08,810 Like, because we all move. 270 00:11:09,170 --> 00:11:09,980 Right movement. 271 00:11:09,980 --> 00:11:13,220 Like it is, it's like the difference between thinking about am am I an 272 00:11:13,220 --> 00:11:17,540 athlete because I move around the world or am I I an athlete because 273 00:11:17,540 --> 00:11:21,800 I can win at a particular sport, you know, or hit a certain time in a run 274 00:11:22,010 --> 00:11:23,660 or jump over a certain, no, no, no. 275 00:11:23,660 --> 00:11:26,150 I mean, now that might make you an Olympic athlete or something. 276 00:11:26,390 --> 00:11:28,760 But an athlete is, is somebody. 277 00:11:28,830 --> 00:11:32,790 A human who connects with the movement of their body 100%. 278 00:11:32,790 --> 00:11:34,170 And revels in that like live. 279 00:11:34,170 --> 00:11:35,850 Live a moving life. 280 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:37,560 It's a live a musical life. 281 00:11:37,560 --> 00:11:37,570 Right. 282 00:11:37,570 --> 00:11:40,920 It's a great analogy because if you're waiting to be a professional tennis 283 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,560 player, if that's what your goal is, yeah. 284 00:11:43,560 --> 00:11:44,550 You are like, okay, I'm going. 285 00:11:44,550 --> 00:11:46,770 Or I'm just gonna be like a top level tennis player. 286 00:11:47,250 --> 00:11:47,490 You know? 287 00:11:47,490 --> 00:11:50,370 When that doesn't happen, you might be like, well, I guess that's it for me. 288 00:11:50,370 --> 00:11:51,000 And movement. 289 00:11:51,030 --> 00:11:51,150 Yeah. 290 00:11:51,150 --> 00:11:51,720 You know what I mean? 291 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:53,670 But it's just like that's not how. 292 00:11:54,300 --> 00:11:56,370 That's not even how professional tennis players are. 293 00:11:56,370 --> 00:11:56,460 Right. 294 00:11:56,460 --> 00:11:56,970 You know what I mean? 295 00:11:56,970 --> 00:11:59,310 It's just tennis is their life and for professional 296 00:11:59,310 --> 00:12:01,170 musicians, music is their life. 297 00:12:01,380 --> 00:12:05,760 That doesn't mean that you have to forego everything else for your particular life. 298 00:12:05,790 --> 00:12:07,680 It could be this balance thing. 299 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:11,760 But I love what you said about everybody is a musician, which is something that 300 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,620 I was, I was kind of hinting at too. 301 00:12:13,830 --> 00:12:15,185 Like it's proven out to me. 302 00:12:15,205 --> 00:12:18,480 If you've ever been to a huge concert at a huge stadium and 303 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,790 heard the crowd sing along, yes. 304 00:12:21,210 --> 00:12:24,480 Or at a sporting event and you hear the crowd singing or 305 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:25,920 chanting something together. 306 00:12:25,980 --> 00:12:28,020 Wasn't that on the, the Prince record that we just did? 307 00:12:28,020 --> 00:12:28,560 Oh my God. 308 00:12:28,560 --> 00:12:31,230 They're all singing in Paris and, and Prince put on the album, 309 00:12:31,230 --> 00:12:35,160 he said, background singers, 6,000 Parisians on this date. 310 00:12:35,220 --> 00:12:38,460 You know, it's the most powerful thing we can do as humans. 311 00:12:38,460 --> 00:12:41,370 And it's connective, it's connective tissue, and everybody can do it. 312 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:47,370 And is everybody in that crowd, you know, uh, uh, Ariana Grande, right? 313 00:12:47,375 --> 00:12:49,530 No, no one can sing like, you know what I mean? 314 00:12:49,530 --> 00:12:49,845 Like right. 315 00:12:51,075 --> 00:12:54,645 But it sounds incredible when we, is that what we went to for our top vocals? 316 00:12:54,730 --> 00:12:54,970 I like that. 317 00:12:54,970 --> 00:12:56,685 I was thinking about, I was just trying to That's good. 318 00:12:56,715 --> 00:12:57,165 I like it. 319 00:12:57,750 --> 00:12:58,290 She can sing. 320 00:12:58,360 --> 00:12:58,680 Yeah, she can sing. 321 00:12:59,115 --> 00:12:59,655 Come on now. 322 00:12:59,685 --> 00:13:02,295 I didn't know we were gonna go there as, as, as, as the, 323 00:13:03,045 --> 00:13:04,365 the, the mono lips of singing. 324 00:13:04,410 --> 00:13:04,965 Arianna, I love you. 325 00:13:04,965 --> 00:13:05,745 Please come on the show. 326 00:13:05,745 --> 00:13:06,495 I think you're amazing. 327 00:13:06,855 --> 00:13:07,785 Um, no, no, no. 328 00:13:07,785 --> 00:13:10,545 But uh, but it's the, it's the comradery. 329 00:13:10,545 --> 00:13:14,385 It's the con, it's the human connection that elevates, like, once 330 00:13:14,385 --> 00:13:17,985 you realize you're part of something bigger, like living a musical life. 331 00:13:18,325 --> 00:13:21,805 I think is very much with connecting as a listener as this. 332 00:13:21,805 --> 00:13:24,055 I mean, I love this idea of the singer because almost 333 00:13:24,055 --> 00:13:25,345 everybody can do that, right? 334 00:13:25,375 --> 00:13:25,570 Yep, yep. 335 00:13:25,795 --> 00:13:28,945 You know, and it's really not about, are you Ariana Grande? 336 00:13:28,945 --> 00:13:29,905 Or maybe even better. 337 00:13:30,175 --> 00:13:34,015 But I mean, it's, it's about like, like, because you talk about, you 338 00:13:34,015 --> 00:13:38,065 know, tribalism and a mob mentality, we always look at that, unfortunately 339 00:13:38,065 --> 00:13:39,145 in the modern world as well. 340 00:13:39,145 --> 00:13:42,325 Not only the modern world historically as a negative thing, 341 00:13:42,325 --> 00:13:43,795 but what about all the beautiful. 342 00:13:44,459 --> 00:13:47,790 You know, the mob mentality of 6,000 Parisians singing 343 00:13:47,790 --> 00:13:49,860 background as Prince directs him. 344 00:13:49,980 --> 00:13:50,880 That's a nice mob. 345 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:51,569 You know what I mean? 346 00:13:51,569 --> 00:13:51,660 Oh yeah. 347 00:13:51,660 --> 00:13:52,770 Like that elevates people. 348 00:13:52,770 --> 00:13:55,290 'cause when you're part of a choir, we've all done that before. 349 00:13:55,560 --> 00:13:58,079 You can sing better than on your own. 350 00:13:58,319 --> 00:13:58,709 You know? 351 00:13:58,709 --> 00:13:59,520 You literally could. 352 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,990 You literally can you, you, you get swept up in that living life. 353 00:14:01,990 --> 00:14:04,949 Anybody who's ever been to a church and you're sitting next to that old guy. 354 00:14:05,180 --> 00:14:06,739 With the big bass voice. 355 00:14:06,770 --> 00:14:07,010 Yep. 356 00:14:07,099 --> 00:14:11,060 And he just, he just unleashes a little outta tune, but super resonant. 357 00:14:11,300 --> 00:14:12,890 Oh, you know, gives you that confidence that, oh vibe, my gosh. 358 00:14:12,890 --> 00:14:14,000 I singing so loud. 359 00:14:14,479 --> 00:14:17,630 Um, so, so just to recap the first couple principles here. 360 00:14:17,630 --> 00:14:18,709 There is no finish line. 361 00:14:18,739 --> 00:14:22,520 There is no day where you go night, where you go go to bed. 362 00:14:22,910 --> 00:14:24,920 A bad musician to wake up a great musician. 363 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:25,339 No. 364 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,920 Uh, there is just you. 365 00:14:28,365 --> 00:14:33,075 Being an artist and working on your skills again and again from, whether 366 00:14:33,075 --> 00:14:36,465 that's you or Herbie Hancock, you're both doing the same thing and you, that 367 00:14:36,465 --> 00:14:37,785 leads us kind of the second principle. 368 00:14:37,905 --> 00:14:39,375 You already have what you need. 369 00:14:39,585 --> 00:14:39,795 Yeah. 370 00:14:39,825 --> 00:14:40,050 To make. 371 00:14:41,220 --> 00:14:43,230 A connection with people, with your art. 372 00:14:43,230 --> 00:14:48,210 You have enough skills, even with seemingly no skills. 373 00:14:48,210 --> 00:14:50,490 You have it, you just need to do it. 374 00:14:50,490 --> 00:14:52,800 You need to be, have confidence in your light that you're 375 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:54,030 sharing with other people. 376 00:14:54,630 --> 00:14:56,460 Um, and then, and you have to, you have to stop me. 377 00:14:56,460 --> 00:14:58,050 And so, uh. 378 00:14:58,150 --> 00:15:00,010 Like, it's actually a form if you're a musician. 379 00:15:00,010 --> 00:15:02,560 Like we're talking about kind of two different things that I think 380 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,709 we naturally connect more, but we should just say like, even if you're 381 00:15:05,709 --> 00:15:09,760 a listener, I'm still including that, strangely enough in the musician side. 382 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:10,209 Oh yeah, sure. 383 00:15:10,209 --> 00:15:12,100 Because you're, you're, you're tapping your foot to it. 384 00:15:12,100 --> 00:15:13,300 You're singing along or something. 385 00:15:13,300 --> 00:15:14,840 You're already a. Mus musician. 386 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:16,550 A lot of times we think, well, I never learned an instrument, 387 00:15:16,550 --> 00:15:17,510 so I'm not a musician. 388 00:15:17,630 --> 00:15:19,100 Doesn't mean you can't connect with music. 389 00:15:19,100 --> 00:15:19,430 Right. 390 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:21,380 But if you are a musician, no. 391 00:15:21,439 --> 00:15:24,709 Like you say, no matter what level you are, you're a little selfish. 392 00:15:24,709 --> 00:15:27,530 If you're not sharing that with the world or sharing that with 393 00:15:27,530 --> 00:15:30,439 your spouse, or sharing that with your children, or sharing that with 394 00:15:30,439 --> 00:15:35,209 somebody, uh, because the world doesn't just need Herbie Hancock, you know? 395 00:15:35,569 --> 00:15:37,939 Um, the world needs all different levels. 396 00:15:37,939 --> 00:15:39,770 It just needs more music. 397 00:15:39,770 --> 00:15:42,020 And if you go back to what we would call. 398 00:15:42,550 --> 00:15:45,490 Unfortunately, primitive cultures that are still around a lot of these 399 00:15:45,490 --> 00:15:51,520 so-called primitive cultures are very advanced in terms of the way that they 400 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:56,230 treat very inclusively, everybody, part of their tribe as living a 401 00:15:56,230 --> 00:15:58,120 musical life like you talk about. 402 00:15:58,215 --> 00:16:01,125 Cultures in which communication is done via music. 403 00:16:01,305 --> 00:16:05,535 Beautiful music, not just like it's, you know, uh, ring a ding, ding on an iPhone. 404 00:16:05,535 --> 00:16:08,925 I'm talking about like calls between villages and all these kinds of things. 405 00:16:08,925 --> 00:16:12,435 A lot of the primitive things we've got, we've lost our ability to connect 406 00:16:12,435 --> 00:16:15,915 with the same way when there's a typhoon coming or something, we, you know, 407 00:16:16,005 --> 00:16:19,245 how do we get in touch with like our bodies, you know, telling us something 408 00:16:19,245 --> 00:16:22,215 bad and the weather's coming if, if we don't get an iPhone notification. 409 00:16:22,405 --> 00:16:22,795 You know? 410 00:16:22,885 --> 00:16:23,064 Yeah. 411 00:16:23,064 --> 00:16:25,225 We can connect with these things if, if we're willing 412 00:16:25,225 --> 00:16:26,305 to do them, they're all there. 413 00:16:26,335 --> 00:16:30,175 I mean, communication is, is one of the primary reasons that humans 414 00:16:30,175 --> 00:16:31,735 created music in the first place. 415 00:16:31,735 --> 00:16:31,795 Yeah. 416 00:16:32,125 --> 00:16:35,575 Is so that I can hit a drum in a certain way and a couple miles away 417 00:16:35,785 --> 00:16:39,255 that the village down the street is like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 418 00:16:39,715 --> 00:16:40,435 Uh, bad. 419 00:16:40,915 --> 00:16:41,095 You know? 420 00:16:41,095 --> 00:16:41,785 You know Kelly? 421 00:16:42,655 --> 00:16:43,405 She had her baby. 422 00:16:43,465 --> 00:16:43,825 Yeah. 423 00:16:44,215 --> 00:16:44,725 It's all good. 424 00:16:44,725 --> 00:16:45,865 I'm like, Hey, congrats Kelly. 425 00:16:45,865 --> 00:16:47,335 What is this the village idiot you're talking about? 426 00:16:47,425 --> 00:16:47,605 That's me. 427 00:16:47,780 --> 00:16:48,230 That's me, buddy. 428 00:16:48,985 --> 00:16:50,005 No, I love that man. 429 00:16:50,064 --> 00:16:50,575 Um. 430 00:16:51,314 --> 00:16:52,635 Yeah, it's, and celebrations. 431 00:16:52,635 --> 00:16:53,355 I mean, think about that. 432 00:16:53,355 --> 00:16:59,175 Like, so intrinsic, intrinsic in, in, in the celebratory process has is music 433 00:16:59,175 --> 00:17:02,115 and the more so-called primitive the culture, the more it's part of it. 434 00:17:02,444 --> 00:17:05,115 Um, I mean, I think that's something that a lot of, you know, people 435 00:17:05,115 --> 00:17:06,555 still do connect with music. 436 00:17:06,734 --> 00:17:09,585 Think, I mean, like everybody wants to have music at a wedding, at a funeral, 437 00:17:09,585 --> 00:17:12,194 at these important human events because. 438 00:17:12,710 --> 00:17:18,350 You know, music is one of those, uh, uh, elements, you know, language, music, 439 00:17:18,350 --> 00:17:24,680 food that can be, you know, elevate and, and be a connection and nuanced part of, 440 00:17:24,950 --> 00:17:27,050 of the most important things in life. 441 00:17:27,110 --> 00:17:27,319 Yeah. 442 00:17:27,350 --> 00:17:30,740 I mean, yeah, if you're at a Prince concert in Paris in, in 1987, 443 00:17:30,740 --> 00:17:32,150 that's its own moment, right? 444 00:17:32,420 --> 00:17:33,555 But I mean, there's musical moments. 445 00:17:33,980 --> 00:17:36,140 Available to us at all different times. 446 00:17:36,290 --> 00:17:40,520 I mean, I remember a time and, you know, talk about a selfish, uh, self 447 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:45,800 nourishment, uh, type of situation walking, uh, in the museum, Darce 448 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,890 in pa, we're talking about Paris got me to thinking about that. 449 00:17:48,980 --> 00:17:52,280 And I had, this was kind of early on with like one of the early iPods, I 450 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,500 think, and I was like, you know what? 451 00:17:54,500 --> 00:17:56,960 I'm gonna put on some revelle as I walk around and look at these 452 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:58,370 beautiful French impressionist. 453 00:17:58,754 --> 00:17:59,235 Paintings. 454 00:17:59,235 --> 00:18:01,905 And it was one of the, I mean, I still remember how I felt like 455 00:18:01,905 --> 00:18:05,475 listening to that beautiful music as I'm looking at these beautiful 456 00:18:05,475 --> 00:18:09,465 paintings that sort of matched, it was like some kind of crazy wine pairing 457 00:18:09,465 --> 00:18:10,965 with the perfect food or something. 458 00:18:10,965 --> 00:18:14,024 So, I mean, it's like, that's a very decadent, you know, uh, 459 00:18:14,024 --> 00:18:16,304 sort of, uh, selfish situation. 460 00:18:16,605 --> 00:18:17,379 But I think that that's. 461 00:18:18,270 --> 00:18:21,780 Very much along the lines of music as celebration, music as nourishment, 462 00:18:21,990 --> 00:18:24,030 music, as connection of humanity. 463 00:18:24,030 --> 00:18:29,040 Like, you know, any, anytime we're using music to elevate like our 464 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:35,100 vibration and our collective, you know, connection as humans as opposed 465 00:18:35,100 --> 00:18:37,680 to all these things that are in the world that are gonna push us down. 466 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,000 That's the antidote, right? 467 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:39,090 Mm-hmm. 468 00:18:39,330 --> 00:18:39,720 That works. 469 00:18:40,455 --> 00:18:43,455 You know, across cultures across, I'm not trying to be 470 00:18:43,455 --> 00:18:44,835 globalist, it's not about that. 471 00:18:44,955 --> 00:18:47,265 I'm just saying that like human humanist. 472 00:18:47,265 --> 00:18:47,625 Right. 473 00:18:47,625 --> 00:18:47,925 For sure. 474 00:18:47,925 --> 00:18:49,035 Human connection for sure. 475 00:18:49,215 --> 00:18:50,055 It's a big part of it. 476 00:18:50,055 --> 00:18:50,115 Yeah. 477 00:18:50,115 --> 00:18:51,285 And big reason why we do it. 478 00:18:51,495 --> 00:18:51,765 Yeah. 479 00:18:52,125 --> 00:18:52,575 One more. 480 00:18:52,575 --> 00:18:53,265 What makes us human? 481 00:18:53,265 --> 00:18:56,355 You know, one more answer that and then we can finish the podcast. 482 00:18:56,355 --> 00:18:56,625 Adam. 483 00:18:56,625 --> 00:18:57,375 Simple question. 484 00:18:58,095 --> 00:18:58,425 Baloney. 485 00:18:58,425 --> 00:19:01,215 What makes it a good bologna sandwich? 486 00:19:02,355 --> 00:19:04,395 It makes me feel connected. 487 00:19:04,515 --> 00:19:04,875 Nice. 488 00:19:05,055 --> 00:19:07,365 Um, one more principle I just want to hit on here. 489 00:19:07,395 --> 00:19:07,635 Yes. 490 00:19:07,635 --> 00:19:10,605 For living a musical life, and this is, you know, we talk about this with a lot 491 00:19:10,605 --> 00:19:12,045 of our open studio members all the time. 492 00:19:12,045 --> 00:19:14,535 Like I, I do, I have a, I have actually a Monday. 493 00:19:15,195 --> 00:19:19,005 Uh, an ongoing Monday zoom call with all of our open studio members called 494 00:19:19,275 --> 00:19:23,355 Living a Musical Life q and a, where we talk a lot about all of these issues. 495 00:19:23,835 --> 00:19:28,755 And another thing that comes up a lot is to, and this is sort of the final 496 00:19:28,755 --> 00:19:31,605 principle that we'll talk about on this show, but it's something that 497 00:19:31,605 --> 00:19:34,605 you can apply right now, which is to. 498 00:19:35,294 --> 00:19:39,465 Define your own taste and follow your musical heart, right? 499 00:19:39,495 --> 00:19:44,715 So a lot of people will ask us as we're teaching jazz piano at Open Studio, 500 00:19:44,715 --> 00:19:48,225 and even on this podcast like, um, you know, for listening recommendations 501 00:19:48,225 --> 00:19:51,735 or what should I transcribe or what piano should I check out? 502 00:19:51,735 --> 00:19:56,145 And, and definitely that's a great way to learn and discover, yeah, new music. 503 00:19:56,325 --> 00:19:58,965 But when someone says like, what should I transcribe? 504 00:19:59,145 --> 00:19:59,865 I always say. 505 00:20:00,165 --> 00:20:02,385 You know, I have my sort of like beginning, oh, you know, red 506 00:20:02,385 --> 00:20:03,465 Garland, what is this thing called? 507 00:20:03,465 --> 00:20:04,514 Love is Good or whatever. 508 00:20:04,875 --> 00:20:11,235 But I'm also like, what's the most played song in your, on your phone right now? 509 00:20:11,264 --> 00:20:13,305 Like whether that's Spotify or YouTube or Apple Music, whatever, 510 00:20:13,305 --> 00:20:16,034 like what's the most played song of the past six months for you? 511 00:20:16,274 --> 00:20:16,485 Hmm. 512 00:20:16,965 --> 00:20:19,305 And do you know how to play it? 513 00:20:19,845 --> 00:20:20,145 Right? 514 00:20:20,145 --> 00:20:22,185 Ooh, what's your favorite song this year? 515 00:20:22,245 --> 00:20:24,254 Did you learn how to play it if you're a musician? 516 00:20:24,810 --> 00:20:28,050 Certainly you would wanna learn how to play your favorite song, right? 517 00:20:28,110 --> 00:20:28,350 Yeah. 518 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,220 And so many people are like, that's not connected at all. 519 00:20:32,220 --> 00:20:35,879 Like they, they're waiting for, I don't practice Taylor Swift on my piano. 520 00:20:35,879 --> 00:20:36,480 That's what they're saying. 521 00:20:36,570 --> 00:20:36,810 Yeah. 522 00:20:37,050 --> 00:20:37,230 No. 523 00:20:37,230 --> 00:20:39,870 They're waiting for an expert to say, this is what you should be practicing. 524 00:20:39,870 --> 00:20:40,680 This is what you should learn. 525 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:41,940 This is a song you should learn. 526 00:20:42,120 --> 00:20:42,210 Yeah. 527 00:20:42,330 --> 00:20:45,659 But I'm giving you permission now to do what again, the greatest 528 00:20:45,659 --> 00:20:47,865 musician, like we've been so fortunate here at Open Studio. 529 00:20:48,250 --> 00:20:51,070 To be in close contact working with a lot of the greatest 530 00:20:51,070 --> 00:20:52,060 jazz pianists in the world. 531 00:20:52,060 --> 00:20:54,370 Yeah, and one of the things that they have in common is 532 00:20:54,370 --> 00:20:55,990 they follow their musical heart. 533 00:20:55,990 --> 00:20:57,580 They follow their curiosity. 534 00:20:57,580 --> 00:21:00,220 Of course, a lot of them are in reference to masters that they've 535 00:21:00,220 --> 00:21:02,890 studied with and will check out their music and the music of the people 536 00:21:02,890 --> 00:21:04,240 that came before them naturally. 537 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:05,830 But they also. 538 00:21:06,475 --> 00:21:10,915 Have a very clear defined sense of their own musical taste. 539 00:21:10,975 --> 00:21:11,155 Yeah. 540 00:21:11,245 --> 00:21:14,665 And they have the curiosity to go figure out what it is they like 541 00:21:14,665 --> 00:21:16,105 about what the music that they like. 542 00:21:16,165 --> 00:21:20,395 Mm. And I'm giving you permission to not just, uh, listen to and figure out 543 00:21:20,395 --> 00:21:23,004 what Peter Martin is telling you to, or what Adam Manis is telling you to, 544 00:21:23,274 --> 00:21:25,825 but go learn your favorite song Yes. 545 00:21:25,855 --> 00:21:26,725 On your instrument. 546 00:21:26,815 --> 00:21:27,565 Go learn how to play it. 547 00:21:27,565 --> 00:21:28,044 You know why? 548 00:21:28,225 --> 00:21:29,965 'cause you're gonna learn it so much deeper. 549 00:21:30,325 --> 00:21:31,375 You're gonna, you're gonna. 550 00:21:31,899 --> 00:21:34,929 Feel an immediate emotional impact and know how to create that 551 00:21:34,929 --> 00:21:36,340 emotional impact in other people. 552 00:21:36,340 --> 00:21:37,450 Because you know what it feels like. 553 00:21:37,450 --> 00:21:38,409 'cause you love this song. 554 00:21:38,409 --> 00:21:38,470 Yeah. 555 00:21:38,470 --> 00:21:41,980 It's hitting you in some way as opposed to me saying like, go learn a song that 556 00:21:41,980 --> 00:21:43,540 you don't have any connection with. 557 00:21:44,169 --> 00:21:48,429 Um, which is not, again, not something you shouldn't do, but like also you 558 00:21:48,429 --> 00:21:50,409 gotta follow your own curiosity. 559 00:21:50,620 --> 00:21:53,290 Another question we get asked all the time, Peter, is like, how do I know 560 00:21:53,649 --> 00:21:55,360 when I'm done practicing something? 561 00:21:55,360 --> 00:21:57,129 And the answer is, is like, first of all. 562 00:21:57,175 --> 00:21:58,705 You're never done practicing anything. 563 00:21:58,764 --> 00:22:00,385 We're working on like 10 or 12 things. 564 00:22:00,385 --> 00:22:01,915 Just from the different angles, right? 565 00:22:01,919 --> 00:22:02,020 Yeah. 566 00:22:02,024 --> 00:22:02,215 Yeah. 567 00:22:02,215 --> 00:22:05,845 It's like technique repertoire, melody, rhythm, harmony, whate. 568 00:22:05,875 --> 00:22:08,485 Like there's, there's about 12 things we figured out one day. 569 00:22:08,635 --> 00:22:08,725 Yeah. 570 00:22:08,725 --> 00:22:09,685 Around the studio here. 571 00:22:09,835 --> 00:22:10,014 Yeah. 572 00:22:10,044 --> 00:22:12,805 Uh, big buckets that we're working on and they go back like probably 573 00:22:12,805 --> 00:22:13,750 hundreds of you, hundreds of years. 574 00:22:13,794 --> 00:22:15,175 These are not things we invented. 575 00:22:15,175 --> 00:22:16,014 That's when you walked in. 576 00:22:16,014 --> 00:22:18,715 Today I'm practicing a freaking B major scale. 577 00:22:18,805 --> 00:22:19,135 Right. 578 00:22:19,284 --> 00:22:20,815 And I'll, I realize I'll be 80. 579 00:22:20,815 --> 00:22:23,754 If I lived to 80, I'll be 80 practicing a b major scale. 580 00:22:23,754 --> 00:22:24,415 And that's cool. 581 00:22:24,415 --> 00:22:25,135 Like I'm. 582 00:22:25,360 --> 00:22:28,570 That there's only a couple of things that we really are working on. 583 00:22:28,570 --> 00:22:29,020 That's right. 584 00:22:29,110 --> 00:22:31,810 And so when someone says, how do I know when to move on? 585 00:22:31,810 --> 00:22:36,399 It's like you don't have to have, you know, Vladimir Horowitz level mastery of 586 00:22:36,399 --> 00:22:38,469 every technical aspect before you move on. 587 00:22:38,530 --> 00:22:38,800 Right. 588 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,840 Follow your curiosity, follow your musical heart. 589 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:42,370 When you're ready to move on, move on. 590 00:22:42,459 --> 00:22:42,699 Go. 591 00:22:42,699 --> 00:22:42,969 That's right. 592 00:22:42,969 --> 00:22:43,179 Go. 593 00:22:43,179 --> 00:22:43,870 You can come back. 594 00:22:43,870 --> 00:22:44,740 You're gonna be back anyway. 595 00:22:44,860 --> 00:22:45,699 You gotta come back. 596 00:22:45,699 --> 00:22:46,990 You gotta come back and yeah. 597 00:22:47,199 --> 00:22:49,570 And then the thing that you go move on to, you're gonna get bored with, 598 00:22:49,570 --> 00:22:50,649 and you're gonna come back to this. 599 00:22:50,649 --> 00:22:51,675 You're gonna move on to another thing. 600 00:22:52,010 --> 00:22:55,700 But follow where your heart is leading you and you will always be working 601 00:22:55,700 --> 00:22:59,030 on something that keeps you at the instrument that keeps you engaged 602 00:22:59,330 --> 00:23:00,680 and something that you care about. 603 00:23:00,770 --> 00:23:05,090 And that's the most important thing is like, man, what do you like? 604 00:23:05,090 --> 00:23:06,200 What do you love? 605 00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:06,590 That's right. 606 00:23:06,620 --> 00:23:07,850 A lot of people can't answer that. 607 00:23:07,850 --> 00:23:11,030 Figure out what you like and what you love, and then figure out how it works. 608 00:23:11,030 --> 00:23:11,990 Yeah, that's it. 609 00:23:12,140 --> 00:23:12,710 Absolutely. 610 00:23:12,770 --> 00:23:14,510 You know, what do you think about this? 611 00:23:14,510 --> 00:23:15,140 Um. 612 00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:17,040 I'm talking about, you know what? 613 00:23:17,070 --> 00:23:17,820 What do you love? 614 00:23:17,820 --> 00:23:24,780 I'm just wondering when people say, well, I don't know because like, is it 615 00:23:24,780 --> 00:23:27,330 as simple as, wow, that sounds great. 616 00:23:27,330 --> 00:23:27,780 I love it. 617 00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:32,340 Like as soon as you hear something, because I think there are instances where 618 00:23:32,340 --> 00:23:34,380 you have to kind of warm up to something. 619 00:23:34,740 --> 00:23:35,220 You know what I mean? 620 00:23:35,220 --> 00:23:36,690 Like you have to Oh yeah. 621 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:37,380 Maybe hear it. 622 00:23:37,380 --> 00:23:40,740 So, you know, like there is a time when like Peter and Adam say this album, I'm 623 00:23:40,740 --> 00:23:44,010 like, I'm not really feeling that Prince album that they just, but the more I 624 00:23:44,010 --> 00:23:45,660 listen to it, the more it's growing on me. 625 00:23:45,665 --> 00:23:45,795 Totally. 626 00:23:46,145 --> 00:23:48,965 You know, so it's like giving yourself a chance, not only in your practice in 627 00:23:48,965 --> 00:23:51,335 terms of like, when is it time to move on? 628 00:23:51,335 --> 00:23:53,165 Is this something, is this a direction I love? 629 00:23:53,405 --> 00:23:57,215 But also I think in our listening taste, I mean, only because, look, ideally, we 630 00:23:57,215 --> 00:24:00,815 all from a very young age are exposed to all the great musics of the world, equally 631 00:24:00,815 --> 00:24:02,735 for eight hours a day by our parents. 632 00:24:02,735 --> 00:24:07,325 And so we grew up with this, you know, very poutama approach to music, uh, 633 00:24:07,325 --> 00:24:08,764 understanding things around the world. 634 00:24:08,885 --> 00:24:09,665 But that's not the reality. 635 00:24:09,665 --> 00:24:11,750 Like we're so influenced by our parents taste, right? 636 00:24:11,754 --> 00:24:12,245 I did not. 637 00:24:12,260 --> 00:24:15,140 See on my bingo card, PAMA becoming a buzzword around 638 00:24:15,140 --> 00:24:16,610 open studio at the end of 2025. 639 00:24:16,970 --> 00:24:19,025 Here we are, if you know, you know, if not, here we are. 640 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:20,450 If you're not, don't bother looking it up. 641 00:24:20,450 --> 00:24:21,465 It's not worth the gag. 642 00:24:21,465 --> 00:24:21,495 Don't worry about. 643 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:22,580 No, it's a great question. 644 00:24:22,580 --> 00:24:26,120 So, but this is, I think, something that all listeners and artists 645 00:24:26,120 --> 00:24:27,890 are working on all the time. 646 00:24:27,890 --> 00:24:28,129 Right? 647 00:24:28,129 --> 00:24:32,300 It's like, so, you know, like we just released the Sign of the 648 00:24:32,300 --> 00:24:35,840 Times episode, and that's not an uh, uh, album I grew up with. 649 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:35,900 Yeah. 650 00:24:35,900 --> 00:24:38,270 And the first time I heard it I was like, Ooh, I don't know. 651 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:39,270 What this is. 652 00:24:39,300 --> 00:24:39,480 Yeah. 653 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:40,560 I don't know if I like it. 654 00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:43,650 Like when I hear, you know, the, the early print stuff, I'm 655 00:24:43,650 --> 00:24:44,639 like, oh, I know, I like that. 656 00:24:44,639 --> 00:24:44,700 Yeah. 657 00:24:44,700 --> 00:24:46,920 Because I, I, I already have a reference to that. 658 00:24:46,980 --> 00:24:47,070 Yeah. 659 00:24:47,070 --> 00:24:48,240 Late seventies, early eighties thing. 660 00:24:48,389 --> 00:24:50,160 But this, I'm like, what is this? 661 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:50,730 I don't know. 662 00:24:50,970 --> 00:24:53,310 And then, but this is what great art is. 663 00:24:53,310 --> 00:24:53,370 Yeah. 664 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,540 A lot of times is like, but it's, first of all, it's Prince, so I know that. 665 00:24:58,020 --> 00:24:59,190 I trust this artist. 666 00:24:59,195 --> 00:24:59,700 Right, right. 667 00:24:59,700 --> 00:25:01,770 He's not a like, oh, I'm gonna hit a couple good albums and 668 00:25:01,770 --> 00:25:03,060 then it's all downhill kind of. 669 00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:03,270 Yeah. 670 00:25:03,270 --> 00:25:04,830 I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt, right. 671 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:05,370 A little bit. 672 00:25:05,370 --> 00:25:06,960 And I'm gonna give it a couple listens. 673 00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:08,940 And then maybe also, maybe I don't like it. 674 00:25:08,940 --> 00:25:12,120 Like maybe like I happen to really love side of the times, but maybe 675 00:25:12,120 --> 00:25:13,470 I don't and that's fine too. 676 00:25:13,470 --> 00:25:17,610 I got a lot of other print stuff I like or, or other artists I love like. 677 00:25:18,255 --> 00:25:20,850 And you don't have to force just 'cause everybody else likes something 678 00:25:20,850 --> 00:25:22,590 or, or Peter and Adam say it's great. 679 00:25:22,590 --> 00:25:24,060 Doesn't mean that you have to think it's great. 680 00:25:24,060 --> 00:25:28,530 It's just like, it's just, you know, when you have, like for me, I have a 681 00:25:28,530 --> 00:25:31,110 lot of friends, you're one of 'em that when they say, Hey you should check 682 00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:34,770 this out, I'm gonna give it a listen and give it, give it a fair shake. 683 00:25:34,770 --> 00:25:34,920 Right? 684 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:35,040 Right. 685 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,590 I'm gonna come with in good faith that, and I think that's good. 686 00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:38,220 I have that too. 687 00:25:38,220 --> 00:25:40,410 It's definitely with you and different people like, and it's 688 00:25:40,410 --> 00:25:44,790 not even about, oh, I only trust people that have as much or more. 689 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,370 Musical expertise than me. 690 00:25:47,580 --> 00:25:53,160 It's more like I trust people that are open-minded to a point, not open-minded in 691 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,680 the sense of like, oh, I love everything. 692 00:25:55,710 --> 00:25:56,550 Everything's great. 693 00:25:56,550 --> 00:25:58,230 It's like, if everything's great, nothing's great. 694 00:25:58,290 --> 00:25:58,620 Right? 695 00:25:58,650 --> 00:25:58,920 Yeah, that's true. 696 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,310 But also understanding that there's a spectrum of what. 697 00:26:02,580 --> 00:26:05,429 It is not necessarily like, like I don't think there's any denying, some 698 00:26:05,429 --> 00:26:08,490 of these albums are great, but just 'cause something's great doesn't mean 699 00:26:08,490 --> 00:26:10,260 it has that deep resonance for you. 700 00:26:10,260 --> 00:26:10,980 And that's okay. 701 00:26:10,980 --> 00:26:11,580 It's totally true. 702 00:26:11,580 --> 00:26:13,949 'cause like you already mentioned, and we've acknowledged many times 703 00:26:13,949 --> 00:26:17,520 on the pod, it's, it's, it's, it's a feature, not a bug, that we have 704 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,980 connections due to nostalgia with music. 705 00:26:19,980 --> 00:26:23,220 We talk about, you know, certain celebration points. 706 00:26:23,550 --> 00:26:26,220 Um, you know, at my wedding we played Anita Baker. 707 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,720 And like those songs are deeply, like, if I really go back and analyze 708 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,200 them musically, maybe I'm like, oh, this isn't the most exciting 709 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,900 thing, although it probably is, or the playing, but it's always gonna 710 00:26:35,900 --> 00:26:37,820 have this connection point for me. 711 00:26:37,820 --> 00:26:40,850 And so like, that's, that's, that's a beautiful thing, you know what I mean? 712 00:26:40,910 --> 00:26:44,270 That's a great point that the, the emotional connection to music is. 713 00:26:44,275 --> 00:26:46,615 Is as important as actually the quality of the music. 714 00:26:46,975 --> 00:26:50,005 You know, this season, earlier this year, we did a, that episode on 715 00:26:50,005 --> 00:26:52,405 Herbie's head, hunters Band Run. 716 00:26:52,405 --> 00:26:52,465 Yeah. 717 00:26:52,495 --> 00:26:52,855 Right. 718 00:26:53,125 --> 00:26:55,045 Which included a little album. 719 00:26:55,045 --> 00:26:57,655 I don't know if you've heard of this, but I I, I love it. 720 00:26:57,985 --> 00:26:59,665 1976 is Secrets. 721 00:26:59,695 --> 00:26:59,995 Yes. 722 00:26:59,995 --> 00:27:00,115 Right. 723 00:27:00,115 --> 00:27:03,145 Let's just say Adam did show up to that episode very early in eager. 724 00:27:03,420 --> 00:27:04,350 Dressed in his Sunday's. 725 00:27:04,350 --> 00:27:05,460 Best, I can tell you that much. 726 00:27:05,460 --> 00:27:06,420 And you know, secrets. 727 00:27:06,420 --> 00:27:09,210 I went to go buy some headhunters at the borders and Sunset Hills. 728 00:27:09,330 --> 00:27:09,420 Yeah. 729 00:27:09,420 --> 00:27:12,000 They didn't have thrust, they didn't have the original 730 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,230 headhunters, but they had secrets. 731 00:27:13,230 --> 00:27:14,280 So that's the one I bought. 732 00:27:14,340 --> 00:27:14,520 Yeah. 733 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:15,420 That's all I could afford. 734 00:27:15,420 --> 00:27:17,250 'cause I was 16 years old. 735 00:27:17,310 --> 00:27:17,520 Yeah. 736 00:27:17,550 --> 00:27:20,190 Cruising around in my 84 s 10 listening to secrets. 737 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,670 And when we were listening to that run, we were listening to the Head Hunter's album. 738 00:27:23,670 --> 00:27:26,550 We were listening to Manchild, we were listening to Thrust and Secrets. 739 00:27:26,850 --> 00:27:27,945 I realized, I was like, you know what? 740 00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:32,580 I could, like, secrets isn't the greatest of this run. 741 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,890 Like definitely thrust is amazing. 742 00:27:34,890 --> 00:27:36,840 Like thrust is like the peak of this run. 743 00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:37,200 Right. 744 00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:40,230 But I, yes, will always go to secrets first. 745 00:27:40,260 --> 00:27:40,380 Yeah. 746 00:27:40,380 --> 00:27:44,370 And it's because it has this lifelong connection where I connected with 747 00:27:44,370 --> 00:27:48,210 it so heavy when I was at a very, you know, impressionable age. 748 00:27:48,210 --> 00:27:50,520 And so for me, that'll always be my favorite. 749 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:51,270 I recognize. 750 00:27:51,710 --> 00:27:56,210 Yeah, it's not maybe the most cohesive of that run, but that doesn't matter. 751 00:27:56,210 --> 00:27:56,870 It's my taste. 752 00:27:56,870 --> 00:28:00,139 And that's a good, like, uh, that doesn't mean that's a feature, that's a feature. 753 00:28:00,139 --> 00:28:00,679 It's not a bug. 754 00:28:00,679 --> 00:28:02,120 It's like, oh, I'm right or wrong. 755 00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:03,919 It's like, no, this is my jam right here. 756 00:28:03,919 --> 00:28:04,490 This is what I like. 757 00:28:04,700 --> 00:28:04,909 Yeah. 758 00:28:04,909 --> 00:28:08,480 And I think just looking into next season for, I'm so excited about 2020. 759 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,970 Well, you dear listeners are already in 2026. 760 00:28:10,970 --> 00:28:15,860 We are about to embark as we time travel, but like that's really. 761 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,780 What we're trying to do here is not to be taste makers. 762 00:28:18,990 --> 00:28:20,100 We're just trying to share Yeah. 763 00:28:20,100 --> 00:28:20,430 Right. 764 00:28:20,610 --> 00:28:23,100 Share things that excite us and, and like really. 765 00:28:23,534 --> 00:28:29,534 Focus and, and not genre specific at, at all, but try to get stuff up into that 766 00:28:29,865 --> 00:28:32,655 area, not of we're gonna rank them now. 767 00:28:32,895 --> 00:28:36,405 And not that you have to love everything, but that you're in the zone 768 00:28:36,435 --> 00:28:38,024 of like, it's okay to like this more. 769 00:28:38,024 --> 00:28:40,125 And all these are great albums on some level for sure. 770 00:28:40,245 --> 00:28:43,544 But how, how the rank choice, it's like rank choice voting, right? 771 00:28:43,544 --> 00:28:43,605 Yeah. 772 00:28:43,635 --> 00:28:47,565 You know, it doesn't have to be e exact, but we're trying to do stuff that's 773 00:28:47,565 --> 00:28:51,225 beautiful, has substance and resonates with people that That's exactly right. 774 00:28:51,225 --> 00:28:52,125 And you mentioned that, that. 775 00:28:52,595 --> 00:28:56,345 That we love, we we just put together next season, which is 776 00:28:56,345 --> 00:28:57,755 gonna be a really good season. 777 00:28:58,205 --> 00:28:58,265 Yeah. 778 00:28:58,265 --> 00:29:01,145 And we were like, well, classical coming at you, we were talking about like, well, 779 00:29:01,145 --> 00:29:02,585 what are all these things have in common? 780 00:29:02,585 --> 00:29:05,975 And it's really just albums that you and I have some kind of deep 781 00:29:05,975 --> 00:29:07,985 affinity for or connection to. 782 00:29:08,075 --> 00:29:08,315 Right. 783 00:29:08,525 --> 00:29:10,775 You know, and that's at least one of us, if not both, at 784 00:29:10,775 --> 00:29:12,005 least one of us, if not both. 785 00:29:12,005 --> 00:29:13,265 And that makes a huge difference for us. 786 00:29:13,265 --> 00:29:16,475 Like if you're, if you're wondering like, why is this not just. 787 00:29:16,980 --> 00:29:20,805 Straight ahead Jazz, or why is it not just Michael Jackson's asked that on this? 788 00:29:21,570 --> 00:29:24,870 We could, we a couple people, but it's because we're just 789 00:29:24,870 --> 00:29:25,800 doing albums that we love. 790 00:29:25,830 --> 00:29:26,100 Yeah. 791 00:29:26,129 --> 00:29:28,629 Regardless of where it comes from, that's literally what our agenda is. 792 00:29:28,629 --> 00:29:29,430 It's literally the only, yeah. 793 00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:32,639 The only criteria is that one of us has to love the album that we're listening to. 794 00:29:32,700 --> 00:29:33,030 That's it. 795 00:29:33,030 --> 00:29:33,300 Yeah. 796 00:29:33,300 --> 00:29:33,310 Yeah. 797 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:33,990 Good. 798 00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:34,919 Well, I'm excited, man. 799 00:29:34,919 --> 00:29:36,990 Adam, thank you for everything this year and, and all the. 800 00:29:37,355 --> 00:29:39,605 Thank you guys to the listeners for being here with us. 801 00:29:39,635 --> 00:29:39,935 Hell yeah. 802 00:29:39,965 --> 00:29:42,635 We hope this helps you in just some small way to live a little bit more 803 00:29:42,635 --> 00:29:45,815 of a musical life and that's what we're gonna be doing on the pod here. 804 00:29:45,815 --> 00:29:49,595 So this is a safe place for you to tune in to live your musical life. 805 00:29:49,625 --> 00:29:52,715 And at Open Studio come if you want to get better at jazz, piano less. 806 00:29:52,715 --> 00:29:55,235 If you wanna go next level, if you wanna go next level, you 807 00:29:55,235 --> 00:29:56,375 know, and not just jazz, piano. 808 00:29:56,850 --> 00:30:00,240 Like we are primarily, like, I think that the instruction, especially what 809 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,770 you're doing with, with, uh, with your specific instruction and courses, is about 810 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,790 leveraging jazz principles to pretty much be able to play anything on the keyboard. 811 00:30:08,790 --> 00:30:11,820 Well, mostly the stuff from secrets, but yeah, for sure, for sure. 812 00:30:12,810 --> 00:30:13,230 All right. 813 00:30:13,230 --> 00:30:14,580 Until next year, you'll hear it.