Get Me to the Gray

Important contextual note: This conversation was recorded before the escalation between Israel and Iran this weekend.
I’m releasing it as scheduled because the issues we discuss — peace, security, and human dignity — are especially relevant in moments like this. As a narrative consulting agency, we believe that if we only talk about these questions when things are calm, we miss the moments when they matter most. 

What does peace require in a place shaped by generations of conflict?
Paula speaks with peace studies scholar Raphael Cohen Almagor about the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, the conditions necessary for peace, and why negotiations have repeatedly failed.
The conversation explores security, human dignity, and the challenges of talking honestly about Israel and Palestine in a polarized world.
Learn more about Raphael and his upcoming book at almagor.blogspot.com.

What is Get Me to the Gray?

Get Me to the Gray, presented by COJA Services Inc., is a podcast about the conversations we’re told we shouldn’t have. Hosted by journalist and author Paula Lehman-Ewing, the show brings people with fundamentally different ways of seeing the world into honest dialogue—where we name what divides us and keep talking anyway.COJA Services Inc. works with mission-driven organizations and brands that are clear on their values but struggle to translate that clarity into public-facing language. We help teams align internal narratives, reduce confusion before it becomes mistrust, and translate complexity into public understanding without relying on scripts, rhetoric, or generic AI language that strips voice and judgment.

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