1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,320 Melissa Denyce: So I was laying in my bed. 2 00:00:01,340 --> 00:00:02,870 I was fully awake. 3 00:00:03,230 --> 00:00:07,539 I was fully alive as far as I'm aware and my eyes 4 00:00:07,539 --> 00:00:11,359 were closed and suddenly I was in another dimension. 5 00:00:11,359 --> 00:00:16,929 And this dimension was made entirely of an infinite ocean 6 00:00:16,969 --> 00:00:19,629 of overwhelming love and bliss 7 00:00:24,790 --> 00:00:27,790 Rod Bland: My guest today is Melissa Denise, the 8 00:00:27,810 --> 00:00:31,060 creator of the YouTube channel Love Covered Life. 9 00:00:31,110 --> 00:00:32,210 Melissa, welcome. 10 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:33,520 And thanks for coming on the show. 11 00:00:34,315 --> 00:00:35,985 Melissa Denyce: Thank you so much for having me. 12 00:00:35,985 --> 00:00:37,665 I'm excited to be here and have this 13 00:00:37,665 --> 00:00:38,925 conversation with you. 14 00:00:39,255 --> 00:00:39,555 Rod Bland: Great. 15 00:00:39,565 --> 00:00:42,365 It's, I'm very honored that you said yes to have this 16 00:00:42,365 --> 00:00:45,705 conversation, actually, because um, you know, when 17 00:00:45,875 --> 00:00:49,485 I started this channel back in March of 2023, and it was 18 00:00:49,505 --> 00:00:51,855 one, your channel was one of the ones that inspired me. 19 00:00:51,885 --> 00:00:53,505 There's a few that I found inspiration 20 00:00:53,505 --> 00:00:54,445 from that was yours. 21 00:00:54,975 --> 00:00:57,705 And, uh, I mentioned before the JeffMara 22 00:00:57,725 --> 00:01:01,395 podcast and of course Alex from Next Level Soul. 23 00:01:01,395 --> 00:01:03,455 So I really appreciate you for doing what you're 24 00:01:03,455 --> 00:01:07,525 doing because I felt like, okay, Melissa is 25 00:01:07,535 --> 00:01:08,985 not a movie producer. 26 00:01:08,985 --> 00:01:11,555 She's not, uh, you know, she hasn't been in the movies 27 00:01:11,555 --> 00:01:14,265 like what Alex has, and you've kind of, you know, started 28 00:01:14,265 --> 00:01:15,445 from scratch where you are. 29 00:01:15,445 --> 00:01:17,345 And I felt like what you were doing with your 30 00:01:17,345 --> 00:01:18,285 channel was something that. 31 00:01:18,660 --> 00:01:21,270 is achievable, still really good, but achievable 32 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:22,310 for the everyday person. 33 00:01:22,310 --> 00:01:24,420 So that, that, that helped me get going. 34 00:01:25,805 --> 00:01:27,745 Melissa Denyce: Oh, thank you so much for saying that. 35 00:01:27,745 --> 00:01:30,725 I love to hear that feedback because you're correct. 36 00:01:30,825 --> 00:01:33,575 I don't, I still don't have a clue what I'm doing. 37 00:01:33,655 --> 00:01:33,985 So. 38 00:01:35,510 --> 00:01:35,900 Rod Bland: Yeah. 39 00:01:35,900 --> 00:01:38,080 It's um, I think sometimes you just got to stay in 40 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,395 something for long enough to become successful. 41 00:01:41,395 --> 00:01:45,701 You don't always have to be like the best of the best. 42 00:01:45,701 --> 00:01:47,645 A lot of success is just sticking in there. 43 00:01:48,425 --> 00:01:51,885 So how about we start with what your life was like before 44 00:01:52,325 --> 00:01:55,875 you had your, shall we say, spiritual transformation? 45 00:01:57,730 --> 00:01:59,280 Melissa Denyce: Okay, yes, wonderful. 46 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:03,010 So, feel free to stop me or redirect or anything 47 00:02:03,340 --> 00:02:08,340 , but I was born with pre birth memories, which I 48 00:02:08,340 --> 00:02:11,080 did not understand what they were at the time. 49 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,650 I didn't know what a pre birth memory was or that people 50 00:02:13,650 --> 00:02:18,370 could have them, but I just had this memory of divine 51 00:02:18,390 --> 00:02:20,070 bliss that I was born with. 52 00:02:20,110 --> 00:02:24,300 And so that sort of, um, started my life off 53 00:02:24,300 --> 00:02:25,730 in a certain direction. 54 00:02:25,740 --> 00:02:28,340 From the very beginning, I was very. 55 00:02:28,630 --> 00:02:33,270 interested in spiritual things and kind of a little bit 56 00:02:33,270 --> 00:02:37,110 obsessed with how I'm going to experience this divine 57 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,240 bliss again, and what do I have to do to feel that again? 58 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,580 And I was born into the Christian faith. 59 00:02:43,930 --> 00:02:46,650 I was born into a really strict branch 60 00:02:46,650 --> 00:02:47,740 of the Christian faith, 61 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:51,425 which now would probably be considered a cult. 62 00:02:52,245 --> 00:02:57,715 And so I was taught a very opposite thing about God 63 00:02:57,725 --> 00:03:00,805 and the spiritual realm than what I remembered. 64 00:03:02,145 --> 00:03:06,605 And as a young child, I couldn't really differentiate 65 00:03:06,615 --> 00:03:07,685 those two things. 66 00:03:08,335 --> 00:03:12,175 So I 100 percent swallowed everything that I was taught. 67 00:03:12,215 --> 00:03:15,805 And I was a very, very sincere Christian for 68 00:03:15,805 --> 00:03:20,515 almost Well, yeah, about 30 years, 29 years of my life. 69 00:03:21,045 --> 00:03:24,105 And some of the things that I was taught were very 70 00:03:24,105 --> 00:03:27,125 depressing to me and caused me to have some mental 71 00:03:27,125 --> 00:03:29,385 health issues as a teenager. 72 00:03:29,525 --> 00:03:31,805 Oh, for most of my childhood and my teenage 73 00:03:31,805 --> 00:03:33,375 years, I was depressed. 74 00:03:33,765 --> 00:03:37,575 I became suicidal as a teenager and. 75 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:42,920 I just kept, um, kind of pushing forward to try to 76 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:44,620 find the spiritual connection. 77 00:03:44,950 --> 00:03:48,710 And so on the one hand, I had this like ongoing relationship 78 00:03:48,750 --> 00:03:51,650 with this being that I remembered from my pre birth 79 00:03:51,690 --> 00:03:57,165 memories that was very loving, very understanding, very. 80 00:03:57,405 --> 00:04:02,125 forgiving, um, always directing me to forgive 81 00:04:02,125 --> 00:04:04,605 the people in my life and to be more loving 82 00:04:04,605 --> 00:04:05,815 and more open minded. 83 00:04:06,065 --> 00:04:09,095 And then on the other hand, I was taught that this being 84 00:04:09,115 --> 00:04:12,495 that we called God was, had created most of the world's 85 00:04:12,495 --> 00:04:15,455 population just to throw them into hell and burn them 86 00:04:15,455 --> 00:04:17,075 alive for all of eternity. 87 00:04:17,075 --> 00:04:19,965 So I, it was kind of hard to reconcile these. 88 00:04:20,035 --> 00:04:20,425 things. 89 00:04:20,815 --> 00:04:23,275 And it caused me a lot of mental turmoil. 90 00:04:23,275 --> 00:04:28,185 And so I spent a lot of my time desperately seeking 91 00:04:28,185 --> 00:04:31,715 divine bliss, seeking to have a divine experience. 92 00:04:31,735 --> 00:04:34,295 As we said in the Christian faith, trying 93 00:04:34,295 --> 00:04:35,895 to feel God's presence. 94 00:04:35,905 --> 00:04:39,005 I want to feel and experience God's presence. 95 00:04:39,355 --> 00:04:41,535 And I did a lot of crazy things trying to 96 00:04:41,545 --> 00:04:42,765 stimulate an experience. 97 00:04:44,035 --> 00:04:46,505 I would go out in crazy weather. 98 00:04:46,835 --> 00:04:49,775 I would go out late at night by myself and just like 99 00:04:49,775 --> 00:04:52,645 walk around when it's zero degrees outside thinking 100 00:04:52,645 --> 00:04:56,655 if I can have an extreme enough thing is going to 101 00:04:56,725 --> 00:04:57,965 stimulate something 102 00:04:58,065 --> 00:04:59,555 Rod Bland: say crazy weather, do you mean like 103 00:04:59,565 --> 00:05:01,395 thunderstorms, lightning, that kind of thing? 104 00:05:03,005 --> 00:05:04,515 Melissa Denyce: Yeah, I went out in blizzards. 105 00:05:04,515 --> 00:05:06,765 I was out in thunderstorms all the time. 106 00:05:08,255 --> 00:05:11,455 And so I, I would go out by myself and walk around the 107 00:05:11,455 --> 00:05:15,385 neighborhood, just hoping if I go around this corner, the 108 00:05:15,385 --> 00:05:17,785 light is going to be there and I'm going to have this 109 00:05:17,855 --> 00:05:20,045 crazy supernatural experience. 110 00:05:20,045 --> 00:05:22,455 I was a crazy teenager. 111 00:05:22,475 --> 00:05:25,125 The thing, things that we do when we're young, um, 112 00:05:25,125 --> 00:05:26,625 but nothing ever happened. 113 00:05:26,635 --> 00:05:27,065 And. 114 00:05:27,735 --> 00:05:32,885 I, I, I just remember becoming more and more depressed and 115 00:05:32,885 --> 00:05:35,795 then I would pray every night begging for an experience, 116 00:05:35,825 --> 00:05:38,385 please give me some kind of experience, because I 117 00:05:38,385 --> 00:05:41,585 knew if I could feel that bliss again that all of my 118 00:05:41,615 --> 00:05:44,475 earthly pain would just be wiped away in an instant. 119 00:05:44,785 --> 00:05:48,985 So that's what led up to me having, finally having 120 00:05:48,995 --> 00:05:50,475 the out of body experience. 121 00:05:50,985 --> 00:05:52,575 Rod Bland: Right, so you had an out of body experience. 122 00:05:52,595 --> 00:05:53,395 This is interesting. 123 00:05:53,395 --> 00:05:56,115 So what actually precipitated, so that was 124 00:05:56,115 --> 00:05:57,505 around about 2930, I guess. 125 00:05:57,505 --> 00:05:59,265 So tell us about that. 126 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,550 Melissa Denyce: Yeah, actually this happened earlier. 127 00:06:02,550 --> 00:06:04,380 I was 18, 19 when 128 00:06:04,475 --> 00:06:05,015 Rod Bland: Oh, okay. 129 00:06:06,150 --> 00:06:11,390 Melissa Denyce: Yep, so I was in my bed praying my normal 130 00:06:11,390 --> 00:06:15,780 prayer, begging to have an experience of divine bliss and 131 00:06:16,980 --> 00:06:19,700 I cannot explain why it happened that night 132 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,660 when I had prayed the same thing for years and 133 00:06:22,660 --> 00:06:23,780 nothing ever happened. 134 00:06:24,660 --> 00:06:26,790 But I, so I was laying in my bed. 135 00:06:26,810 --> 00:06:28,340 I was fully awake. 136 00:06:28,700 --> 00:06:33,010 I was fully alive as far as I'm aware and my eyes 137 00:06:33,010 --> 00:06:36,830 were closed and suddenly I was in another dimension. 138 00:06:37,230 --> 00:06:40,170 So there's two phases to this experience. 139 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,570 In the first phase, I still perceived myself to be 140 00:06:43,590 --> 00:06:45,490 in my bedroom on my bed. 141 00:06:46,135 --> 00:06:48,415 But it was like I was in another dimension and 142 00:06:48,415 --> 00:06:53,125 this dimension was made entirely of an infinite 143 00:06:53,175 --> 00:06:58,045 ocean of overwhelming love and bliss that was also a 144 00:06:58,045 --> 00:07:02,365 presence and I immediately recognized it from my pre 145 00:07:02,365 --> 00:07:05,455 birth memories as the being that I had been taught to 146 00:07:05,455 --> 00:07:07,415 call God in my earthly life. 147 00:07:08,515 --> 00:07:14,765 And this presented itself to me as like this force field of 148 00:07:14,775 --> 00:07:19,205 love and the love was washing over me in waves from my feet 149 00:07:19,625 --> 00:07:25,565 to my head and it was also in like washing in waves inside 150 00:07:25,565 --> 00:07:30,185 of me and it was wiping away all of my depression and all 151 00:07:30,185 --> 00:07:35,470 of the pain connected to my earthly life and I remember 152 00:07:35,550 --> 00:07:39,800 saying to it, where have you been my entire life? 153 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,760 I have been looking for you my entire life and 154 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:44,460 you are finally here. 155 00:07:45,070 --> 00:07:48,450 And I felt like I was being held in my mother's 156 00:07:48,450 --> 00:07:50,090 arms like a newborn baby. 157 00:07:50,300 --> 00:07:53,220 Like, no, like I was held in my father's arms and 158 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:56,620 comforted in my mother's womb. 159 00:07:56,660 --> 00:08:00,010 So there was definitely a masculine and a feminine 160 00:08:00,030 --> 00:08:01,590 element to this presence. 161 00:08:01,980 --> 00:08:06,060 And I remember thinking it feels like the love, all the 162 00:08:06,060 --> 00:08:09,140 loves that we can experience in this lifetime, all wrapped 163 00:08:09,140 --> 00:08:13,250 into one, like brother, sister, friend, mother, 164 00:08:13,300 --> 00:08:18,920 father, son, daughter, lover, everything, pets, everything. 165 00:08:19,555 --> 00:08:22,495 All wrapped into one and multiplied by a million. 166 00:08:22,955 --> 00:08:26,895 And this is where words really fail me because there 167 00:08:26,895 --> 00:08:30,445 are no words to describe what this felt like because 168 00:08:30,445 --> 00:08:33,535 we don't even have those feelings in this world. 169 00:08:34,465 --> 00:08:39,975 If I could describe it, it would be Love, safety, 170 00:08:39,985 --> 00:08:44,485 security, peace, joy, bliss, beyond what we 171 00:08:44,485 --> 00:08:46,225 can ever experience here. 172 00:08:46,795 --> 00:08:51,085 And I felt like, like, I realized that the things 173 00:08:51,085 --> 00:08:53,325 that I had been taught in the church were completely 174 00:08:53,325 --> 00:08:56,435 wrong and that it is completely impossible for 175 00:08:56,435 --> 00:08:58,475 anybody to be eternally lost. 176 00:08:58,565 --> 00:09:02,525 It's just unthinkable because that's how safe and 177 00:09:02,525 --> 00:09:04,235 secure and loved we are. 178 00:09:05,560 --> 00:09:09,700 So, I'm not sure how long I experienced this. 179 00:09:09,740 --> 00:09:13,070 I remember feeling like I, I'm just gonna stay here forever, 180 00:09:13,070 --> 00:09:14,460 I'm never gonna leave, 181 00:09:14,585 --> 00:09:15,295 Rod Bland: not going back. 182 00:09:15,350 --> 00:09:16,530 Melissa Denyce: go back to my life. 183 00:09:17,350 --> 00:09:18,180 That's right. 184 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:20,890 Um, but time was different there, 185 00:09:20,930 --> 00:09:25,370 so I'm not sure how long or if there even was a length of 186 00:09:25,370 --> 00:09:26,730 time that I was in that place. 187 00:09:27,050 --> 00:09:30,090 But at some point, I began to... 188 00:09:30,895 --> 00:09:31,315 expand. 189 00:09:31,315 --> 00:09:35,205 My consciousness began to expand out of my body 190 00:09:35,205 --> 00:09:38,485 and out of the physical realm, and I found myself 191 00:09:38,685 --> 00:09:40,325 somewhere above the earth. 192 00:09:40,925 --> 00:09:43,145 I, I've since put language to it. 193 00:09:43,195 --> 00:09:46,505 Um, a lot of near death experiencers have called this 194 00:09:47,155 --> 00:09:51,265 an experience of ultimate knowledge, and that's what 195 00:09:51,285 --> 00:09:52,485 began to happen to me. 196 00:09:52,515 --> 00:09:56,730 I became aware that I had access to all the information 197 00:09:56,730 --> 00:09:59,010 that was available in our universe and that 198 00:09:59,010 --> 00:10:01,290 I could know anything that I wanted to know. 199 00:10:01,790 --> 00:10:04,030 So I began asking questions. 200 00:10:05,260 --> 00:10:09,090 As soon as I would formulate a question in my mind, I 201 00:10:09,090 --> 00:10:13,200 would receive a massive download of information that 202 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:17,420 would Not only answer that question, but show how the 203 00:10:17,420 --> 00:10:20,570 answer to that question fit together with everything 204 00:10:20,570 --> 00:10:21,750 else in the universe. 205 00:10:22,150 --> 00:10:25,210 And I know that sounds impossible, but that 206 00:10:25,210 --> 00:10:26,140 is what happened. 207 00:10:26,350 --> 00:10:28,570 And as soon as I would get that download, it would 208 00:10:28,570 --> 00:10:29,920 stimulate more questions. 209 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,220 And I would ask like five, 10 more questions 210 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,835 and I would get a massive download and response to 211 00:10:36,875 --> 00:10:38,305 each of those questions. 212 00:10:39,215 --> 00:10:41,935 And this was happening like at the speed of light. 213 00:10:42,405 --> 00:10:46,275 So on the one hand, it's like I'm asking questions 214 00:10:46,275 --> 00:10:48,735 and I'm getting this massive download and it's like 215 00:10:48,755 --> 00:10:52,295 I'm expanding like this because as I'm, as this 216 00:10:52,305 --> 00:10:55,685 information is coming into my consciousness, I'm expanding 217 00:10:55,705 --> 00:10:56,965 so that I can contain it. 218 00:10:58,645 --> 00:11:01,745 And it felt like I was expanding through 219 00:11:01,755 --> 00:11:02,965 dimensional awareness. 220 00:11:03,730 --> 00:11:07,180 So I remember expanding through several 221 00:11:07,190 --> 00:11:08,740 dimensions of awareness. 222 00:11:08,740 --> 00:11:11,480 And every time I would expand up into a new 223 00:11:11,500 --> 00:11:14,690 dimension, there would be this feeling of, like, 224 00:11:14,700 --> 00:11:17,720 release, of freedom and bliss. 225 00:11:17,860 --> 00:11:21,730 Like, I would feel so much more expanded and there 226 00:11:22,055 --> 00:11:25,505 So much more information available to me, and I 227 00:11:25,505 --> 00:11:28,725 would see things from such a higher perspective that 228 00:11:28,725 --> 00:11:32,385 I kept having this epiphany like, oh yeah, I knew 229 00:11:32,385 --> 00:11:34,245 that, oh yeah, I knew that. 230 00:11:34,485 --> 00:11:36,715 How could I not understand that before? 231 00:11:36,725 --> 00:11:39,975 But it made so much more sense the more expanded I got. 232 00:11:41,125 --> 00:11:45,795 When I got to the top, there was um, This moment 233 00:11:46,085 --> 00:11:49,575 where I saw that what what I called the key to 234 00:11:49,575 --> 00:11:51,745 life like why are we here? 235 00:11:51,755 --> 00:11:53,765 What are we doing here on this planet? 236 00:11:53,765 --> 00:11:57,935 And and I saw why we have to go through all the suffering 237 00:11:57,935 --> 00:12:02,845 that we do and I saw the answer and from that Extremely 238 00:12:02,855 --> 00:12:04,165 expanded perspective. 239 00:12:04,235 --> 00:12:08,325 It was so simple that I laughed and I said, how 240 00:12:08,325 --> 00:12:12,620 do we not know that down there like We make things so 241 00:12:12,620 --> 00:12:15,610 complicated and this whole time it's been so simple. 242 00:12:16,345 --> 00:12:19,205 But I wasn't able to remember what it was because from 243 00:12:19,205 --> 00:12:22,175 this perspective, it's way too much information 244 00:12:22,195 --> 00:12:24,075 to fit into our minds. 245 00:12:24,105 --> 00:12:25,665 And I know that doesn't make sense. 246 00:12:25,665 --> 00:12:28,425 Like, from way up here, it was so simple, but from 247 00:12:28,425 --> 00:12:31,625 way down here, it's so complex that it's impossible 248 00:12:31,625 --> 00:12:32,905 for us to understand. 249 00:12:33,615 --> 00:12:38,085 Um, so on the one hand, um, I expanded extremely fast. 250 00:12:38,095 --> 00:12:41,555 I saw the key to life, and then I began to contract back 251 00:12:41,555 --> 00:12:43,475 into my con into my body. 252 00:12:43,825 --> 00:12:47,115 But on the other hand, I was being given all these 253 00:12:47,145 --> 00:12:50,605 downloads and having all these epiphanies and it was like 254 00:12:51,055 --> 00:12:54,135 all of these other things were happening at the same time. 255 00:12:54,905 --> 00:12:57,385 Most of those things I was not allowed to remember 256 00:12:57,385 --> 00:13:00,525 but there's two things I saw that I can remember. 257 00:13:00,635 --> 00:13:02,045 Do you want me to share those? 258 00:13:02,295 --> 00:13:03,285 Rod Bland: Yeah, I'm fascinated. 259 00:13:04,915 --> 00:13:07,485 Melissa Denyce: Okay, so the first thing I saw that I 260 00:13:07,495 --> 00:13:11,495 do remember is when I first expanded out of my body. 261 00:13:11,515 --> 00:13:17,515 It was like waking up into this realm of brilliant light. 262 00:13:18,415 --> 00:13:22,085 And what I called my angels, many people would 263 00:13:22,085 --> 00:13:24,635 probably call them guides, were there with me. 264 00:13:24,635 --> 00:13:27,095 These beings were surrounding me and they 265 00:13:27,095 --> 00:13:28,395 had a message for me. 266 00:13:29,015 --> 00:13:31,495 Because I had been raised in the church and taught that 267 00:13:31,495 --> 00:13:35,725 most people were dying and going to hell, and I had also 268 00:13:35,735 --> 00:13:39,705 had all of these layers of guilt and shame programmed 269 00:13:39,715 --> 00:13:44,225 into me, um, because we were taught about sin, and how we 270 00:13:44,225 --> 00:13:46,915 all had to confess our sins, and if we missed anything 271 00:13:46,915 --> 00:13:49,495 we could die and wake up in hell, so there's all these 272 00:13:49,495 --> 00:13:52,935 layers of guilt and fear that were programmed into me. 273 00:13:53,390 --> 00:13:56,180 And so what they said is, there's nothing for 274 00:13:56,180 --> 00:13:57,670 you to feel guilty for. 275 00:13:57,770 --> 00:14:00,240 There's nothing for you to feel ashamed of. 276 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,470 There's nothing for you to be afraid of. 277 00:14:02,740 --> 00:14:05,140 There is no judgment awaiting you. 278 00:14:05,430 --> 00:14:08,630 Your life is proceeding exactly as it is supposed to. 279 00:14:08,910 --> 00:14:12,800 You are doing exactly what you were supposed to be doing. 280 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:17,405 We are so, so proud of you and we are So supporting 281 00:14:17,405 --> 00:14:19,895 you and there is no way that you can mess this up. 282 00:14:21,075 --> 00:14:23,745 We know how difficult this is for you, but you're 283 00:14:23,745 --> 00:14:25,915 doing exactly what you're supposed to be doing. 284 00:14:25,935 --> 00:14:28,575 So there's, there's nothing to worry about. 285 00:14:28,795 --> 00:14:31,965 You have to go back and complete the job and we'll 286 00:14:31,965 --> 00:14:34,525 be with you every step of the way, supporting 287 00:14:34,525 --> 00:14:35,845 you and cheering you on. 288 00:14:36,625 --> 00:14:39,875 And I looked down at the earth and I saw that the entire 289 00:14:39,935 --> 00:14:43,645 earth is made of brilliant light, the same brilliant 290 00:14:43,655 --> 00:14:45,175 light that was in that place. 291 00:14:45,625 --> 00:14:49,835 And I saw that the light is the presence of what we 292 00:14:49,835 --> 00:14:53,035 call God, Source, Creator, whatever word people 293 00:14:53,035 --> 00:14:53,955 are comfortable with. 294 00:14:55,105 --> 00:14:56,585 We're all made up of that. 295 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,860 And we can't get away from it, even if we try. 296 00:14:59,910 --> 00:15:03,320 So that's why the idea of somebody being eternally lost 297 00:15:03,390 --> 00:15:06,820 is unthinkable, because how can you be lost from what 298 00:15:06,830 --> 00:15:09,020 you literally are made of? 299 00:15:09,570 --> 00:15:13,610 And I saw that from that higher perspective. 300 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,610 Down here, humans are stumbling around like 301 00:15:17,620 --> 00:15:20,790 toddlers learning to walk, and that's what our mistakes 302 00:15:20,830 --> 00:15:23,460 are like to God or to Source. 303 00:15:23,510 --> 00:15:25,460 It's like a toddler learning to walk. 304 00:15:25,470 --> 00:15:28,800 Why would you judge a toddler for tripping and falling? 305 00:15:29,070 --> 00:15:32,190 Everything is understood because we're at a very 306 00:15:32,190 --> 00:15:36,340 limited perspective here, so everything is understood. 307 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,900 Everything that the plan encompasses. 308 00:15:39,470 --> 00:15:41,530 anything that we could possibly do. 309 00:15:42,150 --> 00:15:44,920 And there's nothing that we could do to be lost 310 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,190 or to make God mad or disappointed or surprised. 311 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,360 We are just so eternally held and loved. 312 00:15:51,910 --> 00:15:53,710 So that was the first thing that I saw. 313 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,020 And the second thing I saw was when I was much more 314 00:15:58,030 --> 00:16:02,550 expanded, when I was expanded as far as I could, I looked 315 00:16:02,580 --> 00:16:06,930 down and I saw, now this is really cheesy, but I 316 00:16:06,930 --> 00:16:08,640 was a Christian teenager. 317 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,780 And so we were always talking about the plan 318 00:16:11,780 --> 00:16:13,160 of God for our lives. 319 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,010 And so the words I was given is this is the 320 00:16:16,010 --> 00:16:18,170 cosmic master plan of God. 321 00:16:18,540 --> 00:16:21,700 And I looked down and I saw this beautiful 322 00:16:21,700 --> 00:16:25,430 multidimensional living pattern that was full 323 00:16:25,430 --> 00:16:28,450 of colors and math and geometry and music. 324 00:16:29,605 --> 00:16:33,205 On the one side of the pattern it looked like one 325 00:16:33,205 --> 00:16:36,345 of those rugs they used to make where it's like all a 326 00:16:36,345 --> 00:16:40,105 mess on the one side on the back but on the other side 327 00:16:40,105 --> 00:16:41,485 it's a beautiful pattern. 328 00:16:41,915 --> 00:16:47,105 So I was shown that from our perspective here with all the 329 00:16:47,115 --> 00:16:51,215 pain and the mistakes and the suffering and things that we 330 00:16:51,215 --> 00:16:53,935 go through right down here it looks like it's a mess 331 00:16:55,105 --> 00:16:59,170 but on the other side of the pattern is this absolutely 332 00:16:59,450 --> 00:17:04,470 beautiful multidimensional plan that is alive, and 333 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:09,180 it contains the life paths of all sentient beings. 334 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:15,250 And within that plan, it is so large that it allows for 335 00:17:15,250 --> 00:17:18,870 us to have free will and to make choices that seemingly 336 00:17:19,110 --> 00:17:23,560 lead away from the light, lead away from love, but 337 00:17:23,610 --> 00:17:28,615 everything is contained within the plan, which is perfection. 338 00:17:28,705 --> 00:17:30,635 It is absolute perfection. 339 00:17:31,365 --> 00:17:35,455 And so even when we make a choice that seems to lead 340 00:17:35,455 --> 00:17:38,395 away from that perfection, it is contained within that 341 00:17:38,395 --> 00:17:40,975 perfection and it's impossible to get away from it. 342 00:17:41,905 --> 00:17:43,725 So that's the second thing I saw. 343 00:17:44,255 --> 00:17:47,525 Um, then I saw the, uh, the key to life, 344 00:17:47,525 --> 00:17:48,725 which I can't remember. 345 00:17:48,835 --> 00:17:54,575 And then I began contracting back into my body and it felt 346 00:17:54,585 --> 00:17:57,575 like I knew I was going back in, I knew I was going to 347 00:17:57,575 --> 00:17:59,075 forget most of what I saw. 348 00:17:59,385 --> 00:18:02,215 I understood that it's because it couldn't fit 349 00:18:02,285 --> 00:18:07,105 into my physical brain and I felt the information falling 350 00:18:07,135 --> 00:18:11,805 out of my consciousness like air leaving a balloon. 351 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,880 And I, another thing that I remember very clearly at 352 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:17,250 that point is the music. 353 00:18:17,910 --> 00:18:21,050 Every part of my experience was music. 354 00:18:21,060 --> 00:18:24,450 It's like the experience itself was music because when 355 00:18:24,450 --> 00:18:27,700 you're on the other side, everything is connected. 356 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:33,050 So math and music and geometry and all the feelings like 357 00:18:33,050 --> 00:18:35,910 the love and the bliss, it's all the same thing. 358 00:18:36,300 --> 00:18:39,710 And so everything was music, and I heard this 359 00:18:40,495 --> 00:18:43,045 beautiful music the entire time I was there, but 360 00:18:43,045 --> 00:18:46,595 I specifically remember noticing it when I was coming 361 00:18:46,605 --> 00:18:50,255 back into my body and it felt like my consciousness 362 00:18:50,265 --> 00:18:53,015 was floating back into my body on the music. 363 00:18:53,495 --> 00:18:57,625 Then I came back in and I had the first moment of 364 00:18:57,625 --> 00:19:01,985 my mind coming back online and saying, Wait a minute. 365 00:19:01,995 --> 00:19:03,805 What just happened to me? 366 00:19:03,825 --> 00:19:06,335 Because when the experience is happening, it seems 367 00:19:06,335 --> 00:19:08,235 like the most normal thing in the world, and 368 00:19:08,235 --> 00:19:09,375 you don't question it. 369 00:19:09,375 --> 00:19:10,755 You're just present with it. 370 00:19:11,155 --> 00:19:14,305 But then when my brain came back online, I was shocked. 371 00:19:14,305 --> 00:19:16,765 Like, what just happened to me? 372 00:19:18,185 --> 00:19:19,525 And I felt the love. 373 00:19:20,225 --> 00:19:23,805 That magnetic, loving presence stayed with me until 374 00:19:23,805 --> 00:19:25,075 I fell asleep that night. 375 00:19:25,755 --> 00:19:28,765 It was gone when I woke up in the morning, much to my 376 00:19:28,765 --> 00:19:32,565 disappointment, but I did still feel this, like, glow 377 00:19:32,565 --> 00:19:36,195 around me for the next couple of days, and then eventually 378 00:19:36,195 --> 00:19:37,805 that faded away as well. 379 00:19:38,185 --> 00:19:40,855 So that's what I remember of that experience. 380 00:19:41,710 --> 00:19:43,960 Rod Bland: Wow, so I've got, I've got a 381 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:45,920 few questions for you. 382 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:51,460 Um, so when you're saying how when your, your consciousness 383 00:19:51,460 --> 00:19:55,300 expanded and then a lot of, God, that must be so 384 00:19:55,300 --> 00:19:58,340 tantalizing to have that, like the key to everything, knowing 385 00:19:58,340 --> 00:20:00,640 that you were showing that, but then not actually being 386 00:20:00,770 --> 00:20:02,480 able to remember it later. 387 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,030 I guess there was some reason for that. 388 00:20:04,030 --> 00:20:06,940 Yeah. 389 00:20:07,015 --> 00:20:09,545 Melissa Denyce: it's so frustrating, but I know the 390 00:20:09,545 --> 00:20:13,995 reason, the reason is because it wouldn't make sense from 391 00:20:13,995 --> 00:20:17,015 this perspective, because in order to get to that, I 392 00:20:17,015 --> 00:20:21,925 had to expand so much and I had to understand so many 393 00:20:21,935 --> 00:20:25,535 things that, that science just doesn't even know about 394 00:20:25,535 --> 00:20:26,885 yet, if that makes sense. 395 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:28,250 Rod Bland: Yeah. 396 00:20:28,250 --> 00:20:30,170 That's a hard one to wrap your head around, but 397 00:20:30,170 --> 00:20:33,150 it does actually make sense if you think of. 398 00:20:33,690 --> 00:20:35,570 I've heard our brains described as really like 399 00:20:35,570 --> 00:20:37,250 a reducing mechanism. 400 00:20:37,260 --> 00:20:38,660 So, memory etc. 401 00:20:38,660 --> 00:20:40,920 is not actually contained in our brains, it's just 402 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:42,800 a filter for what's there. 403 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,750 So, from that perspective it does make sense to me 404 00:20:45,750 --> 00:20:48,770 that you would acquire all of this information and be 405 00:20:48,770 --> 00:20:50,730 able to process it at that time, but then you come back 406 00:20:50,730 --> 00:20:53,390 into the body, everything's sort of hooked to these very 407 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,570 minimal set of filters that you've got to, that's what 408 00:20:55,570 --> 00:20:56,510 you've got to work with. 409 00:20:56,550 --> 00:20:59,360 And unless you can separate your consciousness 410 00:20:59,360 --> 00:21:00,500 from that, then... 411 00:21:01,135 --> 00:21:03,005 You know, it makes sense that you can only do 412 00:21:03,005 --> 00:21:05,845 what you can do with what your brain can handle. 413 00:21:06,555 --> 00:21:09,565 And I suppose the other thing is that it would kind 414 00:21:09,565 --> 00:21:11,125 of defeat the purpose of coming here, wouldn't it? 415 00:21:11,155 --> 00:21:13,845 If we, if we knew all that, knew everything 416 00:21:13,845 --> 00:21:16,765 we could possibly know before coming here, we 417 00:21:16,765 --> 00:21:18,295 wouldn't learn anything while we're here, right? 418 00:21:19,270 --> 00:21:20,750 Melissa Denyce: Yeah, I think you're absolutely 419 00:21:20,750 --> 00:21:21,650 right about that. 420 00:21:21,650 --> 00:21:26,330 It would, it would mess up our game, so to speak, because I 421 00:21:26,360 --> 00:21:30,860 think a lot of the purpose in being here is to experience 422 00:21:30,870 --> 00:21:33,400 things that we can't experience on the other side, 423 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:38,520 like limitation, um, what it feels like to be a separate 424 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,770 being and be put in all of these challenging scenarios. 425 00:21:41,770 --> 00:21:45,130 And if we knew all the answers, then it would 426 00:21:45,130 --> 00:21:46,310 defeat the whole purpose. 427 00:21:46,910 --> 00:21:48,770 Rod Bland: Yeah, it seems like the more I read about this, 428 00:21:48,770 --> 00:21:53,990 it seems like this is, it's the essential part of our 429 00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:57,470 life experience that actually helps us grow, like as a, 430 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,390 as a being, as a, as a soul. 431 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,440 That's, that's actually the part that makes us grow 432 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,370 and if we, we don't have exposure to these trials and 433 00:22:05,370 --> 00:22:08,400 tribulations and challenges, then we're kind of just 434 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:09,290 cruising along, right? 435 00:22:12,420 --> 00:22:13,260 Melissa Denyce: absolutely. 436 00:22:13,290 --> 00:22:16,810 I've found that in my own life, I'm constantly being 437 00:22:17,700 --> 00:22:21,820 flipped into, let's say I have like a judgmental 438 00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:23,380 thought towards somebody, 439 00:22:23,430 --> 00:22:26,990 maybe not even like in a harsh way, but just like not 440 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,000 understanding why someone's behaving in a certain way. 441 00:22:30,590 --> 00:22:33,410 A few months down the road, I'll find myself in 442 00:22:33,410 --> 00:22:37,250 that situation, reacting exactly as they were. 443 00:22:37,530 --> 00:22:39,840 And then it's like, I'm just getting all of this 444 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:44,250 hands on experience on what it is like to be in all of 445 00:22:44,260 --> 00:22:48,650 these different situations so that I can learn how to 446 00:22:48,660 --> 00:22:52,860 have compassion for people who are different than me 447 00:22:52,900 --> 00:22:56,400 or who respond differently than I think that I would. 448 00:22:56,730 --> 00:22:58,990 Then I often find out that's not the case. 449 00:22:59,145 --> 00:23:01,655 Rod Bland: So after you had your out of body experience, 450 00:23:01,795 --> 00:23:03,855 that's really spiritually transforming what occurred 451 00:23:03,855 --> 00:23:08,045 to you then, how did you then integrate that into, you know, 452 00:23:08,045 --> 00:23:10,195 your religious upbringing and what you'd, what you'd 453 00:23:10,195 --> 00:23:11,995 learned from your religion up to that point in time? 454 00:23:14,120 --> 00:23:15,040 Melissa Denyce: Great question. 455 00:23:15,060 --> 00:23:18,890 It took me another 10 years to fully integrate it. 456 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:23,220 At the time, I was still very much immersed in 457 00:23:23,220 --> 00:23:24,630 the Christian faith. 458 00:23:26,360 --> 00:23:30,870 It did prompt me to leave the childhood church that 459 00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:34,530 I had been attending for 19 years, the one that 460 00:23:34,530 --> 00:23:38,590 was really suppressive and cult like, and to find 461 00:23:38,620 --> 00:23:44,910 a much more open minded, compassionate, church setting. 462 00:23:45,580 --> 00:23:50,495 But really, the, the big thing that it, that it 463 00:23:50,495 --> 00:23:54,115 caused me to do is to become an even more avid seeker 464 00:23:54,115 --> 00:23:55,525 of spiritual experiences. 465 00:23:56,005 --> 00:23:59,595 Because my initial thought in my teenage brain at the time 466 00:23:59,595 --> 00:24:04,255 was, wow, I finally had this experience of divine bliss. 467 00:24:04,295 --> 00:24:05,725 I know it's possible. 468 00:24:06,075 --> 00:24:08,405 I've experienced it again, and now all I 469 00:24:08,405 --> 00:24:09,835 want is to have more. 470 00:24:10,975 --> 00:24:14,935 So my entire goal in life became, how am I going to have 471 00:24:14,935 --> 00:24:16,605 more spiritual experiences? 472 00:24:17,015 --> 00:24:20,625 So I began chasing them even more than I had before. 473 00:24:20,895 --> 00:24:24,800 I joined this charismatic non denominational church that 474 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,770 was all about like all the the gifts of the spirit and 475 00:24:28,780 --> 00:24:32,070 having divine experiences and all these things and and 476 00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:35,580 so I really chased that for a long time but I never had 477 00:24:36,530 --> 00:24:40,180 anything as profound as my out of body experience had been. 478 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:45,090 So after several years I began to feel really disillusioned 479 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,510 with the whole thing and I actually shut down my 480 00:24:48,630 --> 00:24:51,250 non spiritual connection for the first time in my 481 00:24:51,250 --> 00:24:55,230 life and became more almost more of a materialist. 482 00:24:55,230 --> 00:24:57,420 I still believed in God. 483 00:24:57,420 --> 00:25:00,830 I still considered myself a Christian, but I thought it's, 484 00:25:00,870 --> 00:25:04,760 it's, this whole thing is, it's not getting me anywhere. 485 00:25:04,770 --> 00:25:09,300 It must be really impossible to experience those divine 486 00:25:09,300 --> 00:25:10,790 experiences like I want to. 487 00:25:10,790 --> 00:25:13,995 And I kind of just, At that point, I thought, oh, that 488 00:25:14,015 --> 00:25:16,965 out of body experience I had, it must have been demonic. 489 00:25:17,465 --> 00:25:22,075 Um, and I just put the whole thing behind me and, uh, 490 00:25:22,365 --> 00:25:26,225 went into a really dark, dark period of my life. 491 00:25:26,295 --> 00:25:28,285 When I shut down my spiritual connection, 492 00:25:28,285 --> 00:25:29,705 nothing good came from that. 493 00:25:29,825 --> 00:25:32,585 Um, my husband and I really struggled in our marriage. 494 00:25:32,595 --> 00:25:34,395 We really struggled financially. 495 00:25:34,845 --> 00:25:38,815 Um, we lost our, car, we lost our apartment twice 496 00:25:38,855 --> 00:25:41,385 and things just kept getting worse and worse 497 00:25:41,425 --> 00:25:44,885 and worse until I finally had just had enough of it. 498 00:25:45,905 --> 00:25:50,475 And I finally had been pushed to the place 499 00:25:50,485 --> 00:25:55,255 where I was willing to be more open minded and to 500 00:25:55,255 --> 00:25:58,165 consider options outside of the Christian faith. 501 00:25:59,375 --> 00:26:02,495 I began, I had known for a long time that near 502 00:26:02,495 --> 00:26:04,115 death experience stories. 503 00:26:04,555 --> 00:26:08,295 existed because I had run across them online earlier 504 00:26:08,295 --> 00:26:10,735 in my life, but I had intentionally stayed away 505 00:26:10,735 --> 00:26:14,935 from them thinking that's not, that's not Christian, 506 00:26:14,935 --> 00:26:17,695 that's demonic, that's going to be a bad thing for me to 507 00:26:17,705 --> 00:26:21,165 get into because I knew as soon as I started reading them 508 00:26:21,165 --> 00:26:22,645 there would be no going back. 509 00:26:23,285 --> 00:26:26,365 Well, I was in such a dark place in my life that I 510 00:26:26,365 --> 00:26:30,085 decided I didn't care and I started reading them anyway. 511 00:26:31,485 --> 00:26:35,195 And that's when my life changed because I began 512 00:26:35,195 --> 00:26:38,165 reading all the stories of people who had had similar 513 00:26:38,215 --> 00:26:42,235 experiences to me and I was finally at a place in my life 514 00:26:42,235 --> 00:26:46,090 where I could just accept what I new to be true, like this 515 00:26:46,130 --> 00:26:49,110 deeper truth that I had known from my pre birth memories 516 00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:54,250 and my experience, my own out of body experience, which is 517 00:26:54,260 --> 00:27:01,460 that the truth is much more wonderful than what we've been 518 00:27:01,460 --> 00:27:03,280 led to believe in religion. 519 00:27:03,290 --> 00:27:06,960 The truth is that God, or Source, or whatever word 520 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,780 you're comfortable with, is unconditional love. 521 00:27:12,050 --> 00:27:16,690 And it's the love that is so powerful and so magnetic 522 00:27:16,690 --> 00:27:19,690 that it can encompass all of our mistakes. 523 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,940 And there's nothing to be afraid of. 524 00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:25,600 We're here to live our lives, to have certain experiences 525 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,410 because we chose to, and there's absolutely no judgment 526 00:27:29,630 --> 00:27:31,300 in anything that we do here. 527 00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:35,730 And when I was finally able to accept that, I could integrate 528 00:27:35,740 --> 00:27:37,640 the experiences that I've had. 529 00:27:38,050 --> 00:27:41,010 And that started a whole process of deconstructing 530 00:27:41,030 --> 00:27:45,500 from my Christian faith, which lasted several years, but 531 00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:47,120 that's a whole other story. 532 00:27:47,915 --> 00:27:48,915 Rod Bland: What I'm getting, cause I've 533 00:27:48,915 --> 00:27:49,945 got four kids, right? 534 00:27:49,955 --> 00:27:52,885 So what I'm getting from this is it's, you know, I 535 00:27:53,185 --> 00:27:57,105 like what you said before about how You're a cosmic, 536 00:27:57,285 --> 00:27:58,385 was it a cosmic toddler? 537 00:27:58,415 --> 00:27:59,305 Was that the term that you 538 00:27:59,935 --> 00:28:00,385 use? 539 00:28:01,005 --> 00:28:02,405 I've heard one of my other guests use that 540 00:28:02,415 --> 00:28:04,965 term as well, but it, it makes a lot of sense. 541 00:28:04,965 --> 00:28:08,695 And it's a perspective as a parent that is a good one to 542 00:28:08,695 --> 00:28:10,955 have is like, well, they're just, they're just little, 543 00:28:11,185 --> 00:28:12,515 they've only just started. 544 00:28:12,535 --> 00:28:15,685 And I think sometimes we can get caught up in 545 00:28:15,685 --> 00:28:17,915 expecting them to sort of be a certain way. 546 00:28:18,785 --> 00:28:21,285 And, um, yeah, it's just made me think about. 547 00:28:22,145 --> 00:28:25,095 Perhaps being somewhat less judgmental and accepting 548 00:28:25,095 --> 00:28:26,785 the fact that they're just learning as they 549 00:28:26,785 --> 00:28:28,555 go and they're going to stumble and fall and make 550 00:28:28,555 --> 00:28:29,825 mistakes and that's okay. 551 00:28:31,085 --> 00:28:33,125 Melissa Denyce: yeah, what I was shown in my 552 00:28:33,385 --> 00:28:38,735 experience is actually, it actually felt more like a 553 00:28:38,775 --> 00:28:41,835 grandparent's relationship with their grandkids. 554 00:28:41,905 --> 00:28:45,785 Like, oh yeah, you've made a mistake, you did something 555 00:28:45,785 --> 00:28:47,265 that you're not supposed to. 556 00:28:47,265 --> 00:28:51,730 And I hesitate to say this almost because Some of the 557 00:28:51,740 --> 00:28:55,130 things that humans can do to each other can be pretty 558 00:28:55,210 --> 00:28:58,360 horrible, and I don't want to downplay that or make 559 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,650 it sound like there's no consequences for your actions. 560 00:29:01,650 --> 00:29:03,500 You can just go do whatever you want. 561 00:29:04,490 --> 00:29:07,180 That's not what I'm saying at all, but from that 562 00:29:07,220 --> 00:29:10,680 higher perspective, that really is the feeling 563 00:29:10,690 --> 00:29:12,250 that I got and what I saw. 564 00:29:12,290 --> 00:29:16,240 It was like just a grandfather chuckling at his grandkids 565 00:29:16,270 --> 00:29:19,220 getting into trouble and understanding that they're 566 00:29:19,340 --> 00:29:21,750 just two years old and they'll grow out of it. 567 00:29:21,785 --> 00:29:23,435 Rod Bland: It's a good analogy because the grandparents 568 00:29:23,435 --> 00:29:25,855 are the ones that don't seem to hold a grudge. 569 00:29:25,895 --> 00:29:28,445 Like parents, parents, if you're in trouble with 570 00:29:28,445 --> 00:29:29,795 your parents, you know, you're really in trouble. 571 00:29:29,795 --> 00:29:31,205 But if you do something with the grandparents, 572 00:29:31,205 --> 00:29:32,975 yeah, you're pretty much going to get off the hook 573 00:29:33,165 --> 00:29:34,635 pretty quick with that. 574 00:29:37,795 --> 00:29:43,005 So I'm interested in when you were conscious of your, uh, 575 00:29:43,025 --> 00:29:46,345 pre birth memories, like, was it from as far back as you 576 00:29:46,345 --> 00:29:49,315 can remember, like from being an infant or did they sort 577 00:29:49,315 --> 00:29:50,565 of come online at some point? 578 00:29:51,575 --> 00:29:52,935 Melissa Denyce: Yeah, there's a couple of them. 579 00:29:54,060 --> 00:29:57,440 That I've remembered since I was an infant. 580 00:29:57,950 --> 00:30:01,140 There's others that have come back to me with time, 581 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,280 and I remember no I remember remembering them when I 582 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,790 was very young, and then I forgot and suppressed 583 00:30:07,870 --> 00:30:09,130 them as I grew older. 584 00:30:09,670 --> 00:30:13,230 I didn't understand that they were pre birth memories until 585 00:30:13,230 --> 00:30:16,550 I discovered the near death experience community, and 586 00:30:16,950 --> 00:30:19,760 learned that other people had pre birth memories, and then 587 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,305 that's when I understood that I had had pre birth memories. 588 00:30:23,615 --> 00:30:26,495 Rod Bland: Okay, you mentioned that there was this fairly 589 00:30:26,495 --> 00:30:30,225 long period from when you had your, so you had your out of 590 00:30:30,285 --> 00:30:33,165 body experience and then you went and then sort of closed 591 00:30:33,165 --> 00:30:36,295 off again and then, and then started to open up again. 592 00:30:36,575 --> 00:30:38,315 Can you tell us a bit more about that period? 593 00:30:38,425 --> 00:30:40,335 Because it sounded like that actually took quite a while 594 00:30:40,335 --> 00:30:42,355 and I think maybe there's something in that process that 595 00:30:42,355 --> 00:30:44,125 you went through that might help other people who have 596 00:30:44,145 --> 00:30:45,555 been in a similar situation. 597 00:30:46,385 --> 00:30:47,625 Melissa Denyce: Yeah, absolutely. 598 00:30:48,805 --> 00:30:51,615 So I had my out of body experience when I was around 599 00:30:51,615 --> 00:31:00,025 the age of 18 or 19, and then from Then, until for 600 00:31:00,025 --> 00:31:04,015 the next three or four years, I was very involved 601 00:31:04,025 --> 00:31:07,135 in the charismatic branch of Christianity and seeking 602 00:31:07,135 --> 00:31:08,555 spiritual experiences. 603 00:31:09,115 --> 00:31:13,075 And I did a lot of the crazy things that I did before 604 00:31:13,095 --> 00:31:16,815 going outside, going out into weather, but I also 605 00:31:16,815 --> 00:31:20,260 combined that with doing church events and whatever 606 00:31:20,510 --> 00:31:23,600 things they had going on at the church, like coming down 607 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,800 to the altar, being involved in conferences, trying to 608 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,450 get the gifts of the Holy Spirit, trying to stimulate 609 00:31:30,490 --> 00:31:33,770 something and nothing. 610 00:31:33,820 --> 00:31:37,990 I mean, I, I experienced something like some feeling of 611 00:31:38,010 --> 00:31:40,180 connection, but nothing crazy. 612 00:31:40,180 --> 00:31:43,420 I never even spoke in tongues, which is pretty standard for 613 00:31:44,020 --> 00:31:45,460 charismatic Christianity. 614 00:31:45,490 --> 00:31:46,920 Everybody speaks in tongues. 615 00:31:47,670 --> 00:31:50,390 And so that was really frustrating for me. 616 00:31:50,830 --> 00:31:54,080 And I could not understand why are these things 617 00:31:54,090 --> 00:31:55,500 not happening to me? 618 00:31:56,695 --> 00:32:00,855 So I shut it down when I met my husband and we moved 619 00:32:00,855 --> 00:32:03,535 across country and I kind of just shut down my spiritual 620 00:32:03,535 --> 00:32:07,665 connection and went into a really dark period of my life. 621 00:32:08,225 --> 00:32:12,015 Um, the thing that might be helpful for people to 622 00:32:12,015 --> 00:32:17,365 understand is I did eventually learn that you cannot 623 00:32:17,515 --> 00:32:22,830 force these experiences by trying to make them happen. 624 00:32:24,290 --> 00:32:29,000 For me, anyway, the way that I've been able to finally 625 00:32:29,010 --> 00:32:35,210 begin to tune into this divine connection in any kind of 626 00:32:35,210 --> 00:32:38,960 lasting or meaningful way is to understand, first of 627 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,780 all, that I am that already. 628 00:32:42,370 --> 00:32:44,430 And I didn't have that understanding 629 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,250 until much later. 630 00:32:47,235 --> 00:32:50,195 As long as I was trying to seek an experience 631 00:32:50,235 --> 00:32:53,045 as if it was something outside of me, nothing 632 00:32:53,045 --> 00:32:55,885 ever happened because I was looking in the wrong place. 633 00:32:56,845 --> 00:32:59,655 The experience is within and it's actually 634 00:32:59,655 --> 00:33:00,905 a part of who I am. 635 00:33:00,905 --> 00:33:03,055 It's actually my own being. 636 00:33:04,075 --> 00:33:07,645 Because like I saw in my out of body experience, we are 637 00:33:07,655 --> 00:33:09,225 all that brilliant light. 638 00:33:09,265 --> 00:33:11,745 We are all that thing that we're seeking. 639 00:33:12,095 --> 00:33:14,645 And I had to understand where to look for it. 640 00:33:15,035 --> 00:33:19,015 So you have to look past the body, past the mind, 641 00:33:19,075 --> 00:33:22,245 past the emotions, into your state of being. 642 00:33:22,695 --> 00:33:27,065 And I started practicing self inquiry meditation. 643 00:33:27,155 --> 00:33:31,515 and understanding that I have to get to the source 644 00:33:31,515 --> 00:33:34,135 of my being, which is simply my presence and the 645 00:33:34,145 --> 00:33:36,145 place in me that says I am. 646 00:33:36,665 --> 00:33:40,295 And that's where you can connect to that bliss and 647 00:33:40,295 --> 00:33:44,135 that love beneath all the layers of everything else 648 00:33:44,145 --> 00:33:45,735 that you think that you are. 649 00:33:46,785 --> 00:33:48,115 So that was the first thing. 650 00:33:48,455 --> 00:33:50,645 And the second thing is understanding 651 00:33:50,655 --> 00:33:54,885 that This connection strengthens naturally 652 00:33:55,085 --> 00:33:57,285 with spiritual expansion. 653 00:33:57,615 --> 00:34:00,575 So if you want to have spiritual experiences, 654 00:34:01,425 --> 00:34:05,755 then focus on spiritual growth and expansion. 655 00:34:06,035 --> 00:34:08,630 And that I mean, there's so much that 656 00:34:08,630 --> 00:34:10,070 we could go into there. 657 00:34:10,430 --> 00:34:12,470 Meditation is really helpful. 658 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:17,020 Um, learning how to accept and flow with life 659 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:18,900 rather than resisting it. 660 00:34:19,210 --> 00:34:24,660 Learning how to tune into this, the frequency is the 661 00:34:24,660 --> 00:34:25,970 best way that I can put it. 662 00:34:26,625 --> 00:34:29,455 the subtler level of our consciousness. 663 00:34:30,135 --> 00:34:33,735 When you do those things, um, then the divine 664 00:34:33,915 --> 00:34:37,975 blissful connection will start to naturally become 665 00:34:37,975 --> 00:34:39,565 more available to you. 666 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:41,810 Rod Bland: I'm fascinated by meditation. 667 00:34:41,810 --> 00:34:43,940 So could you tell us a little bit about your 668 00:34:43,990 --> 00:34:45,030 meditation practice? 669 00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:47,110 I know everybody's kind of has their own one, but 670 00:34:47,250 --> 00:34:49,420 I'm interested in hearing what you do with yours. 671 00:34:50,495 --> 00:34:51,675 Melissa Denyce: Yeah, absolutely. 672 00:34:51,835 --> 00:34:55,095 I will say that I find it really hard to sit down and 673 00:34:55,095 --> 00:34:59,685 meditate for much more than, yeah, you have kids, so 674 00:34:59,905 --> 00:35:03,905 you understand that there's never quiet in the house, 675 00:35:04,485 --> 00:35:07,795 so I often end up being a little more frustrated 676 00:35:07,865 --> 00:35:11,195 when trying to sit down and meditate, so the way that I 677 00:35:11,195 --> 00:35:15,430 practice meditation is As I started doing self inquiry 678 00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:18,420 meditation, even if it's just for a couple minutes a 679 00:35:18,420 --> 00:35:23,640 day, so that I can tune into that sense of beingness. 680 00:35:24,615 --> 00:35:27,485 And rather than trying to sit there for 20 minutes 681 00:35:27,915 --> 00:35:32,785 and meditate when it's just not happening, I've tried to 682 00:35:32,785 --> 00:35:35,995 make it a practice of living. 683 00:35:36,035 --> 00:35:37,825 Like, this is how I live my life. 684 00:35:37,985 --> 00:35:42,925 In any situation that I find myself in, where I feel 685 00:35:43,605 --> 00:35:47,265 stressed, I feel overwhelmed, I feel any kind of emotion, 686 00:35:47,265 --> 00:35:51,825 whether positive or negative, I bring myself back to 687 00:35:51,825 --> 00:35:52,965 that sense of presence. 688 00:35:53,125 --> 00:35:57,685 So I'm constantly practicing self inquiry as I'm going 689 00:35:57,725 --> 00:36:01,185 through my life until it becomes a way of life. 690 00:36:01,525 --> 00:36:06,545 And after doing this, For a couple years, I started 691 00:36:06,585 --> 00:36:11,465 to notice that when I would try to pin down my sense of 692 00:36:11,505 --> 00:36:13,925 self, it wasn't showing up. 693 00:36:14,445 --> 00:36:17,275 When I first started doing self inquiry meditation, I 694 00:36:17,275 --> 00:36:21,845 could find the sense of self where I would say, who is it 695 00:36:21,845 --> 00:36:23,095 that's having this experience? 696 00:36:23,485 --> 00:36:24,215 It's me. 697 00:36:24,295 --> 00:36:25,885 I am having this experience. 698 00:36:25,895 --> 00:36:27,935 And I could pin down that sense of self. 699 00:36:28,195 --> 00:36:32,335 But the more I did this, The harder it became to pin 700 00:36:32,335 --> 00:36:35,035 down that sense of self, and I started to notice 701 00:36:35,765 --> 00:36:38,475 there's something beyond the sense of self that's 702 00:36:38,475 --> 00:36:40,125 waiting to be discovered. 703 00:36:40,545 --> 00:36:45,465 It's before the, the I and I am, and it's 704 00:36:45,465 --> 00:36:47,445 the simple am ness. 705 00:36:47,465 --> 00:36:49,655 It's the simple being ness. 706 00:36:50,975 --> 00:36:56,605 And so I found this whole new dimension of life that 707 00:36:56,615 --> 00:37:01,910 was just existing without identifying as anything, 708 00:37:01,940 --> 00:37:02,870 if that makes sense. 709 00:37:03,780 --> 00:37:08,940 This whole dimension of beingness that contained 710 00:37:08,990 --> 00:37:10,870 everything that was happening. 711 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,640 And when I, and then I started practicing just surrendering 712 00:37:15,650 --> 00:37:20,400 into that beingness and learning how to flow with life 713 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,530 as my guru, as some people say, I don't know if you're 714 00:37:24,530 --> 00:37:27,200 familiar with Aaron Abkey, but that's what he says, that 715 00:37:27,210 --> 00:37:29,945 life is the ultimate guru, 716 00:37:29,945 --> 00:37:33,665 because it will manifest as exactly what you need 717 00:37:33,685 --> 00:37:36,685 in each moment for your highest and best good. 718 00:37:37,085 --> 00:37:40,605 And so then that became my meditation practice to 719 00:37:41,005 --> 00:37:45,285 surrender to the beingness of life and embrace the 720 00:37:45,285 --> 00:37:47,645 divine teacher that life is 721 00:37:47,665 --> 00:37:51,755 and just develop this trusting relationship with whatever is 722 00:37:51,775 --> 00:37:53,355 manifesting in front of me. 723 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,020 that this is for my highest and best good at this time. 724 00:37:57,050 --> 00:38:01,090 And I can just kind of flow with this and fall into this 725 00:38:01,090 --> 00:38:02,570 and let it be what it is. 726 00:38:03,820 --> 00:38:06,070 So that's kind of how my meditation practice 727 00:38:06,070 --> 00:38:09,140 developed through stages over the last few years. 728 00:38:09,900 --> 00:38:10,610 Rod Bland: Yeah, that's really good. 729 00:38:10,610 --> 00:38:11,430 That's helpful for me. 730 00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:15,770 Cause yeah, it's, it's not just having a lot of 731 00:38:15,790 --> 00:38:18,610 activity around because of having children and whatnot. 732 00:38:18,670 --> 00:38:19,800 And, but it's also, 733 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,420 I, from the, when I wake up in the morning, I'm 734 00:38:21,420 --> 00:38:23,970 like, I want to, I want to do stuff and to actually 735 00:38:24,220 --> 00:38:26,340 pause and just sit there. 736 00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:28,360 Ooh, sometimes it's really like, Ooh, I don't 737 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:29,180 want to just sit here. 738 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:31,590 Can't do it. 739 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,330 So that's given me something to, to work with. 740 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,650 Um, and sort of on that topic. 741 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,110 A lot of people who watch this channel have children or have 742 00:38:41,110 --> 00:38:45,720 really busy lives, but they're wanting to get more connected 743 00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:48,070 with this spiritual side of things and perhaps they've 744 00:38:48,070 --> 00:38:49,180 sort of lost touch with that. 745 00:38:49,730 --> 00:38:51,980 Do you think that meditation is like one of the best 746 00:38:51,980 --> 00:38:54,020 ways to do that or do you have any other things that 747 00:38:54,020 --> 00:38:54,980 really work well for you? 748 00:38:56,070 --> 00:38:58,600 Melissa Denyce: I honestly think that there are a lot 749 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,280 of different tools that people can use and they 750 00:39:01,300 --> 00:39:02,960 all lead to the same place. 751 00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:06,680 Meditation is one of my favorites because it helps. 752 00:39:07,105 --> 00:39:11,445 you to connect with the, the subtler reality, like 753 00:39:11,445 --> 00:39:16,265 the subtler frequencies of the spiritual realms. 754 00:39:16,695 --> 00:39:18,825 The more you do it, the easier it gets, and it 755 00:39:18,855 --> 00:39:21,745 allows you to have that deep divine connection 756 00:39:21,745 --> 00:39:22,615 that you're seeking. 757 00:39:23,245 --> 00:39:27,705 Another practice that I've found really helpful is 758 00:39:28,940 --> 00:39:30,580 to just love everything. 759 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,850 So whatever manifests in your life, just make it 760 00:39:34,860 --> 00:39:36,660 your practice to love it. 761 00:39:36,700 --> 00:39:40,260 Every person, every object, every situation. 762 00:39:41,100 --> 00:39:44,230 And that can, I mean, that can be a lifetime 763 00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:45,190 spiritual practice. 764 00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:48,180 If that's all you do, it will really expand 765 00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:49,230 your consciousness. 766 00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:52,865 Another thing is which is really simple, is simply 767 00:39:52,865 --> 00:39:56,985 practicing gratitude, being grateful for everything 768 00:39:56,985 --> 00:39:58,375 that manifests in your life. 769 00:39:58,605 --> 00:40:01,795 I don't think that a spiritual practice has to be like, 770 00:40:02,435 --> 00:40:05,475 take a ton of your time and energy and you don't have to 771 00:40:05,505 --> 00:40:09,245 sit for hours in meditation or go to the Himalayas 772 00:40:09,275 --> 00:40:10,585 or anything like that. 773 00:40:11,965 --> 00:40:14,705 It can often be the most simple things. 774 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,620 that are designed to just change your state 775 00:40:17,620 --> 00:40:18,360 of consciousness. 776 00:40:18,370 --> 00:40:21,930 So just being grateful for everything that manifests 777 00:40:21,930 --> 00:40:24,550 into your life, even the challenging things, finding a 778 00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:27,710 different way to see it that allows you to feel gratitude 779 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:32,620 will start to create those feelings, like create, open up 780 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,040 your awareness and make room for those feelings of bliss 781 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:40,105 and love that everyone is seeking to have in their life. 782 00:40:41,225 --> 00:40:44,635 Um, I think those have been the biggest ones for me. 783 00:40:44,765 --> 00:40:47,385 I know there's, I mean, there's so many spiritual 784 00:40:47,395 --> 00:40:49,875 teachers out there and each one of them has 785 00:40:49,895 --> 00:40:51,835 their own spin on things. 786 00:40:51,845 --> 00:40:54,255 So just finding what works for you and what 787 00:40:54,255 --> 00:40:56,095 resonates with you, I think. 788 00:40:56,410 --> 00:40:57,310 Rod Bland: Yeah, that's useful. 789 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:03,250 so you've had a, at some point you wanted to be Become 790 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,880 a kind of a teacher or to help people find their own 791 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,130 path with obviously with what you do with your channel. 792 00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:11,640 What, do you mind if I ask you what led up to that? 793 00:41:12,060 --> 00:41:14,360 Do you deciding, okay, I'm going to talk to people 794 00:41:14,380 --> 00:41:17,780 about this in a much more public forum and, and this 795 00:41:17,780 --> 00:41:18,670 is how I'm going to do it. 796 00:41:19,950 --> 00:41:21,030 Melissa Denyce: Yeah, of course. 797 00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:26,560 Well, I just did not have anyone to talk to about 798 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,420 my experiences because I told a couple of people. 799 00:41:30,450 --> 00:41:34,780 I told my daughter, who of course believed me, and my 800 00:41:34,780 --> 00:41:37,810 brother, who also believed me. 801 00:41:38,090 --> 00:41:42,850 But aside from that, nobody came, nobody came out 802 00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:46,600 and accused me of lying or being crazy, but I'm 803 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,420 pretty sure that They were thinking one of those two 804 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:50,120 Rod Bland: Yeah. 805 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,980 Melissa Denyce: Nobody believes this stuff. 806 00:41:53,340 --> 00:41:56,310 Nobody knows how to respond or what to think. 807 00:41:56,690 --> 00:41:59,930 And I just got to the point where I needed 808 00:41:59,950 --> 00:42:00,880 to talk about it. 809 00:42:01,970 --> 00:42:06,650 Any artist will say that when they get that 810 00:42:06,670 --> 00:42:10,430 inspiration, it's like they have to create it. 811 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,170 Like whether they're a singer or a writer or an 812 00:42:13,180 --> 00:42:16,480 artist or whatever, it's going to come out of them. 813 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,280 So they have to create it in some way. 814 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:19,470 And that's what it felt like. 815 00:42:19,470 --> 00:42:21,900 It felt like there's this message that's 816 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:22,890 burning within me. 817 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,280 I've had these experiences. 818 00:42:25,020 --> 00:42:26,390 I have to share them. 819 00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:27,890 I have to talk about it. 820 00:42:28,290 --> 00:42:31,390 And so I went to YouTube because I thought there's 821 00:42:31,410 --> 00:42:35,105 got to be Someone out there somewhere who wants to hear 822 00:42:35,105 --> 00:42:38,435 this or who's had a similar experience or who wants to 823 00:42:38,435 --> 00:42:39,875 talk about these things. 824 00:42:40,365 --> 00:42:45,495 And so I recorded a video of my pre birth memories 825 00:42:45,525 --> 00:42:49,435 and put it out there and it was so Scary. 826 00:42:50,435 --> 00:42:52,945 Because I was still involved in the Christian church at 827 00:42:52,945 --> 00:42:57,295 the time and nobody in my life believed me and I was 828 00:42:57,425 --> 00:43:01,035 so afraid of being judged or I'm gonna go to hell 829 00:43:01,035 --> 00:43:04,415 because I'm leading people right away from the church. 830 00:43:04,435 --> 00:43:07,875 But as it turned out, there was a lot of people 831 00:43:07,875 --> 00:43:11,630 who wanted to talk and it took off very quickly and 832 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:13,850 grew into what it is now. 833 00:43:13,890 --> 00:43:18,350 Um, and I think that even in the last 10 years or so, the 834 00:43:18,370 --> 00:43:23,480 interest in these spiritual experiences has grown so much. 835 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,030 There's so many people who are interested, so many 836 00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:30,820 people who've had profound spiritual experiences who 837 00:43:30,830 --> 00:43:34,110 didn't know what to make of them or how to process them. 838 00:43:34,530 --> 00:43:36,860 And, but more and more people are coming out 839 00:43:36,890 --> 00:43:38,040 and sharing their story. 840 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:39,790 It's helping a lot of people. 841 00:43:40,580 --> 00:43:44,160 Rod Bland: Yeah, there's, we've just become a generation 842 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:49,625 of questioners and I think some of that is partially to 843 00:43:49,625 --> 00:43:53,575 do with, I feel like it's sort of started with the pandemic 844 00:43:53,575 --> 00:43:56,425 where we suddenly realized that not everything we're 845 00:43:56,435 --> 00:43:58,335 told is actually, is true. 846 00:43:58,835 --> 00:44:00,915 And people started to think for themselves a lot more. 847 00:44:00,925 --> 00:44:02,845 At least I, that's something I started to think a 848 00:44:02,845 --> 00:44:04,135 lot more for myself. 849 00:44:04,445 --> 00:44:05,965 I just sort of went along and thought, okay, 850 00:44:05,965 --> 00:44:08,135 well, everything they told us is all fine. 851 00:44:08,805 --> 00:44:10,345 buT I like what you said about how. 852 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,060 When the artist gets the inspiration, it's just got to 853 00:44:13,060 --> 00:44:15,440 come out, whether you like, it has to come out some way, 854 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,860 you've got to kind of go with that, and yeah, that, that's, 855 00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:23,070 it's, people often ask me the same question, it's like, 856 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,690 well how did you, what made you start doing this, and, 857 00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,470 and um, there isn't really any good answer, it's just 858 00:44:29,470 --> 00:44:32,330 that while I saw some other NDE videos, I thought that's 859 00:44:32,330 --> 00:44:34,750 exactly what I've got to do, and I wasn't doing anything 860 00:44:34,750 --> 00:44:39,525 like that before, I'd had no, I, I guess I had had a 861 00:44:39,525 --> 00:44:41,775 couple of experiences that, that was sort of in that, 862 00:44:42,075 --> 00:44:45,725 in that sort of realm, but people just thought I was 863 00:44:45,725 --> 00:44:49,135 a bit, bit nutty going down that path, except for my wife. 864 00:44:49,135 --> 00:44:49,985 She thought that's perfect. 865 00:44:50,025 --> 00:44:51,065 That's exactly what you need to do. 866 00:44:52,415 --> 00:44:53,815 And now everybody's kind of used to it. 867 00:44:53,815 --> 00:44:56,645 You know, I'm the guy who asked for a Ouija 868 00:44:56,645 --> 00:44:58,855 board for Christmas and things like that. 869 00:45:01,605 --> 00:45:02,345 Melissa Denyce: Wonderful. 870 00:45:02,345 --> 00:45:05,205 I'm so glad that you put yourself out there 871 00:45:05,205 --> 00:45:07,505 and that people have been accepting of that. 872 00:45:07,525 --> 00:45:07,935 Rod Bland: Yeah. 873 00:45:08,265 --> 00:45:11,275 So what's been the, the, has there been an evolution with 874 00:45:11,325 --> 00:45:13,785 how your family is with you now, given that you've, you've 875 00:45:13,785 --> 00:45:18,765 been, um, sort of out there as far as your spirituality and 876 00:45:18,775 --> 00:45:21,365 the way that you look at the world for quite a while now? 877 00:45:23,715 --> 00:45:26,485 Melissa Denyce: Well, that's a bit of a complicated topic, 878 00:45:26,515 --> 00:45:31,205 and my husband is fine with me saying that he doesn't, 879 00:45:31,435 --> 00:45:33,495 he is extremely supportive. 880 00:45:33,675 --> 00:45:37,545 He doesn't, believe that these spiritual experiences 881 00:45:37,545 --> 00:45:39,615 are like really happening. 882 00:45:40,025 --> 00:45:44,025 Um, he doesn't necessarily agree with my perspective or 883 00:45:44,025 --> 00:45:47,925 that they're real experiences, but he is extremely 884 00:45:47,925 --> 00:45:49,495 supportive of me doing this. 885 00:45:49,535 --> 00:45:52,555 He's fine with me believing whatever I want and 886 00:45:52,555 --> 00:45:53,685 doing whatever I want, 887 00:45:53,705 --> 00:45:55,995 and I'm incredibly blessed to have that. 888 00:45:56,135 --> 00:45:57,505 Rod Bland: a staunch realist. 889 00:45:58,175 --> 00:45:58,665 That's what it sounds like. 890 00:45:59,435 --> 00:46:01,005 Melissa Denyce: and there's nothing wrong with that. 891 00:46:01,015 --> 00:46:02,695 It's not everybody's purpose. 892 00:46:03,265 --> 00:46:04,035 I do have. 893 00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:09,120 Some family members who are very supportive, um, may 894 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:13,210 be in the same boat of not necessarily agreeing with 895 00:46:13,240 --> 00:46:16,220 me on these experiences, but are very supportive 896 00:46:16,220 --> 00:46:19,510 of me and are happy that I've been successful 897 00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:20,780 with my YouTube channel. 898 00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:25,690 Um, and then there's others who are all over the spectrum. 899 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,270 Some of that I don't necessarily talk about 900 00:46:28,270 --> 00:46:32,910 publicly just for privacy's sake for those individuals. 901 00:46:33,255 --> 00:46:34,845 Rod Bland: It's definitely evolving though, isn't it? 902 00:46:34,885 --> 00:46:37,595 Like you're finding that just, I just find just in 903 00:46:37,595 --> 00:46:39,675 the general circle of group of friends or people that 904 00:46:39,675 --> 00:46:42,675 you meet for the first time, it's a lot easier to have a 905 00:46:42,695 --> 00:46:46,835 conversation about things like an out of body experience or, 906 00:46:46,845 --> 00:46:49,135 or a near death experience, or when people ask, or 907 00:46:49,135 --> 00:46:51,265 what do you, what do you kind of do with your life? 908 00:46:51,265 --> 00:46:52,995 And you talk about what you talk to people about 909 00:46:53,015 --> 00:46:57,880 and Their eyebrows still raised, but it's definitely 910 00:46:57,890 --> 00:47:01,010 much more a part of everyday conversation now, isn't it? 911 00:47:01,710 --> 00:47:04,050 Melissa Denyce: It's more widely accepted by the 912 00:47:04,050 --> 00:47:07,170 culture, even, I've noticed things, even like when I 913 00:47:07,170 --> 00:47:11,610 go to the bookstore, back in the day, a lot of this 914 00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:14,860 stuff, like near death experience books, would have 915 00:47:14,860 --> 00:47:16,850 this little tiny section in 916 00:47:16,890 --> 00:47:18,710 Rod Bland: Yeah, it was in the occult section 917 00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:19,470 as well, wasn't it? 918 00:47:19,470 --> 00:47:21,320 Yeah 919 00:47:21,540 --> 00:47:23,410 Melissa Denyce: now there's this massive section and 920 00:47:23,410 --> 00:47:26,640 it's labeled, it might be labeled like, self help or 921 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:30,220 spirituality rather than metaphysical and occult. 922 00:47:30,430 --> 00:47:33,000 Not that there's anything wrong with those words, but, 923 00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:38,080 but yeah, I've seen that become more widely accepted. 924 00:47:39,150 --> 00:47:41,490 Rod Bland: So given what's occurred in your life Melissa 925 00:47:41,540 --> 00:47:43,790 and the things you've gone through, what advice would 926 00:47:43,790 --> 00:47:47,640 you have for the young Melissa, like from, that 927 00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,980 was a teenager going through those really hard times? 928 00:47:52,550 --> 00:47:53,960 Melissa Denyce: That's a good question. 929 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,340 I've never thought about that before. 930 00:47:57,855 --> 00:48:03,605 I think I would tell her to try to relax. 931 00:48:04,155 --> 00:48:10,185 I was very stressed, very high strung, depressed, unhappy. 932 00:48:10,875 --> 00:48:14,555 I would have told her what you're going through right 933 00:48:14,555 --> 00:48:18,345 now is really difficult, but it doesn't have to be. 934 00:48:18,655 --> 00:48:22,605 Just try to trust that this is all leading somewhere 935 00:48:22,945 --> 00:48:23,995 really, really good. 936 00:48:24,375 --> 00:48:27,335 Actually, another thing that I would have told myself, I 937 00:48:27,335 --> 00:48:29,565 would tell myself, although I don't know if I would have 938 00:48:29,565 --> 00:48:32,765 been able to understand or accept it at the time is that 939 00:48:33,205 --> 00:48:35,145 you're creating your reality. 940 00:48:35,145 --> 00:48:38,355 Like you're creating this darkness that you're stuck in 941 00:48:38,635 --> 00:48:40,245 and there's no guilt in that. 942 00:48:40,295 --> 00:48:43,625 It's part of the experience that you signed up to have. 943 00:48:44,195 --> 00:48:46,955 But the point is going to be to find your way out of that. 944 00:48:46,965 --> 00:48:52,015 And you are creating in your physical reality, everything 945 00:48:52,015 --> 00:48:54,755 that's manifesting, you're designing your entire 946 00:48:54,755 --> 00:48:57,925 experience based on how you're perceiving your life. 947 00:48:58,515 --> 00:49:01,675 As soon as you can figure that out, as soon as you can 948 00:49:01,675 --> 00:49:07,885 figure out how to create from a place of peace and bliss, 949 00:49:08,015 --> 00:49:10,655 then that's what you'll start experiencing in your life. 950 00:49:12,215 --> 00:49:13,835 Rod Bland: That's a bitter pill to swallow, isn't it? 951 00:49:13,845 --> 00:49:17,015 That one where you've, you have to go, okay, well, if 952 00:49:17,015 --> 00:49:19,495 you've got all these things occurring in your life to 953 00:49:19,495 --> 00:49:24,955 say, well, this is actually really my responsibility and 954 00:49:24,965 --> 00:49:27,815 it's not up to anybody else to fix this because I've 955 00:49:27,835 --> 00:49:29,465 created it in the first place. 956 00:49:29,465 --> 00:49:30,835 Yeah. 957 00:49:31,115 --> 00:49:32,735 Melissa Denyce: Yeah, absolutely. 958 00:49:32,925 --> 00:49:37,775 It can be so hard for people, and it took me 959 00:49:37,775 --> 00:49:39,505 years to finally accept it. 960 00:49:39,735 --> 00:49:42,395 But when I did, I had gotten pushed to the point where 961 00:49:42,395 --> 00:49:47,065 it was almost a relief to think I, I can actually stop 962 00:49:47,065 --> 00:49:48,755 this cycle from repeating. 963 00:49:48,875 --> 00:49:51,495 Like, I'm actually creating this so I can create 964 00:49:51,515 --> 00:49:52,705 something different. 965 00:49:52,715 --> 00:49:53,215 Rod Bland: Yeah. 966 00:49:53,425 --> 00:49:55,155 You now become, you're in a position of 967 00:49:55,155 --> 00:49:56,115 power at that point. 968 00:49:56,715 --> 00:49:59,895 So, I wanted to ask, people are going to have to ask 969 00:49:59,895 --> 00:50:01,885 questions if they want to get in touch with you, or just 970 00:50:01,885 --> 00:50:04,315 tell us everything you've got going on as far as how people 971 00:50:04,315 --> 00:50:06,525 can follow your work and reach out to you if they want to. 972 00:50:07,305 --> 00:50:08,045 Melissa Denyce: Yeah, of course. 973 00:50:08,085 --> 00:50:09,205 Thank you so much. 974 00:50:09,585 --> 00:50:13,355 Um, mostly I'm active on YouTube, Love Covered Life 975 00:50:13,385 --> 00:50:16,495 podcast where I interview other near death and 976 00:50:16,505 --> 00:50:17,915 spiritual experiencers. 977 00:50:18,635 --> 00:50:19,935 I do have a website. 978 00:50:19,955 --> 00:50:20,205 It's lovecoveredlife. 979 00:50:21,395 --> 00:50:26,350 com and I have, uh, Some paintings for sale. 980 00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,440 Right now, I'm still in the process of getting 981 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:29,910 my website switched over. 982 00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,740 So, but within the next month or so, I should have 983 00:50:33,740 --> 00:50:34,620 that straightened out. 984 00:50:35,090 --> 00:50:39,460 I'm also on Instagram and TikTok at melissadenyce, D E 985 00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:44,930 N Y C E, although I don't do as much on those platforms 986 00:50:44,930 --> 00:50:48,560 as I would like to, but um, that's pretty much what I 987 00:50:48,570 --> 00:50:49,810 have going on right now. 988 00:50:49,810 --> 00:50:52,620 I have a couple of other projects in the works, but 989 00:50:53,190 --> 00:50:55,620 it's going to take me some time to roll those out. 990 00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:56,210 So 991 00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:57,560 Rod Bland: excellent. 992 00:50:57,570 --> 00:51:00,040 I'll put some links to those in the show notes for you. 993 00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,630 Do you have any final positive message that you'd 994 00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:05,300 like to leave the viewers with who would, uh, made 995 00:51:05,300 --> 00:51:06,110 it this far in the video? 996 00:51:06,890 --> 00:51:10,430 Melissa Denyce: yes, I, I feel the most important 997 00:51:10,430 --> 00:51:15,670 message that I could share is that it is really important 998 00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:20,940 for us humans living here on this planet to learn 999 00:51:21,010 --> 00:51:22,310 how to love each other. 1000 00:51:22,325 --> 00:51:29,825 The most prominent message that I hear from near death 1001 00:51:29,965 --> 00:51:33,845 experiencers, almost every single person who has a near 1002 00:51:33,845 --> 00:51:37,955 death experience, comes back with this message that love 1003 00:51:37,955 --> 00:51:41,325 is the answer to all the problems we're facing in our 1004 00:51:41,325 --> 00:51:45,125 world and that small acts of love and kindness are the 1005 00:51:45,125 --> 00:51:48,935 most powerful and that we really can change the world. 1006 00:51:49,225 --> 00:51:51,205 by learning to love each other. 1007 00:51:51,925 --> 00:51:55,975 And I think that's something that we don't quite grasp 1008 00:51:55,975 --> 00:51:59,655 here because we think that the world is the way that it is. 1009 00:51:59,655 --> 00:52:01,755 And there's so much cruelty in the world. 1010 00:52:01,755 --> 00:52:04,205 There's so much wrong with the world and 1011 00:52:04,205 --> 00:52:05,205 that's just how it is. 1012 00:52:05,205 --> 00:52:07,135 And there's really nothing we can do about 1013 00:52:07,135 --> 00:52:09,735 it, but that's not true. 1014 00:52:10,085 --> 00:52:12,385 The world is the way it is because we've 1015 00:52:12,475 --> 00:52:13,665 made it that way. 1016 00:52:14,295 --> 00:52:16,235 And we can change that. 1017 00:52:16,355 --> 00:52:19,265 And it really is just a matter of each one of 1018 00:52:19,265 --> 00:52:23,015 us waking up to the fact that we have the power. 1019 00:52:23,775 --> 00:52:26,425 We have the power to choose to love each 1020 00:52:26,425 --> 00:52:27,755 other in each moment. 1021 00:52:28,115 --> 00:52:30,815 And if all of us did that, we could change 1022 00:52:30,815 --> 00:52:31,875 the world overnight. 1023 00:52:32,185 --> 00:52:36,195 It really is possible for us to learn how to live 1024 00:52:36,205 --> 00:52:37,705 in peace and harmony. 1025 00:52:37,875 --> 00:52:41,585 on the earth, but we have to stop accepting that things 1026 00:52:41,585 --> 00:52:43,695 have to be a certain way just because that's the 1027 00:52:43,695 --> 00:52:44,785 way they've always been. 1028 00:52:45,075 --> 00:52:48,505 We have to change our vision, expand our vision, 1029 00:52:48,505 --> 00:52:51,535 and believe that something better is possible. 1030 00:52:51,825 --> 00:52:55,465 And then each one of us simply has to do our part by making 1031 00:52:55,775 --> 00:52:59,435 the most loving decision that we can in each moment. 1032 00:53:00,530 --> 00:53:02,410 And so that's what I would like to share. 1033 00:53:02,410 --> 00:53:05,960 I would just like to encourage people that you have a lot 1034 00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:07,670 more power than you think. 1035 00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:10,580 You don't have to go out and do something massive 1036 00:53:10,580 --> 00:53:11,560 to change the world. 1037 00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:15,850 We just have to choose to love in every situation. 1038 00:53:15,870 --> 00:53:18,550 And if all of us could do that, then we would 1039 00:53:18,550 --> 00:53:21,320 solve the problems of the world because we would be 1040 00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,110 creating from a much higher state of consciousness. 1041 00:53:26,090 --> 00:53:28,470 a different world would manifest for us. 1042 00:53:29,460 --> 00:53:31,740 Rod Bland: Wow, that's a great message. 1043 00:53:31,810 --> 00:53:32,650 That's so good. 1044 00:53:33,130 --> 00:53:35,160 Melissa, it's been my absolute pleasure to 1045 00:53:35,170 --> 00:53:36,060 have you on my channel. 1046 00:53:36,060 --> 00:53:39,140 I really appreciate you taking the time to, uh, 1047 00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:40,380 to have a chat with me. 1048 00:53:40,820 --> 00:53:43,340 And thanks for, very much for being a guest on my show. 1049 00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,370 Melissa Denyce: Thank you so much for having me. 1050 00:53:47,740 --> 00:53:50,250 Thank you so much for the work that you're doing. 1051 00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:53,560 I've really enjoyed talking to you and I've been honored 1052 00:53:53,590 --> 00:53:54,840 to be on your podcast.