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nutrients in organ meats that we
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Fiber. Fiber, yeah. Fiber, yeah.
Nowadays. Fiber, a lot of people

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eat the placenta, whoa, after a
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a lot of nutrients. There

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are tons of tons of nutrients in
the holy cow, geez, buddy, you

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look like a freaking character
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when you're done, I don't

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know if I would do that. We
definitely have to, you know,

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pop it in some olive oil. This
is the rich Redmond show. What

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is a is up, folks? Yep, your
iPhone, your watch, your clock,

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is correct. It is that time.
It's time for another exciting,

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always exciting, I hope. Episode
of the rich Redmond Show coming

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to you from beautiful Spring
Hill, Tennessee. We talk about

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great things like music,
motivation, success, whatever

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comes up in the room. Lots of
drummers. Drummers are the

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heartbeat of this city. Without
a great drummer, I mean, a good

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drummer can take an average band
and lift them to heavenly

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heights. A bad drummer can take
a superior band and just make

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the whole thing tank. Now, I'm
lucky that I'm talking to my

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good pal who is a great drummer.
He doesn't get to do it all the

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time, but he does have a gig
coming up at the city winery.

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He's gonna be playing in a Huey
Lewis tribute band. Jim

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McCarthy. Jim McCarthy,
voiceovers.com when is the gig?

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Jim, it is may 28

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at City winery, and it's the
heart of rock and roll. Dude.

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I'm so proud of you because
mentally, like, law of

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attraction wise, you basically
just said I'm gonna play drums.

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I'm gonna be in

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your BEN, yeah? And the guitar
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was in my is in my BNI chapter,
and someone connected me to him,

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and I invited him in. He became
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time I met him, I said, Well,
just be prepared that I'm gonna

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be your drummer.

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Nice guy, yeah, real nice. I
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I've never seen you play a gig
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first and the last time for
everything. No,

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no, you're they're gonna love
you. And you've been doing the

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immersion technique that we
always talk about, which is, you

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play along to the music. You
make your little charts, if you

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want to, but for the most part,
you're driving around, you're

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working out, you're living the
music. Every time you're in your

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car, you're listening to it.
Yep, you're air drumming. So

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it's going to be part of your
DNA. So I'm excited about that.

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Now, before I introduce today's
guest, I'm so excited about it.

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You wanted to talk publicly
about my incredible lack of

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knowledge about sports ball.
Yes, sports ball. Now, by the

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time this episode comes out,
somebody will have won the Super

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Bowl, that's right. And who are
you? Sports ball or the Super

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Bowl? Sports ball. Sports ball,
yeah, I don't know if we could

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say the Super Bowl.

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Why not? This the awesome bowl?
Let's just refer it as that.

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Yeah, yeah. It's all the
different copyrights they have.

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But the the Eagles and the
chiefs are playing,

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yeah? Those are like two
superpowers. You know, they

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always have been with celebrity
quarterbacks that have the

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girlfriends in the public eye.

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Well, there's a Travis Kelsey
being on the Chiefs is dating

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Taylor Swift. And, you know, I
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there's a proposal coming
Sunday, which means that the

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Chiefs have to win, and it's all
rigged anyway. So

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rigged, yeah, what is this
about? Conspiracy Theory, guy?

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Look at the past games with, you
know, several chiefs instances,

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and the way the refs call the
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interesting. They can control
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the game by certain calls. Well,
we're gonna open we're gonna

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open up this conversation to our
guest today. But the most

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exciting thing about Sunday for
me is I've checked what's on the

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menu for our hosts, and one of
these things is this creamy.

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It's like a chicken dip. It's
like this creamy. It's my

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favorite thing. So I'm going to
be just by the bowl of that all

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day long,

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right? Because you give yourself
permission to eat badly at Super

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Bowl. Heck,

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yeah. No breakfast, no lunch,
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it's almost like a second
Thanksgiving. Yeah, okay, let's

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this. Because this guy, I mean,
I would be, I wouldn't have a

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career in Nashville, because
this guy was so nice to me in

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1919 97 when I moved to
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already been here four years,
hailing from Houston, Texas,

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calling Nashville, Tennessee
home for 33 years. He is an

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amazing drummer. He's been
playing with his artist, Dirks

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Bentley for the same amount of
time that I've been playing with

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Al Dean, 26 years. He's played
on two number one songs, two

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Grammy needed nominated
projects. Dirks Bentley over 20

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number one songs. We toured
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a lot of stories to share. Our
friend Steve misomore, What's

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up, pal? Thank you so much for
having me, dude. Thank

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you so much looking great in
that Dolce and Gabbana. Thank

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you, nice buddy. Some goat or
deer died for you. Some

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animal gave his life so I could
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Hashtag, cool. And everybody
should know that you and I are a

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long time DW endorsers you got
the hat on today. A hat on,

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yeah, yes. I love dw, yes, yeah.
And you're a maple mahogany guy,

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right? Um, actually,

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Maple gum. Recently I am. I do
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too, as well as maple kit. Yeah,

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my session kit is a maple
mahogany but for the most part,

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I'm always just a standard 1980s
technology off the shelf, shelf,

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Maple drum

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guy you cannot beat maple
shells, straight up, just maple,

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yeah, however, Maple mahogany,
which I've seen some of the

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stuff you've talked about, yeah,
especially for live touring and

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all that, is a front house guy's
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birch. Birch is not good or no.
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great too. It just Maple is
maple just has the power the

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mahogany in it just kind of
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just a little bit because

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mahogany, I think, was export
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that was the primary wood they
made, um

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exports, a lot of entry level
kits back in the day, like my

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first Yamaha stage drum set. I
forget the last stage custom was

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Philippine mahogany, which is
kind of a very affordable wood,

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yeah, but it's got a lot of snap
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yeah, it's still

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a good sounding wood. But

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again, birch are great sounding
kits. The Opry did have a birch

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kit for a long time. It was a
Yamaha recording company. It was

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a birch kit. That was a birch
snare. I remember that was like,

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I love it was a good sounding
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love me some recording costs,
but let

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me Can't you just tune a drum
the sound? Make it sound

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amazing, no matter what,

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for the most part, unless it's a
crazy bad out of round Yeah, old

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drum, or even the

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bearing edges are off just a
bit, yeah? Maybe

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so. But the thing about dw is
that particularly, their true

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tone, their the lugs on there
are, there's a higher thread

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count, yeah? So you can really
get things dialed. And just the

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way that they have their build,
you cannot mess up a DW drum.

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Yeah, I've never heard one where
you cannot just you hear the

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beat frequency, you can tune it
up just like that. They

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put the let, the note letter on
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the still tone. Tap them and
yeah, freaking crazy. Yes.

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It's like a polite suggestion.
Yeah, it's not that this

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is where have you ever, like,
tuned him to the I

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have to say, I have not. I've
experimented

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with but unfortunately, your
intervals necessarily aren't

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gonna be Yeah, what you write,
you know aren't gonna be there,

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but, yeah, but I don't do that.
Yeah, I

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think it was Terry bazio. I read
in an interview one time he

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talked about the musical note
intervals that he had on all his

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times. I'm going, Are you
serious, like,

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a chromatic kit, right? Yeah.
So, well,

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he's from another planet. Yeah,
you played on his kit right over

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there, yeah, at dw, and I've sat
behind it is, it's just, where

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do you begin? I can't, he does.
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you work your way left to right
somehow, yeah? But I get

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to left and like, Okay, that's
good.

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It's basically like playing a
piano that is drums

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right, times 10, right, yeah,

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yeah. Our friend Victor Salazar,
you know the drum was for

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Chicago. Yeah, he's very much
inspired by Terry, and he has a

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Terry bazio inspired drum set.
So have you ever,

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yes, I have played on that kit
live a long time ago, went to

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Victor's place. Yeah? And yeah,
he's got that kit. And, you

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know, God, that's about all I
could. He goes, have as much

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fun. There's two kids, yeah, I
think, Oh,

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he's got spokes and he's got,
like, trash can lids on a remote

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high hat. Yeah, he's that guy.
Now, it's funny, um, there's,

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there's a kid named Wayne
Wilburn, and he was Terry's tech

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for the longest of time, but we
went together at school,

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together at Texas Tech
University, and then when he got

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out of school, he moved to
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Terry was living in Austin, and
I think Wayne was working as

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either like a sous chef, or he
was making sushi or something

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with a Sue sound. And Terry met
him at this restaurant and said,

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Hey, kid, you want to so he
traveled the world with Terry

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for decades, and he had tuned
those drums every day, wow, set

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him up, yes, very early. That
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be an interesting YouTube video
to watch, to watch the guy.

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That would be great time lapse
and speed it up. Like, yeah,

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sure. Like, Portnoy

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needs to do that for his kid
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monster. He's going to be here
Monday, apparently. Oh, and

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you're going to see him. I am
nice. You were invited. Jim

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likes the Dream Theater, yeah,
yeah. I like, you know, the

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occasional girl in the audience,
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wow, ouch. We're a rush guy.
Were you? I

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But as of in their later years,
I believe rush had a much

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heavier female presence in their
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when they started adding the
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You ever see that the College
Humor with Paul Rudd and the

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other guy, Jason

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Sudeikis, not so DECA. Jason.
Um, born that.

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Jason Bourne, yeah, but anyway,
it was the same guys from, I

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love you, man. Oh yeah, nice.
And they go backstage to meet

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the band, and I think Jason eats
Neil's sandwich. Jason Siegel.

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Siegel, that's right. And that's
when they go, you know, the the

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modern day war today is Tom soy
and Getty's looking at, did you

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just say Tom soy? That's what
you say. Like, I don't say that.

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He goes, Yeah, you do. It's a
very you've now, you've never

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seen

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the link. I have not. I really
got, I don't think I've

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seen this is a brilliant film.
He is. He really is, yeah, yeah.

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I really enjoy his movies.

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Yeah, that Neil gets upset
because they ate his sandwich. I

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did not, I've not seen this.
Yeah, yeah. And it basically be

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like, I think, I think Neil even
says, as they're walking back

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off stage, which probably never
happened, because I think Neil

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just bolted all the time, yeah.
He says, You know, I think I

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counted five females in the
audience,

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the only one now, Jules Thomas
loves rush. You know the DW

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educational director.

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Oh, yeah. Okay. She Yeah. She
loves rush, man. Have you seen

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the documentary? Which one
document? Yeah, it

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was, How many were there from
the latest one? There was one in

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2011 2012 and my wife and I
watched it. She kind of humored

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me because we were talking about
it where I worked, and I'm like,

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I gotta get around. You know, it
was called Beyond the light at

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stage. And I asked Courtney,
hey, you know, do you mind

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watching this? And she goes, you
know, if you want to watch it,

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let's put it on so we watched
it. She said, you know, that

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didn't make me a fan of the
band, but I have a deeper

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appreciation for what they do.

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It was the one that had more of
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people, as players. It showed
where they came from, and all of

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that kind of I thought it was
amazing. I was a huge rush. Was

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that the one where they was in
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at the end, they're all sitting
at the table getting hammered,

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probably, yeah, they're all
freaking just

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sloshed, yeah, I just remember
it was just really, really, it

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was well done. It was like, well
deserved.

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The one that they did for the
very last tour was interesting

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as well, because it really goes
into, like they shut everything

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down because Neil was just done,
yeah, he says, You don't

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realize, you know, going into
being 60 years old playing this

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music, it's a marathon. You
know? It is so physically

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taxing. Your hands hurt, your
feet hurt. And he was more

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interested in mapping out the
next motorcycle route to the

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next show.

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That was his happy place. I was
Yeah. And now, you know our

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buddy, Chris stanky from Sabian,
um Jules, his husband is was

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very close personal friends with
Neil, so they spent a lot of

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time together. Mad respect. I
mean, that's a lot of music

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coming from three people. Oh
God. And to think that Walter

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Getty could play all of that
business

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and doing vamps on the feet. I
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that's five way coordination,

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yeah? And they see they all seem
like such cool dudes,

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yeah? Especially Alex seems
really funny. Yeah. You know, we

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were actually

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doing an episode of this show
with Cole Cole Marcus. Cole

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Marcus. And that's the day we
found out Neil died. It was

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during an episode I was doing my
executive producer thing,

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looking stuff up on the internet
and whatever, while you guys

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were talking. And you see my
visceral reaction of finding

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out, yeah, I'll never oh my
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jeez, buddy. All right,

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we had his bus driver. Neil's
bus driver was our driver for a

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sub driver for one weekend. So
naturally, I sat up in the

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front. Was asking him questions,
and he would drive his

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motorcycle and the bus driver
would follow him, but he just

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would ride his motorcycle to the
to the gigs or to wherever they

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were going, Yeah, and he had the
bus and he would just follow

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him, yeah,

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and then he'd somehow have to
sleep. At some point. He must

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have a strange schedule,
because, you know what I mean,

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because usually, like, you're on
the bus, yeah, sleeping, yeah,

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you know.

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Well, he would have to, you
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of him getting to the gig.
Somebody had to tell him, yeah,

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you know, totally, where's Neil?
I don't know, somewhere between

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Oregon and Seattle. He was
crossing between Montana and

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Idaho through bear tooth pass.
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not a motorcycle guy. I don't
trust myself. I have you ever

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ridden one? Not very scary, very
scary. I mean, like to dress

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like I ride motorcycles, right?
You know what? I mean, same. But

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I think that I would, if I got a
motorcycle, I would go 20 miles

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an hour.

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See, I got it out of my system
early. I was an early teenager,

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my father bought us, uh huh,
well, oddly enough, a Honda

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Odyssey. But it wasn't known
then as a minivan. And back

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then, it was a dune buggy, like
it had a roll cage and

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everything, big old off road
tires, and you sat in it had a

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steering wheel. It was called an
Honda Odyssey. And then the

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successor to it was the Honda
Pilot. Oh, same thing, same kind

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of engine and everything. And
part of that, my father was very

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good to us. He bought us a it
was a 1984 200 CCC, CCC, cc

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motorcycle, dirt bike that
actually I learned the concept

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of manual clutch and stick shift
on that motorcycle. Wow. Wow.

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And I wrote it off road, and got
my father did it, to get it out

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of our system so we wouldn't
have a street bike

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faster speed manual, five,

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five. But it was, you know, with
the gears. It gave you the

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concept of how a clutch works,
because you had to, you know, do

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this and everything. Your clutch
was on your left hand, and you

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did that kind of a thing, would
then go through the gears that

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way, like a slam, pretty much,
yeah, yeah.

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Sometimes me and my wife like to
take, we have a 2009 Honda

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Element, still owned an element,
yes, and we have, it's a fight.

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It's a stick. Sometimes we like
going to, like a nice restaurant

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in it, just to see the valet
kids go,

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what do I do? Yes, instant
security. You see, we

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see the kid jump in, and often
he jumps out, yeah, and he goes

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to somebody else, like, there's
always one guy, the older guy,

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the older guy, older guy. And
he's like, Yeah,

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I own four of those. And they
were never had the stick, but

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over the years, and it was, you
know, $20,000 or less, a great,

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reliable drama. Why

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did they stop making them is, is
I cannot? I mean, it's so

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stupid. They're amazing. They
and you can, yeah, they're just

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ours. Is still incredible. 200
200,000 over 210,000 something

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like that. Awesome. Yeah?

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Those vehicles that it was
deceptively large, yeah, the

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seats out of it. Yeah, you
could, you could fit, like

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another car in

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there, and practically can hose
it out just to, just to clean it

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out. My so Carrie and my wife's
a florist, a wedding florist. So

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has in the past. We have a van
now, but it was like we had it

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in the past. Have sometimes
packed that thing up full. Yeah,

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of stuff, yeah, hey, man,

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wedding florist, that is
lucrative. Yeah, because

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General, just, I mean people, I
mean, well, yeah. I mean, if one

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little bouquet like get, well,
is $150 and then they add the

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text, I'm thinking about the
amount of flowers that

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are about one 800 flowers. That
kind of a stash. She does, my

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wife just does carry an just
does weddings and events. And we

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used to have a floral shop by
Kroger in Providence in Mount

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Juliet. Yeah. And did that for
about five or six years, and she

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just kind of realized it retail
is difficult. It's so difficult

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doing that kind of thing. So she
loved, she loved, she loves the

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one on one with the bride. She
loves being able to meet the

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bride and the mom and make that
vision, her the bride's vision,

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come to life. That's the goal,
the entire goal. And in that

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process, it's done very, very
well. So she's usually booked

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out a year and a half. That's
weddings are kind of booked out

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that far. But she's booked out
she can work as much as she

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wants to. So

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is it a thing where, like, they
design it? So she has a

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relationship with a vendor.
She's got to go get the flowers.

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Pretty much still, she'll have a
meeting with the with the bride,

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and figure out, sometimes they
have an idea, sometimes they

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don't, sometimes they'll have a
look book or some sort of idea,

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even if they don't have any
idea, Karen is like, what's your

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favorite color? Let's go from
there. And then Carrie Ann will

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kind of mock up or come together
and say, Okay, this is a kind of

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bouquet we can do. And what your
budget? If it's too much, let's

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figure out. Let's figure out a
way to make it

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work for you. With dandelions
are in your more of your budget

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range,

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that would be more my budget
clovers Clovis,

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how long you crazy kids? Been
married?

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20 years, nice. 20 years has
passed, yeah?

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So really, kind of like right
after we were all doing because

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you and I, here's the deal. I
want to go back to Barbara's,

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but we were on the road
together, so you're, you're

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talking to a younger Jason l
Dean Dirks Bentley and Miranda

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Lambert all coming up together.
So playing like nightclubs,

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fairs, three quarter basketball
arenas, and we either opened up

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for you on some things, or we
would do things where we would

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take turns as headliners, kind
of a thing. And we were, at the

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time we're doing somewhere
between 180 and two, 200 chosen

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the year would have been oh
60708, something like that. So

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oh six would be coming up on 20
years. So you guys got married

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right around that time,

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2004 Yeah, yeah. Wow. Nice. Good
for you. Actually, remember,

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remember, you know, actually,
you know, here's this funny

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story as last year, maybe a
couple years ago, we were

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sitting in bed and watching TV,
yeah, and we were both kind of

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like, and I just realized, I was
like, it was June, like, the

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10th or 15th, or something like
that. And I was like, Oh my God.

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And she's like, what? And I was
like, our wedding anniversary

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was, like,

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two weeks ago. That's awesome.
We both forgot, right? And so

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we were like, oh, you know, we
went to Laughlin table last

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week. It's, it's our favorite
place. Lachlan tape went to

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Laughlin table. And I was like,
and I was like, well, let's just

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count that as they were like,
okay, yeah, that's how you

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marriage. Well, you

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got to do something special for
this year. That's what my wife

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and I did for our 20

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we bought a plane. Okay, forget
Barbara.

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Tell us about this. You know.
Because we were talking and

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burning through this, this great
concept of you, obviously your

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world class Dr, your career
drummer, when he started flying

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airplanes, flying

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airplanes started in 2013

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All right, so Dirks flies, yeah,
and we've both. Both are like

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aviation nerds, and talked about
he got his private pilot's

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license in in college, yeah, but
he hasn't flown in a long time.

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So when he made he started
having the kids started coming,

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he really was starting to get
that desire of being able to get

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back to the gig quicker. Our big
get home from the gig quicker,

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and was able to buy a Cirrus.
And he offered me the

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opportunity to go ahead and get
my private pilot's license too.

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So I was like, absolutely. So I
got my private also with the

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spirit that you would sometimes
be put to work, to fly the band

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home, to fly the hand home. Yes,
no,

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there would be FAA regulations
and sort of safety issues. Okay,

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we did not, all right, so, yeah,
I was flying, and then lo and

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behold, last year, it just kind
of made more sense to purchase a

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plane. Her name is Charlene, as
I told you earlier, since 1981

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152,

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wow. 1981

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plane, right? No,

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well, yeah, 40 something you're
considering a legacy plane. Yes,

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you could play, you could change
out all the engines.

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It's got a, it's got a fairly
recent engine in it, and you can

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change out other things. Got
good bones. So it's got good

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bones because she's a beautiful
plane. A lover. Yeah? So much

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fun. So much fun to fly. Yeah?
So me, my wife, we've gone to

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Chattanooga, and we've, we've
flown a little bit, and the idea

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is just to be able to fly to
Atlanta, see the god kids, or

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fly down to Huntsville, or see
friends, or, you know, within an

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hour flight kind of a thing, and
have fun.

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Who are you God kids? To

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Paul Hart. Paul and Allison
Hart. Do I know Paul will? He

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used to be an engineer, actually
at I worked with Paul back in

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the station, okay, all right.
And he got out of the music

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business, right? He got out of
the music business and they

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moved. They live outside of
Atlanta, North East of Atlanta,

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and that he works for a company
that does data acquisitions for

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construction. That's as close as
I can explain it.

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Data acquisition. Isn't that
what Elon Musk is doing right

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now? Probably. So let's open the
front lines and see what you

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think. Yeah, one 800 I made

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a political joke. Guys, oh my
gosh, great guys. Is the first

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time for everything. So I
remember Paul Hart now, now

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speaking about Sony, Sony tree.
This is kind of like, like a

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linchpin in your story. This is
a, it's just like, if you have a

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book that's a dog ear, you're
dog earing that page, because

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that's how you met Dirks, right
through Sony tree. No, not

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through Sony tree. Actually, he,
uh, he was playing down on

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Market Street, on Second Avenue.
Yep, that's a, it was a club

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right Market Street. Yeah, it's
still there, is it, but it has

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been shut down for years. And
then after the bomb, I'm not

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even sure what happened when you
were in the Christmas Day bomb

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and Christmas, I think there was
some damage, but I'm not sure. I

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don't really remember I played
it. We even played there, huh? I

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played there in the corner
Market Street is a little tiny,

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yeah, never had, never had
before. It's crazy. But he

437
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:24,080
called and was like, I do
bluegrass and 5060, shuffles.

438
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,240
And I was like, at the time I
was playing, it was post

439
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,240
Barbara's, and I was playing,
like, at Legends and a few of

440
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,520
those places that played country
music, yeah,

441
00:23:33,020 --> 00:23:35,960
legends and Roberts, how much
for the drummer in the window

442
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:36,080
too.

443
00:23:37,820 --> 00:23:40,300
So I was like, Absolutely, I'm
there. And so he went to these

444
00:23:40,300 --> 00:23:42,940
great players on that tiny
little stage there with the TV

445
00:23:42,940 --> 00:23:47,260
above you. And he would bring in
his pa at a big, wide his truck.

446
00:23:47,260 --> 00:23:50,380
He still has the same truck pull
up there and all that. And then

447
00:23:50,380 --> 00:23:53,680
Carrie Ann would come, would run
the tip jar, or his girlfriend

448
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,340
at the time would run the tip
jar. And any it's really good

449
00:23:57,340 --> 00:24:00,040
players. And it was just great.
It's just great country music,

450
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,420
yeah, and mostly bluegrass. Now
the Sony tree thing. How that

451
00:24:03,420 --> 00:24:06,660
happened? Yeah, I had a part
time job working at Sony tree in

452
00:24:06,660 --> 00:24:10,560
the tape room. I worked
originally on a project that was

453
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:16,500
you would take the archives. You
would take two track, two inch

454
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,660
or a quarter inch tape, two
track, reel to reel, yes, and

455
00:24:20,660 --> 00:24:23,180
you transfer that to digital
audio tape, to that tape, and

456
00:24:23,180 --> 00:24:27,620
then catalog and stuff. So this
is like listening to old demos

457
00:24:27,620 --> 00:24:31,580
from the 70s. What a cool job.
It was amazing. You're

458
00:24:31,580 --> 00:24:34,940
being paid to be educated about
the history of Nashville, 100%

459
00:24:35,420 --> 00:24:35,600
and

460
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,760
they used to have also, they
used to have it in the tape

461
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,980
room. They had a wall full 1000,
like 1500 to 2000 records. So

462
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,460
anything that they'd ever gotten
a cut on over the years, they

463
00:24:45,460 --> 00:24:48,100
got a copy of it. Just pull out
an album and listen to stuff.

464
00:24:48,100 --> 00:24:50,560
And this is at the time I was
working at barbers, when it was

465
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,020
like nine to three in the
morning. A lot of times I would

466
00:24:53,020 --> 00:24:55,180
at three in the morning come
back and do tape order,

467
00:24:55,180 --> 00:24:59,380
sometimes just till like six in
the morning, just just to come

468
00:24:59,380 --> 00:25:01,680
back and like. Listen to more
listen more tunes, and I'll

469
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,820
listen to old country. It was a
huge education on traditional

470
00:25:05,820 --> 00:25:08,700
action, you know, traditional
country music. So yeah, your

471
00:25:08,700 --> 00:25:11,700
shuffle is good. It was there
for a while. It's kind of

472
00:25:11,700 --> 00:25:14,400
gone away. Well, no one playing
a damn shuffle. But I remember

473
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,400
when I met you in 1997 at
barbers. Let me just tell you

474
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,260
this, the scene was Pat
McDonald, Lee Kelly.

475
00:25:19,260 --> 00:25:21,620
Oh, my God, Lee. Lee Kelly as
matter, if I got to give a shout

476
00:25:21,620 --> 00:25:24,200
out to Yes, he was the one that
recommended me to Dirks, because

477
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,780
he had played with Dirks down
there. And Lee Kelly was like,

478
00:25:26,780 --> 00:25:29,360
You got to call Steve misomo.
He, like, he's more cut out for

479
00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:32,480
this. Yeah. Lee wasn't, I don't
know if he wanted to do the gig,

480
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,600
yeah, but yeah, I've told Lee
too. I was like, Man, I owe you

481
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:36,080
a beer.

482
00:25:36,140 --> 00:25:37,700
Yeah?

483
00:25:39,020 --> 00:25:42,460
So that's just that our
generation, Pat McDonald, Lee

484
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,480
Kelly, me, Jim Riley, we're
going down to Barbara's, which

485
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,120
is in, which was in printers
alley. You had to walk down the

486
00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:55,600
stairs. And there they had music
seven nights a week, 365, it was

487
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,480
a real scene. Dudes playing
country music, and you were

488
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,960
always on the drums. And so Jim
Riley and I come with our

489
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,300
diligent shirt and our pagers.
He's

490
00:26:03,300 --> 00:26:06,120
gonna deny this, but he because
he has denied it before, but I

491
00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:08,460
swear to God, because it is
burned into my brain. When he

492
00:26:08,460 --> 00:26:12,420
came down to barbers, he had
long, curly hair. Yep, you you

493
00:26:12,420 --> 00:26:15,240
knew? Yeah, you guys fanny pack,
right? A fanny pack with a

494
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,600
zillion shirt Yep. And came in,
and I was like, in between the

495
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:23,420
break, I was like, I'm guessing
you're a drummer. And he's and

496
00:26:23,660 --> 00:26:26,780
he's so nice, and we met right
away, and he was kind of, he was

497
00:26:26,780 --> 00:26:31,160
into his North Texas State, so
he got up and played and stuff.

498
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,920
Was playing on the thimble
stands and playing on the way,

499
00:26:34,100 --> 00:26:36,260
yeah, it was crazy. Oh my god.
It was crazy.

500
00:26:36,260 --> 00:26:38,420
It was hilarious. He's like,
here's my showcase, here's my

501
00:26:38,420 --> 00:26:39,320
shot. Yeah,

502
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,820
here's my shot, right? But He's
amazing. He's incredible drummer

503
00:26:42,820 --> 00:26:46,540
today, even, and, and once he
kind of figured it out, but it

504
00:26:46,540 --> 00:26:50,320
was, it was fun because we were
living together. You guys didn't

505
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,320
you guys were roommates, yeah,
for a while. And then,

506
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,900
you know, he, he played on lower
Broadway, and then he got the

507
00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:01,320
chestnut cake pretty early on.
But you were so nice. You know,

508
00:27:01,380 --> 00:27:03,060
you were just a nice cat. You're
like,

509
00:27:03,180 --> 00:27:05,100
oh yeah, call me on a good day.

510
00:27:06,420 --> 00:27:07,920
It's like, I'm really not that
nice.

511
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,600
Come on up. So you just let
folks sit in Sure, yeah, kind of

512
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:13,680
part of the thing and stuff.

513
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,080
And sometimes it worked,
sometimes a day Fowler,

514
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,140
sometimes it didn't. Oh my god,
I thought about that name, Rod

515
00:27:19,140 --> 00:27:22,640
Jensen. Rod Jensen, yeah, he was
in Dirks band, yeah, the first

516
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:23,660
six years. He had

517
00:27:23,660 --> 00:27:26,540
a yeah tenure with you guys
who's in the band now?

518
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,140
Well, I don't even know their
names. I don't really wasn't

519
00:27:30,140 --> 00:27:33,140
Robbie Harrington in the band
for a while. Robbie Harrington

520
00:27:33,140 --> 00:27:35,900
was in the band for a while, but
now it's Cassidy season beyond

521
00:27:35,900 --> 00:27:38,660
base. That's right. Cassidy and
Tim surgeon, who has been in the

522
00:27:38,660 --> 00:27:41,320
band for 18 years. We did Pam,
tell us together. He did the

523
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:47,200
Dixie Chicks. He's Skaggs for
years. Great music, great funny,

524
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,460
funniest guy in the band. So dry
Dan hors on fiddle and guitars

525
00:27:51,460 --> 00:27:54,880
and stuff like that. A band
leader too. Charlie warsham,

526
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,660
that's right, because we played
this for a few years now. Ben

527
00:27:58,660 --> 00:28:03,420
helsin, who also Skaggs, played
in Skaggs as band, yeah. Am I

528
00:28:03,420 --> 00:28:05,700
missing anybody? No, I think
that's it, yeah. And then Dirks

529
00:28:05,700 --> 00:28:06,780
Bentley on acoustic. And

530
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,300
then your drum tech, is it still
Jay BJ

531
00:28:09,300 --> 00:28:13,020
Abner, I was doing drums and
bass.

532
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,900
Wow. Now, where did Jay go? He
got into, more into Road,

533
00:28:15,900 --> 00:28:17,160
managing a production. You got

534
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,740
into, yeah, I don't know he
think he's, I'm not sure who

535
00:28:19,740 --> 00:28:24,080
he's out with right now, um, he
got in. He was Production

536
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,040
Manager with us, and then he
left and went to, I can't, I'm

537
00:28:28,100 --> 00:28:29,120
not sure you

538
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:32,540
remember Miranda's early band.
There was a the drummer, Keith

539
00:28:32,540 --> 00:28:36,860
sabrosky. Remember Keith was
with Miranda, and then, because

540
00:28:36,860 --> 00:28:41,620
he was in a, he was in a pop
rock band, I forgot what it was,

541
00:28:41,620 --> 00:28:46,780
nine tails, or that one hit, is
the story of a girl, that one,

542
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,460
and I thought he was alive for
man, but he just, I just, I

543
00:28:51,460 --> 00:28:52,600
don't, yeah, he,

544
00:28:53,860 --> 00:28:56,440
you know, changes, not for
everyone. Were changes, yeah,

545
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,780
there were changes. Everybody to
you, there's gonna be some

546
00:29:00,780 --> 00:29:03,060
changes made, and you're
actually, yeah, everybody ended

547
00:29:03,060 --> 00:29:06,180
up getting, you know, being
having about 20 number one

548
00:29:06,180 --> 00:29:09,060
songs, yeah, if not more. This
is incredible, yeah. Well,

549
00:29:09,060 --> 00:29:12,480
thanks for letting me sit in
with with my fanny pay. It's

550
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:12,780
kind

551
00:29:12,780 --> 00:29:15,960
of crazy. This is you've done
amazing. And also, too, I wanted

552
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,380
to give a shout out to you. I've
always wanted to tell you this

553
00:29:19,380 --> 00:29:24,800
because you, thank you to you.
Thank you to you. This is

554
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:30,320
already getting weird, isn't it,
you are singly responsible for

555
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,400
putting national drummers on the
map. Wow, I think yes. If they

556
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,680
had to say, well, who did it?
Well, rich Redmond drop that

557
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,880
mic. Who's Who's told you that
before? Boom, yeah. So thank

558
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,160
you. Well, thanks. I met him

559
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,000
back in the day when we did a
lot of that, and I guess I had a

560
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,200
hand in helping you, I

561
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,420
would say, because Jim was
always like, shout from a

562
00:29:49,420 --> 00:29:51,640
mountain top all the world, you
exist

563
00:29:51,820 --> 00:29:54,760
and get all the video content
out there. We did, like, a

564
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,040
couple of videos where people
thought you were a comedian. Oh

565
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,840
yeah. People were like, This
guy's a drummer, or is he a

566
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,200
comedian? It's like, you know.
No, take it as a, you know, it's

567
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,120
one of those things that, you
know, you got a lot of shade for

568
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:07,740
it, but, you know what? Who
cares? You just

569
00:30:07,740 --> 00:30:10,380
got to persist. And you got to
there's only one you right?

570
00:30:10,380 --> 00:30:14,100
Every every snowflake that falls
to earth, this is crazy. That's

571
00:30:14,100 --> 00:30:20,900
proof of God, every snowflake is
different. Yeah, that's crazy.

572
00:30:20,900 --> 00:30:24,380
Yes. How many different ways can
you make a snowflake? You can

573
00:30:24,380 --> 00:30:27,080
make them the red. You can make
them blue, either way. I mean,

574
00:30:27,140 --> 00:30:28,220
cheese. I

575
00:30:28,220 --> 00:30:30,260
got a little political there for
a second.

576
00:30:30,260 --> 00:30:34,280
Oh, my god, wow. This is good.
Jim, you're next. You know,

577
00:30:34,460 --> 00:30:39,320
good. Here are my thoughts on
abortion. Is that a billboard?

578
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:44,380
Did you get that from Bill not
bill burr. It was, oh gosh,

579
00:30:44,380 --> 00:30:46,960
what's his name? The other, the
other, yeah, is that Bill Burr?

580
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,600
It was silver, yeah, it was, it
was another shouting

581
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,520
comedian. So one of the I

582
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,140
got, what's his name, it

583
00:30:54,700 --> 00:30:56,860
wasn't Sebastian maniscal. Edit
this

584
00:30:56,860 --> 00:31:00,220
later, the guy, the guy who got
canceled for a season,

585
00:31:00,340 --> 00:31:02,700
oh yeah, it was Louis

586
00:31:04,260 --> 00:31:07,740
CK. He touched himself, yeah, he
said he started out

587
00:31:07,740 --> 00:31:10,020
as act, yeah, I'm

588
00:31:10,020 --> 00:31:12,360
in Toronto and but I thought it
was Bill berth. I don't

589
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,800
know that I heard Louis CK do
it, and I thought that was

590
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:17,280
hilarious.

591
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,720
My wife surprised me one a few
years ago with the pre pandemic,

592
00:31:20,780 --> 00:31:23,180
with a great surprise. She goes,
we're going to Boston. She goes,

593
00:31:23,180 --> 00:31:25,400
I'm not going to tell you what
it is. I was like, Okay, let's

594
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,220
go to Boston. And we love
Boston. Boston's amazing. And I

595
00:31:28,220 --> 00:31:30,320
thought, you know, I'm kind of I
was like, I don't want to be

596
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,540
surprised. I want to be
surprised. I don't want to try

597
00:31:32,540 --> 00:31:35,000
to look it up and spoil it or
anything like that. Although I

598
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,160
did see that sticks was playing
in town. I was like, well,

599
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,620
that's that'd be kind of cool.
Yeah, I was a huge sticks fan.

600
00:31:39,620 --> 00:31:44,560
Was a kid and Todd, what's up?
And, and, yeah, is amazing. But

601
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,360
so we got to Boston, and she had
surprised me. Every year they

602
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:55,000
have a comedians at the garden,
the gadgets comedians or

603
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,000
something. It's a fundraiser,
obviously, yeah, and I'm gonna

604
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:03,420
forget David, Dave Chappelle.
No, not Dave Chappelle, but from

605
00:32:03,420 --> 00:32:06,300
up there. He just is in a I'm
gonna forget the name. I cannot

606
00:32:06,300 --> 00:32:09,000
believe in forgetting this name,
but I just remembered the story

607
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,620
a bunch of comedians from up
there, and a night packed house

608
00:32:13,620 --> 00:32:16,560
in the garden. We got they
messed up our seats, so now we

609
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,300
got third row seats. Nice. It
was unbelievable. And I thought

610
00:32:20,300 --> 00:32:23,120
that's what Bill Burr said,
because he was like, that is,

611
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,360
well, let's, well maybe, let's
calm this down. But no, you

612
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:33,860
could, you're but we saw CK in
Toronto, and so he could have,

613
00:32:33,860 --> 00:32:37,160
maybe it was that. So I'm your
memory, I bet is better than

614
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,960
mine. I remember seeing it on,
like, one of these Netflix

615
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,180
special kind of things that
popped up. I'm like, I'll check

616
00:32:43,180 --> 00:32:46,360
it out. And I probably watched
it for about five minutes until

617
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,180
I bailed out on it. But that's
how he opened it. There might

618
00:32:49,180 --> 00:32:53,080
be that might that's kind of his
style. Total dark suitcase just

619
00:32:53,140 --> 00:32:56,260
comes right out. Yeah. But the
thing in Boston was so amazing.

620
00:32:56,260 --> 00:33:00,180
It was I had never laughed so
hard. Laughter is such good

621
00:33:00,180 --> 00:33:04,260
medicine. And when you're third
row, you are in grave danger of

622
00:33:04,260 --> 00:33:08,400
being picked on. We thought, so,
yeah, fortunately, it was, it

623
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,040
was, I mean, it's so, I mean,
you know, it's the garden. So, I

624
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,140
mean, you're just so many
people. I mean, you guys went

625
00:33:13,140 --> 00:33:15,540
there, right? Have you played
there? No, no, not the garden.

626
00:33:15,540 --> 00:33:18,060
Have you you guys talking about,
you're talking about the Boston

627
00:33:18,060 --> 00:33:21,500
Garden, Boston Garden, TD
Garden, the Boston probably 10.

628
00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:26,600
We did it. We did the Boston
Strong concert with Harold Smith

629
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,380
and Boston the band, the band.
It was crazy. Another favorite

630
00:33:30,380 --> 00:33:33,920
Carol King was Steve Gadd under
rums, who, Yeah, that guy and

631
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:39,620
Gad we trust, well, well, man,
that is I, man, I appreciate you

632
00:33:39,620 --> 00:33:42,280
saying that dude is, uh, I'm
glad that we all benefited,

633
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:46,300
because Nashville is a it is
right up there with New York and

634
00:33:46,300 --> 00:33:49,300
LA as far as, like, a beautiful
musical community, and as far as

635
00:33:49,300 --> 00:33:53,440
the drum culture, like we are
thick as thieves, and we really

636
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,660
do lift each other up and
support each other, we do. We

637
00:33:55,660 --> 00:33:58,960
do tell ourselves that drummers
run this town, that we're the

638
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,020
only people we tell but yeah, it

639
00:34:01,980 --> 00:34:04,740
all starts with a song. But
unless you have that beat to

640
00:34:04,740 --> 00:34:07,140
bring it to life years, I mean,
it's poetry, just

641
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,220
leave it on paper.

642
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,120
So no drums, just simply poetry.
Well, it

643
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:16,500
really is. It's from a guitar
town, strictly guitar town into

644
00:34:16,500 --> 00:34:20,160
everything, yeah, yeah. And that
song that's really cool. Well,

645
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:24,560
songwriting town primarily,
yeah, but that's something fun

646
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,320
for me. And I'm sure you've seen
this too, or asking you if

647
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,220
you've seen this as well.
Probably for me, in the past 12

648
00:34:31,220 --> 00:34:37,520
years, the playing level
everybody is good, yeah, you

649
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:38,180
know when they're out.

650
00:34:38,180 --> 00:34:41,860
It wasn't like that when he came
to town, though. No, really what

651
00:34:42,100 --> 00:34:42,340
my

652
00:34:42,340 --> 00:34:45,520
experience was, uh, was a lot
different. There was, like,

653
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,180
because I came, like, coming
from Houston to here, when I was

654
00:34:49,180 --> 00:34:52,180
in high school, I would sneak
into clubs with a fake ID to see

655
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:53,680
Herman Matthews play. I

656
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,140
was gonna ask you about Herman.
Yeah, and so for those that

657
00:34:56,140 --> 00:35:00,240
don't know, Herman did his stint
with tower power. He was. He

658
00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:02,940
was, he was a Houston drummer. I
think he lived in Austin for a

659
00:35:02,940 --> 00:35:05,640
while, and he's been an Angeleno
for a very long time. Yeah,

660
00:35:06,900 --> 00:35:10,140
but he's, uh, he's incredible.
And so I used to sneak into

661
00:35:10,140 --> 00:35:12,900
clubs, and he was so nice, and I
could groom him and stuff, and

662
00:35:12,900 --> 00:35:16,020
yeah, answer questions and stuff
like that, yeah, um,

663
00:35:17,460 --> 00:35:19,320
but, uh, what's I saying? We're
talking

664
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,800
about the quality musicians in
Texas, okay,

665
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,980
okay, yeah. There were the
quality, the musicians, the

666
00:35:24,980 --> 00:35:27,200
musicians, oh yeah, when we
first moved in town, sorry, when

667
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,380
we first, yeah, when we when I
first moved to town, there's a

668
00:35:30,380 --> 00:35:33,620
couple guys you could go see
that were really, that were

669
00:35:33,620 --> 00:35:36,020
good, that were really, really
good. I remember Ricky guy named

670
00:35:36,020 --> 00:35:38,420
Ricky Sawyer that used to play
down at the bullpen lounge.

671
00:35:38,420 --> 00:35:41,440
Remember that the stockyard?
Yes. Go watch him play. I go

672
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,780
watch Mike Kennedy play. Mike
Kennedy guy, rest his soul.

673
00:35:43,780 --> 00:35:47,860
Yeah, and there wasn't that many
places after that that there was

674
00:35:47,860 --> 00:35:51,580
a few guys, the guys that, the
guy that played at skulls,

675
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:53,620
Johnny,

676
00:35:55,300 --> 00:35:57,700
Johnny Hyland, not to our player

677
00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:02,940
he played with, I can't believe
you get his name. This happened

678
00:36:02,940 --> 00:36:05,460
with, played with paycheck.
Yeah, he had a really, his right

679
00:36:05,460 --> 00:36:08,400
hand was absolutely incredible.
Used to do a lot of jazz stuff,

680
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,580
yeah, I think back today. But he
played at skulls. He was like a

681
00:36:11,580 --> 00:36:12,300
regular skulls,

682
00:36:12,300 --> 00:36:15,480
Rainbow Room is also, for those
that don't know, if you haven't

683
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,640
visited Nashville yet, we have
this thing called printers

684
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,800
alley. Barbara's was in there.
Skulls Rainbow Room was in

685
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,200
there. And I think it's been
revamped, and it still exists.

686
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:24,740
It's supposed

687
00:36:24,740 --> 00:36:27,260
to be an amazing restaurant, but
now it's been there. Supposed to

688
00:36:27,260 --> 00:36:28,760
be, yeah, supposed to be really
nice. And

689
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,480
also there is the bourbon Boogie
blues, urban street, yeah,

690
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,820
Bourbon Street, right? Is that
still there? That's still there,

691
00:36:34,820 --> 00:36:39,200
still there. Multi Level, funky
place with live music. 365 man.

692
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,160
I remember when they just first
opened up, yeah, down there. And

693
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,740
we go, like, on our breaks and
go see them play, and their band

694
00:36:44,740 --> 00:36:47,860
come down and, yeah, see us play
too. Remember Eddie Dunbar? Oh,

695
00:36:47,860 --> 00:36:51,340
yeah. I thought that whole, that
whole incredible era, yeah, this

696
00:36:51,340 --> 00:36:55,060
was the 90s guys. I mean, you
moved her here during the gone

697
00:36:55,060 --> 00:36:59,380
country boom. And then in 97
when Jim and I moved here, it

698
00:36:59,380 --> 00:37:02,220
had started to die a little bit.
It's it felt, it felt a little

699
00:37:02,220 --> 00:37:05,760
bleak. Everyone was grabbing at
straws, yeah. And then in the

700
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,760
early aughts we got the faith
hills and the Martina McBrides

701
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,180
and Faith Hill was the 90s.
Just, uh, well, yeah, you're

702
00:37:12,180 --> 00:37:15,900
right, you're right. Um, but
just the drums, the Shania,

703
00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:19,500
just, it all started getting
turned up, you know, started

704
00:37:19,500 --> 00:37:22,520
getting bigger drums. Bigger
drums. Lonnie Wilson, Brian,

705
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:23,720
yeah,

706
00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:26,780
but I'll say, as a drummer,
watching it from afar, because

707
00:37:26,780 --> 00:37:29,780
right around the time you guys
came to prominence with Dirks,

708
00:37:30,380 --> 00:37:33,800
was oh five, yeah, right, yeah.
So you've been already, you

709
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:34,100
know, free

710
00:37:34,100 --> 00:37:36,500
and easy, right? Is that the
first song goes a lot of

711
00:37:36,500 --> 00:37:36,800
leaving.

712
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,440
Left. What was, I think it was
the first hit? What was it?

713
00:37:39,500 --> 00:37:39,860
Lincoln,

714
00:37:39,860 --> 00:37:41,200
yeah, lot of leaving. Was

715
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,540
the first release, though, that
was no,

716
00:37:43,660 --> 00:37:47,140
no. I was like, maybe third,
third single, something like,

717
00:37:47,140 --> 00:37:47,620
because we,

718
00:37:47,620 --> 00:37:51,880
we, we both did the George
straight tour, opening for

719
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:52,540
George

720
00:37:54,700 --> 00:37:56,860
Amber Dotson. We played four
songs. I remember

721
00:37:56,860 --> 00:37:59,740
you and me talking about
Kennedy's kid, yep, and we had

722
00:37:59,740 --> 00:38:03,240
to play Kennedy's kid. Like,
it's just different. Just got to

723
00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:05,880
sit down and make it happen. You
can't. I mean, it's not going to

724
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,220
be set up the way you normally
say. You don't. You can't move.

725
00:38:08,220 --> 00:38:13,260
Nothing that's got to be, is he
a high cedar because that's,

726
00:38:13,740 --> 00:38:14,580
I don't remember.

727
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,660
We just, I think he allowed us
to raise or lower snare drum. I

728
00:38:18,660 --> 00:38:20,900
don't even remember. I don't
think I just sat down and

729
00:38:20,900 --> 00:38:23,480
played, yeah, it wasn't that
hard, actually for me back then,

730
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,760
just because sitting on, sitting
when you're when you're

731
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,400
clubbing, when you're gigging,
when you're just freestyling,

732
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,860
you're sitting behind all kinds
of stuff all the time, so you

733
00:38:30,860 --> 00:38:33,440
just kind of got to make it,
make it work, yeah? But I

734
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,080
remember both of us talking,
going, Wow, I don't even

735
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,500
remember what it was that was
crazy, either. It was nothing

736
00:38:39,500 --> 00:38:40,160
that was crazy.

737
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,960
It was all it was all arenas,
and we got to do four songs, and

738
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,920
you guys got to do, I think 45
Amber Dotson. She was supposed

739
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,720
to be the next big traditional
country gal,

740
00:38:52,780 --> 00:38:54,940
Sony tree actually, that's
right, she was a Sony tree

741
00:38:54,940 --> 00:38:57,040
writer, as a matter of fact. But

742
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:04,080
who was the Leanne Womack kind
of persisted and kind of beat

743
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:05,880
her out of the position. Yeah,
yeah.

744
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,760
Amber Dodson, I have not thought
of that name or heard that name

745
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:09,960
in years. Boy. She was

746
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,200
really good. She really was
really, really good. You guys

747
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,140
really. She had the big hair,
the big Texas country hair. He

748
00:39:16,140 --> 00:39:19,980
also was in that band. It was,
uh, it was Jason's band, yeah, I

749
00:39:19,980 --> 00:39:24,200
was, yeah, it was, you guys with
Gary Morse. She was basically,

750
00:39:24,980 --> 00:39:31,400
oh, sorry, me, Kurt Tully, Dave
ristrom from the steel player,

751
00:39:31,580 --> 00:39:37,100
from Luke Bryan, okay, forever
and ever. Now Travis toy is

752
00:39:37,100 --> 00:39:41,140
doing it, yeah, but yeah, that
was the bad, my God, I can't

753
00:39:41,140 --> 00:39:43,900
even thought about that crazy.
That is awesome that I just

754
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,740
grabbed that. Wow. He was

755
00:39:48,580 --> 00:39:51,460
right around the time in oh five
we were in Vegas, because I was

756
00:39:51,460 --> 00:39:55,720
in radio, and we started toying
around with an ocean, like we

757
00:39:55,720 --> 00:39:59,500
started looking in Easter to
easterly to start moving back to

758
00:39:59,500 --> 00:40:01,920
where we were. From but we
didn't want to go back to

759
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,340
Connecticut, so Nashville came
up as an option. Yeah, and

760
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:09,240
Courtney and I, at the time, we
took a vacation to go to Tampa,

761
00:40:09,300 --> 00:40:11,940
and because Nashville was on the
table, we started listening to a

762
00:40:11,940 --> 00:40:16,020
lot of country music. Yeah, and
at CMT at the time that was in

763
00:40:16,020 --> 00:40:18,720
heavy rotation. Was that song?
Maybe that's why I'm confusing.

764
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:22,220
A lot of leaving left to do was
that you playing on that video?

765
00:40:22,220 --> 00:40:25,280
Play on in the video? Yeah, we
shot, I remember we did, shot

766
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,280
the video at antones in Austin,
right? That

767
00:40:28,340 --> 00:40:30,020
like it was a motel.

768
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,100
Well, one of the scenes maybe,
so, yeah, yeah. I don't remember

769
00:40:34,100 --> 00:40:37,280
you look like, remember we did
antones? I remember that was

770
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:37,640
kind of

771
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,340
neat. It looked like Sebastian
Stan playing the drums, sure.

772
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,400
Yeah, Bucha. I've had, I've had
a few looks,

773
00:40:44,020 --> 00:40:47,200
but I remember thinking as a
drummer, going, these guys are a

774
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,260
lot more rock than anything,
yeah, you know. And that's what

775
00:40:50,260 --> 00:40:52,480
it really appealed to me. And
then, of course, we saw hicktown

776
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,760
Come out, yeah? And I said to
myself, Oh my gosh, I can play

777
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,280
this so much better. Totally,
totally,

778
00:40:58,900 --> 00:41:00,180
whatever. I mean, I have

779
00:41:00,180 --> 00:41:03,000
witnessed it. I'd say that in
tongue in cheek, but, yeah,

780
00:41:03,060 --> 00:41:06,600
just, but it was, it was really
like, and Dirks was a huge,

781
00:41:06,660 --> 00:41:10,680
like, driver of our love for
getting into country, good. We

782
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,860
so enjoyed that song, good. And
he seemed like such a cool like,

783
00:41:13,860 --> 00:41:17,160
he seemed just like a nice guy,
yeah? And he's, literally,

784
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,320
he's the same as what you would
imagine, what you see in

785
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,020
interviews and stuff like days,
yeah,

786
00:41:21,260 --> 00:41:24,800
he is just a nice dude,
approachable, you know, it's

787
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,800
like, for a bunch of side guys,
he didn't have to remember our

788
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,020
names. You know, he's the kind
of, like, Rich. What's up,

789
00:41:30,020 --> 00:41:32,720
buddy? Doing? Hey, I like the
shirt, but I like your shirts.

790
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:33,140
He was

791
00:41:33,140 --> 00:41:36,980
kind of like an early version of
you where he did that, and he

792
00:41:36,980 --> 00:41:40,480
knew that the politics of it
would benefit him, like he would

793
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,360
remember his people's names and
stuff like that. Apparently, he

794
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,520
was working at the Opry. He was
a grinder.

795
00:41:45,820 --> 00:41:48,640
He worked at tnn. Did he
actually at the same time I was

796
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,640
working at Sony tree, the
Nashville network folks? Yeah,

797
00:41:51,700 --> 00:41:55,360
and he was doing similar kind of
things, like archiving and that,

798
00:41:55,660 --> 00:41:58,300
I'm not even Yeah, he did some
archiving type stuff, I'm not

799
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:03,360
sure. And he would always sneak
in over the opry to a point to

800
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,600
where they were, like, they
contacted his boss over at tnn

801
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,600
said, Look, we love Dirks, but
he's been sneaking onto the he's

802
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,100
been around too much, right?

803
00:42:11,580 --> 00:42:15,900
Interesting. Get this guy here?
Yeah. It had to be is, yeah,

804
00:42:15,900 --> 00:42:19,440
remember, yes, yeah. I mean,
that makes sense. It's almost

805
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,220
like, you know, a lot of that,
that Dirks beat on a lot of his

806
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:26,720
songs, is that Waylon four on
the floor thing, yeah, cutting,

807
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:29,720
cutting. But it's, like, just
served up with like, a lot of

808
00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:33,020
muscle. So he's like, the new he
took over that groove.

809
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,420
He did. He really did. Yeah, I
mean, that was Steve Brewster

810
00:42:35,420 --> 00:42:37,820
that did the heavy lifting and
all those records. And Brett

811
00:42:37,820 --> 00:42:40,160
beavers was a producer at
station West. I think station

812
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,420
West, yeah. Luke wooden, I think
he might have CO produced that

813
00:42:43,420 --> 00:42:46,000
too, engineered it and, and
that's all that, and that's

814
00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:51,340
still there, yeah. JT, corn
floss, yeah, um,

815
00:42:52,180 --> 00:42:55,600
he was a guitar player on all
that stuff. Jim, fantastic

816
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,780
session player, yeah. And I, I
was lucky enough to do a couple

817
00:42:58,780 --> 00:43:02,340
things, not on Dirks and stuff
outside of that, and just yeah,

818
00:43:02,340 --> 00:43:07,500
just amazing. And, um, but they
that team, that team, just,

819
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:12,120
yeah, there's they. They had the
dirk sound at that time dialed

820
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,580
in. Yes, really, well, really
fun, really good. And now

821
00:43:14,580 --> 00:43:16,920
you're at it just, just this
beautiful part of your career.

822
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,020
We're talking about, hey, we do
50 shows a year. You guys

823
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,740
probably do around 50 shows a
year, and it's in a compressed

824
00:43:21,740 --> 00:43:24,380
period of time. It's not spread
over 12 months. So you can do

825
00:43:24,380 --> 00:43:26,900
other activities, and you could
plan your spring breaks and have

826
00:43:26,900 --> 00:43:29,720
a little bit of a life and not
just be No, can't make the

827
00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:32,060
graduation, no, can't make the
wedding, no, can't make the

828
00:43:32,060 --> 00:43:35,900
funeral, because we're just we
did man years

829
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:41,800
you probably have. We did, like
220 days might have been the 300

830
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,940
days on the road was the record,
was the record, I think, yeah,

831
00:43:46,420 --> 00:43:49,120
and I think we did, or we did
the longest stretch. We did 41

832
00:43:49,300 --> 00:43:53,920
shows in 45 days. I mean the
longest, the longest shops run.

833
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,620
But I mean you guys too. I mean,
it's like everybody, kind of,

834
00:43:56,620 --> 00:43:59,440
that's what I don't know about
nowadays. But, like, back then,

835
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:00,160
that's what you did.

836
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,760
I don't even know you have to do
it. Now, it seems like people

837
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,160
like, I'm not going to mention
names, but everybody knows who

838
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:11,160
they are. They just went from
their first single to maybe by

839
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,160
the fourth single. They're
playing sold out stadiums. Oh

840
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,040
yeah, because of Tiktok, because
of social media. Social media,

841
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,200
you could, you could affect a
larger group of people in a

842
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,020
shorter period of time. Whereas
back in the day,

843
00:44:21,020 --> 00:44:24,440
technologically, we had flip
flops, we had the CMT message

844
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,440
board, and we went out and we
played every rock club, we

845
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,380
played every county fair, we
played every state fair, we did

846
00:44:30,380 --> 00:44:33,860
the half basketball arenas. We
just played and played and

847
00:44:33,860 --> 00:44:36,140
played and you did two shows on
Sunday. Yeah,

848
00:44:36,740 --> 00:44:39,200
you know, it's been awesome. But
Jason did the same thing. Is

849
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,040
that Dirks would spend at least,
you know, even if we were doing

850
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,800
a festival, maybe only played 45
minutes or half an hour, he

851
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,340
would spend an hour and a half
signing autographs. Wow, like at

852
00:44:48,340 --> 00:44:51,220
that, you know, you go to the
table. He saw you. Saw the value

853
00:44:51,220 --> 00:44:53,200
in it. Yeah, absolutely, he knew
he knew what. We

854
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,020
actually went to the opry the
first time to see him. Oh,

855
00:44:56,020 --> 00:44:58,720
really, our first time at the
opry was reason why we went was

856
00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:01,320
because of him, yes, and it was.
Trace. Adkins was playing there

857
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:05,760
too at that night. And a couple
of it might have been Little Big

858
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,820
Town and stuff like that, but we
wanted to go see Dirks. Yeah,

859
00:45:09,660 --> 00:45:10,560
nice. How'd

860
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:15,480
we do? Fantastic. It was a lot
of fun. It's funny because I

861
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,180
think back to my days in radio.
There was a radio show called

862
00:45:18,180 --> 00:45:21,500
Opie and Anthony, and they had
this bit, and they were kind of

863
00:45:21,500 --> 00:45:26,360
racy. They were blue, where they
would listen to top 10 or 20

864
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:30,080
country music listings at the
time and try to guess what the

865
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,200
song was about based on the
title. It was a very funny bit,

866
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:37,880
yeah, but they taught Dirks was
on the charts at that time with

867
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,420
one of his songs. And they're
like, Who is this guy? It sounds

868
00:45:40,420 --> 00:45:43,120
like he could be a character
that Arnold Schwarzenegger

869
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,460
plays. I am Dex Bentley.

870
00:45:46,900 --> 00:45:51,580
Like, holy crap. That really
could be character. I don't

871
00:45:51,580 --> 00:45:52,660
know. I thought that

872
00:45:52,660 --> 00:45:57,100
was Dirk, Dirks digler, dux
Bentley, Dirks Bentley and Dirk

873
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:57,640
people need,

874
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,080
yeah, wow.

875
00:45:59,260 --> 00:46:02,760
You know it's a testament, it's
a testament to your, you know,

876
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,280
your the quality of your
drumming, and who you are as a

877
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,980
person that you've had this job
for since day one. Yeah, you

878
00:46:07,980 --> 00:46:09,660
know what I mean, it's like. And

879
00:46:09,660 --> 00:46:11,580
I think he's probably a very
loyal guy. I

880
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,000
would say it's a reflection on
him. Yeah,

881
00:46:16,380 --> 00:46:19,620
not to take away your great I
knew what I saw you in that

882
00:46:19,620 --> 00:46:21,920
video. Like this guy, he's a
freaking monster,

883
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,960
all your kind, he's but Dirks
is, he's just, he's just so much

884
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,080
fun. He just, it's just, you
know, and there's and there's,

885
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,060
there's been rough times too,
but, I mean,

886
00:46:33,980 --> 00:46:36,860
we've just kind of made it, made
it through and all that, but,

887
00:46:38,780 --> 00:46:41,320
but everybody in the band, this
band, particularly, I mean,

888
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,780
Charlie's the newest member, I
guess, really, and then Ben, but

889
00:46:43,780 --> 00:46:47,860
for the past 10 years, and it's
just so much fun. There's really

890
00:46:47,860 --> 00:46:49,120
no other way to put it. It just

891
00:46:49,180 --> 00:46:52,720
it needs to be fun, right? I
mean, that's a big perk of our

892
00:46:52,720 --> 00:46:57,160
industry. So tell us about the
alter ego hot country night.

893
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:58,060
I've never heard of.

894
00:46:58,060 --> 00:47:01,320
No idea what you're talking
about. Hot Country nights.

895
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,900
What's to say about the what
can't you say it? What can you

896
00:47:03,900 --> 00:47:08,700
say? Well, that 90 sounds so
great. Yeah. Well, we used to

897
00:47:10,500 --> 00:47:13,560
yearn. Maybe is, I don't know if
that's a weird word. Yes, it's a

898
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,920
weird word. So I'll use it yearn
to play something other than,

899
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,140
like our normal show, including
Dirks, or like, you know, we'd

900
00:47:19,140 --> 00:47:21,500
say, man, we should go, go back
to Robertson, but we can't do

901
00:47:21,500 --> 00:47:24,020
any of those kinds of things
without the bar owner knowing

902
00:47:24,020 --> 00:47:27,980
it, yeah, and wanting, they're
gonna make a they're gonna want

903
00:47:27,980 --> 00:47:30,680
to sell beer, and they're gonna
advertise for it. They want to

904
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,680
splash it. So we decided that we
were kind of trying to figure it

905
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,260
out. And I think Cassidy and Dan
kind of came with the idea of

906
00:47:36,260 --> 00:47:39,020
trying to, trying to play like a
VFW hall, maybe the one up on

907
00:47:39,020 --> 00:47:41,680
Gallatin, yeah. And Dirks was
like, I want to play too. I'll

908
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,960
play acoustic. I'll just put a
cowboy hat on and be in the

909
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,300
back. And we're like, Cool.
We'll play, like, I don't know.

910
00:47:46,300 --> 00:47:49,600
We'll figure it out stuff. And
Cassie, I think, was like, let's

911
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,600
do just keep it thematic and do
some 90s country kind of stuff.

912
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,400
I'm like, Yeah, that's cool.
That's cool. We all it's, you

913
00:47:54,700 --> 00:47:58,000
know, wouldn't have to reverse
that much, you know. We'll know

914
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:03,660
all that stuff. And somehow it
evolved into it, because we're

915
00:48:03,660 --> 00:48:07,860
always doing bits Anyways, on
the bus, on stage, anytime. It's

916
00:48:07,860 --> 00:48:11,700
always bits, you know, so and
it's always about the bit. And

917
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,880
then it kind of evolved into
this, into the into what it is,

918
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,360
into costumes, and then we
started making a story around

919
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,900
it. And these guys are from
moose knuckle, Tennessee, and

920
00:48:20,900 --> 00:48:23,780
they really wanted to back in
the 90s. They were gonna, they

921
00:48:23,780 --> 00:48:26,600
were gonna be the thing. They
were so close back. They were so

922
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,360
close. And now they're making a
comeback again. And all that

923
00:48:30,260 --> 00:48:34,400
John Osborne from was, was
playing acoustic guitar also in

924
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,340
the band, and it just kind of
evolved in there. And one thing

925
00:48:37,340 --> 00:48:41,800
led to, oh, we played, we did
play the VFW hall there in

926
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,700
Gallatin. Yeah, several times.
In fact, Dirks would even bring

927
00:48:45,700 --> 00:48:47,980
in, like, bought a bunch of
liquor, because they didn't

928
00:48:47,980 --> 00:48:50,380
have, they had some. They had
kind of a bar there, yeah, and

929
00:48:50,380 --> 00:48:54,760
they weren't doing that well.
And so he brought in a bunch of

930
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,580
his, his own liquor that he had
bought, and just said, Sell it.

931
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,040
You know, nice. The place was
packed. It was absolutely

932
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:05,880
packed. What was this man? 2000
Oh, 16, maybe. Oh,

933
00:49:06,300 --> 00:49:08,940
wow, I'm not even sure. Now, is
Mary Hilliard still your

934
00:49:08,940 --> 00:49:09,780
manager? Oh, yeah, okay,

935
00:49:09,780 --> 00:49:12,960
guys, she has, yeah, she's
stuck. She's stuck around.

936
00:49:13,140 --> 00:49:15,660
Mary's great love. Mary totally.
She's like,

937
00:49:17,340 --> 00:49:20,040
the Knights are gonna, they're
not gonna, it's not gonna work.

938
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:32,000
Oh, well, kind of has, but no,
but the VFW hall was, was such a

939
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,100
fun gig. And the neat thing
about it too, is like, when you

940
00:49:34,100 --> 00:49:37,220
walk in there, it's like, it's
smell like barbers, you know? It

941
00:49:37,220 --> 00:49:41,680
has the cigarette, yeah? Kind of
but, boy, it was so cool,

942
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,440
though. It was so much fun. I
was loading in my own drums and

943
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,020
setting, you know, yeah, and the
whole thing and all that. But

944
00:49:47,020 --> 00:49:50,980
then one thing led to another,
and then Dirks was able to talk

945
00:49:50,980 --> 00:49:54,340
to the gang at Capitol, and they
got some money for us, and we

946
00:49:54,340 --> 00:49:57,220
went and recorded a record. And
the songs were, were, some of

947
00:49:57,220 --> 00:49:59,920
them were pitch songs, some were
the some were co written. Yeah.

948
00:50:00,540 --> 00:50:04,080
Yeah, brilliant, brilliantly
done. Terry Clark was on it. I

949
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,720
have to go revisit this. I'm
ashamed of myself. Yes, it was

950
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:09,960
so, so so good. And like I said,
we had it teed up, and we did

951
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,440
Jimmy Kimmel. And Saturday Night
Live, we were on the radar. And

952
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,960
they were like, someday they go,
when you guys kind of get a

953
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,960
foot, you know, we definitely
would be interested in looking

954
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,700
at this. And we were going to do
Fallon and probably Colbert

955
00:50:22,700 --> 00:50:27,320
also, and the pandemic hit. Oh,
and man, it just

956
00:50:28,460 --> 00:50:31,700
so it's like a country version
of spinal tap. It's

957
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:32,600
totally cut. Yeah,

958
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,900
dude. Moose book, knuckle,
Tennessee. No. Do you have a

959
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,080
character? Who's your character?
Monte Montgomery? Yes, Monty

960
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:40,720
Montgomery. And you'll have to
go to

961
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:43,180
go to go to Hot Country
nights.com that's hot country

962
00:50:43,180 --> 00:50:46,480
nights.com, and you can, and you
can see a lot of the videos and

963
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,700
the bits that we've done over
the years and stuff like that.

964
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:50,800
Do you wear like, like a, like,
a mullet?

965
00:50:52,420 --> 00:50:55,300
He's not really a mullet guy,
but he's kind of matches his own

966
00:50:55,300 --> 00:50:58,300
thing. Okay? Enigma, Douglas

967
00:50:58,300 --> 00:51:00,120
Doug, Douglas son, you,

968
00:51:03,540 --> 00:51:07,920
holy moly, terror, terror, yes,

969
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:08,700
he's from Russia.

970
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,620
Terry's from Russia. How do you
how do you say that last

971
00:51:13,620 --> 00:51:16,200
name? It's just Terry. Terry.
It's just Terry. It's like

972
00:51:17,700 --> 00:51:19,560
he can pronounce it. You
pronounce it.

973
00:51:20,340 --> 00:51:23,180
See, you guys have created your
characters as a backstory, and

974
00:51:23,180 --> 00:51:28,040
then, and then all the in
between, Song banter is off the

975
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:28,400
cuff.

976
00:51:29,060 --> 00:51:32,420
Yeah, it ended up being like,
like, we we started to open our

977
00:51:32,420 --> 00:51:36,620
shows, like, in like, as you
guys, yeah, as nights, like,

978
00:51:36,620 --> 00:51:39,020
opening up whoever was the
opening act, and I'd sit in on

979
00:51:39,020 --> 00:51:41,620
their kit. Yeah, what we do is
the amphitheaters and stuff in

980
00:51:41,620 --> 00:51:45,400
the summertime, and are the bits
just, would we just, would kind

981
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,920
of just winging it, and then we
kind of Diego, that was good.

982
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,260
Let's do this and all that's
kind of still the way we do. So

983
00:51:50,260 --> 00:51:52,300
now what we do on the on the
tour, I don't know what we're

984
00:51:52,300 --> 00:51:57,040
going to do this year, but what
we have done is Dirks ends his

985
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:01,260
show, and then the we have a pre
roll that comes on, so in pre

986
00:52:01,260 --> 00:52:06,000
roll video and all that. And
it's Lauderdale, John

987
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,960
Lauderdale, or Jim Lauderdale.
Jim Lauderdale, I'm sorry, it's

988
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,260
a take off on the 90s, Back to
the Future bit. So we take off,

989
00:52:13,260 --> 00:52:15,660
and we're going back to the 90s,
and it's a whole thing, and they

990
00:52:15,660 --> 00:52:19,620
got graphics and everything. And
then we come out amazing and and

991
00:52:19,620 --> 00:52:24,380
we do H, O, T, C, O, U, N, T, R,
Y, K, N, I, G, H, T, yes. And so

992
00:52:24,380 --> 00:52:27,560
we come out, we do that, and we
do, we do a medley of songs and

993
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,840
stuff, and there's bits and
everything. I've never seen you

994
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:33,020
guys. And then they, you got to
come out. I'll get you to, maybe

995
00:52:33,020 --> 00:52:37,820
get you. And then we so. And
then we, everybody kind of hops

996
00:52:37,820 --> 00:52:40,400
on stage and meet Monty is
unfortunately left there by

997
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,060
himself. So he stops and ends
the song we were playing fast as

998
00:52:43,060 --> 00:52:46,180
you and then the lights come on,
and then Monty kind of goes and

999
00:52:46,180 --> 00:52:48,880
gets kind of full of himself,
because it's because the crowd's

1000
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,400
screaming and it's just him. So
he goes out and gets the

1001
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,580
audience going, and yeah, and
all this and that, and gets them

1002
00:52:54,580 --> 00:52:57,040
all riled up. And then our stage
Mayor comes out and picks Monty

1003
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,220
up and takes them off stage, and
that's and that's how the show.

1004
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:04,920
And then Dirksen, like the band,
comes out, we'll as as us and

1005
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,460
come out to it's really smart,
and who knows, and it'll

1006
00:53:08,460 --> 00:53:10,980
probably be a little bit
different this year. So you get

1007
00:53:10,980 --> 00:53:11,700
to double

1008
00:53:11,700 --> 00:53:14,880
dip your butt off there. Man,
yeah, double dip might

1009
00:53:14,940 --> 00:53:18,960
as well. It's, it's, it's kind
of funny. Pick her up. It's

1010
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,200
like, I'm looking for the spinal
tab. That

1011
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,660
was the single, the first single
that came out. It actually, it

1012
00:53:23,660 --> 00:53:25,580
started debuted at like 30,

1013
00:53:25,700 --> 00:53:28,220
yeah. It came out in 41 with
rock.

1014
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,280
Travis true was on it. Travis,
he was amazing. He's absolutely

1015
00:53:34,580 --> 00:53:37,580
incredible. Moose shuttle, yeah,
we have, there's a dance that

1016
00:53:37,580 --> 00:53:40,420
goes along with that. Seriously,
there's a dance. Watch the

1017
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:40,780
video.

1018
00:53:41,500 --> 00:53:43,720
The USA begins with us. That's

1019
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,620
a phenomenally, unbelievably
great song, really, yeah, so

1020
00:53:47,620 --> 00:53:49,900
are they semi serious? Scared?

1021
00:53:49,900 --> 00:53:53,620
No, they scared that one scared
Fallon, right? Because they were

1022
00:53:53,620 --> 00:53:58,240
kind of like that was it was
just when it had me 2016 Yes,

1023
00:53:58,240 --> 00:54:01,680
I'm around there. Was that that
long ago? No, no, 20. How

1024
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,260
racy and blue do you guys get in
these? Like, are you kind of,

1025
00:54:04,260 --> 00:54:06,240
like, Steel Panther level? Yeah,
that's

1026
00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:08,700
kind of the idea. Actually, not.
I think about that's where we've

1027
00:54:08,700 --> 00:54:11,340
seen Steel Panther a couple
times. And our bass player,

1028
00:54:11,340 --> 00:54:14,400
Cassidy, is, like, he was a huge
Steel Panther fan, right? And,

1029
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,220
and he knows some of the guys in
the band, and so we went and saw

1030
00:54:17,220 --> 00:54:18,060
them, actually, at, uh,

1031
00:54:19,620 --> 00:54:21,200
in Hollywood one night. I used

1032
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,540
to see him, house blues at
Hollywood. Always at the House

1033
00:54:23,540 --> 00:54:25,520
of Blues, right? Yeah, you know
what that is? Now, it's like a

1034
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,680
giant glass condo, is it

1035
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,860
really? Yeah, that was such a
cool place. So a lot of bands

1036
00:54:30,860 --> 00:54:33,140
play there. Some bands play
there, but that was kind of,

1037
00:54:33,140 --> 00:54:35,360
that was, that was part of the
inspiration, uh, thanks for

1038
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,280
bringing that. Because I
actually forgot. I was like,

1039
00:54:37,340 --> 00:54:40,420
yeah, it was, it was still Steel
Panther. Was kind of like that

1040
00:54:40,420 --> 00:54:44,620
we wanted to sort of be. We're
not as adventurous, or it's not

1041
00:54:44,620 --> 00:54:47,200
as quite as edgy as them. But,
well, they

1042
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:51,700
they get. They have the cover
fire of it being an 80s

1043
00:54:51,700 --> 00:54:54,760
throwback Hair Metal band, yeah,
you know. So we're the 90

1044
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,280
we kind of covered that. The
latest one we did, actually was

1045
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,600
a few years ago with Lainey
Wilson, called uh. We did a song

1046
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:05,880
called harassment. And the bit
is harassment everything to me.

1047
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:12,060
And Doug, awesome. The song was
great. And yeah, again, as radio

1048
00:55:12,060 --> 00:55:15,720
is like funny Dirks, but we
can't play this. Oh yeah.

1049
00:55:15,720 --> 00:55:18,540
Well, radio makes the best
decisions these days. Yeah,

1050
00:55:18,540 --> 00:55:18,720
right

1051
00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:21,680
now. Jim was in radio for a long
time, yeah, yeah, yeah. There

1052
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:23,240
you go. Now, he's in new media.
It's

1053
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:25,760
one of those things that, like,
the music business really has to

1054
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:30,140
figure out what's next, because
radio is, man, it's dying. Well,

1055
00:55:30,140 --> 00:55:30,500
music

1056
00:55:30,500 --> 00:55:33,080
is gonna be the same thing it's
gonna be we got you to you're

1057
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,660
gonna come see our show and
you're gonna buy a hoodie. Yeah,

1058
00:55:35,720 --> 00:55:37,580
right. I don't know what else we
could do.

1059
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,420
Yeah. Well, you know, what was
interesting to me, not seeing

1060
00:55:40,420 --> 00:55:45,820
that. And Dirks is is a master
at those interviews and radio

1061
00:55:45,820 --> 00:55:48,040
people and bringing them back to
the shows, bringing them

1062
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:51,580
backstage, making them feel very
welcome back there and all that.

1063
00:55:51,580 --> 00:55:54,820
And so he has a lot of
experience. But what struck me

1064
00:55:54,820 --> 00:55:59,800
was like some of the radio radio
stuff that we did with the hot

1065
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:04,320
country nights and how automated
everything is, yeah, oh, yeah,

1066
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,200
yeah. And I just that struck me
as just like, it's all pre

1067
00:56:07,380 --> 00:56:10,200
recorded they're gonna do. It's
just, there's really, it's not,

1068
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:15,000
there's Live, which I, I don't
know why. I didn't expect that

1069
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,760
with technology, but I was just
like, I just didn't realize it

1070
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,580
was that much involved in that.

1071
00:56:20,580 --> 00:56:23,900
Well, I mean, sometimes it got
to the point right around when I

1072
00:56:23,900 --> 00:56:26,780
left. I mean, it was pretty
pervasive that you could, we'd

1073
00:56:26,780 --> 00:56:30,320
be listening to a radio station
and probably hear a guy that was

1074
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,260
in St Louis that was trying to
pretend he was in Nashville.

1075
00:56:33,260 --> 00:56:36,200
Yeah, you know, that was the
voice tracking element. And they

1076
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,860
started piling hats on us guys
and went out on it was basically

1077
00:56:39,860 --> 00:56:45,580
from 1997 when the FCC did the
federal Telecommunications Act,

1078
00:56:45,580 --> 00:56:48,400
which basically took the walls
down and allowed radio to be

1079
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:52,840
treated like real estate.
Multiple companies can, or one

1080
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:56,320
company can own multiple radio
stations in a market. And that's

1081
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,960
when the beginning of the end
happened. Yeah, you know,

1082
00:56:59,020 --> 00:57:02,340
essentially. And you know,
people that were in the business

1083
00:57:02,340 --> 00:57:04,800
at that point were excited about
it, because they were like, hey,

1084
00:57:05,580 --> 00:57:09,720
I can you're gonna give me more
stations to produce or work for

1085
00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:12,660
great, more money. Oh, no, we
didn't say that. No, we're

1086
00:57:12,660 --> 00:57:15,000
giving you the responsibilities
in the hatch you're still

1087
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:18,060
making. That's not what we play
more work for the same money,

1088
00:57:18,060 --> 00:57:20,700
same amount of money. Yeah, so,
and they started, they just

1089
00:57:20,700 --> 00:57:23,300
didn't invest in the next
generation of 10. Generation of

1090
00:57:23,300 --> 00:57:27,980
talent, which led to people like
doing podcasts and tick tock

1091
00:57:27,980 --> 00:57:30,560
Instagram reels. What we're
seeing today is the

1092
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:32,900
entertainment mediums. Hey,
radio suffering.

1093
00:57:33,140 --> 00:57:35,720
Hey, Jim, do me a favor, man. I
got since I got these in ears,

1094
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,420
in and it's like, right in my
inner cochlea. Um, can you just

1095
00:57:38,420 --> 00:57:41,620
bring the volume down for me,
just a little bit. Yeah, yeah,

1096
00:57:41,980 --> 00:57:45,700
thanks, buddy. So I love all
these stories. What's the tour

1097
00:57:45,700 --> 00:57:48,580
look like this year? 50 shows or
so later in the year, probably

1098
00:57:48,580 --> 00:57:51,760
something like that. Yeah. Have
you gotten your your PDF yet of

1099
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:53,560
the tour? No,

1100
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:56,440
we do. We were doing at the end
of this month, I think we're

1101
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:59,920
going to Dominican Republic to
do a private party. Nice, yeah.

1102
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:02,100
And then we're going to the UK,
the

1103
00:58:02,100 --> 00:58:06,360
C to C to C to C. You're gonna
do the oh two, London.

1104
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:10,080
We're doing oh two. Yep, you did
the oh three. And go Dublin. I

1105
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,600
don't know if we're doing Dublin
this time. We did Dublin before,

1106
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:14,940
but I don't think we're doing
Dublin this island, Glasgow.

1107
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,760
Glasgow be great. I know London.
And then, like, two other spots

1108
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,900
too. Also, I love that towards
towards the end of March. I hope

1109
00:58:20,900 --> 00:58:24,020
we do that again. We did it in
2015 we haven't. It's been a

1110
00:58:24,020 --> 00:58:25,760
while since we've done it. Yeah,
in a while. So

1111
00:58:26,180 --> 00:58:29,420
that's fun. You like the
international touring? Sure, I

1112
00:58:29,420 --> 00:58:30,080
do. I haven't done

1113
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,780
it. We haven't. We don't do very
much. We either do it's not very

1114
00:58:32,780 --> 00:58:36,440
much. Yeah, absolutely.
Especially going to London. I've

1115
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:37,640
been to London one time,

1116
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,220
like, in years ago, huh? Like
Indian food. Love Indians.

1117
00:58:42,220 --> 00:58:43,120
That's a great spot for

1118
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:47,440
it's a great spot for it. But we
London's amazing. Glasgow is

1119
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,380
amazing. It's, yeah, I mean,
you're immersed in a culture

1120
00:58:50,380 --> 00:58:56,380
that's an in a history that is
pre USA rivaled, yeah, just by a

1121
00:58:56,380 --> 00:58:59,800
little bit. Yeah, yeah. So I'm
looking forward to that really,

1122
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:00,780
really great. Do

1123
00:59:00,780 --> 00:59:04,080
we mention I'm sorry I'm playing
around in the internet here that

1124
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,780
you're playing the Ryman coming
up. We hot

1125
00:59:06,780 --> 00:59:08,880
country nights are opening up
for Sawyer Brown,

1126
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,580
okay, amazing. I forgot about
that on the

1127
00:59:11,580 --> 00:59:14,700
Star Search winners. It's, uh,
September, yeah, September.

1128
00:59:14,700 --> 00:59:16,260
February 15. February

1129
00:59:16,260 --> 00:59:19,620
15, the day after. Yeah, yeah,
those guys are amazing too.

1130
00:59:19,620 --> 00:59:22,160
Yeah, we've done Joe Smith,
we've done some stuff. Yeah,

1131
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,740
it's great. Well, their whole
they are still the same, and

1132
00:59:24,740 --> 00:59:27,680
they are still Mark Miller,
still killing it, yeah, and, and

1133
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,920
they put on a great show, and
we're really looking forward to

1134
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:33,200
it. And we're, yeah, we're
really

1135
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,840
pretty stoked. Are you gonna die
with the sticks in your hands?

1136
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:37,880
You think? You know, you gotta
hope so. Are you gonna do this

1137
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:41,140
to the end? Probably, yeah,
sticks are a yoke. We're lifers,

1138
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:46,180
or a yokes with sticks, right?
Well, yeah, a yoke

1139
00:59:47,140 --> 00:59:50,020
that would be bad on so many
levels. Yeah. Sorry,

1140
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,260
quite a bit. Yeah. I tell
everybody, it's cool if I go out

1141
00:59:53,260 --> 01:00:00,300
that way, right? One too. Larry,
London, we are lifers. Man,

1142
01:00:00,300 --> 01:00:03,300
yeah. And then, you know, like
everyone you've got your, your

1143
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:07,020
your your tracking space is that
your, is that your crib, your

1144
01:00:07,020 --> 01:00:10,080
when you know where you record
drums for clients and such. I

1145
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,900
don't, I don't really, oh no. I
have it here on the wiki. It

1146
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,500
says you have an Apollo with a
knee 1084 that's

1147
01:00:16,500 --> 01:00:18,360
gone. I have a

1148
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,880
great little set of I had, like
three kids set up for practice,

1149
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:27,260
novel, a little claret and like
Ableton and just kind of like a

1150
01:00:27,500 --> 01:00:31,640
John Glenn's kind of a set of
four mics, yeah, and practicing

1151
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:36,620
the record and whatever, like
that. But no, I started to kind

1152
01:00:36,620 --> 01:00:40,460
of stick my foot trying to do
that kind of a thing. But no,

1153
01:00:40,700 --> 01:00:43,780
so what was it that turned you
off the the amount of time that

1154
01:00:43,780 --> 01:00:46,300
goes into the file management
and doing everything, or dealing

1155
01:00:46,300 --> 01:00:48,700
with clients that are like, Can
you do it again? And this time

1156
01:00:48,700 --> 01:00:51,580
do 18th notes on the high I had
heard already

1157
01:00:51,580 --> 01:00:55,240
enough horror stories, yeah. And
it was like, man, unless I,

1158
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:59,740
unless I really want to do it. I
mean, I just Yeah, yeah. And

1159
01:00:59,740 --> 01:01:03,480
nowadays I'd much rather fly.
Charlene, yes, that's your

1160
01:01:03,540 --> 01:01:04,020
thing, taking

1161
01:01:04,020 --> 01:01:06,720
any other, any other hobbies or,
like, interest, like, you know,

1162
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:07,080
no,

1163
01:01:07,140 --> 01:01:10,380
not really. I mean, wife love
going into town and going going

1164
01:01:10,380 --> 01:01:12,720
to restaurants, yeah, kind of
stuff. So

1165
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:15,480
we lock on table. I'll see you
there. We're there. That's

1166
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,060
great. Wood fired pizza. Man,
yes, it is such sexy

1167
01:01:18,060 --> 01:01:20,420
environment. Yep, if you got a
family

1168
01:01:20,420 --> 01:01:23,060
environment. If you go, like, I
mean, because we're older now,

1169
01:01:23,060 --> 01:01:26,120
we go on to four in the
afternoon. Oh, really,

1170
01:01:26,540 --> 01:01:29,360
the movie schedule. Well, you
guys right back out to Mount

1171
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:30,500
Juliet. So, yeah, yeah,

1172
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:32,780
I have to live in Nashville.
Yeah,

1173
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,220
I'm adjusting because I feel
like I'm just outside of the

1174
01:01:37,220 --> 01:01:40,960
loop. Like, like, like, where's
Keo? Where's Keo tonight. You

1175
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:42,340
know what? I mean, like, Keo

1176
01:01:42,340 --> 01:01:46,480
is out. I, you know, I'm a bit
of, I'm guilty of being a bit of

1177
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:50,500
a homebody. Well, is it always
that way? Or probably has been,

1178
01:01:50,500 --> 01:01:53,920
actually, yeah, no, I don't know
that. I've, every once a while

1179
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,400
go out and, well, me and Carrie
have been going out lately, and

1180
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:02,700
we saw like, Daryl Hall, nice,
Howard Jones, if you, you know,

1181
01:02:02,700 --> 01:02:04,860
acts like that, or something's
going on the square horn or

1182
01:02:04,860 --> 01:02:07,620
something. But yeah, as a matter
of fact, we walked down printers

1183
01:02:07,620 --> 01:02:14,040
alley, and Barbara's is now a
pub. Yeah, it is a pub now it's

1184
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:17,640
like a British pub, I guess. So
we're weird. That's on the list,

1185
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,160
yeah, to go check out. Well,
that'll bring back memories.

1186
01:02:20,580 --> 01:02:24,380
Yeah, I know. I know. I don't,
yeah. I was like, I want to go,

1187
01:02:24,380 --> 01:02:27,680
but I got to be really prepared,
because the flood of memories

1188
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,140
and stories and that kind of
thing, it's gonna, I think it's

1189
01:02:30,140 --> 01:02:33,440
gonna be for both of us. I mean,
you do? You remember Karen down

1190
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:37,880
there, but she's a singer. Mike
came to town to be out, to be a

1191
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,360
singer, and used to hang out
with us down at barbers. Oh my

1192
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:41,380
god,

1193
01:02:42,100 --> 01:02:46,000
and let's get married pretty
much now, does she? Does she

1194
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:46,840
still sing a little

1195
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:50,800
bit? No, no, no. It's, it's all
flowers. Flowers. Yep, nice.

1196
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,260
Well, that is so lucrative. It's
all flowers. We don't have kids,

1197
01:02:53,260 --> 01:02:57,040
and we, when we just hang out
with Toby and Baxter. Those are

1198
01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:04,140
your dogs. Yeah, one is a Baxter
is a German Shepherd lab mix,

1199
01:03:04,500 --> 01:03:11,160
and Toby is American Eskimo mix.
We did not gin. Gene test,

1200
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:16,740
genome, Genome test, yeah, and
Toby yeah is American Eskimo and

1201
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:21,320
Chow and a few other things like
that. Wow. Yeah, nice.

1202
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:24,200
The only problem with the dogs,
you gotta walk them all the

1203
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:26,720
time. Ours, we just let out the
back. Yeah?

1204
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,660
We have, we have, it's called a
backyard, yeah? And we put

1205
01:03:30,380 --> 01:03:33,200
what's your favorite, most
mundane chore to do at home,

1206
01:03:33,980 --> 01:03:34,460
favorite

1207
01:03:34,460 --> 01:03:37,640
mundane to a problem of the
yard. Yeah, it's therapeutic.

1208
01:03:37,940 --> 01:03:43,300
Yeah, it is. But push, yeah,
like, a zero turn. Don't even

1209
01:03:43,300 --> 01:03:43,840
need a zero.

1210
01:03:45,220 --> 01:03:48,340
I've got a zero. I've got like,
eighth of an acre, yeah, zero

1211
01:03:48,340 --> 01:03:51,400
turn, and I have to fight my
wife in order to mow, because

1212
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:55,180
she loves mowing too. I was
like, it's cathartic, yeah? Now

1213
01:03:55,180 --> 01:03:58,840
my mowing is vacuum. I'll
vacuum. It goes all the way back

1214
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,260
to, like, I would help my mom
out. She'd be like, Richie,

1215
01:04:01,260 --> 01:04:04,440
before we go to the marching
band thing on Friday night, I

1216
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,320
need for you to buy like, Yes,
mom. But

1217
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:08,340
you know, you never mowed

1218
01:04:08,340 --> 01:04:11,340
a lawn. Oh, when I was living
with Curt and Tully all the time

1219
01:04:11,340 --> 01:04:14,400
in Donaldson and Hermitage, I
was the official mower because,

1220
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:18,720
you know, we rented these band
houses, right? And you know,

1221
01:04:18,780 --> 01:04:23,840
they would never do it, man, I
had to do it. You know. What do

1222
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:26,480
you do now? Can you imagine it?
Well, I tell you, Oh no. Now,

1223
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:27,500
Caesar Estrada, does it?

1224
01:04:28,340 --> 01:04:31,100
Oh, yeah, it makes it a lot
better, because I have a beer

1225
01:04:31,100 --> 01:04:36,020
holder, yeah, nice beer holder.
Buds, ear buds, listening.

1226
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:39,080
It's therapeutic. It is it
really is.

1227
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,860
No, I might my guy. Hello,
Caesar Estrada. He's a nice guy.

1228
01:04:41,860 --> 01:04:47,080
Actually, he's a singer. He he
cuts my lawn. And I said, Hey,

1229
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:50,620
his daughter wanted to take drum
lessons, right? And so I said,

1230
01:04:50,620 --> 01:04:52,960
Well, why don't we barter it up?
You know, I'll teach her

1231
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,720
teacher, teach her how to do all
the money beats and get a good

1232
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:58,180
sound on the drums. And, you
know, we'll trade it for the

1233
01:04:58,180 --> 01:05:05,100
lawn care. I. She he's paying
$30 an hour for a drum lesson.

1234
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:10,500
I'm like, where, who is teaching
a drum lesson for $30 that's

1235
01:05:10,500 --> 01:05:13,020
what I paid back in the day.
That was $30 for a half hour.

1236
01:05:13,020 --> 01:05:13,200
And

1237
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:16,320
I said, Well, hey, man, stay
stay on the course

1238
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:18,900
$30 an hour.

1239
01:05:19,140 --> 01:05:23,120
It's crazy. It is crazy. I know.
I hope she learns. Back in

1240
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:26,060
the early 90s, when I took drum
lessons from Gary fiander at

1241
01:05:26,060 --> 01:05:29,720
East Coast music mall, yeah,
yeah, he was $30 for a half

1242
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:30,380
dollar minute,

1243
01:05:30,380 --> 01:05:34,100
yeah. See, things are not going
up in somebody's under charging.

1244
01:05:34,100 --> 01:05:37,340
Somebody started trying. That's
all right. Hopefully she loves

1245
01:05:37,340 --> 01:05:40,220
it and she becomes a wonderful
drummer. What did you study in

1246
01:05:40,220 --> 01:05:42,400
college? Man, did you get a
music degree? Yeah,

1247
01:05:42,460 --> 01:05:46,180
percussion performance, ntsu. I

1248
01:05:46,180 --> 01:05:50,740
went to Texas Tech, and then I
went to UNT North Texas day,

1249
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,080
yeah, so me and Jim, Jim Riley
were there around the same time.

1250
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:56,920
Yeah, okay, who else was I there
with? Keith Garlock. Oh, my god,

1251
01:05:57,820 --> 01:06:02,100
yeah, that guy. And got some
other really amazing. Everybody

1252
01:06:02,100 --> 01:06:04,740
went on to do great, great
stuff, man, you know, yeah,

1253
01:06:04,740 --> 01:06:07,680
uh, Stephen falls to State
University. They have an

1254
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:12,540
amazing, quite amazing, uh,
commercial music program now,

1255
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:16,380
yes, like top 30, but back then,
forget it. No, it was, it was,

1256
01:06:16,380 --> 01:06:19,620
yeah, it was jazz, classical,
yeah, that's it. And then you

1257
01:06:19,620 --> 01:06:22,340
figure out how to play the back
beats on your own head. Yes, it

1258
01:06:22,340 --> 01:06:24,800
was, it was all, who was the
teacher there at that time? The

1259
01:06:24,860 --> 01:06:29,240
head guy? Dr, Lawrence captain,
was our, well, we had a couple

1260
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:32,480
guys, Barry Larkin, and then,
and then, Dr captain, who is, I

1261
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:35,000
believe, is at University of
Denver. I think, yeah, I know

1262
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,340
he's in Denver. I think it's
University of Denver. Have you

1263
01:06:37,340 --> 01:06:39,440
kept in touch with these guys?
And they occasionally through

1264
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:41,960
Facebook, everyone small, but
not, not because I gotta be

1265
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:42,680
proud. They're like the

1266
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:45,340
guy. Yeah, guy did it. Yeah,
yeah. Now, you ever envision

1267
01:06:45,340 --> 01:06:48,940
yourself going back and doing a
little Q and A speech? Yeah?

1268
01:06:48,940 --> 01:06:49,120
There

1269
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:54,520
was some talk about going back
to Stephen F and doing some so

1270
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:59,320
we were going to get some guys
that you know kind of are in the

1271
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:03,240
business. Me, Devin Williams,
songwriter, so we were kind of

1272
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:06,720
all running buddies together
back then, but getting me and

1273
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:09,720
him and all that to do kind of
that kind of a thing, kind of a

1274
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:13,800
Q, a or you should do it. That
would be, it would be so lucky.

1275
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:15,660
That'd be fun to have you fun.
Now,

1276
01:07:15,660 --> 01:07:19,080
what do you do to stay so, um,
height, weight, proportionate,

1277
01:07:19,260 --> 01:07:20,220
tall and lean.

1278
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:23,720
Attic. You have a thing like I
do,

1279
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:27,980
I go to the gym. I depends. I
was doing yoga for especially

1280
01:07:27,980 --> 01:07:30,320
during the pandemic, me, my
wife, were doing yoga just like

1281
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:33,680
through peloton, yeah, on TV.
But we actually used to go, we

1282
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:38,600
would go to the, go do yoga at a
local yoga place. So I got into

1283
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:39,620
yoga for a few years. I did

1284
01:07:39,620 --> 01:07:42,160
hot yoga for a while, the last
30 minutes was tough. It's

1285
01:07:42,220 --> 01:07:45,160
tough, yeah, it's the 60 is
good. 90 is rough.

1286
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:49,060
6060, is a max. I could,
couldn't do beyond that, but I

1287
01:07:49,060 --> 01:07:52,960
loved it is very good for us,
for me, for limp, being limber

1288
01:07:53,140 --> 01:07:56,620
and staying staying loose, yeah?
But either that or just just the

1289
01:07:56,620 --> 01:07:58,660
gym, yeah, Planet Fitness is
right down the street, so

1290
01:07:58,660 --> 01:08:00,420
you just do a circuit. Do you
do? You're like, you know,

1291
01:08:00,420 --> 01:08:04,080
today's back and buys tomorrow's
legs, just, just full body,

1292
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:05,700
chest and try. Rose

1293
01:08:05,700 --> 01:08:08,040
again. Would you bench? Yeah,
yeah.

1294
01:08:08,220 --> 01:08:11,760
Ducks Bentley, over here, come
on. Yeah,

1295
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,400
I get into fights all the time.
I'm kidding. No,

1296
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:18,120
you know, you sound like you're
you've definitely got a ham

1297
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:21,320
factor, you know? Oh, yeah. Is
that something else that you've

1298
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:24,500
kind of explored with, you know,
using your voice, because you

1299
01:08:24,500 --> 01:08:26,360
kind of have it, you're
affecting your voice

1300
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:28,640
occasionally. I'm picking up on
that a

1301
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:31,760
little bit with the hot country
nights. Yeah, if you'll kind of

1302
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:36,860
go through our back catalog of
stuff, we have some of the bits

1303
01:08:36,860 --> 01:08:39,440
and all that have included that
kind of kind of thing, character

1304
01:08:39,440 --> 01:08:43,120
voices, yeah, I hear it a little
bit, yep, just being, just being

1305
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:44,980
stupid, I guess, fun. Yeah,
well,

1306
01:08:44,979 --> 01:08:47,739
you've always kind of taken care
of yourself. Because I remember

1307
01:08:47,739 --> 01:08:50,499
going back to that Amber Dodson
tour opening up for George

1308
01:08:50,499 --> 01:08:54,939
Street. We would do our four
songs. And you know, if bunch of

1309
01:08:54,939 --> 01:08:57,879
dudes in our second hand leather
jackets, we wanted to get into

1310
01:08:57,879 --> 01:09:00,779
trouble, you know, we wanted to
just at least get out into the

1311
01:09:00,779 --> 01:09:03,539
nightlife and have a cocktail
and, yeah, you know, night at

1312
01:09:03,539 --> 01:09:06,899
the Roxbury and you guys would
be in your damn jammies eating

1313
01:09:06,899 --> 01:09:07,619
cereal. Well,

1314
01:09:07,740 --> 01:09:10,500
that was me and Robbie herring
totally. I was like, You were

1315
01:09:10,500 --> 01:09:13,560
kind of like, Robbie and Steve
are eating cereal. You know

1316
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:15,540
what's funny is Mike Kennedy
would, when we're out with

1317
01:09:15,540 --> 01:09:19,320
George Strait on that tour, too,
he would, I'd be like, going to

1318
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:22,520
bed. Yeah, no. And he like,
nope. He come on the bus and

1319
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:25,820
drag me. Like, get your clothes
on. We're going out. Nice.

1320
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:30,020
Always do that. Nice. He was
such a sweetheart. Mike

1321
01:09:30,020 --> 01:09:34,220
Kennedy, for those that don't
know he was, he had played live

1322
01:09:34,220 --> 01:09:37,880
with George Street for at least
20 years, at least, yeah. Now I

1323
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:40,040
don't know exactly what
happened, but I believe he was

1324
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:45,040
merging into traffic, and there
was a gigantic semi, and it was

1325
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:47,320
just he didn't see it or

1326
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:50,199
something. I don't know. That's
a tragic, yeah, that's tragic,

1327
01:09:50,199 --> 01:09:50,439
yeah,

1328
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:55,060
yeah. God rests up on I 40. I
don't know how long ago was

1329
01:09:55,060 --> 01:09:58,960
that? A good 10 years, at least
six to 10 years. Yeah, something

1330
01:09:59,020 --> 01:10:02,640
like that. Yeah. Oh. Man may
have rough Yeah, yeah, as a

1331
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,820
Yeah, as a big loss for the
drumming community, yeah,

1332
01:10:05,940 --> 01:10:08,700
because he helps so many people
too. He did. He would be like,

1333
01:10:08,700 --> 01:10:11,220
hey, Gabe, get up here and play.
He will, yeah, you know, Hall of

1334
01:10:11,220 --> 01:10:12,900
Fame. He used to play. Now the
Hall of Fame,

1335
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:17,760
yeah? What was the 16th?
Remember the 16th avenue that?

1336
01:10:18,300 --> 01:10:22,880
Yeah, now it was a shoe store,
and now it's a bar or parking or

1337
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:23,240
something.

1338
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:27,500
It's a tower. Now it's gone. Oh
yeah, that whole right by the

1339
01:10:27,740 --> 01:10:30,440
the naked people circle, yeah,
right to the naked tambourine

1340
01:10:30,440 --> 01:10:33,680
people, yeah, it's that. That
building there used to be that.

1341
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:37,100
That's right, so many different
oh my god, all right. Oh my god.

1342
01:10:37,100 --> 01:10:37,640
Do you like the

1343
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:40,300
Nashville hot chicken? It's on
everybody's menu all over the

1344
01:10:40,300 --> 01:10:40,660
world.

1345
01:10:42,220 --> 01:10:45,640
I don't really, I haven't, I
don't say I don't like it, yeah,

1346
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,640
it's too hot for me. Because I
got a sense of the stomach, I

1347
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:52,900
can't imagine having the hot,
hot, hot chicken. It's like the

1348
01:10:52,900 --> 01:10:58,120
chicken. It's purple, yeah, it's
so seasoned. Yeah, I can't do

1349
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:00,360
that. We used to do princes.
Remember princess? Oh yeah, the

1350
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:02,820
real inspiration late at night,
yeah? And

1351
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:08,160
we do that, like waffle house
became late night run, yeah,

1352
01:11:08,340 --> 01:11:11,220
Princess used to be, I forget
which one it was. There was

1353
01:11:11,220 --> 01:11:13,500
only, like those over on the
east side, right, yeah, yeah.

1354
01:11:13,740 --> 01:11:16,080
But that was, yeah, late night,
three in the morning after post

1355
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:20,420
barbers kind of Yeah, kind of a
vibe, yeah,

1356
01:11:20,660 --> 01:11:23,960
so Jim, yeah. Should we do the
Fauci? What do you think? Go

1357
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:26,840
ahead, hey, we're gonna go right
into it. Sometimes. You used to

1358
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:29,360
call it the Fast Five, but it's
never fast. Favorite color,

1359
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:35,000
green. So fast. Green, green
sparkle. Do you ever, ever have

1360
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:36,560
a green, green sparkle drum set?

1361
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:43,480
I may have like I had no, yeah,
no, I was with another company.

1362
01:11:43,480 --> 01:11:45,640
I might have had, like, bits and
pieces that weren't you with

1363
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,400
Ludwig for I was with Ludwig for
a while, yeah. And I remember I

1364
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:50,800
had a kit that had multi
different colors. And green

1365
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:52,120
might have been, I might have
had a green

1366
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:55,240
sparkle, yeah, they have that
kit that that it shows all the

1367
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:58,840
colors, yeah. You know, it's
like, it was like, Yeah.

1368
01:11:58,900 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaking of Ludwig, behind
Steve, what do we have? Oh,

1369
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:04,260
there's a

1370
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:12,540
from LP that is a Alex Van Halen
commemorative cow bell that I

1371
01:12:12,540 --> 01:12:16,500
begged for from our friends at
Latin percussion, and I'm taking

1372
01:12:16,500 --> 01:12:17,760
it out on the road. Yeah,

1373
01:12:17,940 --> 01:12:21,080
and this is, we're giving it
away to a lucky listener. Is

1374
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:21,620
that what you

1375
01:12:21,620 --> 01:12:24,020
said, No, I'm just just
showcasing it. I'm gonna, I'm

1376
01:12:24,020 --> 01:12:26,780
gonna take it. I'm gonna take it
on tour this year, because I

1377
01:12:26,780 --> 01:12:32,840
play it on maybe like four bars
in hick town. And it's not, it's

1378
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:35,600
unmiked, but you will hear it.
It's allowed. They will

1379
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:38,960
probably, I won't even get LP to
put a hot country nights logo on

1380
01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:42,340
this. You really should get a
commemorative hot country nights

1381
01:12:42,340 --> 01:12:47,320
cow, if they're out there LP. LP
needs one. If you're a DW guy,

1382
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:50,560
you're you're grandfathered in
practically as an LP guy. He's

1383
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:55,660
got to call our friend Jerry
Zacharias and Garris will

1384
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:58,420
garrison. I need to know some of
those. I don't know anything.

1385
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:01,380
That's right. That's right. I
was all playing. I had my my

1386
01:13:01,380 --> 01:13:04,560
trip book to go out and do my
yearly visit, and then all the

1387
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:07,140
fires happened in Los Angeles,
and I was like, Yeah, let's,

1388
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:09,240
let's postpone. I'm gonna

1389
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:12,900
interrupt the favorite five.
Yes, Ma'am, did you guys read

1390
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:14,460
the Alex Van Halen book?

1391
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:18,300
Brothers, brothers,

1392
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:21,800
I've heard of it. It's really
good. Yeah, I highly recommend I

1393
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:22,160
will,

1394
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:24,740
yeah, I don't want to pay for
Audible, so I'm gonna have to

1395
01:13:24,740 --> 01:13:25,460
just read it.

1396
01:13:25,700 --> 01:13:29,240
But you know, the thing is,
you're hearing Alex read it, and

1397
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:32,780
he has these little moments
where HE CHUCKLES to himself,

1398
01:13:32,780 --> 01:13:35,180
which is so endearing nice. You
know, he's remembering these

1399
01:13:35,180 --> 01:13:38,120
stories as he's written them.
But you know, you could tell

1400
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:43,960
he's also he has that intrinsic
recall. That, you know, you hear

1401
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:47,200
these little emotional outbursts
that he has, which I think is

1402
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:47,980
kind of cool. That's

1403
01:13:47,980 --> 01:13:51,820
very nice, because usually
producers of audiobooks will

1404
01:13:51,820 --> 01:13:54,880
just produce that stuff right
out of you. Yeah, you know what

1405
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:57,400
I mean. It's nice that they kind
of just let it be warts and all,

1406
01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:01,020
yep, yep. That's interesting,
because, like, I was thinking a

1407
01:14:01,020 --> 01:14:01,980
hard copy book,

1408
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:06,120
right? But I have it on the
shelf behind you. Yeah, it'd be

1409
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:09,720
better to do the audible one,
though. Yeah, I like to, I like

1410
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:11,520
listening to books myself, so

1411
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:13,440
I don't think I've ever done
that really.

1412
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:16,260
You know, experiment with it.
See if you like it. Are you

1413
01:14:16,260 --> 01:14:18,120
podcast guy by chance?
Sometimes,

1414
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:20,960
yeah, you sound like you need a
podcast. Like you would, you

1415
01:14:21,140 --> 01:14:22,820
would be a good host of a
podcast. I'd

1416
01:14:22,820 --> 01:14:25,880
love to Actually, me and Dan
hokulter have talked about

1417
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:29,600
having something like this. We
just start talking. That'd be so

1418
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:33,920
easy. It's, it's Yeah, yeah. And
marginally funny, we can record

1419
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:34,160
it on

1420
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:38,060
the road and then batch them and
then just trickle them out once

1421
01:14:38,060 --> 01:14:38,540
a week.

1422
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:40,900
Well, that would take, that
would require us, first of all,

1423
01:14:40,900 --> 01:14:41,860
get out of our bunks.

1424
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:44,620
Stay in the bunks.

1425
01:14:46,180 --> 01:14:48,700
Yeah? Well, yeah, we don't even
put

1426
01:14:48,700 --> 01:14:52,120
a camera onto both of you. Like,
Hey, how's your bunk? Yeah, it's

1427
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:54,640
down here. My bunks up here.
That's

1428
01:14:56,080 --> 01:15:00,120
funny. Now you got a favorite,
uh, food or dish? Mm. Hmm,

1429
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:06,120
man, my wife made a pasta dish
the other night that was

1430
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:09,180
absolutely incredible, like a
cream based thing, like, no

1431
01:15:09,180 --> 01:15:09,600
rose,

1432
01:15:09,660 --> 01:15:13,560
uh, red, red, red sauce,
chicken, stuff like that.

1433
01:15:13,620 --> 01:15:17,520
Nice, yeah, um, I don't not A,
not a specific one that I

1434
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:21,380
absolutely but in Texas, they
did. I mean, unless we're at

1435
01:15:21,380 --> 01:15:27,020
Lachlan table, yeah, the chime,
cherry steak, no, the, oh my

1436
01:15:27,020 --> 01:15:29,360
gosh, I can't believe I'm
forgetting it. The chicken liver

1437
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:31,640
pate. Chicken liver

1438
01:15:32,540 --> 01:15:35,300
Wow. No, that's why we go

1439
01:15:35,300 --> 01:15:40,480
there. It comes in little mason
jar, yeah, chicken liver pate,

1440
01:15:40,540 --> 01:15:44,380
and then the top of it is bacon
grease. Look at that much on top

1441
01:15:44,440 --> 01:15:46,780
of that, whoa. And then they
give you a plate, and it has

1442
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:52,000
biscuits, not biscuits, chips,
not chips, bread,

1443
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:55,180
those kinds of things like toast
and stuff like that,

1444
01:15:55,180 --> 01:15:58,240
yeah. And then on top of the
bacon grease, it's about that

1445
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:04,080
lotion layer of a little bit of
a peach marmalade. It is unholy

1446
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:04,560
cow.

1447
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:07,440
It is un delicacy level. Here's
the

1448
01:16:07,440 --> 01:16:09,600
delicacy. That's our that's our
go to and

1449
01:16:09,780 --> 01:16:12,420
my effort of trying to find good
memories about my mom, she used

1450
01:16:12,420 --> 01:16:15,720
to make a liver pate. That
reminds me of what you're

1451
01:16:15,780 --> 01:16:18,420
talking about. I did. Wow. Jim,
interesting. Did you? Did you

1452
01:16:18,420 --> 01:16:19,440
partake? Oh,

1453
01:16:19,440 --> 01:16:21,260
yeah, when I was a kid, are you
a liver guy?

1454
01:16:21,860 --> 01:16:27,020
You know my mom was, and she
would give us liver for dinner

1455
01:16:27,020 --> 01:16:29,840
sometimes because she liked it
and tell us it was veal.

1456
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:35,900
So, well, there's a whole
movement right now. We're, we're

1457
01:16:35,900 --> 01:16:40,220
all being highly encouraged to
eat organ meats, and if you are,

1458
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:45,280
can't stomach it, take it in
pill form, because these are

1459
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:50,200
it's kind of got out of style,
and there are so many nutrients

1460
01:16:50,260 --> 01:16:52,720
in organ meats that we need.

1461
01:16:52,780 --> 01:16:56,980
Fiber. Fiber, yeah. Fiber, yeah
nowadays. Fiber, a

1462
01:16:56,980 --> 01:17:01,740
lot of people eat the placenta,
whoa, after a birth of a baby.

1463
01:17:02,820 --> 01:17:06,300
Oh my god, but who? But people
eat it. I never hear, I mean,

1464
01:17:06,300 --> 01:17:07,920
that's, yeah, a lot of
nutrients, tons

1465
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:12,960
of tons of nutrients in those
holy cow, geez, buddy, you look

1466
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:15,660
like a freaking character out of
a zombie thriller. But when

1467
01:17:15,660 --> 01:17:16,260
you're done, I

1468
01:17:16,260 --> 01:17:19,860
don't know if I would do that.
We definitely have to, you know,

1469
01:17:19,860 --> 01:17:27,380
pop it in some olive oil, yeah,
crispy on top of risotto. Yeah,

1470
01:17:27,440 --> 01:17:30,980
fry it up. Oh, my God, they so
lock the table is kind of

1471
01:17:30,980 --> 01:17:33,860
adventurous, like that, where,
you know, you can get the bone

1472
01:17:33,860 --> 01:17:37,580
marrow, yeah, and that's very
good. I've done that.

1473
01:17:39,440 --> 01:17:41,680
What about your favorite drink

1474
01:17:43,060 --> 01:17:45,580
right now? It's probably a
Moscow Mule. Oh, we got that

1475
01:17:45,580 --> 01:17:49,360
yesterday too. Yeah? Who's our
guest yesterday? Travis McNabb,

1476
01:17:49,420 --> 01:17:52,300
yeah. Travis McNabb, yeah.
Travis likes his Moscow Mules.

1477
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:54,760
Man, I'm with him, especially if
it's you gotta, you gotta have

1478
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:58,600
the real copper thing for the
experience. You gotta have that.

1479
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:03,180
Yeah, in the freezer. Yep, Fauci
in the freezer, Tito's. Yeah,

1480
01:18:03,420 --> 01:18:07,080
Tito's. This guy. Tito is so
popular now, this is

1481
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:10,980
interesting. And it could be of
all time, or it could be, at the

1482
01:18:10,980 --> 01:18:13,020
moment, what would your favorite
song

1483
01:18:13,020 --> 01:18:17,100
be? It's tough, favorite song.
But, but what is there a

1484
01:18:17,100 --> 01:18:18,420
problem? What was I thinking?

1485
01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:23,120
Because it started the whole
thing, the whole thing, no one

1486
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:27,860
has said their own song, their
own song. There's, yeah, well,

1487
01:18:27,860 --> 01:18:29,060
it's Dirks and Dirk or tan.

1488
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:33,680
But, I mean, you know, from
that, yeah, I mean, that's,

1489
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:37,400
that's, that's really hard. My
favorite song of all time, well,

1490
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:40,240
my favorite, hang on, let's,
let's think you know

1491
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:44,560
you're driving down the PCH, you
got the top down. Oh, that kind

1492
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:46,900
of, that kind of, just maybe,
well, it takes you to a place

1493
01:18:46,900 --> 01:18:49,600
you you like cranking it up. You
like the production, you like

1494
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:51,160
the lyrics, you like the sound.
Actually

1495
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:53,440
be the opposite that probably
Willie Nelson more like,

1496
01:18:55,900 --> 01:18:58,600
ain't it funny how life, how
time slips away? Wow,

1497
01:18:59,620 --> 01:19:03,540
yeah. Or one of those hacker
tunes, like misery and Jen, oh,

1498
01:19:03,540 --> 01:19:07,260
yeah, oh, that's that would be
something that we could do

1499
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:11,220
September, yeah, something like
that. I had the box set when I

1500
01:19:11,220 --> 01:19:13,980
moved to town. I got, yeah, I
got merle's box set at Tower

1501
01:19:13,980 --> 01:19:16,140
Records, and I and I dove in.
Man, we had

1502
01:19:16,140 --> 01:19:17,280
his bass player, Joe Reed,

1503
01:19:18,300 --> 01:19:22,880
Joe. Joe played with the fire
for like, six years, yeah. So my

1504
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:29,840
story about Joe is that we went
in 1997 we went to, like, I

1505
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,060
don't know, six or seven
countries together, playing for

1506
01:19:32,060 --> 01:19:35,540
the US military, yeah. So, like,
we were in like, Bahrain, we

1507
01:19:35,540 --> 01:19:42,040
were in South Korea. We were in
Japan. We were in Macedonia,

1508
01:19:44,620 --> 01:19:47,680
Iceland, yeah, yeah. We

1509
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:51,640
actually had a breakfast about a
month ago. I need some like, I

1510
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:55,600
need to see him. He literally
heard about his, his, you know,

1511
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:59,200
he's adopted. He was adopted, so
he wanted to do and find out who

1512
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:02,580
his father was. Yeah. Found out
his dad is one of the Marlboro

1513
01:20:02,580 --> 01:20:06,420
men. Oh, really, what from back
in the day the Marlboro Man,

1514
01:20:06,420 --> 01:20:09,120
like on the cover and all that
was the big his dad, his father

1515
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:12,240
was the last one, yeah, that
actually ended up quitting

1516
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:15,600
smoking, because he ended up
getting lung cancer and became a

1517
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:20,040
big Roman anti, uh, cigarettes
and all that kind of thing. But

1518
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:24,560
his story, yeah, I he should
have Joe on here, just to tell

1519
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:27,020
that story. Really need to catch
up with your drums. Is the only

1520
01:20:27,020 --> 01:20:29,300
thing he's doing great. Yeah?
No, I know we have bass players

1521
01:20:29,300 --> 01:20:33,860
on here. Plays Leroy Parnell
and, um, he was doing some stuff

1522
01:20:33,860 --> 01:20:35,120
with Kevin mo also Joe.

1523
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:38,300
He looks really healthy. It
looks like he's doing great.

1524
01:20:38,300 --> 01:20:39,740
Working out. He works out. He's

1525
01:20:39,740 --> 01:20:44,320
a big gym rat too, yeah? But
like, I'm, no, I'm not. He's, he

1526
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:44,740
is, yeah,

1527
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:47,260
that's, you know, it's the the
whole thing is, like, even if

1528
01:20:47,260 --> 01:20:49,900
you go just for 20 minutes, but
you do it every day, yeah, with

1529
01:20:49,900 --> 01:20:52,540
it and all that, be consistent,
totally. What about a movie? You

1530
01:20:52,540 --> 01:20:56,200
got a movie that it comes on,
you're like, sorry, Honey, I'm

1531
01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:58,960
committed. I'm gonna watch this
all the way through, Princess

1532
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:01,560
Bride. Wow, that's a fun one

1533
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:06,900
that could be my favorite. One
might have been, I don't think

1534
01:21:06,900 --> 01:21:08,460
you know what that means, yeah,

1535
01:21:10,020 --> 01:21:13,020
you kept my name is Antonio. I
forget his name.

1536
01:21:13,140 --> 01:21:16,740
My name is Montoya. You killed
my father. My father die.

1537
01:21:16,740 --> 01:21:16,980
There's

1538
01:21:16,980 --> 01:21:17,640
the cat. Yeah,

1539
01:21:17,940 --> 01:21:22,400
yeah. There's so many of them,
like, conceivable,

1540
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:25,160
my daily, you know, my, that's
kind of darling. But I just, I

1541
01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:27,140
think it's a piece of, I think
it's a piece of art.

1542
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:31,520
It is first one. And then for
me, probably my favorite movie

1543
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:33,980
is gonna have to be rocky,
though, the original rock

1544
01:21:34,100 --> 01:21:35,120
Done, done that

1545
01:21:36,740 --> 01:21:39,500
just, you know, he directed. It
was

1546
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:44,980
the first, uh, a statue for it
too. I think he won an Oscar.

1547
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:47,080
He did. Did he win the Oscar for
Rocky? I

1548
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:50,560
think so. Because yeah, good for
you. Sly. Remember that? Yeah,

1549
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:50,980
and he

1550
01:21:50,980 --> 01:21:54,220
held his guns because all sorts
of studio people were like, We

1551
01:21:54,220 --> 01:21:57,400
want to buy the script. Someone
else can play. Yes, no, I'm

1552
01:21:57,400 --> 01:21:58,540
playing. Yeah.

1553
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:01,980
So the backstory behind it's
good? Yep, you know

1554
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:04,800
you understood the character.
Yeah, yes.

1555
01:22:04,860 --> 01:22:08,880
Totally agree. The assignment,
okay, Jim, ask your thing, your

1556
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:09,360
question.

1557
01:22:09,420 --> 01:22:14,160
So if you had to, at any given
time, someone threatens you with

1558
01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:18,120
your life that you have to play
in a band, a tribute band of

1559
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:20,720
some sort, for the rest of your
life, that's all you can do

1560
01:22:21,140 --> 01:22:28,100
playing the songs over and over
again. What's the band? Kiwi

1561
01:22:28,100 --> 01:22:28,520
Lewis,

1562
01:22:30,380 --> 01:22:34,280
really? I was just thinking when
you were saying that, that's

1563
01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:37,280
such a cool gig, I would not
even need a rehearsal.

1564
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:41,260
There's a lot of flavor in that
music. It's amazing. It's

1565
01:22:41,260 --> 01:22:44,800
so amazing. And you remember
they had one of the fun is

1566
01:22:44,980 --> 01:22:48,160
totally off the they had a
record that came out back in the

1567
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:51,160
90s too, called Plan B. You
remember that one? Yeah. Do you

1568
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:53,200
guys do anything off of that? I

1569
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:58,240
don't want me such a good
record. I gotta look. I mean, in

1570
01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:01,740
the actual tribute band, it's a
lot of the hits, yeah? For sure,

1571
01:23:01,740 --> 01:23:02,160
you're gonna

1572
01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:04,500
have to do the hits. Plan B was
kind of their, all their off.

1573
01:23:04,500 --> 01:23:06,600
They was, I was such a fan of
that, yeah? But,

1574
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:08,340
I mean, it's not an easy band,

1575
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:09,540
no, yeah,

1576
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:13,020
horns too and all that. Right?
They

1577
01:23:13,020 --> 01:23:16,080
have a little bit of tracks, but
occasionally, I think they play

1578
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:18,060
in Nashville, though. They
played at the Franklin theater

1579
01:23:18,060 --> 01:23:22,100
and they hired a horn section,
yeah? Nice. So, yeah, I've never

1580
01:23:22,100 --> 01:23:23,480
played with them yet, but that's

1581
01:23:23,480 --> 01:23:26,480
gonna be amazing. Yeah, that's
gonna be amazing. Yeah, I would,

1582
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:29,840
I won't think I would ever, I
mean, if I had the chance to do

1583
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:32,900
something like that, and the
situation were right, I was, I

1584
01:23:32,900 --> 01:23:35,180
don't think I would ever get
tired of doing that. Right?

1585
01:23:36,500 --> 01:23:39,260
I have so many different things
I've always wanted to do, like,

1586
01:23:39,860 --> 01:23:44,080
uh, the theme bands. You know,
you could do heavy, uh, hard

1587
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:48,100
rock type of approach, but, but
like the Bon Jovi stuff journey,

1588
01:23:48,700 --> 01:23:52,120
but do it really well, yeah?
Because, I mean, I just that's,

1589
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:53,620
that's my center. That's what I
would shut

1590
01:23:53,620 --> 01:23:56,920
it on, note for note, yep, for
the most part. For the most

1591
01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:57,520
part, yeah,

1592
01:23:57,580 --> 01:24:00,660
bass drum. Bass drum patterns
are messy, but yeah, other stuff

1593
01:24:00,660 --> 01:24:02,880
pretty much dialed in. Yeah. So

1594
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:06,120
yeah, that's cool. Those are but
bands are really, really fun.

1595
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:08,700
That's fun too. That I've seen
too, is that with with helping,

1596
01:24:08,700 --> 01:24:11,760
occasionally, I'll help Carrie
Anne tear down at the end of the

1597
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:15,240
night, and sometimes the bands
are still playing, and the

1598
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:18,900
wedding bands around, because I
did a little bit of that back in

1599
01:24:18,900 --> 01:24:20,720
the day. Me too. With Joe

1600
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:28,280
Turner. We love the harmonica on
our show. Yeah, used to

1601
01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:32,780
play and do wedding band stuff
with him and and he was great.

1602
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:37,100
And a lot of the wedding bands
nowadays are doing newer, like

1603
01:24:37,100 --> 01:24:41,680
current music and stuff, and
they're tight, yeah, dialed. I

1604
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:45,700
mean, you're just like, my god,
dialed, really, dialed in good.

1605
01:24:45,700 --> 01:24:48,100
That's kind of here, really.
Well, I didn't know the quality

1606
01:24:48,100 --> 01:24:51,400
of wedding bands was that good.
The ones, yeah, the ones that

1607
01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:53,740
we've Yeah, that are out, yeah.
That's

1608
01:24:53,740 --> 01:24:56,140
kind of expected. Now, getting
back to what you mentioned

1609
01:24:56,140 --> 01:24:58,420
earlier, when I asked you, I
said, you know, the people that

1610
01:24:58,420 --> 01:25:01,500
when you came to town Weren't
you? All, but not, you know,

1611
01:25:01,500 --> 01:25:04,500
they're the people now are
better. You seem to play better.

1612
01:25:04,500 --> 01:25:07,020
Yeah, do you think that's
because of social media, though?

1613
01:25:07,020 --> 01:25:10,680
I mean, because they're seeing
more of an attraction to pursue

1614
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:14,580
a musical career in Nashville
versus New York or LA? I would

1615
01:25:14,580 --> 01:25:15,600
say, I think

1616
01:25:15,660 --> 01:25:19,260
just, just in general, obviously
the Internet has, you know,

1617
01:25:19,620 --> 01:25:22,580
opened up that world to access
to a lot more people than it

1618
01:25:22,580 --> 01:25:26,180
used to, right? Yeah, and so
certainly social media. Is

1619
01:25:26,180 --> 01:25:28,460
there anybody on the internet
that you're following that you

1620
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:31,400
you're kind of digging a lot of,
a lot of like, you know,

1621
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:32,600
trickster drummers,

1622
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:38,600
a lot of that. But I'm
entertained, right? There's some

1623
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:42,040
guys that are doing some crazy,
man, there's this kid, there's a

1624
01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:44,800
band, and I cannot remember his
name or anything, but there's a

1625
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:49,300
kid. He's probably maybe 11
years old or 10 years old. He's

1626
01:25:49,300 --> 01:25:53,200
as good as I've heard a drama,
and I'm not like not not just

1627
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:57,880
flashy fills. He's got that, but
his pocket is absolutely spot

1628
01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:01,500
on. And now they put a band with
a bunch of kids, like, on, on,

1629
01:26:01,500 --> 01:26:03,960
my wife sent it to me the other
day. It was like, and they're,

1630
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:06,960
they're all about the same age,
and they all play phenomenally.

1631
01:26:07,020 --> 01:26:09,540
Wow. You see that every once in
every few months, some kid

1632
01:26:09,540 --> 01:26:14,460
that's five years old is playing
amazing. And this kid I, I'll

1633
01:26:14,460 --> 01:26:18,840
have to look it up, but he is
absolutely the best I've seen at

1634
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:21,560
that small age. Yes, the
evolution

1635
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:25,940
of playing is interesting to see
since the internet, because you

1636
01:26:25,940 --> 01:26:30,200
didn't have that, that access to
all that information when we

1637
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:34,400
came up, you know, we had to
slow the tape down, you know, I

1638
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:37,580
didn't, I didn't know what Neil
was doing on subdivisions until

1639
01:26:37,580 --> 01:26:41,140
I saw the video, you know, the
when he did the the open

1640
01:26:41,140 --> 01:26:44,920
pattern, hi hat ride thing,
yeah. It's like, you, what the

1641
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:47,260
hell are you listening to it?
You're going, what the hell is

1642
01:26:47,260 --> 01:26:50,020
he doing? Yeah. And then I saw
him actually do it in the music

1643
01:26:50,020 --> 01:26:53,680
video when he got there. It was
a Chronicles double VHS tape,

1644
01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:57,940
yeah. Thing with that was, I
guess, the companion offering

1645
01:26:57,940 --> 01:27:02,100
from the album, the best of that
they did. And to watch that

1646
01:27:02,100 --> 01:27:05,640
video, was like, oh, okay, I see
it. Now. I got really

1647
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:08,700
good at just dropping the needle
in the record, really at that

1648
01:27:08,700 --> 01:27:11,160
time, because I was just about
the only way. And then I got me

1649
01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:13,680
my parents bought me for
Christmas the techniques tape

1650
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:16,380
deck. I remember that, yeah, so
I'd stay up late at night. I was

1651
01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:19,560
supposed to go to bed, but I
headphones on and all that have

1652
01:27:19,980 --> 01:27:24,320
record pause and listen to the
radio, and just ready to ready.

1653
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:29,120
So I had my own little mixtapes
with very few, if any, intros,

1654
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:32,900
right? Because you always have
the intro cut off, and that's

1655
01:27:32,900 --> 01:27:33,860
what I would practice

1656
01:27:33,860 --> 01:27:36,980
the DJ talking it up to hit the
post. Yeah, right,

1657
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:39,440
and you like Phil Collins,
right? Alex, guys were girls

1658
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:40,280
twice

1659
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:42,880
loved, yeah, Van Halen. What was

1660
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:48,220
the first drummer? The first guy
that was like, That is awesome.

1661
01:27:52,660 --> 01:27:56,260
It would probably, I mean,
drumming wise, impacting that

1662
01:27:56,260 --> 01:28:01,500
way. It would probably be rush.
It would probably be Neil. Neil,

1663
01:28:01,500 --> 01:28:04,440
just from that standpoint, but I
was just a radio kid. Yeah, I

1664
01:28:04,440 --> 01:28:07,320
listened to whatever was on the
radio. I wasn't real big album,

1665
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:10,380
album, rock album guy, yeah, you
know, I had a few things. First

1666
01:28:10,380 --> 01:28:12,660
one ever I had first one was
news of the World. Queen, News

1667
01:28:12,660 --> 01:28:16,140
of the World. So whoever was
playing on that, obviously, was

1668
01:28:16,140 --> 01:28:19,740
huge. Yeah, I remember Roger
Taylor. Remember tush, uh, fleet

1669
01:28:19,740 --> 01:28:24,140
with Mac. Oh yeah. Tusk, I'm
sorry. You know, you know that

1670
01:28:24,140 --> 01:28:28,760
the rumors just turned 49 did it
really? Did it really? Everybody

1671
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:32,120
has a rumors record. Yeah,
everybody, believe me. You've

1672
01:28:32,120 --> 01:28:32,480
heard it.

1673
01:28:32,480 --> 01:28:34,880
Fleetwood Mac, burn. I got
burned out on Fleetwood Mac

1674
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:38,060
because of the home of rock and
roll. I 95 Yeah, right. Worked.

1675
01:28:38,060 --> 01:28:40,720
They play a lot of it, yeah,
yeah. Constant. Fleetwood Mac,

1676
01:28:41,140 --> 01:28:43,480
yeah, I just don't get this
band,

1677
01:28:43,540 --> 01:28:47,740
don't, you know, don't push it
away. It's, it's, you know,

1678
01:28:47,740 --> 01:28:51,220
because, you know, Mick is such
a interesting, quirky drummer.

1679
01:28:52,180 --> 01:28:58,660
Why is it crash fill in a weird
place, it's gonna boom. Scott,

1680
01:28:58,660 --> 01:29:01,680
great. Jim, that's a good one.
If you could sing it, you can

1681
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:06,120
play it. That's what I tell the
kids. This was such a pleasure

1682
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:06,600
to have you.

1683
01:29:07,740 --> 01:29:11,400
One quick question, yeah, aside
from us, who is a real fun hang

1684
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:13,740
in town, drummer wise for you,
gosh,

1685
01:29:13,740 --> 01:29:14,700
there's a lot of guys

1686
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:18,780
who's a fun in him in town. Dude
a little

1687
01:29:18,780 --> 01:29:20,840
like clicky little bit, I

1688
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:25,220
don't I'm not getting out kind
of a homebody. I do coffees with

1689
01:29:25,220 --> 01:29:27,620
some guys every so often, right?
I'm really proud of Jake

1690
01:29:27,620 --> 01:29:32,000
summers, yes, you know, because
he's when, when Luke was, was

1691
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:34,940
just kind of Luke Holmes was
just start getting going, and we

1692
01:29:34,940 --> 01:29:37,340
go, and he'd ask questions and
stuff like that. And he's

1693
01:29:37,340 --> 01:29:38,720
killing it out there. He just

1694
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:41,920
asked, he asked all the right
things, yeah, and then made

1695
01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:47,140
those things happen. He kind of
used, uh, you know, us, as a

1696
01:29:47,140 --> 01:29:49,180
blueprint. I guess you know what
I mean,

1697
01:29:49,180 --> 01:29:52,780
yeah. And DOM was his teacher,
his mentor, and all that. And I

1698
01:29:52,780 --> 01:29:55,480
tell you what, Dom was really
cool, because he did a, did a

1699
01:29:55,780 --> 01:29:58,540
congress clinic, yeah, in
Houston, at the drum keyboard,

1700
01:29:58,540 --> 01:30:02,040
guitar shop. And I was like.
Teaching and working there part

1701
01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:04,740
time, and he did a clinic, and
he's like, you know, follow your

1702
01:30:04,740 --> 01:30:08,700
heart. And, you know, he really
was very, very inspiring, and a

1703
01:30:08,700 --> 01:30:10,860
big reason to why I went, you
know what? I'm gonna go for it.

1704
01:30:10,860 --> 01:30:13,680
I'm gonna go ahead and move to
Nashville, yeah? Give us a shot.

1705
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:19,920
Totally. Very cool. Yeah. Man,
yeah. Tom Fauci, man, God rest

1706
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:23,840
his soul. Uh, anyways, very nice
to do this in a in a public

1707
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:27,440
setting, because the last coffee
that we shared had to be six

1708
01:30:27,440 --> 01:30:29,780
years ago, which at least I

1709
01:30:29,780 --> 01:30:30,380
need to get out.

1710
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:34,280
You know what I mean? I need to
get I do too. We'll do it

1711
01:30:34,340 --> 01:30:38,780
together, man, we'll get our own
click happening. You know what I

1712
01:30:38,900 --> 01:30:42,640
mean? We'll give Kevin Murphy
and Kia are run for their money.

1713
01:30:42,820 --> 01:30:46,900
Actually mentioned the key, or
Kevin, I'm sorry, Kevin Murphy

1714
01:30:46,900 --> 01:30:50,860
is also, well, Harris. He's
fantastic. He's a monster. He's

1715
01:30:50,980 --> 01:30:55,660
a monster. He's a beast. Great
player. And he is a he is fun.

1716
01:30:55,660 --> 01:30:58,480
We had a lot of fun out on the
road and all that. And actually,

1717
01:30:58,540 --> 01:31:01,740
he subbed for me in a bad time.
My mother suddenly passed away.

1718
01:31:01,740 --> 01:31:05,520
It was in 2014 and he, we were
out on the road, and he sub.

1719
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:08,100
There's like, no problem. I got
this. I got you covered. Nice.

1720
01:31:08,460 --> 01:31:12,720
Yeah, nice. So I and I've toured
with him different acts. Now,

1721
01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:16,020
that's what the year, that's
what you want. And I don't get

1722
01:31:16,020 --> 01:31:19,200
to see enough of him, really.
Yeah, he's a good, he's a good.

1723
01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:21,440
Well, just open up Facebook and
you will see him.

1724
01:31:24,380 --> 01:31:27,260
Yeah, he's really good at doing
the thing, the social media

1725
01:31:27,260 --> 01:31:29,840
thing, I'm not. I mean, if you
open up my Instagram, you're

1726
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:32,720
gonna see me, me and flying,
yeah,

1727
01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:34,880
yeah. Well, that's cool. That's
your, that's your, you know,

1728
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:37,100
like outside drums, passion.

1729
01:31:39,020 --> 01:31:42,280
I'd be remiss also and say, you
know Jules also Jules drums.

1730
01:31:42,940 --> 01:31:46,900
Jules her last name I cannot
pronounce. I don't know that

1731
01:31:46,900 --> 01:31:52,120
I've ever known it, massia, M
ace, oh, my God, I don't know

1732
01:31:52,120 --> 01:31:54,700
her last Jules drums is her
handle. Oh, yeah, Instagram,

1733
01:31:54,760 --> 01:31:58,000
yeah. Phenomenal. Drummer, AC
national. Drummer, just moved to

1734
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:02,700
Nashville. She's from New
Jersey. Yeah, and she's killer.

1735
01:32:02,700 --> 01:32:05,940
She's absolutely killer. I
haven't another one. Everybody

1736
01:32:05,940 --> 01:32:10,380
look at Jules drums. Jules
drums. And, yeah, another one.

1737
01:32:10,380 --> 01:32:13,920
Tucker Wilson, Jesus. Tucker's
Great. Jesus, he's good. He's

1738
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:16,860
killer. He played on, on who's
he playing with?

1739
01:32:16,860 --> 01:32:19,020
He's a shark guy. God,

1740
01:32:20,460 --> 01:32:24,440
it's the dementia. So no, but we
just didn't take our privacy.

1741
01:32:25,220 --> 01:32:30,080
Didn't well, that guy, he's
Justin Moore. Justin Moore. He's

1742
01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:32,540
played their whole band, played
on the on the latest record.

1743
01:32:32,540 --> 01:32:34,220
He's killed. That's

1744
01:32:34,220 --> 01:32:39,080
me calling Justin short. That's
funny. I'm just a couple, maybe

1745
01:32:39,080 --> 01:32:42,160
a couple inches taller than him.
I kick sand on him on the beach.

1746
01:32:42,160 --> 01:32:48,040
Yeah. So fun, Steve, thank you
so let's get together. We'll see

1747
01:32:48,040 --> 01:32:50,320
you guys. Well, thank you for
some bone marrow at Lachlan

1748
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:52,780
table. I love it. Let's do it.
We appreciate you, man,

1749
01:32:52,780 --> 01:32:56,980
congratulations on everything,
and thank you for helping me. 28

1750
01:32:57,340 --> 01:32:59,920
years ago, glad to do it. I
appreciate it. Glad I did. Jim.

1751
01:32:59,920 --> 01:33:02,040
Did you have good time. Oh yeah,
man, as always. Thank you for

1752
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:04,500
your time and talent as always.
And I will ask the listeners,

1753
01:33:04,500 --> 01:33:06,960
hey, if you bought my book,
making it in country music and

1754
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:09,960
insiders, look at the industry
and you love it, give me a five

1755
01:33:09,960 --> 01:33:12,300
star rating on Amazon, and then
maybe I'll reach out to the

1756
01:33:12,300 --> 01:33:15,960
folks at Audible, and I will
read the book so you can consume

1757
01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:19,800
it on your commute or at the gym
all that stuff. Also be sure to

1758
01:33:19,800 --> 01:33:23,960
subscribe, share, rate and
merch. You yes and merch, yes,

1759
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:28,700
Jim, but wait by this time this
comes out, we may have merch. We

1760
01:33:28,700 --> 01:33:31,880
may have we're gonna have t
shirts, hoodies, hats. We're

1761
01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:35,600
gonna have mug, coffee mugs.
We're gonna have all the stuff

1762
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:38,240
that's right. All right, thanks.
Thank you everyone. We'll see

1763
01:33:38,240 --> 01:33:39,320
you next time. Thanks guys.

1764
01:33:42,860 --> 01:33:46,720
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1765
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