WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:45.384 --> 00:00:48.714 Linda Ostovitz: Hello everyone and welcome to Real Talk Real Growth. 00:00:49.164 --> 00:00:54.204 I'm your host, Linda Ostovitz, and today I have joining me my guest, 00:00:54.204 --> 00:01:01.254 Wendy Elover, who is now listen to this title, a Joy and Clarity Strategist. 00:01:01.854 --> 00:01:06.114 We've never had one of those on Real Talk Real Growth, and today we're gonna find 00:01:06.114 --> 00:01:14.454 out what that is, what that means, who Wendy's clientele is, and how you can live 00:01:14.454 --> 00:01:17.034 your life with more joy and more clarity. 00:01:17.514 --> 00:01:20.184 That makes every day a little easier as I understand it. 00:01:20.454 --> 00:01:21.354 Wendy, welcome. 00:01:21.354 --> 00:01:22.824 So happy to have you here. 00:01:23.394 --> 00:01:24.429 Wendy Elover: Thank you so much. 00:01:24.429 --> 00:01:25.119 Glad to be here. 00:01:26.304 --> 00:01:29.394 Linda Ostovitz: Wendy and I met each other many years ago through the Business 00:01:29.394 --> 00:01:31.134 Women's Network of Howard County. 00:01:31.584 --> 00:01:36.384 And as we know, I don't ask people to join us unless I know them well 00:01:36.384 --> 00:01:40.704 and think they really have something great to add and are good people. 00:01:40.734 --> 00:01:44.124 'cause as we know, I choose to only spend time with good people. 00:01:44.884 --> 00:01:46.684 And Wendy fits all those categories. 00:01:46.684 --> 00:01:47.824 She impresses. 00:01:47.924 --> 00:01:51.374 Even though we haven't seen each other as regularly in recent years, 00:01:51.794 --> 00:01:55.957 there's some people in this life that you think I know who I can count on. 00:01:55.957 --> 00:01:58.867 I know who I can reach out to, and Wendy is one of those people. 00:01:58.957 --> 00:02:06.131 So Wendy, my dear, what is a Joy and Clarity Strategist? 00:02:07.001 --> 00:02:07.481 Wendy Elover: All right. 00:02:07.481 --> 00:02:10.121 Well, gee, after that introduction, I'm just gonna need a minute, you know? 00:02:10.121 --> 00:02:10.451 That was 00:02:10.661 --> 00:02:11.261 Linda Ostovitz: Take it. 00:02:11.381 --> 00:02:12.281 You can have a minute. 00:02:12.331 --> 00:02:15.361 Wendy Elover: I work with people who are very successful and 00:02:15.601 --> 00:02:17.341 they have too many tabs open. 00:02:18.151 --> 00:02:21.481 And I say that it could be in their head, it could be on their computer, it 00:02:21.481 --> 00:02:23.011 could just be in their life in general. 00:02:23.291 --> 00:02:26.981 They're busy business people and they don't look lost. 00:02:27.536 --> 00:02:28.946 They're very capable people. 00:02:28.976 --> 00:02:30.116 They're very put together. 00:02:30.416 --> 00:02:32.816 They're the kind of people that you look at and go wow, they 00:02:32.816 --> 00:02:34.526 have just really got it going on. 00:02:35.396 --> 00:02:37.946 But inside they feel foggy. 00:02:38.816 --> 00:02:38.996 You know? 00:02:38.996 --> 00:02:41.756 They feel like they're just pulled in too many directions at once. 00:02:42.096 --> 00:02:43.716 It's like they have too many decisions. 00:02:43.716 --> 00:02:48.759 They have too many people counting on them, they just aren't quite sure what 00:02:48.819 --> 00:02:51.999 is the most important thing that they need to focus on right at this second. 00:02:52.809 --> 00:02:55.059 So they're not lost, they're not confused. 00:02:55.689 --> 00:02:56.559 They're just full. 00:02:57.474 --> 00:02:58.674 Linda Ostovitz: And they're not broken, right? 00:02:58.909 --> 00:02:59.759 They don't need to be fixed. 00:02:59.809 --> 00:03:02.949 Wendy Elover: They're not, they're not broken and they do not need fixing. 00:03:02.949 --> 00:03:04.209 Absolutely not. 00:03:04.629 --> 00:03:07.329 You know, they, they don't come to me because they don't know what to do. 00:03:07.749 --> 00:03:10.269 They come because everything feels so important. 00:03:11.019 --> 00:03:14.169 That makes, even the simplest decisions just feel so heavy. 00:03:14.259 --> 00:03:16.059 They just need some space and some time. 00:03:16.607 --> 00:03:20.597 Linda Ostovitz: So how did you get into the subject matter, Wendy, of 00:03:20.597 --> 00:03:23.027 being a joy and clarity strategist? 00:03:23.737 --> 00:03:26.137 Wendy Elover: I never even knew that that idea existed. 00:03:26.317 --> 00:03:29.737 And honestly, I don't know that there's anybody else who has that title except me. 00:03:29.737 --> 00:03:31.507 You know, it's a title I created, but, 00:03:31.542 --> 00:03:33.037 Linda Ostovitz: You are extraordinary 00:03:34.117 --> 00:03:34.777 Wendy Elover: well, thank you. 00:03:35.407 --> 00:03:39.307 But you know, I had never really looked at certifications. 00:03:39.337 --> 00:03:42.787 I believed in experience over certifications, but then I found out 00:03:42.787 --> 00:03:44.767 there was a Certified Happiness coach. 00:03:45.427 --> 00:03:48.637 When I heard that, I was like, that's not just my business, 00:03:48.697 --> 00:03:50.317 that's really my life brand. 00:03:50.317 --> 00:03:51.337 It's what I'm all about. 00:03:52.087 --> 00:03:57.257 And when I got into that, I realized that there's very intentional issues 00:03:57.257 --> 00:03:59.057 around joy and around clarity. 00:03:59.417 --> 00:04:01.667 It's not just something where, oh, I'm gonna wake up today 00:04:01.667 --> 00:04:02.687 and I'm gonna feel happy. 00:04:03.407 --> 00:04:08.027 That there's actually things that people can do to acknowledge the joy more in 00:04:08.027 --> 00:04:11.927 their life to bring and encourage more of those joyful moments in their life. 00:04:12.407 --> 00:04:16.907 And then I realized that before people really have the ability to take that 00:04:16.907 --> 00:04:19.277 breath and really experience joy. 00:04:19.967 --> 00:04:25.604 First they need clarity because when you're clear, joy comes, it just follows. 00:04:26.431 --> 00:04:28.186 Linda Ostovitz: So when you say they need clarity. 00:04:28.426 --> 00:04:32.266 What does clarity look like and how does one get there? 00:04:33.229 --> 00:04:35.419 Wendy Elover: Yeah, so the first thing that I always start with 00:04:35.419 --> 00:04:38.689 is clarity is not certainty. 00:04:39.709 --> 00:04:43.429 It's just enough calm that you can actually know what the next 00:04:43.429 --> 00:04:47.389 honest, true step is that you can take at that point in life. 00:04:48.124 --> 00:04:51.424 I think that's a really big distinction because I don't think that we're always 00:04:51.424 --> 00:04:54.994 gonna know exactly where we're going and what we're doing every second 00:04:54.994 --> 00:04:59.194 of every day, but it's quieting that noise enough so that you can be very 00:04:59.194 --> 00:05:03.304 intentional in what your next move is, instead of just what's the loudest 00:05:03.304 --> 00:05:04.654 thing that you have to take care of. 00:05:05.739 --> 00:05:07.259 Linda Ostovitz: And how do we get there though? 00:05:07.404 --> 00:05:08.584 I understand. 00:05:08.664 --> 00:05:13.074 And you talked about too many tabs open, which we'll address a little in a 00:05:13.074 --> 00:05:18.354 little more detail a little bit later, but there is a lot of noise and you 00:05:18.354 --> 00:05:22.354 talk about the characterizations of the people that you work with who are 00:05:22.354 --> 00:05:25.204 high functioning and very successful. 00:05:26.494 --> 00:05:27.214 Noise. 00:05:27.304 --> 00:05:29.554 I think we all understand noise. 00:05:29.884 --> 00:05:34.329 How do we quiet that so we can get to the, or move closer to the clarity. 00:05:35.639 --> 00:05:36.089 Wendy Elover: Sure. 00:05:36.369 --> 00:05:41.009 For me, I actually decided, I love acronyms, so for me, I have 00:05:41.009 --> 00:05:45.749 a framework called the Space Framework, and it really is S-P-A-C-E. 00:05:46.379 --> 00:05:49.409 And the first thing is really slowing down for a minute. 00:05:50.039 --> 00:05:55.019 Clarity rarely shows up when everything feels incredibly urgent, so I help my 00:05:55.019 --> 00:05:57.179 clients to slow down the conversation. 00:05:57.749 --> 00:06:00.689 To just slow down some of that internal pressure so that they can 00:06:00.689 --> 00:06:02.699 actually hear themselves think again. 00:06:03.269 --> 00:06:05.639 And I think that's one of the biggest things is you know, that 00:06:05.639 --> 00:06:09.094 we don't rush clarity, we make room for it, and then it shows up. 00:06:09.929 --> 00:06:11.679 Then, pulling out the real question. 00:06:11.949 --> 00:06:15.579 Usually when people come to me, they have five to 10 or 30 different things 00:06:15.579 --> 00:06:16.869 that they think we're talking about. 00:06:17.229 --> 00:06:20.769 So one of the things that we do is sorting through all those different 00:06:20.769 --> 00:06:24.609 things, all of those competing priorities that people are facing every moment 00:06:24.609 --> 00:06:29.589 of every day, and figuring out what is that one thing that if we could just 00:06:29.589 --> 00:06:33.429 get clear on that one thing right now, everything else would feel lighter. 00:06:34.459 --> 00:06:37.009 And then A, we acknowledge what's heavy. 00:06:37.684 --> 00:06:40.894 Because unmade decisions, they carry a lot of emotional weight. 00:06:41.554 --> 00:06:43.294 And so we've gotta make space for that. 00:06:43.294 --> 00:06:46.264 There's fear, there's responsibility, there's expectations. 00:06:46.414 --> 00:06:48.274 There's a lot of pressure that people are holding. 00:06:48.754 --> 00:06:51.424 So we don't wanna fix it, we don't wanna minimize it. 00:06:51.964 --> 00:06:55.474 We wanna acknowledge it and realize it's a full moment, and then we 00:06:55.474 --> 00:06:57.094 wanna be able to move on from that. 00:06:57.754 --> 00:07:00.874 And then when we get to see, that's the actual clarifying, right? 00:07:00.874 --> 00:07:03.934 We're gonna figure out what matters the most in that very moment. 00:07:05.029 --> 00:07:07.699 And I know that sounds oh, that's such an easy thing, right? 00:07:07.749 --> 00:07:11.199 It's not really all that easy, but it brings in a whole bunch 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:12.129 of different things, right? 00:07:12.129 --> 00:07:16.899 Your values, your priorities, the season of life that you're coming into, and 00:07:16.899 --> 00:07:21.609 it's about separating the noise from that, what's really that inside truth. 00:07:21.969 --> 00:07:25.329 So that way people can start choosing what they actually believe they 00:07:25.329 --> 00:07:28.899 should be doing instead of focusing on all the shoulds and the have to's. 00:07:29.289 --> 00:07:32.899 Which I think, especially as women we are very tied to sometimes 00:07:33.649 --> 00:07:37.639 because not every good option is gonna be your particular option. 00:07:39.199 --> 00:07:43.679 And then finally, the E we've gotta ease into what that step is, 'cause it 00:07:43.679 --> 00:07:45.179 doesn't always mean there's a big plan. 00:07:45.209 --> 00:07:47.279 It means what's the next best step. 00:07:47.729 --> 00:07:51.299 So again, our goal is not to have certainty all the time, it's to 00:07:51.299 --> 00:07:52.889 be able to trust ourselves again. 00:07:53.889 --> 00:07:54.489 There you have it. 00:07:54.846 --> 00:07:55.446 Linda Ostovitz: Okay. 00:07:55.446 --> 00:08:01.816 So space sounds like a really good word to use in connection with engaging 00:08:01.906 --> 00:08:05.866 in this process but I'm very curious, again, when you talk about your 00:08:05.866 --> 00:08:13.556 clientele who are high performers, run teams don't slow down for anything. 00:08:14.786 --> 00:08:19.503 And how do you say to those people, any of us who are listening here, 00:08:19.503 --> 00:08:23.043 who are those people by the way, and we walk among us all the time 00:08:23.303 --> 00:08:23.523 Wendy Elover: Yes. 00:08:24.663 --> 00:08:26.163 Linda Ostovitz: Give yourself some space. 00:08:26.223 --> 00:08:27.933 I mean, I could hear some, what? 00:08:27.933 --> 00:08:28.563 Are you kidding me? 00:08:28.893 --> 00:08:29.913 I don't have any space. 00:08:30.513 --> 00:08:34.263 How do you take those people and say, look into my eyes. 00:08:34.263 --> 00:08:37.898 I'm telling you, slow down and work through this. 00:08:39.558 --> 00:08:39.798 Wendy Elover: Yep. 00:08:40.278 --> 00:08:42.138 And it definitely is a process, right? 00:08:42.138 --> 00:08:45.558 And sometimes it's easy and sometimes exactly what you're talking about. 00:08:45.588 --> 00:08:48.318 You can't just look somebody in the eye and say, let's do this thing. 00:08:48.318 --> 00:08:49.578 And they go, okay, great. 00:08:49.578 --> 00:08:50.118 I'm in. 00:08:50.168 --> 00:08:55.348 I think for me a lot of it goes back to my own story as how I got to this place. 00:08:55.558 --> 00:08:57.928 For me, I was always the capable one, right? 00:08:57.928 --> 00:09:02.428 The reliable one, the perfectionist, the one who would take everything 00:09:02.428 --> 00:09:04.018 on and just keep things moving. 00:09:04.558 --> 00:09:07.218 And because I'm familiar with that space. 00:09:08.593 --> 00:09:09.223 I get them. 00:09:09.253 --> 00:09:09.553 Right. 00:09:09.553 --> 00:09:10.873 I understand them. 00:09:11.173 --> 00:09:14.953 So it's not like we jump in and I go, okay, we're gonna just clear our minds. 00:09:14.953 --> 00:09:15.193 You know? 00:09:15.223 --> 00:09:19.153 Especially if anybody who does meditation and that's fantastic. 00:09:19.183 --> 00:09:22.303 I was always that person who said, I can't stop thinking. 00:09:22.663 --> 00:09:24.733 'cause when I stop thinking that, I'm thinking about the 00:09:24.733 --> 00:09:26.023 fact that I'm not thinking. 00:09:26.353 --> 00:09:28.843 And so that's as bad as thinking about things, right? 00:09:29.113 --> 00:09:31.363 So it's not something that we do in a second. 00:09:31.703 --> 00:09:35.363 It's something that takes time, but there is a process, um, and 00:09:35.363 --> 00:09:38.873 a lot of it has to do with just starting with a brain dump, right? 00:09:38.873 --> 00:09:41.843 We don't start with like, okay, what is the one thing that we need to talk about? 00:09:41.843 --> 00:09:44.123 Because if they knew that one thing, they would not be talking to me. 00:09:44.963 --> 00:09:46.403 We start off with a brain dump. 00:09:46.403 --> 00:09:51.713 We talk about just all the things, and sometimes just hearing that out loud, 00:09:52.133 --> 00:09:56.183 hearing yourself talk about all the responsibilities, all the things that 00:09:56.183 --> 00:10:00.383 you're dealing with, all of the stuff that you're supposed to make decisions about. 00:10:01.093 --> 00:10:06.523 That in and of itself is enough for you to understand, wow, now I understand why 00:10:06.523 --> 00:10:08.863 I can't move forward with such and such. 00:10:09.373 --> 00:10:11.263 And then that's where the conversation starts. 00:10:11.383 --> 00:10:12.073 And it really is. 00:10:12.073 --> 00:10:13.063 It's a conversation. 00:10:13.063 --> 00:10:19.603 It's not a two second process but it is so doable and relief happens a lot 00:10:19.603 --> 00:10:21.463 quicker than people expect sometimes. 00:10:21.863 --> 00:10:22.823 We can do a lot. 00:10:22.823 --> 00:10:25.973 When you can get things out, you can hear yourself think again. 00:10:25.973 --> 00:10:28.043 You can hear the things that you're actually dealing with. 00:10:28.508 --> 00:10:32.108 It's easier to start categorizing them, sorting through them. 00:10:32.618 --> 00:10:35.798 And the same way that you know, we always are more prone to keep 00:10:35.798 --> 00:10:38.198 an appointment that we have with someone else than with ourselves. 00:10:38.858 --> 00:10:42.368 When you have an appointment to get clear and you're paying for it, 00:10:42.368 --> 00:10:48.458 usually in that case it gets real very quickly and we get to the heart of 00:10:48.458 --> 00:10:52.118 things, we don't mess around 'cause time is money and I understand that. 00:10:52.748 --> 00:10:54.398 But clarity is priceless. 00:10:55.523 --> 00:10:58.133 Linda Ostovitz: That's a couple of good ways to get people's attention. 00:10:59.483 --> 00:11:03.083 You refer to yourself as a recovering perfectionist. 00:11:03.488 --> 00:11:06.398 And you talk about your own experience that has brought you to 00:11:06.398 --> 00:11:07.838 the place where you are right now. 00:11:07.838 --> 00:11:08.828 What do you mean by that? 00:11:08.948 --> 00:11:10.748 A recovering perfectionist. 00:11:12.113 --> 00:11:14.523 Wendy Elover: Yeah I say recovering and with all due respect to 00:11:14.523 --> 00:11:17.883 people who are actually recovering from real, true life issues. 00:11:18.423 --> 00:11:22.563 But for me, I feel like once you are a perfectionist, you can manage it. 00:11:23.148 --> 00:11:27.558 You can recognize it and you can try to adjust the way that you handle 00:11:27.558 --> 00:11:30.948 situations, but you're always gonna have that in the back of your mind. 00:11:30.948 --> 00:11:32.028 That little voice, right? 00:11:32.028 --> 00:11:35.668 That little voice on your shoulder that's saying, you're not good 00:11:35.668 --> 00:11:37.498 enough, you're not doing it right. 00:11:37.858 --> 00:11:41.068 You've gotta prepare more, you've gotta do this, you've gotta do that. 00:11:41.638 --> 00:11:44.518 All those shoulds and those have tos are all part of that. 00:11:45.358 --> 00:11:46.588 And for me, it was. 00:11:47.128 --> 00:11:51.178 I used to have a lot of ego, and when I say ego, I don't mean ego like, 00:11:51.208 --> 00:11:52.408 oh, I'm the best thing in the world. 00:11:52.438 --> 00:11:57.298 Not that part of ego, but the ego part that says you've got to live 00:11:57.298 --> 00:12:00.418 up to whatever it is that the world thinks you're supposed to be. 00:12:01.198 --> 00:12:04.438 You can't let them see what's really going on inside. 00:12:04.648 --> 00:12:06.808 You've gotta make sure that you are perfect. 00:12:08.623 --> 00:12:13.483 For me, that was a process because my ego was loud and it was in 00:12:13.483 --> 00:12:15.133 charge for a really long time. 00:12:15.593 --> 00:12:19.343 And now that I've gotten through that and it's been years and years that, you 00:12:19.343 --> 00:12:23.483 know, and now I'm helping others to do that, it's an amazing thing because I 00:12:23.483 --> 00:12:27.023 still recognize when it, there's times when it could come into play really 00:12:27.023 --> 00:12:32.773 quickly, but I also realized very quickly I have tools to be able to combat that. 00:12:34.468 --> 00:12:37.018 Linda Ostovitz: It's interesting again, I hear you. 00:12:37.108 --> 00:12:38.968 Oh, I hear you so loud. 00:12:39.508 --> 00:12:44.638 I would imagine most of our listeners do business people, a lot 00:12:44.638 --> 00:12:50.308 of responsibility, high achievers, public perception as you talk about. 00:12:52.018 --> 00:12:57.958 But I guess when you talk about a brain dump, that sounds to me like a luxury. 00:12:57.958 --> 00:13:03.718 To some people who are the high achievers, and you always have to have answers, and 00:13:03.718 --> 00:13:07.678 always have to have your act together because you're the leader and people are 00:13:07.678 --> 00:13:11.818 looking for to you to be that person. 00:13:12.568 --> 00:13:15.238 So to have someplace where you can do a brain dump I think 00:13:15.238 --> 00:13:16.618 it's priceless, actually. 00:13:17.368 --> 00:13:18.448 Really priceless. 00:13:19.483 --> 00:13:21.253 Wendy Elover: I totally agree with you. 00:13:21.253 --> 00:13:24.493 And I think that being a high achiever is amazing, and being 00:13:24.493 --> 00:13:26.533 that go-to person is fantastic. 00:13:27.403 --> 00:13:29.683 Until it becomes a coping strategy, 00:13:30.586 --> 00:13:31.396 Linda Ostovitz: What do you mean by that? 00:13:32.150 --> 00:13:34.370 Wendy Elover: When it's something that you can't shut off. 00:13:34.910 --> 00:13:38.270 When it's like you're on the go and you've, you're doing all the things 00:13:38.270 --> 00:13:41.990 and you're making it all happen, but if you take that minute to breathe. 00:13:43.115 --> 00:13:45.610 You suddenly get that, it's a physical reaction, right? 00:13:45.610 --> 00:13:46.700 It's a no. 00:13:46.760 --> 00:13:47.960 That's not what I'm supposed to do. 00:13:47.990 --> 00:13:49.460 No I shouldn't be sitting on this sofa. 00:13:49.495 --> 00:13:53.125 I shouldn't be doing, I shouldn't take time to, to have dinner with the family. 00:13:53.125 --> 00:13:55.195 I shouldn't take time to watch that TV show. 00:13:55.345 --> 00:14:00.205 I'm supposed to be going, I'm supposed to be doing, and human beings versus human 00:14:00.205 --> 00:14:02.915 doings I think is a very real thing. 00:14:03.085 --> 00:14:06.385 And so one of the other things that I talk a lot about is scheduling joy. 00:14:06.865 --> 00:14:09.145 And that's where the joy and the clarity come together. 00:14:09.910 --> 00:14:13.600 While I love for people to have joy in their life every day, there are 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:18.410 moments of joy that you can have any day, even your worst possible day. 00:14:19.010 --> 00:14:20.090 I call them glimmers. 00:14:20.280 --> 00:14:22.350 I think they were very popular on the internet a while ago. 00:14:22.350 --> 00:14:23.520 Lots of memes about them. 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:27.660 But it's the idea of those little tiny moments of joy that happen 00:14:27.720 --> 00:14:31.110 that if we don't take the time to notice them, they just go away. 00:14:32.010 --> 00:14:35.420 It could be something as simple as my coffee came exactly the right 00:14:35.420 --> 00:14:38.450 temperature when I got it from the, the drive-through window today. 00:14:38.750 --> 00:14:42.740 Or I hit every green light when I was already running late to that meeting. 00:14:43.730 --> 00:14:48.500 But if we take the time to notice it, our brain is a protector, 00:14:49.070 --> 00:14:50.630 but it's also a problem solver. 00:14:51.305 --> 00:14:54.045 And if we give it a problem to solve, it wants to do a good 00:14:54.045 --> 00:14:55.395 job, it wants to solve it. 00:14:55.845 --> 00:14:58.755 So the more that we can show it, those little moments of joy, those, 00:14:58.815 --> 00:15:00.885 oh, Wendy likes her coffee that way. 00:15:01.065 --> 00:15:05.205 Oh, she likes, when such and such happens, then your brain automatically 00:15:05.205 --> 00:15:07.185 starts to find more of those things. 00:15:07.620 --> 00:15:10.410 Then usually my clients notice, they're like, it's so crazy 00:15:10.410 --> 00:15:11.550 since I've been working with you. 00:15:11.940 --> 00:15:14.700 I just had so many, like these weird little moments of joy in 00:15:14.700 --> 00:15:17.970 my life, and the bottom line is I didn't make the joy in their life. 00:15:18.480 --> 00:15:21.210 I just helped them to take the minute to notice it. 00:15:22.233 --> 00:15:27.713 Linda Ostovitz: So that that moment to notice it is a moment of clarity. 00:15:27.713 --> 00:15:28.138 Is that right? 00:15:29.483 --> 00:15:33.113 Wendy Elover: It is, and that's why the joy and clarity, I think, go together. 00:15:33.413 --> 00:15:35.453 The definition is kind of combined, right? 00:15:35.453 --> 00:15:40.853 But the scheduling joy, I feel like when you are clear on your values and 00:15:40.853 --> 00:15:45.233 your priorities, not only does it make all your business decisions easier, 00:15:45.653 --> 00:15:47.783 it makes your life decisions easier. 00:15:48.113 --> 00:15:51.353 When someone asks you to do something, whether it's something in your 00:15:51.593 --> 00:15:55.193 personal life or your professional life, you have a framework. 00:15:55.403 --> 00:15:59.753 You have the tools already set up to know whether your answer is yes or no to that. 00:16:00.503 --> 00:16:03.173 Where before you might have just said yes, because you see a big 00:16:03.173 --> 00:16:05.783 white space on your calendar, so you're like, oh, I can make it. 00:16:06.653 --> 00:16:10.043 But once you have this all in place, these tools in place, you 00:16:10.043 --> 00:16:11.483 stop and you go, you know what? 00:16:11.483 --> 00:16:14.483 I didn't write on my calendar that I actually need that 00:16:14.483 --> 00:16:16.493 time for something else. 00:16:16.583 --> 00:16:21.713 And again, it can be something productive or really an unproductive thing, right? 00:16:21.893 --> 00:16:24.308 Because unproductive things are really productive. 00:16:24.778 --> 00:16:27.593 It's giving you that time, that space to recharge. 00:16:28.613 --> 00:16:33.453 Linda Ostovitz: You also Wendy talked often about gratitude and 00:16:33.453 --> 00:16:38.703 all of these things are obviously related, but talk to us about the 00:16:38.703 --> 00:16:40.863 role of gratitude in all of this. 00:16:42.113 --> 00:16:42.953 Wendy Elover: Absolutely. 00:16:43.673 --> 00:16:46.103 If we were sitting here and you could actually see me, you know that 00:16:46.103 --> 00:16:49.583 above my head on my wall, I have gratitude as a lifestyle, right? 00:16:49.583 --> 00:16:53.243 And that's really something that I put there as a reminder for me. 00:16:53.693 --> 00:16:56.333 And I realized then when I do Zoom meetings, people get to 00:16:56.333 --> 00:16:57.503 see it too, which is great. 00:16:58.423 --> 00:17:05.483 But for me, gratitude is the fastest way to get to the joy and the clarity. 00:17:06.413 --> 00:17:08.063 It's like a secret sauce. 00:17:08.613 --> 00:17:11.553 We can add a little, we can sprinkle in a little bit of it and we can 00:17:11.553 --> 00:17:13.263 get to where we wanna be faster. 00:17:14.133 --> 00:17:17.283 And I know especially with high achievers, they wanna do everything faster, right? 00:17:17.333 --> 00:17:20.093 And for me it, it's funny 'cause people laugh. 00:17:20.093 --> 00:17:22.823 They know I'm all about gratitude and so they go, oh, you must 00:17:22.823 --> 00:17:24.793 have a journal that's, 17. 00:17:25.243 --> 00:17:27.493 Thousand pages long and all of that. 00:17:27.493 --> 00:17:32.243 And there's all kinds of fantastic gratitude processes and practices and 00:17:32.243 --> 00:17:34.493 I encourage whatever one works for you. 00:17:35.073 --> 00:17:40.093 But full disclosure, I started off the traditional, I guess way as people 00:17:40.093 --> 00:17:43.003 say, oh, you should write down three things you're grateful for every 00:17:43.003 --> 00:17:45.703 morning, and that's a fantastic idea. 00:17:45.703 --> 00:17:48.613 Then they said, and at night you should write down, something, you're grateful for 00:17:48.613 --> 00:17:49.993 something that happened during the day. 00:17:50.203 --> 00:17:56.458 Again, fantastic idea, problem for me is again, I was a perfectionist 00:17:56.788 --> 00:18:01.318 and being a perfectionist, if I wound up at the end of the day laying down 00:18:01.558 --> 00:18:04.588 and then realizing that my gratitude journal, which was maybe across the 00:18:04.588 --> 00:18:06.568 room, I hadn't filled it out that day. 00:18:07.168 --> 00:18:08.938 All of a sudden, that was a failure. 00:18:09.718 --> 00:18:14.488 I felt instead of having this like grateful, big heart abundant moment, I was 00:18:14.488 --> 00:18:18.778 having this, oh no, I've gotta drag myself outta bed and finish that another chore. 00:18:19.258 --> 00:18:22.618 So Gratitude Journal became a chore for me and I said, no, this is not 00:18:22.618 --> 00:18:24.028 the way this is supposed to work. 00:18:24.338 --> 00:18:29.138 So I actually took a page out of my friend, she goes by Dr. 00:18:29.138 --> 00:18:29.828 Unstuck. 00:18:30.008 --> 00:18:30.738 Her name is Dr. 00:18:30.738 --> 00:18:31.418 Kimberly Quinn. 00:18:32.018 --> 00:18:35.888 And she had an idea for gratitude that was really simple and I use it with a lot of 00:18:35.888 --> 00:18:37.213 my clients to start with, and it's just. 00:18:37.808 --> 00:18:41.138 We open your eyes in the morning before you do anything, before you 00:18:41.138 --> 00:18:44.948 touch your phone, before your feet hit the ground, say thank you. 00:18:46.058 --> 00:18:51.218 Just a heartfelt thank you because those first few minutes of the day are so 00:18:51.218 --> 00:18:54.848 incredibly precious of how your brain is gonna function for the rest of the day. 00:18:55.478 --> 00:18:57.518 And just by saying those words, thank you. 00:18:57.518 --> 00:19:00.398 Even if you don't even know what you're saying, thank you for, 'cause you just 00:19:00.398 --> 00:19:01.808 woke up and maybe you had a nightmare. 00:19:01.808 --> 00:19:04.268 Maybe you have an awfully busy day that day. 00:19:05.078 --> 00:19:06.818 It switches your brain chemistry. 00:19:07.568 --> 00:19:11.978 It allows you that moment and that time and that space for you to decide 00:19:11.978 --> 00:19:15.728 intentionally how to start your day, no matter how crazy busy it might be. 00:19:16.398 --> 00:19:19.848 Linda Ostovitz: I have to share with you that I had a dream last 00:19:19.848 --> 00:19:26.298 night that I had to figure out how to get coffee for 18 people before 00:19:26.298 --> 00:19:28.173 they left our location to go home. 00:19:29.388 --> 00:19:33.468 And I'm thinking, oh, I gotta find some place where I can buy a box of coffee. 00:19:33.468 --> 00:19:37.458 And then, like dreams are goofy and then what am I gonna do with it? 00:19:37.458 --> 00:19:38.808 And whatever. 00:19:40.068 --> 00:19:44.088 And eventually I realized that these 18 people I needed to buy 00:19:44.088 --> 00:19:45.888 coffee for were already gone. 00:19:46.608 --> 00:19:51.498 The event had finished and my first words were, thank you. 00:19:52.813 --> 00:19:57.523 As you had mentioned to me, to do that, maybe not even as consciously as my 00:19:57.523 --> 00:20:01.753 thank you was, but thank you that I really don't have to get coffee for 00:20:01.753 --> 00:20:07.573 18 people this morning before they leave this gathering that we had. 00:20:07.573 --> 00:20:09.553 And of course, like I said, they were already gone. 00:20:09.603 --> 00:20:10.383 But it works. 00:20:10.383 --> 00:20:15.493 It was like almost a relief, to realize, oh, I don't have to do that. 00:20:15.763 --> 00:20:16.423 Thank you. 00:20:17.498 --> 00:20:18.163 Wendy Elover: I love that. 00:20:18.853 --> 00:20:21.643 Linda Ostovitz: Obviously that can apply to any situation. 00:20:21.643 --> 00:20:22.363 Like you say, 00:20:23.011 --> 00:20:23.731 Wendy Elover: Absolutely 00:20:23.746 --> 00:20:24.336 Linda Ostovitz: You know what? 00:20:24.516 --> 00:20:27.406 I forgot that all that happened until just this moment, Wendy, 00:20:27.646 --> 00:20:29.116 so thank you for that reminder. 00:20:29.791 --> 00:20:31.041 Wendy Elover: no I love that. 00:20:31.091 --> 00:20:34.851 And it is, sometimes people have a to-do list and they're very 00:20:35.256 --> 00:20:36.816 faithful to their to-do list. 00:20:36.876 --> 00:20:40.226 And I was definitely very faithful to my to-do list. 00:20:40.536 --> 00:20:44.256 And it filled my brain even when I might've had a moment to stop. 00:20:44.466 --> 00:20:46.896 There was always something on the to-do list to do. 00:20:47.366 --> 00:20:51.320 One of the things I do with some of my clients is a to don't list, and it's 00:20:51.320 --> 00:20:53.540 the things I'm not going to do anymore. 00:20:53.750 --> 00:20:57.230 The things I'm not gonna allow to take me off the rails. 00:20:57.695 --> 00:21:01.805 That I'm not going to allow people to do certain things to me, and I'm not 00:21:01.810 --> 00:21:04.265 gonna allow myself to accept anymore. 00:21:05.098 --> 00:21:09.518 So the to don't list the thank you, they're little things, but they're little 00:21:09.518 --> 00:21:13.088 things that if you start to practice them every day, again, it doesn't guarantee 00:21:13.088 --> 00:21:14.918 you happiness every moment of every day. 00:21:15.158 --> 00:21:16.088 I get that all the time. 00:21:16.088 --> 00:21:19.208 People say Wendy, if I could be smiling and happy like you all the 00:21:19.208 --> 00:21:22.298 time, my life was like, rainbows and butterflies would be fine. 00:21:22.748 --> 00:21:23.378 Trust me. 00:21:23.638 --> 00:21:27.868 My life is not rainbows and butterflies every minute, but again, it's having 00:21:27.868 --> 00:21:32.353 the tools so that when you get into those dark places, you know that it's 00:21:32.353 --> 00:21:36.898 temporary and you know how to get out of it, and I think that's what's huge. 00:21:38.548 --> 00:21:41.548 Linda Ostovitz: So a to-don't list. 00:21:41.668 --> 00:21:43.408 That's an interesting concept. 00:21:43.458 --> 00:21:47.988 So that just reminds me of something else that I have shared with a couple 00:21:47.988 --> 00:21:51.078 of people that you and I have talked about previously, and that is New 00:21:51.078 --> 00:21:57.758 Year's resolutions and A don't make a New Year's resolution but instead 00:21:57.758 --> 00:22:03.035 do the one single word guide, or I forget exactly how you put it, but 00:22:03.035 --> 00:22:07.355 I found that very interesting and I think my listeners would be interested. 00:22:07.925 --> 00:22:09.245 Share your thoughts on that, would you? 00:22:09.995 --> 00:22:10.505 Wendy Elover: Sure. 00:22:10.955 --> 00:22:11.195 Yeah. 00:22:11.195 --> 00:22:14.685 So yeah, what you're talking about, I call it the anti New Year's resolution. 00:22:15.720 --> 00:22:18.620 Basically, a lot of us make New Year's resolutions and then if 00:22:18.620 --> 00:22:21.320 you talk to somebody, I think it's actually the third week in 00:22:21.320 --> 00:22:23.060 January, they call it quitters week. 00:22:23.595 --> 00:22:26.865 When most of the New Year's resolutions get put to the side, and then people 00:22:26.865 --> 00:22:31.455 move on with the way that they've been for the past 15, 20, 30, 40 years. 00:22:31.965 --> 00:22:34.725 And the idea with the one word, it's not my idea. 00:22:35.005 --> 00:22:37.765 There's lots of people who have been doing this for a long time. 00:22:37.805 --> 00:22:41.495 I actually learned it from a friend of mine who is a pastor who 00:22:41.495 --> 00:22:45.055 helped to write a book called The One Word That Changes Everything. 00:22:45.805 --> 00:22:48.605 And his book is very much has a religious base. 00:22:49.145 --> 00:22:53.925 Mine is not so much focused on religion but the idea is that you're 00:22:53.925 --> 00:22:57.645 gonna find one word that's gonna help to guide you throughout your year. 00:22:58.425 --> 00:23:02.115 So in his book, he talks about looking outward, looking inward, 00:23:02.145 --> 00:23:03.915 and looking up to find your word. 00:23:04.755 --> 00:23:08.740 And I think for anybody, when people first hear it, they go, oh, one word. 00:23:08.740 --> 00:23:10.510 That's simple I just gotta find one word. 00:23:11.170 --> 00:23:14.620 But then when you take a minute to realize, you've gotta find one word 00:23:14.650 --> 00:23:16.240 that's gonna be your guiding light. 00:23:16.600 --> 00:23:18.460 It's gonna be who you wanna be. 00:23:19.030 --> 00:23:22.510 How you wanna show up in the world, what you wanna achieve, how 00:23:22.510 --> 00:23:24.520 you wanna feel during your days. 00:23:24.820 --> 00:23:27.550 'cause I'm a huge believer in scheduling the way that you want to 00:23:27.550 --> 00:23:29.980 feel more than just what you wanna do. 00:23:30.280 --> 00:23:33.910 The doing always comes, there's always more to do, but those 00:23:33.910 --> 00:23:35.650 feelings can really be helpful. 00:23:35.930 --> 00:23:38.965 So for me and my family, we actually usually do it at Thanksgiving 00:23:38.995 --> 00:23:41.395 just 'cause it's the only time I know that everybody will be there 00:23:41.395 --> 00:23:42.895 and it won't be any extra people. 00:23:42.895 --> 00:23:45.085 It'll just be my little group, my little crew. 00:23:45.900 --> 00:23:48.010 We actually paint our one words on canvas. 00:23:48.290 --> 00:23:51.020 We hang 'em in my living room and they're gaudy and they're 00:23:51.020 --> 00:23:53.900 silly colored, and they're my favorite part of my living room. 00:23:54.500 --> 00:23:57.410 And, we take down the ones from the year before and we talk about how 00:23:57.410 --> 00:23:59.090 that word maybe showed up in our life. 00:23:59.120 --> 00:24:02.660 And a lot of times it may not be the way that we thought it was gonna show 00:24:02.660 --> 00:24:04.335 up or why we originally picked it. 00:24:04.665 --> 00:24:07.455 But almost always we can look back and realize, wow, this is 00:24:07.455 --> 00:24:10.435 how that word influenced me or took on a different meaning. 00:24:10.855 --> 00:24:14.215 And then of course we put up our new words and we talk about why we picked that word. 00:24:14.830 --> 00:24:19.760 We first started doing it, it used to take weeks for my kids and I'd have discussions 00:24:19.760 --> 00:24:22.520 and my husband and we would talk about what our words were gonna be, and we'd 00:24:22.520 --> 00:24:26.280 look through lists and we'd use the thesaurus kind of thing to think of words. 00:24:26.700 --> 00:24:30.420 And now I feel like, you know, when November comes, at least one of 00:24:30.420 --> 00:24:33.150 my kids in our group chat will be like, Hey everybody, don't forget to 00:24:33.150 --> 00:24:34.560 start thinking about your one word. 00:24:34.920 --> 00:24:39.365 And usually within very quick amount of time, they'll start throwing out words 00:24:39.365 --> 00:24:42.635 or going, I think my word is this, but I was also thinking of that, and it 00:24:42.635 --> 00:24:47.995 really sparked some cool conversations and it's just a way to get focused. 00:24:48.205 --> 00:24:51.715 Again, I'm all about living intentionally, so it's just one more 00:24:51.715 --> 00:24:55.285 way to intentionally make a decision of how you're gonna show up in the world 00:24:56.261 --> 00:24:58.811 Linda Ostovitz: I will tell you this has provoked a fair 00:24:58.811 --> 00:25:00.551 amount of thought on my part. 00:25:00.551 --> 00:25:02.111 I haven't come up with the word yet. 00:25:02.161 --> 00:25:05.521 But I love the idea to do that rather than, like you say, a 00:25:05.521 --> 00:25:08.266 resolution which, they don't last. 00:25:08.266 --> 00:25:12.286 I do believe it is the third week in January, but something that's a 00:25:12.286 --> 00:25:16.816 word that is much more universal, or maybe that's the right word. 00:25:16.816 --> 00:25:17.236 I don't know. 00:25:17.836 --> 00:25:22.966 Getting there, using it, being affected by, it can take so many forms, but I can 00:25:22.966 --> 00:25:28.876 see how one word can be more significant in your life than the list of resolutions. 00:25:29.686 --> 00:25:35.736 So thank you For sharing that Wendy, I know you're a, an author even though you 00:25:35.736 --> 00:25:43.706 didn't wanna be an author and I actually looked up, I think it was 2015 or 16 00:25:44.576 --> 00:25:50.006 'cause I bought your first book and I was actually looking back for when that was. 00:25:50.006 --> 00:25:53.826 So what was your first book and what was the motivation for you writing that? 00:25:55.271 --> 00:25:57.731 Wendy Elover: Yeah, so the name of the book is My Cape Is At The 00:25:57.731 --> 00:26:00.221 Cleaners, Choosing Happy Over Perfect. 00:26:00.431 --> 00:26:01.331 And thank you so much. 00:26:01.331 --> 00:26:04.661 You're one of my big first supporters, so I totally appreciate 00:26:04.661 --> 00:26:06.541 that and you are very correct. 00:26:06.541 --> 00:26:10.671 I had never intended to be an author, never intended to write a book didn't 00:26:10.671 --> 00:26:14.751 really think I had anything to share or to say that wasn't already common knowledge. 00:26:15.561 --> 00:26:17.511 But the universe thought differently, I think. 00:26:18.111 --> 00:26:23.211 And so that book came out and that one was really just my story, my journey of 00:26:23.871 --> 00:26:29.271 realizing that I possibly had lost my ability to dream and it snuck up on me. 00:26:29.541 --> 00:26:35.301 And then figuring out how do you go from there to being able to find so 00:26:35.301 --> 00:26:39.741 many dreams and figure out how to set goals again and figure out how to 00:26:39.741 --> 00:26:43.341 move in the world in a different way, which was something brand new for me. 00:26:44.226 --> 00:26:48.186 I'm actually excited 'cause I am working on the finishing touches of a new book 00:26:48.846 --> 00:26:51.166 and this one is called Too Many Tabs Open. 00:26:51.736 --> 00:26:55.626 So again, it's it's the idea of trying to find what's really important 00:26:55.626 --> 00:26:57.156 when everything sounds so loud. 00:26:58.576 --> 00:27:04.066 Linda Ostovitz: You, making reference to too many tabs open, and it feels to me 00:27:04.066 --> 00:27:10.506 like that's that clarity piece and that space piece and focusing on, let's see, 00:27:10.506 --> 00:27:14.356 really acknowledging what's heavy and pulling out what the real question is. 00:27:16.756 --> 00:27:20.436 And your first book was focused on your experience. 00:27:20.436 --> 00:27:24.126 What does Too Many Tabs Open focus on? 00:27:25.116 --> 00:27:25.356 Wendy Elover: Yep. 00:27:25.386 --> 00:27:26.676 And I think that's exactly it. 00:27:26.736 --> 00:27:31.386 That first book was my experience and a whole bunch of quotes from other people 00:27:31.386 --> 00:27:33.366 that I thought were helpful and uplifting. 00:27:33.366 --> 00:27:37.216 And my hope was just that if somebody found one little nugget right? 00:27:37.216 --> 00:27:38.116 That's always my hope. 00:27:38.116 --> 00:27:41.266 Anything that I write, anything that I share when I do a presentation, 00:27:41.476 --> 00:27:44.056 just if they get one little nugget that changes something in their 00:27:44.056 --> 00:27:46.696 world, then to me it's all worth it. 00:27:47.416 --> 00:27:50.836 This one is definitely more focused on the person reading it. 00:27:51.326 --> 00:27:54.446 Of course you're gonna hear me in it because I can't write anything 00:27:54.446 --> 00:27:58.586 without having a little bit of me thrown in there and some of my stories. 00:27:59.096 --> 00:28:03.551 But it's really about how do we go through that process of getting clear. 00:28:04.791 --> 00:28:07.461 Feeling that peace and that calm and that ease. 00:28:07.881 --> 00:28:11.481 I think, ease was actually one of my words a year or two ago, and 00:28:11.841 --> 00:28:13.161 I've definitely held onto that one. 00:28:13.461 --> 00:28:14.631 I think it's just a great word. 00:28:14.631 --> 00:28:18.435 It doesn't mean that life is easy, but there's an ease, there's a 00:28:18.435 --> 00:28:23.415 flow, and I think when you find that it's really, it's a giant exhale. 00:28:23.565 --> 00:28:25.125 The only way that I can describe it. 00:28:25.905 --> 00:28:27.195 Linda Ostovitz: That sounds like a great word. 00:28:28.065 --> 00:28:33.495 So we've talked about clarity, gratitude, joy, kind of doing this work. 00:28:34.365 --> 00:28:36.255 And you talked about having tools. 00:28:37.860 --> 00:28:42.540 So you have, I think it's a 12 week program that you run. 00:28:42.540 --> 00:28:49.560 Is that right to sort of help people navigate this process to end up with 00:28:49.560 --> 00:28:53.420 tools that enable them to manage these situations going forward? 00:28:53.420 --> 00:28:53.750 Is that right? 00:28:54.935 --> 00:28:55.565 Wendy Elover: That's correct. 00:28:55.565 --> 00:28:59.765 And actually I like to look at it as a 90 day program because as a high 00:28:59.765 --> 00:29:02.195 achiever, I feel like 90 days is doable. 00:29:02.225 --> 00:29:04.805 12 weeks sounds like a really long stretch. 00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:05.300 Linda Ostovitz: sure does. 00:29:06.230 --> 00:29:09.780 Wendy Elover: And I know they're the same, for me it's 90 days, and it's really an 00:29:09.780 --> 00:29:13.830 opportunity for all the things that we're talking about, for people to have the time 00:29:13.830 --> 00:29:17.700 and the space to do it, but to do it in a way that fits in with their busy life. 00:29:18.390 --> 00:29:20.940 To fit in so that they can start to try these. 00:29:20.940 --> 00:29:23.550 Because this isn't something where you go to a masterclass and then 00:29:23.550 --> 00:29:25.080 you're done and you're good to go. 00:29:25.560 --> 00:29:28.500 It's something that you need to learn and to practice and to figure out 00:29:28.500 --> 00:29:30.900 how it fits in your particular life. 00:29:30.930 --> 00:29:32.070 And that's what I'm all about. 00:29:32.320 --> 00:29:34.090 It's not a cookie cutter kind of approach. 00:29:34.270 --> 00:29:35.890 It's very individualized. 00:29:36.320 --> 00:29:41.620 And that really is, a way for people to come out the other side to be able to say, 00:29:41.620 --> 00:29:44.440 I'm recovering clarity addict, perhaps. 00:29:44.450 --> 00:29:47.900 For anybody who's listening who kind of has felt themselves nodding along and 00:29:48.120 --> 00:29:52.290 feeling that understood our conversation, I also have something that's a lot simpler 00:29:52.290 --> 00:29:57.030 that I would love to be able to offer to your listeners, if that's okay to do. 00:29:58.980 --> 00:29:59.190 Yeah. 00:29:59.470 --> 00:30:01.570 I actually just have a 10 minute clarity reset. 00:30:02.665 --> 00:30:05.215 I think that's a really easy way for people to start. 00:30:05.215 --> 00:30:07.795 'cause I feel like sometimes when people listen to conversations like 00:30:07.795 --> 00:30:10.975 the one you and I are having right now, then they go, that's really great 00:30:11.025 --> 00:30:13.005 but how do I actually do something? 00:30:13.015 --> 00:30:15.535 I don't have a brain dumper person right now. 00:30:15.535 --> 00:30:18.265 I don't know what I should be doing in this exact moment. 00:30:18.315 --> 00:30:20.235 Of course, yes, please get in touch with me. 00:30:20.235 --> 00:30:22.005 I'd love to talk to you, but. 00:30:22.545 --> 00:30:26.385 I think that an easy way to start is just this really simple it's just a couple 00:30:26.385 --> 00:30:28.905 pages long 10 minute clarity reset. 00:30:29.205 --> 00:30:30.555 It's not therapy. 00:30:30.705 --> 00:30:32.355 It's not about fixing anything. 00:30:32.745 --> 00:30:36.820 It's just a way to very quickly quiet the noise and to get grounded again. 00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:42.070 Linda Ostovitz: If any of my listeners have an interest, please reach out to me. 00:30:42.070 --> 00:30:46.750 I will make sure that Wendy gets your information and you hers, 00:30:46.840 --> 00:30:51.010 and get a 10 minute clarity reset. 00:30:51.640 --> 00:30:55.720 Seriously to think that you can get a clarity reset in 10 minutes, and I 00:30:55.720 --> 00:30:59.950 know that's not the be all, end all, I understand that, but you know what? 00:30:59.950 --> 00:31:04.360 At least these overachievers, high achievers will stop for 10 00:31:04.450 --> 00:31:09.110 minutes to focus on something that, what can make their life better. 00:31:10.250 --> 00:31:14.390 So Wendy, I have to say that in all the years I've known you, I've always 00:31:14.390 --> 00:31:22.040 seen you as somebody who is upbeat and positive and giving and all of that. 00:31:22.940 --> 00:31:27.470 I had no idea that there were certifications for this type of 00:31:27.470 --> 00:31:33.100 thing and the depth and let's call it science that's involved in all of this. 00:31:33.770 --> 00:31:38.380 And I am very pleased to be able to offer to my listeners something again 00:31:38.560 --> 00:31:40.480 that we don't talk about all that much. 00:31:41.050 --> 00:31:46.240 And that is in addition to the performance and the metrics and the measurements and 00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:52.690 the deadlines, there's such a whole nother part to who we are, or there should be 00:31:52.690 --> 00:31:55.150 anyway, a whole nother part to who we are. 00:31:56.680 --> 00:32:01.240 That isn't something that's metrics driven or deadline driven. 00:32:01.240 --> 00:32:05.920 It's how you live your life every day and you feel better and you probably make 00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:07.810 everybody around you feel better as well. 00:32:07.860 --> 00:32:12.630 Wendy, thank you so much for sharing your experience and your wisdom. 00:32:12.900 --> 00:32:15.300 When should we expect your new book to come out? 00:32:16.560 --> 00:32:19.470 Wendy Elover: Yeah, so right now it's in the editing process 00:32:19.560 --> 00:32:22.560 and my biggest challenge right now is I'm working on a cover. 00:32:23.040 --> 00:32:26.010 So I've actually been in my family chat all day, throwing out some 00:32:26.010 --> 00:32:29.460 options with colors, and my girls have been giving me some feedback. 00:32:29.460 --> 00:32:33.620 So I'm hoping it's gonna be very soon that it will be available. 00:32:33.750 --> 00:32:37.050 If anybody does wanna find out more about the book or they wanna find out 00:32:37.050 --> 00:32:40.890 about the Clarity reset or all that, the easiest way is my website, which 00:32:40.890 --> 00:32:44.810 is literally my name, wendyelover.com. 00:32:45.250 --> 00:32:48.520 And at the very bottom is little black button for the clarity reset. 00:32:48.520 --> 00:32:51.520 So just to keep it nice and easy, I always like for people to be able to, 00:32:51.860 --> 00:32:53.660 to get what they need when they need it. 00:32:54.665 --> 00:32:54.965 Linda Ostovitz: Good. 00:32:55.025 --> 00:32:56.075 I'm glad you said that. 00:32:56.075 --> 00:32:59.870 And also, I'm sure on your website you will announce when the book 00:32:59.870 --> 00:33:02.840 comes out, I know the last one was available through Amazon. 00:33:02.840 --> 00:33:04.760 Will that be the case this time as well? 00:33:05.795 --> 00:33:06.605 Wendy Elover: I believe so. 00:33:06.705 --> 00:33:07.635 To be determined. 00:33:07.695 --> 00:33:09.945 We're working on that, working on all of that right now. 00:33:09.995 --> 00:33:10.385 Linda Ostovitz: Okay. 00:33:10.385 --> 00:33:10.985 Very good. 00:33:11.538 --> 00:33:13.938 Well, Wendy, thank you again for being with us. 00:33:14.238 --> 00:33:17.868 I, again, I think this is a great conversation that very few people who 00:33:17.868 --> 00:33:21.138 are high achievers and busy people have, and they need to have it. 00:33:21.188 --> 00:33:22.628 Thank you for being here. 00:33:22.628 --> 00:33:23.288 Appreciate it. 00:33:23.288 --> 00:33:26.198 Look forward to seeing you again in person again real soon. 00:33:26.843 --> 00:33:27.473 Wendy Elover: Absolutely. 00:33:27.473 --> 00:33:28.283 Thank you so much. 00:33:28.283 --> 00:33:28.943 Appreciate you. 00:33:28.993 --> 00:33:29.683 Linda Ostovitz: You too.