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      "speaker": "Speaker 1",
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      "body": "Hello, and welcome to another Zelda Podcast. My name is Kady Roberts, and"
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    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "32.22",
      "endTime": "34.86",
      "body": "I'm here with my cohost, Geisler."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "34.86",
      "endTime": "36.06",
      "body": "Well, hi, Kady. How are you?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "36.06",
      "endTime": "38.059998",
      "body": "I'm doing good, but I haven't seen you in ages."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "38.14",
      "endTime": "62.81",
      "body": "This one, we've had yeah. I know. It's so funny because in the last couple episodes, I was just speaking to, like, isn't it great that we're back in a normal schedule and we're seeing each other every two weeks? And then now we've had this anomaly with school and schedules and whatnot where well, we did have Carly guest in on an episode, and you and I were gonna get together last week and record it and to to record, but I had a scheduling conflict. And, yeah, I think it's been almost a month and a half, if not two, since we've sat right here."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "62.81",
      "endTime": "64.729996",
      "body": "It's I I haven't even seen you down on campus."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "64.729996",
      "endTime": "77.665",
      "body": "I know. We have, like, conflicting schedules. It's so annoying. So, yeah, I had that one day, like, ages ago where I was lucky enough to pass you on the street. But since then, I I keep my eye out for you, and I never see you."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "77.665",
      "endTime": "79.985",
      "body": "But you know what it is? I'm not on campus on Wednesdays anymore."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "79.985",
      "endTime": "80.465004",
      "body": "Oh, that's"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "80.465004",
      "endTime": "82.545",
      "body": "I'm why. Only down there on Tuesdays."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "82.945",
      "endTime": "85.825005",
      "body": "Oh, well, yeah. I don't go down at all Tuesdays."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "85.905",
      "endTime": "91.62",
      "body": "Well, we just solved that mystery. Yeah. Nailed it. What are we doing today?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "91.62",
      "endTime": "110.55499",
      "body": "Today, we are talking about one of my favorite races in the Zelda universe, I guess Sure. Which is the Gerudo. I'm very excited because I'm currently playing Ocarina of Time. And although I'm not to the point where I've really gotten to interact with them a ton, I still Yeah. Really love them."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "110.55499",
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      "body": "And I did a lot of research on them, and I especially love them in Breath of the Wild and Tears. So I'm very excited."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "116.96999",
      "endTime": "125.21",
      "body": "Breath of the Wild and Tears, they appear in a couple of the games. I have notes on that. They do. Some that you haven't played. Some that I'm now excited to I mean, specifically, even show up in, like, Four Swords Adventures."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "125.21",
      "endTime": "135.705",
      "body": "I was gonna say I was reading up on them. I saw four swords, Majora's Mask. Some people say, like, they may be in different like, referenced in different called pirates or, like, different tribes."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "135.705",
      "endTime": "140.185",
      "body": "Yeah. I guess we'll get to it. Yeah. There's a there's a there's a twilight princess implication in all of it."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "140.4",
      "endTime": "145.36",
      "body": "Mhmm. Mhmm. But before we get into that, we should probably do some listener feedback."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "145.59999",
      "endTime": "150.23999",
      "body": "Yeah. Sure. Sounds good. We have six of them today. Three from YouTube, three from Apple Podcasts."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "150.23999",
      "endTime": "152.23999",
      "body": "Would you like to do one in any particular order?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "153.615",
      "endTime": "156.735",
      "body": "I guess I can read the YouTube ones if you wanna read Apple Podcasts."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "157.055",
      "endTime": "159.055",
      "body": "Yeah. Sure. Let's just go back and forth. That sounds great."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "159.055",
      "endTime": "163.615",
      "body": "Okay. Do you wanna start, or would you like me to? I'd be happy to start. Alright. Go ahead."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "163.615",
      "endTime": "181.835",
      "body": "Why not? Okay. This is a quick quick and easy one over here on Apple Podcasts. Hero of the Wild, hashtag a little Korok, sent us a five star review and simply said, hi. I've never played Twilight, but I have a Wii U, so I hope my parents will let me get it."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "181.835",
      "endTime": "188.63501",
      "body": "Smiley face, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen green heart emojis."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "188.63501",
      "endTime": "189.115",
      "body": "That is a lot"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "189.115",
      "endTime": "212.065",
      "body": "of love coming I know now it's becoming a contest as to how many green hearts someone can put in there. Hero of the Wild, thank you so much for reaching out. I do hope you get to play Twilight Princess on your Wii U. Who knows when it'll be coming to the Switch? It's probably inevitable, but it's probably still a couple years away if we're just kind of judging the marketing timeline of when things will come out on Switch before the next Zelda game comes out."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "212.065",
      "endTime": "214.865",
      "body": "And so if you have a Wii U and you're you're able to I"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "214.865",
      "endTime": "229.23",
      "body": "was gonna say, hey, if you are having a hard time convincing your parents to get it for you or to help you buy it or just let you, look for preused because they're always cheaper and you have a higher likelihood of getting that game."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "229.23",
      "endTime": "238.595",
      "body": "Well, absolutely. In fact, that's why I just inhaled so dramatically is because I realized I think that digital store is down on the Wii U now. It happened a while ago. I totally forgot about that. Yeah."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "238.595",
      "endTime": "249.04",
      "body": "So if you haven't downloaded it, it's not available for purchase on Wii U anymore. It would have to be the disc at a at a resell shop. Mhmm. But, hey, get it for $20 or something, and it's absolutely worth it. It's a great game to play."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "249.04",
      "endTime": "252.08",
      "body": "I hope I hope you're able to play it, hero of the wild. Mhmm."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "252.56",
      "endTime": "255.20001",
      "body": "Don't don't skip out on Facebook Marketplace."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "255.28",
      "endTime": "256.4",
      "body": "Oh, interesting. Skip"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "256.4",
      "endTime": "263.22498",
      "body": "out on Facebook Marketplace. I just got a PC, and that's where I got my monitor. And I got a really nice monitor on there for relatively cheap."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "263.22498",
      "endTime": "274.425",
      "body": "That's hysterical because I never think about Facebook Marketplace for video games, but I also got a monitor from my recording booth behind you Yeah. From Facebook Marketplace. It was some dude living downtown and I I rode my bike over there and threw the monitor in my bike bag and"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "274.425",
      "endTime": "283.17",
      "body": "rolled it back. I go on there and there's like people that sell, like, Wii games or Wii U games. Like, they'll have, like, 20 games. So they're like, just tell me which one you want. $5."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "283.17",
      "endTime": "285.25",
      "body": "Oh, wow. It's the new rummage sale, isn't it?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "285.25",
      "endTime": "286.29",
      "body": "Yeah. Which is great."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "286.29",
      "endTime": "290.13",
      "body": "That's cool. Alright. Well, Hero of Wild. Thank you so much for that. Thank you for the review."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "290.625",
      "endTime": "291.90503",
      "body": "And I"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "293.505",
      "endTime": "299.825",
      "body": "have a breath to tears comment from YouTube. It is season six episode 21"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "299.825",
      "endTime": "299.98502",
      "body": "on"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "299.98502",
      "endTime": "322.535",
      "body": "YouTube. And at ryan bets seven two nine five says, Zelda moved in with Link in tears of the kingdom and in classic rom com fashion, promptly made him remove all the geeky sword decorations from his bachelor pad. That's canon. It's in the lore. That is very iconic."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "322.535",
      "endTime": "325.41498",
      "body": "This furniture just won't do. Why did what are these?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "325.41498",
      "endTime": "336.34",
      "body": "What are these? They're collectibles. Yeah. No. That is actually now my preferred lore as to why none of Link stuff is in their house."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "336.34",
      "endTime": "343.78",
      "body": "Link, do you really need these anymore? He's standing there with like 10 Koroks. He's like, they're my friends."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "345.53998",
      "endTime": "359.435",
      "body": "They have resell value. Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. Yeah. I mean, honestly, it does seem like speaking to their relationship, it seems like they have a pretty dang healthy one at the beginning of tears of the kingdom."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "359.435",
      "endTime": "361.77002",
      "body": "Yeah. A lot healthier breath. That's for sure."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "362.01",
      "endTime": "367.05002",
      "body": "Yeah. Right. Yeah. Well, it kind of I mean, you know, you could one could assume that they're in some ways, like, together by the time tears"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "367.05002",
      "endTime": "367.69",
      "body": "of kingdom."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "367.69",
      "endTime": "368.89",
      "body": "Yeah. Yeah."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "368.89",
      "endTime": "370.41",
      "body": "No. They have to be. I wanna know."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "370.41",
      "endTime": "379.87503",
      "body": "They could be. Okay. I've got one over here from Apple Podcast again. This is from Heihziz, h e h h z I z, five star review. Thank you so much."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "379.95502",
      "endTime": "387.55502",
      "body": "The title of the review is amazing. We'll take it. That's what that should be the new show. Season seven is gonna be another amazing Zelda pod no. No."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "387.55502",
      "endTime": "392.96002",
      "body": "It's not gonna work. Another Zelda Podcast. Another amazing Zelda Podcast. I'm gonna I'm gonna ditch this bit. Sure."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "393.68",
      "endTime": "401.30502",
      "body": "Hayes is says, please talk about the remake of Link's away Awakening. Wait. We did this one already. Oh my gosh. I'm sorry."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "401.30502",
      "endTime": "414.265",
      "body": "We read this previous episode, but that's okay. I'm gonna do it again because, honestly, it's our next episode. So this is nice. So this is the first episode you listen to or whatever. Please talk about the remake of Link's Awakening, especially make an episode about the amazing music."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "414.265",
      "endTime": "441.085",
      "body": "The music episodes are amazing, and please do more. I would also like to see the music of spirit tracks and a link between worlds, but because of the actual musical instruments playing a link to the past music. This is by far the best Zelda Podcast and has made me want to play more of the games. Well, if there's anything that we can do as a podcast, if that is to inspire people to play more Zelda games, that is super cool. There's an entire, you know, just it's like Zelda is part of video history at this point."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "441.085",
      "endTime": "469.49002",
      "body": "It spans back thirty years, if not more, you know, 20 plus games and it really by playing all the different Zelda games, you also are able to kind of study the history of video games and that is a really, really cool thing. Yes. Hey, Zelda. Though I think we did read your review in a previous episode, today, right now, behind the curtain, Kady and I are recording this Gerudo episode. But as soon as we're done recording this episode, we're also gonna be recording our season six finale episode, which will be the music of Link's Awakening."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "469.57",
      "endTime": "471.33002",
      "body": "And, Kady, I have the files queued up for"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "471.33002",
      "endTime": "472.45",
      "body": "that one. I'm so excited."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "472.45",
      "endTime": "481.89",
      "body": "We're gonna do something a little different for this episode. Because there was the 2019 remake, what I've done is I found all the songs I wanna talk about, but I found the eight bit versions from the original Game Boy."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "481.97",
      "endTime": "483.225",
      "body": "Ask if you're compare gonna them."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "483.225",
      "endTime": "494.105",
      "body": "We're gonna listen to that first, and then we're gonna listen to the 2019 remake and see how it was expanded upon. Awesome. That'll be in our next episode. So, hopefully, you have that to look forward to, and I don't mind that I reread this review. Thank you so much for the five stars."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "494.105",
      "endTime": "494.265",
      "body": "Hey."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "496.27002",
      "endTime": "512.635",
      "body": "So headed back over to YouTube. This comes to us from top 10 locations to live season six episode 20, I believe. And it is at Buford 217. Hey, Dave and crew. Love the podcast so much."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "512.635",
      "endTime": "536.21",
      "body": "Started out on Spotify, but I could tell how much work you put into it. So I joined Patreon as a magic magic sword subscriber as I could contribute something or so I could contribute something. Excuse me. In short, I'm 52 and came into the Zelda universe with Breath of the Wild, and now I'm completely obsessed. Since I found you guys, I've played Tears of the Kingdom, Link's Awakening, and Skyward Sword."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "536.29",
      "endTime": "547.055",
      "body": "That is exactly the order I went in. It's amazing. That's kinda amazing. I also just got a refurbished n 64 and a o o two o o t card so I can experience it old school."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "547.055",
      "endTime": "548.175",
      "body": "Ocarina of Time. Cartoon."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "548.175",
      "endTime": "558.21",
      "body": "I have a topic I'd love to hear you guys cover. Currently, I'm simultaneously playing a second Tears of the Kingdom playthrough and Breath of the Wild on master mode."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "558.21",
      "endTime": "558.45",
      "body": "Mhmm."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "558.45",
      "endTime": "594.49",
      "body": "I was a little put out on Tears of the Kingdom that you didn't get gems for taking down silver, Pecoblins, Moblins, and Lynels. Also, I find myself thinking, I wish I had Ultra Hand while playing Breath of the Wild, or I wish I had the remote bombs from Breath of the Wild while playing Tears of the Kingdom. How about if you do a show where you make your own custom game from the Breath of the Wild, Tears of the Kingdom engine by taking things you like from both games and combining them. For example, maps, the depths overworld and or sky world, abilities, weapons, monster bosses, quests, side quests, NPCs. Even would you prefer Gloom covered castle or Malice covered castle?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "594.585",
      "endTime": "600.66504",
      "body": "Anyhow, love you guys. Bye. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, green hearts."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "600.66504",
      "endTime": "612.27",
      "body": "I love this. Kady, so I think what we gotta do is somewhere in season seven, we gotta throw it in our episode list. We don't normally do episodes like what I'm about to say. Mhmm. But what if we did a a fan fiction Breath of the Wild three episode?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "612.27",
      "endTime": "613.63",
      "body": "That would be so fun. Yeah."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "613.63",
      "endTime": "622.205",
      "body": "Wanna try that? Where maybe we pulled some mechanics back in. Mhmm. Maybe there's new ones. And we could we could in some ways, that might honor here what our listeners looking for."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "622.205",
      "endTime": "623.645",
      "body": "What was their name again or at least their screen"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "623.645",
      "endTime": "627.885",
      "body": "name? Let me go back to it. Yeah. No problem. It was Buford217."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "627.885",
      "endTime": "629.325",
      "body": "Buford217. So"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "629.325",
      "endTime": "630.605",
      "body": "good too. Like that idea."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "630.605",
      "endTime": "639.98",
      "body": "This is such a great story because this is really interesting. So you're you're in your early twenties. I'm in my early forties. Buford's in their early fifties. But you and Buford are having similar"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "639.98",
      "endTime": "640.54",
      "body": "I was gonna say"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "640.69995",
      "endTime": "641.25995",
      "body": "exposure to"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "641.25995",
      "endTime": "645.82",
      "body": "Zelda. Exact same way except I think maybe Links and Skyward was Switched."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "645.82",
      "endTime": "648.54",
      "body": "Sure. But still it's like the same four games. Right? Yeah. Yeah."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "648.54",
      "endTime": "663.615",
      "body": "It's like the stuff on Switch. Yeah. And so one you know, it's so interesting because I've said this many times on the show, I'm so grateful to have you as a cohost now because we have this distance between us and we've experienced the games in different ways that it really speaks to all the different ways someone can be a Zelda fan."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "663.615",
      "endTime": "664.09503",
      "body": "Mhmm."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "664.09503",
      "endTime": "672.08",
      "body": "And here's Buford, someone who's ten years older than me, experiencing it technically maybe the way you are right now as far as exposure goes. That's so cool."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "672.4",
      "endTime": "695.73",
      "body": "No. That's really cool. Buford, thank you so much for writing in. It's really cool seeing that you have that same experience even though you are older than me because I always feel like, not truly, but you know, that kind of like fake fan type thing because it's like I'm coming into it so new. So it's really nice hearing someone else having that same experience and kind of connecting with that."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "695.73",
      "endTime": "720.75",
      "body": "100% and Kady since you said that like never ever feel that fake fan thing. There's no such thing as a as a I I mean I hear you and I appreciate what you're saying but never feel guilty about having the kind of fake fan syndrome because a fan is a fan and it's just about the exposure that they're into and a lot of people were introduced to Zelda with Breath of the Wild. And so I think your experience is completely authentic. It's all good. You know, it's it's like it's those nerdy, you know, push the glasses off like, well, actually, you haven't played these five games."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "720.75",
      "endTime": "721.87",
      "body": "No. That's not a thing."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "721.87",
      "endTime": "732.85504",
      "body": "I was gonna say it's been very cool coming into the Zelda world because with a lot of different fandoms, it is a lot like that. There's a lot of gatekeeping, a lot of like, well, you don't know this stuff or this lore."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "732.85504",
      "endTime": "733.09503",
      "body": "Mhmm."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
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      "body": "But coming into Zelda, I haven't experienced any of that, and it's all been, like, so welcoming. So it's kinda cool."
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      "body": "I have also had similar experiences with the Zelda fandom, and I think that is one of the special things about the game and the community and all it. And also, I mean, let's face it, know, Zelda or Nintendo's so fast and loose with that timeline that you can't take too much of it too seriously anyway. Yeah. It's just fun. It's just, you know, it's just fun to to like things and that's all great."
    },
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      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "754.29",
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      "body": "Mhmm. I do wanna say that I also had my own moment. Know, Buford spoke about like, oh, I wish I had the bombs and tears or I wish I had Ascend in in or whatever whatever Buford said. I we are both actively playing Ocarina of Time three d right now to prepare for our season seven premier episode wherein which we'll be reviewing Ocarina of Time three d. I'm very excited."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "774.03",
      "endTime": "781.07",
      "body": "Haven't done a well, the last time yeah. Yeah. We're we're due and I can't wait. It's so I'm so excited. I'm so excited to discuss one of the most influential games."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "781.07",
      "endTime": "796.115",
      "body": "One of the only games in history to literally receive perfect scores when it came out. Mhmm. I'm so excited to discuss that game with you in a couple months. So I'm also playing it right now. And the other day, I was in the Fire Dungeon and my muscle memory was like, okay, well, I'll just ascend up out of this dungeon."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "796.115",
      "endTime": "802.07",
      "body": "And I was like, wait a second. Oh, wait. I can't even do that. Yeah. In Ocarina of Time, a game from twenty year twenty, twenty five years ago."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "802.07",
      "endTime": "802.63",
      "body": "Yeah."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "803.27",
      "endTime": "813.11",
      "body": "It does happen a little bit. Mhmm. So that's all cool. Actually, I don't have another Apple Podcast here. It was it was a double it was a duplicate of the the Lynx Music one."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "813.11",
      "endTime": "814.27496",
      "body": "Okay. So I can just view"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "814.435",
      "endTime": "820.435",
      "body": "Is it 10 places to live? It's the very bottom one. User v e seven? Because I'll read it. Oh, wait."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "820.435",
      "endTime": "822.595",
      "body": "Yeah. No. No. But it's to you. You read it."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "822.595",
      "endTime": "824.435",
      "body": "You read it. I just saw it. I just saw it."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "824.915",
      "endTime": "834.33",
      "body": "Yeah. It's use another top 10 places to live on YouTube at user v e seven v o eight q p seven f."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "834.33",
      "endTime": "835.45",
      "body": "It really rolls off the tongue."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "835.45",
      "endTime": "850.615",
      "body": "Really rolls off the tongue. It says, hey, Kady. I'm writing this to thank you for your encouraging words of confidence about auditioning. I was on the fence about doing it, but your quote unquote speech really helped me see confidence and try for it. So thank you for the help."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "850.615",
      "endTime": "852.455",
      "body": "Love the show. Am Zelda Nerd."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "852.455",
      "endTime": "859.32996",
      "body": "Amazing. What when were you speaking about this? Obviously, it's a previous episode. Yeah. Auditioning for video games, voice over, or play?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "859.32996",
      "endTime": "867.64996",
      "body": "To be completely honest, I don't fully remember. But I think it was me talking about auditioning for this. Maybe it was also, like,"
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    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
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      "body": "a Yes."
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    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
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      "endTime": "876.305",
      "body": "Auditioning in general. Because I think I was talking about with voice over auditions and things how, like, you just never hear back, but you just gotta keep going"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "876.305",
      "endTime": "886.16003",
      "body": "for it. It's a lot of spaghetti on the wall. I mean, I have I was actually it's kinda funny. I was just organizing some of my files this morning and just folders and folders folders of of of voice over auditions. Yeah."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "886.16003",
      "endTime": "894.0",
      "body": "But I was like, it was weirdly, I was like weirdly going through memory lane over the last two years of just, you know, 90% of them are just dead ends and it's Mhmm. It's just what it is."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "894.0",
      "endTime": "899.905",
      "body": "Yeah. I was gonna say, I upload every single thing I record to Google Drive just so I have it just in case."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "899.905",
      "endTime": "900.625",
      "body": "There we go. Yeah."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "900.625",
      "endTime": "924.68",
      "body": "And, yeah, I looked at it the other day, and I have, like, over 200, 300 just from, like, the past year or two. Yeah. And it's kind of funny. But that being said, never think of that as discouraging, and I'm glad that you found something from because you should always keep going at it. If it's something that you love, you should never be discouraged and should never let someone put you down or say that they don't think you're good enough because you're always good enough for yourself."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "924.68",
      "endTime": "930.395",
      "body": "Mhmm. Mhmm. Absolutely. I agree. And and and we have spoken about you auditioning for this show a few times on the show."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "930.395",
      "endTime": "939.11505",
      "body": "I know that. And perhaps it was about that and just in general. Mhmm. There's a I I don't wanna get too mushy but there's this song that I'm really in love with. And it's just a double negative play but there's some lyrics in there that I use as motivation."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "939.11505",
      "endTime": "955.435",
      "body": "Mhmm. And this this song, it's by it's by this Swedish artist. The song is called The Coo Coo, the c o o c o o. And it's supposed to be about trying to feel cool or whatever. And there's this one part in the verse where she goes like, don't when it's like you're scared to do something but you know you wanna try it."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "955.435",
      "endTime": "971.39",
      "body": "She just basically like has this mantra like don't don't try it, never don't don't do it, never never try it. It's obviously just a couple negatives. Yeah. But like every time I hear it when I'm like waking up in the morning and listening to my morning playlist, it's a nice little kind of like fun little way to be like, yeah, that's right. No, actually just go for it."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "971.39",
      "endTime": "973.47003",
      "body": "Yeah. Alright. No, that's nice."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "973.71",
      "endTime": "979.71",
      "body": "So the Gerudo. The Gerudo. We've spoken about the Gorons. We've spoken about the Deku. We've spoken about"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "980.35",
      "endTime": "981.39",
      "body": "You talked with the Yiga."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "982.235",
      "endTime": "986.235",
      "body": "Well, okay. So this is actually more of a complimentary episode to the Yiga episode, I isn't would"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "986.235",
      "endTime": "987.915",
      "body": "say it's probably closer to the Yiga."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "987.915",
      "endTime": "1002.74005",
      "body": "Because you know what? I'm I'm actually now my memory is kind of filling in here a little bit. We've done favorite Gorons, favorite Deku, favorite Zora. But actually, earlier this season, it was, like, the fifth or sixth episode of this season, Dan and I did a deep dive on the Yiga clan. Mhmm."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1002.74005",
      "endTime": "1009.38",
      "body": "And I did not build a favorites episode here for Gerudo. This is not a favorites Gerudo for me. I is that what your notes are? No."
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      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1009.38",
      "endTime": "1015.685",
      "body": "No. Mine's kind of the history and the culture of the Gerudo."
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    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1015.685",
      "endTime": "1017.125",
      "body": "I think we're I think we're deep diving."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1017.125",
      "endTime": "1017.845",
      "body": "Yeah. I think this is a"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1017.845",
      "endTime": "1023.685",
      "body": "deep deep diving. Wonderful. So this is kind of a cool, like, sibling episode to that first one that I did with Dan. Alright. I'm into it."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1023.845",
      "endTime": "1025.605",
      "body": "Let's I don't know. Where do wanna start?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1025.845",
      "endTime": "1054.735",
      "body": "I guess we'll just start from the top of, like, who the Gerudo are, but they were based on so, obviously, the Gerudo, when they were put into Zelda, they were based on the Amazons. Like, the all female warriors might see, like, Wonder Woman is put in with them. And also a lot of kind of west or, like, eastern and, like, south south African excuse me. Sure. I cannot talk."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1054.735",
      "endTime": "1055.375",
      "body": "No. No. I get it."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1055.375",
      "endTime": "1058.3099",
      "body": "Middle Eastern and South Asian people. I'm so sorry."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1058.3099",
      "endTime": "1059.6699",
      "body": "I see. I see. And"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1060.3099",
      "endTime": "1087.85",
      "body": "use with a lot of, like, the culture and things like that. However, I do kinda wanna say right off the bat that when they were first created and put in Ocarina Mhmm. There was a lot of skepticism about them at the time because it was kind of the way they're portrayed was not the best towards those kind of people in the sense that there was, like, a lot of big racial stereotypes around, like, the mysterious and conniving and thievery. And a lot of people also were saying, no. You're kinda putting Link in this white savior complex with the Gerudo."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1087.85",
      "endTime": "1090.09",
      "body": "So I just wanna say that off the bat, get that out of the way."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1090.09",
      "endTime": "1112.655",
      "body": "I concur, though. I mean, it was know, we've we've spoke you know, as much as we just I just kinda said I'm so excited about to talk about Ocarina of Time with you, Kate and I, other co hosts and I, you and I a little, but we haven't really had this opportunity yet because, you know, once you're done with Ocarina, we'll be able to have this conversation. But where video games were in the mid nineties or where culture was in the mid nineties, where exposure was and acceptance was in the mid nineties was different."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1112.655",
      "endTime": "1113.135",
      "body": "Exactly. Know?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1113.135",
      "endTime": "1130.755",
      "body": "And it's easy it's to forget that that's almost thirty years ago. And there's a lot of things in Ocarina of Time that speak to the time that it was made. Mhmm. And I think that there's a couple archetypes and themes that are less than comfortable these days. Exactly."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1130.8351",
      "endTime": "1148.1",
      "body": "And I think the Gerudo do fall into that a little bit in Ocarina specifically. And if I may, I don't wanna jump ahead too No, absolutely. But I think Nintendo's really done a good job when it comes to breath and as they've evolved, they've matured the storytelling or the lore of these of this this, I guess, race. Is it a is it"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1148.42",
      "endTime": "1154.02",
      "body": "Yeah. Some people call them their own race. Some people call them their own tribe. It kinda just depends on who you talk to."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1154.02",
      "endTime": "1154.5",
      "body": "Yeah. Yeah. Yeah."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1154.5",
      "endTime": "1157.995",
      "body": "Because I guess Nintendo has used both terms when talking about them before."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1157.995",
      "endTime": "1177.6101",
      "body": "I guess the semantics are like is a Hillian because they have pointed ears, is the Hillian a different race than a human or is it a literal different I mean, pardon me, but like living creature, like animal. Yeah. Is it a different you you see where I'm going with that? Absolutely. Think it's okay for us to basically speak of all these different things as races."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1177.6101",
      "endTime": "1193.445",
      "body": "Think what I always do. With that. I I think it also might just be the D and D in me of, like, I just assume, like, a leon or a leonin. The the lion type creatures and, like, the cat creatures are two different races in my brain."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1193.445",
      "endTime": "1201.27",
      "body": "Races. So, like, is a Zora is a race and a Goron is a race. They're not different animals or whatever. We're just gonna let's let's use that as vocabulary. I'm a race."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1201.27",
      "endTime": "1220.495",
      "body": "Cool. But yeah. So, obviously, Ocarina was the first time that they technically appeared in the games, but a lot of people like to theorize that they actually originate from Skyward Sword. Even though it came after their release, they'd like to think since Skyward is technically the first in the timeline that Groose is actually We're"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1220.495",
      "endTime": "1221.215",
      "body": "going there."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1221.215",
      "endTime": "1227.135",
      "body": "The the person that started the Gerudo. And I'm not gonna lie, when I first played and I saw Groose, I thought the same."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1227.135",
      "endTime": "1228.255",
      "body": "You got big red hair?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1228.255",
      "endTime": "1238.87",
      "body": "Yeah. He has he's much taller and stronger than people around him. He's got the red hair and golden eyes. Mhmm. And it also kinda adds to like the one Gorn or Gerudo male born every hundred years."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1238.87",
      "endTime": "1239.35",
      "body": "Yes. Like, he's"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1239.35",
      "endTime": "1243.7649",
      "body": "the only one that looks like that. Obviously, it's all a theory, but I think it's fun."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1243.7649",
      "endTime": "1247.3649",
      "body": "It's never confirmed in game, but I think one could say that it's heavily implied."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1247.445",
      "endTime": "1250.965",
      "body": "Yeah. I really like to think it is. Mhmm. So I just wanted to touch on that."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1250.965",
      "endTime": "1253.365",
      "body": "Gru stays down on the land on the land. You know what I mean? Yeah."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1253.365",
      "endTime": "1268.66",
      "body": "And knows? And obviously, obviously, when the old woman is like, oh, you have, like, a destiny here or something. She's talking about him helping Link, but a lot of people also have been like, well, maybe it's like a double meaning of him staying in, like, the timeline or whatever."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1268.66",
      "endTime": "1279.395",
      "body": "But Yeah. Yeah. And one of the things about Gerudo is that we well, so so Ganondorf is also Gerudo in Ocarina of Time, but there was a little bit of retcon there. Well, Ganondorf"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1279.795",
      "endTime": "1282.26",
      "body": "And Ganon are kinda two different beings."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1282.26",
      "endTime": "1296.435",
      "body": "It's true. Ganondorf was, I believe, referenced in, like, A Link to the Past. Ganondorf, the the humanoid, but you don't see that. You only see Ganon in those first three games. Ganondorf in Ocarina is the first time you see a humanoid Ganon"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1296.435",
      "endTime": "1297.155",
      "body": "because he's a"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1297.155",
      "endTime": "1314.13",
      "body": "big pig monster otherwise up to that point. Though I think there is a Ganondorf reference in in A Link to the Past like I just said. However, there's a little bit of retcon. Ocarina of Time in release order was the first time that the concept of the Gerudo was even presented. Mhmm."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1314.13",
      "endTime": "1325.535",
      "body": "And so are we to assume that the Ganon from Legend of Zelda well, I guess those aren't in time later. Oh my gosh. I'm not gonna go there. I'm not gonna go there. We've got we've got Ganondorf who is a Gerudo as well."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1325.535",
      "endTime": "1329.5349",
      "body": "He's the only male Gerudo that's ever been represented, if not Groose."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1329.535",
      "endTime": "1349.9",
      "body": "Yes. If not Groose. And with that, a lot of people, including myself although I don't think Nintendo ever would do it because it just deviates so far from what we know to beat Zelda. A lot of people think it'd be really fun if there was a game that came out where Link happened to be the male Gerudo that was born and kind of the tables were turned in a little bit of a way."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1349.9",
      "endTime": "1352.38",
      "body": "Are you referencing our Zelda 3,000 episode?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1352.46",
      "endTime": "1361.165",
      "body": "No. I And that just also must be something that you guys talked about. Really? Yeah. That's just something that I really like the auto"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1361.3251",
      "endTime": "1363.8049",
      "body": "like we've mentioned this this season at some point."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1363.9651",
      "endTime": "1367.2",
      "body": "Prob I probably brought it up, you probably said that same thing if didn't you mention this?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1367.2",
      "endTime": "1396.77",
      "body": "Gonna go on a whole thing, but there's a studio demands it episode where TC and I were tasked with making a new Zelda game. And we surmised or or we we proposed that what if the hero wasn't necessarily Helium? What if the hero with our new story we were telling, let's have the hero be Gerudo and have the we shifted all the triforces Yeah. On all the different characters. And so, yeah, we had a red haired quote, unquote, Link Mhmm."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1396.77",
      "endTime": "1407.49",
      "body": "Who was Gerudo in the game that we built, The Legend of Zelda 3,000. If you're interested in the storyline we came up with, I definitely plugged this in the past. Yeah. Go check it out over on StudioDemands. The Legend of Zelda 3,000."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1407.49",
      "endTime": "1419.805",
      "body": "It's a silly name. We just did it to, like, have it be because, you know, a there's request to have it be steampunk and all of that. But yeah. Sure. Also, to that point, if Gruce were Gerudo, if, big if Mhmm."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1419.805",
      "endTime": "1432.7001",
      "body": "You know, we've only you know, a a male Gerudo, there's like a it's in lore that there's this genetic situation with the Gerudo that for some reason a male is only born every one hundred ish years."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1432.7001",
      "endTime": "1433.26",
      "body": "Yeah."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1433.3401",
      "endTime": "1451.61",
      "body": "And it is part of canon that it's like a genetic thing. It's part of the race or something like that. It's not like a magical experience. Though, maybe it is a little bit magical because in Breath of the Wild, the Gerudo talk about how there hasn't been been a male born in, like, since since calamity. Right?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1451.61",
      "endTime": "1454.1699",
      "body": "Yeah. I was gonna get into that. But Am I"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1454.1699",
      "endTime": "1455.0499",
      "body": "jumping forward?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1455.0499",
      "endTime": "1470.185",
      "body": "That that's fine. Where a lot of people think that there's, like, this debate, right, of is it that one Gerudo male is born every hundred years, or is it that one Gerudo male is born after Ganon dies?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1470.185",
      "endTime": "1471.705",
      "body": "Or after that male Gerudo."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1471.705",
      "endTime": "1475.785",
      "body": "Yeah. Basically, can no two male Gerudos be alive at the same time?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1475.785",
      "endTime": "1477.5449",
      "body": "Which would imply that it's more magical."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1477.545",
      "endTime": "1484.19",
      "body": "Exactly. And I kind of prefer that. That's how I always thought. Yeah. I was watching a YouTube video."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1484.19",
      "endTime": "1487.6299",
      "body": "I'm so sorry. I can't remember who it was. But they were basically talking about"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1487.95",
      "endTime": "1488.9099",
      "body": "Was it Zelda?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1489.3099",
      "endTime": "1490.11",
      "body": "Maybe."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1490.11",
      "endTime": "1492.99",
      "body": "It's okay if it wasn't. But that's Andy who's part of Yeah. Yeah. Okay."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1492.99",
      "endTime": "1509.38",
      "body": "But basically talking about it could be that or it could be a much darker alternative of, like, they got in the habit of just, like, killing any Gerudo male in case he's Ganon. And that's why we don't see any Breath of the Wild. I don't like that thought. I don't think that's true."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1509.38",
      "endTime": "1511.22",
      "body": "That one's that one's borderline fan fiction."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1511.22",
      "endTime": "1520.1799",
      "body": "Yeah. That one's really dark. I prefer the thought that it's just, like, there might be some magical undertones that, like, only one can exist at the same like, at once."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1520.1799",
      "endTime": "1530.095",
      "body": "Yeah. Yeah. You know, there are some you know, Kareena was like, only a only a well, Zelda loves hundred years. All Zelda games love everything every single stinking thing. You're like, we haven't had a sip of soda in one hundred years."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1530.095",
      "endTime": "1540.13",
      "body": "Like, everything's always a hundred years in Zelda games. It's just it's just a number they like to use. But, yeah, in Ocarina of Time, it was like only one male comes every hundred years, which really is only about two, maybe three generations anyway."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1540.13",
      "endTime": "1540.69",
      "body": "Yeah."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1540.69",
      "endTime": "1572.55",
      "body": "But if it's every hundred years, it could just be the extended lifespan of a single person, and then that person passes and another male Gerudo comes to be. Yeah. But I like the idea of the magical thing, and I think Breath of the Wild leans into that a little bit. Because if if ten thousand years have passed and there hasn't been a male well, wait a second then. If it's genetic and all the Gerudo women are marrying other races, wouldn't that gene be kind of evolved out?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1572.55",
      "endTime": "1584.225",
      "body": "I'm not sure. Don't well, maybe it is magic then. Maybe it's even more magic then. Because they I also learned I actually learned this. I didn't realize this, but the Gerudo, of course, don't worship Helio."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1584.3049",
      "endTime": "1595.74",
      "body": "Exactly. I was gonna talk about that too. Let's do it. So in Breath of the Wild, you can meet a woman called Mava who's, like, an elderly Gerudo. And she specifically says, like, you can find her by the statue."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1595.74",
      "endTime": "1603.7549",
      "body": "And she says, oh, the goddess statue has been here since before I was even born. No one here really believes in that stuff though, so they tend to avoid stopping here."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1604.315",
      "endTime": "1620.1",
      "body": "The you have not gotten to this in Ocarina yet, but there's the when you get to the oh gosh. I think, yeah, the spirit temple, the whole dang thing is a big old statue of the goddess or whatever that the Gerudo worship. Yeah. And so when you get there, paint take take note."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1620.1",
      "endTime": "1631.7549",
      "body": "Yeah. And even in breath, although we don't know if people genuinely believe in them, we there's like at some point, clearly, they believed in, like, the eight heroines because of all those statues."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1631.995",
      "endTime": "1639.115",
      "body": "Yeah. Yeah. The seventh and the eighth one over there in the hills and stuff. Yeah. So that's that's their kind of, like, religion, which I didn't really realize."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1639.115",
      "endTime": "1652.7799",
      "body": "You know, some we get so we get so busy talking about Hilya and all those different gods that are making things that sometimes it's it's easy to forget. And I actually really, really like Mhmm. That there's a completely different faith based system inside the canon."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1652.94",
      "endTime": "1659.255",
      "body": "Yeah. It's really cool. But going to their canon first appearance"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1659.415",
      "endTime": "1659.655",
      "body": "Yes."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1659.735",
      "endTime": "1680.78",
      "body": "Is Ocarina of Time. And they're obviously presented at these, like, band of desert thieves. However, they're not necessarily evil. You do fight them, but it's more because Ganon's their ruler. So they just kinda do what he says type thing, except for, obviously, Nabooru who ends up kinda usurping Ganon as a sage."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1680.78",
      "endTime": "1682.7799",
      "body": "I've always said Nabooru, but I'm not sure."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1682.78",
      "endTime": "1683.34",
      "body": "I don't know how"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1683.34",
      "endTime": "1692.0049",
      "body": "it's pronounced. No no worries at all. But she's kind of a main character that you meet in Ocarina Mhmm. That you that you deal with while you're going through the spirit dungeon and stuff like that."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1692.005",
      "endTime": "1704.36",
      "body": "Yeah. And it also kind of calls to this some of the older trends of how, like, the male Gerudo was always the ruler. Whenever he was born, he was the one that was the king of power. I know. I know."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1704.92",
      "endTime": "1709.72",
      "body": "Which I mean, it's something you see in a lot of fantasy media."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1709.72",
      "endTime": "1710.28",
      "body": "Oh, really?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1710.28",
      "endTime": "1733.29",
      "body": "Yeah. So it's not necessarily like, you know, like thirty years ago when they do these dang things. Like, it's it's it's very common. And I honestly was gonna say it would be kind of cool if, obviously, we don't see that tradition in Breath or Tears. But if we did ever see a link that was Gerudo, seeing him also take the form of a prince Mhmm."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1733.53",
      "endTime": "1738.0099",
      "body": "And kind of having that flip so he also has kinda Zelda's role in a way."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1738.8099",
      "endTime": "1739.7699",
      "body": "Oh, interesting."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1740.09",
      "endTime": "1742.385",
      "body": "Which I don't know. I think that would be kinda cool."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1743.185",
      "endTime": "1770.135",
      "body": "Yeah. I I would say the Gerudo so another thing to speak about with the Gerudo's introduction, and then what we've got about five minutes here and maybe we can go to break and kinda dig into some of more of the appearances and and what you know, how they are established in the diff all the different games. But so this is the first time you and I are talking about kind of stuff. We haven't had that opportunity yet this season. But over the years, we're just about to finish our sixth season here."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1770.135",
      "endTime": "1789.46",
      "body": "Over the years, one of the kind of themes that kinda keeps coming up with Ocarina of Time is that that game was amazing and and spectacular. And while it was being built, some it was really kind of being built in many ways game first, story later. Mhmm. And it was like, alright. How about we have some thieves?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1789.46",
      "endTime": "1793.14",
      "body": "And alright. We made this cool female model. Sure. Sure. Sure."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1793.14",
      "endTime": "1796.955",
      "body": "Copy paste. We got a bunch of female models. Yeah. Why? Well, how about this?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1797.1951",
      "endTime": "1799.835",
      "body": "The Amazonians. Yeah. Yeah. They're yeah. That'd be cool."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1799.8351",
      "endTime": "1804.155",
      "body": "Like Yeah. I'm sorry to say it, but the but and not to take anything away from Ocarina of Time Well,"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1804.155",
      "endTime": "1804.635",
      "body": "they were"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1805.115",
      "endTime": "1824.325",
      "body": "making for the time, they were making this epic game bigger than any game, you know, could be conceived of at the time and, you know, okay. Okay. Fine. You know, there's there's stuff that was happening on PlayStation at the time that was, you know, one could argue Final Fantasy seven is larger technically. But, you know, this game that was was certainly the largest thing Nintendo had ever made."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1824.325",
      "endTime": "1847.5901",
      "body": "Mhmm. And there was, you know, the I did do a behind the scenes episode of the making of Ocarina of Time, and the biggest thing I learned is that they pivoted over the course of three or four years of making this game. Every six months, they were like hard pivoting on what the game would even do, how it even works because they were creating the technology of how to even make a three d game. Mhmm. You know, along with Mario 64, they didn't even know what this game would feel like or look like."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1847.5901",
      "endTime": "1869.96",
      "body": "They were still trying to figure out what a game in three d even was. Yeah. And so there's a lot of I I don't usually I I usually do afford a lot of exemptions and excuses with Ocarina of Time lore. And I think that one of the cool things is that Nintendo's taken some of the seeds that was planted in Ocarina, and they've taken that lore and they've turned it into proper lore in the coming games. And maybe we'll speak to that later in this episode."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1869.96",
      "endTime": "1870.5199",
      "body": "Yeah."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1871.08",
      "endTime": "1880.135",
      "body": "So I think this kind of storyline of like, oh, we got a bunch of women thieves out in the desert. I don't think we have to read into it too much for Ocarina."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1880.135",
      "endTime": "1889.5751",
      "body": "No. Absolutely not. I just really did like the idea of, you know, what and our potential third game that we create"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1889.75",
      "endTime": "1890.0701",
      "body": "Mhmm."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1890.15",
      "endTime": "1900.47",
      "body": "That the like, the flipping of the triforce of, like, Link being, like, the prince and Gerudo and kind of just flipping it all on their heads."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1901.51",
      "endTime": "1904.39",
      "body": "But yeah. Well well well. Okay. We'll let's table that for now."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1904.475",
      "endTime": "1920.13",
      "body": "Yeah. Interesting. And then kind of tying back to what we were talking about about, like, maybe it's no two male Gerudo can exist at the same time. Mhmm. Another thing that's just kind of video game logic, you gotta accept it, is that Ganondorf has two surrogate surrogate moms who are witches."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1920.77",
      "endTime": "1921.89",
      "body": "Yeah. Yeah."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1921.9701",
      "endTime": "1938.545",
      "body": "But because of that, a lot of people think that's why he lives so long is through magic. And that's also why, like because I correct me if I'm wrong because I haven't played these games, but he lives through, like, Majora's Mask and stuff. And that's why there's not another male Gerudo is because he just Perhaps. Has continued to live so long."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1938.625",
      "endTime": "1945.8251",
      "body": "I I subscribe I subscribe that the Ganondorf that shows up in Twilight Princess is the same Ganondorf that's in Ocarina of Time."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1945.8251",
      "endTime": "1947.5851",
      "body": "People think that too Yeah. With his execution."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1947.81",
      "endTime": "1949.5701",
      "body": "It does line up in the timeline."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "1949.5701",
      "endTime": "1950.05",
      "body": "Yeah."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1950.05",
      "endTime": "1964.9149",
      "body": "And and Majora's Mask is is between that. Well, actually, no. Majora's Mask is part of the child timeline, which is a different thing. But but Twinrova also can materialize as a single entity. In fact, she appears as a single entity in Ocarina at a certain point."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1964.995",
      "endTime": "1984.65",
      "body": "I don't wanna spoil too much. And so maybe we could backwards logic that one where Twinrova, through magic, split herself into these two Mhmm. Witches because they also have opposing elemental magic. You know? And so maybe if that if Twinrova is his actual wait."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1984.65",
      "endTime": "1990.65",
      "body": "Surrogate mother, said? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe that works."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "1990.65",
      "endTime": "2003.695",
      "body": "But but I do know that that Twinrova and Kommein Katake, the witches that that come from Twinrova, they are, like, hundreds and hundreds of years old, and Gerudo don't normally live that long."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2003.695",
      "endTime": "2004.095",
      "body": "Yeah."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2004.095",
      "endTime": "2005.855",
      "body": "And so I think there's lot of magic going on."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2005.935",
      "endTime": "2010.4099",
      "body": "Ganondorf lives so long between those, like, two potentially three games."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2010.49",
      "endTime": "2011.61",
      "body": "I guess the only thing is"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2011.85",
      "endTime": "2016.1699",
      "body": "I think in Ocarina, he's already, like, 117 or something. Yeah. I could be wrong about that."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2016.1699",
      "endTime": "2017.61",
      "body": "No. You might be right. Maybe I never noticed."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2017.61",
      "endTime": "2024.0349",
      "body": "Yeah. I'll check-in between the break. But I think when I was doing my research, it said he was, like, already 117 in Ocarina."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2024.4349",
      "endTime": "2030.4349",
      "body": "And maybe it would be fun to imagine that he's doing that on purpose or Twinrova's doing it so that he can stay the king."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2030.4349",
      "endTime": "2032.0349",
      "body": "Exactly. That's what I was thinking."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2032.0349",
      "endTime": "2033.1549",
      "body": "Interesting. I never thought"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2033.1549",
      "endTime": "2046.4099",
      "body": "of that. And then that's exactly why there's no other male Gerudo because he continues to live and that transfers over to Breath. Everyone being in Breath, oh, why is there not another Gerudo? And then you find out later in tears, obviously, he's still technically alive."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2046.81",
      "endTime": "2055.155",
      "body": "If Breath if the Breath Ganondorf is the Twilight Princess Ganondorf and the Twilight Princess Ganondorf is the Ocarina of Time Ganondorf"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2055.2349",
      "endTime": "2056.1948",
      "body": "Then he's never this dies."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2056.355",
      "endTime": "2058.4348",
      "body": "All lines up. He's just"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2058.835",
      "endTime": "2061.075",
      "body": "you can't kill him. He's here forever."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2061.555",
      "endTime": "2068.3",
      "body": "I don't know. Tears I'm I am playing more and more of Tears and it does take some liberties and some hard left turns. Yeah. It may or may not support that. But I'm I'm into this."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2068.3",
      "endTime": "2075.1802",
      "body": "I'm into this. Let's see. Yeah. So the idea of the Gerudo in Ocarina, I love it. I get it."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2075.1802",
      "endTime": "2079.595",
      "body": "They were a lot they I I don't wanna talk about it much, but it's it's fun when you meet the Gerudo."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2079.595",
      "endTime": "2080.3948",
      "body": "Yeah. Because"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2080.3948",
      "endTime": "2091.6748",
      "body": "they're a little difficult to get to. When you're there, it's the first time in the game where you really feel like, oh, the ante's been upped a little bit. Yeah. And I'm excited for you to get to that point in the game. They don't appear in no."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2091.6748",
      "endTime": "2094.37",
      "body": "They are in Majora's Mask, Mask, but they're pirates in Majora's Mask."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2094.37",
      "endTime": "2095.57",
      "body": "Mhmm. They are."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2095.57",
      "endTime": "2107.365",
      "body": "Which probably, again, is gamey wamy because Majora's Mask just doesn't have a desert. Yeah. So probably designers were like, oh, we want those Gerudo. Put them on a pirate ship. Put them in the put them in the Great Bay where the zoras are or whatever."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2107.365",
      "endTime": "2111.765",
      "body": "You know what I mean? I get it. Get it. They're running out of space, running out of time, and I'm okay with that. There are Yeah."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2111.765",
      "endTime": "2114.565",
      "body": "Game limitations sometimes brings creativity."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2114.565",
      "endTime": "2114.885",
      "body": "Mhmm."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2114.885",
      "endTime": "2138.935",
      "body": "And so they are almost literal pirates in Majora's Mask. And I don't think I didn't I never felt like that was, like, the same Gerudo. Like, I don't I never felt like they had moved from the desert in Ocarina. However, there is one canonical thing where in four swords adventures, the Gerudo are kind of in the deserts just living in they're kinda nomadic. Yeah."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2139.175",
      "endTime": "2150.09",
      "body": "And I think that that is canonically the same Gerudo there that were that would have been in Twilight Princess. Twilight Princess does not have any Gerudo. Yeah. And it's kinda weird. You kinda feel the absence a little bit."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2150.09",
      "endTime": "2162.855",
      "body": "Mhmm. But you do have a dungeon where the Gerudo probably were, but they're gone. And in the in the Nintendo timeline, Four Swords Adventures comes after Twilight Princess. Mhmm. And so story wise there, if we're gonna do some of that lore, even though sometimes I shy away from lore lore"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2163.095",
      "endTime": "2163.4949",
      "body": "Yeah. The"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2163.4949",
      "endTime": "2173.4148",
      "body": "Gerudo I in Four Swords Adventures, they basically speaks to how, like, because Ganondorf was well, he gets banished in I know you haven't played this game, I don't wanna do too much about it."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2173.4148",
      "endTime": "2175.895",
      "body": "No. No. I I know that he gets banished. I know"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2175.895",
      "endTime": "2182.66",
      "body": "all that. They they, like, like, lose faith in him, and they Yeah. They say that's it. We're just gonna go do our own thing. And so then in Four Swords Adventures, they're doing their own thing."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2182.66",
      "endTime": "2199.435",
      "body": "Yeah. And that's what I was gonna say is, like, they probably just either they were banished, which I don't think they would have been because they you could see them celebrating at the end with people. I think Yeah. They just decided to leave and kind of start up their own place. I imagine there weren't great memories there."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2199.435",
      "endTime": "2209.65",
      "body": "Right. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. But in Breath of the Wild, that's the only time we see Gerudo actively speaking about also literally partnering up with, like, other races Yeah."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2209.65",
      "endTime": "2211.09",
      "body": "Which I thought I kinda liked."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2211.17",
      "endTime": "2226.185",
      "body": "Yeah. And it also goes into a lot of people were thinking genetically why in ocarina their ears are round, and then why in breath their ears are pointed. Because of just genetically, all have now descended from hylians."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2226.425",
      "endTime": "2230.825",
      "body": "Are they mixing with the hylians? Yeah. It could be it. Yeah. Yeah."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2231.4648",
      "endTime": "2234.585",
      "body": "So this magic follow? The magic DNA. Where does the magic"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2234.585",
      "endTime": "2237.8901",
      "body": "DNA follow? They just happen have the ears now. It's just genetics."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2238.21",
      "endTime": "2245.7302",
      "body": "Wait a second. So when we see the kid Gerudo in Breath of the Wild running around, where are they coming from?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2248.05",
      "endTime": "2252.235",
      "body": "Maybe they're all over with Ganon. Who knows?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2253.115",
      "endTime": "2261.515",
      "body": "Because it's not like you don't have, like, you know, what's you know, the the two that that that get together in Terrytown. I forget the guy's name. What's his name? It's or something?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2261.515",
      "endTime": "2266.31",
      "body": "Isn't it Terry? Or no. That doesn't make sense. It has a son at the end. Maybe it is Bolson."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2266.31",
      "endTime": "2274.7102",
      "body": "Maybe. I don't know. But, like, you don't have, like, a Gerudo with, like, a big hair hair round hair haircut running around or anything like that. I don't know. Maybe we don't have to get into that too much."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2274.7102",
      "endTime": "2279.425",
      "body": "Maybe maybe we take a break and catch our breath here and then kinda come back. I don't know. How are you feeling?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2279.5051",
      "endTime": "2289.105",
      "body": "No. That sounds good. I I personally think that that's what's what happens though. Because also in Ocarina, they don't like outsiders. They're not leaving."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2289.105",
      "endTime": "2291.3801",
      "body": "So I mean"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2291.86",
      "endTime": "2293.62",
      "body": "Wait. What what do you mean?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2293.62",
      "endTime": "2294.5",
      "body": "Wait. Am I wrong? You got"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2294.5",
      "endTime": "2296.1",
      "body": "a weird look on your face right now."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2296.1",
      "endTime": "2304.2751",
      "body": "Oh, I I just mean if, like, they aren't doing in breath where they're leaving and there's only females and there's one guy but there are children."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2304.995",
      "endTime": "2306.4353",
      "body": "It's like a lion pride?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2306.5952",
      "endTime": "2308.2751",
      "body": "That's what I'm kinda thinking."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2308.7551",
      "endTime": "2314.9153",
      "body": "Humans well, maybe they're not human. Maybe there is magic but but human DNA doesn't work that way. I don't know."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2315.5552",
      "endTime": "2319.53",
      "body": "I have no clue, man. Gosh. Oh my goodness. I think we to need take a Maybe."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2319.77",
      "endTime": "2321.45",
      "body": "Alright. Alright. Cool. Let's reset. We'll come back."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2321.45",
      "endTime": "2342.665",
      "body": "Yeah. This is getting this is getting pretty pretty crazy town. Sounds good. I'll see you in a minute. It's the first day of school and I'm walking around Downtown Chicago with hundreds of other students."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2344.665",
      "endTime": "2369.295",
      "body": "Everyone's getting back from summer break and you can tell that they're happy to see each other after a couple months. For me, however, it's been a little longer. Hi. I'm David and I want to introduce you to Returning Student, a documentary podcast that I've been making about my return to a college that I left twenty years ago. I'm back in the same city, at the same school, the same student ID number."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2369.535",
      "endTime": "2385.5999",
      "body": "Everything else feels completely different. My fellow classmates are literally half my age. My professors work in my industry. Sometimes I wonder why I've come back at all. But then I get the opportunity to sit down with one of my professors and have a conversation with them which usually yields a little bit of wisdom."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2385.5999",
      "endTime": "2397.475",
      "body": "You can find the show on all major podcast providers as well as our website returningstudentpodcast.com. A lot has changed over the past two decades."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2408.3552",
      "endTime": "2414.31",
      "body": "And we are back talking more about the Gerudo. However, we are gonna pivot to some other games now."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2414.31",
      "endTime": "2424.995",
      "body": "Yeah, Kady. This episode's going a lot different than the Yiga Clan episode. Yeah. So sorry, man. Well, we never well, we we never even got into gender of the Yiga Clan when we did that episode."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2424.995",
      "endTime": "2430.355",
      "body": "You know, they're all kind of androgynous. You have no idea. They could be male or female under those outfits they wear."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2430.355",
      "endTime": "2447.9402",
      "body": "Yeah. I mean, it's a huge thing for the Gerudo, though. I feel like it's kind of inevitable to talk about that because, I mean, they make such a big thing about, like, only women and, like, the only one male and all that kind of stuff. But yeah. We talked a little bit about some of the other games."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2448.42",
      "endTime": "2450.74",
      "body": "I really wanted to touch on Breath and Tears"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2450.98",
      "endTime": "2451.54",
      "body": "Sure."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2451.62",
      "endTime": "2468.9",
      "body": "Because that's where I first saw them and was first introduced to them, and I fell in love with them. I think they're so cool. And I think in places to live, I mentioned, like, they were, like, up top for me, like, wanting to live there. So, obviously, they're back in the desert. They're back in their little land."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2470.02",
      "endTime": "2481.46",
      "body": "Something really cool about the architecture, just touching on it really quick, is the fact they have water on the top, which kind of helps keep the area cool. Yeah. Which is just such a cool thing that Nintendo thought to put in. They, like, took a lot of time on that."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2481.8599",
      "endTime": "2484.955",
      "body": "Yeah. In Gerudo Town in in Breath? Yeah. Yeah."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2484.955",
      "endTime": "2499.1199",
      "body": "Yeah. But, obviously, it's only women. Link's not allowed in even though he is technically, like, the savior and all that kind of stuff. So you always have to dress up until you get over to the tears, you help him out, you're good. Yeah."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2499.1199",
      "endTime": "2503.36",
      "body": "That's true. Yeah. Yeah. They'll allow exceptions here and there when one proves themself."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2503.52",
      "endTime": "2531.33",
      "body": "And a lot of that is because of Riju, which is the ruler in Breath of the Wild and, I guess, tears as well, which kind of immediately makes them very different from the previous incarnations because not only is Riju a female that's ruling them, she also is a part of a long line of women that have ruled. Yeah. Specifically, she's 12 in the first game. I think she's, like, 15 or 16 in the second one."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2531.33",
      "endTime": "2532.29",
      "body": "Seems about right."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2533.01",
      "endTime": "2552.835",
      "body": "And she talks about how she became the leader because her mom unexpectedly died. However, I wanna say, like, Urboso is not her mom because she mentions that her mom died not long aft like, before Link showed up. But that being said, Urbosa may be related to her in the sense that she might be her, like, grandma or great grandma, which should be kinda cool."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2554.23",
      "endTime": "2563.83",
      "body": "Yeah. Yeah. Well, now I'm starting to think, do the Gerudo actually do they actually normally live for about a hundred years? Do they live a little longer than normal Yeah. Or or than what we would expect for a human lifetime?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2563.83",
      "endTime": "2571.045",
      "body": "From what I was seeing, they said that they live about the same as, like, a normal person at most, like, a century."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2571.285",
      "endTime": "2572.005",
      "body": "Okay."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2572.4849",
      "endTime": "2577.2048",
      "body": "Although, who knows? Because we aren't specifically told. That's just what people have assumed."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2577.2048",
      "endTime": "2582.6702",
      "body": "Right. Some remember the calamity in Breath of the Wild Mhmm. Just like the Zoras. But the Zoras we know live for, like, three hundred years or whatever."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2582.6702",
      "endTime": "2584.1902",
      "body": "Oh, yeah. The Zoras live forever."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2584.6702",
      "endTime": "2585.3901",
      "body": "They live"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2585.3901",
      "endTime": "2605.37",
      "body": "for a long time. And they still are known to be warriors even though they aren't known to be, like, pirates or thieves anymore. Instead, they're known to like be travelers and sell their goods and stuff like that. But they tend to use like the scimitars and glaive weapons and cool things like that. And like we were talking sorry."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2605.37",
      "endTime": "2606.01",
      "body": "I'm rambling."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2606.01",
      "endTime": "2607.9302",
      "body": "No. You're good. Love I'm with you."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2608.8901",
      "endTime": "2613.77",
      "body": "We were talking about the the way they have children."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2614.25",
      "endTime": "2615.1301",
      "body": "So Sure."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2616.01",
      "endTime": "2641.36",
      "body": "It is explicitly said in Breath that how that happens is once they become adults, they leave Gerudo Town and kind of wander around, live their life. They can choose to come back if they want, but they're welcome to live out there with their husbands. And a lot of them do find husbands, live outside of Gerudo Town with them and just return to sell their goods. Oh, is that how that works? It is."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2641.36",
      "endTime": "2645.68",
      "body": "Interesting. Talk to some of the merchants, you can get some knowledge about that, which is kinda cool."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2645.68",
      "endTime": "2646.88",
      "body": "That's super cool. Yeah."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2647.5051",
      "endTime": "2648.945",
      "body": "And Because"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2648.945",
      "endTime": "2660.065",
      "body": "I I used to think for a while, was kinda like, hey. I love where we're going here in this game. I love what the Gerudo are in Breath of the Wild, but, like, not a great business choice to have all of your shops inside a town you only let half the community get into."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2660.065",
      "endTime": "2673.93",
      "body": "Yeah. So that's how that works where they come in, they sell their goods, and then they go and they can continue selling outside or just go back to live with their husbands. However, a lot of Gerudo say it is still really tough on the marriage being separated from their husbands a lot."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2673.93",
      "endTime": "2675.21",
      "body": "Well, that's actually cool."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2675.21",
      "endTime": "2675.45",
      "body": "Yeah."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2675.45",
      "endTime": "2678.315",
      "body": "I mean, it's cool that that's being addressed. That's nice little metaphor in there."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2678.315",
      "endTime": "2685.4348",
      "body": "And on top of that, I don't know if you've done the quest line in Tarrytown yet. But"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2685.6748",
      "endTime": "2688.075",
      "body": "I well, the Tarrytown in Breath, I have, of course."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2688.075",
      "endTime": "2692.075",
      "body": "Oh, I mean, in tears. Nope. So this might be a little spoilery."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2692.075",
      "endTime": "2692.4749",
      "body": "It's fine."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2692.97",
      "endTime": "2704.49",
      "body": "Because this also touches on the fact that so Bolson, I believe his name is. I can't remember what his wife is. So sorry. But they got together. They had a little girl."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2704.49",
      "endTime": "2705.465",
      "body": "She's super cute."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2705.465",
      "endTime": "2710.185",
      "body": "Oh, so you see a kid, a a Gerudo mixed race kid in tears?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2710.185",
      "endTime": "2712.985",
      "body": "Yeah. And she just looks like the same as all the other Gerudo kids."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2713.065",
      "endTime": "2715.945",
      "body": "Okay. Fine. They must have a dominant gene then. That's fine. Yeah."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2715.945",
      "endTime": "2720.01",
      "body": "I didn't even know that happened. Here I was in the first half seeing like, does it work? Okay. Cool. This is cool."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2720.01",
      "endTime": "2720.4102",
      "body": "And"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2721.61",
      "endTime": "2735.895",
      "body": "not only that, but there's a specific quest line of Bolson the father being really upset because his daughter's birthday is coming up, and she's super excited because I guess when Gerudo children turn a certain age, they have to leave and live in Gerudo Town until they're adults and they cannot leave."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2736.055",
      "endTime": "2738.215",
      "body": "Like going off to school, going off to a boarding school"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2738.215",
      "endTime": "2738.535",
      "body": "or something."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2738.535",
      "endTime": "2741.335",
      "body": "Exactly. And there's literally a school in tears. Okay. Interesting. Interesting."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2741.335",
      "endTime": "2754.85",
      "body": "So I I don't know exactly her age. I don't know if they say, but she's basically around six or seven, and she's super excited. And Bolson's really sad, but the mom is like, it's time. Like, she's gotta go. So some Gerudo women come and take her to Gerudo Town."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2754.85",
      "endTime": "2763.265",
      "body": "You can go to Gerudo Town, and she's running around having the time of her life. And when you talk with her, she's super excited because she's like, oh, I learned what a vo is. I learned what a whatever is."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2763.265",
      "endTime": "2763.905",
      "body": "Dude."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2763.905",
      "endTime": "2780.22",
      "body": "Yeah. It's so it's cool. It's really cool, but also kinda touches on, like, how the husband and, like, father kind of get the raw end of the stick in this situation Oh. Of, like, the mom can go in and visit her whenever she wants, and he can't see her until she's an adult."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2780.22",
      "endTime": "2799.405",
      "body": "I wonder. I was thinking about this a few minutes ago. I I I I might be making some assumptions here because this is just an off the top of my head thought right now. But I you know, you hear about what work life balance was like in the eighties and the nineties and maybe even 2000, maybe even still for businessmen in Japan. Mhmm."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2799.485",
      "endTime": "2818.965",
      "body": "And and these these crazy work hours to the point where sometimes they're literally, you know, just this literally, it's like work and sleep and that's it. You know? Some people you know? And that's sometimes and there are certain business situations that I've you know, you learn about. And you could imagine those men in real life speaking about it's hard to be away from my family."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2818.965",
      "endTime": "2858.8499",
      "body": "I'm always at you know, it might be a metaphor for being in a corporate job a little bit too. And this might be an interesting way where the game designers or whoever scripted this storyline in Breath, which now is, I I hope, and it it certainly feels like it's a little bit more mixed representation wise on a gender level Yeah. For even the writers and the creators. You know, it might be a a an interesting way to twist that that and and have it be a bit of a corporate workplace metaphor, honestly, a little bit too. When you when you when the when the the wife says it's difficult being away from the husband or or, you know, because I'm working so much or I'm the only one that can be here, you know, for a long time."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2858.8499",
      "endTime": "2868.45",
      "body": "Certainly, I can speak to American corporate structure where it was, you know, men a lot of men only, like, in the eighties and the nineties. I don't wanna dig into that too deep. It was just a thought that came through. But there"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2868.45",
      "endTime": "2869.17",
      "body": "could be some"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2869.17",
      "endTime": "2871.65",
      "body": "themes being kind of twisted and explored there."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2871.65",
      "endTime": "2903.375",
      "body": "Yeah. You definitely hit it on the head, I think. I think the Gerudo, what they were kind of originally made to be, and especially what they turned into is kind of them twisting on the head of, like, you know, like, kind of a quote, unquote male dominated society now being, like, this female dominated society and kind of the roles being switched and just kind of putting it very plain in terms. And I kind of really appreciate that in the sense of them showing, like, these are the situations. It doesn't matter what gender it affects."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2903.375",
      "endTime": "2906.095",
      "body": "Like, it sucks, and we need to talk about it."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2906.095",
      "endTime": "2908.815",
      "body": "Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Right. Yeah."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2908.815",
      "endTime": "2922.01",
      "body": "Yeah. There's this whole other thing I remember. I was just speaking to a coworker the other day, and they were talking about and I don't know anything about this. Mhmm. But apparently, on ESPN, the women's the WNBA finals just happened something with March Madness."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2922.01",
      "endTime": "2947.0999",
      "body": "I don't know anything about this, but it was the the women's finals in basketball was the the most watched basketball event pro college or otherwise on ESPN in history That's awesome. Week. And it was just because, really, quite frankly, I'll just say they, I don't know who it is at ESPN or who it is in our culture, just never decided that it was important to show women's basketball. Yeah. And it was like it was like, no."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2947.0999",
      "endTime": "2953.26",
      "body": "Actually, it's really exciting. You know, there was so anyway, don't wanna you know what I mean? Won't give it too much, sometimes there's assumptions, you know, being made."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2953.26",
      "endTime": "2953.9",
      "body": "Exactly."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2953.9",
      "endTime": "2971.655",
      "body": "And and and there is an interest there. You know, it's if if the story starts with, like, just gamey way me reasons and then Mhmm. Over the years, writers are able to take that and make it a bit more nuanced, I think maybe, you know, exploring some of those themes is kinda cool."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2971.97",
      "endTime": "2982.5298",
      "body": "Yeah. No. It is. And then I mean, we mentioned that we were well, I said I was gonna try and make it kinda like the Yiga clan, and then you said this is nothing like, how the Yiga clan episode went."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "2982.5298",
      "endTime": "2990.375",
      "body": "And and and not well, actually, in many ways, maybe it is because Dan and I did dive in. It's realizing how different the Yiga clan is Mhmm. To the Gerudo."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "2990.375",
      "endTime": "3003.75",
      "body": "Yeah. But what I was gonna say is I think it is funny because of the rivalry between the Yiga and the Gerudo Yes. Which is also very funny because I feel like in a way the Yiga took the Gerudo's place the in sense of they're like the band of thieves living in the desert."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3003.75",
      "endTime": "3005.9102",
      "body": "Completely. I completely agree."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3005.9102",
      "endTime": "3019.555",
      "body": "So it is kinda cool seeing that, like, the new kind of fighting the past in a way of, like, they were one way, but now they're another. And they're kind of, like, physically fighting people that were that way, if that makes sense."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3019.555",
      "endTime": "3027.395",
      "body": "Yeah. Absolutely. And really, really the the opposing element to the Yiga really is the Sheikah. So maybe there's a Sheikah episode we have to do as well. Oh, love"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3027.395",
      "endTime": "3028.1948",
      "body": "to do the Sheikah."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3028.1948",
      "endTime": "3029.075",
      "body": "I'm into this."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3029.075",
      "endTime": "3030.675",
      "body": "Yeah. Oh, I love to do the Sheikah."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3030.71",
      "endTime": "3042.39",
      "body": "Yeah. I think the Gerudo I will say, I think the Gerudo in the over the last seven years, over the past two games and maybe a little bit before that Mhmm. I think Nintendo's found the right way to go with that narrative. I I've been very, very pleased with the Gerudo over the past couple games."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3042.47",
      "endTime": "3055.675",
      "body": "Yeah. I think they're so cool. I just I feel like their entire aesthetic is very cool, and it's clear that they pulled from so many different, like, cultures and different things. I think their clothing is really cute. The makeup is always great."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3055.675",
      "endTime": "3066.44",
      "body": "Although, I will say the white lipstick always kinda throws me off whenever I see it. It looks a little weird. Sure. But it's I don't know. I think it's fun, especially because of how short Link is."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3066.76",
      "endTime": "3096.81",
      "body": "Yeah. Seeing him interact in that environment of, like, oh, there's a cookbook you need, like, a Gerudo woman to come and bring you a step stool to see it. And, also, I don't think we really touched on it, but the schools that they have for basically teaching the women, like, from when they go out to Romance of Vogue and the fact that you can I mean, I've mentioned this before, but you can go in and help out with those as Link? And even in the first game of Breath, you if you're, like, disguised as a girl, you can go in and just sit in on a class."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3096.81",
      "endTime": "3097.29",
      "body": "Mhmm."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3097.29",
      "endTime": "3106.615",
      "body": "And I just think it's funny. I also like that the, like I believe the chalkboard in the back is literally just a picture of, like, two people, like, going to kiss with, a heart"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3106.615",
      "endTime": "3109.575",
      "body": "in the middle. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, is that funny?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3110.055",
      "endTime": "3126.5151",
      "body": "So I I like that they also bring in a lot of humor around it of, like, yeah, this is kind of a crazy culture that we've kind of created, but they obviously put a lot of time and effort into it and, like, have tried really hard to flesh it out. And I'm excited to see them flesh it out even more."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3127.0752",
      "endTime": "3132.195",
      "body": "I mean, we'll see. Yeah. I'm sure I mean, the Gerudo's a clear a clear presence at this point in the in the universe."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3132.195",
      "endTime": "3140.22",
      "body": "Yeah. I'd be surprised if we ever saw a game without these core races again just because of how strong people have attached to them."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3140.3",
      "endTime": "3148.94",
      "body": "Mhmm. Mhmm. Mhmm. Even when Oracle of Ages and Oracle of Seasons came out, they were the next release order games after Ocarina of Time. Mhmm."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3148.94",
      "endTime": "3172.31",
      "body": "And you, you know, sure enough, even though they were just two d sprite games, like, all of sudden, the Gorons showed up in them. All a sudden, the Zora showed up in them. Yeah. And I guess the Gerudo kinda do because Twinrova shows up in those games. But even if the next proper Zelda game is a I have a I have a hankering that what Nintendo might do is the next original Zelda game might be like a, quote, unquote, two d game again Mhmm."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3172.3901",
      "endTime": "3187.5051",
      "body": "Just to change it up so much so that there isn't as much comparison to Breath of the Wild. But who knows? Yeah. Probably Ocarina of Time HD is inevitable in the next five years, But but the next original game might be top down. It would be interesting to see how all of these different races are represented in a game like that."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3187.5051",
      "endTime": "3189.5852",
      "body": "Yeah. Oh, it'd be so cool."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3189.5852",
      "endTime": "3205.0398",
      "body": "I also like that the Gerudo kinda went there there there's a there's a strength to their aesthetic now. You know what I mean? Where it was, you know, in Ocarina, and it was a little bit like Jasmine from Aladdin a little bit. Yeah. And now it's like, these look like people that are actually warriors and stuff."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3205.0398",
      "endTime": "3205.92",
      "body": "It's very cool."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3206.0",
      "endTime": "3218.695",
      "body": "Yeah. And I have I I like looking into all that. I like the fact that in tiers, you get to, like, organize your cavalry of women to fight for you. And yeah. I don't know."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3218.695",
      "endTime": "3229.8",
      "body": "I just think it's so cool. I have, like, a this is, like, I say it a quiz, but it's really just three questions because I couldn't find enough that we didn't talk about."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3230.28",
      "endTime": "3231.0",
      "body": "Okay."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3231.0",
      "endTime": "3236.76",
      "body": "So this is probably gonna be really easy, but there's stuff that I couldn't figure out how to put in organically, but I liked it. So"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3237.215",
      "endTime": "3238.415",
      "body": "Let's do it. You're surprising me"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3238.415",
      "endTime": "3239.135",
      "body": "right now. Here you"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3239.135",
      "endTime": "3241.055",
      "body": "go. Here you go."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3241.055",
      "endTime": "3246.415",
      "body": "Yeah. So easy stuff. What are the terms for male and female in the Gerudo language?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3246.415",
      "endTime": "3247.375",
      "body": "Isn't it like vo and vai"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3247.375",
      "endTime": "3247.615",
      "body": "or something"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3247.615",
      "endTime": "3248.0151",
      "body": "like that?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3248.0151",
      "endTime": "3253.12",
      "body": "It's really yeah. It's really easy. Okay. I told you this is gonna be really easy, but I just wanted to put these in the episode."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3253.12",
      "endTime": "3260.8",
      "body": "Well, honestly, with my dyslexia, when I look at those things, I see the v and I just my eyes just skips past. So I'm really not so sure of it. So that one was actually was like, I was kinda pulling that one from the back."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3260.8",
      "endTime": "3264.08",
      "body": "What sport is common in Gerudo Town?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3264.08",
      "endTime": "3267.275",
      "body": "Absolutely no idea. Nothing? A sport?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3267.4348",
      "endTime": "3268.4749",
      "body": "Yeah. It's a sport that's"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3268.4749",
      "endTime": "3270.075",
      "body": "Is it the way of walrus racing?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3270.1548",
      "endTime": "3274.075",
      "body": "Seal seals seal sand seal racing."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3274.075",
      "endTime": "3277.515",
      "body": "I'm pretty sure it's walrus racing. I was gonna say walrus."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3278.57",
      "endTime": "3279.61",
      "body": "Sand seals."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3279.61",
      "endTime": "3281.77",
      "body": "Yeah. Sand seal races. Okay. Cool. Cool."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3281.93",
      "endTime": "3294.4849",
      "body": "And this one, I didn't know anything about until I looked it up. So I believe this is true. If some it isn't, someone will probably correct me in the comments, but I think this is true. What race is never seen in Gerudo Town in either of the games?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3294.4849",
      "endTime": "3296.965",
      "body": "Maybe the Gorons? Mm-mm. Wait. Wait. No."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3297.445",
      "endTime": "3298.565",
      "body": "Zoras. The Zoras?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3298.565",
      "endTime": "3300.2449",
      "body": "Yeah. They're never there. It's too hot for them."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3300.2449",
      "endTime": "3301.205",
      "body": "Too hot. Yes."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3301.205",
      "endTime": "3305.06",
      "body": "Yeah. So they never show up. But you do see the Gorons, the Rito, and Haimans."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3305.06",
      "endTime": "3309.1401",
      "body": "And I think a Zora once in a while, I think I saw some Gerudo in Zora's domain."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3309.1401",
      "endTime": "3312.02",
      "body": "Yeah. The Gerudo are everywhere. Mhmm. They travel everywhere."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3312.02",
      "endTime": "3334.46",
      "body": "The closest you ever get to Zoras and Gerudo together, I guess, is kinda Majora's Mask when the pirates are on the ship on the side. Also, I thought it was kinda interesting to note that shortly after the Gerudo were expressed as pirates in Majora's Mask Mhmm. The next game that came out, the next three d game that came out was Wind Waker Mhmm. And Tetra, you know, aka Zelda was a pirate. There's, a pirate culture in that game as well."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3334.46",
      "endTime": "3347.725",
      "body": "Mhmm. No no Gerudo. Ganondorf is the only Gerudo that you can see in that game. In fact, he's kind of upset because his Gerudo Desert has been flooded in Wind Waker. But I'm not and, you know, Zelda doesn't have red hair."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3347.725",
      "endTime": "3358.605",
      "body": "It's not one of these, like, gruesome situations, but I did think it was interesting that immediately after establishing that the Gerudo were pirates, even though we've kind of gone full circle and they're back to being merchants and stuff now Yeah. Zelda was a pirate."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3358.605",
      "endTime": "3359.165",
      "body": "Yeah."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3359.405",
      "endTime": "3360.6",
      "body": "Well, we'll see. But, anyway"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3360.76",
      "endTime": "3362.76",
      "body": "They're like their pirates. Pirates are cool, though."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3362.76",
      "endTime": "3365.08",
      "body": "It's like Oh, yeah. There's even pirates in tears. Yeah. Lot of pirates."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3365.08",
      "endTime": "3365.6401",
      "body": "Yeah. There's a lot"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3365.6401",
      "endTime": "3370.9202",
      "body": "of pirates. Well, I wonder if that kinda goes back to the Peter Pan roots because Link was originally inspired by Peter Pan."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3370.9202",
      "endTime": "3371.8801",
      "body": "Really? I didn't know that."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3371.8801",
      "endTime": "3385.355",
      "body": "Oh, yeah. Miyamoto Miyamoto talks about this in interviews often. When they were thinking about the aesthetic of literally designing Link, it was he was queuing off of Peter Pan from Disney. He liked the look, the hat, everything. They switched the hat up a little bit."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3385.355",
      "endTime": "3393.6401",
      "body": "And that also goes into the whole him being in the sorry. I don't mean to cut you off. Please. But I just saw Peter Pan, the musical, like, two days ago."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3393.6401",
      "endTime": "3393.8",
      "body": "K."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3393.8",
      "endTime": "3395.56",
      "body": "And they came here to Chicago."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3395.56",
      "endTime": "3397.6401",
      "body": "Oh, I see. And okay. In real life. Yeah."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3397.6401",
      "endTime": "3404.6802",
      "body": "But it also just kinda ties into the I believe it's the Kohiri, the kids of the forest, and the nun never growing up."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3404.6802",
      "endTime": "3408.605",
      "body": "Never growing up? Yeah. That's all part of it. Link has a fairy. Yeah."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3408.605",
      "endTime": "3412.445",
      "body": "All of it is very it's all Peter Pan. That's so cool. Dark Link is the shadow."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3412.525",
      "endTime": "3413.085",
      "body": "Yeah."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3413.085",
      "endTime": "3416.685",
      "body": "Like, Miyamoto is very open about this. That was their original inspiration."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3416.685",
      "endTime": "3418.7651",
      "body": "That's cool, though. Yeah. Yeah. I love that."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3419.165",
      "endTime": "3423.75",
      "body": "And so yeah. Wait. How do we get on that little diatribe?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3423.75",
      "endTime": "3424.79",
      "body": "Oh, talking about pirates."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3424.79",
      "endTime": "3433.11",
      "body": "Pirates. Oh, yeah. Maybe, you know, there's some of these pirate themes that come through. Right? Because there's lot of pirates pirates are the kind of main bad guys and whatnot in in Peter Pan."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3433.11",
      "endTime": "3439.695",
      "body": "No large alligators yet in Zelda. The largest alligator we get is Link's Awakening. He's an artist, so I guess no no problems there."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3439.695",
      "endTime": "3443.695",
      "body": "Yeah. He didn't take a hand or anything. Because I'm clocking him."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3443.695",
      "endTime": "3458.1802",
      "body": "Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I've, overall, I've been very pleased with where the Gerudo are, and I I like them as a as a race in the culture. I did wanna note I had another note here that, Hylians consider the Gerudo god to be evil."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3458.9001",
      "endTime": "3465.165",
      "body": "Really? Yeah. In contrast. So there's a little bit of tension between the Gerudo and the Hylians from a faith point of view. Mhmm."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3465.165",
      "endTime": "3489.165",
      "body": "And well well, wouldn't any faith think the other faith is evil because that's the nature of believing in something like that. And so everyone has their perspective on whatever they wanna have their perspective on. And so so I wonder if the Gerudo well, the Gerudo have lost interest in in goddess Helia. Yeah. The Helians don't believe in the seven goddesses or the eight goddesses and all that or even the statue in Ocarina of Time."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3489.885",
      "endTime": "3509.44",
      "body": "And so I don't know if we see too many Gerudo. The Gerudo definitely never protect the castle. And, also, it's also interesting to note that it's canonical that the during Breath of the Wild, the Guardians never made it into the desert and never made it actually to Gerudo Town."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3509.44",
      "endTime": "3522.5952",
      "body": "Yeah. That too, which also is obviously probably not the true thing, but I like the thought that it's kind of an Ocarina time situation too where Ganon is in power. He's He doesn't, like, mess with."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3522.5952",
      "endTime": "3527.0752",
      "body": "Oh, interesting. And somehow that camel still got corrupted. But"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3527.0752",
      "endTime": "3534.33",
      "body": "but Yeah. That's where it kinda falls apart because also in tears, the are there and all of that. So"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3536.01",
      "endTime": "3542.17",
      "body": "Well, yeah, that's true. But aren't directly connected to Ganon or Ganondorf. Oh. Yeah. Even in our period of time."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3542.17",
      "endTime": "3543.77",
      "body": "Yeah. They're a separate they're a separate entity."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3543.77",
      "endTime": "3549.5752",
      "body": "And you could also say it's because Urbosa was the one that went to fight, so they corrupted her thing."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3549.5752",
      "endTime": "3568.24",
      "body": "It would also be interesting to think to to to see if, you know, even in tears whenever Ganondorf summons his minions again. Mhmm. Saw Gerudo in the opening trailer or not Gerudo. We saw Gibdos in the opening trailer, but I don't think we actually see them be the things that get spawned Uh-huh. When he summons his baddies."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3568.24",
      "endTime": "3572.925",
      "body": "Because the cobblins, goblins, and the like are usually the things that fight for Ganon"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3573.2449",
      "endTime": "3573.4849",
      "body": "Yeah."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3573.565",
      "endTime": "3580.285",
      "body": "In all the Zelda games. And then you have other entities that just kind of are doing their own things. Yeah. And I think the Gibdor part of that."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3580.4448",
      "endTime": "3581.0051",
      "body": "Nice."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3581.085",
      "endTime": "3591.6099",
      "body": "So that is interesting. I wanna do a little bit more lore search on the that big pyramid temple in Tears of the Kingdom or where that came from, if that's even Ganondorf inspired at all or if it's a completely different thing."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3591.6099",
      "endTime": "3594.97",
      "body": "Yeah. I don't even think about that. That's cool."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3595.13",
      "endTime": "3601.175",
      "body": "Maybe we have to dig down down into that too. Maybe we do a maybe we do a Ganondorf like influences episode or something like that. You know?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3601.175",
      "endTime": "3603.5752",
      "body": "Yeah. That'd be cool. I really wanna do that."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3603.975",
      "endTime": "3608.935",
      "body": "So yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Any other any closing oh, whoops. Oops."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3608.935",
      "endTime": "3610.135",
      "body": "I'm starting to host the episode."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3610.135",
      "endTime": "3615.7202",
      "body": "No. No. No. No. I was actually just about to ask you the same thing if had any other things because I got my stuff all out of the way."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3615.7202",
      "endTime": "3618.9202",
      "body": "I just I like the Gerudo. I like them a lot."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3618.9202",
      "endTime": "3639.965",
      "body": "I think I think narratively, the writers of the Legend of Zelda series weren't set up for success with the original Gerudo storyline. I think it was probably a little bit of a we could say it was an accident, you could say, or a product of the time. And I think that the writers over at Nintendo over the years have done a fantastic job with the Gerudo. Yes. And they really bring him into a in a place that's pretty interesting."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3640.0452",
      "endTime": "3644.6902",
      "body": "And I like this point that you brought up where kinda the Yiga clan becomes the new Mhmm. Bad guys."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3645.01",
      "endTime": "3659.345",
      "body": "Yeah. And also on top of that, with the Yiga clan, you can even say, like, they kinda learned their lesson from the Gerudo in a way because, like you said, like, you can't tell if they're male or female. You can't tell what race they are. They're all different body types. They're all so it even goes into them."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3659.345",
      "endTime": "3666.0652",
      "body": "It's like, it's not directed at anyone in particular. It's just like they are this group of people that do these things."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3666.545",
      "endTime": "3667.505",
      "body": "They're the foot clan."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3667.505",
      "endTime": "3674.34",
      "body": "Yeah. Cool. Yeah. Cool. David, David, if they wanna find you, where can they find you?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3674.5798",
      "endTime": "3675.94",
      "body": "Who? The Gerudo?"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3675.94",
      "endTime": "3677.7",
      "body": "No. The people who listen."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3677.7",
      "endTime": "3679.6199",
      "body": "I know. I just was planning on"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3679.7",
      "endTime": "3682.42",
      "body": "I wish I could find have a Gerudo find me. They're so cool."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3682.8198",
      "endTime": "3690.135",
      "body": "Gotta go into the desert. Gotta follow the winds. Watch the flags. Use the lens of truth. No."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3690.535",
      "endTime": "3691.4949",
      "body": "You don't know what that means yet,"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3691.4949",
      "endTime": "3693.015",
      "body": "I'm thinking. Remember"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3693.015",
      "endTime": "3702.6401",
      "body": "that when you're playing Ocarina. A little hint there. Okay. Yeah. If people wanna find me on the Internet, yeah, I'm wrapped at Raptor Paint on Twitter and Instagram and threads and all the things."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3703.28",
      "endTime": "3704.72",
      "body": "And I'll just leave it at that."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3704.72",
      "endTime": "3722.675",
      "body": "Okay. Cool. If you wanna find me, you can find me at mind of Kady, k a d y, on Instagram or my website, kadyroberts.com. And you wanna find another Zelda Podcast, well, hey, you're already listening, so you're part of the way there. You can find another Zelda Podcast wherever you get your podcast."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3722.675",
      "endTime": "3727.8599",
      "body": "But, also, we are another Zelda pod on pretty much every social media site."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3727.8599",
      "endTime": "3729.8599",
      "body": "Another Zelda Pod only on Twitter slash"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3729.8599",
      "endTime": "3730.5",
      "body": "Oh, no. Twitter. And"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3730.66",
      "endTime": "3732.5798",
      "body": "But we're another Zelda Podcast on everything else."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3732.5798",
      "endTime": "3734.66",
      "body": "Yeah. Okay. And we I swapped them around."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3734.66",
      "endTime": "3735.6199",
      "body": "Yep. Yep."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3735.7",
      "endTime": "3746.675",
      "body": "And, yeah, also another Zelda Podcast website. So you can go on there, see all the different backlogs and stuff, and also look and see everyone that works on the team, which is kinda cool."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3746.675",
      "endTime": "3762.75",
      "body": "Indeed. Indeed. And, hopefully, we'll see you again in two weeks. This is our penultimate episode, but our season six finale will be the next episode where in which we'll be listening to and perusing the music of Link's Awakening, both the 1993 version and the 2019 version."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3762.75",
      "endTime": "3764.43",
      "body": "It's gonna be so good, guys."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3764.43",
      "endTime": "3771.405",
      "body": "I'm looking forward to it. I've got the files queued up, Kady. Cool. Well, until then, guess we'll see you all, Kady. Thank you so much for having me on the show, Thank"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3771.405",
      "endTime": "3772.605",
      "body": "you so much for having me on the show."
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 3",
      "startTime": "3772.605",
      "endTime": "3773.165",
      "body": "It's been great"
    },
    {
      "speaker": "Speaker 2",
      "startTime": "3773.165",
      "endTime": "3777.005",
      "body": "to be here. Oh, it's been so great. Alright. Bye bye."
    }
  ]
}