Unknown: Kind of got out of style, and there are so many
nutrients in organ meats that we need.
Fiber. Fiber, yeah. Fiber, yeah. Nowadays. Fiber, a lot of people
eat the placenta, whoa, after a birth of a baby.
Oh, my God. But who people eat it? I never hear I mean, that's
a lot of nutrients. There
are tons of tons of nutrients in the holy cow, geez, buddy, you
look like a freaking character out of a zombie thriller. But
when you're done, I don't
know if I would do that. We definitely have to, you know,
pop it in some olive oil. This is the rich Redmond show. What
is a is up, folks? Yep, your iPhone, your watch, your clock,
is correct. It is that time. It's time for another exciting,
always exciting, I hope. Episode of the rich Redmond Show coming
to you from beautiful Spring Hill, Tennessee. We talk about
great things like music, motivation, success, whatever
comes up in the room. Lots of drummers. Drummers are the
heartbeat of this city. Without a great drummer, I mean, a good
drummer can take an average band and lift them to heavenly
heights. A bad drummer can take a superior band and just make
the whole thing tank. Now, I'm lucky that I'm talking to my
good pal who is a great drummer. He doesn't get to do it all the
time, but he does have a gig coming up at the city winery.
He's gonna be playing in a Huey Lewis tribute band. Jim
McCarthy. Jim McCarthy, voiceovers.com when is the gig?
Jim, it is may 28
at City winery, and it's the heart of rock and roll. Dude.
I'm so proud of you because mentally, like, law of
attraction wise, you basically just said I'm gonna play drums.
I'm gonna be in
your BEN, yeah? And the guitar player
was in my is in my BNI chapter, and someone connected me to him,
and I invited him in. He became a member, yeah? And the first
time I met him, I said, Well, just be prepared that I'm gonna
be your drummer.
Nice guy, yeah, real nice. I can't wait to come cheer you on.
I've never seen you play a gig as a
first and the last time for everything. No,
no, you're they're gonna love you. And you've been doing the
immersion technique that we always talk about, which is, you
play along to the music. You make your little charts, if you
want to, but for the most part, you're driving around, you're
working out, you're living the music. Every time you're in your
car, you're listening to it. Yep, you're air drumming. So
it's going to be part of your DNA. So I'm excited about that.
Now, before I introduce today's guest, I'm so excited about it.
You wanted to talk publicly about my incredible lack of
knowledge about sports ball. Yes, sports ball. Now, by the
time this episode comes out, somebody will have won the Super
Bowl, that's right. And who are you? Sports ball or the Super
Bowl? Sports ball. Sports ball, yeah, I don't know if we could
say the Super Bowl.
Why not? This the awesome bowl? Let's just refer it as that.
Yeah, yeah. It's all the different copyrights they have.
But the the Eagles and the chiefs are playing,
yeah? Those are like two superpowers. You know, they
always have been with celebrity quarterbacks that have the
girlfriends in the public eye.
Well, there's a Travis Kelsey being on the Chiefs is dating
Taylor Swift. And, you know, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if
there's a proposal coming Sunday, which means that the
Chiefs have to win, and it's all rigged anyway. So
rigged, yeah, what is this about? Conspiracy Theory, guy?
Look at the past games with, you know, several chiefs instances,
and the way the refs call the game is questionable,
interesting. They can control the narrative and the outcome of
the game by certain calls. Well, we're gonna open we're gonna
open up this conversation to our guest today. But the most
exciting thing about Sunday for me is I've checked what's on the
menu for our hosts, and one of these things is this creamy.
It's like a chicken dip. It's like this creamy. It's my
favorite thing. So I'm going to be just by the bowl of that all
day long,
right? Because you give yourself permission to eat badly at Super
Bowl. Heck,
yeah. No breakfast, no lunch, just going in straight for the
it's almost like a second Thanksgiving. Yeah, okay, let's
get to
this. Because this guy, I mean, I would be, I wouldn't have a
career in Nashville, because this guy was so nice to me in
1919 97 when I moved to Nashville, this gentleman had
already been here four years, hailing from Houston, Texas,
calling Nashville, Tennessee home for 33 years. He is an
amazing drummer. He's been playing with his artist, Dirks
Bentley for the same amount of time that I've been playing with
Al Dean, 26 years. He's played on two number one songs, two
Grammy needed nominated projects. Dirks Bentley over 20
number one songs. We toured together back in the day. We got
a lot of stories to share. Our friend Steve misomore, What's
up, pal? Thank you so much for having me, dude. Thank
you so much looking great in that Dolce and Gabbana. Thank
you, nice buddy. Some goat or deer died for you. Some
animal gave his life so I could look good.
Hashtag, cool. And everybody should know that you and I are a
long time DW endorsers you got the hat on today. A hat on,
yeah, yes. I love dw, yes, yeah. And you're a maple mahogany guy,
right? Um, actually,
Maple gum. Recently I am. I do have two maple mahogany kits
too, as well as maple kit. Yeah,
my session kit is a maple mahogany but for the most part,
I'm always just a standard 1980s technology off the shelf, shelf,
Maple drum
guy you cannot beat maple shells, straight up, just maple,
yeah, however, Maple mahogany, which I've seen some of the
stuff you've talked about, yeah, especially for live touring and
all that, is a front house guy's dream,
birch. Birch is not good or no. Birch is
great too. It just Maple is maple just has the power the
mahogany in it just kind of tones it down. Just a skosh,
just a little bit because
mahogany, I think, was export back in the day, Pearl export,
that was the primary wood they made, um
exports, a lot of entry level kits back in the day, like my
first Yamaha stage drum set. I forget the last stage custom was
Philippine mahogany, which is kind of a very affordable wood,
yeah, but it's got a lot of snap and attack to it, you know,
yeah, it's still
a good sounding wood. But
again, birch are great sounding kits. The Opry did have a birch
kit for a long time. It was a Yamaha recording company. It was
a birch kit. That was a birch snare. I remember that was like,
I love it was a good sounding kit. I
love me some recording costs, but let
me Can't you just tune a drum the sound? Make it sound
amazing, no matter what,
for the most part, unless it's a crazy bad out of round Yeah, old
drum, or even the
bearing edges are off just a bit, yeah? Maybe
so. But the thing about dw is that particularly, their true
tone, their the lugs on there are, there's a higher thread
count, yeah? So you can really get things dialed. And just the
way that they have their build, you cannot mess up a DW drum.
Yeah, I've never heard one where you cannot just you hear the
beat frequency, you can tune it up just like that. They
put the let, the note letter on the inside of
the still tone. Tap them and yeah, freaking crazy. Yes.
It's like a polite suggestion. Yeah, it's not that this
is where have you ever, like, tuned him to the I
have to say, I have not. I've experimented
with but unfortunately, your intervals necessarily aren't
gonna be Yeah, what you write, you know aren't gonna be there,
but, yeah, but I don't do that. Yeah, I
think it was Terry bazio. I read in an interview one time he
talked about the musical note intervals that he had on all his
times. I'm going, Are you serious, like,
a chromatic kit, right? Yeah. So, well,
he's from another planet. Yeah, you played on his kit right over
there, yeah, at dw, and I've sat behind it is, it's just, where
do you begin? I can't, he does. Yeah,
you work your way left to right somehow, yeah? But I get
to left and like, Okay, that's good.
It's basically like playing a piano that is drums
right, times 10, right, yeah,
yeah. Our friend Victor Salazar, you know the drum was for
Chicago. Yeah, he's very much inspired by Terry, and he has a
Terry bazio inspired drum set. So have you ever,
yes, I have played on that kit live a long time ago, went to
Victor's place. Yeah? And yeah, he's got that kit. And, you
know, God, that's about all I could. He goes, have as much
fun. There's two kids, yeah, I think, Oh,
he's got spokes and he's got, like, trash can lids on a remote
high hat. Yeah, he's that guy. Now, it's funny, um, there's,
there's a kid named Wayne Wilburn, and he was Terry's tech
for the longest of time, but we went together at school,
together at Texas Tech University, and then when he got
out of school, he moved to Austin, Texas. At the time,
Terry was living in Austin, and I think Wayne was working as
either like a sous chef, or he was making sushi or something
with a Sue sound. And Terry met him at this restaurant and said,
Hey, kid, you want to so he traveled the world with Terry
for decades, and he had tuned those drums every day, wow, set
him up, yes, very early. That would
be an interesting YouTube video to watch, to watch the guy.
That would be great time lapse and speed it up. Like, yeah,
sure. Like, Portnoy
needs to do that for his kid that he's touring with. He has a
monster. He's going to be here Monday, apparently. Oh, and
you're going to see him. I am nice. You were invited. Jim
likes the Dream Theater, yeah, yeah. I like, you know, the
occasional girl in the audience, you know,
wow, ouch. We're a rush guy. Were you? I
love rush, but it, you know, I was more of a police guy, I
know, yeah.
But as of in their later years, I believe rush had a much
heavier female presence in their audience
when they started adding the news.
You ever see that the College Humor with Paul Rudd and the
other guy, Jason
Sudeikis, not so DECA. Jason. Um, born that.
Jason Bourne, yeah, but anyway, it was the same guys from, I
love you, man. Oh yeah, nice. And they go backstage to meet
the band, and I think Jason eats Neil's sandwich. Jason Siegel.
Siegel, that's right. And that's when they go, you know, the the
modern day war today is Tom soy and Getty's looking at, did you
just say Tom soy? That's what you say. Like, I don't say that.
He goes, Yeah, you do. It's a very you've now, you've never
seen
the link. I have not. I really got, I don't think I've
seen this is a brilliant film. He is. He really is, yeah, yeah.
I really enjoy his movies.
Yeah, that Neil gets upset because they ate his sandwich. I
did not, I've not seen this. Yeah, yeah. And it basically be
like, I think, I think Neil even says, as they're walking back
off stage, which probably never happened, because I think Neil
just bolted all the time, yeah. He says, You know, I think I
counted five females in the audience,
the only one now, Jules Thomas loves rush. You know the DW
educational director.
Oh, yeah. Okay. She Yeah. She loves rush, man. Have you seen
the documentary? Which one document? Yeah, it
was, How many were there from the latest one? There was one in
2011 2012 and my wife and I watched it. She kind of humored
me because we were talking about it where I worked, and I'm like,
I gotta get around. You know, it was called Beyond the light at
stage. And I asked Courtney, hey, you know, do you mind
watching this? And she goes, you know, if you want to watch it,
let's put it on so we watched it. She said, you know, that
didn't make me a fan of the band, but I have a deeper
appreciation for what they do.
It was the one that had more of a personal insight into them as
people, as players. It showed where they came from, and all of
that kind of I thought it was amazing. I was a huge rush. Was
that the one where they was in high school
at the end, they're all sitting at the table getting hammered,
probably, yeah, they're all freaking just
sloshed, yeah, I just remember it was just really, really, it
was well done. It was like, well deserved.
The one that they did for the very last tour was interesting
as well, because it really goes into, like they shut everything
down because Neil was just done, yeah, he says, You don't
realize, you know, going into being 60 years old playing this
music, it's a marathon. You know? It is so physically
taxing. Your hands hurt, your feet hurt. And he was more
interested in mapping out the next motorcycle route to the
next show.
That was his happy place. I was Yeah. And now, you know our
buddy, Chris stanky from Sabian, um Jules, his husband is was
very close personal friends with Neil, so they spent a lot of
time together. Mad respect. I mean, that's a lot of music
coming from three people. Oh God. And to think that Walter
Getty could play all of that business
and doing vamps on the feet. I mean,
that's five way coordination,
yeah? And they see they all seem like such cool dudes,
yeah? Especially Alex seems really funny. Yeah. You know, we
were actually
doing an episode of this show with Cole Cole Marcus. Cole
Marcus. And that's the day we found out Neil died. It was
during an episode I was doing my executive producer thing,
looking stuff up on the internet and whatever, while you guys
were talking. And you see my visceral reaction of finding
out, yeah, I'll never oh my gosh,
jeez, buddy. All right,
we had his bus driver. Neil's bus driver was our driver for a
sub driver for one weekend. So naturally, I sat up in the
front. Was asking him questions, and he would drive his
motorcycle and the bus driver would follow him, but he just
would ride his motorcycle to the to the gigs or to wherever they
were going, Yeah, and he had the bus and he would just follow
him, yeah,
and then he'd somehow have to sleep. At some point. He must
have a strange schedule, because, you know what I mean,
because usually, like, you're on the bus, yeah, sleeping, yeah,
you know.
Well, he would have to, you know, I guess it was a guarantee
of him getting to the gig. Somebody had to tell him, yeah,
you know, totally, where's Neil? I don't know, somewhere between
Oregon and Seattle. He was crossing between Montana and
Idaho through bear tooth pass. I'm
not a motorcycle guy. I don't trust myself. I have you ever
ridden one? Not very scary, very scary. I mean, like to dress
like I ride motorcycles, right? You know what? I mean, same. But
I think that I would, if I got a motorcycle, I would go 20 miles
an hour.
See, I got it out of my system early. I was an early teenager,
my father bought us, uh huh, well, oddly enough, a Honda
Odyssey. But it wasn't known then as a minivan. And back
then, it was a dune buggy, like it had a roll cage and
everything, big old off road tires, and you sat in it had a
steering wheel. It was called an Honda Odyssey. And then the
successor to it was the Honda Pilot. Oh, same thing, same kind
of engine and everything. And part of that, my father was very
good to us. He bought us a it was a 1984 200 CCC, CCC, cc
motorcycle, dirt bike that actually I learned the concept
of manual clutch and stick shift on that motorcycle. Wow. Wow.
And I wrote it off road, and got my father did it, to get it out
of our system so we wouldn't have a street bike
faster speed manual, five,
five. But it was, you know, with the gears. It gave you the
concept of how a clutch works, because you had to, you know, do
this and everything. Your clutch was on your left hand, and you
did that kind of a thing, would then go through the gears that
way, like a slam, pretty much, yeah, yeah.
Sometimes me and my wife like to take, we have a 2009 Honda
Element, still owned an element, yes, and we have, it's a fight.
It's a stick. Sometimes we like going to, like a nice restaurant
in it, just to see the valet kids go,
what do I do? Yes, instant security. You see, we
see the kid jump in, and often he jumps out, yeah, and he goes
to somebody else, like, there's always one guy, the older guy,
the older guy, older guy. And he's like, Yeah,
I own four of those. And they were never had the stick, but
over the years, and it was, you know, $20,000 or less, a great,
reliable drama. Why
did they stop making them is, is I cannot? I mean, it's so
stupid. They're amazing. They and you can, yeah, they're just
ours. Is still incredible. 200 200,000 over 210,000 something
like that. Awesome. Yeah?
Those vehicles that it was deceptively large, yeah, the
seats out of it. Yeah, you could, you could fit, like
another car in
there, and practically can hose it out just to, just to clean it
out. My so Carrie and my wife's a florist, a wedding florist. So
has in the past. We have a van now, but it was like we had it
in the past. Have sometimes packed that thing up full. Yeah,
of stuff, yeah, hey, man,
wedding florist, that is lucrative. Yeah, because
General, just, I mean people, I mean, well, yeah. I mean, if one
little bouquet like get, well, is $150 and then they add the
text, I'm thinking about the amount of flowers that
are about one 800 flowers. That kind of a stash. She does, my
wife just does carry an just does weddings and events. And we
used to have a floral shop by Kroger in Providence in Mount
Juliet. Yeah. And did that for about five or six years, and she
just kind of realized it retail is difficult. It's so difficult
doing that kind of thing. So she loved, she loved, she loves the
one on one with the bride. She loves being able to meet the
bride and the mom and make that vision, her the bride's vision,
come to life. That's the goal, the entire goal. And in that
process, it's done very, very well. So she's usually booked
out a year and a half. That's weddings are kind of booked out
that far. But she's booked out she can work as much as she
wants to. So
is it a thing where, like, they design it? So she has a
relationship with a vendor. She's got to go get the flowers.
Pretty much still, she'll have a meeting with the with the bride,
and figure out, sometimes they have an idea, sometimes they
don't, sometimes they'll have a look book or some sort of idea,
even if they don't have any idea, Karen is like, what's your
favorite color? Let's go from there. And then Carrie Ann will
kind of mock up or come together and say, Okay, this is a kind of
bouquet we can do. And what your budget? If it's too much, let's
figure out. Let's figure out a way to make it
work for you. With dandelions are in your more of your budget
range,
that would be more my budget clovers Clovis,
how long you crazy kids? Been married?
20 years, nice. 20 years has passed, yeah?
So really, kind of like right after we were all doing because
you and I, here's the deal. I want to go back to Barbara's,
but we were on the road together, so you're, you're
talking to a younger Jason l Dean Dirks Bentley and Miranda
Lambert all coming up together. So playing like nightclubs,
fairs, three quarter basketball arenas, and we either opened up
for you on some things, or we would do things where we would
take turns as headliners, kind of a thing. And we were, at the
time we're doing somewhere between 180 and two, 200 chosen
the year would have been oh 60708, something like that. So
oh six would be coming up on 20 years. So you guys got married
right around that time,
2004 Yeah, yeah. Wow. Nice. Good for you. Actually, remember,
remember, you know, actually, you know, here's this funny
story as last year, maybe a couple years ago, we were
sitting in bed and watching TV, yeah, and we were both kind of
like, and I just realized, I was like, it was June, like, the
10th or 15th, or something like that. And I was like, Oh my God.
And she's like, what? And I was like, our wedding anniversary
was, like,
two weeks ago. That's awesome. We both forgot, right? And so
we were like, oh, you know, we went to Laughlin table last
week. It's, it's our favorite place. Lachlan tape went to
Laughlin table. And I was like, and I was like, well, let's just
count that as they were like, okay, yeah, that's how you
marriage. Well, you
got to do something special for this year. That's what my wife
and I did for our 20
we bought a plane. Okay, forget Barbara.
Tell us about this. You know. Because we were talking and
burning through this, this great concept of you, obviously your
world class Dr, your career drummer, when he started flying
airplanes, flying
airplanes started in 2013
All right, so Dirks flies, yeah, and we've both. Both are like
aviation nerds, and talked about he got his private pilot's
license in in college, yeah, but he hasn't flown in a long time.
So when he made he started having the kids started coming,
he really was starting to get that desire of being able to get
back to the gig quicker. Our big get home from the gig quicker,
and was able to buy a Cirrus. And he offered me the
opportunity to go ahead and get my private pilot's license too.
So I was like, absolutely. So I got my private also with the
spirit that you would sometimes be put to work, to fly the band
home, to fly the hand home. Yes, no,
there would be FAA regulations and sort of safety issues. Okay,
we did not, all right, so, yeah, I was flying, and then lo and
behold, last year, it just kind of made more sense to purchase a
plane. Her name is Charlene, as I told you earlier, since 1981
152,
wow. 1981
plane, right? No,
well, yeah, 40 something you're considering a legacy plane. Yes,
you could play, you could change out all the engines.
It's got a, it's got a fairly recent engine in it, and you can
change out other things. Got good bones. So it's got good
bones because she's a beautiful plane. A lover. Yeah? So much
fun. So much fun to fly. Yeah? So me, my wife, we've gone to
Chattanooga, and we've, we've flown a little bit, and the idea
is just to be able to fly to Atlanta, see the god kids, or
fly down to Huntsville, or see friends, or, you know, within an
hour flight kind of a thing, and have fun.
Who are you God kids? To
Paul Hart. Paul and Allison Hart. Do I know Paul will? He
used to be an engineer, actually at I worked with Paul back in
the station, okay, all right. And he got out of the music
business, right? He got out of the music business and they
moved. They live outside of Atlanta, North East of Atlanta,
and that he works for a company that does data acquisitions for
construction. That's as close as I can explain it.
Data acquisition. Isn't that what Elon Musk is doing right
now? Probably. So let's open the front lines and see what you
think. Yeah, one 800 I made
a political joke. Guys, oh my gosh, great guys. Is the first
time for everything. So I remember Paul Hart now, now
speaking about Sony, Sony tree. This is kind of like, like a
linchpin in your story. This is a, it's just like, if you have a
book that's a dog ear, you're dog earing that page, because
that's how you met Dirks, right through Sony tree. No, not
through Sony tree. Actually, he, uh, he was playing down on
Market Street, on Second Avenue. Yep, that's a, it was a club
right Market Street. Yeah, it's still there, is it, but it has
been shut down for years. And then after the bomb, I'm not
even sure what happened when you were in the Christmas Day bomb
and Christmas, I think there was some damage, but I'm not sure. I
don't really remember I played it. We even played there, huh? I
played there in the corner Market Street is a little tiny,
yeah, never had, never had before. It's crazy. But he
called and was like, I do bluegrass and 5060, shuffles.
And I was like, at the time I was playing, it was post
Barbara's, and I was playing, like, at Legends and a few of
those places that played country music, yeah,
legends and Roberts, how much for the drummer in the window
too.
So I was like, Absolutely, I'm there. And so he went to these
great players on that tiny little stage there with the TV
above you. And he would bring in his pa at a big, wide his truck.
He still has the same truck pull up there and all that. And then
Carrie Ann would come, would run the tip jar, or his girlfriend
at the time would run the tip jar. And any it's really good
players. And it was just great. It's just great country music,
yeah, and mostly bluegrass. Now the Sony tree thing. How that
happened? Yeah, I had a part time job working at Sony tree in
the tape room. I worked originally on a project that was
you would take the archives. You would take two track, two inch
or a quarter inch tape, two track, reel to reel, yes, and
you transfer that to digital audio tape, to that tape, and
then catalog and stuff. So this is like listening to old demos
from the 70s. What a cool job. It was amazing. You're
being paid to be educated about the history of Nashville, 100%
and
they used to have also, they used to have it in the tape
room. They had a wall full 1000, like 1500 to 2000 records. So
anything that they'd ever gotten a cut on over the years, they
got a copy of it. Just pull out an album and listen to stuff.
And this is at the time I was working at barbers, when it was
like nine to three in the morning. A lot of times I would
at three in the morning come back and do tape order,
sometimes just till like six in the morning, just just to come
back and like. Listen to more listen more tunes, and I'll
listen to old country. It was a huge education on traditional
action, you know, traditional country music. So yeah, your
shuffle is good. It was there for a while. It's kind of
gone away. Well, no one playing a damn shuffle. But I remember
when I met you in 1997 at barbers. Let me just tell you
this, the scene was Pat McDonald, Lee Kelly.
Oh, my God, Lee. Lee Kelly as matter, if I got to give a shout
out to Yes, he was the one that recommended me to Dirks, because
he had played with Dirks down there. And Lee Kelly was like,
You got to call Steve misomo. He, like, he's more cut out for
this. Yeah. Lee wasn't, I don't know if he wanted to do the gig,
yeah, but yeah, I've told Lee too. I was like, Man, I owe you
a beer.
Yeah?
So that's just that our generation, Pat McDonald, Lee
Kelly, me, Jim Riley, we're going down to Barbara's, which
is in, which was in printers alley. You had to walk down the
stairs. And there they had music seven nights a week, 365, it was
a real scene. Dudes playing country music, and you were
always on the drums. And so Jim Riley and I come with our
diligent shirt and our pagers. He's
gonna deny this, but he because he has denied it before, but I
swear to God, because it is burned into my brain. When he
came down to barbers, he had long, curly hair. Yep, you you
knew? Yeah, you guys fanny pack, right? A fanny pack with a
zillion shirt Yep. And came in, and I was like, in between the
break, I was like, I'm guessing you're a drummer. And he's and
he's so nice, and we met right away, and he was kind of, he was
into his North Texas State, so he got up and played and stuff.
Was playing on the thimble stands and playing on the way,
yeah, it was crazy. Oh my god. It was crazy.
It was hilarious. He's like, here's my showcase, here's my
shot. Yeah,
here's my shot, right? But He's amazing. He's incredible drummer
today, even, and, and once he kind of figured it out, but it
was, it was fun because we were living together. You guys didn't
you guys were roommates, yeah, for a while. And then,
you know, he, he played on lower Broadway, and then he got the
chestnut cake pretty early on. But you were so nice. You know,
you were just a nice cat. You're like,
oh yeah, call me on a good day.
It's like, I'm really not that nice.
Come on up. So you just let folks sit in Sure, yeah, kind of
part of the thing and stuff.
And sometimes it worked, sometimes a day Fowler,
sometimes it didn't. Oh my god, I thought about that name, Rod
Jensen. Rod Jensen, yeah, he was in Dirks band, yeah, the first
six years. He had
a yeah tenure with you guys who's in the band now?
Well, I don't even know their names. I don't really wasn't
Robbie Harrington in the band for a while. Robbie Harrington
was in the band for a while, but now it's Cassidy season beyond
base. That's right. Cassidy and Tim surgeon, who has been in the
band for 18 years. We did Pam, tell us together. He did the
Dixie Chicks. He's Skaggs for years. Great music, great funny,
funniest guy in the band. So dry Dan hors on fiddle and guitars
and stuff like that. A band leader too. Charlie warsham,
that's right, because we played this for a few years now. Ben
helsin, who also Skaggs, played in Skaggs as band, yeah. Am I
missing anybody? No, I think that's it, yeah. And then Dirks
Bentley on acoustic. And
then your drum tech, is it still Jay BJ
Abner, I was doing drums and bass.
Wow. Now, where did Jay go? He got into, more into Road,
managing a production. You got
into, yeah, I don't know he think he's, I'm not sure who
he's out with right now, um, he got in. He was Production
Manager with us, and then he left and went to, I can't, I'm
not sure you
remember Miranda's early band. There was a the drummer, Keith
sabrosky. Remember Keith was with Miranda, and then, because
he was in a, he was in a pop rock band, I forgot what it was,
nine tails, or that one hit, is the story of a girl, that one,
and I thought he was alive for man, but he just, I just, I
don't, yeah, he,
you know, changes, not for everyone. Were changes, yeah,
there were changes. Everybody to you, there's gonna be some
changes made, and you're actually, yeah, everybody ended
up getting, you know, being having about 20 number one
songs, yeah, if not more. This is incredible, yeah. Well,
thanks for letting me sit in with with my fanny pay. It's
kind
of crazy. This is you've done amazing. And also, too, I wanted
to give a shout out to you. I've always wanted to tell you this
because you, thank you to you. Thank you to you. This is
already getting weird, isn't it, you are singly responsible for
putting national drummers on the map. Wow, I think yes. If they
had to say, well, who did it? Well, rich Redmond drop that
mic. Who's Who's told you that before? Boom, yeah. So thank
you. Well, thanks. I met him
back in the day when we did a lot of that, and I guess I had a
hand in helping you, I
would say, because Jim was always like, shout from a
mountain top all the world, you exist
and get all the video content out there. We did, like, a
couple of videos where people thought you were a comedian. Oh
yeah. People were like, This guy's a drummer, or is he a
comedian? It's like, you know. No, take it as a, you know, it's
one of those things that, you know, you got a lot of shade for
it, but, you know what? Who cares? You just
got to persist. And you got to there's only one you right?
Every every snowflake that falls to earth, this is crazy. That's
proof of God, every snowflake is different. Yeah, that's crazy.
Yes. How many different ways can you make a snowflake? You can
make them the red. You can make them blue, either way. I mean,
cheese. I
got a little political there for a second.
Oh, my god, wow. This is good. Jim, you're next. You know,
good. Here are my thoughts on abortion. Is that a billboard?
Did you get that from Bill not bill burr. It was, oh gosh,
what's his name? The other, the other, yeah, is that Bill Burr?
It was silver, yeah, it was, it was another shouting
comedian. So one of the I
got, what's his name, it
wasn't Sebastian maniscal. Edit this
later, the guy, the guy who got canceled for a season,
oh yeah, it was Louis
CK. He touched himself, yeah, he said he started out
as act, yeah, I'm
in Toronto and but I thought it was Bill berth. I don't
know that I heard Louis CK do it, and I thought that was
hilarious.
My wife surprised me one a few years ago with the pre pandemic,
with a great surprise. She goes, we're going to Boston. She goes,
I'm not going to tell you what it is. I was like, Okay, let's
go to Boston. And we love Boston. Boston's amazing. And I
thought, you know, I'm kind of I was like, I don't want to be
surprised. I want to be surprised. I don't want to try
to look it up and spoil it or anything like that. Although I
did see that sticks was playing in town. I was like, well,
that's that'd be kind of cool. Yeah, I was a huge sticks fan.
Was a kid and Todd, what's up? And, and, yeah, is amazing. But
so we got to Boston, and she had surprised me. Every year they
have a comedians at the garden, the gadgets comedians or
something. It's a fundraiser, obviously, yeah, and I'm gonna
forget David, Dave Chappelle. No, not Dave Chappelle, but from
up there. He just is in a I'm gonna forget the name. I cannot
believe in forgetting this name, but I just remembered the story
a bunch of comedians from up there, and a night packed house
in the garden. We got they messed up our seats, so now we
got third row seats. Nice. It was unbelievable. And I thought
that's what Bill Burr said, because he was like, that is,
well, let's, well maybe, let's calm this down. But no, you
could, you're but we saw CK in Toronto, and so he could have,
maybe it was that. So I'm your memory, I bet is better than
mine. I remember seeing it on, like, one of these Netflix
special kind of things that popped up. I'm like, I'll check
it out. And I probably watched it for about five minutes until
I bailed out on it. But that's how he opened it. There might
be that might that's kind of his style. Total dark suitcase just
comes right out. Yeah. But the thing in Boston was so amazing.
It was I had never laughed so hard. Laughter is such good
medicine. And when you're third row, you are in grave danger of
being picked on. We thought, so, yeah, fortunately, it was, it
was, I mean, it's so, I mean, you know, it's the garden. So, I
mean, you're just so many people. I mean, you guys went
there, right? Have you played there? No, no, not the garden.
Have you you guys talking about, you're talking about the Boston
Garden, Boston Garden, TD Garden, the Boston probably 10.
We did it. We did the Boston Strong concert with Harold Smith
and Boston the band, the band. It was crazy. Another favorite
Carol King was Steve Gadd under rums, who, Yeah, that guy and
Gad we trust, well, well, man, that is I, man, I appreciate you
saying that dude is, uh, I'm glad that we all benefited,
because Nashville is a it is right up there with New York and
LA as far as, like, a beautiful musical community, and as far as
the drum culture, like we are thick as thieves, and we really
do lift each other up and support each other, we do. We
do tell ourselves that drummers run this town, that we're the
only people we tell but yeah, it
all starts with a song. But unless you have that beat to
bring it to life years, I mean, it's poetry, just
leave it on paper.
So no drums, just simply poetry. Well, it
really is. It's from a guitar town, strictly guitar town into
everything, yeah, yeah. And that song that's really cool. Well,
songwriting town primarily, yeah, but that's something fun
for me. And I'm sure you've seen this too, or asking you if
you've seen this as well. Probably for me, in the past 12
years, the playing level everybody is good, yeah, you
know when they're out.
It wasn't like that when he came to town, though. No, really what
my
experience was, uh, was a lot different. There was, like,
because I came, like, coming from Houston to here, when I was
in high school, I would sneak into clubs with a fake ID to see
Herman Matthews play. I
was gonna ask you about Herman. Yeah, and so for those that
don't know, Herman did his stint with tower power. He was. He
was, he was a Houston drummer. I think he lived in Austin for a
while, and he's been an Angeleno for a very long time. Yeah,
but he's, uh, he's incredible. And so I used to sneak into
clubs, and he was so nice, and I could groom him and stuff, and
yeah, answer questions and stuff like that, yeah, um,
but, uh, what's I saying? We're talking
about the quality musicians in Texas, okay,
okay, yeah. There were the quality, the musicians, the
musicians, oh yeah, when we first moved in town, sorry, when
we first, yeah, when we when I first moved to town, there's a
couple guys you could go see that were really, that were
good, that were really, really good. I remember Ricky guy named
Ricky Sawyer that used to play down at the bullpen lounge.
Remember that the stockyard? Yes. Go watch him play. I go
watch Mike Kennedy play. Mike Kennedy guy, rest his soul.
Yeah, and there wasn't that many places after that that there was
a few guys, the guys that, the guy that played at skulls,
Johnny,
Johnny Hyland, not to our player
he played with, I can't believe you get his name. This happened
with, played with paycheck. Yeah, he had a really, his right
hand was absolutely incredible. Used to do a lot of jazz stuff,
yeah, I think back today. But he played at skulls. He was like a
regular skulls,
Rainbow Room is also, for those that don't know, if you haven't
visited Nashville yet, we have this thing called printers
alley. Barbara's was in there. Skulls Rainbow Room was in
there. And I think it's been revamped, and it still exists.
It's supposed
to be an amazing restaurant, but now it's been there. Supposed to
be, yeah, supposed to be really nice. And
also there is the bourbon Boogie blues, urban street, yeah,
Bourbon Street, right? Is that still there? That's still there,
still there. Multi Level, funky place with live music. 365 man.
I remember when they just first opened up, yeah, down there. And
we go, like, on our breaks and go see them play, and their band
come down and, yeah, see us play too. Remember Eddie Dunbar? Oh,
yeah. I thought that whole, that whole incredible era, yeah, this
was the 90s guys. I mean, you moved her here during the gone
country boom. And then in 97 when Jim and I moved here, it
had started to die a little bit. It's it felt, it felt a little
bleak. Everyone was grabbing at straws, yeah. And then in the
early aughts we got the faith hills and the Martina McBrides
and Faith Hill was the 90s. Just, uh, well, yeah, you're
right, you're right. Um, but just the drums, the Shania,
just, it all started getting turned up, you know, started
getting bigger drums. Bigger drums. Lonnie Wilson, Brian,
yeah,
but I'll say, as a drummer, watching it from afar, because
right around the time you guys came to prominence with Dirks,
was oh five, yeah, right, yeah. So you've been already, you
know, free
and easy, right? Is that the first song goes a lot of
leaving.
Left. What was, I think it was the first hit? What was it?
Lincoln,
yeah, lot of leaving. Was
the first release, though, that was no,
no. I was like, maybe third, third single, something like,
because we,
we, we both did the George straight tour, opening for
George
Amber Dotson. We played four songs. I remember
you and me talking about Kennedy's kid, yep, and we had
to play Kennedy's kid. Like, it's just different. Just got to
sit down and make it happen. You can't. I mean, it's not going to
be set up the way you normally say. You don't. You can't move.
Nothing that's got to be, is he a high cedar because that's,
I don't remember.
We just, I think he allowed us to raise or lower snare drum. I
don't even remember. I don't think I just sat down and
played, yeah, it wasn't that hard, actually for me back then,
just because sitting on, sitting when you're when you're
clubbing, when you're gigging, when you're just freestyling,
you're sitting behind all kinds of stuff all the time, so you
just kind of got to make it, make it work, yeah? But I
remember both of us talking, going, Wow, I don't even
remember what it was that was crazy, either. It was nothing
that was crazy.
It was all it was all arenas, and we got to do four songs, and
you guys got to do, I think 45 Amber Dotson. She was supposed
to be the next big traditional country gal,
Sony tree actually, that's right, she was a Sony tree
writer, as a matter of fact. But
who was the Leanne Womack kind of persisted and kind of beat
her out of the position. Yeah, yeah.
Amber Dodson, I have not thought of that name or heard that name
in years. Boy. She was
really good. She really was really, really good. You guys
really. She had the big hair, the big Texas country hair. He
also was in that band. It was, uh, it was Jason's band, yeah, I
was, yeah, it was, you guys with Gary Morse. She was basically,
oh, sorry, me, Kurt Tully, Dave ristrom from the steel player,
from Luke Bryan, okay, forever and ever. Now Travis toy is
doing it, yeah, but yeah, that was the bad, my God, I can't
even thought about that crazy. That is awesome that I just
grabbed that. Wow. He was
right around the time in oh five we were in Vegas, because I was
in radio, and we started toying around with an ocean, like we
started looking in Easter to easterly to start moving back to
where we were. From but we didn't want to go back to
Connecticut, so Nashville came up as an option. Yeah, and
Courtney and I, at the time, we took a vacation to go to Tampa,
and because Nashville was on the table, we started listening to a
lot of country music. Yeah, and at CMT at the time that was in
heavy rotation. Was that song? Maybe that's why I'm confusing.
A lot of leaving left to do was that you playing on that video?
Play on in the video? Yeah, we shot, I remember we did, shot
the video at antones in Austin, right? That
like it was a motel.
Well, one of the scenes maybe, so, yeah, yeah. I don't remember
you look like, remember we did antones? I remember that was
kind of
neat. It looked like Sebastian Stan playing the drums, sure.
Yeah, Bucha. I've had, I've had a few looks,
but I remember thinking as a drummer, going, these guys are a
lot more rock than anything, yeah, you know. And that's what
it really appealed to me. And then, of course, we saw hicktown
Come out, yeah? And I said to myself, Oh my gosh, I can play
this so much better. Totally, totally,
whatever. I mean, I have
witnessed it. I'd say that in tongue in cheek, but, yeah,
just, but it was, it was really like, and Dirks was a huge,
like, driver of our love for getting into country, good. We
so enjoyed that song, good. And he seemed like such a cool like,
he seemed just like a nice guy, yeah? And he's, literally,
he's the same as what you would imagine, what you see in
interviews and stuff like days, yeah,
he is just a nice dude, approachable, you know, it's
like, for a bunch of side guys, he didn't have to remember our
names. You know, he's the kind of, like, Rich. What's up,
buddy? Doing? Hey, I like the shirt, but I like your shirts.
He was
kind of like an early version of you where he did that, and he
knew that the politics of it would benefit him, like he would
remember his people's names and stuff like that. Apparently, he
was working at the Opry. He was a grinder.
He worked at tnn. Did he actually at the same time I was
working at Sony tree, the Nashville network folks? Yeah,
and he was doing similar kind of things, like archiving and that,
I'm not even Yeah, he did some archiving type stuff, I'm not
sure. And he would always sneak in over the opry to a point to
where they were, like, they contacted his boss over at tnn
said, Look, we love Dirks, but he's been sneaking onto the he's
been around too much, right?
Interesting. Get this guy here? Yeah. It had to be is, yeah,
remember, yes, yeah. I mean, that makes sense. It's almost
like, you know, a lot of that, that Dirks beat on a lot of his
songs, is that Waylon four on the floor thing, yeah, cutting,
cutting. But it's, like, just served up with like, a lot of
muscle. So he's like, the new he took over that groove.
He did. He really did. Yeah, I mean, that was Steve Brewster
that did the heavy lifting and all those records. And Brett
beavers was a producer at station West. I think station
West, yeah. Luke wooden, I think he might have CO produced that
too, engineered it and, and that's all that, and that's
still there, yeah. JT, corn floss, yeah, um,
he was a guitar player on all that stuff. Jim, fantastic
session player, yeah. And I, I was lucky enough to do a couple
things, not on Dirks and stuff outside of that, and just yeah,
just amazing. And, um, but they that team, that team, just,
yeah, there's they. They had the dirk sound at that time dialed
in. Yes, really, well, really fun, really good. And now
you're at it just, just this beautiful part of your career.
We're talking about, hey, we do 50 shows a year. You guys
probably do around 50 shows a year, and it's in a compressed
period of time. It's not spread over 12 months. So you can do
other activities, and you could plan your spring breaks and have
a little bit of a life and not just be No, can't make the
graduation, no, can't make the wedding, no, can't make the
funeral, because we're just we did man years
you probably have. We did, like 220 days might have been the 300
days on the road was the record, was the record, I think, yeah,
and I think we did, or we did the longest stretch. We did 41
shows in 45 days. I mean the longest, the longest shops run.
But I mean you guys too. I mean, it's like everybody, kind of,
that's what I don't know about nowadays. But, like, back then,
that's what you did.
I don't even know you have to do it. Now, it seems like people
like, I'm not going to mention names, but everybody knows who
they are. They just went from their first single to maybe by
the fourth single. They're playing sold out stadiums. Oh
yeah, because of Tiktok, because of social media. Social media,
you could, you could affect a larger group of people in a
shorter period of time. Whereas back in the day,
technologically, we had flip flops, we had the CMT message
board, and we went out and we played every rock club, we
played every county fair, we played every state fair, we did
the half basketball arenas. We just played and played and
played and you did two shows on Sunday. Yeah,
you know, it's been awesome. But Jason did the same thing. Is
that Dirks would spend at least, you know, even if we were doing
a festival, maybe only played 45 minutes or half an hour, he
would spend an hour and a half signing autographs. Wow, like at
that, you know, you go to the table. He saw you. Saw the value
in it. Yeah, absolutely, he knew he knew what. We
actually went to the opry the first time to see him. Oh,
really, our first time at the opry was reason why we went was
because of him, yes, and it was. Trace. Adkins was playing there
too at that night. And a couple of it might have been Little Big
Town and stuff like that, but we wanted to go see Dirks. Yeah,
nice. How'd
we do? Fantastic. It was a lot of fun. It's funny because I
think back to my days in radio. There was a radio show called
Opie and Anthony, and they had this bit, and they were kind of
racy. They were blue, where they would listen to top 10 or 20
country music listings at the time and try to guess what the
song was about based on the title. It was a very funny bit,
yeah, but they taught Dirks was on the charts at that time with
one of his songs. And they're like, Who is this guy? It sounds
like he could be a character that Arnold Schwarzenegger
plays. I am Dex Bentley.
Like, holy crap. That really could be character. I don't
know. I thought that
was Dirk, Dirks digler, dux Bentley, Dirks Bentley and Dirk
people need,
yeah, wow.
You know it's a testament, it's a testament to your, you know,
your the quality of your drumming, and who you are as a
person that you've had this job for since day one. Yeah, you
know what I mean, it's like. And
I think he's probably a very loyal guy. I
would say it's a reflection on him. Yeah,
not to take away your great I knew what I saw you in that
video. Like this guy, he's a freaking monster,
all your kind, he's but Dirks is, he's just, he's just so much
fun. He just, it's just, you know, and there's and there's,
there's been rough times too, but, I mean,
we've just kind of made it, made it through and all that, but,
but everybody in the band, this band, particularly, I mean,
Charlie's the newest member, I guess, really, and then Ben, but
for the past 10 years, and it's just so much fun. There's really
no other way to put it. It just
it needs to be fun, right? I mean, that's a big perk of our
industry. So tell us about the alter ego hot country night.
I've never heard of.
No idea what you're talking about. Hot Country nights.
What's to say about the what can't you say it? What can you
say? Well, that 90 sounds so great. Yeah. Well, we used to
yearn. Maybe is, I don't know if that's a weird word. Yes, it's a
weird word. So I'll use it yearn to play something other than,
like our normal show, including Dirks, or like, you know, we'd
say, man, we should go, go back to Robertson, but we can't do
any of those kinds of things without the bar owner knowing
it, yeah, and wanting, they're gonna make a they're gonna want
to sell beer, and they're gonna advertise for it. They want to
splash it. So we decided that we were kind of trying to figure it
out. And I think Cassidy and Dan kind of came with the idea of
trying to, trying to play like a VFW hall, maybe the one up on
Gallatin, yeah. And Dirks was like, I want to play too. I'll
play acoustic. I'll just put a cowboy hat on and be in the
back. And we're like, Cool. We'll play, like, I don't know.
We'll figure it out stuff. And Cassie, I think, was like, let's
do just keep it thematic and do some 90s country kind of stuff.
I'm like, Yeah, that's cool. That's cool. We all it's, you
know, wouldn't have to reverse that much, you know. We'll know
all that stuff. And somehow it evolved into it, because we're
always doing bits Anyways, on the bus, on stage, anytime. It's
always bits, you know, so and it's always about the bit. And
then it kind of evolved into this, into the into what it is,
into costumes, and then we started making a story around
it. And these guys are from moose knuckle, Tennessee, and
they really wanted to back in the 90s. They were gonna, they
were gonna be the thing. They were so close back. They were so
close. And now they're making a comeback again. And all that
John Osborne from was, was playing acoustic guitar also in
the band, and it just kind of evolved in there. And one thing
led to, oh, we played, we did play the VFW hall there in
Gallatin. Yeah, several times. In fact, Dirks would even bring
in, like, bought a bunch of liquor, because they didn't
have, they had some. They had kind of a bar there, yeah, and
they weren't doing that well. And so he brought in a bunch of
his, his own liquor that he had bought, and just said, Sell it.
You know, nice. The place was packed. It was absolutely
packed. What was this man? 2000 Oh, 16, maybe. Oh,
wow, I'm not even sure. Now, is Mary Hilliard still your
manager? Oh, yeah, okay,
guys, she has, yeah, she's stuck. She's stuck around.
Mary's great love. Mary totally. She's like,
the Knights are gonna, they're not gonna, it's not gonna work.
Oh, well, kind of has, but no, but the VFW hall was, was such a
fun gig. And the neat thing about it too, is like, when you
walk in there, it's like, it's smell like barbers, you know? It
has the cigarette, yeah? Kind of but, boy, it was so cool,
though. It was so much fun. I was loading in my own drums and
setting, you know, yeah, and the whole thing and all that. But
then one thing led to another, and then Dirks was able to talk
to the gang at Capitol, and they got some money for us, and we
went and recorded a record. And the songs were, were, some of
them were pitch songs, some were the some were co written. Yeah.
Yeah, brilliant, brilliantly done. Terry Clark was on it. I
have to go revisit this. I'm ashamed of myself. Yes, it was
so, so so good. And like I said, we had it teed up, and we did
Jimmy Kimmel. And Saturday Night Live, we were on the radar. And
they were like, someday they go, when you guys kind of get a
foot, you know, we definitely would be interested in looking
at this. And we were going to do Fallon and probably Colbert
also, and the pandemic hit. Oh, and man, it just
so it's like a country version of spinal tap. It's
totally cut. Yeah,
dude. Moose book, knuckle, Tennessee. No. Do you have a
character? Who's your character? Monte Montgomery? Yes, Monty
Montgomery. And you'll have to go to
go to go to Hot Country nights.com that's hot country
nights.com, and you can, and you can see a lot of the videos and
the bits that we've done over the years and stuff like that.
Do you wear like, like a, like, a mullet?
He's not really a mullet guy, but he's kind of matches his own
thing. Okay? Enigma, Douglas
Doug, Douglas son, you,
holy moly, terror, terror, yes,
he's from Russia.
Terry's from Russia. How do you how do you say that last
name? It's just Terry. Terry. It's just Terry. It's like
he can pronounce it. You pronounce it.
See, you guys have created your characters as a backstory, and
then, and then all the in between, Song banter is off the
cuff.
Yeah, it ended up being like, like, we we started to open our
shows, like, in like, as you guys, yeah, as nights, like,
opening up whoever was the opening act, and I'd sit in on
their kit. Yeah, what we do is the amphitheaters and stuff in
the summertime, and are the bits just, would we just, would kind
of just winging it, and then we kind of Diego, that was good.
Let's do this and all that's kind of still the way we do. So
now what we do on the on the tour, I don't know what we're
going to do this year, but what we have done is Dirks ends his
show, and then the we have a pre roll that comes on, so in pre
roll video and all that. And it's Lauderdale, John
Lauderdale, or Jim Lauderdale. Jim Lauderdale, I'm sorry, it's
a take off on the 90s, Back to the Future bit. So we take off,
and we're going back to the 90s, and it's a whole thing, and they
got graphics and everything. And then we come out amazing and and
we do H, O, T, C, O, U, N, T, R, Y, K, N, I, G, H, T, yes. And so
we come out, we do that, and we do, we do a medley of songs and
stuff, and there's bits and everything. I've never seen you
guys. And then they, you got to come out. I'll get you to, maybe
get you. And then we so. And then we, everybody kind of hops
on stage and meet Monty is unfortunately left there by
himself. So he stops and ends the song we were playing fast as
you and then the lights come on, and then Monty kind of goes and
gets kind of full of himself, because it's because the crowd's
screaming and it's just him. So he goes out and gets the
audience going, and yeah, and all this and that, and gets them
all riled up. And then our stage Mayor comes out and picks Monty
up and takes them off stage, and that's and that's how the show.
And then Dirksen, like the band, comes out, we'll as as us and
come out to it's really smart, and who knows, and it'll
probably be a little bit different this year. So you get
to double
dip your butt off there. Man, yeah, double dip might
as well. It's, it's, it's kind of funny. Pick her up. It's
like, I'm looking for the spinal tab. That
was the single, the first single that came out. It actually, it
started debuted at like 30,
yeah. It came out in 41 with rock.
Travis true was on it. Travis, he was amazing. He's absolutely
incredible. Moose shuttle, yeah, we have, there's a dance that
goes along with that. Seriously, there's a dance. Watch the
video.
The USA begins with us. That's
a phenomenally, unbelievably great song, really, yeah, so
are they semi serious? Scared?
No, they scared that one scared Fallon, right? Because they were
kind of like that was it was just when it had me 2016 Yes,
I'm around there. Was that that long ago? No, no, 20. How
racy and blue do you guys get in these? Like, are you kind of,
like, Steel Panther level? Yeah, that's
kind of the idea. Actually, not. I think about that's where we've
seen Steel Panther a couple times. And our bass player,
Cassidy, is, like, he was a huge Steel Panther fan, right? And,
and he knows some of the guys in the band, and so we went and saw
them, actually, at, uh,
in Hollywood one night. I used
to see him, house blues at Hollywood. Always at the House
of Blues, right? Yeah, you know what that is? Now, it's like a
giant glass condo, is it
really? Yeah, that was such a cool place. So a lot of bands
play there. Some bands play there, but that was kind of,
that was, that was part of the inspiration, uh, thanks for
bringing that. Because I actually forgot. I was like,
yeah, it was, it was still Steel Panther. Was kind of like that
we wanted to sort of be. We're not as adventurous, or it's not
as quite as edgy as them. But, well, they
they get. They have the cover fire of it being an 80s
throwback Hair Metal band, yeah, you know. So we're the 90
we kind of covered that. The latest one we did, actually was
a few years ago with Lainey Wilson, called uh. We did a song
called harassment. And the bit is harassment everything to me.
And Doug, awesome. The song was great. And yeah, again, as radio
is like funny Dirks, but we can't play this. Oh yeah.
Well, radio makes the best decisions these days. Yeah,
right
now. Jim was in radio for a long time, yeah, yeah, yeah. There
you go. Now, he's in new media. It's
one of those things that, like, the music business really has to
figure out what's next, because radio is, man, it's dying. Well,
music
is gonna be the same thing it's gonna be we got you to you're
gonna come see our show and you're gonna buy a hoodie. Yeah,
right. I don't know what else we could do.
Yeah. Well, you know, what was interesting to me, not seeing
that. And Dirks is is a master at those interviews and radio
people and bringing them back to the shows, bringing them
backstage, making them feel very welcome back there and all that.
And so he has a lot of experience. But what struck me
was like some of the radio radio stuff that we did with the hot
country nights and how automated everything is, yeah, oh, yeah,
yeah. And I just that struck me as just like, it's all pre
recorded they're gonna do. It's just, there's really, it's not,
there's Live, which I, I don't know why. I didn't expect that
with technology, but I was just like, I just didn't realize it
was that much involved in that.
Well, I mean, sometimes it got to the point right around when I
left. I mean, it was pretty pervasive that you could, we'd
be listening to a radio station and probably hear a guy that was
in St Louis that was trying to pretend he was in Nashville.
Yeah, you know, that was the voice tracking element. And they
started piling hats on us guys and went out on it was basically
from 1997 when the FCC did the federal Telecommunications Act,
which basically took the walls down and allowed radio to be
treated like real estate. Multiple companies can, or one
company can own multiple radio stations in a market. And that's
when the beginning of the end happened. Yeah, you know,
essentially. And you know, people that were in the business
at that point were excited about it, because they were like, hey,
I can you're gonna give me more stations to produce or work for
great, more money. Oh, no, we didn't say that. No, we're
giving you the responsibilities in the hatch you're still
making. That's not what we play more work for the same money,
same amount of money. Yeah, so, and they started, they just
didn't invest in the next generation of 10. Generation of
talent, which led to people like doing podcasts and tick tock
Instagram reels. What we're seeing today is the
entertainment mediums. Hey, radio suffering.
Hey, Jim, do me a favor, man. I got since I got these in ears,
in and it's like, right in my inner cochlea. Um, can you just
bring the volume down for me, just a little bit. Yeah, yeah,
thanks, buddy. So I love all these stories. What's the tour
look like this year? 50 shows or so later in the year, probably
something like that. Yeah. Have you gotten your your PDF yet of
the tour? No,
we do. We were doing at the end of this month, I think we're
going to Dominican Republic to do a private party. Nice, yeah.
And then we're going to the UK, the
C to C to C to C. You're gonna do the oh two, London.
We're doing oh two. Yep, you did the oh three. And go Dublin. I
don't know if we're doing Dublin this time. We did Dublin before,
but I don't think we're doing Dublin this island, Glasgow.
Glasgow be great. I know London. And then, like, two other spots
too. Also, I love that towards towards the end of March. I hope
we do that again. We did it in 2015 we haven't. It's been a
while since we've done it. Yeah, in a while. So
that's fun. You like the international touring? Sure, I
do. I haven't done
it. We haven't. We don't do very much. We either do it's not very
much. Yeah, absolutely. Especially going to London. I've
been to London one time,
like, in years ago, huh? Like Indian food. Love Indians.
That's a great spot for
it's a great spot for it. But we London's amazing. Glasgow is
amazing. It's, yeah, I mean, you're immersed in a culture
that's an in a history that is pre USA rivaled, yeah, just by a
little bit. Yeah, yeah. So I'm looking forward to that really,
really great. Do
we mention I'm sorry I'm playing around in the internet here that
you're playing the Ryman coming up. We hot
country nights are opening up for Sawyer Brown,
okay, amazing. I forgot about that on the
Star Search winners. It's, uh, September, yeah, September.
February 15. February
15, the day after. Yeah, yeah, those guys are amazing too.
Yeah, we've done Joe Smith, we've done some stuff. Yeah,
it's great. Well, their whole they are still the same, and
they are still Mark Miller, still killing it, yeah, and, and
they put on a great show, and we're really looking forward to
it. And we're, yeah, we're really
pretty stoked. Are you gonna die with the sticks in your hands?
You think? You know, you gotta hope so. Are you gonna do this
to the end? Probably, yeah, sticks are a yoke. We're lifers,
or a yokes with sticks, right? Well, yeah, a yoke
that would be bad on so many levels. Yeah. Sorry,
quite a bit. Yeah. I tell everybody, it's cool if I go out
that way, right? One too. Larry, London, we are lifers. Man,
yeah. And then, you know, like everyone you've got your, your
your your tracking space is that your, is that your crib, your
when you know where you record drums for clients and such. I
don't, I don't really, oh no. I have it here on the wiki. It
says you have an Apollo with a knee 1084 that's
gone. I have a
great little set of I had, like three kids set up for practice,
novel, a little claret and like Ableton and just kind of like a
John Glenn's kind of a set of four mics, yeah, and practicing
the record and whatever, like that. But no, I started to kind
of stick my foot trying to do that kind of a thing. But no,
so what was it that turned you off the the amount of time that
goes into the file management and doing everything, or dealing
with clients that are like, Can you do it again? And this time
do 18th notes on the high I had heard already
enough horror stories, yeah. And it was like, man, unless I,
unless I really want to do it. I mean, I just Yeah, yeah. And
nowadays I'd much rather fly. Charlene, yes, that's your
thing, taking
any other, any other hobbies or, like, interest, like, you know,
no,
not really. I mean, wife love going into town and going going
to restaurants, yeah, kind of stuff. So
we lock on table. I'll see you there. We're there. That's
great. Wood fired pizza. Man, yes, it is such sexy
environment. Yep, if you got a family
environment. If you go, like, I mean, because we're older now,
we go on to four in the afternoon. Oh, really,
the movie schedule. Well, you guys right back out to Mount
Juliet. So, yeah, yeah,
I have to live in Nashville. Yeah,
I'm adjusting because I feel like I'm just outside of the
loop. Like, like, like, where's Keo? Where's Keo tonight. You
know what? I mean, like, Keo
is out. I, you know, I'm a bit of, I'm guilty of being a bit of
a homebody. Well, is it always that way? Or probably has been,
actually, yeah, no, I don't know that. I've, every once a while
go out and, well, me and Carrie have been going out lately, and
we saw like, Daryl Hall, nice, Howard Jones, if you, you know,
acts like that, or something's going on the square horn or
something. But yeah, as a matter of fact, we walked down printers
alley, and Barbara's is now a pub. Yeah, it is a pub now it's
like a British pub, I guess. So we're weird. That's on the list,
yeah, to go check out. Well, that'll bring back memories.
Yeah, I know. I know. I don't, yeah. I was like, I want to go,
but I got to be really prepared, because the flood of memories
and stories and that kind of thing, it's gonna, I think it's
gonna be for both of us. I mean, you do? You remember Karen down
there, but she's a singer. Mike came to town to be out, to be a
singer, and used to hang out with us down at barbers. Oh my
god,
and let's get married pretty much now, does she? Does she
still sing a little
bit? No, no, no. It's, it's all flowers. Flowers. Yep, nice.
Well, that is so lucrative. It's all flowers. We don't have kids,
and we, when we just hang out with Toby and Baxter. Those are
your dogs. Yeah, one is a Baxter is a German Shepherd lab mix,
and Toby is American Eskimo mix. We did not gin. Gene test,
genome, Genome test, yeah, and Toby yeah is American Eskimo and
Chow and a few other things like that. Wow. Yeah, nice.
The only problem with the dogs, you gotta walk them all the
time. Ours, we just let out the back. Yeah?
We have, we have, it's called a backyard, yeah? And we put
what's your favorite, most mundane chore to do at home,
favorite
mundane to a problem of the yard. Yeah, it's therapeutic.
Yeah, it is. But push, yeah, like, a zero turn. Don't even
need a zero.
I've got a zero. I've got like, eighth of an acre, yeah, zero
turn, and I have to fight my wife in order to mow, because
she loves mowing too. I was like, it's cathartic, yeah? Now
my mowing is vacuum. I'll vacuum. It goes all the way back
to, like, I would help my mom out. She'd be like, Richie,
before we go to the marching band thing on Friday night, I
need for you to buy like, Yes, mom. But
you know, you never mowed
a lawn. Oh, when I was living with Curt and Tully all the time
in Donaldson and Hermitage, I was the official mower because,
you know, we rented these band houses, right? And you know,
they would never do it, man, I had to do it. You know. What do
you do now? Can you imagine it? Well, I tell you, Oh no. Now,
Caesar Estrada, does it?
Oh, yeah, it makes it a lot better, because I have a beer
holder, yeah, nice beer holder. Buds, ear buds, listening.
It's therapeutic. It is it really is.
No, I might my guy. Hello, Caesar Estrada. He's a nice guy.
Actually, he's a singer. He he cuts my lawn. And I said, Hey,
his daughter wanted to take drum lessons, right? And so I said,
Well, why don't we barter it up? You know, I'll teach her
teacher, teach her how to do all the money beats and get a good
sound on the drums. And, you know, we'll trade it for the
lawn care. I. She he's paying $30 an hour for a drum lesson.
I'm like, where, who is teaching a drum lesson for $30 that's
what I paid back in the day. That was $30 for a half hour.
And
I said, Well, hey, man, stay stay on the course
$30 an hour.
It's crazy. It is crazy. I know. I hope she learns. Back in
the early 90s, when I took drum lessons from Gary fiander at
East Coast music mall, yeah, yeah, he was $30 for a half
dollar minute,
yeah. See, things are not going up in somebody's under charging.
Somebody started trying. That's all right. Hopefully she loves
it and she becomes a wonderful drummer. What did you study in
college? Man, did you get a music degree? Yeah,
percussion performance, ntsu. I
went to Texas Tech, and then I went to UNT North Texas day,
yeah, so me and Jim, Jim Riley were there around the same time.
Yeah, okay, who else was I there with? Keith Garlock. Oh, my god,
yeah, that guy. And got some other really amazing. Everybody
went on to do great, great stuff, man, you know, yeah,
uh, Stephen falls to State University. They have an
amazing, quite amazing, uh, commercial music program now,
yes, like top 30, but back then, forget it. No, it was, it was,
yeah, it was jazz, classical, yeah, that's it. And then you
figure out how to play the back beats on your own head. Yes, it
was, it was all, who was the teacher there at that time? The
head guy? Dr, Lawrence captain, was our, well, we had a couple
guys, Barry Larkin, and then, and then, Dr captain, who is, I
believe, is at University of Denver. I think, yeah, I know
he's in Denver. I think it's University of Denver. Have you
kept in touch with these guys? And they occasionally through
Facebook, everyone small, but not, not because I gotta be
proud. They're like the
guy. Yeah, guy did it. Yeah, yeah. Now, you ever envision
yourself going back and doing a little Q and A speech? Yeah?
There
was some talk about going back to Stephen F and doing some so
we were going to get some guys that you know kind of are in the
business. Me, Devin Williams, songwriter, so we were kind of
all running buddies together back then, but getting me and
him and all that to do kind of that kind of a thing, kind of a
Q, a or you should do it. That would be, it would be so lucky.
That'd be fun to have you fun. Now,
what do you do to stay so, um, height, weight, proportionate,
tall and lean.
Attic. You have a thing like I do,
I go to the gym. I depends. I was doing yoga for especially
during the pandemic, me, my wife, were doing yoga just like
through peloton, yeah, on TV. But we actually used to go, we
would go to the, go do yoga at a local yoga place. So I got into
yoga for a few years. I did
hot yoga for a while, the last 30 minutes was tough. It's
tough, yeah, it's the 60 is good. 90 is rough.
6060, is a max. I could, couldn't do beyond that, but I
loved it is very good for us, for me, for limp, being limber
and staying staying loose, yeah? But either that or just just the
gym, yeah, Planet Fitness is right down the street, so
you just do a circuit. Do you do? You're like, you know,
today's back and buys tomorrow's legs, just, just full body,
chest and try. Rose
again. Would you bench? Yeah, yeah.
Ducks Bentley, over here, come on. Yeah,
I get into fights all the time. I'm kidding. No,
you know, you sound like you're you've definitely got a ham
factor, you know? Oh, yeah. Is that something else that you've
kind of explored with, you know, using your voice, because you
kind of have it, you're affecting your voice
occasionally. I'm picking up on that a
little bit with the hot country nights. Yeah, if you'll kind of
go through our back catalog of stuff, we have some of the bits
and all that have included that kind of kind of thing, character
voices, yeah, I hear it a little bit, yep, just being, just being
stupid, I guess, fun. Yeah, well,
you've always kind of taken care of yourself. Because I remember
going back to that Amber Dodson tour opening up for George
Street. We would do our four songs. And you know, if bunch of
dudes in our second hand leather jackets, we wanted to get into
trouble, you know, we wanted to just at least get out into the
nightlife and have a cocktail and, yeah, you know, night at
the Roxbury and you guys would be in your damn jammies eating
cereal. Well,
that was me and Robbie herring totally. I was like, You were
kind of like, Robbie and Steve are eating cereal. You know
what's funny is Mike Kennedy would, when we're out with
George Strait on that tour, too, he would, I'd be like, going to
bed. Yeah, no. And he like, nope. He come on the bus and
drag me. Like, get your clothes on. We're going out. Nice.
Always do that. Nice. He was such a sweetheart. Mike
Kennedy, for those that don't know he was, he had played live
with George Street for at least 20 years, at least, yeah. Now I
don't know exactly what happened, but I believe he was
merging into traffic, and there was a gigantic semi, and it was
just he didn't see it or
something. I don't know. That's a tragic, yeah, that's tragic,
yeah,
yeah. God rests up on I 40. I don't know how long ago was
that? A good 10 years, at least six to 10 years. Yeah, something
like that. Yeah. Oh. Man may have rough Yeah, yeah, as a
Yeah, as a big loss for the drumming community, yeah,
because he helps so many people too. He did. He would be like,
hey, Gabe, get up here and play. He will, yeah, you know, Hall of
Fame. He used to play. Now the Hall of Fame,
yeah? What was the 16th? Remember the 16th avenue that?
Yeah, now it was a shoe store, and now it's a bar or parking or
something.
It's a tower. Now it's gone. Oh yeah, that whole right by the
the naked people circle, yeah, right to the naked tambourine
people, yeah, it's that. That building there used to be that.
That's right, so many different oh my god, all right. Oh my god.
Do you like the
Nashville hot chicken? It's on everybody's menu all over the
world.
I don't really, I haven't, I don't say I don't like it, yeah,
it's too hot for me. Because I got a sense of the stomach, I
can't imagine having the hot, hot, hot chicken. It's like the
chicken. It's purple, yeah, it's so seasoned. Yeah, I can't do
that. We used to do princes. Remember princess? Oh yeah, the
real inspiration late at night, yeah? And
we do that, like waffle house became late night run, yeah,
Princess used to be, I forget which one it was. There was
only, like those over on the east side, right, yeah, yeah.
But that was, yeah, late night, three in the morning after post
barbers kind of Yeah, kind of a vibe, yeah,
so Jim, yeah. Should we do the Fauci? What do you think? Go
ahead, hey, we're gonna go right into it. Sometimes. You used to
call it the Fast Five, but it's never fast. Favorite color,
green. So fast. Green, green sparkle. Do you ever, ever have
a green, green sparkle drum set?
I may have like I had no, yeah, no, I was with another company.
I might have had, like, bits and pieces that weren't you with
Ludwig for I was with Ludwig for a while, yeah. And I remember I
had a kit that had multi different colors. And green
might have been, I might have had a green
sparkle, yeah, they have that kit that that it shows all the
colors, yeah. You know, it's like, it was like, Yeah.
Speaking of Ludwig, behind Steve, what do we have? Oh,
there's a
from LP that is a Alex Van Halen commemorative cow bell that I
begged for from our friends at Latin percussion, and I'm taking
it out on the road. Yeah,
and this is, we're giving it away to a lucky listener. Is
that what you
said, No, I'm just just showcasing it. I'm gonna, I'm
gonna take it. I'm gonna take it on tour this year, because I
play it on maybe like four bars in hick town. And it's not, it's
unmiked, but you will hear it. It's allowed. They will
probably, I won't even get LP to put a hot country nights logo on
this. You really should get a commemorative hot country nights
cow, if they're out there LP. LP needs one. If you're a DW guy,
you're you're grandfathered in practically as an LP guy. He's
got to call our friend Jerry Zacharias and Garris will
garrison. I need to know some of those. I don't know anything.
That's right. That's right. I was all playing. I had my my
trip book to go out and do my yearly visit, and then all the
fires happened in Los Angeles, and I was like, Yeah, let's,
let's postpone. I'm gonna
interrupt the favorite five. Yes, Ma'am, did you guys read
the Alex Van Halen book?
Brothers, brothers,
I've heard of it. It's really good. Yeah, I highly recommend I
will,
yeah, I don't want to pay for Audible, so I'm gonna have to
just read it.
But you know, the thing is, you're hearing Alex read it, and
he has these little moments where HE CHUCKLES to himself,
which is so endearing nice. You know, he's remembering these
stories as he's written them. But you know, you could tell
he's also he has that intrinsic recall. That, you know, you hear
these little emotional outbursts that he has, which I think is
kind of cool. That's
very nice, because usually producers of audiobooks will
just produce that stuff right out of you. Yeah, you know what
I mean. It's nice that they kind of just let it be warts and all,
yep, yep. That's interesting, because, like, I was thinking a
hard copy book,
right? But I have it on the shelf behind you. Yeah, it'd be
better to do the audible one, though. Yeah, I like to, I like
listening to books myself, so
I don't think I've ever done that really.
You know, experiment with it. See if you like it. Are you
podcast guy by chance? Sometimes,
yeah, you sound like you need a podcast. Like you would, you
would be a good host of a podcast. I'd
love to Actually, me and Dan hokulter have talked about
having something like this. We just start talking. That'd be so
easy. It's, it's Yeah, yeah. And marginally funny, we can record
it on
the road and then batch them and then just trickle them out once
a week.
Well, that would take, that would require us, first of all,
get out of our bunks.
Stay in the bunks.
Yeah? Well, yeah, we don't even put
a camera onto both of you. Like, Hey, how's your bunk? Yeah, it's
down here. My bunks up here. That's
funny. Now you got a favorite, uh, food or dish? Mm. Hmm,
man, my wife made a pasta dish the other night that was
absolutely incredible, like a cream based thing, like, no
rose,
uh, red, red, red sauce, chicken, stuff like that.
Nice, yeah, um, I don't not A, not a specific one that I
absolutely but in Texas, they did. I mean, unless we're at
Lachlan table, yeah, the chime, cherry steak, no, the, oh my
gosh, I can't believe I'm forgetting it. The chicken liver
pate. Chicken liver
Wow. No, that's why we go
there. It comes in little mason jar, yeah, chicken liver pate,
and then the top of it is bacon grease. Look at that much on top
of that, whoa. And then they give you a plate, and it has
biscuits, not biscuits, chips, not chips, bread,
those kinds of things like toast and stuff like that,
yeah. And then on top of the bacon grease, it's about that
lotion layer of a little bit of a peach marmalade. It is unholy
cow.
It is un delicacy level. Here's the
delicacy. That's our that's our go to and
my effort of trying to find good memories about my mom, she used
to make a liver pate. That reminds me of what you're
talking about. I did. Wow. Jim, interesting. Did you? Did you
partake? Oh,
yeah, when I was a kid, are you a liver guy?
You know my mom was, and she would give us liver for dinner
sometimes because she liked it and tell us it was veal.
So, well, there's a whole movement right now. We're, we're
all being highly encouraged to eat organ meats, and if you are,
can't stomach it, take it in pill form, because these are
it's kind of got out of style, and there are so many nutrients
in organ meats that we need.
Fiber. Fiber, yeah. Fiber, yeah nowadays. Fiber, a
lot of people eat the placenta, whoa, after a birth of a baby.
Oh my god, but who? But people eat it. I never hear, I mean,
that's, yeah, a lot of nutrients, tons
of tons of nutrients in those holy cow, geez, buddy, you look
like a freaking character out of a zombie thriller. But when
you're done, I
don't know if I would do that. We definitely have to, you know,
pop it in some olive oil, yeah, crispy on top of risotto. Yeah,
fry it up. Oh, my God, they so lock the table is kind of
adventurous, like that, where, you know, you can get the bone
marrow, yeah, and that's very good. I've done that.
What about your favorite drink
right now? It's probably a Moscow Mule. Oh, we got that
yesterday too. Yeah? Who's our guest yesterday? Travis McNabb,
yeah. Travis McNabb, yeah. Travis likes his Moscow Mules.
Man, I'm with him, especially if it's you gotta, you gotta have
the real copper thing for the experience. You gotta have that.
Yeah, in the freezer. Yep, Fauci in the freezer, Tito's. Yeah,
Tito's. This guy. Tito is so popular now, this is
interesting. And it could be of all time, or it could be, at the
moment, what would your favorite song
be? It's tough, favorite song. But, but what is there a
problem? What was I thinking?
Because it started the whole thing, the whole thing, no one
has said their own song, their own song. There's, yeah, well,
it's Dirks and Dirk or tan.
But, I mean, you know, from that, yeah, I mean, that's,
that's, that's really hard. My favorite song of all time, well,
my favorite, hang on, let's, let's think you know
you're driving down the PCH, you got the top down. Oh, that kind
of, that kind of, just maybe, well, it takes you to a place
you you like cranking it up. You like the production, you like
the lyrics, you like the sound. Actually
be the opposite that probably Willie Nelson more like,
ain't it funny how life, how time slips away? Wow,
yeah. Or one of those hacker tunes, like misery and Jen, oh,
yeah, oh, that's that would be something that we could do
September, yeah, something like that. I had the box set when I
moved to town. I got, yeah, I got merle's box set at Tower
Records, and I and I dove in. Man, we had
his bass player, Joe Reed,
Joe. Joe played with the fire for like, six years, yeah. So my
story about Joe is that we went in 1997 we went to, like, I
don't know, six or seven countries together, playing for
the US military, yeah. So, like, we were in like, Bahrain, we
were in South Korea. We were in Japan. We were in Macedonia,
Iceland, yeah, yeah. We
actually had a breakfast about a month ago. I need some like, I
need to see him. He literally heard about his, his, you know,
he's adopted. He was adopted, so he wanted to do and find out who
his father was. Yeah. Found out his dad is one of the Marlboro
men. Oh, really, what from back in the day the Marlboro Man,
like on the cover and all that was the big his dad, his father
was the last one, yeah, that actually ended up quitting
smoking, because he ended up getting lung cancer and became a
big Roman anti, uh, cigarettes and all that kind of thing. But
his story, yeah, I he should have Joe on here, just to tell
that story. Really need to catch up with your drums. Is the only
thing he's doing great. Yeah? No, I know we have bass players
on here. Plays Leroy Parnell and, um, he was doing some stuff
with Kevin mo also Joe.
He looks really healthy. It looks like he's doing great.
Working out. He works out. He's
a big gym rat too, yeah? But like, I'm, no, I'm not. He's, he
is, yeah,
that's, you know, it's the the whole thing is, like, even if
you go just for 20 minutes, but you do it every day, yeah, with
it and all that, be consistent, totally. What about a movie? You
got a movie that it comes on, you're like, sorry, Honey, I'm
committed. I'm gonna watch this all the way through, Princess
Bride. Wow, that's a fun one
that could be my favorite. One might have been, I don't think
you know what that means, yeah,
you kept my name is Antonio. I forget his name.
My name is Montoya. You killed my father. My father die.
There's
the cat. Yeah,
yeah. There's so many of them, like, conceivable,
my daily, you know, my, that's kind of darling. But I just, I
think it's a piece of, I think it's a piece of art.
It is first one. And then for me, probably my favorite movie
is gonna have to be rocky, though, the original rock
Done, done that
just, you know, he directed. It was
the first, uh, a statue for it too. I think he won an Oscar.
He did. Did he win the Oscar for Rocky? I
think so. Because yeah, good for you. Sly. Remember that? Yeah,
and he
held his guns because all sorts of studio people were like, We
want to buy the script. Someone else can play. Yes, no, I'm
playing. Yeah.
So the backstory behind it's good? Yep, you know
you understood the character. Yeah, yes.
Totally agree. The assignment, okay, Jim, ask your thing, your
question.
So if you had to, at any given time, someone threatens you with
your life that you have to play in a band, a tribute band of
some sort, for the rest of your life, that's all you can do
playing the songs over and over again. What's the band? Kiwi
Lewis,
really? I was just thinking when you were saying that, that's
such a cool gig, I would not even need a rehearsal.
There's a lot of flavor in that music. It's amazing. It's
so amazing. And you remember they had one of the fun is
totally off the they had a record that came out back in the
90s too, called Plan B. You remember that one? Yeah. Do you
guys do anything off of that? I
don't want me such a good record. I gotta look. I mean, in
the actual tribute band, it's a lot of the hits, yeah? For sure,
you're gonna
have to do the hits. Plan B was kind of their, all their off.
They was, I was such a fan of that, yeah? But,
I mean, it's not an easy band,
no, yeah,
horns too and all that. Right? They
have a little bit of tracks, but occasionally, I think they play
in Nashville, though. They played at the Franklin theater
and they hired a horn section, yeah? Nice. So, yeah, I've never
played with them yet, but that's
gonna be amazing. Yeah, that's gonna be amazing. Yeah, I would,
I won't think I would ever, I mean, if I had the chance to do
something like that, and the situation were right, I was, I
don't think I would ever get tired of doing that. Right?
I have so many different things I've always wanted to do, like,
uh, the theme bands. You know, you could do heavy, uh, hard
rock type of approach, but, but like the Bon Jovi stuff journey,
but do it really well, yeah? Because, I mean, I just that's,
that's my center. That's what I would shut
it on, note for note, yep, for the most part. For the most
part, yeah,
bass drum. Bass drum patterns are messy, but yeah, other stuff
pretty much dialed in. Yeah. So
yeah, that's cool. Those are but bands are really, really fun.
That's fun too. That I've seen too, is that with with helping,
occasionally, I'll help Carrie Anne tear down at the end of the
night, and sometimes the bands are still playing, and the
wedding bands around, because I did a little bit of that back in
the day. Me too. With Joe
Turner. We love the harmonica on our show. Yeah, used to
play and do wedding band stuff with him and and he was great.
And a lot of the wedding bands nowadays are doing newer, like
current music and stuff, and they're tight, yeah, dialed. I
mean, you're just like, my god, dialed, really, dialed in good.
That's kind of here, really. Well, I didn't know the quality
of wedding bands was that good. The ones, yeah, the ones that
we've Yeah, that are out, yeah. That's
kind of expected. Now, getting back to what you mentioned
earlier, when I asked you, I said, you know, the people that
when you came to town Weren't you? All, but not, you know,
they're the people now are better. You seem to play better.
Yeah, do you think that's because of social media, though?
I mean, because they're seeing more of an attraction to pursue
a musical career in Nashville versus New York or LA? I would
say, I think
just, just in general, obviously the Internet has, you know,
opened up that world to access to a lot more people than it
used to, right? Yeah, and so certainly social media. Is
there anybody on the internet that you're following that you
you're kind of digging a lot of, a lot of like, you know,
trickster drummers,
a lot of that. But I'm entertained, right? There's some
guys that are doing some crazy, man, there's this kid, there's a
band, and I cannot remember his name or anything, but there's a
kid. He's probably maybe 11 years old or 10 years old. He's
as good as I've heard a drama, and I'm not like not not just
flashy fills. He's got that, but his pocket is absolutely spot
on. And now they put a band with a bunch of kids, like, on, on,
my wife sent it to me the other day. It was like, and they're,
they're all about the same age, and they all play phenomenally.
Wow. You see that every once in every few months, some kid
that's five years old is playing amazing. And this kid I, I'll
have to look it up, but he is absolutely the best I've seen at
that small age. Yes, the evolution
of playing is interesting to see since the internet, because you
didn't have that, that access to all that information when we
came up, you know, we had to slow the tape down, you know, I
didn't, I didn't know what Neil was doing on subdivisions until
I saw the video, you know, the when he did the the open
pattern, hi hat ride thing, yeah. It's like, you, what the
hell are you listening to it? You're going, what the hell is
he doing? Yeah. And then I saw him actually do it in the music
video when he got there. It was a Chronicles double VHS tape,
yeah. Thing with that was, I guess, the companion offering
from the album, the best of that they did. And to watch that
video, was like, oh, okay, I see it. Now. I got really
good at just dropping the needle in the record, really at that
time, because I was just about the only way. And then I got me
my parents bought me for Christmas the techniques tape
deck. I remember that, yeah, so I'd stay up late at night. I was
supposed to go to bed, but I headphones on and all that have
record pause and listen to the radio, and just ready to ready.
So I had my own little mixtapes with very few, if any, intros,
right? Because you always have the intro cut off, and that's
what I would practice
the DJ talking it up to hit the post. Yeah, right,
and you like Phil Collins, right? Alex, guys were girls
twice
loved, yeah, Van Halen. What was
the first drummer? The first guy that was like, That is awesome.
It would probably, I mean, drumming wise, impacting that
way. It would probably be rush. It would probably be Neil. Neil,
just from that standpoint, but I was just a radio kid. Yeah, I
listened to whatever was on the radio. I wasn't real big album,
album, rock album guy, yeah, you know, I had a few things. First
one ever I had first one was news of the World. Queen, News
of the World. So whoever was playing on that, obviously, was
huge. Yeah, I remember Roger Taylor. Remember tush, uh, fleet
with Mac. Oh yeah. Tusk, I'm sorry. You know, you know that
the rumors just turned 49 did it really? Did it really? Everybody
has a rumors record. Yeah, everybody, believe me. You've
heard it.
Fleetwood Mac, burn. I got burned out on Fleetwood Mac
because of the home of rock and roll. I 95 Yeah, right. Worked.
They play a lot of it, yeah, yeah. Constant. Fleetwood Mac,
yeah, I just don't get this band,
don't, you know, don't push it away. It's, it's, you know,
because, you know, Mick is such a interesting, quirky drummer.
Why is it crash fill in a weird place, it's gonna boom. Scott,
great. Jim, that's a good one. If you could sing it, you can
play it. That's what I tell the kids. This was such a pleasure
to have you.
One quick question, yeah, aside from us, who is a real fun hang
in town, drummer wise for you, gosh,
there's a lot of guys
who's a fun in him in town. Dude a little
like clicky little bit, I
don't I'm not getting out kind of a homebody. I do coffees with
some guys every so often, right? I'm really proud of Jake
summers, yes, you know, because he's when, when Luke was, was
just kind of Luke Holmes was just start getting going, and we
go, and he'd ask questions and stuff like that. And he's
killing it out there. He just
asked, he asked all the right things, yeah, and then made
those things happen. He kind of used, uh, you know, us, as a
blueprint. I guess you know what I mean,
yeah. And DOM was his teacher, his mentor, and all that. And I
tell you what, Dom was really cool, because he did a, did a
congress clinic, yeah, in Houston, at the drum keyboard,
guitar shop. And I was like. Teaching and working there part
time, and he did a clinic, and he's like, you know, follow your
heart. And, you know, he really was very, very inspiring, and a
big reason to why I went, you know what? I'm gonna go for it.
I'm gonna go ahead and move to Nashville, yeah? Give us a shot.
Totally. Very cool. Yeah. Man, yeah. Tom Fauci, man, God rest
his soul. Uh, anyways, very nice to do this in a in a public
setting, because the last coffee that we shared had to be six
years ago, which at least I
need to get out.
You know what I mean? I need to get I do too. We'll do it
together, man, we'll get our own click happening. You know what I
mean? We'll give Kevin Murphy and Kia are run for their money.
Actually mentioned the key, or Kevin, I'm sorry, Kevin Murphy
is also, well, Harris. He's fantastic. He's a monster. He's
a monster. He's a beast. Great player. And he is a he is fun.
We had a lot of fun out on the road and all that. And actually,
he subbed for me in a bad time. My mother suddenly passed away.
It was in 2014 and he, we were out on the road, and he sub.
There's like, no problem. I got this. I got you covered. Nice.
Yeah, nice. So I and I've toured with him different acts. Now,
that's what the year, that's what you want. And I don't get
to see enough of him, really. Yeah, he's a good, he's a good.
Well, just open up Facebook and you will see him.
Yeah, he's really good at doing the thing, the social media
thing, I'm not. I mean, if you open up my Instagram, you're
gonna see me, me and flying, yeah,
yeah. Well, that's cool. That's your, that's your, you know,
like outside drums, passion.
I'd be remiss also and say, you know Jules also Jules drums.
Jules her last name I cannot pronounce. I don't know that
I've ever known it, massia, M ace, oh, my God, I don't know
her last Jules drums is her handle. Oh, yeah, Instagram,
yeah. Phenomenal. Drummer, AC national. Drummer, just moved to
Nashville. She's from New Jersey. Yeah, and she's killer.
She's absolutely killer. I haven't another one. Everybody
look at Jules drums. Jules drums. And, yeah, another one.
Tucker Wilson, Jesus. Tucker's Great. Jesus, he's good. He's
killer. He played on, on who's he playing with?
He's a shark guy. God,
it's the dementia. So no, but we just didn't take our privacy.
Didn't well, that guy, he's Justin Moore. Justin Moore. He's
played their whole band, played on the on the latest record.
He's killed. That's
me calling Justin short. That's funny. I'm just a couple, maybe
a couple inches taller than him. I kick sand on him on the beach.
Yeah. So fun, Steve, thank you so let's get together. We'll see
you guys. Well, thank you for some bone marrow at Lachlan
table. I love it. Let's do it. We appreciate you, man,
congratulations on everything, and thank you for helping me. 28
years ago, glad to do it. I appreciate it. Glad I did. Jim.
Did you have good time. Oh yeah, man, as always. Thank you for
your time and talent as always. And I will ask the listeners,
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