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Welcome to Plans Are Booked, a podcast for
every reader.

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I'm Molly Geller.

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I'm Stephanie Blackburn.

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And I'm Caitlin Madison.

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Welcome.

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We're here on a very rainy afternoon.

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And what better way to chat books and
spend the day than eating Steph's cookies

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and making her make me a London fog?

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Because why wouldn't I?

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I did, I feel like have a fair trade
though, because I did bring over.

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various different animals.

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She was a side -off to all the actors that
I had created.

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She was a split -up and she had one child
who was very close and I said, oh, I'm not

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in the office.

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So that's pretty cool.

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I assume that I'm now in the stand -up.

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No, I did.

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that I made out like a bandit in the
trade.

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But we...

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sinus infections.

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When we were recording, that's how
dedicated we are.

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The team was like, can we change things?

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Don't worry about it.

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Now I'm fully medicated on antibiotics.

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Spoiler alert to our

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on antibiotics.

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Spoiler alert to the Republicans, medicine
works.

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Um, and I'm feeling a lot better.

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Sassy, you know, the whole thing.

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Thursdays are my day off.

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I slept for 11 hours, woke up, made myself
eggs.

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even know if I did anything, and went back
to sleep.

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And just that was the day that things
really turned around for me.

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So I'm feeling a lot better.

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my life was pretty bright.

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My week was pretty much going to bed at
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work because my students just had a lot
going on this week and like being absent

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was not really an option.

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And so I just like powered through it.

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own my brother's office.

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That is less tedious as long as the
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like pretty manageable at home.

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But the kind of time that we can really
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and like...

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but the getting out of bed was really bad
and like, you know, the raw nose.

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I was like a faucet for like five days
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It was just, that was my week.

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I don't really have anything exciting to
report because, Oh, I had some really good

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pho.

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We went to my brother and I went to the
pho place that I took you guys.

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Jump and all of Charlie Crispin and
grabbed his leg out of field day and

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pulled his nose and he said, I'm scared.

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And it was like, because I had tried to
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totally

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I was just eating leaves.

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I felt like I was eating 20 -odd leaves.

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It was depressing.

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So the fog was like really on the fence.

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Oh, the other day I missed that.

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is the important fact was that I thought
that was interesting because I guess I

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didn't really that was anything I thought
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But I did think that was funny.

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I thought that was interesting because I
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I watched one day and before that we saw
all of us strangers.

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And so I have both of those playlists
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a long, long, long time.

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I'm just in the car, walking around, to
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It's probably the best day of the summer,
but it's fine.

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But that's it.

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80s heads, one day of science fiction.

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Well, that's it.

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Oh yeah.

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phah.

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That's it.

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That's all I got.

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that I baked cookies last night is my
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and made a quiche today no less.

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know, I anxiety bake.

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That's what I do.

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This week I was installing drywall.

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It was frustrating.

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Then I did two days.

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very heavy you're underselling this heavy
heavy stuff she's not just installing it's

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like she's the laborer and the installer

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My aunt is in the process.

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I've been helping her for the past year
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She's going to knock down, rebuild her
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the architect on the drawings.

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And then she would send them to me and I'd
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this.

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And she recently came to me and was like,
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And I was like, yeah, that feels about
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And time -lapse videos make it look like
it's just a piece of cardboard that

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you're...

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holding up in the air, but that is not the
truth.

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And then backer board, which is the thing
that goes behind tile and the bathrooms is

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a cement board.

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So that's probably, I don't know, three
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It's heavy, it's awkward.

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In order to cut it, you have to use a
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through cement and dust gets everywhere.

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I've had to wash my hair every single day
and I feel like Kelly Kapowski, but

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like...

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single day, so I can't even tell the
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It's okay, I have to wash my hands.

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It's an easy thing for me, so it's
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installed, although I did try my very best
to get it done because the flooring starts

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on the first floor on Monday, which means
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week while they are gluing and installing
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So it was sort of like a race to get this
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then we have a lot of time for all of you
to work.

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Okay, I wanna say though, we mentioned
this last week, and for those who are

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following us on Instagram, hopefully you
saw some of Steph's amazing video content

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that she does while she's at the house.

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But this week, you started doing these
epic voiceovers.

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of the videos that I am obsessed with and
now I just want you to do it every single

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time and I know it's more work and the
timing is really intricate and hard but

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they're freaking amazing.

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I think because I get so many like one
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I'm not like explaining things as I go.

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And while I would prefer to just stick a
song over a time lapse video, I think it

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makes more sense going forward for me to
be able to explain things to people.

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it should be on TikTok.

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No, that's, I can tell you the hashtags.

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It should be, you will get so many hits,
DIY, house building.

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I'm not going to name all of them, but I
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And it would be hits galore.

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fortitude strength time to also handle a
TikTok.

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anywho, that's me.

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Since we last saw each other, I went to
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I went for four days to visit my family.

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My sister and brother -in -law are
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took a little trip to investigate their
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So I flew down to help with the kids.

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I hit the jackpot on the weather, full
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whole side of the 75, 80, 30, 70 day.

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When he said that, he was a freaking
artist.

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And he was a lot of this stuff, very
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And I said, I'm not gonna lie.

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It was a great time.

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And it's so fun to be with that, because I
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There's a whole lot of We're really in the
making of the night, which is very nice.

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And I had been there since the beginning.

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And I had to do this.

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it was nice to have just like a chill
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And as I always do.

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on every one of your presentations, which
might be a bit of head -to assignment.

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I told myself, I'm not going to I thought
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do that a little bit more.

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You know, I'm not going Just make it a
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Sniffing them.

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Yeah, kind of.

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Yeah, it's like how I feel about Diet Coke
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Like I can't drink it, but I can be near
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But I have to say, my mom was with me and
we went into the kids section first.

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My cousin Tamar has a new baby and my mom
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baby's kind of first library.

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So I was helping with that.

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And then I found a children's book called
Fearless, all about Taylor Swift.

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I took a picture of it immediately and I
was like, Caitlin needs to see this.

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I'm sure that there are other children's
books about Taylor Swift that just

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happened to be the first one that I've
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So I felt like I was having a celebrity
sighting out in the wild.

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definitely never seen a children's book
about Taylor Swift.

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No surprise, okay.

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What are those books called from when we
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A little golden charm book, a golden...

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with the gold spines.

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They made like a spoof of one of those and
it's about Taylor Swift.

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A little golden book, is that what they're
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I'm gonna look it up.

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Sorry for the tapping.

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shout out to Books and Books, who is not
only an amazing bookstore in Miami, but

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hosts this incredible book fair every
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We mentioned that book fair when we talked
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Beverly Jenkins, the queen of sass was
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of the.

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authors that she met, including one that
sort of scoffed at her being in the

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developments channel.

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And she simply said, I have 60 books
published.

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How are they?

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So anyway, folks, the links are available
on your way to some form of other multiple

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divisions of entertainment.

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So even if you don't have time to go to
the store and get your job done.

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airport.

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very good.

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So Little Golden Books, they have an
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done to resurrect the childhood gem that
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Taylor, Beatles, Bee Gees.

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Oprah, Betty -

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Bruce Springsteen, Oprah, Betty White,
Dolly Parton, Harry Belafonte, Frida Kahlo

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and on and on and on.

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So they're back in biz.

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Little golden books have made a comeback.

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bookshelf for kids books like that.

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There's also that series called Who Is?

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It's like, who is Albert Einstein?

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Who is Michael Jordan?

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While I was at Books & Books, I saw the
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And it took an incredible amount of
restraint not to purchase it.

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So many things about the kid.

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My student's after the character project
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And I have this kid.

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I have this kid who I have been working on
since the podcast.

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His name is Alessandro.

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And he is the blue eye on Harry's College.

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is like blue -eyed, blonde hair.

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He's probably 20 by now.

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And he came up to me and he was like,
there's somebody on the courageous

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characters list that I would like to do.

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do it.

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He said if you had it, I don't think you
could pinch it to you.

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And I said, absolutely.

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Because a recent prank could be dead by
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Like, 100 % yes.

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I don't know why she's courageous yet, but
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I'm like, I'm from it.

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He did what I said.

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And then he ran back to his desk and was
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ran back to his desk group and was like,
she said I could do Aretha.

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It like, it was hilarious.

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That means that I'm not going to be able
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And to do it better is not.

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But I think you are happy to start and
finish.

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So I would be better.

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So I would be using it for like five
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than Wikipedia.

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So I let them use it for like biographical
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fun.

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I feel like if I am in a kid's section of
a bookstore, I usually am going for a

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specific thing.

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Like I know I'm getting something for
someone's baby shower or first birthday or

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whatever, but it was cool in this moment
with my mom to just be like, okay, if we

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had like a totally blank slate, what would
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And then I started noticing all of this
other like celeb stuff, which is very fun.

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So I know we are three of us in bookstores
all the time, but that was like an

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especially good, almost like mental
refresh of looking at stuff I hadn't

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noticed before.

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And how did they, like, where did they go?

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Germany?

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Germany?

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Carolina.

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Did they love it?

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They loved it.

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Oh, sweet.

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Yeah, so my brother -in -law, James, he's
probably not going to listen to this, but

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that's his name.

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James went to Duke and loved Durham then.

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And Emma used to visit him there quite
often.

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She went to school in Savannah, so not too
far a drive.

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And I don't think they had been back since
he graduated, to be honest with you.

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don't think they have a good accent to
graduate from GMC.

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So they stayed at the University of
Wisconsin close to campus and they did.

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out to breakfast, they went to a farmer's
market, they went to an art museum, they

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met up with friends for dinner.

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They just really loved it and they were
very pleasantly surprised how comfortable

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they felt there.

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And I think it's still in the South.

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And part of the reason that they're moving
out of Florida is because the political

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environment is so awful.

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And they were looking for somewhere a
little bit.

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calm.

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and they weren't quite sure how it was
going to feel while they were there, but

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they were really pleasantly surprised.

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So now they're like actively looking for a
rental apartment and they're going to like

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move forward.

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Well, I guess that that's great for them
and a win for you because it's closer to

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here.

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But maybe your parents maybe will be a
little sad or follow them or.

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that was in the woods, or something else.

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I will say I lived at flights from Boston
to California.

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And the cost, as compared to Boston, I am,
is like, it's a whole different, it's a

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flight's $29 an hour, so I'm like six
months out of here.

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And these flights, I tested them knowing
that my date's on the most expensive

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combo, I got to was $250.

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yeah, that's really great.

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That'll be that'll be really nice.

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restaurants in Durham on Instagram.

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I've never been there before, but when I
get there, I will only be eating at

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excellent places.

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She comes to prepare people.

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If anyone ever needs a restaurant
recommendation, Molly is a great person

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to...

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Like we don't need to care, message us, it
plans or book, it doesn't matter, just be

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like, I'm looking for a restaurant, Molly.

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And what her food dictionaries are in such
and such a city and she will hook you.

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I mean, Vegas, Patel will leave to DC,
whatever you need.

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Molly's previous blog, like...

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Molly's previous blog life.

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her spiritual reasons and all of the great
spiritual reasons.

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And she also mentioned that she had three
last moments where she was like, when I

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told her what I'd placed and I think that
happened.

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I'm not gonna lie, I have fantasized about
one day maybe being like a hotel

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concierge.

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Especially if you're in Boston, I think it
would be super -pervading, helping people

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figure out where to eat, what tracks to
go, where there's not to pay for, not to

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pay for, and like...

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just kind of tested it all especially
here.

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think that that could be like a really fun
like retirement thing for you to do like

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two days a week Molly just goes in and
there's like this boss concierge that'd be

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pretty cool.

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hotels that would like my expertise, this
is a great show.

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Well, that brings us to...

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that brings us to our topic today, which
is a topic instead of a particular book.

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It's Angeline Buhle.

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Yeah, it's Angeline Buhle.

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We love her.

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I'm going to let Steph intro this because
she's via her mom brought this lovely

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author and lady into our lives.

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to sit down here today, we were sort of
scrambling trying to figure out who owns

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the copy.

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And it turns out the Angeline's first
book, Fire Keeper's Daughter was actually

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my mother's copy that got passed around to
everybody back in 2021.

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The published story of a politician.

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of that book.

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It was a bidding war with 12 different
publishing houses and she got a seven

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figure deal.

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And on top of that, the Obamas won the
option to make it into, I believe, a TV

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series, although I was looking today and I
can't find anything updated.

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It said it was gonna come out in 2023.

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three, for now, it's four.

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So I'm going to stop.

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round of work.

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So I'm really excited this fall.

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I remember the voters coming to me and
saying that it could be a good thing.

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I've seen the issue and I'm so excited to
see this.

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And now, to the next thing.

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I was reading up on the first book.

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Did not know that.

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Yeah.

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So.

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premise of Fire Keepers Daughter, which is
the first book, the characters do somewhat

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carry over into the second book, is about,
is she 19 in that book?

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Donnis is, she is half white, half native,
and it takes place up in Michigan in the

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Sault Ste.

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Marie area.

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and she comes from a hockey family, but
she's sort of straddling the line of not

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quite fitting into the white realm and not
quite fitting fully into the native realm

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and kind of trying to find her place.

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And in the midst of it, there is, is it
her best friend that ends up killed?

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And there's sort of like a discovery of
underground drug.

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dealing and I also read that Angeline
somehow made it into a state cop training

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on how to make meth.

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This was her research for the project.

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this area of Michigan apparently has like
a huge meth issue and she deals with it in

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terms of like the lens of young adults and
teenagers and how it affects that

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population and like who sells it and how
you get it and

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of this, they're in the woods and this is
how they like to party and this is kind of

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like you can come across it pretty easily.

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And there's a lot of like this is how to
avoid it but also.

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lot of like, this is how to avoid it, but
also it's a little bit unavoidable.

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Um, and I think one of the other things
that needs to be said about Angeline is

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that she was part of Obama's
administration.

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So she was the director of.

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Indian education within the department.

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Director of the Office of Indian Education
at the US Department of Ed.

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So she was very involved with education
and then.

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I think she is a great leader.

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This is what she was.

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already in her 50s when this first book
came out.

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This is her first book.

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but she conceived of the idea when she was
18 and I think it just sort of like nested

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in her brain until she fully worked it
out.

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I forgot to say right off the bat that
these are technically both considered YA

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books.

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I know we mentioned before that neither of
them reads like a YA novel.

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home.

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The first book I read was Donna's.

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Donna's, I think, was really cool.

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It really cool.

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She was brilliant, and she was really good
at the game, so she was really happy.

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a struggle with like, am I more Hawaiian?

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Am I more indigenous?

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Where am I accepted more?

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Where do I feel more connected?

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And that kind of runs throughout the whole
book.

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And part of her identity is like, well,
you're Firekeeper's daughter.

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Like...

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identity is like, well, you're
Firekeeper's Daughter, like...

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feel that?

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You don't feel honored.

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I can tell you.

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You know, she's like, how?

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What am feeling?

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When does it happen?

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like, how, when do I feel it?

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When does it happen?

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Like, and so she's kind of, it's not until
she faces some obstacles that she really

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like fully understands like, okay, this is
where I come from, this is what I stand

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for, this is who I care about.

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So I think that that's really interesting.

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And I also feel like,

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Dogs, the TV show, came out.

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And so there's just this whole push of
more indigenous people to read books and

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media.

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a political party, and having to create a
party that needs people and has to vote in

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the interest of all of us.

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and acted out by indigenous people.

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And I think that that was just like some
really interesting timing.

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And also her first book won the Prince,
which is basically the Newberry Award for

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Young Adult Lit.

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She won a book.

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I read some words for it.

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It was increases YA, both of them.

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This book was kind of a hit on me.

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And I don't know if anybody's ever
actually recommended it to me.

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I just liked it.

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I loved it.

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We made money.

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But you and I were at a time when brothers
are number one.

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That's not how it's to be.

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There's a lot of people that are like
that.

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A lot of those people.

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have read it and a lot of those people are
people that don't typically read YA, which

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I think is really interesting.

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great that it's YA too.

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I love you so much in this box, and it
doesn't feel like a loving experience.

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It's like a very beautiful experience.

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Yes.

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Well, and I think that that goes along
with the aspect of her identity because

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the reader learns a lot as she's learning
a lot because she's trying to decide if

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she's like wanting to actually be like a
member of an official member of her tribe.

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this isn't a book I would have ever picked
myself.

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It has a very actually eye catching cover,
I think.

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But I don't think I would have grabbed it
on that alone either because it would have

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been in the YA section where I actually
saw it in a bookstore today in the YA

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section.

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And also she was an unknown author to me.

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Like there were just a lot of reasons that
I wouldn't have gravitated towards it.

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And both of you loved it so much and I
fully trust your recommendations.

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And I found myself being like, I'm so glad
that I did do this because I learned a

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ton.

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And also I felt like it was, um, like a
topic that I would never have otherwise

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pushed into, if that makes sense.

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Like not just that part of the country or.

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the hockey part was pretty important for
the identity of such a strong country.

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different than anything else that I would
normally read.

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And I was really grateful for it.

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I felt like it shoved me into like another
kind of education and learning and just

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made me think about things that I
otherwise wouldn't have been able to think

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about.

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And in both of the books, she oftentimes
will write in the native language.

446
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And I've talked about this, I think on the
podcast before that.

447
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but some of my friends also mentioned that
she writes a lot of this content in

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Spanish.

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And...

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find that so meaningful because it's like
his native brain and he's sharing things

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as the way that it feels most real and
true to him.

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And even though I don't intrinsically
understand a lot of the things that she

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shares and she does put definitions of
certain things.

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I was so glad that she pushed forward and
did that.

455
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Even if 99 % of the people that read it do
not understand upon first reading it, like

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it's real to her.

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And I thought that was a little
especially.

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I feel like we should say that the second
book,

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Donis is in it, but she's no longer a main
character.

460
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It's a couple years later and it's her
nieces who are the main characters.

461
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Oh.

462
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Warrior Girl Unearthed.

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Her nieces are twins.

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They are Perry and...

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Thank you.

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Perry is the protagonist and there is a
summer program where you have to work

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within...

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Oh my God, I can't even think.

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Yes.

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kind of the tribal association.

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like you try to, you give time to your
community, essentially.

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pick, but she waited too long, hoping that
she wouldn't have to do it and got kind of

473
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dumped with this oddball slash amazing
museum director type character, um, who is

474
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like the best sidekick, sort of like a
fatherly figure, quirky.

475
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He was, he was absolutely the right
character for this, um, to sort of steer

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her through her.

477
00:25:31,820 --> 00:25:37,120
deciding to learn about her own background
and people.

478
00:25:37,300 --> 00:25:44,880
And I have listened to a lot of podcasts
that deal with MMIWG2S, which if you don't

479
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,100
know what that stands for, it is, oh God.

480
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,480
Thank you.

481
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,540
Women, Girls, and Two -Spirit.

482
00:25:52,540 --> 00:25:57,930
I've been waiting for HBO or Netflix to
come out with like a docu -series where

483
00:25:57,930 --> 00:26:00,120
they actually go into cases of missing
people.

484
00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:01,596
And I don't know why.

485
00:26:01,596 --> 00:26:03,656
they haven't.

486
00:26:03,696 --> 00:26:05,056
It's imperative.

487
00:26:05,516 --> 00:26:10,376
So if you're all feeling bad, I'm not
going to go into too much detail, so just

488
00:26:10,376 --> 00:26:12,004
with that, I'll just work on the topic.

489
00:26:12,004 --> 00:26:15,344
is Blood Sisters by Vanessa Lilly.

490
00:26:16,284 --> 00:26:23,204
So if you're into that topic and just sort
of interested in more books that have

491
00:26:23,204 --> 00:26:28,964
native words and sentences woven
throughout, definitely pick those up.

492
00:26:28,964 --> 00:26:32,132
I wanted to read the...

493
00:26:32,364 --> 00:26:38,814
there's like a division of groups of
chapters within this second book that they

494
00:26:38,814 --> 00:26:44,424
just struck me sort of like lightning to
the point where I realized that I am

495
00:26:44,424 --> 00:26:46,964
completely ignorant of artifacts.

496
00:26:46,964 --> 00:26:50,764
I don't know why, but when I go to museums
and look at artifacts, I'm not thinking

497
00:26:50,764 --> 00:27:00,124
about the story of the people who lived
with those items, like in this specific.

498
00:27:00,460 --> 00:27:05,450
sort of scenario, I want us to end this or
at least ask it to the end.

499
00:27:05,450 --> 00:27:09,488
I want to think about who made them, who
wore them.

500
00:27:09,512 --> 00:27:12,056
who made that, who wrote that.

501
00:27:12,056 --> 00:27:18,556
just sort of like objects that sort of
exist in a glass case in a museum.

502
00:27:19,416 --> 00:27:24,386
And so this book just made me feel so
stupid for not actually thinking about

503
00:27:24,386 --> 00:27:30,852
those stories and how many items have been
stolen or

504
00:27:31,588 --> 00:27:33,302
dub up.

505
00:27:34,528 --> 00:27:36,158
dug up.

506
00:27:36,256 --> 00:27:37,816
from their graves.

507
00:27:37,816 --> 00:27:42,016
And so there was this one section, I
actually posted it on Instagram when I was

508
00:27:42,016 --> 00:27:43,496
reading it.

509
00:27:43,496 --> 00:27:48,886
This is at the sort of the beginning of
the book and it says, this is not fiction

510
00:27:48,886 --> 00:27:49,396
at this point.

511
00:27:49,396 --> 00:27:54,736
These are quotes that are meant to sort
of, I think they're meant to jar you, you

512
00:27:54,736 --> 00:27:54,964
know?

513
00:27:54,964 --> 00:28:01,620
And this all has to do with areas in which
we don't exist, or the museum guide.

514
00:28:01,620 --> 00:28:05,510
she does with this quirky museum guy who
is...

515
00:28:05,812 --> 00:28:10,312
things go back to the way they used to be,
including the title of the Victoria's

516
00:28:10,312 --> 00:28:11,272
Garden.

517
00:28:11,632 --> 00:28:16,972
There is a warrior in the world, she is
able to get back to the proper place she

518
00:28:16,972 --> 00:28:17,912
belongs.

519
00:28:18,092 --> 00:28:24,572
As we know, indigenous burial grounds are
in various different places and a lot of

520
00:28:24,572 --> 00:28:28,752
people have not enough in fact that they
shouldn't.

521
00:28:28,752 --> 00:28:29,430
And honor...

522
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:31,662
being back where they should be.

523
00:28:36,612 --> 00:28:43,192
so this one says you have significantly
more deceased Native people in boxes on

524
00:28:43,192 --> 00:28:48,502
your campus than the number of live Native
students that you allow to attend your

525
00:28:48,502 --> 00:28:49,712
institution.

526
00:28:50,072 --> 00:28:54,762
This is from Shannon O 'Loughlin, chief
executive of the Association on American

527
00:28:54,762 --> 00:28:57,952
Indian Affairs in a letter to Lawrence S.

528
00:28:57,952 --> 00:28:59,034
Bacow.

529
00:28:59,250 --> 00:29:03,820
president of Harvard University, February
18, 2021.

530
00:29:04,260 --> 00:29:07,480
That's the part that upset me the most is
like, this is present day.

531
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,272
This isn't like 100 years ago.

532
00:29:13,144 --> 00:29:23,714
and I knew shockingly little about the
laws around it and like the restorative

533
00:29:23,714 --> 00:29:29,084
practices that are like trying to happen
and the arguments and fights that people

534
00:29:29,084 --> 00:29:31,826
are having all the time.

535
00:29:31,916 --> 00:29:39,476
Um, and I sort of knew a little bit about
it, but in terms of the legality of it, I

536
00:29:39,476 --> 00:29:45,366
didn't realize that it had been way more
outlined and like it should be an easier

537
00:29:45,366 --> 00:29:49,736
process for a lot of these people to get
back what rightfully belongs to them.

538
00:29:49,736 --> 00:29:56,396
So each of those chapters that has
snippets of like, you know, either legal

539
00:29:56,396 --> 00:29:59,332
documentation or letters or, you know,

540
00:29:59,332 --> 00:30:02,862
declarations of like here are the facts
and like we still don't have what we

541
00:30:02,862 --> 00:30:08,240
should have was really, I thought,
compelling and also...

542
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:15,970
I thought compelling and also I really
want a lot more young people to read this

543
00:30:15,970 --> 00:30:23,450
because they They have a lot of power and
a lot of followers and a lot of what not

544
00:30:23,450 --> 00:30:26,532
what have you on social media and I feel
like

545
00:30:30,832 --> 00:30:35,372
cause a conversation for the classroom and
I feel like the second book would probably

546
00:30:35,372 --> 00:30:38,060
be a quote -unquote safer

547
00:30:38,060 --> 00:30:42,520
book to discuss in school because it's not
talking about drugs like the first one is.

548
00:30:43,020 --> 00:30:47,080
So hopefully there's teachers out there
listening to this that think about, you

549
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,630
know, if you're teaching high school,
picking that book as your summer reading

550
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:55,344
or something because it would start so
many important conversations.

551
00:30:55,344 --> 00:31:01,064
also think the way that she chose to write
the second one where Perry herself who is

552
00:31:01,064 --> 00:31:05,754
inside the tribe and is part of all these
rituals and wants to honor her ancestors

553
00:31:05,754 --> 00:31:11,274
she herself didn't know many things about
how this went down and what the laws are

554
00:31:11,274 --> 00:31:16,784
now in the US so I think as the reader you
get sort of like

555
00:31:16,868 --> 00:31:18,168
You're going along with her.

556
00:31:18,168 --> 00:31:21,708
So even if you have that, like, you can't
believe it, you know, because it's like,

557
00:31:21,708 --> 00:31:23,018
she also didn't know it.

558
00:31:23,018 --> 00:31:28,908
And she's inside that culture, herself,
which I think is for people who are

559
00:31:28,908 --> 00:31:34,028
totally new, to also think like, okay, I'm
learning a lot more.

560
00:31:34,028 --> 00:31:37,508
I it makes you feel almost like you've
invited into this world.

561
00:31:37,508 --> 00:31:41,718
And I know why, too, it's not part of the
shame around it, but it's not part of the

562
00:31:41,718 --> 00:31:42,422
tenancy.

563
00:31:42,664 --> 00:31:46,224
like how far scaling this situation is.

564
00:31:46,304 --> 00:31:51,084
I think the way she's written it, it
allows you to really hear all of those

565
00:31:51,084 --> 00:31:57,954
things that are very true without getting
so disturbed that you stop reading.

566
00:31:57,954 --> 00:32:01,634
Like you're definitely shaken, but you
want to keep going because you want to

567
00:32:01,634 --> 00:32:05,704
understand how she's going to reconcile
this with inside of herself and what kind

568
00:32:05,704 --> 00:32:08,084
of role is she going to take going
forward.

569
00:32:08,084 --> 00:32:11,494
And there's a moment where she kind of has
an opportunity to like,

570
00:32:11,494 --> 00:32:14,814
accelerate through the end of her time in
high school and she's thinking about will

571
00:32:14,814 --> 00:32:15,324
she do that?

572
00:32:15,324 --> 00:32:15,954
Will she not?

573
00:32:15,954 --> 00:32:18,524
What kind of professional career will she
pursue?

574
00:32:18,524 --> 00:32:22,284
And she really wants to try to make things
right for her own community.

575
00:32:22,284 --> 00:32:27,614
And I think it ends on a note where you as
the reader have this sort of opening to be

576
00:32:27,614 --> 00:32:32,304
like, if there's anything I can do to get
smarter about this or tell more people

577
00:32:32,304 --> 00:32:37,964
about this, I should do that so that more
people fully understand what the situation

578
00:32:37,964 --> 00:32:38,698
is.

579
00:32:43,052 --> 00:32:50,132
I also think that even though this isn't
technically a series, I would recommend

580
00:32:50,132 --> 00:32:55,252
reading Firekeeper's Daughter first, which
is the chronological order that the books

581
00:32:55,252 --> 00:33:01,842
came out, because Angeline Booly spends so
much time with the setting in the first

582
00:33:01,842 --> 00:33:09,162
book, and you really learn what it's like
to live in an indigenous area of the

583
00:33:09,162 --> 00:33:10,952
northern United States.

584
00:33:10,972 --> 00:33:11,500
And...

585
00:33:11,500 --> 00:33:15,930
I don't know a ton about Michigan, but the
book takes place right on the Canadian

586
00:33:15,930 --> 00:33:16,580
border.

587
00:33:16,580 --> 00:33:19,910
It's very much like, this is how we get
through the winter.

588
00:33:19,910 --> 00:33:23,480
Hunting is still part of our everyday
lives.

589
00:33:24,260 --> 00:33:27,600
Hockey is really big there because they
have ponds.

590
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,540
They don't have to wait for a rink time.

591
00:33:29,540 --> 00:33:35,230
There's just a lot of niche things that I
feel like you learn that in the second

592
00:33:35,230 --> 00:33:39,920
book, it's almost assumed that you know a
little bit about it and you know a little

593
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,764
bit geographically about...

594
00:33:53,980 --> 00:33:59,570
was so interesting to me is that you have
to take a ferry to get from the island to

595
00:33:59,570 --> 00:34:03,560
like everything else like I can't even
imagine one the cost

596
00:34:04,428 --> 00:34:09,048
to the time you have to make sure you're
there for the time the ferry's gonna be

597
00:34:09,048 --> 00:34:09,748
picking you up.

598
00:34:09,748 --> 00:34:13,628
And if you miss it, then well, guess you
missed whatever you needed to get to on

599
00:34:13,628 --> 00:34:14,788
the other side.

600
00:34:14,788 --> 00:34:23,878
Just how inaccessible we have made
transportation and movement for native

601
00:34:23,878 --> 00:34:28,352
people was sort of staggering to me.

602
00:34:28,352 --> 00:34:33,992
And what's interesting is they do like a
safe passage ritual every single time they

603
00:34:33,992 --> 00:34:38,892
come or go, which I thought considering
it's like a barrier between them and the

604
00:34:38,892 --> 00:34:44,352
rest of their broader community, they
still view it as a gift, like to travel

605
00:34:44,352 --> 00:34:47,742
safely back and forth, even though it's
this thing that isolates them and makes

606
00:34:47,742 --> 00:34:52,342
them less capable of access to food,
access to health care, all of those

607
00:34:52,342 --> 00:34:52,992
things.

608
00:34:52,992 --> 00:34:56,522
I did want to read one thing that I
discovered at the very end of the book in

609
00:34:56,522 --> 00:34:57,728
the author's note.

610
00:34:57,728 --> 00:34:58,968
which I thought was kind of interesting.

611
00:34:58,968 --> 00:35:03,628
She wrote, the story behind Warrior Girl
Unearthed began in 2018 on Twitter.

612
00:35:03,628 --> 00:35:07,728
Someone tweeted an idea for a Lara Croft
movie, quote, but she's native and

613
00:35:07,728 --> 00:35:10,468
returning artifacts that museums stole,
end quote.

614
00:35:10,468 --> 00:35:12,608
It was a great movie idea, but that's all
it was to me.

615
00:35:12,608 --> 00:35:16,618
My focus was on completing Firekeeper's
Daughter and getting a literary agent for

616
00:35:16,618 --> 00:35:20,388
the indigenous Nancy Drew story that had
been in my mind since I was 18 years old.

617
00:35:20,388 --> 00:35:24,488
Flash forward a year, I now had an agent
and spent the summer of 2019 revising

618
00:35:24,488 --> 00:35:25,792
Firekeeper's Daughter.

619
00:35:25,792 --> 00:35:29,362
Our plan was to submit the manuscript to
editors that fall after 36 years of

620
00:35:29,362 --> 00:35:32,362
working on the story of my heart, I could
tell there was a light at the end of the

621
00:35:32,362 --> 00:35:33,032
tunnel.

622
00:35:33,032 --> 00:35:33,832
But what next?

623
00:35:33,832 --> 00:35:37,122
Writing a sequel with Donnis's next
adventure felt more exhausting than

624
00:35:37,122 --> 00:35:37,952
exciting.

625
00:35:37,952 --> 00:35:39,992
Perhaps all I had in me was this one
story.

626
00:35:39,992 --> 00:35:41,752
I could be satisfied with that.

627
00:35:41,752 --> 00:35:45,172
Then one Sunday while on a long walk, a
voice popped into my head.

628
00:35:45,172 --> 00:35:48,762
I stole everything they think I did, even
some of the stuff they don't know about

629
00:35:48,762 --> 00:35:49,552
yet.

630
00:35:49,552 --> 00:35:50,682
I stopped in my tracks.

631
00:35:50,682 --> 00:35:54,166
Who was this defiant girl and what else
was she going to reveal?

632
00:35:54,176 --> 00:35:58,256
I ran into the nearest business and hardly
asked for a pen, paper, and a chardonnay.

633
00:35:58,256 --> 00:36:01,596
For the next few hours, I wrote the inner
monologue of a teen girl sitting in a

634
00:36:01,596 --> 00:36:04,656
police station waiting for her parents and
wondering how she got herself into this

635
00:36:04,656 --> 00:36:05,516
mess.

636
00:36:05,722 --> 00:36:08,542
can you say the number of years again?

637
00:36:09,702 --> 00:36:16,502
To any writer out there, that is a
reminder to keep on writing and keep on

638
00:36:16,502 --> 00:36:19,287
trying until it gets made.

639
00:36:23,564 --> 00:36:32,844
I am so grateful for the writing for these
books and also I want to ask a lot of

640
00:36:32,844 --> 00:36:37,168
questions and I want to know how you guys
are doing.

641
00:36:37,168 --> 00:36:41,048
I want to know what it was like being part
of the Obama administration.

642
00:36:41,048 --> 00:36:46,688
And I want to know how you get into that
and like what it was that she was doing

643
00:36:46,688 --> 00:36:48,008
during that time.

644
00:36:48,008 --> 00:36:50,678
And because I'm like, I'm going to be
totally honest.

645
00:36:50,678 --> 00:36:54,388
I didn't even know that that was a
position within these United States.

646
00:36:54,388 --> 00:36:57,430
Like I didn't know that we had somebody
doing that work.

647
00:36:57,430 --> 00:37:00,194
just wanted to talk about the son of a
business.

648
00:37:00,194 --> 00:37:03,444
just want to talk to her and ask her 100
things.

649
00:37:05,424 --> 00:37:10,194
Well, please let us know if you read these
books, because we obviously are really

650
00:37:10,194 --> 00:37:12,604
passionate about them and we think that
you'll like them.

651
00:37:12,604 --> 00:37:21,264
And I do think that these books are for
men, women, boys, girls, non -binary, like

652
00:37:21,264 --> 00:37:23,004
young, old, whatever.

653
00:37:23,004 --> 00:37:26,636
I think that if you maybe had like,

654
00:37:26,636 --> 00:37:29,016
a kid that was in fourth or fifth grade.

655
00:37:29,016 --> 00:37:31,116
I think if you read it to them, they can
handle it.

656
00:37:31,116 --> 00:37:32,436
I honestly do.

657
00:37:32,436 --> 00:37:36,176
I don't think it's anything that they
don't hear on the news.

658
00:37:37,216 --> 00:37:44,496
And I just feel like it's a part of
American history that we don't really know

659
00:37:44,496 --> 00:37:48,636
a lot about and that it should be more
present.

660
00:37:48,636 --> 00:37:53,302
And I think that this is a really good.

661
00:37:54,156 --> 00:38:00,496
kind of segue into learning more about it
in like a, not family friendly is the

662
00:38:00,496 --> 00:38:02,656
wrong phrase, but like in an approachable
way.

663
00:38:02,656 --> 00:38:05,716
I mean, a lot of people are like, oh, I
don't want to read nonfiction.

664
00:38:05,716 --> 00:38:11,176
And this isn't nonfiction, but it's
historically accurate fiction.

665
00:38:11,216 --> 00:38:16,316
So I would recommend it to basically
everyone.

666
00:38:17,276 --> 00:38:19,772
Should we talk about what we're reading
right now?

667
00:38:19,772 --> 00:38:25,952
a couple weeks ago, someone brought up Ali
Hazelwood had a new book out called Bride

668
00:38:25,952 --> 00:38:33,362
and I was in Target the other day and they
had it 20 % off so I put it in my cart and

669
00:38:33,362 --> 00:38:35,592
then I read it in two sittings.

670
00:38:37,112 --> 00:38:44,432
I have not read a vampire werewolf book I
believe since the Twilight series which

671
00:38:44,432 --> 00:38:45,856
was...

672
00:38:46,878 --> 00:38:48,428
I don't know.

673
00:38:48,448 --> 00:38:49,348
16 years ago?

674
00:38:49,348 --> 00:38:51,944
Is that how long ago Twilight came out?

675
00:38:51,944 --> 00:38:56,864
used to read those books when I was taking
the bus to my advertising agency job,

676
00:38:56,864 --> 00:39:00,724
which was 2011 to 2014.

677
00:39:00,724 --> 00:39:03,064
So sometime around then.

678
00:39:03,328 --> 00:39:10,128
so this is an adult romance book or adult
fantasy.

679
00:39:10,128 --> 00:39:11,388
Is this romantasy?

680
00:39:11,388 --> 00:39:13,708
Yes, let's say yes.

681
00:39:14,408 --> 00:39:23,158
The protagonist, her name is Misery and
she is a vampire and humans, vampires, and

682
00:39:23,158 --> 00:39:28,728
werewolves all know about each other but
they live in very different areas.

683
00:39:29,420 --> 00:39:33,420
couldn't quite tell what city this was
supposed to take place in.

684
00:39:33,580 --> 00:39:39,880
But they have this sort of system where in
order to not have any fights break out,

685
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:47,860
higher ranking members of the government
have to basically exchange a person from

686
00:39:47,860 --> 00:39:52,570
their cabinet or not cabinet, but like, so
basically she was sent when she was a

687
00:39:52,570 --> 00:39:58,200
child to go live with the humans as like,
if anything happens to her, then we get to

688
00:39:58,200 --> 00:39:59,244
kill your

689
00:39:59,244 --> 00:40:02,784
exchange, like an exchange student except
not a student child.

690
00:40:03,644 --> 00:40:06,624
So she's never really had an agency over
her life.

691
00:40:06,624 --> 00:40:10,864
And she became friends with a human and
the human has gone missing.

692
00:40:10,864 --> 00:40:13,044
She's a journalist, her best friend is a
journalist.

693
00:40:13,044 --> 00:40:21,144
And so when a marriage of convenience is
proposed between her and the alpha of the

694
00:40:21,144 --> 00:40:28,620
were werewolf group, and she finds out his
name, which are the initials.

695
00:40:28,620 --> 00:40:32,630
that were left in her missing best
friend's notepad.

696
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:36,590
She's like, yes, I will marry him because
she wants to figure out where the heck her

697
00:40:36,590 --> 00:40:38,240
missing best friend is.

698
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:43,200
So she marries him and has to go live in
the werewolf territory.

699
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:49,510
And there's some saucy stuff, which was a
little bit weird because she's got pointy

700
00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:51,120
ears and he is werewolf.

701
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:52,320
So.

702
00:40:56,510 --> 00:40:57,488
I'm

703
00:40:57,488 --> 00:40:59,276
just tried to speak and could not.

704
00:40:59,276 --> 00:41:05,452
I asked Steph.

705
00:41:08,588 --> 00:41:10,968
I mean, you read it in two synnims.

706
00:41:11,228 --> 00:41:16,268
I, before the podcast started recording, I
said to Steph, am I going to like it?

707
00:41:16,268 --> 00:41:18,448
Because sometimes she says like, this
one's not for you.

708
00:41:18,448 --> 00:41:21,988
Like it's too many fairies or whatever it
happens to be.

709
00:41:22,528 --> 00:41:24,828
And, um, right.

710
00:41:24,828 --> 00:41:26,928
I tried, I tried.

711
00:41:26,968 --> 00:41:27,868
I really tried.

712
00:41:27,868 --> 00:41:32,048
Cause everybody on the internet just peed
their pants about that series.

713
00:41:32,048 --> 00:41:34,918
Um, and she said, yes, I think you will.

714
00:41:34,918 --> 00:41:36,492
So I am going to give it a whirl.

715
00:41:36,492 --> 00:41:42,722
and either or anything about this faculty,
the closest I've gotten is working with

716
00:41:42,722 --> 00:41:45,852
practice and anything that you have to
talk about.

717
00:41:47,272 --> 00:41:51,722
But I will not be centering toward either
of them because it's also...

718
00:41:51,722 --> 00:41:54,752
into what I'm reading because it's also.

719
00:42:06,492 --> 00:42:09,536
you just tell the people how many pages
are in this book?

720
00:42:10,860 --> 00:42:14,540
It's like 640 around that.

721
00:42:14,540 --> 00:42:20,070
On the back, hold on, I just, I wanna get
this right because I had never heard this

722
00:42:20,070 --> 00:42:21,660
term before.

723
00:42:22,860 --> 00:42:23,806
Fans of.

724
00:42:23,806 --> 00:42:25,076
not be disappointed.

725
00:42:25,076 --> 00:42:30,136
So these books, when they're like two to
five hundred pages, are called doorstop

726
00:42:30,136 --> 00:42:31,256
epitancy.

727
00:42:31,256 --> 00:42:32,036
I get that.

728
00:42:32,036 --> 00:42:34,276
Who uses the book as a doorstop?

729
00:42:34,276 --> 00:42:36,016
I don't think it's decided.

730
00:42:36,016 --> 00:42:37,196
Nobody has.

731
00:42:37,516 --> 00:42:38,426
That's nice to hear.

732
00:42:38,426 --> 00:42:40,316
That's like, from the beginning.

733
00:42:40,476 --> 00:42:42,416
I think that's...

734
00:42:42,416 --> 00:42:45,316
I think one is best met.

735
00:42:45,316 --> 00:42:48,748
Anyway, so it's book one.

736
00:42:48,748 --> 00:42:56,538
anyway, so it's Book one this author is
another late in life author He had one

737
00:42:56,538 --> 00:43:03,428
other book series that I have not read
This how do I describe this book?

738
00:43:04,208 --> 00:43:08,568
It brought it the beginning of it really
reminds me of six of crows in terms of

739
00:43:08,568 --> 00:43:11,492
like there's an orphan and he's like

740
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,400
And by the secret, it doesn't happen
often.

741
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,200
But now, it's a little scary.

742
00:43:18,380 --> 00:43:20,940
So six of crows, I would say.

743
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,180
But his secret is that he's a prince.

744
00:43:24,180 --> 00:43:30,310
And his parents were killed by people
that, I don't know who they are, but his

745
00:43:30,310 --> 00:43:31,740
parents were killed.

746
00:43:31,780 --> 00:43:33,590
And so he's basically...

747
00:43:33,590 --> 00:43:34,220
killed.

748
00:43:34,220 --> 00:43:40,170
And so he's basically like out for
vengeance and he's like undercover.

749
00:43:40,432 --> 00:43:43,412
Are people not looking for him?

750
00:43:43,612 --> 00:43:47,892
His whole family, he goes from this job to
this job.

751
00:43:47,892 --> 00:43:49,092
Oh, okay.

752
00:43:49,232 --> 00:43:53,712
I would just say like, it's kind of like,
you know, it's to say for everyone.

753
00:43:53,992 --> 00:43:58,012
Sometimes people who are sick, other
people who are sick, it's like, yeah, I'm

754
00:43:58,012 --> 00:43:59,560
going to go look for a new doctor.

755
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,550
like the, at one point he's in like a
hovercraft type of thing.

756
00:44:02,550 --> 00:44:07,520
And it's basically an airplane, but he's
like in total awe of it.

757
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,460
And so I'm kind of like, do they not have
airplanes?

758
00:44:09,460 --> 00:44:10,888
Like it's like,

759
00:44:11,028 --> 00:44:15,208
And I think society is gonna be seeing
this work well after the night.

760
00:44:15,208 --> 00:44:17,308
I know that's a key point to that.

761
00:44:17,308 --> 00:44:17,946
They have to...

762
00:44:17,946 --> 00:44:21,016
figure it out and they can see people's
will.

763
00:44:21,036 --> 00:44:27,816
So depending on the criteria of what class
you are in the society, you can actually

764
00:44:27,816 --> 00:44:30,476
benefit from other people's will.

765
00:44:30,668 --> 00:44:33,388
benefit from other people's will.

766
00:44:34,068 --> 00:44:37,412
And so if you are lower class, you...

767
00:44:37,412 --> 00:44:39,692
will to upper class people.

768
00:44:40,172 --> 00:44:45,152
And people, they have to figure out
different ways of managing this.

769
00:44:45,152 --> 00:44:50,492
Some of the people just like, come across
your things, low class things, which is

770
00:44:50,492 --> 00:44:54,792
right, is being fueled by ill -mannered.

771
00:44:54,812 --> 00:44:57,438
And so...

772
00:45:00,056 --> 00:45:05,346
I think there's about to be a dark
academia aspect to it because he's going

773
00:45:05,346 --> 00:45:06,936
to this academy.

774
00:45:07,324 --> 00:45:09,890
where he is just having a lot of

775
00:45:09,890 --> 00:45:10,236
matter.

776
00:45:10,236 --> 00:45:16,836
where he is to spy on the head of the
school because the head of the school was

777
00:45:16,836 --> 00:45:19,156
like the top of his class.

778
00:45:19,856 --> 00:45:27,466
And he basically could have been like a
big time politician and he chose to be the

779
00:45:27,466 --> 00:45:32,196
head of this school instead, which is a
very odd choice.

780
00:45:32,416 --> 00:45:34,164
And so the government...

781
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:40,934
what's the word, great, of sorts on the
campus of the school.

782
00:45:40,934 --> 00:45:46,104
of sorts on the campus of the school that
he is trying to figure out how to harness

783
00:45:46,104 --> 00:45:47,264
and use.

784
00:45:47,344 --> 00:45:52,274
And so this orphan kid who actually was a
prince at one point in time is now being

785
00:45:52,274 --> 00:45:59,314
tasked with figure out why this guy chose
to be like the headmaster of a school as

786
00:45:59,314 --> 00:46:02,240
opposed to like any other job within the
society.

787
00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:03,800
me or not.

788
00:46:03,900 --> 00:46:06,480
OK, so, um.

789
00:46:06,732 --> 00:46:12,072
Okay, so I'm a really fast reader.

790
00:46:12,512 --> 00:46:17,352
This book, not only is it like 650 pages,
but the font is like size nine or 10.

791
00:46:17,352 --> 00:46:19,472
Like it is dense.

792
00:46:19,472 --> 00:46:25,202
Like it is, and it is so detailed, like
the world that this guy is building, like

793
00:46:25,202 --> 00:46:26,612
is jaw drop.

794
00:46:26,612 --> 00:46:33,452
Like the ideas, like just the ideas alone,
I'm sitting there and I'm like, this is so

795
00:46:33,792 --> 00:46:34,772
wild.

796
00:46:34,772 --> 00:46:36,908
Like that somebody's brain.

797
00:46:37,100 --> 00:46:38,770
invented this, you know what I mean?

798
00:46:38,770 --> 00:46:43,250
And like, if I think too hard about like
Hogwarts and Harry Potter and Lord of the

799
00:46:43,250 --> 00:46:47,580
Rings, like there are a lot of people in
this world that have the ability to build

800
00:46:47,580 --> 00:46:50,320
worlds and this guy is one of them.

801
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:57,990
And I'm very interested in what happens
now that the main character is like about

802
00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:59,440
to be at the school.

803
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:03,976
But before I found out what his like
mission was going to be,

804
00:47:03,976 --> 00:47:05,052
right here.

805
00:47:05,052 --> 00:47:09,592
this is the work of things, this is where
this value kind of lands.

806
00:47:09,612 --> 00:47:13,012
In the work, this is how the society
works.

807
00:47:13,112 --> 00:47:17,872
And that was like, well before he was
first 50 years old, and now he's back now

808
00:47:17,872 --> 00:47:19,934
with like a rare moment in time.

809
00:47:19,934 --> 00:47:24,974
I know like where we're going with it and
what he's going to be doing, I'm very

810
00:47:24,974 --> 00:47:26,144
interested.

811
00:47:26,144 --> 00:47:29,378
But it took a little bit for that to
happen.

812
00:47:29,688 --> 00:47:31,888
Not really sure how to follow that up.

813
00:47:34,144 --> 00:47:37,864
I'm not reading a doorstop fantasy novel.

814
00:47:38,384 --> 00:47:44,424
I just finished a few days ago, a love
song for Ricky Wilde by Tia Williams.

815
00:47:44,424 --> 00:47:46,934
Steph talked about this earlier, so I
won't get too much into it.

816
00:47:46,934 --> 00:47:50,324
And also we're hoping to do a Tia Williams
episode coming up.

817
00:47:50,364 --> 00:47:55,134
But I will say, and I've said this before,
I was obsessed with her previous book,

818
00:47:55,134 --> 00:47:55,874
Seven Days in June.

819
00:47:55,874 --> 00:47:58,484
So I was really, really eager to read
this.

820
00:47:58,484 --> 00:48:01,752
It's very different, very different kind
of story.

821
00:48:01,752 --> 00:48:04,952
very different, very different from how
it's going.

822
00:48:05,452 --> 00:48:09,522
It can almost sound really different, but
just the experience is so different

823
00:48:09,522 --> 00:48:14,102
emotionally, and I guess I'll leave it at
that for now, because it's a good picture

824
00:48:14,102 --> 00:48:16,192
to really compare it with the past.

825
00:48:16,420 --> 00:48:19,162
and Sensibility, which was written by...

826
00:48:19,162 --> 00:48:21,392
Hazelwood when we were at this romance
author event.

827
00:48:21,392 --> 00:48:24,642
And we all had our phones open typing
stuff into Goodreads so we wouldn't

828
00:48:24,642 --> 00:48:25,332
forget.

829
00:48:25,332 --> 00:48:28,772
And I happened to see it when I was in the
bookstore in Miami.

830
00:48:28,772 --> 00:48:31,072
And I was like, OK, it's paperback.

831
00:48:31,072 --> 00:48:32,090
I'm going to get this.

832
00:48:32,090 --> 00:48:35,440
like, okay, I'm going to get this.

833
00:48:36,140 --> 00:48:37,198
I am a male.

834
00:48:37,198 --> 00:48:43,198
of two sisters who are from Maryland, who
upon their dad's passing, discovered that

835
00:48:43,198 --> 00:48:46,998
he has just kept a lot of secrets about
another family, about his financial

836
00:48:46,998 --> 00:48:48,088
situation.

837
00:48:48,088 --> 00:48:53,368
And the only way they can access any part
of their inheritance is if they move up to

838
00:48:53,368 --> 00:48:59,038
Maine and take over a rundown in that he
had purchased and basically let go into

839
00:48:59,038 --> 00:49:00,388
foreclosure.

840
00:49:00,388 --> 00:49:01,040
So.

841
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,106
in the part of the country, I mean, in the
country America.

842
00:49:04,106 --> 00:49:07,320
the part of the family that is actually an
American tribe.

843
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,440
no one, she begins to fall in love with
one of the members of the tribe who was

844
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:14,470
helping them get to know the local area
and help them get introduced to everyone

845
00:49:14,470 --> 00:49:16,740
from contractors to accountants to
whatever.

846
00:49:16,740 --> 00:49:20,210
It's very interesting because for those
who have not been to the state of Maine,

847
00:49:20,210 --> 00:49:22,740
it is an extremely white place.

848
00:49:22,740 --> 00:49:27,000
And the main characters in this book,
Nora, the woman is black, and then this

849
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,818
guy, who everyone calls Bear.

850
00:49:28,818 --> 00:49:33,368
and then this guy, who's kind of a spare,
his name is American.

851
00:49:33,368 --> 00:49:38,298
So they're talking about that experience
of looking a super white, super white, and

852
00:49:38,298 --> 00:49:43,288
he is the one who's trying to be both
native and also high -sider.

853
00:49:43,568 --> 00:49:46,188
The man is excellent to the point where
he's like,

854
00:49:46,188 --> 00:49:48,108
would be like, we're at the far side.

855
00:49:48,108 --> 00:49:50,732
And I would be like, we're at the far
side.

856
00:49:50,732 --> 00:49:53,056
Oh my god, how does that come from
someone's brain?

857
00:49:53,754 --> 00:49:55,774
because of the causes of the change.

858
00:49:55,774 --> 00:49:59,738
I would expect them to ask me, I would
expect you to ask me.

859
00:49:59,738 --> 00:50:03,748
this so heavily in front of an audience
full of other romance readers, I'm like,

860
00:50:03,748 --> 00:50:04,548
this has got to be great.

861
00:50:04,548 --> 00:50:05,518
But also I was nervous.

862
00:50:05,518 --> 00:50:06,188
I was like, oh, go ahead.

863
00:50:06,188 --> 00:50:08,508
Like, don't go into it with too high
expectations.

864
00:50:08,628 --> 00:50:11,088
But I'm really, really, really enjoying
it.

865
00:50:11,088 --> 00:50:13,208
And Steph and I were talking about
yesterday.

866
00:50:13,208 --> 00:50:16,968
It's meant to be like a modern day take on
sense and sensibility, which I'm mortified

867
00:50:16,968 --> 00:50:19,028
to tell all of you I've never read.

868
00:50:19,568 --> 00:50:22,078
So I, oh, OK.

869
00:50:22,078 --> 00:50:23,412
So I might have to.

870
00:50:23,412 --> 00:50:23,868
neither.

871
00:50:23,868 --> 00:50:28,138
to do like a classics episode and by
classics I mean we're gonna do a Jane

872
00:50:28,138 --> 00:50:29,528
Austen episode

873
00:50:30,144 --> 00:50:32,004
I've read a lot of the classics.

874
00:50:32,544 --> 00:50:36,244
Great Expectations is my favorite book for
many, many, many, many years.

875
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:41,550
Great Expectations is a great book.

876
00:50:41,550 --> 00:50:44,372
That's why I mean, I'm happy to talk about
that one.

877
00:50:44,372 --> 00:50:45,408
great books?

878
00:50:46,924 --> 00:50:47,744
Oh.

879
00:50:48,524 --> 00:50:54,184
I don't know, because I think I started
one one time and was like, meh.

880
00:50:54,184 --> 00:50:57,454
is this author sorry sex lies and
sensibility by Nikki Payne her other book

881
00:50:57,454 --> 00:51:03,744
is called pride and protest Which is also
a play on pride and prejudice so if you

882
00:51:03,744 --> 00:51:08,794
like those oh geez I think you will really
really like these and I am loving this

883
00:51:08,794 --> 00:51:14,134
without having read the inspiration
material But I sent a stuff that maybe I

884
00:51:14,134 --> 00:51:20,128
will watch the movie of sensibility in
order to get us a sense pun intended

885
00:51:20,128 --> 00:51:22,408
of what it was inspired by.

886
00:51:22,408 --> 00:51:25,286
So anyway, that's my romance hole this
week.

887
00:51:25,612 --> 00:51:33,132
I don't know when I'll be done with this
book.

888
00:51:33,712 --> 00:51:40,032
It's I really have to concentrate, which I
know sounds so absurd.

889
00:51:40,032 --> 00:51:48,372
But when you are reading lighter books
that are like more like if I'm reading a

890
00:51:48,372 --> 00:51:52,182
book and the majority of it is dialogue,
that goes a lot.

891
00:51:52,182 --> 00:51:54,022
The pages just fly by.

892
00:51:54,022 --> 00:51:59,402
of this book and it's like a very detailed
description of like what a contraction

893
00:51:59,402 --> 00:52:02,194
looks like in this society, or like.

894
00:52:02,194 --> 00:52:08,414
looks like in this society or like, you
know, there's a lot of like inner

895
00:52:08,414 --> 00:52:11,624
monologue of because this guy is basically
undercover.

896
00:52:11,624 --> 00:52:15,994
And so like his, like he's going back and
forth of like, do I play it like this?

897
00:52:15,994 --> 00:52:16,994
Do I play it like that?

898
00:52:16,994 --> 00:52:21,684
Did he tell that I like blanched when he
said this and you know, he has to do a lot

899
00:52:21,684 --> 00:52:22,376
of like,

900
00:52:22,376 --> 00:52:27,346
I mean, he gets caught up at one point
because he flunches when somebody says his

901
00:52:27,346 --> 00:52:31,806
swear word in a language that he shouldn't
know, because like, his upbringing was

902
00:52:31,806 --> 00:52:33,438
like, he was like, I like, had a...

903
00:52:33,438 --> 00:52:36,028
all these tutors and he knows all the
languages.

904
00:52:36,108 --> 00:52:38,228
He's supposed to be the self -care kid.

905
00:52:38,228 --> 00:52:41,928
So there's a lot of that for him, Seth.

906
00:52:41,928 --> 00:52:46,588
And it just is way more challenging to
make that book slide.

907
00:52:46,588 --> 00:52:48,368
I like that.

908
00:52:48,368 --> 00:52:49,050
Thanks, Beth.

909
00:52:49,050 --> 00:52:50,222
I've been reading recently.

910
00:52:50,222 --> 00:52:50,644
time.

911
00:52:50,644 --> 00:52:53,904
hope that I am able to it for all of you.

912
00:52:53,904 --> 00:52:59,084
I would like to say one thing, Maria, that
I'm always grateful for your response.

913
00:52:59,104 --> 00:53:01,964
Stephanie, or Marissa, you're the best.

914
00:53:01,964 --> 00:53:02,864
I love you guys.

915
00:53:02,864 --> 00:53:04,644
She's so good to us.

916
00:53:04,644 --> 00:53:05,834
She's a good person.

917
00:53:05,834 --> 00:53:08,608
her room anymore, so I don't think she's
gonna read that.

918
00:53:08,608 --> 00:53:10,828
But it's a closed -door thing.

919
00:53:11,048 --> 00:53:11,828
True.

920
00:53:11,828 --> 00:53:13,028
It can't be.

921
00:53:13,888 --> 00:53:15,288
It can't.

922
00:53:15,288 --> 00:53:15,948
It can't.

923
00:53:15,948 --> 00:53:17,248
Well, that was a good point.

924
00:53:17,248 --> 00:53:17,878
I know.

925
00:53:17,878 --> 00:53:18,188
No?

926
00:53:18,188 --> 00:53:20,468
It's a problem for the president.

927
00:53:20,468 --> 00:53:24,368
I mean, it's been that way for time.

928
00:53:24,368 --> 00:53:25,948
How many times has it been?

929
00:53:25,948 --> 00:53:26,948
You know it.

930
00:53:26,948 --> 00:53:27,628
No.

931
00:53:27,628 --> 00:53:28,538
Four or five times.

932
00:53:28,538 --> 00:53:29,148
So many times.

933
00:53:29,148 --> 00:53:32,448
And it's not accurate.

934
00:53:32,448 --> 00:53:34,108
They don't have a budget for it.

935
00:53:34,108 --> 00:53:34,936
How could they?

936
00:53:35,076 --> 00:53:36,782
but they don't have the budget for it.

937
00:53:36,782 --> 00:53:41,992
believe, and it's been dropped probably
because of how much it would cost to sort

938
00:53:41,992 --> 00:53:43,972
of build that world up.

939
00:53:43,992 --> 00:53:47,432
So I'm not sure if another network is
going to pick it up.

940
00:53:47,524 --> 00:53:52,844
things that we need to learn before you
experience the whole thing.

941
00:53:52,844 --> 00:53:56,564
And they should show us the whole lot of
things.

942
00:53:56,584 --> 00:54:00,304
First I want to say for people who aren't
as deep into the book world as we are,

943
00:54:00,304 --> 00:54:03,844
that stands for A Court of Thorn and
Roses, if you're like Watson and Agatarr.

944
00:54:03,844 --> 00:54:07,524
It's an acronym for the series that is
crazy popular.

945
00:54:07,524 --> 00:54:10,444
If you saw the book covers, I'm sure you
would recognize it because they're

946
00:54:10,444 --> 00:54:10,684
everywhere.

947
00:54:10,684 --> 00:54:11,364
It's in Target.

948
00:54:11,364 --> 00:54:12,394
It's in all the bookstores.

949
00:54:12,394 --> 00:54:13,192
It's at...

950
00:54:13,192 --> 00:54:18,212
4 ,000 words total, the whole series, and
I've read the first four books.

951
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:24,280
I could see that the way that people can
do, whether it's like GoFundMe or

952
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:29,170
Kickstarter for products, that this could
become something that happens in the

953
00:54:29,170 --> 00:54:29,400
future.

954
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:33,620
If fans really feel strongly enough, I
don't know what the budget would be to

955
00:54:33,620 --> 00:54:34,300
make something like that.

956
00:54:34,300 --> 00:54:38,910
I'm guessing like could be a hundred
million dollars, but I think they could

957
00:54:38,910 --> 00:54:39,568
try.

958
00:54:39,568 --> 00:54:44,004
always, but anything that I will think of,
I will.

959
00:54:44,004 --> 00:54:45,544
had ever had?

960
00:54:45,544 --> 00:54:47,624
And that was a hundred million?

961
00:54:47,664 --> 00:54:48,434
Wasn't it?

962
00:54:48,434 --> 00:54:50,412
that were so elaborate.

963
00:54:50,412 --> 00:54:51,268
Yeah.

964
00:54:55,884 --> 00:55:04,144
I just think for a book series to be
devoured in a way like that, that it would

965
00:55:04,144 --> 00:55:06,004
be silly not to make it.

966
00:55:06,004 --> 00:55:13,474
But I do understand needing to make it
correctly with the, like with the money

967
00:55:13,474 --> 00:55:14,780
and the budget and the whole thing.

968
00:55:14,780 --> 00:55:17,512
on the dragons It's just gonna wreck it

969
00:55:17,512 --> 00:55:18,312
Right.

970
00:55:18,312 --> 00:55:19,372
So, yeah.

971
00:55:19,812 --> 00:55:22,032
Well, that's how we get to stuff.

972
00:55:22,032 --> 00:55:28,252
One thing, we used to be free from the
experience of being free at loads.

973
00:55:29,372 --> 00:55:30,432
Not now.

974
00:55:30,432 --> 00:55:31,252
I love that.

975
00:55:31,252 --> 00:55:33,032
And it's been nice.

976
00:55:33,172 --> 00:55:36,228
My school's out of the way for you, but
I'm happy for you.

977
00:55:36,228 --> 00:55:41,128
students at one point screamed and rolled
around on the floor because they at the in

978
00:55:41,128 --> 00:55:44,932
the wedding scene, they had Titania and

979
00:55:44,932 --> 00:55:46,796
they have something to pick up.

980
00:55:46,796 --> 00:55:49,796
Oh my gosh, the queen of the Amazons,
what's her name?

981
00:55:50,616 --> 00:55:51,736
Not Helena.

982
00:55:51,756 --> 00:55:52,936
Oh my God, this is terrible.

983
00:55:52,936 --> 00:55:56,236
They had two of the women end up with each
other at the wedding.

984
00:55:56,236 --> 00:56:01,636
And then they had one of the guys from
Snout from Pyramus and Thysbe, they had

985
00:56:01,636 --> 00:56:05,416
him end up with like a guard from the
wedding.

986
00:56:05,416 --> 00:56:08,656
So there were like all these like gay
couples all of a sudden.

987
00:56:08,656 --> 00:56:12,986
And I was like this and the kids are like,
Oh my God, this isn't in the play.

988
00:56:12,986 --> 00:56:14,526
Do you think Shakespeare meant this?

989
00:56:14,526 --> 00:56:15,602
And I was like, I

990
00:56:15,602 --> 00:56:16,492
happy experience.

991
00:56:16,492 --> 00:56:19,308
So, thank you.

992
00:56:19,616 --> 00:56:22,616
And it wasn't so cool, cool, cool.

993
00:56:23,276 --> 00:56:26,936
But yeah, it was the fairies were not done
well and the kids made fun of it.

994
00:56:26,936 --> 00:56:30,424
And so like, yeah, budget matters and, and
all that jazz.

995
00:56:30,424 --> 00:56:34,824
if you guys want to see what a doorstop
fantasy novel looks like, I'm going to

996
00:56:34,824 --> 00:56:37,284
take a video of this book and post it on
Instagram.

997
00:56:37,284 --> 00:56:40,274
So give us a follow at Plans Are Booked
over on Instagram.

998
00:56:40,274 --> 00:56:44,424
And if you want to make a suggestion of a
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999
00:56:44,424 --> 00:56:48,424
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1000
00:56:48,424 --> 00:56:49,680
We love to hear from you.

1001
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:50,860
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1002
00:56:54,718 --> 00:56:57,726
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