It's a disgrace, that's what it is. I know.
I mean, you guys are privileged. You see that, right? Sure.
No, not sure. And out the door, you give me the finger.
You get halfway down the hall. I want you to know it then. Because it's
true. Not because some dude. I mean, this time maybe it could be anybody.
Because some man says that it's right. You know, I could have held back on
this, just blowing it off. Cause I got a flight to catch tomorrow. That you
figure out. Life all in your little lonesome. I think I would've been doing you
a disservice, I really do. So, and I'm
not bullshitting you, here. Cherish this. Look,
all I wanna say is that you boys are sitting in the driver's seat.
You can make whatever you want to happen happen. It's that easy. I mean,
you're in with this company, but you're screwing around, chasing each other in
the break room, hanging out with a bunch of guys from shipping. I mean,
where's your head, huh?
Offer you a chance here. Keith Keith, right. Yeah. Keith Keith
or Keith Keith? Which? Keith?
Well, you ought to know.
Yeah. Howard will be back in about an hour. I'll take him.
Thanks.
I'm just rolling out the opportunity for you to hang with the money people.
Don't screw this up, Keith. I mean, I'll look at you guys. Sometimes interns we're
given on a project, I mean, I'll wonder to myself, you got
the balls for this, right? I can't help but think it.
I do. Yeah. Yes.
Ax anybody.
Let me give you a professional tip. The word
is ask. Okay?
You want a job like mine one day, sitting back in part of a show
such as this one. The ring is just dangling
right there. And you've come this far,
you just gotta grab it. But you need the
big brass ones for the desk.
Now you say that you've got em? Yeah.
Enough to handle a pressure cooker like this? Uh huh.
Fine.
Let's see him then. Praise the Lord for
bringing us this generous penalty.
Just give me all the bacon and eggs you have. Wait,
wait. I worry what you just heard was. Give me a
lot of bacon and eggs. What I said was give me
all. The bacon and eggs you have.
Living flesh. I guess that's about 56.
Complex me back on my menu.
That's why I'm hungry. Each word I say farther
and farther into a radical number.
Secret. It's amazing. Don't see a bottle I'd
buy that for a dollar. Not bad for me. Please, when you try to
come back. Oh, look at me. Look at me. I've never been seeing easily
up. Hungry. I'm so hungry.
I'm so hungry. I. I never knew anyone could
be so hungry. What about that time I found you naked with that bowl
Hello, folks. This is the Beef podcast. I am one of
your hosts, Gary Hill. Well, yeah, I got a co host this time, but my
regular hosts are not here. Hiatus and elsewhere,
because it's Friday night and you know, I'm a good company. I. I gotta
say. And you know this man. Well, you should know this man.
He. He is the hardest working man in podcasting.
The always impossible funky leader,
proprietor, editor, complaint department of
the Projection Booth podcast. Mr. Mike White. How you doing, sir? I'm so
glad to be here. Thank you so much, Gary. Oh, my gosh. Yeah,
it's been a while, but I'm always glad for you to take the time.
And I know you're very busy, man, with your, what, seven or
eight podcasts by now that you do here with people. It just.
Yeah, I, I thank you, my friend. Oh,
yeah, it is always such a pleasure to talk with you. So, yeah, I'm very
excited for this. Micah brought some heat to
this show and I'm. I'm looking forward to talking about it and, you know,
some toxic dudes, if you will.
Yes, toxic masculinity. Before the
term toxic masculinity was even. Coined, I believe it's just
oozing from these damn films. And yeah, I wish, I wish,
I wish a woman was on this show just like, hey, yeah,
let's talk about it. And that's Dutch. She's a third member of this for this
program. Bugging me right now, but, you know, it is what it is. But I'll
start the show the same way I always start the show. And I ask you
what you've been watching lately, sir? Oh,
well, you know, of course, watch a lot of movies for the various
shows you mentioned that. I do quite a bunch. So definitely out there checking
that out. Haven't really gone to the movies too much recently. It's been mostly stuff
at home. I think the last movie I saw out was Falcon,
Captain America. Sorry, Captain America. He's not the Falcon anymore.
Captain America, Brave New World. And then, yeah, just around
the house. Other than, of course, the stuff for the podcast,
one of the things I've watched recently was a movie called the good fairy from
35, a William Wyler film, which I absolutely love.
If you haven't seen that, I can't recommend it strongly
enough. And then, yeah, the other night I watched.
For my sins, I watched a Minecraft movie.
A Minecraft movie. As if there's going to be more than one Minecraft movie.
So screw me, right?
Well, it's an odd one because
it's. It's. It's Jared Hess film, right?
Yeah. And I usually enjoy his stuff and I have not watched this
yet, but I'm sort of looking forward to watching it because I love the
odd things that he does in films with it with his brother and with.
Gentlemen Broncos is an underrated film, in my opinion,
but it just gets wild and stupid for
no reason at all. And I just love that kind of odd stuff like that.
And this one, I don't play the video game,
but it looked like fun to me. As far as a
preview goes. I just couldn't tell you I would see this. I couldn't
tell you if I had fun with it or not. To say I like
the idea of Jason Momoa and Jack Black together, but I couldn't tell you if
that's true or not. Well, it's really weird because they set up
the Jason Momoa character to be very similar to what's
that guy's name, Billy Mitchell, the guy who was
the villain in King of Kong, that documentary about the
Donkey Kong competition. Think Peter
Dinklage kind of plays that character in Pixels.
And there's a lot of stuff in a Minecraft movie that reminds
me of Pixels. But it was very interesting
because the version of a Minecraft movie I watched was 100%
a bootleg, and it was a leaked version of a early,
like, a working copy of it. So, like, you see green all
around everybody's hair or, like, blue in the background.
Like, there's a part where this computer dog is licking Jack Black's
face. And basically the dog's head does not move. Like,
it doesn't open, the mouth doesn't open, and it's just him kind of reacting to
it. And the dog is covering up half of his body because of the way
that it was matted. And even, like, there's a main villain
who's a, like, a pig lady and her mouth never moves
whatsoever. And I'm just like, oh, they're going to animate all that lip flap in,
like, later on. But the version I saw, she just stands
there with a solid cube head and you hear the woman
from, like, Thor, Ragnarok and Hunt for the Wilder People. You hear her
voice coming out of this mouth, but you're like, she's not moving her mouth.
This is kind of strange. So I'm like, it took me a long time before
I realized I was watching a work print of it. Yeah, my buddy
told me about this work print. He's a big, you know, connoisseur, that kind of
stuff. And I was kind of looking forward to watching it that way because I
remember when Wolverine Origins came out. Oh God, that was great.
Before that came out, that work print with the unfinished
effects was way more entertaining than the actual film itself.
That's the only movie version I've ever seen. Is that work print one with
like the horrible like gray version of Logan rolling over that like
truck and stuff? Yes.
And I love Leo Schreiber in that movie. Don't get me wrong.
I, I've seen both versions as far as like the finished version of that version,
but that's, I'd imagine that's more of the same of that Minecraft work printed
and like I said, it might make it more entertaining. Oh yeah,
I think it was, I think it was honestly more entertaining that way. And I,
I definitely think that with the Wolverine as well.
But yeah, no, I, I, I totally agree with you. Liev Schreiber is
just frickin fantastic. I love him in anything. I really
always loved him in one movie that I don't think gets enough credit called
Some of All Fears. That Tom Clancy Jack
Ryan film with Ben Affleck is Jack Ryan.
I think that's one of the better ones out there. Like for me
it's like Alec Baldwin, Ben Affleck
and then John, what's his name, Krasinski or whatever that guy's
name is from the Office and then Harrison Ford and it's really tough putting Harrison
Ford in last place in a Jack Ryan off. Even though I
guess Chris Pine is also in there at some point and yeah, just that
movie, that one doesn't really even feel like it counts to me.
Yeah, I, I remember seeing it. I, I couldn't tell you, but he's
one of those actors that I, I, I enjoy most things he's in except
for the Scream franchise. I'm really, I'm really relieved when he dies in those movies.
But you know Ray Donovan?
Oh yeah, the, the Goon movies. I enjoy the Goon movies
quite a bit. He's great in those movies. You just, you just,
he just keep the gift that keeps on giving and things. I even watched that,
the movie that the, about the guy that begat Rocky.
Chuck. Chuck, what's his name? Replayed that guy in the movie,
I think it was just called Chuck, where he played the guy that that Rocky's
based on. Oh, okay. Yeah. But,
Yeah, I love Le Schreiber. Movie 43
is a film that I shouldn't laugh at intensely, but I laugh at movie 43
intensely. And it's just a lot of crude jokes and I.
He's one of the best parts of it, him bullying
his teenage son.
I can't say I've ever watched it all the way through.
I think I stop every time at the balls on
the chin with Hugh Jackman and I've never made it past that.
It's. It is ridiculous. It is.
Anything else that you watched? Those were the big
ones. I've been watching some tv, so I finally watched all of
the Pentavoret, the Mike Myers thing from 2020.
You know, it only takes me a little while to get to things, apparently.
All right, all right. And yeah, and then I'm still watching like new
season of Taskmasters coming out, so I'm excited for that. The Taskmaster Australian
version just came out, so I've been in that and then,
yeah, waiting to find out who gets crowned
the Queen of All Queens on the latest season of
RuPaul's Drag Race. So I remember you being a fan of that show.
Don't ask. I remember you being a fan of that show. Still am.
Still am, yeah. The Pentava
thing, I've been meaning to get to too, but I haven't done it because it's
like, like they made this thing that's based on a joke, a small
joke from Sean Mar and Ax Murderer and I
am. I love that thing. So I'd imagine, you know, this, this outrageous
thing. I'm going to love to. You know, I enjoyed it.
Yeah. There's. It gets a little heavy handed at points because it's basically
like the Internet ruined everything and it's like. Yeah, no, you know,
that might have been radical to say in 2022. I don't think so. But in
2025 you're like, yeah, no, everything sucks.
I, I really can't. Can't argue with that.
There. New stuff I watched.
I watched A Working man, the, the brand new Jason Statham joint.
Oh, yeah, Yeah. I follow these hook, line and sinker.
And I think now he's, he's. He hasn't really
escaped the Expendables because this is, I think, written and produced by Stallone,
this movie. Yeah, it is. Yeah,
it's. It's like, like the Beekeeper. I had a great Time Beekeeper.
I had a great time with this, too. It's kind of like a return to
form for him, in my opinion, as far as like, you know,
being the charismatic action star. Although I do.
I do like his character in Expendables, but a
lot of the other stuff kind of brings it down a bit. But, you know,
he's in this. And my
only real regret this is. It is much like taking,
you know, a girl. He did he.
A daughter of a guy who works for Michael Pena gets kidnapped.
He has, like, years of military training, so he goes after her
because, you know, he has a good relationship with her. And my
only big regret with this is David Harper's in this and he plays like
his blind ex army mate. Yeah,
yeah. I wish there was more like that. That seed where
they break into his house and he has to go like blind gunman on
these. On the bad guys. I needed more David harbor in this movie.
That's my only real about it. You know.
I. I liked it, but I thought the Beekeeper was way better because
it was just so silly, you know. Oh, yeah. It was ridiculous. It was.
Oh, yeah. Oh, my gosh.
Other stuff. TV stuff. You mentioned TV stuff. I started
and enjoying the hell out of Mob Land on Paramount.
Plus the new Guy Richie thing.
Pierce Brosnan, Helen Mirren, Tom Hardy,
holding it down. It's just Guy Richie
doing British gangster, you know, like you love to watch and it's
violin for all the right reasons. And, you know,
Helen Mirror, Helen Mirren is. Is devious as. Like,
you want her. And I just. I love everything about it so far. I'm three
episodes in. I just. I. I want more of it, obviously.
Nice. Besides, I've watched
a lot of 1983 horror films. Were my appearance on Land
of the Creeps, this is coming up, so I rewatched
some stuff. Warlock, the Armageddon, I rewatched
that. I have a good time with the first two of those.
Andrew Hickox again. This is a Hickox do it up Preacher. I watched.
Oh, you know, Ticks is amazing. Amazing practical
effects. People say, oh, the acting's not so good. You know, you have fun
with a dumb creature feature like Ticks and, you know.
And then I watched it for the first time ever, Toby Hooper's
Night Terrors, which features. And I love this,
this. This. This point of Robert Englund's career where he's just like going full
ham, you know, in these roles. He had the Phantom
of the Opera thing. He. He had this where he's playing like the Marquis
de Sade, but, like amped up to 11, you know,
and some other stuff too, but. Oh,
the, The Mangler is a favorite. It's not a good movie. He's just.
He's just insane in it. And I, I love that aspect of
the Mangler. Not much else, but his, his craziness in that movie.
It elevates her from like a 4 to a 6 for me, let's put it
that way. Oh, yeah, yeah,
yeah. No, Hickox is great. What was the company
that he worked for a lot? I think you said it.
Oh, maybe didn't say it. Was it
like it was a full moon? That was a Vestron Bestron.
He worked with Best Run a lot. Yeah, a lot of stuff out now.
I'm Blu Ray from them, so. Oh, yeah, those Vestron
films were something very special. I think Sundown
Vampire and Retreat is one of his. And that's.
That's got a nice special edition and, you know.
Yeah, good stuff, man. But yeah, these, these 93s. I, I just started
watching a film that I've always seen the box art for, but I couldn't
find it even by legal means, so I had to have a dig for it.
Skeeter from 1993. Oh, God. Wow.
Yeah, it's. It's not great, but it's got Charles Napier,
Michael J. Pollard, William Sanderson and George Buck Flower in the
same movie. So I, I had to check it out. Wow.
I had to check it out, man. You. You, you know this, Mike. It's crazy.
Yes. You get a cast like that and.
Yeah. Yeah, you definitely have to check out something like that. Some fun
doing that. I. I listen. Listen to their shows and they,
they were. Their 91 show. They're. They're complaining. I was like,
there's like, there's like golden 91. What are you talking about, guys?
Jeez. But no, I, I love those guys and
supposed to have Greg and his wife on real soon, and I'm looking forward to
that, too. Besides that, not.
Not a whole lot more new stuff to sing about. I, I watch stuff
for shows, too, that I can't discuss right now because I record a
brand new episode of the. In the Parade Way series with John
Cross tomorrow. So, yeah, that's. That'll all be discussed on,
on, on that show, obviously. Well, please give John my best.
He's. He's one of the good ones. I will, man. Reach out, man. He's always
looking back, man. For sure. Yeah, he just started that. And I'll push this 9
Ways of Sunday, the PM Entertainment podcast, you know.
Okay. That's why he was asking me about PM Entertainment. Yeah.
I'm sure he's looking for guests. I'm sure he would love to have you,
Mike, you know. But that's
about it for me. We'll go into the. The meat of
the show now, which is aplenty, if you will.
The meatheads in these movies. Oh, boy. Yeah.
Mike gave me a list and. And I said, give me a list and I'll
pair with something. And he. And he. He paired it for me because I.
I was. It was a. It was hard for me. So we
are doing the Men's Club from. Was this 1970?
No. 80 something. Right. 86. Like a great
year in cinema. And then the Men's Club. It should have
been made in the 70s. We'll talk about that. Yeah. Oh, boy. Yeah.
In the. In the Company of Men, Mike is the other film. That's correct.
Yeah. To 2001. Is that right?
2001. Yeah. No, 97. 97. We have
yet to crack the century mark. Okay. Yeah.
Yeah. We're those two films. And we're going chronological order,
I think, with the men's Club
from 1986. And we'll do that right through this trailer.
For every woman who ever loved a man.
For every man who ever had a secret.
Sarah and I were arguing three months after we were married. Got so there
was nothing but pain at home and anger in me. If I made it with
another woman, it would degrade Hannah. What if you didn't tell her?
She'd get sick. Thing is, you have to
keep a record. I have had 622 women.
Personally, I prefer courtship. There was a woman who used
to like to taste my food in restaurants.
I went out with her for months. I almost married her. I understood
then the whole problem with our marriage.
Sheila doesn't like me. But I've been sitting here and I've
been listening. The stories are obscene. You don't have to like our stories.
Thank you. But I was afraid I had to. Like them man to man,
you know? Will he talk? Except woman comes along.
Her. Every man for himself. She's waiting for my call. I can feel it.
She's waiting for it. How long has it been since you spoke to her?
Five years. That's your love story for me,
one woman makes another woman necessary. Do I remind you
of your wife? Not yet. Complain about
something. You wouldn't be jealous if she made it with another guy? No,
man, I'm liberated.
I don't Feel anything. Look, I dislike being analyzed,
Kramer. I'm not one of your patients. I thought you were my friend. Huh?
Maybe I was wrong about you. Maybe I ought to kick your.
I live only for peak experiences.
This is a wonderful club. This is a wonderful
club. It all begins
after they kiss their wives good night.
The Men's club.
The Men's Club, 1986. Your cheapo plot synopsis
is. Men form a discussion group to share feelings about.
About life and women. As the gathering
gets wilder, the wife comes. The wife comes home after being kicked out. They want
to continue the night. Kind of weak sauce, but thanks IMDb
nonetheless. The stars maybe.
Help me out here. What was David Dukes in? David Dukes sounds very familiar to
me, but not like in the KKK sense. I just about
made that joke. No, you know, I. I think I was mixing him up with
Daryl Dukes, but. Yeah, I'm not sure I recognize David Dukes,
but everybody else in this one I think I recognize.
Yeah, a lot of them for sure. Richard Jordan,
who you know from. If you ever. Yeah, Dune,
Logan's Run, you know, the, the. The good Harvey
Keitel, you know, from many, many things.
Frank Langella, tons of things.
Played Dracula and Skeletor, so there's that, you know. Oh, yeah.
Roy Scheider, who you know from many, many things.
Craig Wasson, who may maybe no less of
him, but he's from Nightmare 3. And body. Body Double.
Right? Yeah, yeah. Body double. Treat Williams.
Yeah. Late Street Williams.
Stalker. Channing, uh, Rizzo herself is in this movie.
She gets upset for good reason. Oh, yeah.
Morons. Jesus. Yeah,
there's a lot more in here. Oh, my God.
Jennifer Jason Lee. Yeah. Yeah. That's wild.
Well, yeah, Jason. Jennifer Jason Lee is kind of the reason why I
chose this movie. I had seen that
poster with her on it for years. So I actually had written
down that one is something. This one, I should say the Men's
club is something I to wanted to see and talk about at some point.
And then the other one is one called Hearts of Midnight,
which also has a very intriguing Jennifer Jason Lee poster.
It's like, I don't know why I forgot just how incredible she
looked in the 80s and 90s and still now she looks great. Oh, yeah.
But just like those two posters really grabbed my attention
and I was like, okay, yeah, so I think I said both of
those with a couple other titles over. You chose the Men's Club. And then
when it came to like pairing them up, I was like, like, okay, yeah,
I think I can think of another Thing that would go well with the men's
club after I had seen it, because I had no idea what it was about.
Walking into it, I just knew that poster, that was the only
thing that I was going on with this one.
When I see the cast, I was like. And I read the synopsis,
I was like, I'm gonna pick this one because I want. I want to look.
Look at freaking Roy Scheider and Richard Jordan get randy about,
you know. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God,
the cast is just amazing. And, like, you mentioned Stocker Channing
and Jennifer Jason Lee, and then you've even got, like, who. Anne Wentworth and,
like, Helen. What's her name? Supergirl, I think,
is in this as well. Like, very small role, but yeah,
the. Some very, very good actors and actresses
in this. And, you know, they do. They do a
good job too. But, yeah, the content is questionable.
I love. I love this. You know, hate to use the word
words, locker room talk, but, you know,
the plenty in this movie, it's. It's. It's uncomfortable
for that kind of dude, you know? Well, yeah, And I'm wondering if this is.
The whole men's club thing is supposed to be a reaction to,
like, women uniting and having their own support systems
and men just feeling left out. This feels very much like the whole men's rights
things, where it's like, what do you mean, men's right?
Like. The patriarchy's
been around for a long time. You need a men's rights thing. Is that,
like, Straight Pride Month? Like, come on, man. Like, give it a rest.
Like, it's fine to hang out with the boys, but then,
like, when they show what these guys get up to, maybe it
is not fine that you hang out with the boys because you all turn into
a bunch of meatheads. Yeah, yeah. And, you know,
it's. I mean, I've been there before. Not. Not to this. To this
extent before. But, you know, you have those friends that, you know,
you talk with in a certain way, you know, not. Not in mixed
company. And these guys in this movie don't really
care if they're in mixed company or not. They just talk about whatever they want
to talk about, you know? Yeah, well, I think that's 1986.
I don't know when the book was written. It feels more like. You were saying
it feels like the. The 70s, and I wouldn't be surprised if was
written in the 70s. Yeah. This seems like a movie that would
be hard to get made as far as, like, I. I didn't find Much
on the history of it or anything. And fun
thing about Mike is when Mike does a show, his. Especially his own show,
he provides reference materials. You know,
very, very professional fellow, that Mike White. You know, I love him for it,
but. Yeah, I couldn't tell you, but the
director of this surprised hell on me because this Peter.
I usually say medak, but yeah, yeah. They got
to be the changeling and, you know, stuff like that. And a lot. A lot
of TV that you recognize. And it just seems
like an odd film. If you watch this, you watch the Changeling,
it's like two totally different tones. It's like,
oh, yeah, maybe it's like he was directed for Hire or
something here because it's. That's. That's.
It's. It's. It's so strange that he did those two things. I don't even
know. Yeah, he was all over the map when it came to what
he was doing. I mean, you mentioned the changeling. Like, I.
Well, he was supposed to do figures in a landscape, but I
think he got removed from that towards the end. But, like,
freaking the craze. But then you've got Zorro,
the Gay Blade, you know, Romeo is Bleeding, and then Species
two. So it's like, okay, like, he's all over the place
when it comes to his projects. Yeah, I just noticed
seven episodes of the 80s Twilight Zone, which is a show
that you're on. You guys do that show? Yeah, yeah. And, yeah,
I don't know how he got onto this one. I did look up the book
came out in 81, so right there at the tail end of the 70s.
And yeah, I was looking to see there
weren't a lot of things written about this. There were some reviews,
and a lot of times it was like, it was so funny because it's like,
I don't know why Peter Madeck would do this. It's like, I don't know.
Why not? It was a paycheck. Like, I don't
know how invested he was in this subject matter, but he was definitely
getting paid for it, I hope. I mean, the subject matter itself is. You know,
these guys, they get together, they. They drink. I wouldn't
say, you know, they're having, like, massive breakthroughs
as, like, therapy or something. But, you know, they could get together and
they. They goof up and they're all different walks of life, which is a
big thing about this film that. I did enjoy that. Yeah,
even, you know, the. The. The psychoanalyst
can get together with the meathead baseball player and those Guys
are the same, you know, when it comes down to the marrow.
I. I kind of like that aspect of not. Not their conversations,
but the idea to say, okay, you know what? This guy could be a
massive prick too. Yeah. Even though easier.
You're. You're everyday person who goes out
and analyzes other people. That guy's real up in his own son.
So I. I kind of appreciate that from a guy who probably needs
therapy of some kind, but, you know, it's sort of against
it at the same time to know that these people are flawed too,
you know? Well, so I did read a lot of
the book, and the movie is adapted.
Is adapted by Leonard Michaels, the guy that wrote the book. So you can imagine
it's very similar, though it's interesting that the book ends
basically with the stalker Channing character coming in
and eventually clocking Richard Jordan over the head
with the frying pan and then his whole, like, how did you know? How did
that make you feel? Kind of thing. Because it's all about psychoanalysis,
like you're saying, like, he's. He's kind of the leader of the group.
It feels like it's his place that this is all taking place.
It has to be, because it's his knives, his walls that
they're destroying. All the pictures, all the glassware, all this
stuff. Such a group of a holes. I don't know
why you would do that to anybody's house, much less your friend.
And. Yeah, so then he disappears
from the movie. So, like, the whole thing of them going to the whorehouse
in the second half of the film, that's all completely written for the screen.
So that is not part of the book. Which I was like, oh, well,
that's interesting where you chose to end the book versus where you choose to end
the movie. But, my God, this whole. The book and the
movie, it is just like. Do you want to do a monologue?
Let me give you a monologue. You're going to really enjoy
this, and you can chew this sucker up. May take you 10,
15 minutes to deliver it sometimes, but you got
at least five solid minutes. Every time I give you a monologue.
I will say this, though. You know, the guy is the guy for this movie.
You know, they're solid actors. Oh, yeah.
Even when they do a monologue and they sound like assholes,
you're still listening because it's. It's Break Langella doing this.
You know, with time. I'm not judgy, but I guess there was an
incident with him. I don't even Recall that the logistics of it, time told
on him, I guess. Harvey Keitel doing these monologues.
You know, Roy Scheider doing these daddy's monologues.
So even though they're misogynistic prick bags,
you're still listening because you have these monologues.
Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, the whole movie starts with that really
extreme close up of Roy Schneider giving a monologue, and then
cut to, like, the reactions from these other guys, and they're like
two or three lines kind of. It's a very interesting way of introducing
these characters, but it's just so much of Roy Scheider's
face on screen telling this. This whole thing before the
credits even roll. And I'm like, okay, yeah, you got me.
Here's a good story. And it's from a little bit later.
It's from when they finally all get together. But a lot of these stories are
from when they get. It's basically like there's a very little bit before you
see them all gather at this guy's place. So the things with
Liangella coming home and finding his apartment empty
or his house empty, like, you find out about that, but you
find out about it later. So. And it's not like you're seeing it before the
event starts. It's just very much like, hey, I hear this guy's having people
over. Oh, really? Why is he having people? Well, they're doing this thing, and,
you know, it's important for men to get together and stay together and all this
kind of stuff. And then the evening starts, and you kind of get that
same character breakdown as far as, like, this guy's a psychiatrist. This guy
does this, this guy does this. And I'm like, okay, so I mean,
Leonard Michaels definitely knew how to
take his own work. And I mean, it may not.
May not be the most riveting story in the world.
There's not that much story. Like I said, it's so monologue heavy.
But, I mean, it's pretty faithful to the book. And if you
didn't want to read the book like I did, go ahead and just watch the
movie. Yeah, the movie.
The movie itself is very, very decent. I did enjoy time with
it. I've had these friends before, and who
knows that the men's club would inspire casual
acts. Throwing now amongst men. These are knives in this movie.
And again, it's so ridiculous some of
the things you. Throwing knives at your own dining room
door and expecting your wife not to be mad
about that. I would like a little more context in There, but,
you know, with their relationship. But at the same time, is.
Is it really needed if, you know, she's not going to clonk him on the
head with the frying pan like she does in the book. And that's the end
of the book. I mean, he took the time to take that concept
and expand it, you know, and do, you know, a full fledged,
you know, film adaptation which, you know, these guys leaving
the house. Obviously, if that was. If I was the wife, I'd be throwing the
out too. You know, you. Your friends go out and play somewhere
else because you could tell. And she played it real well for the short time
you were stock and chanting in the film, you could tell she was just this
frazzled wife that put up with a lot of. Because that was like.
That was like the adverse. Like, yeah, you guys gotta get
out now, you know. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I mean,
really, so much of this movie feels like it's a play insofar
as, like once we get to the party or the
get together, the men's club itself, like, it's pretty much that
location. And then when they go to the whorehouse, it's that location.
And it's like, okay, you know, like, of course there are rooms inside of
the whorehouse, but. Or sorry, I should probably be saying something nicer like
brothel or something. But there's all these different rooms in the brothel.
And so we have like, oh, here's what Frank Langella is up to. And here's
what the Harvey Keitel is up to. His famous I'm not
masturbating lying that I love so much.
I didn't realize that that is how this movie is
known as that clip of him on YouTube. I'm like,
okay, great. And they let him use his voice in this too.
It's not like Saturn 3 where he was dubbed over. So I was kind of.
Oh, yeah. When I seen Heartbreak, I tell this movie. I was waiting for,
you know, the other voice to come in because I wasn't sure quite at what
time, you know, because was blue collar before Saturn 3?
I think it was. Yeah, it was. That was 70s
and Saturn 3 was 80s, so. Oh, Saturn 3 is so
much fun. It is very fun. But it seems so odd,
that voice coming out of that mouth. And. Yeah, oh, yeah.
When his voice is. I mean, when Last Temptation
of Christ came out, nobody could stop talking about Harvey Keitel because of
his accent. When he's supposed to be an ancient Israelite,
it's like, okay, yeah, but he's got, he's Got the Harvey Keitel
voice. You know, it's like, all right, yeah, cool, easy.
He's just. Just south of Italy, south of Jerusalem, I guess. Yeah,
I guess so. South. South Bronx. Yeah.
For sure. Like the whole thing.
The whole thing with the what? You know, the. The House of ill repute,
we'll call it again. You know, the biggest thing I
didn't like about the film is not even that it's
kind of hard to want these guys to be better because they're
such. Until they get to. Even when they get to the whorehouse
and. But. But the women
trying to make them better in a way by. By asking them, you know,
what their issues is and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like,
I really don't want redemption for these men at this point.
And so that's the biggest thing that takes me out of it.
You know, I would rather have, like, them. Them go to.
To. To. To the. To the whorehouse and then possibly go somewhere
else and maybe one of them get critically injured for.
From their actions. I don't. I don't know. I want bad. Something.
Something. Something. Something bad to happen to one of
them. And I think the frying pan over the head in the book would have.
Would have been like, hey, Louis Jordan comes home and then,
you know, his wife probably gets sick of him and just clonks him over
the head or possibly shoots him in the chest. I don't. I don't know,
man. I just needed something like that, you know. Oh, yeah, no, you're right.
If. If they had lost a guy with each place they went to, and by
the end, it's just like Frank Langella and, And Harvey Keitel together
or like, you know, maybe even do like the David
Dukes and Craig Wasson characters, the two that
you think would be the first to go, you know.
Make this a dark comedy like that. Make. Yeah,
and make it very bad things. And then. Oh, God,
yes, I would be all over this. Those guys deserve
very bad things to happen to him. Yes. If severe things happen,
these men throughout the film and not just, hey, my wife
threw me out, that's like the most severe thing. You know, he's just going to
come home that, that. That same night, like nothing happened. So, so it just.
That's my biggest takeaway for this film is that you want bad things to happen
to these men, but it doesn't really happen. So if this was a dark comedy,
I think I would have enjoyed my time with it a little bit more.
You know, I honestly expected. So like,
Frank Langell is Probably the guy we actually spend the most time
with when I look at the movie, because you get the long scene of
him coming home, hearing the note that his wife
left him or soon to be ex wife left him. And when he's
the guy that sets them up with the brothel and
pays for everything too, which isn't cheap, even in $1986.
And then he goes off with Teensy, the Jennifer Jason
Lee character, and she paints his face and stuff. And he looks like
he's very smug and very. Just like, I'm above it all now. When he
comes back down and he's not wearing a shirt, just wearing suspenders
pants, all this almost like glam rock makeup on him
and like a handprint on his chest. And I'm like. I can
see him becoming like the.
Oh, God, the William H. Macy of
this group. I can see him like leaving the house and coming back with a
gun and killing everyone. He just is so off the reservation.
And I'm like, does nobody else see this? Like, he seems like he
is not in a state of bliss. It seems like he's in a state of
psychosis. Yeah, but at the same time, you know,
you do get that scene of him going home and nothing being there. So it's
almost like. Not that I'm not. I'm not gonna use the word, hey, he's free
now. But you know what? He is free in a sense to say he's not
attached to anything now, so why. Why not go have another debauchery
where girl's gonna paint my body and I'm gonna dance around like an.
With this girl and, you know, so I. I'll take it from
his character, you know? Oh, yeah. Not so much these other dudes,
you know. No, but like, I think he's as close to a protagonist as we
get, you know? But then you get like the weird with
Harvey Keitel where he needs the prostitute to marry him and all. I'm like,
please just stop with this stuff. I don't need this stuff at all. Like,
this movie might have been better for me without the Keitel character.
But then there are those weird little moments that I really like.
Like, you know, talking more about Langella or talking about the
Ann Wedgeworth character. Wedgeworth Wentworth, that she's got the little ventriloquist
doll with her the whole time. I'm like, this is just kind of fucked up.
I'm not sure where this is coming from, but I'm here for it.
Yeah. Yeah. It's just. That's like the the neatest
things to me, like, the. The odd quirks with the. With the prostitutes,
and it just, It. It. It lessens these
men's, you know, drives to be pricks, you know, so,
you know, when they kind of get the better of them,
it. I'm glad this part of the film was written outside the book because
it really, if that was it, you know, the. That's. That's where
the. The story stops him getting hit over the head with the frying pan.
Although I do want him to feel some kind of pain.
The other guys wouldn't learn nothing and that they're kind of learn stuff
through, you know, through these women. And not that
I'm rooting for them to be good or anything. It's just. You know what.
It adds something to this. To this machismo that
we really don't get in the next movie, you know? Yeah, well, in the machismo,
still there for me, like, especially when, you know, Ro Schneider's like,
oh, well, I'm gonna stick around here. Then he eventually leaves,
and that whole weird thing of him walking across the bridge
and then, like, the other guys just happen to be there and
join him. I'm like, okay, I thought you all took off in, like, the wedding
party. But. And it's. He's not even wearing the same outfit, so I'm like,
is this, like a later day, later time that he just happens to be walking
down this bridge and all the guys join him? That seemed very out of place
to me. And if anything, I think he's wearing the same outfit that he was
in that opening monologue that I talked about.
Yeah, I didn't need the Ocean's Eleven ending. That. That was. That was
strange, right? Yeah. And then that. It's just him and Wasson
and Dukes again. I'm like, okay, yeah, these are the. The three people
I would not have expected to end up, you know, like, Schneider starts
the movie, but he kind of gets lost a little bit throughout it,
but he will pop up again. And, yeah, he's just. Oh, my God,
is he posturing so much? Yeah,
that's. That's what it's all about, though. This. This whole movie is posturing and,
you know, being. Being pigheaded and just, you know,
all. All the above. And again,
I liked it because of the actors that were in it. It just.
It wasn't these actors. I would have turned this off about.
About 10 minutes, you know.
Yeah. Yeah, they really do. Save it.
Yeah. Thanks for bringing this to the table there, brother. I appreciate that.
Because I, I wouldn't have watched it otherwise. I would never heard of it otherwise.
So. Oh my gosh. Any, any final
thoughts on, on this film, the Men's Club? No, other than
it seems like a very strange time capsule. Like I,
other than seeing that poster image, I never read
about this movie, heard of it really before. So it was
an interesting thing to just, you know, kind of run across and be like,
holy, this is a, just a, such a strange film. Especially like
I said, 86. But you forget just how long
it took for women to get a lot of the same rights that they're trying
to have taken away now. It's like, this is amazing that these
guys were these macho assholes so much in
86 I was there. I don't remember it being that
bad, but apparently it was.
Yes, it's cruel, you know, it's pompous.
But at the same time the, the women in the end kind
of get the better of these, these group of stooges. So it
makes, it makes you want to keep watching it and these actors make you want
to keep watching it. So I'd say for, for me, it's a light
recommend to, to check it out. It's just in,
it's apparently streaming on Prime. I swear
it wasn't as of a couple weeks ago, but apparently it is now at
mgm. Plus if you get it, it's streaming on there. So if you
got either one of those things, I'd say go check it out.
Because I, I, yeah,
to your point. I don't even know if this was ever released on dvd.
I don't think it's out on Blu Ray. No, I don't think so.
I could somebody like Kino picking this up though, and, and putting some,
putting something out though. That'd be nice especially to have
somebody who knows more about Leonard Michaels, more about Peter
Madak. I mean, may, that's still with us. It'd be perfect to, to do some
commentary for it. And you know, I'm trying to think we've got a few of
these actors are still with us as well, so be great to hear from them
or Jennifer, Jason Lee, you know, I think they could do a really nice deluxe
set of this. Yeah, I, I, I'd buy it. I'd buy
it. Especially the, the way, you know, has sales and they say, hey, you know,
then they have, they have about 25 of those a year. So I like,
I got no excuse now not to buy this. It's just Exactly.
Yeah, that's the men's Club, though, like I said, a light recommend for me to
check it out if you guys have it available to you. But next
up, we go further into the toxicity
of the male psyche within the company of men.
Right. This trailer, in the Company of Men from
1997. Your cheap applause synopsis
is. Two business executives, one an awkward misogynist
and the other, recently emotionally wounded by his love interest,
set out to exact revenge on the female gender by seeking out
one of the most in the rest. Thanks, stupid thing.
One of the most innocent, uncorrupted girl they could
find in ruining her life. This stars Aaron Eckhart,
who you know from many, many things. Thank you for not smoking.
The dark knight he sees. And he's. He's. I like this
act. Matt Moy.
We'll say it again. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Can't forget one
of his best. Yes, indeed, Matt Malloy, who I only know for
a couple. I know was a character actor. I. I see him in things I
just got to meet recently Denise Richards at a convention, and he's
in Drop Dead Gorgeous, which is a film that I love. He's nice.
Yeah, the creepy guy with the camcorder. You know,
film. The film of those young girls, you know, it just. It just.
He's a guy that shows up in things and I. I always appreciate that,
Stacy. It's really weird to see him. Oh, sorry. I was just
gonna say it's really weird to see Matt Malloy in this one where he's,
like, still clinging on to that hair, like, you know
him for being bald. And he. You can tell in this movie you're like.
You're like six ways weeks away from being bald here. So,
yeah, let's get this down before you lose it all.
It's almost part of the character, though, I think, if I think
about it, you know, real deep, you know. Oh, my gosh.
But. And I just didn't write to recognize Stacey
Edwards as Christine. Maybe you recognize her from things.
I have no idea where she's in. No, I.
I really don't. And I was very surprised because I looked
her up and I think she has her hearing. So it's
very interesting. Like, 1997 was still okay
for a person with hearing to play a deaf woman,
which I don't think would really fly these days is
so strange, you know? Like, I don't know if we're going to go back to
that anytime soon where it's just like, oh, yeah, yeah, you can have whoever play
whatever. But it was just like, oh, because she plays
them Very. To me, convincing deaf person in this.
Movie, you're not wrong. Because I've
worked with a lot of deaf people in my time. My aunt worked for a
place called the New Hope center when I was much younger and that
worked with a lot of deaf people and a lot of mentally handicapped people.
So I've worked with a lot of deaf people in my younger days.
So I know the way they communicate, the way they talk. And it was pretty.
It was pretty good portrayal of a deaf person, I gotta say.
Yeah, this is
directed by a director that I recognize the name and I've heard reputations
about this person, Neil Abute.
Can you shine some. Some light on Neil before us, Mike, at all?
Well, Neil LaBute, I know that he is most.
Well, he's a playwright and this was one of his
plays, I think one of his most successful plays. I think he has gone
back to that as well. I actually tried to reach Mr.
LaBute for something we were covering, and I'm trying to remember
what it was. But, yeah, this was the movie that
put him in the spotlight back in 97. Really put
him on a whole different path in Hollywood. And really, it was not just
him, it was him and Aaron Eckhart. Because his first, I think like
three or four films, all. All had Eckhart
in there. I remember your friends and neighbors. And I don't remember what else
that he was in. And then,
yeah, went on to make the most notorious remake
of Our Age. And that, of course, is the Wicker
man with Nicolas Cage. So a lot of people
thought he had just. The butte. Had lost his freaking mind.
I think he's recovered from it, but I don't. I couldn't tell you anything that
he's done since then. That's what I know I'm from. And get.
You know, for as much as I love the 70s Wicker Man,
I don't hate the new one. But it's not. It's for all the wrong
reasons. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. All the wrong reasons why I like it.
You know, like I. I always say, every time Nicholas Cage drop
kicks a pagan, an angel gets its wing. You know, if this happens
in that. That Wicker man movie. So good. Yeah.
How'd it get burned? Yeah. So good.
Yeah. That performance, it makes. It makes
for a bad film, I guess. I guess you would call it.
But it's still better than the Wicker Tree. Okay. And I
tried Wicker Tree. I just. I couldn't get India. But, yeah,
I wish I could remember. Offhand what it was that we were going to.
I was trying to interview the beaut about because I was just
impressed that his person actually got back to me, so. Which is so
rare that someone even will write back with a no. I'm like,
thank you for just even acknowledging that I wrote to you.
But yeah, I really wish I could remember what it was because
I don't think we've really talked about anything that
he has worked on recently.
So maybe he was doing some sort of like, TV thing, because I think he
did some TV work as well. Okay. Yeah, but that's,
that's probably the thing I know him from is that Wicker man remake. And.
Oh, yeah, where have I heard this epic name from before? I couldn't tell you.
There it is, you know, the bees just going crazy.
All about the bees. Yes. But this,
this film itself, you know, I could see, you know, the playwright in it
because it kind of, kind of plays like that. Like I,
I, I. And I guess that, that aspect of I like,
you know, it's just that the whole, the whole idea, the whole idea of
these men, you know, in, in, in the end,
one of them really gets away with something. And we'll talk
about that in a minute about, you know, toxic males and female
doormats, apparently. But, but I'll
let you go first, Mike, In the Company Men. What are your thoughts on it,
sir? So I saw in the Company Men at theater.
I think it was playing at like a little art house theater,
either the main or the DFT here, Detroit Film Theater.
And I definitely. It definitely made a big impression on
me. There were a lot of things. One of them was how freaking good Aaron
Eckhart is. I know that he's supposed to also have very bad
reputation also with. Neil LaBute also has a bad reputation
from what I understand. But mostly Eckhart. And it sounds. He gets
to Method, I guess. I don't know.
Anyway, I remembered things
about this movie, but I didn't remember everything about this
movie. I most remembered more than how
awful they were to the woman or all women,
but the woman in this. I just remember the racism
really bothering me and the whole thing with Keith and
the big balls thing. I was just like, oh, my God,
that just blew my mind. And it
was with great hesitation that I suggested
doing this with the men's club because I knew I was going to have to
rewatch it after all these years. And I was dreading it.
But that's also a great thing. I think that the Butte really
did something here by making me dread this Art so
Yeah, I can see that, you know, having trouble re watching this movie
because it's the first time I watched it. And,
and yeah, the dialogue is very heavy. But I think
that this time they're making lots of films like this.
I, I think, you know, American Psycho was right around this
time. Stuff like even, you know, even younger people, The Rules
of attraction. What was around this time?
I'm trying to think of more but this, this was the time for toxic
dudes to be in movies and just be douchey about it. And if
I, I thought, yeah, you know, a film that. I love Doug
Lyman's Swingers. I love the film, but I recognize that
the men are doing wrong things in Swingers, but, you know,
it just was a time for this. But this takes it to, like, an extreme
to say, you know, you kind of believe it in American Psycho because it's kind
of like a satire. But this, this film kind of tells
you that, yeah, this is the way these guys talk.
And this is, you know,
almost like verbatim of what a.
A person could do to somebody else or
even somebody that's supposedly your colleague or maybe even your friend,
you know, because, you know, he doesn't come out
too good at the end of this either. And the, the whole time here in
our Aaron Eckhart's character is, is, is him over along
with, with, with over, you know, our. Our lady in this movie,
you know, and. Oh, yeah. Yes.
Nothing positive there at all. I mean, Eckhart is like one
of the great villains in this movie. He. It's like.
It's not like you see the machinations, you know, it's not like
you see where he's, you know, like, the things that you see him
doing all feel like they're coming out of this plan that he and
his bro took up. And like, oh, well, this is
the time where you're going to see us together. This is the time where you're
going to try to go on a date and she'll be with me. Like,
you see all of that, but then there's like, you know,
those are the machinations. There's also the Machiavelli on top of
it where it's like, oh, you didn't actually leave your girlfriend
or your girlfriend didn't leave you. Like, all of these things where it's like,
not only is he playing this game, but then
he's playing a game on top of it. For him, it's all a fucking
game. I think. I think he thinks this is the biggest Laugh of the century.
And he's going to be knee slapping this shit up with his next batch
of bros and he's going to get laughs out of it forever.
He, to me, in this movie, is one of the. The greatest villains
that we've ever seen on screen. Oh, yeah, and it's
so easy for him because he sees this girl who's incredibly
nice and incredibly shy. Easy target. He sees
his. His colleague who's this rube who
just got over, you know, relationship. So he's weak. He's just preying on
the weak this whole time. Oh, you know, it's not like you're rooting
for him, but he's almost like. Like a vulture looking
for. To find easy prey. And he. He sees that and there's
this guy, he sees that in this girl and, you know, the. The vulture
gets to eat in the end. It's all say about that, you know, and it's
just. It's. It's. That is. Go ahead. Sorry. Go ahead,
Gary. That is one of the most insightful things. You call him a vulture.
It's like thinking back, there's one scene with. After they hatch their
plan or they start to hatch it, like, Eckhart is
taller than the other guy. And I'm sorry, I just keep calling him the other
guy. I'm very sorry. But he's taller than Malloy.
And he's also got that huge chin. Like a very like,
prominent, heroic chin. You know, he's not Bruce Campbell, but he's getting
there. And there's. And so he's like kind of stands over him with that
chin. And you're right, he does look like a freaking vulture. There's one moment in
the movie where he's like reaching his arm back. He's holding on to a,
like a door frame. I'm like, yeah, he looks like he's got freaking wing to
angel of Death, this. This other dude. And that's what he does.
And the fact that and I, I put this together till just now. You're talking
about that. There's that scene where homeboy takes.
Takes the girl to like some kind of safari or something.
Yeah. It kind of goes together in a
way, like the creature looking for their prey kind of kind of thing.
And you know, it's just, oh, my God,
he's. He's awful. And. And he. He plays
it. He plays it so well. And in this film. But, you know,
again, another one where, you know,
you want. You want redemption for. For, you know, the weak guy,
but you don't really get it. It's just. It's just. No, it hangs
there. Oh, yeah. The way this movie
ends is like a slap across the face. It's like
the exact opposite of the men's club. It's like. Yeah, you feel like
these guys might have learned something at the end of the men's club. And this
one, like, yeah, it's just gonna learn what disappointment was. I could
tell you that. And you know. Oh, yeah. Nobody gets their comeuppance,
you know, like, I guess. I guess the.
The other guy. I guess Malloy gets the comeuppance, but,
like, Eckhart gets away with it. The thing that really gets me about the movie
is the way that Ecker can move around and talk to
different people. And he uses pretty much the same language. Sometimes a
little, like, thicker or less thick. Like when he
bonds with the. A hole at the company that they got sent to
and starts talking about the deaf lady.
And they just start. They are almost
instant comrades because they are tearing down somebody else
and just shit talking. And I'm like, this. This is
the world. Like, the whole world is all of these Aaron Eckharts. And he
can just come and go as he pleases and just make himself at
home anywhere, because everybody in this world is him talking
about other people in one of the most awful ways.
Just the insults when he starts doing that dolphin noise,
and it's just like, oh, I want to just strangle this.
But there is points of realism in the film too, because there.
There's. There's the point where he's talking to, I guess,
like a. Some kind of manager in training or like some kind of person in
training. And the guy literally makes him.
He literally makes the guy whip his balls out of the desk.
Oh, Jesus. And you know what? It's.
It's. It's that moment in the toy where, you know,
us. Bates makes. Makes Ned
Beatty Pulls Pants down just to
prove to you, yeah, this, this, this. This is the corporate world and
this is the way it works. You're gonna be that guy that's willing to do
things, you know, in a hard,
sick way. That guy was teaching
the other guy how it works. And, you know, yeah, it's. It's a sick reality,
but it's reality nonetheless, whether it's metaphorically or physically.
Yeah, you know? Well, it was this time,
watching it, that after that ball scene happens, I'm like,
that guy was just sexually assaulted.
Like, what he had, you know, like, I didn't have
words for it. Like, now I look at him like, oh, God, that's, that was
like a, almost a rape, the way that he was like, yeah, show me your
balls. And then how fucking long does that
shot go on? And you're just looking at Eckhart looking at these,
this guy's balls. And I'm like, I can't believe we're doing this
shot right now. And it just holds for so long. And I'm like,
wow, what a tour de force this is. And just how awful
and uncomfortable I feel the entire time. Like, you know,
I, I, I can't say that I liked the film Uncut Gems,
but like Uncut Gems, the way they shot that gave me a physical
reaction where I just was so upset and uptight the whole
time. This movie In the Company of Men also just,
just gives me like a visceral reaction to it.
Yeah, there is, there is a lot of tensity tense.
Is that a word? And intense stuff like that in this as well.
And I get the uncut gems thing there, there's parts in that film where
you just feel uncomfortable. And I think it's the way the softies did it and
you know, the, with the everything, everything about it, the way it's shot,
you know, and yeah, this thing, you are right.
He was, he was sexually assaulted. But, but at
the same time, you know, I'm not, I'm not behind closed doors. We live at
a time where we're, Matt Lauer was, was a
prestigious, you know, person of the media community and then
you find out, you know, that he had a rape button in his office that
would close the door and, you know, you would never guess that, you know,
behind. I, I hate to use rebind closed doors. This, this man was this
big of a shit pig. But I'm sure it's, I'm sure a lot
of this is very true in the corporate world. Not, you know,
metaphorically putting your, I mean, not physically putting your balls on the table,
but, you know. Yeah.
Weird stuff like this, you know. Yeah. The denigration,
the bullying, you know, this is bullying of these people.
And I'm one of the biggest ones to say, you know, because I, I've been
you. I'm sure you've been heavy all your life. I've been heavy all my life.
We grow thicker skins about certain things. I would love
to see people. Hey. Grow a thicker skin about certain
things because, you know, you can't, you can't throw hands at everything, you know,
because if it's real thin, you're going to get mad about a lot of Things.
But, you know, this. I think a thicker skin
in this world is necessary. And again,
the vulture aspect of it to him seeing her and him
and whoever else, really. Because you only really got that one interaction
with. With that. With, you know, the young. The young budding
executive who's willing to do anything because, you know, the next
guy might ask him to do something else entirely worse than that. Right. You know,
and I think that was. The sabotaging of
Malloy's character. Oh, yeah, the print was way too late. Like,
those things. Like, oh, man, that's when you're like,
oh, he's really doing all of this other stuff too.
And when you look at a movie like this, it's like, okay, we've seen this
story too many times now. Like, I'm trying to remember if it's
like, 10 things I hate about you or one of those movies where it's like,
yeah, we made a bet. You know, you were
part of a bet. Innocent girl. And then,
like, at the end, it always all works out where,
like, the girl that was the bet goes with the guy that was betting on
her or whatever. And it's like, all right, now they're happily ever after. And this
just takes it and flips it right on its ear. And you're like, oh,
yeah. No, this is much more of how it would have really gone if someone
was a bet with someone else. And it's fine,
you know, because in those movies, you know, they had. They. They find common ground
and they find love there. So when they get together and Heath Ledger gets together
with Julia Stiles at the end of that movie, you're like, yeah, you're kind
of for this, but the process getting there is like, yeah, it's kind of
up, but in this one, yeah, it's fucked up.
And then it gets more up. And then you get the end. You get
it. When I got to the end, I. I don't want you guys to watch
this movie, listeners. Because it's that way. It's good. When you
get to the end, the girl in question, the deaf girl,
is still with Aaron Eckhart at the end of this movie, where even after
she finds out everything. So, yeah,
so when I say lady doormat,
she. She is the doormat in this movie. And it
makes me sad. You get to the end of this movie, you know.
Oh, yeah. It is really something. And,
yeah, that. That end shot with him
screaming at her, and then
we get her POV of this madman with
his mouth just open and, like, those mute screams. And I'M like,
oh, to make him mute at the end of this.
To continue to take away all of his power and
all of his.
Oh, geez, what's the word I'm looking for?
His. His station in life is just like, wow,
that talk about being humiliated completely.
But yet at the same time, I still think that he is seen
as being in a better station than she is just because he's a man.
Well, that and, you know, his. His status and.
But at the same time, you kind of wish for. After she
views him screaming in her face unaudibly, that she'd
push his ass off the balcony. You want that? But, you know,
you. You don't get that because she's. That. No,
she's that complacent to where she knows she's been
abused. She knows she's been victimized. She's continued to being.
Being victimized by, you know, her. Him screaming at
her, although she can. She can relax, but she can't hear that
she's willing to stay with this utter piece of
human garbage, you know?
Yeah. And she. Does she know she's
the side chick? I kind of think she does. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, and she's still okay with it. And this.
This, unfortunately, I. I watched. I watched the army hammer thing,
okay. It blew my mind, The. The testimonies
of these women talking about, oh, he. He abused me
and, you know, he tied me up without my permission.
But at the same time, your ass came back. So do
I really feel pity for you that you came back to all this after complaining
about all of these things? And why'd you come back? Because he took you to
fancy dinners. He took you on fancy boats, and you have no backbone,
apparently, to say, I. I don't need this in my life.
So apparently this woman was at this point to say,
I don't need to. I. I need this in my life. So I'm just.
I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna stick it out, apparently. Right. You know? Right.
Again, it makes me sad for. For the female race
of women that I know exist like this, you know,
that they. They can hear. Whether they can hear or not, you know, it just.
It makes me sad. Well, men and women, because, you know, yeah, I've known
some. Some. Some. Some gay couples that have been in
physically abusive relationships just kept on staying because, you know,
took. It. Took them to parties and stuff. You know, like,
you get codependent on the other person and yeah, you just get,
you know, convince yourself that you deserve it, which is awful.
It's an awful feeling to, to think like, oh, I deserve to be miserable.
So that's why I'm staying here. And now, granted, I'm not. I'm not the ace
of relationship advice. I can't say that, hey, I've been in those situations,
because I haven't. But I know, I know how my human brain works. And if
that was me in that situation, like, no, I, I couldn't do it, you know?
Oh, my gosh, Mike, you. You've brought
it on us, man. That's fine. But.
Not a couple of feel good movies this
time. That's okay. It's. It' good discussion and that's all I care
about, you know. Any final thoughts about in
the Company of Men? Oh, man, it's.
It's not a surprise that labute
and Eckart, to varying extents, have had big careers
after this because, yeah, you just see how they handle
this material, and it is, it's really a master class.
You know, I talked about how the Men's club was such
a. You know, here's all these monologues and just these actors must have been,
you know, oh, yeah, I want to be in this movie so I can do
all these monologues. This is going to be great. Yeah, there are monologues
in. In the Company of Men, but it just, it feels much more
like you're watching performances. You know, we had all those freaking monologues
in the first movie, but this one, you feel like you get very cohesive performances
and really get understandings of these characters, even if
they're keeping you at arm's distance. Sometimes you really feel like you get
to know who these men are and just how they operate
and that there are probably so many of them in the world.
This is true. I mean, this, this, this,
this again. And you're down to two to two men in this film.
So I think it's a more concentrated effort to say that this is how
this guy works, is how this guy works. And you know, right from jump.
And it's a real, it's real testament to Aaron Eckhart's performance, like you said.
Yeah. As bad as he is, he's. He's really, he's really amazing
in this movie. This is playing this nasty man,
you know, who's manipulative. And I
wouldn't even call him crazy because he's fully aware of what he's doing that the
whole time he, he holds. There's, there's not a point in this movie where he
does not hold all the cards.
I I know everything's gonna gone. I know how this is gonna play out.
You know, I'm gonna be with women. I'm gonna get with this girl,
and. And you know what? I'm gonna. This girl, that girl, and that girl on
the side, and she's not gonna say nothing about it, you know,
so I'm not there for the. The character,
you know, because to say, hey, this is something I'm gonna look up to.
But as far as, like, playing this. This manipulative,
manipulative douchebag Eckhart is
tops, man. So I said,
don't watch this movie, because we gave away the ending, obviously. But you know what?
If you want to watch, you know, this. This type of guy and somebody
who's really great at being this type of guy, and in an acting
sense, it just. He kills it. He kills it.
Every sense of the word. So again,
light recommend for me and you can watch this on prime
too, if. If you so choose to, because I think I look for a physical
release, and it was. It was. It was hard to
find. I couldn't find a physical releases, which. It's made by Sony.
Yeah, so. And this was still during that. That golden
period of indie films in the. In the 90s. Like, this is only three years
north of Pulp Fiction. So this was still very much in that wave of
films, and a lot of those are difficult to find on physical
media. So, yeah, I'd say go check it out. And.
And, yeah, that's about the
end of this one. We'll come back and close out the show.
Harvey, want anything special for your birthday? Just a decent
cup of coffee. You're kidding. I'm serious, honey. Your coffee's
undrinkable. It's pretty harsh. Well, so's your coffee.
You know, the girls down at the. Office make better coffee on their hot plates.
Well, see you later. And he didn't
even kiss me goodbye. You know, if I could just make a decent cup of
coffee, I could relax. So relax. Why don't you try Instant
Folgers? Tastes good as fresh perked. Good as fresh perk.
I'll surprise Harvey for his birthday tonight.
Hey, great coffee. It's Instant Folgers.
Doesn't it taste good as fresh perked? Better. Better than those girls make
at the office. Honey, their coffee
can't hold a candle to yours. Instant Folgers
taste good as fresh perked. Try it.
All right, Mike, thanks for coming on again. I really appreciate
you taking the time. Like I said before, and, you know, you've been a friend
Since I started this goddamn thing, I always contribute,
you know, my podcasting psyche.
Although your work ethic is exponentially better than mine.
To two mics, you and Mike Murphy,
formerly of the Badass Boobs and body counts podcast, and to literally,
literally, you know, give me the hand. You literally gave me the handbook on podcasting.
You literally gave me the handbook on podcasting. I still
have the. The PDF file that I intend
to give to a friend, actually, who. Who's thinking about getting
into the game. And I was like, well, well, if I could find the file,
I'm going to give it to you, or I'll ask Mike for it. And it
does have a lot of helpful things in there. I should probably think about updating
it. I mean, it's probably so out of date. I mean, I still talk about
Skype in there, and unfortunately, that's about to go the way of the dodo.
Well, I looked at it recently, and it's still.
It's kind of like Lloyd Kaufman's book.
Everything I learned about the film, I learned from Toxic Avenger.
Right? Yeah. A lot of useful stuff with that book. And of
course, his make your own movie documentary series is his video
series. I take it as like that. To where a
lot of stuff may be outdated, but a lot. I'd say 90% of
it is still very useful to a podcaster.
Good. If you're friends with Mike and you want to reach out to Mike,
I'm sure, sure. I'm sure Mike will help you out there and, you know,
set you on the right path. And I. I always appreciate you putting
me on the right path, if that means anything to you. Oh, it definitely does.
Yeah. No, I. I really respect what you do, so I'm really.
It's making me feel all warm and fuzzy.
But, Mike, you got lots of going. Lots of stuff going on. I. I know
there's. There's a. Lots of theme podcasts
on there, so if you want to lay it all out for us, if you
want to. If you want to, go for it, man. All right,
let's see if I can remember everything here. So we just wrapped up the
Life of Times of Captain Barney Miller podcast, where we talked about Barney
Miller three episodes of that per episode of our show.
We are still doing the Shabby Detective, which is yet another
Columbo podcast, and we're still
doing Midnight Viewing, which is our horror anthology. We have
moved on from Twilight Zone and went over.
We did some Night Gallery. Now we're doing Tales of the
Dark side, and it's Fantastic. I've really been enjoying going back to Darkseid.
It's been great. And then, yeah, I think there's
a few others out there. And yeah, the Chasing Chevy Chase podcast,
which is one where we talk about a different Chevy Chase movie every month.
And then my usual haunt is the projection booth, which is available
like all those other shows atweeding way media.com and
yeah. Hopefully find something that you enjoy.
There's a lot there. I never asked
about this, but didn't you. And, like, a bunch of other guys were going
to do commentaries for the Columbo Blu Ray set or something?
You know, I. They went away. The commentaries or something.
Yeah, the commentaries did go away. I was not involved
in that. I was supposed to do commentary for the second set because I
missed the boat on the first set, I think.
I don't remember if I got. I don't think I got asked to
do it, but some friends of mine were like, oh, you should ask Mike White.
He knows a lot about this. I helped out all the people that were doing
the. Oh, no, that was the Kolchak commentaries that
did happen and that I gave out all the scripts for with the Columbo stuff.
No, I was supposed to be in the second set, but the first set
got released and without the commentary, something happened,
I think with Universal, where they're like, no, no, you can't put commentaries on
these discs. Wow. Okay. Yeah,
sorry. That was a very roundabout answer, Gary. No, no, no.
I thought. I. For some reason. I thought you were involved for
some reason. Yeah, I would have if that first set kept their
commentaries. That probably would have been on the second set, which was like the ABC
years. I gotcha. Yeah. I don't know which episode they would
have given me, but I think it probably would have just been one episode.
But I can tell you that Mike has a commentary on
the brand new Demolition man disc, right, for forever. Yes.
Yeah, Very happy with that one. So if you guys haven't bought
that that's out there for mass consumption right now, and I suggest
you go grab that and maybe have some Taco
Bell and. Or Pizza Hut, depending on what region you're in, and go.
Go enjoy that. That commentary that's on that massive
Arrow release that's out there right now. Yeah. It's a beautiful box, isn't it?
Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Same thing
to hear from me. I have an episode recorded,
but I was like two days old yesterday when I realized
I never released the last episode of Last Call of Torches, our Walter
Hill podcast. So you will hear the Undisputed episode
when that comes out sometime next week. And you will hear the.
The bonus for Undisputed, which was a
Charlie Band production. Arena, we did reviewed arena
for, for the bonus episode on the Legion Patreon.
Please support the Legion Patreon. You know, hosting fees,
all that stuff, it all goes to a good place.
Besides that, this next next show that comes up that you should hear and
I, I hate announcing things because stuff always happens and it comes
in. But the next one that you should hear is a brand new in the
Parade Way episode with John Cross where we
discuss the Parade jam with him.
Robert Dobby. And the
guy's name I cannot pronounce, but he played Shang Tsung in the, in the
Mortal Kombat film and carry
something. Yeah, I, yeah, I, I wouldn't try that on a
bet. Yes. And he's in the film called the. During the film called the Dangerous.
And this deserves a good release.
Again, another one of those films. There's a good release like a. Deserves a vinegar
syndrome treatment, in my opinion. But we're pairing that with our
VHS pick again, going back to Charlie Band again, doing Zone
Troopers. Oh, nice. I, I described
today as the, the most fun you'll have with the World War II film ever,
in my opinion, because I watch it today. And don't let
that cover art fool you with the fuzzy dude saying he wants you,
because it's just, it's just this wacky tale with the three
of the guys from Transfers and Timothy Van Patten and,
and going behind enemy lines in Italy in
World War II and they come across alien technology and,
you know, chaos ensues and lots of Nazis
get blasted. And that's always a good thing, right? Nazis get
blasted by Ray Gun. Oh, yeah, we can still say that. We are
still allowed to say that. But yeah,
that's coming up. It's always a good time with John Cross and.
But this is ral on this one. This has been your
Cindy podcast, where if you've got beef, I've got the grinder.
See you next time.
How about a nice easy pork
sandwich. Served in a dirty ashtray?