1 00:00:00,124 --> 00:00:01,754 Brendan: Ooh, it's game time. 2 00:00:02,044 --> 00:00:02,784 Mark: Oh my god. 3 00:00:02,784 --> 00:00:06,514 I mean, are we gonna pretend that we're, you know, that we've got 4 00:00:06,514 --> 00:00:08,554 things to say, or are we just gonna go straight into the songs? 5 00:00:08,724 --> 00:00:10,384 Brendan: I actually do have things to say. 6 00:00:14,149 --> 00:00:15,539 Mark: I have things to say. 7 00:00:15,849 --> 00:00:16,339 Brendan: the gym? 8 00:00:16,715 --> 00:00:20,515 Mark: four days out of five last week, and the day I didn't gym, I canaled. 9 00:00:20,897 --> 00:00:21,547 this week 10 00:00:21,562 --> 00:00:22,892 Brendan: Is that like a walk on the canal? 11 00:00:22,892 --> 00:00:23,962 Or what's your Okay. 12 00:00:24,267 --> 00:00:24,797 Mark: yeah, it was. 13 00:00:25,017 --> 00:00:28,877 and, uh, that's because my lift to the gym wasn't happening last week. 14 00:00:28,887 --> 00:00:31,337 And then my lift to the gym wasn't happening two days out this week. 15 00:00:31,337 --> 00:00:36,147 So I, I, uh, did the same and this morning I didn't, or last 16 00:00:36,147 --> 00:00:37,437 night I did not get much sleep. 17 00:00:37,457 --> 00:00:39,447 So I didn't think I'd have that much in me. 18 00:00:39,477 --> 00:00:43,707 So I went for a 30 minute cycle and a 15 minute cross trainer or elliptical, 19 00:00:44,127 --> 00:00:46,007 which is usually opposite of what I do. 20 00:00:46,147 --> 00:00:47,337 And I was like, you know what? 21 00:00:47,777 --> 00:00:50,067 I didn't think I had whatever it is. 22 00:00:50,627 --> 00:00:52,167 I had some of it and I brought it. 23 00:00:52,902 --> 00:00:53,442 Brendan: Nice. 24 00:00:53,457 --> 00:00:55,367 Mark: quite happy with that I did I didn't know that I had that 25 00:00:55,367 --> 00:00:56,717 much to bring and then I brung it. 26 00:00:57,432 --> 00:00:57,842 Brendan: You brought 27 00:00:57,937 --> 00:01:01,497 Mark: pretty pretty pretty pleased with that so yeah, thank you. 28 00:01:01,942 --> 00:01:03,216 Brendan: I'm glad to hear it. 29 00:01:03,216 --> 00:01:08,463 Uh, I am curious to talk at some point about robots making podcasts. 30 00:01:09,438 --> 00:01:11,408 Mark: Yeah Yeah. 31 00:01:11,448 --> 00:01:11,668 Yeah. 32 00:01:11,668 --> 00:01:11,828 Yeah. 33 00:01:11,828 --> 00:01:12,188 Yeah 34 00:01:12,223 --> 00:01:14,773 Brendan: of, uh, of the, the doom of our industry. 35 00:01:15,123 --> 00:01:15,603 Mark: Yes. 36 00:01:15,613 --> 00:01:21,313 So, uh, last week, Brendan and I had, or this week or whenever it was, we had, 37 00:01:21,443 --> 00:01:21,753 Brendan: who knows? 38 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:22,730 Time is 39 00:01:22,769 --> 00:01:25,197 Mark: a circle, we, we, we did, 40 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,209 we did, uh, we had some WhatsApp voice note conversations. 41 00:01:30,589 --> 00:01:32,449 Um, I I've noticed the final, I like this. 42 00:01:32,449 --> 00:01:34,549 This is very, this is extremely nine. 43 00:01:35,249 --> 00:01:38,039 but I like the fact that whatever medium I. 44 00:01:38,389 --> 00:01:41,169 Initiate a message and you always reply in the same medium. 45 00:01:41,679 --> 00:01:42,469 Brendan: Oh yeah, 46 00:01:42,789 --> 00:01:43,179 Mark: Yeah. 47 00:01:43,249 --> 00:01:45,969 You like, if I do a voice note, you always do a voice note back. 48 00:01:48,389 --> 00:01:49,759 Brendan: that, that, that is true. 49 00:01:49,819 --> 00:01:53,399 I, uh, yeah, I default to text. 50 00:01:53,614 --> 00:01:57,364 whenever I initiate, but yeah, if somebody sends out something, I 51 00:01:57,364 --> 00:02:00,874 will mimic that style because I'm like, Oh, they want it this way. 52 00:02:00,914 --> 00:02:01,604 That's great. 53 00:02:02,392 --> 00:02:04,982 Mark: They want it that way. 54 00:02:05,262 --> 00:02:05,652 Yeah. 55 00:02:05,702 --> 00:02:07,802 but yes, we had a conversation about robots making podcasts. 56 00:02:08,452 --> 00:02:12,042 and when I went out for my walk yesterday, I loaded my phone 57 00:02:12,042 --> 00:02:13,772 up with one I made myself. 58 00:02:14,462 --> 00:02:17,102 I threw it the Molly whiskers book and I 59 00:02:17,112 --> 00:02:17,482 said. 60 00:02:17,962 --> 00:02:18,882 Well, I didn't say anything. 61 00:02:18,882 --> 00:02:22,252 I just threw it in the book and then hit the button to make a thing out of it. 62 00:02:22,282 --> 00:02:29,750 And, Yeah, it's interesting the bits that it gets wrong the bits that it 63 00:02:30,985 --> 00:02:31,625 Brendan: elaborate. 64 00:02:31,695 --> 00:02:33,575 That's not just text to speech then. 65 00:02:33,575 --> 00:02:34,765 Then it's actually. 66 00:02:35,110 --> 00:02:36,270 Making more or 67 00:02:36,330 --> 00:02:37,200 Mark: a full summary. 68 00:02:37,427 --> 00:02:41,217 it is a level of over and above the likes of chat GPT. 69 00:02:41,217 --> 00:02:43,827 So I could throw my book into chat GPT, which I actually have. 70 00:02:44,297 --> 00:02:47,437 and I could tell it to give me a summary and plot summary and all that kind 71 00:02:47,437 --> 00:02:48,707 of stuff, and it would do a fine job. 72 00:02:48,707 --> 00:02:55,327 What this notebook LM thing does is it then turns that 73 00:02:55,367 --> 00:02:57,637 into a two handed discussion, 74 00:02:58,297 --> 00:03:01,037 Brendan: right Right like 75 00:03:01,037 --> 00:03:01,537 this 76 00:03:01,637 --> 00:03:04,647 Mark: with lots of cliches, 77 00:03:05,157 --> 00:03:05,747 Brendan: Oh like this 78 00:03:06,967 --> 00:03:14,707 Mark: Yeah, yeah, like lots of kind of crappy, metaphors 79 00:03:15,237 --> 00:03:16,847 to help you understand things. 80 00:03:16,867 --> 00:03:17,797 Oh, it's like this. 81 00:03:17,817 --> 00:03:19,987 And it's like, no, we didn't really need the metaphor. 82 00:03:19,987 --> 00:03:20,967 We understood what the thing is. 83 00:03:21,594 --> 00:03:23,054 and it's, so it's, it's, it's form. 84 00:03:23,304 --> 00:03:27,534 Once you've heard a few, you start to see how formulate they are. 85 00:03:28,434 --> 00:03:31,339 and because I knew the, Content intimately. 86 00:03:31,339 --> 00:03:36,019 Well, I was able to sort of pick apart and go that character didn't 87 00:03:36,019 --> 00:03:41,099 do that That happened, but it didn't happen with that character 88 00:03:41,099 --> 00:03:42,669 initiating that, as you said, it did 89 00:03:42,674 --> 00:03:42,864 Brendan: Yeah. 90 00:03:42,864 --> 00:03:42,994 Yeah. 91 00:03:42,994 --> 00:03:43,144 Yeah, 92 00:03:43,209 --> 00:03:43,529 Mark: and the other, 93 00:03:44,004 --> 00:03:45,644 Brendan: which is very AI to do 94 00:03:46,309 --> 00:03:49,929 Mark: well, I, yeah, I find that odd considering it's very easy to, it 95 00:03:50,479 --> 00:03:55,119 must just be in, however, the systems, you know, quote, unquote, understand. 96 00:03:55,618 --> 00:03:59,588 but like it got the gist and it got like what it did better. 97 00:03:59,973 --> 00:04:05,873 Is understand the emotional kind of beats than it did the actual facts, 98 00:04:05,893 --> 00:04:09,433 which, you know, maybe concerning to some considering notebook LM 99 00:04:09,553 --> 00:04:10,993 is meant to be a research tool. 100 00:04:12,516 --> 00:04:16,186 so there is that, and the fact that it, it mushes facts, but it kind 101 00:04:16,186 --> 00:04:19,206 of gets the sentiment, like you've got the sentiment of the book. 102 00:04:19,671 --> 00:04:20,061 Brendan: Yeah. 103 00:04:20,359 --> 00:04:24,609 Mark: But then, like, I don't know, it's not good enough yet if you 104 00:04:24,689 --> 00:04:28,719 actually, like, like I said, if you actually know the subject matter, you 105 00:04:28,719 --> 00:04:30,189 can tell, like, it's not that great. 106 00:04:30,409 --> 00:04:33,808 And a few of them I've, I've listened to and I've gone, you're kind of 107 00:04:33,818 --> 00:04:38,128 talking around this topic, but I don't, you haven't actually told 108 00:04:38,168 --> 00:04:43,738 me adequately what the thing is that you're then going to riff on. 109 00:04:43,758 --> 00:04:44,798 So they kind of do this riff. 110 00:04:45,848 --> 00:04:46,228 Brendan: Okay. 111 00:04:46,378 --> 00:04:49,968 Mark: a topic or like on an article or whatever and it'll be, you know, 112 00:04:49,978 --> 00:04:54,548 welcome to another deep dive today We are talking about this article that we got 113 00:04:54,548 --> 00:05:00,588 sent and then And then they don't always like actually give you enough context. 114 00:05:00,608 --> 00:05:04,599 They sort of just start riffing and it's like but yeah, it's 115 00:05:04,599 --> 00:05:06,119 interesting and it's only gonna 116 00:05:06,119 --> 00:05:06,269 get 117 00:05:06,469 --> 00:05:09,809 Brendan: like, it sounds like when, uh, Hollywood makes a movie about something 118 00:05:09,809 --> 00:05:13,559 that you know, you know a little bit about, and it's like, oh my God, sure, 119 00:05:13,559 --> 00:05:15,629 they got the kind of basics, right? 120 00:05:15,649 --> 00:05:19,059 But the details are way mushy and weird. 121 00:05:19,764 --> 00:05:20,114 Mark: Yeah. 122 00:05:20,384 --> 00:05:24,964 yeah, they've, they've mangled two characters together and made them one 123 00:05:24,964 --> 00:05:26,854 person and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 124 00:05:27,185 --> 00:05:29,465 Brendan: and then they say, oh, it, it could, that's the only way 125 00:05:29,465 --> 00:05:30,635 it could be done on the screen 126 00:05:31,105 --> 00:05:32,335 Mark: yeah, yeah, 127 00:05:32,365 --> 00:05:33,325 Brendan: in podcast form. 128 00:05:33,926 --> 00:05:37,326 Mark: I was wondering about this, like, how, how many years are we out 129 00:05:37,346 --> 00:05:41,856 from a Lord of the Rings full series? 130 00:05:42,846 --> 00:05:49,236 Because there's the, the Amazon one, which is, you know, they're using 131 00:05:49,236 --> 00:05:51,996 whatever they can, um, I guess. 132 00:05:52,466 --> 00:05:56,106 I don't know this, but my guess is they're trying to make it look as 133 00:05:56,106 --> 00:06:02,006 much like the New Line films, but I'm, um, I'm guessing they don't have 134 00:06:03,026 --> 00:06:07,076 The rights, otherwise they would be telling that kind of, I don't know. 135 00:06:07,336 --> 00:06:07,606 Brendan: Yeah. 136 00:06:07,606 --> 00:06:11,026 They don't, they only have the rights to the Ilian. 137 00:06:11,376 --> 00:06:12,966 Mark: yeah, Silmarillion. 138 00:06:13,366 --> 00:06:13,786 Brendan: Yeah. 139 00:06:13,972 --> 00:06:19,452 Mark: but they've tried to make it look as much like the films as possible, 140 00:06:19,702 --> 00:06:23,072 except for the bits that are like, Oh, that's laughable green screen. 141 00:06:23,322 --> 00:06:23,982 Brendan: Oh, no. 142 00:06:24,642 --> 00:06:26,872 Mark: Oh, there's a couple of bits where you're like, Oh no. 143 00:06:27,662 --> 00:06:28,412 Oh, that's oh 144 00:06:30,082 --> 00:06:35,160 Brendan: Yeah, it's kind of funny, like, I have a few friends that are super 145 00:06:35,170 --> 00:06:39,562 into the books and even the movies, I've never heard anybody, like, love the show. 146 00:06:40,442 --> 00:06:40,782 Rings of 147 00:06:40,782 --> 00:06:41,172 power. 148 00:06:41,352 --> 00:06:41,932 Mark: it's all right. 149 00:06:42,762 --> 00:06:43,182 Brendan: Yeah. 150 00:06:43,972 --> 00:06:46,452 I mean, I guess that's, that's Hollywood for you. 151 00:06:46,866 --> 00:06:50,476 Mark: I haven't seen the new series because I no longer have amazon prime. 152 00:06:50,846 --> 00:06:54,456 but i'm sure it's fine I'm sure it's i'm sure it's you know, eminently watchable. 153 00:06:54,456 --> 00:06:54,926 But yeah, 154 00:06:55,186 --> 00:06:55,626 Brendan: yeah. 155 00:06:55,676 --> 00:06:55,986 Yeah. 156 00:06:56,356 --> 00:06:58,096 More, more TV for your eyeballs. 157 00:06:58,516 --> 00:06:59,776 Mark: yeah, there's plenty of it. 158 00:07:00,406 --> 00:07:01,996 There's there's enough there's enough 159 00:07:02,908 --> 00:07:08,143 Brendan: I had a slight, follow up, I guess, for the, 160 00:07:08,233 --> 00:07:10,266 for my, my free will rants. 161 00:07:11,296 --> 00:07:12,096 Mark: Excellent. 162 00:07:12,426 --> 00:07:17,576 Brendan: one thing I kind of feel like I haven't really said, but 163 00:07:17,576 --> 00:07:21,644 it's the distinction that I feel like would, help people understand 164 00:07:21,754 --> 00:07:22,934 my perspective on free will. 165 00:07:24,004 --> 00:07:28,984 Is that the no free will kind of only applies to your past decisions. 166 00:07:29,613 --> 00:07:32,853 not, not only, I mean, like, sure, on one hand it's like, yeah, they're set 167 00:07:32,853 --> 00:07:34,033 in stone, they happened in the past. 168 00:07:34,824 --> 00:07:39,122 you used your will, you, you, you went through life and 169 00:07:39,337 --> 00:07:39,557 Mark: You 170 00:07:39,557 --> 00:07:40,337 chose, you 171 00:07:40,402 --> 00:07:43,072 Brendan: Yeah, you chose, you chose your thing and, but then, yeah, you 172 00:07:43,072 --> 00:07:44,292 were always going to choose that thing. 173 00:07:44,292 --> 00:07:48,817 And so, the thing in the past, you, you can still learn things 174 00:07:48,847 --> 00:07:50,427 and change things for the future. 175 00:07:50,427 --> 00:07:50,867 Change. 176 00:07:51,327 --> 00:07:54,824 You can, you can, gain more knowledge, gain more perspective, gain more 177 00:07:54,824 --> 00:08:00,294 understanding, and that can shape what your no free will will be in the future. 178 00:08:01,024 --> 00:08:06,284 Like if you choose not to learn things, then you're just going to 179 00:08:06,284 --> 00:08:07,754 keep doing what you would have done. 180 00:08:08,121 --> 00:08:10,271 Mark: yeah, I think that's interesting. 181 00:08:10,271 --> 00:08:15,531 I think there are, to me, there are different levels of choice then. 182 00:08:15,811 --> 00:08:20,396 It's like, so been playing this, uh, or replaying this game, the 183 00:08:20,396 --> 00:08:24,166 Stanley parable, and there's this, the whole, the whole sort of game at 184 00:08:24,176 --> 00:08:26,116 the beginning is really about choice. 185 00:08:26,586 --> 00:08:33,266 And, cause the character rates what you do before you've decided. 186 00:08:33,756 --> 00:08:34,526 What you'll do. 187 00:08:35,016 --> 00:08:38,976 So, I won't spoil it cause it's worth playing, but, uh, the, the, 188 00:08:38,986 --> 00:08:43,666 the best example being, you walk into a room and there are two doors 189 00:08:43,666 --> 00:08:46,986 in front of you, and the narrator says something along the lines of 190 00:08:46,986 --> 00:08:50,326 Stanley walked through the left door. 191 00:08:51,316 --> 00:08:52,576 You haven't chosen yet. 192 00:08:53,376 --> 00:08:57,136 So you can choose to walk through the right door and then all sorts 193 00:08:57,136 --> 00:08:58,336 of fun things happen in the game. 194 00:08:59,096 --> 00:09:01,516 and so there's those kinds of choices. 195 00:09:01,746 --> 00:09:02,146 Brendan: Yeah. 196 00:09:03,506 --> 00:09:08,486 Mark: But then the point that you make, which I really like is, is the choice 197 00:09:08,506 --> 00:09:13,796 to learn from the choice that you made or the thing that happened to you. 198 00:09:14,028 --> 00:09:19,208 and what you choose to do with that information, should you assimilate it? 199 00:09:19,688 --> 00:09:20,888 and I think that's really interesting. 200 00:09:20,888 --> 00:09:22,118 And that gets onto like. 201 00:09:22,593 --> 00:09:24,843 Thinking about the last season of the good place where it was 202 00:09:24,853 --> 00:09:28,943 really all about you going through a stage of all going through a, a, an 203 00:09:28,963 --> 00:09:34,263 iteration of life and then ending and kind of, yeah, what have you learned? 204 00:09:34,273 --> 00:09:36,713 And then what has that done to your score? 205 00:09:36,753 --> 00:09:39,943 And then if the score is not at this particular number, then you 206 00:09:39,943 --> 00:09:41,103 go back again or whatever it was, 207 00:09:41,193 --> 00:09:41,503 Brendan: Yeah. 208 00:09:41,503 --> 00:09:41,713 Yeah. 209 00:09:41,713 --> 00:09:41,903 Yeah. 210 00:09:42,173 --> 00:09:45,453 Mark: uh, or yeah, or you, you, you have some tests or something. 211 00:09:45,453 --> 00:09:46,933 And if you fail the test, then you have to go back. 212 00:09:47,333 --> 00:09:53,872 and so yeah, there's, there's something interesting there about what you choose 213 00:09:54,082 --> 00:09:59,472 to, there's what you choose to do versus what you choose to learn, I guess, 214 00:09:59,802 --> 00:10:00,132 Brendan: Yeah. 215 00:10:01,262 --> 00:10:06,072 And then, you know, the thing, everything that came before impacts your decision 216 00:10:06,132 --> 00:10:08,192 of whether you choose to learn it or not. 217 00:10:08,502 --> 00:10:13,352 So in that regard, there's still a little bit of non, non free will aspect 218 00:10:14,102 --> 00:10:14,792 going into it. 219 00:10:14,822 --> 00:10:15,562 Mark: of circumstance. 220 00:10:15,812 --> 00:10:16,452 Brendan: Yeah. 221 00:10:16,891 --> 00:10:22,269 but yeah, I just feel like, and also like the, the, pressure, not pressures 222 00:10:22,369 --> 00:10:25,940 necessarily, probably, but, People around you pushing you to learn or to 223 00:10:25,940 --> 00:10:30,650 grow or whatever or the circumstances that are like Influencing you in a 224 00:10:30,650 --> 00:10:35,750 certain way impacts your decision on whether you have the ability to learn 225 00:10:35,790 --> 00:10:42,001 have the desire to learn and grow and change and So I feel like people think 226 00:10:42,041 --> 00:10:48,095 no free will means you're static when I don't, I don't see that at all. 227 00:10:48,095 --> 00:10:48,545 It's just, 228 00:10:49,303 --> 00:10:49,833 Mark: You know what? 229 00:10:49,913 --> 00:10:54,903 The word that's coming up for me now is responsibility, 230 00:10:55,258 --> 00:10:56,060 Brendan: what's that? 231 00:10:59,543 --> 00:11:07,173 Mark: because I think, That's maybe what people conflate free will with being, 232 00:11:07,173 --> 00:11:09,283 is free will means no responsibility. 233 00:11:09,743 --> 00:11:15,033 And I think what's it, yeah, what's interesting there is, Okay, 234 00:11:15,643 --> 00:11:19,263 we don't technically like it's not that we don't have a choice. 235 00:11:19,283 --> 00:11:21,043 It's just we were always going to make that choice. 236 00:11:21,043 --> 00:11:21,893 I think that's possibly a 237 00:11:21,923 --> 00:11:25,633 better character characterization because you definitely mentally make a choice. 238 00:11:25,958 --> 00:11:26,428 Brendan: correct. 239 00:11:26,837 --> 00:11:31,757 Mark: but what we're talking about now is saying, okay, well, you were 240 00:11:31,757 --> 00:11:32,567 always going to make that choice. 241 00:11:32,957 --> 00:11:35,607 The decision next is. 242 00:11:36,057 --> 00:11:40,567 What responsibility do you take and what ownership do you take over that choice? 243 00:11:41,387 --> 00:11:44,767 And that's the thing about whether you learn from it or whether you go, 244 00:11:44,777 --> 00:11:47,107 well, it was the other person's fault. 245 00:11:47,127 --> 00:11:48,167 They did a stupid thing. 246 00:11:48,167 --> 00:11:49,347 There was nothing I could have done. 247 00:11:49,347 --> 00:11:51,997 And it's like, well, if you take some responsibility or ownership over it, 248 00:11:52,387 --> 00:11:56,317 then you can affect a change the next time you, you get a go around with that. 249 00:11:56,739 --> 00:12:01,244 Brendan: the reason why I brought that up again is I watched this 250 00:12:01,294 --> 00:12:03,254 Johnny Harris video on YouTube. 251 00:12:03,264 --> 00:12:04,274 Do you know Johnny Harris? 252 00:12:05,264 --> 00:12:07,994 He's um, a YouTube documentarian. 253 00:12:08,244 --> 00:12:12,734 He, uh, worked for Vox for a while and then moved over to, uh, the New 254 00:12:12,734 --> 00:12:14,784 York Times doing videos for them. 255 00:12:15,094 --> 00:12:17,374 And now I think is just independent. 256 00:12:17,944 --> 00:12:22,544 He makes pretty deep dive like into a topic documentaries. 257 00:12:22,544 --> 00:12:24,454 They're very approachable. 258 00:12:24,694 --> 00:12:30,540 He talks a bit too much, but he, it, yeah, it's, it, they're, they're easy to 259 00:12:30,540 --> 00:12:33,590 watch and, and usually really interesting. 260 00:12:33,590 --> 00:12:37,830 He does a lot of things on like the borders between countries, but he's also, 261 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,677 he, he throws in like wellness stuff. 262 00:12:40,887 --> 00:12:43,497 He, he, he did one on, on not using shampoo. 263 00:12:43,517 --> 00:12:47,697 He did one on, on saunas and, and, and hot tubs and cold plunges. 264 00:12:48,447 --> 00:12:49,987 And he recently did one on sleep. 265 00:12:50,569 --> 00:12:55,692 And can't exactly remember why I felt like the free will and 266 00:12:55,692 --> 00:12:57,872 sleep thing were so intertwined. 267 00:12:59,352 --> 00:13:03,682 But there was something about it that made me feel like there 268 00:13:03,882 --> 00:13:04,312 Mark: can. 269 00:13:05,122 --> 00:13:11,312 Brendan: connection there between the quality of your sleep, like what you do in 270 00:13:11,312 --> 00:13:16,372 your day to day life, and how that affects your sleep when you're unconscious and 271 00:13:17,092 --> 00:13:17,382 there 272 00:13:17,392 --> 00:13:20,817 being some sort of free will connection Yeah, I mean, yeah, 273 00:13:20,827 --> 00:13:21,707 also the other way around. 274 00:13:22,062 --> 00:13:24,962 Mark: yeah, the choices that you make like this morning. 275 00:13:24,962 --> 00:13:29,962 So I wasn't feeling super great about myself because, I did a load 276 00:13:29,962 --> 00:13:31,152 of really good work yesterday. 277 00:13:31,152 --> 00:13:34,422 I was really, really proud of myself, really pleased and ended up just getting 278 00:13:34,422 --> 00:13:36,692 a shit load of really delicious meat. 279 00:13:36,792 --> 00:13:38,372 Just like I got a big meat delivery. 280 00:13:38,567 --> 00:13:38,647 Brendan: Mmm. 281 00:13:38,657 --> 00:13:40,597 meat, tasty meat fire. 282 00:13:41,172 --> 00:13:48,322 Mark: Yes, I got up this morning and was very tired, didn't sleep very 283 00:13:48,322 --> 00:13:51,392 well, partly because of the meat and eating it a little bit too late. 284 00:13:51,617 --> 00:13:52,177 Brendan: Oh, yeah. 285 00:13:53,142 --> 00:13:56,512 Mark: and so, you know, wasn't, yeah, didn't, didn't sleep well, but got 286 00:13:56,512 --> 00:13:59,132 up and I was like, no, I'm going to go, I'm going to go do the gym thing. 287 00:13:59,848 --> 00:14:06,338 and kind of mindlessly, I just gobbled up all of the leftovers. 288 00:14:06,843 --> 00:14:08,453 Brendan: Mmm, mm hmm. 289 00:14:09,093 --> 00:14:13,623 Mark: and I knew it was, there was something there a little bit later on when 290 00:14:13,623 --> 00:14:16,703 I was actually at the gym sort of feeling like, Oh, I shouldn't have did this. 291 00:14:18,403 --> 00:14:23,263 sort of with that thing of like, yeah, but like you kind of, you were 292 00:14:23,303 --> 00:14:30,403 slightly zombified and not quite fully awake and with full agency. 293 00:14:31,518 --> 00:14:37,108 And so that's, yeah, I think there is something there about the dist 294 00:14:37,148 --> 00:14:39,948 I hate that phrase, I keep doing that, like, there's something here 295 00:14:39,948 --> 00:14:40,998 about, just say what the thing is. 296 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:46,158 it's, I find it an irritating affectation, but it makes, yeah, it 297 00:14:46,158 --> 00:14:51,238 makes me think about the, uh, yeah, the choice you make the night before 298 00:14:52,178 --> 00:14:55,888 impacts how much sleep you get, which then impacts your choicefulness 299 00:14:56,063 --> 00:14:56,493 Brendan: yes. 300 00:14:56,973 --> 00:14:58,893 It actually, it actually does. 301 00:14:59,023 --> 00:15:00,863 It's not just a theory in your head. 302 00:15:01,063 --> 00:15:03,283 I have some science to share with you. 303 00:15:04,213 --> 00:15:09,604 So this Johnny Harris video, was, Revealing some new research 304 00:15:09,604 --> 00:15:11,694 from the Paris Brain Institute. 305 00:15:12,724 --> 00:15:19,304 And so when, when you make a decision, when you make a choice 306 00:15:20,214 --> 00:15:25,394 in your brain, there is a release of a chemical called glutamate. 307 00:15:26,564 --> 00:15:31,534 It is a neurotransmitter, so it allows signals to go through your 308 00:15:31,534 --> 00:15:34,974 neurons, which are just like little pathways, pipelines and stuff. 309 00:15:36,098 --> 00:15:42,779 glutamate, it's essential for the, for the choices to get to their destinations. 310 00:15:43,272 --> 00:15:48,999 but it also, it's like, the wrapper on a package, like you open up the package 311 00:15:49,019 --> 00:15:52,367 and then you have the thing that you wanted, but then, Then you have this 312 00:15:52,367 --> 00:15:57,807 box to deal with, and the plastic, and everything, and that, you just toss it 313 00:15:57,807 --> 00:16:01,937 outside your door, and it piles up and piles up and piles up, and eventually 314 00:16:01,937 --> 00:16:05,547 the street is full, the driveway is clogged, and the street is full, and 315 00:16:05,547 --> 00:16:09,897 there's just all this glutamate around, and then it kind of gets in the way. 316 00:16:10,827 --> 00:16:16,132 And so, the way to clear it out is by sleeping, sleeping 317 00:16:16,132 --> 00:16:17,832 well and sleeping deeply. 318 00:16:18,794 --> 00:16:22,834 and so it's, it's kind of fascinating, like this, the same thing that helps you, 319 00:16:23,284 --> 00:16:27,904 which, oh man, the yin yang, I'm, I'm just seeing yin yangs all over the place now. 320 00:16:27,904 --> 00:16:32,494 The, the thing that's positive is also the thing that's negative in the same, in the 321 00:16:32,494 --> 00:16:32,924 same way. 322 00:16:33,544 --> 00:16:33,704 Yeah. 323 00:16:34,453 --> 00:16:39,757 so yeah, glutamate, it, it allows you to make the decisions and also by the 324 00:16:39,757 --> 00:16:42,957 end of the day, there's so much of it, you can't make decisions anymore. 325 00:16:42,997 --> 00:16:45,507 Decision fatigue is a real thing. 326 00:16:45,507 --> 00:16:46,267 It's glutamate. 327 00:16:46,892 --> 00:16:47,102 Mark: Yeah. 328 00:16:47,102 --> 00:16:51,132 If you've run out of, so, so basically then you need to just 329 00:16:51,132 --> 00:16:52,462 eat a boatload of Chinese food, 330 00:16:53,287 --> 00:16:56,197 Brendan: I, uh, so that's MSG. 331 00:16:56,487 --> 00:16:57,397 What's the, I don't 332 00:16:57,397 --> 00:16:57,857 know if you're, 333 00:16:57,862 --> 00:17:02,602 Mark: monosodium glutamate. 334 00:17:02,650 --> 00:17:03,057 Brendan: Nice. 335 00:17:03,057 --> 00:17:03,657 Nice. 336 00:17:04,182 --> 00:17:04,742 Mark: Boo. 337 00:17:04,847 --> 00:17:05,307 Brendan: man. 338 00:17:08,587 --> 00:17:13,488 Um, so, so there was a, there's, um, a suggestion, there's like a couple of hacks 339 00:17:13,498 --> 00:17:18,910 that you can do of like taking a siesta midday to, purge out some of the glutamate 340 00:17:18,950 --> 00:17:22,280 can make it easier in the afternoon for you to be able to make choices. 341 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:23,810 There's another hack is like. 342 00:17:24,270 --> 00:17:27,590 Limiting your decisions, especially early in the, early in the morning, 343 00:17:28,150 --> 00:17:33,150 like taking the Steve Jobs approach of just having a uniform or a meal plan. 344 00:17:34,550 --> 00:17:34,860 Uh, 345 00:17:34,985 --> 00:17:35,345 Mark: listener. 346 00:17:35,345 --> 00:17:36,355 I just pointed at my, 347 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:37,590 Brendan: hand on heart shirt. 348 00:17:37,645 --> 00:17:38,105 Mark: my chest. 349 00:17:39,925 --> 00:17:44,035 Brendan: or like meal planning and, and, and bulk making your meals and, and not, 350 00:17:44,495 --> 00:17:48,470 not choosing what you're, doing first thing in the morning, when you get up, 351 00:17:48,510 --> 00:17:56,030 like, like, try to just get outside and into the sun and rest, like, allow 352 00:17:56,030 --> 00:18:02,200 yourself time to wake up and, and not necessarily make a bunch of decisions 353 00:18:02,210 --> 00:18:05,781 first thing in the morning was the suggestion of, this, research study. 354 00:18:06,361 --> 00:18:09,671 And yeah, I just, I, yeah, between that and the free will thing, I was just 355 00:18:09,671 --> 00:18:13,371 like, like, yeah, okay, we learned this new thing and we can then kind of hack. 356 00:18:13,806 --> 00:18:18,769 our free will a bit, uh, to make things, to make it easier to make 357 00:18:18,779 --> 00:18:20,589 choices later in the day and earlier. 358 00:18:20,589 --> 00:18:25,999 And there's also stuff about caffeine, which I didn't quite like, like, it's 359 00:18:26,009 --> 00:18:31,443 not, it's not uncommon advice to like take a coffee nap where you quickly 360 00:18:31,503 --> 00:18:32,913 drink a coffee and then lay down for 361 00:18:32,913 --> 00:18:33,663 20 minutes. 362 00:18:34,293 --> 00:18:34,743 Yeah. 363 00:18:35,122 --> 00:18:39,932 or drinking coffee between not having your first coffee of the day until. 364 00:18:40,097 --> 00:18:42,097 between 9 and 11 a. 365 00:18:42,097 --> 00:18:42,457 m. 366 00:18:42,747 --> 00:18:47,866 Um, which is supposed to, do something with Adenosine. 367 00:18:48,486 --> 00:18:53,033 And, I don't know the, the, the, the, the research on that and the, and the 368 00:18:53,043 --> 00:18:58,473 logic behind it doesn't make a lot of sense to me and to some people I follow. 369 00:18:58,943 --> 00:19:00,653 And so that one's a bit like kind of weird. 370 00:19:01,227 --> 00:19:06,157 But, you know, a siesta, hard to do, but, depending on, you know, an occupation 371 00:19:06,217 --> 00:19:09,705 and everything, but, the winner for me. 372 00:19:09,705 --> 00:19:11,595 I, man, that sounds, that sounds wonderful. 373 00:19:11,755 --> 00:19:12,565 I'll take a nap. 374 00:19:15,020 --> 00:19:15,590 Mark: How 375 00:19:15,595 --> 00:19:15,955 Brendan: yeah. 376 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:17,190 Mark: your week been? 377 00:19:17,696 --> 00:19:21,375 Brendan: man, I've been so, I've been so excited for our next segment, 378 00:19:22,155 --> 00:19:23,545 Mark: Oh, well, that's 379 00:19:23,855 --> 00:19:26,675 Brendan: so, so that's been, that's been just, That's been 380 00:19:26,675 --> 00:19:27,395 just a joy. 381 00:19:27,765 --> 00:19:29,525 That's been, it's just been very occupying 382 00:19:29,805 --> 00:19:30,295 Mark: Good. 383 00:19:30,855 --> 00:19:37,685 Brendan: and, oh man, I just had, I an emotional men's group yesterday. 384 00:19:38,366 --> 00:19:44,178 a couple weeks prior in a different, men's meeting, I had said something 385 00:19:44,178 --> 00:19:50,948 that had triggered somebody and they, they felt really dismissed 386 00:19:51,048 --> 00:19:53,747 and, they were really upset. 387 00:19:54,507 --> 00:20:01,051 Strongly thinking about leaving the group and, I had no idea until he had 388 00:20:01,051 --> 00:20:05,371 mentioned it last week, saying like, you know, Hey, I've been feeling this 389 00:20:05,371 --> 00:20:07,431 way, but he didn't give any details. 390 00:20:07,431 --> 00:20:12,341 And then this week he, let us all know like what, what was going on for him. 391 00:20:12,351 --> 00:20:15,764 Um, It was, it was, it was pretty emotional for all of us. 392 00:20:15,774 --> 00:20:17,174 We were all kind of like tearing up. 393 00:20:17,184 --> 00:20:19,364 I was super like shaky. 394 00:20:19,394 --> 00:20:23,494 Cause I, I hate the idea of having hurt somebody. 395 00:20:23,524 --> 00:20:29,061 And, and it wasn't really he understood that it wasn't me. 396 00:20:29,301 --> 00:20:30,651 That wasn't what I'd said. 397 00:20:30,651 --> 00:20:33,321 It wasn't, I didn't do anything to harm him. 398 00:20:33,851 --> 00:20:37,361 And it was just the thing that I had said was triggering for 399 00:20:37,361 --> 00:20:39,291 him because of his own trauma. 400 00:20:40,091 --> 00:20:47,071 And then nobody kind of went back to him during the discussion 401 00:20:47,091 --> 00:20:48,461 and checked in with him about 402 00:20:49,386 --> 00:20:52,316 And like, we didn't really know, because he's kind of a quiet guy, and 403 00:20:52,316 --> 00:20:56,936 we didn't really know that he wanted that or needed that in the moment. 404 00:20:57,656 --> 00:21:03,116 And the topic, we were talking about, suicide and, taking 405 00:21:03,146 --> 00:21:05,835 antidepressants to, prevent that. 406 00:21:06,305 --> 00:21:12,495 And, the topic was brought up by another gentleman, and we were kind of all 407 00:21:12,505 --> 00:21:16,285 focusing on, you know, Him and not the guy that was triggered because we didn't 408 00:21:16,295 --> 00:21:19,825 know he was triggered and the other guy brought it up And we all kind of went 409 00:21:19,825 --> 00:21:26,205 around and we're telling our story of our own challenges with with suicidality so 410 00:21:26,205 --> 00:21:27,685 yeah, it was just kind of unfortunate. 411 00:21:27,835 --> 00:21:32,992 It was nobody's fault really just It was a bummer, in the, in the moment 412 00:21:32,992 --> 00:21:38,272 yesterday when he was revealing it, the, you know, his trigger point was 413 00:21:38,272 --> 00:21:42,367 from something that I had said, which was kind of, I guess, just like, not 414 00:21:42,377 --> 00:21:48,277 dismissing, medication, but trying to. 415 00:21:49,487 --> 00:21:53,437 I wanted to talk about other options, like, yeah, that, that is one option, 416 00:21:53,437 --> 00:21:55,017 but there are also other options. 417 00:21:55,017 --> 00:21:57,718 Like we can, there's, there's pathways. 418 00:21:57,758 --> 00:21:58,948 You can learn new things. 419 00:21:58,948 --> 00:22:05,508 You can reroute neuro neurons and you know, there are options and heath. 420 00:22:06,613 --> 00:22:12,783 He's struggled throughout his life to try those things and it hasn't worked 421 00:22:12,783 --> 00:22:17,543 for him so he's on medication and feels like he has to be and so he kind of felt 422 00:22:17,543 --> 00:22:20,883 like maybe there was a bit of a judgment there when there absolutely wasn't. 423 00:22:21,946 --> 00:22:25,246 we all talked about it and it was, uh, yeah, it was pretty emotional. 424 00:22:25,566 --> 00:22:30,431 But at the same, in the same, meeting, I got these two like 425 00:22:30,441 --> 00:22:33,061 massive compliments I couldn't have. 426 00:22:33,396 --> 00:22:40,246 Like, I didn't expect and I, I, I, I was an inspiration to one guy who, 427 00:22:40,876 --> 00:22:46,646 like my demeanor, my, my happiness, my, my self, um, pleasure and confidence 428 00:22:47,146 --> 00:22:49,876 was like a shining light to this guy. 429 00:22:49,916 --> 00:22:53,316 And he was like, The first time he met me, he's like, is this even real? 430 00:22:53,326 --> 00:22:54,606 Like, what is, what is going on here? 431 00:22:54,606 --> 00:22:57,416 And then like, as he got to know me more, he's like, wow, 432 00:22:57,416 --> 00:22:58,826 this, this is really genuine. 433 00:22:58,826 --> 00:23:00,616 And I, like, I'm so inspired by this. 434 00:23:00,636 --> 00:23:02,776 I want that so much. 435 00:23:03,326 --> 00:23:07,038 And then another guy, who, the, who was the guy who, um, 436 00:23:08,608 --> 00:23:09,698 who was recently divorced. 437 00:23:09,728 --> 00:23:12,488 And I, you know, gave him the contrary advice 438 00:23:12,488 --> 00:23:18,440 of, maybe being happy for his wife and his, his, Um, he gave me a compliment 439 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:23,470 too and was really, uh, just super happy I was there and, and pushing 440 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,250 people and then kind of like, you know, pushing boundaries and stuff. 441 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,220 And we all kind of came to the conclusion, like, we don't, 442 00:23:29,230 --> 00:23:30,760 yeah, yeah, a trigger happened. 443 00:23:31,270 --> 00:23:35,860 It's really great and, and, and vulnerable and open for him to 444 00:23:35,870 --> 00:23:38,100 have come and shared that with us. 445 00:23:38,170 --> 00:23:40,080 And we're, we're all really thankful for it. 446 00:23:40,700 --> 00:23:45,000 And we all still want people to push our buttons and like push back on 447 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,900 if we say something and it's not quite, you know, maybe we have a 448 00:23:48,900 --> 00:23:52,750 different thought or there's another way to look at it or whatever. 449 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,360 we, we all still want it universally. 450 00:23:55,360 --> 00:23:56,210 We all still wanted that. 451 00:23:56,220 --> 00:23:57,250 So that was really great. 452 00:23:57,250 --> 00:23:58,550 I was really happy about that because. 453 00:23:59,955 --> 00:24:03,445 That's, that's what I do is I say, that's what I, like, I always want 454 00:24:03,445 --> 00:24:06,985 to be like, well, you know, sure, that's one way to think about it. 455 00:24:06,985 --> 00:24:09,085 Let's, you know, there could be another way to think about it. 456 00:24:09,085 --> 00:24:13,245 And, and people were turning to me and asking me like questions about 457 00:24:14,075 --> 00:24:16,535 how, how I would reframe things. 458 00:24:16,555 --> 00:24:22,145 I gave them a story about how my, uh, My favorite movie growing up, and 459 00:24:22,155 --> 00:24:25,105 still maybe kind of to this day, sort of, I don't know, it's hard to pick 460 00:24:25,105 --> 00:24:27,225 a favorite movie, is The Cable Guy. 461 00:24:27,665 --> 00:24:30,285 And there's this moment where, 462 00:24:30,775 --> 00:24:32,355 Mark: hmm. 463 00:24:32,355 --> 00:24:36,685 Brendan: Jim Carrey walks into Matthew Broderick's apartment, and 464 00:24:36,685 --> 00:24:39,755 there's no messages on the machine, and he goes, Nobody loves you. 465 00:24:40,745 --> 00:24:45,570 And I For a long time, whenever I would look at my phone and there 466 00:24:45,570 --> 00:24:48,760 was no text messages, there was no phone call, missed calls or whatever, 467 00:24:49,100 --> 00:24:53,050 I would look at it and I would say either internally or externally, nobody 468 00:24:53,050 --> 00:24:54,890 loves you, just in Jim Carrey's voice. 469 00:24:55,420 --> 00:24:59,000 And I realized that that was bringing me down. 470 00:24:59,030 --> 00:25:01,240 Like, it wasn't that there was no messages bringing me down. 471 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,900 It was me telling myself that, that really brought me down. 472 00:25:04,210 --> 00:25:11,532 And about eight months ago or a year ago or so, I realized I was doing that. 473 00:25:12,272 --> 00:25:20,502 And consciously made the choice, the free will choice to, say, everybody 474 00:25:20,502 --> 00:25:23,382 loves me instead of nobody loves me. 475 00:25:24,122 --> 00:25:28,042 And after it was hard to do, I would, I would say nobody loves me. 476 00:25:28,172 --> 00:25:29,362 No, no, everybody loves me. 477 00:25:29,592 --> 00:25:31,722 And I know not everybody loves me. 478 00:25:31,782 --> 00:25:34,022 Like I'm not, but that's, that's beside the point. 479 00:25:34,632 --> 00:25:38,462 A lot of people love me and everybody that matters 480 00:25:39,387 --> 00:25:39,567 Mark: Mm 481 00:25:39,792 --> 00:25:41,252 Brendan: to me, loves me. 482 00:25:41,732 --> 00:25:42,342 And that's great. 483 00:25:42,343 --> 00:25:42,352 That's great. 484 00:25:42,352 --> 00:25:42,412 Thank you. 485 00:25:42,927 --> 00:25:49,272 Mark: Also, if your heart is pure, there is no harm in Traversing the world with 486 00:25:49,332 --> 00:25:52,862 the precept that everybody loves you 487 00:25:53,532 --> 00:25:59,562 because That's just a more open and friendly way to be rather than to 488 00:25:59,562 --> 00:26:05,592 constantly be skulking around the world with your, with a, you know, 489 00:26:05,942 --> 00:26:09,842 with a, with a sense of defensiveness 490 00:26:09,912 --> 00:26:10,522 or. 491 00:26:10,922 --> 00:26:15,742 Being inward facing or not giving your true self or whatever it is, you 492 00:26:15,742 --> 00:26:19,642 know, being snarky, being sarcastic, being any of these things that are 493 00:26:19,872 --> 00:26:24,032 ultimately defense mechanisms, because you don't want to entertain the idea 494 00:26:24,032 --> 00:26:27,862 that actually maybe you're fun to be around and people enjoy that. 495 00:26:27,972 --> 00:26:30,245 And when you find the people who don't. 496 00:26:30,245 --> 00:26:30,458 Yeah. 497 00:26:30,982 --> 00:26:34,827 buy into your bullshit, you sort of go, okay, that's fine. 498 00:26:35,337 --> 00:26:37,717 You know, but yeah, yeah, exactly. 499 00:26:37,727 --> 00:26:37,997 Like, 500 00:26:39,048 --> 00:26:42,288 yeah, like going through life with the precept that everybody loves you. 501 00:26:42,288 --> 00:26:44,148 I don't think that's, that's harmful. 502 00:26:44,488 --> 00:26:46,948 I think that's a, that's a, a nice, a nice way to live. 503 00:26:46,948 --> 00:26:50,658 It's just like, I'm kind of cool and people like me 504 00:26:51,048 --> 00:26:51,448 Brendan: Yeah. 505 00:26:51,628 --> 00:26:52,198 Mark: should like me. 506 00:26:52,448 --> 00:26:52,868 Brendan: Yeah. 507 00:26:52,998 --> 00:26:56,278 And now I look at my phone and no matter what's on the screen, 508 00:26:56,908 --> 00:26:58,688 I'm, now it's just neutral. 509 00:26:58,688 --> 00:27:03,158 I don't, I don't say either to myself and I don't feel bad. 510 00:27:03,178 --> 00:27:04,308 I don't feel good. 511 00:27:04,308 --> 00:27:06,368 I just, I'm like, okay, there's the phone. 512 00:27:06,578 --> 00:27:07,208 It's right in front of me. 513 00:27:08,053 --> 00:27:09,583 and, and that feels really good. 514 00:27:10,173 --> 00:27:11,003 That feels really good. 515 00:27:11,573 --> 00:27:18,463 yeah, I'm not, I'm not like, as, as wanting any more for. 516 00:27:19,288 --> 00:27:21,078 people to have been reaching out to me. 517 00:27:21,108 --> 00:27:24,288 And, uh, I, I had been at a, at a point where I was like, man, 518 00:27:24,288 --> 00:27:28,568 I wish people would just text me more like to show me they love me. 519 00:27:28,578 --> 00:27:33,138 Cause that's how I tell, and cause that's how I show my love is I, I send, you 520 00:27:33,138 --> 00:27:36,648 know, like, Oh, this, this, uh, this video made me think of you, or the song 521 00:27:36,658 --> 00:27:39,378 made me think, I think you'd really like this song or, you know, whatever. 522 00:27:39,848 --> 00:27:44,928 And I send it to somebody cause that's, a path of love for me to 523 00:27:44,928 --> 00:27:47,493 send and, and I want that in return. 524 00:27:47,983 --> 00:27:51,333 And I wanted that so much that it was bringing me down because I wasn't getting 525 00:27:51,333 --> 00:27:54,237 it, that's not how everybody shows love. 526 00:27:54,257 --> 00:27:55,417 We all have different love languages. 527 00:27:56,681 --> 00:27:58,151 That was cool at the, at the men's group. 528 00:27:58,962 --> 00:28:05,032 yeah, I also came up with a new business idea that, uh, I'm, I 529 00:28:05,032 --> 00:28:06,642 haven't shared with you before. 530 00:28:07,212 --> 00:28:07,822 And. 531 00:28:08,483 --> 00:28:10,633 I'm, I'm really not sure about it. 532 00:28:11,383 --> 00:28:14,968 I, uh, there's just so much stigma. 533 00:28:15,068 --> 00:28:17,888 And, I even, I guess I even have it within myself. 534 00:28:17,888 --> 00:28:21,178 But, uh, I think it's a really great idea. 535 00:28:22,991 --> 00:28:27,751 in a past life, you probably don't know this about me. 536 00:28:28,734 --> 00:28:30,764 I have been quite the shoplifter. 537 00:28:31,579 --> 00:28:31,989 Mark: Huh. 538 00:28:32,829 --> 00:28:35,569 That doesn't me. 539 00:28:38,304 --> 00:28:38,664 Brendan: Great 540 00:28:40,044 --> 00:28:40,444 Yeah 541 00:28:40,779 --> 00:28:44,509 Mark: I don't, yeah, I don't, I don't know how, like, what, like, what you were 542 00:28:44,509 --> 00:28:46,359 supposed to do with that information. 543 00:28:46,359 --> 00:28:47,819 But, yeah. 544 00:28:47,819 --> 00:28:48,549 In 545 00:28:48,955 --> 00:28:54,615 Brendan: when I was when I was a child, definitely I you know What is money? 546 00:28:55,505 --> 00:28:55,725 Mark: Mm 547 00:28:55,975 --> 00:29:02,925 Brendan: But then growing up like still still just kept the habit of it 548 00:29:03,485 --> 00:29:10,015 And then, uh, in my, in my previous marriage, it was condoned and encouraged. 549 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:10,540 Mark: huh 550 00:29:11,610 --> 00:29:15,600 Brendan: then, you know, just, I, I became really good at it. 551 00:29:17,058 --> 00:29:24,228 and so I've, I've, I've, I learned a lot of things about how to. 552 00:29:25,123 --> 00:29:30,063 how to plan, how to look around without looking like you're looking around, 553 00:29:30,863 --> 00:29:34,953 how to be aware of where people are and where they're moving and their patterns. 554 00:29:35,013 --> 00:29:39,783 And it just, it just kind of became second nature. 555 00:29:40,893 --> 00:29:46,253 so I developed this skill that is counterculture. 556 00:29:48,146 --> 00:29:48,436 Mark: Sure. 557 00:29:48,741 --> 00:29:50,331 Brendan: And it came to mind, 558 00:29:50,336 --> 00:29:50,626 Mark: Okay. 559 00:29:51,401 --> 00:29:56,171 Brendan: like, how could I put this to a profitable use that maybe 560 00:29:56,191 --> 00:29:58,652 isn't taking away from others. 561 00:30:00,672 --> 00:30:10,422 And I thought about creating a company that would perform shoplifting audits. 562 00:30:11,281 --> 00:30:16,041 And it would be like hiring a secret shopper that doesn't shop. 563 00:30:17,086 --> 00:30:17,416 Mark: Mm-Hmm? 564 00:30:18,431 --> 00:30:19,211 Brendan: And 565 00:30:19,306 --> 00:30:19,816 Mark: Shoplifter. 566 00:30:19,906 --> 00:30:20,326 Yeah. 567 00:30:20,331 --> 00:30:21,261 Brendan: exactly. 568 00:30:21,655 --> 00:30:22,816 I found a, I found a pretty good. 569 00:30:22,986 --> 00:30:28,454 com I don't know, I'm just, I'm, I'm toying with the idea. 570 00:30:28,464 --> 00:30:28,484 Yeah. 571 00:30:28,494 --> 00:30:29,504 It's, it's not. 572 00:30:30,824 --> 00:30:32,754 You know, I, I've been, okay. 573 00:30:32,794 --> 00:30:35,064 So, I've been diversifying a bit lately. 574 00:30:35,064 --> 00:30:40,404 I, I, like we just talked about, this week I made a new website for my podcast 575 00:30:40,434 --> 00:30:47,572 editing and I'm, I'm in the process of regaining my electrical license so that 576 00:30:47,572 --> 00:30:50,032 I can do, uh, electrician work again. 577 00:30:50,392 --> 00:30:50,772 Mark: Nice. 578 00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:54,770 Brendan: and also at the same time this week, I've had more inquiries into 579 00:30:54,780 --> 00:30:57,190 remodeling and consulting and stuff. 580 00:30:57,370 --> 00:31:00,860 And it feels like the universe is a bit like, all right, you're expanding. 581 00:31:00,990 --> 00:31:01,590 Now we'll just. 582 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:02,550 We'll give, 583 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:04,650 and then that feels good. 584 00:31:05,030 --> 00:31:09,510 And, and, and at the same time, I'm having this idea of like another avenue. 585 00:31:10,030 --> 00:31:12,690 It wouldn't have to be necessarily full time. 586 00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:16,092 Maybe it could be, you know, if I get there, but like just an 587 00:31:16,102 --> 00:31:18,122 interesting thing to also have. 588 00:31:18,827 --> 00:31:19,407 Mark: It's a gig. 589 00:31:19,782 --> 00:31:20,482 Brendan: it's a gig. 590 00:31:20,821 --> 00:31:22,421 So yeah, thinking about it. 591 00:31:22,851 --> 00:31:28,091 And the, you know, the, the hardest part is kind of just 592 00:31:28,441 --> 00:31:32,591 admitting to people who don't know, like people have an idea of me. 593 00:31:33,386 --> 00:31:38,496 Of, of like conscientious and like, okay, 594 00:31:40,726 --> 00:31:44,466 a great example of this is my therapist from a year ago. 595 00:31:44,926 --> 00:31:52,176 I, I told her after, after maybe like seven to 10 sessions, you 596 00:31:52,176 --> 00:31:54,956 know, we, we, we got to know each other pretty well already. 597 00:31:55,216 --> 00:32:01,636 And I, I told her that in my youth, I shoplifted and she was like, Oh, wow. 598 00:32:01,956 --> 00:32:02,326 I. 599 00:32:03,536 --> 00:32:05,436 Had, I didn't expect that of you. 600 00:32:05,616 --> 00:32:08,636 Obviously she has some judgment around shoplifting and it's not 601 00:32:08,646 --> 00:32:10,426 an anti capitalist like I am. 602 00:32:10,876 --> 00:32:17,724 And, and that, that made me like, it made it really, I actually felt myself back 603 00:32:17,724 --> 00:32:21,644 away from her and I, like, I couldn't, I couldn't open up to her about things 604 00:32:21,644 --> 00:32:23,194 that I felt like she would judge me about 605 00:32:23,244 --> 00:32:27,092 anymore, which, so I couldn't, you know, I stayed with her for 606 00:32:27,092 --> 00:32:29,592 a little bit longer cause I still had some things I needed to process 607 00:32:29,592 --> 00:32:30,582 that I knew she could help me with. 608 00:32:31,082 --> 00:32:31,442 But. 609 00:32:32,367 --> 00:32:34,857 I was like, okay, well, this is, this is game over here. 610 00:32:35,182 --> 00:32:38,402 Mark: Yeah, one of the things I've realized is yep there is 611 00:32:38,402 --> 00:32:41,512 there is gradiation in quality of 612 00:32:41,607 --> 00:32:42,647 Brendan: Oh 613 00:32:42,667 --> 00:32:42,967 yeah. 614 00:32:43,717 --> 00:32:44,547 Oh yeah. 615 00:32:44,547 --> 00:32:45,492 Hmm. 616 00:32:45,512 --> 00:32:49,482 Mark: a conversation with someone for list envy a few weeks ago when I asked 617 00:32:49,482 --> 00:32:57,790 them about I think I asked her what she thought about BetterHelp, and, she said 618 00:32:57,830 --> 00:33:03,070 what you tend to get, and this absolutely jibed with my experience, or my judgment 619 00:33:03,090 --> 00:33:10,060 of the experience, is you tend to get less experienced therapists on that platform 620 00:33:10,060 --> 00:33:11,690 because it doesn't pay that well for them, 621 00:33:12,215 --> 00:33:12,595 Brendan: Yeah. 622 00:33:12,930 --> 00:33:15,100 Mark: because obviously BetterHelp is going to take 623 00:33:15,100 --> 00:33:19,685 their cut, and, uh, That tracked. 624 00:33:21,085 --> 00:33:24,815 It's like, yep, that, that, that makes sense with my experience. 625 00:33:25,045 --> 00:33:25,515 So, yeah. 626 00:33:25,535 --> 00:33:30,915 And, and having had a, you know, someone before who I saw in person and 627 00:33:31,255 --> 00:33:41,245 who I was able to tell pretty shaming stuff to, and always be met with. 628 00:33:42,820 --> 00:33:47,330 A way to feel okay about that and not a sense of judgment. 629 00:33:47,838 --> 00:33:51,068 yeah, it makes a big difference man alive Yeah, but that feeling 630 00:33:51,068 --> 00:33:54,898 of of yeah, you feeling like you've been judged by your therapist. 631 00:33:54,968 --> 00:33:58,808 It stings It's like isn't that the like the one thing 632 00:33:58,898 --> 00:33:59,208 like 633 00:33:59,263 --> 00:33:59,913 Brendan: supposed to do. 634 00:33:59,948 --> 00:34:01,808 Mark: number one that you're not meant to do? 635 00:34:03,073 --> 00:34:03,743 Brendan: Yeah. 636 00:34:04,923 --> 00:34:05,213 Yeah. 637 00:34:05,213 --> 00:34:07,923 And she did, she definitely didn't do it in a way that was like, Oh 638 00:34:07,923 --> 00:34:09,163 my God, dude, what are you doing? 639 00:34:09,333 --> 00:34:12,693 It was like, you know, it's like, Oh, I'm, I'm surprised. 640 00:34:12,693 --> 00:34:12,703 I. 641 00:34:13,618 --> 00:34:14,748 Didn't expect that from you. 642 00:34:14,818 --> 00:34:15,508 That kind of thing. 643 00:34:15,518 --> 00:34:15,578 And 644 00:34:15,578 --> 00:34:15,948 it's like, 645 00:34:15,968 --> 00:34:21,298 Mark: that kind of, that kind of language is like, Ooh, don't know, like, especially 646 00:34:21,298 --> 00:34:25,328 if you are sensitive to the fact that someone might be sensitive to judgment. 647 00:34:26,105 --> 00:34:26,505 no, 648 00:34:27,045 --> 00:34:27,585 Brendan: Yeah. 649 00:34:28,355 --> 00:34:35,551 I don't feel like I'm sensitive to judgment, but I am, you know, I'm a human. 650 00:34:36,669 --> 00:34:37,269 Yeah. 651 00:34:37,479 --> 00:34:41,539 Mark: you know, you've made yourself vulnerable, um, by sharing in something 652 00:34:41,539 --> 00:34:42,879 in that you thought was a safe space. 653 00:34:42,879 --> 00:34:45,659 And it's not that it's not a safe space, but it's just like, Oh, a little 654 00:34:45,659 --> 00:34:47,479 bit harder edged than I expected. 655 00:34:47,699 --> 00:34:48,049 Brendan: Yeah. 656 00:34:48,049 --> 00:34:48,509 For sure. 657 00:34:48,579 --> 00:34:51,829 Mark: And, you know, I remember that from, um, in a very different scenario, but 658 00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:57,499 I remember that in the standup course, just sort of noting like, ah, right. 659 00:34:57,539 --> 00:34:58,049 Yes. 660 00:34:58,059 --> 00:35:02,669 In this particular scenario, I don't feel as safe as I might. 661 00:35:03,309 --> 00:35:06,459 And that I don't, I don't, love that. 662 00:35:06,679 --> 00:35:10,339 And that's just, you know, there is a cliche around, I don't know. 663 00:35:10,399 --> 00:35:14,719 Cause it's like I had this cliche or not cliche, but, um, presupposition, 664 00:35:14,729 --> 00:35:17,369 like when I did the improv course that it might be a bit. 665 00:35:18,599 --> 00:35:22,189 Less say, and like the guy who ran it is a bit of a, he was a bit of 666 00:35:22,189 --> 00:35:25,989 a, he was a, yeah, it was a bit of a guy, but he ran a very safe. 667 00:35:26,699 --> 00:35:28,199 Room, a very safe space. 668 00:35:28,309 --> 00:35:32,239 Um, some of his views as they came out later, like, yeah, I don't love that. 669 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:33,249 Some of the things you support. 670 00:35:33,249 --> 00:35:33,739 I don't love that. 671 00:35:34,049 --> 00:35:38,479 But actually when he came to running a room of strangers of, 672 00:35:39,029 --> 00:35:41,739 you know, improvisers who are about to make themselves look silly, 673 00:35:41,749 --> 00:35:44,659 deliberately in front of people, like he did that quite well. 674 00:35:45,029 --> 00:35:47,529 and I, I went to a session when I was at my hippie thing. 675 00:35:48,059 --> 00:35:50,439 and I saw the extreme end of what that looks like. 676 00:35:50,599 --> 00:35:54,157 Uh, and it was really interesting, like the extreme end of, I'm going to 677 00:35:54,167 --> 00:35:57,517 look after you and you're not going to be made to feel foolish, even if, 678 00:35:57,707 --> 00:35:59,387 you know, I'm asking you to be silly. 679 00:35:59,387 --> 00:35:59,707 Like, 680 00:35:59,937 --> 00:36:00,667 it's really interesting. 681 00:36:01,178 --> 00:36:07,768 and then when you feel what that's like when, yeah, you're 682 00:36:07,768 --> 00:36:10,178 not quite held in that way. 683 00:36:11,388 --> 00:36:15,988 It's just, yeah, it's just less, just makes you want to go back less. 684 00:36:16,253 --> 00:36:16,673 Brendan: Yeah. 685 00:36:16,673 --> 00:36:16,933 Absolutely. 686 00:36:17,013 --> 00:36:17,723 Absolutely. 687 00:36:18,208 --> 00:36:18,518 Mark: Yeah. 688 00:36:18,893 --> 00:36:23,482 Brendan: So do you want to, uh, Do you want to, stop putting off what everybody 689 00:36:23,492 --> 00:36:25,482 is here for and, uh, and get to the 690 00:36:25,482 --> 00:36:26,192 real topic? 691 00:36:26,407 --> 00:36:27,327 Mark: Let's rip off the, 692 00:36:27,392 --> 00:36:28,092 Brendan: shaved your beard! 693 00:36:28,887 --> 00:36:30,247 Mark: yep, I did. 694 00:36:30,458 --> 00:36:31,108 yeah. 695 00:36:31,258 --> 00:36:33,348 Tuesday, I think I, I lopped it all off. 696 00:36:33,523 --> 00:36:34,233 Brendan: Wow. 697 00:36:34,323 --> 00:36:35,323 How long have you been growing it? 698 00:36:36,044 --> 00:36:39,064 Mark: this time since 2021, I think, 699 00:36:39,939 --> 00:36:40,759 Brendan: Wow. 700 00:36:41,594 --> 00:36:44,614 Mark: yeah, I think, I think it was 2021 when I, when I last got 701 00:36:44,614 --> 00:36:46,544 red and when I last saw my chins, 702 00:36:48,603 --> 00:36:49,393 here's this guy. 703 00:36:49,718 --> 00:36:52,258 Brendan: uh, anything in particular prompted, or? 704 00:36:52,303 --> 00:36:55,293 Mark: Yeah, it's kind of, um, maintenance because like 705 00:36:55,343 --> 00:36:56,903 in order for it to look. 706 00:36:57,923 --> 00:37:01,283 As good as I, as good as it can do, if I'm honest, cause it can look all right. 707 00:37:02,171 --> 00:37:07,451 the speed at which my beard grows is it's quite fast and it can, tends 708 00:37:07,451 --> 00:37:11,631 to grow outwards to the side, which is not a good look for me at all. 709 00:37:12,499 --> 00:37:16,086 and you know, it's, it's really hard to keep it sort of trim. 710 00:37:16,536 --> 00:37:18,966 and I don't know that I trust myself to do the grooming. 711 00:37:18,966 --> 00:37:22,496 Maybe, maybe I can get, I've got a good set of, of clippers. 712 00:37:22,496 --> 00:37:25,636 I've got, which is what I used to, to, you know, lop all of it off now. 713 00:37:25,866 --> 00:37:28,706 Well, I took a bunch of kitchen scissors to it first. 714 00:37:29,146 --> 00:37:29,606 Brendan: Mm hmm. 715 00:37:29,934 --> 00:37:34,711 Mark: and then, you know, and then, then the thing, And maybe I could 716 00:37:34,751 --> 00:37:37,581 get a bit of sculpting knowledge. 717 00:37:38,241 --> 00:37:42,231 I don't know, but it's like, it's, it's sometimes it's just, it's just, yeah, no. 718 00:37:42,991 --> 00:37:46,891 yeah, so I, it was, it was one of those, I was just like, yeah, from a 719 00:37:46,891 --> 00:37:49,891 maintenance issue, I probably look better. 720 00:37:51,681 --> 00:37:59,171 with it off, even with the chins than I do when three out of four weeks it's 721 00:37:59,171 --> 00:38:01,651 just like poof out to the side and I look 722 00:38:01,661 --> 00:38:03,921 Brendan: Uh, 723 00:38:04,631 --> 00:38:04,941 Mark: yeah. 724 00:38:07,481 --> 00:38:09,151 Brendan: I've I've never noticed that, but, 725 00:38:10,091 --> 00:38:10,721 Mark: Well, thank you. 726 00:38:13,211 --> 00:38:18,071 And also, you know, there is increasing an amount of salt in the salt and 727 00:38:18,071 --> 00:38:23,116 pepper beard, which And you know a fleck of that a a streak of that it's 728 00:38:23,116 --> 00:38:28,156 fine but actually like it does make me look a lot younger when I take 729 00:38:29,256 --> 00:38:31,526 Take off the uh, take off the beard. 730 00:38:31,616 --> 00:38:32,296 So yeah. 731 00:38:32,515 --> 00:38:36,415 Brendan: I sent you the, the, the salt parody of the James Hoffman video. 732 00:38:36,715 --> 00:38:41,275 There's salt, salt, salt, salt, salt, and salt. 733 00:38:43,775 --> 00:38:44,775 Yeah, I love that video. 734 00:38:44,885 --> 00:38:45,415 Okay, dude. 735 00:38:45,705 --> 00:38:46,185 It's time. 736 00:38:46,895 --> 00:38:48,895 We gotta, We gotta, do, we gotta do the song words. 737 00:38:48,935 --> 00:38:49,815 I'm so excited 738 00:38:49,850 --> 00:38:50,040 Mark: it. 739 00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:50,610 All right, 740 00:38:51,105 --> 00:38:52,405 Brendan: I've been, so excited. 741 00:38:52,530 --> 00:38:54,420 Mark: not song was it's it's it's legally 742 00:38:54,575 --> 00:38:55,175 Brendan: It's song. 743 00:38:55,220 --> 00:38:56,240 Mark: It's a melody battle 744 00:38:57,155 --> 00:38:57,415 Brendan: Melody Battle. 745 00:38:58,485 --> 00:38:59,735 It is time for Melody Battle. 746 00:38:59,735 --> 00:39:01,215 Tm, 747 00:39:01,215 --> 00:39:03,685 Tm, Tm. 748 00:39:04,005 --> 00:39:04,225 Mark: Yeah. 749 00:39:04,225 --> 00:39:04,755 Yeah, exactly. 750 00:39:06,415 --> 00:39:07,215 Brendan: Toontumult? 751 00:39:07,225 --> 00:39:07,785 Is that what you said? 752 00:39:08,485 --> 00:39:08,895 Mark: I did 753 00:39:11,925 --> 00:39:12,745 Brendan: Wonderful. 754 00:39:12,775 --> 00:39:13,515 Toontumult. 755 00:39:14,035 --> 00:39:14,545 Mark: tune tumult. 756 00:39:14,745 --> 00:39:17,745 Have you got any preamble for your song? 757 00:39:17,875 --> 00:39:22,965 So last week, uh listener we uh decided that the The theme for our first 758 00:39:22,965 --> 00:39:29,933 inaugural tune tumult tumult tumult was Gay the words game changer we, 759 00:39:29,943 --> 00:39:36,223 we had a memory disagreement in the, we remember, I remembered it wrong. 760 00:39:36,433 --> 00:39:40,193 Brendan remembered it right, but we both disobeyed the rule, uh, about duration. 761 00:39:40,233 --> 00:39:42,423 So, um, apart 762 00:39:42,498 --> 00:39:44,108 Brendan: Yeah, yeah, you didn't remember. 763 00:39:44,148 --> 00:39:46,458 I, I willingly defied the 764 00:39:46,473 --> 00:39:48,433 Mark: willingly, yeah, defied the rule. 765 00:39:48,835 --> 00:39:52,505 Brendan: Yeah, but we're, yeah, our plan, our plan is 90 seconds to 2 minutes ish. 766 00:39:53,152 --> 00:39:53,882 I think, I think, 767 00:39:53,882 --> 00:39:54,332 that's great. 768 00:39:54,577 --> 00:39:55,077 Mark: I think is good. 769 00:39:55,512 --> 00:39:58,634 Brendan: Yeah, which, which, which, like, totally fits. 770 00:39:59,034 --> 00:40:00,394 That's how I write songs anyway. 771 00:40:00,394 --> 00:40:05,314 I love, to write a short and, and to the point, like that was what lack of 772 00:40:05,314 --> 00:40:08,724 content was all about is like, it's just, we don't have long songs here. 773 00:40:08,734 --> 00:40:10,114 It's just, it's just, we're just short 774 00:40:10,114 --> 00:40:10,344 songs 775 00:40:11,084 --> 00:40:11,324 getting 776 00:40:11,324 --> 00:40:11,654 good out. 777 00:40:12,504 --> 00:40:12,944 Yeah. 778 00:40:13,417 --> 00:40:19,247 one, one thing I really love about the song that I wrote is 779 00:40:19,307 --> 00:40:22,327 a bunch of like inside jokes. 780 00:40:22,644 --> 00:40:27,484 just a bunch of little, uh, little lines that, mostly from that episode. 781 00:40:27,894 --> 00:40:31,164 but there's also some, some bigger reoccurring themes in there. 782 00:40:31,714 --> 00:40:36,054 And, I don't know, I just, I, I, I love how catchy the song is, 783 00:40:36,054 --> 00:40:37,374 and I haven't been able to stop. 784 00:40:37,829 --> 00:40:40,769 Singing it to myself and, and Mark and I have been singing 785 00:40:40,769 --> 00:40:41,789 it to each other and stuff. 786 00:40:41,789 --> 00:40:44,034 So, yeah, I present to you. 787 00:40:44,564 --> 00:40:45,174 Game changer. 788 00:40:45,287 --> 00:40:49,217 Songs: I've been playing by the rules, lost in the maze. 789 00:40:49,217 --> 00:40:53,107 Chasing shadows in a world that's just a phase. 790 00:40:53,277 --> 00:40:57,017 But now I'm breaking free, leaving all of the doubt. 791 00:40:57,257 --> 00:41:01,097 Ready to ignite the spark that's burning out. 792 00:41:01,667 --> 00:41:06,677 I see the colors fade, but I'm not afraid of stepping through the 793 00:41:06,677 --> 00:41:09,417 portal where my dreams are made. 794 00:41:09,597 --> 00:41:13,097 With every heartbeat, I'm rewriting my fate. 795 00:41:13,417 --> 00:41:17,266 It's time to rise up, I won't h h h hesitate. 796 00:41:17,267 --> 00:41:20,617 I'm a game changer, on an epic quest. 797 00:41:21,217 --> 00:41:24,877 Not making a high score, just giving my best. 798 00:41:25,187 --> 00:41:31,128 Walking through the fire, I'm ready to spark this convergence, oh lord. 799 00:41:31,128 --> 00:41:33,486 I'll light up the dark! 800 00:41:37,317 --> 00:41:41,047 Every quest in turn, I'm stronger inside. 801 00:41:41,247 --> 00:41:45,067 From the ashes I'll burn, I'm ready to ride. 802 00:41:45,287 --> 00:41:49,127 Through the trials and the tears, I'll embrace the fight. 803 00:41:49,317 --> 00:41:52,977 In this game of life, I'm chasing the light. 804 00:41:53,297 --> 00:41:56,597 I'm a game changer, on an epic quest. 805 00:41:57,167 --> 00:42:00,887 Not making the high score, just giving my best. 806 00:42:01,177 --> 00:42:04,627 Walking through the fire, I'm ready to start. 807 00:42:05,297 --> 00:42:19,909 This convergent cellar, a line of the dark. 808 00:42:20,022 --> 00:42:21,912 Mark: damn son, you've got some skills 809 00:42:21,992 --> 00:42:22,816 Brendan: Thank you mate. 810 00:42:22,951 --> 00:42:29,138 Mark: that is uh, wow I love how I love your soaring vocals. 811 00:42:29,168 --> 00:42:30,488 I love the positivity. 812 00:42:30,698 --> 00:42:33,948 I love the Yeah, i'm not making the high school. 813 00:42:33,948 --> 00:42:34,938 I'm just doing my best. 814 00:42:34,948 --> 00:42:39,029 I love the full throatedness of the singing and I love the I love how 815 00:42:39,029 --> 00:42:40,559 you've mixed that in at the end. 816 00:42:40,959 --> 00:42:43,089 Yeah, like that's that's some shit. 817 00:42:43,219 --> 00:42:46,319 I uh, I can't do um, that's really cool. 818 00:42:47,029 --> 00:42:50,169 That is that is fun That is a fun song 819 00:42:51,444 --> 00:42:55,294 Brendan: Yeah, I did use AI to help me out a little 820 00:42:55,529 --> 00:42:56,579 Mark: Really? 821 00:42:56,664 --> 00:42:57,314 Brendan: did. 822 00:42:57,564 --> 00:42:58,004 I did. 823 00:42:58,004 --> 00:42:58,624 I get I, 824 00:42:58,959 --> 00:43:00,309 Mark: I didn't expect that of you. 825 00:43:00,414 --> 00:43:01,504 Brendan: I know. 826 00:43:01,574 --> 00:43:01,724 I 827 00:43:01,859 --> 00:43:02,949 Mark: now go tell me about that. 828 00:43:03,527 --> 00:43:07,629 Brendan: so I, I, I wrote a bunch of the, the inside joke lines that 829 00:43:07,629 --> 00:43:09,669 I wanted to have incorporated. 830 00:43:09,974 --> 00:43:15,444 And I was like, Hey, chat GBT, can you just like fill this out a little bit? 831 00:43:15,624 --> 00:43:16,234 Yeah. 832 00:43:16,524 --> 00:43:22,730 And so all the lines that are kind of just like, not necessarily about the, the show 833 00:43:23,710 --> 00:43:24,160 Mark: Yes. 834 00:43:24,430 --> 00:43:26,110 Brendan: kind of just like fluff lines to get you 835 00:43:26,190 --> 00:43:26,500 Mark: Yeah. 836 00:43:26,500 --> 00:43:27,780 They're the mashed potatoes. 837 00:43:27,820 --> 00:43:28,200 Yeah, 838 00:43:28,510 --> 00:43:33,027 Brendan: yeah, yeah, yeah, the, the lines, like, that I'm really proud, I 839 00:43:33,027 --> 00:43:37,387 mean, obviously Game Changer, and that, and that having the, the topic, the, the, 840 00:43:37,417 --> 00:43:40,997 the style kind of be like chiptuney and 841 00:43:41,152 --> 00:43:41,292 Mark: Yep. 842 00:43:41,292 --> 00:43:41,482 Yep. 843 00:43:41,482 --> 00:43:41,802 Yep. 844 00:43:42,057 --> 00:43:46,084 Brendan: of, all of the lyrics kind of being gamified, that was, 845 00:43:46,144 --> 00:43:49,694 that was kind of my tweaking and yeah, not making the high score. 846 00:43:49,744 --> 00:43:52,384 I felt like that was, that was, cause that was something that we had talked 847 00:43:52,394 --> 00:43:55,754 about on the previous episode of like, I don't feel like I'm achieving a high 848 00:43:55,754 --> 00:43:58,194 score this round, this, this ego life. 849 00:43:58,744 --> 00:44:00,444 And so that was kind of in my head. 850 00:44:01,054 --> 00:44:03,574 walking through the fire was the documentary that we were talking 851 00:44:03,574 --> 00:44:04,924 about in the previous episode. 852 00:44:05,964 --> 00:44:08,494 obviously I threw convergence in there cause I thought that would be fun. 853 00:44:08,768 --> 00:44:13,160 Lighting up the dark to me was like enlightening somebody who's like 854 00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:14,690 keeping themselves in the dark. 855 00:44:16,130 --> 00:44:18,320 that was kind of my thought about around that. 856 00:44:18,663 --> 00:44:24,413 and then I had Through the trials and the tears was kind of an allusion to, the 857 00:44:24,413 --> 00:44:29,143 arbitration stuff that we went through and, yeah, there was a bunch of the, it 858 00:44:29,143 --> 00:44:33,213 was just, man, it was just so fun when it, it all just came together so quick. 859 00:44:33,733 --> 00:44:35,273 I finished it on day two, 860 00:44:35,598 --> 00:44:35,888 Mark: Yeah. 861 00:44:35,888 --> 00:44:38,688 I was going to say like you, cause you'd started it on Friday. 862 00:44:38,843 --> 00:44:39,423 Brendan: I started on a 863 00:44:39,698 --> 00:44:40,628 Mark: and then, wow. 864 00:44:40,628 --> 00:44:41,208 Amazing. 865 00:44:41,633 --> 00:44:42,513 Brendan: And I think I tweaked it. 866 00:44:43,303 --> 00:44:48,043 the next couple of days after that, but it was, it was like 99 percent done and 867 00:44:48,043 --> 00:44:50,103 I was just adding a little extra things. 868 00:44:50,933 --> 00:44:55,280 so I've been, I've been kind of working on some music stuff, for the past, 869 00:44:56,025 --> 00:45:01,947 A couple months I've had my head in the game of wanting to make music 870 00:45:01,947 --> 00:45:06,707 stuff since I did Mushrooms and, and wrote that poetry and was like, Oh, I 871 00:45:06,717 --> 00:45:08,937 really want to do something with this. 872 00:45:09,517 --> 00:45:12,543 And I'm working on that and working on that with, with Cameron and 873 00:45:12,543 --> 00:45:15,376 he's going to be helping me kind of, so he's an opera singer. 874 00:45:15,376 --> 00:45:17,986 He knows a lot about music theory and, and stuff. 875 00:45:18,006 --> 00:45:20,766 And like, we're going to kind of combine our skills to make something 876 00:45:20,766 --> 00:45:23,565 that's really, that's Weird, hopefully. 877 00:45:23,805 --> 00:45:25,305 Uh, I don't know. 878 00:45:25,335 --> 00:45:25,745 We'll see. 879 00:45:26,424 --> 00:45:27,334 I'm so glad you liked it. 880 00:45:27,584 --> 00:45:30,284 I've been, I've been so dying to play this for you. 881 00:45:30,294 --> 00:45:35,834 So, I'm, and I'm, I'm super excited to hear what, uh, what you've come 882 00:45:35,834 --> 00:45:37,514 up with and what's, what's going on. 883 00:45:37,534 --> 00:45:38,184 So tell me about it. 884 00:45:38,194 --> 00:45:39,374 What's the, what's the preamble? 885 00:45:39,374 --> 00:45:41,404 What's, what you got, what you got 886 00:45:41,444 --> 00:45:42,554 Mark: I might just hit play. 887 00:45:42,674 --> 00:45:44,824 and then, and then you can, we can, we can go from there. 888 00:45:45,164 --> 00:45:47,064 there is, less significance. 889 00:45:47,594 --> 00:45:49,684 this, all happened today. 890 00:45:50,454 --> 00:45:51,034 Brendan: Wonderful. 891 00:45:51,294 --> 00:45:54,714 Mark: the, idea came to me in the shower at the gym. 892 00:45:55,549 --> 00:45:56,569 Of what it was going to be. 893 00:45:56,989 --> 00:45:57,669 so here it is. 894 00:45:58,399 --> 00:45:59,279 It's called Game Changer 895 00:46:12,954 --> 00:46:13,454 Brendan: Mmm. 896 00:46:14,304 --> 00:46:14,954 Mmm. 897 00:46:22,971 --> 00:46:27,111 Songs: I'm sick of pretending to be a friendly, affable, nice guy, very 898 00:46:27,111 --> 00:46:29,561 mean, and it's time you all knew it. 899 00:46:30,381 --> 00:46:33,881 I'm going to say some things that I've wanted to say for a long time. 900 00:46:34,781 --> 00:46:37,431 Oh boy, these aren't my real thoughts. 901 00:46:38,041 --> 00:46:40,791 This is totally off the dome. 902 00:46:40,791 --> 00:46:44,311 If you wanna start a revolution, throw a six and climb the ladder, Add a tad 903 00:46:44,311 --> 00:46:48,531 of piss and adder, Matter points will drop the hammer if you climb before 904 00:46:48,571 --> 00:46:51,771 the adoration, Patient is the potion that'll heal a broken nation, Sticks 905 00:46:51,771 --> 00:46:55,931 and stones will break bones while I drop bombs, Rhymes like air drones 906 00:46:56,121 --> 00:47:00,681 delivering love from me to you, Now can I get a witness worthy of a cringe? 907 00:47:00,791 --> 00:47:02,161 Well, no doubt we're still sick. 908 00:47:02,181 --> 00:47:05,461 If you wanna make a ruckus, then a plan can be arranged, But better call me 909 00:47:05,461 --> 00:47:07,721 Samuraish because the game done changed. 910 00:47:07,741 --> 00:47:11,872 Hey, you've only just begun to pull the thread on this sweater! 911 00:47:11,872 --> 00:47:15,860 You would think in a game with only two possible correct choices, that 912 00:47:15,860 --> 00:47:20,418 one would stumble into the right answer every so often, wouldn't you? 913 00:47:20,418 --> 00:47:24,595 In fact, the probability of never guessing right in the full 914 00:47:24,595 --> 00:47:26,494 game is a statistical wonder! 915 00:47:26,494 --> 00:47:28,392 And yet, here we are! 916 00:47:28,392 --> 00:47:30,111 Oh, you made a podcast? 917 00:47:30,111 --> 00:47:32,001 Well, I've quit about a dozen, doesn't matter why. 918 00:47:32,021 --> 00:47:35,031 There ain't no way to stop this brain from buzzing, wasn't it yesterday I came up? 919 00:47:35,151 --> 00:47:37,571 So don't call me your discussant, cause I'll federate your mother! 920 00:47:37,891 --> 00:47:39,091 And I'll syndicate your cousin. 921 00:47:39,391 --> 00:47:41,691 Run him up on the open where my rhymes get slicker. 922 00:47:41,711 --> 00:47:43,121 Can I concatenate all of the characters? 923 00:47:43,121 --> 00:47:44,361 Gettin your calories countin quicker. 924 00:47:44,611 --> 00:47:46,683 I make it to Mac and my buttons up like the original Joysticker. 925 00:47:46,683 --> 00:47:47,497 Playin the game? 926 00:47:47,497 --> 00:47:49,811 I've been playin the game and my monitor don't even flicker. 927 00:47:49,811 --> 00:47:52,321 If you wanna take the king, you better drag him off the stage. 928 00:47:52,321 --> 00:47:55,201 But if you mischeck, mate, my dude, the game done changed. 929 00:47:57,764 --> 00:48:00,094 Brendan: Holy shit, dude! 930 00:48:00,109 --> 00:48:02,129 Oh, 931 00:48:03,729 --> 00:48:07,649 Mark: I was supposed to have done some work today and I didn't and I did 932 00:48:08,389 --> 00:48:10,199 Brendan: you did, you did better. 933 00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,789 Holy shit, dude. 934 00:48:13,529 --> 00:48:15,019 Wow. 935 00:48:17,649 --> 00:48:23,789 Oh my god, the, the, the, the, the Brennan and, and Rice quotes, the, 936 00:48:23,799 --> 00:48:26,049 the fucking, the rapping, dude. 937 00:48:26,049 --> 00:48:26,419 Like, 938 00:48:26,809 --> 00:48:28,329 that's some skills. 939 00:48:28,329 --> 00:48:30,769 I had, I had no idea you had that in you. 940 00:48:30,839 --> 00:48:31,889 Holy 941 00:48:33,479 --> 00:48:34,019 shit. 942 00:48:34,029 --> 00:48:34,909 Did you do the whistling? 943 00:48:35,444 --> 00:48:36,304 Mark: no, no, no, no. 944 00:48:36,745 --> 00:48:41,095 that I was, I was trying to find something suitably Dixieland vintage. 945 00:48:41,095 --> 00:48:41,485 So that is 946 00:48:41,580 --> 00:48:42,110 Brendan: Mm hmm. 947 00:48:42,575 --> 00:48:44,575 Mark: not a sample, but yeah, it's royalty free 948 00:48:44,890 --> 00:48:46,850 Brendan: incredible, dude. 949 00:48:47,470 --> 00:48:49,420 Holy shit. 950 00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:50,790 I'm blown away. 951 00:48:51,650 --> 00:48:52,480 I love it. 952 00:48:53,425 --> 00:48:54,765 Mark: Yeah, it was fun writing those lyrics. 953 00:48:54,870 --> 00:48:55,340 Brendan: damn. 954 00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:58,540 No, no, no, no, no, no, no. 955 00:48:58,540 --> 00:48:59,660 Oh my, wow. 956 00:48:59,910 --> 00:49:02,060 I'm gonna be, that's gonna be on a repeat. 957 00:49:02,780 --> 00:49:04,220 Holy shit. 958 00:49:04,610 --> 00:49:05,770 You gotta, you gotta send me that. 959 00:49:06,340 --> 00:49:09,700 Are we, we gotta, we, uh, are we gonna like post these to a 960 00:49:10,050 --> 00:49:11,520 YouTube channel or something? 961 00:49:11,565 --> 00:49:12,985 Mark: Something, um, yeah. 962 00:49:13,005 --> 00:49:13,905 So, I, 963 00:49:16,125 --> 00:49:18,255 So, Hi, I started a blog today. 964 00:49:18,761 --> 00:49:20,571 Brendan: Hello, Mark Steadman of the new, the new 965 00:49:20,871 --> 00:49:25,391 Mark: of the new blog, because I wanted a place to put, like, stuff like this, 966 00:49:25,501 --> 00:49:30,831 and, just, like, talk about the weird and the wonderful and all the, the stuff 967 00:49:30,861 --> 00:49:32,901 that I'm into and, like, care about. 968 00:49:33,410 --> 00:49:34,410 last week, 969 00:49:34,490 --> 00:49:40,990 Brendan: Holy shit, I am fucking, I cannot, that's incredible. 970 00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:44,630 I thought I had such, I had a, I thought I had the winner, 971 00:49:44,755 --> 00:49:45,715 Mark: It's not a competition. 972 00:49:45,745 --> 00:49:46,955 This is not a competition. 973 00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:48,560 Brendan: It's a tumult. 974 00:49:48,955 --> 00:49:49,765 Mark: it's a tumult. 975 00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:51,530 Brendan: Actually, I don't even know what a tumult 976 00:49:51,805 --> 00:49:53,555 Mark: No, I think, I think we're using the word wrong. 977 00:49:54,335 --> 00:49:55,125 but yeah. 978 00:49:57,824 --> 00:50:02,014 Brendan: loud, confused noise, especially one caused by a large mass of people. 979 00:50:02,304 --> 00:50:02,884 Mark: Oh, there you go. 980 00:50:03,004 --> 00:50:03,624 Yeah, that that 981 00:50:03,684 --> 00:50:04,924 Brendan: And that actually works. 982 00:50:05,314 --> 00:50:05,904 Mark: It's pretty good. 983 00:50:06,614 --> 00:50:08,654 Um, it's definitely a confused noise 984 00:50:11,564 --> 00:50:12,224 Brendan: Toon tumult. 985 00:50:13,014 --> 00:50:13,894 Mark: Yes, so 986 00:50:14,014 --> 00:50:14,564 Brendan: See you blog. 987 00:50:14,994 --> 00:50:16,004 Mark: a few weeks ago 988 00:50:16,334 --> 00:50:16,704 Brendan: Uh huh. 989 00:50:16,714 --> 00:50:21,784 Mark: talked about A website called web3 is going just great 990 00:50:21,954 --> 00:50:23,064 Brendan: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 991 00:50:23,104 --> 00:50:24,364 Mark: written by molly white. 992 00:50:24,844 --> 00:50:31,074 who I hope it is not Problematic to say Definitely going to be my future wife. 993 00:50:31,504 --> 00:50:34,924 Um, the, I'm sure there are lots of people who would, who would say the same. 994 00:50:34,974 --> 00:50:35,214 She's 995 00:50:35,214 --> 00:50:35,484 just wonderful. 996 00:50:36,074 --> 00:50:41,384 Um, she's just, she's just my kind of person in, in, in, and what I mean by that 997 00:50:41,444 --> 00:50:44,624 is she gave this talk at XOXO, last week. 998 00:50:44,984 --> 00:50:45,994 About the open web. 999 00:50:46,414 --> 00:50:50,014 and I, I make the joke about her being, my, my future wife. 1000 00:50:50,044 --> 00:50:53,219 I think she's probably about 10 to 15 years. 1001 00:50:53,219 --> 00:50:57,944 No, not that many years, my junior, but I think, I think she might be late 1002 00:50:58,254 --> 00:51:02,494 twenties, early thirties, which is all the more interesting considering she 1003 00:51:02,504 --> 00:51:07,354 is a proponent of the web as people like me, and perhaps you remember it. 1004 00:51:07,834 --> 00:51:08,264 Brendan: Right. 1005 00:51:08,270 --> 00:51:13,195 Mark: which is full of independent stuff, full of weird stuff, full of stuff that 1006 00:51:13,195 --> 00:51:18,095 we own ourselves, rather than, you know, on platforms that we've given over. 1007 00:51:18,095 --> 00:51:24,451 So, you know, fuck Medium, fuck Substack with its support of Nazis, fuck, you 1008 00:51:24,451 --> 00:51:27,341 know, all, all of these different systems. 1009 00:51:27,506 --> 00:51:30,876 you know, Facebook and X and all that bullshit. 1010 00:51:31,630 --> 00:51:36,610 Not that it's all bad, but like just that sense of recognizing a 1011 00:51:36,610 --> 00:51:38,610 web that we felt like we owned. 1012 00:51:38,700 --> 00:51:39,800 And then we felt that that was ours. 1013 00:51:40,690 --> 00:51:40,860 Brendan: Mm 1014 00:51:41,090 --> 00:51:44,949 Mark: And, you know, she talked about building websites in, in, you know, 1015 00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,806 like hand coding stuff in Neo pets. 1016 00:51:48,036 --> 00:51:52,296 And then in my space and like, just the idea of making stuff that's weird and it's 1017 00:51:52,296 --> 00:51:53,706 yours and it's all that kind of stuff. 1018 00:51:54,386 --> 00:51:56,996 And I was, I just watched the talk and I thought this brilliant. 1019 00:51:57,016 --> 00:51:58,046 This is just like, yes. 1020 00:51:58,106 --> 00:52:00,716 And my ax just like I'm thoroughly behind this. 1021 00:52:01,216 --> 00:52:03,946 and it's just, there's been a few things that have been slotting 1022 00:52:04,046 --> 00:52:07,086 into place in terms of wanting to. 1023 00:52:08,586 --> 00:52:12,886 Have a place to talk about that stuff, have a place to share, 1024 00:52:13,116 --> 00:52:17,914 share the stuff that I think is interesting and, Pres like, yeah, 1025 00:52:17,924 --> 00:52:19,164 thinking about preserving the web. 1026 00:52:19,164 --> 00:52:20,974 Like, that's, you know, that's why there's a little allusion to 1027 00:52:20,974 --> 00:52:22,374 it in the, in the, in the track. 1028 00:52:22,384 --> 00:52:25,334 Like, when I'm upon the open web, my rhymes get slicker because 1029 00:52:25,334 --> 00:52:29,454 like, I, you know, I kind of, you know, make a little nod to that. 1030 00:52:29,862 --> 00:52:34,612 and so, yeah, I set up a little, blog, um, in my writing, hour 1031 00:52:34,612 --> 00:52:35,962 that I facilitate on a Friday. 1032 00:52:36,382 --> 00:52:39,632 I just use that to get it set up on ghost and write, write a quick post. 1033 00:52:40,208 --> 00:52:43,477 and so, you know, stuff like this, I've also, I've also posted an 1034 00:52:43,477 --> 00:52:46,817 episode of Convergence to it because like, I don't really talk about 1035 00:52:46,817 --> 00:52:48,717 Convergence and I'm so happy with it. 1036 00:52:48,717 --> 00:52:49,557 It's such a good show. 1037 00:52:49,899 --> 00:52:53,289 and so, you know, posting a little blog post for each episode as, as 1038 00:52:53,299 --> 00:52:57,959 it comes out and yes, with your, I don't know, uh, permission is the 1039 00:52:57,959 --> 00:52:59,219 right word, but with your blessing, 1040 00:53:00,049 --> 00:53:00,499 Brendan: Blessed. 1041 00:53:01,019 --> 00:53:04,749 Mark: I think I would like to put the songs on maybe, and I was thinking 1042 00:53:04,749 --> 00:53:08,599 about this, so I'm toying with, and I don't expect anyone to sign up for 1043 00:53:08,599 --> 00:53:11,129 it, but I just thought I'll make the infrastructure there, and then I can 1044 00:53:11,129 --> 00:53:15,419 think about it at a later point, of like, you know, people want to throw in some 1045 00:53:15,419 --> 00:53:17,379 money to just say we like what you do. 1046 00:53:17,729 --> 00:53:18,089 Brendan: hmm. 1047 00:53:18,949 --> 00:53:22,239 Mark: Then I was like, for those people, maybe they get it super early. 1048 00:53:22,679 --> 00:53:24,999 There's the song, maybe they get it, I don't know. 1049 00:53:25,009 --> 00:53:28,509 But yeah, so, but yeah, I definitely liked the idea of, of, of putting 1050 00:53:28,539 --> 00:53:31,523 the song up there, we can, like you said, put it up on YouTube. 1051 00:53:31,593 --> 00:53:33,794 We can, hey, in fact, this could be fun. 1052 00:53:34,314 --> 00:53:34,994 If we use something like Amuse. 1053 00:53:36,794 --> 00:53:37,284 Brendan: Mm hmm. 1054 00:53:37,494 --> 00:53:39,064 Oh, I'd definitely, I'd love to do that. 1055 00:53:39,064 --> 00:53:41,494 You'd have to, I don't know if you don't need to get rights 1056 00:53:41,504 --> 00:53:42,694 for those samples or not, 1057 00:53:42,754 --> 00:53:45,464 Mark: Uh, the samples I'm okay with, because they're royalty free. 1058 00:53:45,844 --> 00:53:48,364 I think apples you're all ready, You're all always good for. 1059 00:53:48,554 --> 00:53:51,424 The Brennan and thingy would have to, yeah, they'd have to go. 1060 00:53:51,854 --> 00:53:52,584 Brendan: Oh, that's what I meant. 1061 00:53:52,604 --> 00:53:53,264 Yeah, yeah, 1062 00:53:53,264 --> 00:53:53,414 Yeah, 1063 00:53:53,494 --> 00:53:53,814 Mark: yes. 1064 00:53:53,854 --> 00:53:54,074 yeah, 1065 00:53:54,074 --> 00:53:55,024 yeah, they'd have to go. 1066 00:53:56,034 --> 00:53:57,944 Unless I, I could revoice them. 1067 00:53:58,144 --> 00:53:58,444 Brendan: yeah. 1068 00:53:58,444 --> 00:53:58,774 yeah. 1069 00:53:59,044 --> 00:53:59,254 You 1070 00:53:59,254 --> 00:53:59,494 yeah. 1071 00:53:59,494 --> 00:53:59,584 You 1072 00:53:59,594 --> 00:54:02,564 Mark: yeah, yeah, Uh, but there's some, there's some options there. 1073 00:54:02,674 --> 00:54:04,684 Cause I definitely do like the idea. 1074 00:54:04,684 --> 00:54:07,294 Like if we're going to keep doing this, they, you know, they do 1075 00:54:07,294 --> 00:54:08,574 need to be collected and preserved 1076 00:54:08,614 --> 00:54:13,594 and, and made whole into their own little thing, um, so that, yeah, people can. 1077 00:54:14,134 --> 00:54:19,494 I went back to, so there used to be a show called flat 29's big 1078 00:54:19,504 --> 00:54:21,644 book of everything, which is still. 1079 00:54:21,724 --> 00:54:22,174 Brendan: Okay. 1080 00:54:22,234 --> 00:54:23,504 Mark: Uh, available online. 1081 00:54:23,514 --> 00:54:27,774 And it was these three young lads from the UK. 1082 00:54:28,034 --> 00:54:31,264 I think they were like uni, university friends, and then they kind of stayed 1083 00:54:31,264 --> 00:54:34,554 in touch and they made this, they used to do little bits of internet 1084 00:54:34,554 --> 00:54:36,594 japery, um, and they had this show. 1085 00:54:37,479 --> 00:54:43,869 I only found out about it because I used to very briefly run a podcast review site. 1086 00:54:43,979 --> 00:54:45,899 I was possibly one of the earlier ones doing it. 1087 00:54:46,407 --> 00:54:46,587 I 1088 00:54:46,732 --> 00:54:48,322 Brendan: did too, but that was not one of the early ones. 1089 00:54:48,747 --> 00:54:50,317 Mark: no, well, yeah, yeah. 1090 00:54:50,512 --> 00:54:52,032 this was 2009. 1091 00:54:52,232 --> 00:54:56,332 and I gave someone an excoriating review. 1092 00:54:56,547 --> 00:54:57,087 Brendan: Mm. 1093 00:54:57,117 --> 00:54:57,147 Uhhuh 1094 00:54:57,462 --> 00:55:01,984 Mark: In a very internet, keyboard warrior kind of way. 1095 00:55:02,284 --> 00:55:03,314 It was a shitty review. 1096 00:55:03,703 --> 00:55:06,983 but it was also kind of a shitty podcast, uh, made by people 1097 00:55:06,983 --> 00:55:09,573 who had access to do better. 1098 00:55:10,013 --> 00:55:10,773 and they read it. 1099 00:55:10,993 --> 00:55:15,323 Um, and I think like one of them was a comedian, the other one was not. 1100 00:55:15,843 --> 00:55:19,513 And I think the comedian kind of quite sanguine and, you know, fine. 1101 00:55:19,918 --> 00:55:22,918 But the other guy, I think he was like hurt by it. 1102 00:55:23,048 --> 00:55:26,348 Like he, he didn't see, he was kind of, yeah. 1103 00:55:26,458 --> 00:55:29,598 Like, cause he kept picking, like I'd misspelled the word and he kept 1104 00:55:29,598 --> 00:55:31,268 like picking it apart and stuff. 1105 00:55:31,268 --> 00:55:33,898 And like, he really, yeah, he really didn't like it. 1106 00:55:34,344 --> 00:55:40,294 I completely lost my bottle, sorry, that's a British phrase, I completely, like, 1107 00:55:40,304 --> 00:55:46,444 lost my nerve, and I even changed my internet name for a long time, like, I, I 1108 00:55:46,674 --> 00:55:50,124 really, I got no blowback, I mean, I just, I think I just felt, I 1109 00:55:50,124 --> 00:55:54,254 felt bad, and I felt like that had, oh, that had an impact, like, that 1110 00:55:54,414 --> 00:55:55,284 Brendan: Yep, yep, yep, 1111 00:55:55,284 --> 00:55:55,524 yep. 1112 00:55:56,029 --> 00:55:57,169 And I didn't like how it felt. 1113 00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:58,729 Mark: And I didn't like how it felt. 1114 00:56:00,149 --> 00:56:00,179 Brendan: Uhhuh. 1115 00:56:00,469 --> 00:56:01,769 Mark: yes, yes, it is. 1116 00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,584 that site, while it was up, a guy from flat 29 wrote to me 1117 00:56:06,584 --> 00:56:07,474 and said, we have this podcast. 1118 00:56:07,534 --> 00:56:08,194 And I started listening to it. 1119 00:56:08,194 --> 00:56:09,504 I don't really, I enjoyed it. 1120 00:56:10,094 --> 00:56:13,984 you know, there are bits that are like a bit naive and a bit like, you 1121 00:56:13,984 --> 00:56:17,764 know, whatever, but there was some good stuff in there and they used 1122 00:56:17,764 --> 00:56:21,677 to make a song, I think every week, three, I can't remember if it was. 1123 00:56:22,417 --> 00:56:26,197 It might have been not each one of them made a song each week. 1124 00:56:26,197 --> 00:56:27,497 I think it might have cycled. 1125 00:56:28,980 --> 00:56:32,210 Whichever way I know one of one of the three of them was not necessarily 1126 00:56:33,345 --> 00:56:37,875 The, the musician of the group, but the other two kind of were, and there 1127 00:56:37,875 --> 00:56:43,155 was one that I think back to a lot because it was an absolute banger. 1128 00:56:44,265 --> 00:56:49,595 unfortunately they used, so when they put it on the podcast, they used music 1129 00:56:49,605 --> 00:56:51,135 that they did not have the royalty 1130 00:56:51,270 --> 00:56:51,750 Brendan: Yeah. 1131 00:56:51,845 --> 00:56:52,765 Mark: great melody. 1132 00:56:53,870 --> 00:56:56,145 and it's so, it was so catchy. 1133 00:56:56,500 --> 00:56:59,700 And it was just like this a little bit like the, you know, the, the 1134 00:56:59,700 --> 00:57:02,530 sort of not Dixieland, but like, it was a kind of a, you know, 1135 00:57:02,610 --> 00:57:04,840 1920s kind of jazzy kind of thing. 1136 00:57:04,884 --> 00:57:07,934 it, they, they, they wrote their own lyrics and it was like Marjorie. 1137 00:57:08,164 --> 00:57:12,173 So, so the, the, the premise was, it was a love song for an octogenarian. 1138 00:57:12,722 --> 00:57:16,892 And so it's like Marjorie, I get a funny feeling when you look at me, 1139 00:57:17,272 --> 00:57:20,322 baby, I can see what's going on. 1140 00:57:20,352 --> 00:57:23,172 I just want to find the time to make your mind Marjorie. 1141 00:57:23,652 --> 00:57:25,552 It's, it was just such a little bop. 1142 00:57:25,602 --> 00:57:27,002 And then there's a rap and all that kind of stuff. 1143 00:57:27,002 --> 00:57:29,292 So it was definitely kind of challenge channeling a little bit. 1144 00:57:29,749 --> 00:57:32,949 what they ended up doing is they released a little album on 1145 00:57:32,959 --> 00:57:34,979 iTunes as it was back in the day. 1146 00:57:35,349 --> 00:57:38,679 and they had to, that one, they had to swap out the melody and it just wasn't 1147 00:57:38,679 --> 00:57:42,639 quite as memorable, but yeah, like, you know, that's a, that's something 1148 00:57:42,639 --> 00:57:44,349 we can, we can do and have fun with. 1149 00:57:44,569 --> 00:57:46,469 I mean, let's see how we are in two weeks time. 1150 00:57:48,245 --> 00:57:48,393 but 1151 00:57:48,393 --> 00:57:48,823 yeah, 1152 00:57:48,838 --> 00:57:49,828 Brendan: if we can keep up this. 1153 00:57:49,828 --> 00:57:52,918 Uh, but, but like fucking out of the gate, dude. 1154 00:57:53,128 --> 00:57:54,928 Like this is some quality shit. 1155 00:57:56,568 --> 00:57:57,238 Oh my god, 1156 00:57:57,616 --> 00:57:58,136 Mark: I had fun. 1157 00:57:58,166 --> 00:58:01,906 I kept, cause I was, I was doing some client work today and I kept like having 1158 00:58:01,906 --> 00:58:04,746 little lyric ideas in my head and I had to pause what I was doing and go 1159 00:58:04,746 --> 00:58:09,156 and write them down and try and find, you know, all these little, you know, 1160 00:58:09,186 --> 00:58:11,826 cause there's little internal rhymes and all that kind of stuff in there. 1161 00:58:11,826 --> 00:58:11,956 I've 1162 00:58:11,956 --> 00:58:13,546 never written anything quite so fast. 1163 00:58:14,406 --> 00:58:14,916 Brendan: Yeah. 1164 00:58:15,286 --> 00:58:17,866 Mark: yeah, so that was a challenge and I didn't think 1165 00:58:17,866 --> 00:58:19,066 I'd be able to do it at speed. 1166 00:58:19,245 --> 00:58:24,957 But most part no way it was all at speed like I had to take a couple of takes 1167 00:58:25,947 --> 00:58:27,217 Because breathing is difficult. 1168 00:58:27,467 --> 00:58:27,747 But 1169 00:58:29,402 --> 00:58:30,242 Brendan: Wow, dude. 1170 00:58:30,342 --> 00:58:31,492 I am so impressed. 1171 00:58:32,072 --> 00:58:33,692 I I I fucking love it. 1172 00:58:33,742 --> 00:58:34,662 Holy shit. 1173 00:58:36,932 --> 00:58:38,312 I'm a bit speechless. 1174 00:58:38,352 --> 00:58:39,462 I'm just blown away. 1175 00:58:39,922 --> 00:58:40,092 I 1176 00:58:40,537 --> 00:58:40,807 Mark: no, no, 1177 00:58:41,802 --> 00:58:43,602 Brendan: really thought I was going to win this thing. 1178 00:58:46,732 --> 00:58:47,512 Not that it's a competition. 1179 00:58:47,512 --> 00:58:47,792 It's not 1180 00:58:47,792 --> 00:58:47,842 a 1181 00:58:47,842 --> 00:58:48,462 competition. 1182 00:58:48,462 --> 00:58:48,702 I know. 1183 00:58:48,787 --> 00:58:49,667 Mark: No, this is competition. 1184 00:58:51,492 --> 00:58:52,652 Brendan: I was like, Oh shit, I'm going first. 1185 00:58:52,652 --> 00:58:53,172 Sorry, man. 1186 00:58:53,642 --> 00:58:54,292 But, uh, 1187 00:58:56,277 --> 00:58:56,547 Mark: I love it. 1188 00:58:56,877 --> 00:58:57,577 I love it. 1189 00:58:58,107 --> 00:58:59,947 Brendan: But no, I've, I've been, I've been humbled. 1190 00:59:00,387 --> 00:59:04,997 Mark: I was, no, well, to be honest, I was expecting, This is one of, one of 1191 00:59:05,437 --> 00:59:09,567 the great, the great worries is like, you do something that's really earnest 1192 00:59:09,597 --> 00:59:11,727 and, and, which you did, it was earnest, 1193 00:59:12,047 --> 00:59:15,037 but like, that's like deeply emotionally resonant. 1194 00:59:15,037 --> 00:59:17,297 And then I come along with my silly rap song. 1195 00:59:17,307 --> 00:59:19,067 Like that was very much a risk. 1196 00:59:19,497 --> 00:59:23,807 Brendan: No, it's pretty I, I just fucking love how we came at it from different 1197 00:59:23,857 --> 00:59:25,327 Mark: Completely different angles. 1198 00:59:25,447 --> 00:59:26,077 Brendan: Yeah. 1199 00:59:26,237 --> 00:59:26,897 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1200 00:59:26,897 --> 00:59:30,547 No, I super, I super loved your, your Game Changer quotes and, and 1201 00:59:30,547 --> 00:59:32,917 the Brennan rants and Oh my god. 1202 00:59:32,937 --> 00:59:38,622 I, I, uh I, I saw somebody did a little like, uh, of one of those rants. 1203 00:59:38,622 --> 00:59:41,502 Somebody did an animated version of it on YouTube. 1204 00:59:41,502 --> 00:59:46,812 And I, I, I think about that occasionally because it's just so, man, his 1205 00:59:46,812 --> 00:59:49,852 rants, uh, that, that dude is just, 1206 00:59:50,472 --> 00:59:51,072 yeah. 1207 00:59:51,202 --> 00:59:52,362 Like you said, it's a phenom. 1208 00:59:52,652 --> 00:59:53,752 It's just incredible. 1209 00:59:54,197 --> 00:59:54,447 Mark: Yeah. 1210 00:59:54,741 --> 00:59:55,521 Get in the comments. 1211 00:59:55,956 --> 00:59:56,506 there you go. 1212 00:59:57,376 --> 00:59:58,536 Get in the comments. 1213 00:59:59,456 --> 01:00:00,376 I'm hungry now. 1214 01:00:00,851 --> 01:00:07,781 Brendan: Oh yeah, oh wow, um, I, uh, correct me if I'm wrong, as always, 1215 01:00:19,776 --> 01:00:20,116 print. 1216 01:00:27,184 --> 01:00:31,694 But what I, what I really mean is, um, 1217 01:00:35,364 --> 01:00:35,854 Oh, I lost it. 1218 01:00:35,855 --> 01:00:38,095 Uh,