Linda Ostovitz: Hello everyone and welcome to Real Talk Real Growth.
I'm your host, Linda Ostovitz, and today I have joining me my guest,
Wendy Elover, who is now listen to this title, a Joy and Clarity Strategist.
We've never had one of those on Real Talk Real Growth, and today we're gonna find
out what that is, what that means, who Wendy's clientele is, and how you can live
your life with more joy and more clarity.
That makes every day a little easier as I understand it.
Wendy, welcome.
So happy to have you here.
Wendy Elover: Thank you so much.
Glad to be here.
Linda Ostovitz: Wendy and I met each other many years ago through the Business
Women's Network of Howard County.
And as we know, I don't ask people to join us unless I know them well
and think they really have something great to add and are good people.
'cause as we know, I choose to only spend time with good people.
And Wendy fits all those categories.
She impresses.
Even though we haven't seen each other as regularly in recent years,
there's some people in this life that you think I know who I can count on.
I know who I can reach out to, and Wendy is one of those people.
So Wendy, my dear, what is a Joy and Clarity Strategist?
Wendy Elover: All right.
Well, gee, after that introduction, I'm just gonna need a minute, you know?
That was
Linda Ostovitz: Take it.
You can have a minute.
Wendy Elover: I work with people who are very successful and
they have too many tabs open.
And I say that it could be in their head, it could be on their computer, it
could just be in their life in general.
They're busy business people and they don't look lost.
They're very capable people.
They're very put together.
They're the kind of people that you look at and go wow, they
have just really got it going on.
But inside they feel foggy.
You know?
They feel like they're just pulled in too many directions at once.
It's like they have too many decisions.
They have too many people counting on them, they just aren't quite sure what
is the most important thing that they need to focus on right at this second.
So they're not lost, they're not confused.
They're just full.
Linda Ostovitz: And they're not broken, right?
They don't need to be fixed.
Wendy Elover: They're not, they're not broken and they do not need fixing.
Absolutely not.
You know, they, they don't come to me because they don't know what to do.
They come because everything feels so important.
That makes, even the simplest decisions just feel so heavy.
They just need some space and some time.
Linda Ostovitz: So how did you get into the subject matter, Wendy, of
being a joy and clarity strategist?
Wendy Elover: I never even knew that that idea existed.
And honestly, I don't know that there's anybody else who has that title except me.
You know, it's a title I created, but,
Linda Ostovitz: You are extraordinary
Wendy Elover: well, thank you.
But you know, I had never really looked at certifications.
I believed in experience over certifications, but then I found out
there was a Certified Happiness coach.
When I heard that, I was like, that's not just my business,
that's really my life brand.
It's what I'm all about.
And when I got into that, I realized that there's very intentional issues
around joy and around clarity.
It's not just something where, oh, I'm gonna wake up today
and I'm gonna feel happy.
That there's actually things that people can do to acknowledge the joy more in
their life to bring and encourage more of those joyful moments in their life.
And then I realized that before people really have the ability to take that
breath and really experience joy.
First they need clarity because when you're clear, joy comes, it just follows.
Linda Ostovitz: So when you say they need clarity.
What does clarity look like and how does one get there?
Wendy Elover: Yeah, so the first thing that I always start with
is clarity is not certainty.
It's just enough calm that you can actually know what the next
honest, true step is that you can take at that point in life.
I think that's a really big distinction because I don't think that we're always
gonna know exactly where we're going and what we're doing every second
of every day, but it's quieting that noise enough so that you can be very
intentional in what your next move is, instead of just what's the loudest
thing that you have to take care of.
Linda Ostovitz: And how do we get there though?
I understand.
And you talked about too many tabs open, which we'll address a little in a
little more detail a little bit later, but there is a lot of noise and you
talk about the characterizations of the people that you work with who are
high functioning and very successful.
Noise.
I think we all understand noise.
How do we quiet that so we can get to the, or move closer to the clarity.
Wendy Elover: Sure.
For me, I actually decided, I love acronyms, so for me, I have
a framework called the Space Framework, and it really is S-P-A-C-E.
And the first thing is really slowing down for a minute.
Clarity rarely shows up when everything feels incredibly urgent, so I help my
clients to slow down the conversation.
To just slow down some of that internal pressure so that they can
actually hear themselves think again.
And I think that's one of the biggest things is you know, that
we don't rush clarity, we make room for it, and then it shows up.
Then, pulling out the real question.
Usually when people come to me, they have five to 10 or 30 different things
that they think we're talking about.
So one of the things that we do is sorting through all those different
things, all of those competing priorities that people are facing every moment
of every day, and figuring out what is that one thing that if we could just
get clear on that one thing right now, everything else would feel lighter.
And then A, we acknowledge what's heavy.
Because unmade decisions, they carry a lot of emotional weight.
And so we've gotta make space for that.
There's fear, there's responsibility, there's expectations.
There's a lot of pressure that people are holding.
So we don't wanna fix it, we don't wanna minimize it.
We wanna acknowledge it and realize it's a full moment, and then we
wanna be able to move on from that.
And then when we get to see, that's the actual clarifying, right?
We're gonna figure out what matters the most in that very moment.
And I know that sounds oh, that's such an easy thing, right?
It's not really all that easy, but it brings in a whole bunch
of different things, right?
Your values, your priorities, the season of life that you're coming into, and
it's about separating the noise from that, what's really that inside truth.
So that way people can start choosing what they actually believe they
should be doing instead of focusing on all the shoulds and the have to's.
Which I think, especially as women we are very tied to sometimes
because not every good option is gonna be your particular option.
And then finally, the E we've gotta ease into what that step is, 'cause it
doesn't always mean there's a big plan.
It means what's the next best step.
So again, our goal is not to have certainty all the time, it's to
be able to trust ourselves again.
There you have it.
Linda Ostovitz: Okay.
So space sounds like a really good word to use in connection with engaging
in this process but I'm very curious, again, when you talk about your
clientele who are high performers, run teams don't slow down for anything.
And how do you say to those people, any of us who are listening here,
who are those people by the way, and we walk among us all the time
Wendy Elover: Yes.
Linda Ostovitz: Give yourself some space.
I mean, I could hear some, what?
Are you kidding me?
I don't have any space.
How do you take those people and say, look into my eyes.
I'm telling you, slow down and work through this.
Wendy Elover: Yep.
And it definitely is a process, right?
And sometimes it's easy and sometimes exactly what you're talking about.
You can't just look somebody in the eye and say, let's do this thing.
And they go, okay, great.
I'm in.
I think for me a lot of it goes back to my own story as how I got to this place.
For me, I was always the capable one, right?
The reliable one, the perfectionist, the one who would take everything
on and just keep things moving.
And because I'm familiar with that space.
I get them.
Right.
I understand them.
So it's not like we jump in and I go, okay, we're gonna just clear our minds.
You know?
Especially if anybody who does meditation and that's fantastic.
I was always that person who said, I can't stop thinking.
'cause when I stop thinking that, I'm thinking about the
fact that I'm not thinking.
And so that's as bad as thinking about things, right?
So it's not something that we do in a second.
It's something that takes time, but there is a process, um, and
a lot of it has to do with just starting with a brain dump, right?
We don't start with like, okay, what is the one thing that we need to talk about?
Because if they knew that one thing, they would not be talking to me.
We start off with a brain dump.
We talk about just all the things, and sometimes just hearing that out loud,
hearing yourself talk about all the responsibilities, all the things that
you're dealing with, all of the stuff that you're supposed to make decisions about.
That in and of itself is enough for you to understand, wow, now I understand why
I can't move forward with such and such.
And then that's where the conversation starts.
And it really is.
It's a conversation.
It's not a two second process but it is so doable and relief happens a lot
quicker than people expect sometimes.
We can do a lot.
When you can get things out, you can hear yourself think again.
You can hear the things that you're actually dealing with.
It's easier to start categorizing them, sorting through them.
And the same way that you know, we always are more prone to keep
an appointment that we have with someone else than with ourselves.
When you have an appointment to get clear and you're paying for it,
usually in that case it gets real very quickly and we get to the heart of
things, we don't mess around 'cause time is money and I understand that.
But clarity is priceless.
Linda Ostovitz: That's a couple of good ways to get people's attention.
You refer to yourself as a recovering perfectionist.
And you talk about your own experience that has brought you to
the place where you are right now.
What do you mean by that?
A recovering perfectionist.
Wendy Elover: Yeah I say recovering and with all due respect to
people who are actually recovering from real, true life issues.
But for me, I feel like once you are a perfectionist, you can manage it.
You can recognize it and you can try to adjust the way that you handle
situations, but you're always gonna have that in the back of your mind.
That little voice, right?
That little voice on your shoulder that's saying, you're not good
enough, you're not doing it right.
You've gotta prepare more, you've gotta do this, you've gotta do that.
All those shoulds and those have tos are all part of that.
And for me, it was.
I used to have a lot of ego, and when I say ego, I don't mean ego like,
oh, I'm the best thing in the world.
Not that part of ego, but the ego part that says you've got to live
up to whatever it is that the world thinks you're supposed to be.
You can't let them see what's really going on inside.
You've gotta make sure that you are perfect.
For me, that was a process because my ego was loud and it was in
charge for a really long time.
And now that I've gotten through that and it's been years and years that, you
know, and now I'm helping others to do that, it's an amazing thing because I
still recognize when it, there's times when it could come into play really
quickly, but I also realized very quickly I have tools to be able to combat that.
Linda Ostovitz: It's interesting again, I hear you.
Oh, I hear you so loud.
I would imagine most of our listeners do business people, a lot
of responsibility, high achievers, public perception as you talk about.
But I guess when you talk about a brain dump, that sounds to me like a luxury.
To some people who are the high achievers, and you always have to have answers, and
always have to have your act together because you're the leader and people are
looking for to you to be that person.
So to have someplace where you can do a brain dump I think
it's priceless, actually.
Really priceless.
Wendy Elover: I totally agree with you.
And I think that being a high achiever is amazing, and being
that go-to person is fantastic.
Until it becomes a coping strategy,
Linda Ostovitz: What do you mean by that?
Wendy Elover: When it's something that you can't shut off.
When it's like you're on the go and you've, you're doing all the things
and you're making it all happen, but if you take that minute to breathe.
You suddenly get that, it's a physical reaction, right?
It's a no.
That's not what I'm supposed to do.
No I shouldn't be sitting on this sofa.
I shouldn't be doing, I shouldn't take time to, to have dinner with the family.
I shouldn't take time to watch that TV show.
I'm supposed to be going, I'm supposed to be doing, and human beings versus human
doings I think is a very real thing.
And so one of the other things that I talk a lot about is scheduling joy.
And that's where the joy and the clarity come together.
While I love for people to have joy in their life every day, there are
moments of joy that you can have any day, even your worst possible day.
I call them glimmers.
I think they were very popular on the internet a while ago.
Lots of memes about them.
But it's the idea of those little tiny moments of joy that happen
that if we don't take the time to notice them, they just go away.
It could be something as simple as my coffee came exactly the right
temperature when I got it from the, the drive-through window today.
Or I hit every green light when I was already running late to that meeting.
But if we take the time to notice it, our brain is a protector,
but it's also a problem solver.
And if we give it a problem to solve, it wants to do a good
job, it wants to solve it.
So the more that we can show it, those little moments of joy, those,
oh, Wendy likes her coffee that way.
Oh, she likes, when such and such happens, then your brain automatically
starts to find more of those things.
Then usually my clients notice, they're like, it's so crazy
since I've been working with you.
I just had so many, like these weird little moments of joy in
my life, and the bottom line is I didn't make the joy in their life.
I just helped them to take the minute to notice it.
Linda Ostovitz: So that that moment to notice it is a moment of clarity.
Is that right?
Wendy Elover: It is, and that's why the joy and clarity, I think, go together.
The definition is kind of combined, right?
But the scheduling joy, I feel like when you are clear on your values and
your priorities, not only does it make all your business decisions easier,
it makes your life decisions easier.
When someone asks you to do something, whether it's something in your
personal life or your professional life, you have a framework.
You have the tools already set up to know whether your answer is yes or no to that.
Where before you might have just said yes, because you see a big
white space on your calendar, so you're like, oh, I can make it.
But once you have this all in place, these tools in place, you
stop and you go, you know what?
I didn't write on my calendar that I actually need that
time for something else.
And again, it can be something productive or really an unproductive thing, right?
Because unproductive things are really productive.
It's giving you that time, that space to recharge.
Linda Ostovitz: You also Wendy talked often about gratitude and
all of these things are obviously related, but talk to us about the
role of gratitude in all of this.
Wendy Elover: Absolutely.
If we were sitting here and you could actually see me, you know that
above my head on my wall, I have gratitude as a lifestyle, right?
And that's really something that I put there as a reminder for me.
And I realized then when I do Zoom meetings, people get to
see it too, which is great.
But for me, gratitude is the fastest way to get to the joy and the clarity.
It's like a secret sauce.
We can add a little, we can sprinkle in a little bit of it and we can
get to where we wanna be faster.
And I know especially with high achievers, they wanna do everything faster, right?
And for me it, it's funny 'cause people laugh.
They know I'm all about gratitude and so they go, oh, you must
have a journal that's, 17.
Thousand pages long and all of that.
And there's all kinds of fantastic gratitude processes and practices and
I encourage whatever one works for you.
But full disclosure, I started off the traditional, I guess way as people
say, oh, you should write down three things you're grateful for every
morning, and that's a fantastic idea.
Then they said, and at night you should write down, something, you're grateful for
something that happened during the day.
Again, fantastic idea, problem for me is again, I was a perfectionist
and being a perfectionist, if I wound up at the end of the day laying down
and then realizing that my gratitude journal, which was maybe across the
room, I hadn't filled it out that day.
All of a sudden, that was a failure.
I felt instead of having this like grateful, big heart abundant moment, I was
having this, oh no, I've gotta drag myself outta bed and finish that another chore.
So Gratitude Journal became a chore for me and I said, no, this is not
the way this is supposed to work.
So I actually took a page out of my friend, she goes by Dr.
Unstuck.
Her name is Dr.
Kimberly Quinn.
And she had an idea for gratitude that was really simple and I use it with a lot of
my clients to start with, and it's just.
We open your eyes in the morning before you do anything, before you
touch your phone, before your feet hit the ground, say thank you.
Just a heartfelt thank you because those first few minutes of the day are so
incredibly precious of how your brain is gonna function for the rest of the day.
And just by saying those words, thank you.
Even if you don't even know what you're saying, thank you for, 'cause you just
woke up and maybe you had a nightmare.
Maybe you have an awfully busy day that day.
It switches your brain chemistry.
It allows you that moment and that time and that space for you to decide
intentionally how to start your day, no matter how crazy busy it might be.
Linda Ostovitz: I have to share with you that I had a dream last
night that I had to figure out how to get coffee for 18 people before
they left our location to go home.
And I'm thinking, oh, I gotta find some place where I can buy a box of coffee.
And then, like dreams are goofy and then what am I gonna do with it?
And whatever.
And eventually I realized that these 18 people I needed to buy
coffee for were already gone.
The event had finished and my first words were, thank you.
As you had mentioned to me, to do that, maybe not even as consciously as my
thank you was, but thank you that I really don't have to get coffee for
18 people this morning before they leave this gathering that we had.
And of course, like I said, they were already gone.
But it works.
It was like almost a relief, to realize, oh, I don't have to do that.
Thank you.
Wendy Elover: I love that.
Linda Ostovitz: Obviously that can apply to any situation.
Like you say,
Wendy Elover: Absolutely
Linda Ostovitz: You know what?
I forgot that all that happened until just this moment, Wendy,
so thank you for that reminder.
Wendy Elover: no I love that.
And it is, sometimes people have a to-do list and they're very
faithful to their to-do list.
And I was definitely very faithful to my to-do list.
And it filled my brain even when I might've had a moment to stop.
There was always something on the to-do list to do.
One of the things I do with some of my clients is a to don't list, and it's
the things I'm not going to do anymore.
The things I'm not gonna allow to take me off the rails.
That I'm not going to allow people to do certain things to me, and I'm not
gonna allow myself to accept anymore.
So the to don't list the thank you, they're little things, but they're little
things that if you start to practice them every day, again, it doesn't guarantee
you happiness every moment of every day.
I get that all the time.
People say Wendy, if I could be smiling and happy like you all the
time, my life was like, rainbows and butterflies would be fine.
Trust me.
My life is not rainbows and butterflies every minute, but again, it's having
the tools so that when you get into those dark places, you know that it's
temporary and you know how to get out of it, and I think that's what's huge.
Linda Ostovitz: So a to-don't list.
That's an interesting concept.
So that just reminds me of something else that I have shared with a couple
of people that you and I have talked about previously, and that is New
Year's resolutions and A don't make a New Year's resolution but instead
do the one single word guide, or I forget exactly how you put it, but
I found that very interesting and I think my listeners would be interested.
Share your thoughts on that, would you?
Wendy Elover: Sure.
Yeah.
So yeah, what you're talking about, I call it the anti New Year's resolution.
Basically, a lot of us make New Year's resolutions and then if
you talk to somebody, I think it's actually the third week in
January, they call it quitters week.
When most of the New Year's resolutions get put to the side, and then people
move on with the way that they've been for the past 15, 20, 30, 40 years.
And the idea with the one word, it's not my idea.
There's lots of people who have been doing this for a long time.
I actually learned it from a friend of mine who is a pastor who
helped to write a book called The One Word That Changes Everything.
And his book is very much has a religious base.
Mine is not so much focused on religion but the idea is that you're
gonna find one word that's gonna help to guide you throughout your year.
So in his book, he talks about looking outward, looking inward,
and looking up to find your word.
And I think for anybody, when people first hear it, they go, oh, one word.
That's simple I just gotta find one word.
But then when you take a minute to realize, you've gotta find one word
that's gonna be your guiding light.
It's gonna be who you wanna be.
How you wanna show up in the world, what you wanna achieve, how
you wanna feel during your days.
'cause I'm a huge believer in scheduling the way that you want to
feel more than just what you wanna do.
The doing always comes, there's always more to do, but those
feelings can really be helpful.
So for me and my family, we actually usually do it at Thanksgiving
just 'cause it's the only time I know that everybody will be there
and it won't be any extra people.
It'll just be my little group, my little crew.
We actually paint our one words on canvas.
We hang 'em in my living room and they're gaudy and they're
silly colored, and they're my favorite part of my living room.
And, we take down the ones from the year before and we talk about how
that word maybe showed up in our life.
And a lot of times it may not be the way that we thought it was gonna show
up or why we originally picked it.
But almost always we can look back and realize, wow, this is
how that word influenced me or took on a different meaning.
And then of course we put up our new words and we talk about why we picked that word.
We first started doing it, it used to take weeks for my kids and I'd have discussions
and my husband and we would talk about what our words were gonna be, and we'd
look through lists and we'd use the thesaurus kind of thing to think of words.
And now I feel like, you know, when November comes, at least one of
my kids in our group chat will be like, Hey everybody, don't forget to
start thinking about your one word.
And usually within very quick amount of time, they'll start throwing out words
or going, I think my word is this, but I was also thinking of that, and it
really sparked some cool conversations and it's just a way to get focused.
Again, I'm all about living intentionally, so it's just one more
way to intentionally make a decision of how you're gonna show up in the world
Linda Ostovitz: I will tell you this has provoked a fair
amount of thought on my part.
I haven't come up with the word yet.
But I love the idea to do that rather than, like you say, a
resolution which, they don't last.
I do believe it is the third week in January, but something that's a
word that is much more universal, or maybe that's the right word.
I don't know.
Getting there, using it, being affected by, it can take so many forms, but I can
see how one word can be more significant in your life than the list of resolutions.
So thank you For sharing that Wendy, I know you're a, an author even though you
didn't wanna be an author and I actually looked up, I think it was 2015 or 16
'cause I bought your first book and I was actually looking back for when that was.
So what was your first book and what was the motivation for you writing that?
Wendy Elover: Yeah, so the name of the book is My Cape Is At The
Cleaners, Choosing Happy Over Perfect.
And thank you so much.
You're one of my big first supporters, so I totally appreciate
that and you are very correct.
I had never intended to be an author, never intended to write a book didn't
really think I had anything to share or to say that wasn't already common knowledge.
But the universe thought differently, I think.
And so that book came out and that one was really just my story, my journey of
realizing that I possibly had lost my ability to dream and it snuck up on me.
And then figuring out how do you go from there to being able to find so
many dreams and figure out how to set goals again and figure out how to
move in the world in a different way, which was something brand new for me.
I'm actually excited 'cause I am working on the finishing touches of a new book
and this one is called Too Many Tabs Open.
So again, it's it's the idea of trying to find what's really important
when everything sounds so loud.
Linda Ostovitz: You, making reference to too many tabs open, and it feels to me
like that's that clarity piece and that space piece and focusing on, let's see,
really acknowledging what's heavy and pulling out what the real question is.
And your first book was focused on your experience.
What does Too Many Tabs Open focus on?
Wendy Elover: Yep.
And I think that's exactly it.
That first book was my experience and a whole bunch of quotes from other people
that I thought were helpful and uplifting.
And my hope was just that if somebody found one little nugget right?
That's always my hope.
Anything that I write, anything that I share when I do a presentation,
just if they get one little nugget that changes something in their
world, then to me it's all worth it.
This one is definitely more focused on the person reading it.
Of course you're gonna hear me in it because I can't write anything
without having a little bit of me thrown in there and some of my stories.
But it's really about how do we go through that process of getting clear.
Feeling that peace and that calm and that ease.
I think, ease was actually one of my words a year or two ago, and
I've definitely held onto that one.
I think it's just a great word.
It doesn't mean that life is easy, but there's an ease, there's a
flow, and I think when you find that it's really, it's a giant exhale.
The only way that I can describe it.
Linda Ostovitz: That sounds like a great word.
So we've talked about clarity, gratitude, joy, kind of doing this work.
And you talked about having tools.
So you have, I think it's a 12 week program that you run.
Is that right to sort of help people navigate this process to end up with
tools that enable them to manage these situations going forward?
Is that right?
Wendy Elover: That's correct.
And actually I like to look at it as a 90 day program because as a high
achiever, I feel like 90 days is doable.
12 weeks sounds like a really long stretch.
Linda Ostovitz: sure does.
Wendy Elover: And I know they're the same, for me it's 90 days, and it's really an
opportunity for all the things that we're talking about, for people to have the time
and the space to do it, but to do it in a way that fits in with their busy life.
To fit in so that they can start to try these.
Because this isn't something where you go to a masterclass and then
you're done and you're good to go.
It's something that you need to learn and to practice and to figure out
how it fits in your particular life.
And that's what I'm all about.
It's not a cookie cutter kind of approach.
It's very individualized.
And that really is, a way for people to come out the other side to be able to say,
I'm recovering clarity addict, perhaps.
For anybody who's listening who kind of has felt themselves nodding along and
feeling that understood our conversation, I also have something that's a lot simpler
that I would love to be able to offer to your listeners, if that's okay to do.
Yeah.
I actually just have a 10 minute clarity reset.
I think that's a really easy way for people to start.
'cause I feel like sometimes when people listen to conversations like
the one you and I are having right now, then they go, that's really great
but how do I actually do something?
I don't have a brain dumper person right now.
I don't know what I should be doing in this exact moment.
Of course, yes, please get in touch with me.
I'd love to talk to you, but.
I think that an easy way to start is just this really simple it's just a couple
pages long 10 minute clarity reset.
It's not therapy.
It's not about fixing anything.
It's just a way to very quickly quiet the noise and to get grounded again.
Linda Ostovitz: If any of my listeners have an interest, please reach out to me.
I will make sure that Wendy gets your information and you hers,
and get a 10 minute clarity reset.
Seriously to think that you can get a clarity reset in 10 minutes, and I
know that's not the be all, end all, I understand that, but you know what?
At least these overachievers, high achievers will stop for 10
minutes to focus on something that, what can make their life better.
So Wendy, I have to say that in all the years I've known you, I've always
seen you as somebody who is upbeat and positive and giving and all of that.
I had no idea that there were certifications for this type of
thing and the depth and let's call it science that's involved in all of this.
And I am very pleased to be able to offer to my listeners something again
that we don't talk about all that much.
And that is in addition to the performance and the metrics and the measurements and
the deadlines, there's such a whole nother part to who we are, or there should be
anyway, a whole nother part to who we are.
That isn't something that's metrics driven or deadline driven.
It's how you live your life every day and you feel better and you probably make
everybody around you feel better as well.
Wendy, thank you so much for sharing your experience and your wisdom.
When should we expect your new book to come out?
Wendy Elover: Yeah, so right now it's in the editing process
and my biggest challenge right now is I'm working on a cover.
So I've actually been in my family chat all day, throwing out some
options with colors, and my girls have been giving me some feedback.
So I'm hoping it's gonna be very soon that it will be available.
If anybody does wanna find out more about the book or they wanna find out
about the Clarity reset or all that, the easiest way is my website, which
is literally my name, wendyelover.com.
And at the very bottom is little black button for the clarity reset.
So just to keep it nice and easy, I always like for people to be able to,
to get what they need when they need it.
Linda Ostovitz: Good.
I'm glad you said that.
And also, I'm sure on your website you will announce when the book
comes out, I know the last one was available through Amazon.
Will that be the case this time as well?
Wendy Elover: I believe so.
To be determined.
We're working on that, working on all of that right now.
Linda Ostovitz: Okay.
Very good.
Well, Wendy, thank you again for being with us.
I, again, I think this is a great conversation that very few people who
are high achievers and busy people have, and they need to have it.
Thank you for being here.
Appreciate it.
Look forward to seeing you again in person again real soon.
Wendy Elover: Absolutely.
Thank you so much.
Appreciate you.
Linda Ostovitz: You too.