WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:03.680 You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a 2 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.440 couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun, in 3 00:00:06.559 --> 00:00:13.160 practical ways. Hey, everybody, if this is your very first 4 00:00:13.160 --> 00:00:17.039 time joining, you have stumbled onto a wonderful podcast. 5 00:00:17.120 --> 00:00:19.079 What an amazing experience for you. 6 00:00:19.199 --> 00:00:21.280 Yes, we are so excited for you. 7 00:00:21.480 --> 00:00:23.679 Yes, it's going to be incredible if this is your 8 00:00:23.679 --> 00:00:24.239 first time. 9 00:00:24.839 --> 00:00:25.960 Wow, fuck up. 10 00:00:28.440 --> 00:00:31.000 We have the Bible guys, and uh, we're gonna jump 11 00:00:31.039 --> 00:00:35.799 into Proverbs that we'll continuing on with. And by the way, 12 00:00:35.399 --> 00:00:37.359 we haven't mentioned this in a long time, but we 13 00:00:37.399 --> 00:00:41.079 are walking through the highlights or the milestones of the 14 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:45.000 Old Testament. That's correct, right, And and Proverbs is such 15 00:00:45.840 --> 00:00:49.600 you know, it is such a unique book of the 16 00:00:49.640 --> 00:00:53.479 Bible because it's not story driven, right, it's not. It's 17 00:00:53.520 --> 00:00:56.920 not like event driven or even you know, it's just 18 00:00:56.960 --> 00:00:57.799 a bunch of wisdom. 19 00:00:57.840 --> 00:01:00.000 It's a wise saying. That's what I like to call them, 20 00:01:00.359 --> 00:01:01.039 why saying. 21 00:01:01.240 --> 00:01:06.040 Yes, yes, So anyway, before we jump into that, we have. 22 00:01:06.400 --> 00:01:09.000 Like they're like ancient poster themes. 23 00:01:08.959 --> 00:01:12.439 Yes right, right, yes, yes, I agree, And they would 24 00:01:12.480 --> 00:01:14.599 chisel them in rock and then hang them on the 25 00:01:14.640 --> 00:01:19.599 walls maybe just like our posters. This is a segment 26 00:01:19.920 --> 00:01:23.680 that Desiree has put together called stump the pastor. 27 00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:26.680 Don't don't don't, don't don dom And this is from 28 00:01:26.879 --> 00:01:27.760 Alisha L. 29 00:01:29.640 --> 00:01:30.519 Hi, Alicia L. 30 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:31.159 There you go. 31 00:01:31.840 --> 00:01:35.319 Okay, so nice whenever whenever people write notes to us, Yes, 32 00:01:35.400 --> 00:01:39.719 we were so Alicia. Sincerely, Alicia, thank you for trusting 33 00:01:39.799 --> 00:01:40.439 us with this question. 34 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:42.079 We actually really mean that, sincerely. 35 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:44.359 If you have any questions at all, you can email 36 00:01:44.480 --> 00:01:48.400 us at info at the Bible guys dot com and 37 00:01:48.680 --> 00:01:51.680 uh or you know, just respond on YouTube or you know, 38 00:01:51.719 --> 00:01:54.640 throw it in the comments somewhere and we will be 39 00:01:54.680 --> 00:01:57.959 glad to consider your question. So here's Alicia L's question. 40 00:01:58.799 --> 00:02:03.560 Can someone who has never been baptized still go to heaven? 41 00:02:04.239 --> 00:02:04.480 Oh? 42 00:02:04.680 --> 00:02:07.400 Good question. And by the way, this is a very 43 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:08.240 common question. 44 00:02:08.960 --> 00:02:11.039 And wouldn't you say that this is one of the 45 00:02:11.080 --> 00:02:16.560 more debated questions among the different religions. 46 00:02:16.680 --> 00:02:20.319 Yeah, there's several denominations that would say, no, you can't 47 00:02:20.319 --> 00:02:22.800 go to heaven without being baptist, right, because that is 48 00:02:22.840 --> 00:02:24.360 what saves you, right. Yeah. 49 00:02:24.840 --> 00:02:28.319 Yeah, So and by the way, where would that belief 50 00:02:28.439 --> 00:02:31.599 come in? Well, I mean I know where I grew up, right, 51 00:02:31.639 --> 00:02:36.439 so I grew up in a denomination where they baptize infants, right, 52 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:40.439 a very very traditional and. 53 00:02:40.360 --> 00:02:43.319 This is where it comes from, okay, right, right right, yeah, yeah, 54 00:02:43.319 --> 00:02:48.120 from Catholicism. Ancient Catholicism is what has driven the idea 55 00:02:48.159 --> 00:02:50.080 of baptism is required for salvation. 56 00:02:50.280 --> 00:02:50.479 Yeah. 57 00:02:50.479 --> 00:02:53.400 And so so if you if you wonder where that 58 00:02:53.479 --> 00:02:56.360 came from, you really sort of have to back up, 59 00:02:56.439 --> 00:02:59.520 and you you really have to zoom out to thirty 60 00:02:59.560 --> 00:03:02.240 thousand foot view. And it really comes down to who 61 00:03:02.280 --> 00:03:05.319 do you believe carries the authority. So when I grew up, 62 00:03:05.360 --> 00:03:07.919 we were sort of non practicing Catholics, and and and 63 00:03:08.240 --> 00:03:10.039 I and I would pop in and out of these 64 00:03:10.120 --> 00:03:13.240 you know, CCD classes and and uh, you know these 65 00:03:13.319 --> 00:03:16.879 different things that at my Catholic church, and and and 66 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:18.879 we would you know, show up every once in a while, 67 00:03:18.960 --> 00:03:22.479 you know, to to to the church. But what I 68 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:25.479 learned is is that uh, and if you google this 69 00:03:25.599 --> 00:03:27.000 you can find out find this out. 70 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:28.560 Many Catholics actually don't even know this. 71 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:33.360 But the Catholic Church decrees that if the Pope uh 72 00:03:33.719 --> 00:03:37.960 declares something is true, the actual verbiage is something like this. 73 00:03:38.639 --> 00:03:42.080 It is the same as if God himself speaks. 74 00:03:42.400 --> 00:03:45.919 The phrase is if he speaks ex cathedral. Well, so 75 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:49.319 when the when the pope speaks about, hey, good mornings, 76 00:03:50.120 --> 00:03:53.039 sonny outside, that's not from God, that's just his opinion. 77 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:56.479 But when he announces I'm speaking ex cathedral, which is rare, 78 00:03:56.879 --> 00:03:59.080 But when he speaks ex cathedra, that means this is 79 00:03:59.159 --> 00:04:01.159 the doctrine of the Church and is from God. 80 00:04:01.599 --> 00:04:05.960 Okay, and so the ex cathedra is what he would 81 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:08.080 say is equivalent or equal to. 82 00:04:08.199 --> 00:04:09.199 Just the same as the Bible. 83 00:04:09.520 --> 00:04:13.039 That right, And it's because that's by the way, that 84 00:04:13.039 --> 00:04:16.879 stems from the belief of they would say Peter was 85 00:04:16.920 --> 00:04:19.360 the first pope. You know, the keys of the Kingdom 86 00:04:19.360 --> 00:04:21.759 of Heaven was given to nobody except for Peter. And 87 00:04:21.800 --> 00:04:25.399 then there's been, you know, a lineage of popes, and 88 00:04:25.439 --> 00:04:28.279 so our pope is connected to you know, he's the X, 89 00:04:28.319 --> 00:04:30.639 you know, whatever number in line he is something like that, 90 00:04:30.800 --> 00:04:33.199 and that's that's where that theory comes from. So so 91 00:04:33.279 --> 00:04:35.600 therefore we bet we zoom out, and we asked this question. 92 00:04:36.160 --> 00:04:39.480 It depends on who you believe has the authority. If 93 00:04:39.560 --> 00:04:42.639 you believe the Church has the authority, then you know 94 00:04:42.720 --> 00:04:45.199 that's a that's a more difficult question. If you believe 95 00:04:45.480 --> 00:04:48.680 the Bible has the authority, then then you know, you 96 00:04:48.759 --> 00:04:51.560 can take the Bible. And we always say the Bible 97 00:04:51.639 --> 00:04:55.399 is its own best commentary, right, take every single verse 98 00:04:55.439 --> 00:04:58.360 that we know about baptism. And so if if mankind 99 00:04:58.399 --> 00:05:01.720 comes along, instance, somebody like the pope and says, hey, 100 00:05:01.720 --> 00:05:03.920 we heard from God and this is what it is. 101 00:05:04.279 --> 00:05:07.720 So there's a difference between the uh, you know, the 102 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:11.759 modern church and the postmodern church, right and and and 103 00:05:11.839 --> 00:05:14.920 so the modern church would say, hey, we have to 104 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:16.720 we have to know everything there is to know. 105 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:19.720 There's no mystery of God. We have to figure out 106 00:05:19.720 --> 00:05:20.240 all things. 107 00:05:20.480 --> 00:05:22.480 And they had they had to answer this question, which 108 00:05:22.519 --> 00:05:25.759 is do babies go to heaven? And that's where this 109 00:05:25.839 --> 00:05:28.480 doctrine came from. And they were trying to answer the 110 00:05:28.560 --> 00:05:31.800 question what happens if it infant dies? And I think this, 111 00:05:32.439 --> 00:05:35.040 I think this was I think this didn't come into 112 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:38.519 like I mean, it was hundreds and hundreds of years. 113 00:05:38.360 --> 00:05:38.759 And it was a. 114 00:05:40.319 --> 00:05:45.920 Constantine for Constantine sid like three hundred three twelve. I think. 115 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:49.959 Okay, yeah, so hundreds of years later, after Christianity began, 116 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:52.240 after Christianity began, they came up with this theory. 117 00:05:52.680 --> 00:05:54.720 Yeah, so that wouldn't be the modern church by the way. 118 00:05:55.079 --> 00:05:57.959 Oh yeah, that's right. I actually thought it was like 119 00:05:58.160 --> 00:05:59.319 sixteen hundred years later. 120 00:05:59.360 --> 00:06:05.199 Oh yeah, yeah, no, it was. So Constantine was getting ready. 121 00:06:05.360 --> 00:06:07.879 It was right before Constantine became emperor. He was getting 122 00:06:07.920 --> 00:06:10.480 ready to go up in a war. He had about 123 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:14.040 twenty five thousand soldiers. He's going up against his arch 124 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:17.079 rival as they were competing to take over Rome and 125 00:06:17.360 --> 00:06:20.680 the Roman Empire. And he was going up against an 126 00:06:20.759 --> 00:06:23.240 army that was more than twice his size. And he 127 00:06:23.319 --> 00:06:26.519 had a dream that he heard Jesus speak. It was 128 00:06:26.519 --> 00:06:28.759 the night before the war, the battle. He had a 129 00:06:28.839 --> 00:06:32.079 dream and he saw in the sky a flaming sword 130 00:06:32.920 --> 00:06:39.639 and a cross, and he heard in his dream Jesus say, 131 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:42.639 with these symbols, go and conquer. So up to that point, 132 00:06:42.759 --> 00:06:45.800 Christianity was illegal in the Roman Empire to the point 133 00:06:45.800 --> 00:06:50.399 of death. And then he announces, Jesus told me that 134 00:06:50.439 --> 00:06:52.199 if we go with the cross and the sword, we're 135 00:06:52.199 --> 00:06:54.720 going to win. We're all Christians now, And so he 136 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:57.800 had the entire army baptized. Yeah, because he didn't know 137 00:06:57.839 --> 00:07:01.040 how he became a Christian, right, he had no idea 138 00:07:01.160 --> 00:07:03.399 alls he knew was that we were executing people because 139 00:07:03.399 --> 00:07:07.519 they got baptized. And so now everybody gets baptized, all 140 00:07:07.560 --> 00:07:09.040 in the same day. And then they went out and 141 00:07:09.079 --> 00:07:12.439 they won. They won the war. That's how he became emperor. Yeah, 142 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:14.279 and so then he gets back to Rome and he goes, 143 00:07:14.360 --> 00:07:17.399 guess what, we're all Christians now, and they started baptizing, 144 00:07:17.720 --> 00:07:21.720 but that baptism for infants. Then they began to because 145 00:07:21.720 --> 00:07:25.439 they didn't have a solid doctrinal understanding. They began to say, well, 146 00:07:25.439 --> 00:07:27.279 if you get if you go to heaven because of 147 00:07:27.319 --> 00:07:31.040 being baptized, which isn't true, then we better baptize our 148 00:07:31.079 --> 00:07:34.120 babies because we need to. And of course at that 149 00:07:34.199 --> 00:07:36.319 point you can't dunk a baby. And so they took 150 00:07:36.360 --> 00:07:40.959 the Jewish tradition of sprinkling of anointing with oil and 151 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:44.360 they use that as their process. So that's how it happened. So, yeah, 152 00:07:44.360 --> 00:07:45.519 it was in the three hundreds. 153 00:07:45.680 --> 00:07:47.319 Okay, well, first of all, I didn't know that's when 154 00:07:47.319 --> 00:07:48.600 baptism was connected to it. 155 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:49.680 I did know that story. 156 00:07:49.839 --> 00:07:51.560 In fact, do you know the part of the story 157 00:07:51.560 --> 00:07:53.759 where the Roman soldiers get baptized without. 158 00:07:53.519 --> 00:07:55.920 The right arm? Do you know that? Yeah? 159 00:07:55.959 --> 00:07:58.680 So The rest of that story is he had baptized 160 00:07:58.720 --> 00:08:02.199 the entire Roman army at the time, but had them. 161 00:08:02.199 --> 00:08:03.240 Oh oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 162 00:08:03.279 --> 00:08:05.360 He had them hold their right arm above the. 163 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:07.720 Water because that's the fighting army. He didn't want that 164 00:08:07.759 --> 00:08:10.279 sanctified where they'd feel guilty about Yeah yeah fighting. 165 00:08:10.319 --> 00:08:15.399 Baptized the entire army except for the right arms, which 166 00:08:15.439 --> 00:08:16.040 is crazy. 167 00:08:16.079 --> 00:08:17.439 So yeah, but I did not know. 168 00:08:17.519 --> 00:08:22.680 So that's the time when the church shifted was because 169 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:25.480 at that point then Christianity became legal and he began 170 00:08:25.519 --> 00:08:29.079 appointing his own bishops and stuff. Right, So then it 171 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:31.600 just kind of it faded after that, that's when it 172 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:34.279 began to be embraced as that's the mainstream is baptism 173 00:08:34.360 --> 00:08:37.279 is essential. But let's go back to her question. Alicia 174 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:40.120 asked about is it possible to go to heaven without 175 00:08:40.159 --> 00:08:43.279 being baptized. The answer is emphatically yes. 176 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:44.000 Correct. 177 00:08:44.360 --> 00:08:47.879 The way we know that that's true is in Luke 178 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:53.799 chapter twenty three, Jesus is on the cross and there's 179 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:57.639 a criminal on either side of Jesus, and the one 180 00:08:57.679 --> 00:09:01.639 criminal mocks Jesus, but the other criminal says this, if 181 00:09:01.639 --> 00:09:03.600 it's possible, would you take me to paradise with you, 182 00:09:04.039 --> 00:09:06.639 and Jesus said today you'll be with me in paradise. 183 00:09:07.919 --> 00:09:09.960 So there's no record of them both hopping off the 184 00:09:10.000 --> 00:09:13.720 cross and Jesus baptizing this guy. He didn't do it. It 185 00:09:13.679 --> 00:09:16.240 was a belief component. Right, there's this thing, and this 186 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:18.279 is consistent as you read through the Book of Romans. 187 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:21.759 The Book of Romans is the strongest I believe doctrinal 188 00:09:21.759 --> 00:09:25.960 book in the Bible, and maybe Romans and Hebrews, right, 189 00:09:25.960 --> 00:09:28.720 but in Romans it's very very clear. Like in Romans 190 00:09:28.759 --> 00:09:32.720 chapter ten, it mentions you have to believe in your 191 00:09:32.759 --> 00:09:36.440 heart and confess with your mouth. So you confess your sins, 192 00:09:36.480 --> 00:09:40.039 you confess that Jesus's Lord says there he's the King. 193 00:09:40.600 --> 00:09:42.519 And then you believe in your heart that God raising 194 00:09:42.639 --> 00:09:44.679 from and you will be safe. 195 00:09:44.480 --> 00:09:46.559 And whoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall 196 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:47.000 be saved. 197 00:09:47.200 --> 00:09:50.240 That's right. And it doesn't say plus all these other things. 198 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:54.360 So there are passages where sometimes it gets a little confusing. 199 00:09:54.559 --> 00:09:58.080 The Book of Mark, for instance, the Book of Acts 200 00:09:58.399 --> 00:10:00.799 when they say what do we need to do in 201 00:10:00.960 --> 00:10:04.080 Acts chapter one or two, and Peter says, you need 202 00:10:04.120 --> 00:10:06.480 to repent of your sins and be baptized. 203 00:10:06.480 --> 00:10:09.919 Right, and he wasn't and he wasn't right, because you 204 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:12.480 could read that as both are required. 205 00:10:12.120 --> 00:10:15.480 Right, right. Baptism comes after repentance always, right, right. Baptism 206 00:10:15.519 --> 00:10:21.120 comes after salvation always, every single time they declare I 207 00:10:21.200 --> 00:10:24.120 do I have trusted Christ, I am trusting Christ, then 208 00:10:24.159 --> 00:10:26.519 they get baptized. So baptism is the outward symbol of 209 00:10:26.559 --> 00:10:27.600 that internal right. 210 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:31.000 And by the way, that's that's another thing too. So 211 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:33.480 I mean, so what I was trying to originally get 212 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:36.039 at is the belief of. 213 00:10:36.240 --> 00:10:37.440 A child being baptized. 214 00:10:37.480 --> 00:10:39.559 But by the way, I'm saying this because I was 215 00:10:39.600 --> 00:10:42.120 baptized as an infant, right were you? 216 00:10:42.120 --> 00:10:43.279 You weren't, Yeah, you weren't. 217 00:10:44.080 --> 00:10:46.639 I was. I was born to a committed family of pagans. 218 00:10:47.039 --> 00:10:49.120 That's right, that's right, that's right. 219 00:10:49.519 --> 00:10:52.000 So, yeah, you're dad didn't get saved till he's what 220 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:56.240 forty Yeah, yeah, something like that. So anyway, my so, 221 00:10:56.320 --> 00:10:59.200 my family had had them all baptized, and in most 222 00:10:59.279 --> 00:11:01.200 most people that I know, that one you know, hey, 223 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:02.559 will you baptize my infant? 224 00:11:02.919 --> 00:11:03.399 My baby? 225 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:06.080 You know, my grandchild was born. I told my daughter, 226 00:11:06.120 --> 00:11:08.240 we have to hurry up and get this child baptized. Well, 227 00:11:08.440 --> 00:11:10.639 they don't even really understand like what that really means. 228 00:11:10.960 --> 00:11:13.320 So the doctrine of the church and this is this 229 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:17.000 is maybe where I'm getting confused. I think maybe this 230 00:11:17.080 --> 00:11:20.720 came later, right, because because there was an explanation of 231 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:24.519 how there is an actual they the Catholic Church would 232 00:11:24.559 --> 00:11:28.320 decree that there's an original there's a removal of the 233 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:31.600 original sin of Adam during baptism. Maybe that was qualified later. 234 00:11:31.639 --> 00:11:34.159 Maybe that's why I'm getting confused. But anyway, or maybe not, 235 00:11:34.519 --> 00:11:36.799 but anyway, the uh, but that's what they would say, 236 00:11:36.799 --> 00:11:41.679 it happens. But most people who are my friends, they're like, what, like, 237 00:11:41.919 --> 00:11:42.720 they don't know that. 238 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:45.879 All they know is I have a baby. It's emotional. 239 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:47.679 Let me hurry up and get a baptized because I 240 00:11:47.720 --> 00:11:49.639 want to make sure they're okay that they go to heaven. 241 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:54.559 But the Bible says every verse about salvation, every single 242 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:58.840 instance about baptism, every single one takes place after a person, 243 00:12:00.039 --> 00:12:02.200 it's their faith and trust in Jesus Christ. There is 244 00:12:02.240 --> 00:12:05.159 not a single incident in the Bible where somebody gets 245 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:10.039 baptized before that happens, right, or an instruction. It's not 246 00:12:10.080 --> 00:12:11.960 even it's not even it's not even that we're looking 247 00:12:11.960 --> 00:12:15.000 for examples. We're talking about even instruction and so and so. 248 00:12:15.759 --> 00:12:19.240 It is pretty clear that baptism is meant after a 249 00:12:19.279 --> 00:12:21.080 person trusts Christ. 250 00:12:21.200 --> 00:12:22.960 And so therefore we believe. 251 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:26.799 That if if an infant dies, you know, let's just 252 00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:28.799 say an infant, you know, is eight months old or 253 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:31.720 something and has this tragic thing happen or something like that, 254 00:12:32.720 --> 00:12:34.960 we would come up with the doctrine of there's an 255 00:12:34.960 --> 00:12:39.720 agent of accountability, right, yes, where if the child is 256 00:12:39.759 --> 00:12:43.440 not old enough to reject Christ, then then then that 257 00:12:43.559 --> 00:12:46.360 child has not rejected Christ and therefore would be protected 258 00:12:46.799 --> 00:12:48.039 and under the care. 259 00:12:47.879 --> 00:12:49.639 And love of God. It is. 260 00:12:49.720 --> 00:12:53.080 It is, there's an accountability age where a person has 261 00:12:53.559 --> 00:12:56.480 a chance to either reject the truth of Christ or 262 00:12:56.879 --> 00:12:59.720 not pursue the truth of Christ or you know, or 263 00:12:59.720 --> 00:13:01.480 those types of things. They have to be old enough 264 00:13:01.679 --> 00:13:03.000 to wrestle with that decision. 265 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:07.720 So there you go. Thank you. I've said all that 266 00:13:07.759 --> 00:13:08.360 I need to say. 267 00:13:08.399 --> 00:13:11.720 Thank you. And that's that's the longest response we've given 268 00:13:11.720 --> 00:13:12.559 to anybody so far. 269 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:15.399 Oh wow, we're at thirteen minutes. Yeah, by the way, 270 00:13:15.399 --> 00:13:19.200 that's not true. We have actually gone longer. We've gone 271 00:13:19.320 --> 00:13:19.759 just as long. 272 00:13:19.879 --> 00:13:21.799 Okay, yeah, because doesn't say do we need to extend 273 00:13:21.799 --> 00:13:24.519 it out so that she gets the longest sale time record? 274 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:29.559 Yeah, so there you go, l thank you, thank you 275 00:13:29.600 --> 00:13:30.080 for asking. 276 00:13:30.159 --> 00:13:33.840 That's fantastic. Yes, there's so much more to say about that, 277 00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:35.679 but we should stop there. 278 00:13:35.799 --> 00:13:36.039 Yep. 279 00:13:36.559 --> 00:13:43.159 Okay, So we continue in Proverbs chapter twenty four, and 280 00:13:43.480 --> 00:13:46.279 I have no transition on this one. I looked off 281 00:13:46.279 --> 00:13:50.279 through this one I could. Yeah. Yeah, So twenty four 282 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:53.399 verse one is where we're at, and uh, we're going 283 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:55.279 to read through this whole passage is kind of long, 284 00:13:55.519 --> 00:13:57.039 so we're just going to jump on it here. 285 00:13:57.200 --> 00:13:57.679 Okay. 286 00:13:57.879 --> 00:14:02.399 It says don't envy people. By the way that. 287 00:14:01.840 --> 00:14:05.840 That question that Alicia asked us, it felt like there 288 00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:08.519 was a lot of pressure to it, but vers uver 289 00:14:08.559 --> 00:14:11.480 ten and proverb says if you fail under pressure, your 290 00:14:11.480 --> 00:14:12.519 strength is too small. 291 00:14:12.679 --> 00:14:16.759 Oh there we didn't yeah, and so standing strong yeah 292 00:14:16.879 --> 00:14:19.519 in their Yeah, good job, Chris. Let me try this again. 293 00:14:20.279 --> 00:14:23.799 First one, Readers don't envy evil people or desire their 294 00:14:23.799 --> 00:14:26.919 company for their hearts plot violence and their words always 295 00:14:26.960 --> 00:14:29.799 stir up trouble. A house is built by wisdom and 296 00:14:29.799 --> 00:14:33.200 becomes strong through good sense, through knowledge. Its rooms are 297 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:36.240 filled with all sorts of precious riches and valuables. The 298 00:14:36.320 --> 00:14:38.720 wise are mightier than the strong, and those with knowledge 299 00:14:38.759 --> 00:14:41.720 grow stronger and stronger. So don't go to war without 300 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:46.480 wise guidance. Victory depends on having many advisors. Wisdom is 301 00:14:46.519 --> 00:14:48.840 too lofty for fools. Among leaders at the city gate, 302 00:14:48.840 --> 00:14:51.679 they have nothing to say. A person who plans evil 303 00:14:51.679 --> 00:14:54.480 will get a reputation as a troublemaker. The schemes of 304 00:14:54.480 --> 00:14:57.679 a fool are sinful. Everyone to test a mocker. If 305 00:14:57.679 --> 00:15:01.360 you fail under pressure, your strength is too small. Rescue 306 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:04.559 those who are unjustly sentenced to die. Save them as 307 00:15:04.559 --> 00:15:07.799 they stagger to their death. Don't excuse yourself by saying, look, 308 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:10.080 we didn't know. For God understands all hearts, and he 309 00:15:10.159 --> 00:15:13.559 sees you. He who guards your soul knows you well 310 00:15:14.360 --> 00:15:17.279 er knows you knew. Oh, there you go. He will 311 00:15:17.320 --> 00:15:21.600 repay all people as their actions deserve. My child, eat honey, 312 00:15:21.600 --> 00:15:23.240 for it is good, and the honeycomb is sweet to 313 00:15:23.279 --> 00:15:25.559 the taste, And the same way wisdom is sweet to 314 00:15:25.600 --> 00:15:28.159 your soul. If you find it, you'll have a bright 315 00:15:28.200 --> 00:15:30.879 future and your hopes will not be cut short. Don't 316 00:15:30.879 --> 00:15:33.200 wait in ambush at the home of the godly, and 317 00:15:33.279 --> 00:15:36.159 don't raid the house where the godly live. The godly 318 00:15:36.240 --> 00:15:38.279 may trips seven times, but they will get up again. 319 00:15:38.840 --> 00:15:42.360 But one disaster is enough to overthrow the wicked. Don't 320 00:15:42.360 --> 00:15:46.039 rejoice when your enemies fall. Don't be happy when they stumble, 321 00:15:46.399 --> 00:15:48.720 for the Lord will be displeased with you, will turn 322 00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:52.080 his anger away from them. Don't fret because of evildoers. 323 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:55.519 Don't envy the wicked for people. For evil people have 324 00:15:55.600 --> 00:15:58.159 no future. The light of the wicked will be snuffed out. 325 00:15:58.879 --> 00:16:01.559 My child. Fear the Lord, Lord and the King. Don't 326 00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:04.600 associate with rebels, for a disaster will hit them suddenly. 327 00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:07.200 Who knows what punishment will come from the Lord and 328 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:11.279 the King. Here are some further sayings of the wise. 329 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:14.320 It is wrong to show favoritism when passing judgment. A 330 00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:16.559 judge who says to the wicked you are innocent will 331 00:16:16.600 --> 00:16:18.919 be cursed by many people and denounced by the nations. 332 00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:21.320 But it will go well for those who convict the guilty. 333 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:24.960 Rich blessings will be showered on them. An honest answer 334 00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:28.399 is like a kiss of friendship. Do your planning and 335 00:16:28.440 --> 00:16:32.360 prepare your fields before building your house don't testify against 336 00:16:32.360 --> 00:16:35.399 your neighbors without cause, don't lie about them, don't say, 337 00:16:35.759 --> 00:16:38.000 now I can pay them back for what they've done 338 00:16:38.039 --> 00:16:41.720 to me, I'll get even with them. I walked by 339 00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:43.960 the fields of a lazy person, the vineyard of one 340 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:46.559 with no common sense. I saw that it was overgrown 341 00:16:46.559 --> 00:16:48.799 with nettles, and it was covered with weeds, and its 342 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:50.720 walls were broken down. And then as I looked and 343 00:16:50.720 --> 00:16:53.559 thought about it, I learned this lesson. A little extra sleep, 344 00:16:53.840 --> 00:16:56.399 a little more slumber, a little folding of the hands 345 00:16:56.440 --> 00:16:58.799 to rest, and then poverty will pounce on you like 346 00:16:58.840 --> 00:17:02.159 a bandit. Scared city would attack you like an armed robber. 347 00:17:03.159 --> 00:17:06.160 Wow, scarcity will attack you like an armed robber. 348 00:17:06.519 --> 00:17:07.279 Yeah. 349 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:09.599 Again, very poetic, very very visual. 350 00:17:10.240 --> 00:17:13.279 And wow, a little sleep, a little slumber, a little 351 00:17:13.319 --> 00:17:14.559 folding of the hands to rest. 352 00:17:14.799 --> 00:17:18.720 Yeah. You know, Solomon really talks a lot about laziness, 353 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:19.119 doesn't he. 354 00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:19.880 Yeah. 355 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:22.400 There's a lot of verses in there that say, hey, 356 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:22.960 work hard. 357 00:17:23.279 --> 00:17:24.759 Yeah, And you. 358 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:27.359 Know, it just goes back to the fact that we 359 00:17:27.440 --> 00:17:29.799 have to realize we are made to work well. 360 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:31.680 The verse we read a verse was it yesterday or 361 00:17:31.680 --> 00:17:34.440 the day before? Where the guy goes, oh, there might 362 00:17:34.480 --> 00:17:37.079 be a lion in the street. You know, I better 363 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:39.559 stay home, right, Yeah, I'm not going to go to 364 00:17:39.599 --> 00:17:42.039 work today. There might be something bad out there. Right. 365 00:17:42.640 --> 00:17:45.279 There's all kinds of excuses not to work here. It's 366 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:47.599 I'm a little sleepy, I need to not work whatever. 367 00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:50.400 He has this belief. Solomon has this very strong belief 368 00:17:50.480 --> 00:17:52.079 hard work is going to pay off and you're going 369 00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:55.160 to have a house full of riches at some point. Yeah. 370 00:17:55.200 --> 00:17:57.880 And laziness is always going to cause everything to fall apart. 371 00:17:58.160 --> 00:17:58.519 Yeah. 372 00:17:58.599 --> 00:18:02.440 And then he says that a wise man, a godly man, 373 00:18:02.920 --> 00:18:05.960 is going to work hard and then if he's wise, 374 00:18:06.319 --> 00:18:09.599 his house will be full of wealth. He ties wealth 375 00:18:09.680 --> 00:18:15.279 and hard work with wisdom. And then he says this passage, 376 00:18:15.400 --> 00:18:19.680 I'm glad you what's up? Because he says, where's the 377 00:18:19.759 --> 00:18:22.359 verse that says that they'll fall seven times and they 378 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:25.519 get back up again? The righteous man falls seven times 379 00:18:25.519 --> 00:18:26.240 and gets back up. 380 00:18:29.200 --> 00:18:31.359 I know you read it. I know I read it, 381 00:18:31.880 --> 00:18:33.720 But you also read thirty four verses. 382 00:18:33.920 --> 00:18:34.880 Yes, it's in here. 383 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:36.559 Yeah. 384 00:18:36.599 --> 00:18:45.000 Anyways, I always read that because wealth takes risk, right, right, 385 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:47.200 and so a lot of us we don't build the 386 00:18:47.319 --> 00:18:50.119 kind of wealth we could build because we're afraid to 387 00:18:50.599 --> 00:18:52.519 make the kind of investment it takes to get there. 388 00:18:53.920 --> 00:18:56.920 But it's interesting. A wise person will have the ability 389 00:18:56.960 --> 00:18:59.559 to try and try and try and try, and even 390 00:18:59.559 --> 00:19:01.000 if they fail a few times, they're going to get 391 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:04.759 back up and keep going. A foolish person, oftentimes, he says, 392 00:19:04.759 --> 00:19:06.960 there's crooked people and they get out and take advantage 393 00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:09.440 of others and that's how they get wealthy, or foolish 394 00:19:09.440 --> 00:19:12.519 people and lazy people just won't even take the steps 395 00:19:12.559 --> 00:19:17.000 necessary to build wealth. Right, and so there is this 396 00:19:17.119 --> 00:19:21.279 wisdom will carry you through and help you beyond. 397 00:19:21.680 --> 00:19:25.400 Just it's verse sixteen sixteen. I just know. 398 00:19:26.359 --> 00:19:28.720 The godly may trip seven times, but they'll get up again. 399 00:19:29.720 --> 00:19:32.640 And so there is this idea that if you're godly 400 00:19:33.039 --> 00:19:37.359 and you're wise. Sure, now he's not guaranteeing that life 401 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:39.279