WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:26.599 --> 00:00:28.969 jethro_1_07-23-2025_101746: Welcome to Transformative Principal. 00:00:28.969 --> 00:00:34.039 I am very excited to have on the program today, Derek DC Krieger. 00:00:34.309 --> 00:00:39.379 Uh, he's a passionate advocate for making artificial intelligence approachable and accessible. 00:00:40.084 --> 00:00:43.294 Particularly for individuals within the Neurodiverse community. 00:00:43.414 --> 00:00:54.544 As someone who is autistic, Derrick has dedicated himself to fostering a supportive environment where people with autism, A DHD, and dyslexia, can leverage AI to enhance their skills and income. 00:00:54.964 --> 00:01:03.094 Through his work at Practical ai, he emphasizes clarity and support, ensuring that users can navigate AI without being overwhelmed by its complexities. 00:01:03.469 --> 00:01:12.679 He's got a great history and this wonderful community practical AI that you, uh, can read a little bit more about on the show notes at Transformative Principal dot org. 00:01:13.039 --> 00:01:18.979 Uh, but Derek, DC you prefer DC So we'll go with dc Excuse me, I keep saying Derek. 00:01:19.309 --> 00:01:21.064 Uh, welcome to Transformative Princip. 00:01:22.199 --> 00:01:26.969 derek-crager---practical-ai_1_07-23-2025_131818: Well, uh, thank you Jethro, and honestly, is, uh, fine. 00:01:26.999 --> 00:01:29.369 Uh, Derek in a crowded room, people. 00:01:30.304 --> 00:01:33.514 Hear Daryl and Eric and anything else. 00:01:33.514 --> 00:01:36.484 So, uh, but yeah, my name's Derek, uh, dc either one. 00:01:36.484 --> 00:01:38.584 I, I, I respond to, so thank you. 00:01:39.124 --> 00:01:39.634 jethro_1_07-23-2025_101746: Excellent. 00:01:39.694 --> 00:01:41.524 Well, great to have you here. 00:01:41.824 --> 00:01:49.174 Talk to me a little bit about this idea of using ai, particularly with Neurodiverse people. 00:01:49.174 --> 00:01:49.564 What. 00:01:49.969 --> 00:01:55.604 What's the difference for someone who's neurodiverse as opposed to just any regular Joe off the street? 00:01:57.139 --> 00:02:03.019 derek-crager---practical-ai_1_07-23-2025_131818: Well, I, uh, I think the, uh, the experience is different because our histories are different. 00:02:03.754 --> 00:02:14.224 Um, if we, uh, to throw a, a couple terms out here, you know, neurodiversity on one side and neurotypical on the other, uh, the neurotypical is, uh, is that category. 00:02:14.224 --> 00:02:15.124 We throw the, 00:02:15.164 --> 00:02:15.284 jethro_1_07-23-2025_101746: I. 00:02:15.454 --> 00:02:20.104 derek-crager---practical-ai_1_07-23-2025_131818: uh, traditionally average people to, you know, air quotes here, quote unquote, average. 00:02:20.569 --> 00:02:24.529 Um, but normative, I guess is, uh, is, uh, a better way to put it. 00:02:24.589 --> 00:02:30.079 Uh, a average always sounds like an insult, so, uh, when it's applied to humans. 00:02:30.499 --> 00:02:37.639 Um, but yeah, the, uh, the experience coming in with AI is that, uh, uh, it gives us someone to talk to. 00:02:38.344 --> 00:02:42.814 And, um, connecting through a human level is important. 00:02:42.844 --> 00:02:47.524 And I'm even talking, uh, beyond, you know, uh, keystrokes and clicks. 00:02:47.524 --> 00:03:00.994 It's, uh, if we can get to that human, human conversation with ai that's, um, uh, one thing I do with, with my company, both on the profit and the non-profit side, is I built a voice interface. 00:03:01.324 --> 00:03:09.274 To emulate this, uh, patient supportive anthropomorphized ai, that, that sounds like a human. 00:03:09.274 --> 00:03:12.394 So I think that's important to get through the psychological barrier. 00:03:13.384 --> 00:03:22.174 either way, um, those of us that, uh, that are on the spectrum, uh, or considered neurodivergent, um, we have, uh. 00:03:23.194 --> 00:03:25.564 Honestly a, a rough history. 00:03:25.654 --> 00:03:31.894 Um, we are the, uh, lowest employment rate when it comes to, uh, to employment statistics. 00:03:32.254 --> 00:03:36.874 And a lot of times we do good things, but, uh, we can't explain 'em well. 00:03:36.874 --> 00:03:40.114 So that means we, we don't connect to the social. 00:03:40.114 --> 00:03:45.994 So, um, AI allows us to speak with ourselves in a manner. 00:03:46.054 --> 00:03:47.014 Um, there's. 00:03:48.514 --> 00:03:55.954 Multiple platforms out there, whether it be Notebook, LM or uh, Chad, GPT project or perplexity spaces. 00:03:55.954 --> 00:04:03.574 Those are just three off the top of my head that allow us to, uh, create a diary for ourselves and be able to talk to ourselves. 00:04:03.574 --> 00:04:12.664 So, uh, in that manner, it's um, uh, those of us that are a DHD, we're either at 50,000 feet or we're deep in the weeds and nowhere in between. 00:04:12.664 --> 00:04:15.814 So I know it allows me, uh, to. 00:04:16.234 --> 00:04:24.334 Uh, what I'm deep in the weeds to talk to myself through the, uh, AI interface and say, Hey, gimme a broad view. 00:04:24.364 --> 00:04:26.524 'cause I'm, I, I'm stuck on something. 00:04:26.554 --> 00:04:28.204 Or even just the opposite. 00:04:28.564 --> 00:04:38.914 If I'm at the 50,000 viewpoint and my mind's going everywhere, racing and I can't get into the weeds, or I can't identify the top five or the top 10, or what are the highlights? 00:04:38.914 --> 00:04:43.144 Then I can ask myself through, um, this AI. 00:04:43.579 --> 00:04:48.919 Front end diary, you know, to, uh, uh, to elicit those, those items. 00:04:48.919 --> 00:04:59.629 So it's, uh, it's a way to, um, get advice from ourself and, uh, not, and especially we, we won't have the fear of asking a human. 00:04:59.899 --> 00:05:04.309 I mean, in school, what's one of the first things we always hear at the beginning of the year? 00:05:04.309 --> 00:05:06.499 You know, there are no dumb questions type of things. 00:05:06.499 --> 00:05:11.119 But even still, um, those of us that are on the spectrum of some sort, we've. 00:05:11.614 --> 00:05:17.299 We've heard that and, and we still get experience that our questions are dumb, so we refrain even deeper and go on our shell. 00:05:18.904 --> 00:05:20.254 jethro_1_07-23-2025_101746: Yeah, that makes total sense. 00:05:20.254 --> 00:05:29.434 And in, in working with my own daughter on this kind of stuff, she, she sometimes doesn't have the capacity to articulate the question that she's asking. 00:05:29.884 --> 00:05:30.899 And so, for example. 00:05:31.264 --> 00:05:39.034 This morning at breakfast, she was, she was asking a question and we couldn't understand what she was asking. 00:05:39.034 --> 00:05:46.294 And she was trying to refer to something in the past and instead of saying Last Christmas, she said last week. 00:05:46.594 --> 00:05:49.804 And so then we were more confused about that situation. 00:05:49.894 --> 00:05:56.224 And there's, there's this paper that came out recently called Your Brain on Chat, GPT, cognitive Debt. 00:05:56.494 --> 00:05:59.549 And this idea of cognitive debt has really been. 00:06:00.289 --> 00:06:12.229 Weighing heavily on me in that the paper proposed that essentially people who use chat GPT to do things that they are taking on cognitive debt. 00:06:12.649 --> 00:06:28.849 But in reading that paper and starting to understand some aspects of it, I believe that chat, GPT actually provides cognitive equity for some people because it gives them an ability to, to do the things that. 00:06:29.389 --> 00:06:34.219 Typically get in trouble, uh, cause them trouble in their day-to-day communication. 00:06:34.219 --> 00:06:43.549 So, for example, for my daughter to put together complex words and phrases can be very challenging, but she can get the base idea down. 00:06:43.639 --> 00:06:58.114 And so using chat, GPT actually enables her to have a voice where she didn't have a voice before because it helps her explain things where she's just getting the highlights and it helps explain them and fill in the gaps. 00:06:58.924 --> 00:07:00.004 Does that make sense? 00:07:00.004 --> 00:07:02.069 What do you see with that kind of an approach? 00:07:02.979 --> 00:07:05.739 derek-crager---practical-ai_1_07-23-2025_131818: Oh, that's, uh, we're definitely in alignment on this. 00:07:05.739 --> 00:07:20.409 It's, uh, what is there, depending on, uh, the research, there's 30,000 or 60,000, uh, words in the, uh, English language and, um, a typical human, you know, we're walking around with five, maybe 6,000 words. 00:07:20.409 --> 00:07:22.574 So your word for something may be different. 00:07:23.434 --> 00:07:44.524 my word for something, and we write this off sometimes as cultural, and yeah, the culture has a certain, um, uh, connection to it and the reason why somebody might call a couch at one place, but a Davenport and someplace else, it, it's, if we don't know there's that if translation, then yeah, we're like, wait a minute, what is a Davenport? 00:07:45.094 --> 00:07:51.514 And, uh, so yeah, the, uh, the, the way your family, uh, speaks it, it's the same way for. 00:07:52.189 --> 00:07:53.269 For your, your daughter. 00:07:53.269 --> 00:07:54.499 I, I picture that. 00:07:54.499 --> 00:08:11.390 Uh, and first of all, I wanna preface this by saying that anybody on the neurodiverse, uh, spectrum, um, in that neurodiversity group, uh, just because we have diagnosed with the same professional diagnosis with whatever that might be. 00:08:12.439 --> 00:08:16.759 That does not mean that we're the same as somebody else sitting next to us with that same diagnosis. 00:08:16.759 --> 00:08:18.739 I think that's very important to understand. 00:08:18.739 --> 00:08:24.649 That's something that I didn't even understand until, uh, 10 years ago, and so. 00:08:26.029 --> 00:08:30.319 there's something that, uh, uh, Dr. Nancy Doyle came up with. 00:08:30.379 --> 00:08:35.689 Uh, she's a doctor out of the UK and she built this, uh, community called Genius Within. 00:08:35.689 --> 00:08:41.179 And she talks about what is neurodiversity, and she identifies, uh, the spiky profile. 00:08:41.179 --> 00:08:50.899 And to her, the spiky profile is that, um, it's like an XY graph and we plot out our skill sets and the neurotypical. 00:08:52.129 --> 00:08:59.119 People in the world, they're like a plus one to a minus one or a zero all the way across, but they come out to be that average. 00:08:59.179 --> 00:09:00.829 You know, there's that word again, average. 00:09:01.219 --> 00:09:02.419 Um, but that's normal. 00:09:02.779 --> 00:09:14.089 And so for the, uh, those of us that are, you know, neurodiverse, we might, um, be a 10 neurotypicals are a one. 00:09:14.419 --> 00:09:17.929 But to balance that, we might be a minus 10. 00:09:18.364 --> 00:09:23.404 Where a neurotypical is a one, and that plus 10 might be in our creativity. 00:09:23.494 --> 00:09:24.784 It could be building something. 00:09:24.784 --> 00:09:33.304 It could be our analytical mind, and then maybe we come up with something great for a company or a school or a project or, or for mom and dad. 00:09:33.724 --> 00:09:35.884 And then we try to explain it. 00:09:36.724 --> 00:09:40.324 so like your daughter is trying to explain, maybe we're a minus 10. 00:09:41.104 --> 00:09:52.834 And because we lack the control over the words and to some of that, it really, that lack of control over the words is the interface with the risk of humanity or humankind. 00:09:53.284 --> 00:10:04.564 And if, if that's our only method of communication, then it sounds like whoever's trying to communicate is ignorant or they lack the knowledge where sometimes it's just the opposite. 00:10:04.834 --> 00:10:07.894 Sometimes there are so many things going on in that mind. 00:10:08.299 --> 00:10:16.069 That, uh, they might know 10 words for that topic and they're just gonna throw one out at you because their gears are turning so fast. 00:10:16.249 --> 00:10:18.739 They're just spitting to put the, uh, language together. 00:10:19.039 --> 00:10:25.309 And in their mind, their mind is running so fast that they're thinking about 10 things ahead of the conversation. 00:10:25.669 --> 00:10:32.569 So to put them in a scenario where they have to stop, you know, smell the roses type of phrase. 00:10:32.569 --> 00:10:35.479 There are all kinds of phrasings in life that we pick up. 00:10:35.539 --> 00:10:35.931 Um, you know. 00:10:36.649 --> 00:10:38.959 Take a minute, take a heartbeat type of things. 00:10:39.409 --> 00:10:40.789 Um, live in the present. 00:10:41.149 --> 00:10:52.609 Uh, for those of us with our minds where the gears are going, it's very easy to use words that are conversation partners don't understand. 00:10:52.609 --> 00:10:57.949 So it is very much like a, uh, interpretation needed and chat. 00:10:57.949 --> 00:11:00.169 GPT does offer that. 00:11:00.229 --> 00:11:00.919 Uh, definitely. 00:11:01.974 --> 00:11:03.894 jethro_1_07-23-2025_101746: Well, yeah, and that's something that's really interesting. 00:11:03.894 --> 00:11:14.214 I, I like that genius within approach because in my daughter's situation, she may be a minus 10 in a whole bunch of areas, and then a plus 10 in only one area, and. 00:11:14.929 --> 00:11:23.869 You know, it it, when we talk about this, we often talk like we're really good in one area that makes up for the deficit in another area. 00:11:24.109 --> 00:11:25.460 But it may be that we are. 00:11:26.389 --> 00:11:32.689 Negative in, in a lot of areas, uh, as it relates to what is typical and what is normal. 00:11:32.989 --> 00:11:38.929 And that makes it really difficult to assimilate and participate in our modern economy. 00:11:38.929 --> 00:11:44.419 And the, the things that we do on a day-to-day basis in our society that can make it really challenging. 00:11:44.479 --> 00:11:47.839 And one of those things is being able to read. 00:11:47.839 --> 00:11:55.414 For example, um, even, you know, with all this stuff around ai, so much of it is text-based and so. 00:11:56.194 --> 00:11:58.924 It, you mentioned having a voice interface that helps. 00:11:58.924 --> 00:12:10.264 And then you also mentioned the idea of this patient, uh, infinitely patient thing that can deal with the millions of questions that are asked. 00:12:10.264 --> 00:12:15.574 And, and that is exactly something that, um, that I've seen with, with neurodiverse. 00:12:16.309 --> 00:12:29.329 Diverse folks that I've worked with, that, that they have a lot of questions and ask them repeatedly and constantly, even when we, we already have determined that these things are, are the case and happening. 00:12:29.629 --> 00:12:31.579 They still come back to these questions often. 00:12:31.579 --> 00:12:37.699 And so having something that is infinitely patient can be a really powerful support for someone. 00:12:38.029 --> 00:12:45.289 And so my question then with, with these contexts in place, how, how do you do it so that. 00:12:45.664 --> 00:12:58.054 The, the AI is actually beneficial for the person and that it is attuned to what it is that they need and that it, it can help them in their specific use case. 00:12:59.039 --> 00:13:11.249 derek-crager---practical-ai_1_07-23-2025_131818: Oh, certainly it's, uh, that, that's, an important distinction because we hear, and we read the, of the headlines that talk about AI being inaccurate or hallucinating, et cetera. 00:13:11.249 --> 00:13:13.414 So we have our special sauce on the back. 00:13:13.769 --> 00:13:15.209 End of our model. 00:13:15.479 --> 00:13:22.919 And, uh, our model is, um, is set up where we take the knowledge domain, whatever that knowledge domain is. 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:27.779 So we, we compartmentalize a, a specific knowledge. 00:13:28.169 --> 00:13:30.329 For example, let's say seventh grade science. 00:13:31.504 --> 00:13:36.274 Maybe we take the seventh grade science book and we digest that into a database. 00:13:36.274 --> 00:13:38.824 You know, vector database is a cool term to throw around. 00:13:39.214 --> 00:13:42.124 Um, but, uh, we digest that into a database. 00:13:42.124 --> 00:13:47.284 We have an AI on the back end that interprets the data, and then we have that transition point. 00:13:47.284 --> 00:13:56.734 We have a, a different, uh, um, large language model on the front end to interface between the human the, uh, the back end. 00:13:57.094 --> 00:13:59.644 And, uh, so it's really about can. 00:14:00.049 --> 00:14:08.209 Putting the knowledge in a container and allowing our AI to speak and from that knowledge domain. 00:14:08.389 --> 00:14:09.229 Nowhere else. 00:14:09.229 --> 00:14:11.239 So we put guardrails on it. 00:14:11.599 --> 00:14:28.759 And so the conversation when we're talking to it is very much like speaking to somebody that, uh, is on the spectrum because we set this up as a subject matter expert, this SME in a box, and it talks ad infinitum on that subject. 00:14:29.314 --> 00:14:34.234 But if you ask it about, you know, curly fries at Arby's, it's probably not gonna be the answer. 00:14:34.234 --> 00:14:34.474 Yeah. 00:14:34.864 --> 00:14:39.544 And it, uh, versus the public domain, uh, tools that are out there. 00:14:40.039 --> 00:14:42.289 You're just gonna get the first answer that comes up. 00:14:42.289 --> 00:14:46.279 That's really Chad GT's model is to just return an answer. 00:14:46.639 --> 00:14:59.689 So, yeah, that's, uh, it's, it's important that we stick to the quality of the data and we increase the accuracy of the conversation by limiting our interface with just that specific. 00:15:03.772 --> 00:15:27.622 jethro_1_07-23-2025_101746: So how does this work then in a situation where there is, you know, let's say we need this to be a helper for navigating the community, for example, and uh, someone doesn't have the language skills to get out there, but they can text and then can the AI then be their voice and say, I want to go to this place and it will. 00:15:27.982 --> 00:15:29.422 Communicate that for them. 00:15:29.452 --> 00:15:42.352 What, what kinds of situations where exist, where, where you can do more than just teach a subject, but can also help them navigate an environment or a conversation or a relationship. 00:15:43.332 --> 00:15:43.602 derek-crager---practical-ai_1_07-23-2025_131818: Yeah. 00:15:43.602 --> 00:15:46.032 Well that, that's ideal and that's really our forte. 00:15:46.032 --> 00:15:51.132 That's, that's where we thrive is, is going beyond just the steps because. 00:15:51.502 --> 00:16:07.852 Uh, we can have a, a list of ingredients on a recipe, and it tells us how to bake muffins, but that doesn't mean that that index card can tell us what to do if our oven is oversized or it's outta whack, or we we're missing an ingredient. 00:16:08.272 --> 00:16:10.792 Um, and then in the, uh, in the. 00:16:14.272 --> 00:16:14.992 How about this? 00:16:15.022 --> 00:16:26.362 Um, if we have, uh, our earbuds in and we're listening to our map, let's say Google Map, that's walking around town, so that would be similar to the scenario you're, you're talking about in a geographical sense. 00:16:26.662 --> 00:16:35.812 Um, the, uh, the, uh, Google Maps is going to respond on just straight how to get there, but you can't ask Google Mass. 00:16:36.202 --> 00:16:40.432 Um, you know, the road's blocked or the, the bridge is washed out. 00:16:40.492 --> 00:16:41.392 Um, I mean. 00:16:42.142 --> 00:16:44.722 got some workarounds in there, but it's not conversational. 00:16:44.722 --> 00:16:58.612 Whereas if they were, if, if your daughter was speaking to you the telephone, she has her backpack on, her earbuds in and she's talking to dad and she says, Hey dad, I got down here and I, I can see the McDonald's across the way, but the bridge is washed out. 00:16:59.002 --> 00:17:03.622 Um, then dad would say, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, just go down to First Street, take a right. 00:17:03.892 --> 00:17:05.182 And that's the workaround. 00:17:05.542 --> 00:17:08.872 And that's a very simplified version of. 00:17:09.322 --> 00:17:12.802 Of what our AI is doing right now, conversationally. 00:17:12.802 --> 00:17:22.492 So any place that a human can be and offer mentorship, that is, um, that's the domain we're covering right now. 00:17:22.552 --> 00:17:30.232 We're not trying to be all things to all people, but in that scenario, uh, we take the topic and we are working on. 00:17:30.637 --> 00:17:32.227 Um, business side. 00:17:32.227 --> 00:17:38.407 We have school side on specific topics, but also, um, I learned when I, uh, I'm not a certified teacher. 00:17:38.407 --> 00:17:43.147 I'll, I'll, I'll say that to the crowd here, but I know that there's a shortage of teachers. 00:17:43.147 --> 00:17:50.197 So in, uh, in what time I have to spare, I volunteer at the local, uh, as a, uh, substitute teacher. 00:17:50.197 --> 00:17:58.657 And, and I found out that, uh, depending on the school system, you have, uh, adults that chaperone or mentor. 00:17:58.972 --> 00:18:01.642 In individual students, one-on-one throughout the day. 00:18:01.912 --> 00:18:15.987 They walk around with them, they go with them, they help interpret, uh, like we discussed a little bit ago, and they help interface and they help, uh, um, uh, that they go better for that student so everybody can learn. 00:18:16.807 --> 00:18:19.177 In the school system without disrupting the class. 00:18:19.177 --> 00:18:21.337 So a lot of money. 00:18:21.367 --> 00:18:28.627 If we had one adult for every student, I mean, we'd have, we wouldn't have 25 to one teacher to student ratios, right? 00:18:28.627 --> 00:18:36.097 So if we had that economic, uh, capability, we'd be supporting the teachers much better. 00:18:36.457 --> 00:18:41.677 Um, so with this, uh, with this, and I saw this a couple years ago and it started my mind turning on that. 00:18:42.607 --> 00:18:51.697 your scenario, can we give somebody this, this virtual mentor that they can carry around with them and it's, it's not even a, uh, a visual handicap at this point. 00:18:51.697 --> 00:18:54.817 So it doesn't separate them and call them out for being different. 00:18:55.087 --> 00:18:57.127 Oh, you got the human walking with you. 00:18:57.487 --> 00:19:06.277 Um, it's in their ear and they can say, Hey, I'm going to math class and I really have, I really have trouble with math and I don't know where to start. 00:19:06.277 --> 00:19:08.767 I don't know how to talk to the teacher about it. 00:19:08.767 --> 00:19:10.507 Can you talk me through this? 00:19:11.497 --> 00:19:16.447 in a very supporting, caring way, um, it will say, Hey, you know, try this. 00:19:16.447 --> 00:19:25.627 And then depending on the knowledge that is contained, um, there's different scenarios that it will walk the student through on how to connect it. 00:19:25.687 --> 00:19:31.117 Uh, we could have that knowledge programmed with, um, you know, what's my locker combination? 00:19:31.117 --> 00:19:31.867 I forgot. 00:19:33.007 --> 00:19:51.372 and then I. I was listening to your episode last week with, uh, uh, you and Damon talking about software and I think, uh, I think it was Damon that was going into, um, we have this knowledge loss when a teacher leads and the teacher takes all that knowledge of the student. 00:19:51.742 --> 00:20:02.362 And then we have a certain amount of records, but those records are really cold and, and they really don't tell us about the student other than really their attendance and, and very, a very high level view. 00:20:02.692 --> 00:20:05.212 And I know a large part of your discussion was on. 00:20:06.097 --> 00:20:11.707 do we share a spreadsheet and what happens when we fat finger the spreadsheet and who has access to this knowledge? 00:20:11.707 --> 00:20:25.182 And, and, uh, so I envision taking the tool that, that we built and going beyond just supporting one person at a time, but in, in a scenario where, you know, we're not. 00:20:25.877 --> 00:20:30.347 the privacy concerns are taken care of, and it's all within the school system. 00:20:30.617 --> 00:20:54.437 How cool would it be for, you know, little Johnny or Jill to come into a class in, in, in second term and the teacher doesn't pull up a record and look at this, you know, black and white ones and zeros about the record, but what if they could just dial a phone number and said, hey, um, you know, I've got, uh, Johnny and his, his twin sister Jill in here in from, uh, you know, the next borough over. 00:20:55.192 --> 00:20:56.812 Um, can you tell me about 'em? 00:20:57.382 --> 00:21:06.412 And then conversationally, they're gonna be told about the highs, the lows, what they're having trouble with, what they really excel at. 00:21:06.892 --> 00:21:20.062 And I, I tell people, Jethro, that our AI technology is 50,000 years old back in the day before, you know, Gutenberg press and before writing instruments, um, we told stories. 00:21:20.617 --> 00:21:22.267 And it was human to human. 00:21:22.267 --> 00:21:23.287 That's how we learned. 00:21:23.287 --> 00:21:38.227 So we're going back to the basics, the true basics of having that conversation and we're scaling it, and we're giving the user this one-on-one time with this dynamic knowledge base that they can use when it suits them. 00:21:38.377 --> 00:21:42.697 They don't have to set an appointment, they don't have to call in at a certain time. 00:21:43.027 --> 00:21:46.567 Um, but all that information is there when they need it. 00:21:48.397 --> 00:21:56.317 jethro_1_07-23-2025_101746: Yeah, I just, I love what you're talking about DC because that's exactly where I want to get to, where the support is there. 00:21:57.292 --> 00:22:01.792 But the human still remains in in the conversation. 00:22:02.092 --> 00:22:12.652 Now you talked about going into the math class and saying, I really don't get this, and one of the real problems we have with students is that they. 00:22:13.417 --> 00:22:15.457 They don't articulate that. 00:22:15.757 --> 00:22:18.187 They act out with poor behavior. 00:22:18.397 --> 00:22:26.557 And, and that's typically how we find out that kids are struggling in school, is that they have poor behavior to start. 00:22:27.967 --> 00:22:38.467 Now, if someone cannot articulate that they're struggling with math, this is an area where maybe that, that phone call the teacher makes can help communicate that. 00:22:38.737 --> 00:22:42.337 Maybe not, but if there's a way for them to. 00:22:43.192 --> 00:23:06.112 Be able to get the help that they need, uh, without acting out behaviorally, then that would be ideal because that then lets everybody focus on learning and not focus on dealing with these negative behaviors that crop up when kids are doing things that to get out of the work or to avoid the difficult work. 00:23:06.117 --> 00:23:11.542 And, and this is a really important thing to all teachers and school leaders because. 00:23:12.517 --> 00:23:20.887 That's usually what happens is that it becomes a behavior issue, especially if the kid can't communicate effectively what's really going on. 00:23:20.887 --> 00:23:31.522 And this is, this is a huge problem in education that if we can find the solution to it will be, uh, it'll be a lifesaver for everybody, the kids, the adults, everybody involved in the process. 00:23:33.587 --> 00:23:42.072 derek-crager---practical-ai_1_07-23-2025_131818: I agreed a hundred percent teachers, gosh, put in 12 hour days for a seven hour class today, and, uh, they're doing work before, during, and after. 00:23:42.847 --> 00:23:46.687 And you would think it translates into a one-on-one time with a student. 00:23:46.927 --> 00:23:56.527 But, uh, I think on one of your episodes, uh, uh, saying I think, uh, Alaska has like five different state tests and they're on different platforms. 00:23:56.527 --> 00:24:01.898 So, uh, so much time we teach to the test just out of, you know. 00:24:02.662 --> 00:24:07.942 We're, we're kind of offhand as force uh, that we don't have time to actually teach. 00:24:07.942 --> 00:24:23.692 So, um, yeah, absolutely is, uh, with a, with a conversational, uh, tone, um, we can iterate back and forth through conversation much quicker than an email or, uh, records or maybe I make a phone call. 00:24:23.692 --> 00:24:27.112 And are these records correct or do you have more records about this student? 00:24:27.592 --> 00:24:31.157 And, um, there's, you know, there's students with parents. 00:24:31.807 --> 00:24:33.217 There's students without parents. 00:24:33.217 --> 00:24:36.547 There's students that, uh, have, uh, helicopter parents. 00:24:36.547 --> 00:24:41.137 There's those, uh, students with, uh, parents that, uh, work all the time. 00:24:41.137 --> 00:24:46.597 So we, we have no idea what the student, support system is back home. 00:24:46.957 --> 00:24:59.437 And, uh, absolutely if, uh, we need to work and offer every possible avenue of communication, um, because those, uh, sometimes we just need to be heard. 00:24:59.437 --> 00:25:00.397 And I, I point to. 00:25:00.892 --> 00:25:08.182 You know, Maslow's hierarchy, you know, it, uh, um, we have certain needs that need to be met before we can even exist. 00:25:08.182 --> 00:25:16.792 And I believe that, uh, um, being heard is, is a very strong need in, in human civilization as an individual. 00:25:17.032 --> 00:25:23.422 And if we're just heard that dispels and deflates and depressurizes, a lot of those volatile situations. 00:25:25.577 --> 00:25:32.062 jethro_1_07-23-2025_101746: It, it definitely doesn't, and people need to be heard no matter what, and a lot of times. 00:25:32.392 --> 00:25:41.212 Kids in schools seek to be heard by their behavior when the other things they're trying to do aren't working or they don't have the capacity to do that. 00:25:41.212 --> 00:25:45.322 So, um, this has been, this has been a great conversation. 00:25:45.322 --> 00:25:50.752 How can people, uh, get connected with you and with what you're doing with practical ai? 00:25:51.562 --> 00:25:52.222 derek-crager---practical-ai_1_07-23-2025_131818: Oh, certainly. 00:25:52.222 --> 00:26:02.662 So I have, uh, a nonprofit side, uh, it's called AI for Autistics, all spelled out AI for autistics.com that tells about a community that we build. 00:26:03.052 --> 00:26:07.792 Um, autistics have the, uh, the lowest employment rate we, we may have touched on earlier. 00:26:07.792 --> 00:26:10.797 So we guide and we teach on how to use, uh. 00:26:11.527 --> 00:26:13.357 AI to build software. 00:26:13.507 --> 00:26:16.537 And I know that came up in, in your conversation last week too. 00:26:16.807 --> 00:26:22.117 Um, and, uh, I think you said you use repli to build, but there's several other ones out there. 00:26:22.117 --> 00:26:29.227 So, uh, this a great tool for, uh, for those analytical, lean minded, which a lot of us fall into. 00:26:29.587 --> 00:26:33.067 Um, so we teach 'em how to build things, and that's a no cost. 00:26:33.067 --> 00:26:34.777 It just, it just is there. 00:26:35.167 --> 00:26:39.067 Um, on the for-profit side, the bigger realm of practical ai. 00:26:39.502 --> 00:26:40.522 Uh, app. 00:26:40.702 --> 00:26:45.532 So just like it sounds phonetically practical, AI apps, apple pair, pair. 00:26:45.922 --> 00:26:54.562 And if you, uh, find my name on LinkedIn, please reach out, say hello and I'd love to connect and, and help uh, everyone in your audience. 00:26:56.272 --> 00:26:56.562 jethro_1_07-23-2025_101746: Yeah. 00:26:56.577 --> 00:26:57.117 Very good. 00:26:57.117 --> 00:27:03.447 Well, this has been awesome and I know we just barely scratched the surface, so thank you so much for taking the time to chat with me today. 00:27:03.447 --> 00:27:05.697 And, uh, please, everybody go check out. 00:27:05.907 --> 00:27:11.217 Practical AI app, uh, or uh, AI for autistics.com. 00:27:11.577 --> 00:27:14.787 Thanks again so much, Stacy, for being part of Transformative Principal. 00:27:15.802 --> 00:27:17.722 derek-crager---practical-ai_1_07-23-2025_131818: Well thank you and uh, thank you for having me here. 00:27:17.727 --> 00:27:18.277 Have a great day.