what is up everybody I am
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where we are for the people
by the people and of the
people tonight I have three
special guests coming on to
join us all from the dfpn
family let me introduce
them to you I have first up
halen from the queens of
nerdom jen hello welcome next up
I have, I don't know where he's from,
but he's here.
He's our blast from the past.
And he's our blast from the past.
We have Chris.
And last, certainly not least,
he is my brother from another mother.
I love this man with all my
heart and soul.
I present my main man, Black.
My whole room just went green.
I have no idea why.
That better mean we're
coming into some money.
Are we coming into money?
Is that a sign?
Jesus?
Is this a sign?
I hope so.
You and me both.
welcome welcome everyone uh
this is going to be our
last don't cry uh show for
our spooky season um I've
had so much fun uh doing
this with everyone uh it
has been a blast you know
my little dark heart has
been so happy talking about
all these horror movies and
everything and I can't wait
to do it again next year um
that being said hey chris yes
What monster likes to dance at a party?
Which monster likes to dance at a party?
A boogeyman.
As a dad, I'm offended by some of these.
I'm going to be honest.
I got nothing on that.
Hey, Black.
Why do ghosts hate rainy?
Why do ghosts hate rainy Halloween?
Oh, why?
It dampens their spirits.
Oh, my God.
Bro, bro.
All right.
Yeah.
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
Okay.
Jeff.
Why don't why don't mummies gossip?
Why?
Because they don't want to get a bad rap.
You're fired.
Holy shit.
welcome back we missed you
hope I'm glad nobody left
because of the dad jokes
you literally ran everybody
off I had more but I just
stopped come back okay fine
they'll come back they'll
come back I have one I'll
save it for the end of the
show though okay you sure
Okay.
You're like.
Okay.
All right.
So.
What is the boogeyman?
Well.
Little did you know, I didn't know,
there's actually no clear
and specific description.
Only that it's thought of as
either masculine or an androgynous thing.
But even that,
it varies from different cultures.
It is probably the only
creature of its kind that
spans the entire world.
Now,
usually they fall into three categories.
The first category being it
punishes children who misbehave.
The second category is a
boogeyman that is violent
and malicious against
anyone unfortunate enough
to cross their path.
And the third one is a
boogeyman that protects.
I don't know what that is, but anyways.
But in my mind,
a boogeyman is the
personification of one's fears,
a terror incarnate and the
embodiment of all things evil.
That's scary.
Makes sense.
The Protect is a new one.
I don't think I've ever heard that before.
I don't think I have either.
You know,
there's only one that kind of
comes to mind.
It could be way off what I think.
Anyways,
we can roll into the movies if you
guys want.
The one movie where I think
it might sort of kind of
protect or might actually
just be a projection is,
has anybody seen... Hey, there's Willie.
Um the babadook Yes,
that was actually one of
the ones I wrote down for
famous boogeyman Oh, really?
Yeah Um,
I made a list you made a list I did um,
so it came out in two thousand fourteen,
uh, I believe it is um from um, australia,
um originally um
This movie was kind of weird.
First of all,
I wanted to strangle this
child very lovingly, like with hugs,
of course.
I would never want to
have... With your hands around his throat,
got it.
Yes, very nice big squeeze.
But as you kind of go along
through the movie, I kind of feel like...
This is like the projection
of this woman's grief,
like losing her husband.
And I think one of the lessons,
I think the director,
if I remember correctly,
somebody correct me if I'm wrong,
is that you can't ignore your trauma.
You can't ignore your grief.
You can't ignore those emotions.
You can't ignore them
because they will come back
and punch you in the face.
Even after I feel like she
acknowledged this,
she kept it in the basement,
but she fed it.
She acknowledged it,
and it was still there.
Jeff, Babadook, what do you think?
Great movie.
It really explores the human
emotion side of it because
this was a projection of
her pent-in emotion to me.
Yeah.
I liked it.
I mean,
it was a typical spin on the
boogeyman story,
but it was enjoyable and it
was from Australia.
So I like that kind of stuff.
I like funny accents like mine.
I went full Alabama in there.
I like the way you talk.
You sure do got pretty mild.
It is spooky season, so yeah,
I'm going a little dark, okay?
No, I thought it was good.
It came out at the right time, too.
I think that hit us around
the same time as all of the
quote-unquote folk horror, right?
Midsommar, Hereditary,
a lot of the real kind of artsy films.
That's a good one, though.
Hereditary?
Yeah.
Yeah, great movies.
It was an offshoot, right?
It's like that weird, you know,
like getting in the mouth
of madness in the middle of
a slasher craze.
It's like, you know,
who would have thought that
this would work?
Yeah, I'm with you.
I'm kind of with you, maybe.
I hated The Little Boy.
I think most kids in horror
movies are obnoxious as
hell because if they're teenagers,
they're snarky.
And if they're little,
they're stupid and don't listen.
which is why we end up with
things like vampires and crap.
But no, I think, you know,
talking about it from the
emotional standpoint,
anything that deals with
grief in a way that's
entertaining is probably
far better than most.
I think the only other one
that may even come close to touching it,
and it's not even really a horror movie,
would be Dolores Claiborne.
I loved it.
I thought it was solid.
I actually watched it weeks
ago while I was going
through Shudder because
that's where I spend all of my time now.
We noticed.
Yeah.
It's a problem.
It's a good problem to have, though.
It is.
Fuck.
Thoughts on the Babadook?
The, and I try to keep,
I try to keep my comments
not quite in the same lane, but the,
the depression and the bottling in of,
of being, trying to be perfect,
trying to try to make sure
like everything's well kept
and together and the pressure of that,
just breaking someone is
something like that's very real.
You can feel that on any spectrum.
Right.
And the ability to draw that
emotion and make that tie
in and make it feel as real
as it is because yeah,
the kid's a little shit,
but you know what I mean?
Like the parenting part of it is like,
I want this to be,
I want this to be good.
I want this to be wholesome.
And just wanting that is
pretty much what drove the,
the insanity out.
So very, very solid movie,
very solid movie.
I like what you said.
I don't know her name.
But that woman that played the mom.
You could.
It was palpable.
You could feel it.
You could feel her.
Just grief and everything.
And everything that she was going through.
I'm glad you pointed that out.
It was very dark.
I love that.
That was a female directed film too.
If I remember correctly.
Which is probably why they
were able to touch on that.
as well as they were.
I didn't know that.
Jennifer Kent, writer and director.
That's dope.
I always like to see that.
That's really dope.
Another one,
if you don't agree with me
that it's more like a boogeyman,
we don't have to talk about
it because what I feel like
is a boogeyman might be
different than what other people think.
But that's the great part
about the boogeyman.
There's so many definitions
and so many different
things out there that kind
of fall into this category.
It doesn't like everybody's
boogeyman is different.
Yeah, it's very broad.
I agree.
So the movie It Follows, um, um,
I think her name is, uh, Maika Monroe.
I adore this girl.
Like she's just her young lady.
She's just amazing.
Um,
I guess that would be more
like a sexual boogeyman,
I guess you could say.
The creepy thing is,
and I've watched this movie
several times.
There's a lot of people that are like,
this movie sucks.
And I was like, really?
I really liked it.
Just the fact that you
bumped uglies with somebody
and now there's this
supernatural creature
coming for you and you're
the only one that can see it.
And then it will actually look like...
people you know and you care
about and you love and it's
coming for you and That's
literally that one of the
definitions of a boogeyman
is that it punishes you
Based on different things
right like naughty children
This one just so happens to
be a sex demon, I guess Yeah, and
And you know,
one of the reasons why I do
like this movie is that you
actually get to see what
happens when it catches someone.
Because I think her
character in Bumpin' Ugly
is with one of the neighbors, friends,
whatever.
Yeah.
Poor guy didn't take her seriously,
and he got caught.
And that was gross.
I was like, ew.
But anyhow, before I say too much, Black,
you want to go first this time?
What do you think about it?
I've never seen this movie,
but this sounds like
something I need to watch.
Especially if somebody's
bumping uglies and terrible
shit happens as a result.
Maybe you'll think about this next time.
Chris, did you watch it?
I did.
I like this.
Yeah,
because this is one of those that
hits everybody a little different, right?
You got some folks that say
that it's an allegory for STDs.
You got other folks talking
about the fact that it could be, you know,
just sexual trauma.
Right.
And then you've got, I mean,
you could go down the pro-life,
pro-choice rabbit hole with
this one as well,
which has been done numerous times.
Right.
But I don't, I don't.
Not a big fan of sticking on
that one for too long.
But overall, smart horror film.
It's got one of the best openings, I think,
that I've seen to a horror
film in probably the last decade,
maybe longer.
Because you don't know what
the hell's going on.
A girl runs out of the house.
Yeah.
That's it.
Stands in the street, looks crazy,
and then it kicks off from there.
So it catches your interest
right off the bat and holds
it the entire time.
It's good.
It's definitely in...
Definitely and probably my top.
Twenty of the last.
Decade to two.
Agreed.
Yeah.
Under Wolf Cop.
Jeff.
What do you think?
I haven't seen this movie in so long.
So it's vaguely in my skull.
But.
Yeah, I'm agreeing with Chris on this one.
It that opening sequence
with her just running out
the house like a crazed woman is.
That was like, all right,
we're on to something here.
Let's see what it is.
And it was a good movie.
I do remember I enjoyed it.
Recommend it.
But as far as like,
can I remember like the basics?
I wish I watch a lot of movies.
same I think it never shows
you what it looks like
either it it just appeared
as like yeah as someone it
appears that one of your
own memories which was yes
no other movie had done
that I don't think well it
but he appears as something
that scares the shit out of
you yeah yeah which is also
on unfortunately we get to
see what he actually looks
like though oh god yeah
yeah it didn't work out
well for either version of
that movie but yeah
Well, speaking of it... He's on the list.
Let's talk about it.
He's on the list.
Pennywise the Dancing Clown.
So, I remember watching the original one,
and I...
I really enjoyed that first one.
The remake, however,
that was nightmare fuel.
With the updated effects and everything,
I was just like... Bill
Skarsgård did a lot of
Pennywise's facials himself.
Like,
the way he manipulates his eyes and
mouth and stuff.
That's all Bill Skarsgård.
And it is scary as shit.
Yeah.
Like, he's so animated.
And I remember...
uh watching other shows with
him where you know he um he
can kind of like like
unconsciously like let one
of his eyes drift which um
added that that suspense
whereas I think when tim
curry played um pennywise I
think they had to like cg
it but yeah they did
contacts it was yeah the
original it was before we
had cgi so everything in it
was a practical effects in
the original I believe
And it was like, man,
like the newer effects,
I feel like were just
absolutely terrifying.
I mean, I think the one that really,
really terrified me or one
of the two was with the
little girl under the bleachers.
Yes.
Like right before.
Yeah, that was terrifying.
And then Willie McCoy says
that scene when he's doing
that dance in the sewer.
Yeah.
Nightmare fuel.
I was just like, dude.
Without a doubt.
Yeah.
And when they're grown and
they're fighting him.
And like the part two.
Yeah.
Here's one, though.
By default,
does this now essentially make
Mary Poppins a boogeyman as well?
Because they're from the same universe.
That's the protector.
There you go.
Why would you do this to me?
She could be scary, though, too.
She could be.
She pulled a lot of shit out of that bag.
Like, that would terrify me.
It's a well-known fact that
they are from the same
universe and of the same species.
Yeah,
there was like a theory going around.
I remember reading that.
I don't think he ever refuted it either.
He didn't.
Exactly.
He was just like, hmm, that's good.
He's like, Mary Poppins?
Shit, I'll roll with that.
I don't like this.
Mary Poppins is now part of
the Dark Tower.
Yeah.
They missed out with that movie.
That's a hell of a rabbit hole.
Yeah, yeah.
The Black.
What are your thoughts on It?
Back to it.
Old or new?
Which one?
Or both?
You know what?
I was going to say the first
It was probably one of the
scariest movies I'd ever seen.
Just because as a kid,
going back to the eighties
and looking at it in real
time in the eighties,
that shit was scary.
Super scary.
Until you get to the new one.
The new one makes the old one.
I went back and watched the
old one after watching the new one.
I was like, this is dumb.
Whoa,
that's Tim Curry you're talking about,
buddy.
I know, but.
You put some respect on that.
The new one was done so well
with the effects.
It was.
Even the drainage scene is just like,
dude.
That four K changes the game.
Yeah, it changes everything, bro.
Like.
It changed.
Yeah, that.
I stopped looking for Ninja Turtles.
Exactly.
We used to do that.
We used to build the little
boats and stuff and try to race them.
Not anymore.
Like, hell no.
But I absolutely agree.
Pennywise is one of the most
scary characters.
Not just a boogeyman, but as a character.
He's one of the most
terrifying things ever created.
Ever.
I agree.
Without a doubt.
Yep.
And he was a background figure.
That's the crazy thing.
Yes.
Right.
People want to look at
Pennywise like he's the
main star of that show and he's not.
The kids are.
Yeah.
He just happens to be there
causing trouble.
But I mean, for me,
like I remember my brother,
my older brother, Scott,
made me sit down and watch it.
The original one in nineteen
ninety when it was on the first time.
And I had nightmares about
clowns for the next year.
Probably three weeks.
Oh, no.
Every time I would walk by him,
all I'd hear is, kiss me, fat boy.
I'm like, come on, man.
Don't do that.
Just leave me alone.
It really did.
It did bring the fear to
clowns to the main stage.
But great movie.
I like both of them.
I think It Chapter One,
the Andy Muschietti version,
is far better than the
kids' portions of the old, the old,
the old, the old, the old, the old,
the old,
But on the adult side of it,
between chapter two and the original,
I think I prefer the original.
Like it's just the tail end
of this new one with a
little puddle of goo that
they're not scared of anymore.
It's just a little, a little too much.
I will say with,
with us now talking about it,
it's a good time to mention that.
Welcome to dairy.
is coming to Max.
Which is going to be kind of
like an origin-ish story of
how Pennywise became Pennywise.
I don't think I want to know.
I'm interested to see how
they play that out.
I do too.
Because King spells it out pretty well.
He does.
They're taking that and
they're going to put it into...
a TV series,
and Bill Skarsgård's returning
to do Pennywise.
Oh, good.
I'm glad they took ownership
of that character, you know?
Yeah.
I'd say Tim Curry could do it,
but I don't think he has
the stroke anymore.
No.
Let's let Skarsgård have it.
Yeah, we got it.
That's fucked up, dude.
Come on, man.
Tim Curry's an icon, man.
Let's not do it that way.
I love that dude.
And his role in The Devil?
Come on, bro.
Oh, in Legend?
Darkness.
So I was talking to Chris
today via Messenger and I
was telling him about
actual movies called
Boogeyman and I found that there was like
Four or something different
boogeyman and the one I was
um Trying to say there's
like maybe eight of them now.
Yeah The the one I I wanted
to kind of focus on if you
will was the one that came out in uh,
It had our very own vivian
lyra blair who played uh
leia Our our little little leia
Um, so this one, um, Oh, and the other, uh,
Chris Messina,
if you ever watched the
devil where they're all
like jam packed in an
elevator and they keep getting attacked,
he's like one of the detectives on there.
I love that movie.
Um, and then Sophie Thatcher,
I think she was on yellow
jackets or something.
I haven't watched it.
Really is better than it should have been.
Yeah.
I haven't watched that.
I need to watch that.
So this came out in.
This movie was.
Like it.
Gave me a lot of jump scares.
I thought it was great.
I really like the relationship.
Between the sisters.
Really sad.
Mom passing away.
But the older sister.
Really seemed to.
Kind of have this like.
Wise beyond her years.
Yeah.
kind of thing going on.
And, you know,
after she starts experiencing things,
she stops dismissing her sister and she,
you know, gets it.
And I mean, to the little girl's credit,
I mean, she's smart.
You know, she's Princess Leia.
Absolutely.
Again,
don't want to ruin too much in the movie.
So Jeff, the boogeyman, twenty,
twenty three,
Princess Leia for the
nineteen eighty version.
Or the two thousand five
version I thought was OK.
I haven't seen the twenty
twenty three version, to be fair,
but the nineteen eighty not the spinoff,
not the part two in the
part three of that.
No, let's not go there.
Just the original nineteen
eighty version was fantastic.
I shouldn't have never
watched that one as a child either,
but I did.
And I didn't get a lot of
sleep as a child because I
watched a lot of horror
movies that I shouldn't have watched.
That's why we're here.
This is true.
But I'm more than made up for my sleep.
But yeah, I need to watch it.
That's on me.
I need to watch that one.
But I do really like the old eighties one.
Those monsters, Chris, those monsters.
Another Stephen King adaptation.
Yeah, I know, right?
It's a short story from Stephen King.
It's not an actual book.
It's a short story.
He's amazing.
I want to say it was in
Nightmares and Dreamscapes.
It was.
Solid book.
The movie falls into the same trap.
Well,
all Stephen King adaptations kind of
fall into the same trap, right?
It's either an amazing movie
and a horrible adaptation.
where it's a great
adaptation and a horrible movie, right?
The Shining is the perfect
example of that.
Kubrick Shining, amazing movie.
Beautiful movie.
Horrible adaptation.
Stephen King's Wings version
of it from the late nineties,
early two thousands.
Great adaptation, horrible movie.
Storm of the Century.
Great book.
Terrible show.
this one I think falls into
the former camp I thought
it was a great movie I
thought it was a horrible
adaptation the short story
is very much a focus on how
someone's mind adjusts
following extreme trauma
and I don't think the movie
touched on that quite as
much as it could have that
being said as a creature
feature as a monster movie
I had a blast with it.
Like you can separate those two things,
separate the boogeyman from
Stephen King and the short
story and everything solid
hour and a half experience.
Um, I thought the acting was good.
Um, the direction was on, on point.
I mean,
the lighting in that movie is
outstanding.
The little girls roll in the moon,
the plastic down the hallway.
So the light travels with it
until you finally see what it's into.
Like great shots, great ideas.
Yeah.
So yeah, I enjoyed it.
I actually watched it again today.
Did you?
Yeah, I enjoyed it.
So do you think that... So I
think they touched on it in
the movie that part of the
reason why it attaches from
family to family is because
of the trauma and the grief
and everything.
Do you think it didn't touch
on that enough?
I think it touched on it
in a way that was less
impactful than the short story.
And the reason I say that,
I'm trying to think of a
way to do it without spoiling it too much,
right?
So the grief is personified
in a much more visceral way
in the short story as
opposed to the movie.
In the movie, it's external, right?
It's still impactful,
but the grief is external.
In the short story,
it is very apparent that the grief is
theirs as opposed to you
know david delmachian who
is amazing and everything
I've ever seen him in you
know he's the guy that that
introduces it to uh to the
family in this one okay the
book is not not like that
at all okay highly
recommend the short story
yes um black the whole book
is really good though yeah I agree
Black, what do you think about,
Chris kind of talked about
some visceral things.
What do you think about how
you started seeing like this black fungus,
this veiny fungus start
growing like all over the house?
Do you think that was kind
of like a good depiction of
like their infection kind of?
I don't want to say it wasn't.
But it could have been more effective.
It definitely could have
been more effective.
And to go back to what Chris said,
there was a trade-off for me.
because I don't know how to say his name.
I just call him the creepy
guy from Batman.
That's how I was introduced.
But he's the therapist in this movie.
But I was like, when I saw him,
but I saw his role and I knew the book,
I was like,
I don't know how this is going to work.
But it was a trade-off for
me because the fact that he
was dealing with his own drama
and not knowing how to
manage it I thought was a
very good way to inject
their grief and how they're
not able to handle their
grief in this movie right
um so I that was a
trade-off I knew it wasn't
it wasn't supposed to
happen that way but the
fact that he added on to it
and he's supposed to be
like the person helping
them through it right I was
able to I took from that was like okay
That's interesting.
I'll deal with it and how it
manifested itself.
I dealt with it.
You may have just made me
like that movie more.
Yeah.
Because I didn't look at it
from that perspective, right?
I thought the dad being a
therapist was just another
cliched way to make him more tormented.
I didn't think about the
impact on the family and
the fact that explains the whole, well,
when are you going to come
in and talk to us?
When are you going to join
the session with the kids?
Yeah.
All right.
Yeah.
Yeah, I like that.
Yeah.
Alright.
The next one,
hopefully it's on Jeff's list.
Nightmare on Elm Street.
That one will never leave my list.
Never.
Freddy lives.
And Freddy is actually on the list.
That's in every genre, by the way,
as well.
It's a romantic comedy.
He's Nancy's boyfriend.
They make out over the phone.
You remember that scene.
I'm your boyfriend now, Nancy.
Yeah, I do.
That's one way to look at it.
I call it like I see it.
All right.
Nightmare on Elm Street.
Wes Craven.
Nineteen eighty four.
So you have Heather Lane can't play Nancy.
Our very own Johnny Depp
playing Glenn and Robert
England playing Freddy Krueger.
So this is the first time we
ever get to see Johnny Depp.
Yeah.
Poor guy died in such terrible way.
My gosh.
He just.
basically got liquefied.
Is that the movie where
somebody shit on his pillow?
Or was that a different one?
That was more recent.
I think that was Two Nights in Paris.
Was it that one?
I get my Johnny Depp movies confused.
I'm sorry.
I apologize.
It's called Run Jack.
Did he cut a spanker on that one?
Like a vodka bottle?
I'm sorry.
Go ahead.
I'm done.
So, yeah, like Eric Johnson said,
Freddy is the most twisted of boogeyman.
I mean,
I can't imagine not being able to
sleep because that is when
the boogeyman is going to get you.
And he knows your worst
nightmares and your worst fears.
I don't think he quite
touches on that as much as the first one.
But as I feel like as movies go on,
they touch on that more.
Like you start seeing that,
I think in the third one is
the Dream Warriors.
Yeah,
he starts kind of manifesting their
nightmares before.
But I like the dark tone of the first one.
He gets a little comical.
He was always intended to be that way,
though.
Not according to Wes Craven.
Not slapstick.
Not slapstick, no,
but he was meant to have a
not-so-serious attitude when he, you know,
murdered them.
Right.
Um...
But jumping around a little bit,
I did like the Dream Warriors one.
I thought that was the one
where she turns into a cockroach.
We're not going to talk about that one.
Oh, dude, that scene is devastating.
That scene alone was nightmares.
Fucking horrifying.
You guys don't know how much
I hate cockroaches.
I mean, she turns to... I need a minute.
They're only scary to me when they fly.
When they fly.
We live in the south, dude.
We live in the south.
Don't let the fuckers fly down here.
We don't even call those cockroaches.
Those are palmetto bugs.
And you don't mess with those.
Let's get fancy with the terms there,
Chris.
A fucking roach is a roach.
So I wanted to kind of
expand on Wes Craven's new nightmare.
But before I get to that,
I kind of want to get
y'all's thoughts about the
nightmare in Elm Street.
If there's anyone leading up
to Wes Craven's new
nightmare that you guys
wanted to talk about.
Jeff, do you want to go first?
I have news on Freddy Krueger.
He is getting a prequel
starring... You want?
Kevin Spacey, by chance?
No.
It's going to be... God damn,
what's that kid's name?
I don't know what you did there.
Shut up.
I can't stand you.
Sorry, go ahead, Jeff.
That got me.
That skinny kid's name
from... What was it?
The new kid or whatever?
He goes to...
Like the prison to visit,
and then they make him a new person.
Oh,
and they dress him up like Hannibal and
Wheelie in high school?
Yes, that kid.
Damn, he's all supernatural.
Yes, he had a few episodes.
You know what?
I got to Google,
because this is going to
drive me batshit if I don't do this.
I do apologize.
Skinny kid.
Who?
I don't know what y'all are talking about.
Me neither.
Skinny Kid,
you guys gotta give me more info.
It'll make sense.
The Skinny Kid,
are you talking about their brother?
No.
You're talking about Skinny
Kid on Supernatural.
That's not a lot to go on.
Yeah, I agree.
It's kind of a... It's not
the Skinny Kid on Supernatural.
It's broad.
Oh,
and there's no pictures when you look
at the entire cast.
That's not helpful.
Yeah.
Hold on, you keep going, Jeff.
I'll look it up for you.
But, uh, basically...
They're going to do the
events leading up to how
Freddy Krueger becomes Freddy Krueger,
if that makes sense.
Is his name Alexander Calvert?
No.
Okay.
DJ Qualls.
DJ Qualls, thank you.
The little, really skinny kid.
He also had the scene with
the lady on the bus.
Oh, that one.
Yeah.
With the big old leopard skin panties.
I can't remember the name of
that movie either.
But anyways,
he's going to become the new
Freddy Krueger.
He's going to be the one going forward,
I think.
I know Robert Englund wanted
Kevin Bacon to pick up the
mantle of Freddy Krueger.
It looks like it's going to be, huh?
That would have been perfect.
Dude,
Kevin Bacon would have been fucking
amazing.
That's why Robert Englund
asked him personally to
pick up the mantle of Freddy Krueger.
Hmm.
He wouldn't be able to make that many,
though.
He's getting up there.
No offense, Kevin.
I think you're amazing.
I love you,
but... Robert Englund's almost eighty,
if not eighty.
He was in the mid-fifties
when they started, I think.
Yeah.
No, the eighties were farther back.
I'm going to stop.
You go ahead.
That makes me feel old.
But basically,
it's going to be the events
that led up to him being
burned by the parents of
Elm Street or whatever.
Okay.
Where they chased him into
and then burned him alive
and him cursing him.
It's going to be everything
that happened before that.
I hope they take it from the
stance of the original
series and not the remake.
They're doing it from the
original is my understanding.
The remake was good.
We don't talk about that.
I think DJ Qualls could be a
good fit for this because
he's going to fit that age
of when Freddy Krueger was
doing his thing before he became burned.
I think it could work.
DJ Qualls is that size, too,
of where you would think
Freddy Krueger would be.
Kind of a smaller... Yeah.
It could work.
Chris,
you got anything else on Freddy
Krueger movies?
I love them, pretty much all of them.
That's my guilty pleasure.
Freddy versus Jason, you love that.
I did.
I like that one.
Actually, I do too.
I like that one.
I'm a big fan.
The way Kelly Rowland got
murked in that movie.
Anything that has Jason
swinging teenagers.
No Kelly Rowland slander.
No slander.
I just appreciate the way she dies.
She went out like a boss lady, okay?
Yeah, I like all of them.
I think...
The third one is by far my favorite.
Dream Warriors, by far my favorite.
Yeah, same.
But I'm also kind of torn on
it because I think that's
where... That's kind of
where Slapstick Freddy started.
Yeah.
I mean, Welcome to Primetime, bitch,
kind of kicked off a
generation of... Yeah, that, yeah.
That scene alone was... Yeah,
it was great.
You want to get high with
the needle fingers.
Like, it did...
you know, it led to, it led to poor things,
but I think as a movie itself,
it was pretty entertaining.
And if I have,
if I go back to nightmare on
Elm street at all, I tend to watch one,
three and new nightmare.
I think those are,
those are the top three of that series.
I went, I went with like every other two.
Yeah.
I agree.
Even if you count new nightmare as a,
what it actually is,
which it's not a Freddy Krueger movie,
but we'll talk about that
in a little bit.
I think, um,
But yeah, I mean, Freddy's iconic.
There has never been a slasher, I think,
to rival him from a
full-rounded character standpoint,
with the exception of maybe Chucky.
Just because Chucky has that
kind of humor as well.
Jason's not funny.
I mean, he don't know.
Art the Clown's funny,
but there's recency bias there,
so he's not in the conversation yet,
I don't think.
Art the Clown?
He's on the list.
I love the Nightmare on Elm Street movies.
If they had let Wes Craven
take control of that entire franchise,
nothing would be able to touch it.
Eric Johnson says, two is horrible.
I agree.
I wasn't a fan of two.
I don't think anybody liked two.
I'm your god now.
No, you're not.
No.
A weirdo with knives on his hand.
Blackwood was your take.
It did.
Because if you'd have played
this in a different way to where, okay,
he moves into the house.
I forget the guy's name.
He moves into the house.
He starts having the nightmares.
It's just the execution was terrible.
It was terrible execution.
The plot was okay.
The execution was horrible.
That's fair.
I just hate the main
character in that movie.
Yeah, you're right.
He drives me nuts, man.
Awful.
There was structure.
There was structure there.
They didn't follow it.
I felt like if they would
have followed the game plan,
it felt like this was a
sequel that they wanted to
Get all of their ideas out on.
And none of them work.
None.
I think for these movies though.
Once a. A plot point.
Or like.
What's the word I'm looking for here.
Like a standard.
Is set for a movie.
When it comes to slasher films.
Like you don't just.
Start changing that characters.
Like.
modus operandi or whatever it's called.
You just don't start fucking
with that shit.
They got their thing that works,
but when you start branching out of that,
stop it.
That's fair.
Going back to Freddy Krueger
as a boogeyman, I mean,
there's really none more famous.
I don't think there's none more popular.
Right?
There is no single horror movie character,
with the exception of maybe two others.
Name them.
Jason and Michael Myers.
Okay, yeah.
You can go anywhere in the world,
and they know exactly who it is,
exactly what his weapon is,
and exactly how he killed people.
Well, Michael Myers is on the list, too.
So, I mean, Michael Myers.
And I think in the first
Michael Myers film,
in the first Halloween...
He wasn't listed as Michael Myers.
He was just listed as the shape.
Yeah.
Um,
so talking about Wes Craven's new
nightmare.
So, um, I really, I'm watching.
Touche friend.
Um, um,
So Wes Craven's New
Nightmare came out in
nineteen ninety four.
I absolutely love this movie.
So Wes Craven actually said
that this kind of goes back
to where Freddie is much
more menacing and much more dark,
which is what what I had
read is what he had originally intended.
So this is the favorite of
mine of the franchise,
just because you have the actual actors.
playing themselves um and
this is the one where the
dog pisses and opens up the
uh the ground right no okay
no she said this was a good
movie well that was a
freddy krueger movie that
was in a freddy krueger
movie it was that was in uh
part six okay I thought
that was the funniest thing
in the world freddy's dead
The one after.
Because that's when they
kill him in the junkyard
and the dog pisses on an old car tire,
I think it is,
and opens a portal in the
junkyard and Freddy comes back.
I know too much about this shit.
Keep going, Jen.
My bad.
Sorry,
it was just that one scene I could
remember.
It's the best scene in the movie.
So, um,
so this is where Wes Craven actually, um,
tells, um, well, we know where is Nancy,
but it's actually Heather, um,
tells her that he actually
has precog dreams.
And part of the reason why
he made these movies was to keep an, um,
ancient supernatural entity, um,
contained.
So when the movies ended, um,
It was able to be released.
So in the movie.
The entity.
Focused on Heather.
Believing that if he killed her.
Or it killed her.
Then he can actually gain access.
To the real world.
Um.
I don't remember a movie
actually doing this.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
I couldn't really think of
any off the top of my head
when I was reading this that did this.
And it was crazy.
It brought a new level of
realism to me that you're actually seeing
heather there and supposedly
like her real son and her
real husband and this this
shit's happening and it's
real stuff and it's like
holy crap that's crazy and
the the freddy or the uh
evil supernatural entity
that actually comes around
um is dark it's very evil I
don't even think he looks
the same it's a very uh
I think the actual tone of
the and actually the look
of the movie is even darker
than like the other ones
there's no more slapstick
there's no more funny shit
like you know this is like
to me I feel like you know
if you took like an extract
of Freddie and like dropped
it that would be this movie
for me anyway like I loved
it black Freddie's new
nightmare what do you think
You know what?
In the line of them,
I think the original is my favorite,
but this one's a really close second.
It's a really close second.
For me, nothing will beat the original,
though.
Nothing.
I agree.
Chris?
Yeah, I'm in a similar boat.
This is bounces back and
forth on two and three for
me in the franchise.
yeah,
I think this was Wes Craven's testing
ground for Scream.
Oh, yeah.
I can see that.
This was his chance to build
a movie not that included
standard slasher tropes,
but that was built around them.
Right.
And it's stuck to that
narrative pretty close.
Right.
If you go back and watch it,
it's a it's a traditional
slasher movie just with a
different coat of paint on it.
And then he moves on to
scream and does a complete
body restoration.
Right.
Put it in really ridiculous,
vague car terms.
So I think this was I think
this led to far greater
things than what it was on its own.
Right.
That being said,
I think this is probably
the scariest Freddy Krueger
has ever been to include the first film.
I agree.
And keep in mind,
I was only two when
Nightmare on Elm Street first came out.
So it's not like I saw it in theaters.
Right.
No.
But by the time I got around to it,
there were things that
stuck out to me that just
didn't look right.
Right.
The long arms.
Right.
You could tell that.
Oh, that was horrible.
Yeah.
So when New Nightmare came around,
I think I got to see what,
for my generation,
was the purest form of
Freddy that we had ever seen.
Right?
No burn scars, just demon deformity.
Mm-hmm.
No glove, just really long nails.
Mm-hmm.
Like, that was Freddy Krueger.
Right.
The way Wes Craven pictured
him originally.
And then New Line did what
New Line does with all of
their horror franchises.
Mm-hmm.
And did what they did, right?
They ran it into the ground,
made as much money as they
could off of it.
Yeah.
Until they could do a versus movie.
Dude, we're on Scream seven.
The last two Scream movies,
that's a whole different episode.
But the last two Scream
movies were outstanding.
I got to agree with you there.
I'm not complaining, dude.
And more nerd news coming in.
Scream seven.
They're bringing back a
bunch of the original OG
cast that aren't dead in the movie-verse.
They should have killed her
ass off in five.
That would have given Dewey
a reason to be pissed off in six.
Neither here nor there.
I agree.
I am excited to get another three.
But we can't hope for the best in seven.
I am excited for another three.
I think the only movie to
try to do something similar
but to do it in a twisted
way was Seed of Chucky.
That was the first meta film
where you actually had
Jennifer Tilly playing
herself but they buried it
in the narrative so deep
that you might not pick up on it.
So you had Tiffany following
down this rabbit hole.
You had Tiffany, the wife,
played by Jennifer Tilly.
attracted to the actress
that plays tiffany in the
movie which is jennifer
tilly wanting to possess
jennifer tilly's body to
get out of the doll which
is named tiffany that's
played by you following yep
I do following it's too
much yeah it's too much but
I think that's as far as
movies go I think that's
the closest one to kind of
start to get into new nightmare territory
But New Nightmare took it serious.
I mean,
Chuck has never taken anything serious.
No.
Thank God for it.
Jeff,
you got anything else on Wes Craven's
New Nightmare?
No.
I really enjoyed this one tremendously.
From the original glove
being on the set to all
those little small details
like that that went into that.
That shit was amazing.
I agree.
All right.
Next on my list,
I'm pretty sure it's on Jeff's Halloween.
Got to talk about Michael Myers.
Wait for it.
It's on the list.
That's the point.
Thank you.
Chris, thank you.
So you got Halloween,
starring Jamie Lee Curtis.
You also have Tony Moran playing The Shape,
as you guys mentioned earlier.
So here's my thing about Halloween.
you don't catch it the first time.
You don't always catch it the second time.
Sometimes you have to watch
it three or four times to
catch all the scenes that
Michael is hiding in.
You don't always see him.
Some are more obvious than others.
And then there's some where it's like,
you read it and somebody's like, hey,
that's, you know, Michael's in that.
No, he's not.
And then you go back, oh, fuck he is.
He's right there.
Damn.
yeah like flanagan movie
yeah um and I feel like it
brings like this eerie kind
of feel to the movie and
the character um for me uh
the other thing I find that
was really eerie about
michael is that when he
would kill somebody
sometimes he would kind of
tilt his head and kind of
look at them as they died that gave
me fucking chills.
I'm just like, why is he doing that?
And the fact that it's just
a man at the time under the mask,
or a man-child, I should say.
Because in his head,
he's still that little boy.
So, that makes it even scarier.
Right.
And before I kind of talk
about some of the theories
that kind of go on,
and they call it the Thorn Trilogy.
I know.
I'm going to touch on it.
I'm not going to spend forever on it.
I see that you're familiar with it, Chris.
It's all right.
We can talk about it.
I ain't going to be happy about it,
but we can talk about it.
Yeah, I'll touch on it a little bit.
Jeff, what's your take on Michael Myers?
I'm a huge,
huge fan of this entire franchise.
I know a lot of people are
going to hate that I'm about to say this.
I really enjoyed the Rob Zombie prequel
Like I loved it.
Like we needed that.
Like I needed that to
understand really what
Michael Myers really was.
And I know a lot of people
absolutely hate this
fucking franchise that Rob Zombie did.
But to me, he added it,
added something to it
versus like Muddy in the Waters.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
I mean,
we're not talking Season of the
Witch here, which has its place.
Whoa, whoa.
I said it has its place.
Listen, calm down.
I don't know why you're
getting all defensive.
I'm not getting defensive.
I'm just saying it's not the
fucking best movie out
there in the franchise.
Like it barely fit.
I'm hurt.
It barely fit.
So since you jumped to Rob Zombie,
I feel like I need to address this.
Go right.
I literally named this this
thing after Rob Zombies.
I'm your boogeyman.
So here's what I think about
the Rob Zombie.
Thank you, Willie, for picking up on that.
So here's my take on Rob Zombies.
I didn't hate it.
Okay.
My thing is, is that...
You see Rob Zombie's movies
and you see Michael's progression.
You see him as a little kid,
why he became like that.
And then you see him
becoming mute and the
psychiatric ward and kind
of his descent into being a
serial killer.
For me...
It took away from Michael
Myers because you just made
him a serial killer at this point.
You took away the boogeyman aspect.
To me, he's not a boogeyman anymore.
To me, he's not as scary.
He's just a dude walking
around with a knife.
I'm not knocking you guys.
I'm just giving my perspective.
Like I said, I didn't hate it.
I'm just saying...
He did a good job,
but you kind of took away
the boogeyman aspect, in my opinion.
I feel like you should have
kept that supernatural part
of it because all
throughout the movie... I
think that added to the
supernatural part that we got later.
That's just me.
I disagree there.
We can all disagree to agree.
Or agree to disagree is what I mean.
I said that backwards.
My bad.
The less you know about your bad guy,
your boogeyman, the less you know, to me,
the more scary they are.
You don't always know their origins.
The less you know,
the more scary they are.
Where do they come from?
I don't know.
Why are they doing this?
I don't know.
Maybe because I'm a Rob
Zombie fanboy when it comes
to his movies.
I'm not...
Except for his monsters.
He should have never done the monsters.
I have zero problems with Rob Zombie.
His take on Halloween, I didn't hate it,
but to me, it's not... To me,
he made him a serial killer.
Here would be my counterpoint.
I don't disagree with you.
I completely agree that Rob
Zombie took away the force
of nature feeling that you
get from Michael Myers in the first film.
You don't know why he's there.
You don't know why he's
killing the people he's killing.
There's no explanation in
the first film whatsoever.
You don't get that until the second film,
right?
I would say that Rob Zombie
did in two hours what the
original franchise took.
Three movies?
Six movies to explain.
Because it's not until
Halloween H-T-O that you
find out all the same information.
There it is.
I love Halloween H-T-O.
I think it's a great movie.
Agreed.
The problem that you have is
that Halloween became a franchise at all.
Yes.
That is a big fact.
This is where me and Jeff
are going to butt heads.
In that, Halloween II, IV,
and on were all Michael Myers movies.
When Halloween was first constructed,
when they first designed this franchise,
when they came back, they said, hey,
we want you to do a different movie.
He didn't want to go back to
Michael Myers.
He wanted to tell an
anthology series wrapped
around the holiday.
So if we take the director's
original vision of what
Halloween should be, right now,
there would be two movies.
There would be Halloween I,
and there would be Halloween III,
Season of the Witch.
which by itself,
if you remove the Halloween title,
is an amazing film.
I will not argue that.
But it's the fact they put
that Halloween in front of
it that kills it.
All Rob Zombie did was
compress that down to a single movie.
I'm going to agree with Chris on this one.
Because for me,
this franchise goes in a
lot of different directions.
And for me, personally,
I took my time with this
whole series to the point where, like,
by the time I got to H.U.O., it was like,
what the... What's going on?
Like, who is... Like,
I know he's a serial killer now,
but I thought he was...
on the realm of Jason.
You know what I mean?
Like, he's unstoppable.
He's only going to come back.
He's supernatural.
You're telling me he's human
with the problem.
Like, it kind of took it away from me.
You know what I mean?
Right.
There's a really cool
diagram out there floating
around that shows you the
different breakdown in the
storylines and how to actually watch it.
Yeah, by different timelines, yeah.
So, Black, did you have
Anything else?
I want to bring up the... So
there's the three
installments called the
Thorn Trilogy and then the
Michael Myers movies.
So it's Halloween four, five, and six,
where it kind of describes
how Michael is actually the...
suffering from a curse.
So I guess there is a cult
called the thorn cult,
I think that is in Haddonfield.
And, um, they select a child, um,
that will be, uh,
basically possessed by this
demon or dark entity named thorn.
And in order to, uh,
make sure they have like less sickness,
like more crops,
like everything be fertile.
Um,
I believe a child will be
possessed and basically I
think their job is to kind
of kill off their whole family line.
Michael did not achieve this
because Lori lived.
And I guess it takes about
three movies to kind of
like talk about that.
And he actually has like,
I can't remember which movie it was,
but you actually see like
runes that are on his arms and hands.
They look like Nordic runes.
Yeah.
I actually didn't know about this.
I was like, oh, really?
I didn't even know about that.
I didn't either.
This is the first I'm hearing of it.
Yeah,
but if you look up Halloween Thorn
Trilogy,
it kind of talks about it a little bit.
I can get behind that a little bit more.
I never watched those movies,
but I think it kind of comes... Oh,
Eric just said it.
It kind of comes back to,
here's the embodiment of evil.
and that's what that that
thorn entity is like a a
demonic sort of god if you
will demonic entity and
you're kind of paying
homage to it but with these
sacrifices and everything
um again I'm a little
biased because I like more
like supernatural aspects
of horror movies so if
anybody watched that what's
your what's your thoughts
on that I want to check it
out now I got to yeah yeah
yeah what about that
I thought it was a neat concept.
I thought it was a way for
them to try to get back to
that original... How in the
hell did he get back up at
the end of that movie?
He can't die.
And that's the trick.
So we've had one, two,
three... I want to say four timelines,
not counting Rob Zombie,
that have split off
following the first Halloween film,
right?
And all of them have
essentially tried to fix
what they had screwed up in
their first two films.
Right.
To try to turn him back into
that force of nature.
Which is really what he is, right?
He's just a force of nature.
That's what I feel like he is, yeah.
For sure.
And I think the Curse of Thorn,
as much as this is probably
going to piss off the
people that loved the...
Was it Blumhouse that did the last...
Halloween ends, Halloween kills,
and Halloween fucking we're
done for another fifteen years.
I didn't watch it, so.
I didn't watch them.
No, I didn't watch them.
We'll argue about that later, Jay.
No problem.
I watched them, and Halloween kills,
I absolutely hate it.
Really?
That was the first one of the trilogy,
right?
That was the last one.
See, I thought that was Halloween ends.
I don't know.
Yeah, you're right.
Halloween ends.
One of them was awesome.
The other one was like,
you're not even close to
where you started.
Let me see.
So it's Halloween Kills.
Halloween... Wait, no.
There's Halloween,
and then there's Halloween Kills,
and then there's Halloween Kills, Yes,
so the first two were good.
The third one was garbage.
We can save that for a later episode.
Terrible.
Okay.
That's the one I was thinking about.
Yeah.
So the Thorne trilogy, I thought,
was neat as hell because they took...
What essentially was an old,
commonly known... Is that
like a separate movie thing?
It's not.
So it's actually Halloween V, VI, and VII,
if I remember right.
It starts with the curse of Michael Myers,
and it actually has Dr.
Loomis introduce the curse of Thorne,
right?
Okay.
The story arc is the leader
of the curse of Thorne
identifies Michael Myers as
someone who needs to kill
his entire family as a
blood sacrifice to ensure...
The success of everyone else.
Right.
So super cliched.
Very children of the corn.
Yeah.
But with Michael Myers.
So instead of Jacob.
You've got Michael Myers.
I had to write it down.
Because I don't want to forget later.
It's really not a bad movie.
But just go one.
Five six seven.
Okay one five six seven.
And it's all based around Samhain.
Or Sam Hine or Howard.
I'm not healthy.
Yeah, there you go.
I'm from Georgia, man.
Dialect and math are just,
they don't fucking happen.
We don't do those where we come from.
We don't do that shit.
English don't do good here.
I'm kidding.
I got you.
But they're solid movies by themselves,
right?
The problem with these is
always when you try the
time and the overarching Halloween thing.
Because no one
No one,
with the exception of John Carpenter.
And, to an extent, Rob Zombie.
But again, different episode.
I've been able to really
capture who Michael Myers is.
But this one, I think,
has done the best job of
trying to wrap that up into a nice,
neat little package for the monies.
Yeah.
Black.
No,
I was thinking while you guys were
saying that, that makes sense.
If you're breaking up the
timeline and that's part of that timeline,
then those movies make sense.
Mm-hmm.
So I need to revisit this whole series,
except for that last movie
took me out of it.
Yeah, I'm not going to fuck with those.
I'm going to go watch it the
way he just said, though.
Yeah, me too.
I've got a graphic,
and I'll see if I can find it.
I think I have it, too, saved somewhere.
I'm pretty sure I do.
I got charts.
It's all five timelines.
It's really cool.
And it breaks it down from
one to two and where they
split and everything.
So it basically tells you
the five ways to watch the
Halloween series where it
fucking makes sense.
Makes sense.
Kind of jive, yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
And they're complete.
They're drastically different stories.
Yeah.
If it's the graphic that I have,
it tells you what each storyline is.
yeah revolves around too
like you start here you go
over here and that will
cover you know this and
then this one will cover
this yep so eric johnson
I'll have to try to track
it down so eric says please
share it please if you guys
can so maybe we can share
it to one of our pages um
that way people can kind of
get behind that um so on all uh
John Carpenter,
one of the awesome masters of horror,
did not disappoint with this franchise,
at least from the boot, in my opinion.
In my opinion,
one of the greatest boogeyman,
definitely the top three.
Absolutely adore Michael and
terrifying Michael Myers.
So Jeff, who else you got on your list?
Okay,
you want me to do a breakdown of the
rest of my list?
Yeah,
because that was basically the only
other.
I only had one other movie,
but it was kind of sketch
and whether I wanted to add it.
So it's called Lights Out.
Never heard of it.
What's the monster in it?
So the monster is.
Well, yeah,
the monster is more of a ghost.
OK.
Monster is more.
Maybe.
Go ahead, Chris.
so I am go ahead for hours
anybody knows me knows that
we know from the last
episode you go ahead you go
ahead bro I'm of the
mindset that regardless of
the form it takes trauma
itself is a boogeyman
So if your trauma shows up as a ghost,
if it shows up as a vampire,
if it shows up as a werewolf, quote,
it follows.
Your definition at the start
of the show was what?
It's normally masculine or androgynous.
But it is known by every culture worldwide,
regardless of what we call it.
Trauma is the one thing that,
regardless of culture, we all know.
yeah so I don't care what it
shows up as if it's
traumatic to the main
character it can appear out
of nowhere cause physical
harm or distress or protect
right if we want to use
that part of the definition
then it's a damn boogeyman
so diana from lights out
absolutely counts and she
was fucking terrifying so
I'm gonna have to check it
out um it's making the list
So Willie says Lights Out was phenomenal.
I remember this movie was
coming out and I want to
give a huge shout out to Teresa Palmer.
She is the main character in this movie.
Absolutely amazing actress.
I absolutely adore her.
She's definitely drawn to the
supernatural and horror.
If you guys have never
watched Discovery of Witches,
just a side note,
it's a great book and a
great series that she's in.
I have read it.
I've read, yeah.
She's amazing.
Yeah, she, as Eric says,
she always chooses really good roles.
So it was kind of like an
autopilot thing for me.
Like, oh, Teresa Palmer's in it?
Girl, let's check it out.
What are we doing?
What'd you pick?
What, you like the script?
Okay, me too.
I'm watching it.
So, I'm watching this movie,
and I kid you not,
I was kind of afraid to
turn the lights out for a little bit,
as Willie pointed out.
Like, the last legit movie, like,
this movie, like, actually, like, didn't,
like, it had him shook, it had me shook.
I didn't want to turn the lights out.
Like, I was scared.
Again,
they kind of portrayed it as a ghost,
but as you so eloquently put, Chris, it's
It's a boogeyman if it's the criteria.
I mean,
it's kind of like what your trauma
produced and that's what happened.
The list that I have and the
ones that were missing on
the list will make sense
too if we look at it that way.
Yeah.
I mean,
that's why I kind of chose
Boogeyman because I wasn't
really sure how else to
kind of... It's a catch-all.
It does.
I don't know how else to
describe Freddy or Jason or
Michael or a lot of other movies as in,
to me, they're just Boogeyman.
They're Boogeyman.
They're things that you kind
of conjured from your fears,
your nightmares, and that's just, to me,
utterly terrifying.
So...
Here's the rest of my list.
These were kind of random,
thrown together.
I don't want to say last
minute because I did this at lunchtime.
A new one for me is the Smile Entity.
Okay.
It's a reach.
I've kind of looked at that
as more of a demon, but that's me.
Art the Clown,
which I think is also more
of a possession slash demon.
Mr. Crockett,
if you have not watched that on Hulu,
on Hulu Screams.
I think it might be a
Goosebumps Universe type of deal.
Is Mr. Crocker the name of it, Jeff?
I don't think so.
He's the main villain in it.
Let me look it up.
And then the Babadook.
I think we talked about that one.
The Tall Man.
Oh, boy.
Yeah.
Boogle?
I think that's how you pronounce it.
Boogle?
Um...
Here's a really good one for you.
I got two more.
Krampus.
Alright.
And finally...
Well, no, I want to say finally,
because I'm saving one for
the very last minute.
So you can actually look at
Santa as being a boogeyman as well,
because Santa would be like
the protector of children.
Yes.
And then you can look at
Krampus as the punisher.
Yes.
Love it.
Because if you actually
watch the movie Krampus,
he punishes that whole family.
And they ask us.
I absolutely love this movie.
It really, really is.
I mean,
just the way that... I think it's German.
Is that right?
I think it's German.
It is, yeah.
The story and origin of
where Krampus comes from.
I like it because instead of
you being on Santa's naughty list,
Santa doesn't have a naughty list.
He has Krampus.
Or him and Krampus are
homies and he's like, hey, Krampus.
You need to go check out Johnny.
He's being a little shit.
This one,
I don't know if y'all ready for it yet,
but this movie scared the
fucking shit out of me when I was a kid.
Pardon my French,
but it scared the living shit out of me.
Okay.
That's terrible.
That's terrible,
but it didn't scare me as
bad as the Candyman did.
Oh, Helen, be my victim.
Tony Todd scares the shit out of me.
To this day.
I liked the remake.
that I did too me too was um
who is that dude with the
newest bets and everything
they have yep scared the
shit out of me still I
loved it I wish here's a
fun fact here's a fun fact
about the original candy
man yeah the bees were real
yeah yeah I read that that
crazy crazy shit oh my gosh
So they did an episode of...
Eli Roth did an episode of
Masters of Horror, I think.
Okay.
Where they covered Candyman.
And he had Todd on there
talking about that role,
going through all that.
You know,
he was a stage-trained Broadway actor.
Tony Todd, okay.
He got that presence.
No other slasher dresses or
carries himself as classy
as Candyman does.
And, I mean, frankly, he was the first...
He was the first black slasher icon,
right?
Yes.
There wasn't one before.
I can't recall one, no.
Outside of the seventies
exploitation stuff.
Not even that, because this role,
you had to take him serious.
Oh, for damn sure.
He scared the shit out of me.
Most definitely.
He had that voice and that gravitas, like,
holy shit, this guy means business.
Final Destination had Tony Todd as well,
right?
well and he kind of changed
that tone of that movie too
like especially the first
Final Destination for me
like I remember you know
you got Devin Sawa in there
and you're like oh shit
this shit's going down it's
crazy and then you see Tony
Todd and you're like oh
shit you knew it was
getting serious if Tony
Todd shows up with that
voice dude totally changed
it and what I love about
his scene in Final
Destination Jen what's that
The hook hanging off the
edge of the basket.
I know!
That was the shout out to the candy man.
Oh, yeah.
And, you know, to me, like,
Tony and Todd could show up in, like,
any horror movie and it'll
change it for me.
Like,
it'll immediately make me feel like
maybe we should turn on a light.
Just like one.
Just like, can we light a candle?
Like, burn some sage?
Like, I don't know.
One thing's for sure.
You're not saying the name
Candyman three times.
No.
To this fucking day.
I will not.
And if I hear you thinking about it,
I hear you thinking about it,
you get in the belt.
I don't care who you are.
But my last one, though.
What's that?
Pale Man, Pan's Labyrinth.
Man, I don't want to talk about that shit.
Okay?
That shit gave me nightmares.
That movie is terrible.
Love the movie.
Pale Man scares the fucking
shit out of me.
That whole movie.
That movie's fucked up, dude.
The first time I saw that movie,
I was like, oh my god.
Right?
Because you go into it thinking, oh,
this is going to be like a
kid's Goonies type.
Oh my god, why is his eyes in his hands?
What is this?
Turn the fucking lights on, please.
Turn the lights on.
I cannot watch this in the dark.
And Guillermo del Toro has
such amazing creatures in
all of his movies.
I remember when they did...
I'm getting off track a little bit,
but when they did...
When they did Hellboy II and
The Golden Army and he had
the Angel of Death.
It's almost like his signature.
He's got these very eerie
creatures in his movies and
they just send a shiver up my spine.
But they're beautiful.
And I love them.
Yes.
Even his anthology series
last year on Hulu.
The Cabinet of Curiosity.
Yes.
The Cabinet of Curiosity.
So good.
The fact that he chose two H.P.
Lovecraft adaptations that he did.
And he nailed them.
That series.
Can we just reflect real quick?
Last year's horror stuff
blew this year's shit out of the water.
Agreed.
Last year was one of the
freakiest fucking years ever.
It was good.
We've had some good horror movie years.
Yeah, definitely.
Every now and then.
There was something Eric
said that actually...
It was spot on.
So if you kind of look at
the definition of, yeah.
So it came to America as the grudge,
but in Japan it was called Ju-on.
That is another one I think is great.
And there's actually a comic
strip of the grudge.
Yeah, it's Samara, right?
It's the little girl.
There's actually a comic strip.
I'm getting a little off topic again,
but there's a comic strip
that has Samara on there.
Is it the ring?
Okay, it's the ring.
Actually,
that's kind of along the same vein, too.
They're all within the
same... They're both on the same boat.
So, actually, the entity,
you could actually say...
Is fueled by um,
maybe somebody's death
Their own death it was their own death.
Yeah their own death.
Um,
yeah even uh going after people that
wrong them um,
or even share like the same
emotion or What have you um,
the grudge is definitely um
another movie I tell you
what man that that is
another intro to a movie
Just seeing that that little girl
That's terrifying.
Get me the fuck out of here.
The Grudge is the movie that
made me realize that I'm a dog person.
I got multiple cats and a dog.
Lord help me.
Get that damn cat away from me.
He's in the tower.
He's cool.
Get out of here.
They're fucking evil as hell.
That was the ring I was talking about.
Apologies.
I loved Sarah Michelle
Gellar in The Grudge.
I like how... This is
actually something I talked
to... I watched this movie
with Eric's mom.
If you guys don't know,
Eric's mom is Japanese.
We were watching it with her.
Eric's mom...
I tell you what, man.
This woman can sit here and
watch us play these horror
video games and watch these
horror movies.
That's true.
We actually think this.
Going to a house where
someone was traumatically
like murdered and there's
like bad energy and vibes
and stuff there she's like
oh yeah yeah you know
people I'm like you're not
helping mom I'm like you're
making this way I'm not
taking her to a but the uh
the carriage rides they do
in uh the haunted part of
new orleans around the
graveyard and stuff
Just don't take her to New Orleans.
Yeah, don't take her there.
She's going to be the most
stable person there.
I've never seen that woman scared.
Yeah, she can watch anything.
Remember she watched The
Grudge and she watched The Ring with us.
She's like, oh yeah.
And I'm like, mom!
The movie's fucking terrifying.
Her hair is coming out of the ceiling.
This movie is rooted in realism.
I'm not staying in that part of Japan.
No, I don't want to.
Never.
I know.
Oh, Eric's laughing.
That's true.
Jeff,
did you have any other movies you
want to talk about?
I think we've hammered them
all out on my end of the story.
Actually,
I want to honorable mention WWE
The Boogeyman.
We're not discussing The
Boogeyman without
mentioning The Boogeyman.
We're not talking about our wrestlers.
Go ahead.
We're going to throw Papa
Sean into the mix as well.
I got one for both of y'all.
Go ahead.
Bray Wyatt.
Follow the buzzers, sir.
Since we're on this topic of protection,
Bray Wyatt was a protection
gimmick for a real-life guy
because he had dealt with a
lot of rejection and his...
experiences,
being a character that he
didn't want to be,
kind of forced his hand at
what the Fiend was.
So him going through his
career and being rejected
in all of his ideas,
he created that Fiend
character as a protection gimmick.
Under the mask,
he could be who he truly wanted to be.
The ultimate boogeyman.
And I'll give you one.
I'll give you a good boogeyman right now.
Cody Rhodes is a great boogeyman.
I know where you're going with this,
and I fucking love the idea.
I do.
I really love this idea.
Cody Rhodes is the boogeyman.
I love the idea.
No, it's a great theory, and I love it.
If you look at what Roman Reigns was,
which he's also...
I know, and he's coming back as a face.
Yes, yes, yes.
But Cody Rhodes is not a good guy.
No, he's a greedy little shit.
He's the bad guy.
Cody Rhodes is the bad guy.
He's the son of a bum of fun.
Yep, to be the good guy.
He is the boogeyman.
Anybody got
Anything else they want to mention?
Any characters we didn't talk about?
Any movies we didn't talk about?
It's our last show.
I do.
Go ahead.
I knew you did.
First off, for the parents out there,
we got Mr. Boogity and Bride of Boogity.
These are movies that I
watched when I was...
Seven or eight years old on
The Wonderful World of
Disney on Sunday nights.
And I absolutely loved them.
It's about a statue that comes to life,
scares the crap out of a family.
Yeah.
If you got kids, check out Mr. Boogity.
It's on Disney+.
I've already checked.
I may have watched it three, four,
seven times in the last month or so.
And I'm going to steal a
little bit of Willie's thunder, I think,
this evening since he couldn't make it.
and list off a couple of
animes from the horror genre.
Okay.
But one in particular that
deals with the boogeyman subject,
the first one is going to be Hellsing.
Ooh.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Certainly not for the kids.
No.
Would not recommend it,
especially the updated version of it.
I want to say there's an
essay in episode four or
five that's pretty intense.
It's about mid-season.
Yeah, so...
Be careful with that one.
The other one is actually
going to be Yami.
It's a series.
So I'll give you the premise
and I'll give you the title
because I from George and I
can't pronounce Japanese names.
So it's essentially the
wraparound is that man in
yellow that doesn't own a
monkey named George shows
up every night and
basically tells people ghost stories.
And the name of the series
is actually Theater of
Darkness Yamishibai.
And it's on Crunchyroll.
The animation style is
something that is extremely
unique compared to anything
I've seen in the anime realm.
It's very much more like an
animated comic strip than
it is a true anime.
But the art style is absolutely beautiful.
The stories are...
amazingly good each episode
is between like four and
eight minutes long and
there's like thirteen to
fourteen of them so they're
a quick watch but man are
they good outside of that
when it comes to Boogeyman
I really think we've
covered the vast majority
of the characters that I
think I know and love the
one thing that I would say
not to steal any thunder from anybody
or for the show at all but I
would like to say rest in
peace to Terry Garr who
passed away today at the
age of seventy nine for any
horror fans you probably
know her from Young
Frankenstein for fans of
comedies you know her from
Mr. Mom she's been around
for a long time great
actress done some amazing
things so best wishes to
her and her family thank you Chris
And I'll come up with a
funny joke so we don't end
this on a depressing note.
We won't.
We're not going to because
we're ready to roll into
final shots and thoughts.
Unless Jen's got something else.
I do.
Oh,
so since Chris kind of touched on the
vein of maybe some things
that your kids can watch,
there was an anime that
Eric and I watched.
It's called Mushishi.
um it is a great anime yep I
was asking eric what you're
talking I was like what's
the name of the anime so
it's called mushishi if you
guys have ever watched it
um it is um so every story
is different and it has
like a different spirit
That the basically the
traveler kind of diagnosed
and he kind of figures out
like how to kind of deal with the spirit.
Some of the tones are a
little bit more mature than others.
Definitely,
I would recommend it to a grown up.
I love it.
I wish they made more.
I adore it.
Other things that my family
and I watch for Halloween
is definitely Hocus Pocus.
Not part two.
I like part two.
You shush it.
I wish they would have stuck
with the book.
I didn't see they're doing a TV series.
Live action TV series.
They're bringing everybody
back and they're going to
do a live action TV series.
Another thing that money at Disney.
Yeah, like they're hurting for it.
And the other thing we
always watch is Nightmare
Before Christmas.
So that's also with
Christmas and Halloween.
Hey,
the actor that played Oogie Boogie
passed recently, too.
Yeah, the voice actor.
Yeah, fucking sucks, man.
That was a I believe it.
Yeah.
Um.
Black,
do you have any kind of Halloween
traditions that you guys
like to watch you can
recommend to people?
Well, you kind of took mine.
This year,
we're doing the Halloween series.
We're going to watch that.
One of our traditions is
Nightmare Before Christmas.
My daughter's a huge Tim Burton fan.
She kind of got me into that.
Another one that we end up
watching during Halloween,
I have no idea why, is Coraline.
That's perfect.
We're still watching that.
during halloween oh yeah I'm
gonna take away the final
shots and thoughts real
quick coralline's mom
showed up on the boogeyman
list as well really yeah in
her uh in her other form in
the spider form they
considered yeah they
considered her a boogeyman
in that so now I'll put it
back up I left her off the
list because I was like
yeah but now I'm like you know what
I fucking love Coraline.
Me and my daughter watched that one.
Halloween night, that's our go-to.
We'll watch Coraline.
Love it.
She'll watch it up there.
I'll watch it down here.
We love it.
It's a good movie.
What's that though?
Jen, what's going on with the Queens?
Anything coming up?
I'm going to play my
transition really quick.
Final shots and thoughts.
All right.
But now final thoughts.
Jen, what you got?
Well,
I will be releasing sometime this week.
The last episode of our
spooky season will be the
werewolf or no zombies.
And then hopefully I can get
episode thirty four of
Fallen Star out and
Things are kind of progressing along.
We are going to be gaming this weekend.
I'm super excited.
It's been a little bit since we've gamed.
going to be fun.
I can't wait.
If you guys have never done a TTRPG,
I highly recommend it.
Get a book.
Pick somebody to be the
dungeon master and have a fun time.
It's free.
The only thing that costs
money is eventually just
getting the dice and buying pizza.
And more books.
You should do it.
But that's all I got for the quiz.
It's upside down.
My bad.
Now shameless plug.
This is how I got started.
Wizards of the Coast needs
more of our money.
They got a lot of mine
because I sponsored a D&D
club at my daughter's school.
So I went a little overboard,
I should say.
Chris, anything coming up with you?
No.
So just kind of kicking it around.
Excited to see the zombies episode.
I hear there's an exciting
new guest appearance there.
but a dude who thinks he
knows what he's talking about.
So, interested to hear that.
I bet his name's Chris.
I bet it is.
Yeah,
it's like CJ or Lovebug or something.
It's really weird.
Lovebug?
But he seemed like a nice guy.
Yeah, he's a nice guy.
And Lovebug sounds very fitting,
I must say.
It does, yeah.
He's like a teddy bear
stuffed with razor blades,
I think is how I heard him described.
I can see that.
Nails on a chalkboard, maybe?
Yeah, yeah.
Looks soft and cuddly, but if you hug him,
he'll cut a bitch kind of thing.
So you guys may see Chris
and I in future episodes
talking about more horror stuff because,
you know,
there's just so much to talk about.
Wait, does that make Chris a new queen?
Yes.
I love it.
Chef's kiss.
Black, what you got going on?
I got my own personal
boogeyman in here right now.
My niece is in here.
What up?
We have no gimmicks tomorrow.
We're ending our spooky
season talking about the
scariest big men.
We are also doing crown
jewel predictions tomorrow.
It's going to be a fun time.
Make sure you guys come in.
I love it.
Oh, I forgot.
I'm going to be on Pop Break
tomorrow with Amanda.
We're going to be talking
about Agatha all along.
I'm super excited.
If you guys have not watched that show,
I a thousand times ten
infinity recommend it.
It's amazing.
I love Agatha all along.
Is it phase two MCU amazing?
Because if not, I'm not watching.
I would put it up there.
It's on that level.
Alright, I'll check it out.
It has no filler episodes.
No,
and I just watched one of the best
flashback episodes I've
ever seen in my life.
I'll check it out.
That flashback episode,
I think it was episode five.
Holy shit.
But that brings me...
Yes, but I wasn't going to bring that up.
I'm saving that one.
I'm saving it.
So,
USDN's got... USDN short number four
being filmed tomorrow.
New comic book day for the
thirtieth of October will be tomorrow.
Agatha All Along for the...
The finale will be next week.
Next week, I think.
And I'll have my cast of usual.
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Finale is next week, right?
This week.
So the finale episode will be next week.
Okay.
It's going to be a late night.
Yes, it will.
Well, I don't do it on the same night.
I do it like the day after or something.
I'll talk about me because
now I have to binge Agatha.
Oh, yeah.
You definitely got to.
Yes.
Yeah.
And then I may be on No
Gamuts tomorrow doing Crown
Jewel predictions.
Spoiler, he will be.
The Rock is going to interfere.
He better not.
Last time he hit me with the
people's belt and it pissed me off.
I had a concussion for a week.
I had a concussion for a
week the last time he did that.
And then what else do I got coming up?
Uh...
Yeah, but just be on the lookout.
You never know when I'm
going to drop a short.
You know, I watched your short.
I really like them.
Because I drop them two a week sometimes.
I like them.
I mean,
you have a lot of comic insights
and I love that.
It's great.
It's mainly new comic book day releases.
And then I'll do... Last
week I did my... It's your niche.
I like it.
Halloween Havoc Predictions.
I like your niche.
It's a good...
You just never know.
I'll do them on anything.
I don't care.
All you got to do is drop it
in the comments and if I like it,
I'll run it.
Run with it.
That's all I have.
Anything else from anybody
else before I close this show out?
Negative Ghostwriter.
Roger, Roger.
Thanks for having me.
Yeah, man.
Always.
It's been great.
Always.
Thanks for coming through, man.
Yeah, we appreciate it.
It's been fun.
So with that, everybody,
thanks everybody for tuning in to my,
I don't know what episode
this is anymore because I don't keep up.
Watch the DM page for
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This shit is USDN approved.
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