1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:06,300 After 20 years of evading us forces, Afghan forces and NATO forces and hiding 2 00:00:06,330 --> 00:00:11,610 in caves, the Taliban have finally emerged and within, I don't know, 14 3 00:00:11,610 --> 00:00:16,200 days, less than two weeks, they have swept through the nation of Afghanistan. 4 00:00:16,410 --> 00:00:19,200 They have waltz up to the capital Kabul. 5 00:00:19,350 --> 00:00:22,350 They knocked on the gates and the Afghan government and military. 6 00:00:22,799 --> 00:00:30,150 Simply handed over the keys time, transporting Afghanistan back 20 years 7 00:00:30,150 --> 00:00:36,989 to 2001 erasing all of the gains that, that women and children, religious 8 00:00:36,989 --> 00:00:41,819 Liberty, uh, freedom of press and freedom of speech had gained and 9 00:00:41,849 --> 00:00:47,970 earned and fought for over 20 years and nullifying all the loss of lives. 10 00:00:48,450 --> 00:00:56,160 Over to nearly 250,000 lives combined between Afghanis Pakistanis and us NATO 11 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:02,580 forces were lost, including civilians in there were lost in this 20 year period, 12 00:01:02,970 --> 00:01:09,510 reassuring back into power, the Taliban and the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan. 13 00:01:10,625 --> 00:01:14,285 Hey, it's Lucas and you're listening to the Lucas robot show where 14 00:01:14,285 --> 00:01:19,025 we uncover purpose, pursue truth and own the future episode 249. 15 00:01:19,265 --> 00:01:26,285 It is the late afternoon of August 15th, 2021, which is vitally important because 16 00:01:26,285 --> 00:01:31,225 by the time that you are listening to this, most of what we'll talk are talking 17 00:01:31,225 --> 00:01:33,505 about will have already transpired. 18 00:01:33,505 --> 00:01:34,485 That is right. 19 00:01:35,745 --> 00:01:41,205 As we speak the, the president of Afghanistan, Vani, he is resigning 20 00:01:41,595 --> 00:01:47,265 and he is signing power over to a transitionary government that will 21 00:01:47,775 --> 00:01:50,665 transform Afghanistan back into what. 22 00:01:51,335 --> 00:01:58,505 Most likely in the nineties in 2001, it used to be the, uh, the Islamic Emirate 23 00:01:58,505 --> 00:02:00,755 of Afghanistan under the Taliban rule. 24 00:02:00,755 --> 00:02:06,245 And that is exactly ladies and gentlemen, what it is going back to. 25 00:02:07,410 --> 00:02:12,180 Now this transition of power has been, uh, a peaceful one. 26 00:02:12,750 --> 00:02:20,000 There's the, the Taliban has met virtually no resists as they marched to the capital. 27 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,670 And at the Capitol and Kabul, no resistance. 28 00:02:22,670 --> 00:02:24,020 They, they walked in. 29 00:02:24,940 --> 00:02:26,320 They asked the police to surrender. 30 00:02:26,350 --> 00:02:26,860 They did. 31 00:02:27,070 --> 00:02:32,620 They walked up to the presidential palace and hugs and kisses, and they signed 32 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:38,660 over the government without, without any bullets fired, just like that. 33 00:02:39,460 --> 00:02:43,780 Without any resistance that the Taliban now have seized military bases 34 00:02:43,810 --> 00:02:50,140 they've seized the what used to be the largest, uh, foreign operation S 35 00:02:50,230 --> 00:02:53,110 uh, operation based in air force base. 36 00:02:53,850 --> 00:02:56,310 Uh, in the middle east, they've seized it. 37 00:02:56,460 --> 00:03:03,650 They've seized Humvees, uh, airplanes, black Hawk helicopters, and they've now 38 00:03:03,710 --> 00:03:10,970 negotiated an interim, uh, government or presidency that will train Zishan 39 00:03:10,970 --> 00:03:12,680 Afghanistan from what they are today. 40 00:03:12,710 --> 00:03:14,510 Back into the Islamic. 41 00:03:15,010 --> 00:03:19,239 Emirate of Afghanistan, they are putting into power. 42 00:03:19,269 --> 00:03:22,780 Most likely this transitionary, uh, administration will 43 00:03:22,780 --> 00:03:24,730 be co-directed by Moolah. 44 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,070 Barada a Taliban leader. 45 00:03:28,484 --> 00:03:29,505 Ali Ahmed. 46 00:03:29,505 --> 00:03:34,424 Jalali, who's the former minister of internal affairs for Afghanistan and a 47 00:03:34,424 --> 00:03:39,825 former employee of the voice of America, which is most likely a price that the 48 00:03:39,825 --> 00:03:45,644 Taliban knew they would have to pay in order to be recognized by the west, 49 00:03:45,644 --> 00:03:51,465 because that is extremely important that if the us probably has not learned very 50 00:03:51,465 --> 00:03:55,334 much since Vietnam since 1975, apparently. 51 00:03:56,385 --> 00:03:59,144 They've not learned much, but the Taliban certainly have. 52 00:03:59,144 --> 00:04:03,765 They've learned that if they want to be in power, they have to have the 53 00:04:04,394 --> 00:04:07,095 approval of some of the world powers. 54 00:04:07,095 --> 00:04:10,065 They need to at least have a level of recognition. 55 00:04:10,065 --> 00:04:12,465 And that is what they have gained as what they've won. 56 00:04:12,704 --> 00:04:18,555 And it's clear by the fact that there has been no resistance that they just waltz in 57 00:04:19,875 --> 00:04:22,815 that they have, they have enough leverage. 58 00:04:23,685 --> 00:04:28,635 With world leaders and enough leverage within Afghanistan, 59 00:04:29,025 --> 00:04:31,335 that they were able to do it. 60 00:04:31,485 --> 00:04:33,135 This, this like a cakewalk. 61 00:04:33,135 --> 00:04:40,065 Well, if you remember back in July, uh, president Biden, as he was announcing 62 00:04:40,065 --> 00:04:46,395 his grandiose plans of, of pulling out of Afghanistan, he was asked at a press 63 00:04:46,395 --> 00:04:48,105 conference of whether or not he thought. 64 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,599 That Afghanistan would fall to the Taliban forces. 65 00:04:52,599 --> 00:04:58,299 This is what president Biden had to say back in July, July 8th. 66 00:04:58,299 --> 00:05:02,549 I believe there's a Tali bond takeover of Afghanistan now. 67 00:05:02,549 --> 00:05:03,240 Inevitable. 68 00:05:03,330 --> 00:05:10,169 No, it is not because you have the Afghan troops have 300,000. 69 00:05:11,895 --> 00:05:17,115 Well-equipped as well as crypto as any army in the world and an air force 70 00:05:17,775 --> 00:05:20,655 against something like 75,000 times. 71 00:05:22,034 --> 00:05:23,115 It is not inevitable. 72 00:05:25,005 --> 00:05:25,995 It's not inevitable. 73 00:05:25,995 --> 00:05:32,284 He says he went on in this, in this press conference to say, there's going to be 74 00:05:32,645 --> 00:05:36,914 the Taliban, overrunning, everything, and owning the whole country is highly. 75 00:05:38,315 --> 00:05:39,995 Well, two, six weeks later. 76 00:05:40,595 --> 00:05:45,665 Yeah, he was drunk four to six weeks later from this clip, everything fell 77 00:05:45,755 --> 00:05:52,955 apart for the U S NATO forces and it's, it's somewhat of a baffling mystery. 78 00:05:53,610 --> 00:05:58,350 It's a mystery that here there's 300,000 well-trained troops that 79 00:05:58,350 --> 00:06:02,490 are, have military support, have an air force that have vehicles. 80 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,690 And yet there was no, there was no resistance. 81 00:06:06,690 --> 00:06:12,210 There's no standing up and fighting for their own country. 82 00:06:12,210 --> 00:06:13,260 It makes you wonder why. 83 00:06:14,115 --> 00:06:14,865 Why is this? 84 00:06:14,865 --> 00:06:20,625 And as I've been pondering this, this is my, my own thoughts on the matter. 85 00:06:20,805 --> 00:06:22,425 I don't have hardcore data. 86 00:06:22,425 --> 00:06:28,995 I don't have the interviews to back this up, but my suspicion is the app. 87 00:06:29,910 --> 00:06:31,620 Districts began to fall. 88 00:06:31,980 --> 00:06:37,280 And as it was evident that the military was not going to, to resist the Taliban, 89 00:06:37,580 --> 00:06:42,230 were people or disheartened that here, here that the American troops are leaving. 90 00:06:42,410 --> 00:06:44,720 We've been at war for 20 years. 91 00:06:45,110 --> 00:06:47,360 Are we going to hold onto the nation? 92 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,870 Are we going to hold onto the rights and liberties that we have fought so hard? 93 00:06:52,810 --> 00:06:54,130 Is that's really what it is. 94 00:06:54,340 --> 00:07:00,640 It's not just a, well, it's not just an American idea of quote unquote democracy 95 00:07:00,790 --> 00:07:04,720 that was fought for it, but it was actual women's rights girls being able 96 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,570 to go to school past the sixth grade. 97 00:07:09,855 --> 00:07:15,405 Girls not being forced into, into forced marriages as minors, that by, at the, 98 00:07:15,415 --> 00:07:20,625 at the young age of 12, which is now happening, the Taliban forces are going 99 00:07:20,625 --> 00:07:24,975 around knocking on doors and saying, Hey, do you have any young single girls? 100 00:07:25,215 --> 00:07:29,235 Because they're going to be forced married to our, our military. 101 00:07:30,060 --> 00:07:31,200 Are are Taliban. 102 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,180 Soldiers is already happening. 103 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:39,330 It's not just this mythical idea of quote unquote, the Western world 104 00:07:39,390 --> 00:07:44,880 freedom, but it's actual, it's actual civil rights that were fought for that. 105 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:50,940 The Afghan people valued and appreciated as we'll get into later on in this 106 00:07:50,940 --> 00:07:56,400 episode, actually hearing from people on the ground and what they feel and 107 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:58,680 think about everything that's happened. 108 00:08:04,590 --> 00:08:06,599 It is just heartbreaking. 109 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,159 It is heartbreaking to see, and my suspicion. 110 00:08:12,599 --> 00:08:18,320 Is that as the people saw that the government was not going to, to rally 111 00:08:18,650 --> 00:08:23,299 that the military was not going to rally, it would be makes sense to me to 112 00:08:23,299 --> 00:08:28,820 say, well, I'm not going to fight back against the Taliban because if indeed 113 00:08:28,849 --> 00:08:33,530 the government is just going to fold and fall over that this was just a front 114 00:08:33,530 --> 00:08:35,900 that was being supported by the U S. 115 00:08:36,490 --> 00:08:41,020 Troops and forces for all, for all these 20 years, but there was no 116 00:08:41,020 --> 00:08:45,520 substance of backbone behind the military to unite against the Taliban. 117 00:08:45,850 --> 00:08:50,470 Then I would almost in the same, same side, be like, yeah, I'm not 118 00:08:50,470 --> 00:08:55,960 going to try to fight against the Taliban as they roll through my stuff. 119 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,770 As they roll through my military base. 120 00:08:58,770 --> 00:09:02,820 I'm just going to hand it over because I'm not going to be backed by the 121 00:09:02,820 --> 00:09:05,580 rest of the military and not going to be, be backed by the U S government. 122 00:09:05,580 --> 00:09:07,170 I'm not going to be backed by NATO. 123 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,910 So it's going to be better for me to surrender than try 124 00:09:11,910 --> 00:09:14,160 to fight and lose my life. 125 00:09:15,330 --> 00:09:17,250 And have my family lose their lives. 126 00:09:18,390 --> 00:09:23,340 If there is no unified support, if the nation is going to be given 127 00:09:23,340 --> 00:09:26,640 over anyways, why should I resist? 128 00:09:26,670 --> 00:09:28,590 Why should I fight? 129 00:09:29,505 --> 00:09:30,345 That's my opinion. 130 00:09:31,334 --> 00:09:37,064 Well, apparently president Biden did not foresee this happening 131 00:09:37,064 --> 00:09:38,265 as we played in those clips. 132 00:09:38,444 --> 00:09:39,944 So it is highly unlikely. 133 00:09:40,515 --> 00:09:45,314 This is nearly inconceivable, but. 134 00:09:46,115 --> 00:09:49,835 Here we are four to six weeks later from this clip. 135 00:09:53,195 --> 00:09:55,295 Afghanistan has fallen in Afghanistan. 136 00:09:55,295 --> 00:10:01,865 It has now turned into, or if not turning into the, the Islamic Emirate 137 00:10:02,225 --> 00:10:08,165 of Afghanistan with the Taliban, having taken full control over it, 138 00:10:08,165 --> 00:10:11,465 the military now in the same press conference, there was a, another. 139 00:10:12,864 --> 00:10:18,194 Brilliant, nearly prophetic, uh, question that was asked of president Biden, but 140 00:10:19,064 --> 00:10:23,714 either he either bite and just was blind. 141 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:27,830 Or, and just didn't have the foresight. 142 00:10:27,830 --> 00:10:31,530 Didn't want to see the possibilities of what would come from, just pulling 143 00:10:31,530 --> 00:10:36,150 troops out without any sort of, but without any sort of checks without 144 00:10:36,150 --> 00:10:41,190 any sort of negotiations without any sort of insurance, to make sure 145 00:10:41,190 --> 00:10:42,810 that the nation would remain safe. 146 00:10:44,084 --> 00:10:48,135 Maybe he just didn't want to see it or, or maybe he just didn't care to see 147 00:10:48,135 --> 00:10:53,535 it, or maybe no one saw this coming, but here is a Biden being asked about. 148 00:10:53,535 --> 00:10:58,485 Is there any correlation, is there any resemblance between what has happened 149 00:10:58,605 --> 00:11:03,285 or what at that point would happen in Afghanistan and what happened 150 00:11:03,314 --> 00:11:05,865 all the way back in 1975 in Vietnam? 151 00:11:06,334 --> 00:11:09,965 Do you see any parallels between this withdrawal and what happened 152 00:11:09,965 --> 00:11:11,465 in Vietnam with some people feeling. 153 00:11:12,795 --> 00:11:13,605 Zero. 154 00:11:13,695 --> 00:11:17,625 What you had is you had entire gage breaking through the gates of our embassy. 155 00:11:18,285 --> 00:11:19,695 Six of I'm not mistaken. 156 00:11:20,535 --> 00:11:24,555 The Taliban is not the south, the north Vietnamese army. 157 00:11:25,305 --> 00:11:28,545 They're not, they're not remotely comparable in terms of capability. 158 00:11:28,995 --> 00:11:32,175 There's going to be no circumstance where you see people being lifted off the road. 159 00:11:32,985 --> 00:11:37,845 Of a embassy in the, of the United States from Afghanistan? 160 00:11:38,195 --> 00:11:39,695 Well, not at all comfortable. 161 00:11:40,085 --> 00:11:40,625 Oh man. 162 00:11:40,625 --> 00:11:41,555 He got this half, right? 163 00:11:41,855 --> 00:11:42,695 He got this half, right. 164 00:11:42,695 --> 00:11:47,285 That it's not comparable to Vietnam because there was no fighting. 165 00:11:48,079 --> 00:11:52,550 There was th th th the Taliban just walked into the city. 166 00:11:52,550 --> 00:11:56,569 They just walked through the nation with virtually zero resistance. 167 00:11:56,569 --> 00:12:00,650 There's a couple of cities where there was fighting and resistance for about a day. 168 00:12:01,459 --> 00:12:06,050 Other than that, th the Capitol itself did not resist at. 169 00:12:09,089 --> 00:12:12,359 But , he kind of had it half, right. 170 00:12:12,900 --> 00:12:19,770 American troops weren't being pulled off of the roof of the embassy, 171 00:12:20,819 --> 00:12:24,930 but helicopters right now are going back and forth, trying to evacuate 172 00:12:24,959 --> 00:12:29,640 all the American citizens, all the U S staff destroy the sensitive 173 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,010 documents within the, the embassy. 174 00:12:32,810 --> 00:12:38,140 There've been videos coming out of stacks, black smoke coming up from the embassy as 175 00:12:38,140 --> 00:12:44,920 the burn sensitive documents and work to destroy everything Biden even w was caught 176 00:12:45,310 --> 00:12:49,360 was even begging, begging the Taliban. 177 00:12:49,510 --> 00:12:50,740 Please, please, please. 178 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,020 Whatever you do, don't don't take our embassy. 179 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:54,880 Don't take our embassy. 180 00:12:56,439 --> 00:13:01,329 You know, if, if you're coming into, into the Capitol spare our embassy, please. 181 00:13:03,450 --> 00:13:09,230 And I'm sure that the Taliban probably will do that because they know that. 182 00:13:10,155 --> 00:13:16,035 If they strike back against the U S forces as they are running well, 183 00:13:17,205 --> 00:13:21,165 if you're going to kick a dog, as it runs, the dog is likely to turn 184 00:13:21,165 --> 00:13:22,845 around and nip you and bite you. 185 00:13:22,845 --> 00:13:23,655 And they don't want that. 186 00:13:23,685 --> 00:13:25,635 They have, they have their victory. 187 00:13:25,785 --> 00:13:26,925 America is pulling out. 188 00:13:26,925 --> 00:13:29,745 So it makes sense that they are not going to storm. 189 00:13:30,290 --> 00:13:32,810 The U S embassy. 190 00:13:32,990 --> 00:13:34,400 So Biden has it half, right. 191 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:43,100 But when you look at pictures from 1975 in Saigon, in Vietnam, where helicopters 192 00:13:43,100 --> 00:13:48,530 were flying over the U S embassy, pulling people out, pulling, uh, Vietnamese. 193 00:13:49,370 --> 00:13:55,579 Out of Vietnam, as they slowly pulled the Americans out of the embassy, they 194 00:13:55,579 --> 00:13:59,050 intentionally, these helicopters were sent just to get the, the American 195 00:13:59,050 --> 00:14:01,030 staff and to get the ambassador. 196 00:14:01,030 --> 00:14:05,589 But the ambassador said no way, I'm I going to just abandon all these 197 00:14:05,589 --> 00:14:09,520 south Vietnamese people, they are getting on these helicopters too. 198 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:11,920 And so they evacuated. 199 00:14:12,830 --> 00:14:17,180 Uh, hundreds of south Vietnamese people from the U S embassy and the 200 00:14:17,180 --> 00:14:19,070 same thing is happening right now. 201 00:14:19,070 --> 00:14:26,090 We have a similar image from the embassy in Afghanistan with, with a helicopter 202 00:14:26,300 --> 00:14:32,630 flying over the embassy landing on the embassy grounds, pulling out U S staff. 203 00:14:34,645 --> 00:14:39,865 Translators people who've worked with the U S military and the 204 00:14:39,865 --> 00:14:45,985 situation there outside, uh, outside of the embassy is quite horrible. 205 00:14:46,194 --> 00:14:51,775 There are, the streets are packed with cars, jam packed that. 206 00:14:52,420 --> 00:14:55,300 The military bases have fallen to the Taliban. 207 00:14:55,300 --> 00:14:57,820 The airport has fallen to the Taliban. 208 00:14:58,420 --> 00:15:03,760 Uh, people were, had been trying to get out for days, and yet now all 209 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,550 of the boarding border crossings, all of the border crossings 210 00:15:06,550 --> 00:15:08,710 are controlled by the Taliban. 211 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:15,370 I saw an image of, uh, of people standing in line trying to get passport. 212 00:15:16,185 --> 00:15:18,375 So that they could attempt to leave the country. 213 00:15:18,375 --> 00:15:21,735 The line was five there's, one office in Kabul. 214 00:15:22,365 --> 00:15:24,464 The line was 5,000 people. 215 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:33,030 Another image of the one office where you can get a special emergency visa 216 00:15:33,510 --> 00:15:38,280 as a political refugee to America or con Canada, or even Qatar. 217 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:39,630 Right now they're taking some people. 218 00:15:40,500 --> 00:15:44,280 There's one guy who's doing the English translation with hundreds of 219 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,110 people packed in, standing in line. 220 00:15:46,110 --> 00:15:49,010 And that was shut down by the Taliban. 221 00:15:51,470 --> 00:15:52,550 So when he says. 222 00:15:53,315 --> 00:15:55,115 There's no resemblance. 223 00:15:55,265 --> 00:15:59,135 There's no resemblance between what has happened in 1975 224 00:15:59,345 --> 00:16:00,635 and what's happening today. 225 00:16:00,635 --> 00:16:01,595 Enough Panasonic. 226 00:16:01,775 --> 00:16:05,525 In fact, no, there's nothing but resemblance. 227 00:16:05,765 --> 00:16:09,695 There's nothing but resemblance in a 20 year war. 228 00:16:10,905 --> 00:16:12,555 That has now a mounted in nothing. 229 00:16:12,945 --> 00:16:15,495 And just the, the tucking tail and running there. 230 00:16:15,525 --> 00:16:22,515 There's nothing but resemblance between people fighting and running to get out. 231 00:16:23,445 --> 00:16:27,075 A lot of people I've heard, you know, say, well, you know, what do the 232 00:16:27,075 --> 00:16:30,285 people on the ground thing, maybe, maybe this is a positive thing. 233 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:33,120 It's not a positive thing. 234 00:16:33,300 --> 00:16:38,340 When people are rushing to the airports, when the streets are packed and crowded, 235 00:16:38,340 --> 00:16:43,230 as people are trying to flee the city because they fear for their lives. 236 00:16:46,005 --> 00:16:51,825 Oftentimes, we like to make these, these correlations that, oh, well, 237 00:16:51,885 --> 00:16:55,695 you know, America and the American troops are no worse than the 238 00:16:55,695 --> 00:16:58,035 Taliban and the Taliban troops. 239 00:16:58,935 --> 00:17:04,185 If that is true, if that is true, then why is everyone trying to get out? 240 00:17:04,665 --> 00:17:06,255 Why are people fleeing? 241 00:17:06,285 --> 00:17:08,595 There's actually a vast difference. 242 00:17:08,775 --> 00:17:09,975 There is a vast difference. 243 00:17:10,790 --> 00:17:14,239 It doesn't mean that America's without corruption doesn't mean that American 244 00:17:14,239 --> 00:17:15,800 troops haven't done wicked things. 245 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:17,629 That is all true. 246 00:17:17,629 --> 00:17:19,969 Doesn't mean that there, there is no blood on our hands. 247 00:17:19,969 --> 00:17:25,609 It doesn't even mean that we had a, that going into Afghanistan was 248 00:17:25,699 --> 00:17:27,560 a good idea in the first place. 249 00:17:28,159 --> 00:17:33,320 But I am saying it, it says something when you see the people of Afghanistan 250 00:17:33,409 --> 00:17:39,199 fleeing to get out, because they do not want to be under the regime. 251 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:47,080 Of the Taliban, this, I don't know who this is good for. 252 00:17:48,340 --> 00:17:53,170 It doesn't seem like this would be a very good move for us policy 253 00:17:53,170 --> 00:17:56,440 to just let this happen or further their standing in the world. 254 00:17:56,950 --> 00:17:57,850 Uh, Russia. 255 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:02,620 However, in China, they have made relationships with the total. 256 00:18:03,335 --> 00:18:07,385 And the, the Talibani government, they, the Russian embassy is 257 00:18:07,385 --> 00:18:10,595 staying there in, uh, in Kabul. 258 00:18:10,805 --> 00:18:15,605 I know that the UK is trying to get their people out, uh, as well as 259 00:18:15,605 --> 00:18:17,135 India is getting their people out. 260 00:18:18,095 --> 00:18:20,045 In matter of fact, the Taliban. 261 00:18:20,775 --> 00:18:26,115 As sieged and not even see it, it wasn't even a war have, have entered 262 00:18:26,115 --> 00:18:31,005 into Kabul today on the 15th, which is the anniversary of India's independent. 263 00:18:31,005 --> 00:18:36,645 And some of my sources are saying that that is intentional because India is, 264 00:18:36,675 --> 00:18:40,635 has not opened up any sort of diplomatic relationships with the Taliban. 265 00:18:40,905 --> 00:18:45,225 And so the fact that the Taliban is pushing forward so quickly to move 266 00:18:45,255 --> 00:18:49,455 in and sign power on the same day of Indian independence, many people. 267 00:18:50,699 --> 00:18:57,500 If this is a, a, uh, uh, not a happy wink, but a wink, insane, any sort of 268 00:18:57,620 --> 00:19:01,939 resistance or counteractions from the Indian government will not be tolerated. 269 00:19:02,209 --> 00:19:04,070 We have our eye on you. 270 00:19:04,070 --> 00:19:05,030 We know what's going on. 271 00:19:05,629 --> 00:19:08,719 Uh, all in all. 272 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,410 This is shocking. 273 00:19:12,410 --> 00:19:16,880 Of course, I do not think people saw this coming and people, people said, 274 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:20,420 you know, within a couple of weeks, couple of my fall, and then it was 275 00:19:20,420 --> 00:19:23,060 within 72 hours, couple of my fault. 276 00:19:23,350 --> 00:19:25,660 And now it's, it was 48 hours later. 277 00:19:25,660 --> 00:19:26,500 Not, and not only. 278 00:19:27,254 --> 00:19:33,315 Was there no resistance, but the president resigned and he and I, again, 279 00:19:33,915 --> 00:19:38,495 I have a level of empathy after 20 years of fighting 20 years of bliss, 280 00:19:40,264 --> 00:19:48,754 the president Vani said in a previous statement, I will not let the imposed 281 00:19:48,754 --> 00:19:51,665 war on people cause more deaths. 282 00:19:53,024 --> 00:19:53,585 That's what he said. 283 00:19:53,585 --> 00:19:54,195 He said, you know what? 284 00:19:54,315 --> 00:19:55,485 We've had so many deaths. 285 00:19:55,514 --> 00:19:58,245 I am not going to continue this war. 286 00:19:59,655 --> 00:20:03,465 In other words, if the Taliban come in, I am going to fold and I'm 287 00:20:03,465 --> 00:20:06,825 going to give them power because I do not want to see any more 288 00:20:06,825 --> 00:20:09,645 bloodshed of the Afghan people now. 289 00:20:10,770 --> 00:20:15,120 It time will tell time will tell what is true regarding this. 290 00:20:16,139 --> 00:20:22,939 But the question, the question stands for so many is okay, are we, are we giving up? 291 00:20:23,699 --> 00:20:27,709 And are we winning a temporary victory? 292 00:20:28,010 --> 00:20:28,879 Call it of lives. 293 00:20:28,879 --> 00:20:29,179 This ain't no. 294 00:20:29,179 --> 00:20:30,770 Hey, we're not going to go to war right now. 295 00:20:30,770 --> 00:20:32,030 We're not going to fight now. 296 00:20:32,030 --> 00:20:32,959 We're not going to resist. 297 00:20:32,959 --> 00:20:33,169 Now. 298 00:20:33,169 --> 00:20:35,300 We're going to preserve lives now. 299 00:20:35,300 --> 00:20:40,675 So that in the future, We can, we can be preserved. 300 00:20:41,695 --> 00:20:43,075 Are we going to save lives now? 301 00:20:43,645 --> 00:20:50,005 But what happens when the Taliban truly go back to how they were in the nineties? 302 00:20:50,575 --> 00:20:53,335 Will they suffer a greater loss later? 303 00:20:53,455 --> 00:20:56,665 Will they suffer a greater loss under that regime will their 304 00:20:56,665 --> 00:21:01,555 children and their girls suffer a greater loss underneath that regime. 305 00:21:01,585 --> 00:21:02,245 And it would have been. 306 00:21:02,754 --> 00:21:07,465 If they fought now better if they stood their ground now and made sure that not 307 00:21:07,465 --> 00:21:13,165 one of those provinces were lost to the Taliban starting a number of weeks ago, 308 00:21:13,375 --> 00:21:15,084 which would have signaled straight. 309 00:21:15,945 --> 00:21:22,544 To their military, but instead weakness was signaled and, and the 310 00:21:22,544 --> 00:21:25,274 Taliban has, has now come into power. 311 00:21:26,084 --> 00:21:31,695 And, uh, that ends, that ends a 20 year conflict. 312 00:21:31,965 --> 00:21:35,564 And that does it does put it on the same footing, the same ground we're 313 00:21:35,564 --> 00:21:38,625 seeing nearly identical images. 314 00:21:39,660 --> 00:21:49,320 From Vietnam from 1975 to what we're seeing today in Afghanistan in 2021. 315 00:21:51,260 --> 00:21:51,620 Yeah. 316 00:21:51,620 --> 00:21:52,670 That makes sense. 317 00:21:53,210 --> 00:21:58,370 A post-truth society where we have exchanged truth for lies and reason 318 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,650 for postmodern irrationality. 319 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,980 The absurd finally make sense. 320 00:22:04,010 --> 00:22:04,970 And there is. 321 00:22:05,794 --> 00:22:13,324 Of absurdity that is going on, uh, in the geopolitics surrounding what has happened 322 00:22:13,354 --> 00:22:16,955 and is happening quite now in Afghanistan. 323 00:22:17,195 --> 00:22:25,324 Here is Jen Saki, uh, commenting on, uh, the Taliban's place in the, in the 324 00:22:25,324 --> 00:22:30,655 international community, and also has to make an assessment about what they want 325 00:22:30,655 --> 00:22:32,094 their role to be in the international. 326 00:22:32,985 --> 00:22:37,695 The Taliban has to make an assessment of who and where they want to be 327 00:22:37,905 --> 00:22:39,315 in the international community. 328 00:22:39,315 --> 00:22:41,925 Do you know this, this idea? 329 00:22:42,735 --> 00:22:46,725 It comes back to some things we've touched on already in today's 330 00:22:46,725 --> 00:22:50,235 show is that multiculturalism? 331 00:22:50,845 --> 00:22:54,625 Is a good thing and yes, it's great to have diversity. 332 00:22:54,865 --> 00:23:00,385 Not everyone needs to be cookie cutter, shake shapes, uh, there a multitude of 333 00:23:00,385 --> 00:23:05,185 cultures in the world, and it's great that each culture has their own expression. 334 00:23:05,514 --> 00:23:09,175 I love that, but what gets tricky is. 335 00:23:09,774 --> 00:23:14,485 It becomes not just an embracing of diversity and multiple cultures, 336 00:23:14,485 --> 00:23:18,715 but it becomes multi-cultural ism within multi-cultural ism. 337 00:23:18,955 --> 00:23:20,125 It's this idea. 338 00:23:20,305 --> 00:23:24,895 That's the idea is that every idea has equal footing. 339 00:23:25,195 --> 00:23:29,875 That everyone's cultural is equally good that everyone, you know, some 340 00:23:29,875 --> 00:23:34,685 people might express their, their politics differently, but over. 341 00:23:35,620 --> 00:23:36,550 It's all the same. 342 00:23:37,209 --> 00:23:38,530 It all has the same outcome. 343 00:23:38,530 --> 00:23:40,870 We're all basically unequal footing. 344 00:23:41,889 --> 00:23:46,209 There is a level when you look at humanity as a whole, yes, we 345 00:23:46,209 --> 00:23:48,520 are all are on the same footing. 346 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:50,080 We all. 347 00:23:50,570 --> 00:23:52,640 Hearts that are wickedly disciple. 348 00:23:53,540 --> 00:23:58,460 We have a propensity to evil and benevolence it's inside of each 349 00:23:58,490 --> 00:24:04,010 and every human being, but the constitution of a society, the 350 00:24:04,010 --> 00:24:05,900 way that a society is structured. 351 00:24:07,125 --> 00:24:11,505 And the ideas that informed that structure actually have a vast difference on 352 00:24:11,505 --> 00:24:14,165 the outcomes that that society will. 353 00:24:15,545 --> 00:24:21,665 And we, we, we witnessed this throughout socialistic or, or socialism or communism 354 00:24:21,875 --> 00:24:26,705 when you take the ideas of communism and you apply it to a society, you see the. 355 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,139 The same thing when it comes to capitalism, when you apply the 356 00:24:31,139 --> 00:24:35,610 ideas of capitalism to a society, you see the outcome, what's the 357 00:24:35,610 --> 00:24:40,650 outcome of communism, poverty, mass, mass destruction, mass starvation. 358 00:24:40,650 --> 00:24:42,330 It's happened every time. 359 00:24:42,570 --> 00:24:45,210 What is the outcome of, of ideas like capitalism? 360 00:24:46,209 --> 00:24:49,419 Th the freedom to work and to keep what you make. 361 00:24:50,229 --> 00:24:56,500 Well, the ideas from that is the reduction of poverty lifting billions of people out 362 00:24:56,500 --> 00:24:58,689 of poverty over the last a hundred years. 363 00:25:01,095 --> 00:25:03,975 Different ideas do have different fruits and different outcomes. 364 00:25:03,975 --> 00:25:10,695 But when we take like Jen Saki is doing right here saying, well, they just have 365 00:25:10,695 --> 00:25:14,925 to decide who they want to be at the table of the international community. 366 00:25:15,705 --> 00:25:19,665 That's implying that we're all on equal footing, that their ideas 367 00:25:20,325 --> 00:25:24,825 about women or women's rights or girls or freedom of speech, freedom 368 00:25:24,825 --> 00:25:25,965 of religion, freedom of thought. 369 00:25:27,075 --> 00:25:29,175 That well, they're all pretty much the same. 370 00:25:30,585 --> 00:25:35,835 Well, apparently not all people think that they're the same, of 371 00:25:35,835 --> 00:25:41,385 course the west, uh, especially as we've embraced postmodernism, 372 00:25:41,595 --> 00:25:44,504 everybody's we have embraced globalism. 373 00:25:44,715 --> 00:25:46,335 We say, well, it's all the same. 374 00:25:46,965 --> 00:25:49,195 It's you know, we're all. 375 00:25:50,205 --> 00:25:53,805 Making it together, whatever, whatever your relative truth 376 00:25:53,805 --> 00:25:55,034 is, is your relative truth. 377 00:25:55,215 --> 00:25:59,715 But when you live in the country, when you live in the situation, 378 00:25:59,745 --> 00:26:02,415 it becomes much different. 379 00:26:02,415 --> 00:26:05,504 Here is a clip from NPR. 380 00:26:06,450 --> 00:26:11,580 Talking about the, the status on the ground, uh, in Afghanistan, 381 00:26:12,350 --> 00:26:15,320 in the areas of the Taliban have conquered, though, it all looks a 382 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,510 little too familiar to most Afghans. 383 00:26:17,690 --> 00:26:22,490 The Taliban has not changed at all in their conduct on the ground Hossain hook. 384 00:26:22,490 --> 00:26:25,910 Connie is a former Pakistani ambassador to the U S who is 385 00:26:25,910 --> 00:26:27,320 now at the Hudson Institute. 386 00:26:27,620 --> 00:26:27,800 Yeah. 387 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,400 So in the areas that the tolerance. 388 00:26:31,945 --> 00:26:35,695 Have been controlling over, over the last weeks. 389 00:26:36,415 --> 00:26:38,485 We see that it has not changed. 390 00:26:38,635 --> 00:26:40,405 It has not changed since the nineties. 391 00:26:40,885 --> 00:26:42,565 So they've, they've brilliantly. 392 00:26:42,675 --> 00:26:48,075 I figured out how to rebrand themselves, how to put a new face on the Taliban. 393 00:26:48,105 --> 00:26:49,875 Thanks to multiculturalism. 394 00:26:50,625 --> 00:26:52,965 You know, what, what seat at the table do you want to have now 395 00:26:52,965 --> 00:26:56,655 that you you're buddy, buddy, up with the powers of the west. 396 00:26:57,705 --> 00:27:02,145 Just let us know, you know, what sort of font you want and you'll be fine. 397 00:27:02,145 --> 00:27:02,715 It doesn't matter. 398 00:27:02,715 --> 00:27:04,665 What's actually in the package. 399 00:27:04,665 --> 00:27:07,635 It doesn't matter what the outplay actually is. 400 00:27:07,635 --> 00:27:11,105 As long as you play along with it, the game they have been executing people, 401 00:27:11,105 --> 00:27:13,055 somatically, they have been laughing. 402 00:27:13,495 --> 00:27:16,074 Uh, women, they have been shutting down schools, they 403 00:27:16,074 --> 00:27:17,695 have been blowing up hospitals. 404 00:27:18,145 --> 00:27:22,225 Uh, the only thing that has changed is that they understand the need for a little 405 00:27:22,225 --> 00:27:24,294 more international acceptance of them. 406 00:27:24,584 --> 00:27:28,095 The last time they were in power, the Taliban were isolated from much 407 00:27:28,095 --> 00:27:29,715 of the rest of the global community. 408 00:27:30,225 --> 00:27:34,004 The U S has spent the past few years hammering out a peace deal with them. 409 00:27:34,544 --> 00:27:36,845 And in recent weeks, Taliban leaders have been to. 410 00:27:37,550 --> 00:27:41,870 Russia and China Medea also is a fellow in foreign policy 411 00:27:41,870 --> 00:27:43,370 at the Brookings institution. 412 00:27:43,780 --> 00:27:48,520 That's a problematic message because it essentially legitimizes 413 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:54,340 them without them having to engage in a reduction in violence are 414 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,260 obviously better, still a cease fire. 415 00:27:57,130 --> 00:28:01,660 Now this, this might be one of the biggest mistakes that. 416 00:28:02,429 --> 00:28:08,340 President Donald Trump made, and this is a little off the cuff, but the, one 417 00:28:08,340 --> 00:28:13,709 of the biggest mistakes he might have made is normalizing relations with, uh, 418 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,679 the Afghan now the Afghan government. 419 00:28:17,129 --> 00:28:20,699 And just as they're seen in this clip, the tolerance. 420 00:28:21,860 --> 00:28:23,929 Normalizing relationships with the Taliban government. 421 00:28:23,929 --> 00:28:24,439 Excuse me. 422 00:28:24,729 --> 00:28:29,389 The Taliban has gone to Russia has gone to Iran, has gone to China and 423 00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:34,070 they've begun to normalize all of these relationships, which really have, 424 00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:38,169 have paved away for this sweeping. 425 00:28:38,689 --> 00:28:40,370 Of of Afghanistan. 426 00:28:40,399 --> 00:28:47,030 Now, president Biden tried to lay this catastrophe at the feet of Donald Trump 427 00:28:47,030 --> 00:28:54,040 saying, no, I heard her, I inherited this deal from, uh, uh, uh, my predecessor 428 00:28:54,580 --> 00:28:58,090 and, uh, because, uh, no, because of that, it's really not my fault. 429 00:28:58,449 --> 00:29:01,449 But then you also said I'm not going to pass this on to another president. 430 00:29:03,065 --> 00:29:05,975 He's a fourth president too, to have this war and he's not going 431 00:29:05,975 --> 00:29:07,685 to pass it on, which is great. 432 00:29:07,865 --> 00:29:14,045 I don't think anyone wants to see the war passed on for, for another four years. 433 00:29:14,045 --> 00:29:19,445 No one is saying that, but I don't think anyone wanted to see America just 434 00:29:19,565 --> 00:29:25,955 jumped ship and, and let the people who have been resisting or the women or the 435 00:29:25,955 --> 00:29:30,575 children who have been going to work or setting up schools for young girls. 436 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,810 We don't want to see them put at risk their lives, put in danger because of, 437 00:29:37,860 --> 00:29:43,170 uh, president Biden, deciding just to pull, to pull people out full force. 438 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:49,680 I don't know what the deal was between Trump and, and maybe his plans of 439 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,930 how he would have pulled it out. 440 00:29:52,260 --> 00:29:57,695 But I have a feeling now knowing, uh, what we know about president Donald 441 00:29:57,695 --> 00:30:01,130 Trump, former president, Donald Trump, that he probably would not have been. 442 00:30:02,250 --> 00:30:08,670 So maybe not reckless, but just so laser fair about it, just so weak about it. 443 00:30:08,670 --> 00:30:12,840 He loves to make sure that America looks strong. 444 00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:16,590 And because of that, I have a feeling he wouldn't let this, this happened the 445 00:30:16,590 --> 00:30:18,540 weight that it has, but instead we have. 446 00:30:19,860 --> 00:30:24,000 Biden and Biden has said, you know what, this isn't my fault. 447 00:30:24,419 --> 00:30:25,620 This is Trump's fault. 448 00:30:25,770 --> 00:30:29,060 I'm not gonna take responsibility with the way that we handle it out. 449 00:30:29,300 --> 00:30:32,209 Uh, handled, pulling out I'm I don't regret it. 450 00:30:32,659 --> 00:30:37,169 And, uh, we're just going to get our people out of Afghanistan and. 451 00:30:38,405 --> 00:30:40,805 Even though he said, it's going to look nothing like Vietnam. 452 00:30:40,835 --> 00:30:43,415 It is exactly like Vietnam. 453 00:30:43,415 --> 00:30:50,435 Well, some more people on the ground about the B the stance that Afghanistan 454 00:30:50,465 --> 00:30:55,325 or that, uh, the Taliban really want to have at the international community as. 455 00:30:56,730 --> 00:30:58,440 Women are being lashed. 456 00:30:58,650 --> 00:31:03,960 People are being painted in blackface and tarred and toured around the 457 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:09,780 cities after being beaten and rash to serve them a sentence. 458 00:31:09,810 --> 00:31:12,840 Uh, people who've been accused of stealing have been, as this happened, 459 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:17,040 two executions have been happening across Afghanistan by the taller. 460 00:31:18,210 --> 00:31:22,620 So when you ask yourself, what place do they want at the table, but sort of what 461 00:31:22,620 --> 00:31:24,540 sort of reputation do they want to have? 462 00:31:24,540 --> 00:31:29,130 Well, they want to have one reputation at the international table and they want to 463 00:31:29,130 --> 00:31:31,410 run the country in a very different way. 464 00:31:31,410 --> 00:31:35,990 Here is my haboob, uh, strategy from the contacts you've been able 465 00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:37,610 to speak to around Afghanistan. 466 00:31:37,610 --> 00:31:41,360 Just tell us how women are fairing in the cities that have fallen to the Taliban. 467 00:31:44,180 --> 00:31:46,610 Um, the situation is extremely bad. 468 00:31:47,595 --> 00:31:52,335 Um, the woman that I have been talking to, or they are reporting to us, especially 469 00:31:52,605 --> 00:31:57,225 the human rights defenders or the civil society members, or just the ordinary 470 00:31:57,225 --> 00:31:59,175 people that they were working in offices. 471 00:31:59,595 --> 00:32:03,645 Uh, they are all, um, uh, leaving, uh, most of these people. 472 00:32:04,620 --> 00:32:09,629 Um, especially from condos area and you're trying to get to some safe 473 00:32:09,629 --> 00:32:13,710 places, whatever they are, some of them are trying to come to Cabo or go 474 00:32:13,710 --> 00:32:15,690 to Mazari Sharif with their families. 475 00:32:16,050 --> 00:32:21,590 So the situation is extremely bad and one in what makes me really extremely. 476 00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:21,649 Yeah. 477 00:32:22,190 --> 00:32:23,360 Um, how should I say? 478 00:32:23,389 --> 00:32:28,370 Very sad is the fact that now Afghanistan and the lives of the 479 00:32:28,370 --> 00:32:32,480 African people has become a subject of the Twitters of the world. 480 00:32:33,195 --> 00:32:38,385 And the, and, and just, you know, uh, places like the United nations 481 00:32:38,415 --> 00:32:42,825 or they're all, you know, treating now about Afghanistan and that's all 482 00:32:42,825 --> 00:32:44,355 they're going to be doing about it. 483 00:32:46,274 --> 00:32:49,845 And everybody is just watching to see what's going to be happening. 484 00:32:50,175 --> 00:32:52,335 I don't know what it is that they're all expecting. 485 00:32:52,665 --> 00:32:54,495 That is going to happen in games though. 486 00:32:54,575 --> 00:32:55,314 Well, I think Mr. 487 00:32:55,314 --> 00:32:58,865 Rogers, this she is so right here it is. 488 00:32:59,314 --> 00:33:06,455 Afghanistan has moved from actual steps that can be taken to help Afghan people 489 00:33:07,715 --> 00:33:10,175 and arguably some of it wasn't good. 490 00:33:11,655 --> 00:33:15,764 Arguably, there were mistakes made, but here this, this Afghan woman is 491 00:33:15,764 --> 00:33:19,725 saying now it's, it's just going to be something that gets tabled at the UN. 492 00:33:20,324 --> 00:33:23,895 And it's just going to get shuffled and buried underneath global warming. 493 00:33:23,925 --> 00:33:26,685 It's going to get shuffled and buried against, uh, the 494 00:33:26,685 --> 00:33:29,475 LGBTQ rights across the globe. 495 00:33:29,834 --> 00:33:34,544 It's going to be shuffled and Berry as another line item that people 496 00:33:34,544 --> 00:33:36,854 are going to pontificate about as. 497 00:33:37,555 --> 00:33:41,425 Very little will end up getting done for the Afghan people, 498 00:33:43,215 --> 00:33:44,385 to all of us that they want. 499 00:33:44,445 --> 00:33:45,495 I don't understand it. 500 00:33:45,585 --> 00:33:46,635 I really don't understand. 501 00:33:46,695 --> 00:33:51,690 The situation is really about . Uh, by this Mr. 502 00:33:51,690 --> 00:33:55,140 Raja, I'm sure that many people are wishing the people of Afghanistan all 503 00:33:55,140 --> 00:34:00,720 the very best and hoping that the, and she has a point here is, is it the death? 504 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:06,680 Is it the death of, of the, did you want to all of us that they want? 505 00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:07,790 I don't understand it. 506 00:34:07,820 --> 00:34:07,910 Okay. 507 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:16,350 Well, she goes on in this interview with TRT world and she just lays 508 00:34:16,410 --> 00:34:23,250 into the, the ruling elite of the world who are really just using 509 00:34:23,250 --> 00:34:26,160 Afghanistan as a pawn in their own game. 510 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:27,570 Not seeming to. 511 00:34:29,580 --> 00:34:34,409 Not seeming to take care and to consider or use empathy or, or use 512 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:40,109 caution when it comes to the health and safety of the most vulnerable 513 00:34:40,109 --> 00:34:43,040 Afghan people to those one readers. 514 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,719 I'm going to say it really shame on you. 515 00:34:45,230 --> 00:34:48,170 I'm going to say to the whole world, shame on you for, for 516 00:34:48,170 --> 00:34:49,639 what you did to Afghanistan. 517 00:34:49,850 --> 00:34:52,759 Why did you have to do what you did and why you're doing 518 00:34:52,759 --> 00:34:53,960 this to this part of the world? 519 00:34:53,989 --> 00:34:54,230 I don't know. 520 00:34:55,380 --> 00:34:59,760 I mean, are you already using all of us or we being just the ponds in your hands? 521 00:34:59,910 --> 00:35:00,930 Is that what it is? 522 00:35:01,470 --> 00:35:05,490 I don't understand it, but I really, really, you know, the fact that we 523 00:35:05,490 --> 00:35:08,730 don't have any hopes from you and the fact that that really, I don't 524 00:35:08,730 --> 00:35:12,870 even want to talk to you at all because the talking time is over. 525 00:35:13,140 --> 00:35:15,870 We talked to you with the mom that we asked. 526 00:35:15,870 --> 00:35:20,280 We, we, we did everything and, and nobody paid any yet. 527 00:35:21,155 --> 00:35:26,385 They just made decisions with their gut feelings or whatever, all of these 528 00:35:26,385 --> 00:35:29,955 men of the world that they are in power and they are destroying what, 529 00:35:29,965 --> 00:35:31,905 something that we worked so hard for. 530 00:35:32,325 --> 00:35:36,015 What is happening in Afghanistan today is going to put this country 200. 531 00:35:36,015 --> 00:35:36,395 Yeah, yes. 532 00:35:36,395 --> 00:35:37,685 Back again. 533 00:35:38,375 --> 00:35:40,505 And how are we going to do that again? 534 00:35:40,565 --> 00:35:44,465 Again, for me, I'm not going to see anything good about this generation. 535 00:35:44,585 --> 00:35:45,755 I'm going to be gone. 536 00:35:45,755 --> 00:35:48,635 I won't even see my country doing what it's supposed to be. 537 00:35:49,470 --> 00:35:52,950 Well, not only me, but a whole lot of other people, even for the young 538 00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:54,600 generation, what are we going to do now? 539 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,720 There's going to be an Exodus of the Africans again, leaving this country. 540 00:35:58,170 --> 00:36:02,280 So what I'm going to do, we are going to sit again and fight again and lose 541 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,680 again, and then make another generation. 542 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,640 And then for, for the world to make another stupid decision and destroy 543 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,160 us all, is this what is going on? 544 00:36:11,930 --> 00:36:12,740 I don't understand it. 545 00:36:13,790 --> 00:36:16,580 This Boba, this lady. 546 00:36:18,340 --> 00:36:19,000 She's right. 547 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:25,120 That this is putting this nation 200 years back, not just 20 years 548 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:32,020 back, it was just it's this vicious, endless cycle of atrocity and war. 549 00:36:32,350 --> 00:36:38,860 As she said, all the Afghan people, th the educated people, the ones who 550 00:36:38,860 --> 00:36:43,570 were working to develop the nation, the ones that were working to develop. 551 00:36:44,895 --> 00:36:50,234 Childhood education for young girls to develop society. 552 00:36:50,234 --> 00:36:54,104 They're going to leave and they are leaving the, our fleet. 553 00:36:54,645 --> 00:36:58,035 What happens to a nation and what happens to the youth. 554 00:36:58,694 --> 00:37:03,254 And as she rightly put, is it just, are they just pawns to be 555 00:37:03,254 --> 00:37:05,595 used by the powers of the world? 556 00:37:06,464 --> 00:37:08,214 Just in one day and the next. 557 00:37:09,105 --> 00:37:14,235 Without any regard for the millions of lives that are on the line? 558 00:37:18,615 --> 00:37:20,835 It is, it is shocking days. 559 00:37:20,925 --> 00:37:22,755 It is shocking days that we are in. 560 00:37:22,965 --> 00:37:27,375 We are truly in incredible days in the earth. 561 00:37:27,765 --> 00:37:33,105 We're in the midst of a shift of times in seasons across the. 562 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:40,380 And obviously this started back in 2020 with everything that was happening and 563 00:37:40,410 --> 00:37:44,160 the globalization that's happening, but we're also seeing a massive 564 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:49,680 shifts of, of power and a swing of power, which seems to be a way from 565 00:37:49,710 --> 00:37:52,560 America in to China and to Russia. 566 00:37:53,130 --> 00:37:57,540 Uh, we are, we are in an epoch shift. 567 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,050 And we see it right now in the middle east. 568 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:06,360 We see it with deals being made between Israel and UAE and Bahrain. 569 00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:14,790 We see it with an increase of conflict between between Gaza and Hamas and Israel. 570 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:15,810 We see it. 571 00:38:16,775 --> 00:38:20,725 In Afghanistan with the Taliban coming back to power. 572 00:38:21,025 --> 00:38:26,335 What this all means, where this all, so heads we, we will, 573 00:38:26,365 --> 00:38:27,415 we will see in the future. 574 00:38:27,415 --> 00:38:33,295 Well, the show it's brought to you by listeners like you, uh, this show 575 00:38:33,295 --> 00:38:38,275 is not sponsored by mega sponsors, but it is powered by, by people 576 00:38:38,275 --> 00:38:39,895 who get value out of the show. 577 00:38:39,895 --> 00:38:40,195 And if you're. 578 00:38:40,830 --> 00:38:41,970 40 minutes in. 579 00:38:41,970 --> 00:38:46,560 I assume that you got some sort of value out of this episode, and I would ask 580 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:51,509 that you consider giving value back to the show and the value that you have 581 00:38:51,509 --> 00:38:55,680 received it, because that enables us to continue producing this content 582 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,880 in a law, making it better for you. 583 00:39:00,545 --> 00:39:05,855 The listener and thousands of people tune into the show every month to help 584 00:39:05,855 --> 00:39:10,535 them understand the arguments and the schemes that are being set up against 585 00:39:10,535 --> 00:39:14,375 them and how they can view the world. 586 00:39:15,705 --> 00:39:19,275 Their personal lives and their family lives so that they can uncover 587 00:39:19,275 --> 00:39:22,245 their purpose and own their future. 588 00:39:23,415 --> 00:39:26,985 So you can give by visiting Lucas robot.com and you can give 589 00:39:26,985 --> 00:39:28,455 your hard cold fee out there. 590 00:39:28,515 --> 00:39:36,555 Or you can get a podcast certified 2.0 app where you can stream Bitcoin as 591 00:39:36,555 --> 00:39:38,235 you listen in some of the great things. 592 00:39:39,210 --> 00:39:43,339 Some of these new podcasts apps, which is as you listen, the 593 00:39:43,350 --> 00:39:46,170 image on the podcast changes. 594 00:39:46,319 --> 00:39:50,040 So for instance, when we were talking about the, the helicopters in and 595 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:54,900 out of Vietnam and of Afghanistan, you would have seen a change in the 596 00:39:54,900 --> 00:40:00,000 image and actually seen the comparison between those two image images. 597 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:00,500 So I highly. 598 00:40:00,955 --> 00:40:05,995 If you are not listening on a podcasting 2.0 certified app that 599 00:40:05,995 --> 00:40:08,725 you visit new podcasts, apps.com. 600 00:40:09,055 --> 00:40:13,555 Do you find a app that fits you and fits your knees? 601 00:40:13,825 --> 00:40:14,635 Well, don't go away. 602 00:40:14,635 --> 00:40:19,005 We'll be right back with our closing Weaver and Lee and. 603 00:40:25,515 --> 00:40:26,145 Welcome back. 604 00:40:26,645 --> 00:40:30,005 I'm a part of the show where we take ancient wisdom and we weave it in with 605 00:40:30,005 --> 00:40:35,705 our every day lives so that we can own our future and weave our destiny. 606 00:40:35,705 --> 00:40:40,715 Well, today's quote comes from the one and only son sued the art of war. 607 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,040 What would be, it would be wrong of us not to include a 608 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,590 quote today from the art of war. 609 00:40:47,590 --> 00:40:53,350 Since we were talking about, uh, the falling of the U S military 610 00:40:53,350 --> 00:40:56,260 in Afghanistan, it's, it's not just that they've retreated. 611 00:40:56,650 --> 00:40:57,770 Uh, when you look at the. 612 00:40:59,105 --> 00:41:02,674 This all happened, but it was a clear, a clear loss. 613 00:41:02,674 --> 00:41:05,765 So no, no better place to turn. 614 00:41:05,795 --> 00:41:14,855 Then the art of war and this quote is the Supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy 615 00:41:14,884 --> 00:41:18,935 without fighting the Supreme art of war. 616 00:41:19,145 --> 00:41:22,085 Is this, do the enemy without fighting now. 617 00:41:23,070 --> 00:41:29,210 It certainly seems like the Afghanistan, Taliban army really nailed that one. 618 00:41:30,049 --> 00:41:35,420 I mean, they, they, they figured out how to hide and, and use guerrilla 619 00:41:35,420 --> 00:41:41,509 warfare and, uh, evade, the Afghani, Afghans troops, the American troops 620 00:41:41,509 --> 00:41:45,080 and the Taliban, or the, the NATO troops, excuse me, for 20 years. 621 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:51,090 They, they slept, they just waited it out for 20 years as they have 622 00:41:51,090 --> 00:41:56,370 been doing for hundreds of years, the Afghan people are warring people. 623 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,280 They, they, they, they kicked the Russians out. 624 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,060 They lost their, and the Americans, as I said, it was a fool's errand for them 625 00:42:03,060 --> 00:42:04,500 to go in and think that they could win. 626 00:42:05,310 --> 00:42:10,920 There were gains that happened as we saw, you know, even from Booba, 627 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:16,590 has she described that we've lost so much now with w with these world 628 00:42:16,590 --> 00:42:20,400 superpowers, just saying we're done with you, not fend for yourselves. 629 00:42:20,430 --> 00:42:21,000 Good luck. 630 00:42:21,570 --> 00:42:22,800 After fighting, fighting. 631 00:42:23,399 --> 00:42:24,839 20 years after. 632 00:42:25,450 --> 00:42:28,919 And it's not just like Americans came in and fought for 20 years 633 00:42:29,339 --> 00:42:33,810 or NATO came in, but the Afghan people fought for their own land. 634 00:42:33,810 --> 00:42:35,220 They fought for their own people. 635 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:40,919 Side-by-side with American troops and NATO troops and Australian troops 636 00:42:41,129 --> 00:42:44,310 for 20 years, UK troops for 20 years. 637 00:42:46,259 --> 00:42:47,640 And as she said, it's like, what? 638 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:47,879 Now? 639 00:42:47,939 --> 00:42:49,290 Now you just abandoned us. 640 00:42:50,100 --> 00:42:56,790 And all of the, all of the lives that were sacrificed for, for freedom of, as I 641 00:42:56,790 --> 00:43:03,060 said, freedom of religion, freedom of, uh, equal rights for women and young girls to 642 00:43:03,060 --> 00:43:05,160 be able to go to school and be educated. 643 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,700 Those are all going to be wiped off the board. 644 00:43:10,190 --> 00:43:12,120 It happened in two weeks, wiped off the board. 645 00:43:14,190 --> 00:43:21,690 So the Taliban, they were able to hold their breath. 646 00:43:22,635 --> 00:43:23,805 Wait for the right moment. 647 00:43:24,315 --> 00:43:29,085 Move the right chess pieces, get the right, the right influence, the right 648 00:43:29,205 --> 00:43:35,775 international recognition from, from nations like America, Russia, China, Iran. 649 00:43:36,075 --> 00:43:36,885 So that. 650 00:43:37,555 --> 00:43:43,825 In the inevitable day that America would finally leave, they would be able 651 00:43:43,825 --> 00:43:45,745 to subdue the enemy without fighting. 652 00:43:45,955 --> 00:43:46,495 And they did. 653 00:43:46,645 --> 00:43:50,845 They walked straight into the Capitol and they were given the 654 00:43:50,845 --> 00:43:54,984 keys to the kingdom without a fight. 655 00:43:56,439 --> 00:44:03,430 So hand clap to the Taliban for winning this, the Supreme art of war metal. 656 00:44:03,790 --> 00:44:04,779 Uh, you win. 657 00:44:05,649 --> 00:44:06,810 Absolutely. 658 00:44:06,879 --> 00:44:13,480 I mean, clear as day there, it took them 20 years. 659 00:44:13,660 --> 00:44:19,210 They realized, you know, the quote before the proverb, before. 660 00:44:19,870 --> 00:44:25,480 This sun Tzu quote, it says, hence to fight and conquer in all your battles is 661 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,360 not Supreme excellence in his translation. 662 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:33,670 It says Supreme excellence consists of breaking the enemy's 663 00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:36,009 resistance without fighting. 664 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,520 And this is what the Taliban did. 665 00:44:39,819 --> 00:44:40,509 They said, you know what? 666 00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:43,810 We're not going to win all of our battles because that's not Supreme 667 00:44:43,870 --> 00:44:48,069 excellence, but we are going to break American's resistance. 668 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:53,520 Without fighting and they, it took them 20 years to do it, but nearly 20 669 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,630 years to the day they did, they did. 670 00:44:57,810 --> 00:45:02,840 So if, if we're handing out metals on this show, the Taliban would get the 671 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,230 metal for the Supreme court, heart of war. 672 00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:08,630 Well, that's all for today's episode. 673 00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:10,520 You can get more out of this show. 674 00:45:11,305 --> 00:45:14,845 Sharing the show with other people, you don't, you don't even have to send the 675 00:45:14,845 --> 00:45:18,265 actual podcast to someone, but when you talk about it, when you talk about it 676 00:45:18,265 --> 00:45:23,335 with your friends, families, coworkers, it actually causes you to build community. 677 00:45:23,575 --> 00:45:28,255 When people send me podcasts or shows, I always feel loved. 678 00:45:28,255 --> 00:45:29,755 It makes me know that they are. 679 00:45:30,420 --> 00:45:30,990 Of me. 680 00:45:30,990 --> 00:45:37,440 So build your community, share this content and build a language around, 681 00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:42,930 around cultural pillars to be one aware what's happening in the world so 682 00:45:42,930 --> 00:45:48,480 that you can guard yourself from the schemes that are aiming to take you, 683 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:54,480 your family and your community out, because it is when we pursue truth. 684 00:45:55,530 --> 00:46:01,590 When we continue to seek out truth, that is the thing that opens up 685 00:46:01,620 --> 00:46:04,020 the door to understand the world. 686 00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,140 And if we can understand the world and can figure out how to navigate 687 00:46:07,380 --> 00:46:11,460 through it much like the Taliban did, they figured it out and they, they 688 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,440 now own Afghanistan that's for sure. 689 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,830 So go out this week, your future.