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what is up everybody I am

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the chairman of the usdn

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where we are for the people

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by the people and of the

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people tonight I have three

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special guests coming on to

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join us all from the dfpn

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family let me introduce

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them to you I have first up

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halen from the queens of

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nerdom jen hello welcome next up

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I have, I don't know where he's from,

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but he's here.

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He's our blast from the past.

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And he's our blast from the past.

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We have Chris.

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And last, certainly not least,

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he is my brother from another mother.

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I love this man with all my

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heart and soul.

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I present my main man, Black.

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My whole room just went green.

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I have no idea why.

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That better mean we're

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coming into some money.

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Are we coming into money?

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Is that a sign?

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Jesus?

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Is this a sign?

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I hope so.

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You and me both.

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welcome welcome everyone uh

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this is going to be our

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last don't cry uh show for

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our spooky season um I've

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had so much fun uh doing

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this with everyone uh it

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has been a blast you know

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my little dark heart has

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been so happy talking about

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all these horror movies and

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everything and I can't wait

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to do it again next year um

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that being said hey chris yes

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What monster likes to dance at a party?

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Which monster likes to dance at a party?

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A boogeyman.

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As a dad, I'm offended by some of these.

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I'm going to be honest.

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I got nothing on that.

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Hey, Black.

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Why do ghosts hate rainy?

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Why do ghosts hate rainy Halloween?

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Oh, why?

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It dampens their spirits.

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Oh, my God.

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Bro, bro.

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All right.

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Yeah.

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Wait, wait, wait, wait.

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Okay.

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Jeff.

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Why don't why don't mummies gossip?

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Why?

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Because they don't want to get a bad rap.

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You're fired.

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Holy shit.

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welcome back we missed you

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hope I'm glad nobody left

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because of the dad jokes

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you literally ran everybody

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off I had more but I just

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stopped come back okay fine

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they'll come back they'll

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come back I have one I'll

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save it for the end of the

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show though okay you sure

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Okay.

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You're like.

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Okay.

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All right.

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So.

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What is the boogeyman?

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Well.

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Little did you know, I didn't know,

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there's actually no clear

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and specific description.

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Only that it's thought of as

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either masculine or an androgynous thing.

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But even that,

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it varies from different cultures.

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It is probably the only

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creature of its kind that

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spans the entire world.

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Now,

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usually they fall into three categories.

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The first category being it

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punishes children who misbehave.

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The second category is a

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boogeyman that is violent

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and malicious against

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anyone unfortunate enough

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to cross their path.

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And the third one is a

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boogeyman that protects.

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I don't know what that is, but anyways.

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But in my mind,

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a boogeyman is the

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personification of one's fears,

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a terror incarnate and the

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embodiment of all things evil.

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That's scary.

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Makes sense.

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The Protect is a new one.

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I don't think I've ever heard that before.

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I don't think I have either.

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You know,

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there's only one that kind of

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comes to mind.

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It could be way off what I think.

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Anyways,

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we can roll into the movies if you

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guys want.

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The one movie where I think

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it might sort of kind of

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protect or might actually

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just be a projection is,

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has anybody seen... Hey, there's Willie.

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Um the babadook Yes,

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that was actually one of

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the ones I wrote down for

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famous boogeyman Oh, really?

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Yeah Um,

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I made a list you made a list I did um,

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so it came out in two thousand fourteen,

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uh, I believe it is um from um, australia,

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um originally um

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This movie was kind of weird.

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First of all,

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I wanted to strangle this

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child very lovingly, like with hugs,

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of course.

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I would never want to

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have... With your hands around his throat,

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got it.

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Yes, very nice big squeeze.

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But as you kind of go along

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through the movie, I kind of feel like...

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This is like the projection

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of this woman's grief,

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like losing her husband.

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And I think one of the lessons,

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I think the director,

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if I remember correctly,

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somebody correct me if I'm wrong,

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is that you can't ignore your trauma.

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You can't ignore your grief.

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You can't ignore those emotions.

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You can't ignore them

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because they will come back

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and punch you in the face.

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Even after I feel like she

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acknowledged this,

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she kept it in the basement,

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but she fed it.

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She acknowledged it,

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and it was still there.

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Jeff, Babadook, what do you think?

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Great movie.

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It really explores the human

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emotion side of it because

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this was a projection of

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her pent-in emotion to me.

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Yeah.

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I liked it.

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I mean,

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it was a typical spin on the

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boogeyman story,

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but it was enjoyable and it

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was from Australia.

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So I like that kind of stuff.

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I like funny accents like mine.

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I went full Alabama in there.

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I like the way you talk.

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You sure do got pretty mild.

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It is spooky season, so yeah,

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I'm going a little dark, okay?

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No, I thought it was good.

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It came out at the right time, too.

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I think that hit us around

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the same time as all of the

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quote-unquote folk horror, right?

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Midsommar, Hereditary,

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a lot of the real kind of artsy films.

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That's a good one, though.

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Hereditary?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, great movies.

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It was an offshoot, right?

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It's like that weird, you know,

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like getting in the mouth

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of madness in the middle of

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a slasher craze.

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It's like, you know,

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who would have thought that

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this would work?

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Yeah, I'm with you.

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I'm kind of with you, maybe.

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I hated The Little Boy.

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I think most kids in horror

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movies are obnoxious as

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hell because if they're teenagers,

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they're snarky.

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And if they're little,

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they're stupid and don't listen.

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which is why we end up with

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things like vampires and crap.

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But no, I think, you know,

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talking about it from the

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emotional standpoint,

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anything that deals with

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grief in a way that's

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entertaining is probably

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far better than most.

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I think the only other one

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that may even come close to touching it,

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and it's not even really a horror movie,

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would be Dolores Claiborne.

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I loved it.

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I thought it was solid.

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I actually watched it weeks

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ago while I was going

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through Shudder because

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that's where I spend all of my time now.

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We noticed.

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Yeah.

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It's a problem.

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It's a good problem to have, though.

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It is.

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Fuck.

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Thoughts on the Babadook?

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The, and I try to keep,

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I try to keep my comments

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not quite in the same lane, but the,

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the depression and the bottling in of,

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of being, trying to be perfect,

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trying to try to make sure

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like everything's well kept

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and together and the pressure of that,

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just breaking someone is

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something like that's very real.

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You can feel that on any spectrum.

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Right.

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And the ability to draw that

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emotion and make that tie

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in and make it feel as real

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as it is because yeah,

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the kid's a little shit,

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but you know what I mean?

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Like the parenting part of it is like,

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I want this to be,

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I want this to be good.

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I want this to be wholesome.

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And just wanting that is

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pretty much what drove the,

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the insanity out.

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So very, very solid movie,

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very solid movie.

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I like what you said.

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I don't know her name.

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But that woman that played the mom.

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You could.

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It was palpable.

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You could feel it.

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You could feel her.

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Just grief and everything.

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And everything that she was going through.

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I'm glad you pointed that out.

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It was very dark.

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I love that.

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That was a female directed film too.

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If I remember correctly.

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Which is probably why they

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were able to touch on that.

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as well as they were.

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I didn't know that.

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Jennifer Kent, writer and director.

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That's dope.

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I always like to see that.

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That's really dope.

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Another one,

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if you don't agree with me

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that it's more like a boogeyman,

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we don't have to talk about

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it because what I feel like

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is a boogeyman might be

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different than what other people think.

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But that's the great part

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about the boogeyman.

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There's so many definitions

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and so many different

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things out there that kind

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of fall into this category.

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It doesn't like everybody's

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boogeyman is different.

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Yeah, it's very broad.

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I agree.

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So the movie It Follows, um, um,

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I think her name is, uh, Maika Monroe.

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I adore this girl.

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Like she's just her young lady.

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She's just amazing.

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Um,

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I guess that would be more

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like a sexual boogeyman,

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I guess you could say.

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The creepy thing is,

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and I've watched this movie

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several times.

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There's a lot of people that are like,

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this movie sucks.

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And I was like, really?

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I really liked it.

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Just the fact that you

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bumped uglies with somebody

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and now there's this

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supernatural creature

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coming for you and you're

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the only one that can see it.

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And then it will actually look like...

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people you know and you care

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about and you love and it's

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coming for you and That's

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literally that one of the

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definitions of a boogeyman

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is that it punishes you

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Based on different things

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right like naughty children

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This one just so happens to

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be a sex demon, I guess Yeah, and

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And you know,

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one of the reasons why I do

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like this movie is that you

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actually get to see what

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happens when it catches someone.

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Because I think her

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character in Bumpin' Ugly

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is with one of the neighbors, friends,

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whatever.

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Yeah.

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Poor guy didn't take her seriously,

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and he got caught.

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And that was gross.

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I was like, ew.

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But anyhow, before I say too much, Black,

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you want to go first this time?

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What do you think about it?

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I've never seen this movie,

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but this sounds like

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something I need to watch.

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Especially if somebody's

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bumping uglies and terrible

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shit happens as a result.

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Maybe you'll think about this next time.

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Chris, did you watch it?

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I did.

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I like this.

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Yeah,

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because this is one of those that

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hits everybody a little different, right?

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You got some folks that say

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that it's an allegory for STDs.

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You got other folks talking

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about the fact that it could be, you know,

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just sexual trauma.

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Right.

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And then you've got, I mean,

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you could go down the pro-life,

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pro-choice rabbit hole with

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this one as well,

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which has been done numerous times.

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Right.

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But I don't, I don't.

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Not a big fan of sticking on

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that one for too long.

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But overall, smart horror film.

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It's got one of the best openings, I think,

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that I've seen to a horror

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film in probably the last decade,

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maybe longer.

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Because you don't know what

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the hell's going on.

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A girl runs out of the house.

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Yeah.

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That's it.

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Stands in the street, looks crazy,

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and then it kicks off from there.

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So it catches your interest

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right off the bat and holds

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it the entire time.

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It's good.

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It's definitely in...

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Definitely and probably my top.

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Twenty of the last.

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Decade to two.

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Agreed.

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Yeah.

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Under Wolf Cop.

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Jeff.

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What do you think?

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I haven't seen this movie in so long.

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So it's vaguely in my skull.

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But.

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Yeah, I'm agreeing with Chris on this one.

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It that opening sequence

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with her just running out

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the house like a crazed woman is.

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That was like, all right,

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we're on to something here.

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Let's see what it is.

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And it was a good movie.

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I do remember I enjoyed it.

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Recommend it.

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But as far as like,

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can I remember like the basics?

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I wish I watch a lot of movies.

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same I think it never shows

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you what it looks like

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either it it just appeared

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as like yeah as someone it

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appears that one of your

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own memories which was yes

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no other movie had done

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that I don't think well it

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but he appears as something

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that scares the shit out of

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you yeah yeah which is also

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on unfortunately we get to

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see what he actually looks

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like though oh god yeah

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yeah it didn't work out

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well for either version of

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that movie but yeah

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Well, speaking of it... He's on the list.

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Let's talk about it.

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He's on the list.

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He's on the list.

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Pennywise the Dancing Clown.

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So, I remember watching the original one,

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and I...

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I really enjoyed that first one.

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The remake, however,

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that was nightmare fuel.

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With the updated effects and everything,

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I was just like... Bill

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Skarsgård did a lot of

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Pennywise's facials himself.

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Like,

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the way he manipulates his eyes and

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mouth and stuff.

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That's all Bill Skarsgård.

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And it is scary as shit.

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Yeah.

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Like, he's so animated.

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And I remember...

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uh watching other shows with

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him where you know he um he

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can kind of like like

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unconsciously like let one

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of his eyes drift which um

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added that that suspense

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whereas I think when tim

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curry played um pennywise I

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think they had to like cg

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it but yeah they did

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contacts it was yeah the

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original it was before we

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had cgi so everything in it

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was a practical effects in

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the original I believe

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And it was like, man,

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like the newer effects,

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I feel like were just

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absolutely terrifying.

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I mean, I think the one that really,

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really terrified me or one

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of the two was with the

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little girl under the bleachers.

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Yes.

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Like right before.

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Yeah, that was terrifying.

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And then Willie McCoy says

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that scene when he's doing

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that dance in the sewer.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Nightmare fuel.

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I was just like, dude.

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Without a doubt.

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Yeah.

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And when they're grown and

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they're fighting him.

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And like the part two.

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Yeah.

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Here's one, though.

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By default,

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does this now essentially make

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Mary Poppins a boogeyman as well?

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Because they're from the same universe.

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That's the protector.

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There you go.

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Why would you do this to me?

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She could be scary, though, too.

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She could be.

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She pulled a lot of shit out of that bag.

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Like, that would terrify me.

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It's a well-known fact that

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they are from the same

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universe and of the same species.

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Yeah,

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there was like a theory going around.

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I remember reading that.

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I don't think he ever refuted it either.

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He didn't.

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Exactly.

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He was just like, hmm, that's good.

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He's like, Mary Poppins?

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Shit, I'll roll with that.

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I don't like this.

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Mary Poppins is now part of

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the Dark Tower.

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Yeah.

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They missed out with that movie.

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That's a hell of a rabbit hole.

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Yeah, yeah.

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The Black.

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What are your thoughts on It?

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Back to it.

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Old or new?

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Which one?

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Or both?

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You know what?

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I was going to say the first

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It was probably one of the

00:19:15.361 --> 00:19:17.480
scariest movies I'd ever seen.

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Just because as a kid,

00:19:21.982 --> 00:19:23.343
going back to the eighties

00:19:24.163 --> 00:19:25.503
and looking at it in real

00:19:25.544 --> 00:19:26.304
time in the eighties,

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that shit was scary.

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Super scary.

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Until you get to the new one.

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The new one makes the old one.

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I went back and watched the

00:19:37.151 --> 00:19:38.652
old one after watching the new one.

00:19:38.672 --> 00:19:42.112
I was like, this is dumb.

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Whoa,

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that's Tim Curry you're talking about,

00:19:44.673 --> 00:19:44.992
buddy.

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I know, but.

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You put some respect on that.

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The new one was done so well

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with the effects.

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It was.

00:19:51.933 --> 00:19:54.154
Even the drainage scene is just like,

00:19:54.954 --> 00:19:56.134
dude.

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That four K changes the game.

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Yeah, it changes everything, bro.

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Like.

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It changed.

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Yeah, that.

00:20:03.143 --> 00:20:04.505
I stopped looking for Ninja Turtles.

00:20:04.565 --> 00:20:05.185
Exactly.

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We used to do that.

00:20:07.469 --> 00:20:08.750
We used to build the little

00:20:08.789 --> 00:20:11.713
boats and stuff and try to race them.

00:20:12.394 --> 00:20:13.256
Not anymore.

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Not anymore.

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Like, hell no.

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But I absolutely agree.

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Pennywise is one of the most

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scary characters.

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Not just a boogeyman, but as a character.

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He's one of the most

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terrifying things ever created.

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Ever.

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I agree.

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Without a doubt.

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Yep.

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And he was a background figure.

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That's the crazy thing.

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Yes.

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Right.

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People want to look at

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Pennywise like he's the

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main star of that show and he's not.

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The kids are.

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Yeah.

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He just happens to be there

00:20:47.971 --> 00:20:48.691
causing trouble.

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But I mean, for me,

00:20:50.913 --> 00:20:52.554
like I remember my brother,

00:20:53.054 --> 00:20:54.035
my older brother, Scott,

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made me sit down and watch it.

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The original one in nineteen

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ninety when it was on the first time.

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And I had nightmares about

00:21:03.260 --> 00:21:04.541
clowns for the next year.

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Probably three weeks.

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Oh, no.

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Every time I would walk by him,

00:21:08.538 --> 00:21:10.299
all I'd hear is, kiss me, fat boy.

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I'm like, come on, man.

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Don't do that.

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Just leave me alone.

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It really did.

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It did bring the fear to

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clowns to the main stage.

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But great movie.

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I like both of them.

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I think It Chapter One,

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the Andy Muschietti version,

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is far better than the

00:21:27.164 --> 00:21:27.904
kids' portions of the old, the old,

00:21:27.924 --> 00:21:28.744
the old, the old, the old, the old,

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the old, the old, the old, the old,

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the old, the old, the old, the old,

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the old,

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But on the adult side of it,

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between chapter two and the original,

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I think I prefer the original.

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Like it's just the tail end

00:21:37.893 --> 00:21:38.773
of this new one with a

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little puddle of goo that

00:21:40.034 --> 00:21:41.315
they're not scared of anymore.

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It's just a little, a little too much.

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I will say with,

00:21:48.477 --> 00:21:50.317
with us now talking about it,

00:21:50.417 --> 00:21:51.958
it's a good time to mention that.

00:21:52.358 --> 00:21:53.278
Welcome to dairy.

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is coming to Max.

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Which is going to be kind of

00:21:58.334 --> 00:22:00.496
like an origin-ish story of

00:22:00.556 --> 00:22:02.238
how Pennywise became Pennywise.

00:22:02.258 --> 00:22:04.440
I don't think I want to know.

00:22:05.421 --> 00:22:06.461
I'm interested to see how

00:22:06.501 --> 00:22:07.301
they play that out.

00:22:07.542 --> 00:22:08.804
I do too.

00:22:09.223 --> 00:22:11.987
Because King spells it out pretty well.

00:22:12.146 --> 00:22:13.709
He does.

00:22:16.151 --> 00:22:17.592
They're taking that and

00:22:17.612 --> 00:22:18.853
they're going to put it into...

00:22:20.256 --> 00:22:21.016
a TV series,

00:22:21.096 --> 00:22:22.477
and Bill Skarsgård's returning

00:22:22.497 --> 00:22:23.498
to do Pennywise.

00:22:23.518 --> 00:22:25.198
Oh, good.

00:22:25.258 --> 00:22:26.199
I'm glad they took ownership

00:22:26.219 --> 00:22:27.159
of that character, you know?

00:22:27.179 --> 00:22:27.259
Yeah.

00:22:27.278 --> 00:22:31.500
I'd say Tim Curry could do it,

00:22:31.520 --> 00:22:32.201
but I don't think he has

00:22:32.221 --> 00:22:32.862
the stroke anymore.

00:22:32.882 --> 00:22:32.922
No.

00:22:32.942 --> 00:22:38.265
Let's let Skarsgård have it.

00:22:38.285 --> 00:22:43.166
Yeah, we got it.

00:22:43.227 --> 00:22:44.827
That's fucked up, dude.

00:22:44.847 --> 00:22:47.148
Come on, man.

00:22:47.429 --> 00:22:48.608
Tim Curry's an icon, man.

00:22:48.628 --> 00:22:49.730
Let's not do it that way.

00:22:53.438 --> 00:22:53.878
I love that dude.

00:22:53.898 --> 00:22:54.659
And his role in The Devil?

00:22:54.838 --> 00:22:55.740
Come on, bro.

00:22:56.000 --> 00:22:56.961
Oh, in Legend?

00:22:57.682 --> 00:22:58.342
Darkness.

00:22:59.522 --> 00:23:02.625
Darkness.

00:23:03.685 --> 00:23:04.666
So I was talking to Chris

00:23:04.707 --> 00:23:07.729
today via Messenger and I

00:23:07.749 --> 00:23:10.471
was telling him about

00:23:10.570 --> 00:23:11.471
actual movies called

00:23:11.571 --> 00:23:16.955
Boogeyman and I found that there was like

00:23:17.946 --> 00:23:19.768
Four or something different

00:23:19.827 --> 00:23:21.807
boogeyman and the one I was

00:23:22.188 --> 00:23:24.288
um Trying to say there's

00:23:24.308 --> 00:23:25.848
like maybe eight of them now.

00:23:26.469 --> 00:23:30.490
Yeah The the one I I wanted

00:23:30.590 --> 00:23:32.490
to kind of focus on if you

00:23:32.510 --> 00:23:35.011
will was the one that came out in uh,

00:23:35.172 --> 00:23:39.173
It had our very own vivian

00:23:39.333 --> 00:23:41.034
lyra blair who played uh

00:23:41.534 --> 00:23:44.835
leia Our our little little leia

00:23:47.345 --> 00:23:53.346
Um, so this one, um, Oh, and the other, uh,

00:23:53.386 --> 00:23:54.307
Chris Messina,

00:23:54.347 --> 00:23:55.327
if you ever watched the

00:23:55.367 --> 00:23:56.167
devil where they're all

00:23:56.208 --> 00:23:57.769
like jam packed in an

00:23:57.929 --> 00:23:59.509
elevator and they keep getting attacked,

00:23:59.529 --> 00:24:01.109
he's like one of the detectives on there.

00:24:01.130 --> 00:24:02.290
I love that movie.

00:24:03.191 --> 00:24:05.172
Um, and then Sophie Thatcher,

00:24:05.192 --> 00:24:06.051
I think she was on yellow

00:24:06.071 --> 00:24:06.751
jackets or something.

00:24:06.771 --> 00:24:07.452
I haven't watched it.

00:24:07.512 --> 00:24:13.474
Really is better than it should have been.

00:24:13.535 --> 00:24:13.634
Yeah.

00:24:13.942 --> 00:24:14.622
I haven't watched that.

00:24:14.642 --> 00:24:15.321
I need to watch that.

00:24:16.722 --> 00:24:17.843
So this came out in.

00:24:17.863 --> 00:24:21.383
This movie was.

00:24:21.723 --> 00:24:22.223
Like it.

00:24:22.963 --> 00:24:24.324
Gave me a lot of jump scares.

00:24:24.344 --> 00:24:25.203
I thought it was great.

00:24:25.663 --> 00:24:27.105
I really like the relationship.

00:24:27.144 --> 00:24:28.164
Between the sisters.

00:24:29.125 --> 00:24:29.704
Really sad.

00:24:30.125 --> 00:24:31.144
Mom passing away.

00:24:31.184 --> 00:24:33.346
But the older sister.

00:24:33.425 --> 00:24:34.306
Really seemed to.

00:24:35.125 --> 00:24:35.925
Kind of have this like.

00:24:37.146 --> 00:24:38.767
Wise beyond her years.

00:24:38.967 --> 00:24:39.047
Yeah.

00:24:39.734 --> 00:24:40.755
kind of thing going on.

00:24:40.934 --> 00:24:41.315
And, you know,

00:24:41.494 --> 00:24:43.236
after she starts experiencing things,

00:24:43.276 --> 00:24:45.537
she stops dismissing her sister and she,

00:24:45.957 --> 00:24:46.896
you know, gets it.

00:24:47.396 --> 00:24:49.817
And I mean, to the little girl's credit,

00:24:49.877 --> 00:24:50.817
I mean, she's smart.

00:24:52.699 --> 00:24:53.999
You know, she's Princess Leia.

00:24:54.098 --> 00:24:55.959
Absolutely.

00:24:59.220 --> 00:24:59.460
Again,

00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:00.861
don't want to ruin too much in the movie.

00:25:00.921 --> 00:25:04.842
So Jeff, the boogeyman, twenty,

00:25:04.862 --> 00:25:05.461
twenty three,

00:25:05.541 --> 00:25:07.522
Princess Leia for the

00:25:07.583 --> 00:25:08.623
nineteen eighty version.

00:25:11.288 --> 00:25:12.210
Or the two thousand five

00:25:12.230 --> 00:25:13.391
version I thought was OK.

00:25:13.971 --> 00:25:15.333
I haven't seen the twenty

00:25:15.373 --> 00:25:17.134
twenty three version, to be fair,

00:25:18.056 --> 00:25:20.657
but the nineteen eighty not the spinoff,

00:25:20.698 --> 00:25:21.618
not the part two in the

00:25:21.638 --> 00:25:22.420
part three of that.

00:25:22.700 --> 00:25:23.661
No, let's not go there.

00:25:24.201 --> 00:25:25.583
Just the original nineteen

00:25:25.623 --> 00:25:28.445
eighty version was fantastic.

00:25:28.465 --> 00:25:30.287
I shouldn't have never

00:25:30.307 --> 00:25:31.909
watched that one as a child either,

00:25:31.949 --> 00:25:32.690
but I did.

00:25:34.297 --> 00:25:35.178
And I didn't get a lot of

00:25:35.218 --> 00:25:36.558
sleep as a child because I

00:25:36.598 --> 00:25:37.439
watched a lot of horror

00:25:37.459 --> 00:25:38.740
movies that I shouldn't have watched.

00:25:40.681 --> 00:25:41.642
That's why we're here.

00:25:42.321 --> 00:25:43.001
This is true.

00:25:43.282 --> 00:25:43.803
This is true.

00:25:43.923 --> 00:25:47.045
But I'm more than made up for my sleep.

00:25:47.065 --> 00:25:51.446
But yeah, I need to watch it.

00:25:52.347 --> 00:25:52.887
That's on me.

00:25:53.269 --> 00:25:54.189
I need to watch that one.

00:25:54.388 --> 00:25:58.412
But I do really like the old eighties one.

00:25:58.451 --> 00:26:02.314
Those monsters, Chris, those monsters.

00:26:03.288 --> 00:26:05.127
Another Stephen King adaptation.

00:26:05.167 --> 00:26:06.769
Yeah, I know, right?

00:26:06.808 --> 00:26:08.209
It's a short story from Stephen King.

00:26:08.229 --> 00:26:09.049
It's not an actual book.

00:26:09.069 --> 00:26:09.809
It's a short story.

00:26:10.150 --> 00:26:10.950
He's amazing.

00:26:11.329 --> 00:26:12.670
I want to say it was in

00:26:12.710 --> 00:26:13.631
Nightmares and Dreamscapes.

00:26:13.951 --> 00:26:14.310
It was.

00:26:16.310 --> 00:26:16.951
Solid book.

00:26:17.751 --> 00:26:19.192
The movie falls into the same trap.

00:26:19.231 --> 00:26:19.412
Well,

00:26:19.592 --> 00:26:20.932
all Stephen King adaptations kind of

00:26:20.972 --> 00:26:22.093
fall into the same trap, right?

00:26:22.692 --> 00:26:24.093
It's either an amazing movie

00:26:24.973 --> 00:26:26.173
and a horrible adaptation.

00:26:27.038 --> 00:26:27.759
where it's a great

00:26:27.838 --> 00:26:29.901
adaptation and a horrible movie, right?

00:26:30.621 --> 00:26:31.682
The Shining is the perfect

00:26:31.721 --> 00:26:32.321
example of that.

00:26:33.123 --> 00:26:35.483
Kubrick Shining, amazing movie.

00:26:35.884 --> 00:26:36.825
Beautiful movie.

00:26:36.884 --> 00:26:37.846
Horrible adaptation.

00:26:39.267 --> 00:26:41.367
Stephen King's Wings version

00:26:41.428 --> 00:26:43.709
of it from the late nineties,

00:26:43.729 --> 00:26:44.630
early two thousands.

00:26:45.569 --> 00:26:47.711
Great adaptation, horrible movie.

00:26:48.211 --> 00:26:49.272
Storm of the Century.

00:26:49.653 --> 00:26:50.192
Great book.

00:26:50.673 --> 00:26:51.193
Terrible show.

00:26:52.944 --> 00:26:54.405
this one I think falls into

00:26:54.486 --> 00:26:55.846
the former camp I thought

00:26:55.866 --> 00:26:57.788
it was a great movie I

00:26:57.807 --> 00:26:58.488
thought it was a horrible

00:26:58.508 --> 00:27:01.109
adaptation the short story

00:27:01.150 --> 00:27:04.892
is very much a focus on how

00:27:06.813 --> 00:27:08.213
someone's mind adjusts

00:27:08.334 --> 00:27:09.974
following extreme trauma

00:27:10.736 --> 00:27:11.876
and I don't think the movie

00:27:12.076 --> 00:27:13.458
touched on that quite as

00:27:13.538 --> 00:27:16.278
much as it could have that

00:27:16.298 --> 00:27:17.579
being said as a creature

00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:18.980
feature as a monster movie

00:27:19.582 --> 00:27:20.863
I had a blast with it.

00:27:20.903 --> 00:27:22.503
Like you can separate those two things,

00:27:23.045 --> 00:27:24.025
separate the boogeyman from

00:27:24.045 --> 00:27:24.865
Stephen King and the short

00:27:24.885 --> 00:27:26.866
story and everything solid

00:27:27.126 --> 00:27:28.347
hour and a half experience.

00:27:28.848 --> 00:27:30.148
Um, I thought the acting was good.

00:27:30.549 --> 00:27:33.392
Um, the direction was on, on point.

00:27:33.652 --> 00:27:33.811
I mean,

00:27:33.832 --> 00:27:35.093
the lighting in that movie is

00:27:35.373 --> 00:27:35.993
outstanding.

00:27:36.054 --> 00:27:39.336
The little girls roll in the moon,

00:27:39.695 --> 00:27:41.037
the plastic down the hallway.

00:27:41.798 --> 00:27:43.098
So the light travels with it

00:27:43.159 --> 00:27:44.740
until you finally see what it's into.

00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:46.340
Like great shots, great ideas.

00:27:46.361 --> 00:27:46.461
Yeah.

00:27:47.249 --> 00:27:47.989
So yeah, I enjoyed it.

00:27:48.009 --> 00:27:49.150
I actually watched it again today.

00:27:49.170 --> 00:27:49.529
Did you?

00:27:49.549 --> 00:27:52.171
Yeah, I enjoyed it.

00:27:54.330 --> 00:27:58.893
So do you think that... So I

00:27:58.932 --> 00:27:59.833
think they touched on it in

00:27:59.853 --> 00:28:00.693
the movie that part of the

00:28:00.733 --> 00:28:02.314
reason why it attaches from

00:28:02.374 --> 00:28:03.775
family to family is because

00:28:03.855 --> 00:28:06.895
of the trauma and the grief

00:28:07.316 --> 00:28:07.955
and everything.

00:28:08.635 --> 00:28:10.076
Do you think it didn't touch

00:28:10.096 --> 00:28:10.876
on that enough?

00:28:12.037 --> 00:28:13.857
I think it touched on it

00:28:14.815 --> 00:28:15.996
in a way that was less

00:28:16.076 --> 00:28:19.838
impactful than the short story.

00:28:19.919 --> 00:28:21.059
And the reason I say that,

00:28:21.140 --> 00:28:21.819
I'm trying to think of a

00:28:21.859 --> 00:28:23.842
way to do it without spoiling it too much,

00:28:23.902 --> 00:28:24.241
right?

00:28:24.301 --> 00:28:28.305
So the grief is personified

00:28:29.165 --> 00:28:31.827
in a much more visceral way

00:28:32.167 --> 00:28:34.108
in the short story as

00:28:34.189 --> 00:28:35.029
opposed to the movie.

00:28:35.069 --> 00:28:37.471
In the movie, it's external, right?

00:28:37.551 --> 00:28:38.353
It's still impactful,

00:28:38.553 --> 00:28:39.613
but the grief is external.

00:28:41.315 --> 00:28:42.154
In the short story,

00:28:42.194 --> 00:28:44.116
it is very apparent that the grief is

00:28:45.134 --> 00:28:47.775
theirs as opposed to you

00:28:47.795 --> 00:28:49.736
know david delmachian who

00:28:49.875 --> 00:28:51.076
is amazing and everything

00:28:51.115 --> 00:28:53.857
I've ever seen him in you

00:28:53.877 --> 00:28:55.438
know he's the guy that that

00:28:55.557 --> 00:28:57.098
introduces it to uh to the

00:28:57.118 --> 00:28:59.099
family in this one okay the

00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:01.641
book is not not like that

00:29:01.740 --> 00:29:02.421
at all okay highly

00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:03.541
recommend the short story

00:29:04.501 --> 00:29:07.482
yes um black the whole book

00:29:07.522 --> 00:29:09.663
is really good though yeah I agree

00:29:11.347 --> 00:29:13.068
Black, what do you think about,

00:29:13.868 --> 00:29:14.848
Chris kind of talked about

00:29:14.909 --> 00:29:16.089
some visceral things.

00:29:16.190 --> 00:29:17.589
What do you think about how

00:29:19.090 --> 00:29:22.071
you started seeing like this black fungus,

00:29:22.811 --> 00:29:24.573
this veiny fungus start

00:29:24.613 --> 00:29:26.814
growing like all over the house?

00:29:27.354 --> 00:29:28.615
Do you think that was kind

00:29:28.654 --> 00:29:29.914
of like a good depiction of

00:29:30.035 --> 00:29:37.897
like their infection kind of?

00:29:38.178 --> 00:29:39.999
I don't want to say it wasn't.

00:29:42.780 --> 00:29:45.261
But it could have been more effective.

00:29:45.741 --> 00:29:46.603
It definitely could have

00:29:46.623 --> 00:29:47.403
been more effective.

00:29:47.462 --> 00:29:48.923
And to go back to what Chris said,

00:29:49.943 --> 00:29:51.265
there was a trade-off for me.

00:29:53.398 --> 00:29:56.101
because I don't know how to say his name.

00:29:56.161 --> 00:29:57.082
I just call him the creepy

00:29:57.122 --> 00:29:57.982
guy from Batman.

00:30:00.224 --> 00:30:01.286
That's how I was introduced.

00:30:01.786 --> 00:30:03.387
But he's the therapist in this movie.

00:30:05.730 --> 00:30:07.791
But I was like, when I saw him,

00:30:08.551 --> 00:30:10.634
but I saw his role and I knew the book,

00:30:10.713 --> 00:30:11.134
I was like,

00:30:11.855 --> 00:30:13.296
I don't know how this is going to work.

00:30:13.396 --> 00:30:14.758
But it was a trade-off for

00:30:14.798 --> 00:30:16.358
me because the fact that he

00:30:16.378 --> 00:30:17.940
was dealing with his own drama

00:30:18.740 --> 00:30:19.721
and not knowing how to

00:30:19.780 --> 00:30:21.422
manage it I thought was a

00:30:21.501 --> 00:30:23.541
very good way to inject

00:30:23.863 --> 00:30:25.403
their grief and how they're

00:30:25.423 --> 00:30:26.702
not able to handle their

00:30:26.762 --> 00:30:27.923
grief in this movie right

00:30:27.963 --> 00:30:29.703
um so I that was a

00:30:29.763 --> 00:30:31.204
trade-off I knew it wasn't

00:30:31.325 --> 00:30:32.125
it wasn't supposed to

00:30:32.164 --> 00:30:33.664
happen that way but the

00:30:33.765 --> 00:30:35.465
fact that he added on to it

00:30:35.546 --> 00:30:36.566
and he's supposed to be

00:30:36.625 --> 00:30:37.945
like the person helping

00:30:38.007 --> 00:30:40.686
them through it right I was

00:30:40.747 --> 00:30:43.028
able to I took from that was like okay

00:30:44.537 --> 00:30:45.357
That's interesting.

00:30:45.518 --> 00:30:47.358
I'll deal with it and how it

00:30:47.419 --> 00:30:48.358
manifested itself.

00:30:48.558 --> 00:30:52.241
I dealt with it.

00:30:52.362 --> 00:30:53.342
You may have just made me

00:30:53.382 --> 00:30:56.124
like that movie more.

00:30:56.163 --> 00:30:56.304
Yeah.

00:30:56.324 --> 00:30:57.204
Because I didn't look at it

00:30:57.224 --> 00:30:58.484
from that perspective, right?

00:30:58.805 --> 00:31:00.125
I thought the dad being a

00:31:00.145 --> 00:31:00.946
therapist was just another

00:31:00.987 --> 00:31:03.167
cliched way to make him more tormented.

00:31:04.288 --> 00:31:05.088
I didn't think about the

00:31:05.169 --> 00:31:06.809
impact on the family and

00:31:06.849 --> 00:31:08.590
the fact that explains the whole, well,

00:31:08.631 --> 00:31:09.251
when are you going to come

00:31:09.311 --> 00:31:10.051
in and talk to us?

00:31:10.071 --> 00:31:10.792
When are you going to join

00:31:10.813 --> 00:31:11.472
the session with the kids?

00:31:11.492 --> 00:31:11.573
Yeah.

00:31:11.593 --> 00:31:11.772
All right.

00:31:11.792 --> 00:31:12.073
All right.

00:31:12.854 --> 00:31:13.054
Yeah.

00:31:15.451 --> 00:31:21.755
Yeah, I like that.

00:31:21.775 --> 00:31:21.855
Yeah.

00:31:22.295 --> 00:31:22.516
Alright.

00:31:22.675 --> 00:31:23.876
The next one,

00:31:24.017 --> 00:31:25.958
hopefully it's on Jeff's list.

00:31:27.538 --> 00:31:28.819
Nightmare on Elm Street.

00:31:32.982 --> 00:31:36.184
That one will never leave my list.

00:31:36.665 --> 00:31:37.066
Never.

00:31:37.185 --> 00:31:38.606
Freddy lives.

00:31:38.967 --> 00:31:41.910
And Freddy is actually on the list.

00:31:41.930 --> 00:31:43.530
That's in every genre, by the way,

00:31:43.550 --> 00:31:43.871
as well.

00:31:44.266 --> 00:31:45.286
It's a romantic comedy.

00:31:45.306 --> 00:31:46.326
He's Nancy's boyfriend.

00:31:46.346 --> 00:31:48.728
They make out over the phone.

00:31:49.567 --> 00:31:50.308
You remember that scene.

00:31:50.348 --> 00:31:51.548
I'm your boyfriend now, Nancy.

00:31:52.068 --> 00:31:52.890
Yeah, I do.

00:31:53.349 --> 00:31:54.970
That's one way to look at it.

00:31:55.671 --> 00:31:57.471
I call it like I see it.

00:31:57.592 --> 00:31:58.612
All right.

00:32:00.151 --> 00:32:01.050
Nightmare on Elm Street.

00:32:01.211 --> 00:32:02.010
Wes Craven.

00:32:02.251 --> 00:32:03.432
Nineteen eighty four.

00:32:04.132 --> 00:32:06.593
So you have Heather Lane can't play Nancy.

00:32:06.873 --> 00:32:08.373
Our very own Johnny Depp

00:32:08.413 --> 00:32:10.313
playing Glenn and Robert

00:32:11.253 --> 00:32:12.713
England playing Freddy Krueger.

00:32:13.513 --> 00:32:14.615
So this is the first time we

00:32:14.654 --> 00:32:15.894
ever get to see Johnny Depp.

00:32:15.914 --> 00:32:17.414
Yeah.

00:32:17.515 --> 00:32:19.056
Poor guy died in such terrible way.

00:32:19.155 --> 00:32:19.655
My gosh.

00:32:19.675 --> 00:32:20.016
He just.

00:32:20.935 --> 00:32:21.957
basically got liquefied.

00:32:22.317 --> 00:32:23.097
Is that the movie where

00:32:23.117 --> 00:32:24.240
somebody shit on his pillow?

00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:27.103
Or was that a different one?

00:32:27.123 --> 00:32:27.843
That was more recent.

00:32:29.505 --> 00:32:32.848
I think that was Two Nights in Paris.

00:32:33.148 --> 00:32:34.990
Was it that one?

00:32:35.070 --> 00:32:37.012
I get my Johnny Depp movies confused.

00:32:37.032 --> 00:32:37.334
I'm sorry.

00:32:38.434 --> 00:32:38.994
I apologize.

00:32:39.015 --> 00:32:41.538
It's called Run Jack.

00:32:42.365 --> 00:32:43.446
Did he cut a spanker on that one?

00:32:43.926 --> 00:32:44.728
Like a vodka bottle?

00:32:44.788 --> 00:32:45.208
I'm sorry.

00:32:45.228 --> 00:32:47.130
Go ahead.

00:32:47.230 --> 00:32:49.092
I'm done.

00:32:49.152 --> 00:32:52.855
So, yeah, like Eric Johnson said,

00:32:52.914 --> 00:32:54.797
Freddy is the most twisted of boogeyman.

00:32:54.936 --> 00:32:55.196
I mean,

00:32:55.897 --> 00:32:58.160
I can't imagine not being able to

00:32:58.200 --> 00:32:59.540
sleep because that is when

00:32:59.740 --> 00:33:01.321
the boogeyman is going to get you.

00:33:01.481 --> 00:33:02.442
And he knows your worst

00:33:02.482 --> 00:33:03.865
nightmares and your worst fears.

00:33:04.984 --> 00:33:05.984
I don't think he quite

00:33:06.025 --> 00:33:08.086
touches on that as much as the first one.

00:33:08.486 --> 00:33:11.606
But as I feel like as movies go on,

00:33:13.666 --> 00:33:14.707
they touch on that more.

00:33:14.826 --> 00:33:15.968
Like you start seeing that,

00:33:16.327 --> 00:33:17.508
I think in the third one is

00:33:17.528 --> 00:33:19.909
the Dream Warriors.

00:33:20.489 --> 00:33:20.709
Yeah,

00:33:20.769 --> 00:33:22.108
he starts kind of manifesting their

00:33:22.148 --> 00:33:24.309
nightmares before.

00:33:25.549 --> 00:33:29.550
But I like the dark tone of the first one.

00:33:29.691 --> 00:33:31.151
He gets a little comical.

00:33:32.112 --> 00:33:33.592
He was always intended to be that way,

00:33:33.632 --> 00:33:33.832
though.

00:33:35.208 --> 00:33:36.588
Not according to Wes Craven.

00:33:37.608 --> 00:33:39.088
Not slapstick.

00:33:39.108 --> 00:33:39.990
Not slapstick, no,

00:33:40.049 --> 00:33:41.931
but he was meant to have a

00:33:42.871 --> 00:33:47.011
not-so-serious attitude when he, you know,

00:33:47.853 --> 00:33:49.272
murdered them.

00:33:49.333 --> 00:33:49.993
Right.

00:33:50.894 --> 00:33:51.013
Um...

00:33:51.512 --> 00:33:52.673
But jumping around a little bit,

00:33:53.654 --> 00:33:56.038
I did like the Dream Warriors one.

00:33:56.337 --> 00:33:57.599
I thought that was the one

00:33:57.619 --> 00:33:59.161
where she turns into a cockroach.

00:33:59.280 --> 00:34:00.262
We're not going to talk about that one.

00:34:00.343 --> 00:34:03.086
Oh, dude, that scene is devastating.

00:34:03.405 --> 00:34:05.327
That scene alone was nightmares.

00:34:05.627 --> 00:34:06.750
Fucking horrifying.

00:34:07.329 --> 00:34:08.371
You guys don't know how much

00:34:08.451 --> 00:34:09.612
I hate cockroaches.

00:34:09.632 --> 00:34:11.494
I mean, she turns to... I need a minute.

00:34:13.632 --> 00:34:15.554
They're only scary to me when they fly.

00:34:16.673 --> 00:34:17.114
When they fly.

00:34:19.094 --> 00:34:20.914
We live in the south, dude.

00:34:21.775 --> 00:34:22.916
We live in the south.

00:34:22.956 --> 00:34:24.556
Don't let the fuckers fly down here.

00:34:24.876 --> 00:34:26.356
We don't even call those cockroaches.

00:34:26.376 --> 00:34:28.617
Those are palmetto bugs.

00:34:28.677 --> 00:34:30.157
And you don't mess with those.

00:34:30.177 --> 00:34:31.639
Let's get fancy with the terms there,

00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:32.259
Chris.

00:34:32.679 --> 00:34:34.039
A fucking roach is a roach.

00:34:37.329 --> 00:34:38.809
So I wanted to kind of

00:34:38.869 --> 00:34:40.949
expand on Wes Craven's new nightmare.

00:34:40.989 --> 00:34:41.969
But before I get to that,

00:34:42.010 --> 00:34:42.769
I kind of want to get

00:34:42.789 --> 00:34:45.690
y'all's thoughts about the

00:34:45.851 --> 00:34:46.831
nightmare in Elm Street.

00:34:46.891 --> 00:34:47.952
If there's anyone leading up

00:34:48.012 --> 00:34:48.952
to Wes Craven's new

00:34:48.992 --> 00:34:49.813
nightmare that you guys

00:34:49.853 --> 00:34:50.693
wanted to talk about.

00:34:52.233 --> 00:34:53.273
Jeff, do you want to go first?

00:34:53.574 --> 00:34:56.994
I have news on Freddy Krueger.

00:34:57.675 --> 00:34:59.175
He is getting a prequel

00:35:00.556 --> 00:35:02.476
starring... You want?

00:35:03.840 --> 00:35:05.400
Kevin Spacey, by chance?

00:35:05.420 --> 00:35:06.202
No.

00:35:06.581 --> 00:35:08.583
It's going to be... God damn,

00:35:08.603 --> 00:35:09.523
what's that kid's name?

00:35:09.543 --> 00:35:10.664
I don't know what you did there.

00:35:10.764 --> 00:35:11.425
Shut up.

00:35:11.826 --> 00:35:12.887
I can't stand you.

00:35:13.427 --> 00:35:18.210
Sorry, go ahead, Jeff.

00:35:18.251 --> 00:35:18.490
That got me.

00:35:18.510 --> 00:35:19.871
That skinny kid's name

00:35:20.952 --> 00:35:22.333
from... What was it?

00:35:22.353 --> 00:35:23.375
The new kid or whatever?

00:35:23.434 --> 00:35:24.835
He goes to...

00:35:26.836 --> 00:35:28.117
Like the prison to visit,

00:35:28.197 --> 00:35:29.918
and then they make him a new person.

00:35:29.978 --> 00:35:30.077
Oh,

00:35:30.097 --> 00:35:31.518
and they dress him up like Hannibal and

00:35:31.579 --> 00:35:32.679
Wheelie in high school?

00:35:32.739 --> 00:35:33.340
Yes, that kid.

00:35:33.380 --> 00:35:34.880
Damn, he's all supernatural.

00:35:35.420 --> 00:35:38.041
Yes, he had a few episodes.

00:35:38.061 --> 00:35:39.483
You know what?

00:35:39.563 --> 00:35:40.103
I got to Google,

00:35:40.123 --> 00:35:40.822
because this is going to

00:35:40.862 --> 00:35:42.704
drive me batshit if I don't do this.

00:35:43.344 --> 00:35:44.465
I do apologize.

00:35:46.385 --> 00:35:48.365
Skinny kid.

00:35:48.405 --> 00:35:49.266
Who?

00:35:49.606 --> 00:35:50.786
I don't know what y'all are talking about.

00:35:50.806 --> 00:35:51.788
Me neither.

00:35:53.518 --> 00:35:53.838
Skinny Kid,

00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:55.539
you guys gotta give me more info.

00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:56.940
It'll make sense.

00:35:57.880 --> 00:35:58.581
The Skinny Kid,

00:35:58.621 --> 00:35:59.742
are you talking about their brother?

00:36:00.461 --> 00:36:00.862
No.

00:36:01.141 --> 00:36:02.983
No.

00:36:03.003 --> 00:36:03.784
You're talking about Skinny

00:36:03.824 --> 00:36:04.744
Kid on Supernatural.

00:36:04.764 --> 00:36:05.744
That's not a lot to go on.

00:36:05.764 --> 00:36:07.585
Yeah, I agree.

00:36:08.085 --> 00:36:09.106
It's kind of a... It's not

00:36:09.126 --> 00:36:10.507
the Skinny Kid on Supernatural.

00:36:10.867 --> 00:36:11.367
It's broad.

00:36:11.427 --> 00:36:11.487
Oh,

00:36:11.527 --> 00:36:12.688
and there's no pictures when you look

00:36:12.748 --> 00:36:13.507
at the entire cast.

00:36:13.527 --> 00:36:14.427
That's not helpful.

00:36:14.487 --> 00:36:14.608
Yeah.

00:36:14.708 --> 00:36:18.010
Hold on, you keep going, Jeff.

00:36:18.090 --> 00:36:18.769
I'll look it up for you.

00:36:20.411 --> 00:36:21.992
But, uh, basically...

00:36:23.186 --> 00:36:25.146
They're going to do the

00:36:25.186 --> 00:36:26.929
events leading up to how

00:36:27.048 --> 00:36:29.789
Freddy Krueger becomes Freddy Krueger,

00:36:30.811 --> 00:36:33.492
if that makes sense.

00:36:35.835 --> 00:36:37.054
Is his name Alexander Calvert?

00:36:37.074 --> 00:36:37.315
No.

00:36:37.376 --> 00:36:37.456
Okay.

00:36:37.476 --> 00:36:37.675
DJ Qualls.

00:36:37.695 --> 00:36:38.596
DJ Qualls, thank you.

00:36:39.856 --> 00:36:41.358
The little, really skinny kid.

00:36:42.318 --> 00:36:43.340
He also had the scene with

00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:44.681
the lady on the bus.

00:36:44.721 --> 00:36:45.240
Oh, that one.

00:36:46.101 --> 00:36:46.362
Yeah.

00:36:47.802 --> 00:36:49.664
With the big old leopard skin panties.

00:36:50.384 --> 00:36:51.083
I can't remember the name of

00:36:51.103 --> 00:36:51.704
that movie either.

00:36:52.264 --> 00:36:52.865
But anyways,

00:36:53.766 --> 00:36:55.847
he's going to become the new

00:36:55.887 --> 00:36:56.568
Freddy Krueger.

00:36:56.867 --> 00:37:01.030
He's going to be the one going forward,

00:37:01.090 --> 00:37:01.552
I think.

00:37:01.771 --> 00:37:03.733
I know Robert Englund wanted

00:37:03.813 --> 00:37:05.074
Kevin Bacon to pick up the

00:37:05.114 --> 00:37:06.554
mantle of Freddy Krueger.

00:37:07.315 --> 00:37:09.697
It looks like it's going to be, huh?

00:37:09.896 --> 00:37:11.438
That would have been perfect.

00:37:11.458 --> 00:37:11.538
Dude,

00:37:11.557 --> 00:37:13.039
Kevin Bacon would have been fucking

00:37:13.059 --> 00:37:13.420
amazing.

00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:15.001
That's why Robert Englund

00:37:15.221 --> 00:37:17.382
asked him personally to

00:37:17.422 --> 00:37:19.083
pick up the mantle of Freddy Krueger.

00:37:19.483 --> 00:37:19.563
Hmm.

00:37:19.943 --> 00:37:21.202
He wouldn't be able to make that many,

00:37:21.242 --> 00:37:21.483
though.

00:37:21.543 --> 00:37:22.402
He's getting up there.

00:37:22.824 --> 00:37:23.543
No offense, Kevin.

00:37:23.664 --> 00:37:24.344
I think you're amazing.

00:37:24.384 --> 00:37:24.824
I love you,

00:37:24.903 --> 00:37:28.505
but... Robert Englund's almost eighty,

00:37:28.744 --> 00:37:29.324
if not eighty.

00:37:30.065 --> 00:37:30.925
He was in the mid-fifties

00:37:30.965 --> 00:37:31.744
when they started, I think.

00:37:31.764 --> 00:37:31.885
Yeah.

00:37:31.905 --> 00:37:35.565
No, the eighties were farther back.

00:37:35.965 --> 00:37:36.505
I'm going to stop.

00:37:36.806 --> 00:37:37.246
You go ahead.

00:37:37.266 --> 00:37:37.786
That makes me feel old.

00:37:38.085 --> 00:37:38.786
But basically,

00:37:38.865 --> 00:37:41.306
it's going to be the events

00:37:41.327 --> 00:37:43.387
that led up to him being

00:37:43.427 --> 00:37:45.447
burned by the parents of

00:37:46.128 --> 00:37:47.168
Elm Street or whatever.

00:37:47.188 --> 00:37:48.108
Okay.

00:37:48.748 --> 00:37:49.730
Where they chased him into

00:37:50.250 --> 00:37:51.291
and then burned him alive

00:37:51.331 --> 00:37:52.210
and him cursing him.

00:37:52.231 --> 00:37:53.271
It's going to be everything

00:37:53.311 --> 00:37:55.193
that happened before that.

00:37:55.974 --> 00:37:57.255
I hope they take it from the

00:37:57.315 --> 00:37:58.416
stance of the original

00:37:58.516 --> 00:38:00.356
series and not the remake.

00:38:00.396 --> 00:38:01.137
They're doing it from the

00:38:01.197 --> 00:38:02.579
original is my understanding.

00:38:02.798 --> 00:38:05.300
The remake was good.

00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:07.382
We don't talk about that.

00:38:07.402 --> 00:38:08.563
I think DJ Qualls could be a

00:38:08.603 --> 00:38:09.684
good fit for this because

00:38:09.983 --> 00:38:11.125
he's going to fit that age

00:38:11.304 --> 00:38:13.045
of when Freddy Krueger was

00:38:14.306 --> 00:38:17.148
doing his thing before he became burned.

00:38:20.266 --> 00:38:23.768
I think it could work.

00:38:23.969 --> 00:38:25.489
DJ Qualls is that size, too,

00:38:25.510 --> 00:38:26.371
of where you would think

00:38:26.411 --> 00:38:29.411
Freddy Krueger would be.

00:38:29.452 --> 00:38:33.735
Kind of a smaller... Yeah.

00:38:33.815 --> 00:38:34.195
It could work.

00:38:34.235 --> 00:38:35.195
Chris,

00:38:36.175 --> 00:38:37.896
you got anything else on Freddy

00:38:37.936 --> 00:38:39.538
Krueger movies?

00:38:39.657 --> 00:38:40.878
I love them, pretty much all of them.

00:38:41.918 --> 00:38:43.639
That's my guilty pleasure.

00:38:44.061 --> 00:38:46.262
Freddy versus Jason, you love that.

00:38:47.449 --> 00:38:47.809
I did.

00:38:47.829 --> 00:38:48.528
I like that one.

00:38:48.548 --> 00:38:48.889
Actually, I do too.

00:38:48.909 --> 00:38:49.329
I like that one.

00:38:49.349 --> 00:38:51.010
I'm a big fan.

00:38:51.030 --> 00:38:52.070
The way Kelly Rowland got

00:38:52.150 --> 00:38:52.990
murked in that movie.

00:38:53.530 --> 00:38:55.831
Anything that has Jason

00:38:56.572 --> 00:38:57.152
swinging teenagers.

00:38:57.172 --> 00:38:59.793
No Kelly Rowland slander.

00:38:59.853 --> 00:39:00.552
No slander.

00:39:01.032 --> 00:39:02.793
I just appreciate the way she dies.

00:39:02.893 --> 00:39:04.735
She went out like a boss lady, okay?

00:39:04.755 --> 00:39:08.115
Yeah, I like all of them.

00:39:08.135 --> 00:39:08.416
I think...

00:39:10.014 --> 00:39:12.094
The third one is by far my favorite.

00:39:12.114 --> 00:39:13.695
Dream Warriors, by far my favorite.

00:39:13.954 --> 00:39:14.775
Yeah, same.

00:39:14.835 --> 00:39:15.994
But I'm also kind of torn on

00:39:16.014 --> 00:39:16.954
it because I think that's

00:39:17.014 --> 00:39:20.135
where... That's kind of

00:39:20.155 --> 00:39:21.655
where Slapstick Freddy started.

00:39:22.235 --> 00:39:22.815
Yeah.

00:39:23.077 --> 00:39:24.536
I mean, Welcome to Primetime, bitch,

00:39:24.577 --> 00:39:25.416
kind of kicked off a

00:39:25.496 --> 00:39:28.878
generation of... Yeah, that, yeah.

00:39:28.918 --> 00:39:30.938
That scene alone was... Yeah,

00:39:30.958 --> 00:39:31.538
it was great.

00:39:31.657 --> 00:39:33.518
You want to get high with

00:39:33.539 --> 00:39:34.418
the needle fingers.

00:39:34.659 --> 00:39:35.539
Like, it did...

00:39:36.181 --> 00:39:38.643
you know, it led to, it led to poor things,

00:39:38.742 --> 00:39:39.844
but I think as a movie itself,

00:39:39.864 --> 00:39:40.804
it was pretty entertaining.

00:39:40.965 --> 00:39:41.585
And if I have,

00:39:42.326 --> 00:39:43.586
if I go back to nightmare on

00:39:43.626 --> 00:39:46.809
Elm street at all, I tend to watch one,

00:39:46.909 --> 00:39:48.110
three and new nightmare.

00:39:49.190 --> 00:39:49.911
I think those are,

00:39:50.172 --> 00:39:51.893
those are the top three of that series.

00:39:52.673 --> 00:39:54.994
I went, I went with like every other two.

00:39:55.014 --> 00:39:55.295
Yeah.

00:39:55.596 --> 00:39:55.996
I agree.

00:39:56.016 --> 00:39:57.777
Even if you count new nightmare as a,

00:39:59.057 --> 00:39:59.918
what it actually is,

00:39:59.998 --> 00:40:01.860
which it's not a Freddy Krueger movie,

00:40:01.900 --> 00:40:03.282
but we'll talk about that

00:40:03.302 --> 00:40:03.702
in a little bit.

00:40:03.722 --> 00:40:04.983
I think, um,

00:40:06.425 --> 00:40:08.626
But yeah, I mean, Freddy's iconic.

00:40:08.686 --> 00:40:12.467
There has never been a slasher, I think,

00:40:12.507 --> 00:40:15.307
to rival him from a

00:40:15.387 --> 00:40:17.628
full-rounded character standpoint,

00:40:17.789 --> 00:40:19.969
with the exception of maybe Chucky.

00:40:21.289 --> 00:40:22.289
Just because Chucky has that

00:40:22.329 --> 00:40:23.311
kind of humor as well.

00:40:24.510 --> 00:40:26.992
Jason's not funny.

00:40:27.172 --> 00:40:29.833
I mean, he don't know.

00:40:29.932 --> 00:40:30.873
Art the Clown's funny,

00:40:31.072 --> 00:40:32.474
but there's recency bias there,

00:40:32.753 --> 00:40:34.114
so he's not in the conversation yet,

00:40:34.614 --> 00:40:35.114
I don't think.

00:40:35.534 --> 00:40:36.014
Art the Clown?

00:40:37.097 --> 00:40:37.838
He's on the list.

00:40:40.340 --> 00:40:43.360
I love the Nightmare on Elm Street movies.

00:40:43.561 --> 00:40:44.722
If they had let Wes Craven

00:40:44.742 --> 00:40:49.264
take control of that entire franchise,

00:40:49.664 --> 00:40:50.784
nothing would be able to touch it.

00:40:53.326 --> 00:40:55.407
Eric Johnson says, two is horrible.

00:40:55.467 --> 00:40:55.947
I agree.

00:40:56.668 --> 00:40:57.628
I wasn't a fan of two.

00:40:57.947 --> 00:41:00.708
I don't think anybody liked two.

00:41:01.150 --> 00:41:02.269
I'm your god now.

00:41:02.409 --> 00:41:03.291
No, you're not.

00:41:03.570 --> 00:41:03.731
No.

00:41:07.757 --> 00:41:10.677
A weirdo with knives on his hand.

00:41:10.717 --> 00:41:11.277
Blackwood was your take.

00:41:11.297 --> 00:41:11.418
It did.

00:41:11.539 --> 00:41:12.119
It did.

00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:15.199
Because if you'd have played

00:41:15.219 --> 00:41:17.521
this in a different way to where, okay,

00:41:17.561 --> 00:41:18.760
he moves into the house.

00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:19.922
I forget the guy's name.

00:41:20.262 --> 00:41:21.282
He moves into the house.

00:41:21.561 --> 00:41:23.182
He starts having the nightmares.

00:41:23.722 --> 00:41:25.884
It's just the execution was terrible.

00:41:27.228 --> 00:41:28.670
It was terrible execution.

00:41:28.871 --> 00:41:30.012
The plot was okay.

00:41:30.092 --> 00:41:31.452
The execution was horrible.

00:41:31.672 --> 00:41:32.233
That's fair.

00:41:32.634 --> 00:41:33.494
I just hate the main

00:41:33.514 --> 00:41:34.335
character in that movie.

00:41:34.554 --> 00:41:38.298
Yeah, you're right.

00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:39.639
He drives me nuts, man.

00:41:39.739 --> 00:41:39.980
Awful.

00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:40.880
There was structure.

00:41:41.001 --> 00:41:42.001
There was structure there.

00:41:42.041 --> 00:41:43.023
They didn't follow it.

00:41:43.163 --> 00:41:44.244
I felt like if they would

00:41:44.264 --> 00:41:46.445
have followed the game plan,

00:41:47.266 --> 00:41:49.228
it felt like this was a

00:41:49.987 --> 00:41:52.771
sequel that they wanted to

00:41:54.331 --> 00:41:56.333
Get all of their ideas out on.

00:41:56.353 --> 00:41:58.554
And none of them work.

00:41:58.994 --> 00:41:59.936
None.

00:42:00.856 --> 00:42:02.237
I think for these movies though.

00:42:02.376 --> 00:42:06.179
Once a. A plot point.

00:42:06.539 --> 00:42:07.860
Or like.

00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:10.581
What's the word I'm looking for here.

00:42:12.342 --> 00:42:13.244
Like a standard.

00:42:13.304 --> 00:42:14.304
Is set for a movie.

00:42:15.125 --> 00:42:16.686
When it comes to slasher films.

00:42:16.965 --> 00:42:17.947
Like you don't just.

00:42:18.387 --> 00:42:19.987
Start changing that characters.

00:42:20.768 --> 00:42:20.989
Like.

00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:24.681
modus operandi or whatever it's called.

00:42:25.081 --> 00:42:26.342
You just don't start fucking

00:42:26.362 --> 00:42:28.902
with that shit.

00:42:29.561 --> 00:42:30.661
They got their thing that works,

00:42:30.862 --> 00:42:33.402
but when you start branching out of that,

00:42:33.943 --> 00:42:34.362
stop it.

00:42:34.382 --> 00:42:36.824
That's fair.

00:42:36.884 --> 00:42:39.083
That's fair.

00:42:39.123 --> 00:42:41.164
Going back to Freddy Krueger

00:42:41.204 --> 00:42:43.425
as a boogeyman, I mean,

00:42:43.445 --> 00:42:46.284
there's really none more famous.

00:42:46.304 --> 00:42:50.025
I don't think there's none more popular.

00:42:50.786 --> 00:42:51.045
Right?

00:42:51.791 --> 00:42:55.512
There is no single horror movie character,

00:42:56.333 --> 00:42:58.393
with the exception of maybe two others.

00:42:59.233 --> 00:42:59.634
Name them.

00:43:00.673 --> 00:43:01.893
Jason and Michael Myers.

00:43:02.074 --> 00:43:02.974
Okay, yeah.

00:43:03.014 --> 00:43:04.835
You can go anywhere in the world,

00:43:05.715 --> 00:43:07.356
and they know exactly who it is,

00:43:07.376 --> 00:43:09.556
exactly what his weapon is,

00:43:09.876 --> 00:43:11.996
and exactly how he killed people.

00:43:12.016 --> 00:43:13.817
Well, Michael Myers is on the list, too.

00:43:14.117 --> 00:43:16.217
So, I mean, Michael Myers.

00:43:16.697 --> 00:43:17.717
And I think in the first

00:43:17.777 --> 00:43:18.958
Michael Myers film,

00:43:18.998 --> 00:43:20.018
in the first Halloween...

00:43:21.003 --> 00:43:23.065
He wasn't listed as Michael Myers.

00:43:23.105 --> 00:43:25.244
He was just listed as the shape.

00:43:25.304 --> 00:43:25.385
Yeah.

00:43:25.405 --> 00:43:25.545
Yeah.

00:43:25.565 --> 00:43:28.206
Um,

00:43:28.266 --> 00:43:29.865
so talking about Wes Craven's new

00:43:29.905 --> 00:43:30.327
nightmare.

00:43:31.186 --> 00:43:37.929
So, um, I really, I'm watching.

00:43:39.949 --> 00:43:40.949
Touche friend.

00:43:40.969 --> 00:43:43.190
Um, um,

00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:44.581
So Wes Craven's New

00:43:44.621 --> 00:43:45.800
Nightmare came out in

00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:46.802
nineteen ninety four.

00:43:48.483 --> 00:43:50.744
I absolutely love this movie.

00:43:52.106 --> 00:43:53.646
So Wes Craven actually said

00:43:53.706 --> 00:43:55.068
that this kind of goes back

00:43:56.429 --> 00:43:57.929
to where Freddie is much

00:43:57.989 --> 00:44:00.070
more menacing and much more dark,

00:44:01.532 --> 00:44:04.414
which is what what I had

00:44:04.474 --> 00:44:06.735
read is what he had originally intended.

00:44:08.135 --> 00:44:10.137
So this is the favorite of

00:44:10.217 --> 00:44:11.498
mine of the franchise,

00:44:11.539 --> 00:44:13.599
just because you have the actual actors.

00:44:14.119 --> 00:44:18.481
playing themselves um and

00:44:18.501 --> 00:44:19.242
this is the one where the

00:44:19.302 --> 00:44:21.101
dog pisses and opens up the

00:44:21.262 --> 00:44:25.523
uh the ground right no okay

00:44:25.543 --> 00:44:26.963
no she said this was a good

00:44:27.023 --> 00:44:28.824
movie well that was a

00:44:28.885 --> 00:44:30.784
freddy krueger movie that

00:44:30.804 --> 00:44:31.706
was in a freddy krueger

00:44:31.726 --> 00:44:33.826
movie it was that was in uh

00:44:34.005 --> 00:44:36.806
part six okay I thought

00:44:36.827 --> 00:44:37.887
that was the funniest thing

00:44:37.907 --> 00:44:38.628
in the world freddy's dead

00:44:40.048 --> 00:44:40.789
The one after.

00:44:42.690 --> 00:44:43.251
Because that's when they

00:44:43.271 --> 00:44:44.411
kill him in the junkyard

00:44:44.431 --> 00:44:46.853
and the dog pisses on an old car tire,

00:44:46.893 --> 00:44:47.554
I think it is,

00:44:47.594 --> 00:44:48.534
and opens a portal in the

00:44:48.574 --> 00:44:49.916
junkyard and Freddy comes back.

00:44:50.255 --> 00:44:51.317
I know too much about this shit.

00:44:51.336 --> 00:44:51.936
Keep going, Jen.

00:44:52.016 --> 00:44:53.918
My bad.

00:44:53.938 --> 00:44:54.259
Sorry,

00:44:54.298 --> 00:44:55.458
it was just that one scene I could

00:44:55.478 --> 00:44:55.900
remember.

00:44:56.619 --> 00:44:57.860
It's the best scene in the movie.

00:44:59.005 --> 00:45:00.467
So, um,

00:45:00.487 --> 00:45:03.228
so this is where Wes Craven actually, um,

00:45:03.987 --> 00:45:07.768
tells, um, well, we know where is Nancy,

00:45:07.829 --> 00:45:09.949
but it's actually Heather, um,

00:45:09.989 --> 00:45:11.931
tells her that he actually

00:45:11.990 --> 00:45:13.771
has precog dreams.

00:45:13.851 --> 00:45:14.751
And part of the reason why

00:45:14.791 --> 00:45:17.952
he made these movies was to keep an, um,

00:45:18.132 --> 00:45:20.574
ancient supernatural entity, um,

00:45:20.634 --> 00:45:21.173
contained.

00:45:21.813 --> 00:45:24.215
So when the movies ended, um,

00:45:24.735 --> 00:45:26.018
It was able to be released.

00:45:26.719 --> 00:45:27.760
So in the movie.

00:45:27.981 --> 00:45:28.943
The entity.

00:45:30.105 --> 00:45:31.106
Focused on Heather.

00:45:31.226 --> 00:45:32.869
Believing that if he killed her.

00:45:32.949 --> 00:45:33.891
Or it killed her.

00:45:34.371 --> 00:45:36.275
Then he can actually gain access.

00:45:36.335 --> 00:45:37.637
To the real world.

00:45:38.478 --> 00:45:38.599
Um.

00:45:40.186 --> 00:45:41.648
I don't remember a movie

00:45:41.768 --> 00:45:43.188
actually doing this.

00:45:43.248 --> 00:45:44.269
Correct me if I'm wrong.

00:45:44.391 --> 00:45:45.271
I couldn't really think of

00:45:45.331 --> 00:45:46.452
any off the top of my head

00:45:46.472 --> 00:45:48.175
when I was reading this that did this.

00:45:48.875 --> 00:45:50.476
And it was crazy.

00:45:50.637 --> 00:45:52.099
It brought a new level of

00:45:52.358 --> 00:45:56.083
realism to me that you're actually seeing

00:45:57.425 --> 00:45:59.867
heather there and supposedly

00:45:59.987 --> 00:46:01.347
like her real son and her

00:46:01.367 --> 00:46:02.686
real husband and this this

00:46:02.806 --> 00:46:04.268
shit's happening and it's

00:46:04.347 --> 00:46:05.387
real stuff and it's like

00:46:06.168 --> 00:46:08.628
holy crap that's crazy and

00:46:09.548 --> 00:46:10.889
the the freddy or the uh

00:46:11.088 --> 00:46:12.509
evil supernatural entity

00:46:12.548 --> 00:46:13.610
that actually comes around

00:46:14.250 --> 00:46:16.989
um is dark it's very evil I

00:46:17.010 --> 00:46:18.231
don't even think he looks

00:46:18.271 --> 00:46:19.690
the same it's a very uh

00:46:21.092 --> 00:46:22.693
I think the actual tone of

00:46:22.793 --> 00:46:24.054
the and actually the look

00:46:24.094 --> 00:46:25.896
of the movie is even darker

00:46:25.976 --> 00:46:27.036
than like the other ones

00:46:27.478 --> 00:46:28.858
there's no more slapstick

00:46:28.878 --> 00:46:30.079
there's no more funny shit

00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:31.541
like you know this is like

00:46:32.943 --> 00:46:34.184
to me I feel like you know

00:46:34.224 --> 00:46:35.684
if you took like an extract

00:46:35.804 --> 00:46:37.126
of Freddie and like dropped

00:46:37.166 --> 00:46:38.266
it that would be this movie

00:46:39.427 --> 00:46:41.190
for me anyway like I loved

00:46:41.250 --> 00:46:45.514
it black Freddie's new

00:46:45.554 --> 00:46:46.474
nightmare what do you think

00:46:47.626 --> 00:46:48.666
You know what?

00:46:49.608 --> 00:46:50.527
In the line of them,

00:46:50.708 --> 00:46:52.389
I think the original is my favorite,

00:46:52.409 --> 00:46:54.110
but this one's a really close second.

00:46:55.492 --> 00:46:58.914
It's a really close second.

00:46:58.954 --> 00:47:00.655
For me, nothing will beat the original,

00:47:00.695 --> 00:47:00.914
though.

00:47:00.934 --> 00:47:01.096
Nothing.

00:47:04.858 --> 00:47:08.840
I agree.

00:47:08.900 --> 00:47:09.161
Chris?

00:47:09.181 --> 00:47:10.461
Yeah, I'm in a similar boat.

00:47:10.501 --> 00:47:12.884
This is bounces back and

00:47:12.903 --> 00:47:15.204
forth on two and three for

00:47:15.244 --> 00:47:16.126
me in the franchise.

00:47:19.911 --> 00:47:20.130
yeah,

00:47:20.210 --> 00:47:23.253
I think this was Wes Craven's testing

00:47:23.293 --> 00:47:27.076
ground for Scream.

00:47:27.115 --> 00:47:30.257
Oh, yeah.

00:47:30.358 --> 00:47:31.920
I can see that.

00:47:31.940 --> 00:47:33.501
This was his chance to build

00:47:33.561 --> 00:47:36.682
a movie not that included

00:47:36.762 --> 00:47:38.403
standard slasher tropes,

00:47:39.465 --> 00:47:41.166
but that was built around them.

00:47:41.757 --> 00:47:41.978
Right.

00:47:42.097 --> 00:47:42.759
And it's stuck to that

00:47:42.798 --> 00:47:43.818
narrative pretty close.

00:47:44.199 --> 00:47:44.420
Right.

00:47:44.460 --> 00:47:45.820
If you go back and watch it,

00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:47.262
it's a it's a traditional

00:47:47.362 --> 00:47:49.663
slasher movie just with a

00:47:49.702 --> 00:47:50.864
different coat of paint on it.

00:47:52.525 --> 00:47:53.425
And then he moves on to

00:47:53.485 --> 00:47:55.367
scream and does a complete

00:47:55.407 --> 00:47:56.387
body restoration.

00:47:56.887 --> 00:47:57.128
Right.

00:47:57.148 --> 00:47:59.309
Put it in really ridiculous,

00:47:59.409 --> 00:48:00.431
vague car terms.

00:48:02.052 --> 00:48:03.652
So I think this was I think

00:48:03.672 --> 00:48:05.014
this led to far greater

00:48:05.054 --> 00:48:06.635
things than what it was on its own.

00:48:07.688 --> 00:48:08.289
Right.

00:48:08.309 --> 00:48:09.009
That being said,

00:48:09.108 --> 00:48:10.289
I think this is probably

00:48:10.329 --> 00:48:11.791
the scariest Freddy Krueger

00:48:11.831 --> 00:48:13.733
has ever been to include the first film.

00:48:13.753 --> 00:48:13.913
I agree.

00:48:15.474 --> 00:48:16.014
And keep in mind,

00:48:16.054 --> 00:48:16.976
I was only two when

00:48:17.016 --> 00:48:18.436
Nightmare on Elm Street first came out.

00:48:19.277 --> 00:48:20.739
So it's not like I saw it in theaters.

00:48:21.139 --> 00:48:21.338
Right.

00:48:21.358 --> 00:48:21.418
No.

00:48:23.340 --> 00:48:24.882
But by the time I got around to it,

00:48:24.922 --> 00:48:25.742
there were things that

00:48:25.802 --> 00:48:26.983
stuck out to me that just

00:48:27.023 --> 00:48:28.925
didn't look right.

00:48:29.286 --> 00:48:29.485
Right.

00:48:29.525 --> 00:48:30.266
The long arms.

00:48:30.527 --> 00:48:30.947
Right.

00:48:30.967 --> 00:48:31.567
You could tell that.

00:48:31.606 --> 00:48:33.108
Oh, that was horrible.

00:48:33.509 --> 00:48:34.128
Yeah.

00:48:34.570 --> 00:48:34.670
Yeah.

00:48:35.614 --> 00:48:36.994
So when New Nightmare came around,

00:48:37.074 --> 00:48:39.896
I think I got to see what,

00:48:39.936 --> 00:48:41.077
for my generation,

00:48:41.137 --> 00:48:42.856
was the purest form of

00:48:42.896 --> 00:48:44.257
Freddy that we had ever seen.

00:48:44.978 --> 00:48:45.338
Right?

00:48:46.257 --> 00:48:49.179
No burn scars, just demon deformity.

00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:50.440
Mm-hmm.

00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:52.760
No glove, just really long nails.

00:48:53.099 --> 00:48:53.661
Mm-hmm.

00:48:53.681 --> 00:48:55.780
Like, that was Freddy Krueger.

00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:55.900
Right.

00:48:56.181 --> 00:48:58.882
The way Wes Craven pictured

00:48:58.902 --> 00:48:59.621
him originally.

00:48:59.822 --> 00:49:01.003
And then New Line did what

00:49:01.063 --> 00:49:03.063
New Line does with all of

00:49:03.083 --> 00:49:04.324
their horror franchises.

00:49:04.403 --> 00:49:04.704
Mm-hmm.

00:49:05.503 --> 00:49:06.764
And did what they did, right?

00:49:06.784 --> 00:49:07.925
They ran it into the ground,

00:49:07.945 --> 00:49:08.925
made as much money as they

00:49:08.965 --> 00:49:09.666
could off of it.

00:49:09.766 --> 00:49:10.387
Yeah.

00:49:10.447 --> 00:49:11.648
Until they could do a versus movie.

00:49:11.788 --> 00:49:15.190
Dude, we're on Scream seven.

00:49:15.210 --> 00:49:16.731
The last two Scream movies,

00:49:16.911 --> 00:49:18.233
that's a whole different episode.

00:49:18.452 --> 00:49:19.474
But the last two Scream

00:49:19.514 --> 00:49:20.635
movies were outstanding.

00:49:21.476 --> 00:49:23.797
I got to agree with you there.

00:49:24.036 --> 00:49:26.338
I'm not complaining, dude.

00:49:26.398 --> 00:49:29.922
And more nerd news coming in.

00:49:30.081 --> 00:49:31.182
Scream seven.

00:49:31.806 --> 00:49:32.847
They're bringing back a

00:49:33.027 --> 00:49:34.748
bunch of the original OG

00:49:34.768 --> 00:49:38.769
cast that aren't dead in the movie-verse.

00:49:39.050 --> 00:49:42.313
They should have killed her

00:49:42.432 --> 00:49:43.373
ass off in five.

00:49:43.713 --> 00:49:44.653
That would have given Dewey

00:49:44.673 --> 00:49:46.315
a reason to be pissed off in six.

00:49:48.056 --> 00:49:49.077
Neither here nor there.

00:49:49.157 --> 00:49:49.697
I agree.

00:49:51.077 --> 00:49:52.018
I am excited to get another three.

00:49:52.038 --> 00:49:53.920
But we can't hope for the best in seven.

00:49:55.159 --> 00:49:56.260
I am excited for another three.

00:49:58.570 --> 00:50:02.472
I think the only movie to

00:50:02.512 --> 00:50:04.094
try to do something similar

00:50:04.974 --> 00:50:06.155
but to do it in a twisted

00:50:06.195 --> 00:50:10.077
way was Seed of Chucky.

00:50:10.617 --> 00:50:12.940
That was the first meta film

00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:15.161
where you actually had

00:50:15.221 --> 00:50:16.402
Jennifer Tilly playing

00:50:16.442 --> 00:50:19.023
herself but they buried it

00:50:19.043 --> 00:50:20.103
in the narrative so deep

00:50:20.123 --> 00:50:21.385
that you might not pick up on it.

00:50:21.766 --> 00:50:23.487
So you had Tiffany following

00:50:23.527 --> 00:50:24.547
down this rabbit hole.

00:50:25.248 --> 00:50:26.929
You had Tiffany, the wife,

00:50:27.248 --> 00:50:28.449
played by Jennifer Tilly.

00:50:29.436 --> 00:50:30.998
attracted to the actress

00:50:31.018 --> 00:50:32.599
that plays tiffany in the

00:50:32.619 --> 00:50:33.860
movie which is jennifer

00:50:33.880 --> 00:50:37.702
tilly wanting to possess

00:50:39.143 --> 00:50:40.905
jennifer tilly's body to

00:50:40.945 --> 00:50:42.166
get out of the doll which

00:50:42.206 --> 00:50:43.246
is named tiffany that's

00:50:43.347 --> 00:50:44.648
played by you following yep

00:50:44.668 --> 00:50:45.829
I do following it's too

00:50:45.849 --> 00:50:48.831
much yeah it's too much but

00:50:48.851 --> 00:50:49.990
I think that's as far as

00:50:50.072 --> 00:50:51.012
movies go I think that's

00:50:51.032 --> 00:50:52.293
the closest one to kind of

00:50:52.954 --> 00:50:56.376
start to get into new nightmare territory

00:50:57.900 --> 00:50:59.360
But New Nightmare took it serious.

00:50:59.380 --> 00:50:59.561
I mean,

00:50:59.641 --> 00:51:02.202
Chuck has never taken anything serious.

00:51:02.282 --> 00:51:02.521
No.

00:51:03.822 --> 00:51:06.864
Thank God for it.

00:51:06.885 --> 00:51:07.105
Jeff,

00:51:07.144 --> 00:51:08.565
you got anything else on Wes Craven's

00:51:08.585 --> 00:51:09.045
New Nightmare?

00:51:10.646 --> 00:51:10.847
No.

00:51:11.387 --> 00:51:13.829
I really enjoyed this one tremendously.

00:51:14.550 --> 00:51:16.271
From the original glove

00:51:16.311 --> 00:51:18.291
being on the set to all

00:51:18.331 --> 00:51:20.273
those little small details

00:51:20.313 --> 00:51:21.793
like that that went into that.

00:51:22.793 --> 00:51:23.974
That shit was amazing.

00:51:23.994 --> 00:51:25.275
I agree.

00:51:26.530 --> 00:51:27.050
I agree.

00:51:27.949 --> 00:51:28.329
All right.

00:51:29.090 --> 00:51:29.971
Next on my list,

00:51:30.030 --> 00:51:34.231
I'm pretty sure it's on Jeff's Halloween.

00:51:34.452 --> 00:51:37.351
Got to talk about Michael Myers.

00:51:38.072 --> 00:51:38.771
Wait for it.

00:51:39.012 --> 00:51:39.693
Wait for it.

00:51:40.233 --> 00:51:45.653
It's on the list.

00:51:45.954 --> 00:51:48.273
That's the point.

00:51:49.134 --> 00:51:49.514
Thank you.

00:51:50.614 --> 00:51:51.414
Chris, thank you.

00:51:52.768 --> 00:51:54.610
So you got Halloween,

00:51:54.690 --> 00:51:57.572
starring Jamie Lee Curtis.

00:51:58.572 --> 00:52:02.775
You also have Tony Moran playing The Shape,

00:52:03.016 --> 00:52:04.496
as you guys mentioned earlier.

00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:08.880
So here's my thing about Halloween.

00:52:10.275 --> 00:52:11.496
you don't catch it the first time.

00:52:11.777 --> 00:52:13.418
You don't always catch it the second time.

00:52:13.998 --> 00:52:15.880
Sometimes you have to watch

00:52:15.940 --> 00:52:17.280
it three or four times to

00:52:17.320 --> 00:52:19.481
catch all the scenes that

00:52:19.963 --> 00:52:21.384
Michael is hiding in.

00:52:22.063 --> 00:52:23.085
You don't always see him.

00:52:23.605 --> 00:52:25.445
Some are more obvious than others.

00:52:27.927 --> 00:52:29.349
And then there's some where it's like,

00:52:29.708 --> 00:52:31.670
you read it and somebody's like, hey,

00:52:31.871 --> 00:52:34.293
that's, you know, Michael's in that.

00:52:34.353 --> 00:52:34.873
No, he's not.

00:52:34.913 --> 00:52:36.333
And then you go back, oh, fuck he is.

00:52:36.393 --> 00:52:37.414
He's right there.

00:52:37.474 --> 00:52:37.755
Damn.

00:52:41.157 --> 00:52:42.278
yeah like flanagan movie

00:52:42.298 --> 00:52:47.402
yeah um and I feel like it

00:52:47.463 --> 00:52:51.105
brings like this eerie kind

00:52:51.164 --> 00:52:53.567
of feel to the movie and

00:52:53.586 --> 00:52:57.188
the character um for me uh

00:52:57.208 --> 00:52:58.971
the other thing I find that

00:52:58.990 --> 00:53:00.271
was really eerie about

00:53:00.331 --> 00:53:02.432
michael is that when he

00:53:02.472 --> 00:53:03.454
would kill somebody

00:53:03.574 --> 00:53:04.534
sometimes he would kind of

00:53:04.574 --> 00:53:06.735
tilt his head and kind of

00:53:06.755 --> 00:53:09.077
look at them as they died that gave

00:53:10.373 --> 00:53:11.733
me fucking chills.

00:53:11.813 --> 00:53:13.414
I'm just like, why is he doing that?

00:53:13.434 --> 00:53:15.434
And the fact that it's just

00:53:15.474 --> 00:53:17.974
a man at the time under the mask,

00:53:18.173 --> 00:53:19.815
or a man-child, I should say.

00:53:20.675 --> 00:53:21.454
Because in his head,

00:53:21.474 --> 00:53:23.954
he's still that little boy.

00:53:23.974 --> 00:53:30.416
So, that makes it even scarier.

00:53:30.737 --> 00:53:30.916
Right.

00:53:32.677 --> 00:53:33.597
And before I kind of talk

00:53:33.617 --> 00:53:35.257
about some of the theories

00:53:35.277 --> 00:53:36.097
that kind of go on,

00:53:36.237 --> 00:53:38.737
and they call it the Thorn Trilogy.

00:53:40.934 --> 00:53:41.193
I know.

00:53:41.253 --> 00:53:42.173
I'm going to touch on it.

00:53:42.273 --> 00:53:44.014
I'm not going to spend forever on it.

00:53:44.434 --> 00:53:45.795
I see that you're familiar with it, Chris.

00:53:45.815 --> 00:53:46.135
It's all right.

00:53:46.155 --> 00:53:46.594
We can talk about it.

00:53:46.614 --> 00:53:48.675
I ain't going to be happy about it,

00:53:48.715 --> 00:53:49.675
but we can talk about it.

00:53:49.775 --> 00:53:51.876
Yeah, I'll touch on it a little bit.

00:53:51.996 --> 00:53:59.277
Jeff, what's your take on Michael Myers?

00:53:59.416 --> 00:54:00.476
I'm a huge,

00:54:01.137 --> 00:54:03.498
huge fan of this entire franchise.

00:54:03.617 --> 00:54:05.358
I know a lot of people are

00:54:05.378 --> 00:54:07.157
going to hate that I'm about to say this.

00:54:07.958 --> 00:54:10.498
I really enjoyed the Rob Zombie prequel

00:54:12.536 --> 00:54:13.557
Like I loved it.

00:54:13.777 --> 00:54:15.840
Like we needed that.

00:54:16.599 --> 00:54:18.342
Like I needed that to

00:54:18.402 --> 00:54:19.663
understand really what

00:54:19.802 --> 00:54:22.505
Michael Myers really was.

00:54:23.606 --> 00:54:24.766
And I know a lot of people

00:54:24.947 --> 00:54:27.548
absolutely hate this

00:54:27.568 --> 00:54:29.510
fucking franchise that Rob Zombie did.

00:54:29.570 --> 00:54:32.773
But to me, he added it,

00:54:33.052 --> 00:54:34.034
added something to it

00:54:34.914 --> 00:54:37.956
versus like Muddy in the Waters.

00:54:38.056 --> 00:54:38.657
You know what I'm saying?

00:54:38.677 --> 00:54:38.757
Yeah.

00:54:38.777 --> 00:54:38.858
Yeah.

00:54:42.230 --> 00:54:42.449
I mean,

00:54:42.469 --> 00:54:43.550
we're not talking Season of the

00:54:43.570 --> 00:54:45.532
Witch here, which has its place.

00:54:46.092 --> 00:54:47.952
Whoa, whoa.

00:54:47.972 --> 00:54:49.414
I said it has its place.

00:54:49.713 --> 00:54:50.094
Listen, calm down.

00:54:50.114 --> 00:54:52.416
I don't know why you're

00:54:52.436 --> 00:54:53.036
getting all defensive.

00:54:53.056 --> 00:54:55.777
I'm not getting defensive.

00:54:56.378 --> 00:54:57.358
I'm just saying it's not the

00:54:57.398 --> 00:54:58.798
fucking best movie out

00:54:58.838 --> 00:55:02.400
there in the franchise.

00:55:02.481 --> 00:55:03.742
Like it barely fit.

00:55:03.762 --> 00:55:05.902
I'm hurt.

00:55:06.003 --> 00:55:07.083
It barely fit.

00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:12.423
So since you jumped to Rob Zombie,

00:55:14.927 --> 00:55:16.429
I feel like I need to address this.

00:55:17.028 --> 00:55:17.610
Go right.

00:55:17.789 --> 00:55:19.632
I literally named this this

00:55:20.353 --> 00:55:21.795
thing after Rob Zombies.

00:55:21.855 --> 00:55:22.635
I'm your boogeyman.

00:55:23.543 --> 00:55:27.608
So here's what I think about

00:55:27.728 --> 00:55:28.869
the Rob Zombie.

00:55:28.949 --> 00:55:30.510
Thank you, Willie, for picking up on that.

00:55:30.570 --> 00:55:34.173
So here's my take on Rob Zombies.

00:55:34.675 --> 00:55:35.516
I didn't hate it.

00:55:36.036 --> 00:55:36.335
Okay.

00:55:36.976 --> 00:55:38.498
My thing is, is that...

00:55:40.059 --> 00:55:41.561
You see Rob Zombie's movies

00:55:41.661 --> 00:55:44.382
and you see Michael's progression.

00:55:44.722 --> 00:55:46.463
You see him as a little kid,

00:55:46.503 --> 00:55:47.824
why he became like that.

00:55:48.423 --> 00:55:50.344
And then you see him

00:55:50.445 --> 00:55:52.766
becoming mute and the

00:55:52.806 --> 00:55:54.068
psychiatric ward and kind

00:55:54.108 --> 00:55:55.327
of his descent into being a

00:55:55.407 --> 00:55:56.088
serial killer.

00:55:57.429 --> 00:55:57.949
For me...

00:56:00.545 --> 00:56:01.706
It took away from Michael

00:56:01.726 --> 00:56:03.445
Myers because you just made

00:56:03.465 --> 00:56:05.086
him a serial killer at this point.

00:56:05.726 --> 00:56:08.208
You took away the boogeyman aspect.

00:56:08.387 --> 00:56:11.148
To me, he's not a boogeyman anymore.

00:56:11.608 --> 00:56:12.949
To me, he's not as scary.

00:56:12.969 --> 00:56:14.070
He's just a dude walking

00:56:14.090 --> 00:56:14.911
around with a knife.

00:56:15.351 --> 00:56:16.530
I'm not knocking you guys.

00:56:16.670 --> 00:56:18.152
I'm just giving my perspective.

00:56:19.371 --> 00:56:21.432
Like I said, I didn't hate it.

00:56:21.873 --> 00:56:22.494
I'm just saying...

00:56:24.534 --> 00:56:25.596
He did a good job,

00:56:25.655 --> 00:56:26.637
but you kind of took away

00:56:26.677 --> 00:56:28.559
the boogeyman aspect, in my opinion.

00:56:28.739 --> 00:56:29.659
I feel like you should have

00:56:29.699 --> 00:56:30.981
kept that supernatural part

00:56:31.001 --> 00:56:32.583
of it because all

00:56:32.603 --> 00:56:33.163
throughout the movie... I

00:56:33.182 --> 00:56:34.003
think that added to the

00:56:34.043 --> 00:56:39.068
supernatural part that we got later.

00:56:39.088 --> 00:56:41.090
That's just me.

00:56:41.110 --> 00:56:41.510
I disagree there.

00:56:41.530 --> 00:56:43.652
We can all disagree to agree.

00:56:43.672 --> 00:56:44.893
Or agree to disagree is what I mean.

00:56:46.186 --> 00:56:47.085
I said that backwards.

00:56:47.126 --> 00:56:47.606
My bad.

00:56:48.146 --> 00:56:50.306
The less you know about your bad guy,

00:56:50.726 --> 00:56:53.668
your boogeyman, the less you know, to me,

00:56:53.708 --> 00:56:55.309
the more scary they are.

00:56:55.768 --> 00:56:57.088
You don't always know their origins.

00:56:58.989 --> 00:56:59.969
The less you know,

00:57:00.110 --> 00:57:01.050
the more scary they are.

00:57:01.090 --> 00:57:01.791
Where do they come from?

00:57:02.231 --> 00:57:02.710
I don't know.

00:57:04.190 --> 00:57:05.072
Why are they doing this?

00:57:05.492 --> 00:57:05.891
I don't know.

00:57:05.911 --> 00:57:06.911
Maybe because I'm a Rob

00:57:06.931 --> 00:57:08.193
Zombie fanboy when it comes

00:57:08.213 --> 00:57:09.193
to his movies.

00:57:09.333 --> 00:57:09.713
I'm not...

00:57:09.972 --> 00:57:10.972
Except for his monsters.

00:57:11.213 --> 00:57:12.554
He should have never done the monsters.

00:57:13.193 --> 00:57:15.574
I have zero problems with Rob Zombie.

00:57:16.054 --> 00:57:18.715
His take on Halloween, I didn't hate it,

00:57:18.795 --> 00:57:22.775
but to me, it's not... To me,

00:57:22.795 --> 00:57:23.896
he made him a serial killer.

00:57:26.056 --> 00:57:29.117
Here would be my counterpoint.

00:57:29.157 --> 00:57:30.157
I don't disagree with you.

00:57:31.418 --> 00:57:32.659
I completely agree that Rob

00:57:32.699 --> 00:57:35.378
Zombie took away the force

00:57:35.418 --> 00:57:36.960
of nature feeling that you

00:57:36.980 --> 00:57:38.619
get from Michael Myers in the first film.

00:57:39.286 --> 00:57:40.146
You don't know why he's there.

00:57:40.565 --> 00:57:41.326
You don't know why he's

00:57:41.365 --> 00:57:42.527
killing the people he's killing.

00:57:42.626 --> 00:57:43.706
There's no explanation in

00:57:43.726 --> 00:57:44.686
the first film whatsoever.

00:57:45.467 --> 00:57:47.047
You don't get that until the second film,

00:57:47.407 --> 00:57:47.768
right?

00:57:48.807 --> 00:57:50.447
I would say that Rob Zombie

00:57:50.907 --> 00:57:54.989
did in two hours what the

00:57:55.168 --> 00:57:57.329
original franchise took.

00:57:58.510 --> 00:58:02.331
Three movies?

00:58:02.451 --> 00:58:03.590
Six movies to explain.

00:58:04.260 --> 00:58:05.041
Because it's not until

00:58:05.081 --> 00:58:07.402
Halloween H-T-O that you

00:58:07.422 --> 00:58:09.364
find out all the same information.

00:58:09.423 --> 00:58:11.244
There it is.

00:58:11.826 --> 00:58:13.186
I love Halloween H-T-O.

00:58:13.226 --> 00:58:14.186
I think it's a great movie.

00:58:14.927 --> 00:58:15.327
Agreed.

00:58:16.449 --> 00:58:18.070
The problem that you have is

00:58:18.090 --> 00:58:20.951
that Halloween became a franchise at all.

00:58:21.291 --> 00:58:21.472
Yes.

00:58:21.512 --> 00:58:22.913
That is a big fact.

00:58:22.932 --> 00:58:24.172
This is where me and Jeff

00:58:24.193 --> 00:58:24.893
are going to butt heads.

00:58:25.934 --> 00:58:29.416
In that, Halloween II, IV,

00:58:29.577 --> 00:58:31.577
and on were all Michael Myers movies.

00:58:33.918 --> 00:58:35.838
When Halloween was first constructed,

00:58:35.998 --> 00:58:37.960
when they first designed this franchise,

00:58:38.300 --> 00:58:40.322
when they came back, they said, hey,

00:58:40.342 --> 00:58:43.264
we want you to do a different movie.

00:58:43.304 --> 00:58:44.105
He didn't want to go back to

00:58:44.144 --> 00:58:44.806
Michael Myers.

00:58:45.505 --> 00:58:46.367
He wanted to tell an

00:58:46.427 --> 00:58:48.829
anthology series wrapped

00:58:48.849 --> 00:58:49.929
around the holiday.

00:58:51.751 --> 00:58:53.052
So if we take the director's

00:58:53.112 --> 00:58:54.793
original vision of what

00:58:54.833 --> 00:58:57.114
Halloween should be, right now,

00:58:57.295 --> 00:58:58.315
there would be two movies.

00:58:58.617 --> 00:58:59.356
There would be Halloween I,

00:59:00.777 --> 00:59:02.059
and there would be Halloween III,

00:59:02.278 --> 00:59:02.920
Season of the Witch.

00:59:03.717 --> 00:59:04.637
which by itself,

00:59:04.697 --> 00:59:07.878
if you remove the Halloween title,

00:59:08.878 --> 00:59:10.639
is an amazing film.

00:59:10.980 --> 00:59:12.501
I will not argue that.

00:59:12.760 --> 00:59:13.981
But it's the fact they put

00:59:14.001 --> 00:59:15.181
that Halloween in front of

00:59:15.282 --> 00:59:17.083
it that kills it.

00:59:18.583 --> 00:59:19.563
All Rob Zombie did was

00:59:19.583 --> 00:59:22.226
compress that down to a single movie.

00:59:22.846 --> 00:59:25.947
I'm going to agree with Chris on this one.

00:59:26.166 --> 00:59:26.947
Because for me,

00:59:27.027 --> 00:59:30.068
this franchise goes in a

00:59:30.108 --> 00:59:31.389
lot of different directions.

00:59:34.130 --> 00:59:35.731
And for me, personally,

00:59:36.072 --> 00:59:37.632
I took my time with this

00:59:37.672 --> 00:59:40.693
whole series to the point where, like,

00:59:40.853 --> 00:59:43.414
by the time I got to H.U.O., it was like,

00:59:43.474 --> 00:59:45.115
what the... What's going on?

00:59:45.416 --> 00:59:47.257
Like, who is... Like,

00:59:47.356 --> 00:59:49.057
I know he's a serial killer now,

00:59:49.117 --> 00:59:50.938
but I thought he was...

00:59:51.920 --> 00:59:53.039
on the realm of Jason.

00:59:53.159 --> 00:59:53.659
You know what I mean?

00:59:53.699 --> 00:59:55.081
Like, he's unstoppable.

00:59:55.541 --> 00:59:56.740
He's only going to come back.

00:59:56.780 --> 00:59:57.760
He's supernatural.

00:59:58.061 --> 00:59:59.342
You're telling me he's human

00:59:59.722 --> 01:00:00.521
with the problem.

01:00:01.101 --> 01:00:02.862
Like, it kind of took it away from me.

01:00:03.023 --> 01:00:03.742
You know what I mean?

01:00:03.762 --> 01:00:06.123
Right.

01:00:06.182 --> 01:00:06.503
Right.

01:00:07.043 --> 01:00:07.963
There's a really cool

01:00:08.003 --> 01:00:09.403
diagram out there floating

01:00:09.423 --> 01:00:11.204
around that shows you the

01:00:11.244 --> 01:00:12.224
different breakdown in the

01:00:12.264 --> 01:00:14.826
storylines and how to actually watch it.

01:00:15.485 --> 01:00:16.766
Yeah, by different timelines, yeah.

01:00:16.786 --> 01:00:20.746
So, Black, did you have

01:00:23.367 --> 01:00:24.048
Anything else?

01:00:24.289 --> 01:00:25.849
I want to bring up the... So

01:00:27.210 --> 01:00:29.934
there's the three

01:00:29.974 --> 01:00:30.974
installments called the

01:00:31.034 --> 01:00:32.516
Thorn Trilogy and then the

01:00:32.576 --> 01:00:33.697
Michael Myers movies.

01:00:33.896 --> 01:00:36.559
So it's Halloween four, five, and six,

01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:38.581
where it kind of describes

01:00:38.840 --> 01:00:41.182
how Michael is actually the...

01:00:44.005 --> 01:00:45.106
suffering from a curse.

01:00:45.226 --> 01:00:47.208
So I guess there is a cult

01:00:47.228 --> 01:00:48.289
called the thorn cult,

01:00:48.349 --> 01:00:50.451
I think that is in Haddonfield.

01:00:51.112 --> 01:00:54.454
And, um, they select a child, um,

01:00:55.034 --> 01:00:56.155
that will be, uh,

01:00:56.195 --> 01:00:57.737
basically possessed by this

01:00:57.938 --> 01:01:00.420
demon or dark entity named thorn.

01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:02.041
And in order to, uh,

01:01:02.161 --> 01:01:04.543
make sure they have like less sickness,

01:01:04.684 --> 01:01:06.306
like more crops,

01:01:06.326 --> 01:01:07.507
like everything be fertile.

01:01:08.387 --> 01:01:08.527
Um,

01:01:10.369 --> 01:01:11.668
I believe a child will be

01:01:11.708 --> 01:01:13.210
possessed and basically I

01:01:13.309 --> 01:01:14.351
think their job is to kind

01:01:14.371 --> 01:01:15.831
of kill off their whole family line.

01:01:16.452 --> 01:01:17.831
Michael did not achieve this

01:01:17.871 --> 01:01:19.012
because Lori lived.

01:01:19.032 --> 01:01:22.034
And I guess it takes about

01:01:22.074 --> 01:01:23.135
three movies to kind of

01:01:23.175 --> 01:01:24.195
like talk about that.

01:01:24.215 --> 01:01:25.335
And he actually has like,

01:01:25.356 --> 01:01:27.356
I can't remember which movie it was,

01:01:27.396 --> 01:01:28.416
but you actually see like

01:01:28.496 --> 01:01:32.739
runes that are on his arms and hands.

01:01:32.759 --> 01:01:34.280
They look like Nordic runes.

01:01:34.440 --> 01:01:35.219
Yeah.

01:01:36.701 --> 01:01:37.822
I actually didn't know about this.

01:01:37.842 --> 01:01:38.583
I was like, oh, really?

01:01:38.603 --> 01:01:39.583
I didn't even know about that.

01:01:39.603 --> 01:01:40.485
I didn't either.

01:01:40.704 --> 01:01:41.945
This is the first I'm hearing of it.

01:01:43.847 --> 01:01:44.668
Yeah,

01:01:45.188 --> 01:01:46.849
but if you look up Halloween Thorn

01:01:46.869 --> 01:01:47.530
Trilogy,

01:01:48.271 --> 01:01:50.233
it kind of talks about it a little bit.

01:01:52.896 --> 01:01:54.356
I can get behind that a little bit more.

01:01:54.476 --> 01:01:55.878
I never watched those movies,

01:01:55.938 --> 01:01:57.760
but I think it kind of comes... Oh,

01:01:57.900 --> 01:01:58.561
Eric just said it.

01:01:58.661 --> 01:01:59.822
It kind of comes back to,

01:02:00.541 --> 01:02:02.023
here's the embodiment of evil.

01:02:03.536 --> 01:02:04.697
and that's what that that

01:02:04.737 --> 01:02:07.018
thorn entity is like a a

01:02:07.257 --> 01:02:09.659
demonic sort of god if you

01:02:09.679 --> 01:02:11.380
will demonic entity and

01:02:11.400 --> 01:02:12.099
you're kind of paying

01:02:12.139 --> 01:02:13.300
homage to it but with these

01:02:13.360 --> 01:02:14.780
sacrifices and everything

01:02:15.161 --> 01:02:17.021
um again I'm a little

01:02:17.061 --> 01:02:18.702
biased because I like more

01:02:18.762 --> 01:02:20.302
like supernatural aspects

01:02:20.702 --> 01:02:23.463
of horror movies so if

01:02:23.503 --> 01:02:24.563
anybody watched that what's

01:02:24.603 --> 01:02:25.744
your what's your thoughts

01:02:25.824 --> 01:02:27.445
on that I want to check it

01:02:27.525 --> 01:02:30.766
out now I got to yeah yeah

01:02:30.865 --> 01:02:32.306
yeah what about that

01:02:33.199 --> 01:02:34.641
I thought it was a neat concept.

01:02:37.744 --> 01:02:38.443
I thought it was a way for

01:02:38.483 --> 01:02:39.644
them to try to get back to

01:02:39.664 --> 01:02:42.367
that original... How in the

01:02:42.387 --> 01:02:44.989
hell did he get back up at

01:02:45.009 --> 01:02:45.630
the end of that movie?

01:02:45.650 --> 01:02:47.731
He can't die.

01:02:47.771 --> 01:02:48.592
And that's the trick.

01:02:48.652 --> 01:02:50.653
So we've had one, two,

01:02:50.713 --> 01:02:56.077
three... I want to say four timelines,

01:02:57.139 --> 01:02:58.380
not counting Rob Zombie,

01:02:58.659 --> 01:02:59.701
that have split off

01:03:00.300 --> 01:03:01.922
following the first Halloween film,

01:03:01.963 --> 01:03:02.202
right?

01:03:03.092 --> 01:03:04.172
And all of them have

01:03:04.213 --> 01:03:05.652
essentially tried to fix

01:03:05.693 --> 01:03:06.653
what they had screwed up in

01:03:06.673 --> 01:03:07.673
their first two films.

01:03:08.494 --> 01:03:08.635
Right.

01:03:08.655 --> 01:03:09.936
To try to turn him back into

01:03:09.976 --> 01:03:12.016
that force of nature.

01:03:12.217 --> 01:03:13.777
Which is really what he is, right?

01:03:13.797 --> 01:03:15.097
He's just a force of nature.

01:03:15.297 --> 01:03:16.699
That's what I feel like he is, yeah.

01:03:16.739 --> 01:03:17.418
For sure.

01:03:18.460 --> 01:03:20.121
And I think the Curse of Thorn,

01:03:22.442 --> 01:03:23.362
as much as this is probably

01:03:23.382 --> 01:03:24.123
going to piss off the

01:03:24.143 --> 01:03:25.603
people that loved the...

01:03:26.704 --> 01:03:28.664
Was it Blumhouse that did the last...

01:03:31.099 --> 01:03:32.840
Halloween ends, Halloween kills,

01:03:32.900 --> 01:03:34.983
and Halloween fucking we're

01:03:35.003 --> 01:03:36.563
done for another fifteen years.

01:03:36.864 --> 01:03:37.684
I didn't watch it, so.

01:03:39.927 --> 01:03:40.606
I didn't watch them.

01:03:40.827 --> 01:03:42.128
No, I didn't watch them.

01:03:42.449 --> 01:03:44.570
We'll argue about that later, Jay.

01:03:44.590 --> 01:03:44.990
No problem.

01:03:45.490 --> 01:03:48.813
I watched them, and Halloween kills,

01:03:49.193 --> 01:03:50.295
I absolutely hate it.

01:03:50.315 --> 01:03:52.856
Really?

01:03:52.876 --> 01:03:53.958
That was the first one of the trilogy,

01:03:53.978 --> 01:03:54.077
right?

01:03:54.097 --> 01:03:56.981
That was the last one.

01:03:57.001 --> 01:03:58.302
See, I thought that was Halloween ends.

01:04:01.458 --> 01:04:02.438
I don't know.

01:04:02.458 --> 01:04:02.818
Yeah, you're right.

01:04:02.898 --> 01:04:03.418
Halloween ends.

01:04:03.438 --> 01:04:04.059
One of them was awesome.

01:04:04.099 --> 01:04:04.739
The other one was like,

01:04:04.760 --> 01:04:05.659
you're not even close to

01:04:05.699 --> 01:04:06.420
where you started.

01:04:07.161 --> 01:04:07.702
Let me see.

01:04:08.422 --> 01:04:09.402
So it's Halloween Kills.

01:04:09.623 --> 01:04:11.143
Halloween... Wait, no.

01:04:11.184 --> 01:04:12.284
There's Halloween,

01:04:12.784 --> 01:04:14.465
and then there's Halloween Kills,

01:04:14.485 --> 01:04:15.947
and then there's Halloween Kills,

01:04:15.967 --> 01:04:17.847
and then there's Halloween Kills, Yes,

01:04:17.907 --> 01:04:18.887
so the first two were good.

01:04:18.907 --> 01:04:19.969
The third one was garbage.

01:04:19.989 --> 01:04:21.550
We can save that for a later episode.

01:04:21.929 --> 01:04:22.391
Terrible.

01:04:22.931 --> 01:04:23.570
Okay.

01:04:23.751 --> 01:04:25.452
That's the one I was thinking about.

01:04:25.672 --> 01:04:26.432
Yeah.

01:04:26.472 --> 01:04:27.893
So the Thorne trilogy, I thought,

01:04:27.914 --> 01:04:29.494
was neat as hell because they took...

01:04:30.389 --> 01:04:32.170
What essentially was an old,

01:04:33.070 --> 01:04:34.851
commonly known... Is that

01:04:35.172 --> 01:04:37.052
like a separate movie thing?

01:04:37.512 --> 01:04:38.052
It's not.

01:04:38.092 --> 01:04:40.494
So it's actually Halloween V, VI, and VII,

01:04:40.534 --> 01:04:41.213
if I remember right.

01:04:41.773 --> 01:04:43.434
It starts with the curse of Michael Myers,

01:04:43.474 --> 01:04:44.414
and it actually has Dr.

01:04:44.454 --> 01:04:46.135
Loomis introduce the curse of Thorne,

01:04:46.255 --> 01:04:46.456
right?

01:04:46.936 --> 01:04:47.175
Okay.

01:04:47.235 --> 01:04:49.097
The story arc is the leader

01:04:49.137 --> 01:04:50.137
of the curse of Thorne

01:04:50.237 --> 01:04:52.498
identifies Michael Myers as

01:04:52.757 --> 01:04:54.038
someone who needs to kill

01:04:54.097 --> 01:04:56.179
his entire family as a

01:04:56.259 --> 01:04:58.340
blood sacrifice to ensure...

01:04:59.338 --> 01:05:01.900
The success of everyone else.

01:05:02.981 --> 01:05:03.260
Right.

01:05:03.300 --> 01:05:04.362
So super cliched.

01:05:04.402 --> 01:05:05.882
Very children of the corn.

01:05:06.844 --> 01:05:09.106
Yeah.

01:05:09.585 --> 01:05:11.088
But with Michael Myers.

01:05:11.128 --> 01:05:12.349
So instead of Jacob.

01:05:12.409 --> 01:05:13.509
You've got Michael Myers.

01:05:13.528 --> 01:05:14.831
I had to write it down.

01:05:14.851 --> 01:05:16.132
Because I don't want to forget later.

01:05:16.652 --> 01:05:17.992
It's really not a bad movie.

01:05:18.172 --> 01:05:19.855
But just go one.

01:05:20.454 --> 01:05:21.275
Five six seven.

01:05:21.755 --> 01:05:23.077
Okay one five six seven.

01:05:26.360 --> 01:05:27.820
And it's all based around Samhain.

01:05:28.918 --> 01:05:30.579
Or Sam Hine or Howard.

01:05:30.639 --> 01:05:31.659
I'm not healthy.

01:05:31.679 --> 01:05:32.079
Yeah, there you go.

01:05:32.740 --> 01:05:35.541
I'm from Georgia, man.

01:05:35.581 --> 01:05:36.943
Dialect and math are just,

01:05:37.262 --> 01:05:38.143
they don't fucking happen.

01:05:38.163 --> 01:05:39.583
We don't do those where we come from.

01:05:39.623 --> 01:05:40.583
We don't do that shit.

01:05:40.744 --> 01:05:41.784
English don't do good here.

01:05:41.804 --> 01:05:44.106
I'm kidding.

01:05:44.226 --> 01:05:44.746
I got you.

01:05:46.427 --> 01:05:49.007
But they're solid movies by themselves,

01:05:49.148 --> 01:05:49.307
right?

01:05:49.347 --> 01:05:50.507
The problem with these is

01:05:50.588 --> 01:05:51.349
always when you try the

01:05:51.409 --> 01:05:55.251
time and the overarching Halloween thing.

01:05:55.271 --> 01:05:56.150
Because no one

01:05:57.295 --> 01:05:57.775
No one,

01:05:57.795 --> 01:05:59.297
with the exception of John Carpenter.

01:06:00.777 --> 01:06:03.380
And, to an extent, Rob Zombie.

01:06:03.940 --> 01:06:05.780
But again, different episode.

01:06:06.402 --> 01:06:07.422
I've been able to really

01:06:07.501 --> 01:06:10.804
capture who Michael Myers is.

01:06:11.644 --> 01:06:12.585
But this one, I think,

01:06:12.626 --> 01:06:13.885
has done the best job of

01:06:13.925 --> 01:06:15.807
trying to wrap that up into a nice,

01:06:15.907 --> 01:06:19.269
neat little package for the monies.

01:06:19.289 --> 01:06:19.429
Yeah.

01:06:20.150 --> 01:06:22.472
Black.

01:06:22.552 --> 01:06:22.791
Black.

01:06:24.750 --> 01:06:24.909
No,

01:06:25.030 --> 01:06:26.952
I was thinking while you guys were

01:06:27.012 --> 01:06:30.054
saying that, that makes sense.

01:06:30.556 --> 01:06:31.797
If you're breaking up the

01:06:31.836 --> 01:06:34.139
timeline and that's part of that timeline,

01:06:34.179 --> 01:06:35.721
then those movies make sense.

01:06:35.740 --> 01:06:36.681
Mm-hmm.

01:06:37.876 --> 01:06:40.938
So I need to revisit this whole series,

01:06:41.057 --> 01:06:42.639
except for that last movie

01:06:42.679 --> 01:06:43.259
took me out of it.

01:06:43.599 --> 01:06:45.900
Yeah, I'm not going to fuck with those.

01:06:46.280 --> 01:06:47.001
I'm going to go watch it the

01:06:47.021 --> 01:06:47.880
way he just said, though.

01:06:48.342 --> 01:06:49.581
Yeah, me too.

01:06:50.143 --> 01:06:51.163
I've got a graphic,

01:06:51.202 --> 01:06:52.523
and I'll see if I can find it.

01:06:52.563 --> 01:06:54.184
I think I have it, too, saved somewhere.

01:06:54.824 --> 01:06:55.525
I'm pretty sure I do.

01:06:57.005 --> 01:06:57.467
I got charts.

01:06:57.507 --> 01:06:58.927
It's all five timelines.

01:06:58.987 --> 01:06:59.728
It's really cool.

01:07:00.248 --> 01:07:01.409
And it breaks it down from

01:07:01.630 --> 01:07:02.911
one to two and where they

01:07:02.972 --> 01:07:04.172
split and everything.

01:07:04.193 --> 01:07:05.233
So it basically tells you

01:07:05.253 --> 01:07:06.755
the five ways to watch the

01:07:06.795 --> 01:07:08.516
Halloween series where it

01:07:08.536 --> 01:07:09.057
fucking makes sense.

01:07:09.077 --> 01:07:09.338
Makes sense.

01:07:09.777 --> 01:07:10.599
Kind of jive, yeah.

01:07:10.619 --> 01:07:10.938
Yeah.

01:07:10.958 --> 01:07:12.260
Okay.

01:07:12.280 --> 01:07:12.940
And they're complete.

01:07:12.960 --> 01:07:14.702
They're drastically different stories.

01:07:16.465 --> 01:07:16.565
Yeah.

01:07:16.945 --> 01:07:18.266
If it's the graphic that I have,

01:07:18.626 --> 01:07:20.889
it tells you what each storyline is.

01:07:21.641 --> 01:07:22.860
yeah revolves around too

01:07:22.981 --> 01:07:24.681
like you start here you go

01:07:24.742 --> 01:07:25.661
over here and that will

01:07:25.681 --> 01:07:27.882
cover you know this and

01:07:27.902 --> 01:07:28.822
then this one will cover

01:07:28.922 --> 01:07:31.364
this yep so eric johnson

01:07:31.403 --> 01:07:32.443
I'll have to try to track

01:07:32.463 --> 01:07:35.385
it down so eric says please

01:07:35.445 --> 01:07:37.326
share it please if you guys

01:07:37.365 --> 01:07:38.525
can so maybe we can share

01:07:38.565 --> 01:07:40.405
it to one of our pages um

01:07:40.947 --> 01:07:42.047
that way people can kind of

01:07:42.306 --> 01:07:45.628
get behind that um so on all uh

01:07:46.231 --> 01:07:47.112
John Carpenter,

01:07:47.552 --> 01:07:50.072
one of the awesome masters of horror,

01:07:50.112 --> 01:07:53.393
did not disappoint with this franchise,

01:07:53.574 --> 01:07:56.673
at least from the boot, in my opinion.

01:07:57.853 --> 01:07:58.675
In my opinion,

01:07:59.175 --> 01:08:00.315
one of the greatest boogeyman,

01:08:00.795 --> 01:08:02.054
definitely the top three.

01:08:02.614 --> 01:08:04.215
Absolutely adore Michael and

01:08:04.235 --> 01:08:05.376
terrifying Michael Myers.

01:08:07.817 --> 01:08:10.556
So Jeff, who else you got on your list?

01:08:11.217 --> 01:08:12.317
Okay,

01:08:12.336 --> 01:08:13.597
you want me to do a breakdown of the

01:08:13.637 --> 01:08:14.597
rest of my list?

01:08:15.938 --> 01:08:16.257
Yeah,

01:08:16.278 --> 01:08:19.359
because that was basically the only

01:08:19.399 --> 01:08:19.659
other.

01:08:19.841 --> 01:08:21.140
I only had one other movie,

01:08:21.220 --> 01:08:22.322
but it was kind of sketch

01:08:22.341 --> 01:08:24.382
and whether I wanted to add it.

01:08:24.682 --> 01:08:26.144
So it's called Lights Out.

01:08:26.824 --> 01:08:27.824
Never heard of it.

01:08:27.845 --> 01:08:28.746
What's the monster in it?

01:08:29.645 --> 01:08:31.127
So the monster is.

01:08:32.328 --> 01:08:34.368
Well, yeah,

01:08:34.389 --> 01:08:36.109
the monster is more of a ghost.

01:08:36.751 --> 01:08:38.110
OK.

01:08:38.150 --> 01:08:42.134
Monster is more.

01:08:42.173 --> 01:08:43.654
Maybe.

01:08:43.715 --> 01:08:44.175
Go ahead, Chris.

01:08:45.494 --> 01:08:50.658
so I am go ahead for hours

01:08:50.738 --> 01:08:52.220
anybody knows me knows that

01:08:52.239 --> 01:08:54.421
we know from the last

01:08:54.561 --> 01:08:57.503
episode you go ahead you go

01:08:57.524 --> 01:08:58.904
ahead bro I'm of the

01:08:58.944 --> 01:09:01.265
mindset that regardless of

01:09:01.305 --> 01:09:03.648
the form it takes trauma

01:09:03.707 --> 01:09:04.769
itself is a boogeyman

01:09:07.367 --> 01:09:09.346
So if your trauma shows up as a ghost,

01:09:09.506 --> 01:09:10.988
if it shows up as a vampire,

01:09:11.148 --> 01:09:14.167
if it shows up as a werewolf, quote,

01:09:14.247 --> 01:09:14.948
it follows.

01:09:18.509 --> 01:09:19.529
Your definition at the start

01:09:19.548 --> 01:09:20.309
of the show was what?

01:09:21.029 --> 01:09:23.050
It's normally masculine or androgynous.

01:09:24.810 --> 01:09:27.011
But it is known by every culture worldwide,

01:09:27.051 --> 01:09:28.671
regardless of what we call it.

01:09:29.810 --> 01:09:32.072
Trauma is the one thing that,

01:09:32.351 --> 01:09:34.231
regardless of culture, we all know.

01:09:35.054 --> 01:09:36.534
yeah so I don't care what it

01:09:36.574 --> 01:09:38.414
shows up as if it's

01:09:38.435 --> 01:09:39.435
traumatic to the main

01:09:39.456 --> 01:09:41.395
character it can appear out

01:09:41.456 --> 01:09:43.056
of nowhere cause physical

01:09:43.096 --> 01:09:44.738
harm or distress or protect

01:09:45.057 --> 01:09:45.917
right if we want to use

01:09:45.938 --> 01:09:46.918
that part of the definition

01:09:48.538 --> 01:09:49.520
then it's a damn boogeyman

01:09:49.699 --> 01:09:51.300
so diana from lights out

01:09:51.720 --> 01:09:53.161
absolutely counts and she

01:09:53.180 --> 01:09:55.421
was fucking terrifying so

01:09:55.462 --> 01:09:56.181
I'm gonna have to check it

01:09:56.261 --> 01:09:58.422
out um it's making the list

01:09:59.015 --> 01:10:01.438
So Willie says Lights Out was phenomenal.

01:10:03.099 --> 01:10:04.039
I remember this movie was

01:10:04.079 --> 01:10:05.461
coming out and I want to

01:10:05.501 --> 01:10:08.003
give a huge shout out to Teresa Palmer.

01:10:09.225 --> 01:10:11.766
She is the main character in this movie.

01:10:12.606 --> 01:10:15.430
Absolutely amazing actress.

01:10:15.810 --> 01:10:17.131
I absolutely adore her.

01:10:17.190 --> 01:10:19.592
She's definitely drawn to the

01:10:20.833 --> 01:10:22.414
supernatural and horror.

01:10:22.435 --> 01:10:23.135
If you guys have never

01:10:23.175 --> 01:10:24.515
watched Discovery of Witches,

01:10:24.555 --> 01:10:25.336
just a side note,

01:10:25.355 --> 01:10:26.956
it's a great book and a

01:10:27.055 --> 01:10:28.256
great series that she's in.

01:10:28.277 --> 01:10:29.657
I have read it.

01:10:29.756 --> 01:10:30.436
I've read, yeah.

01:10:31.578 --> 01:10:33.078
She's amazing.

01:10:34.719 --> 01:10:36.659
Yeah, she, as Eric says,

01:10:37.079 --> 01:10:39.260
she always chooses really good roles.

01:10:39.439 --> 01:10:40.240
So it was kind of like an

01:10:40.421 --> 01:10:41.640
autopilot thing for me.

01:10:41.680 --> 01:10:42.862
Like, oh, Teresa Palmer's in it?

01:10:42.881 --> 01:10:43.881
Girl, let's check it out.

01:10:43.962 --> 01:10:45.061
What are we doing?

01:10:45.082 --> 01:10:45.863
What'd you pick?

01:10:46.443 --> 01:10:47.622
What, you like the script?

01:10:47.662 --> 01:10:48.484
Okay, me too.

01:10:48.543 --> 01:10:49.243
I'm watching it.

01:10:49.944 --> 01:10:52.706
So, I'm watching this movie,

01:10:53.145 --> 01:10:54.146
and I kid you not,

01:10:54.247 --> 01:10:55.087
I was kind of afraid to

01:10:55.127 --> 01:10:57.328
turn the lights out for a little bit,

01:10:57.548 --> 01:11:00.011
as Willie pointed out.

01:11:00.070 --> 01:11:01.712
Like, the last legit movie, like,

01:11:01.811 --> 01:11:03.774
this movie, like, actually, like, didn't,

01:11:04.533 --> 01:11:06.595
like, it had him shook, it had me shook.

01:11:06.676 --> 01:11:07.817
I didn't want to turn the lights out.

01:11:07.856 --> 01:11:08.577
Like, I was scared.

01:11:09.257 --> 01:11:09.658
Again,

01:11:10.118 --> 01:11:11.359
they kind of portrayed it as a ghost,

01:11:11.399 --> 01:11:14.640
but as you so eloquently put, Chris, it's

01:11:15.942 --> 01:11:18.846
It's a boogeyman if it's the criteria.

01:11:19.046 --> 01:11:19.427
I mean,

01:11:19.547 --> 01:11:21.572
it's kind of like what your trauma

01:11:21.591 --> 01:11:22.773
produced and that's what happened.

01:11:22.793 --> 01:11:24.355
The list that I have and the

01:11:24.456 --> 01:11:25.398
ones that were missing on

01:11:25.438 --> 01:11:26.579
the list will make sense

01:11:26.619 --> 01:11:28.923
too if we look at it that way.

01:11:29.003 --> 01:11:29.184
Yeah.

01:11:31.021 --> 01:11:31.282
I mean,

01:11:31.662 --> 01:11:33.042
that's why I kind of chose

01:11:33.182 --> 01:11:35.005
Boogeyman because I wasn't

01:11:35.024 --> 01:11:36.005
really sure how else to

01:11:36.024 --> 01:11:37.265
kind of... It's a catch-all.

01:11:37.345 --> 01:11:37.707
It does.

01:11:37.806 --> 01:11:38.587
I don't know how else to

01:11:38.606 --> 01:11:41.609
describe Freddy or Jason or

01:11:41.989 --> 01:11:44.551
Michael or a lot of other movies as in,

01:11:45.131 --> 01:11:46.372
to me, they're just Boogeyman.

01:11:46.893 --> 01:11:47.833
They're Boogeyman.

01:11:48.054 --> 01:11:48.934
They're things that you kind

01:11:48.953 --> 01:11:50.576
of conjured from your fears,

01:11:50.655 --> 01:11:53.717
your nightmares, and that's just, to me,

01:11:53.797 --> 01:11:54.899
utterly terrifying.

01:11:55.618 --> 01:11:55.819
So...

01:11:56.939 --> 01:11:58.400
Here's the rest of my list.

01:11:58.480 --> 01:12:01.002
These were kind of random,

01:12:01.061 --> 01:12:01.801
thrown together.

01:12:02.782 --> 01:12:03.622
I don't want to say last

01:12:03.643 --> 01:12:06.182
minute because I did this at lunchtime.

01:12:06.463 --> 01:12:13.126
A new one for me is the Smile Entity.

01:12:13.206 --> 01:12:13.305
Okay.

01:12:13.326 --> 01:12:13.765
It's a reach.

01:12:13.786 --> 01:12:15.006
I've kind of looked at that

01:12:15.027 --> 01:12:16.806
as more of a demon, but that's me.

01:12:17.207 --> 01:12:17.807
Art the Clown,

01:12:18.188 --> 01:12:19.467
which I think is also more

01:12:19.488 --> 01:12:21.029
of a possession slash demon.

01:12:21.788 --> 01:12:22.770
Mr. Crockett,

01:12:22.869 --> 01:12:26.091
if you have not watched that on Hulu,

01:12:26.896 --> 01:12:27.837
on Hulu Screams.

01:12:29.818 --> 01:12:31.177
I think it might be a

01:12:31.278 --> 01:12:32.877
Goosebumps Universe type of deal.

01:12:32.898 --> 01:12:34.537
Is Mr. Crocker the name of it, Jeff?

01:12:35.819 --> 01:12:36.519
I don't think so.

01:12:36.779 --> 01:12:38.319
He's the main villain in it.

01:12:39.059 --> 01:12:41.019
Let me look it up.

01:12:41.259 --> 01:12:42.039
And then the Babadook.

01:12:42.079 --> 01:12:43.119
I think we talked about that one.

01:12:43.159 --> 01:12:43.800
The Tall Man.

01:12:43.819 --> 01:12:47.720
Oh, boy.

01:12:47.740 --> 01:12:49.661
Yeah.

01:12:50.261 --> 01:12:50.621
Boogle?

01:12:50.860 --> 01:12:52.541
I think that's how you pronounce it.

01:12:52.600 --> 01:12:52.921
Boogle?

01:12:55.322 --> 01:12:55.561
Um...

01:12:57.099 --> 01:12:58.479
Here's a really good one for you.

01:12:59.320 --> 01:12:59.921
I got two more.

01:13:00.180 --> 01:13:03.404
Krampus.

01:13:04.003 --> 01:13:04.144
Alright.

01:13:04.163 --> 01:13:04.944
And finally...

01:13:06.177 --> 01:13:07.439
Well, no, I want to say finally,

01:13:07.458 --> 01:13:08.498
because I'm saving one for

01:13:08.519 --> 01:13:09.559
the very last minute.

01:13:09.578 --> 01:13:11.380
So you can actually look at

01:13:11.460 --> 01:13:13.720
Santa as being a boogeyman as well,

01:13:13.820 --> 01:13:15.201
because Santa would be like

01:13:15.240 --> 01:13:16.402
the protector of children.

01:13:16.761 --> 01:13:16.862
Yes.

01:13:16.942 --> 01:13:17.862
And then you can look at

01:13:17.902 --> 01:13:19.863
Krampus as the punisher.

01:13:20.804 --> 01:13:21.184
Yes.

01:13:21.583 --> 01:13:21.923
Love it.

01:13:22.404 --> 01:13:23.545
Because if you actually

01:13:23.604 --> 01:13:25.024
watch the movie Krampus,

01:13:25.465 --> 01:13:27.485
he punishes that whole family.

01:13:28.246 --> 01:13:29.186
And they ask us.

01:13:30.167 --> 01:13:32.108
I absolutely love this movie.

01:13:34.229 --> 01:13:35.408
It really, really is.

01:13:35.529 --> 01:13:36.229
I mean,

01:13:36.529 --> 01:13:38.770
just the way that... I think it's German.

01:13:38.871 --> 01:13:39.411
Is that right?

01:13:39.511 --> 01:13:40.610
I think it's German.

01:13:41.311 --> 01:13:42.152
It is, yeah.

01:13:42.271 --> 01:13:44.012
The story and origin of

01:13:44.132 --> 01:13:45.372
where Krampus comes from.

01:13:45.393 --> 01:13:47.854
I like it because instead of

01:13:47.934 --> 01:13:49.534
you being on Santa's naughty list,

01:13:49.595 --> 01:13:50.895
Santa doesn't have a naughty list.

01:13:50.935 --> 01:13:51.855
He has Krampus.

01:13:52.275 --> 01:13:53.195
Or him and Krampus are

01:13:53.235 --> 01:13:54.617
homies and he's like, hey, Krampus.

01:13:54.636 --> 01:13:56.476
You need to go check out Johnny.

01:13:56.497 --> 01:13:57.677
He's being a little shit.

01:13:59.076 --> 01:13:59.536
This one,

01:13:59.676 --> 01:14:00.756
I don't know if y'all ready for it yet,

01:14:00.777 --> 01:14:01.637
but this movie scared the

01:14:01.658 --> 01:14:03.179
fucking shit out of me when I was a kid.

01:14:03.219 --> 01:14:04.119
Pardon my French,

01:14:04.180 --> 01:14:05.940
but it scared the living shit out of me.

01:14:07.381 --> 01:14:07.603
Okay.

01:14:07.643 --> 01:14:08.342
That's terrible.

01:14:08.984 --> 01:14:09.703
That's terrible,

01:14:10.003 --> 01:14:10.904
but it didn't scare me as

01:14:10.944 --> 01:14:12.185
bad as the Candyman did.

01:14:12.206 --> 01:14:17.170
Oh, Helen, be my victim.

01:14:17.189 --> 01:14:18.890
Tony Todd scares the shit out of me.

01:14:19.511 --> 01:14:20.893
To this day.

01:14:21.533 --> 01:14:23.614
I liked the remake.

01:14:25.829 --> 01:14:29.712
that I did too me too was um

01:14:29.792 --> 01:14:32.094
who is that dude with the

01:14:32.134 --> 01:14:33.333
newest bets and everything

01:14:33.354 --> 01:14:34.694
they have yep scared the

01:14:34.734 --> 01:14:35.796
shit out of me still I

01:14:35.895 --> 01:14:37.497
loved it I wish here's a

01:14:37.516 --> 01:14:39.238
fun fact here's a fun fact

01:14:39.257 --> 01:14:40.738
about the original candy

01:14:40.759 --> 01:14:42.720
man yeah the bees were real

01:14:43.300 --> 01:14:45.442
yeah yeah I read that that

01:14:45.521 --> 01:14:48.684
crazy crazy shit oh my gosh

01:14:49.801 --> 01:14:51.063
So they did an episode of...

01:14:51.342 --> 01:14:52.743
Eli Roth did an episode of

01:14:53.523 --> 01:14:55.783
Masters of Horror, I think.

01:14:55.884 --> 01:14:56.384
Okay.

01:14:56.463 --> 01:14:57.645
Where they covered Candyman.

01:14:58.024 --> 01:14:59.966
And he had Todd on there

01:15:00.265 --> 01:15:01.286
talking about that role,

01:15:01.525 --> 01:15:02.186
going through all that.

01:15:02.207 --> 01:15:02.447
You know,

01:15:02.947 --> 01:15:04.886
he was a stage-trained Broadway actor.

01:15:04.948 --> 01:15:05.507
Tony Todd, okay.

01:15:06.188 --> 01:15:08.529
He got that presence.

01:15:08.569 --> 01:15:10.109
No other slasher dresses or

01:15:10.149 --> 01:15:11.770
carries himself as classy

01:15:12.289 --> 01:15:13.451
as Candyman does.

01:15:14.131 --> 01:15:17.292
And, I mean, frankly, he was the first...

01:15:19.042 --> 01:15:21.622
He was the first black slasher icon,

01:15:21.682 --> 01:15:21.983
right?

01:15:22.564 --> 01:15:23.024
Yes.

01:15:23.283 --> 01:15:24.545
There wasn't one before.

01:15:24.904 --> 01:15:26.445
I can't recall one, no.

01:15:27.305 --> 01:15:28.487
Outside of the seventies

01:15:28.567 --> 01:15:29.907
exploitation stuff.

01:15:32.268 --> 01:15:33.269
Not even that, because this role,

01:15:33.309 --> 01:15:34.649
you had to take him serious.

01:15:35.109 --> 01:15:36.029
Oh, for damn sure.

01:15:36.890 --> 01:15:38.030
He scared the shit out of me.

01:15:38.490 --> 01:15:38.952
Most definitely.

01:15:38.971 --> 01:15:41.153
He had that voice and that gravitas, like,

01:15:41.233 --> 01:15:43.373
holy shit, this guy means business.

01:15:43.493 --> 01:15:45.494
Final Destination had Tony Todd as well,

01:15:45.555 --> 01:15:45.875
right?

01:15:48.355 --> 01:15:50.057
well and he kind of changed

01:15:50.097 --> 01:15:51.998
that tone of that movie too

01:15:52.059 --> 01:15:53.140
like especially the first

01:15:53.180 --> 01:15:54.560
Final Destination for me

01:15:54.619 --> 01:15:57.141
like I remember you know

01:15:57.181 --> 01:15:58.302
you got Devin Sawa in there

01:15:58.323 --> 01:15:59.182
and you're like oh shit

01:15:59.222 --> 01:16:00.623
this shit's going down it's

01:16:00.644 --> 01:16:01.765
crazy and then you see Tony

01:16:01.805 --> 01:16:03.666
Todd and you're like oh

01:16:04.287 --> 01:16:04.966
shit you knew it was

01:16:05.006 --> 01:16:06.268
getting serious if Tony

01:16:06.307 --> 01:16:07.708
Todd shows up with that

01:16:07.769 --> 01:16:10.371
voice dude totally changed

01:16:10.390 --> 01:16:12.731
it and what I love about

01:16:12.771 --> 01:16:13.733
his scene in Final

01:16:13.752 --> 01:16:15.594
Destination Jen what's that

01:16:16.091 --> 01:16:17.231
The hook hanging off the

01:16:17.311 --> 01:16:17.971
edge of the basket.

01:16:17.992 --> 01:16:18.811
I know!

01:16:18.832 --> 01:16:20.613
That was the shout out to the candy man.

01:16:21.033 --> 01:16:22.512
That was the shout out to the candy man.

01:16:22.533 --> 01:16:24.353
Oh, yeah.

01:16:25.373 --> 01:16:26.774
And, you know, to me, like,

01:16:26.793 --> 01:16:28.573
Tony and Todd could show up in, like,

01:16:28.974 --> 01:16:31.154
any horror movie and it'll

01:16:31.194 --> 01:16:31.875
change it for me.

01:16:32.095 --> 01:16:32.295
Like,

01:16:32.414 --> 01:16:33.774
it'll immediately make me feel like

01:16:34.414 --> 01:16:35.475
maybe we should turn on a light.

01:16:35.755 --> 01:16:36.376
Just like one.

01:16:36.515 --> 01:16:37.595
Just like, can we light a candle?

01:16:37.695 --> 01:16:38.996
Like, burn some sage?

01:16:39.115 --> 01:16:40.815
Like, I don't know.

01:16:41.015 --> 01:16:41.756
One thing's for sure.

01:16:41.815 --> 01:16:43.737
You're not saying the name

01:16:43.856 --> 01:16:45.056
Candyman three times.

01:16:45.345 --> 01:16:45.925
No.

01:16:45.984 --> 01:16:47.426
To this fucking day.

01:16:47.765 --> 01:16:48.907
To this fucking day.

01:16:50.087 --> 01:16:50.886
I will not.

01:16:50.907 --> 01:16:52.568
And if I hear you thinking about it,

01:16:53.429 --> 01:16:54.809
I hear you thinking about it,

01:16:54.828 --> 01:16:55.590
you get in the belt.

01:16:55.649 --> 01:16:56.609
I don't care who you are.

01:16:57.670 --> 01:16:59.791
But my last one, though.

01:16:59.831 --> 01:17:00.631
What's that?

01:17:00.872 --> 01:17:02.432
Pale Man, Pan's Labyrinth.

01:17:02.453 --> 01:17:05.934
Man, I don't want to talk about that shit.

01:17:06.453 --> 01:17:06.854
Okay?

01:17:07.255 --> 01:17:08.154
That shit gave me nightmares.

01:17:08.175 --> 01:17:09.275
That movie is terrible.

01:17:11.009 --> 01:17:12.113
Love the movie.

01:17:12.695 --> 01:17:14.925
Pale Man scares the fucking

01:17:14.944 --> 01:17:15.487
shit out of me.

01:17:16.427 --> 01:17:17.328
That whole movie.

01:17:17.728 --> 01:17:19.189
That movie's fucked up, dude.

01:17:22.289 --> 01:17:23.871
The first time I saw that movie,

01:17:23.890 --> 01:17:25.310
I was like, oh my god.

01:17:25.350 --> 01:17:25.610
Right?

01:17:25.751 --> 01:17:27.171
Because you go into it thinking, oh,

01:17:27.212 --> 01:17:28.112
this is going to be like a

01:17:28.152 --> 01:17:29.372
kid's Goonies type.

01:17:29.391 --> 01:17:31.313
Oh my god, why is his eyes in his hands?

01:17:31.332 --> 01:17:34.253
What is this?

01:17:34.774 --> 01:17:38.676
Turn the fucking lights on, please.

01:17:38.735 --> 01:17:40.256
Turn the lights on.

01:17:41.115 --> 01:17:42.556
I cannot watch this in the dark.

01:17:43.911 --> 01:17:46.033
And Guillermo del Toro has

01:17:46.994 --> 01:17:50.279
such amazing creatures in

01:17:50.720 --> 01:17:51.701
all of his movies.

01:17:52.783 --> 01:17:54.305
I remember when they did...

01:17:54.985 --> 01:17:56.247
I'm getting off track a little bit,

01:17:56.307 --> 01:17:57.668
but when they did...

01:17:59.411 --> 01:18:01.971
When they did Hellboy II and

01:18:02.292 --> 01:18:04.311
The Golden Army and he had

01:18:04.351 --> 01:18:05.773
the Angel of Death.

01:18:06.632 --> 01:18:08.332
It's almost like his signature.

01:18:08.872 --> 01:18:11.354
He's got these very eerie

01:18:11.974 --> 01:18:14.595
creatures in his movies and

01:18:14.854 --> 01:18:18.775
they just send a shiver up my spine.

01:18:19.115 --> 01:18:20.176
But they're beautiful.

01:18:20.497 --> 01:18:23.118
And I love them.

01:18:23.139 --> 01:18:23.198
Yes.

01:18:23.219 --> 01:18:24.539
Even his anthology series

01:18:24.600 --> 01:18:25.621
last year on Hulu.

01:18:25.640 --> 01:18:27.481
The Cabinet of Curiosity.

01:18:27.582 --> 01:18:28.021
Yes.

01:18:28.643 --> 01:18:30.264
The Cabinet of Curiosity.

01:18:31.524 --> 01:18:32.045
So good.

01:18:32.265 --> 01:18:34.046
The fact that he chose two H.P.

01:18:34.087 --> 01:18:36.108
Lovecraft adaptations that he did.

01:18:36.188 --> 01:18:36.988
And he nailed them.

01:18:37.009 --> 01:18:37.748
That series.

01:18:38.289 --> 01:18:41.072
Can we just reflect real quick?

01:18:41.152 --> 01:18:42.512
Last year's horror stuff

01:18:43.453 --> 01:18:45.114
blew this year's shit out of the water.

01:18:45.875 --> 01:18:46.555
Agreed.

01:18:47.788 --> 01:18:48.970
Last year was one of the

01:18:49.051 --> 01:18:50.372
freakiest fucking years ever.

01:18:50.734 --> 01:18:51.895
It was good.

01:18:51.975 --> 01:18:54.259
We've had some good horror movie years.

01:18:54.359 --> 01:18:54.979
Yeah, definitely.

01:18:56.341 --> 01:18:57.783
Every now and then.

01:18:57.804 --> 01:18:58.926
There was something Eric

01:18:58.985 --> 01:19:00.908
said that actually...

01:19:03.087 --> 01:19:04.307
It was spot on.

01:19:04.467 --> 01:19:05.569
So if you kind of look at

01:19:05.609 --> 01:19:08.189
the definition of, yeah.

01:19:09.891 --> 01:19:12.974
So it came to America as the grudge,

01:19:13.033 --> 01:19:15.135
but in Japan it was called Ju-on.

01:19:17.195 --> 01:19:19.557
That is another one I think is great.

01:19:19.618 --> 01:19:23.380
And there's actually a comic

01:19:23.439 --> 01:19:25.622
strip of the grudge.

01:19:27.092 --> 01:19:29.434
Yeah, it's Samara, right?

01:19:29.493 --> 01:19:30.515
It's the little girl.

01:19:30.935 --> 01:19:32.515
There's actually a comic strip.

01:19:32.595 --> 01:19:33.855
I'm getting a little off topic again,

01:19:33.876 --> 01:19:34.855
but there's a comic strip

01:19:34.876 --> 01:19:36.157
that has Samara on there.

01:19:37.337 --> 01:19:41.139
Is it the ring?

01:19:41.359 --> 01:19:41.998
Okay, it's the ring.

01:19:42.498 --> 01:19:42.798
Actually,

01:19:42.819 --> 01:19:44.380
that's kind of along the same vein, too.

01:19:44.420 --> 01:19:45.199
They're all within the

01:19:45.260 --> 01:19:48.020
same... They're both on the same boat.

01:19:49.322 --> 01:19:52.722
So, actually, the entity,

01:19:52.802 --> 01:19:53.863
you could actually say...

01:19:55.815 --> 01:19:57.657
Is fueled by um,

01:19:57.697 --> 01:19:58.837
maybe somebody's death

01:19:58.858 --> 01:20:02.060
Their own death it was their own death.

01:20:02.260 --> 01:20:03.140
Yeah their own death.

01:20:03.720 --> 01:20:03.820
Um,

01:20:04.421 --> 01:20:06.603
yeah even uh going after people that

01:20:06.682 --> 01:20:08.463
wrong them um,

01:20:08.543 --> 01:20:09.864
or even share like the same

01:20:09.925 --> 01:20:12.646
emotion or What have you um,

01:20:12.667 --> 01:20:14.007
the grudge is definitely um

01:20:14.108 --> 01:20:15.269
another movie I tell you

01:20:15.309 --> 01:20:16.588
what man that that is

01:20:16.628 --> 01:20:18.251
another intro to a movie

01:20:18.951 --> 01:20:20.631
Just seeing that that little girl

01:20:23.533 --> 01:20:25.536
That's terrifying.

01:20:25.615 --> 01:20:26.837
Get me the fuck out of here.

01:20:26.896 --> 01:20:28.198
The Grudge is the movie that

01:20:28.238 --> 01:20:39.886
made me realize that I'm a dog person.

01:20:40.608 --> 01:20:43.990
I got multiple cats and a dog.

01:20:44.371 --> 01:20:46.252
Lord help me.

01:20:46.353 --> 01:20:47.793
Get that damn cat away from me.

01:20:48.529 --> 01:20:49.270
He's in the tower.

01:20:49.289 --> 01:20:49.791
He's cool.

01:20:49.951 --> 01:20:50.951
Get out of here.

01:20:51.171 --> 01:20:54.813
They're fucking evil as hell.

01:20:54.932 --> 01:20:56.594
That was the ring I was talking about.

01:20:56.734 --> 01:20:57.354
Apologies.

01:20:59.574 --> 01:21:01.355
I loved Sarah Michelle

01:21:01.416 --> 01:21:04.377
Gellar in The Grudge.

01:21:04.577 --> 01:21:06.837
I like how... This is

01:21:06.978 --> 01:21:08.918
actually something I talked

01:21:08.939 --> 01:21:10.819
to... I watched this movie

01:21:10.880 --> 01:21:11.840
with Eric's mom.

01:21:12.081 --> 01:21:12.780
If you guys don't know,

01:21:12.841 --> 01:21:14.601
Eric's mom is Japanese.

01:21:15.481 --> 01:21:16.422
We were watching it with her.

01:21:16.722 --> 01:21:17.302
Eric's mom...

01:21:18.877 --> 01:21:19.697
I tell you what, man.

01:21:19.778 --> 01:21:21.878
This woman can sit here and

01:21:22.059 --> 01:21:23.658
watch us play these horror

01:21:23.699 --> 01:21:25.680
video games and watch these

01:21:25.720 --> 01:21:26.400
horror movies.

01:21:27.140 --> 01:21:27.761
That's true.

01:21:28.021 --> 01:21:29.682
We actually think this.

01:21:30.682 --> 01:21:32.423
Going to a house where

01:21:32.463 --> 01:21:33.885
someone was traumatically

01:21:34.810 --> 01:21:36.850
like murdered and there's

01:21:36.890 --> 01:21:39.430
like bad energy and vibes

01:21:39.490 --> 01:21:40.452
and stuff there she's like

01:21:40.591 --> 01:21:41.492
oh yeah yeah you know

01:21:41.511 --> 01:21:43.372
people I'm like you're not

01:21:43.452 --> 01:21:46.792
helping mom I'm like you're

01:21:46.832 --> 01:21:48.014
making this way I'm not

01:21:48.054 --> 01:21:50.954
taking her to a but the uh

01:21:51.194 --> 01:21:52.454
the carriage rides they do

01:21:52.534 --> 01:21:53.574
in uh the haunted part of

01:21:53.595 --> 01:21:54.895
new orleans around the

01:21:54.916 --> 01:21:55.815
graveyard and stuff

01:21:57.157 --> 01:21:57.917
Just don't take her to New Orleans.

01:21:57.936 --> 01:21:58.957
Yeah, don't take her there.

01:21:58.978 --> 01:21:59.917
She's going to be the most

01:21:59.957 --> 01:22:01.137
stable person there.

01:22:01.337 --> 01:22:03.078
I've never seen that woman scared.

01:22:03.559 --> 01:22:05.279
Yeah, she can watch anything.

01:22:06.118 --> 01:22:06.998
Remember she watched The

01:22:07.019 --> 01:22:08.899
Grudge and she watched The Ring with us.

01:22:08.920 --> 01:22:10.239
She's like, oh yeah.

01:22:10.260 --> 01:22:11.600
And I'm like, mom!

01:22:11.619 --> 01:22:13.940
The movie's fucking terrifying.

01:22:14.001 --> 01:22:14.980
Her hair is coming out of the ceiling.

01:22:15.001 --> 01:22:15.701
This movie is rooted in realism.

01:22:15.720 --> 01:22:16.680
I'm not staying in that part of Japan.

01:22:16.701 --> 01:22:22.903
No, I don't want to.

01:22:22.922 --> 01:22:23.323
Never.

01:22:26.840 --> 01:22:27.199
I know.

01:22:27.501 --> 01:22:28.541
Oh, Eric's laughing.

01:22:28.581 --> 01:22:31.782
That's true.

01:22:31.841 --> 01:22:32.122
Jeff,

01:22:32.162 --> 01:22:33.842
did you have any other movies you

01:22:33.863 --> 01:22:36.824
want to talk about?

01:22:36.904 --> 01:22:38.484
I think we've hammered them

01:22:38.685 --> 01:22:41.246
all out on my end of the story.

01:22:41.606 --> 01:22:41.966
Actually,

01:22:41.987 --> 01:22:45.328
I want to honorable mention WWE

01:22:45.988 --> 01:22:46.849
The Boogeyman.

01:22:48.029 --> 01:22:48.970
We're not discussing The

01:22:49.010 --> 01:22:50.430
Boogeyman without

01:22:50.569 --> 01:22:52.270
mentioning The Boogeyman.

01:22:52.591 --> 01:22:53.992
We're not talking about our wrestlers.

01:22:54.011 --> 01:22:54.271
Go ahead.

01:22:54.908 --> 01:22:55.850
We're going to throw Papa

01:22:55.869 --> 01:22:57.610
Sean into the mix as well.

01:22:57.730 --> 01:22:59.631
I got one for both of y'all.

01:22:59.652 --> 01:23:02.073
Go ahead.

01:23:02.173 --> 01:23:05.435
Bray Wyatt.

01:23:05.657 --> 01:23:06.756
Follow the buzzers, sir.

01:23:07.037 --> 01:23:10.220
Since we're on this topic of protection,

01:23:10.899 --> 01:23:13.181
Bray Wyatt was a protection

01:23:13.202 --> 01:23:16.844
gimmick for a real-life guy

01:23:17.005 --> 01:23:18.005
because he had dealt with a

01:23:18.045 --> 01:23:21.287
lot of rejection and his...

01:23:22.247 --> 01:23:23.128
experiences,

01:23:24.010 --> 01:23:25.551
being a character that he

01:23:25.610 --> 01:23:28.253
didn't want to be,

01:23:28.274 --> 01:23:29.574
kind of forced his hand at

01:23:29.694 --> 01:23:30.895
what the Fiend was.

01:23:31.537 --> 01:23:34.099
So him going through his

01:23:34.158 --> 01:23:36.100
career and being rejected

01:23:36.201 --> 01:23:37.641
in all of his ideas,

01:23:38.101 --> 01:23:39.384
he created that Fiend

01:23:39.423 --> 01:23:41.626
character as a protection gimmick.

01:23:42.246 --> 01:23:43.106
Under the mask,

01:23:43.146 --> 01:23:47.070
he could be who he truly wanted to be.

01:23:47.211 --> 01:23:48.572
The ultimate boogeyman.

01:23:48.811 --> 01:23:49.792
And I'll give you one.

01:23:49.872 --> 01:23:52.215
I'll give you a good boogeyman right now.

01:23:52.395 --> 01:23:56.859
Cody Rhodes is a great boogeyman.

01:23:57.279 --> 01:23:58.359
I know where you're going with this,

01:23:58.420 --> 01:24:00.220
and I fucking love the idea.

01:24:00.501 --> 01:24:00.822
I do.

01:24:01.002 --> 01:24:02.483
I really love this idea.

01:24:03.023 --> 01:24:04.664
Cody Rhodes is the boogeyman.

01:24:05.204 --> 01:24:06.046
I love the idea.

01:24:06.246 --> 01:24:09.247
No, it's a great theory, and I love it.

01:24:09.548 --> 01:24:12.350
If you look at what Roman Reigns was,

01:24:12.411 --> 01:24:13.511
which he's also...

01:24:14.188 --> 01:24:16.189
I know, and he's coming back as a face.

01:24:16.210 --> 01:24:18.412
Yes, yes, yes.

01:24:18.811 --> 01:24:22.354
But Cody Rhodes is not a good guy.

01:24:22.956 --> 01:24:24.997
No, he's a greedy little shit.

01:24:25.018 --> 01:24:26.019
He's the bad guy.

01:24:26.298 --> 01:24:27.680
Cody Rhodes is the bad guy.

01:24:27.960 --> 01:24:29.742
He's the son of a bum of fun.

01:24:30.181 --> 01:24:32.064
Yep, to be the good guy.

01:24:32.144 --> 01:24:36.807
He is the boogeyman.

01:24:36.967 --> 01:24:38.009
Anybody got

01:24:38.559 --> 01:24:41.261
Anything else they want to mention?

01:24:42.301 --> 01:24:44.323
Any characters we didn't talk about?

01:24:44.423 --> 01:24:46.204
Any movies we didn't talk about?

01:24:46.225 --> 01:24:47.886
It's our last show.

01:24:49.347 --> 01:24:49.807
I do.

01:24:49.828 --> 01:24:51.429
Go ahead.

01:24:51.469 --> 01:24:52.310
I knew you did.

01:24:52.930 --> 01:24:57.814
First off, for the parents out there,

01:24:57.854 --> 01:25:02.417
we got Mr. Boogity and Bride of Boogity.

01:25:02.438 --> 01:25:03.498
These are movies that I

01:25:03.538 --> 01:25:04.640
watched when I was...

01:25:05.792 --> 01:25:07.592
Seven or eight years old on

01:25:07.632 --> 01:25:08.493
The Wonderful World of

01:25:08.533 --> 01:25:09.954
Disney on Sunday nights.

01:25:11.195 --> 01:25:12.856
And I absolutely loved them.

01:25:13.117 --> 01:25:14.717
It's about a statue that comes to life,

01:25:14.757 --> 01:25:15.958
scares the crap out of a family.

01:25:16.899 --> 01:25:17.020
Yeah.

01:25:17.060 --> 01:25:19.640
If you got kids, check out Mr. Boogity.

01:25:19.661 --> 01:25:20.301
It's on Disney+.

01:25:20.721 --> 01:25:21.502
I've already checked.

01:25:22.182 --> 01:25:23.884
I may have watched it three, four,

01:25:24.003 --> 01:25:26.546
seven times in the last month or so.

01:25:27.667 --> 01:25:28.407
And I'm going to steal a

01:25:28.487 --> 01:25:30.627
little bit of Willie's thunder, I think,

01:25:30.649 --> 01:25:32.710
this evening since he couldn't make it.

01:25:33.850 --> 01:25:34.829
and list off a couple of

01:25:34.970 --> 01:25:38.030
animes from the horror genre.

01:25:38.051 --> 01:25:38.190
Okay.

01:25:39.490 --> 01:25:40.751
But one in particular that

01:25:40.791 --> 01:25:42.851
deals with the boogeyman subject,

01:25:43.271 --> 01:25:44.452
the first one is going to be Hellsing.

01:25:44.492 --> 01:25:44.551
Ooh.

01:25:44.572 --> 01:25:48.853
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:25:48.953 --> 01:25:50.212
Certainly not for the kids.

01:25:51.672 --> 01:25:51.792
No.

01:25:51.813 --> 01:25:52.773
Would not recommend it,

01:25:53.632 --> 01:25:55.854
especially the updated version of it.

01:25:56.354 --> 01:25:57.213
I want to say there's an

01:25:57.333 --> 01:25:58.634
essay in episode four or

01:25:58.713 --> 01:26:00.034
five that's pretty intense.

01:26:00.074 --> 01:26:00.935
It's about mid-season.

01:26:01.255 --> 01:26:02.135
Yeah, so...

01:26:02.730 --> 01:26:03.810
Be careful with that one.

01:26:05.192 --> 01:26:06.652
The other one is actually

01:26:06.692 --> 01:26:10.373
going to be Yami.

01:26:10.434 --> 01:26:11.293
It's a series.

01:26:11.634 --> 01:26:12.533
So I'll give you the premise

01:26:12.594 --> 01:26:13.414
and I'll give you the title

01:26:13.435 --> 01:26:14.994
because I from George and I

01:26:15.034 --> 01:26:17.996
can't pronounce Japanese names.

01:26:18.076 --> 01:26:20.777
So it's essentially the

01:26:20.817 --> 01:26:22.578
wraparound is that man in

01:26:22.618 --> 01:26:24.958
yellow that doesn't own a

01:26:25.019 --> 01:26:26.838
monkey named George shows

01:26:26.899 --> 01:26:29.859
up every night and

01:26:29.899 --> 01:26:31.461
basically tells people ghost stories.

01:26:32.600 --> 01:26:33.801
And the name of the series

01:26:33.860 --> 01:26:35.221
is actually Theater of

01:26:35.282 --> 01:26:37.143
Darkness Yamishibai.

01:26:38.384 --> 01:26:39.564
And it's on Crunchyroll.

01:26:40.505 --> 01:26:41.765
The animation style is

01:26:41.826 --> 01:26:43.487
something that is extremely

01:26:43.606 --> 01:26:44.988
unique compared to anything

01:26:45.028 --> 01:26:46.208
I've seen in the anime realm.

01:26:46.229 --> 01:26:50.752
It's very much more like an

01:26:50.832 --> 01:26:52.153
animated comic strip than

01:26:52.193 --> 01:26:53.413
it is a true anime.

01:26:54.555 --> 01:26:56.676
But the art style is absolutely beautiful.

01:26:56.716 --> 01:26:57.837
The stories are...

01:26:59.288 --> 01:27:01.529
amazingly good each episode

01:27:01.569 --> 01:27:02.711
is between like four and

01:27:02.791 --> 01:27:04.452
eight minutes long and

01:27:04.471 --> 01:27:05.493
there's like thirteen to

01:27:05.533 --> 01:27:08.113
fourteen of them so they're

01:27:08.134 --> 01:27:09.555
a quick watch but man are

01:27:09.574 --> 01:27:12.157
they good outside of that

01:27:12.197 --> 01:27:13.537
when it comes to Boogeyman

01:27:15.078 --> 01:27:15.779
I really think we've

01:27:15.819 --> 01:27:17.539
covered the vast majority

01:27:17.579 --> 01:27:18.980
of the characters that I

01:27:19.020 --> 01:27:22.063
think I know and love the

01:27:22.182 --> 01:27:23.463
one thing that I would say

01:27:24.024 --> 01:27:25.664
not to steal any thunder from anybody

01:27:27.159 --> 01:27:29.761
or for the show at all but I

01:27:29.801 --> 01:27:30.940
would like to say rest in

01:27:30.980 --> 01:27:33.161
peace to Terry Garr who

01:27:33.201 --> 01:27:34.140
passed away today at the

01:27:34.220 --> 01:27:36.202
age of seventy nine for any

01:27:36.221 --> 01:27:37.282
horror fans you probably

01:27:37.301 --> 01:27:37.902
know her from Young

01:27:37.942 --> 01:27:40.322
Frankenstein for fans of

01:27:40.362 --> 01:27:41.422
comedies you know her from

01:27:41.462 --> 01:27:44.082
Mr. Mom she's been around

01:27:44.103 --> 01:27:45.243
for a long time great

01:27:45.342 --> 01:27:46.443
actress done some amazing

01:27:46.483 --> 01:27:49.844
things so best wishes to

01:27:49.863 --> 01:27:55.005
her and her family thank you Chris

01:27:55.716 --> 01:27:56.377
And I'll come up with a

01:27:56.417 --> 01:27:57.578
funny joke so we don't end

01:27:57.618 --> 01:27:58.658
this on a depressing note.

01:27:59.399 --> 01:28:00.479
We won't.

01:28:00.498 --> 01:28:01.578
We're not going to because

01:28:01.599 --> 01:28:04.541
we're ready to roll into

01:28:05.140 --> 01:28:06.360
final shots and thoughts.

01:28:07.082 --> 01:28:08.322
Unless Jen's got something else.

01:28:09.523 --> 01:28:09.962
I do.

01:28:10.563 --> 01:28:10.703
Oh,

01:28:11.764 --> 01:28:13.844
so since Chris kind of touched on the

01:28:13.884 --> 01:28:15.284
vein of maybe some things

01:28:15.385 --> 01:28:16.425
that your kids can watch,

01:28:16.845 --> 01:28:18.185
there was an anime that

01:28:19.766 --> 01:28:20.787
Eric and I watched.

01:28:20.947 --> 01:28:22.047
It's called Mushishi.

01:28:23.264 --> 01:28:27.368
um it is a great anime yep I

01:28:27.389 --> 01:28:28.591
was asking eric what you're

01:28:28.631 --> 01:28:29.252
talking I was like what's

01:28:29.292 --> 01:28:30.332
the name of the anime so

01:28:30.353 --> 01:28:31.895
it's called mushishi if you

01:28:31.935 --> 01:28:33.317
guys have ever watched it

01:28:34.117 --> 01:28:38.483
um it is um so every story

01:28:38.523 --> 01:28:39.524
is different and it has

01:28:39.543 --> 01:28:40.725
like a different spirit

01:28:41.485 --> 01:28:43.829
That the basically the

01:28:43.869 --> 01:28:45.492
traveler kind of diagnosed

01:28:45.532 --> 01:28:46.533
and he kind of figures out

01:28:46.573 --> 01:28:48.355
like how to kind of deal with the spirit.

01:28:49.278 --> 01:28:50.158
Some of the tones are a

01:28:50.179 --> 01:28:53.023
little bit more mature than others.

01:28:54.005 --> 01:28:54.425
Definitely,

01:28:54.484 --> 01:28:56.368
I would recommend it to a grown up.

01:28:58.685 --> 01:28:59.145
I love it.

01:28:59.326 --> 01:29:00.386
I wish they made more.

01:29:01.327 --> 01:29:01.747
I adore it.

01:29:03.567 --> 01:29:04.926
Other things that my family

01:29:04.947 --> 01:29:06.247
and I watch for Halloween

01:29:06.347 --> 01:29:07.688
is definitely Hocus Pocus.

01:29:08.927 --> 01:29:09.908
Not part two.

01:29:10.967 --> 01:29:11.569
I like part two.

01:29:11.628 --> 01:29:13.628
You shush it.

01:29:13.729 --> 01:29:16.349
I wish they would have stuck

01:29:16.368 --> 01:29:16.708
with the book.

01:29:16.729 --> 01:29:20.270
I didn't see they're doing a TV series.

01:29:20.310 --> 01:29:21.449
Live action TV series.

01:29:21.470 --> 01:29:22.430
They're bringing everybody

01:29:22.451 --> 01:29:23.051
back and they're going to

01:29:23.110 --> 01:29:24.871
do a live action TV series.

01:29:26.657 --> 01:29:29.158
Another thing that money at Disney.

01:29:29.417 --> 01:29:31.359
Yeah, like they're hurting for it.

01:29:31.378 --> 01:29:34.180
And the other thing we

01:29:34.199 --> 01:29:35.239
always watch is Nightmare

01:29:35.260 --> 01:29:35.979
Before Christmas.

01:29:36.020 --> 01:29:36.940
So that's also with

01:29:36.961 --> 01:29:38.161
Christmas and Halloween.

01:29:38.780 --> 01:29:38.900
Hey,

01:29:39.081 --> 01:29:40.881
the actor that played Oogie Boogie

01:29:40.902 --> 01:29:41.981
passed recently, too.

01:29:44.422 --> 01:29:45.224
Yeah, the voice actor.

01:29:45.604 --> 01:29:47.404
Yeah, fucking sucks, man.

01:29:47.564 --> 01:29:49.284
That was a I believe it.

01:29:49.925 --> 01:29:51.845
Yeah.

01:29:52.065 --> 01:29:52.185
Um.

01:29:53.581 --> 01:29:53.780
Black,

01:29:53.822 --> 01:29:56.466
do you have any kind of Halloween

01:29:56.525 --> 01:29:58.168
traditions that you guys

01:29:58.189 --> 01:29:59.912
like to watch you can

01:29:59.952 --> 01:30:00.613
recommend to people?

01:30:01.856 --> 01:30:02.938
Well, you kind of took mine.

01:30:05.458 --> 01:30:05.859
This year,

01:30:05.878 --> 01:30:07.340
we're doing the Halloween series.

01:30:07.680 --> 01:30:10.582
We're going to watch that.

01:30:10.681 --> 01:30:12.221
One of our traditions is

01:30:12.403 --> 01:30:13.643
Nightmare Before Christmas.

01:30:14.484 --> 01:30:18.286
My daughter's a huge Tim Burton fan.

01:30:19.345 --> 01:30:20.567
She kind of got me into that.

01:30:20.707 --> 01:30:21.908
Another one that we end up

01:30:21.967 --> 01:30:23.547
watching during Halloween,

01:30:23.728 --> 01:30:25.729
I have no idea why, is Coraline.

01:30:26.350 --> 01:30:26.949
That's perfect.

01:30:26.989 --> 01:30:29.952
We're still watching that.

01:30:31.715 --> 01:30:32.954
during halloween oh yeah I'm

01:30:32.975 --> 01:30:33.775
gonna take away the final

01:30:33.815 --> 01:30:34.576
shots and thoughts real

01:30:34.595 --> 01:30:36.778
quick coralline's mom

01:30:36.818 --> 01:30:37.979
showed up on the boogeyman

01:30:37.998 --> 01:30:40.439
list as well really yeah in

01:30:40.479 --> 01:30:44.222
her uh in her other form in

01:30:44.262 --> 01:30:45.323
the spider form they

01:30:45.342 --> 01:30:46.423
considered yeah they

01:30:46.444 --> 01:30:47.524
considered her a boogeyman

01:30:47.604 --> 01:30:49.605
in that so now I'll put it

01:30:49.666 --> 01:30:52.268
back up I left her off the

01:30:52.287 --> 01:30:52.967
list because I was like

01:30:53.007 --> 01:30:54.208
yeah but now I'm like you know what

01:30:54.846 --> 01:30:55.908
I fucking love Coraline.

01:30:56.347 --> 01:30:58.088
Me and my daughter watched that one.

01:30:59.208 --> 01:31:00.850
Halloween night, that's our go-to.

01:31:00.930 --> 01:31:01.770
We'll watch Coraline.

01:31:04.311 --> 01:31:04.511
Love it.

01:31:04.631 --> 01:31:05.452
She'll watch it up there.

01:31:05.471 --> 01:31:06.493
I'll watch it down here.

01:31:06.512 --> 01:31:06.752
We love it.

01:31:06.773 --> 01:31:07.673
It's a good movie.

01:31:07.694 --> 01:31:13.095
What's that though?

01:31:13.115 --> 01:31:14.497
Jen, what's going on with the Queens?

01:31:14.817 --> 01:31:15.618
Anything coming up?

01:31:16.297 --> 01:31:17.297
I'm going to play my

01:31:17.318 --> 01:31:18.219
transition really quick.

01:31:18.498 --> 01:31:19.359
Final shots and thoughts.

01:31:31.542 --> 01:31:32.523
All right.

01:31:32.563 --> 01:31:33.382
But now final thoughts.

01:31:33.422 --> 01:31:35.545
Jen, what you got?

01:31:35.824 --> 01:31:36.265
Well,

01:31:36.524 --> 01:31:39.648
I will be releasing sometime this week.

01:31:39.728 --> 01:31:42.609
The last episode of our

01:31:42.630 --> 01:31:44.270
spooky season will be the

01:31:44.331 --> 01:31:45.792
werewolf or no zombies.

01:31:47.113 --> 01:31:49.434
And then hopefully I can get

01:31:50.074 --> 01:31:51.775
episode thirty four of

01:31:51.895 --> 01:31:54.757
Fallen Star out and

01:31:57.402 --> 01:31:59.225
Things are kind of progressing along.

01:32:00.087 --> 01:32:02.412
We are going to be gaming this weekend.

01:32:03.453 --> 01:32:04.416
I'm super excited.

01:32:04.435 --> 01:32:06.179
It's been a little bit since we've gamed.

01:32:08.100 --> 01:32:08.961
going to be fun.

01:32:09.020 --> 01:32:09.860
I can't wait.

01:32:10.341 --> 01:32:13.963
If you guys have never done a TTRPG,

01:32:14.104 --> 01:32:15.324
I highly recommend it.

01:32:15.805 --> 01:32:16.246
Get a book.

01:32:18.426 --> 01:32:19.667
Pick somebody to be the

01:32:19.747 --> 01:32:21.890
dungeon master and have a fun time.

01:32:21.949 --> 01:32:22.329
It's free.

01:32:22.369 --> 01:32:23.109
The only thing that costs

01:32:23.170 --> 01:32:24.570
money is eventually just

01:32:24.610 --> 01:32:26.212
getting the dice and buying pizza.

01:32:26.233 --> 01:32:28.173
And more books.

01:32:28.694 --> 01:32:29.255
You should do it.

01:32:31.256 --> 01:32:32.197
But that's all I got for the quiz.

01:32:32.216 --> 01:32:32.617
It's upside down.

01:32:35.430 --> 01:32:35.689
My bad.

01:32:35.729 --> 01:32:37.070
Now shameless plug.

01:32:37.570 --> 01:32:39.171
This is how I got started.

01:32:40.052 --> 01:32:41.153
Wizards of the Coast needs

01:32:41.193 --> 01:32:43.154
more of our money.

01:32:43.173 --> 01:32:44.055
They got a lot of mine

01:32:45.234 --> 01:32:46.796
because I sponsored a D&D

01:32:46.815 --> 01:32:47.817
club at my daughter's school.

01:32:48.157 --> 01:32:50.637
So I went a little overboard,

01:32:50.877 --> 01:32:51.439
I should say.

01:32:52.639 --> 01:32:54.060
Chris, anything coming up with you?

01:32:54.640 --> 01:32:54.921
No.

01:32:55.100 --> 01:32:56.541
So just kind of kicking it around.

01:32:56.600 --> 01:32:59.483
Excited to see the zombies episode.

01:33:00.122 --> 01:33:01.264
I hear there's an exciting

01:33:01.344 --> 01:33:03.185
new guest appearance there.

01:33:03.967 --> 01:33:05.448
but a dude who thinks he

01:33:05.469 --> 01:33:06.529
knows what he's talking about.

01:33:06.689 --> 01:33:07.750
So, interested to hear that.

01:33:07.770 --> 01:33:08.729
I bet his name's Chris.

01:33:08.750 --> 01:33:10.029
I bet it is.

01:33:10.070 --> 01:33:10.230
Yeah,

01:33:10.251 --> 01:33:12.952
it's like CJ or Lovebug or something.

01:33:13.011 --> 01:33:14.091
It's really weird.

01:33:14.511 --> 01:33:15.113
Lovebug?

01:33:15.132 --> 01:33:16.453
But he seemed like a nice guy.

01:33:16.592 --> 01:33:17.613
Yeah, he's a nice guy.

01:33:17.934 --> 01:33:19.914
And Lovebug sounds very fitting,

01:33:19.994 --> 01:33:20.295
I must say.

01:33:20.314 --> 01:33:20.814
It does, yeah.

01:33:22.355 --> 01:33:23.155
He's like a teddy bear

01:33:23.176 --> 01:33:24.416
stuffed with razor blades,

01:33:24.475 --> 01:33:25.917
I think is how I heard him described.

01:33:25.936 --> 01:33:27.377
I can see that.

01:33:27.438 --> 01:33:28.557
Nails on a chalkboard, maybe?

01:33:28.997 --> 01:33:29.599
Yeah, yeah.

01:33:29.639 --> 01:33:31.359
Looks soft and cuddly, but if you hug him,

01:33:31.859 --> 01:33:33.000
he'll cut a bitch kind of thing.

01:33:33.600 --> 01:33:35.681
So you guys may see Chris

01:33:35.721 --> 01:33:37.484
and I in future episodes

01:33:37.984 --> 01:33:39.765
talking about more horror stuff because,

01:33:39.845 --> 01:33:40.246
you know,

01:33:40.305 --> 01:33:41.987
there's just so much to talk about.

01:33:42.806 --> 01:33:45.729
Wait, does that make Chris a new queen?

01:33:47.350 --> 01:33:47.911
Yes.

01:33:47.930 --> 01:33:50.653
I love it.

01:33:50.752 --> 01:33:54.255
I love it.

01:33:54.295 --> 01:33:57.317
Chef's kiss.

01:33:57.337 --> 01:33:58.398
Black, what you got going on?

01:33:59.431 --> 01:34:00.771
I got my own personal

01:34:00.792 --> 01:34:01.993
boogeyman in here right now.

01:34:02.012 --> 01:34:02.972
My niece is in here.

01:34:03.153 --> 01:34:08.894
What up?

01:34:08.934 --> 01:34:11.654
We have no gimmicks tomorrow.

01:34:12.454 --> 01:34:13.774
We're ending our spooky

01:34:13.795 --> 01:34:14.655
season talking about the

01:34:14.676 --> 01:34:16.595
scariest big men.

01:34:17.956 --> 01:34:19.176
We are also doing crown

01:34:19.216 --> 01:34:20.537
jewel predictions tomorrow.

01:34:20.556 --> 01:34:22.417
It's going to be a fun time.

01:34:23.198 --> 01:34:24.238
Make sure you guys come in.

01:34:24.257 --> 01:34:27.698
I love it.

01:34:27.719 --> 01:34:28.658
I love it.

01:34:30.262 --> 01:34:32.125
Oh, I forgot.

01:34:32.164 --> 01:34:35.027
I'm going to be on Pop Break

01:34:35.207 --> 01:34:36.648
tomorrow with Amanda.

01:34:37.128 --> 01:34:37.788
We're going to be talking

01:34:37.809 --> 01:34:39.430
about Agatha all along.

01:34:39.451 --> 01:34:40.631
I'm super excited.

01:34:40.872 --> 01:34:42.752
If you guys have not watched that show,

01:34:43.012 --> 01:34:45.796
I a thousand times ten

01:34:45.876 --> 01:34:49.158
infinity recommend it.

01:34:49.498 --> 01:34:50.939
It's amazing.

01:34:50.979 --> 01:34:52.220
I love Agatha all along.

01:34:52.740 --> 01:34:54.882
Is it phase two MCU amazing?

01:34:56.458 --> 01:34:58.720
Because if not, I'm not watching.

01:34:58.739 --> 01:34:59.480
I would put it up there.

01:35:00.220 --> 01:35:00.981
It's on that level.

01:35:03.342 --> 01:35:04.923
Alright, I'll check it out.

01:35:04.944 --> 01:35:05.965
It has no filler episodes.

01:35:06.404 --> 01:35:06.585
No,

01:35:06.664 --> 01:35:07.865
and I just watched one of the best

01:35:07.905 --> 01:35:10.547
flashback episodes I've

01:35:10.587 --> 01:35:11.408
ever seen in my life.

01:35:11.427 --> 01:35:14.050
I'll check it out.

01:35:14.069 --> 01:35:15.291
That flashback episode,

01:35:16.411 --> 01:35:17.492
I think it was episode five.

01:35:17.771 --> 01:35:19.672
Holy shit.

01:35:19.893 --> 01:35:20.753
Holy shit.

01:35:22.175 --> 01:35:23.154
But that brings me...

01:35:25.828 --> 01:35:28.007
Yes, but I wasn't going to bring that up.

01:35:28.188 --> 01:35:28.948
I'm saving that one.

01:35:29.069 --> 01:35:29.509
I'm saving it.

01:35:29.529 --> 01:35:31.328
I'm saving it.

01:35:32.988 --> 01:35:33.689
So,

01:35:33.929 --> 01:35:43.091
USDN's got... USDN short number four

01:35:44.030 --> 01:35:45.671
being filmed tomorrow.

01:35:46.692 --> 01:35:47.811
New comic book day for the

01:35:48.131 --> 01:35:50.131
thirtieth of October will be tomorrow.

01:35:51.912 --> 01:35:54.212
Agatha All Along for the...

01:35:56.826 --> 01:35:59.306
The finale will be next week.

01:36:00.828 --> 01:36:01.587
Next week, I think.

01:36:02.627 --> 01:36:04.069
And I'll have my cast of usual.

01:36:04.088 --> 01:36:04.168
Yeah.

01:36:04.189 --> 01:36:04.448
Oh, okay.

01:36:04.509 --> 01:36:04.809
Yeah.

01:36:05.708 --> 01:36:05.890
Yeah.

01:36:05.989 --> 01:36:06.329
Yeah.

01:36:06.390 --> 01:36:06.550
Yeah.

01:36:06.569 --> 01:36:08.029
Finale is next week, right?

01:36:08.730 --> 01:36:09.070
This week.

01:36:09.470 --> 01:36:09.990
This week.

01:36:10.030 --> 01:36:12.771
So the finale episode will be next week.

01:36:12.792 --> 01:36:13.573
Okay.

01:36:13.872 --> 01:36:15.033
It's going to be a late night.

01:36:15.113 --> 01:36:15.592
Yes, it will.

01:36:15.953 --> 01:36:17.113
Well, I don't do it on the same night.

01:36:17.373 --> 01:36:18.694
I do it like the day after or something.

01:36:18.715 --> 01:36:19.574
I'll talk about me because

01:36:19.635 --> 01:36:20.755
now I have to binge Agatha.

01:36:20.875 --> 01:36:21.916
Oh, yeah.

01:36:22.015 --> 01:36:22.836
You definitely got to.

01:36:22.996 --> 01:36:23.195
Yes.

01:36:24.617 --> 01:36:24.777
Yeah.

01:36:25.420 --> 01:36:29.721
And then I may be on No

01:36:29.761 --> 01:36:31.301
Gamuts tomorrow doing Crown

01:36:31.322 --> 01:36:33.462
Jewel predictions.

01:36:33.502 --> 01:36:34.804
Spoiler, he will be.

01:36:35.423 --> 01:36:39.666
The Rock is going to interfere.

01:36:39.765 --> 01:36:40.725
He better not.

01:36:40.746 --> 01:36:41.546
Last time he hit me with the

01:36:41.567 --> 01:36:42.926
people's belt and it pissed me off.

01:36:43.967 --> 01:36:46.529
I had a concussion for a week.

01:36:46.548 --> 01:36:47.708
I had a concussion for a

01:36:47.748 --> 01:36:48.769
week the last time he did that.

01:36:49.689 --> 01:36:51.871
And then what else do I got coming up?

01:36:52.131 --> 01:36:52.570
Uh...

01:36:54.585 --> 01:36:55.484
Yeah, but just be on the lookout.

01:36:55.744 --> 01:36:56.265
You never know when I'm

01:36:56.286 --> 01:36:57.105
going to drop a short.

01:36:58.445 --> 01:37:01.266
You know, I watched your short.

01:37:01.407 --> 01:37:02.226
I really like them.

01:37:02.327 --> 01:37:03.948
Because I drop them two a week sometimes.

01:37:05.047 --> 01:37:05.448
I like them.

01:37:05.587 --> 01:37:06.009
I mean,

01:37:06.069 --> 01:37:07.588
you have a lot of comic insights

01:37:07.628 --> 01:37:08.309
and I love that.

01:37:08.828 --> 01:37:09.189
It's great.

01:37:09.229 --> 01:37:11.350
It's mainly new comic book day releases.

01:37:11.909 --> 01:37:14.671
And then I'll do... Last

01:37:14.711 --> 01:37:17.851
week I did my... It's your niche.

01:37:18.011 --> 01:37:18.591
I like it.

01:37:18.612 --> 01:37:20.592
Halloween Havoc Predictions.

01:37:22.033 --> 01:37:23.033
I like your niche.

01:37:23.054 --> 01:37:23.533
It's a good...

01:37:24.399 --> 01:37:25.340
You just never know.

01:37:26.201 --> 01:37:27.360
I'll do them on anything.

01:37:27.400 --> 01:37:27.841
I don't care.

01:37:29.282 --> 01:37:30.042
All you got to do is drop it

01:37:30.061 --> 01:37:31.542
in the comments and if I like it,

01:37:31.622 --> 01:37:33.922
I'll run it.

01:37:33.962 --> 01:37:35.743
Run with it.

01:37:35.764 --> 01:37:37.484
That's all I have.

01:37:37.543 --> 01:37:38.505
Anything else from anybody

01:37:38.545 --> 01:37:40.685
else before I close this show out?

01:37:41.484 --> 01:37:42.265
Negative Ghostwriter.

01:37:43.046 --> 01:37:43.765
Roger, Roger.

01:37:44.586 --> 01:37:46.027
Thanks for having me.

01:37:46.046 --> 01:37:46.747
Yeah, man.

01:37:46.766 --> 01:37:46.987
Always.

01:37:47.006 --> 01:37:48.648
It's been great.

01:37:48.747 --> 01:37:48.988
Always.

01:37:49.047 --> 01:37:50.108
Thanks for coming through, man.

01:37:50.368 --> 01:37:51.488
Yeah, we appreciate it.

01:37:51.509 --> 01:37:52.368
It's been fun.

01:37:53.668 --> 01:37:54.809
So with that, everybody,

01:37:54.889 --> 01:37:56.609
thanks everybody for tuning in to my,

01:37:56.989 --> 01:37:58.210
I don't know what episode

01:37:58.229 --> 01:37:59.730
this is anymore because I don't keep up.

01:38:01.331 --> 01:38:02.912
Watch the DM page for

01:38:02.931 --> 01:38:04.851
updates on when our next episode will be,

01:38:04.872 --> 01:38:06.432
which will be tomorrow, by the way.

01:38:07.012 --> 01:38:08.052
Special thank you goes out

01:38:08.092 --> 01:38:09.753
to Black and the DFPN

01:38:09.793 --> 01:38:11.134
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01:38:11.753 --> 01:38:13.194
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01:38:26.086 --> 01:38:26.867
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01:38:26.907 --> 01:38:27.947
podcast panel tonight,

01:38:28.287 --> 01:38:29.346
the Council of Nerds.

01:38:29.927 --> 01:38:32.948
This shit is USDN approved.

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We done won!