00;00;00;04 - 00;00;19;09 Sarah Elbow deep into somebody's star acts or whatever. It's Hey, Maniac. 00;00;19;15 - 00;00;21;05 Mark Hey, Maniac. 00;00;21;06 - 00;00;34;22 Sarah It's Mystery Maniacs, The Comedy Recap Podcast Focus on Mystery TV. Each episode, we dig into an episode of a show that we really like where a lot of people get killed in funny ways. You think Sarah. 00;00;34;22 - 00;00;35;19 Mark Doesn't have the script? 00;00;35;19 - 00;00;36;04 Sarah That's what we. 00;00;36;04 - 00;00;37;14 Mark Do. 00;00;37;14 - 00;00;38;08 Sarah That's what we do. 00;00;38;08 - 00;00;40;11 Mark We do the murders, the mayhem, the loonies. 00;00;40;11 - 00;00;41;25 Sarah And everything else we love. 00;00;42;04 - 00;00;42;23 Mark This Week. 00;00;43;02 - 00;00;46;12 Sarah Season one Episode four as Murdoch Mysteries. 00;00;46;20 - 00;00;51;02 Mark Elementary My dear Murdoch, which gets said in this episode, never said in the. 00;00;51;02 - 00;00;51;19 Sarah Books. 00;00;51;20 - 00;00;53;21 Mark Now, the first time we said, Are. 00;00;53;21 - 00;00;58;27 Sarah You saying that Sherlock Holmes never says elementary? My dear Watson, Never. Does he say the game is afoot? 00;00;59;15 - 00;01;05;25 Mark I don't know about that, but he never says. It's a 1923 movie is the first time it appears. 00;01;06;00 - 00;01;07;04 Sarah You did some research. 00;01;07;12 - 00;01;09;17 Mark Oh, boy, did I do some research. 00;01;10;16 - 00;01;14;20 Sarah You're overfilled with Sherlock Holmes facts right now. 00;01;14;20 - 00;01;25;25 Mark Research. Mark, this is a spoiler podcast. And if you let your kids read Sherlock Holmes stories, they can listen to podcasts. Yeah, and you should. 00;01;25;27 - 00;01;32;09 Sarah Yeah. Before we dive in, a couple of announcements. One, Fiona Doleman, a.k.a. Sarah Barnaby. 00;01;32;22 - 00;01;33;14 Mark Posted. 00;01;33;20 - 00;01;38;26 Sarah Tweeted that they were doing script read Theroux's for Midsomer Murders Season 24. 00;01;39;04 - 00;02;02;18 Mark For those of you not familiar with Greenland or how television is made, what happens is they sit down all in a room together and read the script to each other. Mm hmm. And then that's the kind of final stage in the reading. And we know we know that they do this with the writers there because we talked to a writer of Midsomer, and they told us how this. 00;02;02;18 - 00;02;09;20 Sarah Went, and they make little tweaks and stuff if they have to. So that is confirmation that there will be a season 24 Midsomer Murders. 00;02;09;20 - 00;02;19;06 Mark And based on the research I did on season 23, that would mean that season 24 will be released on ACORN in December of 2023. 00;02;19;13 - 00;02;20;28 Sarah If it follows the same. 00;02;20;28 - 00;02;24;15 Mark Time, if it follows the same timeline and there isn't a global pandemic. 00;02;24;15 - 00;02;37;21 Sarah Right. Or some other delay. Yeah. So speaking of summer, Annette Badland sent us a DM on Twitter. Hey, Mark was screaming like a little teenage girl in her favorite band comes to town. 00;02;38;01 - 00;02;40;09 Mark We may have actually had a conversation. 00;02;40;14 - 00;02;45;01 Sarah Nick, but what we can tell you is, by. 00;02;45;01 - 00;02;52;27 Mark The way, she's like all over the news this week because it was the premiere of Last. 00;02;52;27 - 00;02;56;17 Sarah Annette Badland plays the coroner in midsummer. 00;02;56;17 - 00;02;58;03 Mark And she's in Ted Lasso. 00;02;58;09 - 00;03;02;04 Sarah Yes, she plays the bar. The bar Landlady. 00;03;02;04 - 00;03;04;28 Mark She's the not soft spoken, the opposite of soft. 00;03;05;10 - 00;03;06;05 Sarah The outspoken. 00;03;06;11 - 00;03;08;17 Mark Outspoken blond lady. 00;03;08;17 - 00;03;11;14 Sarah And you're married to me and you can't think of the word outspoken. 00;03;11;14 - 00;03;13;21 Mark Both shows really In both shows. 00;03;14;02 - 00;03;25;12 Sarah Anyway, what we can tell you about that conversation right now, we got to keep some things on the down low, but right now we can tell you that she's advocating right now for a charity called Target Ovarian cancer. 00;03;25;27 - 00;03;29;25 Mark And because March is Ovarian Cancer Awareness Month. 00;03;29;26 - 00;03;30;10 Sarah Yes. 00;03;30;21 - 00;03;47;26 Mark And so what we're going to do because this disease is horrific, over 7400 women in the each year are diagnosed in the UK, with over 19,000 women receiving the diagnosis in the US and over 3000 women in Canada. This affects us. 00;03;47;26 - 00;04;03;25 Sarah All. Yeah, affects a lot of people. So for January to May of 2023, i.e. two months ago to two months from now, yes. All of the proceeds from our merch store on spread shirt will be going to target ovarian cancer. 00;04;03;27 - 00;04;16;16 Mark Now if that that is a UK charity and if you choose to not buy our merch because you want to support locally, good on your support, go for it. Absolutely. That's great. Yeah. 00;04;16;19 - 00;04;20;01 Sarah But Robert, research is research and injuries or cures. 00;04;20;02 - 00;04;25;27 Mark Yeah, it is. In saying that over 13,000 women in the US die every year. 00;04;26;01 - 00;04;28;08 Sarah Yeah. So it's because it's silent. 00;04;28;14 - 00;04;28;27 Mark Yeah. 00;04;29;06 - 00;04;40;10 Sarah And it's you don't know that you have it until sometimes it's too late. Yep. Speaking of merch, you have a new design in the store. It is. Yes. I can read in all of his favorite sayings. 00;04;40;23 - 00;04;47;27 Mark Certain image of Bracken Green. And you should go get it on a bunch of merch and that money will go to Target ovarian cancer. 00;04;47;27 - 00;04;49;26 Sarah It's on shirts, it's on aprons, it's on mugs. 00;04;50;02 - 00;04;51;12 Mark It's everything. 00;04;51;12 - 00;05;07;15 Sarah Yes. And if there is a merch, if there is a design, like a t shirt format, whatever, that I didn't put it on that you want, just let us know. It takes me two clicks to add it to a hoodie or whatever. If I didn't, I'm always happy to make those changes. 00;05;07;15 - 00;05;10;07 Mark And we will put that link again in the show notes. 00;05;10;13 - 00;05;13;15 Sarah Yes. Are you ready for elementary media, Murdoch? 00;05;13;18 - 00;05;26;22 Mark I would I would go as far to say is this even more than last week is the prototypical future Murdoch ever. So yeah, it's quirky, it's funny, It's got back and read. Being quirky and funny. 00;05;26;22 - 00;05;38;10 Sarah And it's got real, real people. Yeah. Tied into the story. So it's got a little bit of history tie in there, which is always fun. Sometimes they're anachronistic, sometimes they're not. 00;05;38;10 - 00;05;43;10 Mark Yeah, I could not find any problems with Doyle's portrayal in this. 00;05;43;11 - 00;05;44;23 Sarah The timeline for Doyle's life. 00;05;44;23 - 00;05;53;17 Mark The timeline all fits good. Maybe he wasn't exactly in Canada on that day, but he was around Canada. Yeah, he's a whole Canada thing. 00;05;53;20 - 00;05;54;10 Sarah Yeah, he. 00;05;54;10 - 00;05;56;03 Mark Did. I did not realize that. 00;05;56;05 - 00;05;59;29 Sarah He had a being out in the woods thing, didn't he? Like the. 00;05;59;29 - 00;06;06;08 Mark He was a ship's doctor from the Arctic to Africa. Yeah. Okay. He was an adventurer, right? Absolutely. 00;06;06;08 - 00;06;07;28 Sarah And he. He liked wilderness. 00;06;07;28 - 00;06;15;28 Mark He said the mighty voice of Canada will ever call to me. That's from a poem he wrote called The Athabasca Trail. 00;06;16;01 - 00;06;17;26 Sarah You pronounce that? Very well. Good job. 00;06;17;26 - 00;06;32;16 Mark I think that's about the Athabasca area or trail is named after Lake Athabasca, which is a Cree word of where there are plants one after another. It's locate it in the corner of Alberta and Saskatchewan. 00;06;32;16 - 00;06;40;22 Sarah I'm going to take your notes away. Yeah, Yeah. So we start out at the Duke Hotel. Murdoch is meeting Doyle there. 00;06;40;23 - 00;06;42;29 Mark There are a lot of hotels in the first couple episodes. 00;06;42;29 - 00;06;43;26 Sarah There is that? 00;06;43;29 - 00;06;45;12 Mark Yeah, there's a lot of hotels. 00;06;45;12 - 00;06;52;08 Sarah It's a big city. Hang out at hotels. They have an engagement. Yes. And Murdoch abandons his bicycle. 00;06;52;09 - 00;07;04;08 Mark Just abandons his bicycle. And I'm watching the credits and Googling. All right. So Murdoch drives his bike up there, leaves it on like the side of the the. 00;07;04;08 - 00;07;05;26 Sarah Sidewalk, basically. Yeah. 00;07;06;04 - 00;07;18;20 Mark And just gets in the carriage with Doyle. Yeah. And across the bottom of the screen it says Maria del Mar. And I'm like, Maria Del Mar. Which one? I asked. Oh, because. 00;07;18;23 - 00;07;22;04 Sarah She's the actress who plays Sarah Pencil the Psychic in this episode. 00;07;22;07 - 00;07;33;17 Mark She's also at first I was like, Is there one Maria Del Mar because the Maria del Mar that I was familiar with is not this actress. Oh, and I was like. 00;07;33;17 - 00;07;34;00 Sarah Who's the. 00;07;34;11 - 00;07;46;26 Mark The same person? No, can't be the same person because Maria del Mar that I'm familiar with is a very tall Amazon like woman. How do I know this? Ask me how I know she's very tall in Amazon. 00;07;46;26 - 00;07;48;05 Sarah How do you know that she. 00;07;48;05 - 00;07;49;08 Mark Picked me up? 00;07;49;11 - 00;07;49;28 Sarah What? 00;07;49;28 - 00;07;57;10 Mark Yes. Maria Del Mar is also the name of a singer from a band called National Velvet in Canada. 00;07;57;16 - 00;07;59;20 Sarah Okay. And she picked you up. 00;07;59;20 - 00;08;24;25 Mark She was a very, very Amazon like woman. And after a show in Waterloo, she came in to the newspaper office looking for drinks. She said, And I said, We have no drinks at all. And she picked me up and shook me. 00;08;24;25 - 00;08;30;16 Sarah I would pay so much money to see that I've been. 00;08;30;16 - 00;08;34;21 Mark Now you have to understand this was a rock, God forbid, from true. 00;08;34;21 - 00;08;39;16 Sarah For a long time. And you've never mentioned that a woman once picked you up and shook you. 00;08;39;16 - 00;08;49;17 Mark Rock band from Toronto called National Velvet, in which it included Flesh under Skin and Sex, Gorilla. 00;08;49;17 - 00;08;51;15 Sarah Sounds like a sex girl. It shook you. 00;08;51;15 - 00;08;53;01 Mark Oh, wow. 00;08;53;01 - 00;08;54;08 Sarah Give your woman a drink. 00;08;54;09 - 00;08;55;02 Mark So I'm just going. 00;08;55;02 - 00;08;55;20 Sarah To do next. 00;08;55;20 - 00;08;59;05 Mark She related to her? No, because they're very different people. 00;08;59;07 - 00;08;59;28 Sarah I hope so. 00;08;59;29 - 00;09;08;01 Mark I tell you what, on both of their pages at the very start, it's like not the actress Maria Del Mar, not the. 00;09;08;12 - 00;09;08;28 Sarah The singer. 00;09;08;28 - 00;09;12;24 Mark Singer Maria del Mar. They're about 20 years apart, but. 00;09;13;02 - 00;09;14;25 Sarah Not the woman who shook Mark Bell. 00;09;15;08 - 00;09;18;11 Mark No, but I was like Maria del Mar. I didn't know her. 00;09;18;21 - 00;09;25;03 Sarah That's because you were traumatized. You see her name and you're like, Oh, did she know where I am? She's going to come shake me again. 00;09;25;19 - 00;09;26;15 Mark Okay, So. 00;09;26;27 - 00;09;29;09 Sarah Admiral Doyle knows who Murdock is. 00;09;29;09 - 00;09;35;07 Mark Because of the Cabbagetown murders. A case that we never hear again. No, no, no. We hear about it again. 00;09;35;08 - 00;09;36;09 Sarah But we never find out what. 00;09;36;20 - 00;09;38;22 Mark We find out, though. But it was. 00;09;38;27 - 00;09;42;02 Sarah I think it's when people swap people's heads for cabbages. 00;09;42;08 - 00;09;42;25 Mark No. 00;09;43;03 - 00;09;45;08 Sarah No. Like a serial cabbage swap of. 00;09;45;23 - 00;09;48;21 Mark A neighborhood in Toronto where I actually used to live. 00;09;48;21 - 00;09;55;16 Sarah Or a killer made things smell like cabbage. They would just call them the stinky murders if that happens. 00;09;55;22 - 00;09;57;08 Mark So they have one of their. 00;09;57;09 - 00;09;57;26 Sarah Blue. 00;09;58;09 - 00;10;02;07 Mark Transitions here. Yes. And the wall poster gets weird. 00;10;02;14 - 00;10;14;07 Sarah I know the posters outside the police station for the photographs. Free rent, whatever. We start to see little if you keep, you keep watching forum, you see new bits and detail of them. 00;10;14;10 - 00;10;19;09 Mark In the war pictures Poster now says Belgian war pictures. 00;10;19;09 - 00;10;19;23 Sarah Yes. 00;10;19;28 - 00;10;36;15 Mark I do not know what that means. No, the closest instances that I can figure out because I read the entire page on the Belgian military are two possibilities which will surprise the crap out of you. 00;10;36;15 - 00;10;37;07 Sarah Okay. 00;10;37;07 - 00;10;46;01 Mark The first one is in 1864, where the Belgian extraordinary force was raised in service in Mexico. 00;10;46;08 - 00;10;48;19 Sarah Where it meant the Belgian army went to Mexico. 00;10;48;20 - 00;10;49;05 Mark Yes. 00;10;50;10 - 00;10;51;08 Sarah I surely there were army. 00;10;51;09 - 00;11;00;06 Mark People survive 1800 strong under the Empress Charlotte to fight for the imperial forces. 00;11;00;17 - 00;11;16;07 Sarah But in my head, the entire Belgian army is just poorer over and over again. So they say. In Mexico they sent 1500 euros to Mexico to fight in their little shoes. 00;11;16;07 - 00;11;17;25 Mark The second possibility. 00;11;18;02 - 00;11;19;26 Sarah You cannot take all of the mustache. 00;11;20;07 - 00;11;25;03 Mark Then more likely is the Belgian Congo is really beginning at this point. 00;11;25;05 - 00;11;27;03 Sarah I think it's much more likely the Congo. 00;11;27;03 - 00;11;53;03 Mark And the conflict at that point in time was called the Congo Arab War, which was fought in the Central African region between between the forces of King Leopold, the second who is the current king at this time of Congo. Yeah, and the Congo free state forces, including the Zanzibar three Arab slave traders led by SAFF bin Hamad to be tip son. 00;11;53;10 - 00;11;58;02 Mark Oh, so either it's Peru and Mexico may have a burrito. 00;11;59;04 - 00;12;00;27 Sarah I still think it's over. Mustache wax. 00;12;01;02 - 00;12;01;20 Mark Or. 00;12;01;24 - 00;12;03;20 Sarah Global controls Mustache wax. 00;12;03;21 - 00;12;05;21 Mark It's a fight over slave trading. 00;12;05;23 - 00;12;06;13 Sarah Hmm. 00;12;06;19 - 00;12;07;03 Mark I don't. 00;12;07;08 - 00;12;09;09 Sarah Either way. Why do people want photos? 00;12;09;09 - 00;12;13;24 Mark Do no interest on that sign. Do not come to the spiritual it. 00;12;14;11 - 00;12;22;23 Sarah Yes. So they have an appointment. But Doyle is double booked. Yeah. He's also going to a sergeant. 00;12;22;25 - 00;12;24;05 Mark That's where he's double booked to it. 00;12;24;05 - 00;12;27;02 Sarah And he takes Murdock with them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00;12;27;10 - 00;12;29;18 Mark And see, he knew exactly what he's doing. 00;12;29;18 - 00;12;42;18 Sarah Yeah. It wasn't an oops. I'm double booked. Nope. I'm kidnaping you to take you to a sergeant. Yes. Which just makes Murdock so uncomfortable the whole time. And we get to meet Sarah Pencil, who is a recurring character. 00;12;42;21 - 00;12;44;24 Mark Certainly in first season, maybe second. 00;12;44;24 - 00;12;50;27 Sarah Season. Her name is not Pencil B and C, and it's P and ACL. Yes. 00;12;50;27 - 00;12;51;24 Mark Pencil. 00;12;51;24 - 00;12;55;20 Sarah She's she's not a writing and no seems to be much funnier, if that would be. 00;12;55;25 - 00;12;57;27 Mark Who would be in Conrad Hunt's. 00;12;58;07 - 00;13;01;07 Sarah Yes. Who wants to talk to his son who died? 00;13;01;09 - 00;13;04;24 Mark Who died? But we never find out what how contract, how his son died. 00;13;04;25 - 00;13;16;23 Sarah No, but he must have been old enough to have serious conversations. Yes. Because later, when he thinks he's talking to his son, I'm thinking, does his son die when he was a toddler? Because that's a weird conversation. If he's a toddler. 00;13;16;28 - 00;13;17;20 Mark Yeah, like. 00;13;18;05 - 00;13;22;14 Sarah For, like, a little kid. Rivers of blood, daddy, like Miller. 00;13;22;18 - 00;13;40;09 Mark And so pencil does are psychic mumbo jumbo, right? Yeah. And says there's a girl murdered at this location 20 paces away from the road under water tower. I love how smarmy and passive aggressive Murdoch is. 00;13;40;09 - 00;13;42;00 Sarah He's like, Are you satisfied now? 00;13;42;01 - 00;13;44;20 Mark He's so totally Canadian. Sure. 00;13;44;26 - 00;13;52;08 Sarah Okay, So one question I have before we go forward is everybody refers to Doyle as Mr. Arthur CONAN Doyle, is he not, sir, Yet. 00;13;52;11 - 00;13;53;22 Mark He is not, sir. 00;13;53;23 - 00;13;54;07 Sarah Okay. 00;13;54;09 - 00;13;56;26 Mark He received his knighthood. 00;13;57;02 - 00;14;01;05 Sarah Because in my head, he's Sir Arthur CONAN Doyle. It's like all one big word, Sir Arthur CONAN Doyle. 00;14;01;07 - 00;14;02;04 Mark No, he's not. 00;14;02;04 - 00;14;04;05 Sarah Mr. Arthur CONAN Doyle He. 00;14;04;05 - 00;14;16;16 Mark Did not receive his knighthood until 1902, and it had more to do with the political writings he had done at that point. Okay, Because during this period off from Sherlock, he wrote kind of other. 00;14;16;16 - 00;14;17;19 Sarah Stuff that didn't do. 00;14;17;19 - 00;14;19;12 Mark So that didn't do so well. 00;14;19;23 - 00;14;20;08 Sarah Okay. 00;14;20;10 - 00;14;23;13 Mark Now, the other thing about his name, what is his name? 00;14;23;13 - 00;14;24;28 Sarah Arthur CONAN Doyle. 00;14;25;00 - 00;14;30;11 Mark Okay, sir. His name is Dr.. Arthur CONAN Doyle. What is CONAN? 00;14;30;13 - 00;14;33;16 Sarah I assumed it was a double barrel last name. 00;14;33;16 - 00;14;48;01 Mark No, it's not his last name. He originally his his name is Arthur Ignatius. CONAN Doyle. CONAN is his godparents last name that just got added to his name. 00;14;48;01 - 00;14;52;02 Sarah So it's a double barrel last name. But no, but the first part is from always. 00;14;52;02 - 00;14;53;13 Mark Referred to as Mr. Doyle. 00;14;53;14 - 00;14;56;14 Sarah Oh, okay. But everybody says. CONAN Not cool, man. 00;14;56;22 - 00;15;05;11 Mark That that's a whole different writer guy. Strange stuff. No, that's Tarzan, not CONAN. 00;15;05;24 - 00;15;06;29 Sarah And CONAN the Barbarian. 00;15;07;18 - 00;15;10;09 Mark The Barbarian. Tarzan, the guy in the bushes. 00;15;10;09 - 00;15;24;27 Sarah Yeah. So CONAN doesn't go. Oh, no, no, never mind. Anyway, so they go to Pencil House to have their sand. Yes, right. Because she wants to connect Hunt with his son. 00;15;24;27 - 00;15;27;29 Mark But there's a cross of the wires to the afterlife. 00;15;28;05 - 00;15;32;19 Sarah Yeah. And who comes through is this is someone saying that a girl is dead? 00;15;32;20 - 00;15;33;09 Mark Yes. 00;15;33;09 - 00;15;33;21 Sarah Right. 00;15;33;22 - 00;15;35;20 Mark But then we find out who it is. 00;15;35;20 - 00;15;43;02 Sarah Yeah. Now what happens in the sand? We get breezes in the windows. Yes, the table, rocks. Thump, thump. 00;15;43;06 - 00;15;44;05 Mark Thump, this unbelievable. 00;15;44;09 - 00;15;47;13 Sarah Thump. And that's how we know there's a spirit in the room. 00;15;47;13 - 00;15;51;03 Mark Yes. And she goes all boom. 00;15;51;03 - 00;15;52;12 Sarah And she doesn't really. 00;15;52;13 - 00;15;55;09 Mark No, she doesn't. She does. A very subdued psychic. 00;15;55;09 - 00;15;57;03 Sarah Yeah, she's very subtle. Yeah. 00;15;57;12 - 00;16;01;23 Mark I like the character. I like the actress. She didn't pick me up. 00;16;01;23 - 00;16;19;05 Sarah This is the Maria Del Mar is never shaken, you know. So I went. I went looking for other things that Spiritualists did to be convincing. And of course, there's a ton. What do you think of when you think of, like, the. The things that spiritualists did. 00;16;19;07 - 00;16;32;05 Mark Their eyes roll back in your head. There's knocks on the table, there's strange sounds, there's furniture moving, There's like, lights and candles going in or on and off. 00;16;32;27 - 00;16;42;08 Sarah All of those things. There were other things the Fox sisters, who most people probably have heard of, they sort of started spiritualism. Yeah, they were from Bellville. 00;16;42;08 - 00;16;42;22 Mark Belleville. 00;16;42;23 - 00;16;46;15 Sarah Ontario, but they became famous once they moved to New York. 00;16;46;24 - 00;16;48;24 Mark Hey, Ken, our friend in Belgium. 00;16;48;24 - 00;16;59;06 Sarah Yeah, apparently they cracked their toes and did it loud enough that people thought it was somebody knocking on the walls. Like, Wow, how do you crack your toes? 00;16;59;08 - 00;17;04;20 Mark Oh, I could not crack my toes that loud. I can barely hear that loud enough. 00;17;05;02 - 00;17;09;25 Sarah Another thing that Spiritualists did was they wrote on Slate on little chalkboard. 00;17;09;25 - 00;17;11;22 Mark Total spiritual writing. 00;17;11;28 - 00;17;12;10 Sarah Yeah. 00;17;12;10 - 00;17;13;23 Mark So dramatic writing. 00;17;13;24 - 00;17;20;11 Sarah No, no, no, no. They would, like, put a blank slate behind their back and pull it back out. And there would be writing on it. 00;17;20;12 - 00;17;21;03 Mark Oh, okay. 00;17;21;05 - 00;17;41;07 Sarah Right. And they would claim the spirit wrote on it. But what they really did was they had a piece of cardboard that was the same color as the chalkboard that slid into the frame. So they would basically add that and whip it back out and go, Oh, there are words. There was one guy who wrote on Slate with his toes under the table. 00;17;41;08 - 00;17;42;22 Mark Wow, that's impressive. 00;17;42;22 - 00;18;01;19 Sarah So he would put a blank. He would say, Oh, here's this blank slate. I'm going to put it in my lap. I'm holding hands. So, you know, I'm not doing anything. And he let it slide down his legs onto the floor and he had a piece of chalk between his toes. He signed his foot out of his shoe right on it with his foot and then work it back up his legs without his hands. 00;18;01;20 - 00;18;03;15 Sarah That's back into his lap. 00;18;04;01 - 00;18;04;18 Mark That is. 00;18;04;18 - 00;18;24;22 Sarah And I'm impressed by that. They also had, of course, contraptions that could do things like ring bells. Yeah. Or, you know, make some kind of other noise. They had a lot of fishing line going on. They also I didn't know this one. There were spiritualists who claimed that their connection with the afterlife made them impervious to harm when they were in connection. 00;18;24;22 - 00;18;41;00 Sarah Yes. And so they would do things like hold hot coals in their hand or put their hand in a flame and they would coat their hands with this special concoction of chemicals. Yeah, that would prevent them from being burned. And that's nuts. My favorite, though, is ectoplasm. 00;18;41;06 - 00;18;45;15 Mark Oh, so ectoplasm a favorite of spirit photography. Yes. 00;18;45;24 - 00;18;46;22 Sarah But they would like. 00;18;46;25 - 00;18;47;26 Mark Throw up cotton. 00;18;48;00 - 00;18;52;23 Sarah Yeah, they would put a bunch of muslin in the back of their throat and then fish it out and. 00;18;52;25 - 00;18;56;29 Mark And call it ectoplasm. And then people laughed. And then people would. 00;18;56;29 - 00;18;59;01 Sarah Photographer photograph it. Yeah. 00;18;59;26 - 00;19;14;15 Mark So we also had to be very like, like the show here. They walk a very fine line and most of the people involved in spiritualism from the 1850s to the pre-World War two are all fakes and charlatans. 00;19;14;15 - 00;19;14;25 Sarah Yeah. 00;19;14;26 - 00;19;20;08 Mark So the vast majority. Yes, I would say that majority is 100%. 00;19;20;08 - 00;19;22;17 Sarah Because it starts with the Civil War. 00;19;22;18 - 00;19;25;08 Mark Starts with civil war and Crimean War. 00;19;25;08 - 00;19;30;21 Sarah Right. People wanting to reconnect with lost loved ones and people taking advantage of that. Yes. Right. 00;19;30;24 - 00;19;37;10 Mark Absolutely. And you get with that. You get new technology crossing that. And so you get photography. 00;19;37;13 - 00;19;40;15 Sarah Speaking of new technology, Murdoch's got a murder bag. 00;19;40;17 - 00;19;43;02 Mark He does get a murder bag. 00;19;44;09 - 00;19;46;13 Sarah And that's not even his floodlight. 00;19;46;13 - 00;19;51;08 Mark Bob Murdoch has a brand new murder bag that may be the name of the episode. 00;19;51;12 - 00;19;52;27 Sarah What's in your murder bag? 00;19;53;02 - 00;19;55;25 Mark Poppy's got a brand new murder bag. 00;19;55;25 - 00;20;06;29 Sarah He's also got is daylight in a box, which is some kind of battery operated for. Like Jack has that that flashlight that Doyle brings when they're looking for the body is for crap. 00;20;06;29 - 00;20;10;01 Mark Yeah, it is for crap, but it's really period specific. 00;20;10;01 - 00;20;11;22 Sarah Yeah, but it's really bad. 00;20;11;24 - 00;20;16;27 Mark It is. It is. So so they find a they find a hand in a body. Yes. 00;20;17;01 - 00;20;19;00 Sarah And then Julia shows up in a tiara. 00;20;19;04 - 00;20;19;14 Sarah Yeah. 00;20;20;07 - 00;20;23;11 Mark Julia was obviously somewhere else. 00;20;23;18 - 00;20;26;21 Sarah She says she says she was at like some kind of comedy. 00;20;26;21 - 00;20;27;20 Mark That was show. 00;20;27;20 - 00;20;27;28 Sarah That was. 00;20;27;28 - 00;20;43;10 Mark Horrible. And this is, this is something that we'll see later on in this season is Murdoch's science and murder saving Julia from horrible parts of society? Yeah, upper society like high society, I'm guessing. 00;20;43;10 - 00;21;00;06 Sarah Julia wasn't alone at this shindig. Yeah. So he saved her from. Well, the murder saved her from a bad date. Yeah, right. So for the station house to know where she is, she must tell them I have an engagement this evening. Here's where I'll be. 00;21;00;07 - 00;21;00;29 Mark Well, she would have to. 00;21;01;02 - 00;21;01;28 Sarah Come and get me. 00;21;01;28 - 00;21;06;19 Mark She would have told her help. And they probably called her house and the help. 00;21;06;19 - 00;21;12;19 Sarah And the maid said she's at the bad comedy show. Yeah. And so they went to the Comedy Tree. 00;21;12;19 - 00;21;15;23 Mark Ran over to the bad cop. Well, they probably send the other guy. 00;21;15;24 - 00;21;23;10 Sarah They. They send some uniform over there, right? Yeah. Who then has to like what walks through the audience looking for Julia. 00;21;23;10 - 00;21;25;17 Mark Who's like, I'm over here. Yeah. 00;21;25;26 - 00;21;29;08 Sarah Or do they, like, stop the show and say we need Dr. Julia Ogden? 00;21;29;08 - 00;21;35;15 Mark I would assume that in an intermission it happened because you wouldn't want to and you wouldn't want to break the show. 00;21;35;16 - 00;21;45;01 Sarah That's disappointing because I was thinking that she would have to like tell the desk sergeant that she was going to be away. And then that means that the sergeant has a list of all her bad dates. 00;21;45;10 - 00;21;46;11 Mark Though. That's true. 00;21;46;11 - 00;21;51;08 Sarah So we can refer back to the list of bad dates that Julia had been on that were interrupted by some. 00;21;51;13 - 00;21;53;25 Mark She's she's been on some bad day. 00;21;53;25 - 00;22;02;06 Sarah I have a feeling she's out on dates quite a bit. Yeah. She's got a nice tiara for the occasion and pretty earrings. She looks nice. 00;22;02;06 - 00;22;04;09 Mark She recognizes Doyle right away. 00;22;04;09 - 00;22;08;28 Sarah Everybody does. Yeah. As soon as they hear his name and see his face, they know who he is. 00;22;08;28 - 00;22;19;04 Mark He's very famous. And that's totally what? Like, Doyle was on literary tours in Canada at this time. Yeah, he was a known person. 00;22;19;16 - 00;22;22;10 Sarah And then they started talking about bullets. 00;22;22;10 - 00;22;24;08 Mark Yes. With Lasky. 00;22;24;16 - 00;22;26;15 Sarah Who in my notes is lasagna. 00;22;26;23 - 00;22;28;02 Sarah No, me. 00;22;28;13 - 00;22;35;21 Sarah Not because I misspelled it. I was just looking at my notes going, Why don't I write down what I'm. 00;22;35;22 - 00;22;35;27 Sarah You. 00;22;36;28 - 00;22;37;21 Mark Know, it. 00;22;37;21 - 00;22;49;16 Sarah Is like a sign he signed song. Yes. L.A. As as a genie. Yes. Is that right? Yes. And so it's like sign you. 00;22;49;16 - 00;22;49;28 Sarah It's like. 00;22;49;28 - 00;22;50;11 Mark Name. 00;22;50;14 - 00;22;51;12 Sarah Like lactose free. 00;22;51;12 - 00;22;56;04 Mark Lasagna is Alexandra. Lasagna. 00;22;56;10 - 00;22;57;26 Sarah Is he Italian? No. 00;22;58;03 - 00;23;03;28 Mark In fact, he was vehemently against the Italian school of thought in his area. 00;23;03;29 - 00;23;04;20 Sarah Is he French? 00;23;04;24 - 00;23;29;27 Mark He is a francés. Okay. Born based in Lyon. And his main rival was Lon Barroso's Italian school of thought on mostly on the prison and justice system. He does a little bit on bullets, a little bit, but mostly he is concerned with what justice is and how prisoners are treated. He is a prison reform which. 00;23;29;27 - 00;23;31;07 Sarah Also looks at. 00;23;31;07 - 00;23;37;29 Mark Violence. Yeah, with comments like every society gets the criminals they deserve and create. 00;23;38;00 - 00;23;40;29 Sarah Wow. Now that's on the nose, isn't it? 00;23;41;00 - 00;23;54;09 Mark He really saw. Well, at this point I'm not blaming come to America. I was he saw the problems He saw the problems of what prison of what prison was causing. 00;23;54;09 - 00;23;54;22 Sarah Yeah. 00;23;54;26 - 00;23;59;11 Mark People who went to prison for minor offenses and came out hardened criminals. 00;23;59;11 - 00;24;09;01 Sarah So the body belongs to Ida Winston? Yes. And they know that because she's got cards in her bag. Yes. In her pocket. Yes. Calling card. 00;24;09;02 - 00;24;10;01 Mark Calling cards. 00;24;10;04 - 00;24;12;23 Sarah Which are like business cards for just a person. 00;24;12;27 - 00;24;16;13 Mark Yes. Would you would presented the door. 00;24;16;15 - 00;24;25;01 Sarah Yeah. To prove who you are. Yeah. I think I would have had a bunch of them printed up and all kinds of different names just because they're official. 00;24;25;02 - 00;24;27;20 Mark You know, I'm might have been. 00;24;27;25 - 00;24;30;21 Sarah Did they call me lasagna? 00;24;32;09 - 00;24;35;28 Mark She and Mr. Pen is Miss Pencil here? 00;24;35;29 - 00;24;40;04 Sarah Oh, yeah. I'm Maria Del Mar. 00;24;40;04 - 00;24;41;16 Sarah No, you back me up. 00;24;42;12 - 00;24;51;03 Sarah So I was a member of the Toronto Paranormal Society. Now, the Toronto paranormal society exists now, but was founded in 2010. 00;24;51;05 - 00;24;51;22 Mark Yes. 00;24;52;02 - 00;24;57;13 Sarah There was not an organization of that name at this time in Toronto, as near as I could find. 00;24;57;13 - 00;25;00;25 Mark And it would not surprise me if they were Murdoch Fair. 00;25;01;14 - 00;25;13;15 Sarah You think? Yeah, maybe. I don't know, because he's pretty down on the psychics. He doesn't really buy into it. But that's not to say that Toronto wasn't a hotbed of spiritualism at the time. It was. 00;25;13;15 - 00;25;14;17 Mark It certainly was. 00;25;14;17 - 00;25;30;20 Sarah But I couldn't I couldn't find a group named exactly that. But Ida was a member of it. And they're basing this on I mean, there there were like a dozen of those societies in London that were dedicated to either proving or disproving some kind of paranormal. 00;25;30;20 - 00;25;32;28 Mark Activity all show up in Hellboy comics later. 00;25;32;28 - 00;25;33;03 Sarah On. 00;25;33;14 - 00;25;34;17 Mark Yes, they do. 00;25;34;18 - 00;25;58;10 Sarah I know they're either trying to gather evidence to prove that it is or isn't real or debunking Charlotte And yeah, but the thread I found through most of them as they wanted it to be true, but they didn't want the fakers to mess that up. Yeah, right. So, so they're like Doyle. They're looking for the evidence of it being real and trying to clear out fakers. 00;25;58;11 - 00;26;00;21 Sarah Yeah, like Houdini. Yeah, right. 00;26;00;25 - 00;26;03;04 Mark Doyle and Houdini were friends. 00;26;03;04 - 00;26;03;22 Sarah Yes. 00;26;03;22 - 00;26;05;05 Mark That is so weird. 00;26;05;05 - 00;26;06;23 Sarah They would have been a weird pair. 00;26;06;23 - 00;26;15;03 Mark That is so weird because one is clearly Victorian and one is clearly Gilded Age America. 00;26;15;09 - 00;26;25;17 Sarah So when I was looking for the Toronto paranormal society, what I found instead was the Journal for Psychical Research from January 1888. 00;26;25;18 - 00;26;27;04 Mark Oh, okay. 00;26;27;04 - 00;26;30;12 Sarah And an interesting story that I have to tell you. 00;26;30;13 - 00;26;33;23 Mark Okay. Some of the ghostly stuff. 00;26;34;02 - 00;26;52;02 Sarah No, no, there's no ghost shaking people. No, I was looking into trying to find a group of people who kind of did what they were doing. Yeah. And I found them. The way that I found them was through a story about them kicking a fake psychic out of Bellville, Ontario. 00;26;52;03 - 00;26;52;29 Mark Oh, excellent. 00;26;52;29 - 00;26;53;12 Sarah Okay. 00;26;53;17 - 00;26;56;27 Mark This is Canadian and fake psychics. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. 00;26;56;27 - 00;27;19;08 Sarah So? So here's the story. Okay, I'm just going to read this little paragraph for you. This is from the Journal for Psychical Research in January 1888, In 1883, according to the Belleville Intelligencer, Dr. Henry Slade was exposed in a most complete manner and the mark of his guilt in the shape of a prepared slate, the chalkboard was retained by his exposure. 00;27;19;18 - 00;27;41;16 Sarah He then confessed his crime, subsequently pleading, however, that the, quote, gentlemen had made him drunk. I'm being allowed to leave town and having made good his escape, he circulated a report that the exposure had not taken place with the genuine Dr. Slade, but with someone falsely bearing his name. The sheriff physically escorted him to the edge of town. 00;27;41;21 - 00;27;42;17 Sarah Wow. 00;27;42;18 - 00;27;43;26 Mark Get out of my town. 00;27;44;00 - 00;27;49;10 Sarah With a whole bunch of psychical researchers going, Yeah, Baker, We got your chalkboard. 00;27;49;21 - 00;27;52;24 Mark And totally played the. It was a me card. 00;27;52;24 - 00;27;56;07 Sarah The next paragraph, it's like we don't even think he's really a doctor. 00;27;56;26 - 00;27;57;22 Mark Really? 00;27;57;22 - 00;28;20;05 Sarah Really. You think so? Yeah. He was playing that slate trick. He's the guy who could write with his toes. Oh, Dr. Henry Slade. Dr. Henry Slade. And you have to say sarcastically, because it's not real. Yeah, They escorted him right out of Bellville, which, if you don't know Bellville, it's not a big place. No. Okay. It's a small town right on the edge skirt. 00;28;20;19 - 00;28;24;05 Sarah I mean, it's on the outskirts of. Is it even near Ottawa? 00;28;24;12 - 00;28;26;06 Mark Between Kingston in Toronto? 00;28;26;06 - 00;28;31;18 Sarah Yes. So this is a little place. Yeah. And they ran him out of town. 00;28;31;19 - 00;28;32;27 Mark Ran him out of town. 00;28;33;02 - 00;28;43;00 Sarah We'll post a link to this. This journal is very interesting because it also includes correspondence from the members of the Psychical Research Society. 00;28;43;00 - 00;28;44;09 Mark Excellent. Excellent. 00;28;44;10 - 00;28;48;01 Sarah On things that they have observed lately in their own investigations. 00;28;48;02 - 00;28;48;20 Mark Oh, very. 00;28;49;01 - 00;29;05;01 Sarah Fascinating. Okay, so I think it's totally logical that Murdoch thinks that pencil was involved. She knows where the body is, and if she's not actually psychic, she must have some insider information. So she may be connected. I don't blame them at all for thinking that he does. 00;29;05;05 - 00;29;10;12 Mark She he does the threat that killer will be found and then creepy guy is creepy behind him. 00;29;11;05 - 00;29;13;29 Sarah So the creepy guy as Liz Gargoyle. 00;29;13;29 - 00;29;17;13 Mark Or as I like to call him, Cletus, the slack jawed psychic. 00;29;18;05 - 00;29;20;26 Sarah You can call him that. But he's not a psychic. 00;29;20;29 - 00;29;22;08 Mark No, he's not a psychic. 00;29;22;10 - 00;29;23;10 Sarah He's her lackey. 00;29;23;11 - 00;29;26;09 Mark He's her Cletus, the slack jawed lackey. 00;29;26;11 - 00;29;32;07 Sarah Yeah, but his name is Liz Gargoyle. I mean, that's bad enough without giving him a nickname. Yeah. 00;29;32;08 - 00;29;34;05 Mark Liz Ga Ga. 00;29;34;05 - 00;29;36;09 Sarah Do you know where Liz Ga comes from? Because I knew this and. 00;29;36;10 - 00;29;38;09 Mark I do not know where Liz Ga comes from. 00;29;38;09 - 00;29;46;10 Sarah I don't either. But I can tell you there was Liz GA Collegiate Institute, which is the oldest high school in Ottawa. Yes. And there's a riding, which is. 00;29;47;18 - 00;29;47;24 Mark Where. 00;29;47;25 - 00;29;59;05 Sarah That is. Okay. There's a writing, which is like a province in man, like a city in Manitoba called Liz Ga. And the second governor general of Canada was the first baron of Liz Ga. 00;29;59;06 - 00;30;02;01 Mark That's probably where the high school got its name from. 00;30;02;02 - 00;30;03;24 Sarah Well, this kid is not related to him. 00;30;03;24 - 00;30;04;07 Mark No. 00;30;04;21 - 00;30;12;01 Sarah Liz Gargoyle is not the second baron of Liz Ga. He's you're right. He's slack jawed, he's a lackey, and he does the dirty work. 00;30;12;07 - 00;30;13;15 Mark He does the dirty work. 00;30;13;16 - 00;30;26;13 Sarah Which is going around, sneaking around, getting information. Yeah. Which is again, it was another thing that these the fake psychics did was they would interview people who know you when they knew you were coming for first. 00;30;26;25 - 00;30;29;12 Mark In the vernacular. That's called a hot reading. 00;30;29;12 - 00;30;34;17 Sarah Yes. They would gather information about you, feed it to the psychic so they could feed it back to you. 00;30;34;17 - 00;30;39;21 Mark Yeah. Did you notice when we go back to the police station here, there is a fancy old man who leaves. 00;30;40;00 - 00;30;46;09 Sarah The sort of Mark Twain looking guy. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, Thanks. And he stomps out in his white suit. 00;30;46;11 - 00;30;48;13 Mark Yep. He never to be seen again. 00;30;48;13 - 00;30;51;26 Sarah Whenever I see somebody like that, I think somebody won a contest. 00;30;51;27 - 00;30;52;17 Mark Yeah. 00;30;52;17 - 00;30;56;04 Sarah To be to be a murdoch extra. And that's his little scene. 00;30;56;04 - 00;31;07;11 Mark Now in this scene, somebody on one of the social channels that we're involved in mentioned to me that Murdoch has ginger sideburns and boy, can you see them. 00;31;07;11 - 00;31;07;27 Sarah Yes. 00;31;08;04 - 00;31;09;17 Mark In this scene. 00;31;09;18 - 00;31;27;24 Sarah I noticed that, too. And I wonder if they're fake, like if he cut his hair and they had to like glue on sideburns or something or it's the light. I don't know. A lot of guys have facial hair that's different color than the hair on their head. Right? So if you grow your sideburns long enough, they sort of become facial hair rather than. 00;31;27;24 - 00;31;28;16 Mark I guess. 00;31;28;16 - 00;31;29;02 Sarah They're. 00;31;29;22 - 00;31;40;21 Mark Very weird. I hadn't noticed it before. Now I can't stop seeing. But I have the A-Kid murder. Well, forget about that. Like every other case that I don't care about. Right? 00;31;41;11 - 00;32;02;28 Sarah They end up in the mortuary or in the morgue with Julia. Yeah, and she's. She's doing the autopsy on Ida, and she just shoves her hand right in the eye. Right. And like, she uses the forceps clips to, like, spread spreader flap open. 00;32;02;28 - 00;32;06;21 Mark You could see that she's shackled by her own body, and then. 00;32;06;21 - 00;32;10;11 Sarah She just, like, shoves her hand in there. 00;32;10;22 - 00;32;16;08 Mark Whoa, whoa. Cody Doyle is a little locally about how much he hates Sherlock Holmes. 00;32;16;09 - 00;32;22;06 Sarah And how he wasn't a very good doctor. And Crabtree, like, in the background, he is not. 00;32;22;10 - 00;32;37;18 Mark It's not the Doyle was a bad doctor. He is a victim of circumstance. He had a practice in Plymouth with the doctor. That's very much like Dr. Watson. And they were. So they had so few patients. That's when he started writing. 00;32;37;18 - 00;32;39;27 Sarah Yeah. To fill the time and make some money. 00;32;40;02 - 00;32;50;21 Mark And he also went into the area of eye surgery. And I like that's where he became a specialist in and there just wasn't enough interest in it and people didn't come to. 00;32;50;21 - 00;32;52;25 Sarah Him, so he just couldn't make enough money as I just. 00;32;52;25 - 00;33;00;27 Mark Couldn't make enough money. And then suddenly he, Sherlock Holmes comes out the the first novel comes out and cabango right away. 00;33;01;03 - 00;33;06;25 Sarah It's so obvious. Yeah, it's just so foreign to us to think of somebody with a medical degree not able to make money. 00;33;06;27 - 00;33;08;14 Mark It's very strange. 00;33;08;14 - 00;33;18;01 Sarah You'd have to be a pretty bad doctor nowadays. You just wouldn't be. I didn't have enough patients like that. Just wouldn't be a thing. Yeah. We meet Mr. Winston. Yes. 00;33;18;04 - 00;33;24;22 Mark Who doesn't even come to identify the body? How do you act suspicious? By being suspicious. 00;33;25;05 - 00;33;26;12 Sarah He's poncy. 00;33;26;14 - 00;33;28;01 Mark He's very punk, he's. 00;33;28;01 - 00;33;31;25 Sarah Snobby, he's mean, and he's not sad. 00;33;32;00 - 00;33;33;11 Mark No, not at all. 00;33;33;11 - 00;33;40;10 Sarah He's like, I can't talk to you about who killed my wife because you should be solving the murder of who killed my wife. Now I've got to make tea for all these people. 00;33;40;10 - 00;33;44;28 Mark Well, it's because he knew about the affair with Frederick Waters. But we don't know about him. 00;33;44;29 - 00;33;51;11 Sarah No, no. But he's also a doctor. Yeah, So he's totally affronted by Doyle. Yes. You know, you're just. 00;33;51;22 - 00;33;54;20 Mark Horrible fools who pretend to speak to the dead. 00;33;55;05 - 00;34;17;01 Sarah Frederick Waters. Speaking of which, is the head of the paranormal society. Yes. He has a horrible fake mustache that looks like it's horrible Face or horrible face. It looks like your mustache when you wake up in the morning. And it needs to be clear. It's just it's just like splattered on your face. It's not brushed down. It's like going every direction on either side of his nose. 00;34;17;14 - 00;34;20;28 Sarah The the offices of the paranormal society are very nice. 00;34;20;29 - 00;34;21;11 Mark Yes. 00;34;21;18 - 00;34;22;25 Sarah How can they afford that? 00;34;22;25 - 00;34;23;08 Mark I don't. 00;34;23;09 - 00;34;24;09 Sarah Know. You can't make any money. 00;34;24;09 - 00;34;28;05 Mark Must have lots of dues. They are all paid to use. 00;34;28;22 - 00;34;30;01 Sarah For expensive rugs and. 00;34;30;01 - 00;34;31;16 Mark Woodwork. I guess it's. 00;34;32;16 - 00;34;34;12 Sarah Their door is very pretty too. 00;34;34;24 - 00;34;40;03 Mark I'll tell you what's not pretty is the picture of the Queen. 00;34;40;03 - 00;34;47;16 Sarah While Bracken reads just like it flies on the queen. And he's not clean in Mom, she's covered in dead flies. 00;34;47;16 - 00;34;48;11 Sarah It's gross. 00;34;48;21 - 00;34;52;04 Mark She Has at least five dead flies out there. 00;34;52;06 - 00;34;56;18 Sarah We got a picture of it. We can prove it. There's carcasses all over Queen Victoria. 00;34;56;19 - 00;34;59;07 Mark Why do you come to mystery maniacs? 00;34;59;07 - 00;35;03;08 Sarah People like to count the dead flies on Queen Victoria. 00;35;03;08 - 00;35;07;25 Mark No, To tell you exactly what photo of Queen Victoria that is. 00;35;07;29 - 00;35;08;17 Sarah Oh. 00;35;08;26 - 00;35;21;17 Mark That is a portrait of Queen Victoria wearing her small imperial crown to mark her 66th birthday. It was printed in 1885. It is not anachronistic. 00;35;21;17 - 00;35;23;17 Sarah But didn't they just celebrate her birthday? 00;35;23;20 - 00;35;30;00 Mark No. Okay. This is the 66 birthday. In 86, they celebrate her birthday every year. 00;35;30;01 - 00;35;34;07 Sarah Yeah. So how old was she in the last episode with the fireworks? 00;35;34;07 - 00;35;37;25 Mark She would have been ten years later. So 76. 00;35;37;25 - 00;35;41;19 Sarah Wait a minute. Are telling me ten years is between the last episode and this one? 00;35;41;19 - 00;35;42;03 Mark No. 00;35;42;29 - 00;35;43;27 Sarah I'm confused. 00;35;43;27 - 00;35;48;18 Mark Ten years between when that painting was painted. Oh, this. 00;35;49;07 - 00;35;53;25 Sarah Right. I was like, wait a minute. If that was painted last week, how does he have it? All right. 00;35;54;21 - 00;35;59;20 Mark It was painted in 1885. Not naive. 1895. 00;35;59;21 - 00;36;03;12 Sarah Okay, I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm sure it took me a while to catch up there. 00;36;03;12 - 00;36;04;26 Mark It's also a photograph. 00;36;04;28 - 00;36;08;13 Sarah I was like, How is that non anachronistic? They went back in time. 00;36;08;13 - 00;36;12;29 Mark It's a photograph that is painted on. Yeah, like colored. 00;36;13;02 - 00;36;20;18 Sarah Yeah, They did that. Yeah. Huh. Sorry. My brain is all twisted up now. So they go back to see Mrs. Pencil. Miss Pencil. 00;36;20;25 - 00;36;24;10 Mark Who. Who changes her dress and her earrings. Every single thing. 00;36;24;10 - 00;36;26;25 Sarah Pretty much. Yep. And she's always overdressed. 00;36;26;25 - 00;36;27;08 Mark Yes. 00;36;27;13 - 00;36;30;20 Sarah For being at home. I don't care if she's got company. 00;36;30;20 - 00;36;31;19 Mark She's performing. 00;36;31;20 - 00;36;33;25 Sarah Maria Del Mar, the actress? 00;36;33;26 - 00;36;34;07 Mark Yes. 00;36;34;13 - 00;36;45;09 Sarah Now the answer is a beautiful woman. Yes. She's well put together. Yep. Aging well? Yes. And yet for some reason, they taped her temples. 00;36;45;15 - 00;36;46;26 Mark They taped her temples. 00;36;46;26 - 00;36;54;03 Sarah It looks like she had bad plastic surgery. Her eyes are real tight. Yeah, but it's not. It's tape. I've got a picture of it. 00;36;54;06 - 00;36;59;09 Mark I can prove it. She appears again, and we're got. We got to look for the tape and the ginger sideburns. 00;36;59;13 - 00;37;05;24 Sarah Yeah, because maybe it's the makeup artist who did those. Did the same episodes. Yep. Makes bad. But this. 00;37;05;24 - 00;37;11;06 Mark Is. This is not the regular dead person. This is Lisa, right? 00;37;11;13 - 00;37;13;17 Sarah This is Murdock's dead fiancé. 00;37;13;18 - 00;37;17;20 Mark And this is where he finds this string and follows it to find this. 00;37;20;01 - 00;37;21;18 Sarah Liz Ga in the closet? 00;37;21;26 - 00;37;22;06 Mark Yes. 00;37;22;10 - 00;37;30;24 Sarah Sitting there like what? Yeah, I hang out in the closet more. Poor guy. When he's not snooping on people, he's fixing window screens. I mean, he really can't win. 00;37;30;25 - 00;37;39;11 Mark And he kind of was like, uh, uh, yeah, I saw a murder, but I can't really tell anybody because it will. 00;37;39;11 - 00;37;40;19 Sarah I am gonna get fired. 00;37;40;19 - 00;37;41;01 Mark Out of a. 00;37;41;01 - 00;37;44;21 Sarah Job. Yeah, like, wait a minute, That's really important. 00;37;45;02 - 00;38;09;02 Mark But Mr. Pencil is very. But this is a long line and a character trope of women in Murdoch episodes who are business savvy in businesses that are questionable. We meet a madam later on like this. So behind the paranormal society is where Murdoch and Doyle talk about Lisa and that she is died of consumption. 00;38;09;18 - 00;38;14;08 Sarah Because that's where it is. GA Gall saw somebody carry a carpet wrapped at. 00;38;14;14 - 00;38;17;09 Mark This exact moment. Doyle's wife is has. 00;38;17;16 - 00;38;20;13 Sarah Has conceived in reality so. 00;38;20;13 - 00;38;32;18 Mark It gets super interesting with his wife and we'll get into it. More on the next CONAN Doyle episode. There's a little spoiler for you, but she was sick for a long time and it was very hard on him. 00;38;32;21 - 00;38;45;20 Sarah While a lot of people, when they had tuberculosis suffered for a long, long time. Yeah, it was one of those things where you either drop dead or you lingered for years and wound up going to live at a spa or something. If you had the money. 00;38;45;22 - 00;38;56;02 Mark And Murdoch totally does a great back up here where he goes, Oh, somebody decided to stress I was skeleton key for the entire city. 00;38;56;02 - 00;39;02;22 Sarah Here. Yes, of course he does. And Doyle's like, I don't hear you. Oh, I get it. Okay, let's go. And then they do one mo bullet. 00;39;03;05 - 00;39;12;09 Mark They do. They do bullet time. Bullet? Yes. This is like the Murdoch matrix. Yes. And I'm like, everything you find in here, it's completely illegal. 00;39;12;14 - 00;39;12;29 Sarah Yes. 00;39;13;09 - 00;39;15;04 Sarah Would that have been the case then? 00;39;15;04 - 00;39;16;12 Mark I don't know about then. 00;39;16;19 - 00;39;21;02 Sarah But I mean, the way Bracken Reed interrogates people, I think they probably are able to get away with some stuff. 00;39;21;09 - 00;39;25;23 Mark So Bulletin Bookcase finds a bullet in the book. 00;39;25;29 - 00;39;26;27 Sarah Do you know a book? It is. 00;39;26;28 - 00;39;28;16 Mark No, I do not know what book it is. 00;39;28;16 - 00;39;31;20 Sarah It is an Enemy of the People by Henrik Ibsen. 00;39;31;27 - 00;39;35;08 Mark Oh, my gosh. One of my favorite plays of all time. 00;39;35;08 - 00;39;39;21 Sarah Your favorite plays about a people covering up Bad water. 00;39;39;22 - 00;39;45;21 Mark Yes, I love that play. Why? I read almost all of Ibsen's plays in college. 00;39;45;26 - 00;39;55;15 Sarah Okay. So this play is about a guy who discovers that the water in a spa town like Bath, Right, is tainted and one's. 00;39;55;15 - 00;39;57;01 Mark Actually making people sick and. 00;39;57;01 - 00;39;58;28 Sarah Wants to expose that. 00;39;59;05 - 00;39;59;13 Mark He's a. 00;39;59;13 - 00;40;06;15 Sarah Doctor, but his in-laws have too much money invested in it and don't want him to tell anybody. And that's your favorite play? 00;40;06;16 - 00;40;08;06 Mark It is. It is the. 00;40;08;08 - 00;40;11;21 Sarah He's like Erin Brockovich of the 1880s And that's your favorite play. 00;40;11;22 - 00;40;17;12 Mark It is the unsolvable moral quagmire that is in every Ibsen story. 00;40;17;14 - 00;40;19;18 Sarah It doesn't sound very riveting to me. 00;40;19;21 - 00;40;21;14 Mark Yeah, I love that. I love that. 00;40;21;14 - 00;40;29;24 Sarah Play. Well, it gets shot. Yes, the bullet wedges right into it on page 143 or whatever it is. 00;40;30;00 - 00;40;36;11 Mark And then late one night, Murdock's in the lab. Did you notice it was murder? I get in the lab at night. 00;40;36;11 - 00;40;37;01 Sarah Yes. 00;40;37;12 - 00;40;40;23 Mark He's totally like a Bunsen burner and stuff like that. 00;40;40;23 - 00;40;42;17 Sarah But he has a big sad. 00;40;42;25 - 00;40;43;05 Mark Yeah. 00;40;43;15 - 00;40;46;04 Sarah He's thinking about lies on her horse. 00;40;46;04 - 00;40;47;15 Mark And kissing Casey. 00;40;47;27 - 00;40;49;28 Sarah Why didn't he give her a horse necklace? 00;40;49;29 - 00;40;52;00 Mark I don't know. Maybe she was into horses. 00;40;52;13 - 00;40;58;00 Sarah It seems like an uncomfortable necklace, so, like, it would poke you a lot. You have little pokey legs. 00;40;58;07 - 00;41;01;18 Mark He rushes over to Ms.. Pencil's House. Who is up? 00;41;01;25 - 00;41;03;21 Sarah She's a psychic. She knew he was coming. 00;41;03;21 - 00;41;05;03 Mark Knew he was coming. I guess. 00;41;05;10 - 00;41;06;11 Sarah She had time to put her dress. 00;41;06;19 - 00;41;09;15 Mark A close up. And they talked to Eliza. 00;41;09;15 - 00;41;10;15 Sarah In her red dress. 00;41;10;16 - 00;41;12;05 Mark It's a very touching scene. 00;41;12;26 - 00;41;26;24 Sarah Yeah. Okay. If you want to call it touching, I call it. You're going to ruin that dress rolling around in the grass. Malia, isn't that kind of public? Isn't he really Catholic and conservative? Aren't you guys married now because she's sitting on top of you in public? 00;41;26;24 - 00;41;27;19 Mark I think so. 00;41;27;27 - 00;41;32;18 Sarah Didn't she just poke you in the eye with her necklace? 00;41;32;18 - 00;41;35;21 Mark Giving him his pencil? Tells me he's married to her. Now. 00;41;36;01 - 00;41;37;29 Sarah I think you're more sentimental than I am. 00;41;38;12 - 00;41;38;26 Mark Yes. 00;41;39;27 - 00;41;42;25 Sarah But then he's in the lab working on his telephonic probe. 00;41;42;28 - 00;41;48;28 Mark Yeah. Here, Julia, here's a electric thing that I've given you to enjoy yourself. 00;41;48;28 - 00;41;50;02 Sarah Do you know what it is? 00;41;50;08 - 00;41;51;11 Mark I have no idea. 00;41;51;11 - 00;41;52;02 Sarah What it is. 00;41;52;02 - 00;41;56;10 Mark Because I knew you were going to research this, so I didn't research this at all. 00;41;56;10 - 00;42;10;09 Sarah So what he is made is basically a metal detector. Yes, Right. So that. But it's a metal detector. You can stick in somebody. Oh. To find the bullet. Yes. Right. Because of President Garfield. 00;42;10;09 - 00;42;11;29 Mark Yes. And that's mentioned. 00;42;12;03 - 00;42;20;22 Sarah You. If you've never heard of President Garfield, you should feel sorry for him. You don't need to know any of the details. But but I'm going to tell you, you know. 00;42;20;23 - 00;42;24;20 Mark Speaking of people who lingered, I know he got he lingered after being shot. 00;42;24;24 - 00;42;51;12 Sarah Oh, man. Did he linger? He is the linger of one girl. He was shot twice. Okay. They retrieved one bullet. The other one was lodged very near his spine. But they didn't know that because they couldn't find it. Okay, so he gets shot. They take him back to the White House, put him on a bed, and then various doctors come in and stick their dirty unwashed fingers and him digging around for a bullet. 00;42;51;12 - 00;42;53;08 Mark How on earth did he not survive? 00;42;53;18 - 00;43;04;04 Sarah He was in shock for a long time, I can imagine. Then Alexander Graham Bell shows up and says, Hey, I got this machine and it can find the bullet. 00;43;04;05 - 00;43;08;16 Mark Wait, is this a future Murdoch episode? You have to wait and see. 00;43;08;27 - 00;43;26;17 Sarah He's got this machine that can find the bullet. It's basically an early metal detector, right? Yeah, but it doesn't work. Why doesn't it work? Because Garfield's on a metal bed. Oh, jeez. So it just keeps going off and going off and going off. Right? He's lingering. He's getting sicker and sicker and sicker. 00;43;26;18 - 00;43;30;10 Mark These are like LED bullets so less seeping into his. 00;43;30;10 - 00;43;32;10 Sarah Body and dirty doctor hands. 00;43;32;10 - 00;43;33;02 Mark Dirty doctor. 00;43;33;08 - 00;43;49;15 Sarah And whatever flies junk floating around because they never So the wound up because they're trying to poke in. It was various things. Meanwhile, the only painkiller he would have had would have basically been liquor. Yeah. Okay. Eventually he can't even eat anymore. 00;43;49;18 - 00;43;50;21 Mark I can imagine. 00;43;50;22 - 00;43;58;26 Sarah So he survives the last two weeks on what they call nutritional enemas. They're feeding him through the other end. 00;43;59;01 - 00;44;01;00 Mark I don't need those words ever used. 00;44;01;00 - 00;44;05;15 Sarah I know. How long do you think he lived between when he was shot and when he died? 00;44;05;18 - 00;44;06;10 Mark Six weeks. 00;44;06;15 - 00;44;08;01 Sarah 79 days. 00;44;08;01 - 00;44;14;13 Mark Oh, my gosh. Almost three months. Yeah. Oh, what a horrible existence. 00;44;14;18 - 00;44;20;05 Sarah I mean, if what Murdoch has invented would have found the bullet faster, it's a worthwhile invention. 00;44;20;06 - 00;44;23;29 Mark And I love her school. Boy, he is a major subject here. 00;44;24;00 - 00;44;28;14 Sarah I made you. It's a it's a probe. 00;44;28;14 - 00;44;28;24 Sarah And. 00;44;29;07 - 00;44;32;10 Mark And she's really good at being like, Oh, thank you. 00;44;32;10 - 00;44;37;29 Sarah Julia does exactly what every mom has ever done. When presented with. I drew you a picture. 00;44;37;29 - 00;44;38;07 Mark Yeah. 00;44;38;21 - 00;44;41;14 Sarah Oh, that's nice. William. What is it? 00;44;41;24 - 00;44;44;12 Sarah I think. Well, thank. 00;44;44;12 - 00;44;48;21 Sarah You. That's very nice. Set it down. Forget about it. Anyway. 00;44;48;21 - 00;44;51;14 Mark Yeah. I don't think we ever see the telephonic probe again. 00;44;51;14 - 00;44;58;14 Sarah I don't think so either. No. Oh, Garfield. Oh, so bad. I just. Ha so bad. 00;44;58;14 - 00;45;07;18 Mark And here we have bracketed Reed and Crabtree in the comedic role of Let's provide the details of how to do Baskerville Yeah. 00;45;07;18 - 00;45;25;13 Sarah So everybody who meets Doyle is a big fan of Doyle. Nobody meets them and goes, Sherlock Holmes is stupid. No, everybody's like, Oh, you're that Doyle? Yeah, including Bracken Reed. I've read every story. I have an idea for your next one, Doyle. Like I killed him. I was tired of him. He's dead. 00;45;25;18 - 00;45;28;03 Mark Yeah. And they're all like, Okay, in the next story. 00;45;28;10 - 00;45;41;27 Sarah Yeah, but you're going to bring him back, right? Because here, here. I got a story for you and Bracken Reed's pitching Hound of the Baskervilles. Right. Which is the next story that he writes. Yeah, but it takes place before Sherlock Holmes died, right? 00;45;42;00 - 00;45;42;18 Mark Yes. 00;45;42;24 - 00;45;44;19 Sarah So it's out of out of time. 00;45;44;19 - 00;45;54;04 Mark An explanation of the Reichenbach Falls story, which is the final solution, is done as a short story that's released after Hound of the Baskervilles. Yes. 00;45;54;15 - 00;46;13;14 Sarah So Bracken Reed is pitching The Hound of the Baskervilles. And I'm just thinking, well, first of all, Crabtree should be a much bigger fan. Yes. Then they let him be. Yeah, right. Because Crabtree goes on to write adventure mystery novels. So he's. He's got to be a bigger fan. Yeah, I think there should be more of that in this episode. 00;46;13;14 - 00;46;19;23 Sarah Oh, I do too. But I think the two of them should be in cahoots trying to convince Doyle to bring Sherlock Holmes back. 00;46;19;25 - 00;46;22;20 Mark To, like, like, provide solutions to Reichenbach. 00;46;22;20 - 00;46;27;21 Sarah Falls. Like, he doesn't have to be dead. I know he fell, but you could bring him back, right? 00;46;28;18 - 00;46;31;10 Mark They could be like, Here's a puppet show. 00;46;32;00 - 00;46;47;24 Sarah This will demonstrate. This is how. Okay, so here's where Sherlock Holmes secretly puts on a parachute. Okay? So he goes over the falls, he floats down gently and lands on this pre inflated rubber dinghy, bounces off it back onto the cliff, runs away. 00;46;47;25 - 00;46;54;28 Mark No, we need a scene where Murdoch is like, the details are on my chalkboard. 00;46;54;28 - 00;47;00;09 Sarah He goes and Crabtree and I can read it. Taking over a huge chalkboard. 00;47;01;03 - 00;47;02;24 Mark Diagrams of the balls. 00;47;03;01 - 00;47;08;07 Sarah Complicated calculations, trajectories, no parachute bouncing. 00;47;08;15 - 00;47;11;21 Mark I've got it. It's station four theater. 00;47;12;01 - 00;47;12;24 Sarah Oh, yeah, yeah. 00;47;12;24 - 00;47;18;10 Mark Yeah, sure. So they do a reenactment where, Of course, Brackett Reed is Sherlock Holmes. 00;47;18;10 - 00;47;20;16 Sarah And gets to fall down the stairs of the station. 00;47;20;16 - 00;47;37;00 Mark House. And theory is Henry is Moriarty, and Crabtree in the dress from the big Yes plays like Dr. Ogden, who's in shape. 00;47;37;12 - 00;47;42;11 Sarah Right? Yeah, that would work. They could have convinced him they didn't try. No. 00;47;42;28 - 00;47;44;12 Mark That's a whole other one. 00;47;44;25 - 00;47;56;27 Sarah I want to see that chalkboard. Ever been great? Yeah. I don't understand. Carriage tracks is evidence now like there's. There's one, right. And there's two rats. But the two rats are not. 00;47;57;10 - 00;47;57;28 Mark They're slightly. 00;47;57;28 - 00;47;59;06 Sarah Deaf. They're not double wheels. 00;47;59;06 - 00;48;02;27 Mark It's totally, it's totally car tires and treads. 00;48;02;27 - 00;48;14;13 Sarah And all that. Yeah, but that wouldn't work, right, Because wouldn't a heavier carriage make it the same carriage heavier like with more people in it. Yeah. Make it slightly different. Right. Things. Carriage lighter. I would. 00;48;14;13 - 00;48;14;28 Mark Think so. 00;48;14;29 - 00;48;31;27 Sarah Or the mud is different. I don't think. I don't think it will work. There's something on Murdock's desk in that scene too, that I don't understand. Oh. When he's got the plaster cast of the, the treads over to the side is something that looks like a missile. Luna. Oh, do you know what I'm as a Luna is? 00;48;31;29 - 00;48;32;18 Mark What? To miss it? 00;48;32;18 - 00;48;40;22 Sarah Luna When you're chopping herbs, sometimes people use them as a Luna. It's a blade that's shaped like a circle, and you rock it back and forth. 00;48;40;22 - 00;48;45;19 Mark It might be like a pistol, mortar and pistol thing. Not scientific. 00;48;45;20 - 00;48;52;07 Sarah That's pestle or mortar and pestle, or it's not mortar and pistol. It looks, you. 00;48;52;07 - 00;48;53;17 Mark Know, there's a French guy with. 00;48;53;17 - 00;49;01;24 Sarah Bullet lasagna. It looks like a mezza. Luna. I don't know what it's. Maybe he, I don't know, chops up bullets with me. 00;49;02;03 - 00;49;04;14 Sarah Bet I don't. 00;49;04;14 - 00;49;10;10 Sarah Know. So we know that WATTERS is having an affair with Ida. Yeah, we know that. God goes out. 00;49;10;21 - 00;49;18;10 Mark Waters goes to the is supposed to be at the spiritualism talk. Yeah, Julia's there and Bracken Reed is there. 00;49;19;08 - 00;49;22;12 Sarah Bracken Reed's like, unfortunate. I couldn't get a ticket. Oh, here's a ticket. 00;49;22;12 - 00;49;23;23 Sarah Oh, thanks. 00;49;25;06 - 00;49;26;00 Sarah Yeah. 00;49;26;25 - 00;49;28;16 Mark He's not the best speaker. 00;49;29;07 - 00;49;49;29 Sarah He's not a good speaker. And Bracken Reed is not a good audience member. Oh, I love when Julia slaps him awake like nuts and them. But I think I would have fallen asleep, too. I mean, he's just. If you showed up for Doyle speaking, wouldn't you be like Sherlock? Sherlock? You know, like, I would think that people be like, Yeah, yeah, whatever. 00;49;49;29 - 00;50;04;19 Sarah Ghosts, whatever. Sherlock. Sir, you know, what? Does anybody have any questions for Dr. Doyle about spiritualism? Oh, I have a question. Could Sherlock have had on a pair of shoot when he went over the falls? 00;50;04;24 - 00;50;06;01 Mark Here's a chalkboard. 00;50;06;07 - 00;50;10;07 Sarah I've brought a diagram. I think he might have survived. Oh, I know. 00;50;10;13 - 00;50;11;09 Mark Where it is. I know what. 00;50;11;09 - 00;50;19;10 Sarah They could have done. They could have. They could have had a seance and pretended that Sherlock Holmes spoke to Doyle from behind the door. 00;50;19;17 - 00;50;23;10 Sarah And said, You do bring me back. I'm not. 00;50;23;10 - 00;50;27;20 Sarah Dead. He was not a real person. Oh, we can still bring him back. 00;50;27;21 - 00;50;33;07 Mark Still bring in Bird. Where is Murdoch? Murdoch is discovering the body of Waters. 00;50;33;07 - 00;50;37;03 Sarah Yes. Who has shot himself with the wrong hand and his desk. 00;50;37;05 - 00;50;42;18 Mark And. And then Murdoch shoots the bullet in the station. It causes everybody to freak out. 00;50;42;28 - 00;50;46;02 Sarah Okay. He would have told people he was going to do it. You would have been. 00;50;46;16 - 00;50;49;11 Mark In the hall. He totally would have told people. 00;50;49;13 - 00;50;51;27 Sarah It is nice to see the station house on full alert. 00;50;51;27 - 00;50;57;17 Mark Though it is the second time all of these are forgotten in the station and for the. 00;50;57;17 - 00;51;12;03 Sarah First time he did it in his office in the barrel. But you only see all these layabouts in uniforms, like get up and, like, take action. Yeah. So speaking of Doyle's speech, they did a beautiful job of the sign for the event. It's gorgeous. 00;51;12;03 - 00;51;14;26 Mark We all have the sign in the show notes. And in the real. 00;51;15;04 - 00;51;30;02 Sarah Though, in terms of signage, a lot of the text is really, really small. I don't understand that quite yet. It it made me think of all of the book covers of all of my favorite Sherlock spinoffs. 00;51;30;12 - 00;51;31;04 Mark Oh, yes. 00;51;31;17 - 00;51;32;27 Sarah There's so many. 00;51;32;28 - 00;51;35;07 Mark You've read quite a few Sherlock spinoffs. 00;51;35;07 - 00;51;45;18 Sarah Oh, many, many, many. I actually say I would have to admit that I like spin offs of Sherlock Holmes better than I like the actual Doyle. 00;51;45;19 - 00;51;47;19 Mark So when the Doyle stories. 00;51;47;23 - 00;51;50;00 Sarah I mean, throughout my life, I. 00;51;50;00 - 00;51;52;22 Mark Think probably first time high school for me, I read them all. 00;51;52;27 - 00;51;58;28 Sarah I probably read at least one of them earlier than that. Yeah, but I didn't just sit down and just like, pour through them. 00;51;58;28 - 00;52;03;01 Mark All cause I was like, in the Cyclops idea. BROWN And that's a natural kind. 00;52;03;01 - 00;52;10;11 Sarah Of, I think probably I read an actual Doyle story after I saw Jeremy Brett play Sherlock Holmes on TV. 00;52;10;15 - 00;52;11;12 Mark And when was that. 00;52;12;01 - 00;52;13;10 Sarah Middle school maybe. 00;52;13;11 - 00;52;14;07 Mark Oh, okay. 00;52;14;13 - 00;52;19;07 Sarah And I was like, Oh, those are really clever. I should go and read some of those. 00;52;19;10 - 00;52;19;23 Mark Definitely. 00;52;19;27 - 00;52;25;21 Sarah There are more spin offs of Sherlock Holmes that I mean, and. 00;52;26;02 - 00;52;32;02 Mark You know, one reason why it's in public domain, because none of Doyle's children had children. 00;52;32;02 - 00;52;40;17 Sarah Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, well, I definitely have nieces or nephews now who control the estate, though. But the stories are not part of the estate. 00;52;40;17 - 00;52;42;22 Mark But they're no direct descendants of Doyle. 00;52;42;22 - 00;52;53;28 Sarah Yeah. Yeah, I have so many favorites. Okay. Can I tell you about a few of them? Yes. And we're going to put links to all of these in the show notes. I highly recommend every single one of these. Okay. 00;52;53;29 - 00;52;56;19 Mark There's one of them that we both love intensely. 00;52;56;19 - 00;53;22;15 Sarah So these are all non TV or non movies that are spinoffs of Sherlock Holmes. So they're like different versions of him as a character. Or they take another, they take a smaller character from the stories and make them bigger. Like Anthony Horowitz, who wrote screenplays for Midsummer, wrote a book called The House of Silk, and the second one is called Moriarty, and they're both super good. 00;53;22;16 - 00;53;51;01 Sarah There's also another book that focuses on Moriarty. So Anthony Horowitz focuses on Moriarty and his Yeah, and their period and accurate and really, really good if you if you like. Anthony Horowitz. But then there are all these like other versions, other interpretations, or they put Sherlock Holmes in a different world, like there's a series called the KwaZulu Case books that are Sherlock Holmes in In a World Where to. 00;53;51;01 - 00;53;52;03 Mark Do is real. 00;53;52;04 - 00;53;53;17 Sarah Yes, in London. 00;53;53;17 - 00;53;56;02 Mark So it's H.P. Lovecraft crossover with. 00;53;56;03 - 00;54;00;02 Sarah Yes, Doyle there by James Lovegrove. Okay. And they're really good. 00;54;00;02 - 00;54;01;18 Mark They're scary. They're scary. 00;54;01;19 - 00;54;06;12 Sarah But Holmes is Holmes, right? Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, the basketball player. 00;54;06;13 - 00;54;09;26 Mark He is a well known writer and lover of Sherlock. 00;54;09;26 - 00;54;32;22 Sarah He's a huge fan. And he had another author named Anna Waterhouse have written a series of books. And again, they're very accurate to the original. If you if you like the Doyle stories, you'll like them. But then there are some just wacky ones, like there's a series called Holmes on the Range, whereas Holmes is America by the time they're written by Steve Hopkins. 00;54;32;22 - 00;54;39;06 Sarah SMITH They're very funny, but very clever. So like out in the Old West and stuff. 00;54;39;06 - 00;54;43;20 Mark There's a young Sherlock Holmes series there. He comes to America. Yeah. 00;54;43;28 - 00;54;49;26 Sarah These are more like Sherlock Holmes meets Wild Wild West. Yes, the TV show like. 00;54;49;27 - 00;54;51;16 Mark So it has like steampunk. 00;54;51;16 - 00;55;16;00 Sarah Yes, very steampunk western and really funny. Cool. There's a series by Colin Gleason that is Stoker and Holmes. So it's, I think, the daughter of Bram Stoker and Evelyn Stoker and a character named Mina Holmes who is like supposed to be Sherlock Holmes niece or something. Okay. And they solve crimes together. 00;55;16;00 - 00;55;16;28 Mark Oh, that'd be fun. 00;55;16;29 - 00;55;21;09 Sarah But my very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very favorite. 00;55;22;00 - 00;55;25;07 Mark Is the best offshoot Holmes series I've. 00;55;25;07 - 00;55;29;12 Sarah Read is a series called Warlock. Holmes by G.S. Denning. 00;55;29;13 - 00;55;32;19 Mark That is some of the funniest writing I've ever read. 00;55;32;21 - 00;55;40;06 Sarah They are hilarious. So Warlock Holmes is a warlock, but he's Sherlock Holmes, so. 00;55;40;06 - 00;55;40;20 Mark Kind of. 00;55;40;22 - 00;55;42;27 Sarah So He's a detective, but. 00;55;43;13 - 00;55;44;22 Mark He's also an idiot. 00;55;44;22 - 00;55;49;03 Sarah He's also like an evil magician and an idiot. 00;55;49;05 - 00;55;50;26 Mark Yes, very stupid. 00;55;51;02 - 00;56;12;00 Sarah But they are hilarious. And what G.S. Denning did was he took the original stories and then put them through the filter of Warlock Holmes. Right. So you get the Hound of the Baskervilles and you get a study in Scarlet and all those. So if you know the original stories and you read the Warlock Holmes book, you know what's supposed to happen. 00;56;12;00 - 00;56;19;04 Sarah So what actually happens in the books is so much funnier because you understand what was supposed to happen. Yeah. Oh, my God. There's so many times there's. 00;56;19;04 - 00;56;25;00 Mark A vampire and Frankenstein monster. Everything so good Cavemen there. Yeah. 00;56;25;01 - 00;56;27;13 Sarah So fun. It was a caveman on a bicycle. 00;56;27;13 - 00;56;27;22 Mark Yeah. 00;56;28;00 - 00;56;45;08 Sarah It's so funny. So if you. If you like Holmes at all and you like funny, you've got to read more like Holmes. I listened to them on audiobooks. Yeah. And the narrator is just incredible. I think I listened to all of them. I think there's five right now. I think so. I think I listened to all of them at least three times. 00;56;45;08 - 00;56;45;25 Sarah They're that good. 00;56;45;25 - 00;56;49;02 Mark They're fantastic. The last seance with Miss Pencil. 00;56;49;02 - 00;56;49;20 Sarah Yes. 00;56;50;01 - 00;56;52;16 Mark And we find out who the killer actually. 00;56;52;21 - 00;56;57;01 Sarah Because they set him up, right? They they set up Conrad Hunt. 00;56;57;04 - 00;57;00;05 Mark And we're like, Is Miss Pencil totally agrees with this? 00;57;00;07 - 00;57;01;03 Sarah Yeah, she. 00;57;01;03 - 00;57;06;23 Mark Totally goes along with this and does a good job of acting here. And then Bracken Reed shows up in in uniform. 00;57;06;23 - 00;57;19;11 Sarah What I don't like about this is that, well, first of all, they play on Hunt's emotions about his son. Yeah. Which I think is kind of cruel. Now, granted, he's killed two people. 00;57;19;19 - 00;57;20;27 Mark And they don't beat him. 00;57;21;00 - 00;57;26;20 Sarah They don't beat him or anything. But it seems kind of and then there's a sounds and he admits it is done. 00;57;26;21 - 00;57;30;21 Mark Yes, it is. Let's tie up loose ends now. 00;57;30;22 - 00;57;38;22 Sarah Over. Right. It seems like kind of a rushed conclusion. It makes sense that they would do it and then it works. But it just it just seems kind of rushed. 00;57;38;23 - 00;57;46;05 Mark I can see why they brought back Doyle, too. Yeah. There's so much of Doyle that they didn't touch on here that I'm sure they wanted to. 00;57;46;05 - 00;58;00;03 Sarah Yeah. And Bracken Reed shows up in his full police uniform like. Like they're a SWAT team to capture one guy at a seance. I don't really if they think he's that dangerous, that they got to put on their little hat, shouldn't they be protecting this pencil a little bit better? 00;58;00;10 - 00;58;01;08 Mark I would think so. 00;58;02;23 - 00;58;12;06 Sarah Hunt killed Ida because Ida was going to expose Miss Pencil. Yes. And Hunt believes in Miss Pencil because she's his only connection to his son. 00;58;12;06 - 00;58;16;26 Mark I think Miss Pencil think she's a real psychic, But she needs some help. 00;58;17;08 - 00;58;32;10 Sarah Yes, I do. I agree with you. I think she thinks that other people need to be bamboozled a little bit. They need a little bright and shiny. And so she provides that. But she thinks she can actually connect with people. Yes. Which I think she's fooling herself, but that's another story. 00;58;32;21 - 00;58;34;16 Mark Oh, get to other stories with her. 00;58;34;16 - 00;58;45;11 Sarah Yeah, he admits it. Right. So he killed Ida because she was going to out Miss Pencil. Yeah. That would have cut off his connection to his son. And he says he kills Waters just to confuse people. 00;58;45;12 - 00;58;46;27 Mark Yeah, to throw him off the scent. 00;58;47;00 - 00;58;49;03 Sarah That's a horrible thing to do. 00;58;49;03 - 00;58;51;23 Mark Yeah. To frame a person by killing them. 00;58;51;25 - 00;58;52;24 Sarah Not even that. 00;58;52;26 - 00;58;54;27 Mark Like, he could have framed him and left him. 00;58;54;27 - 00;59;03;16 Sarah Alive just to kill somebody. Just to help you get away with your murder. Yeah. Not because you have any reason. No, I mean, there's no reason. Yeah, really. 00;59;03;16 - 00;59;10;14 Mark It's a little tie up the loose ends here. And speaking of tying up loose end, Murdock gets the brush off from beyond the book. 00;59;10;21 - 00;59;14;14 Sarah You miss pencil nose that Murdock needs to move on. 00;59;14;15 - 00;59;19;16 Mark Yes, She is providing the self-help part of psychics. 00;59;19;19 - 00;59;27;04 Sarah Yes. One of my favorite parts of this whole episode, though, is how many times Julia makes a joke that Murdock doesn't laugh at. 00;59;27;12 - 00;59;30;00 Mark He doesn't laugh at any of our jokes. 00;59;30;00 - 00;59;35;01 Sarah It's constant. And I love that she. Just keeps doing it because it amuses her. 00;59;35;11 - 00;59;36;12 Mark She's funny. 00;59;36;12 - 00;59;55;19 Sarah It's like she needs to laugh while she's got her hand elbow deep in somebody's store ax or whatever. When she takes the telephonic tuner or whatever it's called, she barely wipes and blood off her hands before she picks it up. Oh, it's so nice. Thank you very. William. I got blood on it. Sorry, I got a sponge. You bet. 00;59;55;19 - 01;00;03;20 Sarah On the end of the probe. Did you see that? Like, what's that going to suck up when you use it anyway? Yeah, the whole episode. She's telling jokes, and he's just, like, looking at her. 01;00;03;23 - 01;00;07;26 Mark Yeah, So. And he rides off into the moonlight on his. 01;00;07;26 - 01;00;10;23 Sarah Bike, almost runs into the T-bones a carriage, and it's. 01;00;10;23 - 01;00;12;06 Mark Almost T-boned the carriage. 01;00;12;06 - 01;00;14;10 Sarah I turn on your light, dude. It's running for. 01;00;14;14 - 01;00;29;09 Mark Now. I did some research while we were talking a solo cyclist. He very famous Sherlock Holmes story is after meeting Murdock. So do you think Doyle was influenced by Murdock on the bicycle to write the solar cycle? 01;00;29;13 - 01;00;40;18 Sarah So Mark and I talked about this. We were joking around about how Murdock might have influenced Doyle. And like, when Sherlock Holmes comes back after Reichenbach, is he a little bit different? 01;00;40;21 - 01;00;44;05 Mark I've moved to Canada and now I'm in Toronto as a detective. 01;00;44;05 - 01;00;56;23 Sarah Yeah, I threw myself off the files because I was tired of all these people and then ran to Canada. And now my name is William Murdoch. And I'm a detective. 01;00;56;25 - 01;00;57;06 Mark Yeah. 01;00;57;23 - 01;00;58;19 Sarah In Ottawa. 01;00;58;25 - 01;00;59;10 Mark Yes. 01;01;00;25 - 01;01;07;07 Sarah And I ride a bike. So he did the bicycling. He wrote the bicycle story after this, after Murdoch. So maybe it was because he met Murdoch. 01;01;07;07 - 01;01;08;02 Mark Maybe it was. 01;01;08;04 - 01;01;13;02 Sarah He got inspired because he probably never saw anybody on a bicycle before that. No, no. 01;01;13;02 - 01;01;16;16 Mark No, no. One best corp. 01;01;17;00 - 01;01;22;05 Sarah Neither of them are all that impressive. But I got to give it to Ida because Julianne sticks her arm into her. 01;01;22;20 - 01;01;43;02 Mark I don't know what that prop is, but they do two good things. That prop looks like a real body because clearly they didn't stick their hands in the actress. And second of all, they don't go for the easy noise, right? They do do sound effects like that. Later I said, do. 01;01;43;03 - 01;01;44;03 Sarah You said do do. Yeah. 01;01;45;21 - 01;01;47;10 Mark They do sound. 01;01;47;10 - 01;01;49;01 Sarah I think that is the actress. 01;01;49;01 - 01;01;49;28 Mark Oh, you think it is? 01;01;49;28 - 01;01;55;03 Sarah Yeah. She's played by Carrie Ann Dougherty. I think that is the actress playing on that table. And they've. 01;01;55;10 - 01;01;55;19 Mark Got a. 01;01;55;19 - 01;02;03;20 Sarah Problem. They've put in appliance over her. Yeah, and that's what Julia's is sticking your hands into. So she's probably sort of feeling her up. 01;02;03;24 - 01;02;04;16 Mark Kind of, Yeah. 01;02;05;06 - 01;02;07;08 Sarah Through that appliance. 01;02;07;08 - 01;02;07;23 Mark Yes. 01;02;08;29 - 01;02;19;29 Sarah Don't mind me. I'm just going to grip your ribs here a little bit and pull this pig liver out, because that prop is absolutely believable. That organ that she pulls out is some kind of organ. 01;02;19;29 - 01;02;21;16 Mark Crabtree. Oh, my God. 01;02;23;08 - 01;02;24;07 Sarah After the credits. 01;02;24;21 - 01;02;26;24 Mark Well, Doyle comes back later. 01;02;27;00 - 01;02;32;03 Sarah Is the Toronto paranormal society going to survive this thing? So they have hundreds of members murdered? 01;02;32;04 - 01;02;37;17 Mark Nine. Well, I think they're going to show up and go, What are dues money going towards. 01;02;37;26 - 01;02;47;01 Sarah Your philandering with the dead lady? No, the founder's dead now, so. Yeah. And Conrad's not going to be a member anymore. No. Maybe Liz Guard will take it. 01;02;47;01 - 01;02;51;05 Mark Over and Miss Pencil. Yeah. Appears and adventures to come. 01;02;51;05 - 01;02;51;16 Sarah Yeah. 01;02;51;16 - 01;02;55;22 Mark I don't think she is quite as clean as some slack jawed yokel, though. 01;02;55;22 - 01;02;59;26 Sarah No, I don't think so. I think Liz Gah goes on to a another job. 01;03;00;05 - 01;03;00;28 Mark Yeah, I think so. 01;03;01;04 - 01;03;08;04 Sarah Because she kind of messed it up. He didn't hide in the in the cabinet. Well enough. He should have been dressed as an old lady back there. 01;03;08;12 - 01;03;09;12 Sarah Oh, hello. 01;03;10;14 - 01;03;16;26 Sarah I'm just the parlor maid waiting in here until I can be useful. Are you ready for a horrible movie? 01;03;16;28 - 01;03;17;23 Mark Oh, I'm ready. 01;03;17;24 - 01;03;24;01 Sarah I've got one truly horrible movie for you. Horrible movie that I'm going to bet you haven't seen. 01;03;24;04 - 01;03;24;20 Mark Okay. 01;03;24;26 - 01;03;46;19 Sarah It's from 1987. Okay. And Dan Lett, who plays Conrad Hunt, the killer is in it. Are you ready? Yeah. Here's the description. Detective Jim Bishop and Dr. Rachel Carson must find a way to stop a giant, monstrous insect that's eating people in her quarantined hospital before it procreate and spreads a deadly, deadly infection it's carrying. 01;03;46;19 - 01;03;47;24 Mark When. When did this come? 01;03;47;25 - 01;03;52;00 Sarah In 1987. Let me give you some taglines, because there's more than one. 01;03;52;00 - 01;03;52;15 Mark Okay. 01;03;52;16 - 01;04;10;06 Sarah They breed, they hatch, they kill. Maybe it's just a phase they're going through. There's a bad bug going around The third one. That was my my favorite. 700 babies were born at the county hospital last. Not one of them is human. 01;04;10;06 - 01;04;21;14 Mark Those are all fantastic. And there was kind of a run of these in the late eighties. Bond by, I would say, species. There's another movie by Del Toro. 01;04;21;20 - 01;04;26;18 Sarah But these are actual big bugs, like actual big bugs. There's a lot of larvae in this. 01;04;26;18 - 01;04;28;17 Mark I don't think I've ever seen this movie. 01;04;28;29 - 01;04;33;12 Sarah It's called Blue Monkey Watch. Yeah, it's called Blue Monkey. 01;04;33;12 - 01;04;34;21 Mark Why is it called Blue Moon? 01;04;34;22 - 01;04;48;08 Sarah I don't know. I don't know. It's called Blue Monkey. Later, rereleases on VHS in other countries called it Invasion of the Body Suckers. It didn't do any better, but it's called Blue Monkey and it's about bugs. 01;04;48;08 - 01;04;49;06 Mark Yeah, okay. 01;04;49;12 - 01;04;53;16 Sarah Yeah, Maybe they're just a phase they're going through. Maybe that's one for me. 01;04;53;23 - 01;04;54;07 Mark That is. 01;04;54;08 - 01;04;59;13 Sarah Why are you in front of me? Why are you okay? What's our next episode? 01;04;59;13 - 01;05;09;08 Mark Our next episode is Murdoch Season one, Episode five Till Death Do Part. I love this. 01;05;09;08 - 01;05;12;24 Sarah Episode. You say that every time I know. What is it? What do you? 01;05;13;01 - 01;05;17;06 Mark It's the episode where they find the groom killed at the church. 01;05;17;13 - 01;05;20;25 Sarah Oh, that's very mid-century. Yeah. For somebody to die at their wedding. 01;05;20;25 - 01;05;23;01 Mark Yes, it's very mid summary. 01;05;23;03 - 01;05;26;06 Sarah It's very dangerous to get married in any of these shows. 01;05;26;06 - 01;05;26;21 Mark Any of. 01;05;26;21 - 01;05;30;28 Sarah These. You just go elope and get it over with. Don't tell anybody. Yeah, and you might live. 01;05;30;29 - 01;05;38;17 Mark And this is like. Like spot on the nose dealing with things with Murdoch at the church and all sorts of things. 01;05;38;18 - 01;05;42;15 Sarah Yes. Yes. There's a lot of good themes there. All right. 01;05;43;04 - 01;05;47;15 Mark You can find mystery maniacs on Facebook, Twitter and email Reddit. 01;05;47;15 - 01;05;47;24 Sarah Yes. 01;05;47;27 - 01;05;51;27 Mark We also have a Reddit subreddit for both Miss. I run the one for. 01;05;51;28 - 01;05;55;13 Sarah Midsummer and son of a mystery maniac. Mr.. Oh, join in. It's fun. 01;05;55;13 - 01;06;16;08 Mark Go join it. There's a bunch of maniacs on there if you like. It's on YouTube. Hit the bell and subscribe and do all that good stuff. This episode goes out on the 13th of March and we will be returning on the 20th of March next week. Next week with Death Do us part Episode five of Murdoch. Mm. 01;06;16;24 - 01;06;18;00 Sarah All right. Bye, Maniacs. 01;06;18;11 - 01;06;24;17 Speaker 4 Maniacs is a. 01;06;33;06 - 01;06;38;02 Sarah M and it is out. Where does Cletus, the slack jawed yokel come from? 01;06;38;03 - 01;06;38;24 Mark Simpsons. 01;06;38;26 - 01;06;41;13 Sarah Are you sure? Yes. That is the original source. 01;06;41;13 - 01;06;43;28 Mark Cletus, the slack jawed yokel. 01;06;43;28 - 01;06;49;17 Sarah But yeah, You're absolutely sure? Absolutely. It's not deliverance reference. I'm like that. 01;06;49;17 - 01;06;50;14 Mark I can look it up. 01;06;50;14 - 01;06;54;01 Sarah Look it up. Just make me feel better. I meant to ask you that earlier, and I forgot.