WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.170 --> 00:00:01.120 Rupert Isaacson: Thanks for joining us. 00:00:01.190 --> 00:00:03.230 Welcome to Live Free, Ride Free. 00:00:03.410 --> 00:00:06.810 I'm your host, Rupert Isaacson, New York Times bestselling author of 00:00:06.830 --> 00:00:08.389 The Horseboy and The Long Ride Home. 00:00:08.450 --> 00:00:13.089 Before I jump in with today's guest, I want to say a huge thank you to you, our 00:00:13.089 --> 00:00:14.989 audience, for helping to make this happen. 00:00:15.000 --> 00:00:15.949 I have a request. 00:00:16.219 --> 00:00:19.750 If you like what we do here, please give it a thumbs up, 00:00:19.799 --> 00:00:22.380 like, subscribe, tell a friend. 00:00:22.770 --> 00:00:24.910 It really, really helps us to make the pro. 00:00:24.910 --> 00:00:28.930 To find out about our certification courses, online video libraries, 00:00:29.435 --> 00:00:33.325 books, and other courses, please go to rupertisaacson.com. 00:00:34.894 --> 00:00:36.125 So now let's jump in. 00:00:40.285 --> 00:00:41.004 Welcome back. 00:00:41.035 --> 00:00:48.305 I have my friend Ralph Daab from Krn Cologne in Germany on today. 00:00:48.695 --> 00:00:56.554 He's a publisher and has made his living his own way in many countries in the world 00:00:57.125 --> 00:01:03.635 and has come to a point where the material has sort of given way to the spiritual. 00:01:04.684 --> 00:01:11.764 And he's a man who's very much explored how as a westerner you can find your way 00:01:11.764 --> 00:01:15.984 to the shamanic, to the altered states of consciousness that open the window 00:01:16.225 --> 00:01:21.745 to the more indigenous way of looking at things while still being in the West. 00:01:21.745 --> 00:01:24.535 And I think that that's a very useful thing for many of us because 00:01:24.535 --> 00:01:28.975 as those of you listeners who know my background, spending a 00:01:28.975 --> 00:01:30.475 lot of time, for example, in the. 00:01:30.775 --> 00:01:36.865 Kalahari in Africa with hunting and gathering peoples down there, it can be 00:01:36.984 --> 00:01:44.634 almost misleading to think, oh, well, that kind of life, that deeply spiritual life, 00:01:44.634 --> 00:01:47.904 that very connected life, that's something different that happens down there in those 00:01:47.904 --> 00:01:51.505 other places with people who haven't sort of gone through the Judeo-Christian thing 00:01:51.804 --> 00:01:53.304 that we've all gone through, et cetera. 00:01:53.304 --> 00:01:57.594 I can't really do that because I'm up here in the western economy and, you 00:01:57.594 --> 00:01:59.604 know, stuck in that rap race and so on. 00:01:59.604 --> 00:02:02.514 Of course, we all know that's not really true, but I think it's 00:02:03.084 --> 00:02:07.374 really good to draw our attention sometimes to how people doing it right 00:02:07.374 --> 00:02:12.085 here, right now in our culture and particularly, you know, how is that. 00:02:12.595 --> 00:02:15.205 Is that is, you know, can that be related to business? 00:02:15.205 --> 00:02:20.065 Can that be related to how do you make a living when you, when you decide, okay, 00:02:20.065 --> 00:02:23.965 you know, I, I want to begin to explore these other ways of looking at the world, 00:02:23.965 --> 00:02:28.615 but I still have to kind of keep one foot pretty firmly in the, in the here 00:02:28.615 --> 00:02:30.445 and now and the economy and all of that. 00:02:30.445 --> 00:02:31.765 Now do I dance that dance? 00:02:31.765 --> 00:02:36.055 And I think somebody like Ralph has quite a lot of insights for us that way. 00:02:36.325 --> 00:02:38.454 So I thought I'd have him on the show for live free, ride free. 00:02:38.485 --> 00:02:40.675 'cause he's a man who definitely does live free and ride free 00:02:41.125 --> 00:02:42.355 and we can learn from him. 00:02:42.355 --> 00:02:44.394 So Ralph, thank you for coming on the show. 00:02:44.965 --> 00:02:45.445 Yeah. 00:02:45.445 --> 00:02:45.984 Hi Ruper. 00:02:45.984 --> 00:02:47.065 Thank you for having me. 00:02:47.545 --> 00:02:49.644 It's a great pleasure to be on the shower. 00:02:50.184 --> 00:02:54.445 So do you want to tell listeners a little bit about how we met? 00:02:54.445 --> 00:02:57.864 Because I think those circumstances. 00:02:58.614 --> 00:03:01.165 Are quite helpful to drawing people's attention to sort of 00:03:01.614 --> 00:03:03.024 always keep your eyes open. 00:03:03.024 --> 00:03:06.385 You never quite know who's around the next corner type thing. 00:03:07.374 --> 00:03:08.019 You wanna have a right. 00:03:08.090 --> 00:03:09.795 Ralf Daab: Yeah, it was, it is a great story. 00:03:09.795 --> 00:03:14.254 I always tell people I was living in, back then, it was like two years 00:03:14.254 --> 00:03:16.324 ago in Germany where we live now. 00:03:16.804 --> 00:03:16.924 Yeah. 00:03:16.924 --> 00:03:17.764 We born in Germany. 00:03:18.094 --> 00:03:21.314 So I was walking the dock, you know, up from the hill and then you know, 00:03:21.314 --> 00:03:24.164 passed by a, a horse place basically. 00:03:24.164 --> 00:03:29.984 And I was talking to Leon, your wife first, and then the dogs started playing. 00:03:29.984 --> 00:03:32.984 And then, so we started talking and so, oh, where are you from? 00:03:32.984 --> 00:03:33.704 What are you doing? 00:03:33.704 --> 00:03:37.124 And then I said like, you know, and then Leanna said, well, that 00:03:37.124 --> 00:03:41.084 you guys lived in, in the US in Texas, and then you moved back here. 00:03:41.084 --> 00:03:45.104 And I said, I, I lived in New York for some years and I also. 00:03:45.509 --> 00:03:46.829 Was in Texas many times. 00:03:46.829 --> 00:03:48.419 And then, you know, I'm a publisher. 00:03:48.419 --> 00:03:49.259 And I'm publisher. 00:03:49.259 --> 00:03:53.189 And then he said, oh, my husband Rupert, he's also like, he, he's an author. 00:03:53.189 --> 00:03:55.289 He published books, New York Times bestseller books. 00:03:55.289 --> 00:04:00.929 So, and then you walked up and then we met and we just connected right away, you 00:04:00.929 --> 00:04:04.549 know, and then we started talking and, you know, things like it was incredible 00:04:04.549 --> 00:04:06.730 because yeah, it was, it's, it's no 00:04:06.730 --> 00:04:07.540 Rupert Isaacson: coincidence. 00:04:07.540 --> 00:04:10.050 It was like well, what was interesting to me about that. 00:04:10.605 --> 00:04:15.505 First meeting and you gotta just picture listeners, you know, I'm picking poo. 00:04:15.865 --> 00:04:17.155 That's what we always do every morning. 00:04:17.185 --> 00:04:17.245 Yeah. 00:04:17.245 --> 00:04:17.365 Right. 00:04:17.394 --> 00:04:20.635 With the horses and, but people walk by, there's a public footpath that 00:04:20.635 --> 00:04:24.475 goes, you know, past the, the, the sort of main area where the horses are. 00:04:24.475 --> 00:04:27.595 'cause they all live outside and you know, people walk their dogs. 00:04:27.595 --> 00:04:29.395 You sometimes say hi, whatever. 00:04:29.735 --> 00:04:32.375 But relatively few people actually stop and say hi. 00:04:32.425 --> 00:04:33.955 You know, it's, it's Germany after. 00:04:35.395 --> 00:04:37.975 So it's like, first thing is, well that's kind of unusual. 00:04:37.975 --> 00:04:42.725 Look, here's a bloke who's actually kind of cheerful and, you know, friendly. 00:04:42.975 --> 00:04:47.875 And then but very quickly the conversation went to, well, you know, what do you do? 00:04:47.875 --> 00:04:49.105 Okay, I'm publisher, I'm a writer. 00:04:49.405 --> 00:04:50.185 Interesting, interesting. 00:04:50.185 --> 00:04:50.935 Similar worlds. 00:04:52.615 --> 00:04:57.055 And then of course I told you a little bit about what I publish books on. 00:04:57.205 --> 00:04:59.065 And then you say, oh, that's interesting because, you know, 00:04:59.065 --> 00:05:01.645 I do these journeys, right? 00:05:01.825 --> 00:05:03.775 And I said, oh, what kind of journeys? 00:05:04.405 --> 00:05:06.055 And you said, well, like MDMA. 00:05:06.925 --> 00:05:07.105 Right. 00:05:07.165 --> 00:05:13.315 And what was interesting to me about that was a lot of my friends and 00:05:13.315 --> 00:05:19.315 contemporaries, particularly in the USA in the last, I'd say five years, have 00:05:19.315 --> 00:05:25.365 begun to experiment with looking at altered states of consciousness through 00:05:25.365 --> 00:05:29.985 journeys with MDMA, which some people call ecstasy, but it's not the ecstasy, 00:05:29.985 --> 00:05:31.695 of course, that you buy in a nightclub. 00:05:31.695 --> 00:05:36.955 It's the pure form that used to be prescribed way back in the day by 00:05:36.955 --> 00:05:41.065 psychologists and psychiatrists who warring married couples because it 00:05:41.365 --> 00:05:43.105 made them listen to each other nicely. 00:05:43.445 --> 00:05:47.375 Brings out the sort of compassion in people and si psilocybin, 00:05:47.375 --> 00:05:48.805 which is of course mushrooms. 00:05:49.315 --> 00:05:54.155 And this has been a growing field among. 00:05:54.965 --> 00:06:01.895 I think many people in the kind of middle class of the west over the last 00:06:01.895 --> 00:06:05.075 decade or so, because I think there has been this growing awareness that 00:06:06.155 --> 00:06:11.465 the material life needs to be balanced with the spiritual, but the church no 00:06:11.465 --> 00:06:13.475 longer offers that never really did. 00:06:13.830 --> 00:06:17.645 I mean, mystic Christianity can, but not the church, not witch 00:06:17.645 --> 00:06:19.445 burning and Spanish inquisition. 00:06:19.865 --> 00:06:22.295 And so where to look, where to look. 00:06:22.295 --> 00:06:27.695 And so of course people began to look naturally to the Eastern philosophies 00:06:27.725 --> 00:06:31.655 because with the British Empire, that kind of really opened up that 00:06:31.655 --> 00:06:34.955 route from India through England and then out to the rest of the West. 00:06:35.325 --> 00:06:40.515 And that sort of, those meditations and Buddhism and Hinduism and stuff like that 00:06:41.145 --> 00:06:47.355 began to have a big influence on Western society, but it was still perceived 00:06:47.355 --> 00:06:48.855 as very much a thing from outside. 00:06:48.855 --> 00:06:49.515 I think from over there. 00:06:50.385 --> 00:06:53.174 People like me, of course, going down and spending time with a lot of 00:06:53.174 --> 00:06:55.374 indigenous folk bringing that back. 00:06:55.374 --> 00:06:57.684 But again, that's still being, well, that's something other, 00:06:57.684 --> 00:06:58.554 that's something over there. 00:06:58.554 --> 00:06:59.244 That's not us. 00:06:59.244 --> 00:07:00.474 That's not where we are. 00:07:00.474 --> 00:07:05.394 How do we, and so I think it's very logical that people like you, Ralph 00:07:05.424 --> 00:07:10.465 and other friends of mine, began to look to the use of psychotropics. 00:07:10.974 --> 00:07:16.645 In the same way that of course people are undergoing healing ceremonies in, 00:07:16.794 --> 00:07:22.674 you know, the Amazon or areas where, or Siberia, areas where native America, 00:07:22.674 --> 00:07:29.125 where psychotropic plants grow and have always been used for healing. 00:07:29.515 --> 00:07:32.575 It's a very logical thing and I think there's a reach back even through 00:07:32.575 --> 00:07:37.485 the European past there, because certainly in the pre-Christian 00:07:37.485 --> 00:07:40.485 era, people used fly aic mushroom. 00:07:40.485 --> 00:07:44.594 They used psilocybin, what we would call magic mushrooms and ver you 00:07:44.594 --> 00:07:49.225 know, datura nightshade certain things with hemlock or to achieve altered 00:07:49.225 --> 00:07:52.785 state of consciousness in order to you know, connect with the divine. 00:07:52.935 --> 00:07:56.385 And that of course was rooted out of our culture by the church. 00:07:56.655 --> 00:08:01.125 So there you are, and we're having that conversation and I'm thinking, well, this 00:08:01.125 --> 00:08:03.195 is sort of interesting on the Shamanic. 00:08:03.295 --> 00:08:07.035 And then when I began to do this podcast, I thought, well, actually 00:08:07.035 --> 00:08:09.885 Ralph would be a very good guy to get on this show because he is really 00:08:10.605 --> 00:08:15.105 an entrepreneur and you run your own publishing stuff, but you've also, you 00:08:15.105 --> 00:08:17.895 know, helped larger publishing companies. 00:08:17.895 --> 00:08:20.475 And that's something, but you, you also now thread this very spiritual path. 00:08:22.365 --> 00:08:23.595 That's Ry ride free. 00:08:23.835 --> 00:08:29.415 Sort of in a nutshell, would you take us through your journey a little bit, 00:08:29.415 --> 00:08:36.195 where you began as a boy in corn growing up, sort of, you know, in the seventies 00:08:36.195 --> 00:08:42.345 and eighties in that, you know, post-war booming economy, having fun, it takes 00:08:42.345 --> 00:08:46.575 you off to other parts of the world, just and then how you get into publishing. 00:08:46.575 --> 00:08:49.305 Just get, take us through that early stage in your life, how, how 00:08:49.305 --> 00:08:53.205 you get going on your live free, ride free sort of initial, yeah. 00:08:53.445 --> 00:08:53.685 Okay. 00:08:53.685 --> 00:08:54.165 Yeah, 00:08:54.555 --> 00:08:54.585 Ralf Daab: I 00:08:54.585 --> 00:08:54.795 Rupert Isaacson: did 00:08:54.795 --> 00:08:54.975 Ralf Daab: that. 00:08:55.025 --> 00:08:56.585 So I grew up in Cologne and 00:08:56.635 --> 00:08:59.055 Rupert Isaacson: you know, I was which is a bit of a party town, right? 00:08:59.055 --> 00:08:59.295 It's a 00:08:59.295 --> 00:08:59.595 Ralf Daab: fun town. 00:08:59.600 --> 00:09:03.465 Well, it's a carnival, you know, the people are very open-minded and friendly. 00:09:03.465 --> 00:09:07.185 You know, my, my parents, my mother had a, a restaurant, you know, but a lot 00:09:07.185 --> 00:09:09.255 of people always came like every day. 00:09:09.255 --> 00:09:14.045 So it was always, yeah, I grew up in like a, in yeah, a good, environment, I would 00:09:14.045 --> 00:09:17.405 say, you know, so, and I played soccer, football, you know, when I was young. 00:09:17.405 --> 00:09:18.435 And I was pretty good. 00:09:18.435 --> 00:09:21.244 So I played for the s fone in the junior. 00:09:21.244 --> 00:09:24.604 What is, just tell us, oh, that's, SCON is one of the best 00:09:24.754 --> 00:09:26.675 club football club in the world. 00:09:26.675 --> 00:09:29.704 We just came up, you went up to, did you play Football Con? 00:09:30.094 --> 00:09:30.754 Rupert Isaacson: Yeah, right. 00:09:30.754 --> 00:09:33.004 But in the junior team, you know, so for some years 00:09:33.454 --> 00:09:34.025 Ralf Daab: and that was a 00:09:34.025 --> 00:09:34.564 Rupert Isaacson: great time. 00:09:34.569 --> 00:09:36.634 That's something that's like playing for Arsenal or, or Tottenham. 00:09:36.640 --> 00:09:36.905 Yeah, yeah, 00:09:36.964 --> 00:09:37.805 Ralf Daab: yeah, exactly. 00:09:37.805 --> 00:09:38.134 Exactly. 00:09:38.134 --> 00:09:38.254 Yeah. 00:09:38.314 --> 00:09:41.645 So that was a great time when it was 14 years old, 15 years, 16, 00:09:41.645 --> 00:09:46.175 you know, so playing, like we, we played tournaments in, in, in Paris, 00:09:46.175 --> 00:09:49.984 in, in Brussels, in, in Zurich or, you know, so it was always good. 00:09:49.984 --> 00:09:53.944 Like I had go to the director of the school and said like, I have to go for, 00:09:54.785 --> 00:09:56.525 you know, a week for tournament, whatever. 00:09:56.525 --> 00:09:57.395 So it was a good time. 00:09:57.395 --> 00:10:01.334 I was and then I was, you know, I was obviously going to school and then I 00:10:01.334 --> 00:10:06.014 started university and but I knew right away from be, it's not really what I. 00:10:06.464 --> 00:10:07.514 Whatever you want to do. 00:10:07.514 --> 00:10:12.714 Like, so I would start, like my mom, I also did back then, so I would start like 00:10:12.714 --> 00:10:16.854 a friend, he was importing like t-shirts from California, like big Wednesdays. 00:10:16.854 --> 00:10:19.644 So I was like, oh, they cool t-shirts, exert shirts, you know, I would start 00:10:19.644 --> 00:10:23.304 selling them out of the car, you know, in the school and so and so on. 00:10:23.304 --> 00:10:26.544 And then other things like a hot tuna from Australia, like a 00:10:26.544 --> 00:10:27.984 brand, like really cool brand. 00:10:28.064 --> 00:10:29.744 So, and I said, let's open up a store. 00:10:30.014 --> 00:10:35.164 Let's, so like when I was 22, I opened my first fashion store in Cologne. 00:10:35.644 --> 00:10:38.884 And then you know, coincidence, somebody walked in and said like, yeah, 00:10:38.884 --> 00:10:41.014 I need like, you know, 20 jackets. 00:10:41.014 --> 00:10:44.644 And it turned out, turns out that he was from EMI, Electrola from the record 00:10:44.644 --> 00:10:49.914 company, and it was for Tina Turner's concert like tour, you know, so it was got 00:10:49.914 --> 00:10:52.314 into the merchandise business for that. 00:10:52.554 --> 00:10:56.214 So I was always like doing things, you know, like, and then a friend of mine, 00:10:56.214 --> 00:10:58.944 I was in New York, first time in 1991. 00:10:59.304 --> 00:11:00.354 What sent you to New York? 00:11:01.104 --> 00:11:01.944 Just pleasure. 00:11:01.944 --> 00:11:02.579 It was just Okay. 00:11:02.579 --> 00:11:04.059 It was before business. 00:11:04.249 --> 00:11:04.539 Yeah. 00:11:04.554 --> 00:11:07.014 Before business was like with a friend that went to New York for 00:11:07.014 --> 00:11:10.104 the first time and another friend, he was also in New York and he was 00:11:10.104 --> 00:11:12.024 working for hin for the publisher. 00:11:13.044 --> 00:11:13.164 Tian 00:11:13.164 --> 00:11:15.114 Rupert Isaacson: is a very famous German publishing house. 00:11:15.114 --> 00:11:15.534 Right. 00:11:15.714 --> 00:11:16.644 Basic Cologne. 00:11:16.644 --> 00:11:19.884 But now the world, you know, biggest art book publisher in the world. 00:11:20.064 --> 00:11:20.244 Yeah. 00:11:20.244 --> 00:11:23.514 You've, you, you've seen them listeners, even if you don't know them, they're 00:11:23.514 --> 00:11:26.694 these amazing German art and fashion. 00:11:27.324 --> 00:11:27.684 Right. 00:11:27.804 --> 00:11:28.254 Photographic. 00:11:28.254 --> 00:11:28.404 They have 00:11:28.404 --> 00:11:29.634 Ralf Daab: stores all over. 00:11:29.664 --> 00:11:30.774 Yeah, the world basically. 00:11:30.924 --> 00:11:34.044 So back then in the nineties, and then, then, then he said like, ah, you know, 00:11:34.044 --> 00:11:37.074 we are looking for somebody who could do like sales and marketing in the us. 00:11:37.114 --> 00:11:37.804 Are you interested? 00:11:37.804 --> 00:11:39.124 And I said, well, yes, of course. 00:11:39.124 --> 00:11:39.574 You know. 00:11:40.054 --> 00:11:44.694 So I started working for Tchen as a sales manager for the US and like first year, 00:11:44.694 --> 00:11:48.474 two years traveling from Cologne to the US like, you know, visiting, like, I 00:11:48.474 --> 00:11:52.194 don't know, first trip was 20 cities in like four weeks, you know, every day. 00:11:52.254 --> 00:11:52.824 Another city. 00:11:52.824 --> 00:11:55.044 So it was a great time. 00:11:55.044 --> 00:11:59.214 And then I moved to New York in 1995, you know, and moved there. 00:11:59.244 --> 00:12:01.014 It was just for, for a year. 00:12:01.014 --> 00:12:04.254 And then I stayed there total of like almost six years. 00:12:04.884 --> 00:12:07.454 So setting up the office there and then all sales and 00:12:07.454 --> 00:12:08.744 marketing, that was a great time. 00:12:08.744 --> 00:12:10.424 It was like my early thirties. 00:12:10.424 --> 00:12:11.754 So, yeah. 00:12:11.784 --> 00:12:16.284 So it was, that's how I got into publishing, international publishing also. 00:12:16.284 --> 00:12:19.764 And then I moved back and my son Lucas was born in New York. 00:12:20.184 --> 00:12:24.404 And then, we decided to go back to Cologne, and then I started my, of working 00:12:24.404 --> 00:12:26.024 for another publisher for three years. 00:12:26.414 --> 00:12:29.904 You know, I was responsible for setting up a program, so I developed 00:12:29.904 --> 00:12:33.804 the whole, the book program and international distribution. 00:12:34.194 --> 00:12:40.404 So, and then I decided to start my own publishing house in 2003. 00:12:40.974 --> 00:12:45.484 And yeah, so then we traveled a lot, you know, all over the place, like Asia 00:12:45.514 --> 00:12:48.114 lots then us a lot, of course Europe. 00:12:48.864 --> 00:12:54.044 And yeah, so that was I was always in, in things like, you know, what can you do? 00:12:54.044 --> 00:12:55.484 Like, develop new things. 00:12:55.514 --> 00:12:59.764 I have so many ideas and, and, and, so, and then I, you know, 00:12:59.764 --> 00:13:03.654 got to a point where publishing in general was, became difficult. 00:13:03.734 --> 00:13:06.584 Had problems with the banks, the investors and the whole thing. 00:13:06.584 --> 00:13:10.449 And then, so at the end I had to close the company, basically file for 00:13:10.449 --> 00:13:12.669 chapter 11, which is like insolvency. 00:13:13.059 --> 00:13:15.869 And yeah, it was a really tough time. 00:13:15.869 --> 00:13:19.179 And then the marriage ended I was kinda lost, you know, that 00:13:19.179 --> 00:13:21.529 was like 2000, where were we now? 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:27.229 Like, 64, 15, 16 round then, so about eight, nine years ago. 00:13:27.829 --> 00:13:29.989 And so I was kind of lost and I said like, what can you do? 00:13:29.989 --> 00:13:38.119 Like my life, you know, so, and I, yeah, I did like a photo exhibition, for example. 00:13:38.119 --> 00:13:39.049 I had took some photos. 00:13:39.049 --> 00:13:42.709 I did like an exhibition, and then I, I, I decided like, oh, 00:13:42.709 --> 00:13:44.239 let's go back into publishing. 00:13:44.239 --> 00:13:47.349 And so I started to to create books again. 00:13:47.979 --> 00:13:51.569 But at the same time, I was always like looking for new things. 00:13:51.569 --> 00:13:57.609 But so I, I got into the meditation thing, so I was reading books, listening 00:13:57.609 --> 00:14:01.059 to podcasts about meditation or why, why did you get into meditation? 00:14:01.059 --> 00:14:01.329 Studying? 00:14:01.959 --> 00:14:05.349 Yeah, because, yeah, because I was like kind of felt like I, I needed to do 00:14:05.349 --> 00:14:09.969 something else, you know, like going out of like, like, you know, this business 00:14:10.029 --> 00:14:15.219 world that the business thing or the life of like, you know, just traveling around 00:14:15.219 --> 00:14:16.989 and being like stressed and everything. 00:14:16.989 --> 00:14:23.079 So, and then I started also doing sports again, and also mindfulness things. 00:14:23.079 --> 00:14:24.026 You know, had you always 00:14:24.031 --> 00:14:25.779 Rupert Isaacson: kind of in the back of your mind thought, 00:14:25.779 --> 00:14:27.219 or that meditation thing? 00:14:27.789 --> 00:14:32.199 I kind of want to get into that, but I'll, I'll do that later, you know, or 00:14:32.199 --> 00:14:34.119 was it more sudden thing a more new thing? 00:14:34.149 --> 00:14:36.429 No, no, it was always there, kind of, you know, 00:14:36.429 --> 00:14:40.954 Ralf Daab: like, you know, but it, it wasn't like, like every day, but I felt 00:14:40.954 --> 00:14:45.244 like, you know, I was at a point where I was, you know, like really lost and it's 00:14:45.244 --> 00:14:46.774 the only thing I could, could help me. 00:14:46.774 --> 00:14:48.724 Like, I could only help myself, you know? 00:14:48.724 --> 00:14:50.774 So, and I and it was good. 00:14:50.864 --> 00:14:55.714 So I, you know, did a love of sports again running and so I felt a little better. 00:14:55.714 --> 00:14:58.644 And and then it got to a point, like I was, you know, I talked to a friend 00:14:58.644 --> 00:15:02.874 and then he told me about a seminar he went to, and he said like it was 00:15:02.874 --> 00:15:04.554 the best thing he did in his life. 00:15:04.584 --> 00:15:06.234 And then he told me everything about it. 00:15:06.234 --> 00:15:06.804 And then. 00:15:07.404 --> 00:15:08.574 I said, yeah, I wanna do this. 00:15:08.574 --> 00:15:12.624 And that's how I got into my first journey of the MD May. 00:15:13.044 --> 00:15:15.114 Yeah, that was, I 00:15:15.114 --> 00:15:18.084 Rupert Isaacson: presume because you'd been living in New York, you know, you'd 00:15:18.184 --> 00:15:22.894 been in fashion, you'd been in sport, you'd been in publishing, recreational 00:15:22.894 --> 00:15:26.584 drug use must have been something with which you were quite familiar. 00:15:26.584 --> 00:15:28.234 I mean, I know I said No, not really. 00:15:28.264 --> 00:15:28.804 No, no, 00:15:28.894 --> 00:15:29.194 Ralf Daab: no, no. 00:15:29.194 --> 00:15:29.644 Not really. 00:15:29.674 --> 00:15:30.124 Rupert Isaacson: No. 00:15:30.604 --> 00:15:30.964 No. 00:15:31.244 --> 00:15:36.674 So when, okay, because I remember for example, when I was in my 00:15:38.804 --> 00:15:43.324 earliest twenties this is back like 8,000 years ago I think before the 00:15:43.324 --> 00:15:51.924 invention of the wheel I tried MDMA, at that point, it was still very pure. 00:15:51.924 --> 00:15:55.584 It was before techno, before the raves, before all of that took off. 00:15:55.584 --> 00:15:59.334 And so before it became a mass industry, that people then began to adulterate 00:15:59.334 --> 00:16:01.494 it with speed and, you know, awful. 00:16:01.524 --> 00:16:07.134 And so I, I tried it a few times in those early years and then very quickly gave 00:16:07.134 --> 00:16:11.484 it up because it, it very quickly became adulterated with all sorts of stuff. 00:16:11.484 --> 00:16:17.574 And you couldn't, at least at that stage in my life, access that pure form anymore. 00:16:17.724 --> 00:16:21.804 But I do remember breaking up with my first girlfriend. 00:16:22.644 --> 00:16:23.694 Basically she was dumping me. 00:16:24.084 --> 00:16:29.724 While we both were on MDMA, which of course, as many listeners 00:16:29.724 --> 00:16:35.514 may know, MDMA used to be prescribed by marriage counselors. 00:16:36.174 --> 00:16:40.104 Before it was made illegal because it helped people to listen to 00:16:40.104 --> 00:16:42.894 each other really compassionately and to tell the truth. 00:16:43.079 --> 00:16:43.429 Right. 00:16:43.874 --> 00:16:48.924 And so we broke up, you know, so kindly with each other, even 00:16:48.924 --> 00:16:49.944 though my heart was broken. 00:16:50.454 --> 00:16:52.404 And we remained friends, we're friends to this day. 00:16:52.404 --> 00:16:53.154 It's very interesting. 00:16:53.544 --> 00:16:59.334 So, you know, when you told me about you doing these MDM majors, 00:16:59.334 --> 00:17:00.684 I immediately made that assumption. 00:17:00.714 --> 00:17:04.174 Oh, well he must have had, you know, some sort of previous history with 00:17:04.174 --> 00:17:05.704 this, but you said No, not at all. 00:17:05.824 --> 00:17:10.144 So this being something quite new for you, right. 00:17:10.204 --> 00:17:11.404 What made you think Yeah. 00:17:11.404 --> 00:17:11.614 Okay. 00:17:11.614 --> 00:17:13.114 Well, that, that might be something then, 00:17:14.284 --> 00:17:16.984 Ralf Daab: because a friend told me that what, what, you know, what he 00:17:16.984 --> 00:17:20.654 experienced and told me that it's saved, that it's, you know, you know. 00:17:22.064 --> 00:17:26.684 So I said like, okay, because I was really not really into drugs, you know, I had 00:17:26.684 --> 00:17:30.464 joined, so, you know, of course then an alcohol, you know, wine and, and so on, 00:17:30.764 --> 00:17:34.544 but not, not no drugs, you know, I was not never, I always said like, you know, 00:17:34.544 --> 00:17:36.474 I can be fun without drugs, you know? 00:17:36.474 --> 00:17:36.475 Mm-hmm. 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:42.054 So, but in this case I was like looking into this more the, as this therapy 00:17:42.084 --> 00:17:46.644 than just like having fun with drugs or so, you know, and trusting my 00:17:46.644 --> 00:17:48.144 friend and said like, oh, let's try it. 00:17:48.174 --> 00:17:50.724 And then and it was tell everybody it was the best thing 00:17:50.724 --> 00:17:52.464 I did in my life, you know, so 00:17:53.994 --> 00:17:54.174 Rupert Isaacson: well. 00:17:54.174 --> 00:17:54.444 Right. 00:17:54.444 --> 00:17:57.164 You know, often you know, when people say, for example, go down to the 00:17:57.164 --> 00:18:02.004 Amazon looking for healing, they'll often find themselves with a ero, you 00:18:02.004 --> 00:18:04.014 know, a, a healer doing ayahuasca. 00:18:04.434 --> 00:18:04.494 Yeah. 00:18:04.494 --> 00:18:06.294 Which of course is a very, very strong hallucinogen. 00:18:06.804 --> 00:18:09.804 But many people will report I, yes. 00:18:09.804 --> 00:18:17.634 What I needed was a kind of radical way to break through an out of the worldview 00:18:18.174 --> 00:18:21.504 that has been to some I've been stuck in. 00:18:22.224 --> 00:18:26.154 And I needed kind of a radical change of environment, both physically 00:18:26.274 --> 00:18:30.954 and mentally, emotionally, in order to get this other perspective. 00:18:30.954 --> 00:18:35.664 Otherwise, I, I sort of couldn't break out of the, the rut that I was in. 00:18:35.814 --> 00:18:37.764 Do you feel that that's what happened to you? 00:18:38.274 --> 00:18:38.694 Yeah. 00:18:40.104 --> 00:18:40.854 Ralf Daab: Yeah, exactly. 00:18:40.854 --> 00:18:44.694 But it's also like after like the first time, it's like, it's like four years ago. 00:18:45.024 --> 00:18:48.714 So, and it's a whole process, you know, I realized, you know, after four years I did 00:18:48.714 --> 00:18:52.914 like many times different ways, you know, different locations, you know, like I 00:18:52.914 --> 00:18:55.284 ended up like, you know, some places and. 00:18:55.834 --> 00:18:59.404 And also tried other things, you know, with mushrooms and, and so on. 00:18:59.854 --> 00:19:05.194 And now after four years, I realize it's, it's not just the one, one journey, 00:19:05.254 --> 00:19:09.844 you know, or, you know, even the, the weekend or so, it's a whole process. 00:19:09.844 --> 00:19:11.074 It's like it changed. 00:19:11.074 --> 00:19:13.744 That transformation is going on like forever, you know? 00:19:13.744 --> 00:19:19.384 So it's like, but you, the thing is, like, you, you, I learned to 00:19:19.384 --> 00:19:24.094 let things go, you know, like to now during these journeys, to, to look 00:19:24.094 --> 00:19:28.424 at things, to, to have sometimes the same feeling again about things. 00:19:28.454 --> 00:19:31.394 Even when I was a child, I, I could look at this, say, 00:19:31.424 --> 00:19:32.954 oh yeah, that was not so bad. 00:19:32.954 --> 00:19:35.714 Or that was so, and, and, and, and let go. 00:19:35.804 --> 00:19:41.084 And, and now I realize that, that it's just part, it's just one part of it. 00:19:41.114 --> 00:19:41.414 You know? 00:19:41.414 --> 00:19:44.714 It's not like you do one journey MDMA or whatever it is, you know, 00:19:44.714 --> 00:19:46.184 like, and, oh, you're healed now. 00:19:46.214 --> 00:19:47.534 Oh, you changed my life now. 00:19:47.534 --> 00:19:48.644 No, no, it's like. 00:19:49.409 --> 00:19:54.089 To change your life or, you know, to go to, through a real transformation. 00:19:54.089 --> 00:19:58.529 It's, it's, it's takes weeks and years and, and, and goes on, you know, like, no 00:19:58.529 --> 00:19:58.769 Rupert Isaacson: doubt. 00:19:58.769 --> 00:20:00.389 But you need that initial experience. 00:20:00.389 --> 00:20:02.039 Initial experience to sort of 00:20:02.039 --> 00:20:03.899 Ralf Daab: help leapfrog into that. 00:20:03.899 --> 00:20:05.129 Yes, exactly. 00:20:05.129 --> 00:20:10.229 And the initial experience is like to, to to, to become like 00:20:10.229 --> 00:20:13.109 in different consciousness, you know, different perspectives. 00:20:13.709 --> 00:20:18.449 And this is what I never had experienced before without that 00:20:18.449 --> 00:20:22.109 drug, you know, without MDMA or without mushrooms, whatever. 00:20:22.529 --> 00:20:26.909 But MDA is more like for me at least, it was like to, to see 00:20:26.909 --> 00:20:28.589 things from a different perspective. 00:20:29.009 --> 00:20:29.339 Yeah. 00:20:29.589 --> 00:20:32.499 Every ev every time like really clear. 00:20:32.499 --> 00:20:36.579 It's not like you're a, you're like sleeping or, so I was always 00:20:36.579 --> 00:20:40.179 clear and I was, I've experienced stories, really stories. 00:20:40.599 --> 00:20:43.869 I was in those stories in like 500 years ago in Persia. 00:20:44.169 --> 00:20:45.699 I was in, in the universe. 00:20:45.699 --> 00:20:46.779 I was an astronaut. 00:20:46.779 --> 00:20:51.489 I was, and my soul was up there in, in the Big bang or whatever it is, 00:20:51.489 --> 00:20:52.809 you know, like, and I said like, what? 00:20:52.809 --> 00:21:01.409 It was such great stories and experiences and that changed my view of myself and 00:21:01.409 --> 00:21:03.419 my surrounding my people around me. 00:21:03.689 --> 00:21:06.869 So it's like all it is, it's like a kind of heart opener. 00:21:06.899 --> 00:21:15.359 And then when you go that path like I did you'll see that, that your life change. 00:21:15.419 --> 00:21:16.499 But it's like not, I. 00:21:17.699 --> 00:21:20.519 You know, if you, you stay in your environment, if you stay 00:21:20.519 --> 00:21:24.089 in your structure, you, you don't change really a lot. 00:21:24.209 --> 00:21:25.559 So you have to let go. 00:21:25.859 --> 00:21:29.849 And you have to realize, and you have to say, okay, if I, if a relationship 00:21:29.849 --> 00:21:34.799 ends now, yeah, maybe it has to end now because without ending the 00:21:34.799 --> 00:21:38.429 end of the relationship, you can cannot experience something new or 00:21:38.429 --> 00:21:41.969 you move to a new place, you know, and it's all part of the journey. 00:21:42.439 --> 00:21:46.159 And that's, that's it all started four years ago with the MDMA and I, 00:21:46.159 --> 00:21:51.389 I did many, many trips, many and I still do it's kind of like sometimes 00:21:51.389 --> 00:21:53.009 I feel I don't need it anymore. 00:21:53.279 --> 00:21:57.019 'cause it's like what your neuroscience would say, tell you, it is like the 00:21:57.019 --> 00:21:59.659 neuro, they can adjust you know, things. 00:21:59.699 --> 00:22:03.659 And then you, you can get the same feeling or you can, I can change my perspective 00:22:03.659 --> 00:22:09.809 now without taking anything because my neuron, they, they experience, they can, 00:22:09.809 --> 00:22:11.839 they can, they can be in that same state. 00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:17.529 So, and yeah, so for me it was like, it's a, it's a game changer. 00:22:17.529 --> 00:22:18.699 Rupert Isaacson: It's, it's a life changer. 00:22:18.939 --> 00:22:22.649 And in those early days when you were first taking these journeys, and I'm 00:22:22.649 --> 00:22:27.989 gonna ask you to describe, you know, some of the journeys that stand out the most 00:22:28.049 --> 00:22:31.649 and the insights you got from them, but in those early days when you were first 00:22:31.649 --> 00:22:34.739 beginning with it, did you find it very difficult then to reintegrate yourself 00:22:34.739 --> 00:22:39.209 back into, if you like, ordinary life, making a living business, picking up the 00:22:39.209 --> 00:22:41.369 phone to people, striking deals, whatever? 00:22:41.579 --> 00:22:43.259 Or did you actually find that? 00:22:43.259 --> 00:22:45.809 No, it was actually much more of an effortless flow. 00:22:47.339 --> 00:22:48.104 The first journeys 00:22:48.104 --> 00:22:51.734 Ralf Daab: I, I remember was like, I, I was telling everybody now how great 00:22:51.734 --> 00:22:55.664 it is, you know, it was like friends and family, and people are like, some 00:22:55.664 --> 00:22:59.024 people on the street maybe say like, I, you know, this is so fantastic. 00:22:59.024 --> 00:23:01.934 Everybody should do it, and everybody has to like, go on 00:23:01.934 --> 00:23:03.494 trips and it's change everything. 00:23:04.064 --> 00:23:07.124 So then I realized you, you cannot talk to everybody about it. 00:23:07.124 --> 00:23:09.674 You know, some people said, Hey, he's crazy, what is he doing? 00:23:09.674 --> 00:23:13.734 And and I said like, yeah, okay you shouldn't talk to everybody about it. 00:23:13.784 --> 00:23:15.584 Just to people who are really interested. 00:23:15.584 --> 00:23:17.864 And I said, like, you know, you figure out, you know, who's 00:23:17.864 --> 00:23:19.544 really interested and who's not. 00:23:20.204 --> 00:23:20.744 But yeah. 00:23:20.744 --> 00:23:23.964 And then I got to the point and said like, okay, what I'm doing 00:23:23.964 --> 00:23:28.554 now if I continue this journey is I realize myself that I'm changing Now. 00:23:28.554 --> 00:23:31.164 I, you know, I, I, I talk differently. 00:23:31.164 --> 00:23:32.274 I feel differently. 00:23:32.604 --> 00:23:36.624 So if I, if I want to stay in my old world, I have to stop 00:23:36.654 --> 00:23:38.964 now because it doesn't work. 00:23:39.144 --> 00:23:41.574 Or I, I say, okay. 00:23:42.234 --> 00:23:43.314 That's my new path. 00:23:44.334 --> 00:23:47.514 I go that path no matter what. 00:23:48.894 --> 00:23:51.024 And I do, and I did, and I still do. 00:23:51.234 --> 00:23:54.484 And then you realize that you don't have to talk about anymore. 00:23:54.514 --> 00:23:55.234 It just comes. 00:23:55.654 --> 00:23:57.694 People just come or they don't, you know? 00:23:58.174 --> 00:24:01.024 And, and the things change. 00:24:01.294 --> 00:24:07.264 And also in terms of business, it opened up new paths as well. 00:24:07.264 --> 00:24:12.184 So I'm doing, I'm, my conversations now with, with architects or interior 00:24:12.184 --> 00:24:15.649 designers is different now and, and the business is growing actually. 00:24:15.649 --> 00:24:16.774 But those are the books you're doing now, right? 00:24:16.774 --> 00:24:18.394 The, your higher series, 00:24:18.394 --> 00:24:19.264 Rupert Isaacson: it's about architecture. 00:24:19.264 --> 00:24:19.534 You'll do the 00:24:19.534 --> 00:24:22.444 Ralf Daab: architecture and interior books and the business 00:24:22.444 --> 00:24:24.004 actually growing like this year. 00:24:24.004 --> 00:24:25.354 And it's like, it's amazing. 00:24:25.354 --> 00:24:30.664 You know, it's like the more I open up, the more people I attract to, to publish 00:24:30.664 --> 00:24:32.314 with me, to publish their work with me. 00:24:32.794 --> 00:24:34.984 Plus I've written my own book. 00:24:35.704 --> 00:24:36.934 About the stories. 00:24:37.034 --> 00:24:42.094 A little book I published myself under my new labor high on living came out like in 00:24:42.094 --> 00:24:43.954 February and then it sounded quite good. 00:24:44.254 --> 00:24:45.464 And tell us about the book. 00:24:45.464 --> 00:24:45.854 What is it? 00:24:45.854 --> 00:24:46.424 What's it called? 00:24:46.874 --> 00:24:49.474 Yeah, I wrote the stories like the stories I experienced on this 00:24:49.474 --> 00:24:51.604 journeys, you know, I wrote them down. 00:24:51.604 --> 00:24:53.644 This is like 32 episodes in the book. 00:24:53.644 --> 00:24:57.754 They're short episodes, you know, so, and it's, yeah, you could read 00:24:57.754 --> 00:25:01.744 it and get really good responses from people say, okay, this is really cool. 00:25:01.744 --> 00:25:06.964 I could see myself in this same story, you know, like up in the universe or. 00:25:07.554 --> 00:25:11.394 I journey to myself in my own self, in my own nothing. 00:25:11.514 --> 00:25:14.484 You know, when you on your own atom, there's nothing there. 00:25:14.724 --> 00:25:19.044 But then I experienced the most energy ever I experienced. 00:25:19.044 --> 00:25:23.244 So, and it opened up everything and started to love myself. 00:25:23.244 --> 00:25:27.174 Self-love is basically, I experienced on one of the journeys, I was myself 00:25:27.174 --> 00:25:29.844 saying, wow, this is, this is love. 00:25:29.904 --> 00:25:32.904 This is, I didn't know what love is before love. 00:25:32.904 --> 00:25:39.054 I thought of this could live, love my wife or my, my parents, my son, but this 00:25:39.054 --> 00:25:41.454 kind of love I, I didn't know before. 00:25:41.574 --> 00:25:46.714 So, I wrote this little book and actually it was like when I moved here to Opco 00:25:46.994 --> 00:25:50.774 two days, two days later, I was like posting a video on Instagram saying 00:25:50.824 --> 00:25:53.284 I'm living up here now in the nature. 00:25:53.314 --> 00:25:54.394 And I got like, from my. 00:25:55.084 --> 00:25:56.854 Former employee Laura. 00:25:57.094 --> 00:26:00.964 She used to work for me in, in Cologne like 12, 13 years ago. 00:26:00.964 --> 00:26:03.574 She's like, she wrote on Instagram like, what are you doing there? 00:26:03.904 --> 00:26:04.894 She said like, well, I live here now. 00:26:04.954 --> 00:26:07.954 Well, she said, like, I live in like right here in the village, 00:26:07.954 --> 00:26:10.654 like for 10 years, so let's meet. 00:26:10.654 --> 00:26:15.179 And her husband was also involved in the, in uncle in in the reading day, 00:26:15.179 --> 00:26:17.309 like where authors came to do readings. 00:26:17.369 --> 00:26:19.259 And so he took me into the program. 00:26:19.319 --> 00:26:23.819 So I was there officially in Hong Kong and did two readings that day. 00:26:23.879 --> 00:26:28.279 It was fun, you know, people came and listened to my, my Stories 00:26:29.149 --> 00:26:30.349 and tell us the name of the book. 00:26:30.739 --> 00:26:32.779 The book is named Dbia. 00:26:33.049 --> 00:26:33.979 There you are again. 00:26:34.114 --> 00:26:35.134 Dbi You again. 00:26:35.609 --> 00:26:37.229 32 episodes. 00:26:37.329 --> 00:26:42.109 Yeah, soul Journey of Zaza and Ze episode. 00:26:42.109 --> 00:26:42.859 That's the Journey. 00:26:43.159 --> 00:26:43.759 Subtitle. 00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:46.889 And Zaza Ze Being Journey. 00:26:46.919 --> 00:26:47.009 Right. 00:26:48.539 --> 00:26:51.719 And it's, it's a nice little book and yeah, people like it. 00:26:51.719 --> 00:26:55.739 And so that's the basic, and, and through that book I got I, I'm 00:26:55.739 --> 00:26:57.659 getting now three more authors. 00:26:57.689 --> 00:27:01.049 Like I one author in, in Hedburg now, like Christine, she wrote 00:27:01.049 --> 00:27:02.069 a book about her journey. 00:27:02.069 --> 00:27:05.279 Like one year she traveled with her family around the world. 00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:06.989 She, she wrote really nice books. 00:27:06.989 --> 00:27:11.129 So that's, I'm gonna publish that book under high on Living and, and others. 00:27:11.129 --> 00:27:17.374 So then through that, the new publishing part we call it High on Journey, high 00:27:17.374 --> 00:27:21.859 on Living, not On Journey, high on Living is a new division kind of buddy. 00:27:22.624 --> 00:27:28.114 Where I'm gonna publish the, the stories of people with their want to, you 00:27:28.114 --> 00:27:31.504 know, write their book about their own story and bring it out to the world. 00:27:31.924 --> 00:27:37.774 And it's, it's really cool so that, you know, so my, my past, my journeys, 00:27:37.774 --> 00:27:39.874 I got into a new business basically. 00:27:40.534 --> 00:27:44.674 And it's really interesting to see like how people are attracted to that. 00:27:44.674 --> 00:27:47.734 You know, it's also part of like, I think the future where people think 00:27:47.734 --> 00:27:52.334 about more how you run a business and what kind of business is good. 00:27:52.334 --> 00:27:56.164 So, I remember like a year ago I posted something on LinkedIn saying, you know, 00:27:56.164 --> 00:28:00.664 I'm, I'm going, like, the spiritual entrepreneurship is the new thing, 00:28:00.754 --> 00:28:04.084 kind of, you know, you have social entrepreneurship where you've got the 00:28:04.654 --> 00:28:08.194 sustainability and all that kind of stuff, but the spiritual entrepreneurship 00:28:08.194 --> 00:28:12.664 is something, it's in the future, like, especially the young generations looking 00:28:12.664 --> 00:28:15.364 to, to start is basically what, what. 00:28:15.754 --> 00:28:19.624 Kind of product or service you can do for, for everybody that it's not like, 00:28:20.524 --> 00:28:23.554 of course you run a business and you should make money with it, you know? 00:28:23.554 --> 00:28:25.434 So it's not like, but in a different way. 00:28:25.434 --> 00:28:29.499 It's not like you make money no matter what, and you you know, keep it all for 00:28:29.499 --> 00:28:33.969 yourself, you know, like we have nowadays with all the, the Jeff Basos and things, 00:28:33.969 --> 00:28:38.259 you know, I have like super yachts and so no, that's not spiritual entrepreneurship. 00:28:38.289 --> 00:28:40.659 It is like for, for everybody. 00:28:40.659 --> 00:28:44.769 And, and that's, that's the kind of thing I, I, I'm, I'm looking into, 00:28:44.769 --> 00:28:48.449 and that's that's how I want to start or build up my new publishing 00:28:48.449 --> 00:28:50.099 division also as a community. 00:28:50.669 --> 00:28:52.649 And it's all part, it's all together now. 00:28:52.649 --> 00:28:56.429 And like, started with my first MD major like four years ago. 00:28:57.029 --> 00:28:57.989 It's incredible. 00:28:57.989 --> 00:29:02.979 But what happened since, ever since, you know, so, and it's, it goes on, you know? 00:29:02.979 --> 00:29:03.189 So. 00:29:03.194 --> 00:29:03.364 So 00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:05.019 Rupert Isaacson: let's talk about some of those journeys. 00:29:05.119 --> 00:29:08.269 Tell us about the first journey you did, and then I want you to give us. 00:29:08.944 --> 00:29:12.364 Some windows on some of those other journeys. 00:29:12.364 --> 00:29:14.404 Let's start with your first journey four years ago. 00:29:15.244 --> 00:29:16.554 Well, the first journey was like I 00:29:16.554 --> 00:29:20.694 Ralf Daab: was, you know, you, you put the music on you basically, you take 00:29:20.694 --> 00:29:22.554 it and then it takes like half an hour. 00:29:22.554 --> 00:29:24.054 So, and then you put the music on. 00:29:24.474 --> 00:29:25.224 You're lying down. 00:29:25.824 --> 00:29:27.389 You lying down on the mattress in a quiet room. 00:29:27.389 --> 00:29:27.414 Quiet room. 00:29:28.524 --> 00:29:28.884 Yeah. 00:29:28.944 --> 00:29:31.554 Someone is there with you to look after you a bit. 00:29:31.584 --> 00:29:31.914 Yeah. 00:29:31.914 --> 00:29:32.934 Right, right. 00:29:32.934 --> 00:29:34.644 It, it's better like setting settings. 00:29:34.644 --> 00:29:35.484 Very important. 00:29:35.514 --> 00:29:36.789 Someone with not alone experience. 00:29:36.789 --> 00:29:37.854 Alone with experience. 00:29:37.854 --> 00:29:41.149 And you can have also like conversations, you know, during your, mm-hmm. 00:29:41.149 --> 00:29:41.509 Your, your. 00:29:42.414 --> 00:29:42.954 Journey. 00:29:43.284 --> 00:29:47.094 So I was like looking out the window and I saw like birds flying 00:29:47.094 --> 00:29:48.234 and said like, oh, that's fun. 00:29:48.324 --> 00:29:49.944 You know, let's fly with birds, you know? 00:29:49.944 --> 00:29:53.784 So, and I really, my soul left my body and I went up to the, and fly, you 00:29:53.784 --> 00:29:55.974 know, played with the, with the birds. 00:29:55.974 --> 00:30:01.114 And then I suddenly went further up through the clouds, through the sky. 00:30:01.114 --> 00:30:06.244 And I was up in, in the universe in the, so, and then I saw the earth from above. 00:30:06.334 --> 00:30:08.664 And how beautiful this be. 00:30:08.664 --> 00:30:12.684 Blue planet was standing, like, looked like standing still. 00:30:12.774 --> 00:30:16.614 I was really like, it, it, it wasn't like looking a picture, it was like I 00:30:16.614 --> 00:30:21.474 was there, my soul was up there, and I looked at this beautiful planet. 00:30:21.474 --> 00:30:23.214 I said like, oh yeah, my God, this is so beautiful. 00:30:23.214 --> 00:30:24.804 And what are, what are we doing here? 00:30:24.804 --> 00:30:29.274 And then, and then suddenly I had like a drag kind of like, it was so, so, so fast. 00:30:29.274 --> 00:30:32.004 I said, what the, the, the earth doesn't stand still. 00:30:32.004 --> 00:30:34.194 It, it, it turns like in one day. 00:30:35.204 --> 00:30:38.769 We, we have speed of 1,600 kilometers per hour. 00:30:38.769 --> 00:30:41.379 We, we moving, but we don't feel it, you know? 00:30:41.379 --> 00:30:46.329 So, and the, the, the earth is moving around the sun with the speed 00:30:46.329 --> 00:30:49.179 of 100,000 kilometers per hour. 00:30:49.899 --> 00:30:50.829 And it's incredible. 00:30:50.829 --> 00:30:51.759 Like, and you know what? 00:30:51.884 --> 00:30:56.019 And you don't feel it, but when you, and then I realized, hey, 00:30:56.079 --> 00:30:59.139 this is so, this is amazing. 00:30:59.139 --> 00:31:03.809 But it's also like, so it, it changed my perspective of like, being on that planet. 00:31:04.379 --> 00:31:05.009 You know what I mean? 00:31:05.009 --> 00:31:10.619 It's like seeing from outside and, and feeling the, the speed and almost 00:31:10.619 --> 00:31:11.969 felt like, you know, I'm nothing. 00:31:11.969 --> 00:31:16.049 I'm, I'm, I'm, and, and how f how big the universe is and how 00:31:16.049 --> 00:31:17.999 f everything is so creative. 00:31:17.999 --> 00:31:20.219 So I said like, who am I? 00:31:20.339 --> 00:31:22.349 You know, what am I doing here? 00:31:22.589 --> 00:31:24.869 Why we have wars on earth? 00:31:24.869 --> 00:31:28.709 Why we have so crazy people, like, you know, so that, that 00:31:28.709 --> 00:31:30.149 first journey changed my. 00:31:31.019 --> 00:31:35.189 Perspective of everything myself, the earth, the universe. 00:31:35.939 --> 00:31:39.869 And then, then I got back into my body and I was laying there. 00:31:39.869 --> 00:31:42.539 I said like, wow, this was incredible. 00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:45.089 This was, I've never had this experience before. 00:31:45.569 --> 00:31:50.549 And I was really, it felt like, you know, not looking TV or on the picture. 00:31:50.549 --> 00:31:52.109 It was like my soul was up there. 00:31:52.619 --> 00:31:56.099 And maybe it was, I think it was because maybe my soul was up there 00:31:56.099 --> 00:31:57.419 in form alive or whatever, you know? 00:31:57.419 --> 00:32:02.669 So, and that's a difference of, you know, maybe just meditation or being 00:32:02.669 --> 00:32:04.919 like in a different consciousness. 00:32:05.999 --> 00:32:09.209 Rupert Isaacson: Well, I think consciousness is the, is the word there. 00:32:09.419 --> 00:32:12.539 You know, listening to the current 00:32:14.579 --> 00:32:18.149 conversations that are going on around quantum explorations from 00:32:18.149 --> 00:32:23.009 physicists, it seems that the people who were dubbed crazy, like, 00:32:23.059 --> 00:32:26.929 penrose back in, in, in the uk. 00:32:26.929 --> 00:32:27.859 He was in his nineties. 00:32:27.859 --> 00:32:33.459 Now he, even though he was a, a Nobel laureate, even though he made many, many 00:32:33.729 --> 00:32:37.719 contributions to mainstream science that he was celebrated for when he came up 00:32:37.719 --> 00:32:43.479 with the idea that perhaps the universe is conscious, perhaps physics, the answers in 00:32:43.479 --> 00:32:46.689 in classical physics are just not enough. 00:32:46.819 --> 00:32:54.559 And that they need to interact with fields of consciousness that seem 00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:56.839 to be expressed through quantum. 00:32:57.994 --> 00:32:59.584 He was just, you know, laughed out of town. 00:32:59.584 --> 00:33:04.714 And then you had people like Rupert Shel, Drake, another renowned physicist 00:33:04.714 --> 00:33:08.344 in the uk basically saying the same thing, saying, no, I think, you know, 00:33:08.614 --> 00:33:11.524 from a scientific point of view, the only explanation is that we're dealing 00:33:11.524 --> 00:33:14.764 with a conscious universe and that everything is conscious and that cells 00:33:14.764 --> 00:33:19.624 a conscious, and consciousness is not, not a, not a product of the human brain. 00:33:19.894 --> 00:33:22.744 That the human brain comes from consciousness. 00:33:22.894 --> 00:33:28.234 You know, and that old sort of Judeo-Christian idea of from 00:33:28.234 --> 00:33:32.104 Descartes in the 17th century, I think therefore I am right. 00:33:32.164 --> 00:33:36.214 And so therefore only humans, you know, have spirituality, 00:33:36.214 --> 00:33:37.534 emotion, soul, blah, blah, blah. 00:33:37.534 --> 00:33:40.864 And of course this was taken up by the church with great alacrity 'cause 00:33:40.864 --> 00:33:43.024 it meant one could get away with doing all sorts of horrible things. 00:33:43.024 --> 00:33:46.804 'cause then you could also have a hierarchy of, within humans, you know, 00:33:46.804 --> 00:33:49.144 who, who's more worthy than others. 00:33:49.144 --> 00:33:50.674 And of course that turned out to be white people. 00:33:51.454 --> 00:33:54.544 Especially, you know, ones who are gonna go and do some colonizing. 00:33:54.934 --> 00:34:02.134 All of that seems to be breaking down now, and the people who are exploring fields 00:34:02.134 --> 00:34:07.634 of consciousness in the western world all seem to be coming to this conclusion. 00:34:08.444 --> 00:34:12.144 Talk us through your next journeys, because that was sort of your 00:34:12.624 --> 00:34:14.754 icebreaker, if you like, right? 00:34:14.784 --> 00:34:17.334 Where you you got the new perspective. 00:34:17.334 --> 00:34:23.394 And I remember having that same response when I was sort of in my 00:34:24.264 --> 00:34:28.464 late teens, early twenties, I think when I first ever did psychotropics. 00:34:28.644 --> 00:34:32.244 I think I was living in Canada actually at the time, and when I first did 00:34:32.244 --> 00:34:37.464 LSD and I realized this is before any of my exposure to sort of shamma 00:34:37.464 --> 00:34:38.754 shamanism or anything like that. 00:34:39.264 --> 00:34:42.384 And I remember thinking, this is really useful because this is like 00:34:42.384 --> 00:34:45.264 being taken up to a window on. 00:34:47.064 --> 00:34:52.644 Spirituality or window on altered consciousness or what now people 00:34:52.644 --> 00:34:56.934 might call other fields, but you can't really go through that window. 00:34:57.489 --> 00:35:02.274 The, the drug is also, it gives you the, the perspective, 00:35:02.274 --> 00:35:03.444 but also is the limitation. 00:35:04.264 --> 00:35:10.084 And then later when I encountered, you know, sun Bushman healers and others who 00:35:10.084 --> 00:35:15.874 could go through that window I, of course, you know, my life changed, but I remember 00:35:15.874 --> 00:35:17.464 thinking very early, yes, this is great. 00:35:17.464 --> 00:35:22.054 I'm so glad I got a chance to see through this window, but I 00:35:22.054 --> 00:35:22.864 can't go through that window. 00:35:23.044 --> 00:35:23.344 You know? 00:35:23.974 --> 00:35:31.204 So you, but so you kind of a bit did go through the window on that first 00:35:32.374 --> 00:35:35.134 trip, but not perhaps fully right? 00:35:35.134 --> 00:35:36.214 You're still. 00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:39.859 Aware, well, this is a medicine I've taken, or this is a drug that 00:35:39.859 --> 00:35:40.969 I've taken, it's brought me here. 00:35:41.419 --> 00:35:44.329 How does it then develop, talk, talk us through the next couple, when's the next 00:35:44.329 --> 00:35:49.489 sort of most significant moment in, in these journeys that stands out for you? 00:35:50.239 --> 00:35:50.689 Right. 00:35:50.984 --> 00:35:54.469 Ralf Daab: And, and this is very the most significant story I was 00:35:54.469 --> 00:35:56.299 like before, went on the journey. 00:35:56.304 --> 00:36:00.259 I said like, you know, I wanna really know what am I doing in my, my life here? 00:36:00.289 --> 00:36:01.159 What is my purpose? 00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:01.999 What is my calling? 00:36:01.999 --> 00:36:05.329 Like, you know, am I really doing the things I'm supposed to do? 00:36:05.329 --> 00:36:10.249 Like, so sometimes you, you can ask questions before or, you know, but it's, 00:36:10.249 --> 00:36:11.839 it's not necessarily that it comes up. 00:36:11.839 --> 00:36:14.719 The subconscious will tell you what, you know, what's important. 00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:19.099 But in this case, it came up and so I was listening to music. 00:36:19.099 --> 00:36:20.389 It was same thing. 00:36:20.389 --> 00:36:23.269 It was on a mattress listening to music, and it was a kind of, 00:36:23.329 --> 00:36:25.999 kind of Arabian melody music. 00:36:26.749 --> 00:36:32.294 So suddenly I saw myself on a bazaar in Persia, but some hundred years ago. 00:36:33.544 --> 00:36:36.244 So I was walking through, was bizarre, looking at, you know, 00:36:36.244 --> 00:36:40.684 beautiful things like bases, like carpets, like beautiful things. 00:36:40.684 --> 00:36:43.594 And the people like who were selling that, they know me, they, they 00:36:43.594 --> 00:36:46.024 offered me to take, oh, take a look at here and there and there. 00:36:46.894 --> 00:36:50.524 So, and then suddenly two guards came, like soldiers, and they Japanese said 00:36:50.524 --> 00:36:52.654 like, oh, I, you are Ralph, right? 00:36:53.194 --> 00:36:57.314 And yeah, I said like, yeah come on, the, the Salton wants to see you. 00:36:57.794 --> 00:36:59.384 I said, Saltan, why Saltan? 00:36:59.384 --> 00:36:59.654 Yeah. 00:36:59.654 --> 00:37:00.164 Come on. 00:37:00.464 --> 00:37:02.144 So, and, and I'm telling this story. 00:37:02.144 --> 00:37:03.764 I'm really in that story. 00:37:03.764 --> 00:37:06.224 I'm not, you know, looking from the outside and then 00:37:06.224 --> 00:37:08.264 see the, I'm in the story. 00:37:08.474 --> 00:37:09.344 It's the same thing. 00:37:09.344 --> 00:37:09.944 As I said before. 00:37:09.944 --> 00:37:13.244 My soul was in the, I like up in space now. 00:37:13.244 --> 00:37:15.854 My soul was in Persia some hundred years ago. 00:37:16.814 --> 00:37:21.344 And I, you know, I could hear the voices, I could see everything like, as I would 00:37:21.404 --> 00:37:23.714 be there, like, so I was in the, in the. 00:37:24.699 --> 00:37:29.079 I was, yeah, walking with the palace and, and towards the, the sultan. 00:37:29.109 --> 00:37:31.779 So the Sultan said, hello, Ralph, very nice to see you. 00:37:32.499 --> 00:37:33.309 Glad you came. 00:37:33.759 --> 00:37:35.639 And and then he said that this is it. 00:37:35.699 --> 00:37:38.489 They say, you can see the beauty. 00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:43.529 Show me the beauty in this world, because I cannot see the beauty show the 00:37:43.529 --> 00:37:45.299 beauty to me, and I will make you rich. 00:37:45.299 --> 00:37:48.269 So I said, okay, all right. 00:37:48.269 --> 00:37:52.139 So that's, and then I, this stopped, story stopped, and it was like in the 00:37:52.139 --> 00:37:54.479 conversation with the guy was with me. 00:37:54.479 --> 00:37:57.539 He said like, you know what, I could just experience I salt like 00:37:57.539 --> 00:37:58.979 some hundred years ago in Persia. 00:37:59.189 --> 00:38:00.509 He said, yeah, what does it mean? 00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:03.629 Like your subconscious wants to tell you something of that. 00:38:04.049 --> 00:38:04.680 So, yeah, yeah. 00:38:04.709 --> 00:38:08.789 I'm doing books like for the last 20 years I published books on architecture, 00:38:08.819 --> 00:38:13.199 art, fashion, you know, to show beautiful things, you know, to other people. 00:38:13.469 --> 00:38:14.369 That's what I'm doing. 00:38:14.399 --> 00:38:14.639 Yeah. 00:38:14.669 --> 00:38:15.149 Okay. 00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:17.369 So, all right, that's that. 00:38:17.549 --> 00:38:21.239 So now, now I know that I'm doing the right thing, you know, because. 00:38:21.764 --> 00:38:23.654 That's what my subconscious told me. 00:38:24.704 --> 00:38:29.084 The funny, now the thing is like one of the next, not the next one, but the, the 00:38:29.084 --> 00:38:33.584 journey after like, I don't know, four months later, did the Suan feel that you 00:38:33.584 --> 00:38:37.004 did show him the beauty, or did Yeah. 00:38:37.004 --> 00:38:38.624 That the story continues. 00:38:38.834 --> 00:38:39.014 Mm-hmm. 00:38:39.254 --> 00:38:43.844 Like four months later, say music comes up, you know, mattress. 00:38:43.844 --> 00:38:46.844 And I was like, oh, I'm in Persia again. 00:38:47.234 --> 00:38:49.424 And I said, oh, oh, let's see what's gonna happen. 00:38:50.084 --> 00:38:54.194 So I'm in front of the S again and he says like, oh yeah, glad you're back. 00:38:54.434 --> 00:38:57.284 I, you know, I watch you and then you do a good job. 00:38:57.344 --> 00:38:57.914 Continue. 00:38:57.944 --> 00:38:58.724 It is all right. 00:38:58.724 --> 00:39:00.644 You know, that's, you're doing the right thing. 00:39:01.104 --> 00:39:02.334 But I have to tell you something. 00:39:02.694 --> 00:39:03.819 I said, okay, what do you have to tell him? 00:39:04.224 --> 00:39:05.874 And he says, I don't exist. 00:39:06.264 --> 00:39:07.884 I said, what do you mean you don't exist? 00:39:07.884 --> 00:39:08.544 Who are you? 00:39:09.084 --> 00:39:14.544 And then he says, in this word, I'm God, I'm the universe, and I'm you. 00:39:14.784 --> 00:39:15.864 And then he vanished. 00:39:15.894 --> 00:39:17.604 He, he exposed, he's gone. 00:39:17.994 --> 00:39:18.864 The palace is gone. 00:39:18.864 --> 00:39:19.614 Everything is gone. 00:39:19.614 --> 00:39:20.934 I'm on the mattress, I'm back. 00:39:20.934 --> 00:39:21.834 And the said what? 00:39:22.704 --> 00:39:23.004 Yeah. 00:39:23.004 --> 00:39:25.434 And then talking to the guy, I said that, yeah, it was just happens. 00:39:25.434 --> 00:39:30.004 Had the high spiritual experience saying like, it's all in my set. 00:39:30.004 --> 00:39:33.604 And me the sultan is just, I'm you. 00:39:33.664 --> 00:39:34.954 He said, like, it's in me. 00:39:35.254 --> 00:39:37.504 So it's all there. 00:39:38.104 --> 00:39:41.344 And that's, that's an incredible story. 00:39:42.064 --> 00:39:45.694 Now now I know that I'm on the right path. 00:39:45.754 --> 00:39:52.744 So what happened then is we were in California two years ago and we 00:39:52.774 --> 00:39:54.454 were down in San Diego, LA Jolla. 00:39:54.454 --> 00:39:57.534 It's like, a place I know, 'cause I've been there many times when I 00:39:57.534 --> 00:40:02.604 lived in the us So I was going to the bookstore and check out the bookstore. 00:40:03.144 --> 00:40:05.844 So there was a, I sort of sign psychic reading. 00:40:05.904 --> 00:40:07.764 I said like, ah, I'm curious. 00:40:07.764 --> 00:40:08.844 Let's say, let's go there. 00:40:08.844 --> 00:40:11.544 So I called and said like, come like in half an hour. 00:40:12.084 --> 00:40:15.344 So, so walk in and there's an old lady, beautiful setting, you 00:40:15.344 --> 00:40:16.604 know, it was more like a gallery. 00:40:17.114 --> 00:40:19.214 And I asked her, what, what can you do? 00:40:19.214 --> 00:40:22.244 So, and she said like, I, I can do a reading. 00:40:22.844 --> 00:40:23.864 I said, okay, let's do it. 00:40:23.864 --> 00:40:26.234 So one hour she said, like you said, just sit down. 00:40:26.264 --> 00:40:28.874 You don't say anything, you know, just listen. 00:40:28.874 --> 00:40:30.734 And after that you can ask questions. 00:40:31.004 --> 00:40:36.854 Like afterwards, in one hour she told me everything about my childhood, my, my 00:40:36.854 --> 00:40:41.864 life, my relationships, my, the things I'm doing, business wise, everything. 00:40:41.894 --> 00:40:42.704 And now it comes. 00:40:43.034 --> 00:40:49.154 Then she told me, in a former life you were in Persia on Aza you were responsible 00:40:49.154 --> 00:40:50.564 to show people beautiful things. 00:40:50.594 --> 00:40:53.624 Can you imagine like a psychic reader in California? 00:40:53.624 --> 00:40:54.194 That's real. 00:40:54.374 --> 00:40:56.174 It's not, that's not a journey. 00:40:56.174 --> 00:40:58.064 That's not, that's real life. 00:40:58.754 --> 00:41:04.124 She tells me the story I experienced on an Emily MJ journey six months before. 00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:05.279 Incredible. 00:41:05.614 --> 00:41:10.589 And then, and then af especially then I knew that's, that's something real, 00:41:10.709 --> 00:41:13.199 you know, now I know it's, it's there. 00:41:13.829 --> 00:41:17.219 It doesn't matter if it's a journey and the image or it's real life. 00:41:17.459 --> 00:41:19.649 It, it's, it's the same basically. 00:41:19.649 --> 00:41:23.279 And how can she possibly know that, you know? 00:41:23.279 --> 00:41:24.829 And did you ask her how she did? 00:41:24.829 --> 00:41:25.219 Yeah. 00:41:25.264 --> 00:41:26.390 And, and she said like, what? 00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:28.969 She said, like, when I walked in, she said, like, I was, 00:41:29.149 --> 00:41:30.169 she could see everything. 00:41:30.229 --> 00:41:31.129 I was open. 00:41:31.429 --> 00:41:34.034 She said like, you know, you are very open. 00:41:34.034 --> 00:41:35.744 And then I told her about the journeys. 00:41:36.194 --> 00:41:39.734 She said, okay, now I know because you did the journeys, you're, you're very open. 00:41:39.739 --> 00:41:44.819 You can, you know, so you're I, I have a feeling also that I can, things are 00:41:44.819 --> 00:41:49.349 channeled to me, you know, sometimes, you know, says, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:41:49.379 --> 00:41:50.849 That's all, that's you. 00:41:51.299 --> 00:41:52.049 And it's incredible. 00:41:52.049 --> 00:41:57.139 Then after that you said like, okay, now I'm, I'm really like the next level. 00:41:57.724 --> 00:42:01.444 Of my myself, basically, you know? 00:42:01.444 --> 00:42:06.364 So, and that showed me that what, what's in me, in my subconscious 00:42:06.514 --> 00:42:08.044 comes out through the MDA major. 00:42:08.044 --> 00:42:09.244 It is in real life. 00:42:09.394 --> 00:42:13.304 It's like what calla synchronicity happens, you know, like you 00:42:13.304 --> 00:42:15.824 experience things in real life. 00:42:16.334 --> 00:42:18.824 Maybe you have a dream or you have a journey. 00:42:18.824 --> 00:42:20.024 I'm the major, whatever. 00:42:20.024 --> 00:42:22.424 Or maybe mushrooms and things are happening. 00:42:23.064 --> 00:42:25.794 And that's, I think, great. 00:42:27.084 --> 00:42:27.864 It opens up 00:42:28.374 --> 00:42:28.884 Rupert Isaacson: many doors. 00:42:28.884 --> 00:42:33.924 Did she elucidate or do you feel that what's going on with a thing 00:42:33.924 --> 00:42:36.864 like that is that you were dealing actually with a linear timeline? 00:42:36.864 --> 00:42:41.544 Like I used to be that person I, I'm, I'm now reincarnated as this person? 00:42:41.634 --> 00:42:49.644 Or do you or she feel that No, these are existing and overlapping parallels, fields 00:42:49.644 --> 00:42:52.764 of consciousness, which are perhaps. 00:42:53.484 --> 00:42:54.954 Happening simultaneously. 00:42:55.314 --> 00:42:55.614 Yeah. 00:42:55.614 --> 00:42:58.164 It's more like I experienced it happening all at the same time. 00:42:58.554 --> 00:43:00.834 So you are still the Yeah. 00:43:00.834 --> 00:43:02.104 It's person in Persia. 00:43:02.704 --> 00:43:02.884 Yeah. 00:43:02.884 --> 00:43:06.119 And you are still whoever you were or will be, right? 00:43:06.244 --> 00:43:06.604 Ralf Daab: Right. 00:43:06.784 --> 00:43:08.224 Even like in, in formal lives. 00:43:08.224 --> 00:43:12.364 But also now I'm still the young Ralph, the, the baby Ralph, the, the 00:43:12.364 --> 00:43:15.904 5-year-old Ralph, the 15-year-old Ralph. 00:43:15.934 --> 00:43:18.519 I'm, I'm also, but I'm also the 90-year-old Ralph. 00:43:18.859 --> 00:43:22.324 Old, old Ralph already I'm, everything's at the same time. 00:43:22.564 --> 00:43:24.334 It's just a different perspective. 00:43:25.294 --> 00:43:29.434 You know, when you look at this and you can say it's just, if I'm like 00:43:29.624 --> 00:43:35.024 I'm now 60 years old, so if I go like 55 light years away, I look to the 00:43:35.024 --> 00:43:36.944 earth and I see the 5-year-old Ralph. 00:43:37.244 --> 00:43:39.524 So it's all at the same time. 00:43:40.424 --> 00:43:44.294 And the great thing is what I experienced myself, is to find the 00:43:44.294 --> 00:43:46.934 old, the 5-year-old Ralph again in me. 00:43:47.369 --> 00:43:51.689 To let the, let the, the young Ralph play again, like the, you know, be 00:43:51.689 --> 00:43:54.919 silly, be, you know, open and yeah. 00:43:54.919 --> 00:43:55.999 And that's a great thing. 00:43:55.999 --> 00:44:00.559 So to know that everything is there at the same time, time is nothing. 00:44:00.799 --> 00:44:01.129 Time 00:44:01.129 --> 00:44:05.599 Rupert Isaacson: is, was it, was it Einstein who said that time may 00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:10.069 just be a particularly stubborn illusion brought about by gravity? 00:44:10.199 --> 00:44:13.529 Yeah, I'm not sure I understand that, but that's certainly something he said. 00:44:14.039 --> 00:44:19.319 But I, I suppose I could actually, because if you add weight and mass 00:44:19.319 --> 00:44:23.459 to things, you know, you've probably seen those diagrams of the idea of 00:44:23.459 --> 00:44:24.899 space and time being like a net. 00:44:24.899 --> 00:44:28.144 And you put planet like ball that sits on it, goes whoop, like that. 00:44:28.144 --> 00:44:28.424 Yeah. 00:44:28.434 --> 00:44:28.784 Right. 00:44:28.784 --> 00:44:34.289 And that warp kind of effect of like the ball on the blanket with a 00:44:34.289 --> 00:44:36.089 blanket then gets a big bulge in it. 00:44:36.899 --> 00:44:40.349 If we are sort of in the middle of that, we then might experience that 00:44:40.529 --> 00:44:43.829 heaviness, that weight as time could be. 00:44:43.829 --> 00:44:46.979 Could that be, I mean, that sounds as, as feasible as anything else to me. 00:44:46.979 --> 00:44:49.469 I don't see why that wouldn't be, particularly when you've got 00:44:49.469 --> 00:44:51.029 people like Einstein saying it. 00:44:51.569 --> 00:44:51.989 Okay. 00:44:51.989 --> 00:44:54.489 Take us through the next thing. 00:44:54.489 --> 00:44:58.239 But before you get there, there's actually just something I'd like to also add. 00:44:58.629 --> 00:45:01.809 When I've been with indigenous peoples frequently, their 00:45:01.809 --> 00:45:04.969 perception of time is not linear. 00:45:05.449 --> 00:45:06.649 It's often more vertical. 00:45:06.679 --> 00:45:10.459 The idea is again, that it's all these things are happening simultaneously. 00:45:11.689 --> 00:45:14.149 You own lifespan is happening simultaneously. 00:45:14.209 --> 00:45:18.529 You are, as you say, your young self, your old self, your dead self, your previous 00:45:18.529 --> 00:45:20.509 self, your next self, all of that. 00:45:20.509 --> 00:45:23.149 That's all at the same time. 00:45:23.539 --> 00:45:26.869 It's just that where your awareness is, is now. 00:45:27.499 --> 00:45:27.739 Yeah. 00:45:27.789 --> 00:45:30.339 And that, of course there is only the present because no 00:45:30.339 --> 00:45:31.629 one's ever been able to see. 00:45:32.274 --> 00:45:32.874 Anything else. 00:45:33.184 --> 00:45:36.214 But there are all those presence are constantly going on together. 00:45:36.214 --> 00:45:40.084 And I've had that, I've had that presented to me many, many 00:45:40.084 --> 00:45:43.054 times in indigenous settings. 00:45:43.224 --> 00:45:45.474 And then watch people do really interesting things with that. 00:45:45.474 --> 00:45:46.344 Then I just say it. 00:45:46.344 --> 00:45:51.054 But then they will go into an altered set of consciousness and in front of my eyes, 00:45:51.234 --> 00:45:54.654 pull something physically outta somebody's body who's sick and they get well. 00:45:54.654 --> 00:45:58.674 Again, I, I've seen that many people who've gone and spent time 00:45:58.674 --> 00:46:01.074 in those sorts of parts of the world would have similar stories. 00:46:01.444 --> 00:46:05.464 So clearly it's been put to some sort of practical use. 00:46:05.884 --> 00:46:09.634 It's just within our context in our culture, we find it confusing. 00:46:10.174 --> 00:46:16.744 Tell us then again, you, okay, so there's, there's you in Persia twice. 00:46:17.014 --> 00:46:18.634 There you are in San Diego. 00:46:18.634 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no. 00:48:22.979 --> 00:48:26.339 It's really, I can tell the story because it's once, this story is really, when 00:48:26.339 --> 00:48:31.139 I do the reading, you know, especially woman asked me, how, how did you do that? 00:48:31.139 --> 00:48:33.179 So I had sex with myself. 00:48:33.689 --> 00:48:34.199 Ah, I 00:48:34.199 --> 00:48:34.859 Ralf Daab: explain it now. 00:48:34.859 --> 00:48:35.249 Were you good? 00:48:36.179 --> 00:48:37.139 Yes, absolutely. 00:48:37.139 --> 00:48:39.059 And then, and it was incredible what a relief 00:48:39.614 --> 00:48:40.164 Rupert Isaacson: would be. 00:48:40.904 --> 00:48:43.199 Ralf Daab: Can you imagine if you like, well, that was a bit shit. 00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:46.939 No, no, I was yeah, same thing. 00:48:46.939 --> 00:48:48.364 So I was, music was good. 00:48:48.364 --> 00:48:49.969 I was feeling really good. 00:48:49.969 --> 00:48:53.649 And so I, I started touching myself, but it felt like, you know, I'm 00:48:53.649 --> 00:48:56.349 touching somebody else, like with my hands, with somebody else. 00:48:56.349 --> 00:48:59.229 And I realized, oh, you know, came up. 00:48:59.259 --> 00:49:06.339 Oh, sex is good, you know, and then I saw myself as a man, as I am as Ralph. 00:49:07.209 --> 00:49:09.129 But then I realized there's something different. 00:49:09.564 --> 00:49:11.634 So I was also the woman. 00:49:12.534 --> 00:49:19.014 I was both, I was me and the woman, and I felt both, you know, 00:49:19.014 --> 00:49:20.484 both sides, basically both feet. 00:49:20.649 --> 00:49:24.804 I, I could feel myself and when I, when I, as Ralph as a man touched 00:49:24.834 --> 00:49:29.064 the woman, the Ralph, whatever name touched, I could feel both sides. 00:49:29.934 --> 00:49:32.304 So, and then we had sex, and then we really had sex. 00:49:32.304 --> 00:49:33.714 So we had Did you enter yourself? 00:49:33.714 --> 00:49:33.954 Yes. 00:49:33.954 --> 00:49:33.955 Yes. 00:49:33.960 --> 00:49:34.434 Did you feel 00:49:34.434 --> 00:49:35.634 Rupert Isaacson: yourself being entered by you? 00:49:35.634 --> 00:49:35.934 Yes. 00:49:36.084 --> 00:49:36.534 Yes. 00:49:36.774 --> 00:49:37.254 Ralf Daab: Yes. 00:49:37.374 --> 00:49:37.644 Rupert Isaacson: Okay. 00:49:37.644 --> 00:49:40.644 So you, you as a man know what it feels like to penetrate, how did it feel 00:49:40.644 --> 00:49:43.584 to be penetrated from that feeling? 00:49:43.584 --> 00:49:45.204 Very, very, very, very good. 00:49:45.264 --> 00:49:48.744 It felt very, what can you, can you, can you be more specific? 00:49:48.744 --> 00:49:49.044 Like, 00:49:49.254 --> 00:49:52.224 Ralf Daab: I felt like, I felt it was very tender. 00:49:52.224 --> 00:49:53.634 It was like smooth. 00:49:53.634 --> 00:49:55.044 It was lovely. 00:49:55.044 --> 00:49:56.094 It was, you know, 00:49:56.574 --> 00:49:59.114 Rupert Isaacson: very what was the emotional component of 00:49:59.114 --> 00:50:01.454 having this lover inside you? 00:50:01.514 --> 00:50:02.369 It was love. 00:50:02.369 --> 00:50:05.354 Ralf Daab: It was, it was, it felt like love, you know, like 00:50:05.474 --> 00:50:07.604 everything, you know, so it felt. 00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:13.379 Felt like I, I was, I would be one once, you know, everything in both. 00:50:13.379 --> 00:50:17.429 But I, I had my, the, the feminine side and I had the masculine 00:50:17.429 --> 00:50:20.609 side, and it was incredible. 00:50:20.609 --> 00:50:24.629 So I, for me as a man afterwards, I was saying like, okay, it's good. 00:50:24.629 --> 00:50:25.649 I'm, I'm very soft. 00:50:25.649 --> 00:50:27.569 I'm tender, I'm, I'm, I'm a good man. 00:50:27.569 --> 00:50:33.419 I'm very, you know, like, you know, so I, I think that woman feels 00:50:33.539 --> 00:50:35.159 feel good in my, you know, with me. 00:50:35.159 --> 00:50:38.729 So, and the other side was like, oh yeah, he's a good, he's great. 00:50:38.729 --> 00:50:40.209 He's so it was both 00:50:40.209 --> 00:50:41.019 Rupert Isaacson: sides. 00:50:41.769 --> 00:50:43.989 And he's credible, like when I, do you think it was an exercise in 00:50:43.989 --> 00:50:46.539 self-acceptance in some metaphorical way? 00:50:46.539 --> 00:50:46.719 Yeah. 00:50:46.749 --> 00:50:47.109 Kind of. 00:50:47.109 --> 00:50:47.439 Kind of, 00:50:47.469 --> 00:50:47.859 Ralf Daab: yes. 00:50:48.009 --> 00:50:48.369 Yeah. 00:50:49.119 --> 00:50:51.999 It was funny, like, when I do the readings, most women ask 00:50:51.999 --> 00:50:53.349 me, oh, how, how does it feel? 00:50:53.349 --> 00:50:56.109 And then how, how does it work to get into that feeling? 00:50:56.109 --> 00:50:59.439 Because they wanna experience the same thing, but also as a man. 00:50:59.499 --> 00:50:59.889 Sure. 00:51:00.279 --> 00:51:00.759 You know, 00:51:00.759 --> 00:51:01.779 Rupert Isaacson: everyone has that curiosity. 00:51:01.779 --> 00:51:02.199 And then for 00:51:02.199 --> 00:51:05.049 Ralf Daab: me it was like, this journey was like to, to show me 00:51:05.049 --> 00:51:10.689 that everything is also in me, the feminine side and the masculine side. 00:51:10.689 --> 00:51:16.209 And my feminine part, I would say is also, I would say, bit 00:51:16.209 --> 00:51:17.979 larger than maybe other men. 00:51:18.549 --> 00:51:22.149 So I have real good feminine side also. 00:51:22.989 --> 00:51:29.579 And that was this journey, you know, to experience the sexual part on both sides. 00:51:31.169 --> 00:51:31.919 Rupert Isaacson: So, 00:51:32.729 --> 00:51:33.179 Ralf Daab: yeah, 00:51:33.539 --> 00:51:37.019 Rupert Isaacson: it's interesting that you say that because I have a, it's not 00:51:37.019 --> 00:51:42.809 exactly a recurring dream, but it's a dream where the, there's a recognition 00:51:42.809 --> 00:51:49.469 that is recurring where sometimes I meet a young woman, and this has happened to me. 00:51:51.179 --> 00:51:51.779 Oh. 00:51:53.729 --> 00:51:57.659 Many times in the, over the decades, and there's this absolute falling 00:51:57.659 --> 00:52:04.469 in love and but also a sense of, I know you, and sometimes we 00:52:04.469 --> 00:52:05.759 make love and sometimes we don't. 00:52:05.759 --> 00:52:12.599 But there's always this great joy and a feeling of homecoming and acceptance. 00:52:12.629 --> 00:52:18.809 And then when I wake up, sometimes I wake up with tears, not from loss, not 00:52:18.809 --> 00:52:22.769 because I've had to wake up and that person has gone, but sort of tears of joy. 00:52:24.059 --> 00:52:29.129 And then at a heart level, what comes through is, oh, that was your soul. 00:52:29.459 --> 00:52:30.299 You met your soul. 00:52:30.629 --> 00:52:32.879 And it's interesting to me that my soul is always feminine 00:52:34.019 --> 00:52:37.259 and occasionally it's a horse. 00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:37.769 Mm-hmm. 00:52:38.009 --> 00:52:41.249 Occasionally I meet a horse that talks, we don't make love. 00:52:41.619 --> 00:52:48.969 But we do hang out and we, and we the interactions we have are very sweet. 00:52:50.199 --> 00:52:52.539 Very loving. 00:52:52.539 --> 00:52:53.859 There is this feeling of 00:52:56.709 --> 00:53:04.119 a family, family or so less romantic than when I meet the young woman. 00:53:05.259 --> 00:53:09.459 But nonetheless, the same exact feeling and the same heart 00:53:09.459 --> 00:53:11.199 thought, that's your soul. 00:53:11.499 --> 00:53:13.299 And then I'm always so grateful afterwards. 00:53:13.299 --> 00:53:19.509 I always do a meditation or, or pray around gratitude and say, thank you, thank 00:53:19.509 --> 00:53:26.049 you, thank you God universe for allowing me to make contact with my soul like 00:53:26.109 --> 00:53:33.099 that because it means that I can carry that feeling around with me almost like 00:53:33.099 --> 00:53:35.779 a little happiness garden inside myself. 00:53:35.879 --> 00:53:38.249 And it sounds like you are describing. 00:53:39.059 --> 00:53:42.179 A very, very intense version of something like that, perhaps. 00:53:42.269 --> 00:53:42.419 Mm-hmm. 00:53:42.809 --> 00:53:44.999 Rupert Isaacson: Has that happened to you again since, or No. 00:53:45.029 --> 00:53:45.929 Was that a one time? 00:53:46.079 --> 00:53:47.159 That was a one time, yeah. 00:53:47.549 --> 00:53:47.849 Ralf Daab: Yeah. 00:53:48.119 --> 00:53:48.869 But it's there now. 00:53:48.869 --> 00:53:49.469 Now I know. 00:53:49.469 --> 00:53:50.159 Like, it's in me 00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:50.909 Rupert Isaacson: like, like 00:53:50.999 --> 00:53:51.329 Ralf Daab: Right. 00:53:51.329 --> 00:53:51.419 Do 00:53:51.419 --> 00:53:51.479 Rupert Isaacson: you 00:53:51.479 --> 00:53:51.659 Ralf Daab: feel 00:53:51.659 --> 00:53:52.949 Rupert Isaacson: you can access that state? 00:53:52.954 --> 00:53:53.024 Yeah. 00:53:53.519 --> 00:53:54.029 Ralf Daab: Yeah. 00:53:54.419 --> 00:53:54.719 Yeah. 00:53:55.379 --> 00:53:58.799 It's with everything, you know, the thing is like, every story is comforting. 00:53:58.799 --> 00:54:01.469 I think that that's the word I'm trying to Yeah, yeah. 00:54:01.529 --> 00:54:01.799 Right. 00:54:01.799 --> 00:54:02.009 Yeah. 00:54:02.879 --> 00:54:05.549 Every story I experience like is, it's in me. 00:54:05.549 --> 00:54:08.789 It's, it's, it's right there, you know, different situations. 00:54:08.789 --> 00:54:10.469 I can pull it up and say, oh, yeah. 00:54:11.229 --> 00:54:13.599 There's another great story I tell you. 00:54:13.629 --> 00:54:14.109 Mm-hmm. 00:54:14.139 --> 00:54:14.349 Please. 00:54:14.459 --> 00:54:18.089 I always had a dream for years because you were talking about a dream. 00:54:18.459 --> 00:54:21.219 In real life, like, I had dream like years and years and years. 00:54:21.344 --> 00:54:24.999 I, I, you know, I was flying a lot, you know, when I lived in New York, I was 00:54:25.149 --> 00:54:27.249 like always on the, you know, plane. 00:54:27.249 --> 00:54:28.359 Like, I don't know. 00:54:29.264 --> 00:54:29.384 I. 00:54:29.604 --> 00:54:30.684 Every week almost. 00:54:30.734 --> 00:54:35.214 I never had fear of flying or, you know, something, but in that dream the plane 00:54:35.214 --> 00:54:38.724 crashed and in the, in the dark woods. 00:54:38.724 --> 00:54:42.234 So, you know, I survive and everybody in the plane survive. 00:54:42.234 --> 00:54:45.144 So, but I'm standing in the front of the wreck, the, the 00:54:45.144 --> 00:54:46.734 wreckage that, of the plane. 00:54:47.184 --> 00:54:52.529 And then the dream always stops there in the, in the, in darkness. 00:54:52.554 --> 00:54:53.304 And this is a dream 00:54:53.304 --> 00:54:55.649 Rupert Isaacson: outside of these MDMA journey, right? 00:54:55.654 --> 00:54:55.914 Right. 00:54:55.914 --> 00:54:56.484 Like the dream 00:54:56.484 --> 00:54:58.734 Ralf Daab: I had like, for, for years, 10 years or so. 00:54:58.734 --> 00:54:59.004 Okay. 00:54:59.004 --> 00:55:01.254 Even, even more 15 years or so. 00:55:02.094 --> 00:55:04.994 So I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm standing in front of the wreckage and, and and it's 00:55:04.994 --> 00:55:07.424 dark and then the dream stops there. 00:55:07.484 --> 00:55:09.224 I wake up and the dream stops there. 00:55:09.704 --> 00:55:12.764 So on one of the journeys, the dream comes up. 00:55:13.514 --> 00:55:14.414 Same thing. 00:55:14.564 --> 00:55:19.274 I'm standing in front of the wreckage and, and now I start walking. 00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:22.859 Into the darkness. 00:55:22.919 --> 00:55:24.479 You know, it, I could see nothing. 00:55:24.479 --> 00:55:28.739 It was just black, you know, woods black, nothing could see anything. 00:55:29.399 --> 00:55:33.689 How about I keep walking and then suddenly a, a girl stands there in 00:55:33.689 --> 00:55:37.079 this white skirt, like a little, like five year, four year girl, girl. 00:55:38.369 --> 00:55:40.469 And she puts me like an amlin around my neck. 00:55:41.999 --> 00:55:46.739 And then she, she tells me that, go your path into the light. 00:55:47.399 --> 00:55:48.479 Walk into the light. 00:55:49.619 --> 00:55:51.479 So I keep walking, walking. 00:55:51.479 --> 00:55:54.539 Suddenly I see a light, you know, in the woods. 00:55:54.539 --> 00:56:01.039 So, and I get there and then and there's a huge deer like in, in the middle, standing 00:56:01.039 --> 00:56:04.639 there in the light, and he steps aside. 00:56:04.969 --> 00:56:11.179 And I go in there and I start dancing in that space where the light is. 00:56:12.289 --> 00:56:14.569 And then suddenly I, I'm, I'm on a stage. 00:56:14.914 --> 00:56:18.184 I'm in a huge stage, and then the curtains open, and then there are 00:56:18.274 --> 00:56:19.894 thousands of people applauding. 00:56:20.404 --> 00:56:23.874 And then I'm, I'm back there on stage dancing again. 00:56:24.864 --> 00:56:29.814 So what tells me that metaphor was like, yes, I was, I was broke, you 00:56:29.814 --> 00:56:34.464 know, I was like, you know, lost kind of like, and I was lost in real 00:56:34.464 --> 00:56:37.104 life, so I was lost standing there. 00:56:37.104 --> 00:56:41.334 I was not dead, but, and then I start walking and this little 00:56:41.334 --> 00:56:42.809 girl gives me like an omelet. 00:56:42.834 --> 00:56:44.604 Like say, okay, go into the light. 00:56:45.174 --> 00:56:48.954 And then I'm, I'm on stage dancing and I'm back into my life. 00:56:48.954 --> 00:56:49.944 I'm back on stage. 00:56:50.004 --> 00:56:53.094 I'm, so, it's a fantastic story for me. 00:56:53.094 --> 00:56:58.494 And ever since it's like, I don't know, two years ago, never had that dream again. 00:57:00.594 --> 00:57:04.609 'cause it's the, the, the situation is solved now, you know? 00:57:04.709 --> 00:57:05.544 You know what I mean? 00:57:05.544 --> 00:57:09.234 Like, I'm back on stage and there was an old life that 00:57:09.234 --> 00:57:10.624 Rupert Isaacson: had to end sort of. 00:57:12.054 --> 00:57:18.174 Yeah, very businessy, very flying, roundy involved type life. 00:57:19.074 --> 00:57:19.224 Right. 00:57:19.224 --> 00:57:22.164 It needed to end, but when that ends, of course, yeah. 00:57:22.164 --> 00:57:24.714 One feels lost for a while. 00:57:25.704 --> 00:57:26.124 Yeah. 00:57:26.304 --> 00:57:28.494 Until one is put on the next stage. 00:57:28.494 --> 00:57:31.284 I could see, I could see the logic of that. 00:57:32.689 --> 00:57:33.834 So that was really like, 00:57:33.874 --> 00:57:34.264 Ralf Daab: Yeah. 00:57:35.914 --> 00:57:36.904 Never had that dream again. 00:57:36.904 --> 00:57:37.924 I don't need that dream again. 00:57:37.954 --> 00:57:41.224 'cause now I'm back in state basically kind of like, okay, I'm back 00:57:42.694 --> 00:57:49.144 Rupert Isaacson: now before we come to where you are back to, which 00:57:49.144 --> 00:57:53.104 is different to where you were and perhaps an old self did have to die. 00:57:53.944 --> 00:57:56.344 Talk to me about death. 00:57:56.404 --> 00:58:03.544 So with these journeys, you experienced perspective, you 00:58:03.544 --> 00:58:05.944 experienced love and self-acceptance. 00:58:05.944 --> 00:58:07.024 You experienced. 00:58:08.009 --> 00:58:12.689 Different fields of consciousness and vertical parallel timelines. 00:58:16.409 --> 00:58:16.949 Ralf Daab: I know what you, 00:58:17.249 --> 00:58:17.549 Rupert Isaacson: yeah. 00:58:18.179 --> 00:58:20.124 Have you experienced death and if so, yes. 00:58:20.759 --> 00:58:20.879 Yes. 00:58:21.179 --> 00:58:22.079 Tell me about that. 00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:23.279 Yes, I experienced 00:58:23.279 --> 00:58:25.559 Ralf Daab: my own death and it was wonderful. 00:58:26.639 --> 00:58:29.369 Some people would say, oh, scaring, or, you know, I don't 00:58:29.369 --> 00:58:33.059 want to, you know, experience that I did and it was wonderful. 00:58:33.059 --> 00:58:38.599 So the thing is, I, I was, you know, same thing, you know, mattress music 00:58:38.599 --> 00:58:43.669 is on and I see myself on the beach in os Gore, that's in France, like 00:58:43.669 --> 00:58:48.149 on the Atlantic Coast where we go almost every year for a long time now. 00:58:48.229 --> 00:58:49.519 It's like a soul place for me. 00:58:49.519 --> 00:58:53.179 Like it's, you know, so I see myself like on the beach sitting 00:58:53.179 --> 00:58:57.079 there in the arms of a woman, but I don't see the woman behind me. 00:58:57.529 --> 00:58:59.089 But I'm sitting there and then I. 00:58:59.374 --> 00:59:01.264 The number 96 comes up. 00:59:01.414 --> 00:59:03.064 So my age, 96. 00:59:03.364 --> 00:59:04.654 I say, wow, that's fantastic. 00:59:04.654 --> 00:59:05.884 I'm 96 years old. 00:59:05.884 --> 00:59:06.934 I had a good life. 00:59:07.294 --> 00:59:09.544 I it's a lot of time. 00:59:09.694 --> 00:59:14.824 So, and then I felt that my soul is leaving my body, you know, it's like going 00:59:14.824 --> 00:59:19.204 out of my body, like over the sand and the water up in the, through the cloud. 00:59:19.294 --> 00:59:23.594 There were no clouds, but up in the sky and then into space and, and it said 00:59:23.594 --> 00:59:25.754 like, I'm dying and actually a diet. 00:59:26.444 --> 00:59:31.034 And the woman behind me said, like, you know, I'm, I'm coming with you later. 00:59:31.034 --> 00:59:31.964 And I love you. 00:59:32.474 --> 00:59:33.794 That's the last thing I heard. 00:59:33.794 --> 00:59:36.734 I love you, but I couldn't see the woman, so I don't know who it is. 00:59:37.364 --> 00:59:38.024 Yeah, no. 00:59:38.024 --> 00:59:43.424 So that's but it was a wonderful experience. 00:59:43.424 --> 00:59:49.294 It was very, very smooth, very not hurting, nothing. 00:59:49.294 --> 00:59:52.054 You know, it was like going in back into space. 00:59:52.959 --> 00:59:55.054 It, it just felt really, really wonderful. 00:59:55.474 --> 00:59:58.654 And then being 96, I said like, you know, if that's, this 00:59:58.654 --> 01:00:00.214 is really, I'm gonna be 96. 01:00:00.214 --> 01:00:01.204 Wow, that's great. 01:00:01.204 --> 01:00:04.924 You know, so I still have, you know, about, it was 56 at that 01:00:04.924 --> 01:00:06.694 time, so I have 40 years to go. 01:00:07.084 --> 01:00:08.044 It is fantastic. 01:00:08.044 --> 01:00:10.924 You know, so, and if I die 90, say whatever can happen to me now, that being 01:00:10.924 --> 01:00:11.404 Rupert Isaacson: 16 01:00:11.404 --> 01:00:11.734 Ralf Daab: again. 01:00:11.824 --> 01:00:12.154 Rupert Isaacson: Yeah. 01:00:12.454 --> 01:00:12.604 Ralf Daab: Yeah. 01:00:12.604 --> 01:00:13.774 That's the other story. 01:00:13.834 --> 01:00:17.164 Now that, that's the part I experience on the MDMA journey. 01:00:17.164 --> 01:00:20.674 But, so three months later we are actually in our school. 01:00:21.244 --> 01:00:22.684 I go for a walk on the beach. 01:00:22.684 --> 01:00:23.584 I have music on. 01:00:23.674 --> 01:00:24.154 That's what I do. 01:00:24.154 --> 01:00:28.834 Like once a day I going for a walk and then I stop. 01:00:28.834 --> 01:00:32.704 And at that, I'm at that point where I said, oh, here has, here is this, here's 01:00:32.704 --> 01:00:35.104 a place where I die so I could see it. 01:00:35.614 --> 01:00:36.664 And I, I got showered. 01:00:36.664 --> 01:00:38.854 It felt like boo goosebumps wall. 01:00:38.854 --> 01:00:38.914 I. 01:00:39.424 --> 01:00:42.784 I start crying, you know, say, wow, this is, here's a place. 01:00:43.684 --> 01:00:46.804 So I then did calculations, said like I was 56. 01:00:47.584 --> 01:00:51.604 Then I said, I, when I 96, it's 40 years to go. 01:00:51.874 --> 01:00:57.724 When I subtract that from 56, I'm 16 years old now, and I can start all over 01:00:57.724 --> 01:01:01.354 again with everything, with relationship, with business, with everything. 01:01:01.714 --> 01:01:04.534 And I still have 40 years to go, wow, how fantastic is that? 01:01:05.194 --> 01:01:09.094 So, and then I started crying and laughing and I was dancing on the beach 01:01:09.094 --> 01:01:11.524 and I was like, wow, this is fantastic. 01:01:11.854 --> 01:01:15.664 So that was real, you know, so that's what I said earlier with with when you 01:01:15.664 --> 01:01:19.684 have like the experience with, with the Saltan or you know, with things 01:01:19.924 --> 01:01:22.534 that happen in, in on the MDMA journey. 01:01:22.534 --> 01:01:25.864 And then you have experience like in real life you say, well, that's 01:01:25.864 --> 01:01:27.994 the same thing, you know here. 01:01:27.994 --> 01:01:31.594 The, his story continues in real life, so I. 01:01:32.299 --> 01:01:33.349 It was just fantastic. 01:01:33.349 --> 01:01:36.709 And I said like, I don't have fear of death, nothing. 01:01:37.039 --> 01:01:39.499 So what, what else can happen to me? 01:01:39.499 --> 01:01:45.049 And one thing is like, a friend of mine, tma, he died in November of cancer 01:01:45.889 --> 01:01:48.469 last November, very sad age of 58. 01:01:48.709 --> 01:01:53.319 So, and last year I took him twice on the journey, MDMA journey. 01:01:54.189 --> 01:01:59.839 And he experienced also his death on his first journey which helped him 01:01:59.899 --> 01:02:04.939 a lot to, at the end, I was in the hospice with him the last three days. 01:02:04.969 --> 01:02:08.779 And he told me the story, like how he died and he was great. 01:02:08.779 --> 01:02:13.789 He was, you know, going into the light and he had no fear, you know, and he left 01:02:13.789 --> 01:02:18.289 and with no fear and he gave me so much power and energy and it was incredible. 01:02:18.289 --> 01:02:23.899 So, for him, this MDMA journey was wonderful, you know? 01:02:24.304 --> 01:02:27.814 Going through this whole process, and then eventually he died then. 01:02:27.814 --> 01:02:29.234 But it was great. 01:02:29.234 --> 01:02:32.204 So for him and for me also, yeah. 01:02:32.204 --> 01:02:36.954 So these are things that that's why I also like, going, I dunno 01:02:36.954 --> 01:02:40.154 when next week, two weeks, we're gonna do like, MDA journey again. 01:02:40.154 --> 01:02:42.584 Like this is like, just experience. 01:02:42.584 --> 01:02:47.154 Like what, what's coming, you know, you can look into the future or I can look 01:02:47.154 --> 01:02:48.804 into the future, or I can ask questions. 01:02:48.804 --> 01:02:50.844 So like, what is, what, what's coming next? 01:02:50.844 --> 01:02:54.164 Or ideas is something I should I should look at. 01:02:54.164 --> 01:02:58.514 Or what also happens is that's what the, the psychic reading told me also, 01:02:58.514 --> 01:03:00.994 like, I should be open to to channeling. 01:03:01.504 --> 01:03:02.884 And that's happening also. 01:03:02.884 --> 01:03:07.024 Sometimes when I wake up in the morning, it's now, I, I sleep very 01:03:07.024 --> 01:03:10.354 well because one thing is also like, it helped me a lot in the last six months 01:03:10.354 --> 01:03:13.684 without the separation, the ending of the relationship and everything. 01:03:13.684 --> 01:03:13.744 I. 01:03:14.104 --> 01:03:17.674 I don't drink alcohol in it no more for six months now. 01:03:18.034 --> 01:03:21.034 And it's great, you know, I feel good. 01:03:21.034 --> 01:03:21.964 I sleep better. 01:03:21.964 --> 01:03:22.984 I, I'm clear. 01:03:22.984 --> 01:03:24.694 So it's, it's fantastic. 01:03:25.174 --> 01:03:29.254 So I wake up most of the time, early in the morning, like 5 30, 6. 01:03:29.824 --> 01:03:33.064 And then in that stage I'm, I'm just saying, okay, I'm 01:03:33.064 --> 01:03:34.744 open, just channel whatever. 01:03:34.804 --> 01:03:37.624 Like, I'm talking to the universe, they're like, oh, let, let me know 01:03:37.624 --> 01:03:39.664 what I, you know, should look at. 01:03:39.964 --> 01:03:41.844 And and I, I get messages. 01:03:42.204 --> 01:03:42.984 It's, it's amazing. 01:03:42.984 --> 01:03:43.524 Can you give us some 01:03:43.524 --> 01:03:44.064 Rupert Isaacson: examples? 01:03:45.234 --> 01:03:45.444 Ralf Daab: Yeah. 01:03:45.444 --> 01:03:48.494 It's like, some people come up, they say, oh, you should talk to him. 01:03:48.494 --> 01:03:53.074 Or some people like like yesterday for example, was some like really like 01:03:53.074 --> 01:03:57.454 a name came up or I saw the picture actually of a person who I've seen for 01:03:57.454 --> 01:04:01.744 like years said I should talk, contact him, you know, so that kind of thing. 01:04:01.774 --> 01:04:04.384 And I sent an email yesterday. 01:04:05.404 --> 01:04:07.624 Got a response, so maybe a new project. 01:04:07.624 --> 01:04:11.554 So that's kind of things, you know, oh, let's say I should do this or that, 01:04:11.554 --> 01:04:14.464 or just some, sometimes small things. 01:04:14.464 --> 01:04:19.084 But yeah, it's kind of like, or I see get also sometimes messages for other people 01:04:19.714 --> 01:04:24.414 when I, when I see oh, there's something going on, and yeah, be careful, you know? 01:04:24.474 --> 01:04:27.174 So I think it's more like, and then you tell 01:04:27.174 --> 01:04:28.764 Rupert Isaacson: that person, I saw this. 01:04:29.364 --> 01:04:29.814 Ralf Daab: Yeah, 01:04:29.814 --> 01:04:30.234 Rupert Isaacson: keep your eyes 01:04:30.234 --> 01:04:30.534 Ralf Daab: open. 01:04:31.014 --> 01:04:34.724 It's like what Psyched told me, like you are very open, you know, you 01:04:34.724 --> 01:04:37.004 know, a higher frequency basically. 01:04:37.754 --> 01:04:43.374 And I feel that sometimes, you know, that I can get messages or feel something and, 01:04:43.424 --> 01:04:46.214 that's what Yeah, it's, it's, it's great. 01:04:46.214 --> 01:04:50.114 So it's nothing I'm, I'm afraid of, you know, so it's just really good. 01:04:50.714 --> 01:04:53.474 And that's why, you know, I'm continue also doing, doing like, I'm 01:04:53.474 --> 01:04:58.304 starting doing Kundalini now because Kundalini yoga is also spiritual, 01:04:58.634 --> 01:05:02.054 you know, it's a connection between spirit and body and everything. 01:05:02.054 --> 01:05:03.854 It's, it is part of the spiritual journey. 01:05:04.464 --> 01:05:09.574 Or the go meditation I did last weekend in, in Hamburg was fantastic. 01:05:09.574 --> 01:05:11.164 Have you done go meditation? 01:05:11.164 --> 01:05:11.404 Wow. 01:05:11.404 --> 01:05:11.764 I have not, 01:05:12.184 --> 01:05:16.654 Rupert Isaacson: but I have, I have done things with singing bowls and frequencies. 01:05:17.234 --> 01:05:25.504 I was recently in Grand Rapids, Michigan and went through a meditation with singing 01:05:25.504 --> 01:05:27.184 balls, very similar to gongs actually. 01:05:27.694 --> 01:05:32.644 And one of the things which the practitioner did as we were lying 01:05:32.644 --> 01:05:38.944 there, was with a tuning fork coming around and then putting the tuning fork. 01:05:40.219 --> 01:05:45.299 To the skin at the frequency of the bowl. 01:05:46.079 --> 01:05:51.919 And I, what I found extraordinary about that was that I didn't experience it 01:05:51.919 --> 01:05:55.609 as like a vibration or a buzzing or a tickling or something that you'd, 01:05:55.669 --> 01:05:57.919 you'd expect I experienced it as color. 01:05:58.789 --> 01:05:59.119 Mm-hmm. 01:05:59.359 --> 01:06:00.229 And 01:06:02.569 --> 01:06:03.709 deep sense of peace. 01:06:03.709 --> 01:06:05.029 And I was actually there with my son. 01:06:05.029 --> 01:06:07.649 I was there with Rowan sc you know who's Yeah. 01:06:08.189 --> 01:06:08.459 Okay. 01:06:08.459 --> 01:06:09.449 My whole story really? 01:06:09.449 --> 01:06:09.869 Yeah. 01:06:09.869 --> 01:06:09.870 Yeah. 01:06:09.929 --> 01:06:10.349 We were there 01:06:10.349 --> 01:06:12.419 Rupert Isaacson: together and he'd been actually helping me 01:06:12.539 --> 01:06:14.129 with a, an autism training. 01:06:14.729 --> 01:06:17.639 You know, he often comes on the trainings now and helps explain 01:06:17.669 --> 01:06:20.249 autism from the inside to people. 01:06:20.889 --> 01:06:23.049 And to be going through that experience with him was lovely. 01:06:23.049 --> 01:06:24.039 And actually that, that. 01:06:24.444 --> 01:06:27.594 What you just said brings me sort of to the next thing, which is I think 01:06:27.624 --> 01:06:30.144 some people will be listening saying, oh, well, does that mean I have to 01:06:30.144 --> 01:06:35.004 do a psychotropic substance in order to begin to access these states? 01:06:35.004 --> 01:06:37.104 And of course the answer is no. 01:06:37.344 --> 01:06:37.524 No. 01:06:37.624 --> 01:06:43.144 All of my early experiences with those ulcer state of consciousness 01:06:43.384 --> 01:06:49.294 as healing have been with cultures where those plants just don't grow. 01:06:49.624 --> 01:06:53.224 So for example, in the Kalahari, in southern Africa, 01:06:53.884 --> 01:06:55.144 there are no psychotropics. 01:06:55.414 --> 01:07:02.354 So the healers dance themselves into trance but then are incredibly effective 01:07:02.384 --> 01:07:06.914 whether they are healing or whether they're contacting ancestor spirits for 01:07:07.124 --> 01:07:11.174 answers to a dilemma or whether they are, whether it's hunting magic, and they just 01:07:11.174 --> 01:07:15.404 need to know where the lions are so they can go the other way the next day, or, 01:07:15.404 --> 01:07:20.594 or, or, of course, those who know my story know that it, it even got tied up with the 01:07:20.864 --> 01:07:26.514 human rights and political struggle that the son were in, that I was helping with. 01:07:26.904 --> 01:07:30.654 Where I realized that what was happening was the lawyers that we 01:07:30.654 --> 01:07:36.635 were hiring for them because they've been kicked off their land illegally 01:07:36.904 --> 01:07:38.404 to make way for diamond mines. 01:07:39.665 --> 01:07:41.465 Were going talking to the. 01:07:42.214 --> 01:07:45.274 Community who would then go and talk to their healers, who would then go into 01:07:45.274 --> 01:07:49.024 trance and go into the spirit world, come back with a series of instructions, tell 01:07:49.024 --> 01:07:51.694 that to the community, who would then tell that to the lawyers, and then that 01:07:51.694 --> 01:07:55.535 would be the strategy for the courtroom. 01:07:55.535 --> 01:07:59.224 But the lawyers had no idea that they were being directed from the spirit world. 01:07:59.585 --> 01:08:02.285 And when I realized that that was going on, I, oh my gosh, I 01:08:02.285 --> 01:08:03.394 can never tell these guys this. 01:08:03.424 --> 01:08:03.875 'cause what? 01:08:03.875 --> 01:08:04.924 It'll put them off their game. 01:08:05.194 --> 01:08:07.894 But what happened was that, you know, us with the measly, you know, 01:08:07.894 --> 01:08:13.505 a hundred thousand that we managed to raise up against DeBeers Diamonds. 01:08:15.005 --> 01:08:16.984 The Bushman won 01:08:19.835 --> 01:08:24.725 the largest land claim in African history, and then several more after 01:08:24.725 --> 01:08:29.705 that and did indeed get to go home and did indeed see the whole process 01:08:29.705 --> 01:08:32.885 through no psychotropics involved. 01:08:33.515 --> 01:08:37.325 Then a few years ago, I was going through a rather difficult. 01:08:38.030 --> 01:08:38.570 Period. 01:08:38.630 --> 01:08:44.210 And I was experiencing a lot of fear and it was beginning to take over. 01:08:44.330 --> 01:08:48.650 And I was with a healer I know in the Americas who 01:08:48.650 --> 01:08:50.300 heals in the Lakota tradition. 01:08:50.450 --> 01:08:56.700 And there they do use a psychotropic, they use peyote which is partly, 01:08:56.700 --> 01:09:01.620 you know, dimethyltryptamine, DMT, strongest hallucinogen known to man. 01:09:01.770 --> 01:09:04.530 And he said, Rupert, I can just see we were in a sweat lodge. 01:09:04.680 --> 01:09:06.870 And I'd done that before, sweating through. 01:09:06.870 --> 01:09:09.150 He said, I can see you need medicine, you know? 01:09:09.150 --> 01:09:10.650 And I was like, no, I do. 01:09:10.650 --> 01:09:13.500 The last thing I need right now is I'm just clinging onto 01:09:13.500 --> 01:09:14.850 my sanity by my fingernails. 01:09:14.850 --> 01:09:17.580 The last thing I need is some kind of psychotropic drug is ripper. 01:09:17.580 --> 01:09:18.540 How long have you known me? 01:09:18.540 --> 01:09:21.210 You know, do you feel I'm a professional or not? 01:09:21.510 --> 01:09:21.750 Good? 01:09:21.750 --> 01:09:22.170 Fine. 01:09:23.190 --> 01:09:26.160 You know, so he says, I'll give you, you know, the dosage 01:09:26.160 --> 01:09:27.090 I think that you should have. 01:09:27.090 --> 01:09:28.470 And what was so interesting was I. 01:09:29.670 --> 01:09:33.240 After a while, I became aware of like a little red laser that 01:09:33.240 --> 01:09:34.560 you might see in a PowerPoint. 01:09:34.950 --> 01:09:35.040 Mm-hmm. 01:09:35.280 --> 01:09:39.210 Going through my body and stopping at areas where I had stiffness and pain. 01:09:39.780 --> 01:09:39.810 Oh. 01:09:39.810 --> 01:09:40.230 And it would go b 01:09:42.780 --> 01:09:46.020 beep, and then it would move on and the pain would, at that place would be gone. 01:09:46.110 --> 01:09:50.040 And then a certain point it crossed into my brain and it 01:09:50.040 --> 01:09:51.600 started going around my brain. 01:09:51.600 --> 01:09:54.060 And everywhere it was finding fear and anxiety. 01:09:54.510 --> 01:09:55.535 It would stop and go B, 01:09:58.380 --> 01:10:00.150 you know, and it would be gone. 01:10:00.150 --> 01:10:04.830 And like it was finding, you know, cortisol scarring effectively from 01:10:04.830 --> 01:10:09.720 stress and taking that away, which we know oxytocin can do naturally, but this 01:10:09.720 --> 01:10:12.480 was happening very, very, very quickly. 01:10:12.570 --> 01:10:15.720 And I remember thinking, well, this is great, but you know, the drug's gonna 01:10:15.720 --> 01:10:17.130 wear off and then it will all come back. 01:10:17.580 --> 01:10:18.270 But it never did. 01:10:18.660 --> 01:10:22.860 The healing was real and lasting. 01:10:23.460 --> 01:10:27.870 But the reason I'm telling that story and then the stories from. 01:10:28.410 --> 01:10:36.480 Previously when no medicine was involved is, I think, speaking to your 01:10:36.870 --> 01:10:43.470 point where you've now been four years letting, let's say the plant medicine 01:10:43.470 --> 01:10:50.580 because MDMA is effectively a plant derivative or, or you know, synthesize 01:10:50.580 --> 01:10:52.830 drugs are effectively plant derivatives. 01:10:53.280 --> 01:10:59.190 And now you're finding, oh, actually I no longer need that to access. 01:10:59.730 --> 01:10:59.970 Right. 01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:03.930 The, and you know, and even though it doesn't mean I'm gonna reject it, I 01:11:03.930 --> 01:11:07.530 will still continue to do those things, but I know it, it's done its job 01:11:07.530 --> 01:11:11.730 for having provided me the, the, the way through the window, if you like. 01:11:11.730 --> 01:11:12.750 Would you say that that's 01:11:12.900 --> 01:11:13.320 Ralf Daab: true? 01:11:13.560 --> 01:11:14.250 Yeah, exactly. 01:11:14.250 --> 01:11:14.640 Exactly. 01:11:14.640 --> 01:11:15.480 It goes faster. 01:11:15.480 --> 01:11:18.120 I mean, there are different ways to, and everybody can find, they should 01:11:18.120 --> 01:11:20.790 find their own own way to, to get there. 01:11:21.130 --> 01:11:23.855 It's just a little faster, I would say, you know, it's. 01:11:26.560 --> 01:11:29.530 You can do it like one day, basically a journey. 01:11:29.530 --> 01:11:31.960 And when you do other things, you have to train it, you have to 01:11:31.990 --> 01:11:33.310 like, yeah, really get into it. 01:11:33.310 --> 01:11:38.590 It can take hours or like weeks, decades or decades, you know, you could get 01:11:38.590 --> 01:11:40.240 there, but it takes a long, longer time. 01:11:40.540 --> 01:11:44.320 So with, with MA or maybe other things like mushrooms. 01:11:44.320 --> 01:11:47.470 And so it, it gets faster because, you know, there's nothing you can do. 01:11:47.560 --> 01:11:50.860 You just, it's gonna act on the way it's gonna happen that way. 01:11:50.920 --> 01:11:51.520 Yeah, right. 01:11:51.820 --> 01:11:58.260 So, it's basically, you know, just to bring the body to, to 01:11:58.260 --> 01:12:02.940 produce more dopamine, you know, or certainly, you know, so, but yeah. 01:12:03.030 --> 01:12:06.610 But a lot of people are afraid or they're like don't want to take 01:12:06.610 --> 01:12:10.390 drugs, you know, of course, you know, maybe self-control, whatever. 01:12:10.720 --> 01:12:13.810 And they always say like, you know, drugs, what is drugs? 01:12:13.810 --> 01:12:20.140 You know, like medicine is, it's all drugs and it's as a therapy, it, it helps. 01:12:20.140 --> 01:12:21.910 I mean, like, it's, it's proven, you know? 01:12:21.910 --> 01:12:23.790 So, post-traumatic traumas. 01:12:23.880 --> 01:12:27.150 You know, in other countries like Australia, it's legal now they, they 01:12:27.150 --> 01:12:28.640 do it and they're working on it. 01:12:28.640 --> 01:12:31.220 I think also in the u in US and even in Europe. 01:12:31.670 --> 01:12:36.590 So it takes some years, but then it will be, for therapy, it will be legalized. 01:12:37.340 --> 01:12:38.420 MDMA, right? 01:12:38.420 --> 01:12:38.960 MDMA. 01:12:38.965 --> 01:12:39.035 Yeah. 01:12:39.275 --> 01:12:39.555 MDA. 01:12:39.830 --> 01:12:40.730 And of course it used to be. 01:12:40.790 --> 01:12:41.960 Used to be, used to be. 01:12:42.320 --> 01:12:43.360 So, yeah. 01:12:43.390 --> 01:12:46.420 But there are different ways and everybody can find their, their own way. 01:12:46.420 --> 01:12:48.520 And it should be, it is no dogma. 01:12:48.520 --> 01:12:51.700 It's no dogma to say you have to do this to get there, you know, so. 01:12:51.700 --> 01:12:52.090 Right. 01:12:52.600 --> 01:12:54.970 Rupert Isaacson: It, it's also interesting that you talk about Kundalini, because 01:12:54.970 --> 01:13:00.160 the Bushman have a, a similar idea, you know, Kundalini's supposed to reside 01:13:00.160 --> 01:13:01.300 at the base of your spine, right? 01:13:01.300 --> 01:13:01.390 Mm-hmm. 01:13:01.390 --> 01:13:06.370 And it's a life force, a sexual energy that you can begin to manipulate the 01:13:06.370 --> 01:13:10.270 Bushman colic mum and forward slash. 01:13:11.500 --> 01:13:18.050 The forward slash is that click that, and mum is one of those untranslatable words, 01:13:18.050 --> 01:13:24.410 which it can mean power, this type of life force wisdom can mean many things. 01:13:25.320 --> 01:13:29.850 But they, what they do is they over years of training, learn how to 01:13:30.450 --> 01:13:35.130 boil the, in their stomach, bring it into their stomach and boil it. 01:13:35.910 --> 01:13:39.480 And the dance does this, and you'll see them get incredibly hot. 01:13:40.350 --> 01:13:40.410 Wow. 01:13:40.410 --> 01:13:43.920 And if you touch them, they're incredibly hot, but they'll even, they'll try 01:13:43.920 --> 01:13:45.840 to cool themselves in the fire. 01:13:46.290 --> 01:13:48.420 So they'll actually take swallow coals. 01:13:48.420 --> 01:13:49.530 I've seen that many times. 01:13:49.530 --> 01:13:52.350 Or lay in the fire, come up, unburned. 01:13:52.590 --> 01:13:52.800 Very good. 01:13:52.850 --> 01:13:57.230 And then when the womb is boiling, which is very painful in the 01:13:57.260 --> 01:14:00.470 early stages, when they're younger healers, they'll often faint or. 01:14:00.860 --> 01:14:03.500 Sometimes they would say die and have to be brought back. 01:14:03.740 --> 01:14:06.380 But as they get older, they learn how to ride it. 01:14:06.560 --> 01:14:10.760 And then this is when they can not just be in the spirit world and do 01:14:10.760 --> 01:14:13.190 what they need to do, but they can pull things out of people or put 01:14:13.190 --> 01:14:15.020 things into people that are needed. 01:14:15.650 --> 01:14:20.870 So it's clear that these things are as old as humanity because 01:14:20.870 --> 01:14:25.370 the San are, the bushman are the oldest known culture on the planet. 01:14:25.910 --> 01:14:30.590 And so the quest for the altered state of consciousness seems to be 01:14:30.590 --> 01:14:37.020 built into our DNA that to play with consciousness, which is why I think in 01:14:37.050 --> 01:14:40.980 the past we've made, had the arrogance as humans to think we are the only ones 01:14:40.980 --> 01:14:44.400 with consciousness, which now I think we're realizing clearly isn't true. 01:14:44.820 --> 01:14:47.550 But because we're conscious of our consciousness in a certain way, 01:14:47.550 --> 01:14:51.990 if you like, we're self-conscious, we have a great desire to. 01:14:53.790 --> 01:14:57.720 Communicate with it, I think, and through it, and use it as medicine 01:14:57.720 --> 01:14:59.640 and answer dilemmas through it. 01:14:59.730 --> 01:15:04.780 And I as you say, whichever way you do it there is no one 01:15:04.780 --> 01:15:07.960 way but to be on that path. 01:15:08.710 --> 01:15:11.020 Seems to be important for human happiness. 01:15:11.020 --> 01:15:11.080 Yeah. 01:15:11.080 --> 01:15:11.410 Would you not 01:15:11.650 --> 01:15:12.010 Ralf Daab: agree? 01:15:12.040 --> 01:15:12.910 Yeah, absolutely. 01:15:12.910 --> 01:15:13.300 Yes. 01:15:13.390 --> 01:15:17.650 You on certain, like one path to your own path, and then be curious, you 01:15:17.650 --> 01:15:21.345 know, like go there and there, try things out, you know, like what I did 01:15:21.345 --> 01:15:25.240 like, following like some people like a podcast and then say, okay, that's good. 01:15:25.240 --> 01:15:28.780 I, I, you know, now I follow somebody else or read other books 01:15:28.780 --> 01:15:33.480 or do a seminar on meditation or the gong meditation, for example. 01:15:33.540 --> 01:15:36.870 Just try things out, you know, and then you feel like when your body, or when 01:15:36.870 --> 01:15:40.920 your consciousness, or when your spirit like reacts and what, what's best for you. 01:15:41.280 --> 01:15:45.300 So, and like being on a path that's the most beautiful thing. 01:15:45.300 --> 01:15:48.590 It is like, and to, to, to experience new things. 01:15:48.590 --> 01:15:49.640 To meet new people. 01:15:49.640 --> 01:15:52.820 And it is, it is kind of like you, you meet other people, you meet 01:15:52.880 --> 01:15:54.770 people who are also on their path. 01:15:54.800 --> 01:15:57.950 You know, you, you connect very fast. 01:15:57.950 --> 01:16:02.030 And and that's, that's the great thing about you know, being on the. 01:16:02.480 --> 01:16:03.110 On the journey. 01:16:03.110 --> 01:16:03.740 On the path. 01:16:03.740 --> 01:16:07.480 And but as I said in the beginning is you have to let things go, you know? 01:16:07.580 --> 01:16:10.610 That's the other part I I seeing or meeting a lot of people. 01:16:10.610 --> 01:16:11.600 They do a lot of things. 01:16:11.605 --> 01:16:17.060 They, they, they go every, every day or three, four days a week, they go 01:16:17.060 --> 01:16:21.020 to yoga and they do a lot things, but they still in the same environment. 01:16:21.020 --> 01:16:22.250 There's still same jobs. 01:16:22.280 --> 01:16:25.520 They're stressed, you know, they, they, they, you know, of course it's difficult 01:16:25.520 --> 01:16:29.520 to leave everything, but kind of like you have to like, kind of, you know, let 01:16:29.520 --> 01:16:33.060 things go in order to receive new things. 01:16:33.270 --> 01:16:35.370 You have to make room for new things. 01:16:35.640 --> 01:16:38.280 Rupert Isaacson: It seems though that that process is almost built in. 01:16:38.490 --> 01:16:43.170 And I think a lot of people find this rather alarmingly, you know, when they 01:16:43.170 --> 01:16:51.270 first get involved in this type of way of life, things can fall apart very 01:16:51.270 --> 01:16:55.770 fast and that can be very traumatic at first, even though they may, they 01:16:55.770 --> 01:16:58.140 are things that actually you look. 01:16:58.695 --> 01:17:00.915 Back over a couple of years and you go, oh yeah, actually 01:17:00.915 --> 01:17:02.175 I needed to let all that go. 01:17:02.695 --> 01:17:07.015 And I probably would've just clung onto it forever if it hadn't, if I 01:17:07.015 --> 01:17:10.585 hadn't been literally picked up by a pair of forceps and placed over there. 01:17:11.035 --> 01:17:13.945 However painful that was, and I'd say it seems that you've gone 01:17:13.945 --> 01:17:16.915 through something like this rather recently, because when I first met 01:17:16.915 --> 01:17:21.025 you you were, you know, living in vs. 01:17:21.025 --> 01:17:21.805 Barden, which is 01:17:23.875 --> 01:17:28.915 a nice town, it's a wealthy town nice apartment still very much in the 01:17:28.915 --> 01:17:31.195 publishing life, et cetera, et cetera. 01:17:33.085 --> 01:17:40.195 Then you went through something of disruption about six months ago. 01:17:40.695 --> 01:17:46.400 And I remember and, and now you're living in this, in an apartment in this castle. 01:17:47.700 --> 01:17:52.370 Rather, rather romantic in a very, very beautiful part of the countryside in 01:17:52.520 --> 01:17:56.630 Germany that I know where you are and I know how beautiful the nature is there. 01:17:56.810 --> 01:18:01.090 And it's interesting you've been sending me these pictures on WhatsApp of, of the 01:18:01.090 --> 01:18:03.370 nature, and I'm like, ah, he's found it. 01:18:03.580 --> 01:18:06.780 'cause one of the things which I was noticing through your story and they, you 01:18:06.780 --> 01:18:13.240 know, when, whether it was you working for Chen or you as the Persian person 01:18:13.240 --> 01:18:18.100 showing people beauty, the, this is all about human beauty and things that 01:18:18.100 --> 01:18:25.360 were made by humans and you know, Chen also fashion and models and that kind 01:18:25.360 --> 01:18:27.670 of physical human beauty and as well. 01:18:28.030 --> 01:18:32.350 But what I feel is often missing from all of that is nature. 01:18:33.170 --> 01:18:35.330 And of course the greatest beauty, of course, is always nature. 01:18:35.330 --> 01:18:39.200 And that's why we, we react and respond to beauty in the way that we do because 01:18:39.200 --> 01:18:43.400 nature is beautiful and nature is what we're supposed to be surrounded by. 01:18:43.400 --> 01:18:45.410 And people actually, people are very beautiful. 01:18:45.560 --> 01:18:46.550 Inside from doubt. 01:18:46.550 --> 01:18:47.930 We're a very loving species. 01:18:47.930 --> 01:18:48.230 Right. 01:18:48.230 --> 01:18:51.800 You know, it's, it, so it's interesting to me that finally, 01:18:51.890 --> 01:18:56.335 you know, in the last six months, there you are in nature by another. 01:18:56.335 --> 01:18:56.575 Mm-hmm. 01:18:56.655 --> 01:18:56.935 Mm-hmm. 01:18:57.015 --> 01:19:01.550 You know, you, those of you who are watching this on YouTube, you, it looks 01:19:01.550 --> 01:19:04.760 like, well obviously we're, we're, we're talking across by Zoom in Ralph's 01:19:04.760 --> 01:19:09.860 apartment within that castle, but I know what's outside that window and I know 01:19:09.860 --> 01:19:12.680 that you're out in that nature now and you've really simplified, you've sort of 01:19:12.980 --> 01:19:18.710 gone from, you know, home ownership and real estate and all of that stuff now 01:19:18.710 --> 01:19:23.210 to saying, no, no, I'm gonna minimalize and I'm just gonna have this small 01:19:23.210 --> 01:19:26.720 apartment to spend most of my time in nature while still working as a publisher. 01:19:27.155 --> 01:19:27.635 Ralf Daab: Right. 01:19:27.755 --> 01:19:29.495 Rupert Isaacson: You know, it's interesting to me, 01:19:29.795 --> 01:19:32.165 Ralf Daab: and one thing is also like, talking about, you know, when 01:19:32.165 --> 01:19:36.035 I said the, the, the, the salt in the Persia, you know, show the beauty. 01:19:36.315 --> 01:19:42.345 What I realize now, it's not only it was back then or still is sometimes of 01:19:42.345 --> 01:19:46.815 course with the books to show the beauty outside, but it's also like, my purpose 01:19:46.815 --> 01:19:48.585 is also to show the beauty in people. 01:19:48.590 --> 01:19:48.850 Mm-hmm. 01:19:48.855 --> 01:19:54.285 To help people to go on their path to, to develop or show their own beauty. 01:19:54.795 --> 01:19:58.755 And that's also, you know, one thing I'm gonna do in the future to help 01:19:58.755 --> 01:20:05.925 people to show their own beauty because every person is beautiful. 01:20:06.315 --> 01:20:08.085 So, and then how. 01:20:09.675 --> 01:20:14.005 Well, but yeah, with seminars, with you know, I did like, coaching 01:20:14.155 --> 01:20:15.805 as a neuroscience coaching. 01:20:15.805 --> 01:20:18.865 I have like a certificate, whatever you call it, you know, and then 01:20:18.865 --> 01:20:23.105 I did meditation, spiritual, and I'm doing a kundalini practicing. 01:20:23.405 --> 01:20:26.285 So things like put it together, but also my. 01:20:27.470 --> 01:20:30.800 Strength is what I can do really good is like bring people together. 01:20:31.100 --> 01:20:31.340 Mm-hmm. 01:20:31.400 --> 01:20:35.455 So, you know, the funny thing is, like a year ago I was still in Spartan, 01:20:35.535 --> 01:20:40.100 I was in rgo, which is beautiful, you know, the wine area with wines. 01:20:40.100 --> 01:20:43.250 And so, and I was standing there and said like, ah, well this is beautiful. 01:20:43.250 --> 01:20:45.500 This is beautiful and, and good energy for me. 01:20:45.500 --> 01:20:49.700 And it's like I would live in a place like here, like where you can live, 01:20:49.760 --> 01:20:52.790 but also where you can do seminars, you know, like a house or so. 01:20:53.540 --> 01:20:58.490 And now I'm no longer at Beach Spot, but I'm here now and I have, I found a place. 01:20:58.760 --> 01:20:59.660 It's incredible. 01:20:59.780 --> 01:21:01.430 Rupert Isaacson: Can you, can you do seminars now 01:21:01.430 --> 01:21:01.850 Ralf Daab: in Yes. 01:21:02.750 --> 01:21:06.530 This, here they're, they event place, they're weddings are here, 01:21:06.770 --> 01:21:10.910 seminars here, there's a big space terrace outside Nature. 01:21:11.000 --> 01:21:12.800 It is a perfect place for seminars. 01:21:13.670 --> 01:21:17.150 So we can, we start doing like in, in four weeks, we have a seminar here I'm 01:21:17.150 --> 01:21:19.040 organizing, so I bring people here. 01:21:19.100 --> 01:21:21.520 That's, you know, organized things, festivals. 01:21:21.520 --> 01:21:24.610 I wanted to do a festival here, music festival overlooking 01:21:24.610 --> 01:21:25.720 here, the Rhine Valley. 01:21:25.720 --> 01:21:27.040 It's, it's just incredible. 01:21:27.340 --> 01:21:33.035 So can you imagine like a year before, like last year or, 01:21:33.055 --> 01:21:34.240 or it was more than a year. 01:21:34.240 --> 01:21:39.400 I mean, last year was, and I had this vision and now I'm here and I 01:21:39.400 --> 01:21:42.160 can do it, and it's, it's happening. 01:21:42.820 --> 01:21:47.830 So it's not, you know, I had to, had to leave things in v spot and, 01:21:47.830 --> 01:21:50.710 you know, also the relationship. 01:21:50.710 --> 01:21:56.170 But now everything can come and can, you know, organize. 01:21:57.220 --> 01:21:59.530 I'm not looking for a relationship now, but never know. 01:21:59.530 --> 01:22:01.210 But everything is can happen now. 01:22:01.240 --> 01:22:01.660 So. 01:22:03.100 --> 01:22:03.490 And you're still 01:22:03.490 --> 01:22:03.970 Rupert Isaacson: publishing? 01:22:04.540 --> 01:22:04.930 Ralf Daab: Yeah. 01:22:05.440 --> 01:22:05.800 Yeah. 01:22:06.310 --> 01:22:09.380 Rupert Isaacson: So listen, if people want to read your book there you are again. 01:22:10.130 --> 01:22:10.220 Yeah. 01:22:10.280 --> 01:22:11.000 How do they find it? 01:22:11.645 --> 01:22:13.505 Ralf Daab: Well, there's a, there's a website. 01:22:13.505 --> 01:22:15.145 It's called books.buy. 01:22:15.145 --> 01:22:16.976 It's a print on demand website. 01:22:16.981 --> 01:22:17.150 Mm-hmm. 01:22:17.235 --> 01:22:17.575 Website. 01:22:17.575 --> 01:22:21.565 It's actually based, the company's based in Australia, but it's all over the world. 01:22:21.565 --> 01:22:24.395 And they can place order print on demand. 01:22:24.395 --> 01:22:27.185 So it's free shipping worldwide. 01:22:27.945 --> 01:22:31.245 You can place the order, you can order the book and they find a 01:22:31.245 --> 01:22:33.285 printer near you, like someplace. 01:22:33.465 --> 01:22:37.425 Let's say when you order here, maybe in Germany or France, and they ship it to 01:22:37.425 --> 01:22:39.735 you free, free shipping, free of charge. 01:22:40.515 --> 01:22:41.505 It's, I think it's 20. 01:22:41.505 --> 01:22:41.925 And that's in 01:22:41.925 --> 01:22:42.555 Rupert Isaacson: English, obviously. 01:22:42.555 --> 01:22:42.840 That's the English. 01:22:42.840 --> 01:22:43.282 Yeah, of course in English. 01:22:44.565 --> 01:22:45.525 There you are again. 01:22:45.525 --> 01:22:46.365 English book, that book. 01:22:46.365 --> 01:22:46.875 Stop by. 01:22:46.875 --> 01:22:48.945 So people go to book, book start by slash 01:22:49.320 --> 01:22:50.475 Ralf Daab: HHOL. 01:22:50.685 --> 01:22:54.105 You can put it maybe slash HOL living. 01:22:54.105 --> 01:22:54.675 HOL. 01:22:54.675 --> 01:22:55.005 Yeah. 01:22:57.525 --> 01:22:57.945 Rupert Isaacson: Great. 01:22:58.815 --> 01:23:00.645 And then they would look for, there you are again. 01:23:01.335 --> 01:23:01.695 Ralf Daab: Right. 01:23:01.695 --> 01:23:02.535 It's on there. 01:23:02.535 --> 01:23:03.195 You can. 01:23:03.570 --> 01:23:06.540 They can buy it, they free shipping and then they can read. 01:23:06.930 --> 01:23:07.410 So yeah. 01:23:07.410 --> 01:23:07.500 And 01:23:07.500 --> 01:23:10.620 Rupert Isaacson: if people want to reach, reach out to you and want to be, 01:23:11.040 --> 01:23:13.515 you know, well, they, they could send email questions about their own healing 01:23:13.515 --> 01:23:17.010 or wanna be part of your seminars or come visit Yeah, they could contact 01:23:17.010 --> 01:23:17.310 Ralf Daab: me. 01:23:17.520 --> 01:23:17.940 Yeah. 01:23:17.940 --> 01:23:19.080 How do they contact you? 01:23:19.560 --> 01:23:23.810 Well, there's by email's best like ralph@highonliving.com. 01:23:24.140 --> 01:23:28.850 Rupert Isaacson: So R-A-L-P-H Ralph, no FF with an F right in the German way. 01:23:28.880 --> 01:23:30.980 RALF at 01:23:31.490 --> 01:23:32.030 Ralf Daab: Hi. 01:23:32.210 --> 01:23:32.570 Hi. 01:23:32.570 --> 01:23:34.100 On living.com. 01:23:34.130 --> 01:23:34.940 High on 01:23:35.000 --> 01:23:37.790 Rupert Isaacson: living.com. 01:23:37.940 --> 01:23:38.900 Ralph, with an F. 01:23:39.440 --> 01:23:39.740 Ralf Daab: Yeah. 01:23:39.890 --> 01:23:41.480 Rupert Isaacson: High on living.com, 01:23:41.870 --> 01:23:42.140 right? 01:23:42.140 --> 01:23:42.260 Yeah. 01:23:42.260 --> 01:23:44.390 Reach, reach out to Ralph listeners. 01:23:44.390 --> 01:23:45.470 He's, he's, yeah, please do. 01:23:45.860 --> 01:23:46.100 Ralf Daab: Yeah. 01:23:46.200 --> 01:23:46.650 Yeah. 01:23:46.710 --> 01:23:50.090 And come up here like, if you visit Germany or near 01:23:50.090 --> 01:23:51.620 Cologne, you cannot up be here. 01:23:51.770 --> 01:23:51.920 Yeah. 01:23:51.920 --> 01:23:52.700 Hiking. 01:23:52.760 --> 01:23:54.110 It's, it's a beautiful place. 01:23:54.320 --> 01:23:56.500 Rupert Isaacson: Well, I'm gonna, I'm gonna run up the a three. 01:23:56.890 --> 01:23:56.900 Yeah. 01:23:57.525 --> 01:23:58.255 Come, come here. 01:23:58.265 --> 01:23:58.615 Right. 01:23:58.870 --> 01:23:59.650 Take exit bat. 01:24:00.460 --> 01:24:01.420 Ralf Daab: Bat exit. 01:24:01.420 --> 01:24:01.660 Lin. 01:24:02.020 --> 01:24:02.770 You're right here. 01:24:02.830 --> 01:24:03.310 So bad Ho. 01:24:03.610 --> 01:24:04.900 Rupert Isaacson: Yeah, I know exactly where that is. 01:24:04.900 --> 01:24:07.090 We help someone buy a horse from Bad Ho. 01:24:07.360 --> 01:24:07.871 Yeah, it's right here. 01:24:07.876 --> 01:24:08.305 Great horse. 01:24:08.890 --> 01:24:10.065 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:24:10.630 --> 01:24:11.110 Ralf Daab: They're up here. 01:24:11.110 --> 01:24:15.460 They're 50 horses up here, so see them in the morning when they come out the stalls 01:24:15.460 --> 01:24:18.250 and like run and run and, and I, yeah. 01:24:18.610 --> 01:24:20.230 Well, maybe we'll do something with 01:24:20.230 --> 01:24:21.130 Rupert Isaacson: horses together then. 01:24:21.135 --> 01:24:21.385 Yeah. 01:24:21.390 --> 01:24:21.640 Yeah. 01:24:21.640 --> 01:24:22.180 It should come. 01:24:22.180 --> 01:24:23.470 That's, it's really wonderful. 01:24:23.475 --> 01:24:23.745 Okay. 01:24:25.750 --> 01:24:27.520 All right, Rael, thank you so much. 01:24:27.610 --> 01:24:28.930 Well, thank you, Rupert. 01:24:29.380 --> 01:24:31.600 It's been a, been a, yeah. 01:24:31.600 --> 01:24:32.170 Wonderful journey. 01:24:32.410 --> 01:24:32.890 Ralf Daab: Yeah. 01:24:32.920 --> 01:24:33.760 Great, great. 01:24:35.260 --> 01:24:35.560 Rupert Isaacson: Yeah. 01:24:35.560 --> 01:24:42.310 So any last words of wisdom before I click off the record? 01:24:42.310 --> 01:24:43.300 Ralf Daab: Last word of wisdom. 01:24:43.930 --> 01:24:46.360 Well, I would say it's all energy. 01:24:46.360 --> 01:24:47.260 It's Albert Einstein. 01:24:47.470 --> 01:24:48.670 It is all energy. 01:24:48.670 --> 01:24:50.800 And that's what I feel now. 01:24:50.800 --> 01:24:50.860 I. 01:24:51.460 --> 01:24:53.680 Going through all these journeys for the last four years is 01:24:53.680 --> 01:24:55.030 basically even with my plan. 01:24:55.420 --> 01:25:00.940 My plan, when you see it here, it was like this tall, basically in, in this button. 01:25:00.940 --> 01:25:02.770 It didn't grow, but it didn't die. 01:25:02.770 --> 01:25:04.720 But here it's growing like fast. 01:25:04.720 --> 01:25:08.140 I went a beautiful, so I know I'm at the right place because 01:25:08.290 --> 01:25:10.360 plant is feeling good, you know? 01:25:10.870 --> 01:25:11.890 Rupert Isaacson: So it's all energy. 01:25:12.250 --> 01:25:12.460 Ralf Daab: Yeah, it's 01:25:12.460 --> 01:25:13.300 Rupert Isaacson: all energy. 01:25:15.160 --> 01:25:15.550 That's right. 01:25:15.550 --> 01:25:19.120 As Nicola Tesla said, also, I think if you want to know the secrets of the 01:25:19.120 --> 01:25:24.070 universe, you have to think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration. 01:25:24.370 --> 01:25:25.180 Yeah, exactly. 01:25:25.180 --> 01:25:29.770 And it seems that, well, I guess every electronic device we use goes back to him. 01:25:29.770 --> 01:25:30.340 So Yeah. 01:25:31.630 --> 01:25:34.870 Clearly these guys had, you know, yeah. 01:25:36.220 --> 01:25:36.790 Had something. 01:25:37.720 --> 01:25:38.920 All right, well, all right. 01:25:38.980 --> 01:25:42.190 Parallel universes vertical timelines. 01:25:43.585 --> 01:25:46.795 Medicines to help us radically shift our viewpoints. 01:25:46.975 --> 01:25:50.755 By the way, that, that's something I, I, I wanted just to throw in there. 01:25:51.175 --> 01:25:56.235 I was looking at the neuroscience of of psychotropics and it does seem that 01:25:56.325 --> 01:26:05.685 what happens with people is massively, massively augmented neuron new neural 01:26:05.685 --> 01:26:07.785 pathway development when these happen. 01:26:07.815 --> 01:26:10.995 'cause of course it's also new, similar to what you get with novel movement, 01:26:10.995 --> 01:26:15.075 novel ways of moving, BDNF, brain derived neurotrophic factor, which 01:26:15.285 --> 01:26:16.965 normally you only get through movement. 01:26:17.505 --> 01:26:21.855 It seems that this can be massively boosted with the use of psychotropics. 01:26:21.855 --> 01:26:23.805 And I guess our ancestors must have known this. 01:26:24.070 --> 01:26:25.000 Yeah, of course. 01:26:25.100 --> 01:26:25.400 Yeah. 01:26:25.400 --> 01:26:27.955 Maybe that's that thing of allowing us to see mm-hmm. 01:26:28.310 --> 01:26:29.690 What we can't normally see. 01:26:30.560 --> 01:26:32.240 So there you are again. 01:26:32.840 --> 01:26:33.081 There you go. 01:26:33.135 --> 01:26:33.890 Buy it from books. 01:26:33.890 --> 01:26:36.740 Stop by slash HOL. 01:26:37.445 --> 01:26:42.305 Give Ralph an email at rlf@highonliving.com. 01:26:42.965 --> 01:26:45.425 Yeah, I guess we'll see you on the next looking forward. 01:26:45.425 --> 01:26:45.875 Ralf Daab: Yeah. 01:26:47.465 --> 01:26:47.795 Yeah. 01:26:47.825 --> 01:26:48.965 See you soon. 01:26:48.995 --> 01:26:50.015 Thank you for coming on. 01:26:50.315 --> 01:26:51.185 Thank you for having me. 01:26:51.442 --> 01:26:54.822 Rupert Isaacson: I hope you enjoyed today's conversation as much as I did. 01:26:55.652 --> 01:26:59.402 If you did, please help us to make more. 01:26:59.402 --> 01:27:03.282 Please like, subscribe, tell a 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01:28:44.217 --> 01:28:47.547 find your way to the shamanic, to the altered states of consciousness 01:28:47.667 --> 01:28:54.417 that, um, open the window to the more indigenous way of looking at 01:28:54.417 --> 01:28:56.607 things while still being in the West. 01:28:56.607 --> 01:28:59.397 And I think that that's a very useful thing for many of us because 01:28:59.397 --> 01:29:03.837 as those of you listeners who know my background, spending a 01:29:03.837 --> 01:29:05.337 lot of time, for example, in the. 01:29:05.637 --> 01:29:11.307 Kalahari in Africa with hunting and gathering peoples down there, it can 01:29:11.307 --> 01:29:21.327 be almost misleading, um, to think, oh, well, that kind of life, that deeply 01:29:21.327 --> 01:29:23.667 spiritual life, that very connected life, that's something different that 01:29:23.757 --> 01:29:27.297 happens down there in those other places with people who haven't sort of gone 01:29:27.297 --> 01:29:30.777 through the Judeo-Christian thing that we've all gone through, et cetera. 01:29:30.777 --> 01:29:35.067 I can't really do that because I'm up here in the western economy and, you 01:29:35.067 --> 01:29:37.077 know, stuck in that rap race and so on. 01:29:37.077 --> 01:29:40.887 Of course, we all know that's not really true, but I think it's really 01:29:40.887 --> 01:29:45.207 good to draw our attention sometimes to how people doing it right here, 01:29:45.237 --> 01:29:49.737 right now in our culture and, um, particularly, you know, how is that. 01:29:50.247 --> 01:29:52.857 Is that is, you know, can that be related to business? 01:29:52.857 --> 01:29:57.717 Can that be related to how do you make a living when you, when you decide, okay, 01:29:57.717 --> 01:30:01.617 you know, I, I want to begin to explore these other ways of looking at the world, 01:30:01.617 --> 01:30:06.267 but I still have to kind of keep one foot pretty firmly in the, in the here 01:30:06.267 --> 01:30:08.097 and now and the economy and all of that. 01:30:08.097 --> 01:30:09.417 Now do I dance that dance? 01:30:09.417 --> 01:30:12.837 And I think somebody like Ralph, um, has quite a lot of, 01:30:13.317 --> 01:30:14.847 uh, insights for us that way. 01:30:15.117 --> 01:30:17.247 So I thought I'd have him on the show for live free, ride free. 01:30:17.277 --> 01:30:19.467 'cause he's a man who definitely does live free and ride free 01:30:19.917 --> 01:30:21.267 and, uh, we can learn from him. 01:30:21.267 --> 01:30:23.307 So Ralph, thank you for coming on the show. 01:30:23.877 --> 01:30:24.357 Yeah. 01:30:24.357 --> 01:30:24.897 Hi Ruper. 01:30:24.897 --> 01:30:25.977 Thank you for having me. 01:30:26.457 --> 01:30:28.557 It's a great pleasure to be on the shower. 01:30:29.097 --> 01:30:33.357 So do you want to tell listeners a little bit about how we met? 01:30:33.357 --> 01:30:36.777 Because I think those circumstances. 01:30:37.527 --> 01:30:40.077 Are quite helpful to drawing people's attention to sort of 01:30:40.527 --> 01:30:41.937 always keep your eyes open. 01:30:41.937 --> 01:30:45.297 You never quite know who's around the next corner type thing. 01:30:46.287 --> 01:30:46.932 You wanna have a right. 01:30:46.952 --> 01:30:47.172 Um, 01:30:47.882 --> 01:30:49.587 Ralf Daab: yeah, it was, it is a great story. 01:30:49.587 --> 01:30:54.777 I always tell people, um, I was living in, back then, it was like two years 01:30:54.777 --> 01:30:56.847 ago in Germany where we live now. 01:30:57.327 --> 01:30:57.447 Yeah. 01:30:57.447 --> 01:30:58.287 We born in Germany. 01:30:58.617 --> 01:31:02.487 So I was walking the dock, you know, up from the hill and then, um, you know, 01:31:02.487 --> 01:31:05.337 passed by a, a horse place basically. 01:31:05.337 --> 01:31:11.157 And I was talking to Leon, your wife first, and then the dogs started playing. 01:31:11.157 --> 01:31:14.157 And then, so we started talking and so, oh, where are you from? 01:31:14.157 --> 01:31:14.877 What are you doing? 01:31:14.877 --> 01:31:18.537 And then, uh, I said like, you know, and then Leanna said, well, that 01:31:18.537 --> 01:31:22.497 you guys lived in, in the US in Texas, and then you moved back here. 01:31:22.497 --> 01:31:26.517 And I said, I, I lived in New York for some years and I also. 01:31:26.922 --> 01:31:28.242 Was in Texas many times. 01:31:28.242 --> 01:31:29.832 And then, you know, I'm a publisher. 01:31:29.832 --> 01:31:30.672 And I'm publisher. 01:31:30.672 --> 01:31:34.602 And then he said, oh, my husband Rupert, he's also like, he, he's an author. 01:31:34.602 --> 01:31:36.702 He published books, New York Times bestseller books. 01:31:36.702 --> 01:31:41.682 So, and then you walked up and then we met and we just connected right 01:31:41.682 --> 01:31:44.862 away, you know, and then we started talking and, you know, things like, 01:31:44.892 --> 01:31:50.082 uh, it was, um, incredible because, uh, yeah, it was, it's, it's no 01:31:50.082 --> 01:31:50.892 Rupert Isaacson: coincidence. 01:31:50.892 --> 01:31:54.762 It was like, uh, well, what was interesting to me about that. 01:31:55.317 --> 01:31:59.727 First meeting, um, and you gotta just picture listeners, 01:31:59.727 --> 01:32:00.867 you know, I'm picking poo. 01:32:01.227 --> 01:32:02.517 That's what we always do every morning. 01:32:02.547 --> 01:32:02.607 Yeah. 01:32:02.607 --> 01:32:02.727 Right. 01:32:02.757 --> 01:32:05.997 With the horses and, but people walk by, there's a public footpath that 01:32:05.997 --> 01:32:09.837 goes, you know, past the, the, the sort of main area where the horses are. 01:32:09.837 --> 01:32:12.957 'cause they all live outside and you know, people walk their dogs. 01:32:12.957 --> 01:32:14.757 You sometimes say hi, whatever. 01:32:15.147 --> 01:32:18.057 Um, but relatively few people actually stop and say hi. 01:32:18.147 --> 01:32:19.917 Um, you know, it's, it's Germany after. 01:32:21.357 --> 01:32:23.937 So it's like, first thing is, well that's kind of unusual. 01:32:23.937 --> 01:32:28.947 Look, here's a bloke who's actually kind of cheerful and, you know, um, friendly. 01:32:29.247 --> 01:32:34.077 Um, and then, um, but very quickly the conversation went to, 01:32:34.077 --> 01:32:35.217 well, you know, what do you do? 01:32:35.217 --> 01:32:36.447 Okay, I'm publisher, I'm a writer. 01:32:36.747 --> 01:32:37.527 Interesting, interesting. 01:32:37.527 --> 01:32:38.277 Similar worlds. 01:32:39.957 --> 01:32:44.397 And then of course I told you a little bit about what I publish books on. 01:32:44.547 --> 01:32:46.407 And then you say, oh, that's interesting because, you know, 01:32:46.407 --> 01:32:48.987 I do these journeys, right? 01:32:49.167 --> 01:32:51.117 And I said, oh, what kind of journeys? 01:32:51.747 --> 01:32:53.397 And you said, well, like MDMA. 01:32:54.267 --> 01:32:54.447 Right. 01:32:54.507 --> 01:33:02.457 And what was interesting to me about that was, um, a lot of my friends and 01:33:02.457 --> 01:33:08.457 contemporaries, particularly in the USA in the last, I'd say five years, have 01:33:08.457 --> 01:33:15.117 begun to, uh, experiment with looking at altered states of consciousness through 01:33:15.117 --> 01:33:19.737 journeys with MDMA, which some people call ecstasy, but it's not the ecstasy, 01:33:19.737 --> 01:33:21.447 of course, that you buy in a nightclub. 01:33:21.447 --> 01:33:26.787 It's the pure form that used to be prescribed, uh, way back in the day 01:33:26.787 --> 01:33:31.107 by psychologists and psychiatrists who warring married couples because it 01:33:31.407 --> 01:33:33.147 made them listen to each other nicely. 01:33:33.537 --> 01:33:38.667 Um, brings out the sort of compassion in people and, um, si uh, psilocybin, 01:33:38.667 --> 01:33:40.437 which is of course, um, mushrooms. 01:33:40.947 --> 01:33:47.007 And, um, this has been a growing field, um, among. 01:33:47.817 --> 01:33:54.747 I think many people in the kind of middle class of the west over the last 01:33:54.747 --> 01:33:57.927 decade or so, because I think there has been this growing awareness that 01:33:59.007 --> 01:34:04.317 the material life needs to be balanced with the spiritual, but the church no 01:34:04.317 --> 01:34:06.327 longer offers that never really did. 01:34:06.682 --> 01:34:10.497 I mean, mystic Christianity can, but not the church, not witch 01:34:10.497 --> 01:34:12.297 burning and Spanish inquisition. 01:34:12.717 --> 01:34:16.257 Um, and so where to look, where to look. 01:34:16.257 --> 01:34:21.657 And so of course people began to look naturally to the Eastern philosophies 01:34:21.687 --> 01:34:25.617 because with the British Empire, that kind of really opened up that 01:34:25.617 --> 01:34:28.917 route from India through England and then out to the rest of the West. 01:34:29.337 --> 01:34:32.787 Um, and that sort of, those meditations and Buddhism and 01:34:33.087 --> 01:34:39.567 Hinduism and stuff like that began to have a big influence on Western 01:34:39.567 --> 01:34:43.227 society, but it was still perceived as very much a thing from outside. 01:34:43.227 --> 01:34:43.887 I think from over there. 01:34:44.757 --> 01:34:47.547 People like me, of course, going down and spending time with a lot of 01:34:47.547 --> 01:34:50.547 indigenous folk, um, bringing that back. 01:34:50.547 --> 01:34:52.857 But again, that's still being, well, that's something other, 01:34:52.857 --> 01:34:53.727 that's something over there. 01:34:53.727 --> 01:34:54.417 That's not us. 01:34:54.417 --> 01:34:55.647 That's not where we are. 01:34:55.647 --> 01:35:00.567 How do we, and so I think it's very logical that people like you, Ralph 01:35:00.597 --> 01:35:05.637 and other friends of mine, began to look to the use of psychotropics. 01:35:06.147 --> 01:35:12.327 Um, in the same way that of course people are undergoing healing ceremonies in, 01:35:12.477 --> 01:35:19.587 you know, the Amazon or areas where, or Siberia, areas where, um, native 01:35:19.587 --> 01:35:26.637 America, where psychotropic plants grow and have always been used for healing. 01:35:27.027 --> 01:35:30.897 Um, it's a very logical thing and I think there's a reach back even through 01:35:30.897 --> 01:35:36.207 the European past there, because certainly, um, in the pre-Christian 01:35:36.207 --> 01:35:39.207 era, people used fly aic mushroom. 01:35:39.207 --> 01:35:43.437 They used psilocybin, what we would call magic mushrooms and ver you know, 01:35:43.467 --> 01:35:49.077 datura, um, nightshade, um, certain things with hemlock or to achieve altered 01:35:49.077 --> 01:35:53.487 state of consciousness in order to, um, you know, connect with the divine. 01:35:53.637 --> 01:35:57.087 And that of course was rooted out of our culture by the church. 01:35:57.357 --> 01:36:01.827 So there you are, and we're having that conversation and I'm thinking, well, this 01:36:01.827 --> 01:36:03.897 is sort of interesting on the Shamanic. 01:36:03.957 --> 01:36:10.467 Um, and then when I began to do this uh, uh, podcast, I thought, well, actually 01:36:10.467 --> 01:36:13.317 Ralph would be a very good guy to get on this show because he is really 01:36:14.037 --> 01:36:18.537 an entrepreneur and you run your own publishing stuff, but you've also, you 01:36:18.537 --> 01:36:21.327 know, helped larger publishing companies. 01:36:21.327 --> 01:36:23.907 And that's something, but you, you also now thread this very spiritual path. 01:36:25.797 --> 01:36:27.027 That's Ry ride free. 01:36:27.267 --> 01:36:32.847 Sort of in a nutshell, would you take us through your journey a little bit, 01:36:32.847 --> 01:36:39.627 where you began as a boy in corn growing up, sort of, you know, in the seventies 01:36:39.627 --> 01:36:45.777 and eighties in that, you know, post-war booming economy, having fun, it takes 01:36:45.777 --> 01:36:50.007 you off to other parts of the world, just and then how you get into publishing. 01:36:50.007 --> 01:36:52.887 Just get, take us through that early stage in your life, how, how you 01:36:52.887 --> 01:36:57.657 get going on your live free, ride free, um, sort of initial, yeah. 01:36:57.897 --> 01:36:58.137 Okay. 01:36:58.137 --> 01:36:58.617 Yeah, 01:36:59.007 --> 01:36:59.037 Ralf Daab: I 01:36:59.037 --> 01:36:59.247 Rupert Isaacson: did 01:36:59.247 --> 01:36:59.427 Ralf Daab: that. 01:36:59.427 --> 01:37:01.977 Um, so I grew up in Cologne and, um, 01:37:02.607 --> 01:37:06.057 Rupert Isaacson: you know, I was, um, which is a bit of a party town, right? 01:37:06.057 --> 01:37:06.297 It's a 01:37:06.297 --> 01:37:06.597 Ralf Daab: fun town. 01:37:06.602 --> 01:37:10.467 Well, it's a carnival, you know, the people are very open-minded and friendly. 01:37:10.467 --> 01:37:14.187 You know, my, my parents, my mother had a, a restaurant, you know, but a lot 01:37:14.187 --> 01:37:16.257 of people always came like every day. 01:37:16.257 --> 01:37:21.177 So it was always, yeah, I grew up in like a, in, uh, yeah, a good, uh. 01:37:21.822 --> 01:37:24.672 Environment, I would say, you know, so, and I played soccer, 01:37:24.672 --> 01:37:26.082 football, you know, when I was young. 01:37:26.082 --> 01:37:27.552 And uh, I was pretty good. 01:37:27.552 --> 01:37:30.882 So I played for the s fone, uh, in the junior. 01:37:30.882 --> 01:37:34.242 What is, just tell us, oh, that's, SCON is one of the best 01:37:34.392 --> 01:37:36.312 club football club in the world. 01:37:36.312 --> 01:37:39.342 We just came up, you went up to, did you play Football Con? 01:37:39.732 --> 01:37:40.392 Rupert Isaacson: Yeah, right. 01:37:40.392 --> 01:37:42.642 But in the junior team, you know, so for some years 01:37:43.092 --> 01:37:43.662 Ralf Daab: and that was a 01:37:43.662 --> 01:37:44.202 Rupert Isaacson: great time. 01:37:44.207 --> 01:37:46.272 That's something that's like playing for Arsenal or, or Tottenham. 01:37:46.277 --> 01:37:46.542 Yeah, yeah, 01:37:46.602 --> 01:37:47.442 Ralf Daab: yeah, exactly. 01:37:47.442 --> 01:37:47.772 Exactly. 01:37:47.772 --> 01:37:47.892 Yeah. 01:37:47.952 --> 01:37:51.282 So that was a great time when it was 14 years old, 15 years, 16, 01:37:51.282 --> 01:37:55.812 you know, so playing, like we, we played tournaments in, in, in Paris, 01:37:55.812 --> 01:37:59.622 in, in Brussels, in, in Zurich or, you know, so it was always good. 01:37:59.622 --> 01:38:03.582 Like I had go to the director of the school and said like, I have to go for, 01:38:04.422 --> 01:38:06.162 you know, a week for tournament, whatever. 01:38:06.162 --> 01:38:07.032 So it was a good time. 01:38:07.032 --> 01:38:11.592 I was, um, and then, um, I was, you know, I was obviously going to 01:38:11.592 --> 01:38:15.822 school and then I started university and, uh, but I knew right away 01:38:15.822 --> 01:38:17.382 from be, it's not really what I. 01:38:17.832 --> 01:38:18.882 Whatever you want to do. 01:38:18.882 --> 01:38:23.922 Like, uh, so I would start, like my mom, I also did, um, back then, 01:38:24.192 --> 01:38:27.552 so I would start like a friend, he was importing like t-shirts from 01:38:27.612 --> 01:38:29.112 California, like big Wednesdays. 01:38:29.112 --> 01:38:31.902 So I was like, oh, they cool t-shirts, exert shirts, you know, I would start 01:38:31.902 --> 01:38:35.562 selling them out of the car, you know, in the school and so and so on. 01:38:35.562 --> 01:38:38.802 And then other things like a hot tuna from Australia, like a 01:38:38.802 --> 01:38:40.242 brand, like really cool brand. 01:38:40.272 --> 01:38:42.582 Uh, so, and I said, let's open up a store. 01:38:42.852 --> 01:38:48.252 Let's, so like when I was 22, I opened my first, uh, fashion store in Cologne. 01:38:48.732 --> 01:38:52.392 And then, um, you know, coincidence, somebody walked in and said like, yeah, 01:38:52.392 --> 01:38:54.522 I need like, you know, 20 jackets. 01:38:54.522 --> 01:38:57.822 And it turned out, turns out that he was from EMI, Electrola from 01:38:57.822 --> 01:39:01.962 the record company, and it was for Tina Turner's concert, uh, like 01:39:01.962 --> 01:39:06.072 tour, you know, so it was got into the merchandise business for that. 01:39:06.312 --> 01:39:11.472 So I was always like doing things, you know, like, um, um, and then, 01:39:11.472 --> 01:39:15.372 uh, a friend of mine, I was in New York, first time in 1991. 01:39:15.732 --> 01:39:16.782 What sent you to New York? 01:39:17.532 --> 01:39:18.372 Just pleasure. 01:39:18.372 --> 01:39:19.007 It was just Okay. 01:39:19.007 --> 01:39:20.487 It was before business. 01:39:20.677 --> 01:39:20.967 Yeah. 01:39:20.982 --> 01:39:23.442 Before business was like with a friend that went to New York for 01:39:23.442 --> 01:39:26.532 the first time and another friend, he was also in New York and he was 01:39:26.532 --> 01:39:28.452 working for hin for the publisher. 01:39:29.472 --> 01:39:29.592 Tian 01:39:29.592 --> 01:39:31.782 Rupert Isaacson: is a very famous, uh, German publishing house. 01:39:31.782 --> 01:39:32.202 Right. 01:39:32.382 --> 01:39:33.312 Basic Cologne. 01:39:33.312 --> 01:39:36.552 But now the world, you know, biggest art book publisher in the world. 01:39:36.732 --> 01:39:36.912 Yeah. 01:39:36.912 --> 01:39:40.182 You've, you, you've seen them listeners, even if you don't know them, they're 01:39:40.182 --> 01:39:43.362 these amazing German art and fashion. 01:39:43.992 --> 01:39:44.352 Right. 01:39:44.472 --> 01:39:44.922 Photographic. 01:39:44.922 --> 01:39:45.072 They have 01:39:45.072 --> 01:39:46.302 Ralf Daab: stores all over. 01:39:46.332 --> 01:39:47.442 Yeah, the world basically. 01:39:47.592 --> 01:39:50.712 So back then in the nineties, and then, then, then he said like, ah, you know, 01:39:50.712 --> 01:39:53.742 we are looking for somebody who could do like sales and marketing in the us. 01:39:53.772 --> 01:39:54.822 Uh, are you interested? 01:39:54.822 --> 01:39:56.142 And I said, well, yes, of course. 01:39:56.142 --> 01:39:56.592 You know. 01:39:57.072 --> 01:40:02.322 So I started working for Tchen as a sales manager for the US and um, like first 01:40:02.322 --> 01:40:06.042 year, two years traveling from Cologne to the US like, you know, visiting, like, 01:40:06.222 --> 01:40:10.092 I don't know, first trip was 20 cities in like four weeks, you know, every day. 01:40:10.152 --> 01:40:10.722 Another city. 01:40:10.722 --> 01:40:12.942 So it was a great time. 01:40:12.942 --> 01:40:17.832 And then I moved to New York in 1995, you know, and, um, moved there. 01:40:17.862 --> 01:40:19.632 It was just for, for a year. 01:40:19.632 --> 01:40:22.872 And then I stayed there total of like almost six years. 01:40:23.502 --> 01:40:26.742 So setting up the office there and then, uh, all sales and 01:40:26.742 --> 01:40:28.032 marketing, that was a great time. 01:40:28.032 --> 01:40:29.712 It was like my early thirties. 01:40:29.712 --> 01:40:31.632 So, um, yeah. 01:40:31.662 --> 01:40:36.162 So it was, that's how I got into publishing, international publishing also. 01:40:36.162 --> 01:40:39.642 And then I moved back and my son Lucas was born in New York. 01:40:40.062 --> 01:40:40.992 And then, um. 01:40:41.607 --> 01:40:45.417 We decided to go back to Cologne, and then I started my, of working for 01:40:45.417 --> 01:40:46.887 another publisher for three years. 01:40:47.277 --> 01:40:50.727 You know, um, I was responsible for setting up a program, so I 01:40:50.727 --> 01:40:55.077 developed the whole, the book program and international distribution. 01:40:55.467 --> 01:41:01.857 So, and then I decided to, uh, start my own publishing house in 2003. 01:41:02.427 --> 01:41:07.527 And, um, yeah, so then we traveled a lot, you know, all over the place, like Asia 01:41:07.557 --> 01:41:10.617 lots, uh, then us a lot, of course Europe. 01:41:11.367 --> 01:41:15.867 And, um, yeah, so that was, uh, I was always in, in things 01:41:15.867 --> 01:41:17.457 like, you know, what can you do? 01:41:17.457 --> 01:41:19.077 Like, uh, develop new things. 01:41:19.107 --> 01:41:21.387 I have so many ideas and, and, and, uh. 01:41:22.752 --> 01:41:27.012 So, and then I, you know, got to a point where, uh, publishing in 01:41:27.012 --> 01:41:28.992 general was, became difficult. 01:41:29.022 --> 01:41:32.892 Uh, had problems with the banks, the investors and the whole thing. 01:41:32.892 --> 01:41:37.062 And then, so at the end, uh, I had to close the company, basically file for 01:41:37.062 --> 01:41:39.282 chapter 11, which is like insolvency. 01:41:39.672 --> 01:41:43.032 And, um, yeah, it was a really tough time. 01:41:43.032 --> 01:41:48.012 And then the marriage ended, uh, I was kinda lost, you know, that was 01:41:48.012 --> 01:41:50.622 like, uh, 2000, where were we now? 01:41:50.652 --> 01:41:57.582 Like, uh, uh, 64, 15, 16 round then, so about eight, nine years ago. 01:41:58.182 --> 01:42:00.342 And so I was kind of lost and I said like, what can you do? 01:42:00.342 --> 01:42:08.472 Like my life, you know, so, and I, yeah, I did like a photo exhibition, for example. 01:42:08.472 --> 01:42:09.402 I had took some photos. 01:42:09.402 --> 01:42:13.062 I did like an exhibition, and then I, I, I decided like, oh, 01:42:13.062 --> 01:42:14.592 let's go back into publishing. 01:42:14.592 --> 01:42:18.942 And, uh, so I started to, uh, to create books again. 01:42:19.572 --> 01:42:23.712 But at the same time, I was always like, uh, looking for new things. 01:42:23.712 --> 01:42:30.792 But, uh, so I, I got into the, um, meditation thing, so I was reading books, 01:42:31.152 --> 01:42:34.992 listening to podcasts about meditation or why, why did you get into meditation? 01:42:34.992 --> 01:42:35.262 Studying? 01:42:35.892 --> 01:42:40.182 Yeah, because, yeah, because I was like, uh, kind of felt like I, I needed 01:42:40.182 --> 01:42:44.202 to do something else, you know, like going out of like, like, you know, this 01:42:44.652 --> 01:42:49.602 business world that the business thing or the life of like, you know, um. 01:42:50.307 --> 01:42:53.397 Just traveling around and being like stressed and everything. 01:42:53.397 --> 01:42:59.787 So, and then I started also doing sports again, and, uh, also mindfulness things. 01:42:59.787 --> 01:43:00.734 You know, had you always 01:43:00.739 --> 01:43:02.487 Rupert Isaacson: kind of in the back of your mind thought, 01:43:02.487 --> 01:43:03.927 or that meditation thing? 01:43:04.497 --> 01:43:08.907 I kind of want to get into that, but I'll, I'll do that later, you know, or 01:43:08.907 --> 01:43:10.827 was it more sudden thing a more new thing? 01:43:10.857 --> 01:43:13.137 No, no, it was always there, kind of, you know, 01:43:13.137 --> 01:43:17.547 Ralf Daab: like, uh, you know, but, uh, it, it wasn't like, like every 01:43:17.547 --> 01:43:22.287 day, but, um, I felt like, you know, I was at a point where I was, you 01:43:22.287 --> 01:43:25.677 know, like really lost and it's the only thing I could, could help me. 01:43:25.677 --> 01:43:27.627 Like, I could only help myself, you know? 01:43:27.627 --> 01:43:30.057 So, and I, uh, and it was good. 01:43:30.147 --> 01:43:34.287 So I, you know, did a love of sports again running and, um, 01:43:34.707 --> 01:43:35.787 so I felt a little better. 01:43:35.787 --> 01:43:38.967 And uh, and then it got to a point, like I was, you know, I talked to a 01:43:38.967 --> 01:43:43.347 friend and then he told me about a seminar he went to, and he said like it 01:43:43.347 --> 01:43:45.177 was the best thing he did in his life. 01:43:45.207 --> 01:43:46.857 And then he told me everything about it. 01:43:46.857 --> 01:43:47.427 And then. 01:43:48.027 --> 01:43:49.197 I said, yeah, I wanna do this. 01:43:49.197 --> 01:43:53.247 And that's how I got into my first journey of the MD May. 01:43:53.667 --> 01:43:56.787 Um, yeah, that was, I 01:43:56.787 --> 01:43:59.757 Rupert Isaacson: presume because you'd been living in New York, you know, you'd, 01:43:59.847 --> 01:44:05.907 um, been in fashion, you'd been in sport, you'd been in publishing, recreational 01:44:05.907 --> 01:44:09.597 drug use must have been something with which you were quite familiar. 01:44:09.597 --> 01:44:11.247 I mean, I know I said No, not really. 01:44:11.277 --> 01:44:11.817 No, no, 01:44:11.907 --> 01:44:12.207 Ralf Daab: no, no. 01:44:12.207 --> 01:44:12.657 Not really. 01:44:12.687 --> 01:44:13.137 Rupert Isaacson: No. 01:44:13.617 --> 01:44:13.977 No. 01:44:14.307 --> 01:44:20.187 Um, so when, okay, because I remember for example, when I was in my 01:44:22.317 --> 01:44:27.597 earliest twenties, um, this is back like 8,000 years ago, um, I 01:44:27.597 --> 01:44:37.167 think before the invention of the wheel, um, I, um, tried MDMA, um. 01:44:38.247 --> 01:44:41.457 At that point, it was still very pure. 01:44:41.457 --> 01:44:45.117 It was before techno, before the raves, before all of that took off. 01:44:45.117 --> 01:44:48.867 And so before it became a mass industry, that people then began to adulterate 01:44:48.867 --> 01:44:51.027 it with speed and, you know, awful. 01:44:51.057 --> 01:44:56.667 And so I, I tried it a few times in those early years and then very quickly gave 01:44:56.667 --> 01:45:01.017 it up because it, it very quickly became adulterated with all sorts of stuff. 01:45:01.017 --> 01:45:07.107 And you couldn't, at least at that stage in my life, access that pure form anymore. 01:45:07.257 --> 01:45:13.347 But I do remember, um, breaking up with my first girlfriend. 01:45:14.187 --> 01:45:15.237 Basically she was dumping me. 01:45:15.627 --> 01:45:22.767 Um, while we both were on MDMA, which of course, as many listeners 01:45:22.767 --> 01:45:28.557 may know, MDMA used to be prescribed by marriage counselors. 01:45:29.217 --> 01:45:33.147 Before it was made illegal because it helped people to listen to 01:45:33.147 --> 01:45:35.937 each other really compassionately and to tell the truth. 01:45:36.122 --> 01:45:36.472 Right. 01:45:36.917 --> 01:45:41.967 And so we broke up, you know, so kindly with each other, even 01:45:41.967 --> 01:45:42.987 though my heart was broken. 01:45:43.497 --> 01:45:45.537 And, uh, we remained friends, we're friends to this day. 01:45:45.537 --> 01:45:46.287 It's very interesting. 01:45:46.677 --> 01:45:53.607 Um, so, you know, when you told me about you doing these MDM majors, 01:45:53.607 --> 01:45:54.957 I immediately made that assumption. 01:45:54.987 --> 01:45:59.127 Oh, well he must have had, you know, some sort of, uh, previous history 01:45:59.127 --> 01:46:00.777 with this, but you said No, not at all. 01:46:00.897 --> 01:46:05.217 So this being something quite new for you, right. 01:46:05.277 --> 01:46:06.477 What made you think Yeah. 01:46:06.477 --> 01:46:06.687 Okay. 01:46:06.687 --> 01:46:08.187 Well, that, that might be something then, 01:46:09.357 --> 01:46:12.057 Ralf Daab: because a friend told me that what, what, you know, what he 01:46:12.057 --> 01:46:16.047 experienced and, uh, told me that it's saved, that it's, you know, you know. 01:46:17.507 --> 01:46:22.182 Uh, so I said like, okay, because I was really not really into drugs, you know, I 01:46:22.182 --> 01:46:25.962 had joined, so, you know, of course then an alcohol, you know, wine and, and so 01:46:25.962 --> 01:46:30.222 on, but not, not no drugs, you know, I was not never, I always said like, you know, 01:46:30.222 --> 01:46:32.622 I can be, uh, fun without drugs, you know? 01:46:32.622 --> 01:46:32.623 Mm-hmm. 01:46:32.628 --> 01:46:38.292 So, um, but in this case I was like looking into this more the, as this 01:46:38.292 --> 01:46:43.512 therapy than just like having fun with drugs or so, you know, and, uh, trusting 01:46:43.512 --> 01:46:45.162 my friend and said like, oh, let's try it. 01:46:45.192 --> 01:46:49.482 And then, um, and it was, uh, tell everybody it was the best thing 01:46:49.482 --> 01:46:51.222 I did in my life, you know, so 01:46:52.752 --> 01:46:52.932 Rupert Isaacson: well. 01:46:52.932 --> 01:46:53.202 Right. 01:46:53.202 --> 01:46:56.922 You know, often, um, you know, when people say, for example, go down to 01:46:56.922 --> 01:47:02.112 the Amazon looking for healing, they'll often find themselves, uh, with a ero, 01:47:02.112 --> 01:47:04.242 you know, a, a healer doing ayahuasca. 01:47:04.662 --> 01:47:05.352 Um, yeah. 01:47:05.352 --> 01:47:07.152 Which of course is a very, very strong hallucinogen. 01:47:07.662 --> 01:47:08.202 Um. 01:47:08.967 --> 01:47:11.967 But many people will report I, yes. 01:47:11.967 --> 01:47:19.797 What I needed was a kind of radical way to break through an out of the worldview 01:47:20.337 --> 01:47:23.667 that has been to some I've been stuck in. 01:47:24.387 --> 01:47:28.317 And I needed kind of a radical change of environment, both physically 01:47:28.437 --> 01:47:33.117 and mentally, emotionally, in order to get this other perspective. 01:47:33.117 --> 01:47:37.827 Otherwise, I, I sort of couldn't break out of the, the rut that I was in. 01:47:37.977 --> 01:47:39.927 Do you feel that that's what happened to you? 01:47:40.437 --> 01:47:40.857 Yeah. 01:47:42.267 --> 01:47:43.017 Ralf Daab: Yeah, exactly. 01:47:43.017 --> 01:47:46.857 But it's also like after like the first time, it's like, it's like four years ago. 01:47:47.187 --> 01:47:50.397 So, um, and it's a whole process, you know, I realized, you know, after 01:47:50.397 --> 01:47:53.697 four years I did like many times different ways, you know, different 01:47:53.697 --> 01:47:57.867 locations, you know, like I ended up like, you know, some places and. 01:47:58.467 --> 01:48:02.607 Um, and also tried other things, you know, with mushrooms and, and so on. 01:48:03.057 --> 01:48:08.397 And now after four years, I realize it's, it's not just the one, one journey, 01:48:08.457 --> 01:48:13.047 you know, or, you know, even the, the weekend or so, it's a whole process. 01:48:13.047 --> 01:48:14.277 It's like it changed. 01:48:14.277 --> 01:48:16.947 That transformation is going on like forever, you know? 01:48:16.947 --> 01:48:22.587 So it's like, but you, the thing is, like, you, you, I learned to 01:48:22.587 --> 01:48:27.297 let things go, you know, like to now during these journeys, to, to look 01:48:27.297 --> 01:48:32.817 at things, to, to, uh, have sometimes the same feeling again about things. 01:48:32.847 --> 01:48:35.787 Even when I was a child, I, I could look at this, say, 01:48:35.817 --> 01:48:37.347 oh yeah, that was not so bad. 01:48:37.347 --> 01:48:40.107 Or that was so, and, and, and, and let go. 01:48:40.197 --> 01:48:45.477 And, and now I realize that, that it's just part, it's just one part of it. 01:48:45.507 --> 01:48:45.807 You know? 01:48:45.807 --> 01:48:49.107 It's not like you do one journey MDMA or whatever it is, you know, 01:48:49.107 --> 01:48:50.577 like, and, oh, you're healed now. 01:48:50.607 --> 01:48:51.927 Oh, you changed my life now. 01:48:51.927 --> 01:48:53.037 No, no, it's like. 01:48:53.802 --> 01:48:58.482 To change your life or, you know, to go to, through a real transformation. 01:48:58.482 --> 01:49:02.922 It's, it's, it's takes weeks and years and, and, and goes on, you know, like, no 01:49:02.922 --> 01:49:03.162 Rupert Isaacson: doubt. 01:49:03.162 --> 01:49:04.782 But you need that initial experience. 01:49:04.782 --> 01:49:06.432 Initial experience to sort of 01:49:06.432 --> 01:49:08.292 Ralf Daab: help leapfrog into that. 01:49:08.292 --> 01:49:09.522 Yes, exactly. 01:49:09.522 --> 01:49:14.622 And the initial experience is like to, to to, to become like 01:49:14.622 --> 01:49:17.502 in different consciousness, you know, different perspectives. 01:49:18.102 --> 01:49:22.842 And this is what I never had experienced before without that 01:49:22.842 --> 01:49:26.772 drug, you know, without MDMA, uh, or without mushrooms, whatever. 01:49:27.192 --> 01:49:32.832 But MDA is more like, uh, for me at least, it was like to, uh. 01:49:33.222 --> 01:49:35.382 To see things from a different perspective. 01:49:35.802 --> 01:49:36.132 Yeah. 01:49:36.432 --> 01:49:39.912 Uh, every ev every time like really clear. 01:49:39.912 --> 01:49:43.992 It's not like you're a, you're like sleeping or, so I was always 01:49:43.992 --> 01:49:47.592 clear and I was, I've experienced stories, really stories. 01:49:48.012 --> 01:49:51.282 I was in those stories in like 500 years ago in Persia. 01:49:51.582 --> 01:49:53.112 I was in, in the universe. 01:49:53.112 --> 01:49:54.192 I was an astronaut. 01:49:54.192 --> 01:49:58.902 I was, and my soul was up there in, in the Big bang or whatever it is, 01:49:58.902 --> 01:50:00.222 you know, like, and I said like, what? 01:50:00.222 --> 01:50:08.772 It was such great stories and experiences and um, that changed my view of myself 01:50:09.612 --> 01:50:11.892 and my surrounding my people around me. 01:50:12.162 --> 01:50:15.342 So it's like all it is, it's like a kind of heart opener. 01:50:15.372 --> 01:50:21.702 And then when you go that path like I did, um, you'll see 01:50:21.702 --> 01:50:24.882 that, that your life change. 01:50:24.942 --> 01:50:26.022 But it's like not, I. 01:50:27.222 --> 01:50:30.042 You know, if you, you stay in your environment, if you stay 01:50:30.042 --> 01:50:33.612 in your structure, you, you don't change really a lot. 01:50:33.732 --> 01:50:35.082 So you have to let go. 01:50:35.382 --> 01:50:39.372 And you have to realize, and you have to say, okay, if I, if a relationship 01:50:39.372 --> 01:50:44.322 ends now, yeah, maybe it has to end now because without ending the 01:50:44.322 --> 01:50:47.952 end of the relationship, you can cannot experience something new or 01:50:47.952 --> 01:50:51.492 you move to a new place, you know, and it's all part of the journey. 01:50:51.972 --> 01:50:56.382 Um, and that's, that's it all started four years ago with the MDMA and I, 01:50:56.382 --> 01:51:01.452 I did many, many trips, many, uh, and I still do, uh, it's kind of like 01:51:02.172 --> 01:51:04.182 sometimes I feel I don't need it anymore. 01:51:04.452 --> 01:51:08.232 'cause, uh, it's like what your neuroscience would say, tell you, 01:51:08.232 --> 01:51:11.802 it is like the neuro, they can adjust, uh, you know, things. 01:51:11.832 --> 01:51:15.372 Um, and then you, you can get the same feeling or you can, I can change 01:51:15.372 --> 01:51:21.132 my perspective now without taking anything because my neuron, they, they 01:51:21.132 --> 01:51:23.232 experience, they can, they can, uh. 01:51:23.967 --> 01:51:25.467 They can be in that same state. 01:51:25.467 --> 01:51:32.307 So, and um, yeah, so for me it was like, it's a, it's a game changer. 01:51:32.307 --> 01:51:33.477 Rupert Isaacson: It's, it's a life changer. 01:51:33.717 --> 01:51:38.877 And, uh, in those early days when you were first taking these journeys, and I'm 01:51:38.877 --> 01:51:44.217 gonna ask you to describe, you know, some of the journeys that stand out the most 01:51:44.277 --> 01:51:47.877 and the insights you got from them, but in those early days when you were first 01:51:47.877 --> 01:51:50.967 beginning with it, did you find it very difficult then to reintegrate yourself 01:51:50.967 --> 01:51:55.437 back into, if you like, ordinary life, making a living business, picking up the 01:51:55.437 --> 01:51:57.597 phone to people, striking deals, whatever? 01:51:57.807 --> 01:51:59.487 Or did you actually find that? 01:51:59.487 --> 01:52:02.037 No, it was actually much more of an effortless flow. 01:52:03.567 --> 01:52:04.332 The first journeys 01:52:04.332 --> 01:52:07.962 Ralf Daab: I, I remember was like, I, I was telling everybody now how great 01:52:07.962 --> 01:52:11.892 it is, you know, it was like friends and family, and people are like, some 01:52:11.892 --> 01:52:15.252 people on the street maybe say like, I, you know, this is so fantastic. 01:52:15.252 --> 01:52:18.162 Everybody should do it, and everybody has to like, go on 01:52:18.162 --> 01:52:19.722 trips and it's change everything. 01:52:20.292 --> 01:52:23.352 So then I realized you, you cannot talk to everybody about it. 01:52:23.352 --> 01:52:25.902 You know, some people said, Hey, he's crazy, what is he doing? 01:52:25.902 --> 01:52:30.822 And uh, um, and I said like, yeah, okay, um, you shouldn't 01:52:30.822 --> 01:52:32.712 talk to everybody about it. 01:52:32.772 --> 01:52:34.872 Uh, just to people who are really interested. 01:52:34.872 --> 01:52:37.152 And I said, like, you know, you figure out, you know, who's 01:52:37.152 --> 01:52:38.832 really interested and who's not. 01:52:39.492 --> 01:52:40.032 But yeah. 01:52:40.032 --> 01:52:44.082 And then I, um, got to the point and said like, okay, what I'm doing 01:52:44.082 --> 01:52:48.672 now if I continue this journey is I realize myself that I'm changing Now. 01:52:48.672 --> 01:52:51.282 I, you know, I, I, I talk differently. 01:52:51.282 --> 01:52:52.392 I feel differently. 01:52:52.722 --> 01:52:56.742 So if I, if I want to stay in my old world, I have to stop 01:52:56.772 --> 01:52:59.082 now because it doesn't work. 01:52:59.262 --> 01:53:01.692 Or I, I say, okay. 01:53:02.352 --> 01:53:03.432 That's my new path. 01:53:04.452 --> 01:53:07.632 I go that path no matter what. 01:53:09.012 --> 01:53:11.142 And I do, and I did, and I still do. 01:53:11.352 --> 01:53:15.252 And then, um, you realize that you don't have to talk about anymore. 01:53:15.282 --> 01:53:16.002 It just comes. 01:53:16.422 --> 01:53:18.462 People just come or they don't, you know? 01:53:18.942 --> 01:53:21.792 And, and the things change. 01:53:22.062 --> 01:53:28.032 And also in terms of business, it opened up new paths as well. 01:53:28.032 --> 01:53:32.952 So I'm doing, I'm, my conversations now with, with architects or interior 01:53:32.952 --> 01:53:36.417 designers is different now and, and the business is growing actually. 01:53:36.417 --> 01:53:37.542 But those are the books you're doing now, right? 01:53:37.542 --> 01:53:39.162 The, your higher series, 01:53:39.162 --> 01:53:40.032 Rupert Isaacson: it's about architecture. 01:53:40.032 --> 01:53:40.302 You'll do the 01:53:40.302 --> 01:53:43.212 Ralf Daab: architecture and interior books and the business 01:53:43.212 --> 01:53:44.772 actually growing like this year. 01:53:44.772 --> 01:53:46.122 And it's like, it's amazing. 01:53:46.122 --> 01:53:51.432 You know, it's like the more I open up, the more people I attract to, to publish 01:53:51.432 --> 01:53:53.082 with me, to publish their work with me. 01:53:53.562 --> 01:53:55.752 Plus I've written my own book. 01:53:56.472 --> 01:53:57.702 About the stories. 01:53:57.762 --> 01:54:02.802 Uh, a little book I published myself, uh, under my new labor high on 01:54:02.802 --> 01:54:07.302 living, um, came out like in February and then it sounded quite good. 01:54:07.602 --> 01:54:09.072 And, uh, tell us about the book. 01:54:09.072 --> 01:54:09.462 What is it? 01:54:09.462 --> 01:54:10.032 What's it called? 01:54:10.482 --> 01:54:13.722 Yeah, I wrote the stories like, um, the stories I experienced on this 01:54:13.722 --> 01:54:15.852 journeys, you know, I wrote them down. 01:54:15.852 --> 01:54:17.892 This is like 32 episodes in the book. 01:54:17.892 --> 01:54:22.542 They're short episodes, you know, so, um, and it's, yeah, you could read 01:54:22.542 --> 01:54:26.532 it and get really good responses from people say, okay, this is really cool. 01:54:26.532 --> 01:54:31.752 I could see myself in this same story, you know, like up in the universe or. 01:54:32.352 --> 01:54:36.882 Uh, I journey to myself in my own self, in my own nothing. 01:54:37.002 --> 01:54:39.972 You know, when you on your own atom, there's nothing there. 01:54:40.212 --> 01:54:44.532 But then I experienced the most energy ever I experienced. 01:54:44.532 --> 01:54:48.732 So, and it opened up everything and started to love myself. 01:54:48.732 --> 01:54:52.662 Self-love is basically, I experienced on one of the journeys, I was myself 01:54:52.662 --> 01:54:55.332 saying, wow, this is, this is love. 01:54:55.392 --> 01:54:58.392 This is, I didn't know what love is before love. 01:54:58.392 --> 01:55:04.542 I thought of this could live, love my wife or my, my parents, my son, but this 01:55:04.542 --> 01:55:06.942 kind of love I, I didn't know before. 01:55:07.062 --> 01:55:13.122 So, um, I wrote this little book and um, actually it was like when I moved here to 01:55:13.122 --> 01:55:18.432 Opco, uh, two days, two days later, I was like posting a video on Instagram saying, 01:55:18.492 --> 01:55:21.102 uh, I'm living up here now in the nature. 01:55:21.132 --> 01:55:22.212 And I got like, from my. 01:55:22.902 --> 01:55:25.182 Former, um, employee Laura. 01:55:25.422 --> 01:55:29.292 She used to work for me in, in Cologne like 12, 13 years ago. 01:55:29.292 --> 01:55:31.902 She's like, she wrote on Instagram like, what are you doing there? 01:55:32.232 --> 01:55:33.222 She said like, well, I live here now. 01:55:33.282 --> 01:55:36.282 Well, she said, like, I live in like right here in the village, 01:55:36.282 --> 01:55:38.982 like for 10 years, so let's meet. 01:55:38.982 --> 01:55:43.812 And her husband was also involved in the, in uncle in, uh, in the reading day, 01:55:43.812 --> 01:55:45.942 like where authors came to do readings. 01:55:46.002 --> 01:55:47.892 And so he took me into the program. 01:55:47.952 --> 01:55:52.452 So I was there officially in Hong Kong and did two readings that day. 01:55:52.512 --> 01:55:57.582 It was fun, you know, people came and, uh, listened to my, my Stories 01:55:58.452 --> 01:55:59.652 and tell us the name of the book. 01:56:00.042 --> 01:56:02.082 The book is named Dbia. 01:56:02.352 --> 01:56:03.282 There you are again. 01:56:03.417 --> 01:56:04.437 Dbi You again. 01:56:04.962 --> 01:56:06.972 Uh, 32 episodes. 01:56:07.032 --> 01:56:14.172 Um, yeah, soul Journey, uh, of Zaza and Ze episode. 01:56:14.172 --> 01:56:14.922 That's the Journey. 01:56:15.222 --> 01:56:15.822 Subtitle. 01:56:16.392 --> 01:56:19.422 Um, and Zaza Ze Being Journey. 01:56:19.452 --> 01:56:19.542 Right. 01:56:21.072 --> 01:56:24.252 And it's, it's a nice little book and yeah, people like it. 01:56:24.252 --> 01:56:30.342 And, uh, so that's the basic, and, and through that book I got, um, I, I'm 01:56:30.342 --> 01:56:32.592 getting now, uh, three more authors. 01:56:32.622 --> 01:56:35.982 Like I one author in, in Hedburg now, like Christine, she wrote 01:56:35.982 --> 01:56:37.002 a book about her journey. 01:56:37.002 --> 01:56:40.212 Like one year she traveled with her family around the world. 01:56:40.212 --> 01:56:41.922 She, she wrote really nice books. 01:56:41.922 --> 01:56:46.062 So that's, I'm gonna publish that book under high on Living and, and others. 01:56:46.062 --> 01:56:53.387 So then through that, the new publishing part, um, we call it High on Journey, high 01:56:53.387 --> 01:56:59.022 on Living, not On Journey, high on Living, uh, is a new, um, division kind of buddy. 01:56:59.787 --> 01:57:05.277 Where I'm gonna publish the, the stories of people with their want to, you 01:57:05.277 --> 01:57:08.667 know, write their book about their own story and bring it out to the world. 01:57:09.087 --> 01:57:14.937 And it's, it's really cool so that, you know, so my, my past, my journeys, 01:57:14.937 --> 01:57:17.037 I got into a new business basically. 01:57:17.697 --> 01:57:22.197 And, uh, it's really interesting to see like how people are attracted to that. 01:57:22.197 --> 01:57:25.257 You know, it's also part of like, I think the future where people think 01:57:25.257 --> 01:57:31.287 about more, uh, how you run a business and what kind of business, uh, is good. 01:57:31.287 --> 01:57:35.517 So, um, I remember like a year ago I posted something on LinkedIn saying, 01:57:35.517 --> 01:57:39.897 you know, I'm, I'm going, like, the spiritual entrepreneurship is the new 01:57:39.897 --> 01:57:43.857 thing, kind of, you know, you have social entrepreneurship where you've got the 01:57:44.427 --> 01:57:47.967 sustainability and all that kind of stuff, but the spiritual entrepreneurship 01:57:47.967 --> 01:57:52.437 is something, it's in the future, like, especially the young generations looking 01:57:52.437 --> 01:57:55.137 to, to start is basically what, what. 01:57:55.527 --> 01:57:59.397 Kind of product or service you can do for, for everybody that it's not like, 01:58:00.297 --> 01:58:03.327 of course you run a business and you should make money with it, you know? 01:58:03.327 --> 01:58:06.267 So it's not like, uh, but in a different way. 01:58:06.267 --> 01:58:10.737 It's not like you make money no matter what, and you, uh, you know, 01:58:10.857 --> 01:58:14.487 keep it all for yourself, you know, like we have nowadays with all the, 01:58:14.487 --> 01:58:18.867 the Jeff Basos and things, you know, I have like super yachts and so no, 01:58:18.867 --> 01:58:20.367 that's not spiritual entrepreneurship. 01:58:20.397 --> 01:58:22.767 It is like for, for everybody. 01:58:22.767 --> 01:58:26.877 And, and that's, that's the kind of thing I, I, I'm, I'm looking into, 01:58:26.877 --> 01:58:30.837 and that's, uh, that's how I want to start or build up my new publishing 01:58:30.837 --> 01:58:32.487 division also as a community. 01:58:33.057 --> 01:58:35.037 And it's all part, it's all together now. 01:58:35.037 --> 01:58:38.817 And like, started with my first MD major like four years ago. 01:58:39.417 --> 01:58:40.377 It's incredible. 01:58:40.377 --> 01:58:44.277 But what happened since, ever since, you know, so, uh, and 01:58:44.277 --> 01:58:45.687 it's, it goes on, you know? 01:58:45.687 --> 01:58:45.897 So. 01:58:45.902 --> 01:58:46.072 So 01:58:46.227 --> 01:58:47.727 Rupert Isaacson: let's talk about some of those journeys. 01:58:47.817 --> 01:58:51.507 Um, tell us about the first journey you did, and then I want you to give us. 01:58:52.182 --> 01:58:55.602 Some windows on some of those other journeys. 01:58:55.602 --> 01:58:57.642 Let's start with your first journey four years ago. 01:58:58.482 --> 01:59:01.212 Well, the first journey was like, um, I 01:59:01.212 --> 01:59:05.352 Ralf Daab: was, you know, you, you put the music on you basically, you take 01:59:05.352 --> 01:59:07.212 it and then it takes like half an hour. 01:59:07.212 --> 01:59:08.712 So, and then you put the music on. 01:59:09.132 --> 01:59:09.882 You're lying down. 01:59:10.482 --> 01:59:12.047 You lying down on the mattress in a quiet room. 01:59:12.047 --> 01:59:12.072 Quiet room. 01:59:13.182 --> 01:59:13.542 Yeah. 01:59:13.602 --> 01:59:16.212 Someone is there with you to look after you a bit. 01:59:16.242 --> 01:59:16.572 Yeah. 01:59:16.572 --> 01:59:17.592 Right, right. 01:59:17.592 --> 01:59:19.302 It, it's better like setting settings. 01:59:19.302 --> 01:59:20.142 Very important. 01:59:20.172 --> 01:59:21.447 Someone with not alone experience. 01:59:21.447 --> 01:59:22.512 Alone with experience. 01:59:22.512 --> 01:59:25.807 And you can have also like conversations, you know, during your, mm-hmm. 01:59:25.807 --> 01:59:26.167 Your, your. 01:59:27.072 --> 01:59:27.612 Journey. 01:59:27.942 --> 01:59:31.752 So I was like looking out the window and I saw like birds flying 01:59:31.752 --> 01:59:32.892 and said like, oh, that's fun. 01:59:32.982 --> 01:59:34.602 You know, let's fly with birds, you know? 01:59:34.602 --> 01:59:38.442 So, and I really, my soul left my body and I went up to the, and fly, you 01:59:38.442 --> 01:59:40.632 know, played with the, with the birds. 01:59:40.632 --> 01:59:45.852 And then I suddenly went further up through the clouds, through the, uh, sky. 01:59:45.852 --> 01:59:50.982 And I was up in, in the universe in the, so, and then I saw the earth from above. 01:59:51.072 --> 01:59:54.612 And, uh, how beautiful this be. 01:59:54.612 --> 01:59:58.632 Blue planet was standing, like, looked like standing still. 01:59:58.722 --> 02:00:02.562 I was really like, it, it, it wasn't like looking a picture, it was like I 02:00:02.562 --> 02:00:07.422 was there, my soul was up there, and I looked at this beautiful planet. 02:00:07.422 --> 02:00:09.162 I said like, oh yeah, my God, this is so beautiful. 02:00:09.162 --> 02:00:10.752 And what are, what are we doing here? 02:00:10.752 --> 02:00:13.872 And then, and then suddenly I had like a drag kind of like, 02:00:13.902 --> 02:00:15.432 uh, it was so, so, so fast. 02:00:15.432 --> 02:00:18.162 I said, what the, the, the earth doesn't stand still. 02:00:18.162 --> 02:00:20.352 It, it, it turns like in one day. 02:00:21.362 --> 02:00:24.927 We, we have speed of 1,600 kilometers per hour. 02:00:24.927 --> 02:00:27.537 We, we moving, but we don't feel it, you know? 02:00:27.537 --> 02:00:32.487 So, and the, the, the earth is moving around the sun with the speed 02:00:32.487 --> 02:00:35.337 of 100,000 kilometers per hour. 02:00:36.057 --> 02:00:36.987 And it's incredible. 02:00:36.987 --> 02:00:37.917 Like, and you know what? 02:00:38.042 --> 02:00:42.177 And you don't feel it, but when you, and then I realized, hey, 02:00:42.237 --> 02:00:45.297 this is so, this is amazing. 02:00:45.297 --> 02:00:49.047 But it's also like, uh, so it, it changed my perspective of 02:00:49.077 --> 02:00:50.667 like, being on that planet. 02:00:51.237 --> 02:00:51.867 You know what I mean? 02:00:51.867 --> 02:00:57.477 It's like seeing from outside and, and feeling the, the speed and almost 02:00:57.477 --> 02:00:58.827 felt like, you know, I'm nothing. 02:00:58.827 --> 02:01:02.907 I'm, I'm, I'm, and, and how f how big the universe is and how 02:01:02.907 --> 02:01:04.857 f everything is so creative. 02:01:04.857 --> 02:01:07.077 So I said like, who am I? 02:01:07.197 --> 02:01:09.207 You know, what am I doing here? 02:01:09.447 --> 02:01:11.727 Why we have wars on earth? 02:01:11.727 --> 02:01:15.567 Why we have so crazy people, like, you know, so that, that 02:01:15.567 --> 02:01:17.007 first journey changed my. 02:01:17.877 --> 02:01:22.047 Perspective of everything myself, the earth, the universe. 02:01:22.797 --> 02:01:26.727 And then, then I got back into my body and I was laying there. 02:01:26.727 --> 02:01:29.397 I said like, wow, this was incredible. 02:01:29.457 --> 02:01:31.947 This was, I've never had this experience before. 02:01:32.427 --> 02:01:37.407 And I was really, it felt like, you know, not looking TV or on the picture. 02:01:37.407 --> 02:01:38.967 It was like my soul was up there. 02:01:39.477 --> 02:01:42.957 And maybe it was, I think it was because maybe my soul was up there 02:01:42.957 --> 02:01:44.277 in form alive or whatever, you know? 02:01:44.277 --> 02:01:49.527 So, and that's a difference of, you know, maybe just meditation or being 02:01:49.527 --> 02:01:51.777 like in a different consciousness. 02:01:52.857 --> 02:01:56.067 Rupert Isaacson: Well, I think consciousness is the, is the word there. 02:01:56.277 --> 02:02:00.777 Um, you know, listening to the current 02:02:02.817 --> 02:02:07.977 conversations that are going on around quantum, um, explorations from 02:02:07.977 --> 02:02:15.867 physicists, it seems that the people who were dubbed crazy, like, um, uh. 02:02:17.232 --> 02:02:21.102 Penrose back in, in, in the uk. 02:02:21.102 --> 02:02:22.032 He was in his nineties. 02:02:22.032 --> 02:02:28.962 Now he, even though he was a, a Nobel laureate, even though he, uh, made many, 02:02:28.962 --> 02:02:34.182 many, um, contributions to mainstream science that he was celebrated for 02:02:34.302 --> 02:02:38.082 when he came up with the idea that perhaps the universe is conscious, 02:02:38.082 --> 02:02:43.932 perhaps physics, the answers in in classical physics are just not enough. 02:02:44.112 --> 02:02:52.002 Um, and that they need to interact with fields of consciousness that 02:02:52.002 --> 02:02:54.642 seem to be expressed through quantum. 02:02:55.797 --> 02:02:57.387 He was just, you know, laughed out of town. 02:02:57.387 --> 02:03:02.697 And then you had people like, uh, Rupert Shel, Drake, another renowned physicist 02:03:02.697 --> 02:03:06.327 in the uk basically saying the same thing, saying, no, I think, you know, 02:03:06.597 --> 02:03:09.507 from a scientific point of view, the only explanation is that we're dealing 02:03:09.507 --> 02:03:12.747 with a conscious universe and that everything is conscious and that cells 02:03:12.747 --> 02:03:17.607 a conscious, and consciousness is not, not a, not a product of the human brain. 02:03:17.877 --> 02:03:20.727 That the human brain comes from consciousness. 02:03:20.877 --> 02:03:27.177 Um, you know, and that old sort of Judeo-Christian idea of from 02:03:27.177 --> 02:03:31.047 Descartes in the 17th century, I think therefore I am right. 02:03:31.107 --> 02:03:35.637 Um, and so therefore only humans, you know, have spirituality, 02:03:35.637 --> 02:03:36.957 emotion, soul, blah, blah, blah. 02:03:36.957 --> 02:03:40.287 And of course this was taken up by the church with great alacrity 'cause 02:03:40.287 --> 02:03:42.447 it meant one could get away with doing all sorts of horrible things. 02:03:42.447 --> 02:03:46.227 'cause then you could also have a hierarchy of, within humans, you know, 02:03:46.227 --> 02:03:48.567 who, who's more worthy than others. 02:03:48.567 --> 02:03:50.097 And of course that turned out to be white people. 02:03:50.877 --> 02:03:51.357 Um. 02:03:52.332 --> 02:03:55.422 Especially, you know, ones who are gonna go and do some colonizing. 02:03:55.812 --> 02:04:01.992 Um, all of that seems to be breaking down now, and the people who are 02:04:02.172 --> 02:04:09.162 exploring fields of consciousness, um, in the western world all seem 02:04:09.162 --> 02:04:10.452 to be coming to this conclusion. 02:04:11.262 --> 02:04:15.642 Talk us through, um, your next journeys, because that was sort of 02:04:15.642 --> 02:04:18.822 your icebreaker, if you like, right? 02:04:18.852 --> 02:04:21.402 Where you you got the new perspective. 02:04:21.402 --> 02:04:27.462 And I remember having that same response when I was sort of in my 02:04:28.332 --> 02:04:32.532 late teens, early twenties, I think when I first ever did psychotropics. 02:04:32.712 --> 02:04:36.552 I think I was living in Canada actually at the time, and, uh, when I first 02:04:36.552 --> 02:04:42.042 did LSD and I realized this is before any of my exposure to sort of shamma 02:04:42.042 --> 02:04:43.332 shamanism or anything like that. 02:04:43.842 --> 02:04:46.962 And I remember thinking, this is really useful because this is like 02:04:46.962 --> 02:04:49.842 being taken up to a window on. 02:04:51.642 --> 02:04:57.222 Spirituality or window on altered consciousness or what now people 02:04:57.222 --> 02:05:01.512 might call other fields, but you can't really go through that window. 02:05:02.067 --> 02:05:06.852 The, the drug is also, it gives you the, the perspective, 02:05:06.852 --> 02:05:08.022 but also is the limitation. 02:05:08.892 --> 02:05:14.082 Um, and then later when I encountered, you know, sun Bushman healers and 02:05:14.082 --> 02:05:20.202 others who could go through that window, um, I, of course, you know, my 02:05:20.202 --> 02:05:23.892 life changed, but I remember thinking very early, yes, this is great. 02:05:23.892 --> 02:05:28.482 I'm so glad I got a chance to see through this window, but I 02:05:28.482 --> 02:05:29.292 can't go through that window. 02:05:29.472 --> 02:05:29.772 You know? 02:05:30.402 --> 02:05:37.632 So you, but so you kind of a bit did go through the window on that first 02:05:38.802 --> 02:05:41.562 trip, but not perhaps fully right? 02:05:41.562 --> 02:05:42.642 You're still. 02:05:43.467 --> 02:05:46.287 Aware, well, this is a medicine I've taken, or this is a drug that 02:05:46.287 --> 02:05:47.397 I've taken, it's brought me here. 02:05:47.847 --> 02:05:50.757 How does it then develop, talk, talk us through the next couple, when's the next 02:05:50.757 --> 02:05:55.917 sort of most significant moment in, in these journeys that stands out for you? 02:05:56.667 --> 02:05:57.117 Right. 02:05:57.412 --> 02:06:01.137 Ralf Daab: And, and this is very the most significant, uh, story I was 02:06:01.137 --> 02:06:02.967 like before, went on the journey. 02:06:02.972 --> 02:06:06.927 I said like, you know, I wanna really know what am I doing in my, my life here? 02:06:06.957 --> 02:06:07.827 What is my purpose? 02:06:07.827 --> 02:06:08.667 What is my calling? 02:06:08.667 --> 02:06:11.997 Like, you know, am I really doing the things I'm supposed to do? 02:06:11.997 --> 02:06:17.067 Like, uh, so sometimes you, you can ask questions before or, you know, but it's, 02:06:17.067 --> 02:06:18.657 it's not necessarily that it comes up. 02:06:18.657 --> 02:06:21.537 The subconscious will tell you what, you know, what's important. 02:06:21.537 --> 02:06:25.917 But in this case, it came up and so I was listening to music. 02:06:25.917 --> 02:06:27.777 It was, um, same thing. 02:06:27.777 --> 02:06:30.657 It was on a mattress listening to music, and it was a kind of, 02:06:30.717 --> 02:06:33.387 kind of Arabian melody music. 02:06:34.137 --> 02:06:39.682 So suddenly I saw myself on a bazaar in Persia, but some hundred years ago. 02:06:40.932 --> 02:06:43.632 So I was walking through, was bizarre, looking at, you know, 02:06:43.632 --> 02:06:48.072 beautiful things like bases, like carpets, like beautiful things. 02:06:48.072 --> 02:06:50.982 And the people like who were selling that, they know me, they, they 02:06:50.982 --> 02:06:53.412 offered me to take, oh, take a look at here and there and there. 02:06:54.282 --> 02:06:57.912 So, and then suddenly two guards came, like soldiers, and they Japanese said 02:06:57.912 --> 02:07:00.042 like, oh, I, you are Ralph, right? 02:07:00.582 --> 02:07:06.162 And, um, yeah, I said like, yeah, um, come on, the, the Salton wants to see you. 02:07:06.642 --> 02:07:08.232 I said, Saltan, why Saltan? 02:07:08.232 --> 02:07:08.502 Yeah. 02:07:08.502 --> 02:07:09.012 Come on. 02:07:09.312 --> 02:07:10.992 So, and, and I'm telling this story. 02:07:10.992 --> 02:07:12.612 I'm really in that story. 02:07:12.612 --> 02:07:15.072 I'm not, you know, looking from the outside and then 02:07:15.072 --> 02:07:17.112 see the, I'm in the story. 02:07:17.322 --> 02:07:18.192 It's the same thing. 02:07:18.192 --> 02:07:18.792 As I said before. 02:07:18.792 --> 02:07:22.092 My soul was in the, I like up in space now. 02:07:22.092 --> 02:07:24.702 My soul was in Persia some hundred years ago. 02:07:25.662 --> 02:07:30.192 And I, you know, I could hear the voices, I could see everything like, as I would 02:07:30.252 --> 02:07:32.562 be there, like, so I was in the, in the. 02:07:33.597 --> 02:07:38.517 Uh, I was, yeah, walking with the palace and, and towards the, the sultan. 02:07:38.547 --> 02:07:41.217 So the Sultan said, hello, Ralph, very nice to see you. 02:07:41.937 --> 02:07:42.747 Glad you came. 02:07:43.197 --> 02:07:46.047 And, uh, and then he said that this is it. 02:07:46.107 --> 02:07:48.897 They say, you can see the beauty. 02:07:49.527 --> 02:07:53.937 Show me the beauty in this world, because I cannot see the beauty show the 02:07:53.937 --> 02:07:55.707 beauty to me, and I will make you rich. 02:07:55.707 --> 02:07:58.677 So I said, okay, all right. 02:07:58.677 --> 02:08:02.547 So that's, and then I, this stopped, story stopped, and it was like in the 02:08:02.547 --> 02:08:04.887 conversation with the guy was with me. 02:08:04.887 --> 02:08:07.947 He said like, you know what, I could just experience I salt like 02:08:07.947 --> 02:08:09.387 some hundred years ago in Persia. 02:08:09.597 --> 02:08:10.917 He said, yeah, what does it mean? 02:08:11.127 --> 02:08:14.037 Like your subconscious wants to tell you something of that. 02:08:14.457 --> 02:08:15.088 So, yeah, yeah. 02:08:15.117 --> 02:08:19.197 I'm doing books like for the last 20 years I published books on architecture, 02:08:19.227 --> 02:08:23.607 art, fashion, you know, to show beautiful things, you know, to other people. 02:08:23.877 --> 02:08:24.777 That's what I'm doing. 02:08:24.807 --> 02:08:25.047 Yeah. 02:08:25.077 --> 02:08:25.557 Okay. 02:08:25.647 --> 02:08:27.777 So, all right, that's that. 02:08:27.957 --> 02:08:31.647 So now, now I know that I'm doing the right thing, you know, because. 02:08:32.172 --> 02:08:34.062 That's what my subconscious told me. 02:08:35.112 --> 02:08:39.492 The funny, now the thing is like one of the next, not the next one, but the, the 02:08:39.492 --> 02:08:43.992 journey after like, I don't know, four months later, did the Suan feel that you 02:08:43.992 --> 02:08:47.412 did show him the beauty, or did Yeah. 02:08:47.412 --> 02:08:49.032 That the story continues. 02:08:49.242 --> 02:08:49.422 Mm-hmm. 02:08:49.662 --> 02:08:54.252 Like four months later, say music comes up, you know, mattress. 02:08:54.252 --> 02:08:57.252 And I was like, oh, I'm in Persia again. 02:08:57.642 --> 02:08:59.832 And I said, oh, oh, let's see what's gonna happen. 02:09:00.492 --> 02:09:04.602 So I'm in front of the S again and he says like, oh yeah, glad you're back. 02:09:04.842 --> 02:09:07.692 I, you know, I watch you and then you do a good job. 02:09:07.752 --> 02:09:08.322 Continue. 02:09:08.352 --> 02:09:09.132 It is all right. 02:09:09.132 --> 02:09:11.052 You know, that's, you're doing the right thing. 02:09:11.562 --> 02:09:13.062 Uh, but I have to tell you something. 02:09:13.422 --> 02:09:14.547 I said, okay, what do you have to tell him? 02:09:14.952 --> 02:09:16.602 And he says, I don't exist. 02:09:16.992 --> 02:09:18.612 I said, what do you mean you don't exist? 02:09:18.612 --> 02:09:19.272 Who are you? 02:09:19.812 --> 02:09:25.272 And then he says, in this word, I'm God, I'm the universe, and I'm you. 02:09:25.512 --> 02:09:26.592 And then he vanished. 02:09:26.622 --> 02:09:28.332 He, he exposed, he's gone. 02:09:28.722 --> 02:09:29.592 The palace is gone. 02:09:29.592 --> 02:09:30.342 Everything is gone. 02:09:30.342 --> 02:09:31.662 I'm on the mattress, I'm back. 02:09:31.662 --> 02:09:32.562 And the said what? 02:09:33.432 --> 02:09:33.732 Yeah. 02:09:33.732 --> 02:09:36.162 And then talking to the guy, I said that, yeah, it was just happens. 02:09:36.162 --> 02:09:41.082 Had the high spiritual, uh, experience saying like, it's all in my set. 02:09:41.082 --> 02:09:44.682 And me the sultan is just, I'm you. 02:09:44.742 --> 02:09:46.032 He said, like, it's in me. 02:09:46.332 --> 02:09:48.582 So it's all there. 02:09:49.182 --> 02:09:52.422 And that's, that's an incredible story. 02:09:53.142 --> 02:09:57.852 Now, um, now I know that I'm on the right path. 02:09:57.912 --> 02:10:04.902 So what happened then is we were in California two years ago and we 02:10:04.932 --> 02:10:06.612 were down in San Diego, LA Jolla. 02:10:06.612 --> 02:10:10.422 It's like, uh, a place I know, 'cause I've been there many times when I 02:10:10.422 --> 02:10:15.492 lived in the us So I was going to the bookstore and check out the bookstore. 02:10:16.032 --> 02:10:18.732 So there was a, I sort of sign psychic reading. 02:10:18.792 --> 02:10:20.652 I said like, ah, I'm curious. 02:10:20.652 --> 02:10:21.732 Let's say, let's go there. 02:10:21.732 --> 02:10:24.432 So I called and said like, come like in half an hour. 02:10:24.972 --> 02:10:29.232 So, um, so walk in and there's an old lady, beautiful setting, you 02:10:29.232 --> 02:10:30.492 know, it was more like a gallery. 02:10:31.002 --> 02:10:33.102 And I asked her, what, what can you do? 02:10:33.102 --> 02:10:36.132 So, and she said like, I, I can do a reading. 02:10:36.732 --> 02:10:37.752 I said, okay, let's do it. 02:10:37.752 --> 02:10:40.122 So one hour she said, like you said, just sit down. 02:10:40.152 --> 02:10:42.762 You don't say anything, you know, just listen. 02:10:42.762 --> 02:10:44.622 And after that you can ask questions. 02:10:44.892 --> 02:10:50.742 Like afterwards, in one hour she told me everything about my childhood, my, my 02:10:50.742 --> 02:10:55.752 life, my relationships, my, the things I'm doing, business wise, everything. 02:10:55.782 --> 02:10:56.592 And now it comes. 02:10:56.922 --> 02:11:03.042 Then she told me, in a former life you were in Persia on Aza you were responsible 02:11:03.042 --> 02:11:04.452 to show people beautiful things. 02:11:04.482 --> 02:11:07.512 Can you imagine like a psychic reader in California? 02:11:07.512 --> 02:11:08.082 That's real. 02:11:08.262 --> 02:11:10.062 It's not, that's not a journey. 02:11:10.062 --> 02:11:11.952 That's not, that's real life. 02:11:12.642 --> 02:11:18.012 She tells me the story I experienced on an Emily MJ journey six months before. 02:11:18.447 --> 02:11:19.167 Incredible. 02:11:19.502 --> 02:11:24.477 And then, and then af especially then I knew that's, that's something real, 02:11:24.597 --> 02:11:27.087 you know, now I know it's, it's there. 02:11:27.717 --> 02:11:31.107 It doesn't matter if it's a journey and the image or it's real life. 02:11:31.347 --> 02:11:33.537 It, it's, it's the same basically. 02:11:33.537 --> 02:11:37.167 And how can she possibly know that, you know? 02:11:37.167 --> 02:11:39.387 And, uh, did you ask her how she did? 02:11:39.387 --> 02:11:39.777 Yeah. 02:11:39.822 --> 02:11:40.948 And, and she said like, what? 02:11:41.157 --> 02:11:43.857 Uh, she said, like, when I walked in, she said, like, I 02:11:43.857 --> 02:11:45.327 was, she could see everything. 02:11:45.387 --> 02:11:46.287 I was open. 02:11:46.587 --> 02:11:49.497 She said like, uh, you know, you are very open. 02:11:49.497 --> 02:11:51.207 And then I told her about the journeys. 02:11:51.657 --> 02:11:55.197 She said, okay, now I know because you did the journeys, you're, you're very open. 02:11:55.202 --> 02:12:00.717 You can, you know, so you're, um, I, I have a feeling also that I can, things 02:12:00.717 --> 02:12:05.397 are channeled to me, you know, sometimes, you know, says, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 02:12:05.427 --> 02:12:06.897 That's all, that's you. 02:12:07.347 --> 02:12:08.097 And it's incredible. 02:12:08.097 --> 02:12:14.667 Then after that you said like, okay, now I'm, I'm really like, uh, the next level. 02:12:15.252 --> 02:12:18.972 Of my myself, basically, you know? 02:12:18.972 --> 02:12:23.892 So, and that showed me that what, what's in me, in my subconscious 02:12:24.042 --> 02:12:25.572 comes out through the MDA major. 02:12:25.572 --> 02:12:26.772 It is in real life. 02:12:26.922 --> 02:12:31.182 It's like what calla, uh, synchronicity happens, you know, like you 02:12:31.182 --> 02:12:33.702 experience things in real life. 02:12:34.212 --> 02:12:36.702 Maybe you have a dream or you have a journey. 02:12:36.702 --> 02:12:37.902 I'm the major, whatever. 02:12:37.902 --> 02:12:40.302 Or maybe mushrooms and things are happening. 02:12:40.962 --> 02:12:44.292 Um, and that's, I think, great. 02:12:45.582 --> 02:12:46.362 It opens up 02:12:46.872 --> 02:12:47.382 Rupert Isaacson: many doors. 02:12:47.382 --> 02:12:52.422 Did she elucidate or do you feel that what's going on with a thing 02:12:52.422 --> 02:12:55.362 like that is that you were dealing actually with a linear timeline? 02:12:55.362 --> 02:13:00.042 Like I used to be that person I, I'm, I'm now reincarnated as this person? 02:13:00.132 --> 02:13:08.142 Or do you or she feel that No, these are existing and overlapping parallels, fields 02:13:08.142 --> 02:13:11.262 of consciousness, which are perhaps. 02:13:11.982 --> 02:13:13.452 Happening simultaneously. 02:13:13.812 --> 02:13:14.112 Yeah. 02:13:14.112 --> 02:13:16.662 It's more like I experienced it happening all at the same time. 02:13:17.052 --> 02:13:19.332 So you are still the Yeah. 02:13:19.332 --> 02:13:20.682 It's, uh, person in Persia. 02:13:21.282 --> 02:13:21.462 Yeah. 02:13:21.462 --> 02:13:24.697 And you are still whoever you were or will be, right? 02:13:24.822 --> 02:13:25.182 Ralf Daab: Right. 02:13:25.362 --> 02:13:26.802 Even like in, in formal lives. 02:13:26.802 --> 02:13:30.942 But also now I'm still the young Ralph, the, the baby Ralph, the, the 02:13:30.942 --> 02:13:34.482 5-year-old Ralph, the 15-year-old Ralph. 02:13:34.512 --> 02:13:37.097 I'm, I'm also, but I'm also the 90-year-old Ralph. 02:13:37.437 --> 02:13:40.902 Old, old Ralph already I'm, everything's at the same time. 02:13:41.142 --> 02:13:42.912 It's just a different perspective. 02:13:43.872 --> 02:13:48.012 You know, when you look at this and you can say it's just, if I'm like, 02:13:48.252 --> 02:13:54.132 um, I'm now 60 years old, so if I go like 55 light years away, I look to the 02:13:54.132 --> 02:13:56.052 earth and I see the 5-year-old Ralph. 02:13:56.352 --> 02:13:58.632 So it's all at the same time. 02:13:59.532 --> 02:14:03.402 And the great thing is what I experienced myself, is to find the 02:14:03.402 --> 02:14:06.042 old, the 5-year-old Ralph again in me. 02:14:06.477 --> 02:14:10.797 To let the, let the, the young Ralph play again, like the, you know, be 02:14:10.797 --> 02:14:15.057 silly, be, you know, open and, uh, yeah. 02:14:15.057 --> 02:14:16.137 And that's a great thing. 02:14:16.137 --> 02:14:20.697 So to know that everything is there at the same time, time is nothing. 02:14:20.937 --> 02:14:21.267 Time 02:14:21.267 --> 02:14:25.737 Rupert Isaacson: is, was it, was it Einstein who said that time may 02:14:25.737 --> 02:14:30.207 just be a particularly stubborn illusion brought about by gravity? 02:14:30.387 --> 02:14:34.107 Um, yeah, I'm not sure I understand that, but that's certainly something he said. 02:14:34.617 --> 02:14:40.887 Um, but I, I suppose I could actually, because if you add weight and mass 02:14:40.887 --> 02:14:45.027 to things, you know, you've probably seen those diagrams of the idea of 02:14:45.027 --> 02:14:46.467 space and time being like a net. 02:14:46.467 --> 02:14:49.712 And you put planet like ball that sits on it, goes whoop, like that. 02:14:49.712 --> 02:14:49.992 Yeah. 02:14:50.002 --> 02:14:50.352 Right. 02:14:50.352 --> 02:14:55.857 And that warp kind of effect of like the ball on the blanket with a 02:14:55.857 --> 02:14:57.657 blanket then gets a big bulge in it. 02:14:58.467 --> 02:15:01.917 If we are sort of in the middle of that, we then might experience that 02:15:02.097 --> 02:15:05.397 heaviness, that weight as time could be. 02:15:05.397 --> 02:15:08.547 Could that be, I mean, that sounds as, as feasible as anything else to me. 02:15:08.547 --> 02:15:11.037 I don't see why that wouldn't be, particularly when you've got 02:15:11.037 --> 02:15:12.597 people like Einstein saying it. 02:15:13.137 --> 02:15:14.217 Um, okay. 02:15:14.217 --> 02:15:17.877 Take us through the next, uh, thing. 02:15:17.877 --> 02:15:21.627 But before you get there, there's actually just something I'd like to also add. 02:15:22.017 --> 02:15:25.737 When I've been with indigenous peoples frequently, their perception 02:15:25.737 --> 02:15:28.617 of time is not, uh, linear. 02:15:29.097 --> 02:15:30.297 It's often more vertical. 02:15:30.327 --> 02:15:34.107 The idea is again, that it's all these things are happening simultaneously. 02:15:35.337 --> 02:15:37.797 You own lifespan is happening simultaneously. 02:15:37.857 --> 02:15:42.177 You are, as you say, your young self, your old self, your dead self, your previous 02:15:42.177 --> 02:15:44.157 self, your next self, all of that. 02:15:44.157 --> 02:15:46.797 That's all at the same time. 02:15:47.187 --> 02:15:50.517 It's just that where your awareness is, is now. 02:15:51.147 --> 02:15:51.387 Yeah. 02:15:51.387 --> 02:15:55.017 Um, and that, of course there is only the present because no 02:15:55.017 --> 02:15:56.307 one's ever been able to see. 02:15:56.952 --> 02:15:57.552 Anything else. 02:15:57.912 --> 02:16:01.692 Um, but there are all those presence are constantly going on together. 02:16:01.692 --> 02:16:05.562 And I've had that, I've had that presented to me many, many 02:16:05.562 --> 02:16:08.532 times in indigenous settings. 02:16:08.712 --> 02:16:11.592 Um, and then watch people do really interesting things with that. 02:16:11.592 --> 02:16:12.462 Then I just say it. 02:16:12.462 --> 02:16:17.172 But then they will go into an altered set of consciousness and in front of my eyes, 02:16:17.352 --> 02:16:20.772 pull something physically outta somebody's body who's sick and they get well. 02:16:20.772 --> 02:16:24.792 Again, I, I've seen that many people who've gone and spent time 02:16:24.792 --> 02:16:27.192 in those sorts of parts of the world would have similar stories. 02:16:27.612 --> 02:16:32.202 Um, so clearly it's been put to some sort of practical use. 02:16:32.622 --> 02:16:37.692 Um, it's just within our context in our culture, we find it confusing. 02:16:38.232 --> 02:16:44.802 Tell us then again, you, okay, so there's, there's you in Persia twice. 02:16:45.072 --> 02:16:46.692 There you are in San Diego. 02:16:46.692 --> 02:16:48.492 And the lady says, oh yeah, you were in Persia. 02:16:48.942 --> 02:16:51.972 Um, what's the next one that takes you deeper? 02:16:53.547 --> 02:16:54.357 I can tell you a story. 02:16:54.357 --> 02:16:55.857 Ralf Daab: I mean, we are under us now. 02:16:55.857 --> 02:16:58.017 Now it's very confidential. 02:16:58.077 --> 02:16:58.587 Oh, no. 02:16:58.952 --> 02:16:59.242 Well, 02:16:59.242 --> 02:16:59.922 Rupert Isaacson: I've hit the course. 02:17:01.382 --> 02:17:01.602 Ralf Daab: You 02:17:01.602 --> 02:17:02.082 Rupert Isaacson: don't want it. 02:17:02.542 --> 02:17:03.162 Ralf Daab: No, no, no. 02:17:03.177 --> 02:17:06.537 It's really, I can tell the story because it's once, this story is really, when 02:17:06.537 --> 02:17:11.337 I do the reading, you know, especially woman asked me, how, how did you do that? 02:17:11.337 --> 02:17:13.377 So I had sex with myself. 02:17:13.887 --> 02:17:14.397 Ah, I 02:17:14.397 --> 02:17:15.057 Ralf Daab: explain it now. 02:17:15.057 --> 02:17:15.447 Were you good? 02:17:16.377 --> 02:17:17.337 Yes, absolutely. 02:17:17.337 --> 02:17:19.257 And then, and it was incredible what a relief 02:17:19.812 --> 02:17:20.362 Rupert Isaacson: would be. 02:17:21.102 --> 02:17:23.397 Ralf Daab: Can you imagine if you like, well, that was a bit shit. 02:17:24.837 --> 02:17:27.717 No, no, I was, um, yeah, same thing. 02:17:27.717 --> 02:17:29.142 So I was, music was good. 02:17:29.142 --> 02:17:30.747 I was feeling really good. 02:17:30.747 --> 02:17:35.157 And, uh, so I, I started touching myself, but it felt like, you know, 02:17:35.157 --> 02:17:38.037 I'm touching somebody else, like with my hands, with somebody else. 02:17:38.037 --> 02:17:40.917 And I realized, oh, you know, came up. 02:17:40.947 --> 02:17:48.027 Oh, sex is good, you know, and then I saw myself as a man, as I am as Ralph. 02:17:48.897 --> 02:17:50.817 But then I realized there's something different. 02:17:51.252 --> 02:17:53.322 So I was also the woman. 02:17:54.222 --> 02:18:00.702 I was both, I was me and the woman, and I felt both, you know, 02:18:00.702 --> 02:18:02.172 both sides, basically both feet. 02:18:02.337 --> 02:18:06.492 I, I could feel myself and when I, when I, as Ralph as a man touched 02:18:06.522 --> 02:18:10.752 the woman, the Ralph, whatever name touched, I could feel both sides. 02:18:11.622 --> 02:18:13.992 So, and then we had sex, and then we really had sex. 02:18:13.992 --> 02:18:15.402 So we had Did you enter yourself? 02:18:15.402 --> 02:18:15.642 Yes. 02:18:15.642 --> 02:18:15.643 Yes. 02:18:15.648 --> 02:18:16.122 Did you feel 02:18:16.122 --> 02:18:17.322 Rupert Isaacson: yourself being entered by you? 02:18:17.322 --> 02:18:17.622 Yes. 02:18:17.772 --> 02:18:18.222 Yes. 02:18:18.462 --> 02:18:18.942 Ralf Daab: Yes. 02:18:19.062 --> 02:18:19.332 Rupert Isaacson: Okay. 02:18:19.332 --> 02:18:22.332 So you, you as a man know what it feels like to penetrate, how did it feel 02:18:22.332 --> 02:18:25.272 to be penetrated from that feeling? 02:18:25.272 --> 02:18:26.892 Very, very, very, very good. 02:18:26.952 --> 02:18:30.432 It felt very, what can you, can you, can you be more specific? 02:18:30.432 --> 02:18:30.732 Like, 02:18:30.942 --> 02:18:33.912 Ralf Daab: I felt like, I felt it was very tender. 02:18:33.912 --> 02:18:35.322 It was like smooth. 02:18:35.322 --> 02:18:36.732 It was lovely. 02:18:36.732 --> 02:18:37.782 It was, you know, 02:18:38.262 --> 02:18:42.012 Rupert Isaacson: very, uh, what was the emotional component of 02:18:42.012 --> 02:18:44.352 having this lover inside you? 02:18:44.412 --> 02:18:45.267 It was love. 02:18:45.267 --> 02:18:48.252 Ralf Daab: It was, it was, it felt like love, you know, like 02:18:48.372 --> 02:18:50.502 everything, you know, so it felt. 02:18:51.057 --> 02:18:56.277 Felt like I, I was, I would be one once, you know, everything in both. 02:18:56.277 --> 02:19:00.327 But I, I had my, the, the feminine side and I had the masculine 02:19:00.327 --> 02:19:03.507 side, and it was incredible. 02:19:03.507 --> 02:19:07.527 So I, for me as a man afterwards, I was saying like, okay, it's good. 02:19:07.527 --> 02:19:08.547 I'm, I'm very soft. 02:19:08.547 --> 02:19:10.467 I'm tender, I'm, I'm, I'm a good man. 02:19:10.467 --> 02:19:17.667 I'm very, you know, like, um, you know, so I, I think that woman feels 02:19:17.787 --> 02:19:19.407 feel good in my, you know, with me. 02:19:19.407 --> 02:19:22.977 So, and the other side was like, oh yeah, he's a good, he's great. 02:19:22.977 --> 02:19:26.517 He's, uh, um, so it was both 02:19:26.517 --> 02:19:27.327 Rupert Isaacson: sides. 02:19:28.077 --> 02:19:30.297 And he's credible, like when I, do you think it was an exercise in 02:19:30.297 --> 02:19:32.847 self-acceptance in some metaphorical way? 02:19:32.847 --> 02:19:33.027 Yeah. 02:19:33.057 --> 02:19:33.417 Kind of. 02:19:33.417 --> 02:19:33.747 Kind of, 02:19:33.777 --> 02:19:34.167 Ralf Daab: yes. 02:19:34.317 --> 02:19:34.677 Yeah. 02:19:35.427 --> 02:19:38.427 It was funny, like, uh, when I do the readings, most women ask 02:19:38.427 --> 02:19:39.777 me, oh, how, how does it feel? 02:19:39.777 --> 02:19:42.537 And then how, how does it work to get into that feeling? 02:19:42.537 --> 02:19:45.867 Because they wanna experience the same thing, but also as a man. 02:19:45.927 --> 02:19:46.317 Sure. 02:19:46.707 --> 02:19:47.187 You know, 02:19:47.187 --> 02:19:48.207 Rupert Isaacson: everyone has that curiosity. 02:19:48.207 --> 02:19:48.627 And then for 02:19:48.627 --> 02:19:51.477 Ralf Daab: me it was like, this journey was like to, to show me 02:19:51.477 --> 02:19:57.117 that everything is also in me, the feminine side and the masculine side. 02:19:57.117 --> 02:20:02.637 And my feminine part, I would say is also, I would say, bit 02:20:02.637 --> 02:20:04.407 larger than maybe other men. 02:20:04.977 --> 02:20:08.577 So I have real good feminine side also. 02:20:09.417 --> 02:20:13.167 And that was this journey, you know, to experience, uh, 02:20:13.407 --> 02:20:16.767 the sexual part on both sides. 02:20:18.357 --> 02:20:19.107 Rupert Isaacson: So, 02:20:19.917 --> 02:20:20.367 Ralf Daab: yeah, 02:20:20.727 --> 02:20:23.187 Rupert Isaacson: it's interesting that you say that because I have a, 02:20:23.847 --> 02:20:29.187 it's not exactly a recurring dream, but it's a dream where the, there's 02:20:29.187 --> 02:20:36.057 a recognition that is recurring, um, where sometimes I meet a young 02:20:36.057 --> 02:20:39.147 woman, and this has happened to me. 02:20:40.857 --> 02:20:41.457 Oh. 02:20:43.407 --> 02:20:47.337 Many times in the, over the decades, and there's this absolute falling 02:20:47.337 --> 02:20:54.147 in love and but also a sense of, I know you, and sometimes we 02:20:54.147 --> 02:20:55.437 make love and sometimes we don't. 02:20:55.437 --> 02:21:02.277 But there's always this great joy and a feeling of homecoming and acceptance. 02:21:02.307 --> 02:21:08.487 And then when I wake up, sometimes I wake up with tears, not from loss, not 02:21:08.487 --> 02:21:12.447 because I've had to wake up and that person has gone, but sort of tears of joy. 02:21:13.737 --> 02:21:18.807 And then at a heart level, what comes through is, oh, that was your soul. 02:21:19.137 --> 02:21:19.977 You met your soul. 02:21:20.307 --> 02:21:22.557 And it's interesting to me that my soul is always feminine 02:21:23.697 --> 02:21:26.937 and occasionally it's a horse. 02:21:27.357 --> 02:21:27.447 Mm-hmm. 02:21:27.687 --> 02:21:30.927 Occasionally I meet a horse that talks, we don't make love. 02:21:31.347 --> 02:21:40.317 Um, but we do hang out and we, and we, um, the interactions we have are very sweet. 02:21:41.547 --> 02:21:43.887 Very loving. 02:21:43.887 --> 02:21:45.207 There is this feeling of 02:21:48.057 --> 02:21:55.467 a family, family or so less romantic than when I meet the young woman. 02:21:56.607 --> 02:22:00.807 But nonetheless, the same exact feeling and the same heart 02:22:00.807 --> 02:22:02.547 thought, that's your soul. 02:22:02.847 --> 02:22:04.647 And then I'm always so grateful afterwards. 02:22:04.647 --> 02:22:10.587 I always do a meditation or, or pray around gratitude and say, thank you, 02:22:10.587 --> 02:22:16.587 thank you, thank you God universe for allowing me to make contact 02:22:16.587 --> 02:22:22.047 with my soul like that because it means that I can carry that feeling 02:22:23.397 --> 02:22:27.507 around with me almost like a little happiness garden, um, inside myself. 02:22:27.597 --> 02:22:31.377 Um, and it sounds like you are describing. 02:22:32.187 --> 02:22:35.307 A very, very intense version of something like that, perhaps. 02:22:35.397 --> 02:22:35.547 Mm-hmm. 02:22:35.937 --> 02:22:39.267 Rupert Isaacson: Um, has that happened to you again since, or No. 02:22:39.297 --> 02:22:40.197 Was that a one time? 02:22:40.347 --> 02:22:41.427 That was a one time, yeah. 02:22:41.817 --> 02:22:42.117 Ralf Daab: Yeah. 02:22:42.387 --> 02:22:43.137 But it's there now. 02:22:43.137 --> 02:22:43.737 Now I know. 02:22:43.737 --> 02:22:44.427 Like, it's in me 02:22:44.427 --> 02:22:45.177 Rupert Isaacson: like, like 02:22:45.267 --> 02:22:45.597 Ralf Daab: Right. 02:22:45.597 --> 02:22:45.687 Do 02:22:45.687 --> 02:22:45.747 Rupert Isaacson: you 02:22:45.747 --> 02:22:45.927 Ralf Daab: feel 02:22:45.927 --> 02:22:47.217 Rupert Isaacson: you can access that state? 02:22:47.222 --> 02:22:47.292 Yeah. 02:22:47.787 --> 02:22:48.297 Ralf Daab: Yeah. 02:22:48.687 --> 02:22:48.987 Yeah. 02:22:49.647 --> 02:22:53.067 It's with everything, you know, the thing is like, every story is comforting. 02:22:53.067 --> 02:22:55.737 I think that that's the word I'm trying to Yeah, yeah. 02:22:55.797 --> 02:22:56.067 Right. 02:22:56.067 --> 02:22:56.277 Yeah. 02:22:57.147 --> 02:22:59.817 Every story I experience like is, it's in me. 02:22:59.817 --> 02:23:03.057 It's, it's, it's right there, you know, different situations. 02:23:03.057 --> 02:23:04.737 I can pull it up and say, oh, yeah. 02:23:05.547 --> 02:23:08.577 Um, there's another great story I tell you. 02:23:08.607 --> 02:23:09.087 Mm-hmm. 02:23:09.117 --> 02:23:09.327 Please. 02:23:09.387 --> 02:23:14.727 Um, I always had a dream for years because you were talking about a dream. 02:23:15.147 --> 02:23:18.447 Um, in real life, like, I had dream like years and years and years. 02:23:18.572 --> 02:23:22.227 I, I, you know, I was flying a lot, you know, when I lived in New York, I was 02:23:22.377 --> 02:23:24.477 like always on the, you know, plane. 02:23:24.477 --> 02:23:25.587 Like, I don't know. 02:23:26.492 --> 02:23:26.612 I. 02:23:26.832 --> 02:23:27.912 Every week almost. 02:23:27.912 --> 02:23:32.022 Um, I never had fear of flying or, you know, something, but in that 02:23:32.022 --> 02:23:37.932 dream, um, the plane crashed and, uh, in the, in the dark woods. 02:23:37.932 --> 02:23:41.442 So, you know, I survive and everybody in the plane survive. 02:23:41.442 --> 02:23:44.352 So, but I'm standing in the front of the wreck, the, the 02:23:44.352 --> 02:23:45.942 wreckage that, of the plane. 02:23:46.392 --> 02:23:51.737 And then the dream always stops there in the, in the, in darkness. 02:23:51.762 --> 02:23:52.512 And this is a dream 02:23:52.512 --> 02:23:54.857 Rupert Isaacson: outside of these MDMA journey, right? 02:23:54.862 --> 02:23:55.122 Right. 02:23:55.122 --> 02:23:55.692 Like the dream 02:23:55.692 --> 02:23:57.942 Ralf Daab: I had like, for, for years, 10 years or so. 02:23:57.942 --> 02:23:58.212 Okay. 02:23:58.212 --> 02:24:00.462 Even, even more 15 years or so. 02:24:01.302 --> 02:24:06.552 Um, so I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm standing in front of the wreckage and, and, uh, and 02:24:06.552 --> 02:24:09.162 it's dark and then the dream stops there. 02:24:09.222 --> 02:24:10.962 I wake up and the dream stops there. 02:24:11.442 --> 02:24:14.502 So on one of the journeys, the dream comes up. 02:24:15.252 --> 02:24:16.152 Same thing. 02:24:16.302 --> 02:24:21.012 I'm standing in front of the wreckage and, and now I start walking. 02:24:23.337 --> 02:24:24.597 Into the darkness. 02:24:24.657 --> 02:24:26.217 You know, it, I could see nothing. 02:24:26.217 --> 02:24:30.477 It was just black, you know, woods black, nothing could see anything. 02:24:31.137 --> 02:24:35.427 How about I keep walking and then suddenly a, a girl stands there in 02:24:35.427 --> 02:24:38.817 this white skirt, like a little, like five year, four year girl, girl. 02:24:40.107 --> 02:24:42.207 And she puts me like an amlin around my neck. 02:24:43.737 --> 02:24:48.477 And then she, she tells me that, go your path into the light. 02:24:49.137 --> 02:24:50.217 Walk into the light. 02:24:51.357 --> 02:24:53.217 So I keep walking, walking. 02:24:53.217 --> 02:24:56.277 Suddenly I see a light, you know, in the woods. 02:24:56.277 --> 02:25:02.817 So, and I get there and then, uh, and there's a huge deer like in, 02:25:02.872 --> 02:25:07.617 in the middle, standing there in the light, and he steps aside. 02:25:07.947 --> 02:25:14.157 And I go in there and I start dancing in that space where the light is. 02:25:15.267 --> 02:25:17.547 And then suddenly I, I'm, I'm on a stage. 02:25:17.892 --> 02:25:21.162 I'm in a huge stage, and then the curtains open, and then there are 02:25:21.252 --> 02:25:22.872 thousands of people applauding. 02:25:23.382 --> 02:25:27.942 And then, uh, I'm, I'm back there on stage dancing again. 02:25:28.932 --> 02:25:33.882 So what tells me that metaphor was like, yes, I was, I was broke, you 02:25:33.882 --> 02:25:38.532 know, I was like, you know, lost kind of like, and I was lost in real 02:25:38.532 --> 02:25:41.172 life, so I was lost standing there. 02:25:41.172 --> 02:25:45.402 I was not dead, but, and then I start walking and this little 02:25:45.402 --> 02:25:46.877 girl gives me like an omelet. 02:25:46.902 --> 02:25:48.672 Like say, okay, go into the light. 02:25:49.242 --> 02:25:53.022 And then I'm, I'm on stage dancing and I'm back into my life. 02:25:53.022 --> 02:25:54.012 I'm back on stage. 02:25:54.072 --> 02:25:57.162 I'm, so, it's a fantastic story for me. 02:25:57.162 --> 02:26:02.562 And ever since it's like, I don't know, two years ago, never had that dream again. 02:26:04.662 --> 02:26:08.677 'cause it's the, the, the situation is solved now, you know? 02:26:08.777 --> 02:26:09.612 You know what I mean? 02:26:09.612 --> 02:26:13.302 Like, I'm back on stage and there was an old life that 02:26:13.302 --> 02:26:14.922 Rupert Isaacson: had to end, uh, sort of. 02:26:16.352 --> 02:26:23.097 Uh, yeah, very businessy, very flying, roundy involved type life. 02:26:23.997 --> 02:26:24.147 Right. 02:26:24.147 --> 02:26:27.087 It needed to end, but when that ends, of course, yeah. 02:26:27.087 --> 02:26:29.637 One feels lost for a while. 02:26:30.627 --> 02:26:31.047 Yeah. 02:26:31.227 --> 02:26:33.417 Until one is put on the next stage. 02:26:33.417 --> 02:26:36.207 I could see, I could see the logic of that. 02:26:37.622 --> 02:26:39.087 Um, so that was really like, 02:26:39.087 --> 02:26:39.927 Ralf Daab: uh, yeah. 02:26:41.577 --> 02:26:42.567 Never had that dream again. 02:26:42.567 --> 02:26:43.587 I don't need that dream again. 02:26:43.617 --> 02:26:46.887 'cause now I'm back in state basically kind of like, okay, I'm back 02:26:48.357 --> 02:26:54.807 Rupert Isaacson: now before we come to where you are back to, which 02:26:54.807 --> 02:26:58.767 is different to where you were and perhaps an old self did have to die. 02:26:59.607 --> 02:27:03.747 Um, talk to me about death. 02:27:03.807 --> 02:27:10.947 So with these journeys, you experienced perspective, you 02:27:10.947 --> 02:27:13.347 experienced love and self-acceptance. 02:27:13.347 --> 02:27:14.427 You experienced. 02:27:15.462 --> 02:27:20.772 Uh, different fields of consciousness and vertical parallel timelines. 02:27:24.492 --> 02:27:25.032 Ralf Daab: I know what you, 02:27:25.332 --> 02:27:25.632 Rupert Isaacson: yeah. 02:27:26.262 --> 02:27:28.207 Have you experienced death and if so, yes. 02:27:28.842 --> 02:27:28.962 Yes. 02:27:29.262 --> 02:27:30.162 Tell me about that. 02:27:30.282 --> 02:27:31.362 Yes, I experienced 02:27:31.362 --> 02:27:33.642 Ralf Daab: my own death and it was wonderful. 02:27:34.722 --> 02:27:39.462 Um, some people would say, oh, scaring, or, you know, I don't 02:27:39.462 --> 02:27:43.152 want to, you know, experience that I did and it was wonderful. 02:27:43.152 --> 02:27:50.172 So the thing is, I, I was, you know, um, same thing, you know, mattress music 02:27:50.172 --> 02:27:55.392 is on and I see myself on the beach in os Gore, that's in France, like on 02:27:55.392 --> 02:28:00.012 the Atlantic Coast where we go almost every year, uh, for a long time now. 02:28:00.042 --> 02:28:02.142 Um, it's like a soul place for me. 02:28:02.142 --> 02:28:05.802 Like it's, you know, so I see myself like on the beach sitting 02:28:05.802 --> 02:28:09.702 there in the arms of a woman, but I don't see the woman behind me. 02:28:10.152 --> 02:28:11.712 But I'm sitting there and then I. 02:28:11.997 --> 02:28:13.887 The number 96 comes up. 02:28:14.037 --> 02:28:15.687 So my age, 96. 02:28:15.987 --> 02:28:17.277 I say, wow, that's fantastic. 02:28:17.277 --> 02:28:18.507 I'm 96 years old. 02:28:18.507 --> 02:28:19.557 I had a good life. 02:28:19.917 --> 02:28:22.317 I, uh, it's a lot of time. 02:28:22.467 --> 02:28:29.337 Um, so, and then I felt that my soul is leaving my body, you know, it's like going 02:28:29.337 --> 02:28:33.717 out of my body, like over the sand and the water up in the, through the cloud. 02:28:33.807 --> 02:28:38.487 There were no clouds, but, uh, up in the sky and then into space and, and it said 02:28:38.487 --> 02:28:40.647 like, I'm dying and actually a diet. 02:28:41.337 --> 02:28:45.927 And the woman behind me said, like, you know, I'm, I'm coming with you later. 02:28:45.927 --> 02:28:47.097 And, uh, I love you. 02:28:47.607 --> 02:28:48.927 That's the last thing I heard. 02:28:48.927 --> 02:28:51.867 I love you, but I couldn't see the woman, so I don't know who it is. 02:28:52.497 --> 02:28:53.157 Yeah, no. 02:28:53.157 --> 02:28:59.337 So that's, um, but it was a wonderful experience. 02:28:59.337 --> 02:29:04.377 It was, uh, very, very smooth, very uh. 02:29:05.637 --> 02:29:06.957 Not hurting, nothing. 02:29:06.957 --> 02:29:09.717 You know, it was like going in back into space. 02:29:10.622 --> 02:29:12.717 It, it just felt really, really wonderful. 02:29:13.137 --> 02:29:16.317 And then being 96, I said like, you know, if that's, this 02:29:16.317 --> 02:29:17.877 is really, I'm gonna be 96. 02:29:17.877 --> 02:29:18.867 Wow, that's great. 02:29:18.867 --> 02:29:22.587 You know, so I still have, you know, about, it was 56 at that 02:29:22.587 --> 02:29:24.357 time, so I have 40 years to go. 02:29:24.747 --> 02:29:25.707 It is fantastic. 02:29:25.707 --> 02:29:28.587 You know, so, and if I die 90, say whatever can happen to me now, that being 02:29:28.587 --> 02:29:29.067 Rupert Isaacson: 16 02:29:29.067 --> 02:29:29.397 Ralf Daab: again. 02:29:29.487 --> 02:29:29.817 Rupert Isaacson: Yeah. 02:29:30.117 --> 02:29:30.267 Ralf Daab: Yeah. 02:29:30.267 --> 02:29:31.437 That's the other story. 02:29:31.497 --> 02:29:34.827 Now that, that's the part I experience on the MDMA journey. 02:29:34.827 --> 02:29:38.337 But, so three months later we are actually in our school. 02:29:38.907 --> 02:29:40.347 I go for a walk on the beach. 02:29:40.347 --> 02:29:41.247 I have music on. 02:29:41.337 --> 02:29:41.817 That's what I do. 02:29:41.817 --> 02:29:46.497 Like once a day I going for a walk and then I stop. 02:29:46.497 --> 02:29:50.367 And at that, I'm at that point where I said, oh, here has, here is this, here's 02:29:50.367 --> 02:29:52.767 a place where I die so I could see it. 02:29:53.277 --> 02:29:54.327 And I, I got showered. 02:29:54.327 --> 02:29:56.517 It felt like boo goosebumps wall. 02:29:56.517 --> 02:29:56.577 I. 02:29:57.087 --> 02:30:00.447 I start crying, you know, say, wow, this is, here's a place. 02:30:01.347 --> 02:30:04.467 So I then did calculations, said like I was 56. 02:30:05.247 --> 02:30:09.267 Then I said, I, when I 96, it's 40 years to go. 02:30:09.537 --> 02:30:15.387 When I subtract that from 56, I'm 16 years old now, and I can start all over 02:30:15.387 --> 02:30:19.017 again with everything, with relationship, with business, with everything. 02:30:19.377 --> 02:30:22.197 And I still have 40 years to go, wow, how fantastic is that? 02:30:22.857 --> 02:30:26.757 So, and then I started crying and laughing and I was dancing on the beach 02:30:26.757 --> 02:30:29.187 and I was like, wow, this is fantastic. 02:30:29.517 --> 02:30:33.327 So that was real, you know, so that's what I said earlier with with when you 02:30:33.327 --> 02:30:37.347 have like the experience with, with the Saltan or you know, with things 02:30:37.587 --> 02:30:40.197 that happen in, in on the MDMA journey. 02:30:40.197 --> 02:30:43.527 And then you have experience like in real life you say, well, that's 02:30:43.527 --> 02:30:45.657 the same thing, you know here. 02:30:45.657 --> 02:30:49.257 The, his story continues in real life, so I. 02:30:49.962 --> 02:30:51.012 It was just fantastic. 02:30:51.012 --> 02:30:54.372 And I said like, I don't have fear of death, nothing. 02:30:54.702 --> 02:30:58.422 So what, what else, uh, can happen to me? 02:30:58.422 --> 02:31:04.512 And one thing is like, uh, a friend of mine, tma, he died in November of cancer 02:31:05.352 --> 02:31:07.932 last November, very sad age of 58. 02:31:08.172 --> 02:31:13.692 So, um, and last year I took him twice on the journey, MDMA journey. 02:31:14.562 --> 02:31:20.742 And he experienced also his death on his first journey, um, which helped 02:31:20.742 --> 02:31:26.022 him a lot to, at the end, I was in the hospice with him the last three days. 02:31:26.052 --> 02:31:29.862 And he told me the story, like how he died and he was great. 02:31:29.862 --> 02:31:34.872 He was, you know, going into the light and he had no fear, you know, and he left 02:31:34.872 --> 02:31:39.372 and with no fear and he gave me so much power and energy and it was incredible. 02:31:39.372 --> 02:31:44.982 So, for him, this MDMA journey was wonderful, you know? 02:31:45.387 --> 02:31:48.897 Going through this whole process, and then eventually he died then. 02:31:48.897 --> 02:31:50.757 But, uh, it was great. 02:31:50.757 --> 02:31:53.727 So for him and for me also, yeah. 02:31:53.727 --> 02:32:00.597 So these are things that, uh, that's why I also like, uh, going, I dunno 02:32:00.597 --> 02:32:04.647 when next week, two weeks, we're gonna do like, uh, MDA journey again. 02:32:04.647 --> 02:32:07.077 Like this is like, just experience. 02:32:07.077 --> 02:32:09.627 Like what, what's coming, you know, you can look into the 02:32:09.627 --> 02:32:13.917 future, um, or I can look into the future, or I can ask questions. 02:32:13.917 --> 02:32:15.957 So like, what is, what, what's coming next? 02:32:15.957 --> 02:32:20.247 Or ideas is something I should, uh, I should look at. 02:32:20.247 --> 02:32:24.087 Or what also happens is, um, that's what the, the psychic reading 02:32:24.087 --> 02:32:28.047 told me also, like, I should be open to, uh, to channeling. 02:32:28.557 --> 02:32:29.937 And that's happening also. 02:32:29.937 --> 02:32:34.077 Sometimes when I wake up in the morning, it's now, I, I sleep very 02:32:34.077 --> 02:32:37.407 well because one thing is also like, it helped me a lot in the last six months 02:32:37.407 --> 02:32:40.737 without the separation, the ending of the relationship and everything. 02:32:40.737 --> 02:32:40.797 I. 02:32:41.157 --> 02:32:44.727 I don't drink alcohol in it no more for six months now. 02:32:45.087 --> 02:32:48.087 And it's great, you know, I feel good. 02:32:48.087 --> 02:32:49.017 I sleep better. 02:32:49.017 --> 02:32:50.037 I, I'm clear. 02:32:50.037 --> 02:32:51.747 So it's, it's fantastic. 02:32:52.227 --> 02:32:56.307 So I wake up most of the time, early in the morning, like 5 30, 6. 02:32:56.877 --> 02:33:00.117 And then in that stage I'm, I'm just saying, okay, I'm 02:33:00.117 --> 02:33:01.797 open, just channel whatever. 02:33:01.857 --> 02:33:04.677 Like, I'm talking to the universe, they're like, oh, let, let me know 02:33:04.677 --> 02:33:06.717 what I, you know, should look at. 02:33:07.017 --> 02:33:09.267 And, uh, and I, I get messages. 02:33:09.627 --> 02:33:10.407 It's, it's amazing. 02:33:10.407 --> 02:33:10.947 Can you give us some 02:33:10.947 --> 02:33:11.487 Rupert Isaacson: examples? 02:33:12.657 --> 02:33:12.867 Ralf Daab: Yeah. 02:33:12.867 --> 02:33:16.797 It's like, um, some people come up, they say, oh, you should talk to him. 02:33:16.797 --> 02:33:22.077 Or some people like, um, like yesterday for example, was some like really like 02:33:22.077 --> 02:33:26.457 a name came up or I saw the picture actually of a person who I've seen for 02:33:26.457 --> 02:33:30.747 like years said I should talk, contact him, you know, so that kind of thing. 02:33:30.777 --> 02:33:33.387 And I sent an email yesterday. 02:33:34.407 --> 02:33:36.627 Got a response, so maybe a new project. 02:33:36.627 --> 02:33:40.557 So that's kind of things, you know, oh, let's say I should do this or that, 02:33:40.557 --> 02:33:43.467 or just some, sometimes small things. 02:33:43.467 --> 02:33:47.457 But yeah, it's kind of like, or I see get also sometimes messages 02:33:47.457 --> 02:33:52.377 for other people when I, when I, um, see oh, there's something going 02:33:52.377 --> 02:33:54.447 on, and yeah, be careful, you know? 02:33:54.507 --> 02:33:57.207 So I think it's more like, and then you tell 02:33:57.207 --> 02:33:58.797 Rupert Isaacson: that person, I saw this. 02:33:59.397 --> 02:33:59.847 Ralf Daab: Yeah, 02:33:59.847 --> 02:34:00.267 Rupert Isaacson: keep your eyes 02:34:00.267 --> 02:34:00.567 Ralf Daab: open. 02:34:01.047 --> 02:34:06.087 It's like what Psyched told me, like you are very open, you know, um, you 02:34:06.087 --> 02:34:08.367 know, a higher frequency basically. 02:34:09.117 --> 02:34:13.917 And I feel that sometimes, you know, that, um, I can get messages 02:34:13.917 --> 02:34:15.657 or feel something and, um. 02:34:16.767 --> 02:34:19.557 That's what Yeah, it's, it's, it's great. 02:34:19.557 --> 02:34:23.457 So it's nothing I'm, I'm afraid of, you know, so it's just really good. 02:34:24.057 --> 02:34:27.057 And that's why, you know, I'm continue also doing, doing like, uh, I'm 02:34:27.057 --> 02:34:31.887 starting doing Kundalini now because Kundalini yoga is also spiritual, 02:34:32.217 --> 02:34:35.637 you know, it's a connection between spirit and body and everything. 02:34:35.637 --> 02:34:37.437 It's, it is part of the spiritual journey. 02:34:38.097 --> 02:34:44.247 Um, or, uh, the go meditation I did last weekend in, in Hamburg was fantastic. 02:34:44.247 --> 02:34:45.837 Have you done go meditation? 02:34:45.837 --> 02:34:46.077 Wow. 02:34:46.077 --> 02:34:46.437 I have not, 02:34:46.857 --> 02:34:51.327 Rupert Isaacson: but I have, I have done things with singing bowls and frequencies. 02:34:51.957 --> 02:34:58.917 Um, I was recently in Grand Rapids, Michigan and um, went through a 02:34:58.917 --> 02:35:03.267 meditation with singing balls, very similar to gongs actually. 02:35:03.777 --> 02:35:08.727 And one of the things which the practitioner did as we were lying 02:35:08.727 --> 02:35:15.027 there, was with a tuning fork coming around and then putting the tuning fork. 02:35:16.302 --> 02:35:21.852 To the skin, um, at the frequency of the bowl. 02:35:22.632 --> 02:35:30.192 And I, what I found, um, extraordinary about that was that I didn't experience 02:35:30.192 --> 02:35:34.032 it as like a vibration or a buzzing or a tickling or something that you'd, 02:35:34.092 --> 02:35:36.342 you'd expect I experienced it as color. 02:35:37.212 --> 02:35:37.542 Mm-hmm. 02:35:37.782 --> 02:35:39.552 Um, and 02:35:41.892 --> 02:35:43.032 deep sense of peace. 02:35:43.032 --> 02:35:44.352 And I was actually there with my son. 02:35:44.352 --> 02:35:47.262 I was there with Rowan, uh, sc you know who's Yeah. 02:35:47.802 --> 02:35:48.072 Okay. 02:35:48.072 --> 02:35:49.062 My whole story really? 02:35:49.062 --> 02:35:49.482 Yeah. 02:35:49.482 --> 02:35:49.483 Yeah. 02:35:49.542 --> 02:35:49.962 We were there 02:35:49.962 --> 02:35:52.032 Rupert Isaacson: together and he'd been actually helping me 02:35:52.152 --> 02:35:53.742 with a, an autism training. 02:35:54.342 --> 02:35:58.452 Um, you know, he often comes on the trainings now and helps explain 02:35:58.482 --> 02:36:01.062 autism from the inside to people. 02:36:01.752 --> 02:36:04.332 Um, and to be going through that experience with him was lovely. 02:36:04.332 --> 02:36:05.322 And actually that, that. 02:36:05.727 --> 02:36:08.877 What you just said brings me sort of to the next thing, which is I think 02:36:08.907 --> 02:36:11.427 some people will be listening saying, oh, well, does that mean I have to 02:36:11.427 --> 02:36:16.287 do a psychotropic substance in order to begin to access these states? 02:36:16.287 --> 02:36:18.387 And of course the answer is no. 02:36:18.627 --> 02:36:18.807 No. 02:36:18.897 --> 02:36:25.797 Um, all of my early experiences with those ulcer state of consciousness as 02:36:25.827 --> 02:36:32.847 healing have been with, um, cultures where those plants just don't grow. 02:36:33.177 --> 02:36:36.777 So for example, in the Kalahari, in southern Africa, 02:36:37.437 --> 02:36:38.697 there are no psychotropics. 02:36:38.967 --> 02:36:45.777 So the healers dance themselves into trance, um, but then are incredibly 02:36:45.777 --> 02:36:50.067 effective whether they are healing or whether they're contacting ancestor 02:36:50.067 --> 02:36:55.287 spirits for, um, answers to a dilemma or whether they are, whether it's hunting 02:36:55.287 --> 02:36:58.377 magic, and they just need to know where the lions are so they can go the 02:36:58.377 --> 02:37:02.037 other way the next day, or, or, or, um. 02:37:03.042 --> 02:37:06.822 Of course, those who know my story know that it, it even got tied up 02:37:06.822 --> 02:37:15.162 with the human rights and political, um, uh, struggle that the son 02:37:15.162 --> 02:37:16.812 were in, that I was helping with. 02:37:17.202 --> 02:37:20.952 Where I realized that what was happening was the lawyers that we 02:37:20.952 --> 02:37:26.382 were, uh, hiring for them because they've been kicked off their land 02:37:26.742 --> 02:37:29.172 illegally to make way for diamond mines. 02:37:30.432 --> 02:37:32.232 Were going talking to the. 02:37:32.982 --> 02:37:36.042 Community who would then go and talk to their healers, who would then go into 02:37:36.042 --> 02:37:39.792 trance and go into the spirit world, come back with a series of instructions, tell 02:37:39.792 --> 02:37:42.462 that to the community, who would then tell that to the lawyers, and then that 02:37:42.462 --> 02:37:46.302 would be the strategy for the courtroom. 02:37:46.302 --> 02:37:49.992 But the lawyers had no idea that they were being directed from the spirit world. 02:37:50.352 --> 02:37:53.052 And when I realized that that was going on, I, oh my gosh, I 02:37:53.052 --> 02:37:54.162 can never tell these guys this. 02:37:54.192 --> 02:37:54.642 'cause what? 02:37:54.642 --> 02:37:55.692 It'll put them off their game. 02:37:55.962 --> 02:37:58.692 But what happened was that, you know, us with the measly, you know, a 02:37:58.692 --> 02:38:05.172 hundred thousand that we managed to, uh, raise up against DeBeers Diamonds. 02:38:06.672 --> 02:38:08.652 The Bushman won 02:38:11.502 --> 02:38:16.392 the largest land claim in African history, and then several more after 02:38:16.392 --> 02:38:21.372 that and did indeed get to go home and did indeed see the whole process 02:38:21.372 --> 02:38:25.752 through, um, no psychotropics involved. 02:38:26.382 --> 02:38:30.192 Then a few years ago, I was going through a rather difficult. 02:38:30.897 --> 02:38:31.437 Period. 02:38:31.497 --> 02:38:37.077 And I was experiencing a lot of fear and it was beginning to take over. 02:38:37.197 --> 02:38:41.517 And I was with a healer I know in the Americas who 02:38:41.517 --> 02:38:43.167 heals in the Lakota tradition. 02:38:43.317 --> 02:38:50.127 And there they do use a psychotropic, they use peyote, um, which is partly, 02:38:50.127 --> 02:38:55.047 you know, dimethyltryptamine, DMT, strongest hallucinogen known to man. 02:38:55.197 --> 02:38:57.957 And he said, Rupert, I can just see we were in a sweat lodge. 02:38:58.107 --> 02:39:00.297 And I'd done that before, sweating through. 02:39:00.297 --> 02:39:02.577 He said, I can see you need medicine, you know? 02:39:02.577 --> 02:39:04.077 And I was like, no, I do. 02:39:04.077 --> 02:39:06.927 The last thing I need right now is I'm just clinging onto 02:39:06.927 --> 02:39:08.277 my sanity by my fingernails. 02:39:08.277 --> 02:39:11.007 The last thing I need is some kind of psychotropic drug is ripper. 02:39:11.007 --> 02:39:11.967 How long have you known me? 02:39:11.967 --> 02:39:14.637 You know, do you feel I'm a professional or not? 02:39:14.937 --> 02:39:15.177 Good? 02:39:15.177 --> 02:39:15.597 Fine. 02:39:16.617 --> 02:39:19.587 You know, so he says, I'll give you, you know, the dosage 02:39:19.587 --> 02:39:20.517 I think that you should have. 02:39:20.517 --> 02:39:21.897 And what was so interesting was I. 02:39:23.097 --> 02:39:26.667 After a while, I became aware of like a little red laser that 02:39:26.667 --> 02:39:27.987 you might see in a PowerPoint. 02:39:28.377 --> 02:39:28.467 Mm-hmm. 02:39:28.707 --> 02:39:32.637 Going through my body and stopping at areas where I had stiffness and pain. 02:39:33.207 --> 02:39:33.237 Oh. 02:39:33.237 --> 02:39:33.657 And it would go b 02:39:36.207 --> 02:39:39.447 beep, and then it would move on and the pain would, at that place would be gone. 02:39:39.537 --> 02:39:43.467 And then a certain point it crossed into my brain and it 02:39:43.467 --> 02:39:45.027 started going around my brain. 02:39:45.027 --> 02:39:47.487 And everywhere it was finding fear and anxiety. 02:39:47.937 --> 02:39:48.962 It would stop and go B, 02:39:51.807 --> 02:39:53.577 you know, and it would be gone. 02:39:53.577 --> 02:39:58.257 And like it was finding, you know, cortisol scarring effectively from 02:39:58.257 --> 02:40:03.147 stress and taking that away, which we know oxytocin can do naturally, but this 02:40:03.147 --> 02:40:05.907 was happening very, very, very quickly. 02:40:05.997 --> 02:40:09.147 And I remember thinking, well, this is great, but you know, the drug's gonna 02:40:09.147 --> 02:40:10.557 wear off and then it will all come back. 02:40:11.007 --> 02:40:11.697 But it never did. 02:40:12.087 --> 02:40:16.287 The healing was real and lasting. 02:40:16.887 --> 02:40:21.297 But the reason I'm telling that story and then the stories from. 02:40:21.837 --> 02:40:30.627 Previously when no medicine was involved is, I think, speaking to your point 02:40:30.627 --> 02:40:37.347 where you've now been four years letting, let's say the plant medicine because 02:40:37.617 --> 02:40:45.537 MDMA is effectively a plant derivative or, or, uh, you know, synthesize drugs 02:40:45.537 --> 02:40:47.397 are effectively plant derivatives. 02:40:47.847 --> 02:40:53.757 And now you're finding, oh, actually I no longer need that to access. 02:40:54.297 --> 02:40:54.537 Right. 02:40:54.567 --> 02:40:58.497 The, and you know, and even though it doesn't mean I'm gonna reject it, I 02:40:58.497 --> 02:41:02.097 will still continue to do those things, but I know it, it's done its job 02:41:02.097 --> 02:41:06.297 for having provided me the, the, the way through the window, if you like. 02:41:06.297 --> 02:41:07.317 Would you say that that's 02:41:07.467 --> 02:41:07.887 Ralf Daab: true? 02:41:08.127 --> 02:41:08.817 Yeah, exactly. 02:41:08.817 --> 02:41:09.207 Exactly. 02:41:09.207 --> 02:41:10.047 It goes faster. 02:41:10.047 --> 02:41:12.687 I mean, there are different ways to, and everybody can find, they should 02:41:12.687 --> 02:41:15.357 find their own own way to, to get there. 02:41:15.747 --> 02:41:18.892 Um, it's just a little faster, I would say, you know, it's. 02:41:21.597 --> 02:41:24.567 You can do it like one day, basically a journey. 02:41:24.567 --> 02:41:26.997 And when you do other things, you have to train it, you have to 02:41:27.027 --> 02:41:28.347 like, yeah, really get into it. 02:41:28.347 --> 02:41:33.627 It can take hours or like weeks, decades or decades, you know, you could get 02:41:33.627 --> 02:41:35.277 there, but it takes a long, longer time. 02:41:35.577 --> 02:41:39.597 So with, with MA or maybe other things like, uh, mushrooms. 02:41:39.597 --> 02:41:42.747 And so it, it gets faster because, you know, there's nothing you can do. 02:41:42.837 --> 02:41:46.137 You just, it's gonna act on the way it's gonna happen that way. 02:41:46.197 --> 02:41:46.797 Yeah, right. 02:41:47.097 --> 02:41:54.837 So, um, it's basically, you know, just to bring the body to, to 02:41:54.837 --> 02:41:59.517 produce more dopamine, you know, or certainly, you know, so, but yeah. 02:41:59.607 --> 02:42:03.687 But a lot of people are afraid or they're like, um, don't want to take 02:42:03.687 --> 02:42:07.737 drugs, you know, of course, you know, maybe, uh, self-control, whatever. 02:42:08.067 --> 02:42:11.157 And they always say like, you know, drugs, what is drugs? 02:42:11.157 --> 02:42:17.487 You know, like medicine is, it's all drugs and it's as a therapy, it, it helps. 02:42:17.487 --> 02:42:19.257 I mean, like, it's, it's proven, you know? 02:42:19.257 --> 02:42:20.367 So, um. 02:42:21.162 --> 02:42:22.422 Post-traumatic traumas. 02:42:22.512 --> 02:42:25.782 You know, in other countries like Australia, it's legal now they, they 02:42:25.782 --> 02:42:27.912 do it and, uh, they're working on it. 02:42:27.912 --> 02:42:30.492 I think also in the u in US and even in Europe. 02:42:30.942 --> 02:42:35.862 So it takes some years, but then it will be, for therapy, it will be legalized. 02:42:36.612 --> 02:42:37.692 MDMA, right? 02:42:37.692 --> 02:42:38.232 MDMA. 02:42:38.237 --> 02:42:38.307 Yeah. 02:42:38.547 --> 02:42:38.827 MDA. 02:42:39.102 --> 02:42:40.002 And of course it used to be. 02:42:40.062 --> 02:42:41.232 Used to be, used to be. 02:42:41.592 --> 02:42:44.082 So, um, yeah. 02:42:44.112 --> 02:42:47.142 But there are different ways and everybody can find their, their own way. 02:42:47.142 --> 02:42:49.242 And it should be, it is no dogma. 02:42:49.242 --> 02:42:52.422 It's no dogma to say you have to do this to get there, you know, so. 02:42:52.422 --> 02:42:52.812 Right. 02:42:53.322 --> 02:42:56.322 Rupert Isaacson: Um, it, it's also interesting that you talk about Kundalini, 02:42:56.322 --> 02:43:01.422 because the Bushman have a, a similar idea, you know, Kundalini's supposed to 02:43:01.422 --> 02:43:02.892 reside at the base of your spine, right? 02:43:02.892 --> 02:43:02.982 Mm-hmm. 02:43:02.982 --> 02:43:08.172 And it's a life force, a sexual energy that you can, um, begin to manipulate 02:43:08.802 --> 02:43:12.822 the Bushman colic mum and forward slash. 02:43:14.052 --> 02:43:19.122 Um, the forward slash is that click that, and mum is one of those, 02:43:19.152 --> 02:43:24.972 uh, untranslatable words, which it can mean power, this type of life 02:43:24.972 --> 02:43:27.792 force wisdom can mean many things. 02:43:28.752 --> 02:43:33.402 Um, but they, what they do is they over years of training, learn how 02:43:33.402 --> 02:43:38.892 to boil the, in their stomach, bring it into their stomach and boil it. 02:43:39.672 --> 02:43:43.242 And the dance does this, and you'll see them get incredibly hot. 02:43:44.112 --> 02:43:44.172 Wow. 02:43:44.172 --> 02:43:47.682 And if you touch them, they're incredibly hot, but they'll even, they'll try 02:43:47.682 --> 02:43:49.602 to cool themselves in the fire. 02:43:50.052 --> 02:43:52.182 So they'll actually take swallow coals. 02:43:52.182 --> 02:43:53.292 I've seen that many times. 02:43:53.292 --> 02:43:56.112 Or lay in the fire, come up, unburned. 02:43:56.352 --> 02:43:56.562 Very good. 02:43:56.652 --> 02:44:01.632 Um, and then when the womb is boiling, which is very painful in the 02:44:01.662 --> 02:44:04.872 early stages, when they're younger healers, they'll often faint or. 02:44:05.262 --> 02:44:07.902 Sometimes they would say die and have to be brought back. 02:44:08.142 --> 02:44:10.782 But as they get older, they learn how to ride it. 02:44:10.962 --> 02:44:15.162 And then this is when they can not just be in the spirit world and do 02:44:15.162 --> 02:44:17.592 what they need to do, but they can pull things out of people or put 02:44:17.592 --> 02:44:19.422 things into people that are needed. 02:44:20.052 --> 02:44:25.272 So it's clear that these things are as old as humanity because 02:44:25.272 --> 02:44:29.772 the San are, the bushman are the oldest known culture on the planet. 02:44:30.312 --> 02:44:35.322 And so the quest for the altered state of consciousness seems to be built 02:44:35.322 --> 02:44:42.102 into our DNA, um, that to play with consciousness, which is why I think in 02:44:42.132 --> 02:44:46.062 the past we've made, had the arrogance as humans to think we are the only ones 02:44:46.062 --> 02:44:49.482 with consciousness, which now I think we're realizing clearly isn't true. 02:44:49.902 --> 02:44:52.632 But because we're conscious of our consciousness in a certain way, 02:44:52.632 --> 02:44:57.072 if you like, we're self-conscious, we have a great desire to. 02:44:58.872 --> 02:45:02.802 Communicate with it, I think, and through it, and use it as medicine 02:45:02.802 --> 02:45:04.722 and answer dilemmas through it. 02:45:04.812 --> 02:45:11.622 And I, uh, as you say, whichever way you do it, um, there is no 02:45:11.622 --> 02:45:15.012 one way but to be on that path. 02:45:15.762 --> 02:45:18.072 Seems to be important for human happiness. 02:45:18.072 --> 02:45:18.132 Yeah. 02:45:18.132 --> 02:45:18.462 Would you not 02:45:18.702 --> 02:45:19.062 Ralf Daab: agree? 02:45:19.092 --> 02:45:19.962 Yeah, absolutely. 02:45:19.962 --> 02:45:20.352 Yes. 02:45:20.442 --> 02:45:24.822 You on certain, like one path to your own path, and then be curious, you know, 02:45:24.822 --> 02:45:28.597 like go there and there, try things out, you know, like what I did like, 02:45:29.022 --> 02:45:32.562 uh, following like some people like a podcast and then say, okay, that's good. 02:45:32.562 --> 02:45:37.062 I, I, you know, now I follow somebody else or read other books or do 02:45:37.062 --> 02:45:41.442 a seminar on, uh, meditation or the gong meditation, for example. 02:45:41.502 --> 02:45:44.832 Just try things out, you know, and then you feel like when your body, or when 02:45:44.832 --> 02:45:48.882 your consciousness, or when your spirit like reacts and what, what's best for you. 02:45:49.242 --> 02:45:53.262 So, and like being on a path that's the most beautiful thing. 02:45:53.262 --> 02:45:57.342 It is like, and uh, to, to, to experience new things. 02:45:57.342 --> 02:45:58.392 To meet new people. 02:45:58.392 --> 02:46:01.572 And it is, it is kind of like you, you meet other people, you meet 02:46:01.632 --> 02:46:03.522 people who are also on their path. 02:46:03.552 --> 02:46:06.702 You know, you, you connect very fast. 02:46:06.702 --> 02:46:13.452 And, uh, um, and that's, that's the great thing about, uh, you know, being on the. 02:46:13.902 --> 02:46:14.532 On the journey. 02:46:14.532 --> 02:46:15.162 On the path. 02:46:15.162 --> 02:46:19.542 And, uh, but as I said in the beginning is you have to let things go, you know? 02:46:19.632 --> 02:46:23.322 Um, that's the other part I I seeing or meeting a lot of people. 02:46:23.322 --> 02:46:24.312 They do a lot of things. 02:46:24.317 --> 02:46:29.772 They, they, they go every, every day or three, four days a week, they go 02:46:29.772 --> 02:46:33.732 to yoga and they do a lot things, but they still in the same environment. 02:46:33.732 --> 02:46:34.962 There's still same jobs. 02:46:34.992 --> 02:46:38.232 They're stressed, you know, they, they, they, you know, of course it's difficult 02:46:38.232 --> 02:46:42.762 to leave everything, but, um, kind of like you have to like, kind of, you know, let 02:46:42.762 --> 02:46:46.302 things go in order to receive new things. 02:46:46.512 --> 02:46:48.612 You have to make room for new things. 02:46:48.882 --> 02:46:51.522 Rupert Isaacson: It seems though that that process is almost built in. 02:46:51.732 --> 02:46:57.072 Um, and I think a lot of people find this rather alarmingly, you know, when 02:46:57.072 --> 02:47:05.052 they first get involved in this type of way of life, things can fall apart 02:47:05.052 --> 02:47:09.762 very fast and that can be very traumatic at first, even though they may, they 02:47:09.762 --> 02:47:12.132 are things that actually you look. 02:47:12.687 --> 02:47:14.907 Back over a couple of years and you go, oh yeah, actually 02:47:14.907 --> 02:47:16.167 I needed to let all that go. 02:47:16.737 --> 02:47:21.447 Um, and I probably would've just clung onto it forever if it hadn't, if I 02:47:21.447 --> 02:47:25.017 hadn't been literally picked up by a pair of forceps and placed over there. 02:47:25.467 --> 02:47:29.697 Um, however painful that was, and I'd say it seems that you've gone through 02:47:29.697 --> 02:47:33.927 something like this rather recently, because when I first met you, um, 02:47:34.617 --> 02:47:38.037 you were, you know, living in vs. 02:47:38.037 --> 02:47:38.817 Barden, which is 02:47:40.887 --> 02:47:49.287 a nice town, it's a wealthy town, um, nice apartment, um, still very much in 02:47:49.287 --> 02:47:51.657 the publishing life, et cetera, et cetera. 02:47:53.547 --> 02:48:02.247 Then you went through something of disruption, um, about six months ago. 02:48:02.787 --> 02:48:08.067 Um, and I remember and, and now you're living in this, in 02:48:08.067 --> 02:48:09.182 an apartment in this castle. 02:48:10.482 --> 02:48:15.762 Rather, rather romantic, um, in a very, very beautiful part of the countryside in 02:48:15.912 --> 02:48:20.022 Germany that I know where you are and I know how beautiful the nature is there. 02:48:20.202 --> 02:48:24.372 And it's interesting you've been sending me these, uh, pictures 02:48:24.372 --> 02:48:27.792 on WhatsApp of, of the nature, and I'm like, ah, he's found it. 02:48:28.002 --> 02:48:31.692 'cause one of the things which I was noticing through your story, um, and 02:48:31.692 --> 02:48:38.232 they, you know, when, whether it was you, uh, working for Chen or you as the, uh, 02:48:38.502 --> 02:48:44.712 Persian person showing people beauty, the, this is all about human beauty and things 02:48:44.712 --> 02:48:51.882 that were made by humans and you know, Chen also fashion and models and that 02:48:51.882 --> 02:48:54.402 kind of physical human beauty and as well. 02:48:54.762 --> 02:48:59.082 But what I feel is often missing from all of that is nature. 02:48:59.952 --> 02:49:02.502 Um, and of course the greatest beauty, of course, is always nature. 02:49:02.502 --> 02:49:06.372 And that's why we, we react and respond to beauty in the way that we do because 02:49:06.372 --> 02:49:10.572 nature is beautiful and nature is what we're supposed to be surrounded by. 02:49:10.572 --> 02:49:12.582 And people actually, people are very beautiful. 02:49:12.732 --> 02:49:14.562 Um, inside from doubt. 02:49:14.562 --> 02:49:15.942 We're a very loving species. 02:49:15.942 --> 02:49:16.242 Right. 02:49:16.242 --> 02:49:19.812 You know, it's, it, so it's interesting to me that finally, 02:49:19.902 --> 02:49:24.347 you know, in the last six months, there you are in nature by another. 02:49:24.347 --> 02:49:24.587 Mm-hmm. 02:49:24.667 --> 02:49:24.947 Mm-hmm. 02:49:25.027 --> 02:49:29.562 You know, you, those of you who are watching this on YouTube, you, it looks 02:49:29.562 --> 02:49:32.772 like, well obviously we're, we're, we're talking across by Zoom in Ralph's 02:49:32.772 --> 02:49:37.872 apartment within that castle, but I know what's outside that window and I know 02:49:37.872 --> 02:49:40.692 that you're out in that nature now and you've really simplified, you've sort of 02:49:40.992 --> 02:49:46.722 gone from, you know, home ownership and real estate and all of that stuff now 02:49:46.722 --> 02:49:51.222 to saying, no, no, I'm gonna minimalize and I'm just gonna have this small 02:49:51.222 --> 02:49:54.732 apartment to spend most of my time in nature while still working as a publisher. 02:49:55.167 --> 02:49:55.647 Ralf Daab: Right. 02:49:55.767 --> 02:49:57.507 Rupert Isaacson: You know, it's interesting to me, 02:49:57.807 --> 02:50:00.327 Ralf Daab: and one thing is also like, uh, talking about, you know, when I 02:50:00.327 --> 02:50:04.167 said the, the, the, the salt in the Persia, you know, show the beauty. 02:50:04.497 --> 02:50:10.827 Uh, what I realize now, it's not only it was back then or still is sometimes of 02:50:10.827 --> 02:50:15.297 course with the books to show the beauty outside, but it's also like, my purpose 02:50:15.297 --> 02:50:17.067 is also to show the beauty in people. 02:50:17.072 --> 02:50:17.332 Mm-hmm. 02:50:17.337 --> 02:50:22.767 To help people to go on their path to, to develop or show their own beauty. 02:50:23.277 --> 02:50:27.237 And that's also, you know, one thing I'm gonna do in the future to help 02:50:27.237 --> 02:50:35.457 people, uh, to show their own beauty because every person is beautiful. 02:50:35.847 --> 02:50:37.617 So, and then how. 02:50:39.207 --> 02:50:44.307 Well, but, um, yeah, with seminars, with, uh, you know, I did like, uh, coaching, 02:50:44.367 --> 02:50:48.177 um, um, as a neuroscience coaching. 02:50:48.177 --> 02:50:51.687 I have like a certificate, whatever you call it, you know, and then I did, 02:50:51.687 --> 02:50:56.127 uh, meditation, spiritual, and I'm doing a kundalini, uh, practicing. 02:50:56.427 --> 02:50:59.307 So things like put it together, but also my. 02:51:00.492 --> 02:51:03.822 Strength is what I can do really good is like bring people together. 02:51:04.122 --> 02:51:04.362 Mm-hmm. 02:51:04.422 --> 02:51:08.477 So, you know, the funny thing is, like a year ago I was still in Spartan, 02:51:08.557 --> 02:51:13.122 I was in rgo, which is beautiful, you know, the wine area with wines. 02:51:13.122 --> 02:51:16.272 And so, and I was standing there and said like, ah, well this is beautiful. 02:51:16.272 --> 02:51:18.522 This is beautiful and, and good energy for me. 02:51:18.522 --> 02:51:22.722 And it's like I would live in a place like here, like where you can live, 02:51:22.782 --> 02:51:25.812 but also where you can do seminars, you know, like a house or so. 02:51:26.562 --> 02:51:31.512 And now I'm no longer at Beach Spot, but I'm here now and I have, I found a place. 02:51:31.782 --> 02:51:32.682 It's incredible. 02:51:32.802 --> 02:51:34.452 Rupert Isaacson: Can you, can you do seminars now 02:51:34.452 --> 02:51:34.872 Ralf Daab: in Yes. 02:51:35.772 --> 02:51:39.552 This, here they're, they event place, they're weddings are here, 02:51:39.792 --> 02:51:43.932 seminars here, there's a big space terrace outside Nature. 02:51:44.022 --> 02:51:45.822 It is a perfect place for seminars. 02:51:46.692 --> 02:51:50.172 So we can, we start doing like in, in four weeks, we have a seminar here I'm 02:51:50.172 --> 02:51:52.062 organizing, so I bring people here. 02:51:52.122 --> 02:51:55.092 That's, you know, uh, organized things, festivals. 02:51:55.092 --> 02:51:58.182 I wanted to do a festival here, music festival overlooking 02:51:58.182 --> 02:51:59.292 here, the Rhine Valley. 02:51:59.292 --> 02:52:00.612 It's, it's just incredible. 02:52:00.912 --> 02:52:06.607 So can you imagine like a year before, like last year or, 02:52:06.627 --> 02:52:07.812 or it was more than a year. 02:52:07.812 --> 02:52:12.972 I mean, last year was, and I had this vision and now I'm here and I 02:52:12.972 --> 02:52:15.732 can do it, and it's, it's happening. 02:52:16.392 --> 02:52:21.402 So it's not, you know, I had to, had to leave things in v spot and, 02:52:21.402 --> 02:52:24.282 you know, also the relationship. 02:52:24.282 --> 02:52:29.742 But now everything can come and can, you know, organize. 02:52:30.792 --> 02:52:33.102 I'm not looking for a relationship now, but never know. 02:52:33.102 --> 02:52:34.782 But everything is can happen now. 02:52:34.812 --> 02:52:35.232 So. 02:52:36.672 --> 02:52:37.062 And you're still 02:52:37.062 --> 02:52:37.542 Rupert Isaacson: publishing? 02:52:38.112 --> 02:52:38.502 Ralf Daab: Yeah. 02:52:39.012 --> 02:52:39.372 Yeah. 02:52:39.882 --> 02:52:41.472 Rupert Isaacson: So listen, if people want to read your 02:52:41.472 --> 02:52:43.602 book, um, there you are again. 02:52:44.352 --> 02:52:44.952 Um, yeah. 02:52:45.012 --> 02:52:45.732 How do they find it? 02:52:46.377 --> 02:52:48.237 Ralf Daab: Well, there's a, there's a website. 02:52:48.237 --> 02:52:50.397 It's called um, books.buy. 02:52:50.397 --> 02:52:52.228 It's a print on demand website. 02:52:52.233 --> 02:52:52.402 Mm-hmm. 02:52:52.487 --> 02:52:52.827 Website. 02:52:52.827 --> 02:52:56.817 It's actually based, the company's based in Australia, but it's all over the world. 02:52:56.817 --> 02:52:59.877 And they can place order, uh, print on demand. 02:52:59.877 --> 02:53:02.667 So it's free shipping worldwide. 02:53:03.477 --> 02:53:07.047 Um, you can place the order, you can order the book and they find a 02:53:07.047 --> 02:53:09.087 printer near you, like someplace. 02:53:09.267 --> 02:53:13.227 Let's say when you order here, maybe in Germany or France, and they ship it to 02:53:13.227 --> 02:53:15.537 you free, free shipping, free of charge. 02:53:16.317 --> 02:53:17.307 It's, I think it's 20. 02:53:17.307 --> 02:53:17.727 And that's in 02:53:17.727 --> 02:53:18.357 Rupert Isaacson: English, obviously. 02:53:18.357 --> 02:53:18.642 That's the English. 02:53:18.642 --> 02:53:19.084 Yeah, of course in English. 02:53:20.367 --> 02:53:21.327 There you are again. 02:53:21.327 --> 02:53:22.167 English book, that book. 02:53:22.167 --> 02:53:22.677 Stop by. 02:53:22.677 --> 02:53:24.747 So people go to book, book start by slash 02:53:25.122 --> 02:53:26.277 Ralf Daab: HHOL. 02:53:26.487 --> 02:53:29.907 You can put it maybe slash HOL living. 02:53:29.907 --> 02:53:30.477 HOL. 02:53:30.477 --> 02:53:30.807 Yeah. 02:53:33.327 --> 02:53:33.747 Rupert Isaacson: Great. 02:53:34.617 --> 02:53:36.447 And then they would look for, there you are again. 02:53:37.137 --> 02:53:37.497 Ralf Daab: Right. 02:53:37.497 --> 02:53:38.337 It's on there. 02:53:38.337 --> 02:53:38.997 You can. 02:53:39.372 --> 02:53:42.342 They can buy it, they free shipping and then they can read. 02:53:42.732 --> 02:53:43.212 So yeah. 02:53:43.212 --> 02:53:43.302 And 02:53:43.302 --> 02:53:46.422 Rupert Isaacson: if people want to reach, reach out to you and want to be, 02:53:46.842 --> 02:53:49.317 you know, well, they, they could send email questions about their own healing 02:53:49.317 --> 02:53:52.812 or wanna be part of your seminars or come visit Yeah, they could contact 02:53:52.812 --> 02:53:53.112 Ralf Daab: me. 02:53:53.322 --> 02:53:53.742 Yeah. 02:53:53.742 --> 02:53:54.882 How do they contact you? 02:53:55.362 --> 02:54:00.162 Well, there's, uh, by email's best like ralph@highonliving.com. 02:54:00.492 --> 02:54:05.202 Rupert Isaacson: So R-A-L-P-H Ralph, no FF with an F right in the German way. 02:54:05.232 --> 02:54:07.332 RALF at 02:54:07.842 --> 02:54:08.382 Ralf Daab: Hi. 02:54:08.562 --> 02:54:08.922 Hi. 02:54:08.922 --> 02:54:10.452 On living.com. 02:54:10.482 --> 02:54:11.292 High on 02:54:11.352 --> 02:54:14.142 Rupert Isaacson: living.com. 02:54:14.292 --> 02:54:15.252 Ralph, with an F. 02:54:15.792 --> 02:54:16.092 Ralf Daab: Yeah. 02:54:16.242 --> 02:54:17.832 Rupert Isaacson: High on living.com, 02:54:18.222 --> 02:54:18.492 right? 02:54:18.492 --> 02:54:18.612 Yeah. 02:54:18.612 --> 02:54:20.742 Reach, reach out to Ralph listeners. 02:54:20.742 --> 02:54:21.822 He's, he's, yeah, please do. 02:54:22.212 --> 02:54:22.452 Ralf Daab: Yeah. 02:54:22.602 --> 02:54:23.322 Uh, yeah. 02:54:23.382 --> 02:54:27.132 And come up here like, if you visit, uh, Germany or near 02:54:27.132 --> 02:54:28.662 Cologne, you cannot up be here. 02:54:28.812 --> 02:54:28.962 Yeah. 02:54:28.962 --> 02:54:29.742 Hiking. 02:54:29.802 --> 02:54:31.152 It's, it's a beautiful place. 02:54:31.362 --> 02:54:34.632 Rupert Isaacson: Well, I'm gonna, I'm gonna run up the, uh, a three. 02:54:35.022 --> 02:54:35.032 Yeah. 02:54:35.657 --> 02:54:36.387 Come, come here. 02:54:36.397 --> 02:54:36.747 Right. 02:54:37.002 --> 02:54:37.782 Take exit bat. 02:54:38.592 --> 02:54:39.552 Ralf Daab: Bat exit. 02:54:39.552 --> 02:54:39.792 Lin. 02:54:40.152 --> 02:54:40.902 You're right here. 02:54:40.962 --> 02:54:41.442 So bad Ho. 02:54:41.742 --> 02:54:43.032 Rupert Isaacson: Yeah, I know exactly where that is. 02:54:43.032 --> 02:54:45.222 We help someone buy a horse from Bad Ho. 02:54:45.492 --> 02:54:46.753 Uh, yeah, it's right here. 02:54:46.758 --> 02:54:47.187 Great horse. 02:54:47.772 --> 02:54:48.947 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 02:54:49.512 --> 02:54:49.992 Ralf Daab: They're up here. 02:54:49.992 --> 02:54:54.342 They're 50 horses up here, so see them in the morning when they come out the stalls 02:54:54.342 --> 02:54:57.132 and like run and run and, and I, yeah. 02:54:57.492 --> 02:54:59.112 Well, maybe we'll do something with 02:54:59.112 --> 02:55:00.012 Rupert Isaacson: horses together then. 02:55:00.017 --> 02:55:00.267 Yeah. 02:55:00.272 --> 02:55:00.522 Yeah. 02:55:00.522 --> 02:55:01.062 It should come. 02:55:01.062 --> 02:55:02.352 That's, it's really wonderful. 02:55:02.357 --> 02:55:02.627 Okay. 02:55:04.632 --> 02:55:06.402 All right, Rael, thank you so much. 02:55:06.492 --> 02:55:07.812 Well, thank you, Rupert. 02:55:08.262 --> 02:55:10.482 It's been a, been a, yeah. 02:55:10.482 --> 02:55:11.052 Wonderful journey. 02:55:11.292 --> 02:55:11.772 Ralf Daab: Yeah. 02:55:11.802 --> 02:55:12.642 Great, great. 02:55:14.142 --> 02:55:14.442 Rupert Isaacson: Yeah. 02:55:14.442 --> 02:55:21.192 So any last words of wisdom before I click off the record? 02:55:21.192 --> 02:55:22.182 Ralf Daab: Last word of wisdom. 02:55:22.812 --> 02:55:25.242 Well, I would say it's all energy. 02:55:25.242 --> 02:55:26.142 It's Albert Einstein. 02:55:26.352 --> 02:55:27.552 It is all energy. 02:55:27.552 --> 02:55:29.682 And that's what I feel now. 02:55:29.682 --> 02:55:29.742 I. 02:55:30.342 --> 02:55:32.562 Going through all these journeys for the last four years is 02:55:32.562 --> 02:55:33.912 basically even with my plan. 02:55:34.302 --> 02:55:39.822 My plan, when you see it here, it was like this tall, basically in, in this button. 02:55:39.822 --> 02:55:41.652 It didn't grow, but it didn't die. 02:55:41.652 --> 02:55:43.602 But here it's growing like fast. 02:55:43.602 --> 02:55:47.022 I went a beautiful, so I know I'm at the right place because 02:55:47.172 --> 02:55:49.242 plant is feeling good, you know? 02:55:49.752 --> 02:55:50.772 Rupert Isaacson: So it's all energy. 02:55:51.132 --> 02:55:51.342 Ralf Daab: Yeah, it's 02:55:51.342 --> 02:55:52.182 Rupert Isaacson: all energy. 02:55:54.042 --> 02:55:54.432 That's right. 02:55:54.432 --> 02:55:58.062 As Nicola Tesla said, also, I think, um, if you want to know the secrets of 02:55:58.062 --> 02:56:03.072 the universe, you have to think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration. 02:56:03.372 --> 02:56:04.182 Yeah, exactly. 02:56:04.182 --> 02:56:08.772 And it seems that, well, I guess every electronic device we use goes back to him. 02:56:08.772 --> 02:56:09.342 So Yeah. 02:56:10.632 --> 02:56:13.872 Clearly these guys had, you know, yeah. 02:56:15.222 --> 02:56:15.792 Had something. 02:56:16.722 --> 02:56:17.922 All right, well, all right. 02:56:17.982 --> 02:56:22.272 Parallel universes, um, vertical timelines. 02:56:23.667 --> 02:56:26.877 Medicines to help us radically shift our viewpoints. 02:56:27.057 --> 02:56:30.837 By the way, that, that's something I, I, I wanted just to throw in there. 02:56:31.257 --> 02:56:36.777 I was looking at the neuroscience of, um, of, uh, psychotropics and 02:56:36.777 --> 02:56:44.127 it does seem that what happens with people is massively, massively, um, 02:56:44.187 --> 02:56:50.577 augmented, uh, neuron new neural pathway development when these happen. 02:56:50.607 --> 02:56:53.787 'cause of course it's also new, similar to what you get with novel movement, 02:56:53.787 --> 02:56:57.867 novel ways of moving, BDNF, brain derived neurotrophic factor, which 02:56:58.077 --> 02:56:59.757 normally you only get through movement. 02:57:00.297 --> 02:57:05.997 Um, it seems that this can be massively boosted with the use of psychotropics. 02:57:05.997 --> 02:57:07.947 And I guess our ancestors must have known this. 02:57:08.212 --> 02:57:09.142 Yeah, of course. 02:57:09.242 --> 02:57:10.467 Um, yeah. 02:57:10.467 --> 02:57:13.022 Maybe that's that thing of allowing us to see mm-hmm. 02:57:13.377 --> 02:57:14.757 What we can't normally see. 02:57:15.627 --> 02:57:17.307 So there you are again. 02:57:17.907 --> 02:57:18.148 There you go. 02:57:18.202 --> 02:57:18.957 Buy it from books. 02:57:18.957 --> 02:57:21.807 Stop by slash HOL. 02:57:22.512 --> 02:57:27.372 Give Ralph an email at rlf@highonliving.com. 02:57:28.032 --> 02:57:30.492 Yeah, I guess we'll see you on the next looking forward. 02:57:30.492 --> 02:57:30.942 Ralf Daab: Yeah. 02:57:32.532 --> 02:57:32.862 Yeah. 02:57:32.892 --> 02:57:34.032 See you soon. 02:57:34.062 --> 02:57:35.082 Thank you for coming on. 02:57:35.382 --> 02:57:36.252 Thank you for having me.