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politiek

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gesmeten

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voor

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prestige-projecten,

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klassieke

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politieke

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afweging.

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overheid

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kijkt

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naar

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het

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grotere

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plaatje,

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naar

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de

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maatschappelijke

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baten

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op

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de

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lange

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termijn.

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Maatschappelijke

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baten...

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dat

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klinkt

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heel

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officieel.

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Wat

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betekent

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dat

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nou

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eigenlijk

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in

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gewone

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mensentaal?

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Eigenlijk

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gewoon:

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wat

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levert

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het

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hele

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samenleving

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op?

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Dus

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niet

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alleen

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winst

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euro's,

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maar

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dingen

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schonere

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lucht,

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minder

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tijd

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file,

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betere

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verbindingen

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tussen

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regio's.

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Oké,

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heldere

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uitleg.

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spookvliegveld

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dan

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weer

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het

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tegenovergestelde.

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Een

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maatschappelijke

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last,

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haha.

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Haha,

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ja,

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dat

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een

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treffende

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omschrijving.

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Een

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rendabel

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spookvliegveld

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bestaat

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niet,

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denk

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ik.

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theorie

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wel,

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maar

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blijft

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frustrerend.

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Het

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voelt

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soms

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Haag

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nieuw

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bestemmingsplan

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tekenen

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zonder

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echt

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kijken

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naar

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directe

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gevolgen

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voor

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gewone

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burger.

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kritiek

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vaak

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hoort,

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elk

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plan

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voor

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zo'n

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grote

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nieuwe

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lijn

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knooppunt

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verschillende

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belangen:

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omwonenden,

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milieuorganisaties,

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bedrijven,

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de

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politiek

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zelf...

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Een

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knooppunt

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belangen.

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Mooi

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gezegd.

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Utrecht

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Centraal

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zaterdagochtend:

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georganiseerde

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chaos

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waar

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iedereen

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andere

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kant

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wil.

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precies.

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Een

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chaos

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heel

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duur

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langdurig

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bestemmingsplan

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eraan

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voorafgaand.

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Pfoe,

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nou,

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een

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heel

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technisch

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onderwerp

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weer.

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hebben

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gehad

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verschil

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tussen

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tram

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een

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lightrail,

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enorme

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kosten

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infrastructuur...

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...en

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de

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politieke

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spelletjes

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afwegingen

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achter

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controversiële

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projecten

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zoals

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Lelylijn

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Lelystad

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Airport.

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Van

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lokale

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tram

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naar

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landelijke

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miljardenprojecten.

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Inderdaad.

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Ik

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ga

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volgende

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keer

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toch

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anders

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naar

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tramrails

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kijken.

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Nou,

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weer

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vandoor.

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pak

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fiets,

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dat

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tenminste

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voorspelbaar.

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Haha,

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verstandig!

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Tot

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volgende

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week!

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Doei!