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<v Speaker 1>Hey, everybody, we're the Bible guys, and if you're just

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Wesley, it's too hot in here. I need some

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<v Speaker 1>more water, and I don't like your shirt.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if you can't tell, we're talking about criticism today.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that.

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<v Speaker 3>Is the topic. I'm Wesley, this is Chris. This is

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<v Speaker 3>the Daily Bible guys. All right, So we're talking about

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<v Speaker 3>criticism today. But first we want to have a little fun.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to do a segment that everyone seems to

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely love. If that segment is what made Chris mad,

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<v Speaker 3>So we're gonna find out we haven't done this. We

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<v Speaker 3>haven't done it a lot. Yeah, So everyone wants to know.

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<v Speaker 3>The listeners want to know what made Chris mad today,

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<v Speaker 3>so let us know, jeez, it need not even be today.

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<v Speaker 3>What made you mad the last week?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, I have one. Uh you know, it's funny.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't really walk in here. I didn't know I

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna be talking about this as always right, the

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<v Speaker 1>segments are thrown on us. But I actually went to

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<v Speaker 1>Las Vegas last week to go to the Pro Bowl.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, the Pro Bowl was out at Vegas

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<v Speaker 1>and it was wonderful.

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<v Speaker 4>By the way.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people thought it was gonna be a

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<v Speaker 1>massive failure with the NFL doing flag football, and I

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<v Speaker 1>have to tell you the opposite was true. It was

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely packed and it was wonderful. I actually told my

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<v Speaker 1>buddy Jeff, who was with me, I said, to watch

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<v Speaker 1>their expressions. Right, they were on the field having a

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<v Speaker 1>good time, and you never see their faces because but

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<v Speaker 1>they were laughing, cracking up, joking.

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<v Speaker 4>It was just flag foot. They were just having a

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<v Speaker 4>good time.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking, when in my entire life have I we've

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<v Speaker 1>been able to see NFL players having a pickup game,

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<v Speaker 1>laughing and having a good time sort of like we did, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And the answer is never, which means it's a brand

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<v Speaker 1>new undiscovered dynamic. So I was a massive fan of

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<v Speaker 1>the of the Pro Bowl this year. Yeah, and it was,

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<v Speaker 1>of course the best of the best. Right by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>side note, we actually wandered down to the forty nine ers.

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<v Speaker 4>Family section, Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 1>And I actually sat directly next to Ed McCaffrey and

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<v Speaker 1>Lisa McCaffrey. It was Christian McCaffrey's parents.

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<v Speaker 3>I love how you said you wander You just kind

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<v Speaker 3>of casually tripped and you know, rolled down and ended

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<v Speaker 3>up in a seat.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Well, believe it or not.

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<v Speaker 1>Believe it or not, we figured something out. I think

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<v Speaker 1>they wanted us.

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<v Speaker 4>To sneak down, so I do. Yeah, I actually do.

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<v Speaker 4>I promise you I did.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reason why is because the controversy around the

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<v Speaker 1>Pro Bowl but was so high and they desperately needed

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<v Speaker 1>the crowd to be filled. So you know how normally,

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<v Speaker 1>if you go to a Lion's game, there's a guy

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<v Speaker 1>checking your tickets and you can't really sneak down until

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<v Speaker 1>it's like the last quarter when nobody cares right and

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<v Speaker 1>they'll say, yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Go down and get a good seat.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're in the nosebleed seats, listen, the NFL

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<v Speaker 1>didn't even hire. Not only were they not checking tickets,

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<v Speaker 1>there was no security.

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<v Speaker 3>No wow, none.

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<v Speaker 1>So everybody was like, can we just go where we

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<v Speaker 1>want to go? And so everybody went went down. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>talking thousands.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>In retrospect, I think what they did was they did

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<v Speaker 1>that on purpose, because they're not stupid, right. They did

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<v Speaker 1>that so that the cameras would show every seat filled,

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<v Speaker 1>which was amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>I had that happen at the Palace. My dad and

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<v Speaker 3>I went to a Pistons game. This is years ago,

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<v Speaker 3>back when the Palace was still there. We're seated way

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<v Speaker 3>up and we were in the two hundred section, but

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<v Speaker 3>kind of far up there. I was going to get

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<v Speaker 3>like a pretzel or something. Guy is walking directly towards me.

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<v Speaker 3>I stepped to the left, He goos left, Okay, I

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<v Speaker 3>stepped to the right. He goes right. Like what is

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<v Speaker 3>this guy doing? He said, where are you sitting? I said, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>we're in two hundred whatever. He's like, how would you

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<v Speaker 3>like two tickets to sit on the floor?

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<v Speaker 4>Wow?

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<v Speaker 3>Like what, yeah, I take those. I want to grab

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<v Speaker 3>my dad and I said, Dad, follow me. Don't ask questions, right,

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<v Speaker 3>So we literally went all the way down and set

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<v Speaker 3>on the second row, and it was for that reason

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<v Speaker 3>during telecast, they want the lower bowl that section to

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<v Speaker 3>look more filled in. Yeah so yeah, that was a

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<v Speaker 3>cool experience.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the funny thing is, we spent minutes on this,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not even close to why I was mad.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, that's all besides the fact I was down

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<v Speaker 1>there for the Pro Bowl. But we had stayed in

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<v Speaker 1>a hotel. Yeah okay, now the hotel that we'd stayed in.

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<v Speaker 1>I was there for five nights. We at a great time,

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<v Speaker 1>saw some shows and it was really fun. But we

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<v Speaker 1>were down there. We stayed one night at a hotel

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<v Speaker 1>called the Wind.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, I've heard of them.

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<v Speaker 1>In The Wind is like one thousand dollars a night.

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't pay that through it doesn't matter. We only

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<v Speaker 1>paid like two hundred something bucks a night. But it

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<v Speaker 1>was a thousand dollars a nights like hotel. And there

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<v Speaker 1>was a pair of boxer shorts left in the hotel.

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<v Speaker 1>I kid, do not have you ever seen like like

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<v Speaker 1>a master bathroom where the toilet has its own door.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, okay, well it has its own little room.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if you opened the door, the door opened against

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<v Speaker 1>the wall and so a lot of times people would

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<v Speaker 1>just sort of leave that open. Well, because I was

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<v Speaker 1>there with my friend, he was in the bathroom, I

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<v Speaker 1>closed the door. So apparently whoever was in there before

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<v Speaker 1>me had left a pair of boxers, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>had opened the door and it got trapped between the

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<v Speaker 1>and I closed the door, and I see this pair

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<v Speaker 1>of boxers and I think to myself, Oh, I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know Jeff were boxers, right, because about he had boxer breathe,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, And I'm like, huh. So I ended up

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<v Speaker 1>grabbing these boxers. I put my hands on them.

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<v Speaker 4>By the way, oh.

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<v Speaker 3>No, this is going downhill quick, and I threw them.

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<v Speaker 1>In the middle of the floor, expecting him to grab

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<v Speaker 1>them and put him in his luggage. Well, after like

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<v Speaker 1>three hours, they're still sitting and I go, dude, I go,

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<v Speaker 1>I threw those there so you can clean up your mess.

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<v Speaker 4>I said, grab your boxers. He goes, those.

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<v Speaker 1>Aren't my boxers, because I thought they were your boxers.

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<v Speaker 4>And I said, are you kidding me?

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<v Speaker 1>I said, I just grabbed boxers.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just some guests.

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<v Speaker 1>Guess you know, I should have watched my mans oh,

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<v Speaker 1>actually I did because I went to the restaurant.

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<v Speaker 4>But I thought to.

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<v Speaker 1>Myself, I can't believe that I did that. And so

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<v Speaker 1>we actually mentioned and we weren't trying to get a discount,

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<v Speaker 1>we really weren't. We just mentioned, hey, you probably should

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<v Speaker 1>know that there were boxers, and we took a photo

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<v Speaker 1>of them and here they were in the middle, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're like, we're so sorry. We're going to give you

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred dollars off your room.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh wow, for your inconvenience. And I was like, man,

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<v Speaker 4>I should try that.

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<v Speaker 1>Every time, kidding.

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<v Speaker 4>But they did.

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<v Speaker 1>They were very generous and compensating us.

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<v Speaker 3>It was hilarious.

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<v Speaker 4>It made me mad.

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<v Speaker 3>So we found out this is what made Chris mad.

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<v Speaker 3>Wouldn't you be.

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<v Speaker 1>Mad if you if you sign up for a thousand

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<v Speaker 1>dollars hotel experience and found out that this, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>servers left boxers in there from the previous owner.

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<v Speaker 3>That's hilarious.

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<v Speaker 1>That's enough to make you mad. So anyway, hey, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>we are way into this here. We have to go

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<v Speaker 1>ahead and read Roman chapter fourteen. We're gonna read the

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<v Speaker 1>whole chapter, so I'll just give it over to you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm gonna fly through this because you've used up

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<v Speaker 3>a little time. YEP. Chapter fourteen, Verse one accept others

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<v Speaker 3>accept other believers who are weak in faith, and don't

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<v Speaker 3>argue with them about what they think is right or wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>For instance, one person believes it's all right to eat anything,

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<v Speaker 3>but another believer with the sensitive conscience will eat only vegetables.

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<v Speaker 3>Those who feel free to eat anything must not look

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<v Speaker 3>down on those who don't, and those who don't eat

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<v Speaker 3>certain foods must not condemn those who do, for God

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<v Speaker 3>has accepted them. Or are you to condemn someone else's servants.

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<v Speaker 3>Their own Master will judge whether they stand or fall,

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<v Speaker 3>and with the Lord's help, they will stand and receive

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<v Speaker 3>his approval. In the same way, some think one day

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<v Speaker 3>is more holy than another day, while others think every

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<v Speaker 3>day is alike. You should be fully convinced that whichever

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<v Speaker 3>day you choose is acceptable. Those who worship the Lord

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<v Speaker 3>on a special day do it to honor him. Those

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<v Speaker 3>who eat any kind of food do so to honor

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<v Speaker 3>the Lord, since they give thanks to God before eating.

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<v Speaker 3>And those who refuse to eat certain foods also want

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<v Speaker 3>to please the Lord and give thanks to God. For

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<v Speaker 3>we don't live for ourselves. Or die for ourselves. If

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<v Speaker 3>we live, it's to honor the Lord, and if we die,

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<v Speaker 3>it's to honor the Lord. So whether we live or die,

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<v Speaker 3>we belong to the Lord. Christ died and rose again

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<v Speaker 3>for this very purpose, to be the Lord, both of

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<v Speaker 3>the living and of the dead. Why do we condemn

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<v Speaker 3>another believer? Why do you look down on another believer?

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<v Speaker 3>Remember we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.

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<v Speaker 3>For the scriptures say, as surely as I live, says

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<v Speaker 3>the Lord, every need will bend to me, and every

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<v Speaker 3>tongue will declare allegiance to God. Yes, each of us

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<v Speaker 3>will give a personal account to God. So let's stop

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<v Speaker 3>condemning each other. Decide instead to live in such a

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<v Speaker 3>way that you will not cause another believer to stumble

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<v Speaker 3>and fall. I know I am convinced on the authority

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<v Speaker 3>of the Lord Jesus that no food in and of

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<v Speaker 3>itself is wrong to eat. But if someone believes it

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<v Speaker 3>is wrong, then for that person it is wrong. And

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<v Speaker 3>if another believer is distressed by what you eat, you

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<v Speaker 3>are not acting in love. If you eat it, don't

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<v Speaker 3>let your eating ruin someone from whom Christ died. Then

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<v Speaker 3>you will not be criticized for doing something you believe

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<v Speaker 3>So then let us aim for harmony in the church

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<v Speaker 3>all foods are acceptable, but it is wrong to eat

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<v Speaker 1>Criticism, criticism of eating and drinking, and and that mixed

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<v Speaker 1>with the beliefs of other believers. Right, what's so interesting

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<v Speaker 1>about this is it's really not about eating and drinking.

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<v Speaker 1>And they would say like, well, this steak is offered

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<v Speaker 1>to the god of Molek, you know, this steak is

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it is. And what they would do is they would,

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<v Speaker 1>here's what Paul is saying. Paul saying like, okay, you

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<v Speaker 1>and I know that that God of Molek is nothing

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<v Speaker 1>Other people think it's bad. It's nothing, it's a piece

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<v Speaker 1>of metal. He's saying, we know that this steak is

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<v Speaker 1>just steak, right, and we know that it's good to

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<v Speaker 4>It'd be a waste. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So if we're up to me and you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm with another believer who understands that, we both agree,

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<v Speaker 1>this steak, even though it was offered to fall sidle.

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<v Speaker 1>But what he's also saying is he's saying, now there

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<v Speaker 1>are people who believe he talks about them having a

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<v Speaker 1>more sensitive conscious. In other parts of the scripture, he

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<v Speaker 4>He says the weaker.

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<v Speaker 1>Believer would stumble, and he's using the same language here stumble,

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<v Speaker 1>which is interesting because those who are offended are actually categorized.

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<v Speaker 4>As the weaker believer because they don't understand.

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<v Speaker 1>And Paul is saying, we who are mature have a

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<v Speaker 1>greater understanding that this is just a cow right, or

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<v Speaker 1>a goat or an ox or a dove, whatever it is.

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<v Speaker 1>But they don't understand that they're the weaker believer. They're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be offended. And think about that how that

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<v Speaker 1>applies for our lives. There are a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>who misunderstand the Scripture about a lot of things, right,

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<v Speaker 1>they would think, oh, it's wrong to have the drums

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<v Speaker 1>in the church because if you tap your toe.

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<v Speaker 4>I've been told this, if you tap your.

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<v Speaker 1>Toe more than you're praising Jesus, and something's wrong with that,

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<v Speaker 1>that carnal desire to tap your toe.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm thinking to myself, I want to, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Plunch you the face for even throwing that out my

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you're trying to yell at me for tapping

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<v Speaker 4>Right, But here's what Paul is saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Paul saying, like, listen, if it's not too much trouble,

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<v Speaker 1>then choose a song where you're not going to tap

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<v Speaker 1>your toe in this case, right, is this guy, even

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<v Speaker 1>though he's completely in the wrong about tapping your toe,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if he's going to stumble, then you need

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<v Speaker 1>to consider that. So do whatever you can to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that you don't offend the weaker believer who has

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<v Speaker 3>I want to camp out just for a quick moment

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<v Speaker 3>on that concept of not doing something to cost someone

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<v Speaker 3>else to stumble. So I'm a pastor. I don't drink.

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<v Speaker 3>There's at our church we have celebrate Recovery, which is

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<v Speaker 3>an awesome, awesome ministry for anyone wants to know. If

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<v Speaker 3>you have any kind of hurt, habit or hang up,

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<v Speaker 3>dive into Celebrate Recovery. It's a great group of people.

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<v Speaker 3>You'll love it. Because I am aware that there are

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<v Speaker 3>people from Celebrate Recovery. I am cautious of the things

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<v Speaker 3>that I do. Let me give you a clear example.

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<v Speaker 3>So my wife and I and my daughter, we like

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<v Speaker 3>going to Red Robin, So they're down the street from

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<v Speaker 3>the church. You can get burgers and belts and like

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<v Speaker 3>all kinds of stuff if you get a carry out

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<v Speaker 3>from there. This is pre COVID, it's different now they

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<v Speaker 3>do carry out a different way. But before, if you

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<v Speaker 3>had to carry out, they would say, well, come in,

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<v Speaker 3>have a seat at the bar. So you have a

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<v Speaker 3>they'll say, oh, if it's a long wait, we'll give

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<v Speaker 3>you something to drink. Do you want to a coke

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<v Speaker 3>or something like that. So you have to get the

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<v Speaker 3>imagery here. Someone, let's say, from Celebrate Recovery, who are

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<v Speaker 3>struggling with alcohol. They walk in and they see Pastor

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<v Speaker 3>Wesley sitting at the bar with a dark glass. They

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<v Speaker 3>don't know what's in the glass, but I'm at the

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<v Speaker 3>bar with something in a dark glass that now may

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<v Speaker 3>cause them to slip, That may cause them to say, well,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what, and maybe okay, to just go ahead

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<v Speaker 3>and take a drink. Pastor Wesley is so I think

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<v Speaker 3>that's very true. As mature believers, we have to be

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<v Speaker 3>conscious of our surroundings and conscious of the fact that

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<v Speaker 3>there are other people who may not be as advanced

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<v Speaker 3>in their faith or weak in a certain area, and

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<v Speaker 3>we don't want to do anything even though it's not

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<v Speaker 3>a hindrance to us. We don't want to do anything

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<v Speaker 3>that will cause a stumbling block for someone else.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, it's really interesting that you brought that up,

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<v Speaker 1>because Paul, I think, is pretty specific when he talks

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<v Speaker 1>about another believer who thinks a certain way, and so

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<v Speaker 1>there's sort of two schools of thought on this area.

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<v Speaker 1>So you could either So for you, you're not thinking

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<v Speaker 1>of a specific person.

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<v Speaker 4>You're not thinking of.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you know, like oh, this one guy I know

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<v Speaker 1>named Bill. Right, you're just saying this is a blanket

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<v Speaker 1>number one come in. Number two, think that way. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's so interesting because it is a nuance,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a dance. And the reason why I believe, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>throughout my life, I having a pastor for thirty one

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<v Speaker 1>years this year, I believe it's a dance because it

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<v Speaker 1>can go one extreme or the other.

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<v Speaker 3>So think about this, So extremes would be the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well yet, but yet where's the line, right, because

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<v Speaker 4>Conviction, I don't have that conviction, right, But it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably only because the way I was raised, Right, So

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<v Speaker 1>And I think to myself, somebodys sitting at a bar

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<v Speaker 1>and they're drinking a coke. You know, if somebody assumes

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<v Speaker 1>Not But but at the same time, though, if I

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<v Speaker 1>because because here's the extremes. Here's why I'm saying this

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<v Speaker 1>because like, for instance, uh, here here's the extreme.

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<v Speaker 4>In in the blanket way.

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<v Speaker 1>But when I when I attended my college, it was

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<v Speaker 1>it was a conservative Baptist College in Missouri. Here's what

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<v Speaker 1>they would say. They'd say, if you go to a movie,

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<v Speaker 1>you're expelled forever. And I'd say, whoa, that's incredible. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>like why And they said, well because and this is

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<v Speaker 1>this is the same concept, only taking it to extreme.

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<v Speaker 1>He says, well, and this is the exact quote. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>The Little Mermaid? Or Debbie does Dallas, so and so.

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, so to avoid that so that other

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<v Speaker 1>believers won't stumble, we're just saying.

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<v Speaker 4>No movie is allowed. And so it's like, so you

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<v Speaker 1>So you're like, you're like, okay, Well, to make matters worse,

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<v Speaker 4>At your table? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>So, so the only way then to not a fund

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<v Speaker 1>a believer is to attend a restaurant that doesn't even

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<v Speaker 1>there you see how they're the same, right, So all

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<v Speaker 1>you did was sort of move the marker toward your proximity.

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<v Speaker 1>So you said, well, because of it at a bar,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to assume it's something.

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<v Speaker 4>But if I'm at a table, they won't assume. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>how do you know? But I understand how it looks worse.

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<v Speaker 4>But so I've wrestled.

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<v Speaker 1>With this nuance my whole life because I think Jesus

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<v Speaker 1>drank wine. Clearly, there's no doubt in my mind.

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<v Speaker 4>The Bible acts.

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<v Speaker 1>He says that Jesus was accused of being a drunkard,

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<v Speaker 1>which means like you don't you're not accused of being

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<v Speaker 1>a drunkard unless you drink wine. And he was accused

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<v Speaker 1>a bar. But let me give you another example. My

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<v Speaker 1>There was no NFL ticket, right, So so the only

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<v Speaker 3>The bars had satellites.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, And so the only place that we knew that

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<v Speaker 1>Missouri was Legends. But Legends was a sports bar. It

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<v Speaker 1>so I went to the dean of men and I said, please, please,

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<v Speaker 1>sit at the bar. To your point, right, I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to sit at the bar. I'll sit at

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<v Speaker 1>the table. And he says, but it's still a bar,

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<v Speaker 1>and I said, okay, listen. I said, let me ask

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<v Speaker 1>you a question. I said, where do you shop for

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<v Speaker 1>your groceries? He said, I shop a Kroger? And I said,

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<v Speaker 1>shame on you.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, I literally said this.

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<v Speaker 4>He was so angry.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, how does anybody know you're going to walk

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<v Speaker 1>into Kroger and you're not going to go grab a

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<v Speaker 1>bottle of wine? I said, do you do you choose

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<v Speaker 1>clear bags or do you choose plastic or paper?

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<v Speaker 4>And he says, what I usually choose paper.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's that's a sin, right, because.

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<v Speaker 4>You shoot what I'm saying. So the extreme goes back

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<v Speaker 4>and forth. So here's what I belie.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that when Paul talks about another persons of

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<v Speaker 1>the Scripture, he says, all things are expedient, right, or

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<v Speaker 1>all things are are lawful, but not all things are beneficial, right,

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<v Speaker 1>he says, So, so you're a free to do whatever

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<v Speaker 1>you want, but you have to understand that not all

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<v Speaker 1>your actions are beneficial, So listen.

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<v Speaker 4>I firmly support the bar theory. If I know for

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<v Speaker 4>a fact.

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<v Speaker 1>That there's somebody who is going to be, you know

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<v Speaker 1>there that's going to stumble, I do. And I firmly

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<v Speaker 1>support the theory of not sitting at the bar at

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<v Speaker 1>legends being a being a Bible college student.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So I believe that. But at the same because that's

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<v Speaker 1>because that's what they demanded. At the same time, I

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<v Speaker 1>have to say that, like Paul gives us the freedom

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<v Speaker 1>to say, let us use our lives in such a

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<v Speaker 1>way to where you know, we're not going to intentionally

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<v Speaker 1>make other people stumble and so and so, if we

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<v Speaker 1>were to avoid all things that make people stumble, I

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<v Speaker 1>would never buy a thousand or two thousand dollars TV

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<v Speaker 1>because I should be giving that money to the poor.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So it really is a thing where God gives us freedom,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm so grateful for it because He allows us

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<v Speaker 1>to use our own conscious And I completely support your conviction.

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<v Speaker 1>The way that you were raised, the way that I

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<v Speaker 1>was raised. God calls me to you know, let me

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<v Speaker 1>let me wrap up with one last story. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>couple that goes to our church, and in fact, they

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<v Speaker 1>went to my previous church and say were with me

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<v Speaker 1>for ten years. And if they're listening to this podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>they know who they are because they're the owner of

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<v Speaker 1>a bar that's located on our street or Shiner, only

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<v Speaker 1>their south and they've been with me for ten years.

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<v Speaker 1>But about a year ago they said, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>we heard from the stage today that you.

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<v Speaker 4>Love live music and we have you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, it's a bar, but it's also a restaurant and

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<v Speaker 1>we have live music every Friday Saturday.

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<v Speaker 4>We love to invite you. And they have invited me

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<v Speaker 4>like three.

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<v Speaker 1>Different times, but I haven't talked to them in six months, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And so one day I was taking one of our

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<v Speaker 1>staff members out to lunch and we had, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the choice of where to go, and I said, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, something inside is telling me to go to

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<v Speaker 1>this bar for lunch so that I could basically, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>visit these owners who go to our church. So we did,

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<v Speaker 1>and we sat at the bar, he and I both

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<v Speaker 1>we ordered, of course a die coke, so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we weren't ordering anything bad. And by the way, there's

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<v Speaker 1>only like five people there that were like seventy five

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<v Speaker 1>years old.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, in the whole place.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's like a Tuesday afternoon, like nude.

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<v Speaker 4>Or something like this.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I asked the bartender, I said, is so

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<v Speaker 1>and so here and and she says, yeah, she's in

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<v Speaker 1>the back. Who should I tell her is here? I said,

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<v Speaker 1>tell her Chris is here. She says, Chris who? And

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<v Speaker 1>I said she'll know. So then she comes out and

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<v Speaker 1>she immediately starts weeping. Right, So Treye was with me,

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<v Speaker 1>He'll tell you this.

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<v Speaker 4>She's weeping. And she goes, you have no idea.

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<v Speaker 1>How this has solidified my faith? She goes, I fell

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<v Speaker 1>down by the way, washer by the dishwasher. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>so funny how she even, like I think she even cussed,

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<v Speaker 1>like yeah, she's like I fell down by the f

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<v Speaker 1>and washer, right, she doesn't even know not to cuss, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And she goes, and I just prayed, God, you need

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<v Speaker 1>to show me some signs that you love me, that

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<v Speaker 1>you're paying attention to me, Like, please, God, minister to

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<v Speaker 1>me in such a way because her daughter is in

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<v Speaker 1>a terrible situation. She's incarcerated and she's watching her kids

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<v Speaker 1>and there's there's there's bad things involved, things that are

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<v Speaker 1>not my story to tell, but let me just tell

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<v Speaker 1>you it is. It is the worst situation ever. And

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<v Speaker 1>she says, and I was at the end of myself

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<v Speaker 1>saying like, you know, please, God showed me. And she's weeping,

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<v Speaker 1>and she says, and here you are that God has

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<v Speaker 1>sent you to me today. And she goes and for

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<v Speaker 1>no reason at all, you felt like coming and visiting

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<v Speaker 1>me here today. And I said, well, can we go

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<v Speaker 1>back in the office and pray for your daughter? So

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<v Speaker 1>we went in the back and she opened it up

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<v Speaker 1>and we prayed, and she's just bawling and she's like,

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<v Speaker 1>God has set you here today, and so and here.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody there in the whole restaurant is listening to this,

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<v Speaker 1>and here's the owner who normally doesn't behave this way.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're sitting right there in close proximity with everybody

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<v Speaker 1>in the stools, and they're looking over. These guys are regulars,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're like, I'm sorry, what is your name again?

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<v Speaker 1>Like you're a pastor, like and you're here with us today,

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<v Speaker 1>like God bless you. And I was clearly the pastor

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<v Speaker 1>there on the mission. And I walked out of there

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<v Speaker 1>and Trey looked at me and said, that was one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most amazing things we could have done with.

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<v Speaker 4>Our time today.

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<v Speaker 1>And so you know, it's one of those things where

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that God gives us the ability to say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, always have your wits about you, always use

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<v Speaker 1>good wisdom.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's the key part. That's the key using wisdom. Motive. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>so your motive wasn't to go in there is already

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<v Speaker 3>the lights out right right right.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, I have to say, we've gone a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit over our time, but this was.

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<v Speaker 3>I think this segment will really help someone.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll be honest.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a great debate because these are the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>podcasts that people really want to know.

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<v Speaker 4>And when you brought that up, I thought that. I

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<v Speaker 4>bet you people thought I wonder what zaraba?

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<v Speaker 3>Right? Yes, because it's like, you know, I just had.

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<v Speaker 1>An entirely different background, and God, I believe, sometimes calls

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<v Speaker 1>me to the gritty people of the world, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, hey, listen, that's all we have time for

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<v Speaker 1>and we will see you next time on the Bible.

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<v Speaker 4>Guys,