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You're listening to The Bible Guys,
a podcast where a couple of friends talk

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about the Bible in fun, in
practical ways. Hey, everybody, welcome

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That's a buddy, that's right.

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So today we're going to start off
with a segment that is absolutely hilarious.

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Jeff and I both discovered that this
segment was what it was just about sixty

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seconds ago, so ready we hit
record. I was like, oh no,

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okay, So here's the segment we
were both read at the same time.

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What made Jeff mad this week?
This is hilarious. Yeah. So

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Desiree wrote down a little qualifying paragraph
and said, it's time to give Chris

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a break. First of all,
thank you, Desiree. It's time to

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give Chris a break. And then
she says, and this is very astute,

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she said the last several times that
Chris was mad about something. Jeff

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agreed with his feelings about the situation. So this week we're going to ask

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what made Jeff mad and see if
Chris agrees with him or not. Okay,

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So, usually whenever you're talking about
being mad about something, you are

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angry for the rest of us vicariously, yes, angry or mad. I'm

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just on our behalf. I'm mad
that it exists, that's right. So

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I'm going to take a different angle
for this. And this is really,

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I think more where a lot of
my frustration comes from. Not entirely dumb

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people make me mad too, so
sure, sure, sure beyond that.

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So I'll tell you two stories and
they both happen at the same time,

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and then I'll tell you what makes
me mad about it. So I just

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was in Gabon, Africa, and
we were working on meeting with a bunch

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of pastors, and we had three
meetings with about three hundred pastors talking about

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starting a church planting movement with the
Timothy Initiative and making disciple makers. And

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so these three meetings were ten hours
apart driving, So we drove twenty eight

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hours in three daysis right. It
was insane. It was just crazy.

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So we had a driver. I'm
too dumb to know where Gabon, Africa.

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Gabon is south of Cameroon. The
Congo have on go Okay, Okay,

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so yeah, yeah, So if
you make the big turn on West

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Africa and then start going south,
it's on that western coast right by the

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Congo Okay, about halfway down yep. So it's Central Africa, is what

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it means. So anyways, mountains
jungle. Our driver is just going as

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fast as he can go on jungle
roads in the mountains and in Gabon,

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if a car wrecks, they just
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So no less than fifty destroyed fall
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burned out cars on the side of
the road. And this guy, I

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had my translator app up and he
was complaining to the other guy in French.

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He was complaining saying that this car
maxes out at one hundred and sixty

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kilometers per hour, which was is
ninety nine point seven miles an hour.

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And I'm telling you, this guy, we squealed our tires going around corners

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on these mountain jungle mountain roads fifty
times one hundred times ten hours at a

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time, just white knuckling it,
freaking out, and so I keep trying

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to say something, but I'm saying
things like, wow, you know there's

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no checkered flag at the end of
this ten hour drive. Hey, you're

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not getting the trophy by driving fast. And he would just laugh, and

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I would say, you're really going
fast, and he would just laugh and

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stick his foot to the floor.
Go faster. We come flying around the

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corner of jungle and all of a
sudden there's a sign there. It's an

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elephant crossing sign. They have thirty
six thousand elephant or sixty five thousand elephants

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something like that in Gabon. And
so fifteen ton elephant, five ton car.

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We're going to lose that one,
right if we come around the point.

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So I keep just gently ha ha
ha. Would you please slow down?

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And he never did for three days, and I'm thinking this is how

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I'm going to die. So that's
one. There's one story. There's no

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McDonald's or anything to stop for.
There's no drive through, so we would

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stop, like, you know,
five hours into these trips, somewhere near

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a river. There'd be a little
like roadside shack restaurant and we would order

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food, and so the first time
I didn't know what it was. But

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there was just fish, just lots
of fish, and so they were grilling

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fish. My friend orders fish and
I keep looking at it, going that

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looks familiar. I just can't think
what fish it is. So I asked

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my friend and he told me in
French, but I didn't know what it

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would translate in English. So I
ate it, and man, it was

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bony and it was rough and it
wasn't the best fish I've ever had.

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So finally the other guy, he
finally trans he says, its carp.

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It's carp and I was like,
oh, wow, did you like it?

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And I said, well, I
can honestly say that's the best carp

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I've ever had. So the next
time we stop, they didn't even ask

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me what I wanted. They just
went and ordered me carp because apparently I

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love carp. And they said,
if you liked that other carp, this

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carp's even better. Well, I
didn't like that other carp, but that

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other grilled carp was horrible, and
now I have to eat it again because

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I didn't advocate for myself. Yes, so here's what makes me mad,

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And this is about what makes me
mad about myself. Sometimes when I have

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really strong feelings about a thing,
I make a joke about a thing rather

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than advocating for myself. I didn't
speak up. I didn't speak up and

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say, if you don't slow down, we're going to have a problem.

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So instead, for twenty eight hours, I just let him risk my life

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NonStop. And then I really did
not like the carp. But I also

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didn't speak up and say I didn't
really care. What you were trying to

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say is I've never had carp that
was horrible, but it is the best

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cup I've ever had. I was
right, so I was trying to deflect.

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So I think the thing that makes
me mad about myself sometimes is that

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I will not speak up and advocate
for myself. I'll speak up and advocate

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for others if I think there's an
issue, but for me, I just

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let a thing go and it's frustrating. So I'm thinking in my head,

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this makes me mad about myself.
Yeah. So we get to our first

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hotel out in the bush and it
wasn't really a hotel. We walk in

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the room and I'm already kind of
frustrated with myself that I'm not advocating for

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myself, and there were roaches in
my bed in my bed when I got

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there, and I went, no, I'm not sleeping in this bed,

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and the hotel owner just died laughing
like I was joking. I thought it

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was funny at that point. So
apparently, even when I decide to advocate

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for myself, nobody takes me seriously. So that's what makes me mad today.

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Yeah, yeah, that's hilarious.
So I did get a different room

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though. So Desiree is asking me
whether I agree with this sentiment. Well,

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it's very hard because this is very
specifical about I'm not not advocating enough.

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Yeah, but I was making a
joke when I should have been serious.

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Yes, so I will say this. So I agree that it makes

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me mad as well, only when
if somebody makes a joke rather than speaking

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up and then let's just say they
say it to me, right, like,

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you know, instead of telling me
to Let's say I'm the one driving

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fast, right, And if they
make a joke and they don't tell me

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to slow down, and then I
don't slow down, and then they get

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mad at me. They're like,
well I made a joke that I would

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say, Well, then next time, speak up, that's right. So

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my response is what makes you mad? Then? When I make a joke

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but I wasn't clear enough, it
would only make me mad if you if

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I get mad if you got mad
at me when you didn't clearly speak up

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right. So in that case,
I would say, I relate very much

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to your stories, but not for
me personally. I have a tendency to

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speak up for all the time.
Yeah, and sometimes I do it right,

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but oftentimes I don't. Other times
I'll just I'll just be blunt.

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Like we were going through Egypt and
remember that. And then they were going

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one hundred twenty miles an hour,
and finally they turn they have a tendency

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to turn off the headlights. Yeah, and I don't know why. And

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then they ran through a construction and
they almost killed us. Then we get

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back on the road and then he
put the turns the lights off again,

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and I literally shouted to our other
church representatives dismay and I said turn on

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the headlights, and they all literally
were shocked, and they turned back around.

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They looked at me like, is
this guy serious? And then finally

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he turned him back on, and
then nobody said a word and they just

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looked straight and I was like,
I just couldn't handle it anymore. So

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I'm a big advocate encouraging people to
advocate for themselves. Yes, And a

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phrase I use all the time is
either you fix the problem or you are

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the problem. And you're your own
problem, and I'm my own problem.

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In that moment, I just was
trying to be polite. I wouldn't speak

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up, and so instead I had, you know, twenty eight hours of

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full on terror, and I ate
two meals that were, you know,

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horrifically bad because I wouldn't speak up
in the moment, and I could have.

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I could have said it in a
nice way. Hey did you like

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that carp Oh? You know what, I've never had it before. It's

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not my favorite. And then I
wouldn't have had to have a second one.

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I could have said it a nice
way. I could have taken that

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driver aside and said, if you
don't slow down, I'm going to throw

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you out the car and drive myself. But I didn't. So anyways,

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yeah, that makes me mad about
myself. Well, hey, we're jumping

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into Jesus giving the Great Commission,
which is one of the big drivers of

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the church and of Christianity. Hey, this is one of the things that

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drives our lives, your life,
of my life right here, this is

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it, but it should drive every
Christian's life. Right the Great commandments a

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grea commission. So great commandments is
being love God and love people. And

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then the great commission right here.
So Matthew chapter twenty eight. And then

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again we'll read the same thing in
Matthew chapter sixteen. So it says he

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you mean March sixteen. What I
say, Matthew, Yeah, that makes

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me mad to thank you for advocating
for everybody. Matthew chapter twenty eight says.

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Then the eleven disciples left for Galilee, going to the mountain where Jesus

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had told him to go, and
when they saw him, they worshiped him.

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But some of the doubted Jesus came
and told his disciples, I have

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been given all authority in heaven and
on earth. Therefore go and make disciples

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of all the nations, baptizing them
and the name of the Father and the

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Son the Holy Spirit. Teach these
new disciples to obey all the commands I've

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given you, and be sure of
this. I am with you always,

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even to the end of the age. And then in Mark chapter sixteen,

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it says, and then he told
them go into all the world and preach

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the good news to everyone. Anyone
who believes and his baptized will be saved,

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but anyone who refuses to believe will
be condemned. These miraculous signs will

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accompany those who believe. They'll cast
out demons of my name, and they'll

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speak in new languages, and they'll
be able to handle snakes with safety.

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And if they drink anything poisonous,
it won't hurt them. They'll be able

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to place their hands on the sick
and they will be healed. And so

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Jesus sends them on this mission.
Go make disciples. Yep, go make

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disciples. And so let's camp on
the most important here. So because Mark

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says a bunch of weird things,
but Jesus given the great commission. He

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did drink stuff and you'll never get
sick. And people translate that literally and

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all these different kinds of things.
He's talking about it specifically in the context

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of going and sharing the gospel.
Yes, that's right. So anyway,

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let's start with Matthew. So Matthew
gives the great commission, and it is

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the mission. So think about this. So Jesus trains the disciples. He

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sends them out two by two.
Remember that the seventy two go out.

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They're all healing people. They're doing
it, and Jesus name Jesus gave them

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the authority. And then of course
he dies in the cross. They don't

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understand it. He rises again,
he breathes on each one of them.

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They receive the Holy Spirit, and
now he's saying, I have been given

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all authority. Therefore go And so
this is one of the last things that

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Jesus says before he goes back up
into heaven, and it sends, and

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he's giving them a mission that involves
the world. Yeah, the whole world.

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Okay, here's your mission. Go
everywhere and tell everyone. This isn't

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like a couple of weeks ago when
he said, go into the city and

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find a donkey and bring it to
me and then the mission's over. Right,

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Or go go fish and you'll find
a coin in their mouth and then

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the mission's over. Jesus is giving
these this group of people the mission to

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go make disciples, who are making
disciples, and do it to the uttermost

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parts of the world. Right,
go into all the nations, go as

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far as you can go. He
doesn't say Szombie says all right, which

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again, I mean, how else
can you take that other than they had

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no world map, they didn't know
where everyone everywhere was, and they didn't

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know who everyone was. But they
said, okay, right. So it

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turns out you don't have to know
everything and have every detail in line before

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you go. You just need to
go. That means you don't need to

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know everything about the gospel and everything
about theology in order just to go to

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your neighbor. You don't need to
know everything in order to go talk to

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your your coworker. You just have
to go. He said, go and

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tell that's it. That's right,
and and and and tell them what tell

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them the good news of Jesus.
So you don't have to you don't have

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to answer theological questions or you know, debate with agnostics. Hey listen,

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I don't know much, but here's
what I do know. I once was

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blind, and now I see that's
right. That's it. So you know

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that story, you know about Jesus, you can go and tell that's right.

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right, then then you can share
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a few things here. Jesus says, go into all the world and make

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disciples. He doesn't say, go
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Bible studies. He doesn't say go
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dig wells, or build orphanages or
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and necessary, right, But he
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only does he say go make disciples, I would I would argue he's saying,

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go make disciple makers. And the
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disciples, and I believe that disciple
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this making disciples leads to conversion,
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commands I've given you. And one
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He only gave us three commands.
Tell me any other command Jesus gave.

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He said, love God. He
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disciples and teach them. That's it, yeah, right. And when he

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says this new command I give to
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under the great command love people.
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can summarize everything Jesus told us in
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them into the Family of God through
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faith in Christ and then they're going
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to obey everything I've commanded you.
Love God, love people, Go make

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disciples and teach them to obey everything
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Love God, love people, Go
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and again. So the idea would
be making disciple makers because it's the and

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teach these new disciples to obey the
commands I've given you. So you're teaching

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them to do what you do.
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that we've done is we've distilled Christianity
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and we've forgotten the idea that what
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makers. Who make disciple makers.
We just talked about this with our elders

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last night a little bit right as
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our our disciple making things. So
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disciple. How do you how do
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go make disciples, what is the
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What is it? Right? What
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is disciples? As a Uh,
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follow Jesus, or another way to
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Christ. Yeah, I think,
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I've used that definition before. I
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simplest form, a real disciple here's
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be for the disciple who doesn't want
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could shift devotion over to a feeling. I'm very devoted to Jesus belief.

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Faith is very important to me.

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They never actually do anything, so
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But that fault that collapses on itself
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that Jesus asks us to do is
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do then you don't believe it.
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people who are devoted and don't do
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they shift it to mean what they
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hard to say I hear Jesus and
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That's it. So I do what
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obey what Jesus says. So there
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know what he told me. I
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I need to have that. It's
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why we need small groups. That's
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regard to the information in the Bible. But discipleship is not information. Discipleship

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has results, and the results are
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I could have all the information,
you know, the information is the Great

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commission says to go and make disciples
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that's good information. That is what
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great. But if I'm not making
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just a believing of our faith not
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this latent power built into us to
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go from just believing to actually doing, I think we could transform the world.

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I think that there are so many
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that this wild fire of the gospel
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the disciples are hearing and doing and
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would happen to us, I think
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your office could be totally different eighteen
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If you would lead somebody to Jesus
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Jesus, and teach him to lead
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somebody to Jesus, you could transform
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high schooler in two years could transform
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they're not just going to have a
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decide, I'm going to lead into
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means to make disciples. I'm going
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I think you can transform your high
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neighborhood, you can transform your family. Not only do I think it's possible,

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I've seen it happen over and over
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God's people decide, I'm going to
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go do it. And so we
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then go make that. Yeah,
somebody hearsay. Yeah. So last night

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at the Elders meeting, when we
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were talking about how reaching people for
Jesus and evangelism is the hardest of all

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the five purposes of the church.
Oh yeah, absolutely. So, you

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know, fellowship with one another,
which is a great word. We all

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like that. Yeah. Community,
Yeah, pot lush, let's let's let's

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have some coffee and chit chat.
That's great. I just love each other.

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Growing Bible studies, yeah, you
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the other one, and then what's
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and then there's another one serving serving? Yeah, serving, Oh, serving,

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it's a harder one because it's not
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it's not just about me. I'm
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serve somebody else, yeh. But
to but to evangelize, which is a

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made up word that Jesus never says
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the word e angelion, which is
the good news. Oh, the good

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news. Okay, yeah, yeah, that's where we get evangelism from,

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from you angel sharing the good news. So so the so the idea of

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of sharing the good news and telling
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leading them to Christ, you know, and converting them and all these kind

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of things. And by the way, Jesus doesn't tell us to stop there.

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He doesn't just say lead them to
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which means to lead them to Christ
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to help them grow in Christ.
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is that even the evangelism part,
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that's the thing that people shy away
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that people and I'm not sure if
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generation. Like I try to rewind
like fifteen hundred years ago, or I

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try to rewind even heck, even
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it's just it's just it's just different
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we've we're living in a time now
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You don't want to what do they
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That's what it is. And so
the idea of bringing up Jesus ory,

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Hey, let me ask you,
what is your position about God or

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Jesus Christ. It's the thing that
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happens to be we live in a
generation where people are most uncomfortable just bringing

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up It's hysterical to me how often
I've had people go, hey, oh,

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I don't talk religion. We don't
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can't shut up about the benefits of
bidnomics, or they can't shut up about

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the benefits of MAGA, right,
so they talk politics all the time.

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hey, there will be a struggle. People will reject you if you're

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going to share the gospel. But
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will be much fruit. The fields
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was, he said, so then
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send workers into the field. The
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is workers willing to do it.
So we get convinced, oh, I

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might get set. Somebody might tell
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all I can tell you is the
pure joy and elation of leading a person

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to Christ, having an eternal impact
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the privilege of helping disciple them to
go do the same thing. There's nothing

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more satisfying. But the devil has
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you don't see any of the positive. Right. The positive is so far

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beyond the negative that if you can
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Jesus. And so I was at
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and we were showing some friends because
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playing with each other, all this
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said, you guys are a lot
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to That day was the first day
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you a committed Muslim? Is your
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the celebration after Ramadan. He said
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big deal for families. And he
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like we would think of Thanksgiving.
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all that kind of stuff. And
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praying that God gives you a great
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you pray, I said, yeah, I'm a committee Christian. He said,

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I don't know many Christians that pray. I said, we'll be honest

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with you, I don't either.
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and he goes, oh, well, then we're really different. I'm

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surprised you pray for a Muslim man. And I said, listen, my

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goal is not to get you to
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to a church. My goal is
what I wish is that you could know

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Jesus like I know Jesus. I
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family and in your own heart.
I wish you could know the joy and

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the love that only Jesus can brings. I wish you knew Jesus like I

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could know Jesus. And he goes, you know, I think the world

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needs more Jesus. So most people
don't reject Jesus and the love and the

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joy and the peace and his message. Most people reject the packaging that we

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package it in inside of the religious
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when we take the Gospel everywhere to
everybody is not to get them to start

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going to some steepled building and listen
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or in a robe with a backwards
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to Jesus and that's the good news
that's in Mark. Go into all the

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world and preach the good news.
The good news is that Jesus came and

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he solved our sin problem makes it
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and our religion and instead bring people
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world. Yeah, that's great.
Well, hey, that is our time

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and that's a great that's a great
message. So hey, we will see

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you hopefully money day. If you're
following day by day on the bubble,

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guys, mhm hm