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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun, in

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<v Speaker 1>practical ways. Hey, everybody, welcome to another week. Hopefully you're

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<v Speaker 1>with us all week. Hopefully of the Bible Guys.

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<v Speaker 2>As opposed to the first six seconds going I'm out,

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, these guys aren't good looking enough for me.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. Well, that's not why they would cancel.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh look at you confidence.

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<v Speaker 2>I like it.

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<v Speaker 1>I like it, Jeff. We are starting a brand new

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<v Speaker 1>week this week of the Bible Guys in our series

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<v Speaker 1>about the promises of God, and today's theme.

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<v Speaker 2>Is a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a good theme, good one, it's a big one.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a big fan of this theme. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I love every time you say that it's God's salvation

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<v Speaker 1>and eternal life. Holy Christmas, literally Holy Christmas. I always

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<v Speaker 1>say Holy Christmas, but it always seems appropriate around Chris.

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<v Speaker 2>It does up.

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<v Speaker 1>And so today, before we dive into that, Desiree has

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<v Speaker 1>come up with a segment where she has pulled from

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<v Speaker 1>our fans. And this segment has a theme, a jingle,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's called mail Bags. I think we're getting better

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<v Speaker 1>over the years.

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<v Speaker 2>We're getting oh man, incredible which you recorded? Yeah, wait

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<v Speaker 2>a minute, I just did here you go. We could

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<v Speaker 2>just we get a bus and hit the road.

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<v Speaker 1>You remember you remember back in the day, uh, in

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<v Speaker 1>all those old movies where they would do sound effects,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like for radio disc jockeys, and they would

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<v Speaker 1>be like on cassette or sometimes like even like an

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<v Speaker 1>a tract tape where they punch it in and there'd

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<v Speaker 1>be one guy just waiting in the wings with sound effects.

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<v Speaker 2>Mail bags, Yeah, you're just super excited about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Anyway, explosions, all those kinds of things. Yeah, all

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<v Speaker 1>those things. So anyway, so today we're doing mail bags

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<v Speaker 1>and this is from Jen m Hi.

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<v Speaker 2>Jen.

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<v Speaker 1>Jen says, just wanted to take him out to say

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for all you done.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, very nice all that we do. Every I took

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<v Speaker 2>the garbage oue this morning. Good for you. And Jen's appreciative. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>it's nice to have somebody appreciate what we do.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you saying your family, Jeff, you just say your

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<v Speaker 1>family doesn't appreciate you. Where do you go if you

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<v Speaker 1>had to give here's the question, if you had to

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<v Speaker 1>give a Ted talk right now with no prep, what

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<v Speaker 1>would your topic be.

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<v Speaker 2>TED talks are the pinnacle.

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<v Speaker 1>They are the cinnicle. So I made a joke right

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<v Speaker 1>before I just literally read this before we started recording it.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, anybody who even answers this has a sense

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<v Speaker 1>of arrogance, right, because because that would mean that you're qualified,

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<v Speaker 1>you would think that you But that's not what she's saying.

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<v Speaker 1>She's saying, if you had to right, yeah, And so

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<v Speaker 1>she's not saying you're going to be a great at it,

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<v Speaker 1>She's just saying, on your mark set go.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, let's let's explain for the listeners who don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what a TED talk is. Oh yeah, TED talks

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<v Speaker 2>are usually so there. It's business people and thought leader

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<v Speaker 2>and sometimes cultural Yeah, cultural icons that tend to be

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<v Speaker 2>subject matter experts on a thing or they're leading thought

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<v Speaker 2>or thought leaders on a concept, and they make what

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<v Speaker 2>are they twelve minutes? Is that how long?

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<v Speaker 1>There?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's something like this, twelve minute speeches in front

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<v Speaker 2>of these giant crowds, and it's just for downloading the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest thoughts and the best information or the most clever

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<v Speaker 2>way of thinking of the thing. And so there's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a formula to how they how they build the speeches,

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<v Speaker 2>and they just tend to have this tremendous impact. It's

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<v Speaker 2>really really powerful. So, you know, to be invited to

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<v Speaker 2>be a ted Talk speaker is I mean, there's not

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<v Speaker 2>many things higher as far as praise of saying, man,

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<v Speaker 2>you're a good speaker or a good thinker?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what were somebody who has a lot of knowledge? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're early above yeah yeah yeah yeah, and the answers.

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<v Speaker 2>So what would what would be your ted talk right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Word with no preder.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, I this is such an inadequate answer, It really is,

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<v Speaker 1>because I can't think of anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, what do your subject matter expert on?

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<v Speaker 1>Well? I mean expert means ten thousand hours plus.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Okay, if that's your if that's your standard, true,

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<v Speaker 2>well welcome Gladwell's thought in Yes, outliers.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>Not only that, also if you're born in January that helps.

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<v Speaker 2>What I read the book? Didn't you read the book?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Why? No? Okay, it's a whole other thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Nugget, that nugget was passed on. That nugget was passed

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<v Speaker 1>on that I picked up that somebody once said, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure it's from this book. If somebody puts ten

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<v Speaker 1>thousand hours into something, then they're probably in the category

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<v Speaker 1>of an expert. Sure, right, So honestly, if I had

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<v Speaker 1>to give a TED talk about something right now, and now,

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<v Speaker 1>this is crazy, but I think I would give a

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<v Speaker 1>TED talk on those who lead funerals.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, yeah, leading funerals.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And the reason why is because I definitely have

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<v Speaker 1>my ten thousand hours in them. I've been told by

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<v Speaker 1>people who have spent their entire lives funeral directors, funeral owners,

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<v Speaker 1>people who have literally seen tens of thousands of funerals.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been told by those people that, well, let's just say.

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<v Speaker 2>That you do a good job, yeah or above, it's impactful.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah or above. They've made some outlandish statements. So I

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<v Speaker 1>never I never wanted to be good at funerals. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't seek to be good at funerals. But I've been

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<v Speaker 1>told that I'm good at funerals in a really high way.

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<v Speaker 1>And then when I was told that, like twenty years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>I started to really pay attention to those who lead funerals.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm not talking about like, you know, Aunt Betty,

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<v Speaker 1>who you know gets up and says a few words

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<v Speaker 1>about the deceased. I'm not talking about that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about all the rest of the pros.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about the officiants right now. There's a big

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<v Speaker 1>difference obviously, between like a Catholic mass funeral, like I'm not,

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<v Speaker 1>certainly not any expert on that, although I did grow

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<v Speaker 1>up Catholic and have gone to my share of those,

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<v Speaker 1>But for a Protestant funeral for those who you know

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<v Speaker 1>are Christian Protestants who you know, gather information about the deceased,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they present, and then they you know, they

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<v Speaker 1>lead people right, and then they they share comforting promises

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<v Speaker 1>of the scriptures and all the above. I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I've put my ten thousand hours in and I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I can really coach people. And the reason why

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<v Speaker 1>built bold statement. I don't want to be offensive, but

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<v Speaker 1>it is amazing to me how little little coaching there

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<v Speaker 1>book about that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? Have you really? Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well I've never had.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, before my first funeral.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never even seen a book about that. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>certainly I've never heard and you've never talked about it,

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<v Speaker 1>so it must not have been a great book, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So I've never heard anybody talk about books like that,

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't think that there's a lot of coaching

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<v Speaker 1>in this area. And it's amazing to me how bad

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<v Speaker 1>people are. And that's the bold statement. I don't mean

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<v Speaker 1>to offend, but there are so many people who leave

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<v Speaker 1>bad funerals and they somehow make it about them, right, right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like it's like somehow I'm gonna get up there

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to pretend to talk about the person

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<v Speaker 1>that we're honoring today, but somehow I'm going to turn

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<v Speaker 1>it back to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember one time I was nobody cares. Nobody cares, right,

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<v Speaker 1>this this you know, in my life, nobody cares. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, that's it. That's what I would say.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, what's a great way to start Monday about funerals

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<v Speaker 2>as opposed to I also think you're a subject a

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<v Speaker 2>matter expert on just public speaking in general, so you

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<v Speaker 2>could talk about that too, which you know, funerals is

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<v Speaker 2>a subcategory of the rest, So yeah, you can do that.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 2>forty seconds in is great.

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<v Speaker 1>You're just saying I took two hour.

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<v Speaker 2>Well no, no, I mean everybody was riveted on funeral conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I felt like I had to explain. Yeah, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't realize that we we sort of wasted two

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<v Speaker 2>Well you almost gave a TED talk on the Ted.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk, except that didn't do any of the how.

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<v Speaker 2>To exactly what you got? You got four more minutes, woun.

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<v Speaker 1>Then give back it down, but then give us give

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<v Speaker 1>us at least a thirty second answer on the subject

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<v Speaker 1>matter of your time.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I was trying to all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Uh, global mission, strategy, building culture and

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<v Speaker 2>an organization barbecuing on your back patio barbecue you.

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<v Speaker 1>Did so yeah, right, I'm not saying you couldn't in

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<v Speaker 1>the others I could.

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<v Speaker 2>I could do all three probably on Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, especially with the help of chet GPT in

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<v Speaker 1>our lives, right, So uh yeah those are good. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, uh, do you feel like there

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<v Speaker 1>is a major need? Probably the barbecue is the least

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<v Speaker 1>major need, right, because there's a lot of food people

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<v Speaker 1>out there, sure, right, But the other ones, do you

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<v Speaker 2>A I haven't written one and haven't researched it. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think I've ever contemplated this thought until we read

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<v Speaker 2>it like nine minutes ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah, well we read it seven minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>You'll take it because we read it right before.

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<v Speaker 1>We we wasted two minutes. Ye oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because we read it before. She said record that's right. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So sorry, that was the fun one. Sorry to take

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<v Speaker 1>all the minutes, Sorry to take.

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<v Speaker 2>You gen that was amazing, and uh, just the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that she took a minute to say thanks, Yeah, it's great.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and uh, you know what else takes just a

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<v Speaker 1>split second, and it's a very short amount of time's salvation?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah for you what God's worked through all of human

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<v Speaker 2>history to get to your salvation. But yeah, for you,

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<v Speaker 2>it only takes a split second.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well I mean for you too. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So so yeah, there's the transition for each of us. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>today we're talking about Romans chapter ten, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most inclusive and famous verses in the Bible when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to salvation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sure, yeah, chapter ten.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, are you still throwing off that?

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<v Speaker 2>I was trying to figure out. I was trying to

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<v Speaker 2>figure out No, I was trying figure out where I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to start, Let's just start in verse five. I

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<v Speaker 2>think verse five is a good spot here. In Romes,

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<v Speaker 2>chapter Tennis says, for Moses writes that the law's way

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<v Speaker 2>That's weird. We'll talk about that in a minute. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>Jew and gentile are the same in this respect. They

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<v Speaker 2>of the Lord will be saved. But how can they

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<v Speaker 2>call on him to save them unless they believe in him?

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<v Speaker 2>And how can they believe in him if they've never

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<v Speaker 2>the good news. But not everyone welcomes the good news.

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<v Speaker 2>For Isaiah, the prophet said, Lord, who has believed our message?

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<v Speaker 2>So faith comes from hearing that is, hearing the good

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<v Speaker 1>that you said we're going to talk about those things.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's get the weird part out of the way.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do that for us.

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<v Speaker 2>So he says. Moses says that the only way to

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<v Speaker 2>the law's way is you have to obey all of it,

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<v Speaker 2>all of its commands. But he says faith's way of

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<v Speaker 2>who'll go up to heaven or and don't say who'll

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<v Speaker 2>what he's talking about is extreme measures. Heaven is the

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<v Speaker 2>the dead, or Hell is the hardest thing to do

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<v Speaker 2>or get to going down. That's that's really it. And

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<v Speaker 2>right with God. As a matter of fact, the very

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<v Speaker 2>next sentence says, in fact, it says, the message is

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<v Speaker 2>be like if you and I said, listen, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>do a thousand push ups, you don't have to suddenly

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<v Speaker 2>be a good boy for you know, three hundred days

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<v Speaker 2>That's not you know, go to go to seven thousand

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<v Speaker 2>church services that you know, that's all he's saying, is

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<v Speaker 2>he's trying to use extreme illustrations to say you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to go to the extremes. It's right at hand

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<v Speaker 1>And he starts off by talking about Moses, writes that

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<v Speaker 1>you know the law, it's the law's way of making

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<v Speaker 1>the law, and then he talks about heaven and Hell. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>so all three of those are extreme. But then he's

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<v Speaker 1>then he's saying, no, that's not the case.

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<v Speaker 2>Right right, So verse five or verse six says faith's

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<v Speaker 2>way of getting right with God isn't extreme. Then he

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<v Speaker 2>gives these phrases that would kind of set us off

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit trying to figure out what it means,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he keep he buttons it up saying, in fact,

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<v Speaker 2>it says so it's all one big idea. He could

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<v Speaker 2>have just said faith's way of getting right with God

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't require us going to extremes. In fact, it's right

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<v Speaker 2>at hand. That's what he could have said, but he

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<v Speaker 2>used a colloquialism in their day that they would have

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<v Speaker 2>understood that. Sometimes we have to explain. Yeah, anyways, that's

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<v Speaker 2>out of the way, and it.

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<v Speaker 1>Really and reinforces the the law versus grace.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And he says, and that's the very message we

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<v Speaker 2>preach about faith that we that we preach. Right, if

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<v Speaker 2>you openly declare that Jesus is Lord and believe in

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<v Speaker 1>So let's pose this question real quick. Does a person

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<v Speaker 1>have to say it out loud? That? Because I've heard

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<v Speaker 1>people say that before, in fact, even just recently, right, Ye,

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<v Speaker 1>Because sometimes on Sundays I'll say, hey, I'll pray the

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<v Speaker 1>Salvation prayer. You can pray with me, and you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to say it out loud. You could say it

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<v Speaker 1>in your mind and in your heart. And then and

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<v Speaker 1>some person said, hey, and they pose a question, and

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<v Speaker 1>they said, doesn't the Bible say you have to say

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<v Speaker 1>it out loud confess with your mouth And they're referring

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<v Speaker 2>That would mean every mute person is on their way

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<v Speaker 1>That's correct, Yeah, that's correct.

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<v Speaker 2>That made it impossible. Aha, you can't.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I actually looked up some sit ready. In

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<v Speaker 1>the Greek, the word homo loggio means to openly agree

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<v Speaker 1>or to publicly affirm. It's about willingness, not just volume.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, you could nod your head, that counts.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. So in an ancient world, confession wasn't sentence

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<v Speaker 1>that you recited. It meant openly identifying with Jesus, not

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<v Speaker 1>being ashamed of him or declaiming loyalty even when costly. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So scripture shows people saved without audible speech, like the

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<v Speaker 1>thief on the Cross, people healed by Jesus, and the

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<v Speaker 1>Book of Acts. People believe with their heart, then baptism

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<v Speaker 1>became their public confession. Right if on the Cross asked, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it says he never expressed the sinner's prayer. He simply expressed.

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<v Speaker 2>Trust in Jesus expressed faith.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he definitely expressed faith for sure. But the heart

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<v Speaker 1>of the Gospel always describe salvation through faith by grace,

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<v Speaker 1>not of good deeds, which would include having to jump

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<v Speaker 1>through the hoops of saying something with your vocal courts. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>so confession looks like today, you know, not being ashamed

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<v Speaker 1>of Jesus, identifying with him, publicly living out your faith,

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledging him before others went asked.

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<v Speaker 2>So the sentence structure of Hebrews and of Greeks tends

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<v Speaker 2>to put the adjectives, adverbs and the biggest ideas at

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<v Speaker 2>the end at the beginning right. And so if you

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<v Speaker 2>take this passage together, he talks about openly declaring. That

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<v Speaker 2>means you're you're affirming that Jesus is your lord. That

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<v Speaker 2>means king lord is just an old English word for

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<v Speaker 2>king or leader or ruler. And you believe in your

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<v Speaker 2>be saved. Then he says, because it's by believing your

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<v Speaker 2>faith moment for you know, salvations by faith. And then

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<v Speaker 2>he says, it's by openly decarrying your faith that you're saved.

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<v Speaker 2>And he says anyone who trusts in Him will never

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<v Speaker 2>be disgraced. So he talks about openly declaring, and he

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<v Speaker 2>talks about believing two times, and then he buttons it

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<v Speaker 2>up by saying, because anybody who trusts in God will

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<v Speaker 2>be saved, right, And so that's he's kind of putting

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<v Speaker 2>the putting the exclamation point on it. It's the trust thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not the act of saying Jesus is my lord. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you are, if faith has really penetrated your

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<v Speaker 2>you want God to be the king of Jesus to

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<v Speaker 2>be the king of your life, then obviously you're not

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<v Speaker 2>going to be ashamed of it. You're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>try to hide it. I was just listening to a

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<v Speaker 2>podcast and a tattoo artist in Jerusalem. His family has

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<v Speaker 2>owned the same shop for seven hundred years. Oh, come on,

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<v Speaker 2>seven hundred. He's the twenty seventh direct person in line.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you imagine if you were the guy that said

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<v Speaker 1>I want to be a dentist.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he told his dad he wasn't going to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>He told his dad he wasn't going to do it,

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<v Speaker 2>and he left. I just made myself last.

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<v Speaker 1>I just made myself alive. Hervey, Yeah, Herbie wants to

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right. So he's the twenty seventh person in line.

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<v Speaker 2>And when he was a young man he told his dad,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to do it. But when he was

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<v Speaker 2>in his thirties, he came back and said, I need

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<v Speaker 2>do it well. And the tet they were Coptic Christians.

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<v Speaker 2>When Islam took over Egypt, their family left, but their

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<v Speaker 2>family was responsible in Egypt when Islam took over. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a tax in some of the more the stronger things.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're a Christian and you refuse to convert, then

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<v Speaker 2>you have to pay jazia jesse is an extra tax

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<v Speaker 2>for your because you're not a Muslim, so you're not

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<v Speaker 2>they began tattooing Christians with a cross on their arm.

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<v Speaker 2>Then they would just pull it up and go, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you owe extra right and have to pay extra tax.

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<v Speaker 2>So his family was responsible for doing that. They would

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<v Speaker 2>do that well. Then they left and they moved. His father,

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<v Speaker 2>his great great great you know, twenty seven grandfathers Ago

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<v Speaker 2>went to Jerusalem on a pilgrimage and helped tattoo some

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<v Speaker 2>people who were celebrating their pilgrimage to Israel seven hundred

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<v Speaker 2>years ago. And people were thrilled. And you know, when

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<v Speaker 2>you would go and traveling like that, you'd have to

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<v Speaker 2>that's what he's doing. He was given these commemorative tattoos

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<v Speaker 2>of the fact you made it to Israel for Christians.

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<v Speaker 2>And next thing, you know, all these other Coptics began

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<v Speaker 2>the forearm. They wanted the tattoo rate at their wrist

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<v Speaker 2>so that every time they shook a man's hand, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a follower of Jesus. Don I want you to know it.

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<v Speaker 2>So instead of it being a shame thing that you're

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<v Speaker 2>not one of us, they began tattooing it right out

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<v Speaker 2>in front, so every time that they would go to

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<v Speaker 2>shake hand, they see it. So now he has these stamps,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, because they put the stamp in ink stamping

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<v Speaker 2>on your thing and then trace the stamp. He has

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<v Speaker 2>some stamps that are over five hundred years old, primarily

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<v Speaker 2>like the Jerusalem Cross on some of these things commemorating.

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<v Speaker 2>And he said, almost every person that comes one, they're

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<v Speaker 2>thrilled that they have come to Israel. But he said,

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<v Speaker 2>it's also a definitive thing. My faith is so real.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to ever have a time when somebody

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<v Speaker 2>isn't aware that I'm a Christian even when my words

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<v Speaker 1>So people still requested that stamp.

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<v Speaker 2>pastor friend of ours has it, by the way, Yeah yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he got it when he was there, and so he

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<v Speaker 2>was interviewing him on his podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk about a story.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean when somebody says, hey, what does that mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Gives people often say hey, explain to me. You're ink right,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the story behind your tatchoeh?

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<v Speaker 2>So he has a Jerusalem Cross and he has it

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<v Speaker 2>right here so that everybody can see it. That. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but they all do it, right they so that whole culture.

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<v Speaker 2>And so here you are in Israel, and he said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he's Arab, Arabic, he's not Jewish, so he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't fit in with the Jewish people very much.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I know our friend here and he he.

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<v Speaker 2>Is, but he doesn't fit in with the Muslim Palestinians either.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, I just I just stand out all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>And he said, either you can decide you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>try to hide it, or you can embrace it and

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<v Speaker 2>say I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, I'm just not ashamed.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that is an incredible story. We should do a

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<v Speaker 1>video story on that tattoo. Yeah, I'm not kidding.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't it cool? And so so he That's what it's

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<v Speaker 2>talking about is you're openly declaring Jesus is my lord.

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<v Speaker 2>Right hey, you openly declare that you're a Lions fan

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<v Speaker 2>or a Patriots fan fan or no nobody, gross age,

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<v Speaker 2>only dumb people. I'm openly declaring, I'm I'm a Michigan fan.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah right now, yeah right. You're openly declaring you're a

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<v Speaker 2>heritage fan. And yet we get really shy about the

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<v Speaker 2>single most important relationship we've ever had, right, and we

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<v Speaker 2>don't want people to know. And I'm not saying everybody

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<v Speaker 2>should go out and get a tattoo. I'm not saying that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying this salvation thing is I'm openly declaring. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not the words I say, right, it's the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus is my king and I'm not ashamed of him.

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<v Speaker 2>And the reason he's my king is because he's the

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<v Speaker 2>one who rose from the dead, defeating my sins, yeah right,

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<v Speaker 2>and paying the price. That's it. And it's those two

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<v Speaker 2>things together. I have to believe that Jesus paid the

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<v Speaker 2>price and rose again. And then I'm inviting him to

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<v Speaker 2>be the Lord of my life. And he said, if

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<v Speaker 2>you get to that doesn't matter whether you have a

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish religious background or a gentile religious background, which would

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<v Speaker 2>be a pagan background. Right. Sure, he says, it doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone who calls them the name of the Lord will

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<v Speaker 2>be safe. That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel very gentile. Yeah, yeah, So after we get

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<v Speaker 1>past our key verse for today, that is the featured

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<v Speaker 1>verse for today, for everyone who calls upon the name

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<v Speaker 1>of the Lord shall be saved. Right after that, he

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<v Speaker 1>goes into what I've always thought is one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most convicting set of passages when it comes to the

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<v Speaker 1>Gospel and in ministry in general. Right, so, he says,

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<v Speaker 1>how are they going to call them unless they believe?

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<v Speaker 1>And how they going to believe unless they don't hear? Right,

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<v Speaker 1>unless they hear? And then how are they going to

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<v Speaker 1>hear unless someone tells them? And how's anyone going to

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<v Speaker 1>go tell them if they don't go. So it's interesting

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<v Speaker 1>because what he does is he retraces salvation. He backs

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<v Speaker 1>up and he says, hey, when somebody becomes a Christian,

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<v Speaker 1>how are they going to become a Christian and less.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he sort of goes backwards and he goes

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<v Speaker 1>all the way back to you, and he goes back

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<v Speaker 1>to me, and he says, Okay, it starts with someone

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<v Speaker 1>who says, I'm going to go tell them and then

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to speak out loud, and then they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to hear, and then they're going to believe, and then

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to become a Christian. Right, And he says,

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<v Speaker 1>how are they going to do any of that unless

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<v Speaker 1>it first starts with you.

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<v Speaker 2>He directly connects us to this mission.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, yes, And then then it says, that's why

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<v Speaker 1>the scripture say how beautiful the feet of the messengers

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<v Speaker 1>who bring the good news. And so it really is

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<v Speaker 1>just a reminder that every single time that we, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>publicly profess our faith, that it could lead to somebody's

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<v Speaker 1>eternal destination. Every time that we let me say that

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<v Speaker 1>differently in case that this is going to be a SoundBite,

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<v Speaker 1>because I messed that up, I got tongue tied. Paul

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<v Speaker 1>is trying to say that this is a reminder that

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<v Speaker 1>every time that we are not ashamed of the Gospel,

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<v Speaker 1>it can change people's eternal destination because it starts with us,

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<v Speaker 1>and because we publicly profess, because we are loud, because

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<v Speaker 1>we are not ashamed, because we were crystal clarity tell

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<v Speaker 1>people that Jesus Christ is the way to heaven. People

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<v Speaker 1>can be saved through our lives, and sometimes we don't

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<v Speaker 1>understand that. And so, for instance, if we're at Thanksgiving

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<v Speaker 1>dinner or Christmas dinner, I guess now right where you know,

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, the conversation starts and it turns

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<v Speaker 1>toward God or somebody brings up a spiritual thought, and

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, we're like, oh, I'm just going

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<v Speaker 1>to be quiet. I'm not going to go down that

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<v Speaker 1>road as opposed to saying no, absolutely, I'll tell you

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<v Speaker 1>everything that I believe. In fact, I'm excited about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm excited for you to hear about it and

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<v Speaker 1>share it in a way that feels comfortable and non apologetic,

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<v Speaker 1>but at the same time not overbearing or creepy. Right

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<v Speaker 1>in the context of love, in the context of friendship,

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<v Speaker 1>you know to be you could even do this with

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<v Speaker 1>a stranger, right and do it in a way that's appropriate.

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<v Speaker 1>But every time you do that, Paul's connecting the dots

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<v Speaker 1>and saying that could lead to somebody's eternity.

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<v Speaker 2>That can lead to the conversation. But I think you

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<v Speaker 2>know the seventh verse seventeen. So faith comes from hearing,

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<v Speaker 2>that is, hearing the good news about Christ. Okay, the

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<v Speaker 2>literal translation is faith comes by hearing and hearing by

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<v Speaker 2>the word of God. Right. And so I was just

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<v Speaker 2>talking to a young guy who has been working so

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<v Speaker 2>hard to share his faith. He's been telling everybody. He

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<v Speaker 2>told me how frustrated he was that he wasn't actually

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<v Speaker 2>closing the deal leading people to Jesus. He just found

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<v Speaker 2>out found that he was talking about Jesus and talking

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<v Speaker 2>about faith a lot. And I said, well, what scriptures

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<v Speaker 2>are you using? Bless you? Yeah, I said, what scriptures

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<v Speaker 2>are you using? He goes, well, I haven't used him

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<v Speaker 2>memorized any yet. I said, well, there you go. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the issue. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the

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<v Speaker 2>word of God. Not faith comes by hearing Chris's words

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<v Speaker 2>or faith comes by hearing by hearing Jeff's words. Faith

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<v Speaker 2>comes by hearing and hearing through the word of God.

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<v Speaker 2>They have to hear God's words. God's word is what cuts.

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<v Speaker 2>God's word is what proves Jesus is who he says

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<v Speaker 2>he is, right, it's not my thoughts about the resurrection.

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<v Speaker 2>It's what the Bible says about the resurrections. It's what

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<v Speaker 2>the Bible says about the mechanisms of salvation and the

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<v Speaker 2>process of salvation. And so the Holy Spirit blesses God's words.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's verse seventeen that we read here, right. So

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<v Speaker 2>all the other things, the being nice to somebody, that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't get anybody to heaven. God's words get people to Heaven. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>Faith in the fact that God's words says it. But

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<v Speaker 2>being nice to somebody opens up the spiritual conversation. So

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<v Speaker 2>the scariest thing for me is ever encourage anybody be

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<v Speaker 2>super nice to your neighbors, and maybe they'll go to heaven.

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<v Speaker 2>Someday They're gonna miss heaven and have really nice neighbors.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a dangerous stunt, right right.

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<v Speaker 2>So what we want to do is say, be really

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<v Speaker 2>nice to the people around you represent Jesus. Look for

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<v Speaker 2>the opportunities to develop those friendships and those relationships so

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<v Speaker 2>you can openly declare the words of God. Because faith

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<v Speaker 2>comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's great.

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<v Speaker 2>That's super important.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, super important, big fan.

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<v Speaker 2>Big fan. There you go, turn it back on me. Awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>So hey, that is definitely our time, so hopefully we

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<v Speaker 1>will see tomorrow on the Bible.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys,