Mike Walker(00:01.294)
I'm Mike Walker.

I'm David Patrick.

Dad's on books, two minutes later. But we are dads on books. We're addicted to books, we sit on books, and we even talk about books.

Welcome another episode of Dads on Books. Well, hello to another episode of Dads on Books. I'm Mike and David is getting situated in his seat. I think he grabbed a phone book to sit on so that he'd be higher while I looked at him on the screen.

I'm old school man. Totally. how I gained height. Phone books. For you younger listeners out there, when we were your age, you had to look up people's names and numbers in a giant thick book called

Mike Walker(00:50.318)
Phonebook. Yes. And probably I would bet that people after 20 years past us probably don't know as much about the phonebook. That's true. Although I believe there are still phonebooks out there. Yeah, phonebooks. Really weird. Who would have thought they'd make a comeback?

Are you serious?

David Patrick(01:12.674)
Well, maybe either it's sort of the nostalgic phase or something or craze, but it also could be a marketing thing. Like people go, huh, a phone book and they pay more attention.

because that's where you found the pizza.

That's right, detention will be paid. And AAA pizza was always the best pizza for some reason.

Yeah, because you never got past A. A? Sorry, turned to Canada there for a second.

Judge. Welcome back to the United States. How can I help you?

Mike Walker(01:40.738)
The time has come, the Walrus said, talk of many things. And we're going to talk of one thing in particular as I hold up my book, Underground, by David. There you go.

David McCully. So we picked this book. It was a teamwork kind of thing. Yeah. I see you saying we, we. I had mentioned Castle, which I thought was the first book that David McCully did in the seventies. Turns out it was Pyramid. And these were books that I read as a kid, loved them. Don't remember how I discovered them. It may have simple been my mom said, Hey, look at this. Or I found it at the library, but they're very, very detailed drawings of

the creation of generally fictitional castles or cathedrals. The story is fictitional, but the process, the architecture, all of that is extremely accurate to the way they were done back in the day. So I mentioned-

In the day, do we still say that about Egypt?

No, maybe that's back in the millennium. Who knows? But I mentioned these to you, Mike, and I mentioned all of the books that David McCully did. And do you remember why you picked this particular one? Underground.

Mike Walker(02:42.776)
There you go.

Mike Walker(02:56.398)
Probably I had some reference to World War II and the underground in Paris fighting back against the Nazis. No? That wasn't it? okay.

I'm not going to say you didn't think that, but I'm quite sure you didn't say that.

What did I say? Because I don't remember.

That's awesome. No, was simply the books that David McCully did pyramid, castle, cathedral city, which was an ancient Roman city. Underground was the only one that was modern. It was today. And you said, Hey, let's do that one. And there's some cool, unique things about it, which we'll get into.

I think I also picked it because you hadn't read it. Really? Because you talked about a pyramid, I think, and cathedral? Are those two that you read when you were a kid?

David Patrick(03:48.206)
think I read all of them. okay. But I think here's what you're thinking. I currently have my original copies of Pyramid and Castle.

That's what it was. And I said, you don't have this one, so let's get it and read it. I love it. I don't know why I did that. I wanted you to buy something. Because you haven't bought enough.

I know. There's been an absurd uptick in book purchases in North Central Texas over the past five months and the algorithms can't figure out why.

Well, as soon as they do, we'll have a hit show on our hands.

Exactly. So we both bought the book and we both read it. And a lot of the things I remember about this book specifically and David McCully in general all came back to me. It's why I loved him when I was, you know, seven, eight years old. What did you think Mike, as a new fan or a new reader?

Mike Walker(04:42.19)
As a new reader, I received the book in the mail and I got it and thought, oh, wow, that's, um, that's going to take me forever to read. Yeah. Because it's, mean, it's not super thick, but we also decided to do this book last week. And I was like, I still have, um, little house on the prairie books I have to finish. Which I did finish last night. And I also yesterday finished underground. Oh, you did. I did both.

But I realized after I sat down and got to about page 60. Yeah, actually, I think it was page 60 because that's where I started taking notes and putting little post-its into my book. And then I went back to figure out if there were other things in it. Anyway, I digress. The point is I thought that it was going to be kind of boring because it's about

planning a city. Which, I still am not totally loving the idea of reading a book about the underground part of a city, but I will say I learn a lot. And I'm glad I read it, because there's a lot of things about every city that I didn't know.

So you're not necessarily liking the book, although it sounds like...

I like the book. I don't love the book. Would I read more of David McCauley's books? Probably because it's piqued an interest in me. I have an interest in architecture and things like that as he did since he was going to school to do architectural design and then skewed off of that and ended up writing books like this about architecture basically.

Mike Walker(06:34.444)
So was very interesting, his career path.

Hey, I researched them also.

know which made me have to research.

You need to out research me.

I didn't have to out research you, I just had to have something. Cause I'm the research guy. And it'd be weird.

David Patrick(06:48.398)
Right. Right. If I did research and you didn't, everyone would go, wait a second. Dads. Yeah, I did some research as well because I just wonder how did he get into doing this? And you're right. He not only went to architecture school, he went to probably the most famous one in the entire country, RISD, Rhode Island School of Design, and studied all of this. But

Where would we be? This would be books on Dac.

David Patrick(07:14.988)
There was a specific moment in the book that actually made me put it down and go do some research.

Interesting, what was that point?

Well, I don't know exactly where it is, it's, you most, has a lot of things labeled and we'll get into the overall description of the book in just a second, but he labels lots of things, pipes and tools and all the different things. But there's, forgot where it was. Cause since you and I are switching roles in this book, I have page numbers and stuff, but I don't have all my post-its and stickies in here, but there is a point where he labels something in handwriting and it's like.

the architecture font. Like if you look at blueprints and all that, I guess they teach you that handwriting at places like Rhode Island School of Design. And then I thought, huh, was he an architect or did he study architecture? And of course he did. But it was looking at that font back before people even cared what fonts were. I was like, ooh, that font must be architecture, Helvetica, bold or something.

I think it's on page nine. it's that early? The site plan. Existing building. Street. Sidewalk. Yeah. Maybe.

David Patrick(08:22.68)
Yeah, you're probably right. And knowing me, I probably didn't notice it on page nine and it's deeper into the book. And that's when I thought, hey, the font. But do you want to go and explain to our listeners who have not read or did not read this book in advance, especially since you're new, I understand his style. He has a sense of humor and there's all kinds of neat things. And all of those that I remember are in this book. So for me, it was like, yeah. But as a new reader, what did you think?

So it's very interesting because it's mostly three colors, brown, well, sorry, two colors, brown and black, because white's not a color, as David told me several, several moons ago. So all of the drawings are in pen, and then there is some brown color that is put into the pictures, lots of dirt that looks brown, but it's all

line drawings and very architectural looking. And there are a lot of pictures and a lot of pictures from really views that you don't think of, like underneath a building, off to the side, at the bottom of pillars, so that you see what is holding the building up. it's really, it's kind of disjointed.

I don't even know if that's a word disjointing. yes. It made my head feel disjointed because you're looking up at something in a way that you wouldn't normally. Yes. But it also creates, it creates in your mind, like a real visualization of how instead of looking from the top down or from the side, you look at a building, you're like, there's the building from the floor up and maybe there's basements and parking garage underneath. But I

Probably is.

Mike Walker(10:17.826)
don't really think about what's really the foundation of the building. And that's where he starts with how different foundations are built.

It's probably half the book, maybe even more, which I found to be interesting. And it's 110 pages, so it's long.

It is long, the amount of the written part is not huge. It's a lot of exploring the pictures. So those are my takeaways. Pen with some brown and lots of drawings that are architectural on nature. And really, if you're into this stuff at all, you can totally get sucked in and I could see how you would read every one of his books.

I agree on all the above. I loved it. For me, it's nostalgic. I've mentioned all of that. And as the color guy, you're right. It's the two colors. with the brown, I thumbed through, there's no shades. is.

It is all the same. Yes.

David Patrick(11:15.002)
You were saying earlier about the color and I called it, I thought it's a fill. Of course it's the soil. It does, except as you mentioned, the really weird, I mean, he has cross sections, which we're used to, and he has a little bit of, you know, the plan from above. But as you said, he has the view from below and the way he does it is it's basically like, what would it look like if there were no soil and everything's floating? And

It fills everything.

David Patrick(11:43.744)
It's a really cool view because it shows the labyrinth of pipes for sewer and storm and gas and steam and water and high pressure water and electrical ducks and telephone ducks and all that. But yeah, the foundations.

Gotta get your ducks in a row.

Please stop waiting. I waiting for that. No, but the foundations, you're right. All the different foundations and his little sense of humor. Do remember some details of the bedrock and no soil? Do you remember some details that are kind of funny about that? Was it something stand out and fishing again? I'm sorry.

bedrock in the soil in particular, or are you just talking about the pictures in general?

That weird view. There's some funny details he added to it.

Mike Walker(12:31.437)
Yes, there are, and that would be my first post-it note as soon as I find it. Yes. So if we look on page 47, which is a line drawing with no brown, which is odd because most of the pictures have brown in them unless he's taking the brown away from something, which I think in this picture on page 47, could have had the dirt still be brown. But if we look at this page,

I have my Post-it note pointing to three different things. One thing is a hand pointing down, and that is on the right side of the page, about 80 % of the way down to the bottom. And then if you go to, if you scroll over to...

It's funny, Mike, I'm doing my two fingers on the page and it's not moving. I think my book is broken.

Alright.

Mike Walker(13:33.4)
So if you go over to the other side of the page and you go down almost to the bottom, there's a skull. Which cracked me up because I'm like, wait, did we just find Jimmy Hoffa?

Yes.

David Patrick(13:45.081)
my goodness. Just don't tell anybody.

This was the second page that I really, really looked at that closely. And because I was looking super, super close, found one more thing. And that is there's two pipes that intersect towards the middle of the page. There's the upside down V pipe going down. And then there's a little pipe that elbows into a right angle and right below it. Did you find where I'm talking about? When I looked at that.

think so, yes.

I looked below the pipe and saw Humpty Dumpty. What? A wall? Nope. Looks like he had a great fall.

Was he sitting on

David Patrick(14:28.366)
I don't see that.

It's very abstract and it's not, I'm sure it's not actually supposed to be a face. You know, but it almost looks like a pig too.

what though time out so

I was just going to say now I totally see it and I cannot unsee it. Now all I see is that. So it's right below the periscope pipe. Yep. The one that turns to right angle and stops and right below it. I was looking for Humpty Dumpty and I saw his face, but there's a slight triangle fold at the top that looks like a pig ear. Yeah. And given the detail that he does, there's no way that's an accident. Are you with me?

Absolutely. I am, but I'm, you know, moving on. Yes. Tell me more. Well, number one, does he have a car?

David Patrick(15:05.006)
before we move on.

David Patrick(15:13.26)
I did a reference to that out loud to myself about an hour ago before this call.

I've been editing episodes of ours and I've said that many times, but I have never said, did he have a car? my gosh. Tell me more. Tell me more, David. Tell me more. I put it out there, you never bit.

Hey Mike, I've always had a question for you. Did you get very far? Ooh, sorry. Okay.

Woo. Wo-o-o-o-ster.

Three things. Nice. Three things. Number one, it's been a long time since you mentioned a page and my book was already open to it. And when you said 47, I grabbed my book, I started flipping through and my hand was right on 47 because there's no page number on this one. But oh, there's 46 over there. And since I'm good at math, I'm thinking the next page must be 47. That's number one. Number two, I was fishing for something else when I asked you about something interesting about the underground stuff. And we'll get to that later.

David Patrick(16:12.97)
Okay. Number three, I didn't notice the hand or the skull and certainly the Humpty Dumpty Pig dude under the periscope. So as you were starting to describe them, I saw the skull. And if you go back about four minutes, you will hear me gasp. And it was like, my goodness, I did not see that. I need to go through the entire book again and look for more things like that. Now. Yes. All of that being said, fortunately, on page 46, there is one of the hilarious jokes that he does throughout his books that I want to point out.

So on page just the drawing of the three construction men looking down into the pit. one more funny thing. He mentioned that sometimes when they dig to do something, they have to figure out where everything is. And one of the construction dudes has his hand on his head. The other guy's holding the shovel up vertical and kind of leaning on it. And then one guy is not a construction guy. So it's almost like a pedestrian looking down going, that's cool. One construction guy going, told you so. And the other one going, man.

You

But Mike, look on the preceding page that has the cut through section that says ideal utility layout, and he labels things. What does he label that's pretty funny?

The dog? Yes. Yes. What's also funny about that? The dog is looking across the street.

David Patrick(17:31.418)
the fire hydrant. Yes. And in the picture next to it, the dog is looking, it looks like he's looking straight at us. There's a dog there too. But right between us and him or her is a fire hydrant.

Absolutely.

Mike Walker(17:44.142)
Yes, it is hilarious.

In addition to being very detailed drawings, very interesting drawings, very informative, I too learned a lot, which brings me back to the pages where it shows the bedrock and it looks up at the foundations of lots of buildings and the soil is completely removed. Do you remember what are some funny things in those pages?

no.

Turn to page 108, if you will.

108. Okay, here we are. this is the end drawing of underneath the buildings with pillars and pipes and so on.

David Patrick(18:25.934)
Yes. But what do you see on the bedrock? Two funny things.

I think it's funny that there's a bus underneath all of these buildings, on a tour it looks like. And then over on the side it looks like maybe dinosaur bones?

That's what I'm thinking. There's a dinosaur skeleton thing, which is kind of funny, but that's something that you would find possibly when you excavate.

Uggs... Uggs... Butlutely? Man.

But what you probably won't find when you dig way down deep in topsoil to do foundations for giant buildings, you won't find a tour bus with people standing outside of it. And if you look really closely, they're all kind of around someone and that someone is wearing a hat and pointing up. So this is clearly a tour. If you look this way, there's a peer and beam foundation and over here, you know, and I've already forgotten all the terms of these different foundations, but it's just very funny. And he just does those things.

Mike Walker(19:07.032)
clearly.

David Patrick(19:17.26)
You can see him being late at night, hands covered in ink and going, ooh, I'm gonna do something funny, because I wanna crack myself up.

Yes. I think that that's what actually drew me into the book more and made me actually think about doing some research was that I found that other page that I was talking about, but I found that page because I was looking at page 55 and this page talks about it's covered by a cast iron lid called a manhole cover, which remembered

Remembered. Remembered me. Which reminded me of a time when I was working in Las Vegas on a job and I had a manhole cover slip and crush my finger. Ow. So kids, don't try and hold up a manhole cover. was painful. Anyway, but that's neither here nor there. I did not have a break. It just pinched my finger really horribly. So I'm totally fine now.

hearing that.

Mike Walker(20:22.446)
except when it rains I feel like a crick.

So on this page, I looked and this is the first time I saw that he had done something funny, which is actually very true to life. If you look down towards the bottom of the manhole, there are two rats. But then I looked up and standing above the manhole, what do you see?

Well, what's funny is I noticed the same thing as I looked at my handwritten notes and I saw the number 55. And then I saw rats. But I also saw what I wrote. Elephant feet.

Yes, I said elephant legs. But elephant feet? Same thing. And then I was like, wait, does he do that again? But then I looked back. Nope, everybody has shoes. So that is definitely a nod to elephants and mice.

Yes, and that's the thing. As you were describing this page and you said rats, I thought, they're probably mice because of the elephant. They have to be rats. It's a city, but

Mike Walker(21:31.124)
Exactly, and they look like rats. Yes. Because they have pointy, pointy beaks, like most rat birds.

Rat birds. That's kind of scary. those are called pigeons in a city, especially. They're rats with wings.

Alright, right, right, My bad.

No, but what's neat about the elephant feet, Mike, is I don't know if I noticed it when I was on this page. I think I was looking at the rats and going, look at the rats. Wait a minute. What's that up there at the top? And then I noticed the elephant feet, but it is literally it is a centimeter that they show. And at first you go, what are those? are those tree? wait, that's elephant feet. It's real subtle.

It is very, very, how much did you say? A centimeter? It's one and a half centimeters. One and three quarter as you get farther closer to the edge of the page on the right hand side.

David Patrick(22:13.39)
Is it? Well, it's actually at a

David Patrick(22:20.864)
I was gonna say, there's a slant.

you totally are trying to find your ruler, aren't you?

How did you know? When I was clearing off the table to prepare for today, I'm like, here's a ruler. I'll just put it in the pile of documents over. I mean, my house is clean and completely organized. There's no clutter anywhere.

yeah, mine too, and I'm so glad that I forgot to hit record on the video part of this one.

But you did hit your recording audio, right? Totally. Because I don't remember what I said.

Mike Walker(22:46.53)
yeah, totally. Which reminds me, we should probably speed this up. Move along. Yes, we should get to the end. Nothing to see here except for a city underneath. It's amazing.

I don't really have a lot else that I need to mention, but there's another funny one. There's one spread where there's an old billboard kind of in the foreground that's kind of peeled off and it's probably a large construction site. And there's even the word David and then M.A.C scribbled on it. So just little things like that. And there's also one somewhere. It shows the city street and people walking and there's all kinds of neat details.

Maybe a hot dog vendor, but there's a giant reptile tail around the corner of a building.

I did not catch that one. I will have to look back through and find it. The couple that I saw are, I just have to say this because somebody out there will appreciate this. On page 99, if you have the book, just go look at page 99. Anyone who's into very old classic video games from the eighties, it's a hole going down, you know, probably a hundred, 200 feet into the ground.

and it just shows a ladder. And we've been going to this place called the Galloping Ghost, which is outside of Chicago. I think at this point it has over a thousand video games. Oh, wow. All from early, 80s, 70s up till whenever people stopped doing that. But it's a really awesome place. But one of the games that I found that I remembered playing was this game called Bagman, where

Mike Walker(24:26.71)
you're a little criminal guy running around and picking up bags of money and trying to get it someplace, and there's little cops running around after you, and that's exactly what that looked like to me was that video game. wow.

That's cool. Yeah. I have a note here in pencil from the very same page. One of my favorite movies from that same era of the height of the arcade game era in the 80s. There was a movie called Fletch with Chevy Chase. And there's a scene where he says, this thing is all covered in filth and muck. And I've been quoting that for decades. And here on this page, this duct also provides a means of removing the soil and rock called muck.

I'm like, muck is an actual. Hey, watch it. It's an actual term. Yeah.

What the muck? Term!

Mike Walker(25:19.598)
Yes. And I actually was like, eh, I'm not sure if I love this. And then I started finding these little things and I was like, actually, I really liked this book because it's so informational. It's so informational that it was published by Houghton Mifflin, the people that make textbooks. Oh, I didn't know that. That did not surprise me when I saw that. I saw the name and I was like,

I know that publisher and now they're HMH. I forget what the second H is for, but they bought another textbook company, I believe. But it just cracked me up. like, that makes perfect sense in the publishing world. Something that's very educational. This book is very educational. I could see this being used in a class somewhere. that's awesome. Especially talking about antiques.

as they keep talking about the telephones. Page 88, there's a whole thing about telephone booth and the police telephone. it's called the telephone system. So it just cracked me up that unlike telephones, all those wires are still there. Yeah. But it cracked me up.

didn't catch the police telephone or fire alarm. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah. I want to go back to page, it's 45. It's where the weird reptile tail is. But the decaying, you know, it's an old billboard where they have the different layer of paper peeled off.

Yes, I remember seeing that.

David Patrick(26:54.094)
It says new and it says D A V I. So David M A C, which is McCully, but it says P. Pyramid. And I, in my research, I wrote down underground. This book was published in 1976. Pyramid was the previous book published in 1975. And so let me ask you a question. You had said that when you started noticing these funny details and senses of humor, do you think that you would have not liked it or had a different final impression?

Without those?

I think so.

Sorry, I just noticed the guy digging through the garbage on whatever that spread was that we were just talking about. No, I think that if I hadn't noticed an alligator in the sewer system, I would not have really... I mean, I would have found the book very interesting. However, once I started getting his humor...

No, I didn't see that.

David Patrick(27:43.478)
I noticed that too.

Mike Walker(27:57.838)
It was very funny. I think that it all adds to it because it is stuff that you would see in a city, but you don't necessarily think of, it's a textbook-y kind of book. There's going to be funny things like that.

I love that. So let me ask you another question then from a marketing standpoint. You said earlier that you will probably go check out some of his other books. Yes. Literally and figuratively. Do you think you wouldn't have done that again without the humor and stuff? You just sort of thought, that was interesting and then moved on or I'm just curious.

I'm not sure. I think I probably would have, as I said, it's very informational and it really kind of shows you a different view than what you're used to. And when you want to try and get some educational things that you would look at in a different way from his viewpoint, I think I would have just for that, because the castle, I'm kind of intrigued about.

Like, where does he go? Like, how far underground does he go? Explore the dungeons!

Well, I totally recommend both of them, Castle and Pyramid. And I am going to go back and check out Cathedral and City. I forgot he did Unbuilding in 1980.

Mike Walker(29:16.15)
I read about that. That sounded really interesting. Yes.

And there's a whole generation of readers who were kids a little bit later than us. The way things work. He did that in 1988. That might be his most popular book. And it is, there was a slight precursor to it in this one, possibly as early as page five. and page five is the first page. He was saying the primary purpose of this book is to expose a typical section of that network, the network of all the underground stuff and to explain how it works.

Because the way things work is the same kinds of lamps, blenders, lawn mowers, cars. He explains how they work. And my friend Doug, who's my age, he's an engineer. He's into that stuff. He's a car guy. And I was not a car guy. Plus we were a little bit older by the time those books came out. But to circle back to unbuilding, well, you saw that too.

It's about the dismantling of the Empire State Building because some rich Saudi oil person buys it and they have to dismantle it and rebuild it in the Middle East. So that was really...

Like, I read the description of that, was like, that's weird, but intriguing.

David Patrick(30:29.112)
Well, and for you, Mike, and for any of our readers who have not read David McCullough and want to check out more of his stuff, I do recommend Castle because Castle also has a slight story of the noble who built it and the story of it. It's not just the interesting, really cool stuff of how a castle was built in those days. So I definitely recommend that as your next one. Pyramid is somewhat similar, but Castle's more interesting that

Pyramid isn't like from a Pharaoh's point of view

No, there is a fictitional pharaoh who says, will have this built so when I die a monument to all that pharaoh stuff.

David Patrick(31:13.729)
David McCully, if you are blessed enough to see this, please don't feel so frustrated that one of your new reader and fan of yours just came up with a great idea that you could have come up with back in 1975 when you published Pyramid.

hear this up

Mike Walker(31:29.428)
I'm gonna have to go look for it just to find out if cuz he does have a sense of humor he does it might not have been someone saying that but or have

But a basket floating in the river, it's like a little baby sticking out.

So one of the last things that I thought of when I looked at this book, I'd closed it, it was sitting on the table. I'd been doing some research, finding out that he, again, another one of the authors that we've discussed that is a Caldecott winner. Yes. I looked at the front of the book and I was just drawn to the woman in the middle. Do you see her? Yes. She's standing by herself.

Is she standing on the corner?

Mike Walker(32:13.086)
And there's just sort of a focus on her. And I just was like, who is that person? Yeah. And so I started trying to do some research. It's hard to find anything. So David, if you ever are listening to our wonderful podcast here, can you tell me who that woman is? Is that your wife? That was my first thought. I wonder if you would, if it was me.

I would want to do something like that, like, that's my wife, maybe my kids are in there somewhere. know, silly things like that. But just wondering if people would think to do that.

That's awesome. I love that story. And yeah, so David, get in touch with us. Let us know who that is. What's cool about it, Mike, I'm really glad you pointed that out because the drawing of that woman is probably a centimeter tall. And I mean, it is a very basic drawing. It's something he could have done in 10 seconds. And yet you can see that she's standing there. You can see that her feet are at a right angle. What is she wearing, Mike?

Well, she's wearing a white dress. Yes. And she has a handbag and she's very sassy.

Yes, totally. And so when you mentioned the idea of what is her story, I want to know her story. Right. And while we're here, if you go about two inches to the left, there's a dad with his son on his shoulders. Yep. Another thing about his humor, and then yes, we need to wrap this up. He does something which is really important in humor. It's not all over the place. It's little pieces here and there, which makes them even more effective. Yep. I'm done talking about the book, Mike.

Mike Walker(33:48.664)
Fine David. Well, as we wrap it up, because I gave the wrap up signal and now I'm giving the roll down the window signal. I was gonna say. It's hard to tell. How about there?

once again we're on the same page.

David Patrick(34:03.404)
Now you're extorting the old timey car by cranking the thing under the hood and the fin-

Exactly, So that's our video. So if you have any questions about the video on this podcast, please give us a jingle on the telephone or maybe just send us an email at dadsonbooksatgmail.com.

Hey, we'd love to hear from you what your thoughts are on this book and the other David McCully books. And this is the segment in our show where we decide on what we might do next. I do. I love my beautiful bride, Monica, and one of the reasons I married her is she's smart and she came up with a great idea. She said, have you guys thought about doing Fancy Nancy? Which is exactly what I said.

Absolutely.

Mike Walker(34:33.518)
Do you have an idea?

Mike Walker(34:41.634)
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Mike Walker(34:46.712)
Terrific.

I think Fancy Nancy is perfect.

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