1 01:00:00,875 --> 01:00:02,000 Introducing, I have a 2 01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:03,333 name for you, Fusion. 3 01:00:03,708 --> 01:00:06,125 Fusion is the library that I will be 4 01:00:06,125 --> 01:00:07,416 introducing to you today. 5 01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:08,833 It is a new 6 01:00:08,833 --> 01:00:11,250 JavaScript and Laravel library. 7 01:00:11,625 --> 01:00:13,708 And I know you're thinking, Aaron, we 8 01:00:13,708 --> 01:00:14,958 have a first-party 9 01:00:14,958 --> 01:00:17,000 JavaScript and Laravel library 10 01:00:17,041 --> 01:00:17,916 called Inertia. 11 01:00:18,416 --> 01:00:19,916 No longer third-party, first-party, yes. 12 01:00:20,875 --> 01:00:21,791 This does not Fusion 13 01:00:21,791 --> 01:00:23,333 does not abolish Inertia. 14 01:00:23,541 --> 01:00:24,750 It fulfills Inertia. 15 01:00:24,833 --> 01:00:28,500 So this is my vision for what if we took 16 01:00:28,500 --> 01:00:29,916 Inertia way too far? 17 01:00:30,166 --> 01:00:31,958 What if we just took it like five steps 18 01:00:31,958 --> 01:00:33,458 beyond what is reasonable? 19 01:00:34,125 --> 01:00:34,833 That is Fusion. 20 01:00:35,416 --> 01:00:39,250 So Aaron, what a perfect intro. 21 01:00:41,375 --> 01:00:42,208 I'm just curious. 22 01:00:43,041 --> 01:00:44,791 Where did this come from? 23 01:00:45,208 --> 01:00:46,708 You were just like, hey, you know, kind 24 01:00:46,708 --> 01:00:48,125 of, you know, Inertia's fine. 25 01:00:48,125 --> 01:00:49,083 I don't have enough to do. 26 01:00:49,458 --> 01:00:49,666 I'm good. 27 01:00:49,791 --> 01:00:51,583 But yeah, you know, I've 28 01:00:51,583 --> 01:00:53,541 got 14 products, four kids. 29 01:00:54,875 --> 01:00:55,666 Seven podcasts. 30 01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,333 But I really want to make this new thing 31 01:00:58,333 --> 01:01:00,958 and spend my life creating this app. 32 01:01:01,791 --> 01:01:03,166 Yeah, that's a great question. 33 01:01:03,500 --> 01:01:04,666 That is a great question. 34 01:01:06,291 --> 01:01:08,791 Yeah, so it came from so, you know, my 35 01:01:08,791 --> 01:01:12,250 co-founder, Steve, he is a he's a 36 01:01:12,250 --> 01:01:13,500 JavaScript guy, like, 37 01:01:13,500 --> 01:01:14,208 through and through. 38 01:01:14,500 --> 01:01:16,833 He's a Vue guy, so he does fit in well in 39 01:01:16,833 --> 01:01:17,500 the Laravel community 40 01:01:17,500 --> 01:01:18,750 because we love Vue.js. 41 01:01:20,708 --> 01:01:21,875 And he has picked up 42 01:01:21,875 --> 01:01:23,791 Nuxt and really likes Nuxt. 43 01:01:23,791 --> 01:01:25,041 And that's like their, you know, meta 44 01:01:25,041 --> 01:01:26,250 framework, whatever a meta 45 01:01:26,250 --> 01:01:27,875 framework actually is, that's 46 01:01:27,875 --> 01:01:29,333 what their meta framework is. 47 01:01:30,250 --> 01:01:31,708 And so Steve and I are working together 48 01:01:31,708 --> 01:01:32,708 on all these projects. 49 01:01:32,708 --> 01:01:34,125 We're building out the course platform. 50 01:01:34,333 --> 01:01:35,291 We're building out all this stuff. 51 01:01:35,708 --> 01:01:37,958 We're using Inertia because he's like, 52 01:01:37,958 --> 01:01:40,000 hey, I'm super fast with Vue. 53 01:01:40,500 --> 01:01:41,333 Livewire seems cool, 54 01:01:41,333 --> 01:01:42,666 but like I'm a Vue guy. 55 01:01:42,666 --> 01:01:44,750 I've never really written PHP in my life. 56 01:01:44,750 --> 01:01:45,583 And I'm like, that's great. 57 01:01:45,583 --> 01:01:46,250 We have Inertia. 58 01:01:46,625 --> 01:01:48,375 We're so lucky in this community to have 59 01:01:48,375 --> 01:01:49,708 these two super viable 60 01:01:49,708 --> 01:01:52,125 front end-esque options. 61 01:01:52,875 --> 01:01:55,666 So we'll use Inertia and Vue and Laravel. 62 01:01:55,666 --> 01:01:56,333 It'll be totally fine. 63 01:01:57,291 --> 01:01:58,458 So we're working on it. 64 01:01:58,666 --> 01:02:01,291 And Steve is constantly like, hey, how do 65 01:02:01,291 --> 01:02:03,500 I get data into this Vue template? 66 01:02:03,500 --> 01:02:04,666 And I'm like, oh, well, you know, you go, 67 01:02:04,666 --> 01:02:05,416 you define a route 68 01:02:05,416 --> 01:02:06,375 and then you define what 69 01:02:06,375 --> 01:02:07,083 your props are and 70 01:02:07,083 --> 01:02:08,208 then you send them down. 71 01:02:08,208 --> 01:02:09,250 And then on the front end, you got to 72 01:02:09,250 --> 01:02:10,083 define your props and 73 01:02:10,083 --> 01:02:11,000 then you can receive them. 74 01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:12,458 And he's like, what? 75 01:02:12,833 --> 01:02:13,958 Why am I doing all this crap? 76 01:02:14,333 --> 01:02:16,333 And then, you know, his next question is 77 01:02:16,333 --> 01:02:19,958 like, okay, how do I mark that a user has 78 01:02:19,958 --> 01:02:21,041 finished a video? 79 01:02:21,333 --> 01:02:22,375 It's like, you know, we're listening to 80 01:02:22,375 --> 01:02:23,333 these video events and 81 01:02:23,333 --> 01:02:24,208 we're going to fire off like 82 01:02:24,250 --> 01:02:26,083 videos done, like market so 83 01:02:26,083 --> 01:02:27,583 that they, the UI changes. 84 01:02:28,166 --> 01:02:29,750 And I'm like, no problem. 85 01:02:29,750 --> 01:02:30,708 You got to create a route. 86 01:02:30,708 --> 01:02:31,500 You got to create a 87 01:02:31,500 --> 01:02:32,458 handler on the back end. 88 01:02:32,458 --> 01:02:33,625 You got to create a controller. 89 01:02:33,625 --> 01:02:34,208 You got to write your own 90 01:02:34,208 --> 01:02:35,791 fetch function or your Exios call. 91 01:02:35,791 --> 01:02:37,125 And he's like, this is not 92 01:02:37,125 --> 01:02:38,125 the way that it should be. 93 01:02:38,750 --> 01:02:40,500 And so it's one of those things where 94 01:02:40,500 --> 01:02:41,041 it's like, you don't 95 01:02:41,041 --> 01:02:43,333 really know, you don't really 96 01:02:43,333 --> 01:02:45,333 know the filth and the squalor that 97 01:02:45,333 --> 01:02:46,166 you're living in until 98 01:02:46,166 --> 01:02:47,083 your friend comes over. 99 01:02:47,083 --> 01:02:48,333 And they're like, dude, you've got to 100 01:02:48,333 --> 01:02:49,500 clean this place up. 101 01:02:49,500 --> 01:02:50,833 And that's kind of, that's kind of how I 102 01:02:50,833 --> 01:02:52,333 felt was Steve kept 103 01:02:52,333 --> 01:02:54,250 saying stuff like, this should 104 01:02:54,250 --> 01:02:55,000 be easier. 105 01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:56,833 And I looked at it with fresh eyes and 106 01:02:56,833 --> 01:02:58,541 was like, this should be easier. 107 01:02:58,541 --> 01:02:59,333 What are we doing here? 108 01:02:59,875 --> 01:03:03,958 And I had observed from the outside, the, 109 01:03:03,958 --> 01:03:05,208 you know, the next JS 110 01:03:05,208 --> 01:03:06,416 community with all of their 111 01:03:06,416 --> 01:03:08,916 like, you know, React server components, 112 01:03:08,916 --> 01:03:09,833 React server actions, all 113 01:03:09,833 --> 01:03:10,666 of this stuff that I don't 114 01:03:10,666 --> 01:03:11,250 fully know. 115 01:03:12,208 --> 01:03:13,791 And I'm like, that is kind of nice that 116 01:03:13,791 --> 01:03:14,500 you can kind of just 117 01:03:14,500 --> 01:03:16,416 kind of compose across the 118 01:03:16,416 --> 01:03:17,416 network boundary. 119 01:03:18,291 --> 01:03:19,041 What would that look 120 01:03:19,041 --> 01:03:21,291 like in Laravel and Vue? 121 01:03:21,291 --> 01:03:23,750 And that's kind of the genesis of it all. 122 01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:26,458 That's awesome. 123 01:03:26,958 --> 01:03:31,291 So me, so I have never used inertia ever. 124 01:03:31,916 --> 01:03:32,000 Wow. 125 01:03:32,458 --> 01:03:35,958 I, the, I used Backbone JS way back in 126 01:03:35,958 --> 01:03:38,458 the day and I hated it with marionette. 127 01:03:38,708 --> 01:03:40,291 And then like, and then we use like one 128 01:03:40,291 --> 01:03:40,875 of the really, really 129 01:03:40,875 --> 01:03:42,041 first like versions of 130 01:03:42,041 --> 01:03:42,458 Vue. 131 01:03:42,708 --> 01:03:43,375 And then that was it. 132 01:03:43,375 --> 01:03:44,125 I switched to 133 01:03:44,125 --> 01:03:46,166 basically not doing anything. 134 01:03:47,500 --> 01:03:48,208 Switched to the live wire. 135 01:03:48,208 --> 01:03:49,666 And then I worked at, you know, with Ian 136 01:03:49,666 --> 01:03:50,916 on a help spot, which 137 01:03:50,916 --> 01:03:52,500 is kind of, I mean, it 138 01:03:52,500 --> 01:03:54,083 was kind of old JavaScript, like jQuery 139 01:03:54,083 --> 01:03:56,583 and the stuff before that. 140 01:03:56,583 --> 01:03:58,416 And then for me, like live wire come 141 01:03:58,416 --> 01:03:59,125 around and I'm like, Oh, 142 01:03:59,333 --> 01:04:00,708 this is like life changing 143 01:04:00,750 --> 01:04:02,666 back to JavaScript land. 144 01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:03,208 Totally. 145 01:04:04,625 --> 01:04:06,250 So I guess my first question to you is 146 01:04:06,250 --> 01:04:07,208 like, if you're coming, 147 01:04:08,500 --> 01:04:09,250 you know, you're a brand 148 01:04:09,250 --> 01:04:10,750 new developer, you've never used inertia. 149 01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:12,625 Is it still pretty easy to get started 150 01:04:12,625 --> 01:04:13,416 with or do you still 151 01:04:13,416 --> 01:04:15,375 need to kind of know, um, 152 01:04:15,375 --> 01:04:17,291 sort of Vue or React or anything else? 153 01:04:17,625 --> 01:04:18,583 Uh, JavaScript land. 154 01:04:19,375 --> 01:04:19,708 Yeah. 155 01:04:19,708 --> 01:04:22,708 So this is kind of my, my vision for this 156 01:04:22,708 --> 01:04:26,583 is like pulling in JavaScript developers. 157 01:04:27,083 --> 01:04:29,458 So there's like a certain subset of 158 01:04:29,458 --> 01:04:30,875 people that will never 159 01:04:30,875 --> 01:04:32,875 use JavaScript on the front 160 01:04:32,875 --> 01:04:33,166 end. 161 01:04:34,041 --> 01:04:35,416 Like I'm not, I'm not going to ever try 162 01:04:35,416 --> 01:04:37,000 to convince them to do that. 163 01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,708 And for those people, we have a great, 164 01:04:40,708 --> 01:04:41,666 you know, first and a 165 01:04:41,666 --> 01:04:43,041 half party offering with 166 01:04:43,041 --> 01:04:44,000 live wire, which I think 167 01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:45,208 people should continue to use. 168 01:04:45,500 --> 01:04:48,041 What I am going after and what I think 169 01:04:48,041 --> 01:04:49,875 fusion goes after is the 170 01:04:49,875 --> 01:04:51,291 people that really, really, 171 01:04:51,291 --> 01:04:54,000 really want to use a Vue or React front 172 01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:55,958 end and are finding 173 01:04:55,958 --> 01:04:57,791 themselves ending up on the 174 01:04:57,791 --> 01:05:00,750 back end of those stacks and realizing, 175 01:05:01,125 --> 01:05:02,125 well, shoot, there's a 176 01:05:02,125 --> 01:05:03,083 lot more to do than just 177 01:05:03,125 --> 01:05:04,500 like the front end and 178 01:05:04,500 --> 01:05:05,625 then get over the network. 179 01:05:05,625 --> 01:05:06,375 And once you get over the 180 01:05:06,375 --> 01:05:08,125 network, what happens next? 181 01:05:08,458 --> 01:05:09,583 How do I talk to my database? 182 01:05:09,791 --> 01:05:10,708 How do I send an email? 183 01:05:11,083 --> 01:05:11,916 And it's like, Hey, we 184 01:05:11,916 --> 01:05:13,041 actually have an answer for that. 185 01:05:13,541 --> 01:05:15,541 And so if you're going to use, if you're 186 01:05:15,541 --> 01:05:17,416 going to use fusion, you 187 01:05:17,416 --> 01:05:18,666 absolutely need to know 188 01:05:18,666 --> 01:05:19,500 how to use one of 189 01:05:19,500 --> 01:05:20,375 these front end frameworks. 190 01:05:20,666 --> 01:05:24,875 I do think, um, that this lowers the bar 191 01:05:24,875 --> 01:05:26,125 in terms of like what you 192 01:05:26,125 --> 01:05:27,416 need to know about front 193 01:05:27,416 --> 01:05:29,416 end, um, because it does 194 01:05:29,416 --> 01:05:30,833 rely pretty heavily on inertia. 195 01:05:30,916 --> 01:05:32,208 So you don't have to figure out like 196 01:05:32,208 --> 01:05:33,500 client side routing and 197 01:05:33,500 --> 01:05:35,083 all of this like state stuff. 198 01:05:35,083 --> 01:05:36,916 You're like actually going to new pages. 199 01:05:37,125 --> 01:05:38,000 And so a lot of state 200 01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:39,500 related issues go away. 201 01:05:40,250 --> 01:05:43,625 Um, and the goal, the goal is to make it, 202 01:05:43,625 --> 01:05:47,000 um, approachable to people who are coming 203 01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:50,250 from the JavaScript community and want to 204 01:05:50,250 --> 01:05:51,708 start learning a little 205 01:05:51,708 --> 01:05:52,833 bit more about Laravel 206 01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:54,541 slash a little bit more about like 207 01:05:54,541 --> 01:05:56,041 backend development. 208 01:05:56,750 --> 01:05:57,708 Yeah. 209 01:05:57,791 --> 01:05:58,083 Yeah. 210 01:05:58,541 --> 01:06:00,958 The, so coming from like a front end 211 01:06:00,958 --> 01:06:02,916 developer, what does a 212 01:06:02,916 --> 01:06:03,875 front end developer typically 213 01:06:03,916 --> 01:06:06,666 use, um, on the backend? 214 01:06:06,875 --> 01:06:07,666 Is it just all sort 215 01:06:07,666 --> 01:06:08,708 of node on the backend? 216 01:06:08,708 --> 01:06:10,875 And, and so they've never had any 217 01:06:10,875 --> 01:06:11,916 experience with, I guess, 218 01:06:11,916 --> 01:06:13,166 Laravel or rails or anything. 219 01:06:13,916 --> 01:06:14,291 Yeah. 220 01:06:14,916 --> 01:06:17,375 I think that is, um, I think that is the 221 01:06:17,375 --> 01:06:18,583 meaty middle of the 222 01:06:18,583 --> 01:06:20,333 market is people will pick up 223 01:06:20,583 --> 01:06:21,791 react and then quickly 224 01:06:21,791 --> 01:06:23,916 pick up, you know, next JS. 225 01:06:24,916 --> 01:06:26,958 And you know, I'm not terribly familiar 226 01:06:26,958 --> 01:06:28,625 with next JS, but I do 227 01:06:28,625 --> 01:06:30,000 understand, you know, parts 228 01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:31,958 of it or, or they'll pick up remix, which 229 01:06:31,958 --> 01:06:33,666 is, um, you know, the, 230 01:06:33,666 --> 01:06:34,583 the one that got bought 231 01:06:34,583 --> 01:06:36,333 by Shopify, um, Kent C 232 01:06:36,333 --> 01:06:37,750 Dodds talks about remix a lot. 233 01:06:38,625 --> 01:06:41,625 And those have, um, those have really 234 01:06:41,625 --> 01:06:43,625 focused on starting at the 235 01:06:43,625 --> 01:06:44,541 front end and working their 236 01:06:44,541 --> 01:06:46,875 way back in terms of like the framework 237 01:06:46,875 --> 01:06:48,666 development where Laravel obviously 238 01:06:48,666 --> 01:06:49,708 started on the backend 239 01:06:49,708 --> 01:06:50,583 and now has a fully 240 01:06:50,583 --> 01:06:51,708 fleshed out front end story. 241 01:06:52,416 --> 01:06:53,416 They are taking it the 242 01:06:53,416 --> 01:06:55,083 opposite, uh, direction. 243 01:06:55,625 --> 01:06:58,166 I think remix explicitly claims to be a 244 01:06:58,166 --> 01:07:00,000 center stack framework. 245 01:07:00,375 --> 01:07:01,875 Um, I've heard them say that a lot. 246 01:07:02,125 --> 01:07:04,000 Um, these, you know, these meta 247 01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:05,416 frameworks will also claim 248 01:07:05,416 --> 01:07:07,000 to be full stack quite often. 249 01:07:07,458 --> 01:07:10,041 And I think it is, um, it's led to a 250 01:07:10,041 --> 01:07:11,041 little bit of confusion 251 01:07:11,041 --> 01:07:12,500 when you say Laravel is full 252 01:07:12,500 --> 01:07:15,625 stack and, uh, next JS is full stack. 253 01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:17,208 And so I think we've seen a lot of the 254 01:07:17,208 --> 01:07:18,583 discussion about Laravel go 255 01:07:18,583 --> 01:07:20,583 to batteries included because, 256 01:07:20,916 --> 01:07:23,458 um, Laravel has all of these things like 257 01:07:23,458 --> 01:07:25,458 for goodness sakes, authentication, like 258 01:07:25,875 --> 01:07:28,375 you can log in and next JS is like, you 259 01:07:28,375 --> 01:07:29,291 could use any one of 260 01:07:29,291 --> 01:07:30,666 these five different SAS tools 261 01:07:30,666 --> 01:07:31,875 for your auth layer. 262 01:07:31,875 --> 01:07:32,791 And it's like, no, that's 263 01:07:32,791 --> 01:07:34,208 not really batteries included. 264 01:07:34,208 --> 01:07:35,916 Like yes, you can run code on the 265 01:07:35,916 --> 01:07:37,291 backend, but where 266 01:07:37,291 --> 01:07:38,125 are all the components? 267 01:07:38,375 --> 01:07:39,333 Where's my queue driver? 268 01:07:39,333 --> 01:07:40,041 Where's my email? 269 01:07:40,041 --> 01:07:40,875 Where's my auth? 270 01:07:40,875 --> 01:07:42,375 Where's my everything else? 271 01:07:42,750 --> 01:07:45,125 Um, and so I think what a lot of next JS 272 01:07:45,125 --> 01:07:47,541 developers have found the position they 273 01:07:47,541 --> 01:07:48,000 have found themselves 274 01:07:48,208 --> 01:07:50,250 in is super solid on the 275 01:07:50,250 --> 01:07:51,666 front with react and everything. 276 01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:53,916 You cross over that network barrier, you 277 01:07:53,916 --> 01:07:55,000 get to the backend and 278 01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:56,250 then you're in like, uh, 279 01:07:56,875 --> 01:07:57,708 you're in jazz. 280 01:07:58,000 --> 01:07:58,541 It's just like, let's 281 01:07:58,541 --> 01:07:59,583 just make it up as we go. 282 01:07:59,791 --> 01:08:02,250 Grab this package, grab this ORM package 283 01:08:02,250 --> 01:08:04,375 and try to get them all to work together. 284 01:08:04,625 --> 01:08:07,083 And, and JavaScript developers claim, and 285 01:08:07,083 --> 01:08:07,791 I have no reason to 286 01:08:07,791 --> 01:08:08,833 doubt them that they love 287 01:08:08,833 --> 01:08:10,583 that they just love the freedom and 288 01:08:10,583 --> 01:08:12,125 flexibility of like, I'm 289 01:08:12,125 --> 01:08:13,291 going to build my own stack. 290 01:08:13,291 --> 01:08:15,958 That sounds exhausting to me. 291 01:08:16,416 --> 01:08:18,375 And so I am hoping, and I think it is 292 01:08:18,375 --> 01:08:20,208 true that there are, uh, 293 01:08:20,208 --> 01:08:21,625 there's a subset of JavaScript 294 01:08:21,708 --> 01:08:23,291 developers that will cross over that 295 01:08:23,291 --> 01:08:24,666 network gap and then be 296 01:08:24,666 --> 01:08:26,500 like, there's nothing here. 297 01:08:26,500 --> 01:08:28,208 I just want something here. 298 01:08:28,208 --> 01:08:29,500 And that's where fusion, 299 01:08:29,500 --> 01:08:30,833 uh, can come into play. 300 01:08:30,833 --> 01:08:32,666 Cause once you cross over, you have the 301 01:08:32,666 --> 01:08:34,791 entire power of Laravel on the back. 302 01:08:35,541 --> 01:08:35,791 Yeah. 303 01:08:36,416 --> 01:08:38,083 That's, uh, it's so, it's so much 304 01:08:38,083 --> 01:08:39,500 reminding me about like 305 01:08:39,500 --> 01:08:42,291 VM versus PhpStorm or, you 306 01:08:42,291 --> 01:08:44,333 know, Linux versus my Mac. 307 01:08:44,583 --> 01:08:46,500 It's just like, I don't, I'm gonna say, 308 01:08:46,500 --> 01:08:46,958 wait, I don't want to 309 01:08:46,958 --> 01:08:48,166 mess with none of that. 310 01:08:48,166 --> 01:08:49,916 I just want to, I just want to build an 311 01:08:49,916 --> 01:08:51,416 app and hopefully make 312 01:08:51,416 --> 01:08:52,416 money or publish it or 313 01:08:52,416 --> 01:08:52,791 do something. 314 01:08:53,333 --> 01:08:53,500 Yes. 315 01:08:54,125 --> 01:08:54,333 Yes. 316 01:08:54,708 --> 01:08:54,958 Yeah. 317 01:08:54,958 --> 01:08:56,541 The people that like the people that 318 01:08:56,541 --> 01:08:57,750 fiddle with their neovim 319 01:08:57,750 --> 01:08:59,458 configs for like hours on 320 01:08:59,458 --> 01:08:59,916 stream. 321 01:08:59,916 --> 01:09:01,458 I'm, I look at them and I 322 01:09:01,458 --> 01:09:02,583 think I'm glad you're happy. 323 01:09:03,208 --> 01:09:04,750 I do not want to do that. 324 01:09:05,208 --> 01:09:07,208 I never ever, ever, ever want to do that. 325 01:09:07,208 --> 01:09:07,875 And that's just cause 326 01:09:07,875 --> 01:09:08,750 we have different goals. 327 01:09:08,750 --> 01:09:10,500 Like I want, like you, I want to build 328 01:09:10,500 --> 01:09:11,458 something and publish it 329 01:09:11,458 --> 01:09:12,333 and hopefully make money. 330 01:09:12,500 --> 01:09:13,250 And then, you know, when 331 01:09:13,250 --> 01:09:14,583 your case go play golf, right? 332 01:09:14,583 --> 01:09:15,958 But like, I don't want to fiddle. 333 01:09:16,166 --> 01:09:17,000 I don't want to fiddle. 334 01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:17,541 I want to make. 335 01:09:17,791 --> 01:09:21,000 And so, um, this, and this is my kind of 336 01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:21,750 my perspective on 337 01:09:21,750 --> 01:09:24,000 everything is like this IE 338 01:09:24,125 --> 01:09:26,791 fusion will appeal to some people and it 339 01:09:26,791 --> 01:09:28,541 won't appeal to a lot of people. 340 01:09:28,541 --> 01:09:30,208 And I'm totally okay with that. 341 01:09:30,208 --> 01:09:32,458 I'm just building it for the people that 342 01:09:32,458 --> 01:09:34,666 like kind of operate like I do. 343 01:09:35,041 --> 01:09:35,458 Yeah. 344 01:09:35,458 --> 01:09:38,208 Are you, uh, mentally prepared for any 345 01:09:38,208 --> 01:09:39,083 backlash on hacker 346 01:09:39,083 --> 01:09:40,208 news and everywhere else? 347 01:09:41,500 --> 01:09:42,416 The backlash on Reddit 348 01:09:42,416 --> 01:09:44,416 was swift and severe. 349 01:09:45,250 --> 01:09:46,333 Um, the Vue JS 350 01:09:46,333 --> 01:09:48,458 subreddit did not appreciate it. 351 01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:49,916 Even the Laravel subreddit 352 01:09:49,916 --> 01:09:51,875 was like, this makes no sense. 353 01:09:51,875 --> 01:09:53,666 Why are we going back to 2004? 354 01:09:54,333 --> 01:09:57,500 Um, and I, it was, it was totally fine. 355 01:09:57,750 --> 01:10:00,125 I mean, I think a lot of those comments 356 01:10:00,125 --> 01:10:01,250 betrayed the fact that 357 01:10:01,250 --> 01:10:02,541 they didn't watch the video, 358 01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:03,958 which makes sense. 359 01:10:04,166 --> 01:10:06,333 Um, or they watched it and didn't 360 01:10:06,333 --> 01:10:07,541 understand what was happening. 361 01:10:07,916 --> 01:10:11,000 I think many people thought we are going 362 01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,041 back to like a PHP being 363 01:10:13,041 --> 01:10:14,416 the templating language 364 01:10:14,458 --> 01:10:15,500 for your front end. 365 01:10:15,500 --> 01:10:17,791 And we're like mixing in Vue somehow. 366 01:10:18,500 --> 01:10:19,375 Um, which is just, 367 01:10:19,375 --> 01:10:20,500 it's just not the case. 368 01:10:20,500 --> 01:10:21,791 Like you happen to be 369 01:10:21,791 --> 01:10:25,083 writing PHP in a Vue file. 370 01:10:25,708 --> 01:10:28,416 Um, but in the build process, we like, we 371 01:10:28,416 --> 01:10:29,250 extract it and we 372 01:10:29,250 --> 01:10:30,583 basically turn it into a 373 01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:31,125 controller. 374 01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,375 It's kind of like syntactic sugar over, 375 01:10:34,666 --> 01:10:37,666 um, controllers and routes and views. 376 01:10:37,666 --> 01:10:39,500 And you can just write it all in one 377 01:10:39,500 --> 01:10:40,708 place and we'll do a 378 01:10:40,708 --> 01:10:41,958 little bit of auto wiring to 379 01:10:41,958 --> 01:10:43,708 get that state into your Vue template. 380 01:10:44,125 --> 01:10:46,875 But it's not fundamentally the same as 381 01:10:46,875 --> 01:10:48,625 like PHP in 2004, but 382 01:10:48,625 --> 01:10:51,000 boy did they hate it. 383 01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:52,125 And you know, it was nice. 384 01:10:52,125 --> 01:10:54,333 I felt like, actually this 385 01:10:54,333 --> 01:10:55,500 doesn't affect me at all. 386 01:10:55,500 --> 01:10:57,083 You know, I'm somewhat a sensitive guy 387 01:10:57,083 --> 01:10:58,000 and I normally am 388 01:10:58,000 --> 01:10:59,458 like, feedback is sometimes 389 01:10:59,541 --> 01:11:00,500 difficult in this. 390 01:11:00,541 --> 01:11:01,083 I looked at it and I 391 01:11:01,083 --> 01:11:02,458 was like, don't care. 392 01:11:02,708 --> 01:11:03,500 Totally fine. 393 01:11:03,916 --> 01:11:05,500 So that was, yeah, it was fine. 394 01:11:05,500 --> 01:11:05,875 I didn't care. 395 01:11:07,625 --> 01:11:08,041 That's great. 396 01:11:08,583 --> 01:11:10,458 Um, and this brings up another question, 397 01:11:10,958 --> 01:11:12,791 uh, when, which I know 398 01:11:12,791 --> 01:11:13,916 this is kind of brand new 399 01:11:13,916 --> 01:11:15,541 and you're probably the only one that's 400 01:11:15,541 --> 01:11:16,750 actually using it right now. 401 01:11:17,291 --> 01:11:20,458 Um, how are you going to like the best 402 01:11:20,458 --> 01:11:21,166 way to structure 403 01:11:21,166 --> 01:11:22,833 functions, you know, inside the 404 01:11:22,833 --> 01:11:23,291 Vue file? 405 01:11:23,500 --> 01:11:25,458 Like, yeah, what happens when it gets 406 01:11:25,458 --> 01:11:27,000 just a bunch of stuff? 407 01:11:27,416 --> 01:11:29,625 Um, do you have any solutions there? 408 01:11:29,750 --> 01:11:31,500 Or have you any thoughts of that or? 409 01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:32,750 Yeah, I have. 410 01:11:32,750 --> 01:11:34,666 And that was one of the criticisms that 411 01:11:34,666 --> 01:11:35,583 came up on Reddit that I 412 01:11:35,583 --> 01:11:37,083 thought was well-founded. 413 01:11:37,083 --> 01:11:37,958 It's like, this is going 414 01:11:37,958 --> 01:11:40,166 to lead to massive files. 415 01:11:40,750 --> 01:11:43,000 Um, and I'm sensitive to that. 416 01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:47,750 And I think, um, my, like my principle on 417 01:11:47,750 --> 01:11:50,291 that is that this, uh, 418 01:11:50,291 --> 01:11:51,791 the block of PHP that 419 01:11:51,791 --> 01:11:54,791 you write in your Vue file is basically a 420 01:11:54,791 --> 01:11:56,291 controller, more or less. 421 01:11:56,416 --> 01:11:58,250 It like defines what comes down and 422 01:11:58,250 --> 01:11:59,791 defines what can be, you 423 01:11:59,791 --> 01:12:00,958 know, received back from 424 01:12:00,958 --> 01:12:01,500 the front end. 425 01:12:02,083 --> 01:12:04,333 And so my opinion on this is that the 426 01:12:04,333 --> 01:12:06,000 controller should be relatively thin. 427 01:12:06,541 --> 01:12:08,416 And so if we have, you know, the concept 428 01:12:08,416 --> 01:12:09,541 of publishing a podcast 429 01:12:09,541 --> 01:12:10,833 and you got to call out 430 01:12:10,833 --> 01:12:12,208 the transistor and you got to do some 431 01:12:12,208 --> 01:12:13,666 FFmpeg and you got to do 432 01:12:13,666 --> 01:12:16,250 some whatever, um, I think 433 01:12:16,250 --> 01:12:17,416 that should be wrapped up 434 01:12:17,416 --> 01:12:19,208 in some sort of, um, action. 435 01:12:19,458 --> 01:12:20,916 So like publish podcast action. 436 01:12:21,750 --> 01:12:24,708 And in your, um, in your PHP that you're 437 01:12:24,708 --> 01:12:26,583 writing in fusion, you're 438 01:12:26,583 --> 01:12:28,041 just basically receiving 439 01:12:28,041 --> 01:12:30,166 input from the front end and then handing 440 01:12:30,166 --> 01:12:31,416 it off to that action, 441 01:12:31,416 --> 01:12:33,333 um, to do all of like 442 01:12:33,333 --> 01:12:35,416 the hard work that, you know, requires 443 01:12:35,416 --> 01:12:37,291 the container and all of the other stuff. 444 01:12:37,625 --> 01:12:41,833 Um, and it basically ends up being a way 445 01:12:41,833 --> 01:12:44,083 to route, um, from the 446 01:12:44,083 --> 01:12:46,000 HTTP layer into the rest 447 01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:46,750 of your application. 448 01:12:47,583 --> 01:12:49,416 And so I think that's probably going to 449 01:12:49,416 --> 01:12:50,708 be the, the blessed 450 01:12:50,708 --> 01:12:52,291 path, which is like, Hey, 451 01:12:52,291 --> 01:12:56,000 y'all don't do everything in this one, 452 01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:57,125 like in the same way that 453 01:12:57,125 --> 01:12:58,291 you wouldn't do everything 454 01:12:58,291 --> 01:12:59,291 in a controller. 455 01:12:59,875 --> 01:13:02,750 Don't do everything in your, um, your 456 01:13:02,750 --> 01:13:04,083 fusion component here. 457 01:13:04,291 --> 01:13:05,500 And I think, I think that 458 01:13:05,500 --> 01:13:07,166 most people will get that. 459 01:13:07,166 --> 01:13:09,458 Of course people will write, you know, 460 01:13:09,458 --> 01:13:11,041 700 lines of PHP in a 461 01:13:11,041 --> 01:13:12,458 fusion component and it's 462 01:13:12,458 --> 01:13:14,625 going to be like, this is not ideal, but 463 01:13:14,625 --> 01:13:16,208 I think, I think it'll 464 01:13:16,208 --> 01:13:17,458 settle out pretty nicely. 465 01:13:18,458 --> 01:13:18,666 True. 466 01:13:19,083 --> 01:13:20,333 And I mean, I was just thinking about 467 01:13:20,333 --> 01:13:21,666 this while you were talking about that. 468 01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:23,833 One of the examples you showed was like 469 01:13:23,833 --> 01:13:27,041 class based, uh, PHP in the file. 470 01:13:27,333 --> 01:13:29,500 So in theory, if you do have a thousand 471 01:13:29,500 --> 01:13:30,750 lines of PHP there, you 472 01:13:30,750 --> 01:13:32,375 could, you know, if PHP 473 01:13:32,375 --> 01:13:33,625 store, whatever has auto complete, you 474 01:13:33,625 --> 01:13:34,500 can jump between your 475 01:13:34,500 --> 01:13:36,000 methods and for sure, it 476 01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:37,000 might not be too bad. 477 01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:37,375 Yeah. 478 01:13:37,625 --> 01:13:37,833 Totally. 479 01:13:38,166 --> 01:13:38,708 Totally agree. 480 01:13:38,916 --> 01:13:39,791 Thin controllers. 481 01:13:39,791 --> 01:13:41,375 Uh, you know, get that 482 01:13:41,375 --> 01:13:42,833 stuff away from all your files. 483 01:13:42,875 --> 01:13:43,500 Yeah. 484 01:13:43,500 --> 01:13:45,250 And all of the fusion stuff is resolved 485 01:13:45,250 --> 01:13:46,250 out of the containers, 486 01:13:46,250 --> 01:13:47,291 like all the method calls 487 01:13:47,416 --> 01:13:49,333 and so like, if you want to inject, you 488 01:13:49,333 --> 01:13:50,708 know, process podcast as 489 01:13:50,708 --> 01:13:51,916 a class, you can totally 490 01:13:51,916 --> 01:13:52,625 do that. 491 01:13:52,625 --> 01:13:54,583 And so I've tried to make it such that 492 01:13:54,583 --> 01:13:56,875 it's basically Laravel. 493 01:13:57,375 --> 01:13:59,583 Um, it's basically a Laravel controller, 494 01:13:59,583 --> 01:14:00,750 but with a little bit 495 01:14:00,750 --> 01:14:02,333 of extra magic on top. 496 01:14:02,333 --> 01:14:03,583 And so hopefully that's 497 01:14:03,583 --> 01:14:05,458 where people will land on it. 498 01:14:06,166 --> 01:14:06,583 Gotcha. 499 01:14:07,083 --> 01:14:08,250 The next question I 500 01:14:08,250 --> 01:14:09,541 have is what about testing? 501 01:14:09,750 --> 01:14:11,500 Like are you going to be able to use pest 502 01:14:11,500 --> 01:14:14,041 and PHP unit or can you 503 01:14:14,041 --> 01:14:15,416 somehow test the compiled 504 01:14:15,416 --> 01:14:15,708 file? 505 01:14:16,458 --> 01:14:18,000 I don't know how that's going to work or 506 01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:19,416 do you have thoughts? 507 01:14:19,625 --> 01:14:19,833 Yeah. 508 01:14:20,500 --> 01:14:20,583 Yeah. 509 01:14:21,416 --> 01:14:22,750 No, I have, I have a lot of thoughts. 510 01:14:23,125 --> 01:14:27,041 So as it, as it is being built, um, so 511 01:14:27,041 --> 01:14:28,583 like one of the great 512 01:14:28,583 --> 01:14:31,666 advantages I have over, um, 513 01:14:32,375 --> 01:14:36,083 over traditional PHP is I am guaranteed 514 01:14:36,083 --> 01:14:37,333 that there's going to be 515 01:14:37,333 --> 01:14:39,083 a build step because if 516 01:14:39,083 --> 01:14:40,333 you're using viewer react, 517 01:14:40,708 --> 01:14:42,041 you have to have a build step. 518 01:14:42,625 --> 01:14:44,791 And so I hook into that build step to do 519 01:14:44,791 --> 01:14:45,916 all of the fusion stuff. 520 01:14:46,500 --> 01:14:48,000 And at the end of the build step, what 521 01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:49,291 you end up with is a 522 01:14:49,291 --> 01:14:51,583 bunch of PHP classes, you 523 01:14:51,583 --> 01:14:53,083 know, existing on your desk. 524 01:14:53,541 --> 01:14:56,625 And so, um, from that perspective, 525 01:14:57,208 --> 01:14:59,166 testing is the exact same 526 01:14:59,166 --> 01:15:00,333 as it would be otherwise 527 01:15:00,791 --> 01:15:02,541 provided you run your build 528 01:15:02,541 --> 01:15:03,958 step before you run your tests. 529 01:15:04,333 --> 01:15:05,833 And so that's a little bit different. 530 01:15:06,083 --> 01:15:07,625 And there are some like niceties that I 531 01:15:07,625 --> 01:15:08,625 can add around that to 532 01:15:08,625 --> 01:15:09,625 ensure that the build step 533 01:15:09,666 --> 01:15:11,791 has been run before you run like a fusion 534 01:15:11,791 --> 01:15:13,041 test or something like that. 535 01:15:13,458 --> 01:15:15,500 But then at the end, you're basically, 536 01:15:15,500 --> 01:15:17,041 you can just hit an 537 01:15:17,041 --> 01:15:18,458 end point and assert that 538 01:15:18,458 --> 01:15:20,208 you get the right response back. 539 01:15:20,208 --> 01:15:22,291 And it becomes basically like testing, 540 01:15:22,625 --> 01:15:25,041 um, uh, an inertia app. 541 01:15:25,041 --> 01:15:26,416 So if you want to test the backend, you 542 01:15:26,416 --> 01:15:27,666 can hit the route and it 543 01:15:27,666 --> 01:15:28,708 will give you the stuff 544 01:15:28,708 --> 01:15:29,750 and you can assert about 545 01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:31,041 Jason and stuff like that. 546 01:15:31,208 --> 01:15:33,250 Um, and I can add some macros and stuff 547 01:15:33,250 --> 01:15:34,041 to make that easier. 548 01:15:34,541 --> 01:15:35,666 And then if you want to test the front 549 01:15:35,666 --> 01:15:36,666 end, it's the same as 550 01:15:36,666 --> 01:15:38,291 testing, uh, any JavaScript 551 01:15:38,708 --> 01:15:40,791 heavy front end, you got to, you got to 552 01:15:40,791 --> 01:15:41,875 pick some tool that 553 01:15:41,875 --> 01:15:43,750 presumably opens it in the 554 01:15:43,750 --> 01:15:46,041 browser and exercises that they are. 555 01:15:47,333 --> 01:15:47,916 Gotcha gotcha. 556 01:15:48,333 --> 01:15:48,708 Yeah. 557 01:15:48,708 --> 01:15:50,291 I just find that interesting cause like, 558 01:15:50,291 --> 01:15:52,125 you know, it, to me, 559 01:15:52,125 --> 01:15:53,000 it sort of comes back to 560 01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:55,291 like even like pastor PHP unit in, in 561 01:15:55,291 --> 01:15:56,375 just a standard straight 562 01:15:56,375 --> 01:15:57,500 level app with no JavaScript. 563 01:15:57,750 --> 01:15:59,833 A lot of times you'll want to, you know, 564 01:15:59,833 --> 01:16:00,958 reseed the database or, 565 01:16:00,958 --> 01:16:02,083 you know, dump the database 566 01:16:02,083 --> 01:16:03,166 before you even start 567 01:16:03,166 --> 01:16:04,791 your, your, your test. 568 01:16:05,041 --> 01:16:06,458 So it's kind of the same vibes, I guess. 569 01:16:06,875 --> 01:16:07,208 Yep. 570 01:16:07,875 --> 01:16:08,083 Totally. 571 01:16:08,291 --> 01:16:09,875 And the stuff that gets written to disc, 572 01:16:10,500 --> 01:16:13,083 um, contains no data contains. 573 01:16:13,333 --> 01:16:15,541 So it's not like we're doing something at 574 01:16:15,541 --> 01:16:17,333 build time that is, 575 01:16:17,333 --> 01:16:19,000 you know, dependent on 576 01:16:19,041 --> 01:16:20,750 local state or, and then 577 01:16:20,750 --> 01:16:21,916 you ship it and it's wrong. 578 01:16:22,125 --> 01:16:24,541 So it's like, we're basically just taking 579 01:16:24,541 --> 01:16:26,125 your PHP code, mucking 580 01:16:26,125 --> 01:16:26,958 around with it a little 581 01:16:26,958 --> 01:16:28,708 bit and turning it into a controller. 582 01:16:28,708 --> 01:16:31,916 And so that really simplifies the rest of 583 01:16:31,916 --> 01:16:33,375 how do I deploy to production? 584 01:16:33,583 --> 01:16:36,208 How do I test, um, the fact that we're 585 01:16:36,208 --> 01:16:37,291 doing this weird thing 586 01:16:37,291 --> 01:16:38,500 and turning it into a normal 587 01:16:38,500 --> 01:16:40,416 thing and then you just test the normal 588 01:16:40,416 --> 01:16:41,791 thing, which is quite nice. 589 01:16:42,458 --> 01:16:42,708 Nice. 590 01:16:42,916 --> 01:16:43,125 Nice. 591 01:16:43,125 --> 01:16:45,416 And I assume it's going to work fine on 592 01:16:45,416 --> 01:16:47,125 level cloud and pretty much any way. 593 01:16:47,625 --> 01:16:47,833 Yep. 594 01:16:48,291 --> 01:16:48,500 Yep. 595 01:16:48,541 --> 01:16:48,750 Totally. 596 01:16:49,166 --> 01:16:49,791 Nice. 597 01:16:50,041 --> 01:16:50,250 Nice. 598 01:16:50,458 --> 01:16:51,416 And all right. 599 01:16:51,625 --> 01:16:54,208 So from your original talk, you said on 600 01:16:54,208 --> 01:16:55,333 the roadmap you had 601 01:16:55,333 --> 01:16:56,791 react is, is that going to 602 01:16:56,791 --> 01:16:57,666 be ready for lunch? 603 01:16:58,291 --> 01:16:59,250 No, not for Friday. 604 01:16:59,500 --> 01:17:00,208 No, definitely not. 605 01:17:00,791 --> 01:17:01,000 Definitely. 606 01:17:01,083 --> 01:17:01,458 Definitely not. 607 01:17:03,041 --> 01:17:06,375 Um, I already have, so there's a Slack 608 01:17:06,375 --> 01:17:07,541 group that I started, 609 01:17:07,541 --> 01:17:10,083 um, that has like basically 610 01:17:10,083 --> 01:17:11,333 open source sponsors. 611 01:17:11,333 --> 01:17:13,000 You can come join the Slack group and, 612 01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:14,833 um, you might remember 613 01:17:14,833 --> 01:17:16,333 Miguel, Pierre for deer. 614 01:17:16,666 --> 01:17:18,458 I forget his last name, purple hair. 615 01:17:18,750 --> 01:17:19,625 One time almost bought the 616 01:17:19,625 --> 01:17:20,750 constitution and that guy. 617 01:17:20,750 --> 01:17:23,458 Um, he, uh, he's very, 618 01:17:23,458 --> 01:17:25,458 he's very good at react. 619 01:17:25,458 --> 01:17:26,750 And there's another guy in there called 620 01:17:26,750 --> 01:17:27,916 Nick who's also very 621 01:17:27,916 --> 01:17:28,625 good at react and they're 622 01:17:28,666 --> 01:17:31,375 already scheming about like, how do we, 623 01:17:31,375 --> 01:17:32,833 how do we do this in react? 624 01:17:33,125 --> 01:17:34,833 And so, you know, I was supposed to 625 01:17:34,833 --> 01:17:35,916 release it on Monday, 626 01:17:35,916 --> 01:17:37,500 got out over my skis as I'm 627 01:17:37,500 --> 01:17:40,708 want to do and didn't, but then I, um, 628 01:17:40,708 --> 01:17:42,833 added everybody in the backstage group. 629 01:17:42,833 --> 01:17:44,291 I added them to the repo cause I was 630 01:17:44,291 --> 01:17:46,000 like, Hey y'all, I messed up. 631 01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:46,875 I can't release it today. 632 01:17:46,875 --> 01:17:47,625 Let me just add you to the 633 01:17:47,625 --> 01:17:49,000 repo and you can poke around. 634 01:17:49,250 --> 01:17:50,666 And so they've already been in there, you 635 01:17:50,666 --> 01:17:51,375 know, poking around 636 01:17:51,375 --> 01:17:52,333 and trying to figure out 637 01:17:52,333 --> 01:17:54,500 like, Ooh, the more react 638 01:17:54,500 --> 01:17:56,208 way to do it would be this way. 639 01:17:56,208 --> 01:17:57,041 What do you think about this? 640 01:17:57,166 --> 01:17:58,541 And I'm like, that seems cool. 641 01:17:58,750 --> 01:17:59,375 Like keep going. 642 01:17:59,666 --> 01:18:02,375 So react will come soon, but it won't be, 643 01:18:02,375 --> 01:18:03,791 um, it won't be like 644 01:18:03,791 --> 01:18:05,666 in the next week or two. 645 01:18:06,333 --> 01:18:06,791 Gotcha. 646 01:18:06,791 --> 01:18:07,041 Gotcha. 647 01:18:07,583 --> 01:18:08,500 Um, all right. 648 01:18:08,500 --> 01:18:13,750 So next security, um, I assume it would 649 01:18:13,750 --> 01:18:15,083 be secure by default or 650 01:18:15,083 --> 01:18:16,666 is it gonna open up to, 651 01:18:17,625 --> 01:18:19,333 uh, if people that don't know what 652 01:18:19,333 --> 01:18:20,208 they're doing, is it 653 01:18:20,208 --> 01:18:21,833 possible to get hacked using 654 01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:22,208 this? 655 01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:25,250 And so, uh, I'll just say no, and then 656 01:18:25,250 --> 01:18:27,041 I'll go into full, more full answers. 657 01:18:27,041 --> 01:18:27,791 But if anybody clips 658 01:18:27,791 --> 01:18:29,583 it, no, not possible. 659 01:18:29,916 --> 01:18:32,791 Um, so I think the two vectors that would 660 01:18:32,791 --> 01:18:34,000 expose something is 661 01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:35,458 returning data over the 662 01:18:35,458 --> 01:18:37,333 wire that you didn't mean to return. 663 01:18:37,666 --> 01:18:40,541 Um, and what is going to happen there is 664 01:18:40,541 --> 01:18:41,250 like, let's say you 665 01:18:41,250 --> 01:18:42,708 return a model, right? 666 01:18:42,708 --> 01:18:43,625 So you return a model. 667 01:18:43,875 --> 01:18:46,000 Um, it's going to run through Laravel's 668 01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:48,625 typical, uh, model to array thing. 669 01:18:49,083 --> 01:18:51,500 And so, um, anything that, you know, I 670 01:18:51,500 --> 01:18:53,083 think Laravel has a pins 671 01:18:53,083 --> 01:18:54,708 hidden and then you can 672 01:18:54,708 --> 01:18:56,458 just completely change the two array. 673 01:18:56,958 --> 01:19:00,750 Um, so if that's the same as any regular 674 01:19:00,750 --> 01:19:02,458 Laravel response or any 675 01:19:02,458 --> 01:19:04,625 inertia passing down of props, 676 01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:06,958 whatever you send over the wire is going 677 01:19:06,958 --> 01:19:07,958 to go over the wire. 678 01:19:08,333 --> 01:19:11,541 Um, so you could use a, you know, you 679 01:19:11,541 --> 01:19:12,666 could use an API resort, 680 01:19:12,666 --> 01:19:14,458 like a resource and wrap 681 01:19:14,458 --> 01:19:15,250 up your models and 682 01:19:15,250 --> 01:19:16,708 resources or something like that. 683 01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:20,458 But there's no like, there's no safety 684 01:19:20,458 --> 01:19:22,166 for what you decide to 685 01:19:22,166 --> 01:19:23,375 return to the front end. 686 01:19:23,875 --> 01:19:25,083 Um, I don't think that's 687 01:19:25,083 --> 01:19:26,833 going to be too much of a problem. 688 01:19:26,833 --> 01:19:29,166 I mean, I guess if you return the user, I 689 01:19:29,166 --> 01:19:30,083 think actually password 690 01:19:30,083 --> 01:19:31,000 is in the hidden field 691 01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:31,708 by default. 692 01:19:31,708 --> 01:19:33,583 Of course it's B scripted, but I think in 693 01:19:33,583 --> 01:19:35,333 Laravel's default model, it's hidden. 694 01:19:35,333 --> 01:19:36,500 So you don't even get the encrypted 695 01:19:36,500 --> 01:19:39,041 password out or the hashed rather. 696 01:19:39,458 --> 01:19:40,791 Um, so that should be fine. 697 01:19:40,833 --> 01:19:43,416 The other vector that it exposes is it 698 01:19:43,416 --> 01:19:45,833 provides, um, it provides 699 01:19:45,833 --> 01:19:47,375 basically ingress points into 700 01:19:47,375 --> 01:19:48,666 your application, right? 701 01:19:48,666 --> 01:19:50,583 So you say like, Hey, I'm going to write 702 01:19:50,583 --> 01:19:52,166 this fusion, uh, 703 01:19:52,166 --> 01:19:54,208 component and here are the methods 704 01:19:54,208 --> 01:19:56,125 that I want to expose to the front end. 705 01:19:56,458 --> 01:19:58,541 Favorite, unfavorite, listen later, 706 01:19:58,541 --> 01:19:59,833 whatever on the podcast sense. 707 01:20:00,333 --> 01:20:01,500 Um, all of those 708 01:20:01,500 --> 01:20:03,791 become addressable by HTTP. 709 01:20:04,291 --> 01:20:07,333 So, um, you can, you know, if you were 710 01:20:07,333 --> 01:20:08,583 clever, you could watch 711 01:20:08,583 --> 01:20:09,583 when you hit the favorite 712 01:20:09,625 --> 01:20:10,291 button. 713 01:20:10,625 --> 01:20:12,291 You could watch the network and see how 714 01:20:12,291 --> 01:20:13,583 we're sending back like, 715 01:20:13,583 --> 01:20:14,583 Hey, target the favorite 716 01:20:14,625 --> 01:20:15,916 method and you could try 717 01:20:15,916 --> 01:20:16,833 to hit a different method. 718 01:20:17,125 --> 01:20:20,750 Now, when that request comes in, fusion 719 01:20:20,750 --> 01:20:21,916 will look and see like 720 01:20:21,916 --> 01:20:23,041 what method are they trying 721 01:20:23,041 --> 01:20:23,541 to hit. 722 01:20:23,791 --> 01:20:26,291 And then we will reconfirm that that 723 01:20:26,291 --> 01:20:28,916 method is supposed to be exposed. 724 01:20:29,458 --> 01:20:29,666 Right? 725 01:20:30,041 --> 01:20:32,416 And so as we're doing the build, we're, 726 01:20:32,416 --> 01:20:33,708 we're, uh, introspecting 727 01:20:33,708 --> 01:20:34,875 your PHP and figuring out 728 01:20:34,875 --> 01:20:36,500 what are all the exposed methods. 729 01:20:37,083 --> 01:20:38,791 And then we write those into the bundle 730 01:20:38,791 --> 01:20:39,916 so that view knows 731 01:20:39,916 --> 01:20:40,958 like, Hey, here's the list 732 01:20:40,958 --> 01:20:42,333 of exposed methods you can use. 733 01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:44,708 Um, of course somebody 734 01:20:44,708 --> 01:20:46,000 could just change that. 735 01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:49,375 And so we on the backend reconfirm, all 736 01:20:49,375 --> 01:20:49,875 right, they're trying to 737 01:20:49,875 --> 01:20:50,875 hit the favorite method. 738 01:20:51,208 --> 01:20:53,208 Let's go look up that class on disk and 739 01:20:53,208 --> 01:20:54,666 see if favorite is a 740 01:20:54,666 --> 01:20:56,041 publicly exposed method. 741 01:20:56,291 --> 01:20:58,083 If it's not, we'll just throw a four of 742 01:20:58,083 --> 01:21:00,250 four because it's like, well, is it here? 743 01:21:00,250 --> 01:21:00,833 Is it not? 744 01:21:00,833 --> 01:21:01,416 Who knows? 745 01:21:01,416 --> 01:21:02,583 But you can't touch it. 746 01:21:03,291 --> 01:21:05,250 I think those are the two vectors, um, 747 01:21:05,583 --> 01:21:06,833 that could be insecure. 748 01:21:07,041 --> 01:21:09,208 And I think they're pretty safe. 749 01:21:09,750 --> 01:21:11,416 Um, but of course if you find out that 750 01:21:11,416 --> 01:21:12,333 that is not true, Aaron 751 01:21:12,333 --> 01:21:13,416 at try hard studios, I 752 01:21:13,416 --> 01:21:14,541 would love to receive your email. 753 01:21:15,875 --> 01:21:16,375 Yeah. 754 01:21:16,625 --> 01:21:16,833 Yeah. 755 01:21:16,833 --> 01:21:18,541 Well, I mean, I always think of like 756 01:21:18,541 --> 01:21:21,333 people, uh, new 757 01:21:21,333 --> 01:21:22,958 developers opening up themselves to 758 01:21:22,958 --> 01:21:24,875 security issues when they think about it. 759 01:21:24,875 --> 01:21:26,500 And you know, you're just like, you just 760 01:21:26,500 --> 01:21:27,708 assume everything's fine. 761 01:21:27,708 --> 01:21:28,458 And you're like, Oh yeah. 762 01:21:28,458 --> 01:21:29,500 Well, I guess I really shouldn't have 763 01:21:29,500 --> 01:21:30,875 like exposed everybody's 764 01:21:30,875 --> 01:21:31,750 email addresses on this 765 01:21:31,750 --> 01:21:32,458 page or something. 766 01:21:32,708 --> 01:21:33,166 Yeah. 767 01:21:33,833 --> 01:21:34,583 Yeah. 768 01:21:34,583 --> 01:21:37,625 And I think that's one that's like, um, 769 01:21:38,708 --> 01:21:39,708 that that's, that's one 770 01:21:39,708 --> 01:21:41,250 area that is slightly different 771 01:21:41,666 --> 01:21:44,250 than what I understand live wire to be is 772 01:21:44,250 --> 01:21:45,666 that we're like, once 773 01:21:45,666 --> 01:21:46,666 we hand over the data 774 01:21:46,666 --> 01:21:49,291 to the front end, you basically never 775 01:21:49,291 --> 01:21:51,083 have to hand us that data back. 776 01:21:51,083 --> 01:21:53,291 And so we're not like, um, we're not 777 01:21:53,291 --> 01:21:55,166 worried about, um, the 778 01:21:55,166 --> 01:21:56,208 data on the front end being 779 01:21:56,291 --> 01:21:58,333 tinkered with and then handed back to the 780 01:21:58,333 --> 01:22:00,541 backend to do something nefarious with. 781 01:22:01,250 --> 01:22:03,250 We are more in, because we don't 782 01:22:03,250 --> 01:22:04,666 re-instantiate state 783 01:22:04,666 --> 01:22:06,291 from like the front end. 784 01:22:06,291 --> 01:22:06,500 Really. 785 01:22:06,875 --> 01:22:08,083 Um, we're more like a 786 01:22:08,083 --> 01:22:10,500 traditional request response. 787 01:22:10,958 --> 01:22:12,791 Um, you know, you're going to post to the 788 01:22:12,791 --> 01:22:14,666 backend and we'll, we'll do some stuff. 789 01:22:14,750 --> 01:22:16,833 Um, so that's, that's kind of, I'm 790 01:22:16,833 --> 01:22:17,958 thinking where the lines 791 01:22:17,958 --> 01:22:19,125 will be drawn, but yeah, I 792 01:22:19,125 --> 01:22:21,541 definitely want to try to avoid, uh, foot 793 01:22:21,541 --> 01:22:23,083 guns as much as possible. 794 01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:24,625 Gotcha. 795 01:22:25,416 --> 01:22:25,875 All right. 796 01:22:25,875 --> 01:22:28,166 Next on my list, something else you 797 01:22:28,166 --> 01:22:29,416 mentioned may be coming 798 01:22:29,416 --> 01:22:31,041 actions per component. 799 01:22:31,416 --> 01:22:32,041 Hmm. 800 01:22:33,458 --> 01:22:33,750 Interesting. 801 01:22:34,541 --> 01:22:34,750 Interesting. 802 01:22:34,833 --> 01:22:38,041 So here's the, um, the setup right now is 803 01:22:38,041 --> 01:22:39,166 that, um, you can 804 01:22:39,166 --> 01:22:40,708 have a PHP block in your, 805 01:22:40,875 --> 01:22:43,875 um, in your page, like in inertia 806 01:22:43,875 --> 01:22:45,500 parlance, like you have a 807 01:22:45,500 --> 01:22:47,041 page and that like maps to 808 01:22:47,041 --> 01:22:49,791 a URL and the, you know, then inside of 809 01:22:49,791 --> 01:22:50,500 that page, you've got 810 01:22:50,500 --> 01:22:51,666 dozens of, you know, other 811 01:22:51,666 --> 01:22:53,041 view components or whatever. 812 01:22:53,833 --> 01:22:54,750 Right now you can write 813 01:22:54,750 --> 01:22:56,333 PHP at the page level. 814 01:22:56,833 --> 01:22:58,250 And so that would be like, you know, 815 01:22:58,250 --> 01:23:00,375 podcasts slash index 816 01:23:00,375 --> 01:23:01,375 or something, you know? 817 01:23:01,875 --> 01:23:04,083 Um, but you cannot write PHP at the 818 01:23:04,083 --> 01:23:05,250 component level, which 819 01:23:05,250 --> 01:23:07,916 would be like a podcast row dot 820 01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:09,416 view or something like that. 821 01:23:09,666 --> 01:23:10,666 And I think it would be 822 01:23:10,666 --> 01:23:11,833 nice to be able to do that. 823 01:23:12,041 --> 01:23:13,500 So right now what you would have to do is 824 01:23:13,500 --> 01:23:14,958 emit events to the 825 01:23:14,958 --> 01:23:16,250 page level and then call, 826 01:23:16,625 --> 01:23:18,416 you know, do your HTTP call there, which 827 01:23:18,416 --> 01:23:20,500 is a totally normal thing to do. 828 01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:23,625 Um, events up props down very normal, but 829 01:23:23,625 --> 01:23:24,125 I think it would be 830 01:23:24,125 --> 01:23:25,416 fun and potentially very 831 01:23:25,416 --> 01:23:28,500 powerful to have each view component be 832 01:23:28,500 --> 01:23:30,166 able to define basically 833 01:23:30,166 --> 01:23:32,500 an API route or two that 834 01:23:32,500 --> 01:23:33,666 you could do stuff with 835 01:23:33,666 --> 01:23:35,500 at the component level. 836 01:23:36,166 --> 01:23:38,166 Um, and I think that would simplify, um, 837 01:23:38,166 --> 01:23:39,666 some of this like, uh, 838 01:23:39,666 --> 01:23:41,333 cross component communication, 839 01:23:41,625 --> 01:23:43,833 which always gets super hairy in, in any 840 01:23:43,833 --> 01:23:45,000 language, in any framework. 841 01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:47,000 It's like, how do I speak to my parent 842 01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:48,833 component and my sibling components? 843 01:23:48,833 --> 01:23:50,750 It's like, oh, that's kind of sucks. 844 01:23:50,750 --> 01:23:51,166 You have to write an 845 01:23:51,166 --> 01:23:52,208 event bus or something. 846 01:23:52,416 --> 01:23:54,000 Um, so I think that is one 847 01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:55,333 that could be really powerful. 848 01:23:55,333 --> 01:23:57,541 I don't know that state will come down 849 01:23:57,541 --> 01:23:59,250 into the component, uh, 850 01:23:59,250 --> 01:24:01,458 level because I'm not entirely 851 01:24:01,541 --> 01:24:03,666 sure how that would even work, but I do 852 01:24:03,666 --> 01:24:04,833 think having like API 853 01:24:04,833 --> 01:24:06,333 endpoints for your individual 854 01:24:06,375 --> 01:24:07,916 components would be kind of awesome. 855 01:24:09,333 --> 01:24:09,541 Yeah. 856 01:24:09,875 --> 01:24:10,041 Yeah. 857 01:24:10,041 --> 01:24:11,416 Which I know this is version one, you 858 01:24:11,416 --> 01:24:13,000 know, you want to, uh, I 859 01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:14,166 assume once you actually 860 01:24:14,208 --> 01:24:15,625 publish it, people are going to come to 861 01:24:15,625 --> 01:24:16,833 you with both pull 862 01:24:16,833 --> 01:24:18,125 requests and tons of ideas 863 01:24:18,125 --> 01:24:19,833 that you probably didn't think about. 864 01:24:19,833 --> 01:24:24,291 Keep you busy for a while. 865 01:24:24,291 --> 01:24:24,875 All right. 866 01:24:25,250 --> 01:24:26,458 So tolling tolling is 867 01:24:26,458 --> 01:24:27,625 my last one on my list. 868 01:24:28,041 --> 01:24:30,083 Um, what, what, what's missing, I guess 869 01:24:30,083 --> 01:24:31,750 tolling was just sort 870 01:24:31,750 --> 01:24:33,500 of the IDEs or more. 871 01:24:34,083 --> 01:24:34,375 Yeah. 872 01:24:34,666 --> 01:24:36,875 So, um, there's, there's a little bit of 873 01:24:36,875 --> 01:24:38,458 IDE love that needs to happen. 874 01:24:38,791 --> 01:24:41,666 Um, so right now you open, you know, 875 01:24:42,375 --> 01:24:44,875 podcast.vue, podcast.vue. 876 01:24:45,166 --> 01:24:47,458 Um, and you can write a PHP block. 877 01:24:47,458 --> 01:24:50,666 You can just say PHP opening tag is PHP 878 01:24:50,666 --> 01:24:52,458 closing tag is PHP, just 879 01:24:52,458 --> 01:24:53,791 like an XML tag, not like 880 01:24:53,833 --> 01:24:54,666 the, the one we're 881 01:24:54,666 --> 01:24:55,833 used to as PHP developers. 882 01:24:56,208 --> 01:24:59,500 Um, and in PHP storm, you can configure 883 01:24:59,500 --> 01:25:01,250 what is called a language injection. 884 01:25:01,666 --> 01:25:03,083 And so you can tell PHP storm, Hey, 885 01:25:03,083 --> 01:25:04,458 anytime you see this XML 886 01:25:04,458 --> 01:25:06,750 tag, which is just PHP, um, 887 01:25:07,041 --> 01:25:10,750 inject the, uh, PHP language that gives 888 01:25:10,750 --> 01:25:11,833 you syntax highlighting. 889 01:25:12,250 --> 01:25:14,250 That gives you a little bit of like, um, 890 01:25:14,541 --> 01:25:16,000 a little bit of help. 891 01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:19,083 What it doesn't know is it doesn't know 892 01:25:19,083 --> 01:25:19,916 that you are in the 893 01:25:19,916 --> 01:25:21,625 context of a Laravel application. 894 01:25:22,416 --> 01:25:23,583 And so it doesn't look at your 895 01:25:23,583 --> 01:25:26,708 composer.json, your class map autoloader. 896 01:25:26,708 --> 01:25:28,125 It doesn't look at any of that. 897 01:25:28,125 --> 01:25:29,708 And so you're still kind of in the wild, 898 01:25:29,708 --> 01:25:30,916 wild West in terms of 899 01:25:30,916 --> 01:25:32,916 like, I want to, you know, 900 01:25:33,083 --> 01:25:34,416 use the auth facade. 901 01:25:34,708 --> 01:25:36,083 It's not going to say like, Hey, let me 902 01:25:36,083 --> 01:25:37,958 just auto import that for you. 903 01:25:37,958 --> 01:25:38,833 It's like, Oh shoot, I 904 01:25:38,833 --> 01:25:39,916 got to do that manually. 905 01:25:40,458 --> 01:25:43,625 Um, fortunately, Taylor put me in touch 906 01:25:43,625 --> 01:25:44,541 with somebody at JIT 907 01:25:44,541 --> 01:25:46,625 brains and they are bouncing 908 01:25:46,708 --> 01:25:47,500 around internally. 909 01:25:48,041 --> 01:25:49,416 There's like four or five people on the 910 01:25:49,416 --> 01:25:50,916 email now, um, trying 911 01:25:50,916 --> 01:25:51,916 to figure out like, who's 912 01:25:51,958 --> 01:25:54,583 the right person to talk to about making 913 01:25:54,583 --> 01:25:56,541 PHP storm aware that 914 01:25:56,541 --> 01:25:58,333 this is not just injected 915 01:25:58,500 --> 01:25:59,041 PHP. 916 01:25:59,291 --> 01:26:01,708 It's like full application PHP. 917 01:26:02,083 --> 01:26:03,541 Go look at the autoloader, 918 01:26:03,541 --> 01:26:04,833 figure out what classes exist. 919 01:26:05,375 --> 01:26:06,791 Um, so I am hopeful that 920 01:26:06,791 --> 01:26:08,250 that will be coming soon. 921 01:26:08,833 --> 01:26:10,625 Fortunately, it's not like it's a new 922 01:26:10,625 --> 01:26:12,000 language or anything. 923 01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:14,083 It's not like I've invented new syntax. 924 01:26:14,416 --> 01:26:16,250 It's just the exact same language in a 925 01:26:16,250 --> 01:26:18,000 different place that we're not used to. 926 01:26:18,375 --> 01:26:19,666 So I'm hoping that there's some little 927 01:26:19,666 --> 01:26:20,916 code path inside of 928 01:26:20,916 --> 01:26:22,291 that, you know, jet brains, 929 01:26:22,625 --> 01:26:24,833 Java monstrosity that they can just be 930 01:26:24,833 --> 01:26:26,375 like, yeah, that's, that's real PHP. 931 01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:28,500 Um, in terms of VS code, 932 01:26:28,500 --> 01:26:30,708 um, not something I use. 933 01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:33,916 So I don't really know Miguel again, has 934 01:26:33,916 --> 01:26:34,875 already figured out how 935 01:26:34,875 --> 01:26:37,375 to do like, um, uh, tagged 936 01:26:37,458 --> 01:26:39,000 template literal, which is like a 937 01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:40,541 JavaScript thing and tag 938 01:26:40,541 --> 01:26:42,458 it with PHP and then it will 939 01:26:42,458 --> 01:26:44,458 inject PHP highlighting into there. 940 01:26:44,833 --> 01:26:47,541 Um, but I imagine, uh, obviously VS code 941 01:26:47,541 --> 01:26:48,666 is much more open 942 01:26:48,666 --> 01:26:50,416 source, um, than jet brains 943 01:26:50,625 --> 01:26:50,791 is. 944 01:26:50,791 --> 01:26:52,500 And so I imagine people will figure that 945 01:26:52,500 --> 01:26:53,583 part out pretty quickly. 946 01:26:53,958 --> 01:26:55,208 Yeah. 947 01:26:55,208 --> 01:26:57,083 The, I think I did see a tweet actually 948 01:26:57,083 --> 01:26:58,958 speaking of jet brains of 949 01:26:58,958 --> 01:27:00,875 the Laravel idea, the guy 950 01:27:00,875 --> 01:27:02,333 that creates the Laravel idea package. 951 01:27:02,708 --> 01:27:02,833 Yeah. 952 01:27:02,833 --> 01:27:04,125 And he was going to add support for it. 953 01:27:04,125 --> 01:27:04,250 Yeah. 954 01:27:04,250 --> 01:27:05,083 He said something like, Oh, 955 01:27:05,083 --> 01:27:06,125 it looks like I got work to do. 956 01:27:06,125 --> 01:27:06,958 And it's like, Oh, cool. 957 01:27:07,166 --> 01:27:07,541 Thanks guy. 958 01:27:07,916 --> 01:27:09,000 I'm a paying, I'm a paying 959 01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:10,250 Laravel idea subscribers. 960 01:27:10,708 --> 01:27:11,041 Thank you. 961 01:27:11,041 --> 01:27:11,958 I don't know who it is, but 962 01:27:11,958 --> 01:27:12,958 thank you for all your work. 963 01:27:12,958 --> 01:27:13,583 It's incredible. 964 01:27:14,458 --> 01:27:14,708 Yes. 965 01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:15,208 Yeah. 966 01:27:15,416 --> 01:27:16,416 I think that's a must 967 01:27:16,416 --> 01:27:18,333 have, uh, for me, okay. 968 01:27:18,583 --> 01:27:19,500 You got to have that. 969 01:27:19,958 --> 01:27:20,166 Yeah. 970 01:27:20,708 --> 01:27:23,500 Um, I think that's all my questions on, 971 01:27:23,500 --> 01:27:26,541 on, um, on this, um, fusion. 972 01:27:26,916 --> 01:27:27,958 So what did I miss? 973 01:27:28,166 --> 01:27:30,291 Anything else you want to talk about for 974 01:27:30,291 --> 01:27:31,791 their launch or anything 975 01:27:31,791 --> 01:27:32,875 that I may have missed? 976 01:27:33,333 --> 01:27:34,416 No, I don't think so. 977 01:27:34,750 --> 01:27:36,125 Um, I will, I will go back 978 01:27:36,125 --> 01:27:38,166 again to like, what is the goal? 979 01:27:38,166 --> 01:27:39,000 What is the vision? 980 01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:40,041 And the vision is to pull 981 01:27:40,041 --> 01:27:41,791 people into the Laravel ecosystem. 982 01:27:42,500 --> 01:27:45,375 Um, so that is, that is my hope is that 983 01:27:45,375 --> 01:27:47,041 we can continue to be, 984 01:27:47,500 --> 01:27:48,958 um, we can continue to 985 01:27:48,958 --> 01:27:51,000 be a port in the storm for people who are 986 01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:51,833 like, boy, web 987 01:27:51,833 --> 01:27:53,166 development has gotten complicated. 988 01:27:53,708 --> 01:27:57,000 My hope is that people will, um, put down 989 01:27:57,000 --> 01:28:00,000 their PHP preconceived notions, come over 990 01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:02,708 to our side, realize that, Hey, we've got 991 01:28:02,708 --> 01:28:03,833 basically everything 992 01:28:03,833 --> 01:28:04,666 you would ever need to 993 01:28:04,750 --> 01:28:06,416 build a full honest to 994 01:28:06,416 --> 01:28:07,333 goodness SAS application. 995 01:28:08,250 --> 01:28:11,416 Um, and hopefully, um, fusion can help 996 01:28:11,416 --> 01:28:13,791 lower the bar to get some 997 01:28:13,791 --> 01:28:16,250 of those, uh, very, very 998 01:28:16,250 --> 01:28:18,500 intelligent, very productive people over 999 01:28:18,500 --> 01:28:20,375 and have them use what I 1000 01:28:20,375 --> 01:28:22,000 think is a better backend. 1001 01:28:22,291 --> 01:28:23,916 That is, that is my hope. 1002 01:28:25,125 --> 01:28:25,541 Agreed. 1003 01:28:25,541 --> 01:28:25,958 Agreed. 1004 01:28:26,375 --> 01:28:29,791 Um, I love how Laravel is pushing, you 1005 01:28:29,791 --> 01:28:31,375 know, pushing the bar forward. 1006 01:28:31,500 --> 01:28:33,875 Um, you know, from the old days, I know 1007 01:28:33,875 --> 01:28:36,125 you're young man compared to me, but you 1008 01:28:36,166 --> 01:28:38,541 know, in my days, it, every framework 1009 01:28:38,541 --> 01:28:39,666 only stuck with what 1010 01:28:39,666 --> 01:28:41,166 they were like, it was only 1011 01:28:41,166 --> 01:28:43,625 PHP, like you did not branch out into CSS 1012 01:28:43,625 --> 01:28:45,083 or any of these things. 1013 01:28:45,083 --> 01:28:46,958 And I like how we've, you know, as a 1014 01:28:46,958 --> 01:28:47,750 community, we've sort of 1015 01:28:47,750 --> 01:28:49,625 embraced this that it's not 1016 01:28:49,625 --> 01:28:50,958 just PHP, like we're 1017 01:28:50,958 --> 01:28:52,458 having a full stack here. 1018 01:28:52,458 --> 01:28:54,166 We need to be able to support everything. 1019 01:28:54,833 --> 01:28:55,916 So I think it's awesome. 1020 01:28:55,916 --> 01:28:57,541 And I really like where the future's 1021 01:28:57,541 --> 01:28:59,625 headed for Laravel and with that mindset. 1022 01:29:00,166 --> 01:29:00,500 Thanks. 1023 01:29:00,500 --> 01:29:02,291 Thanks to our pragmatic, uh, benevolent 1024 01:29:02,291 --> 01:29:04,208 dictator Taylor for, for 1025 01:29:04,208 --> 01:29:05,416 leading the charge on that. 1026 01:29:05,958 --> 01:29:06,375 Exactly. 1027 01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:07,208 Exactly. 1028 01:29:08,125 --> 01:29:08,541 All right. 1029 01:29:08,541 --> 01:29:10,041 Well, Aaron, I want to thank you again 1030 01:29:10,041 --> 01:29:11,791 for taking a few minutes 1031 01:29:11,791 --> 01:29:13,125 here to talk about fusion 1032 01:29:13,458 --> 01:29:16,000 and, uh, good luck on the release and we 1033 01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:17,000 will do our best to 1034 01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:18,208 get the word out for you. 1035 01:29:18,500 --> 01:29:18,708 Thanks. 1036 01:29:18,750 --> 01:29:20,500 Also, if this release, if this podcast 1037 01:29:20,500 --> 01:29:21,666 releases on Friday, 1038 01:29:21,875 --> 01:29:23,333 when fusion releases and 1039 01:29:23,333 --> 01:29:25,083 you're listening to it, today is my 1040 01:29:25,083 --> 01:29:26,666 birthday, not today, but like when you're 1041 01:29:26,666 --> 01:29:27,750 listening to it today, 1042 01:29:27,750 --> 01:29:28,958 Friday is my birthday. 1043 01:29:29,208 --> 01:29:31,000 So please tell me happy birthday. 1044 01:29:32,041 --> 01:29:32,500 Yes. 1045 01:29:32,500 --> 01:29:32,958 Happy birthday. 1046 01:29:33,416 --> 01:29:36,041 And, um, thank you for everything you do 1047 01:29:36,041 --> 01:29:37,000 for, um, the 1048 01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:38,000 community and for what you're 1049 01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:39,583 building and just for being a 1050 01:29:39,583 --> 01:29:42,000 good human in our ecosystem. 1051 01:29:42,583 --> 01:29:43,708 So we appreciate you. 1052 01:29:43,708 --> 01:29:44,125 Thank you. 1053 01:29:44,125 --> 01:29:44,833 That's very nice. 1054 01:29:44,833 --> 01:29:46,166 It's always a joy to be here. 1055 01:29:46,666 --> 01:29:48,916 Um, I look forward to the release. 1056 01:29:48,916 --> 01:29:49,916 Hopefully it goes well.