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I think one of the other magical
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is that there's an immediate
perceived competence because the

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sweet spot is right off your hand.

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People can find that ball and
serve, rally, and play right away.

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Somebody who doesn't,
never played, can play.

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Right, but you can take that level
really high, you know, which really

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makes it a special sport And we
are all things Padel whitney.

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Welcome to Padel smash academy
Why don't you talk a little bit

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about the club that you have here?

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Well, first of all, thanks for having
me says it's been a pleasure to

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meet you and your wife I appreciate
you coming up from Connecticut and

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joining us here in southern Vermont
in the Wilmington Dover area.

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Um, this has just been something that, uh,
has been a vision of mine for a long time.

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Um, I've been involved in Padal
for about four years here in the U.

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S.

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and been looking like a lot
of people for the right real

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estate, uh, to make it happen.

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It's tricky, as you know, with indoor
to build out new is prohibitive to

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find the right building with the right.

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ceiling clearances and
the pillars, right, etc.

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It's, it's been tricky.

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So, uh, it was a little bit of luck
with my son in law's recent purchase

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of this spectacular boutique inn.

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And I think you guys have
come to see and visit.

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So how did you get into Padel?

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How were you introduced?

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I got introduced to Padel,
um, in Bedford, New York.

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I was living in Westchester
County, working for the USTA

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and playing winter platform.

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A guy said to me, have
you played Padel before?

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I said, you mean what we're doing tonight?

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And I think we've all had that
debate of how to pronounce it.

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He goes, no, no, there's a, there's a
private court with a guy from France

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that has this, do you want to come try?

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And I said, absolutely.

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I hadn't heard anything about it.

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This goes back to probably
2016, almost 10 years ago.

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And sure enough, we went over there
and I was like, well, like a lot of us.

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It wasn't long before I said this may
be the coolest of all the racket sports.

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I was immediately infected.

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And, uh, ironically, the house came
up for sale and the real estate agent

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said, Hey, can you get some eyeballs
on this property by just promoting?

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And so the next thing you know, we
had many club owners and managers and

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people in the industry tasting pedal
for the first time, which then segwayed

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into the indoor court in Orlando at a
rackets conference, a group was invited

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to Barcelona, um, uh, to go over.

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I unfortunately couldn't make that
trip, but I then partnered with

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some fellows that are now either
retired or moved into other.

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Businesses and, um, I've since been
working for a FP out of Barcelona and,

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um, been, uh, championing the cause
and been a passionate advocate for it.

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So, uh, have you played,
uh, any other racket sports?

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Oh, yeah, always.

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I mean, I, uh, whether it be pinging
pong or table tennis to, to platform,

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of course, I've been playing tennis
almost every day of my life since I was.

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Seven years old.

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Um, also pickleball.

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I've been very fond of
that in the last 10 years.

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Excuse me.

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And, uh, so I'm playing them all.

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Great.

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Great.

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Great.

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This is quickly risen to my most.

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Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, I was about to ask
you that so I think it's uh, People who

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play different record sports, I believe
they find when they finally pay Padel

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They're like, this is it forget about
everything else, you know, so how did you

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come up with uh, Putting together this in
and let's talk about that a little bit.

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Uh, what is the official name of this?

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Is it an inn or is it a club or, or?

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Well, it's an inn.

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It's called the Brook Mount Inn.

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And it's a boutique hotel that has
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different choices for your accommodations.

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And when my son-in-Law purchased it this
past summer and invited me over for the

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first time, sure enough, there was a,
a tennis court on the property that had

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the old fashioned interlocking panels.

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Mm-Hmm.

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. And I, right away saw.

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A vision, and that was the conversion
of that slab to a peal, a pickle, and

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we left a little basketball on it.

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We're gonna put a beach
tennis court above it as well.

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So again, the SH mortgage board
of activities that are all cross

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training and develop athletes and all.

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Just fun.

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I mean, positive action
breeds positive action.

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Yeah, so how did you convince your son in
law to put a Padel, uh, court in here?

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He was probably like, what is that?

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Is that like a Padel of a kayak?

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I mean, what is that?

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That's right.

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I mean, he's, he's not, you
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hunter fisherman type.

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So he's not much of a racket sports guy.

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But in the last three years with his,
his being involved with my daughter,

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he, he knew I was in the business.

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He looked over my shoulder.

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He's so handy that I actually
tried to convince him to help

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me with some installations.

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Um, and he was going, Whoa,
uh, this glass is heavy.

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And, you know, the lifts and the
lulls and the open top container.

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So he got involved from
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Early on and saw what was going on.

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I was traveling to Seattle,
to Denver, to Philadelphia, to

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Austin with many, many projects.

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And then I started to feed him
the publicity that was going on.

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As we spoke earlier with eight, with
the New York Yankees buying the TV

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rights for Yes, network to, you know,
the world class athletes that are

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segwaying into whether it be Beckham
or Ronaldo or Serena or whoever.

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I mean, there was a lot was happening.

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We could see the tipping point
of this sport coming to the USA.

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I sat down with Jake and his mom and
And pitched it and they just threw

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up their hands and said, let's do it.

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Let's go.

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So it happened very quickly.

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I mean, I work with world class court
builders throughout the country that

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are our distributors of our courts.

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I have courts and inventory
here in the country and I.

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called a guy in Connecticut and he
rolled it up and within three weeks

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we had that cord up and then have
since done a lot of samplings and get

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the eyeballs and people trying it.

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The taste of Pidal, as you know,
my brother still teases me.

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He goes, you know, I asked a hundred
of my friends, you know, what Pidal

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is and now I'm finding that one or
two do where a year ago none of them.

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Now he runs with a I tease him.

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He needs to run with a hipper
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We all know that it's,
it's, it's a wonderful game.

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Um, there's no turning back.

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This is not some sort of fad or craze.

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It's, uh, All right.

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So, so how, I mean, this is Vermont.

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Okay.

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Like, uh, you guys have the first, uh, uh,
uh, court, you know, to the public, right?

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Uh, I mean, didn't they
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Like nobody knows this sport.

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How, how are you going to, uh, market
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people or educate people about the sport?

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Here in Vermont.

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Well, I work for a private boarding
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It is of an international nature.

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So, our tennis team is comprised
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Brazil and Italy and Argentina.

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So, they were very excited and since
they've come over here and played.

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Um, again, the fact that, Two of my
best court building distributors,

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Cape Island Tennis and Track,
Northeast Pedal, Eric Loftus and the

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Hending Group out of Connecticut.

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They also needed a showcase to
show their clients as they're

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getting all this interest in the
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So we teamed up to say, let's,
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people could come and touch it.

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Taste it, play it, see it.

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It's one thing to look at a
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It's another, as you know,
to come and look at it.

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Architecturally, we'd all agree,
it's the most beautiful racket

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sport structure out there.

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I call it the human
aquarium without the fish.

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Without the water, rather.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So, uh, what amenities do you have here?

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How many courts do you have first?

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Well, here we, again, as many
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With a tennis court, unless you rejigger
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some concrete or asphalt, um, with
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you can get one pedal court and one
pickleball court comfortably on that.

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We were able to do that and
keep a basketball pitch.

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So we're really one and one, which I
felt was the right strategy, as you

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mentioned, in Vermont, because there are
a lot of people playing pickleball here.

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So it's a, they know that sports an easier
sell or pitch to say, Hey, come play

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pickleball here, come stay at the end,
or we have a local membership as well.

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They then come, they get,
they, what's this next, next

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to us, they get a sampling.

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And the next thing you know,
it's, it's crossing over.

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So do you see that happening a lot?

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We do.

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And besides the other
amenities we have here, we.

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We're on 33 acres with hiking trails
and, and, um, snowmobiling trails, but we

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also have one of the largest commercial
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with a 75 foot by 30 foot, 10 foot deep
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adds to the ambience and the, the amenity
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So a big question.

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Um, I mean, I just played with you
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It's a lot slower, you know,
which is great on the back walls.

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Um, so I'm assuming because of
the cold, and we were playing

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in 27 degrees of weather.

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I couldn't believe, and we were playing.

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I mean, I was playing.

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I mean, I just, I couldn't believe it.

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Uh, when I came down here, I was like,
okay, it's gonna be freezing weather.

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Are we gonna be able to play?

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And you know, I get here and you
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It's pretty incredible.

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Um, do you see that?

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And how, I mean, how many,
how many months can you play?

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And do you see you guys, everybody
playing at that temperature?

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Well, it, first of all, people
in Vermont are very hardy.

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I've come to realize that as they are
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and certainly we know how popular
Padal is in Sweden and Norway and all.

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So much like as I go back to
where I learned in Bedford, New

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York, I was playing in, you know,
if there wasn't snow or ice.

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I was playing, um, you
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You could expedited
him a couple weeks ago.

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It was out of play, but
we've had a very warm winter.

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We've had it spiked up to 40 degrees.

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It melted off.

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And again, there's natural
protection with the glass.

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So even in the wind that mitigates it.

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So Much like platform tennis where
people are playing and seven below

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heat, you know, winter temperatures.

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Now, naturally, that's an elevated
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melt the snow and ice this.

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I anticipate back to your question.

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I'll probably be out of
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A year.

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Um, but we played two weeks ago.

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We played two days ago.

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We played today.

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We're probably gonna play tomorrow.

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I mean, right now there's no snow in
the forecast for the next week or so.

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So again.

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Even, by the way, interestingly too, about
this court, or Padel in general, is even

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a light rain you're able to play through.

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Your pickleball, your tennis is done
because the clay is too soft, the asphalt

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is too slippery, but the turf and the sand
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still sure footing and not a slip hazard.

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So, we've had some days where we've played
through a pretty good steady drizzle.

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Yeah, that's true.

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That's definitely true.

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So again, are we going to
someday look at covering it?

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Maybe, uh, but for right now, we'll
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months of play out of these amenities.

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And those other months are because it's
just there's snow, I'm assuming, right?

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Right.

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You, uh, because it's on the
ground, there's, you know,

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you can only do so much.

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You gotta wait it out.

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And that's okay to have a few days off.

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I don't know.

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That's what my visits to Florida are for.

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Yeah, yeah, if you're addicted to
Padel and you can't go to Florida,

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you know, you're going to be like, ah,
watching the World Padel Tour, the

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premier Padel, that's it, you know.

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Obstinacy makes the heart grow fonder.

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You really appreciate the
sport when you can't play.

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And that's, of course, one of the things
that I think is driving the interest,

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too, is just the undersupply of courts
with the demand and the interest

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that's occurring in this country.

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That's why we're all projecting Uh, as
many as 10, 000 courts by 2030, with

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the estimated number now, who really
knows, but the guesstimate is probably

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300 to 350 right now in this country.

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So uh, what type of
court do you guys have?

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What manufacturer is it?

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Uh, our court is manufactured by AFP, um,
all for Pedale out of Barcelona, they have

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a brand new factory and I've been over.

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Uh, seeing the amazing quality controls.

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We're one of the, this happens
to be one of the aluminum courts.

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I believe we're one of only two
companies that offers an aluminum.

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Why aluminum?

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It's a 15 year guarantee.

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It's great for any saline or
close to the ocean type of stuff.

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We do have steel courts that
are galvanized and protected.

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Um, so we, we offer a variety.

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We have the panoramic naturally
for more of an indoor scenario.

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Um, this court has branded Adidas.

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Um, you can choose to have it unbranded.

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So we, we're the only company
licensed with Adidas to brand our

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unbranded Red Sport courts that way.

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So, I like the, having Adidas involved.

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I think it jazzes it up.

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Um, we have a little
pro shop on site here.

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Um, I'm an Adidas player.

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I play pickleball.

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and padel representing the company.

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And when we do a little outings
or tournaments, it's nice to

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have those gift bags and all the
branded, you know, tchotchkes.

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Right, I hear you.

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Okay.

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So who's the coach?

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Are you the coach here?

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Yes, I'm the coach.

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Certified in the padel as well.

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Plethora of other racquet sports and
you offer lessons here as well, right?

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We do, you know, we have Whether it
be group or privates or you know,

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little mini camps You know, we expect
to run the gamut of that type of and

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how much are the lessons per hour?

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The lessons are you know, approximately
over in the hundred dollar an hour range

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for privacy and I know you guys just open
I'm are you guys gonna do be doing some

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clinics or maybe some tournaments leagues?

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Yes.

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Um, we're going to do some kind of like
racket challenge events where again,

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to, to, to mitigate the fact that we
only have one court, we'll do some

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events where you'll play pickleball,
you'll play Fidel and you'll play beach.

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And those results, uh, will all
kind of cumulatively, you know,

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who's the best rackets athlete.

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Um, so we'll have some fun with that.

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One of my favorite things to
do are just simply what I call,

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you know, open play nights where
there'll be a theme of the night.

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I'll, you know, maybe it'll be
the solid glass wall or, or lodge.

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And so we'll do a little tip of the
night, drill that up a little bit, and

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then just rotate people with what, you
know, a maximum encounter round robin

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where everybody plays with everybody,
both sports, um, for a couple of hours.

301
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That's by level, you know,
that'll be, you know, one night

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it'll be intermediate night.

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One night it'll be.

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Beginners another advanced night.

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So people love that, you know, it's as
you saw, it's a great social environment,

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you know, we've got a little barbecue
down there and a fire pit if we need it.

307
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Yeah, I do see that.

308
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It's a paradisiacal spot.

309
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Yeah, yeah, it's great.

310
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So, alright, so let's talk about
a little bit about the inn.

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Um, how many units you have available?

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Um, and what is the cost?

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And are you going to be marketing this
kind of like come down here and play

314
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Padel or racket sport and stay here?

315
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I mean, how is, how is the inn?

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associated with, with, uh,
with a pickle and Padel.

317
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Well, the beautiful thing about Vermont
is it's a four season destination.

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I mean, it's a leaf peeping, you know,
everybody loves to come in here, uh,

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September through the middle of late
October to see the leafs change.

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The colors are spectacular.

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It's a huge equestrian, uh,
horse country in the summer.

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There's a big horse show nearby in
Dorset that pushes about six weeks.

323
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You've got the rivers, the lakes,
the fishing, world class skiing.

324
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We're within 30 minutes of
five ski resorts, Mount Snow,

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Akemo, Magic, Bromley, Stratton.

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Um, so there's something to do.

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hiking all four seasons.

328
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Haystack golf course is
right around the corner.

329
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So there's a lot that come here, weddings.

330
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So there's things that
drive business here already.

331
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So this was an added amenity to
be unique and be a differentiator.

332
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I mean, there are a lot of
choices of places to stay.

333
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We thought by adding an exotic amenity
like Padau, and you know, and pickle,

334
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not every resort has pickleball either.

335
00:16:42,155 --> 00:16:44,395
And nor should they because
of the noise mitigation.

336
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We're lucky here, based on the
footprint of our property, that, as

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you notice, the court is recessed
away from the residential side of

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things, so there is no You know, noise
pollution really coming from that area.

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Um, so back to your question about
the, the nice thing about this

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inn is there's an amazing variety.

341
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We're in the main lodge here
that has eight different suites.

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Um, so the two bedroom suite to
my left here has its own kitchen.

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So two couples could enjoy that.

344
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There's a handicap suite.

345
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Most of them have little kitchenettes,
but then there's common rooms.

346
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We're in the living room.

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There's a TV room, there's a dining
room, there's a communal kitchen.

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So this main lodge has about eight
different choices from anywhere from.

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As little as 195 to maybe 400 if
you take the double suite, depending

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again on seasonal demand, etc.

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Then we have two outbuildings.

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We have the cabin and the carriage house.

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Those are both separate, detached.

354
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Um, they all have charging
stations for electric vehicles.

355
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Uh, the one carriage house
can sleep 10 comfortably.

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Two bath, major kitchen, and
the, the other, uh, outbuilding.

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The, the.

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the cabin about eight comfortably.

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So great place for family reunions.

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We've, we've done some weddings here.

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Um, so it's got a real nice variety.

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We're on 33 acres, you know, hiking
close to both Dover and Wilmington and

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Distratton, as I mentioned, Mount Snow.

364
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So it's a real, uh, a great
destination and you can get here.

365
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I know you drove up Connecticut, but
my goodness, from Jersey, from Boston.

366
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I mean, we're just a short drive
from, um, from a lot of major cities.

367
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So if somebody wanted to play
Padel, how would that work?

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Do you guys, uh, have some type of app
or do they just call and reserve the

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court or is it just something that is
available for people to stay at the end?

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And is it?

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Membership or non membership?

372
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And if there's membership, what does
that include and what are the costs?

373
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Great question.

374
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No, no, it's an easy one.

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So, again, we, we, I, I did team up with
Salix, S A L I X, as our app provider.

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00:19:00,899 --> 00:19:04,559
Um, I really like Rex Robinson
and his, his, his app.

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00:19:04,559 --> 00:19:08,729
He custom, you know, he, he does
this, uh, for other clubs as well,

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but he was able to do a little
customization for us very easily.

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Um, so that's the app.

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So if you stay here at the inn,
your, those amenities are included.

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So you can book, you just go
on the app and you look at the

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schedule of both courts and you're
able to just reserve the court.

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I, in order to provide equal access,
you can book once up to two hours a day.

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And then as soon as you're finished, you
can book again should the courts be open.

385
00:19:35,759 --> 00:19:36,239
Okay.

386
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So that's for the inn, the
people staying in the inn.

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Beyond that, we do sell
an outside membership.

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Historically, this club, before we
took it over, had about 70 local

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members for the swimming pool only.

390
00:19:51,709 --> 00:19:56,679
Well now, we're offering a pool
and Padel pickle membership.

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Either Together or separate.

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You can choose to just if you're not
a rackets player, just join the pool.

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If you want both, you can have both.

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Or if you're not a swimmer
or you have a pool elsewhere.

395
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So we have the three different
membership categories.

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For that, it's annual.

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And of course, the pool is open from
Memorial Day until just after Labor Day.

398
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But the racket sports as we talked
about, it's weather permitting.

399
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You might play today like we did.

400
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Um, and for that, you as a member, like
the models of many Padel centers around

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this country now, As a member, you have
advanced booking, a lot of privileges,

402
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advanced booking privileges, same thing.

403
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You can book 14 days in
advance, two hours in time.

404
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And your fees are reduced by comparison to
someone that might just cold call or come

405
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in and say, Hey, I'm only here for a day.

406
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I'm visiting friends.

407
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:47,949
I'd love to play a fiddle.

408
00:20:48,149 --> 00:20:49,169
Can I book the court?

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Should it be available?

410
00:20:50,489 --> 00:20:51,080
Yes.

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Same thing.

412
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They would reach out or go to the
app and book at a non member rate.

413
00:20:57,419 --> 00:20:59,969
If you're interested in those
rates, I can share them with you.

414
00:21:00,079 --> 00:21:04,090
Yeah, what's a non member rate
versus a Um, the non member rate,

415
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um, we're starting to get out
again, um, at 60 an hour for Vidal.

416
00:21:08,699 --> 00:21:15,480
At 32 an hour for our, our
spectacularly beautiful Pickleball

417
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court and if you're a member and if
you're a member, it's 32 an hour.

418
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:22,070
For, it's almost double right.

419
00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:23,030
And 16.

420
00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:23,899
Okay.

421
00:21:23,899 --> 00:21:25,610
For the, um, pickle, the pickleball.

422
00:21:25,699 --> 00:21:28,639
And so, uh, what is the
annual membership cost?

423
00:21:28,969 --> 00:21:31,639
An annual membership, so for all,
all three things like the Pickle, the

424
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Padel, and then the, um, the pool.

425
00:21:34,129 --> 00:21:36,229
For a family it's 1200.

426
00:21:36,290 --> 00:21:37,760
For a single it's a thousand.

427
00:21:37,939 --> 00:21:38,300
Okay.

428
00:21:38,300 --> 00:21:42,290
And then how about if you just wanted
the, the, the Padel core, you know,

429
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,659
if you just wanted the rackets,
membership rackets membership.

430
00:21:46,010 --> 00:21:49,909
250 for a single and 350 for a couple.

431
00:21:50,330 --> 00:21:50,860
Wow.

432
00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:53,310
So yeah, if you play
Padel, it's worthwhile.

433
00:21:53,310 --> 00:21:55,480
If you play Padel, it means
half the cost, you know?

434
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:56,879
Yeah, that's right.

435
00:21:56,879 --> 00:21:58,919
It's, yeah, half the cost.

436
00:21:58,919 --> 00:22:04,079
And, um, again, and not to mention,
because it's a limited number of

437
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seats, so to speak, in the plane.

438
00:22:07,850 --> 00:22:12,060
When we do these socials, when we
do a Memorial Day, you know, racquet

439
00:22:12,120 --> 00:22:16,860
thon or a barbecue or those open
plays, members will have the first

440
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,860
crack at those 8 or 10 or 12 spots.

441
00:22:21,450 --> 00:22:25,289
And then if those go unsold, then I would
reach out to the, to the non members.

442
00:22:25,330 --> 00:22:26,730
So there's a lot of advantages to it.

443
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,850
So how do people know about these events?

444
00:22:28,850 --> 00:22:29,780
Is that on the app there?

445
00:22:29,830 --> 00:22:30,310
It is.

446
00:22:30,820 --> 00:22:33,740
The app, once you join,
whether you're a member or not.

447
00:22:34,245 --> 00:22:38,205
We can, you know, there's a notice
board, there's email blasts,

448
00:22:38,425 --> 00:22:39,725
there'll be a schedule of events.

449
00:22:39,925 --> 00:22:43,885
And I'm a big believer too, hey,
being a platform tennis guy, I never

450
00:22:43,885 --> 00:22:46,014
was good at calling three friends.

451
00:22:46,014 --> 00:22:47,364
I needed to be programmed.

452
00:22:47,374 --> 00:22:50,684
I needed to know I was in my Tuesday
night and Thursday night league.

453
00:22:50,685 --> 00:22:51,974
And then I was locked and loaded.

454
00:22:51,974 --> 00:22:55,514
And I think there are a lot of racket
players or creatures like that.

455
00:22:55,514 --> 00:23:01,689
So that's why, you know, if you were up
here probably this summer, I would You'd

456
00:23:01,709 --> 00:23:06,729
probably lock in to the Thursday Night
Advanced Men's advanced co ed group.

457
00:23:06,729 --> 00:23:11,090
At least now you know once a week
you're over here for the two hour clip.

458
00:23:11,090 --> 00:23:12,870
And you meet people too,
new people, you know.

459
00:23:13,270 --> 00:23:17,275
Um, okay, so it seems to me like the
best route is kind of like To stay at

460
00:23:17,285 --> 00:23:20,125
stay here, you know, and then you get
access to that to the courts, right?

461
00:23:20,385 --> 00:23:25,774
I think so I mean imagine staying here
for whatever Whatever price we said for

462
00:23:25,774 --> 00:23:30,424
a couple and then you're playing padel as
much as you want or pickle I mean Yeah,

463
00:23:30,545 --> 00:23:33,464
there might be a little bit of other
demand for the court, but there's a lot

464
00:23:33,465 --> 00:23:35,564
of hours in the day So so you're right.

465
00:23:35,635 --> 00:23:36,225
Let's go back.

466
00:23:36,225 --> 00:23:37,205
I know you mentioned before.

467
00:23:37,205 --> 00:23:42,615
So what is um, The cost of of the staying
here, um at let's say a one bedroom

468
00:23:43,639 --> 00:23:45,649
Versus let's say the cottage, right?

469
00:23:45,669 --> 00:23:46,860
The whole, the whole section.

470
00:23:46,959 --> 00:23:50,499
Well, those cot, the cottage, I'm
just going to give you a round

471
00:23:50,499 --> 00:23:54,149
numbers, probably in the four 50 a
night range, because again, it's,

472
00:23:54,219 --> 00:23:55,449
how many people does that hold?

473
00:23:55,590 --> 00:23:59,110
Eight, 10, you know, people, a
family or two small families, right?

474
00:23:59,159 --> 00:23:59,539
Right.

475
00:23:59,659 --> 00:24:04,070
Um, and this, this suite to our left,
which is a double suite with the kitchen.

476
00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:06,399
We just had a two couple stay in there.

477
00:24:06,779 --> 00:24:08,899
That's running around 350 a night.

478
00:24:09,199 --> 00:24:14,629
The other single rooms, the one that
you and your wife potentially might be

479
00:24:14,629 --> 00:24:17,769
staying in tonight, is in the low twos.

480
00:24:18,279 --> 00:24:20,409
Again, they have kitchenettes in them.

481
00:24:20,579 --> 00:24:22,239
It's all modern, as you can tell.

482
00:24:22,239 --> 00:24:25,449
The place is very, very
tastefully appointed.

483
00:24:25,450 --> 00:24:28,749
When I first came here, I thought
I was in Jackson Hole or Aspen.

484
00:24:28,749 --> 00:24:32,879
I mean, the woodwork, the
attention to detail, the moldings.

485
00:24:33,209 --> 00:24:34,189
It's first class.

486
00:24:34,259 --> 00:24:36,840
I mean, this is very unique, very amazing.

487
00:24:36,860 --> 00:24:41,399
Uh, you know, the first, uh,
Padel, uh, court and the public,

488
00:24:41,429 --> 00:24:43,899
uh, Padel court here in Vermont.

489
00:24:43,929 --> 00:24:45,049
It's pretty amazing.

490
00:24:45,050 --> 00:24:48,369
I mean, uh, I had to, I had to, I
had to come down here and I'm so

491
00:24:48,369 --> 00:24:51,889
glad I did, you know, I so appreciate
your initiative in doing it.

492
00:24:51,889 --> 00:24:53,409
And, um, and you're right.

493
00:24:53,429 --> 00:24:59,679
It's, it's a very, it's fun because
again, uh, It's just a great conversation

494
00:24:59,679 --> 00:25:02,780
piece when you bring this up, you
know, first you know this, but on what?

495
00:25:02,830 --> 00:25:04,040
You know, a court in Vermont?

496
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,280
I mean, it's You probably
get that all the time.

497
00:25:06,479 --> 00:25:06,839
Yeah.

498
00:25:07,300 --> 00:25:10,959
It's, uh, it's the, as we spoke
earlier, probably the closest

499
00:25:10,959 --> 00:25:15,659
court from us is either Connecticut
or Philadelphia or Brooklyn.

500
00:25:16,370 --> 00:25:18,040
So it's, it's quite the little spot.

501
00:25:18,429 --> 00:25:18,610
Right.

502
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:22,550
You get a lot of people coming
here from, again, from everywhere.

503
00:25:22,949 --> 00:25:28,090
One of my Plans too, as I just taught,
you know, having been a college coach last

504
00:25:28,090 --> 00:25:32,860
year at Oneonta, um, and having had the
high school team out here, it looks like

505
00:25:32,860 --> 00:25:37,450
I'm going to get union college to come out
Williams college practices in Bennington.

506
00:25:37,969 --> 00:25:40,400
Um, we're, I'm hoping to get Dartmouth.

507
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,069
I mean, there's so many
beautiful schools close by that.

508
00:25:44,069 --> 00:25:47,329
I think their tennis teams, you
know, I've heard of the sport.

509
00:25:47,339 --> 00:25:50,900
They've seen the courts in Orlando
at the USTA national campus.

510
00:25:50,900 --> 00:25:51,480
So it's fun to.

511
00:25:52,399 --> 00:25:55,679
Bring the tennis players over and
have them have a kind of a day here.

512
00:25:55,679 --> 00:25:58,813
They play, they willy nilly around
with some pickleball and have some fun.

513
00:25:58,813 --> 00:26:00,860
So I think, you know, you
might need some more courts.

514
00:26:00,919 --> 00:26:01,300
Yes.

515
00:26:01,310 --> 00:26:05,460
Like, you know, once people get to
know this sport, I mean, one court

516
00:26:05,460 --> 00:26:06,629
is probably not going to be enough.

517
00:26:06,629 --> 00:26:09,610
So, is there any plans in
the future for expanding?

518
00:26:10,389 --> 00:26:11,879
That's always part of the plan.

519
00:26:11,879 --> 00:26:13,740
I mean, the nice thing
is we're not landlocked.

520
00:26:13,740 --> 00:26:15,300
We're on 33 acres here.

521
00:26:15,710 --> 00:26:19,930
So, um, already my son in law
says, Hey, Coach Whitney, when

522
00:26:19,930 --> 00:26:21,100
are we going to cover this thing?

523
00:26:21,100 --> 00:26:24,529
I said, well, glad you're thinking
about, you know, either covering it with

524
00:26:24,529 --> 00:26:26,470
a permanent structure or bubbling it.

525
00:26:27,020 --> 00:26:28,349
Um, we are going to be lighting it.

526
00:26:28,770 --> 00:26:30,440
Um, we already have the fixtures up.

527
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:31,590
We just need to run the line.

528
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:35,110
So that'll be, give us
some more hours in the day.

529
00:26:35,110 --> 00:26:38,680
I mean, it does stay light here in the, in
the summer pretty late, but in the spring

530
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,279
and fall, we'd like to extend the day.

531
00:26:40,790 --> 00:26:46,570
So, um, yeah, let there be, I always
like, uh, people waiting for courts

532
00:26:46,580 --> 00:26:48,030
rather than courts waiting for people.

533
00:26:48,030 --> 00:26:51,950
So once we get to that over
demand, then we'll look at.

534
00:26:52,350 --> 00:26:53,139
The expansion.

535
00:26:53,149 --> 00:26:56,379
So now you said covering it, are you
going to fully cover it or just put

536
00:26:56,379 --> 00:27:01,330
a top on it or, and I doubt it would
increase your play time, you know,

537
00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:02,909
during, during the winter and with snow.

538
00:27:03,159 --> 00:27:03,740
That's right.

539
00:27:04,100 --> 00:27:06,129
I think we're going to look at
all the different, there's so many

540
00:27:06,129 --> 00:27:08,040
configurations and options out there.

541
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,669
I'm not the biggest fan of a bubble.

542
00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:17,329
Um, so I'm leaning more towards, you
know, maybe a structure that is a frame.

543
00:27:17,329 --> 00:27:21,530
So, you know, obviously it's highest over
the net and then maybe the sides can be.

544
00:27:22,044 --> 00:27:25,324
Open or closed, you know,
open during the so now you're

545
00:27:25,324 --> 00:27:26,614
guaranteed even in the summer.

546
00:27:26,614 --> 00:27:27,884
Now you're not in direct sun.

547
00:27:27,884 --> 00:27:30,235
You've got some ventilation going through.

548
00:27:30,235 --> 00:27:32,514
But in the winter, maybe
you can drop some flaps.

549
00:27:32,985 --> 00:27:36,144
As you saw today, once you start moving
around, there's nothing wrong with

550
00:27:36,144 --> 00:27:40,154
playing in 22 degree temperatures, you
know, when I came when I came out the

551
00:27:40,174 --> 00:27:43,935
door, you know, for my car and I was
like, Oh, my God, this is way too cold.

552
00:27:43,935 --> 00:27:45,284
I mean, how are we going to play?

553
00:27:45,864 --> 00:27:47,205
And, you know, I did some stretches.

554
00:27:47,205 --> 00:27:48,894
I got out there once it started moving.

555
00:27:48,895 --> 00:27:49,949
Um, That was it.

556
00:27:50,029 --> 00:27:53,989
Yeah, I mean, matter of fact, by the
end, uh, some of us were in our shorts

557
00:27:53,989 --> 00:27:56,539
and, you know, just you could be normal.

558
00:27:56,729 --> 00:27:58,399
And you see that in platform tennis, too.

559
00:27:58,399 --> 00:27:59,409
I know you're familiar with that.

560
00:27:59,409 --> 00:27:59,789
Yeah.

561
00:27:59,789 --> 00:28:00,120
Yeah.

562
00:28:00,169 --> 00:28:04,310
You'll see guys by the end of the
first set that You know, holy cow.

563
00:28:04,360 --> 00:28:04,749
Yeah.

564
00:28:04,949 --> 00:28:07,689
Yeah, all the clothes are in the
corner, you know, I further had all

565
00:28:07,689 --> 00:28:10,899
the clothing all in a corner You know,
but that has some heat coming up.

566
00:28:10,899 --> 00:28:12,529
So it helps a little bit, right?

567
00:28:12,530 --> 00:28:18,509
Remember that that heat on those courts
is not for the comfort of the players

568
00:28:18,539 --> 00:28:23,969
That's the melt the snow ice and snow
and I would say not all the courts in

569
00:28:23,969 --> 00:28:28,060
this country have that I mean, that's
kind of a It's a feature that a lot

570
00:28:28,060 --> 00:28:31,330
of high end country clubs have, but
you don't find that at every place.

571
00:28:31,340 --> 00:28:35,020
And, uh, so, yeah, it's a little,
it's comfortable a little bit, but

572
00:28:35,020 --> 00:28:35,810
it's really there to melt the ice.

573
00:28:35,820 --> 00:28:37,640
Now, did you maybe think of that?

574
00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:43,519
Maybe putting something in a concrete, you
know, some heat just to get the snow out?

575
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,599
Um, briefly, and we've dealt,
you know, I know that we did the

576
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:48,899
project for the Philadelphia Cricket
Club's four beautiful courts.

577
00:28:48,900 --> 00:28:55,489
And they investigated that idea and then
backed off too and said, Um, we'll just

578
00:28:55,739 --> 00:28:56,759
be out of business a couple of years.

579
00:28:56,769 --> 00:28:57,429
Yeah, yeah.

580
00:28:57,610 --> 00:28:59,169
Part of the cost too might not make sense.

581
00:28:59,189 --> 00:29:02,559
Yeah, and we're still, we were
having trouble even discovering

582
00:29:02,569 --> 00:29:05,659
in our research even any clubs
even in Europe that had that.

583
00:29:06,139 --> 00:29:09,389
Because we were just, you know, again,
you're dealing with turf and sand and

584
00:29:10,389 --> 00:29:16,459
we just wondered how that moisture,
that sogginess, how that would work out.

585
00:29:16,459 --> 00:29:20,969
And, you know, probably have to have
pretty interesting French drains

586
00:29:20,969 --> 00:29:22,729
or pitch and drainage to really.

587
00:29:23,274 --> 00:29:24,195
Have that work.

588
00:29:24,195 --> 00:29:27,635
And so the risk reward was
just too much to embark upon.

589
00:29:27,645 --> 00:29:33,084
So, so how's the, um, how are people
kind of, uh, um, uh, uh, is there a talk

590
00:29:33,084 --> 00:29:34,975
in the town about the Padel, you know?

591
00:29:34,995 --> 00:29:37,324
Are you like the Padel
guy here in Vermont?

592
00:29:37,384 --> 00:29:39,185
You know, it's the Padel guy, you know?

593
00:29:39,435 --> 00:29:39,794
Padel guy.

594
00:29:39,824 --> 00:29:40,475
Oh, that's a good one.

595
00:29:40,604 --> 00:29:45,435
Uh, certainly I'm a, you know,
passionate advocate and, uh, And,

596
00:29:45,435 --> 00:29:49,175
uh, you know, I take my Padel to
the pickleball courts everywhere.

597
00:29:49,175 --> 00:29:53,355
I do play a lot of competitions and
take it and just kind of pass it around

598
00:29:53,355 --> 00:29:55,475
and have people touch it and feel it.

599
00:29:55,795 --> 00:29:59,185
And again, almost with every
passing day, there's more and

600
00:29:59,185 --> 00:30:00,665
more that I've heard about it now.

601
00:30:00,665 --> 00:30:04,005
And they, or have a friend
from Europe or South America.

602
00:30:04,445 --> 00:30:08,435
So it's just a great, you know,
conversation piece that gets it going

603
00:30:08,435 --> 00:30:13,125
and, and now having a place where people
can come and try as you met today.

604
00:30:13,125 --> 00:30:18,335
I mean, the one lady drove
up from Brattleboro, another

605
00:30:18,555 --> 00:30:22,675
gentleman drove over from Dorset,
another guy came from Stratton.

606
00:30:22,675 --> 00:30:26,985
So I'm getting people that
are driving virtually an hour.

607
00:30:27,435 --> 00:30:29,975
You know, to come over
here, they will to play.

608
00:30:29,975 --> 00:30:32,035
And they will, if they
play Padel, that's right.

609
00:30:32,045 --> 00:30:35,165
It is within an hour, an hour and
a half, even two, they're coming.

610
00:30:35,205 --> 00:30:36,295
It's got a big draw.

611
00:30:36,425 --> 00:30:38,035
It's just, they need to know about it.

612
00:30:38,105 --> 00:30:42,265
You know, uh, usually a snowboarding
or, or, you know, into Europe or

613
00:30:42,425 --> 00:30:44,835
Florida or somewhere else where
they have Padeld and then they come

614
00:30:44,835 --> 00:30:46,675
back, they have the edge to play.

615
00:30:47,285 --> 00:30:51,015
Yeah, certainly a lot of the
people here do winter in Florida.

616
00:30:51,415 --> 00:30:52,235
So, um.

617
00:30:52,845 --> 00:30:57,145
Again, we're hopeful of a project coming
out of the ground in Vero Beach very soon.

618
00:30:57,145 --> 00:31:01,575
So, a lot of them that have been
to the Dade County, Miami, some

619
00:31:01,575 --> 00:31:02,965
of the clubs we've talked about.

620
00:31:03,425 --> 00:31:07,325
Boynton Beach has a court
indoors in a squash club.

621
00:31:07,985 --> 00:31:12,715
Many of the country clubs now, Boca
Grove and Boca Raton just added courts.

622
00:31:12,715 --> 00:31:14,265
So, it's happening fast.

623
00:31:14,275 --> 00:31:16,795
The city of Wellington is
one of the first municipal.

624
00:31:17,340 --> 00:31:19,330
The clubs in Florida
that are bringing it on.

625
00:31:19,330 --> 00:31:23,010
So it's, it's fun to watch
this wave, the tipping point.

626
00:31:23,260 --> 00:31:26,690
It's not often a new
sport comes to a country.

627
00:31:26,690 --> 00:31:30,050
No less has one with the
kind of legs that this has.

628
00:31:30,050 --> 00:31:32,720
I mean, we're not talking about
spike ball here, not doing spike

629
00:31:32,950 --> 00:31:37,110
ball, but this is a sport that is
going to have some staying power.

630
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:38,730
It's not going to be a fad.

631
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:39,410
Oh, yeah, yeah.

632
00:31:39,410 --> 00:31:46,299
I mean, I see a little bit more difficult
in New England and areas where You have

633
00:31:46,300 --> 00:31:50,780
the four seasons, especially the winter,
you know, the nice like Florida and Texas

634
00:31:50,780 --> 00:31:56,450
and California, it's a little bit easier,
you know, but, um, so being indoors,

635
00:31:56,450 --> 00:31:58,080
do you think that's going to be key?

636
00:31:58,630 --> 00:32:02,050
Or do you think a, a, a pedicle
can survive without being indoors?

637
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:07,220
Well, as you know, we're seeing the
indoor places coming on board in

638
00:32:07,220 --> 00:32:09,240
Connecticut, like a sports house.

639
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,250
And of course, Pedell House in
the city, Pedellphia, Pedellphia

640
00:32:12,270 --> 00:32:13,230
not only has the outdoor.

641
00:32:13,950 --> 00:32:18,600
Tour courts where we first started
with pop ups four years ago in Manionk

642
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,180
and Bollockinwood, but now the indoor.

643
00:32:21,180 --> 00:32:22,940
So there you got side by side.

644
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:30,680
Um, I mean certainly indoor is, if you can
get the numbers right, you know, people

645
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,120
like guarantee of weather and consistency.

646
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,030
You know, if you get, I know
being in the tennis business, if

647
00:32:36,030 --> 00:32:41,670
I lose, Three consecutive days or
three consecutive Tuesday nights

648
00:32:41,670 --> 00:32:43,860
to rain outs or too much wind.

649
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:45,400
It's hard to keep your.

650
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,120
You're following, you
know, your people engaged.

651
00:32:50,650 --> 00:32:52,870
So there's something to
be said for consistency.

652
00:32:53,100 --> 00:32:57,280
I'm curious, I'm sure you've had some
European folks on your blog that,

653
00:32:57,530 --> 00:33:00,750
you know, what are the percentages
of indoor versus outdoor in Europe?

654
00:33:00,900 --> 00:33:04,660
I mean, primarily in Spain, I got to guess
they're outdoors because of the weather.

655
00:33:04,660 --> 00:33:09,475
But when you get into the Nordic countries
like Sweden, which has a Big pedal

656
00:33:09,475 --> 00:33:14,195
push, but they've got a I would think
would be mostly, you know indoors So

657
00:33:14,195 --> 00:33:15,705
there's I think pros and cons, right?

658
00:33:15,705 --> 00:33:18,945
So indoors you're always
limited to height, right?

659
00:33:18,975 --> 00:33:24,704
And a lot of these buildings,
um They're 20 feet 23 24.

660
00:33:24,705 --> 00:33:30,370
They're not regulation 27 and
even at 27, um You know, as you

661
00:33:30,370 --> 00:33:34,360
know, lobs or lobos are a very
important part of a Padel, right?

662
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:40,000
You're only as good as, as your
lob, you know, that's what they say.

663
00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:42,950
Um, so you have that as
a kind of, but again.

664
00:33:43,605 --> 00:33:46,155
Uh, you know, indoors it's consistency.

665
00:33:46,155 --> 00:33:47,045
You know you're going to play.

666
00:33:47,055 --> 00:33:48,105
There's, it's not going to rain.

667
00:33:48,105 --> 00:33:49,345
It's not going to be canceled.

668
00:33:49,375 --> 00:33:49,975
You know what I'm saying?

669
00:33:49,975 --> 00:33:52,255
There's a hurricane, unless it's
a hurricane and lights go out,

670
00:33:52,255 --> 00:33:53,535
but you know you're playing.

671
00:33:54,135 --> 00:33:56,735
The worst thing is, you know,
is coming, okay, I'm going to

672
00:33:56,735 --> 00:33:58,655
play Thursday and it's raining.

673
00:33:58,665 --> 00:34:00,335
You know, it's like the worst, you know?

674
00:34:00,685 --> 00:34:02,065
So there are some pros and cons.

675
00:34:02,085 --> 00:34:05,885
Um, obviously it's a lot more
expensive, uh, indoors, you know,

676
00:34:05,985 --> 00:34:07,565
return on investment is longer.

677
00:34:07,575 --> 00:34:08,485
It's more expensive.

678
00:34:08,935 --> 00:34:09,625
Uh, it takes.

679
00:34:09,945 --> 00:34:15,225
Longer to build, you know, permits,
all those things, uh, outdoor is, uh,

680
00:34:15,305 --> 00:34:20,355
obviously, uh, less return on investment
the sooner and you get that, you get

681
00:34:20,425 --> 00:34:23,905
all the higher, you know, but, you
know, but you get the, you know, even

682
00:34:23,915 --> 00:34:28,555
in, uh, warmer areas, you still get
humidity, still get, you know, heat, sun.

683
00:34:28,555 --> 00:34:32,755
So I guess there's pros and cons
to both, you know, well, one nice

684
00:34:32,765 --> 00:34:36,075
thing that, as you were saying,
that is pretty cool about outdoor.

685
00:34:36,910 --> 00:34:39,260
Pedal is the, is the, at
least wind is mitigated.

686
00:34:39,260 --> 00:34:41,770
I mean, you know, you, you can't
play pickleball on some days

687
00:34:41,790 --> 00:34:44,760
outside with a plastic ball.

688
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:49,300
I mean, there's nothing around there to
stop it, but the, but the tempered glass

689
00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:53,550
does helps, does help not only with the
temperatures we talked about earlier,

690
00:34:53,550 --> 00:34:57,620
but it, but the wind can be blowing or
howling and it's really unaffecting the

691
00:34:57,620 --> 00:34:59,316
game because of your structure there.

692
00:34:59,316 --> 00:35:00,976
So that's kind of neat.

693
00:35:00,976 --> 00:35:01,308
Yeah.

694
00:35:01,308 --> 00:35:02,635
Um, yeah, you're right.

695
00:35:02,635 --> 00:35:04,500
I mean, I was just in Houston.

696
00:35:04,530 --> 00:35:10,795
I mean, Most of the clubs out in
the southwest, uh, in Texas and

697
00:35:10,795 --> 00:35:12,685
Austin and Houston are outdoors.

698
00:35:12,685 --> 00:35:16,525
I did see a couple of indoor
courts, uh, but just for a

699
00:35:16,525 --> 00:35:17,775
variety of different reasons.

700
00:35:17,775 --> 00:35:19,815
But, you know, to have
the variety, we'll see.

701
00:35:19,815 --> 00:35:22,205
I mean, the, it's what
the market will bear.

702
00:35:22,205 --> 00:35:24,895
And I think we'll, we'll see a little
bit of everything down the road.

703
00:35:25,465 --> 00:35:30,415
Again, I think that, uh, some people ask
me, you know, is it, A kid's game, you

704
00:35:30,415 --> 00:35:34,655
know, I, I think much like pickleball
has become, I think the demographics

705
00:35:34,825 --> 00:35:42,340
are from youngsters all the way up to
Well up into the years of the seventies.

706
00:35:42,350 --> 00:35:46,770
I mean, so I think it's, I think it's,
it's pretty much of an equal jet.

707
00:35:46,780 --> 00:35:50,330
I think maybe in some countries, I think
more women are playing it than guys.

708
00:35:50,540 --> 00:35:51,500
Correct me if I'm wrong.

709
00:35:51,530 --> 00:35:51,810
Yeah.

710
00:35:51,810 --> 00:35:52,060
Yeah.

711
00:35:52,060 --> 00:35:54,330
I mean that they, they just,
everybody's playing it.

712
00:35:54,330 --> 00:35:54,700
You're right.

713
00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:56,320
And, and I think that's important.

714
00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,540
I think, you know, um, because if you
don't get the youth to start playing

715
00:36:00,540 --> 00:36:04,490
that, you know, it's gonna, you know,
turn on like racquetball or something,

716
00:36:04,490 --> 00:36:07,650
you know, where you just an older
sport and then that's kind of dying

717
00:36:07,650 --> 00:36:09,010
out because you don't have that youth.

718
00:36:09,215 --> 00:36:12,775
playing, you know, so getting into the
schools, getting your, your kids to

719
00:36:12,775 --> 00:36:14,735
start playing, I think is really key.

720
00:36:15,075 --> 00:36:18,775
It's super important, you know, here,
you know, in other areas like Spain,

721
00:36:18,805 --> 00:36:21,775
Argentina or Europe and stuff like
it's already kind of established.

722
00:36:21,775 --> 00:36:22,655
They already have that.

723
00:36:23,065 --> 00:36:26,285
That's why they're so far ahead of
us, you know, but I think that's

724
00:36:26,285 --> 00:36:28,535
important in the U S for sure.

725
00:36:28,715 --> 00:36:33,415
I think one of the other magical parts of
the sport, like pickleball is that there's

726
00:36:33,415 --> 00:36:38,485
an immediate perceived competence because
the sweet spot is right off your hands.

727
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:44,900
People can find that ball and
serve, rally, and play right away.

728
00:36:44,900 --> 00:36:52,200
But more than pickleball, you have the
level up and all the different shots.

729
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,180
It's very broad, as
you're saying, very broad.

730
00:36:54,210 --> 00:36:56,210
Somebody who doesn't,
never played, can play.

731
00:36:56,350 --> 00:36:56,770
Right.

732
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,970
But you can take that level really high.

733
00:36:59,090 --> 00:37:02,580
Which really makes it a special sport.

734
00:37:02,910 --> 00:37:05,690
And it also initially bridges levels.

735
00:37:05,690 --> 00:37:06,710
I mean, like pickleball.

736
00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:07,870
You know, you and I could.

737
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:11,909
Grab two people and have fun with it.

738
00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:13,820
Don't get me wrong, I love tennis.

739
00:37:13,820 --> 00:37:18,320
It's been very good to me, but we all
know that tennis is very level sensitive.

740
00:37:18,670 --> 00:37:20,130
It's just hard to bridge it.

741
00:37:20,140 --> 00:37:22,560
There's no real handicapping
that has worked ever.

742
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:23,450
A hundred percent.

743
00:37:23,450 --> 00:37:25,950
And you're playing singles,
you know, all the time too.

744
00:37:25,980 --> 00:37:28,990
You know, so finding that person
that, you know, that's close

745
00:37:28,990 --> 00:37:29,970
to your level is difficult.

746
00:37:30,020 --> 00:37:31,460
And somebody you can socialize with.

747
00:37:32,090 --> 00:37:32,660
That's even harder.

748
00:37:32,660 --> 00:37:37,920
And the footprint too is tighter, like
pickleball, you know, you, you reweave

749
00:37:37,930 --> 00:37:42,780
the social fabric, you go out the open
door there and you know, you're mixing

750
00:37:42,780 --> 00:37:44,800
and matching, you know, very easily.

751
00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:46,690
I'm very fond of the turf.

752
00:37:46,690 --> 00:37:51,070
I find it very user friendly
on my joints and body.

753
00:37:51,100 --> 00:37:55,410
Um, I don't know whether there's a little
cushion in it or something, or it's

754
00:37:55,410 --> 00:37:57,940
the sand that creates an anti friction.

755
00:37:58,535 --> 00:38:03,895
I mean, I can play hours and feel, I
think, I think, I think that's definitely,

756
00:38:03,995 --> 00:38:07,665
it's definitely the turf, but it's also
the way you play, I believe, you know,

757
00:38:07,665 --> 00:38:15,075
in tennis, you're running to one part
stopping and doing a full stroke, you

758
00:38:15,075 --> 00:38:20,015
know, learning, you know, it's a lot of
stress when you go and stop there, you

759
00:38:20,015 --> 00:38:24,365
know, to take that shot all through your
body, you know, and Padel, you're not

760
00:38:24,365 --> 00:38:26,735
doing that, you know, you got a partner.

761
00:38:27,820 --> 00:38:30,470
You're slowing it down
using the back wall.

762
00:38:30,995 --> 00:38:33,155
You know, so there's a little
bit less, less of that.

763
00:38:33,635 --> 00:38:36,775
You know, you're not stressing
if that ball is getting by you.

764
00:38:36,945 --> 00:38:39,705
Because as long as you're not defending
against the walls, you're just taking

765
00:38:39,705 --> 00:38:41,305
your time and getting the right shot.

766
00:38:42,005 --> 00:38:45,105
Tennis, left, right, and you're
stopping a lot of pressure on

767
00:38:45,195 --> 00:38:46,865
your feet, on your whole body.

768
00:38:46,955 --> 00:38:48,425
Left, right, and taking those shots.

769
00:38:48,905 --> 00:38:52,175
So I think it's definitely better
when it comes to the older guys.

770
00:38:52,205 --> 00:38:52,425
You know?

771
00:38:54,165 --> 00:38:56,405
And, you know, your joints and your back.

772
00:38:57,095 --> 00:39:00,955
Because that was one of the reasons
why You know, I started, stopped

773
00:39:00,955 --> 00:39:04,615
playing tennis too because it was
just taking a toll, you know, on

774
00:39:04,615 --> 00:39:06,355
my, on my body, you know, my joints.

775
00:39:06,725 --> 00:39:10,205
The other interesting part of this
sport, like pickleball too, is that

776
00:39:10,905 --> 00:39:16,055
if you and I were to take a stopwatch
and see how much the ball was in play

777
00:39:16,085 --> 00:39:23,005
during our hour, It's in play a lot
because the ball, you're in that box

778
00:39:23,005 --> 00:39:25,145
and the ball comes right back to you.

779
00:39:25,145 --> 00:39:28,645
You know, you're not going and
fetching it and bouncing the

780
00:39:28,645 --> 00:39:33,365
underhanded serve creates, you
know, a very easy point starter.

781
00:39:33,945 --> 00:39:37,715
Um, one of the things just I observed
too, by watching the pros in Miami a

782
00:39:37,715 --> 00:39:42,335
couple of years ago, that surprised
me is how I thought they would hit

783
00:39:42,335 --> 00:39:46,665
overheads off of a lot of balls
that were like three quarter court.

784
00:39:47,485 --> 00:39:51,985
But because the players are so
good at coming forward and not

785
00:39:51,985 --> 00:39:53,855
being afraid of a hard hit ball.

786
00:39:54,530 --> 00:39:59,600
Yeah, the bounce of those deep lobs and
then the cochillo or the ball off the

787
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:06,430
glass Was a real epiphany for me to watch
So I'm probably changing game, right?

788
00:40:06,610 --> 00:40:10,070
Yeah, I thought I needed to cover
all the overhead like tennis You

789
00:40:10,070 --> 00:40:12,140
know, you don't let that thing
get over your head and bounce.

790
00:40:12,220 --> 00:40:16,605
Yeah, but in this game, you've
got to be Careful, I think, of

791
00:40:16,605 --> 00:40:20,775
not trying to hit a smash from too
far back, because a good player is

792
00:40:20,795 --> 00:40:21,495
going to come in and drop the ball.

793
00:40:21,495 --> 00:40:25,195
Yeah, like, so, I was talking to him
about before, there's many different shots

794
00:40:25,215 --> 00:40:30,605
and unique shots to Padel, you know, so
every position you're at, where the ball

795
00:40:30,605 --> 00:40:34,484
comes, you know, it's a specific shot,
so you don't want to use the wrong shot.

796
00:40:34,635 --> 00:40:38,805
You know, at that time, so if you're
in the back on the back line and you're

797
00:40:38,805 --> 00:40:42,534
going to take a smash and your name
and you're not, um, Arturo, Arturo

798
00:40:42,535 --> 00:40:45,255
Cuello, you're not going to take that.

799
00:40:45,255 --> 00:40:48,785
It's a wrong shot because nine
times out of ten, it's not

800
00:40:48,785 --> 00:40:51,515
going to come back or you're not
going to put it up or for three.

801
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:55,780
So the experienced player is just going to
come to the front and then come and smash.

802
00:40:56,250 --> 00:40:58,470
So, and then you have
unique shots, of course.

803
00:40:58,490 --> 00:41:00,360
You know, you have La Baneja, right?

804
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:01,180
You have the Vibora.

805
00:41:01,180 --> 00:41:07,080
So those are the shots you're going to
use, as you know, uh, to keep your net.

806
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,750
You know, or hope that, you know,
your Vibora is good enough where

807
00:41:10,750 --> 00:41:11,890
they're just barely getting.

808
00:41:11,890 --> 00:41:13,480
Give you a short, short lob.

809
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,910
And then that's when you're
going to hit the smash.

810
00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:19,190
But I think coming from tennis,
I came from tennis myself.

811
00:41:19,580 --> 00:41:20,120
Um.

812
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:24,230
Either the first thing you want to
do is smash and you know, I had a

813
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:28,070
good great smash You know, which is
definitely one of the shots important

814
00:41:28,070 --> 00:41:33,980
shots But you know playing with people
who are not the experience it worked

815
00:41:33,980 --> 00:41:38,015
all the time But once you start playing
with Padel players you get caught

816
00:41:38,015 --> 00:41:41,375
where you're giving away points, you
know, and then you start learning.

817
00:41:41,525 --> 00:41:45,355
You have to start learning all the shots,
all the aerial shots, you know, so that's,

818
00:41:45,365 --> 00:41:50,435
uh, so I had the same same situation,
you know, when I first started, you

819
00:41:50,435 --> 00:41:53,755
know, it's like, hey, there's other shots
and I can't be doing this all the time.

820
00:41:53,755 --> 00:41:54,145
Plus.

821
00:41:54,745 --> 00:42:00,485
It exerts a lot of energy, you know, smash
exerts a lot of energy, you know, and

822
00:42:00,485 --> 00:42:04,015
then, you know, it's a high risk shot,
you know, uh, you have to hit exactly,

823
00:42:04,015 --> 00:42:07,085
you know, if you hit it too high, you
see it going way over there, you know,

824
00:42:07,085 --> 00:42:12,245
or it hits the net, you know, so, um,
yeah, I experienced the same thing.

825
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:19,240
Great thinking person sport, the geometry
of it and reading the angles and the,

826
00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:21,400
uh, deflections and the rebounds.

827
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,610
It's just, it just really is an engaging.

828
00:42:25,175 --> 00:42:27,045
Beautiful, beautiful sport.

829
00:42:27,045 --> 00:42:31,205
So I feel privileged to have been
exposed to it and be involved.

830
00:42:31,205 --> 00:42:35,165
And I look forward to, you know, the
journey here, you know, here forward.

831
00:42:35,365 --> 00:42:35,685
Correct.

832
00:42:35,695 --> 00:42:35,895
Great.

833
00:42:35,895 --> 00:42:36,145
Okay.

834
00:42:36,145 --> 00:42:40,925
So, uh, where can they reach, uh, you
guys have a website or do you guys

835
00:42:40,925 --> 00:42:42,685
have a handle for any of the platforms?

836
00:42:42,915 --> 00:42:45,685
Yeah, we have the brookboundinvermont.

837
00:42:45,685 --> 00:42:46,805
com is our website.

838
00:42:47,265 --> 00:42:50,445
Um, so that's probably the
best place to start with.

839
00:42:50,575 --> 00:42:52,495
And then you have also the app, right?

840
00:42:52,495 --> 00:42:55,225
And then the app is, right on
there you can download the app.

841
00:42:55,225 --> 00:42:56,045
Oh, right.

842
00:42:56,085 --> 00:42:56,955
And register.

843
00:42:57,005 --> 00:42:59,225
So that's the first step
really, is getting the app.

844
00:42:59,225 --> 00:43:03,885
And at that point you can, you know,
uh, you can book a court, you know.

845
00:43:04,015 --> 00:43:08,520
And from there I assume, can you
actually book a place here in

846
00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:09,950
the inn or do you have to call?

847
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,470
No, you can book off the website.

848
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:13,220
Oh, that's great.

849
00:43:13,470 --> 00:43:19,080
We're, we're also on the Vrbo and
Airbnb platforms as well for the inn,

850
00:43:19,090 --> 00:43:21,939
not so much for the pickleball pedal.

851
00:43:22,090 --> 00:43:25,720
That's probably soon to come, you
know, it's like, okay, so let's talk

852
00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:29,760
a little bit more about Padel and
you What side do you play on and do

853
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,770
you see yourself more as a technical?

854
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,040
Um player or more of an as
an aggressive player Well

855
00:43:35,070 --> 00:43:37,120
fortunate to be a southpaw lefty.

856
00:43:37,220 --> 00:43:43,090
Okay, so early on my You know, one of my
mentors was marcos dead pilar, you know,

857
00:43:43,090 --> 00:43:48,860
he got me started and So he pushed me over
to the uh the right side very quickly.

858
00:43:48,860 --> 00:43:53,110
So in tennis, we call that
the do side, I believe.

859
00:43:53,110 --> 00:43:58,080
And so, um, that way my forehand is, our
forehand, if I'm typically playing with

860
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:02,100
another right hand or our forehands or
it's the middle, um, when my partner's

861
00:44:02,100 --> 00:44:04,650
serving, we go the Australian format.

862
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,520
Um, probably the shot that
I've suffered with, uh, early

863
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:10,990
on, cause I used to try to.

864
00:44:11,210 --> 00:44:13,890
cut it off was the serve
coming into the glass.

865
00:44:14,330 --> 00:44:18,040
If I lean that too close to protect that.

866
00:44:18,490 --> 00:44:22,430
I felt like first I left the middle
open for guys that would knife it down.

867
00:44:22,430 --> 00:44:23,130
There are gals.

868
00:44:23,650 --> 00:44:26,510
And then also I found that I was
maybe taking balls that might

869
00:44:26,510 --> 00:44:28,350
have been going into the mesh.

870
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,900
So with enough prep trials and
repetitions, I've learned to

871
00:44:31,900 --> 00:44:33,514
sit back and let the ball go.

872
00:44:34,025 --> 00:44:38,075
Kiss off the glass there, that
first panel, and then just return

873
00:44:38,075 --> 00:44:39,555
it off of that in most cases.

874
00:44:39,565 --> 00:44:42,495
You don't want to have that
serve reach the second panel.

875
00:44:42,505 --> 00:44:43,205
Right, right.

876
00:44:43,345 --> 00:44:48,485
Positioning, it's been fun, this journey
of, you know, I'm a hyper competitive

877
00:44:48,485 --> 00:44:53,764
rackets guy, so I'm always striving
to get better and compete well.

878
00:44:53,765 --> 00:44:57,295
So you're lefty, and of course you
play the right sided driver, the deuce.

879
00:44:57,725 --> 00:45:01,405
Um, so when it comes down the
middle, or there's a nice shot.

880
00:45:02,850 --> 00:45:03,490
Who takes it?

881
00:45:03,490 --> 00:45:04,520
You or your partner?

882
00:45:05,580 --> 00:45:07,590
Well, it depends on who I'm playing with.

883
00:45:07,610 --> 00:45:07,990
You know?

884
00:45:08,510 --> 00:45:08,850
Yeah?

885
00:45:09,140 --> 00:45:10,290
Uh, partially.

886
00:45:10,620 --> 00:45:16,125
Um, You know, I, I, oftentimes it's the
player that may have hit the last shot,

887
00:45:16,215 --> 00:45:20,855
tends to be a little more engaged, you
know, who's got the diagonal angle, who

888
00:45:20,855 --> 00:45:22,775
maybe is in front of the other player.

889
00:45:23,205 --> 00:45:25,875
Uh, but you know, there's
a chance to communicate.

890
00:45:26,375 --> 00:45:29,885
Um, so it's just, uh,
it's just trial and error.

891
00:45:29,885 --> 00:45:33,245
And I'm still searching for a
more consistent partner as well.

892
00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:35,640
Kind of mixing and matching.

893
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,660
I'm one of my goals in 2024.

894
00:45:38,730 --> 00:45:42,740
Happy New Year to everybody, by the
way, is to, is to start to compete more.

895
00:45:42,740 --> 00:45:45,440
I want to start playing some tournaments.

896
00:45:45,650 --> 00:45:46,870
There's a lot of them.

897
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:49,500
I mean, I visit the USPA
website all the time.

898
00:45:49,500 --> 00:45:54,950
And so I look forward to
competing and finding, you know,

899
00:45:55,060 --> 00:45:56,640
a multitude of partners to play.

900
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:57,090
Okay.

901
00:45:57,090 --> 00:45:58,570
So what's your favorite racket?

902
00:45:59,565 --> 00:46:03,095
Well, my favorite racket is,
uh, is the, uh, the Adidas.

903
00:46:03,095 --> 00:46:06,305
Um, I'm playing with the, uh,
Adipower Control right here.

904
00:46:06,305 --> 00:46:08,235
I like the fact that it's
got a little grid on it.

905
00:46:08,925 --> 00:46:11,765
Uh, the metal bone as well
with a little waiting system.

906
00:46:11,775 --> 00:46:16,015
That's the new pickleball racket they just
came out with, which was very innovative.

907
00:46:16,015 --> 00:46:19,845
I think it was the first ever
custom weighted, uh, racket.

908
00:46:19,855 --> 00:46:20,515
So, um.

909
00:46:20,885 --> 00:46:26,905
Yeah, it's it's it seems to have the right
amount of balance and feel and Control

910
00:46:26,905 --> 00:46:31,875
and power and so enjoy it and in golden
point, you know, if you play golden point

911
00:46:31,885 --> 00:46:42,745
who takes it you or your partner You know
again It's it really depends on who seems

912
00:46:42,745 --> 00:46:45,770
to be The hotter player at the moment.

913
00:46:45,860 --> 00:46:47,860
Okay, so it was more consistent that day.

914
00:46:48,300 --> 00:46:52,800
And it might be what our opponents
have shown us with their serving

915
00:46:53,130 --> 00:46:55,070
skill to that particular side.

916
00:46:55,750 --> 00:47:01,500
If they've been very effective at Fine
in the glass on one particular side and

917
00:47:01,500 --> 00:47:03,880
have had success with winner serves.

918
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,270
And maybe the other player will take that.

919
00:47:06,270 --> 00:47:07,460
All right.

920
00:47:07,460 --> 00:47:09,070
So what, so what's your favorite shot?

921
00:47:09,820 --> 00:47:14,750
You know, I love, I love
the three letter dirty word.

922
00:47:14,750 --> 00:47:15,090
Lob.

923
00:47:15,090 --> 00:47:18,233
I tend to have pretty good feel.

924
00:47:18,233 --> 00:47:22,310
I, you know, I think
especially new players.

925
00:47:22,910 --> 00:47:27,010
Padel haven't really recognized how
important it is to be, not only how

926
00:47:27,020 --> 00:47:30,400
important it is, but they tend to
squeeze in a little tight on the net.

927
00:47:31,240 --> 00:47:34,980
And so it's pretty easy to bump
it over their heads and get in.

928
00:47:34,990 --> 00:47:39,230
Then I just love to see him scramble,
you know, run at the ball and figure

929
00:47:39,230 --> 00:47:40,770
out what they're going to do next on it.

930
00:47:40,850 --> 00:47:43,360
It's a way to, uh, to dominate the net.

931
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:47,200
I also, uh, I mean, I've always
been a bit of a touch finesse.

932
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:49,730
Tennis player and pickleball player.

933
00:47:49,730 --> 00:47:52,490
So is it the Chiquita, not Chiquita.

934
00:47:52,545 --> 00:47:52,625
Yeah.

935
00:47:52,670 --> 00:47:53,330
Not Chiquita.

936
00:47:53,330 --> 00:47:54,425
I love to Mm-Hmm.

937
00:47:54,505 --> 00:47:57,260
to, to kind of use what
I call the gravity shot.

938
00:47:57,350 --> 00:47:57,440
Mm-Hmm.

939
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:57,681
. Yeah.

940
00:47:57,686 --> 00:47:57,740
Yeah.

941
00:47:57,740 --> 00:48:02,780
And, and angle it in front of a player
and see if they can properly split

942
00:48:02,780 --> 00:48:04,940
step and use the crossover and Yeah.

943
00:48:05,060 --> 00:48:06,110
Go get that.

944
00:48:06,410 --> 00:48:08,930
As opposed to a lot of them,
you know, rear back Mm-Hmm.

945
00:48:09,170 --> 00:48:10,520
or he gets by 'em, so, yeah.

946
00:48:11,060 --> 00:48:11,450
You know?

947
00:48:11,450 --> 00:48:12,050
Yes.

948
00:48:12,050 --> 00:48:15,830
It's fun to drive it and, you know,
crush it, but so far, you know, the.

949
00:48:16,715 --> 00:48:18,535
The defensive offensive lob.

950
00:48:18,825 --> 00:48:20,345
Off the return of serve in particular.

951
00:48:20,355 --> 00:48:23,775
I often times go over the
That's not easy either.

952
00:48:23,845 --> 00:48:25,355
Especially if they got
a good serve, you know.

953
00:48:25,845 --> 00:48:29,765
Sometimes, for me, if they have a
good serve, it's just getting it back.

954
00:48:30,205 --> 00:48:34,325
You know, so they can just
defend it and my second one is

955
00:48:34,325 --> 00:48:35,855
a lob usually, that's the case.

956
00:48:35,885 --> 00:48:39,635
But if it's a second serve,
then I go for the lob, you know.

957
00:48:40,235 --> 00:48:41,845
Alright, so what's your worst shot?

958
00:48:43,315 --> 00:48:54,225
Um, I think my, my weakness still is being
able to properly react to a two sided hard

959
00:48:54,225 --> 00:49:00,795
hit glass shot where don't, you know, I
got to learn the defensive glass, right?

960
00:49:00,795 --> 00:49:03,709
You know, work in those corners
where, you know, when it.

961
00:49:04,100 --> 00:49:07,790
Staying near it when it goes by me
near and going away from it when it

962
00:49:07,790 --> 00:49:12,520
goes by me from afar and just not
getting turned around and realizing

963
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,160
that you have more time than you think.

964
00:49:14,260 --> 00:49:19,170
I do have a lot of platform tennis
hours under my belt, so I learned

965
00:49:19,170 --> 00:49:21,020
how not to get turned around there.

966
00:49:21,020 --> 00:49:25,045
So I think with enough trials and
repetitions with this, I'll I'll

967
00:49:25,045 --> 00:49:29,675
get more adept at handling the, the
power drives that have multiple.

968
00:49:30,695 --> 00:49:33,605
That tends to be most tennis
players, uh, difficult.

969
00:49:33,615 --> 00:49:38,055
So it was mine when I first started,
of course, uh, defending the walls, you

970
00:49:38,055 --> 00:49:39,425
know, it's like the walls, what is that?

971
00:49:39,425 --> 00:49:39,685
You know?

972
00:49:39,685 --> 00:49:43,305
And then sometimes you'll see
people step up to the line and

973
00:49:43,305 --> 00:49:44,405
try to volley everything there.

974
00:49:44,405 --> 00:49:46,145
So they don't want to
let it go back into the.

975
00:49:46,735 --> 00:49:47,695
into the back wall.

976
00:49:47,715 --> 00:49:49,365
And once in a while we'll do that too.

977
00:49:49,385 --> 00:49:53,145
They have a good bandeja and, and I'm
like, Oh, it's going to be hard to defend.

978
00:49:53,145 --> 00:49:54,155
It's going to die in the corner.

979
00:49:54,155 --> 00:49:54,795
I'll step up.

980
00:49:54,805 --> 00:49:57,725
But, uh, before I used
to do that all the time.

981
00:49:57,855 --> 00:50:01,375
Now I feel more confident, um, just
practicing, practicing a little while.

982
00:50:01,375 --> 00:50:06,585
So that's, that's usually a tennis
player's most difficult shot to defend.

983
00:50:06,985 --> 00:50:08,665
And it was mine, you know,
when I first started.

984
00:50:09,015 --> 00:50:12,035
The other shot I'm struggling with
a little bit is when the player

985
00:50:12,155 --> 00:50:16,530
really keeps it Super close to.

986
00:50:17,100 --> 00:50:17,700
Yeah, yeah.

987
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:19,510
You know, what's the,
help me with that one.

988
00:50:19,970 --> 00:50:22,000
Yeah, that's just, it's
just a difficult shot.

989
00:50:22,020 --> 00:50:24,140
There's no like shot you're going to use.

990
00:50:24,140 --> 00:50:25,050
I mean, what I do is.

991
00:50:25,955 --> 00:50:31,415
I mean, I mean, number one is that
it's, you know, most, uh, tennis

992
00:50:31,415 --> 00:50:34,665
players will hold their Padel, I
think, with Eastern Continental, right?

993
00:50:34,935 --> 00:50:40,715
So they're like this, so it's very hard
to, to get that ball, right, forehand.

994
00:50:40,715 --> 00:50:44,495
So, you know, the Continental
grip is always easiest in a short,

995
00:50:45,165 --> 00:50:46,515
uh, a short, what do you call it?

996
00:50:46,525 --> 00:50:47,375
Um, stroke.

997
00:50:47,715 --> 00:50:53,300
So by doing that, you can cover close
to that glass and just You know, or as

998
00:50:53,710 --> 00:50:58,070
I think most tennis players are holding
like this and they're trying to, it's very

999
00:50:58,070 --> 00:51:02,030
difficult, especially with the back walls,
you know, so that's, that's also changed.

1000
00:51:02,110 --> 00:51:05,430
That's also a thing that I see too
is a grip, you know, it's getting

1001
00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:06,600
used to the continental script.

1002
00:51:06,630 --> 00:51:08,110
A lot of tennis players, right?

1003
00:51:08,490 --> 00:51:11,930
Would you say the pros virtually play a
continental on every ball or are they,

1004
00:51:12,010 --> 00:51:13,710
uh, you mean, you mean from Padel?

1005
00:51:14,130 --> 00:51:14,550
Yeah.

1006
00:51:14,580 --> 00:51:14,860
Yeah.

1007
00:51:14,890 --> 00:51:16,150
I mean, honestly, um.

1008
00:51:16,375 --> 00:51:17,995
Yes, that's where you first start.

1009
00:51:18,105 --> 00:51:21,555
I mean, but again, you're going to
change east and western, you know

1010
00:51:21,555 --> 00:51:24,585
Because the ball is so low and you
have to get underneath, you know,

1011
00:51:24,585 --> 00:51:25,695
you gotta you gotta change your grip.

1012
00:51:25,695 --> 00:51:31,565
So for me, I I do change my grip based
on the shot, but almost 80 percent is

1013
00:51:31,585 --> 00:51:37,055
going to be continental grip always
um That's how I you know, but I say

1014
00:51:37,925 --> 00:51:41,725
But there's shots that you can't do
or it's more difficult to do if you're

1015
00:51:41,725 --> 00:51:46,680
not don't have a continental grip And
the corners and really the back wall.

1016
00:51:47,260 --> 00:51:51,060
If you're trying to do a big swing and
you have, it's going to be very hard.

1017
00:51:51,310 --> 00:51:53,180
You know, you just got to
get down in there and short

1018
00:51:53,190 --> 00:51:54,950
swing and boom, get it over.

1019
00:51:55,350 --> 00:51:55,680
Open it up.

1020
00:51:55,710 --> 00:51:56,660
Right, right, right.

1021
00:51:56,670 --> 00:52:00,995
So, um, so yeah, I mean that's Uh,
I mean, I, I encountered that when

1022
00:52:00,995 --> 00:52:02,205
I first started playing as well.

1023
00:52:02,315 --> 00:52:05,285
And I think a lot of people do until
you make that little adjustment

1024
00:52:05,295 --> 00:52:09,665
because it feels very weird coming
from tennis and then coming to use

1025
00:52:09,665 --> 00:52:11,585
a continental grip and then Padel.

1026
00:52:11,595 --> 00:52:13,671
It's like it took some
time to get used to it.

1027
00:52:13,671 --> 00:52:16,465
I think everybody takes some
time that comes from tennis

1028
00:52:16,515 --> 00:52:17,665
to get used to that, you know?

1029
00:52:18,345 --> 00:52:19,085
Um, okay.

1030
00:52:19,085 --> 00:52:21,965
So who is your favorite partner in Padel?

1031
00:52:23,765 --> 00:52:29,790
Um, well, my favorite partner
in Padel is, um, Probably I,

1032
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,170
I play with a Belgian pro here.

1033
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,400
He's from Belgium, but he's locally a pro.

1034
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:35,690
His name is Frank Bonte.

1035
00:52:35,870 --> 00:52:36,330
Okay.

1036
00:52:36,510 --> 00:52:37,770
Uh, he's fun to play with.

1037
00:52:38,140 --> 00:52:42,180
I also like to play with Carlos
Bautier, who's, who I mentioned

1038
00:52:42,180 --> 00:52:44,110
is with Real Turf out in Houston.

1039
00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:45,290
Um.

1040
00:52:46,765 --> 00:52:51,425
From a female side, uh, I'm
still probably my wife is my

1041
00:52:51,425 --> 00:52:54,357
favorite, uh, it's a good answer.

1042
00:52:54,357 --> 00:53:00,075
Who, who, who is a good, a nice pickleball
player and a good tennis player and

1043
00:53:00,455 --> 00:53:02,085
particularly well, good out of the air.

1044
00:53:02,085 --> 00:53:02,555
So her.

1045
00:53:02,810 --> 00:53:05,630
Her volley skills in tennis
translated well over the years.

1046
00:53:05,970 --> 00:53:10,510
Yeah, yeah, definitely tennis
players get the volleys, you know.

1047
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,690
It's just a little change, but they
pretty much have the volleys, you know.

1048
00:53:13,690 --> 00:53:16,000
And the smash, those are the
two things, you know, that are

1049
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:17,830
helpful for coming from tennis.

1050
00:53:18,030 --> 00:53:19,930
All right, Winnie, thank
you for coming on the show.

1051
00:53:19,930 --> 00:53:23,430
Um, you know, I want to wish you
all the luck in this adventure.

1052
00:53:24,155 --> 00:53:27,495
I appreciate you guys interest
in making the journey up here.

1053
00:53:28,365 --> 00:53:29,295
Con mucho gusto.

1054
00:53:29,625 --> 00:53:30,535
Hasta la proxima vez.

1055
00:53:31,295 --> 00:53:31,995
Alright buddy.

1056
00:53:32,325 --> 00:53:32,455
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00:53:33,255 --> 00:53:35,775
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