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Priscilla: Hey guys, welcome to the Is this Cinema

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Priscilla: podcast.

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Priscilla: It'd be me, Priscilla, and we haven't got

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Priscilla: just today, but we've got the head, honcho,

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Priscilla: We've got Banky with us and today we

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Priscilla: actually have a major interview with the

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Priscilla: hair on set.

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Priscilla: We've got two thirds of the team, so we've

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Priscilla: got Jordan and we've got Lee, who both

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Priscilla: acted as the director and producer of the

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Priscilla: documentary Voila, who was one of the main

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Priscilla: directors of the film as well.

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Priscilla: She was unable to interview us, but she's

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Priscilla: just as lovely and we were very, very

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Priscilla: with any of them.

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Priscilla: Actually, and we're actually going to go

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Priscilla: through our thoughts and opinions on the

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Priscilla: documentary itself what we thought,

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Priscilla: anything we took away from it and why we

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Priscilla: both think we should watch it.

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Priscilla: But I'll go through the normal admin.

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Priscilla: So we've recorded episodes of reviews of

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Priscilla: Gen V.

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Priscilla: If you've not watched Gen V but you have

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Priscilla: watched the boys, then do watch Gen V.

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Priscilla: If you've not watched either of those two

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Priscilla: Then listen to the reviews.

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Priscilla: Gen V is very, very good.

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Priscilla: The reviews are very, very funny.

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Bankole: Finale tomorrow.

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Priscilla: You know I mean like Deffo, watch it If

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Priscilla: you've also have been watching Loki, their

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Priscilla: reviews on Loki.

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Priscilla: If you've not watched Loki, start watching

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Priscilla: Loki.

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Priscilla: This is not the typical Kevin Feige thing

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Priscilla: where the Disney properties rubbish.

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Priscilla: It's very good, it's very good, jesus

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Priscilla: Christ.

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Bankole: How do you insult my Lord and Savior, Kevin

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Bankole: Feige?

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Priscilla: My Lord and Savior is Jesus Christ, so I'm

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Priscilla: going to insult Kevin Feige.

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Bankole: Well, I don't know man.

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Bankole: Jesus Christ gave me Captain America Winter

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Bankole: Soldier.

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Bankole: I don't know, I don't know.

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Priscilla: He gave Stan Lee the talent to write it, so

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Priscilla: wait, let me just quickly.

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Bankole: let me just quickly, God.

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Bankole: I don't mean that, that was just a joke for

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Bankole: the internet, please.

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Priscilla: So if you've not watched Loki, please, it's

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Priscilla: been like three by the time we released

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Priscilla: this episode.

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Priscilla: We've been four episodes.

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Priscilla: Five actually would have come out by then

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Priscilla: yeah.

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Priscilla: Watch all five, then come back and listen

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Priscilla: to the reviews of the episodes.

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Priscilla: It's good content.

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Priscilla: Like I'm not talking about good Marvel, I'm

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Bankole: It's very good and this Marvel Hill turn

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Bankole: that you're on is ridiculous.

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Priscilla: No, I'm not going to lie to you.

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Priscilla: I'm not going to lie to you.

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Priscilla: Since Moon Knight I've not been in the tech.

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Bankole: No, no no, no, no, look the TV.

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Bankole: The TV slate has been Nobody's arguing that

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Bankole: even the movie slate hasn't been that

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Bankole: brilliant post, post, what it called it

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Bankole: post no way home.

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Bankole: Yes, nobody's arguing this.

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Priscilla: They're in a slump.

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Bankole: They're in a slump, but they also gave us

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Bankole: I think we can give them more than two

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Bankole: years.

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Priscilla: I give them two bad movies.

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Priscilla: They gave me that four movies, but they had

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Priscilla: two bad movies in the infinity saga, like

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Bankole: most of those movies are not that great.

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Priscilla: What movie was as bad as story?

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Bankole: Thoughty Dark World.

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Bankole: Thoughty Dark World.

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Bankole: That was not worse than oh, don't you know

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Bankole: what, priscilla, why would I think, let's

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Bankole: not do this, let's not.

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Bankole: This is this is revisionist history, but

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Bankole: the thoughty Dark World, iron man 2.

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Bankole: They've been bad MCU movies.

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Priscilla: I meant to not bad movie.

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Priscilla: I'm like nah.

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Priscilla: I meant to not bad movie Um compared to the

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Priscilla: garbage that's just come out.

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Bankole: Also there's back to Priscilla.

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Bankole: Priscilla did kill the flower moon, so

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Bankole: please check that out, priscilla and Jess.

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Priscilla: Yeah, it was very honest.

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Priscilla: Guys, please yeah.

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Priscilla: Priscilla and Esau said did If you've got

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Priscilla: if you've got free time, if you've got a

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Priscilla: spare seven pounds 99 for your view don't

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Priscilla: spend the 12 pounds of Odeon.

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Priscilla: Um, if you go spare money, use it to watch

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Priscilla: killers on the flower moon.

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Priscilla: You're going to bulk at the idea that it's

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Priscilla: for nearly four hours long.

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Priscilla: Don't bulk at it.

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Priscilla: It flies by.

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Priscilla: I'm not joking.

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Bankole: Oh, also find out about me Invincible.

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Bankole: We're going to be covering it weekly, so

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Bankole: please check that out as well.

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Bankole: Okay, Priscilla, let's please.

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Bankole: Let's talk about this documentary before.

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Priscilla: I stop, stop, stop listening Um but I'll

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Priscilla: give my personal opinion about the

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Priscilla: It was possibly one of the actually one of

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Priscilla: the best black hair documentary I've seen

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Priscilla: It was rubbish.

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Bankole: Oh my God, this, this trees, this trees are

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Bankole: keep on happening.

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Priscilla: Um, the plenty of words which have not been

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Priscilla: This was brilliant Like it nails the

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Priscilla: I think what I loved most about it was the

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Priscilla: Harris don't play about her name and all

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Priscilla: these other actresses and actors who are

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Priscilla: It goes through a story where she actually

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Lee: Have you ever heard?

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Priscilla: of white woman.

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Priscilla: A white man come and say I have to go on

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Priscilla: YouTube and type in you know how like

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Bankole: Yeah, if you mind.

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Bankole: I tried to like we're going to a bit of

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Bankole: this into, so we're going to a bit of this

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Bankole: with Jordan and me, and it's just the extra

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Bankole: It's so like, why, like I need to come to

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Bankole: hair, like when there's someone on set.

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Bankole: Imagine, just, let's imagine someone like

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Bankole: the Caprio or Deliwis, people that are

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Bankole: Character actors sorry, a method.

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Bankole: Character actors whatever your feelings on

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Bankole: I want to call him Lincoln.

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Bankole: Now, if he had to worry about his hair

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Bankole: He can just turn up and focus on the work

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Bankole: of black people.

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Bankole: or they need to find a way to make sure the

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Bankole: like it's just so taxing that as a black

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Priscilla: Yeah.

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Bankole: But yeah, this documentary was just was

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Bankole: I'm not a documentary person, I don't

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Bankole: really watch them in documentaries, but

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Bankole: yeah, this was just really good.

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Bankole: Just, I love actors, I've always loved

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Bankole: So just seeing all these actors that I

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Bankole: really like coming on board, like just

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Bankole: seeing the experiences David Ajala is on

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Bankole: here as well, Saffron Hocking from Top Boy

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Bankole: just like it's really a murder show of

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Bankole: people like, oh, I know you, I know you, I

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Bankole: know you, and just the experience you like.

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Bankole: Oh, Naomie Harris is an Oscar nominee but

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Bankole: she still goes through things, so much so

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Bankole: that she has she wants to come out in a

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Bankole: It's just like why?

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Bankole: But?

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Bankole: yeah, it's one of those other things that,

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Bankole: like people, black people need to go

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Bankole: through to exist and do their work and just

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Bankole: do the work.

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Priscilla: Yeah, because I relate to this in a weird

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Priscilla: It's a similar experience.

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Priscilla: I remember when I went to university

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Priscilla: conversation me and my mom had was how you

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Priscilla: Because you know, I was going to a uni city

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Priscilla: But I don't know.

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Priscilla: Actually I'm going to be a fan of people.

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Priscilla: I don't know if they were going to be Coons

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Priscilla: be well versed in black, black, black,

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Priscilla: I've not relaxed my hair since I was 11.

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Priscilla: So you may know how to deal with, you know,

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Priscilla: relaxed hair.

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Bankole: Just common sense, man Just common sense

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Bankole: It was such a fun conversation.

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Bankole: Whichever, we just listened to this

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Bankole: Please, we need the podcast numbers.

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Bankole: Okay, I don't know, Priscilla, anything

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Bankole: Okay, priscilla, I guess what's your

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Bankole: Is it cinema?

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Bankole: Okay, that's good.

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Bankole: We've all heard the horror stories

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Bankole: character.

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0:16:21,421 --> 0:16:23,741
Bankole: We have to prepare for the work as well as

485
0:16:23,761 --> 0:16:25,548
Bankole: to prepare our hair makeup people.

486
0:16:25,620 --> 0:16:28,209
Bankole: We have to make sure their guilt is okay.

487
0:16:28,440 --> 0:16:30,863
Bankole: That was just quite emotional and that was

488
0:16:30,883 --> 0:16:32,308
Bankole: not a question, that was just a statement,

489
0:16:32,380 --> 0:16:32,701
Bankole: that was just.

490
0:16:32,721 --> 0:16:34,462
Bankole: Let me just start off with that right off

491
0:16:34,502 --> 0:16:34,863
Bankole: the bat.

492
0:16:36,000 --> 0:16:37,567
Bankole: But yeah, I mean first things first.

493
0:16:37,780 --> 0:16:39,046
Bankole: How did you guys get involved in this

494
0:16:39,086 --> 0:16:39,347
Bankole: project?

495
0:16:39,460 --> 0:16:41,005
Bankole: You don't mind me asking how did it come to

496
0:16:41,386 --> 0:16:41,908
Bankole: both of you?

497
0:16:42,860 --> 0:16:43,081
Jordan: Yeah.

498
0:16:43,101 --> 0:16:47,824
Jordan: So Folla reached out to me I'm friends with

499
0:16:47,864 --> 0:16:51,724
Jordan: her uncle, Jimi Akingbola, and she had

500
0:16:51,944 --> 0:16:54,010
Jordan: already kind of pitched this concept around.

501
0:16:56,060 --> 0:16:58,086
Jordan: Not having any joy, she decided to make it

502
0:16:58,147 --> 0:16:58,809
Jordan: independently.

503
0:16:59,420 --> 0:17:02,448
Jordan: So on that search she got that

504
0:17:02,468 --> 0:17:06,005
Jordan: recommendation from Jimmy and asked who

505
0:17:06,045 --> 0:17:08,341
Jordan: could I, who would you suggest that I reach

506
0:17:08,382 --> 0:17:09,085
Jordan: out to to make it?

507
0:17:09,520 --> 0:17:13,370
Jordan: And yeah, humberly he suggested me and she

508
0:17:13,390 --> 0:17:17,488
Jordan: got in touch and straight away, yeah, just

509
0:17:17,508 --> 0:17:19,705
Jordan: the concept being an actor as well, it

510
0:17:19,906 --> 0:17:22,905
Jordan: really just resonated and it was something

511
0:17:23,125 --> 0:17:24,610
Jordan: I instantly wanted to be a part of.

512
0:17:24,980 --> 0:17:26,005
Bankole: Yeah, that's okay.

513
0:17:26,440 --> 0:17:27,524
Bankole: So it was all through.

514
0:17:28,480 --> 0:17:29,865
Bankole: She was the one that brought the idea to

515
0:17:29,905 --> 0:17:30,327
Bankole: both of you.

516
0:17:30,840 --> 0:17:33,489
Jordan: Yes, and obviously, well, obviously.

517
0:17:33,680 --> 0:17:37,470
Jordan: But Lee is my co-producer, super DP.

518
0:17:38,280 --> 0:17:40,608
Jordan: We've worked on many projects prior to this.

519
0:17:41,200 --> 0:17:44,509
Jordan: So on her reach and out, I was like, yeah,

520
0:17:45,110 --> 0:17:47,305
Jordan: I'm interested, Let me just make one phone

521
0:17:47,345 --> 0:17:47,425
Jordan: call.

522
0:17:48,660 --> 0:17:50,687
Jordan: One call was to Lee and, yeah, he was all

523
0:17:50,767 --> 0:17:51,861
Jordan: over it With Lee.

524
0:17:51,882 --> 0:17:52,946
Jordan: Sometimes you got to engage it.

525
0:17:53,760 --> 0:17:55,866
Jordan: If you don't hear a follow-up phone call

526
0:17:55,907 --> 0:17:58,122
Jordan: with further ideas, he's not interested.

527
0:17:58,182 --> 0:18:00,347
Jordan: But call me back 10 minutes.

528
0:18:00,467 --> 0:18:01,309
Jordan: I said, yeah, what about this?

529
0:18:01,329 --> 0:18:01,610
Jordan: What about?

530
0:18:01,630 --> 0:18:02,071
Bankole: that that's cool.

531
0:18:02,111 --> 0:18:04,304
Bankole: All right, I guess when you can feel, when

532
0:18:04,324 --> 0:18:07,482
Bankole: that enthusiasm is there, lee, does that

533
0:18:07,502 --> 0:18:08,386
Bankole: track from your end?

534
0:18:08,880 --> 0:18:12,105
Lee: Yeah, yeah, the golden knows me well, if

535
0:18:12,125 --> 0:18:16,146
Lee: there's no phone call, there's a more.

536
0:18:16,287 --> 0:18:17,990
Lee: Mr, entice me more, bigger, bigger carrot,

537
0:18:18,351 --> 0:18:19,453
Lee: yeah yeah, get bigger carrot to entice me.

538
0:18:19,760 --> 0:18:21,106
Lee: But he said it was just the fact that, like

539
0:18:22,002 --> 0:18:24,109
Lee: I work in this industry and it was like

540
0:18:24,660 --> 0:18:27,989
Lee: wait a minute, fala is an actress who's now

541
0:18:28,270 --> 0:18:30,765
Lee: famous, she's had big shows and she has to

542
0:18:30,786 --> 0:18:32,110
Lee: go up at 3 am to do her hair.

543
0:18:32,500 --> 0:18:35,301
Lee: Truly, she's big enough to demand not even

544
0:18:35,341 --> 0:18:36,243
Lee: demand to.

545
0:18:36,805 --> 0:18:39,101
Lee: She's big enough to expect her hair to be

546
0:18:39,201 --> 0:18:39,985
Lee: taken care of properly.

547
0:18:40,460 --> 0:18:43,024
Lee: So I was like wait a minute, something's

548
0:18:43,044 --> 0:18:43,486
Lee: not right here.

549
0:18:44,563 --> 0:18:45,867
Lee: Like what kind of world we're living in

550
0:18:45,907 --> 0:18:48,264
Lee: where it sounds bad but obviously fame

551
0:18:48,404 --> 0:18:49,187
Lee: gives you privilege, right?

552
0:18:49,720 --> 0:18:52,529
Lee: So I thought in my little head that her

553
0:18:52,609 --> 0:18:54,165
Lee: fame but her privilege of getting the hair

554
0:18:54,185 --> 0:18:54,627
Lee: taken care of.

555
0:18:54,720 --> 0:18:55,383
Lee: But it's not the case.

556
0:18:55,760 --> 0:18:57,701
Lee: So I was like okay, I'm interested, let me

557
0:18:57,742 --> 0:19:00,105
Lee: see where this goes, because you probably

558
0:19:00,125 --> 0:19:02,123
Lee: hear in a minute Jordan you had a light

559
0:19:02,143 --> 0:19:03,461
Lee: bulb moment for Jordan as well but I let

560
0:19:03,481 --> 0:19:05,761
Lee: him tell that story himself about hair and

561
0:19:06,464 --> 0:19:07,187
Lee: getting it done and stuff.

562
0:19:07,280 --> 0:19:08,546
Lee: But yeah, that was tracks for me.

563
0:19:08,820 --> 0:19:09,423
Lee: That's how it was.

564
0:19:09,523 --> 0:19:11,249
Lee: Like one phone calls like yeah, I mean.

565
0:19:12,800 --> 0:19:13,343
Bankole: Okay, that's.

566
0:19:13,443 --> 0:19:13,604
Bankole: I mean.

567
0:19:13,624 --> 0:19:16,006
Bankole: That's really cool that both of you were on

568
0:19:16,026 --> 0:19:16,748
Bankole: board immediately.

569
0:19:17,221 --> 0:19:20,046
Priscilla: Yeah, yeah, cause, following on from what

570
0:19:20,086 --> 0:19:22,404
Priscilla: you're both discussing about it, was there

571
0:19:22,665 --> 0:19:24,611
Priscilla: any specific things?

572
0:19:24,880 --> 0:19:26,822
Priscilla: Maybe public discourse, cause this has been

573
0:19:26,842 --> 0:19:29,104
Priscilla: something that's been discussed so much on

574
0:19:29,124 --> 0:19:30,623
Priscilla: social media Was there anything specific

575
0:19:30,644 --> 0:19:32,705
Priscilla: that made you think, okay, I want to join

576
0:19:32,745 --> 0:19:32,926
Priscilla: this.

577
0:19:33,700 --> 0:19:36,021
Priscilla: So, for example, I think some of the was it

578
0:19:36,462 --> 0:19:38,889
Priscilla: the discourse make you more inclined to

579
0:19:38,909 --> 0:19:40,685
Priscilla: want to join in and put your own

580
0:19:40,725 --> 0:19:43,567
Priscilla: perspective on what you think the issue is?

581
0:19:44,240 --> 0:19:47,842
Priscilla: Was it from your own experiences that you

582
0:19:47,982 --> 0:19:50,762
Priscilla: had within the actual field that you feel

583
0:19:50,782 --> 0:19:52,327
Priscilla: like you want to put light on as well?

584
0:19:52,740 --> 0:19:54,888
Priscilla: Or was it just general interest in this?

585
0:19:55,300 --> 0:19:56,967
Priscilla: Okay, I can't say in this topic it sounds

586
0:19:57,007 --> 0:19:58,464
Priscilla: weird, but this general experience that

587
0:19:58,504 --> 0:19:59,127
Priscilla: we've all shared.

588
0:19:59,880 --> 0:20:00,060
Jordan: Yeah.

589
0:20:00,080 --> 0:20:04,251
Jordan: So for me, the initial pull towards the

590
0:20:04,271 --> 0:20:07,768
Jordan: subject, I guess first being growing up in

591
0:20:07,868 --> 0:20:09,823
Jordan: entertainment and I guess the light bulb

592
0:20:09,863 --> 0:20:14,362
Jordan: moment that Lee mentioned I had never

593
0:20:14,442 --> 0:20:17,161
Jordan: consciously experienced this and it was

594
0:20:17,201 --> 0:20:18,848
Jordan: through that initial conversation with Ola

595
0:20:18,980 --> 0:20:21,941
Jordan: that I'd realized, wow, actually these

596
0:20:22,202 --> 0:20:24,388
Jordan: norms shouldn't be normal.

597
0:20:25,220 --> 0:20:28,901
Jordan: So, for example, when I did have her go in,

598
0:20:29,082 --> 0:20:31,285
Jordan: rocking up to set and not expecting my hair

599
0:20:31,305 --> 0:20:34,989
Jordan: to be done and go into the barbers prior to

600
0:20:35,029 --> 0:20:36,945
Jordan: get my hair sorted, and not having the

601
0:20:37,126 --> 0:20:40,683
Jordan: option on set with men, generally they're

602
0:20:40,703 --> 0:20:41,764
Jordan: quite loyal to their fathers.

603
0:20:42,345 --> 0:20:45,009
Jordan: So you know, I probably would have stuck to

604
0:20:45,109 --> 0:20:47,333
Jordan: one barber anyway, but you know it's only

605
0:20:47,974 --> 0:20:50,037
Jordan: within the last three, four years was the

606
0:20:50,077 --> 0:20:51,880
Jordan: first time I actually saw a black barber on

607
0:20:51,900 --> 0:20:51,960
Jordan: set.

608
0:20:53,982 --> 0:20:57,726
Jordan: So that just shows how far we need to go

609
0:20:58,446 --> 0:21:00,408
Jordan: and how much of an issue it is.

610
0:21:00,689 --> 0:21:03,972
Jordan: So, yeah, in terms of that was the initial

611
0:21:04,032 --> 0:21:07,415
Jordan: alert to me because, even knowing the

612
0:21:07,475 --> 0:21:09,357
Jordan: magnitude you know, admittedly I didn't

613
0:21:09,377 --> 0:21:11,259
Jordan: know the magnitude of the problem until,

614
0:21:11,279 --> 0:21:12,841
Jordan: kind of going on this journey and you're

615
0:21:12,861 --> 0:21:15,425
Jordan: like, wow, like I can't believe it.

616
0:21:16,247 --> 0:21:18,210
Jordan: Because you know, like, without speaking to

617
0:21:18,250 --> 0:21:20,293
Jordan: people, you're like, at first you're like

618
0:21:20,313 --> 0:21:21,635
Jordan: all right, it's, you got to get up a bit

619
0:21:21,675 --> 0:21:21,895
Jordan: earlier.

620
0:21:21,980 --> 0:21:24,583
Jordan: But then you know, you hear all the stories

621
0:21:24,663 --> 0:21:26,525
Jordan: and go through the journey of it and you're

622
0:21:26,545 --> 0:21:29,528
Jordan: like, wow, no, this is much deeper than

623
0:21:30,830 --> 0:21:34,053
Jordan: then initially seems the norm, shouldn't be

624
0:21:34,073 --> 0:21:38,702
Jordan: the norm, and I think about this since I

625
0:21:39,043 --> 0:21:40,645
Jordan: first watched the documentary.

626
0:21:40,665 --> 0:21:42,728
Bankole: I remember unfortunately I couldn't find

627
0:21:42,928 --> 0:21:44,770
Bankole: the exact places said it by a little real

628
0:21:44,790 --> 0:21:46,433
Bankole: hurry when I was talking about gets out.

629
0:21:46,473 --> 0:21:48,555
Bankole: Obviously nothing but praise for that film.

630
0:21:48,980 --> 0:21:50,906
Bankole: But I remember him mentioning that I think

631
0:21:51,087 --> 0:21:52,753
Bankole: either they didn't have a black barber on

632
0:21:52,793 --> 0:21:54,137
Bankole: set or the one they had was terrible.

633
0:21:54,177 --> 0:21:55,902
Bankole: I can't remember exactly, but like if you

634
0:21:55,922 --> 0:21:57,425
Bankole: see his first scene in the film, he's

635
0:21:57,445 --> 0:21:58,707
Bankole: shaped, he basically doesn't have a shape

636
0:21:58,788 --> 0:22:00,872
Bankole: up, because he was like no, I'm not, I'm

637
0:22:00,892 --> 0:22:01,473
Bankole: not doing that.

638
0:22:01,980 --> 0:22:03,884
Bankole: Obviously, you can see that as the movie

639
0:22:03,904 --> 0:22:05,367
Bankole: progresses the hero probably went back home

640
0:22:05,407 --> 0:22:06,509
Bankole: and he did his own shape up with his own

641
0:22:06,529 --> 0:22:08,333
Bankole: barb, as you mentioned, was like this is

642
0:22:08,373 --> 0:22:10,262
Bankole: get out, this is going to be an Oscar

643
0:22:10,282 --> 0:22:12,465
Bankole: winning film, and like, still, they didn't

644
0:22:12,525 --> 0:22:14,147
Bankole: have that kind of representation and

645
0:22:14,187 --> 0:22:16,411
Bankole: inclusion on set, which I guess leads me to

646
0:22:16,431 --> 0:22:17,773
Bankole: a good point, because I'm assuming this was

647
0:22:18,033 --> 0:22:19,535
Bankole: came from Jordan and probably from Uli as

648
0:22:19,615 --> 0:22:23,006
Bankole: well, because there's a substantial male

649
0:22:23,046 --> 0:22:25,471
Bankole: perspective in this film, more than I would

650
0:22:25,491 --> 0:22:26,774
Bankole: have expected going in.

651
0:22:27,521 --> 0:22:29,343
Bankole: So I guess my question is actually twofold.

652
0:22:29,403 --> 0:22:31,065
Bankole: First of all, we know that this is

653
0:22:31,186 --> 0:22:34,490
Bankole: predominantly a female issue, or at least

654
0:22:34,530 --> 0:22:36,773
Bankole: they are the ones that consciously

655
0:22:37,254 --> 0:22:38,636
Bankole: recognize it right going in, like you said,

656
0:22:38,656 --> 0:22:41,259
Bankole: you didn't realize that it was a conscious

657
0:22:41,279 --> 0:22:43,262
Bankole: thing until you're like, wait, this doesn't

658
0:22:43,282 --> 0:22:43,702
Bankole: feel right.

659
0:22:44,043 --> 0:22:45,585
Bankole: So was there ever any hesitation on your

660
0:22:45,645 --> 0:22:48,650
Bankole: part in producing this film, or actually co

661
0:22:48,670 --> 0:22:49,311
Bankole: directing this film?

662
0:22:49,330 --> 0:22:51,173
Bankole: Because, like, am I telling someone else's

663
0:22:51,193 --> 0:22:54,177
Bankole: story and then conversely, what led to you

664
0:22:54,197 --> 0:22:57,544
Bankole: input in putting that male perspective and

665
0:22:57,565 --> 0:22:57,906
Bankole: the film?

666
0:23:00,360 --> 0:23:03,865
Jordan: I think what I wanted to get across from a

667
0:23:03,925 --> 0:23:05,687
Jordan: story or not a storytelling point of view,

668
0:23:05,727 --> 0:23:07,669
Jordan: but, you know, from a directorial

669
0:23:07,689 --> 0:23:10,793
Jordan: standpoint was to create that feeling that

670
0:23:10,913 --> 0:23:13,095
Jordan: I had when I had that initial conversation

671
0:23:13,135 --> 0:23:13,496
Jordan: with follow.

672
0:23:14,741 --> 0:23:18,085
Jordan: I found it very kind of revolutionary and

673
0:23:18,305 --> 0:23:21,689
Jordan: you know I had to look inwards and you know

674
0:23:21,709 --> 0:23:23,210
Jordan: so that realization I knew that would

675
0:23:23,270 --> 0:23:25,473
Jordan: resonate with a lot of people and, as you

676
0:23:25,513 --> 0:23:28,636
Jordan: said, the norm is just to have like a

677
0:23:28,676 --> 0:23:31,860
Jordan: female lead piece where people could easily

678
0:23:31,880 --> 0:23:33,642
Jordan: say, oh right, it's not that much of a big

679
0:23:33,662 --> 0:23:33,963
Jordan: problem.

680
0:23:34,443 --> 0:23:36,005
Jordan: But, you know, showing the scope of the

681
0:23:36,045 --> 0:23:38,449
Jordan: problem across male, female, different age

682
0:23:38,489 --> 0:23:38,809
Jordan: groups.

683
0:23:39,630 --> 0:23:41,192
Jordan: And there's a lot more we could have

684
0:23:41,212 --> 0:23:41,493
Jordan: covered.

685
0:23:41,593 --> 0:23:43,355
Jordan: But you know it's only 45 minutes that we

686
0:23:43,395 --> 0:23:43,535
Jordan: had.

687
0:23:45,141 --> 0:23:46,883
Jordan: We only kind of scratched the surface of it.

688
0:23:46,943 --> 0:23:49,286
Jordan: But you know we interview children as well.

689
0:23:50,267 --> 0:23:53,451
Jordan: We had stories from, you know, yeah, child

690
0:23:53,491 --> 0:23:54,833
Jordan: actors who were suffering.

691
0:23:54,853 --> 0:23:57,216
Jordan: So it's like, you know, the older

692
0:23:57,236 --> 0:23:58,978
Jordan: generation, the present generation, the

693
0:23:59,018 --> 0:24:00,940
Jordan: future generation, it's still a problem.

694
0:24:01,521 --> 0:24:03,604
Jordan: And you know the main point of this

695
0:24:03,664 --> 0:24:06,207
Jordan: documentary is to kind of force a change or

696
0:24:06,247 --> 0:24:09,092
Jordan: at least start the discussion around it.

697
0:24:09,733 --> 0:24:17,025
Bankole: Yeah, I like that idea that you wanted to

698
0:24:17,826 --> 0:24:21,330
Bankole: use your role as for lack of a better term

699
0:24:21,350 --> 0:24:23,612
Bankole: the minority here to kind of show everyone

700
0:24:23,652 --> 0:24:24,854
Bankole: else this is what we've been missing,

701
0:24:25,354 --> 0:24:26,655
Bankole: because it obviously there's a lot of

702
0:24:26,696 --> 0:24:29,418
Bankole: benefit in the person who owns the story

703
0:24:29,458 --> 0:24:30,960
Bankole: telling the story because it's their story,

704
0:24:31,200 --> 0:24:33,323
Bankole: but also I guess there's a benefit in me

705
0:24:33,363 --> 0:24:35,746
Bankole: saying I just found this out and I need

706
0:24:35,766 --> 0:24:36,728
Bankole: people to find us as well.

707
0:24:37,048 --> 0:24:39,792
Bankole: That's like you guys don't know what you

708
0:24:39,832 --> 0:24:41,053
Bankole: don't know, because I didn't know five

709
0:24:41,073 --> 0:24:41,494
Bankole: minutes ago.

710
0:24:41,895 --> 0:24:42,696
Bankole: So that's very interesting.

711
0:24:43,340 --> 0:24:44,662
Bankole: Can we go back a few seconds?

712
0:24:44,682 --> 0:24:48,686
Bankole: So Fallout comes to you, jordan, you go to

713
0:24:48,726 --> 0:24:50,808
Bankole: Lee, the three of you are together.

714
0:24:50,928 --> 0:24:53,430
Bankole: You're like we like this story, we're going

715
0:24:53,450 --> 0:24:55,132
Bankole: to self produce it, we're going to self

716
0:24:55,172 --> 0:24:58,656
Bankole: fund it, which I know that's incredibly

717
0:24:59,156 --> 0:24:59,657
Bankole: ambitious.

718
0:25:00,200 --> 0:25:01,001
Bankole: Some would say stupid.

719
0:25:01,022 --> 0:25:02,063
Bankole: They don't know what they're talking about.

720
0:25:04,406 --> 0:25:05,989
Bankole: What was that process like?

721
0:25:06,329 --> 0:25:08,072
Bankole: Self funding, self producing this

722
0:25:08,112 --> 0:25:09,554
Bankole: documentary that ends up at Sky?

723
0:25:11,020 --> 0:25:12,722
Lee: I think the first thing to speak about,

724
0:25:12,742 --> 0:25:14,524
Lee: though, is what you.

725
0:25:14,684 --> 0:25:16,606
Lee: The documentary you watched wasn't the

726
0:25:16,646 --> 0:25:17,487
Lee: initial documentary.

727
0:25:17,727 --> 0:25:19,068
Lee: Okay, documentary was.

728
0:25:19,549 --> 0:25:23,713
Lee: Was was a very small scope, much more scope

729
0:25:23,773 --> 0:25:24,014
Lee: it was.

730
0:25:24,534 --> 0:25:26,717
Lee: It was followed wanting to shed light on

731
0:25:26,757 --> 0:25:29,019
Lee: this, on this issue and the issue she has

732
0:25:29,039 --> 0:25:32,563
Lee: as a black actress, and it was a day in the

733
0:25:32,603 --> 0:25:33,403
Lee: salon she uses.

734
0:25:33,784 --> 0:25:35,445
Lee: She doesn't use any other salon, it's in

735
0:25:35,465 --> 0:25:37,908
Lee: the shortage called Kirtalk, and they still

736
0:25:37,928 --> 0:25:41,191
Lee: with curly hair, right, no matter what

737
0:25:41,231 --> 0:25:42,132
Lee: color you are, it's just curly hair.

738
0:25:42,172 --> 0:25:45,175
Lee: So we spent a day we shot this documentary

739
0:25:45,656 --> 0:25:49,783
Lee: in Kirtalk, and then, after that initial

740
0:25:49,984 --> 0:25:51,225
Lee: shooting day, and we look back at the

741
0:25:51,245 --> 0:25:52,046
Lee: footage and we've gone.

742
0:25:52,066 --> 0:25:53,007
Lee: This is great, great stuff.

743
0:25:53,027 --> 0:25:53,668
Lee: It's a good story.

744
0:25:54,629 --> 0:25:57,192
Lee: I don't know, I don't remember whose idea

745
0:25:57,212 --> 0:25:59,034
Lee: it was, but it was like this needs to be a

746
0:25:59,555 --> 0:26:00,716
Lee: way longer documentary.

747
0:26:00,960 --> 0:26:02,964
Lee: This is like the short thing, you see

748
0:26:03,004 --> 0:26:04,327
Lee: bigger, and I think it was also a

749
0:26:04,547 --> 0:26:06,752
Lee: conversation for them I had with one of her

750
0:26:06,792 --> 0:26:09,517
Lee: friends, who's also an actress, who said

751
0:26:09,557 --> 0:26:12,282
Lee: she wants it to her story, and then I think

752
0:26:12,322 --> 0:26:14,346
Lee: it's a snowball effect, with one person

753
0:26:14,386 --> 0:26:16,509
Lee: heard Everyone's like, oh, I got the same

754
0:26:16,549 --> 0:26:18,212
Lee: story, I want to speak, I want to speak, I

755
0:26:18,232 --> 0:26:21,558
Lee: want to speak, and I think that was the

756
0:26:21,618 --> 0:26:23,941
Lee: birthplace of the bigger documentary Just

757
0:26:23,961 --> 0:26:27,044
Lee: to add from that yeah, that's a good point,

758
0:26:27,264 --> 0:26:31,007
Lee: because from the get go, I think for the

759
0:26:31,067 --> 0:26:34,010
Lee: one to tell a short version of it and I

760
0:26:34,070 --> 0:26:36,753
Lee: kind of I was in a corner no matter what,

761
0:26:36,893 --> 0:26:39,255
Lee: so I always just left it, as you know you

762
0:26:39,295 --> 0:26:40,976
Lee: can make a series out of this, you can make

763
0:26:41,016 --> 0:26:42,841
Lee: a full feature out of this, but if you're

764
0:26:42,881 --> 0:26:45,623
Lee: adamant, you want to make a short call and,

765
0:26:45,703 --> 0:26:47,724
Lee: as Lee said, it's just that snowball effect.

766
0:26:48,005 --> 0:26:50,326
Jordan: So you can make sure of reviewing the

767
0:26:50,366 --> 0:26:57,392
Jordan: footage, the conversations with people, the

768
0:26:57,432 --> 0:27:00,054
Jordan: caliber of people that are willing to sit

769
0:27:00,094 --> 0:27:03,056
Jordan: down and talk on camera about their

770
0:27:03,236 --> 0:27:03,897
Jordan: experiences.

771
0:27:05,481 --> 0:27:06,862
Jordan: Yeah, it was, it was a no brainer.

772
0:27:06,983 --> 0:27:08,645
Jordan: And yeah, after that it was.

773
0:27:09,045 --> 0:27:10,267
Jordan: It just kept growing and growing and

774
0:27:10,287 --> 0:27:12,810
Jordan: growing to the point where there was an

775
0:27:12,911 --> 0:27:14,072
Jordan: abrupt stop to the process.

776
0:27:14,433 --> 0:27:15,674
Jordan: It was like, okay, we're not shooting, no

777
0:27:15,694 --> 0:27:15,854
Jordan: more.

778
0:27:17,781 --> 0:27:19,783
Lee: Okay, so now we did all the way back that

779
0:27:19,803 --> 0:27:21,945
Lee: we was an abrupt, he wasn't abrupt, he

780
0:27:21,965 --> 0:27:24,307
Lee: wasn't a general abruptness where we all

781
0:27:24,347 --> 0:27:25,388
Lee: agree Okay, we stop shooting.

782
0:27:25,408 --> 0:27:28,311
Lee: It was like, yeah, I'm shooting.

783
0:27:28,351 --> 0:27:31,474
Lee: Now we're like, no, no, it's more it's more

784
0:27:31,494 --> 0:27:32,335
Lee: we can get more.

785
0:27:36,381 --> 0:27:40,264
Jordan: But yeah, it was like I said, as Follower

786
0:27:40,304 --> 0:27:43,506
Jordan: always says, a labor of love, that's the

787
0:27:43,526 --> 0:27:43,847
Jordan: phrase.

788
0:27:44,267 --> 0:27:47,269
Jordan: A labor of love over a two year period.

789
0:27:48,090 --> 0:27:53,534
Jordan: And yeah, it's like I would always say

790
0:27:53,574 --> 0:27:55,295
Jordan: we're just scratching the surface.

791
0:27:55,375 --> 0:27:57,997
Jordan: There's so much more that could be covered,

792
0:27:58,097 --> 0:27:59,821
Jordan: that could be said, but saying that, I

793
0:27:59,861 --> 0:28:04,266
Jordan: think a lot of the power is in the, the,

794
0:28:04,887 --> 0:28:06,489
Jordan: the length of it at the moment.

795
0:28:06,509 --> 0:28:10,353
Jordan: So 45 minutes is short, impactful and

796
0:28:10,393 --> 0:28:12,135
Jordan: leaves room for a lot of discussion.

797
0:28:13,500 --> 0:28:15,842
Lee: But sorry, go back about the self producing

798
0:28:15,862 --> 0:28:16,063
Lee: thing.

799
0:28:16,703 --> 0:28:18,565
Lee: It's, it's.

800
0:28:19,406 --> 0:28:21,928
Lee: It's for any filmmaker, especially as well,

801
0:28:21,948 --> 0:28:23,729
Lee: like Vars not here, but a praise again for

802
0:28:23,749 --> 0:28:25,951
Lee: being a first time filmmaker obviously me

803
0:28:26,011 --> 0:28:28,794
Lee: and Tony quite a few times there but self

804
0:28:28,814 --> 0:28:32,137
Lee: funding and being a producer of and being a

805
0:28:32,177 --> 0:28:36,064
Lee: co director, imagine like she's an actress

806
0:28:36,104 --> 0:28:37,806
Lee: she's never been on the other side of the

807
0:28:37,826 --> 0:28:41,810
Lee: camera but watching her grow bit by bit,

808
0:28:42,071 --> 0:28:44,674
Lee: being followed actress, being followed

809
0:28:44,694 --> 0:28:46,015
Lee: director and being followed the producer.

810
0:28:46,035 --> 0:28:46,196
Bankole: Yeah.

811
0:28:47,060 --> 0:28:47,962
Lee: And so funding this thing.

812
0:28:48,242 --> 0:28:52,188
Lee: It was yeah, it's watching, like sounds bad,

813
0:28:52,208 --> 0:28:54,732
Lee: but watching the child his first steps and

814
0:28:54,752 --> 0:28:56,575
Lee: then start running and by the end of it,

815
0:28:56,735 --> 0:28:58,578
Lee: like I said I think I said it in a few

816
0:28:58,598 --> 0:28:59,960
Lee: interviews by the end of it she was on fire

817
0:29:00,501 --> 0:29:01,644
Lee: Like she.

818
0:29:01,744 --> 0:29:03,488
Lee: She was like she if she was an actress

819
0:29:03,508 --> 0:29:04,610
Lee: she'd be a great producer.

820
0:29:05,232 --> 0:29:06,655
Lee: And like self funding is like I said.

821
0:29:06,675 --> 0:29:08,820
Lee: He said one of the things he said is is

822
0:29:08,840 --> 0:29:08,960
Lee: stupid.

823
0:29:09,761 --> 0:29:12,045
Lee: It is like don't throw your own money at

824
0:29:12,085 --> 0:29:13,648
Lee: your project because he don't know, unless

825
0:29:13,688 --> 0:29:15,130
Lee: you got a deal, man, like don't throw your

826
0:29:15,150 --> 0:29:15,591
Lee: money at a project.

827
0:29:15,631 --> 0:29:17,434
Lee: But she had that much faith in what she was

828
0:29:17,454 --> 0:29:17,654
Lee: doing.

829
0:29:18,721 --> 0:29:20,585
Lee: She money spending the money wasn't the

830
0:29:20,625 --> 0:29:20,865
Lee: issue.

831
0:29:22,128 --> 0:29:24,352
Lee: Getting the story was the issue for her.

832
0:29:24,392 --> 0:29:25,754
Lee: That was the outcome was getting the story.

833
0:29:26,221 --> 0:29:28,205
Lee: And she had faith that it would be sold, no

834
0:29:28,225 --> 0:29:31,071
Lee: matter what, like power in what we should

835
0:29:31,091 --> 0:29:31,593
Lee: be capturing.

836
0:29:32,781 --> 0:29:34,103
Bankole: Hey, can I quickly ask you about that?

837
0:29:34,123 --> 0:29:38,830
Bankole: Because you, either between you or Fala's

838
0:29:39,290 --> 0:29:42,195
Bankole: contact book, you assemble like a quite

839
0:29:42,255 --> 0:29:44,458
Bankole: impressive roster of Oscar nominees and

840
0:29:44,498 --> 0:29:45,740
Bankole: BAFTA winners and Emmy winners and

841
0:29:45,760 --> 0:29:45,960
Bankole: everything.

842
0:29:46,682 --> 0:29:48,546
Bankole: So, without getting too much in it, we

843
0:29:48,566 --> 0:29:50,149
Bankole: don't need to reveal anything you're not

844
0:29:50,169 --> 0:29:50,630
Bankole: comfortable with.

845
0:29:50,650 --> 0:29:52,434
Bankole: But what was that process like?

846
0:29:52,494 --> 0:29:53,998
Bankole: And was there points when it clicked and

847
0:29:54,018 --> 0:29:56,426
Bankole: you're like, oh, we have something here?

848
0:29:57,441 --> 0:30:02,034
Jordan: Yeah, I guess it's kind of, as I mentioned

849
0:30:02,175 --> 0:30:06,022
Jordan: earlier, with the snowball effect, so the

850
0:30:06,082 --> 0:30:07,284
Jordan: acting industry is very small.

851
0:30:08,065 --> 0:30:10,367
Jordan: So you know, if someone's not a friend,

852
0:30:10,728 --> 0:30:12,610
Jordan: someone's a friend of a friend, or you know,

853
0:30:13,030 --> 0:30:15,653
Jordan: and you've got one person talking on camera,

854
0:30:16,614 --> 0:30:18,076
Jordan: then you realize, okay, so then that

855
0:30:18,116 --> 0:30:19,200
Jordan: person's accessible, all right.

856
0:30:19,220 --> 0:30:22,064
Jordan: So let me ask about person A or person B,

857
0:30:22,825 --> 0:30:24,728
Jordan: and when they come back and there's not too

858
0:30:24,768 --> 0:30:26,551
Jordan: many back and forth from there, instantly

859
0:30:27,813 --> 0:30:30,642
Jordan: interested, like I said, those were the

860
0:30:30,682 --> 0:30:30,983
Jordan: moments.

861
0:30:31,003 --> 0:30:31,724
Jordan: You know, oh wow.

862
0:30:32,306 --> 0:30:34,772
Jordan: You know we're going to be talking with

863
0:30:35,333 --> 0:30:37,519
Jordan: Naomie Harris, Nathalie Emmanuelle and so

864
0:30:37,559 --> 0:30:39,851
Jordan: on and so on, and you know the fact that

865
0:30:39,891 --> 0:30:44,729
Jordan: they're still going through issues is mind

866
0:30:45,170 --> 0:30:45,451
Jordan: blowing.

867
0:30:46,943 --> 0:30:49,249
Lee: There was that moment as well where we had

868
0:30:49,410 --> 0:30:50,272
Lee: our what's the word?

869
0:30:50,320 --> 0:30:53,407
Lee: White whale, right, I think we had a couple,

870
0:30:53,427 --> 0:30:55,242
Lee: to be honest, like it's a few, but like I

871
0:30:55,302 --> 0:30:57,869
Lee: remember like it was like what are the

872
0:30:57,889 --> 0:30:58,891
Lee: conversations about?

873
0:30:59,382 --> 0:31:00,286
Lee: Did we start filming now?

874
0:31:02,044 --> 0:31:03,949
Lee: And like, obviously Folla's using contacts,

875
0:31:04,009 --> 0:31:05,372
Lee: everyone's using contacts and she's like,

876
0:31:06,583 --> 0:31:08,568
Lee: like Jordan said, the community is small,

877
0:31:08,628 --> 0:31:09,991
Lee: so everyone knows everybody else by

878
0:31:10,011 --> 0:31:11,002
Lee: probably one degree.

879
0:31:11,760 --> 0:31:14,126
Lee: So like I think Fola must have sent off an

880
0:31:14,186 --> 0:31:16,431
Lee: email to Naomie Harris way, way back in the

881
0:31:16,471 --> 0:31:16,732
Lee: start.

882
0:31:17,460 --> 0:31:18,684
Lee: And so, towards the end of the process,

883
0:31:18,704 --> 0:31:19,667
Lee: we're about to wind down.

884
0:31:19,867 --> 0:31:21,191
Lee: Literally, I think we better stop filming

885
0:31:21,500 --> 0:31:22,182
Lee: when Folla was like.

886
0:31:22,684 --> 0:31:24,790
Lee: Folla was like she's just multi-part

887
0:31:24,830 --> 0:31:25,211
Lee: messages.

888
0:31:25,320 --> 0:31:26,981
Lee: So she's like I got great news and we're

889
0:31:27,001 --> 0:31:28,407
Lee: just like what's the great news?

890
0:31:29,141 --> 0:31:30,725
Lee: She's like Naomie Harris, and I think

891
0:31:31,126 --> 0:31:33,111
Lee: that's that's when it's like for me.

892
0:31:33,171 --> 0:31:33,632
Lee: I took back.

893
0:31:33,680 --> 0:31:35,485
Lee: I was like okay, we've got all these great

894
0:31:35,526 --> 0:31:37,762
Lee: actresses and Naomie Harris, this is, this

895
0:31:37,822 --> 0:31:38,345
Lee: is insane.

896
0:31:38,520 --> 0:31:41,327
Lee: So yeah, through the whole process I was

897
0:31:41,367 --> 0:31:43,693
Lee: quite chuffed with the amount of people on

898
0:31:43,760 --> 0:31:46,469
Lee: camera, especially like the male actors we

899
0:31:46,489 --> 0:31:46,870
Lee: got as well.

900
0:31:47,100 --> 0:31:49,287
Lee: Like I was just like yeah, this is, this is

901
0:31:49,347 --> 0:31:51,123
Lee: way beyond special, like, and it's all

902
0:31:51,143 --> 0:31:53,284
Lee: these UK actors as well, it's just great to

903
0:31:53,304 --> 0:31:55,345
Lee: see Even my mum knew some of them, which is

904
0:31:55,365 --> 0:31:55,505
Lee: good.

905
0:31:58,947 --> 0:32:01,073
Bankole: That was a great test to know how, how far

906
0:32:01,093 --> 0:32:03,280
Bankole: you've made it, when, when, when, the mums

907
0:32:03,420 --> 0:32:04,041
Bankole: know about you.

908
0:32:08,709 --> 0:32:11,333
Bankole: Animation plays a pivotal part in this, in

909
0:32:11,353 --> 0:32:11,754
Bankole: this film.

910
0:32:12,440 --> 0:32:13,843
Bankole: How early in the process.

911
0:32:13,883 --> 0:32:14,585
Bankole: Obviously, you said this.

912
0:32:14,925 --> 0:32:17,591
Bankole: The final version was not what was planned

913
0:32:17,611 --> 0:32:19,362
Bankole: originally, so how early in this, I guess,

914
0:32:19,382 --> 0:32:20,305
Bankole: the new process do you know?

915
0:32:20,325 --> 0:32:21,569
Bankole: Okay, we're going to use animation here.

916
0:32:22,581 --> 0:32:24,626
Bankole: I heard Alex from Don Dada Studios talk

917
0:32:24,646 --> 0:32:26,070
Bankole: about how they incorporated their own

918
0:32:26,130 --> 0:32:28,185
Bankole: experiences in crafting the animation.

919
0:32:28,300 --> 0:32:30,187
Bankole: So was that something you wanted to do?

920
0:32:30,480 --> 0:32:31,744
Bankole: You wanted to get someone that had personal

921
0:32:31,784 --> 0:32:33,229
Bankole: experience, or was that just a happy

922
0:32:33,269 --> 0:32:33,751
Bankole: coincidence?

923
0:32:33,860 --> 0:32:36,107
Bankole: How did animation come to play part in the

924
0:32:36,147 --> 0:32:36,749
Bankole: final version?

925
0:32:37,300 --> 0:32:40,491
Jordan: I think I'm very sure that was for this

926
0:32:40,571 --> 0:32:42,839
Jordan: idea in the initial, because when we, when

927
0:32:42,859 --> 0:32:45,770
Jordan: we had spoken initially and started

928
0:32:45,890 --> 0:32:48,138
Jordan: expanding it obviously something like this

929
0:32:48,158 --> 0:32:50,023
Jordan: there's a danger of it just being interview

930
0:32:50,063 --> 0:32:52,369
Jordan: heavy constantly thinking of ways to kind

931
0:32:52,389 --> 0:32:52,930
Jordan: of break it up.

932
0:32:54,320 --> 0:32:58,207
Jordan: So she had mentioned animation and, yeah,

933
0:32:58,227 --> 0:33:00,652
Jordan: that was pretty much in the process before

934
0:33:00,692 --> 0:33:01,273
Jordan: most of the filming.

935
0:33:01,940 --> 0:33:04,565
Jordan: So very, very early on to the point where

936
0:33:06,128 --> 0:33:09,213
Jordan: the documentary had, like I said, it keeps

937
0:33:09,253 --> 0:33:09,734
Jordan: expanding.

938
0:33:10,421 --> 0:33:13,389
Jordan: So really it was, it was to serve a shorter

939
0:33:13,430 --> 0:33:16,790
Jordan: piece and then the worry was are we still

940
0:33:16,810 --> 0:33:19,179
Jordan: going to be able to use it in this longer

941
0:33:19,199 --> 0:33:20,142
Jordan: version that we now have?

942
0:33:22,460 --> 0:33:25,409
Jordan: I was always confident that it would work

943
0:33:25,780 --> 0:33:28,447
Jordan: and, yeah, thankfully, you know, once it

944
0:33:28,488 --> 0:33:30,943
Jordan: was all finished it did and I think it

945
0:33:30,963 --> 0:33:32,026
Jordan: breaks up the piece nicely.

946
0:33:33,580 --> 0:33:36,469
Jordan: So, yeah, big, big shout out to Alex from

947
0:33:36,509 --> 0:33:36,910
Jordan: Dundada.

948
0:33:37,962 --> 0:33:41,675
Bankole: Yeah you can definitely feel the personal

949
0:33:41,736 --> 0:33:43,702
Bankole: touch from the animation, like it's not

950
0:33:43,722 --> 0:33:46,088
Bankole: just somebody trying to draw Fola and

951
0:33:46,128 --> 0:33:48,562
Bankole: trying to draw what it means for a mother

952
0:33:48,602 --> 0:33:50,268
Bankole: to brush her daughter's hair.

953
0:33:50,340 --> 0:33:51,966
Bankole: You can feel that as like somebody's lived

954
0:33:51,986 --> 0:33:53,895
Bankole: in experience and that was I was working on

955
0:33:53,915 --> 0:33:53,956
Bankole: it.

956
0:33:54,300 --> 0:33:56,086
Bankole: It makes sense that that's something that

957
0:33:56,106 --> 0:33:57,941
Bankole: has been there from day one and it was just

958
0:33:57,961 --> 0:34:00,607
Bankole: like it just evolved to the story as it

959
0:34:00,647 --> 0:34:01,047
Bankole: went on.

960
0:34:03,660 --> 0:34:05,304
Bankole: Speaking of moms, I know this is the scene

961
0:34:05,324 --> 0:34:07,650
Bankole: that, like Priscilla and I both really like,

962
0:34:08,962 --> 0:34:11,403
Bankole: but please correct me if I'm wrong how I

963
0:34:11,443 --> 0:34:14,333
Bankole: feel, like once your host has a white mom

964
0:34:14,795 --> 0:34:16,420
Bankole: who is also an anthropologist, you know

965
0:34:16,540 --> 0:34:17,805
Bankole: very early on that that's going to play

966
0:34:17,845 --> 0:34:19,541
Bankole: pivotal role in documentary and you know

967
0:34:19,561 --> 0:34:21,146
Bankole: that, look, at some point we're going to

968
0:34:21,166 --> 0:34:22,601
Bankole: have to talk to your mom about this because,

969
0:34:22,621 --> 0:34:24,931
Bankole: like, who's going to give us better, better

970
0:34:24,992 --> 0:34:25,293
Bankole: knowledge?

971
0:34:25,775 --> 0:34:26,800
Bankole: What was that like?

972
0:34:27,121 --> 0:34:29,280
Bankole: Because that scene is incredible, the

973
0:34:29,380 --> 0:34:31,447
Bankole: breath of knowledge that she goes through

974
0:34:31,527 --> 0:34:34,124
Bankole: in what three minutes it's just I don't

975
0:34:34,365 --> 0:34:34,445
Bankole: know.

976
0:34:34,465 --> 0:34:35,409
Bankole: She speak about that scene.

977
0:34:35,801 --> 0:34:36,765
Jordan: Can you say three minutes?

978
0:34:37,380 --> 0:34:39,568
Jordan: You know, again there was a lot more times.

979
0:34:40,442 --> 0:34:43,686
Bankole: Oh, I had a feeling yeah, we had a feeling

980
0:34:43,706 --> 0:34:44,328
Bankole: that was the case.

981
0:34:44,900 --> 0:34:45,563
Priscilla: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

982
0:34:46,681 --> 0:34:48,166
Jordan: Yeah, my mom's amazing.

983
0:34:49,560 --> 0:34:50,645
Jordan: You meet her and just speak to her.

984
0:34:50,665 --> 0:34:54,544
Jordan: Generally, it's my general aura, so I'm so

985
0:34:54,584 --> 0:34:56,769
Jordan: pleased that that translated on screen as

986
0:34:56,830 --> 0:34:57,030
Jordan: well.

987
0:34:57,940 --> 0:35:02,248
Jordan: And again, that was something that Folla

988
0:35:02,568 --> 0:35:03,570
Jordan: knew she wanted to include.

989
0:35:05,940 --> 0:35:08,506
Jordan: You know, a lot of our conversations were

990
0:35:08,626 --> 0:35:11,532
Jordan: about how to expand, how to make it

991
0:35:11,572 --> 0:35:15,547
Jordan: different, how to make it approach it as a

992
0:35:15,567 --> 0:35:19,194
Jordan: 360 approach, the documentary on the whole.

993
0:35:19,620 --> 0:35:22,746
Jordan: So a lot of these ideas were already

994
0:35:22,786 --> 0:35:25,752
Jordan: brought to the table and then it was just

995
0:35:25,792 --> 0:35:26,773
Jordan: constant refinement.

996
0:35:27,280 --> 0:35:30,569
Jordan: So again, it was Folla birthed and created

997
0:35:30,609 --> 0:35:34,285
Jordan: the piece and from there it was just the

998
0:35:34,325 --> 0:35:34,846
Jordan: three of us.

999
0:35:35,167 --> 0:35:39,041
Jordan: You know it was a playground, so to speak,

1000
0:35:39,422 --> 0:35:41,448
Jordan: for us to just keep talking about refining

1001
0:35:41,468 --> 0:35:42,611
Jordan: in it and how to make it.

1002
0:35:43,440 --> 0:35:51,734
Jordan: Yeah, just to attack it in a 360 way.

1003
0:35:51,774 --> 0:35:55,313
Bankole: Yeah, no, no, no, no, that answers the

1004
0:35:55,353 --> 0:35:55,695
Bankole: question.

1005
0:35:55,715 --> 0:35:56,720
Bankole: That answers it perfectly.

1006
0:35:58,004 --> 0:36:00,712
Priscilla: So I think the main thing when coming back

1007
0:36:00,732 --> 0:36:03,180
Priscilla: from documentary which I was I mean I told

1008
0:36:03,240 --> 0:36:04,987
Priscilla: Jordan this when he first came on which I

1009
0:36:05,007 --> 0:36:07,517
Priscilla: thought I've seen many of Black care

1010
0:36:07,538 --> 0:36:10,206
Priscilla: documentary and this was probably the most

1011
0:36:10,547 --> 0:36:12,803
Priscilla: well done, so I think it gets the

1012
0:36:12,823 --> 0:36:13,867
Priscilla: perspective of everyone.

1013
0:36:14,500 --> 0:36:16,245
Priscilla: So I think sometimes we tend to I think

1014
0:36:16,265 --> 0:36:18,270
Priscilla: they tend to pigeonhole, pigeonhole

1015
0:36:18,290 --> 0:36:20,948
Priscilla: themselves in specific areas within Black

1016
0:36:20,968 --> 0:36:23,538
Priscilla: care, but to get both the male and female

1017
0:36:23,578 --> 0:36:25,145
Priscilla: experience of what it's like to actually be

1018
0:36:25,165 --> 0:36:26,632
Priscilla: in this industry and getting your hair done

1019
0:36:27,275 --> 0:36:28,801
Priscilla: like men are going through.

1020
0:36:29,382 --> 0:36:30,905
Priscilla: Just I can't imagine trying to get a trim

1021
0:36:31,707 --> 0:36:34,372
Priscilla: in Hollywood and the barbers not on it at

1022
0:36:34,493 --> 0:36:34,593
Priscilla: all.

1023
0:36:35,260 --> 0:36:36,985
Priscilla: But the main thing I wanted to know about

1024
0:36:37,085 --> 0:36:40,052
Priscilla: from what documentary was was there a story

1025
0:36:40,132 --> 0:36:41,785
Priscilla: that one of the actresses or actresses told

1026
0:36:41,825 --> 0:36:43,410
Priscilla: you that actually shocked you, because

1027
0:36:43,550 --> 0:36:45,246
Priscilla: there's things that we know about before.

1028
0:36:45,980 --> 0:36:48,169
Priscilla: I mean what I think, what I took a while

1029
0:36:48,209 --> 0:36:48,791
Priscilla: shocked about?

1030
0:36:48,851 --> 0:36:51,281
Priscilla: Even I thought this could, maybe it'll

1031
0:36:51,301 --> 0:36:53,190
Priscilla: happen, but I thought surely not.

1032
0:36:53,612 --> 0:36:55,039
Priscilla: Was any one of the actresses talked about

1033
0:36:55,059 --> 0:36:58,167
Priscilla: how she had to send a video of tutorial on

1034
0:36:58,207 --> 0:36:59,490
Priscilla: how her hair needs to be done?

1035
0:36:59,510 --> 0:37:00,532
Priscilla: That completely.

1036
0:37:01,341 --> 0:37:01,461
Bankole: I was.

1037
0:37:01,521 --> 0:37:03,065
Bankole: I think that was follow, wasn't it?

1038
0:37:03,486 --> 0:37:04,207
Priscilla: Follow herself.

1039
0:37:04,247 --> 0:37:06,091
Priscilla: Yeah, yeah, follow herself.

1040
0:37:07,320 --> 0:37:08,981
Priscilla: And I was completely shocked the idea that

1041
0:37:09,001 --> 0:37:10,847
Priscilla: you have to send a video on how to do

1042
0:37:10,887 --> 0:37:11,408
Priscilla: someone's hair.

1043
0:37:12,280 --> 0:37:13,844
Priscilla: But is there any other stories that the

1044
0:37:13,905 --> 0:37:15,770
Priscilla: actresses or actresses have told you that

1045
0:37:15,810 --> 0:37:18,586
Priscilla: you thought, okay, wow, this is a lot worse

1046
0:37:18,626 --> 0:37:19,468
Priscilla: than I actually thought.

1047
0:37:20,940 --> 0:37:24,306
Jordan: I would say that I wouldn't pinpoint any

1048
0:37:24,526 --> 0:37:32,227
Jordan: one story, and I say that because each was

1049
0:37:32,267 --> 0:37:33,771
Jordan: so different and shocking.

1050
0:37:34,580 --> 0:37:36,183
Jordan: So the fact that you've got people's hair

1051
0:37:36,223 --> 0:37:40,132
Jordan: that's damaged falling out, is people with

1052
0:37:41,100 --> 0:37:43,367
Jordan: you know, live court cases.

1053
0:37:45,483 --> 0:37:48,771
Jordan: So each time I don't know that you can, you

1054
0:37:48,791 --> 0:37:50,943
Jordan: can chime in, but yeah, each time I sat

1055
0:37:50,983 --> 0:37:57,517
Jordan: down was just like a wow, kind of well, you

1056
0:37:57,537 --> 0:38:00,223
Jordan: know, because again, with this 45 minute

1057
0:38:00,283 --> 0:38:02,808
Jordan: piece, some people's individual interviews

1058
0:38:02,848 --> 0:38:05,133
Jordan: were longer than the out piece.

1059
0:38:06,663 --> 0:38:09,069
Jordan: Yeah, it's, it's hard to pick out one

1060
0:38:09,490 --> 0:38:12,775
Jordan: individual story, but yeah, they were all

1061
0:38:12,836 --> 0:38:13,380
Jordan: revolutionary.

1062
0:38:14,483 --> 0:38:16,349
Lee: Yeah, though I think that I think you're

1063
0:38:16,370 --> 0:38:16,490
Lee: right.

1064
0:38:16,580 --> 0:38:18,426
Lee: For me there was no one story.

1065
0:38:19,340 --> 0:38:21,986
Lee: Actually there is one story, but it's not a

1066
0:38:22,387 --> 0:38:23,229
Lee: bad story, it's a good one.

1067
0:38:23,249 --> 0:38:24,392
Lee: I think it's OC right.

1068
0:38:24,740 --> 0:38:27,185
Lee: He speaks about getting his hair done, with

1069
0:38:27,205 --> 0:38:30,820
Lee: the white female barber cut his hair and he

1070
0:38:30,840 --> 0:38:31,784
Lee: was shocked when she got it right.

1071
0:38:32,520 --> 0:38:34,305
Lee: That's the story for me, like in terms of

1072
0:38:34,345 --> 0:38:36,591
Lee: like the more shocking in a good way.

1073
0:38:38,182 --> 0:38:40,667
Lee: By the way, all the other stuff it sounds

1074
0:38:40,727 --> 0:38:43,633
Lee: bad, but I expect it like after like

1075
0:38:43,773 --> 0:38:45,684
Lee: hearing the first few, like they all told

1076
0:38:45,704 --> 0:38:46,768
Lee: it very differently, all very different

1077
0:38:46,788 --> 0:38:48,302
Lee: experience and everyone has a very

1078
0:38:48,422 --> 0:38:49,487
Lee: different emotional response.

1079
0:38:49,800 --> 0:38:51,225
Lee: I mean, I think, like I think it was a

1080
0:38:52,027 --> 0:38:53,702
Lee: Dominique Tipper she had.

1081
0:38:53,882 --> 0:38:56,047
Lee: Obviously she speaks about having great

1082
0:38:56,107 --> 0:39:00,185
Lee: experience, about experiences, but like her

1083
0:39:00,205 --> 0:39:01,148
Lee: and also everyone's energy is very

1084
0:39:01,188 --> 0:39:01,429
Lee: different.

1085
0:39:01,640 --> 0:39:05,975
Lee: Like she was very, she was like a, she was,

1086
0:39:06,015 --> 0:39:07,260
Lee: she was adamant that this is going to make

1087
0:39:07,280 --> 0:39:07,721
Lee: the change.

1088
0:39:07,801 --> 0:39:09,225
Lee: Like her energy was that, like she's going

1089
0:39:09,245 --> 0:39:10,589
Lee: to her story and this is making change

1090
0:39:10,649 --> 0:39:10,789
Lee: Right.

1091
0:39:12,080 --> 0:39:13,444
Lee: So her story as well, one that stuck with

1092
0:39:13,464 --> 0:39:14,688
Lee: me just to her whole interview because of

1093
0:39:14,748 --> 0:39:17,485
Lee: her energy, but also her whole story was

1094
0:39:17,526 --> 0:39:19,494
Lee: great because also in building the

1095
0:39:19,534 --> 0:39:21,301
Lee: documentary, I think it's in the

1096
0:39:21,321 --> 0:39:23,561
Lee: conversation we had a few times it was also

1097
0:39:23,581 --> 0:39:25,729
Lee: about this can't be like a crying piece,

1098
0:39:26,501 --> 0:39:28,124
Lee: it's just tears, but it also has to have

1099
0:39:28,145 --> 0:39:31,371
Lee: some some joy about our wonderful hair and

1100
0:39:31,391 --> 0:39:33,725
Lee: about our skin, has to have some joy in it

1101
0:39:33,765 --> 0:39:36,767
Lee: as well and like just just some of that.

1102
0:39:36,827 --> 0:39:38,110
Lee: Having that in the documentary as well is

1103
0:39:38,171 --> 0:39:40,628
Lee: important and some of the edges different

1104
0:39:40,709 --> 0:39:42,878
Lee: edges brought into the documentary gave us

1105
0:39:42,918 --> 0:39:46,366
Lee: those joyous moments like OC and I think

1106
0:39:46,406 --> 0:39:47,950
Lee: David had a few few laughs, yeah.

1107
0:39:47,970 --> 0:39:48,731
Priscilla: There's many more laughs.

1108
0:39:48,751 --> 0:39:51,002
Lee: By the way, there's many more laughs in

1109
0:39:51,022 --> 0:39:52,063
Lee: there, especially from, like, some of the

1110
0:39:52,124 --> 0:39:52,644
Lee: older actresses.

1111
0:39:52,664 --> 0:39:53,406
Lee: You know, miyaki.

1112
0:39:53,486 --> 0:39:56,130
Lee: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, she has a great one

1113
0:39:56,170 --> 0:39:56,430
Lee: as well.

1114
0:39:57,051 --> 0:39:58,674
Priscilla: It's just building on what you're saying.

1115
0:39:59,700 --> 0:40:02,226
Priscilla: Is there a conversation that you want to be

1116
0:40:02,306 --> 0:40:05,561
Priscilla: built on from the documentary that you know

1117
0:40:05,802 --> 0:40:06,987
Priscilla: building on what you're saying, of course,

1118
0:40:07,028 --> 0:40:09,720
Priscilla: that whilst there have been many terrible

1119
0:40:09,820 --> 0:40:11,769
Priscilla: experiences with black hair within this

1120
0:40:11,809 --> 0:40:13,497
Priscilla: industry, but, however, there have been

1121
0:40:13,517 --> 0:40:15,145
Priscilla: some life spots where, like what you're

1122
0:40:15,165 --> 0:40:16,412
Priscilla: saying, many of the some of the actors were

1123
0:40:16,432 --> 0:40:16,935
Priscilla: saying you know what?

1124
0:40:16,955 --> 0:40:17,940
Priscilla: This person got my trim right.

1125
0:40:18,080 --> 0:40:19,685
Priscilla: It was actually really nice and it made it

1126
0:40:19,745 --> 0:40:20,889
Priscilla: easier for me to go into work.

1127
0:40:21,660 --> 0:40:23,564
Priscilla: Is there any other conversations alongside

1128
0:40:23,604 --> 0:40:25,309
Priscilla: that one that you want people to take away

1129
0:40:25,701 --> 0:40:26,868
Priscilla: from watching a documentary?

1130
0:40:29,077 --> 0:40:29,839
Lee: take away.

1131
0:40:31,001 --> 0:40:32,845
Lee: Funnily enough, there's one thing I would

1132
0:40:32,865 --> 0:40:33,246
Lee: have loved.

1133
0:40:33,467 --> 0:40:34,796
Lee: I think me and Jordan both would have

1134
0:40:34,816 --> 0:40:36,039
Lee: gotten into the documentary that we

1135
0:40:36,180 --> 0:40:37,944
Lee: couldn't fit in because of time constraints,

1136
0:40:39,235 --> 0:40:41,461
Lee: and I think the message what I would like

1137
0:40:41,562 --> 0:40:45,653
Lee: people to think about is what can I do as

1138
0:40:46,496 --> 0:40:48,200
Lee: someone who works in the industry to

1139
0:40:49,001 --> 0:40:54,334
Lee: further the knowledge bridge, the knowledge

1140
0:40:54,374 --> 0:40:58,523
Lee: gap, for people who can't do black text?

1141
0:40:58,643 --> 0:41:00,066
Lee: We had this issue as well about phrasing

1142
0:41:00,668 --> 0:41:05,247
Lee: the term with about hair, filling that

1143
0:41:05,428 --> 0:41:06,010
Lee: knowledge gap.

1144
0:41:06,411 --> 0:41:07,314
Lee: How do you fill that knowledge gap?

1145
0:41:07,374 --> 0:41:09,018
Lee: I think that's what people want people to

1146
0:41:09,038 --> 0:41:11,164
Lee: take away from it more than all the issues

1147
0:41:11,205 --> 0:41:11,746
Lee: people have had.

1148
0:41:11,995 --> 0:41:13,643
Lee: The issue people have had should be the

1149
0:41:13,683 --> 0:41:15,772
Lee: catapult to bridging the knowledge gap.

1150
0:41:16,174 --> 0:41:17,338
Lee: And there's another whole conversation

1151
0:41:17,358 --> 0:41:19,163
Lee: about knowledge gap we found with some

1152
0:41:19,204 --> 0:41:20,316
Lee: other stuff that didn't make into the

1153
0:41:20,336 --> 0:41:20,857
Lee: documentary.

1154
0:41:21,359 --> 0:41:23,765
Lee: Like, if you're in London, you should be

1155
0:41:23,785 --> 0:41:25,277
Lee: able to fill that knowledge gap pretty

1156
0:41:25,357 --> 0:41:28,184
Lee: easily right, because London has a large

1157
0:41:28,225 --> 0:41:28,806
Lee: black population.

1158
0:41:28,846 --> 0:41:30,379
Lee: But if you live in someone like Carlisle,

1159
0:41:31,002 --> 0:41:33,531
Lee: how, if you're a hair artist, how of any

1160
0:41:34,133 --> 0:41:35,959
Lee: color, how do you get to do black hair in

1161
0:41:35,999 --> 0:41:36,801
Lee: Carlisle or Scotland?

1162
0:41:37,162 --> 0:41:38,715
Lee: Like there are black people there but

1163
0:41:38,735 --> 0:41:41,868
Lee: access to them as a hairstylist that's part

1164
0:41:41,888 --> 0:41:42,791
Lee: of the knowledge gap as well.

1165
0:41:42,831 --> 0:41:45,341
Lee: Like it's okay, saying you need to learn

1166
0:41:45,361 --> 0:41:46,906
Lee: that, but how do I learn that?

1167
0:41:47,729 --> 0:41:51,002
Lee: And that comes with where you are in the UK

1168
0:41:51,022 --> 0:41:53,151
Lee: or in the world and also having someone

1169
0:41:53,171 --> 0:41:54,877
Lee: like Kevin Fortune's Academy where you can

1170
0:41:55,158 --> 0:41:56,441
Lee: go and do that and like.

1171
0:41:56,702 --> 0:41:58,226
Lee: Another story is like in Kevin Fortune's

1172
0:41:58,366 --> 0:41:58,647
Lee: Academy.

1173
0:41:58,695 --> 0:42:00,559
Lee: We went there and this lovely lady from

1174
0:42:00,640 --> 0:42:03,146
Lee: Canada came from Canada to train a black

1175
0:42:03,166 --> 0:42:05,419
Lee: hair and she was mixed race but live in a

1176
0:42:05,439 --> 0:42:07,925
Lee: white family and never got to do black hair

1177
0:42:08,306 --> 0:42:09,958
Lee: and she came all that way just to train at

1178
0:42:09,999 --> 0:42:10,801
Lee: his amazing Academy.

1179
0:42:11,202 --> 0:42:14,802
Lee: So that's for me, that's a story of.

1180
0:42:14,822 --> 0:42:15,966
Lee: That's the people to take away from.

1181
0:42:15,986 --> 0:42:18,314
Lee: The documentary is just bridging the

1182
0:42:18,334 --> 0:42:20,159
Lee: knowledge gap for everybody because, like

1183
0:42:20,560 --> 0:42:22,725
Lee: my mom's hairdresser, she can do everyone's

1184
0:42:22,766 --> 0:42:23,715
Lee: hair because she had to.

1185
0:42:24,658 --> 0:42:24,858
Priscilla: Yeah.

1186
0:42:24,919 --> 0:42:26,683
Lee: And I mean most of the population is has

1187
0:42:26,743 --> 0:42:28,375
Lee: Caucasian hair, so you have to learn to do

1188
0:42:28,416 --> 0:42:31,342
Lee: it, so you know and like yeah, it's just

1189
0:42:31,363 --> 0:42:31,603
Lee: crazy.

1190
0:42:31,864 --> 0:42:33,956
Lee: It's just crazy Like the knowledge gap is

1191
0:42:33,976 --> 0:42:36,222
Lee: the issue and feeling that gap is what

1192
0:42:36,242 --> 0:42:37,466
Lee: would people to think about?

1193
0:42:38,457 --> 0:42:41,222
Bankole: Yeah, I mean I can't remember if it was for

1194
0:42:41,242 --> 0:42:44,269
Bankole: last mom or I thought I was talking about

1195
0:42:44,289 --> 0:42:46,139
Bankole: it, but it's just the idea of us being

1196
0:42:46,460 --> 0:42:49,567
Bankole: other right, like a black hairdresser would

1197
0:42:49,587 --> 0:42:52,801
Bankole: know how to deal with white hair, but a

1198
0:42:52,841 --> 0:42:54,845
Bankole: white hairdresser thinks, because black and

1199
0:42:54,885 --> 0:42:57,152
Bankole: curly hair and whatever that's other I

1200
0:42:57,301 --> 0:42:59,543
Bankole: don't need to, like, really know about, and

1201
0:42:59,692 --> 0:43:01,407
Bankole: it's just obviously the document is really

1202
0:43:01,447 --> 0:43:03,349
Bankole: good because not only does it paint this

1203
0:43:03,509 --> 0:43:05,872
Bankole: problem, he also gives advice, it gives

1204
0:43:06,155 --> 0:43:07,779
Bankole: things that could be solutions and I think,

1205
0:43:08,140 --> 0:43:09,825
Bankole: yes, like you said, the knowledge gap,

1206
0:43:10,506 --> 0:43:13,104
Bankole: people actually wanting to make changes,

1207
0:43:13,144 --> 0:43:15,011
Bankole: people actually wanting to learn the

1208
0:43:15,031 --> 0:43:16,897
Bankole: different, like yeah, I don't know, it's

1209
0:43:17,820 --> 0:43:19,023
Bankole: like everything, I guess it just comes on

1210
0:43:19,063 --> 0:43:22,138
Bankole: people actually wanting to, willing to, to

1211
0:43:22,439 --> 0:43:23,140
Bankole: see the change.

1212
0:43:23,361 --> 0:43:26,547
Bankole: And this is not even in any way comparable,

1213
0:43:26,587 --> 0:43:28,958
Bankole: but when I did, when I was working on my

1214
0:43:29,059 --> 0:43:30,885
Bankole: short film it was the first show I've ever

1215
0:43:30,946 --> 0:43:34,477
Bankole: done and my co-director is white and I was

1216
0:43:34,657 --> 0:43:37,063
Bankole: we self funding, hence the stupid comment

1217
0:43:37,163 --> 0:43:39,877
Bankole: earlier and I I was like, look, we don't

1218
0:43:39,917 --> 0:43:41,120
Bankole: have any money, but there are two things

1219
0:43:41,622 --> 0:43:42,766
Bankole: I'm going to have to pay for.

1220
0:43:42,955 --> 0:43:45,301
Bankole: I mean, if I have to take out a loan for a

1221
0:43:45,341 --> 0:43:48,788
Bankole: DP that can light black people and make up

1222
0:43:48,895 --> 0:43:50,459
Bankole: artists, hair, make up artists for for

1223
0:43:50,760 --> 0:43:52,544
Bankole: black women, because black men are cast.

1224
0:43:53,005 --> 0:43:54,477
Bankole: Those are two things.

1225
0:43:54,577 --> 0:43:57,990
Bankole: Anything else I could stay up late and cook

1226
0:43:58,231 --> 0:43:59,716
Bankole: for the cast and crew and bring that as

1227
0:43:59,756 --> 0:44:01,721
Bankole: food, as catering, whatever it takes, but

1228
0:44:01,761 --> 0:44:03,045
Bankole: those two things we need to have

1229
0:44:03,225 --> 0:44:05,663
Bankole: professionals do this and I just I don't

1230
0:44:05,683 --> 0:44:05,763
Bankole: know.

1231
0:44:05,823 --> 0:44:07,893
Bankole: I think obviously I'm a black man.

1232
0:44:07,913 --> 0:44:10,423
Bankole: I've heard the black story, so maybe I'm

1233
0:44:10,463 --> 0:44:11,608
Bankole: more sympathetic to everything.

1234
0:44:11,728 --> 0:44:14,117
Bankole: But like, just people just need to be from

1235
0:44:14,198 --> 0:44:17,187
Bankole: everywhere, from Warner Brothers and Disney

1236
0:44:17,307 --> 0:44:20,156
Bankole: all the way down to the, the short film

1237
0:44:20,196 --> 0:44:21,299
Bankole: production down the road.

1238
0:44:21,339 --> 0:44:22,923
Bankole: I think just to Priscilla's point.

1239
0:44:22,963 --> 0:44:25,919
Bankole: Earlier, I think was Madeleine stating how,

1240
0:44:25,939 --> 0:44:27,944
Bankole: like she doesn't have one good memory.

1241
0:44:28,665 --> 0:44:29,447
Bankole: That just broke my heart.

1242
0:44:29,575 --> 0:44:31,102
Bankole: She's been on CW for like 10 years.

1243
0:44:31,222 --> 0:44:33,372
Bankole: Yeah, I was like how how do you not have

1244
0:44:33,774 --> 0:44:34,436
Bankole: one good memory?

1245
0:44:34,516 --> 0:44:37,682
Jordan: It's so depressing, so depressing, and we

1246
0:44:37,723 --> 0:44:39,346
Jordan: did look for it in terms of good

1247
0:44:39,386 --> 0:44:42,166
Jordan: experiences, all of our conversations.

1248
0:44:42,364 --> 0:44:45,028
Jordan: That was a question asked because, again,

1249
0:44:45,225 --> 0:44:47,136
Jordan: for a documentary, you're looking for

1250
0:44:47,196 --> 0:44:49,023
Jordan: variety or any story.

1251
0:44:49,063 --> 0:44:51,331
Jordan: You're not just looking for all the same

1252
0:44:51,372 --> 0:44:51,793
Jordan: stories.

1253
0:44:52,235 --> 0:44:56,643
Jordan: So we were searching for and we got some

1254
0:44:56,984 --> 0:44:57,404
Jordan: you did.

1255
0:44:57,605 --> 0:44:57,885
Bankole: You did.

1256
0:44:57,925 --> 0:45:00,336
Bankole: I mean, yeah, like it got to it.

1257
0:45:00,416 --> 0:45:00,957
Bankole: It's actually funny.

1258
0:45:00,977 --> 0:45:02,361
Bankole: When the good stories towards the end

1259
0:45:02,381 --> 0:45:04,497
Bankole: started coming in, I wasn't expecting it

1260
0:45:04,517 --> 0:45:05,424
Bankole: and it was actually quite like shocking

1261
0:45:05,464 --> 0:45:07,397
Bankole: because I was like I was in that part, like

1262
0:45:07,418 --> 0:45:08,363
Bankole: in my depressed bag.

1263
0:45:08,403 --> 0:45:09,288
Bankole: I was really really.

1264
0:45:09,308 --> 0:45:10,596
Bankole: I was like, okay, this is, I'm going to be

1265
0:45:10,636 --> 0:45:11,078
Bankole: sad now.

1266
0:45:11,119 --> 0:45:13,110
Bankole: And then the good stories came, the clips

1267
0:45:13,130 --> 0:45:14,617
Bankole: of people dancing and makeup trials, like

1268
0:45:16,423 --> 0:45:16,504
Bankole: the.

1269
0:45:16,624 --> 0:45:18,370
Bankole: Acting is the difficult part, Directing is

1270
0:45:18,390 --> 0:45:20,156
Bankole: difficult part, Shooting is difficult part.

1271
0:45:20,457 --> 0:45:22,462
Bankole: We shouldn't let the prep be difficult as

1272
0:45:22,502 --> 0:45:22,803
Bankole: well.

1273
0:45:22,863 --> 0:45:23,725
Bankole: Like, why are we?

1274
0:45:24,166 --> 0:45:24,286
Bankole: Like?

1275
0:45:24,775 --> 0:45:27,102
Bankole: The white actor is just going to walk in at

1276
0:45:27,423 --> 0:45:30,734
Bankole: 5am from for his 530 call.

1277
0:45:30,774 --> 0:45:31,957
Bankole: He doesn't need to care about all of this,

1278
0:45:31,997 --> 0:45:33,221
Bankole: but we have to be up at 3am.

1279
0:45:33,241 --> 0:45:35,025
Bankole: It's just, it's just a lot.

1280
0:45:35,535 --> 0:45:37,881
Jordan: And do you know what a part of me gives the

1281
0:45:37,921 --> 0:45:39,204
Jordan: benefit at a doubt is of?

1282
0:45:39,726 --> 0:45:42,118
Jordan: Sometimes this isn't necessarily malicious

1283
0:45:43,621 --> 0:45:45,004
Jordan: and we call it as we said.

1284
0:45:45,185 --> 0:45:47,169
Jordan: It's a knowledge gap and if it was

1285
0:45:47,335 --> 0:45:51,845
Jordan: overlooked before out of ignorance, cool.

1286
0:45:53,349 --> 0:45:56,095
Jordan: But now, with the documentary, in terms of

1287
0:45:56,115 --> 0:45:57,558
Jordan: what we want people to take away from it,

1288
0:45:58,199 --> 0:46:01,146
Jordan: from my point of view, is that now you have

1289
0:46:01,186 --> 0:46:01,707
Jordan: no excuse.

1290
0:46:02,255 --> 0:46:05,402
Jordan: Now you know, let's create that change in

1291
0:46:05,422 --> 0:46:08,308
Jordan: culture and do better.

1292
0:46:08,755 --> 0:46:08,976
Jordan: Yeah.

1293
0:46:09,537 --> 0:46:11,422
Bankole: Yeah, I know, I think I guess we shouldn't

1294
0:46:11,462 --> 0:46:13,006
Bankole: mention credit where credit is due.

1295
0:46:13,047 --> 0:46:15,221
Bankole: I think on the day when Sky announced that

1296
0:46:15,241 --> 0:46:16,725
Bankole: they were purchasing this documentary, they

1297
0:46:16,745 --> 0:46:18,477
Bankole: also announced that they are new.

1298
0:46:18,497 --> 0:46:22,165
Bankole: They have their inclusion scheme for hair

1299
0:46:22,465 --> 0:46:24,657
Bankole: and makeup on, for black hair and makeup on

1300
0:46:24,858 --> 0:46:25,260
Bankole: their set.

1301
0:46:25,280 --> 0:46:27,249
Bankole: So, like again, just it's those little

1302
0:46:27,289 --> 0:46:29,118
Bankole: things, like we've seen it recently with

1303
0:46:29,158 --> 0:46:31,187
Bankole: things like the intimacy coordinator, on

1304
0:46:31,308 --> 0:46:33,276
Bankole: those kinds of things, that just make a big

1305
0:46:33,336 --> 0:46:35,123
Bankole: difference in the industry as a whole.

1306
0:46:35,143 --> 0:46:38,395
Bankole: Just again, I keep restating, just so they

1307
0:46:38,516 --> 0:46:40,325
Bankole: can do difficult work of acting and

1308
0:46:40,365 --> 0:46:42,053
Bankole: directing and shooting, because like they

1309
0:46:42,074 --> 0:46:43,912
Bankole: shouldn't have to care about their hair and

1310
0:46:44,027 --> 0:46:46,158
Bankole: making sure the hair makeup artist feels

1311
0:46:46,273 --> 0:46:48,222
Bankole: okay about not being able to deal with

1312
0:46:48,282 --> 0:46:49,404
Bankole: their hair or whatever.

1313
0:46:49,424 --> 0:46:52,757
Jordan: So it's been a very On the end of that,

1314
0:46:52,878 --> 0:46:56,008
Jordan: actually just to further give Sky their

1315
0:46:56,048 --> 0:46:58,837
Jordan: credit, that was actually in motion before

1316
0:46:59,097 --> 0:47:00,580
Jordan: the documentary.

1317
0:47:00,760 --> 0:47:03,746
Jordan: It wasn't like the documentary was there to

1318
0:47:03,807 --> 0:47:04,568
Jordan: push that initiative.

1319
0:47:05,417 --> 0:47:08,191
Jordan: So yeah, it was just about timing.

1320
0:47:08,292 --> 0:47:10,158
Jordan: Yeah, coincidentally, so that was in place

1321
0:47:11,221 --> 0:47:12,904
Jordan: and this documentary was put in front of

1322
0:47:12,945 --> 0:47:14,856
Jordan: them by one of our exec producers,

1323
0:47:15,497 --> 0:47:17,801
Jordan: producers Andy Mundy Castle.

1324
0:47:18,763 --> 0:47:22,912
Jordan: And yeah, it was just alignment and timing

1325
0:47:23,172 --> 0:47:25,137
Jordan: and that was in motion prior.

1326
0:47:26,005 --> 0:47:27,531
Bankole: Yeah, I should have mentioned that, thank

1327
0:47:27,551 --> 0:47:29,467
Bankole: you for pointing out, and this has been a

1328
0:47:29,588 --> 0:47:32,600
Bankole: great conversation about a great topic, a

1329
0:47:32,640 --> 0:47:33,845
Bankole: very intellectual conversation.

1330
0:47:34,086 --> 0:47:36,292
Bankole: So I would not be myself if I didn't derail

1331
0:47:36,332 --> 0:47:37,275
Bankole: it into something stupid.

1332
0:47:38,532 --> 0:47:39,845
Bankole: And please feel free to plead the fifth.

1333
0:47:40,326 --> 0:47:41,851
Bankole: But you mentioned you did allude to this

1334
0:47:41,931 --> 0:47:43,756
Bankole: earlier and I'll talk to Priscilla about it

1335
0:47:44,308 --> 0:47:46,483
Bankole: how many pints did Fola and Dr Gillian

1336
0:47:46,503 --> 0:47:46,845
Bankole: Evans go through?

1337
0:47:47,427 --> 0:47:48,511
Bankole: Because, based on the level of those

1338
0:47:48,551 --> 0:47:51,601
Bankole: glasses, that was a long conversation with

1339
0:47:51,641 --> 0:47:52,785
Bankole: probably several pints each.

1340
0:47:53,709 --> 0:47:54,775
Bankole: I mean you can plead the fifth.

1341
0:47:54,915 --> 0:47:56,202
Bankole: Folla is in here to defend herself if

1342
0:47:56,222 --> 0:47:58,254
Bankole: that's what you want to do, but it seemed

1343
0:47:58,274 --> 0:47:59,845
Bankole: like it was a very, very long conversation.

1344
0:48:01,496 --> 0:48:02,845
Jordan: No pints man, that was just green tea.

1345
0:48:05,130 --> 0:48:07,295
Jordan: That was good to know that was green tea,

1346
0:48:09,988 --> 0:48:10,710
Jordan: it was daytime.

1347
0:48:14,048 --> 0:48:16,093
Bankole: Folla is in here for me, for the

1348
0:48:16,113 --> 0:48:19,129
Bankole: Cross-Access Administration, who you guys

1349
0:48:19,329 --> 0:48:20,432
Bankole: are here, jordan and Lee.

1350
0:48:20,472 --> 0:48:21,495
Bankole: This has been a great conversation.

1351
0:48:21,845 --> 0:48:22,889
Bankole: I'm so happy I got to watch this

1352
0:48:22,909 --> 0:48:23,451
Bankole: documentary.

1353
0:48:23,845 --> 0:48:25,829
Bankole: I've already recommended it to friends and

1354
0:48:27,253 --> 0:48:29,317
Bankole: some of the people that I know in industry.

1355
0:48:30,046 --> 0:48:32,106
Bankole: I just think it's something, that it's one

1356
0:48:32,126 --> 0:48:33,710
Bankole: of those times where I think of people like

1357
0:48:34,051 --> 0:48:35,715
Bankole: that's something that is vocalizing what I

1358
0:48:35,735 --> 0:48:36,517
Bankole: already knew.

1359
0:48:37,146 --> 0:48:38,210
Bankole: But I thought I was going crazy.

1360
0:48:38,965 --> 0:48:40,050
Bankole: So somebody else is saying it.

1361
0:48:40,905 --> 0:48:41,869
Bankole: I can show it to people.

1362
0:48:43,226 --> 0:48:45,353
Bankole: I wasn't shouting at, the sky was falling.

1363
0:48:46,206 --> 0:48:47,271
Bankole: It's a really great documentary.

1364
0:48:48,386 --> 0:48:49,709
Bankole: I hope you guys are proud of the work

1365
0:48:49,729 --> 0:48:50,049
Bankole: you've done.

1366
0:48:50,069 --> 0:48:52,735
Bankole: As Priscilla, who has worked way more

1367
0:48:53,176 --> 0:48:55,387
Bankole: blackhead documentaries than me, says, it's

1368
0:48:55,508 --> 0:48:56,150
Bankole: the best she's seen.

1369
0:48:56,905 --> 0:48:58,291
Bankole: I don't think I can praise her any more

1370
0:48:58,311 --> 0:48:58,652
Bankole: than that.

1371
0:48:59,206 --> 0:49:02,969
Bankole: Well done on the job, thank you.

1372
0:49:04,246 --> 0:49:05,409
Bankole: But yeah, I guess, before you go any other

1373
0:49:05,449 --> 0:49:08,557
Bankole: thing, you want to shout out to listeners

1374
0:49:08,845 --> 0:49:09,948
Bankole: Anything you have coming down the pipeline,

1375
0:49:09,968 --> 0:49:11,232
Bankole: anything you already have out that they

1376
0:49:11,252 --> 0:49:12,014
Bankole: could check out.

1377
0:49:12,965 --> 0:49:14,910
Jordan: Yeah, we've got some of our previous films

1378
0:49:14,930 --> 0:49:18,277
Jordan: that Lee and I have worked on, produced

1379
0:49:18,297 --> 0:49:21,812
Jordan: together Coffee Short Film, which won fan

1380
0:49:21,832 --> 0:49:25,046
Jordan: favorite at ABFF a few years back, and

1381
0:49:25,286 --> 0:49:28,053
Jordan: we've got High John, which we released at

1382
0:49:29,116 --> 0:49:29,697
Jordan: the top of the year.

1383
0:49:30,148 --> 0:49:31,502
Priscilla: So those are both on.

1384
0:49:31,522 --> 0:49:31,683
Jordan: YouTube.

1385
0:49:31,724 --> 0:49:33,271
Jordan: Now you can check those out.

1386
0:49:34,106 --> 0:49:39,432
Jordan: One Umbrella Productions and, yeah, check

1387
0:49:39,452 --> 0:49:41,957
Jordan: out the documentary Sky Documentaries and

1388
0:49:42,017 --> 0:49:47,534
Jordan: Now TV and yeah, now we're just in, we're

1389
0:49:47,553 --> 0:49:48,135
Jordan: just underground.

1390
0:49:48,175 --> 0:49:50,579
Jordan: Now just prep him what's next?

1391
0:49:50,845 --> 0:49:52,529
Bankole: Yeah, just do your lap of honor, take the

1392
0:49:52,569 --> 0:49:55,656
Bankole: credit and then, like I need to give a

1393
0:49:55,676 --> 0:49:56,658
Bankole: special shout out to Fala.

1394
0:49:56,845 --> 0:49:57,848
Bankole: Obviously it's an opportunity she couldn't

1395
0:49:57,868 --> 0:50:00,495
Bankole: be here, but I hope she as well.

1396
0:50:01,607 --> 0:50:02,890
Bankole: Based on what you guys have said, like,

1397
0:50:02,910 --> 0:50:06,388
Bankole: this is all her, this is from day one, so I

1398
0:50:06,428 --> 0:50:08,317
Bankole: just really hope that she's also very proud

1399
0:50:08,358 --> 0:50:09,282
Bankole: of the work she's done, because this has

1400
0:50:09,302 --> 0:50:11,513
Bankole: been a great documentary and just the

1401
0:50:11,553 --> 0:50:12,940
Bankole: contributors, everyone involved, just

1402
0:50:12,961 --> 0:50:13,845
Bankole: seemed to really knock out the park.

1403
0:50:14,592 --> 0:50:15,845
Bankole: So well done to both of you and everyone.

1404
0:50:16,727 --> 0:50:18,531
Jordan: So big thanks to Fala as well, just for

1405
0:50:18,551 --> 0:50:20,696
Jordan: trusting us bringing this vision to life.

1406
0:50:20,756 --> 0:50:24,292
Jordan: Yeah, because from day one it's been a

1407
0:50:24,312 --> 0:50:24,573
Jordan: journey.

1408
0:50:24,593 --> 0:50:27,469
Jordan: It's been a beautiful journey and just

1409
0:50:27,870 --> 0:50:29,855
Jordan: obviously, for certain days there was a lot

1410
0:50:29,895 --> 0:50:30,757
Jordan: more people involved.

1411
0:50:31,165 --> 0:50:35,532
Jordan: But you know, as our core teams, a lot of

1412
0:50:35,592 --> 0:50:39,518
Jordan: long zooms together, a lot of late nights,

1413
0:50:39,558 --> 0:50:40,420
Jordan: a lot of early journey.

1414
0:50:40,845 --> 0:50:43,213
Jordan: And this is as with any project that you're

1415
0:50:43,233 --> 0:50:46,571
Jordan: making, but yeah, with the three of us kind

1416
0:50:46,631 --> 0:50:48,074
Jordan: of at the core.

1417
0:50:48,315 --> 0:50:50,367
Bankole: How long was the interpretive Like?

1418
0:50:50,467 --> 0:50:51,552
Bankole: When did she reach out to you?

1419
0:50:52,146 --> 0:50:54,011
Bankole: Top of 2021.

1420
0:50:54,031 --> 0:50:59,068
Jordan: Oh, wow, wow, yeah, yeah, but that's one of

1421
0:50:59,089 --> 0:51:01,154
Jordan: the things of producing something on the

1422
0:51:01,215 --> 0:51:01,636
Jordan: indie level.

1423
0:51:02,769 --> 0:51:03,833
Jordan: We've got to work on other things.

1424
0:51:04,126 --> 0:51:06,673
Jordan: So we all had you know, fala had acting

1425
0:51:06,693 --> 0:51:09,030
Jordan: jobs come through, yeah, out of the country

1426
0:51:09,070 --> 0:51:09,712
Jordan: various times.

1427
0:51:10,226 --> 0:51:12,072
Jordan: He's working full time in the daytime

1428
0:51:12,253 --> 0:51:15,493
Jordan: anyway For me, yeah times where I was away

1429
0:51:15,553 --> 0:51:16,656
Jordan: as well on jobs.

1430
0:51:17,106 --> 0:51:19,072
Jordan: So you just got to make it work.

1431
0:51:19,133 --> 0:51:19,313
Bankole: I do.

1432
0:51:20,146 --> 0:51:21,671
Bankole: I understand that way more than you believe,

1433
0:51:23,007 --> 0:51:24,744
Bankole: yeah, but yeah, thank you very much for

1434
0:51:24,764 --> 0:51:24,845
Bankole: this.

1435
0:51:25,128 --> 0:51:26,603
Bankole: This was a great conversation for a great

1436
0:51:26,623 --> 0:51:28,553
Bankole: documentary and I hope anyone who hasn't so

1437
0:51:28,614 --> 0:51:30,081
Bankole: far please go check it out on now.

1438
0:51:30,101 --> 0:51:32,550
Bankole: Tvs on sky yeah, thank you very much,

1439
0:51:32,670 --> 0:51:32,971
Bankole: jordan.

1440
0:51:32,991 --> 0:51:33,733
Bankole: Thank you very much Lee.

1441
0:51:34,054 --> 0:51:35,318
Bankole: Thank you, thank you.

1442
0:51:36,020 --> 0:51:36,842
Priscilla: Thank you so much, guys.

1443
0:51:36,945 --> 0:51:38,512
Priscilla: It was an enlightening experience.

1444
0:51:39,026 --> 0:51:39,387
Jordan: Pleasure.

1445
0:51:39,407 --> 0:51:40,110
Jordan: Thanks for having us on.

1446
0:51:40,865 --> 0:51:41,506
Bankole: Thank you for being here.