1 00:00:01,380 --> 00:00:04,520 Welcome to Digication Scholars Conversations. 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:06,600 I'm your host, Kelly Driscoll. 3 00:00:06,820 --> 00:00:11,909 In this episode, you'll hear part one of my conversation with Tina Abate, 4 00:00:12,090 --> 00:00:16,059 Clinical Assistant Professor and Coordinator of the Nursing Student 5 00:00:16,070 --> 00:00:20,524 Internship Program in Stony Brook University's School of Nursing. 6 00:00:21,225 --> 00:00:26,095 More links and information about today's conversation can be found on Digication's 7 00:00:26,205 --> 00:00:28,595 Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram. 8 00:00:29,125 --> 00:00:33,025 Full episodes of Digication Scholars Conversations can be found on 9 00:00:33,035 --> 00:00:35,945 YouTube or your favorite podcast app. 10 00:00:37,730 --> 00:00:40,680 Welcome to Digication Scholars Conversations. 11 00:00:40,710 --> 00:00:46,210 I'm your host, Kelly Driscoll, and today I am so pleased to welcome Tina Abbate. 12 00:00:46,430 --> 00:00:51,129 Tina is a clinical assistant professor and coordinator of the Nursing 13 00:00:51,129 --> 00:00:56,449 Student Internship Program in Stony Brook University's School of Nursing. 14 00:00:56,569 --> 00:00:57,539 Welcome, Tina. 15 00:00:57,860 --> 00:00:59,180 Thank you for having me. 16 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:00,900 Absolutely. 17 00:01:01,230 --> 00:01:06,620 So, Tina, I would love to start our conversation today just learning 18 00:01:06,660 --> 00:01:11,370 a little bit about what brought you to Stony Brook University. 19 00:01:11,410 --> 00:01:17,149 It's such a beautiful, unique area and institution, so I 20 00:01:17,150 --> 00:01:19,460 would love for our listeners to learn a little bit about that. 21 00:01:19,890 --> 00:01:20,510 Sure thing. 22 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:25,270 So, I was born and raised, um, on Long Island, and I started 23 00:01:25,270 --> 00:01:28,980 my nursing career at Stony Brook University Hospital in Nicolls. 24 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:35,130 Um, then around 2006, I, uh, decided to go back to school, to graduate school. 25 00:01:35,670 --> 00:01:39,879 So, I was, uh, lucky enough to be awarded a fellowship program 26 00:01:39,879 --> 00:01:41,320 at Binghamton University. 27 00:01:41,915 --> 00:01:43,085 So, Um... 28 00:01:43,515 --> 00:01:53,114 I lived there from 2006 to 2015, so I graduated with my doctorate in 2015 29 00:01:53,125 --> 00:01:54,795 and it was time to head back home. 30 00:01:55,415 --> 00:02:01,974 So um, a position opened at Stony Brook University School of Nursing and I was 31 00:02:02,005 --> 00:02:07,765 very honored to accept it and I've been there for eight years now and I love it 32 00:02:07,795 --> 00:02:10,125 and I just see myself retiring from there. 33 00:02:10,125 --> 00:02:11,845 It's just Just an amazing place to work. 34 00:02:12,545 --> 00:02:12,955 Yeah. 35 00:02:13,165 --> 00:02:13,515 Yeah. 36 00:02:13,545 --> 00:02:15,415 It's a really special school. 37 00:02:15,435 --> 00:02:21,915 I, I had the opportunity to visit the campus a few times and Oh my gosh, I still 38 00:02:21,915 --> 00:02:27,425 remember this adorable little bed and breakfast that was close to an area where 39 00:02:27,425 --> 00:02:31,715 you could walk by the water, although I'm sure there's a lot of areas where you can 40 00:02:31,715 --> 00:02:35,377 walk by the water, but it was so gorgeous. 41 00:02:35,377 --> 00:02:41,525 There are all these waterfall and I got to enjoy the sunset there, so I 42 00:02:41,894 --> 00:02:47,594 have happy memories of my time visiting this school and I don't know if you 43 00:02:47,605 --> 00:02:54,634 know this, but Digication's actually been, uh, working with SBU since 2007. 44 00:02:54,915 --> 00:03:00,584 So, it's been a very long history, and, uh, you're our first guest from 45 00:03:00,584 --> 00:03:05,594 Stony Brook University, so I'm very excited to, to have you on the podcast. 46 00:03:06,325 --> 00:03:13,265 And, um, I was interested, you know, can you recall when your passion 47 00:03:13,285 --> 00:03:17,934 for healthcare started to emerge? 48 00:03:18,065 --> 00:03:22,334 Was there someone in your life or, um, maybe an experience that you 49 00:03:22,334 --> 00:03:25,075 had that was an inspiration to you? 50 00:03:25,654 --> 00:03:26,024 Yeah. 51 00:03:26,085 --> 00:03:28,005 In high school, actually. 52 00:03:28,265 --> 00:03:28,484 Okay. 53 00:03:28,744 --> 00:03:33,555 I, I knew, I knew, I knew I wanted to do something where I was helping people. 54 00:03:33,555 --> 00:03:35,415 I just wasn't sure where I was going to land. 55 00:03:35,890 --> 00:03:41,600 Um, in that regard, but, um, I had originally wanted to be a 56 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:46,030 pediatrician, so our high school had a program where you could shadow a 57 00:03:46,030 --> 00:03:52,740 doctor for the day, and, um, I spent the bulk of that day with a nurse. 58 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,630 And I said, wait a minute, um, this is what I want. 59 00:03:56,749 --> 00:04:02,129 I want that, uh, interaction with patients, um, like nurses do. 60 00:04:02,589 --> 00:04:09,989 And so I pursued my bachelor's degree from Binghamton, um, in Nursing, and it really 61 00:04:09,989 --> 00:04:15,940 is a phenomenal career, a profession to be in because we have so many different 62 00:04:15,950 --> 00:04:23,250 options, um, you don't even have to be at the bedside or working with patients. 63 00:04:23,250 --> 00:04:27,729 There are so many roles, um, that you can have within the nursing profession. 64 00:04:27,729 --> 00:04:29,039 It's just that dynamic. 65 00:04:29,039 --> 00:04:33,505 So, you know, I feel very lucky that, um, I had that experience because it 66 00:04:33,505 --> 00:04:36,155 really guided me to my present day. 67 00:04:36,965 --> 00:04:37,484 Yeah. 68 00:04:37,604 --> 00:04:38,015 Yeah. 69 00:04:38,055 --> 00:04:42,495 And so tell us a little bit about your time in the Nicoll as well. 70 00:04:42,514 --> 00:04:48,315 I'm sure that that was very special and what was it that kind of made you shift 71 00:04:48,315 --> 00:04:51,344 and get more involved in, in teaching? 72 00:04:52,755 --> 00:04:56,185 So, um, my goal was never really to teach. 73 00:04:56,225 --> 00:05:01,195 When I pursued my doctorate, I, I got into the BS to PhD program 74 00:05:01,745 --> 00:05:08,435 and, um, my, my research was very, uh, neonatal ICU, um, focused. 75 00:05:08,644 --> 00:05:13,795 I did my dissertation on, on gastroschisis, um, so I was 76 00:05:13,795 --> 00:05:18,565 heading down more of a, a clinical research type of background. 77 00:05:19,085 --> 00:05:26,195 Um, but then, uh, in 2007, I was asked, uh, to teach a clinical group to bring 78 00:05:26,195 --> 00:05:31,645 a group of students to the Nicolls and, um, you know, being a graduate 79 00:05:31,645 --> 00:05:36,094 student, it was financially difficult at the time and they were offering me 80 00:05:36,094 --> 00:05:38,375 wages and I said, okay, absolutely. 81 00:05:38,854 --> 00:05:44,700 So I brought students to the Nicoll and, um, just something came over me. 82 00:05:44,700 --> 00:05:47,650 It was just as if I had met my professional soulmate. 83 00:05:48,050 --> 00:05:52,139 Like, it was like that deep, like, I said, What's happening here? 84 00:05:52,140 --> 00:05:56,430 Like, I, it It was a complete departure from what my goals 85 00:05:56,430 --> 00:06:00,140 were because I was also thinking hospital administration and things. 86 00:06:00,619 --> 00:06:03,860 So I continued to ask for teaching assignments. 87 00:06:04,554 --> 00:06:10,624 And I just, uh, I fell in head over heels and it's really just, it's become 88 00:06:10,624 --> 00:06:13,894 part of my core being at this point. 89 00:06:14,004 --> 00:06:16,264 So and I've been teaching now for 16 years. 90 00:06:17,275 --> 00:06:18,115 Wow. 91 00:06:18,325 --> 00:06:18,495 Yeah. 92 00:06:18,534 --> 00:06:19,065 Wow. 93 00:06:19,545 --> 00:06:24,374 So we have, um, uh, an interesting connection, uh, 94 00:06:24,375 --> 00:06:25,884 that I wasn't expecting today. 95 00:06:25,884 --> 00:06:31,014 One of the children that I adopted was actually born with gastroschisis. 96 00:06:31,669 --> 00:06:34,109 And I'm not even probably pronouncing it correctly. 97 00:06:34,109 --> 00:06:34,710 It's a big work. 98 00:06:34,710 --> 00:06:35,409 Wow. 99 00:06:35,430 --> 00:06:35,900 Yeah. 100 00:06:35,950 --> 00:06:41,809 But, um, he was in the Nicoll, um, for almost two months. 101 00:06:42,409 --> 00:06:49,080 Um, I did not, I hadn't met him yet at the time, but learning about 102 00:06:49,109 --> 00:06:57,530 that, it's just incredible what modern medicine can handle, really. 103 00:06:58,220 --> 00:07:00,519 And what babies can handle too because Right. 104 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:01,900 They, they, they are my goalies. 105 00:07:02,650 --> 00:07:03,550 Resilient. 106 00:07:04,260 --> 00:07:04,560 Yeah. 107 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:05,700 beings ever. 108 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:11,909 And yeah, I just have the most love and respect for babies, uh, 109 00:07:11,909 --> 00:07:13,380 that will always be part of me. 110 00:07:13,890 --> 00:07:18,750 Um, so that's incredible what they endure, but still persevere. 111 00:07:19,140 --> 00:07:19,560 Yeah. 112 00:07:19,650 --> 00:07:20,070 Yeah. 113 00:07:20,130 --> 00:07:25,240 I mean, they are, I mean, they arise here, made to. 114 00:07:26,114 --> 00:07:27,284 Survive, really. 115 00:07:27,525 --> 00:07:29,575 I mean, it is definitely just built in. 116 00:07:29,604 --> 00:07:34,414 They require a lot of care and attention, but they are still, 117 00:07:34,444 --> 00:07:37,504 yeah, lighty, lighty little being. 118 00:07:37,794 --> 00:07:38,445 It's more about light. 119 00:07:38,445 --> 00:07:39,365 I hope he's okay. 120 00:07:39,885 --> 00:07:41,445 Yes, he's wonderful. 121 00:07:41,455 --> 00:07:42,295 I'm glad. 122 00:07:42,615 --> 00:07:43,614 Yes, yes. 123 00:07:43,655 --> 00:07:44,955 Thank you for asking. 124 00:07:44,974 --> 00:07:46,424 Yeah, he's doing great. 125 00:07:47,354 --> 00:07:54,719 Um, so circling back to, uh, The School of Nursing and Digication, 126 00:07:56,230 --> 00:08:00,600 so do you know when the School of Nursing started using Digication? 127 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,780 Were you a part of that or was it something that was already 128 00:08:04,599 --> 00:08:07,219 integrated when you joined? 129 00:08:07,679 --> 00:08:12,489 At least in the undergraduate program, um, I had introduced it, I would 130 00:08:12,489 --> 00:08:20,799 say about 2018 or so, um, as part of the leadership and management 131 00:08:20,799 --> 00:08:22,770 courses in the undergraduate program. 132 00:08:23,450 --> 00:08:26,500 Um, so I would say about 2018. 133 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:28,090 Okay, great. 134 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:28,440 Yeah. 135 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:34,030 And I know more about what you were doing, you know, a little bit, not, I'll know 136 00:08:34,030 --> 00:08:39,880 more in a few minutes, but I know more about what you were doing within the, um, 137 00:08:40,519 --> 00:08:45,600 kind of student internship program, but I would love to hear if, you know, if you're 138 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:51,369 still utilizing ePortfolios and other kinds of courses and experiences as well. 139 00:08:51,930 --> 00:09:00,670 Um, so it sounds like you may have been one of the early users of ePortfolio 140 00:09:00,740 --> 00:09:04,120 technology within the School of Nursing. 141 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:09,309 And was it that management course that was where it began? 142 00:09:09,599 --> 00:09:09,949 Correct! 143 00:09:10,609 --> 00:09:11,079 Okay. 144 00:09:11,590 --> 00:09:16,699 And did it have any kind of, um, connections to 145 00:09:16,750 --> 00:09:18,949 accreditation or assessment? 146 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:25,610 Because I know, in some other healthcare related fields, that's sometimes how 147 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:31,300 this kind of technology gets, um, gets incorporated into the curriculum. 148 00:09:31,430 --> 00:09:36,850 Um, and other times it's more focused on providing a space for 149 00:09:36,850 --> 00:09:40,620 the students to really tell their story about their experiences. 150 00:09:40,650 --> 00:09:46,020 So I was kind of curious how it might have Um, maybe first started and if there's 151 00:09:46,020 --> 00:09:48,800 been any kind of evolution since it began. 152 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:50,280 Absolutely. 153 00:09:50,340 --> 00:09:56,540 Um, it had just started really with them, uh, developing a resume because 154 00:09:56,540 --> 00:10:01,459 we have student learning objectives that in this course, um, and the 155 00:10:01,459 --> 00:10:05,720 formal term is, uh, transitions into baccalaureate nursing practice. 156 00:10:07,060 --> 00:10:07,410 Okay. 157 00:10:07,449 --> 00:10:11,100 Um, I just call it leadership and management for short, but it's basically 158 00:10:11,100 --> 00:10:16,510 bridging that journey between student and baccalaureate prepared nurse. 159 00:10:17,179 --> 00:10:23,759 Um, so the course focuses, um, in part on developing your career, putting your best 160 00:10:23,759 --> 00:10:28,890 foot forward, and we have starting student learning outcomes that pertain to that. 161 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:33,010 So it started with a resume and then I decided to take it a step 162 00:10:33,010 --> 00:10:36,300 further with our RN to BS students. 163 00:10:36,319 --> 00:10:39,730 Now these are students that have their two year RN degree and they're pursuing 164 00:10:39,730 --> 00:10:41,770 their four year baccalaureate degree. 165 00:10:42,269 --> 00:10:45,749 So in the course, not only do they develop their resume, but they 166 00:10:45,749 --> 00:10:47,819 also develop this e portfolio. 167 00:10:48,100 --> 00:10:51,080 As part of the course and part of their course grade. 168 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:52,470 Nice. 169 00:10:52,660 --> 00:10:53,030 Nice. 170 00:10:53,689 --> 00:11:00,119 So as they're coming in, you know, at these different kinds of levels in their, 171 00:11:00,180 --> 00:11:07,529 um, kind of education and professional pursuits, how, how are you introducing 172 00:11:07,529 --> 00:11:13,930 them to this type of technology and maybe how it may differ from other kinds of. 173 00:11:14,310 --> 00:11:18,970 tools that they're using either at school or when they're in the field. 174 00:11:20,349 --> 00:11:22,089 So, um, I ha... 175 00:11:22,189 --> 00:11:26,589 We have them get into the education program sooner than later, even though 176 00:11:26,589 --> 00:11:29,599 the, uh, assignment is due at the end. 177 00:11:30,075 --> 00:11:35,965 And we provide them a lot of guidance, um, and we have, uh, a very prescriptive, 178 00:11:35,965 --> 00:11:41,844 prescriptive rubric that details what they should be including in this ePortfolio 179 00:11:42,295 --> 00:11:49,835 so that they can start collecting their materials and, um, they, part of their, 180 00:11:50,315 --> 00:11:52,805 the points earned are also visual appeal. 181 00:11:53,310 --> 00:11:57,420 Because you can have just a straightforward, um, ePortfolio, 182 00:11:57,439 --> 00:12:01,099 which is fine, but to have a little bit more visual appear and flair 183 00:12:01,099 --> 00:12:03,219 to it, I think is very helpful. 184 00:12:03,680 --> 00:12:09,460 So that's, you know, they want to earn the top-tier points for each category 185 00:12:09,660 --> 00:12:11,669 that includes some sort of visual appeal. 186 00:12:11,689 --> 00:12:16,780 It doesn't have to be anything crazy, but, um, you know, something just to make it 187 00:12:16,829 --> 00:12:18,819 a bit more appealing as you look at it. 188 00:12:19,370 --> 00:12:26,875 Um, so they also get, um, resources on how to access, uh, you know, Bring 189 00:12:26,875 --> 00:12:29,694 them to the tutorials that you provide. 190 00:12:29,724 --> 00:12:34,175 Um, I also have some screenshots of my own and then of course I can 191 00:12:34,175 --> 00:12:38,205 reach out to Digication or myself for any, um, you know, it takes a 192 00:12:38,225 --> 00:12:42,965 little, this definitely a learning curve with any platform that you use. 193 00:12:43,434 --> 00:12:47,344 So, um, once they get the hang of it, then, then they're fine. 194 00:12:48,115 --> 00:12:48,645 Oh, good. 195 00:12:48,665 --> 00:12:49,764 Glad to hear that. 196 00:12:49,835 --> 00:12:50,855 And I know. 197 00:12:51,940 --> 00:12:57,800 As we've been developing Digication over time, we really have had a focus 198 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:05,840 on making it something that can be personalized and, um, you know, giving 199 00:13:05,939 --> 00:13:12,930 students the opportunity to present who they are, not just, um, you know, 200 00:13:12,939 --> 00:13:19,810 um, using it as a file repository and I know in especially sometimes in more 201 00:13:19,829 --> 00:13:24,079 healthcare oriented disciplines or any kind of professional practice programs 202 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:31,219 they're often required to share you know their experience and certifications 203 00:13:32,460 --> 00:13:37,780 professional development opportunities but very often other platforms are very 204 00:13:38,270 --> 00:13:45,955 kind of form-oriented and very strict in how that information is presented. 205 00:13:45,975 --> 00:13:50,735 So do you feel like the students enjoyed the opportunity to do something that 206 00:13:51,405 --> 00:13:55,405 wasn't so form-oriented, even if there was a little bit of a learning curve. 207 00:13:55,405 --> 00:13:57,995 Did they find that that was valuable to them? 208 00:13:58,435 --> 00:14:04,515 Yeah, I think so because it, Digication, uh, definitely is flexible 209 00:14:05,275 --> 00:14:10,194 and gives you that levity to develop something that can represent you. 210 00:14:11,055 --> 00:14:17,335 Um, so I have seen some really, I've graded some very amazing, 211 00:14:17,705 --> 00:14:20,405 beautiful, it's almost like artwork. 212 00:14:20,874 --> 00:14:24,115 You know, some of these, uh, students really just go that 213 00:14:24,124 --> 00:14:29,245 extra mile to create these, uh, I would say ePortfolio art, I guess. 214 00:14:29,864 --> 00:14:33,725 And you really can really, um, understand and get to know the student 215 00:14:33,725 --> 00:14:37,984 just by taking a journey through their ePortfolio and, you know, 216 00:14:37,985 --> 00:14:40,735 career development is so important. 217 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:45,530 Uh, in this course, they go through a mock interview, um, 218 00:14:45,570 --> 00:14:47,170 with someone that they don't know. 219 00:14:47,750 --> 00:14:53,735 And, um, Actually, our mock interviewers are a master of leadership and 220 00:14:53,735 --> 00:15:00,024 education students, so they need experience in interviewing, and, um, 221 00:15:00,245 --> 00:15:06,655 the students as well, to get really, uh, immersed and get some practice 222 00:15:06,664 --> 00:15:10,225 in nursing profession-oriented interviewing questions. 223 00:15:10,795 --> 00:15:15,825 So the master's students interview the RN students, the undergraduate 224 00:15:15,905 --> 00:15:22,314 students, uh, for a fictitious job and they can choose either a med surg. 225 00:15:22,335 --> 00:15:27,025 position, uh, a leadership position or applying to graduate school. 226 00:15:27,045 --> 00:15:31,290 So the interview can have one of those three foci. 227 00:15:31,310 --> 00:15:37,860 I okay And then the students then go off and meet with the Career Center one on 228 00:15:37,860 --> 00:15:42,390 one and they get their resume tweaked by them because they're, you know, really 229 00:15:42,390 --> 00:15:45,510 the experts in resume development. 230 00:15:46,150 --> 00:15:50,430 And, um, you know, the final part of it is to put all of this 231 00:15:50,430 --> 00:15:52,540 together into an ePortfolio. 232 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:57,219 They need something that will set them apart from the, you know, 233 00:15:57,219 --> 00:16:00,819 fellow candidates for a job that they're pursuing or graduate school. 234 00:16:00,819 --> 00:16:05,015 So I think, um, It's more of a holistic type of approach. 235 00:16:06,155 --> 00:16:06,945 Excellent. 236 00:16:06,945 --> 00:16:07,405 Yeah. 237 00:16:07,405 --> 00:16:12,725 And as they're building this out, um, you know, you mentioned that the process 238 00:16:12,735 --> 00:16:19,495 started with, with the resume and then it sounds like it's evolved to include. 239 00:16:20,765 --> 00:16:25,305 Other kinds of content that they've created, maybe as part of your class, but 240 00:16:25,305 --> 00:16:27,805 also other classes that they've taken. 241 00:16:27,855 --> 00:16:33,055 Could you describe a little bit about what kinds of things that they're including 242 00:16:33,055 --> 00:16:35,905 within those ePortfolio pages now? 243 00:16:35,964 --> 00:16:39,045 Um, maybe in addition to the, the resume? 244 00:16:39,885 --> 00:16:41,295 So definitely the resume. 245 00:16:41,325 --> 00:16:45,635 They have a welcome page where they introduce themselves. 246 00:16:45,635 --> 00:16:49,405 We encourage them to include a photo and just give a brief description about 247 00:16:49,405 --> 00:16:52,225 themselves and their, um, work history. 248 00:16:52,775 --> 00:16:58,495 They can record it, get audio or they can, you know, Do both narratives and 249 00:16:58,515 --> 00:17:04,155 audio if they, they wish, um, they put in their nursing philosophy, which 250 00:17:04,175 --> 00:17:06,654 is constructed in a previous course. 251 00:17:07,365 --> 00:17:12,474 So they take their nursing philosophy and they present it as one of 252 00:17:12,474 --> 00:17:14,575 their first tabs in the ePortfolio. 253 00:17:15,964 --> 00:17:18,474 They also put in, um, their goals. 254 00:17:18,875 --> 00:17:20,055 Where do they see themselves? 255 00:17:20,055 --> 00:17:21,905 That's such a typical interview question, right? 256 00:17:21,905 --> 00:17:23,274 Where do you see yourself in five years? 257 00:17:24,120 --> 00:17:31,530 So, that's housed in the ePortfolio and, um, any certifications, professional 258 00:17:31,530 --> 00:17:33,660 development, things like that. 259 00:17:34,179 --> 00:17:39,640 And the last thing that they, um, include is they do a poster presentation 260 00:17:40,060 --> 00:17:44,440 in, um, the sibling course that we have for leadership and management. 261 00:17:44,770 --> 00:17:47,660 So, they put their professional poster in there as well, where 262 00:17:47,660 --> 00:17:49,310 they do like a hypothetical. 263 00:17:49,715 --> 00:17:53,135 Um, EPP project that's leadership oriented. 264 00:17:53,735 --> 00:17:58,105 So they have, you know, a nice display, a professional display 265 00:17:58,105 --> 00:18:01,214 of one of their um, projects. 266 00:18:01,785 --> 00:18:05,075 It's so much better than uploading a paper, you know. 267 00:18:05,785 --> 00:18:09,445 So this is just uh, a really great thing to include in there. 268 00:18:09,495 --> 00:18:11,575 So that's what they um, have in their ePortfolio. 269 00:18:13,274 --> 00:18:13,845 Nice. 270 00:18:13,855 --> 00:18:19,005 So are they doing any kind of um, I know, you know, as part of your roles, you're 271 00:18:19,035 --> 00:18:23,585 coordinating the, um, the internship program with the nursing students. 272 00:18:23,745 --> 00:18:30,314 Are they pulling in any kind of reflections or, um, maybe 273 00:18:30,314 --> 00:18:33,694 materials about that kind of internship experience as well? 274 00:18:33,694 --> 00:18:38,715 I know they're not sharing, you know, specifics about the, the patients and 275 00:18:38,715 --> 00:18:40,874 things, but are they able to share? 276 00:18:41,275 --> 00:18:46,145 Elements of what that kind of experience was like for them in their ePortfolio. 277 00:18:46,545 --> 00:18:50,404 Not at this point, but that is definitely something to consider. 278 00:18:50,715 --> 00:18:54,195 So right now I have this assignment with our RN. 279 00:18:54,754 --> 00:18:57,335 These are post licensure students. 280 00:18:58,014 --> 00:19:01,835 This spring I'm bringing in, I will be bringing in ePortfolios 281 00:19:01,975 --> 00:19:04,085 to the pre licensure students. 282 00:19:04,405 --> 00:19:04,815 Nice. 283 00:19:05,105 --> 00:19:08,145 So, and in the internship I have pre licensure students. 284 00:19:08,564 --> 00:19:14,024 So they, these pre licensure students, take transition into professional practice 285 00:19:14,145 --> 00:19:20,245 as part of their last semester, just like the RN students, um, and what I 286 00:19:20,335 --> 00:19:28,044 see with that is, um, on their resume, putting a QR code to their ePortfolio, 287 00:19:28,044 --> 00:19:30,125 just like I recommend to the RN students. 288 00:19:30,450 --> 00:19:34,280 Yeah, um, and they can, you know, link out so that when they're 289 00:19:34,330 --> 00:19:39,350 uploading their resumes and things, um, for their job applications, 290 00:19:39,360 --> 00:19:41,030 that QR code will be right there. 291 00:19:41,470 --> 00:19:41,920 Yeah. 292 00:19:42,629 --> 00:19:46,839 So, um, adding reflections, I think, is a, is a great idea. 293 00:19:47,115 --> 00:19:51,945 to have a tab like reflect reflections of student nursing 294 00:19:51,945 --> 00:19:53,365 or something to that effect. 295 00:19:53,784 --> 00:19:59,294 Yeah, we've had some other programs that have had a lot of success in using that 296 00:19:59,294 --> 00:20:04,085 as a plate because so often when they go You know, before they've had these kind of 297 00:20:04,245 --> 00:20:11,264 field experiences or even, you know, maybe having an experience with even a group 298 00:20:11,264 --> 00:20:15,585 of other nurses, you know, there's things that are being learned every day, right? 299 00:20:15,964 --> 00:20:16,364 Yeah. 300 00:20:16,524 --> 00:20:22,330 And having that space for them to, uh, Um, you know, not just, you know, kind 301 00:20:22,330 --> 00:20:26,370 of document the day to day, but you know, there's these incredible kind of 302 00:20:26,539 --> 00:20:30,839 light bulb moments that happen in those kinds of experiences and it can be a 303 00:20:30,839 --> 00:20:34,280 beautiful place for that to be recorded. 304 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,999 And I know sometimes they keep that area private. 305 00:20:38,230 --> 00:20:43,540 And may, um, you know, make decisions about how they might like to craft 306 00:20:43,550 --> 00:20:47,930 that to be shared with external audiences later as part of that 307 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,200 more career oriented portfolio. 308 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,629 And, um, so if that's something you're interested in pursuing, I'd 309 00:20:54,630 --> 00:20:57,240 love to show you other examples. 310 00:20:57,565 --> 00:21:01,145 So that you might get some ideas about how to do that with your, 311 00:21:01,165 --> 00:21:03,205 um, nursing students as well. 312 00:21:03,415 --> 00:21:05,075 I think they'd really love that. 313 00:21:05,115 --> 00:21:05,775 They'd enjoy it. 314 00:21:06,055 --> 00:21:08,065 And you'll probably love reading them. 315 00:21:10,435 --> 00:21:15,004 I love hearing those types of, um, stories from students and it really 316 00:21:15,034 --> 00:21:17,474 connects them to the profession even more. 317 00:21:18,115 --> 00:21:18,555 Yes. 318 00:21:19,225 --> 00:21:20,434 Yeah, yeah. 319 00:21:20,905 --> 00:21:26,334 Um, and in terms of the kind of, uh, interviewing process, if they've gone 320 00:21:26,344 --> 00:21:33,384 through kind of crafting that narrative, even if they're not showing that exact 321 00:21:33,425 --> 00:21:38,524 page to the person interviewing, it'll be kind of at the top of their resume. 322 00:21:38,925 --> 00:21:43,305 mind and describing, you know, experiences that they've had in the field too. 323 00:21:43,875 --> 00:21:46,024 So we, we can chat more about that after. 324 00:21:50,005 --> 00:21:50,715 That sounds good. 325 00:21:51,185 --> 00:21:56,354 I love to see them used in any kind of field experience, internships. 326 00:21:57,004 --> 00:21:59,665 Um, I just think they're such a great asset. 327 00:22:00,145 --> 00:22:04,125 Um, but I was curious, so when you started, you know, using this with the 328 00:22:04,155 --> 00:22:10,085 students, and maybe it's something that you kind of communicate to them now, 329 00:22:10,204 --> 00:22:15,365 um, you know, from your perspective, what kind of value do you feel like 330 00:22:16,060 --> 00:22:22,389 The e portfolios give the students and then what kind of value maybe does it 331 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:29,540 provide to the School of Nursing at maybe, you know, during the time that 332 00:22:29,540 --> 00:22:32,810 you're actually working with the students and maybe even beyond that because 333 00:22:32,810 --> 00:22:35,660 they do have access as alumni as well. 334 00:22:36,590 --> 00:22:38,019 Yeah, which is very important. 335 00:22:38,029 --> 00:22:42,980 So That they continue having this access beyond their graduation date. 336 00:22:42,980 --> 00:22:43,310 Right. 337 00:22:43,980 --> 00:22:48,590 Well, like I said, career development is so important for so many reasons, 338 00:22:49,109 --> 00:22:55,179 but at the core, for me personally, how I feel about career development is 339 00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:59,619 I want them to land their dream job. 340 00:22:59,659 --> 00:23:02,689 I want them to be offered their dream job and their backup jobs. 341 00:23:03,019 --> 00:23:06,049 Um, but I, if they are interested in. 342 00:23:06,455 --> 00:23:09,774 The ER or another specialty area. 343 00:23:09,774 --> 00:23:14,375 Those areas tend to be very competitive and, you know, they're all 344 00:23:14,375 --> 00:23:16,344 graduating roughly at the same time. 345 00:23:16,365 --> 00:23:19,465 So there's competition for these fellowship programs. 346 00:23:20,324 --> 00:23:28,794 And, um, so I feel that they can land their dream job that they have been 347 00:23:28,805 --> 00:23:31,754 working towards for their entire program. 348 00:23:32,064 --> 00:23:36,504 Then they're more likely to stay and that could possibly impact 349 00:23:37,084 --> 00:23:38,904 Turner, you know, turnover. 350 00:23:39,405 --> 00:23:40,585 Retention. 351 00:23:40,935 --> 00:23:45,635 So let's put them in a position in the best position possible to 352 00:23:45,635 --> 00:23:49,294 nail that job that they really have wanted to pursue from day one. 353 00:23:50,055 --> 00:23:51,575 So that maybe that they'll stay. 354 00:23:52,205 --> 00:23:53,005 Right, right. 355 00:23:53,325 --> 00:23:56,465 Because we do, we see our, our, uh, turnover rate since 356 00:23:56,585 --> 00:23:58,635 the pandemic has increased. 357 00:23:59,294 --> 00:24:05,105 So we need to do some work pre pandemic, but definitely now post pandemic, um, 358 00:24:05,135 --> 00:24:08,184 in trying to curtail that turnover rate. 359 00:24:08,674 --> 00:24:12,044 Because it does cost an institution a lot of money to train 360 00:24:12,044 --> 00:24:14,514 individuals and things like that. 361 00:24:14,514 --> 00:24:19,495 So, you know, if they don't get that dream job and they have to take their backup 362 00:24:19,504 --> 00:24:22,834 job, there's going to be a turnover there. 363 00:24:23,044 --> 00:24:26,414 You can almost guarantee it, um, in these days. 364 00:24:26,495 --> 00:24:28,044 So, yeah, yeah. 365 00:24:28,275 --> 00:24:33,670 That's where I really feel career development and giving them a 366 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,450 rounded opportunity to present themselves is so important. 367 00:24:37,980 --> 00:24:38,470 Yeah. 368 00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:39,360 Yeah. 369 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:47,300 And I was curious too, if they're ever approached as, um, you know, almost as 370 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:57,850 advocacy tools for, for nursing and the field, um, because they do, I think... 371 00:24:58,575 --> 00:25:04,275 provide information about, you know, what is at the heart of that individual and 372 00:25:04,325 --> 00:25:10,845 why they are pursuing that as a career, you know, as you were mentioning, you 373 00:25:10,845 --> 00:25:13,774 know, it kind of became part of your core. 374 00:25:14,509 --> 00:25:19,419 And your journey, you know, it wasn't a straight path to, to where 375 00:25:19,419 --> 00:25:22,340 you are now, but you wouldn't be where you are now without having 376 00:25:22,340 --> 00:25:25,649 had those prior experiences. 377 00:25:25,660 --> 00:25:31,480 So you know, I was curious if the students are, are sharing their 378 00:25:31,619 --> 00:25:37,860 ePortfolios, um, with other students as they're going through the program, 379 00:25:37,899 --> 00:25:39,340 if they're sharing them with... 380 00:25:40,165 --> 00:25:43,295 other, um, professors that they're working with. 381 00:25:43,295 --> 00:25:48,165 Do they get shared with any kind of site supervisors that they might have? 382 00:25:48,165 --> 00:25:50,865 What is, what is that process like? 383 00:25:51,424 --> 00:25:54,794 Well, they have the opportunity to share their ePortfolios in 384 00:25:54,804 --> 00:25:56,574 any manner that they choose. 385 00:25:57,365 --> 00:26:00,155 Um, but you know, I. 386 00:26:01,340 --> 00:26:07,300 A resume only tells you the professional aspect, the e portfolio pads, that 387 00:26:07,310 --> 00:26:11,619 information with the personal aspect, and we have many students that enter 388 00:26:11,620 --> 00:26:17,979 the profession because they had a history of some sort of cancer or 389 00:26:17,979 --> 00:26:22,080 some sort of disease process that put them in the care of nursing. 390 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:22,740 And that's why. 391 00:26:23,374 --> 00:26:28,144 They became a nurse or a family member or, you know, these stories 392 00:26:28,195 --> 00:26:30,925 are just incredible to hear. 393 00:26:30,955 --> 00:26:35,064 And, you know, I hear them anecdotally, but to have them, you 394 00:26:35,064 --> 00:26:38,814 know, housed if they're comfortable with it in an ePortfolio that says, 395 00:26:38,864 --> 00:26:40,574 this is why I'm pursuing nursing. 396 00:26:40,864 --> 00:26:43,875 And I want to advocate for the psychiatric patient. 397 00:26:43,875 --> 00:26:47,495 I want to advocate for the pediatric oncology patient. 398 00:26:48,125 --> 00:26:50,674 You know, the ePortfolio is the perfect place. 399 00:26:50,675 --> 00:26:54,054 You can't really express that. 400 00:26:54,695 --> 00:26:55,735 On a resume. 401 00:26:55,965 --> 00:27:00,025 So it just takes that resume to the next level by giving, you 402 00:27:00,025 --> 00:27:03,275 know, the person who's reading it some insight into this person. 403 00:27:03,825 --> 00:27:04,245 Yeah. 404 00:27:04,265 --> 00:27:07,345 So, you know, how they choose to share it though is, you 405 00:27:07,345 --> 00:27:08,614 know, based on an individual. 406 00:27:08,615 --> 00:27:10,964 We don't have any strict requirements on that. 407 00:27:10,985 --> 00:27:12,924 Um, they don't do peer review. 408 00:27:13,465 --> 00:27:15,225 I mean, just ePortfolio. 409 00:27:15,715 --> 00:27:20,695 Um, but that is certain, certainly something, um, I would consider for 410 00:27:20,765 --> 00:27:22,905 the pre licensure students, right? 411 00:27:22,905 --> 00:27:23,125 Yeah. 412 00:27:23,125 --> 00:27:25,375 And maybe a part of that internship experience. 413 00:27:25,425 --> 00:27:25,935 Yes. 414 00:27:26,055 --> 00:27:26,585 Yeah. 415 00:27:26,715 --> 00:27:27,155 Yeah. 416 00:27:27,695 --> 00:27:28,145 Yeah. 417 00:27:28,804 --> 00:27:35,464 Uh, do you know, you know, as part of, um, the process, if they are choosing to 418 00:27:35,464 --> 00:27:41,195 share them out, uh, maybe with potential employers, you mentioned that You give 419 00:27:41,195 --> 00:27:44,295 them advice on including the QR code. 420 00:27:44,775 --> 00:27:50,225 Um, have you heard back from any students about, you know, if they heard from a 421 00:27:50,225 --> 00:27:55,645 potential employer that they looked at their portfolio, or if there was something 422 00:27:55,654 --> 00:28:00,845 about the process of putting the portfolio together that may have helped them when 423 00:28:00,845 --> 00:28:03,235 they got into that interview stage? 424 00:28:04,315 --> 00:28:09,045 Not, not specifically ePortfolio oriented. 425 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:15,210 Um, I do get, um, emails and correspondence from students after they 426 00:28:15,210 --> 00:28:22,579 graduated saying I, I got the job that I wanted, um, you know, and they'll offer 427 00:28:22,580 --> 00:28:26,740 their gratitude for the course and all the career development that we've done. 428 00:28:27,189 --> 00:28:32,509 And that just, that feels so good, you know, that I've got the job that they, 429 00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:37,580 they want because you know, when we look at turnover, um, and retention, all 430 00:28:37,580 --> 00:28:39,060 of that trickles down to the patient. 431 00:28:39,915 --> 00:28:44,815 Yeah, so having a facility with low turnover and I'm not saying 432 00:28:44,815 --> 00:28:47,055 ePortfolios is the cure for tur... 433 00:28:47,135 --> 00:28:48,615 turnover or retention. 434 00:28:49,034 --> 00:28:54,025 Oh, alright, yeah., but you know, it could be part of how we can 435 00:28:54,025 --> 00:28:58,974 keep, um Employees in one place. 436 00:28:59,554 --> 00:29:03,234 Yeah, you know for longer, um It's just a thought. 437 00:29:03,924 --> 00:29:04,444 Yeah. 438 00:29:04,484 --> 00:29:10,060 Yeah and finding that position that is You know, a good fit for them 439 00:29:10,290 --> 00:29:12,640 where they are at that point, right? 440 00:29:12,830 --> 00:29:18,090 Um, and it may keep expanding from there, but for, yeah, for them to be able to 441 00:29:18,090 --> 00:29:25,139 get their dream job, as you mentioned, uh, right when they graduate is, is huge.